The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log February 2019


 * 9:24: Atvelonis : We should probably do our first topic now
 * 9:24: Dabarkspawn : +1
 * 9:24: Atvelonis : someone check what it is
 * 9:24: Atvelonis : think it’s jauffre
 * 9:24: CatholicPrincess15 : Me too.
 * 9:25: Atvelonis : somerhing about cc
 * 9:25: Dabarkspawn : Creation Club content. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 20:56, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * 9:25: Dabarkspawn : Dragon Shouts content. CatholicPrincess15
 * 9:25: Dabarkspawn : Autocorrect search engine. CatholicPrincess15
 * 9:25: The Beautiful Princess Ashley : dammit, the word princess pings me
 * 9:25: The Great Laggi : Oof
 * 9:26: Dabarkspawn : oops, sorry!
 * 9:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley : it's ok
 * 9:26: Atvelonis : Jauffre you can go ahead when you’re ready
 * 9:26: Blademaster Jauffre : Whoops, was gone for a sec.
 * 9:26: Blademaster Jauffre : It's not that important a topic, but still
 * 9:26: Blademaster Jauffre : Like, the Creation Club content page we have right now, imo, it's becoming a little bit too small for the amount of content that CC is adding - especially with some of the later ones, such as Four Seasons and Civil War Champions.
 * 9:28: The Great Laggi : I wish we could type as fast as we can read.
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 * 9:29: Blademaster Jauffre : So what I'm suggesting is that we rework Creation Club content into similar pages like we have for TES IV's expansions, like Horse Armor (heh), or Mehrunes' Razor.
 * 9:29: Blademaster Jauffre : Just because of the amount of content that's being added to the CC with new additions.
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 * 9:29: Blademaster Jauffre : If that makes sense?
 * 9:29: Atvelonis : I understand
 * 9:29: CatholicPrincess15 : ^
 * 9:30: Atvelonis : an administrative concern: voting on this would overrule a precious moot decision, which isn’t allowed
 * 9:30: Atvelonis : i don’t have the archive in front of me
 * 9:30: Blademaster Jauffre : Really?
 * 9:30: Atvelonis : but if you search for creation club it’s there
 * 9:30: Atvelonis : yes someifme late 2017
 * 9:30: Atvelonis : sometime
 * 9:31: Blademaster Jauffre : I saw CC page was created in october 2017
 * 9:31: Atvelonis : The thing we agreed upon was to document it all on a single page
 * 9:31: Blademaster Jauffre : But couldn't find anything on it in the september Moot log
 * 9:31: Blademaster Jauffre : I'll check if it may've been decided before that time
 * 9:32: Dabarkspawn : TIL: moot decisions are cast in ebony
 * 9:32: Atvelonis : I found it
 * 9:32: Atvelonis : october
 * 9:32: Atvelonis : The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/October 2017?useskin=oasis
 * 9:32: TinyClayMan : Should activate Kagrenac Tools Directive
 * 9:33: Blademaster Jauffre : Ah
 * 9:33: Atvelonis : I’m not necessarily opposed to the idea of slightly reworking our system
 * 9:33: Atvelonis : however
 * 9:33: Atvelonis : we do not have the resources to document cc in full
 * 9:33: Atvelonis : like, iirc the most recent batch of cc stuff was out for about a month before anyone put it on the page at all
 * 9:33: Atvelonis : jusr descriptions etc
 * 9:33: Atvelonis : and that person was meee
 * 9:33: Atvelonis : as it stands its kind of impractical to buy all these mods and do quest walkthroughs etc
 * 9:35: Rupuzioks : in my opinion, the best solution would be create separate pages with "\" sign, so it will technically will be on the same page
 * 9:35: Dabarkspawn : Like ^^
 * 9:35: Atvelonis : Subpages, that’s a possibility...
 * 9:35: Rupuzioks : if it comes to that
 * 9:36: Atvelonis : still it would require us to actually buy cc content and documents it
 * 9:36: Atvelonis : brb
 * 9:37: Rupuzioks : yes, and I think that's the real reason it is on the single page
 * 9:37: TinyClayMan : >buy all these mods
 * 9:37: TinyClayMan : Some videos should probably be used to include info on the pages
 * 9:37: Dabarkspawn : We should start a gofundme ;)
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 * 9:38: Rupuzioks : also even if we do separate them, we shouldn't add the appearance on the other articles
 * 9:38: The Great Laggi : Would that even work?
 * 9:38: Blademaster Jauffre : Maybe just one page per creation, and then having that page include all of the content of the creation?
 * 9:39: Rupuzioks : that's what I meant
 * 9:39: Blademaster Jauffre : Ah
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 * 9:39: Atvelonis : Maybe
 * 9:40: Rupuzioks : for example "Creation Club\Adventurer's Backpack"
 * 9:40: Atvelonis : im hesitant to commit to anything that would require active participation from editors though
 * 9:40: Atvelonis : like to a significant extent
 * 9:41: Rupuzioks : to me it is still not too much for a single page, it's just a suggestion for a future
 * 9:41: Atvelonis : itd one thing for me to go into Skyrim and screenshot the ages of the store. But doing separate pages implies full pages which implies a lot of work
 * 9:41: Atvelonis : Re go fund me: not impossible that I could get Beth to subsidize this? Maybe? I’m not sure how the currency works
 * 9:42: Rupuzioks : there are a lot of pages longer than this
 * 9:42: Blademaster Jauffre : There isn't that much CC content yet, of the ones available the only ones which would really take some time to get worked out would be the Civil War Champions and the Four Seasons.
 * 9:42: Atvelonis : but I’m more worried about time imitations
 * 9:42: Atvelonis : limitations
 * 9:42: Atvelonis : well yes but as I mentioned earlier no one is actually doing cc content as it is
 * 9:42: Atvelonis : i certainly don’t have the time to document them more than what I’m doing presently
 * 9:43: Rupuzioks : in the end it is just a mods, and I don't know if the majority or minority of players using them
 * 9:43: Atvelonis : and as wiki content goes I personally see it as sorta low priority. So I would prefer that others focus their efforts elsewhere
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 * 9:44: DaBarkspawn : I don't know if I am representative, but I got some free credits and used those and have totally not bothered to buy anything else.
 * 9:45: Atvelonis : I haven’t bought anything either. Though I’m certainly not representative
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 * 9:45: Blademaster Jauffre : I think it's primarily PS users who buy it.
 * 9:45: CatholicPrincess15 : ^
 * 9:46: DaBarkspawn : that makes sense
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 * 9:48: Atvelonis : Makes sende
 * 9:48: Atvelonis : limited mod selection
 * 9:48: Blademaster Jauffre: Still, I'm not proposing turning it into a priority for the wiki, but it can gradually be added over time.
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 * 9:49: Blademaster Jauffre : We currently have a ton of Crown pages for ESO which are limited to one or two lines because they're pets and such, CC content would be a somewhat decent page generally.
 * 9:49: Blademaster Jauffre : When compared to those.
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 * 9:50: TinyClayMan : I need to go. Feel too tired
 * 9:50: DaBarkspawn : Rest well, amigo
 * 9:50: TinyClayMan : Goodbye everyone
 * 9:51: CatholicPrincess15 : Feel better.
 * 9:51: The Beautiful Princess Ashley : bye
 * 9:51: DaBarkspawn : Can we call the question?
 * 9:51: Rupuzioks : my conclusion, for now it is fine as it is, I just gave a suggestion about it for later, this is my last comment on it
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 * 9:52: Blademaster Jauffre : Considering there'd been a previous Moot decision made on it, I guess it'd have to go on CT regardless.
 * 9:53: Atvelonis : Yes
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 * 9:54: Atvelonis : so with that said I suppose we should move onto the next part of the agenda
 * 9:54: Blademaster Jauffre : So I guess you could say *puts on sunglasses* the topic is moot.
 * 9:54: Atvelonis : lol
 * 9:54: CatholicPrincess15 : LOL
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 * 9:55: DaBarkspawn : ha
 * 9:55: DaBarkspawn : I can't believe we haven't done that one before
 * 9:55: Atvelonis : I think CatholicPrincess has the next topic
 * 9:56: CatholicPrincess15 : I never presented before.
 * 9:56: DaBarkspawn : Don't be shy
 * 9:56: Atvelonis : First time for everything
 * 9:56: CatholicPrincess15: What if I say something stupid?
 * 9:56: CatholicPrincess15: Or my ideas are dumb?
 * 9:56: Atvelonis: Oh don’t worry
 * 9:56: The Beautiful Princess Ashley : we've all said stupid shit in the past
 * 9:56: Atvelonis : I say plenty of stupid stuff every day
 * 9:56: DaBarkspawn : yep
 * 9:56: DaBarkspawn : also, this is a moot about a wiki
 * 9:57: Atvelonis : even if you present an idea that doesn’t pass, the discourse is valuable
 * 9:57: DaBarkspawn : we aren't exactly deciding nuclear strategy here
 * 9:57: CatholicPrincess15 : Okay. Well, my idea is about the Dragon Shouts page.
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 * 9:57: CatholicPrincess15 : It lists the 3 words, and the locations where you can find the whole shout.
 * 9:57: CatholicPrincess15 : But it doesn't say the exact location for each word.
 * 9:57: CatholicPrincess15 : So, if you're missing only one word to a shout and forget which locations you already went to, you have to go through all 3.
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 * 9:58: Blademaster Jauffre : I don't think I follow.
 * 9:58: CatholicPrincess15 : I thought we could be more specific and state which word of the shout is in each location.
 * 9:59: Blademaster Jauffre : Doesn't the word you learn depend on how many you've unlocked?
 * 9:59: DaBarkspawn : yes
 * 9:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley : i think so
 * 9:59: Poisoned apples : I thought the page already did that?
 * 9:59: CatholicPrincess15 : I don't think it does.
 * 9:59: CatholicPrincess15 : It doesn't say which word is in which location/
 * 10:00: Atvelonis : oh
 * 10:00: DaBarkspawn : Animal Allegiance is always Raan Mir Tah, it doesn't matter which order you visit the locations
 * 10:00: DaBarkspawn : You can't get Mir before Raan
 * 10:00: DaBarkspawn : at least in all of my P/Ts
 * 10:00: Blademaster Jauffre : I think I understand what you mean, Princess, but I don't think that's how unlocking the Word goes.
 * 10:00: CatholicPrincess15 : Oh.
 * 10:00: Blademaster Jauffre : Like, with Animal Allegiance, right? One part of the Shout can be found in Angarvunde
 * 10:01: CatholicPrincess15 : Right.
 * 10:01: Blademaster Jauffre : But it doesn't matter in what order you visit Angarvunde; you'll always get one of the three Words of power from its Word Wall
 * 10:01: Atvelonis : On my display it seems to differentiate
 * 10:01: Blademaster Jauffre : For some reason my previous comment didn't post
 * 10:02: DaBarkspawn : To this end, I think the rows of the charts on that page are misleading
 * 10:02: Blademaster Jauffre : Yes
 * 10:02: Blademaster Jauffre : That's true
 * 10:03: DaBarkspawn : It implies that one gets Raan from Angarvunde, but only if you go there first.
 * 10:03: CatholicPrincess15 : I guess that's what I was getting at.
 * 10:03: Blademaster Jauffre : Ahh
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 * 10:03: Blademaster Jauffre : That's a problem, sure.
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 * 10:04: Blademaster Jauffre : Can't imagine how to fix that though.
 * 10:04: Atvelonis : brb
 * 10:04: DaBarkspawn : In which case I support a reformatting of the tables: remove last column, create bottom row from that column
 * 10:04: DaBarkspawn : xpose
 * 10:04: Blademaster Jauffre : gtg
 * 10:04: Blademaster Jauffre : Good luck with the Moot y'all
 * 10:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley : bye
 * 10:05: DaBarkspawn : tc
 * 10:05: CatholicPrincess15 : Later!
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 * 10:06: Rupuzioks : it's easy, make the same one row like "Battle Fury"has
 * 10:06: CatholicPrincess15 : It'll work?
 * 10:06: Rupuzioks : yes
 * 10:06: DaBarkspawn : multirow column works for me, also
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 * 10:07: Rupuzioks : like I said it is done already to some shouts there
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 * 10:07: CatholicPrincess15 : So we just fix it so it does it for all?
 * 10:07: Rupuzioks : yes
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 * 10:07: CatholicPrincess15 : Should we vote?
 * 10:08: Rupuzioks : a lot of people just left
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 * 10:08: CatholicPrincess15 : So we should wait?
 * 10:08: DaBarkspawn : Would everyone who is not here, please raise your hand?
 * 10:10: CatholicPrincess15 : Are we going to wait until next moot, then?
 * 10:10: DaBarkspawn : More seriously, I'm not sure we have enough people left to sustain a proper conversation on the topics
 * 10:10: DaBarkspawn : Deferring to the next moot might be best
 * 10:10: DaBarkspawn : yeah
 * 10:10: CatholicPrincess15 : Okay.
 * 10:10: CatholicPrincess15 : Cool.
 * 10:10: CatholicPrincess15 : Bye guys!
 * 10:11: Rupuzioks : bye