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What exactly makes you think they couldn't?

Read the monomyth my friend

''Thus was born Sithis, who was the sum of all the limitations Anuiel would utilize to ponder himself. Anuiel, who was the soul of all things, therefore became many things, and this interplay was and is the Aurbis.'' Because Tiber is the only one to ever having stated as having this ability. You yourself said that God Talos and General Talos couldn't do this. Neither could ALMSIVI or any of the others.

Aurbis and Aurbis UESP. So either you are wrong or these pages are wrong.

No, an avatar of Lorkhan is an avatar... Do I really have to do this?

av·a·tar
[av-uh-tahr, av-uh-tahr] Show IPA noun


 * 1) Hindu Mythology . the descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god.

"We curse you, noisy Lorkhaj, to walk Nirni for many phases."

-Words of Clan Mother Ahnissi

^this is a Shezarrine Yes and those phases, because they are as you said avatars or Lorkhan, act like Lorkhan. They have the similar characteristics as Lorkhan. The LD hasn't shown any of Lorkhan's characteristics.

Oh yay the whole Dragonblooded thing again. I hope you know that Dragonblooded ≠ Dragonborn idea is complete fanon. I dare you to find one damn reference that says otherwise. While you do that I'll sit here and quote the Book of the Dragonborn.

Those blessed by Akatosh with "the dragon blood" became known more simply as Dragonborn.'

Because of this connection with the Emperors, however, the other significance of the Dragonborn has been obscured and largely forgotten by all but scholars and those of us dedicated to the service of the blessed Talos, Who Was Tiber Septim. Very few realize that being Dragonborn is not a simple matter of heredity - being the blessing of Akatosh Himself.

The line of Septims have all been Dragonborn, of course, which is one reason the simplistic notion of it being hereditary has become so commonplace. And I will spimply point to Alessia. She was Dragonblooded but wasn't a true Dragonborn. She was blessed by Akatosh with the dragon blood and Bethesda themselves have stated that she wasn't a dragonborn. Explain that. Explain why only Tiber has even used the thu'um, why non of his descendants have ever used the voice? Why Tiber was the only one formally acknowledged as a Dragonborn by the Greybeards? Explain that. Extremely likely? What exactly makes you think that, especially seeing that the only people we know who have been given that title by Shezarrines, and one Shezarrine was literally named Ysmir. I'll go by facts, thank you very much. You really think that the Nords worshiped Ysmir despite there not being a Ysmir? No, there must have been a first that made the Nords start worshipping those Nordic Heroes that were granted the title Ysmir. He was named Ysmir because his real name was forgotten. Ysmir is a title, not a name.

O RLY Your point is? That is in the late Second Era, Atmora was gone by that time. That is likely a representation of General Talos, or God Talos. Its not a literal King of Atmora named Talos, since Atmora was a wasteland by that time. And even if it was what is your point? The Last Dragonborn was also given the Stormcrown, meaning he could also be called Talos. So what if some King of tamora was given that name as well. It doesn't make my point any less valid.

Talos the God isn't an avatar of Lorkhan, Talos is a mantler (there is a difference). The Talos on the list is referring to the Stormcrown. Then what Ysmir does that refer to? Hmm? The Pelinal Ysmir? Then why aren't the other Pelinal incarnations listed?

Wulfharth was Hjalti before Hjalti was Ysmir...

How do you actually know that Hjalti is a dragonborn? It is heavily implied in the Arcturian Heresy that Hjalti himself was unable to use the Thu'um.

Hjalti however was a Shezarrine, a mortal representation of Lorkhan, Wulfharth was also a mortal representation of Lorkhan, Arctus was also a mortal representation of Lorkhan, Talos mantled Lorkhan. Just about everything about Talos' apotheosis had to deal with Lorkhan.

Let me ask you something? Who would be more likely to be mistaken for another;

Two Dragonborns, the Dovahkiin and Martin Septim.

Two Shezarrines, avatars of the same god (and in a sense, the same person). Hjalti was Dragonborn because his brother also had dragonblood. Meaning one of their parents likely had Dragonblood. Unless Akatosh blessed them both individually, which is unlikely.

Wulfarth taught Hjalti the way of the voice. Likely in the same manner that the Greybeards taught the LD some words in High Hrogthgar. You know, show him the words then let him absorb the knowledge. I've read the I don't see where you claim that it implies the Hjalti couldn't use the Thu'um, quote please.

I am not denying that. I don't know why you keep brining it up.

It was a ghost that confused him, a ghost that was obviously not in his right mind. He still though that they were in the Second Era fighting the Reachmen. It is perfectly understandable that he could confuse two dragonborns. Also if you truly think that the LD is an avatar of Lorkhan then show some connection that he has with the dead god? The some of the other Shezarrines have obvious connections. Also like I said Martin wasn't a true dragonborn. He didn't have the soul of a dragon like the LD does.