User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20181124


 * 06:24:50: RenzXVI: hi
 * 06:24:53: RenzXVI: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1031167
 * 06:24:59: RenzXVI: Raffle is big now.
 * 06:25:05: RenzXVI: Bethesda and Wikia helped sponsor it.
 * 06:25:29: RenzXVI: I am not gonna join the raffle so you have an extra chance to win, Zoder!
 * 06:28:24: Zoder: I'm not going to enter, but that's pretty cool.
 * 06:28:35: RenzXVI: Aww.
 * 06:32:06: Zoder: Atv is spending money out of his own pocket? Damn. Commitment.
 * 06:32:40: RenzXVI: Some of the other admins pitched in last time. Now Bethesda and Wikia did a lot.
 * 06:32:54: Zoder: Why aren't you going to enter though? Don't you want a gryphon plush, courtesy of Bethesda and ZeniMax?
 * 06:33:29: RenzXVI: Nah, I am not a raffle type of guy.
 * 06:33:47: RenzXVI: Most of the time, I never join contests because I want other people to win.
 * 06:34:36: RenzXVI: I very rarely join contests, only if there's something I want or it's forced lol.
 * 06:36:08: RenzXVI: And I have a thing against raffles. The last one I was in, it was a Christmas raffle thing. I wanted the portable speakers so badly, my bestfriend won but he was absent and they picked someone else. I was complaining so much because he paid for everything (party entrance and food etc) even if he didn't show up, he even mailed his exchange gift (kris kringle) and didn't pick up his gift.
 * 06:36:19: RenzXVI: It's so unfair. If they let him win, I would've taken the damned portable speakers for myself!!
 * 06:37:21: RenzXVI: I was really fighting for my friends right to win his prize so I can forcibly take it from him, it's unfair to not give him that chance. Lol
 * 06:38:04: RenzXVI: You know what makes it even more ridiculous? My other best friend was the MC for the night, she was announcing the winners and handing out the gifts. I should've had it go my way.
 * 06:38:16: RenzXVI: So now my hatred for raffles run deeper.
 * 06:38:32: RenzXVI: But I still help out organize raffles though, I just don't join them.
 * 06:38:43: Zoder: You poor thing. If it makes you feel any better, the last time I went to a raffle, I didn't win anything- but my friend won an umbrella with a built in flashlight.
 * 06:38:53: RenzXVI: lolol
 * 06:39:54: RenzXVI: Luckily, on that Christmas party, I was one of the volunteer food people thingies. I hand people the food. So I had dibs or everything. I was eating all nigt. lol
 * 06:40:04: RenzXVI: dibs on*
 * 06:40:11: RenzXVI: night*
 * 06:40:17: Zoder: I only ever enter raffles if they 1) contain something I really really want, 2) I have to pay for the raffle tickets and the money goes toward a good cause, or 3) I'm trying to win something for a friend.
 * 06:40:29: Zoder: Three typos in one sentence?? Wow.
 * 06:40:54: RenzXVI: 2
 * 06:43:22: Zoder: Two.
 * 06:43:24: Zoder: Yes.
 * 06:43:53: RenzXVI: I didn't notice the night one because the chat buttons were blocking it.
 * 06:43:58: RenzXVI: In the text area.
 * 06:45:44: Zoder: Excuses, excuses.
 * 06:45:52: RenzXVI: My sister is very lucky with raffles.
 * 06:46:02: RenzXVI: She once won three raffles in one day.
 * 06:53:11: Zoder: Damn. There was one person with the raffle ticket "123" at the last raffle I went to, and they won around 4 prizes.
 * 06:54:28: RenzXVI: lol
 * 06:59:09: Zoder: On the bright side, my deranged great uncle accidentally mooned my entire family last night.
 * 06:59:26: Zoder: I may be asexual now. It's difficult to tell.
 * 06:59:45: RenzXVI: You weren't asexual before?
 * 07:02:01: Zoder: That's also difficult to tell.
 * 07:03:02: RenzXVI: lol
 * 07:40:16: RenzXVI: So der... How did you get accidentally mooned
 * 07:41:56: RenzXVI: ?
 * 07:42:52: Zoder: Well.. my family and I (excluding my uncle) were playing Scrabble at the dining room table, and my uncle was watching football on the couch. He stood up from the couch, pulled his pants down for a few seconds, and then pulled them back up while apparently forgetting that we were 5 feet away. We were all horrified and we agreed to never speak of it again.
 * 07:43:35: RenzXVI: Why pull it down? And he had no underwear?
 * 07:44:21: Zoder: I don't know. He's mentally ill, so we decided to let it slide. I don't think he even knows he did it.
 * 07:44:41: Zoder: He either was wearing no underwear or he pulled it down when he pulled his pants down.
 * 07:44:58: RenzXVI: lol ok
 * 07:46:48: RenzXVI: I've seen senior citizens wearing skirts at malls and the end of it is tucked into their undies... So you can see up their legs lol
 * 07:47:25: Zoder: That's terrifying.
 * 07:48:16: RenzXVI: lol
 * 07:48:26: RenzXVI: Yeah, I've seen that happen twice.
 * 07:48:31: RenzXVI: Or maybe more.
 * 07:48:37: RenzXVI: I just try to forget it.
 * 07:49:13: RenzXVI: I guess skirt wearers only have that happen if they are senile. It wouldn't bother me if it happened to young adults lol
 * 07:49:22: RenzXVI: As long as they aren't hideous.
 * 07:55:10: Zoder: Right.
 * 08:28:31: Zoder: So have you gotten over the Stan Lee thing, or are you still emotionally unstable about it?
 * 08:29:35: RenzXVI: Someone talked about Dr. Seuss the other day. The person didn't even know they both served in the same unit in the army!!
 * 08:30:00: RenzXVI: And because it's near Christmas, people will start calling me The Grinch again and mention Dr. Seuss...
 * 08:32:10: Zoder: Dr. Seuss and Stan Lee served in the same unit in the army?
 * 08:32:16: RenzXVI: Yeah.
 * 08:32:54: RenzXVI: Hard to believe Dr. Seuss is that type of guy.
 * 08:33:02: RenzXVI: Or maybe even Stan Lee. And then they are together lol.
 * 08:44:24: Zoder: Wow.
 * 08:59:14: Zoder: I'm sending my friend screenshots of our conversations with the names and images blocked out.
 * 08:59:51: RenzXVI: What about it?
 * 09:05:56: Zoder: I was digging through my trash and I found a ton of these: https://prnt.sc/lmcitl https://prnt.sc/lmcis2 https://prnt.sc/lmcip9 https://prnt.sc/lmcini https://prnt.sc/lmciji https://prnt.sc/lmcim2
 * 09:07:25: Zoder: And I found them kind of funny so I sent them to a friend.
 * 09:11:40: RenzXVI: I thought because you found Dr. Seuss and Stan Lee in the army too unbelievable.
 * 09:12:28: Zoder: Oh. No.
 * 09:17:20: RenzXVI: Well, made it anyway https://streamable.com/nhjgn
 * 09:19:54: RenzXVI: Be warned, the clip may be offensive to Nazis.
 * 09:28:56: RenzXVI: Brb, dinner.
 * 10:08:22: RenzXVI: Hi Ashley
 * 10:08:30: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 10:08:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what's up?
 * 10:08:58: RenzXVI: Showing Zoder proof that Stan Lee was in the same unit in the army as Dr. Seuss.
 * 10:09:24: RenzXVI: https://streamable.com/nhjgn
 * 10:09:34: RenzXVI: Vid might be offensive to Nazis.
 * 10:10:28: RenzXVI: Wait, what? I refreshed and Zoder wasn't here. WAs it a phantom chatter? Lol
 * 10:10:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm afraid i can't watch vids right now
 * 10:11:10: RenzXVI: It's ok, I understand that you are practically German. Lol
 * 10:11:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
 * 10:11:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the nazis fucked us over pretty badly though
 * 10:12:18: RenzXVI: I lost track of which countries the Nazis did what on.
 * 10:12:29: RenzXVI: All I remember is gas and Jews.
 * 10:16:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they basically invaded us, killed our jews, and performed scorched earth tactics on us when things went bad
 * 10:17:36: RenzXVI: Oh, so you had the Jews.
 * 10:19:25: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yup, but the nazis killed 3/4 of them
 * 10:32:22: RenzXVI: Hitler was a nice and sensitive man. He didn't really wanna kill the Jews, he wanted to help them. He said 'gauze the Jews' because they were injured but someone misunderstood.
 * 10:36:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
 * 14:19:23: KINMUNE: Hello there, Nekyn Alb!
 * 14:34:42: KINMUNE: Hello there, High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia!
 * 14:51:07: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Beautiful Princess Ashley!
 * 14:57:43: KINMUNE: Hello there, Sercmer!
 * 14:58:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 14:58:36: Sercmer: hi
 * 15:01:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what's up?
 * 15:03:04: Sercmer: playing WoW
 * 15:04:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nice
 * 15:05:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've never really been into that
 * 15:14:36: KINMUNE: Hello there, Quentum!
 * 15:15:13: Quentum: Hello
 * 15:59:17: KINMUNE: Hello there, Bronkiin!
 * 15:59:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi bron
 * 16:00:56: Bronkiin: ohi \o
 * 16:01:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what's up?
 * 16:01:41: Bronkiin: Not much, bout to start an essay
 * 16:01:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah
 * 16:01:55: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: about what?
 * 16:01:56: Bronkiin: Saw there was more than KINMUNE and Nek on here so thought it worth joining xd
 * 16:02:10: Bronkiin: The effects of the Holocaust on the Arab-Israeli conflict
 * 16:03:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: didn't the holocaust basically cause that by giving the jews a reason to claim land and form a state?
 * 16:03:42: Bronkiin: Partially it gave it impetus, but the workings of an Israeli state had been around for a couple of decades
 * 16:03:52: Bronkiin: brb
 * 16:05:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true, jewish folks had been "returning" to the "holy land" for some time
 * 16:09:44: Nekyn Alb: I heard holocaust
 * 16:09:51: Nekyn Alb: I mean, I head my name
 * 16:11:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah, you people like stealing our jews and hoarding them in concentration camps.
 * 16:12:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: not even the state of israel likes jews so much they invade other countries and steal their jews
 * 16:13:21: Nekyn Alb: Well, nobody wanted them, so we had to keep them
 * 16:18:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they were our jews. you already had plenty of jews. no need to steal ours.
 * 16:18:29: Nekyn Alb: We lost them under the coach
 * 16:19:10: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: if the conditions in your concentration camps weren't so bad, you'd still have had plenty of jews and there would have been no need to steal ours
 * 16:19:11: Nekyn Alb: *couch
 * 16:19:22: Nekyn Alb: You didn't do anything with yours
 * 16:20:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: that's no excuse to hoard them
 * 16:21:45: Nekyn Alb: They liked hoarding so much, we thought they'd appreciate it
 * 16:24:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: from what i've read, they didn't really appreciate being hoarded
 * 16:24:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: but that's hardly what matters. you stole them, and stealing is bad
 * 16:48:32: KINMUNE: Hello there, Masidillia!
 * 16:48:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 16:48:38: Masidillia: hey
 * 16:48:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what's up?
 * 16:49:13: Masidillia: Nothing really, I just got curious because there's a lot more people in the chat than usual
 * 16:49:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
 * 16:49:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: back when i joined, it was always like this
 * 16:51:47: Masidillia: wow, it's usually just KINMUNE and one or two others, which aren't even on
 * 16:53:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: aye, it tends to be pretty dead
 * 16:54:08: Masidillia: yeah
 * 16:59:13: Bronkiin: That's the only reason I'm here
 * 16:59:22: Bronkiin: Its still dead though; just with more bodies than normal.
 * 16:59:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
 * 17:00:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i wish this place would come back to life
 * 17:02:10: Masidillia: The only time that I've seen it actually going good was when I had a political debate in here with someone else. Never doing that again
 * 17:02:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: why not?
 * 17:02:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: political debates are fun
 * 17:03:16: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: one of the reasons i became active back in 2016 was the amount of political debates here
 * 17:05:07: Bronkiin: Used to have tons of politics/philosophy discussions here
 * 17:05:11: Bronkiin: as well as TES lore
 * 17:05:27: Bronkiin: Discussions is more puerile and Discord has less verve
 * 17:08:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: discussions is good enough for the lore discussions in my experience
 * 17:11:25: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: though of course, they do have the kind of idiots who will continue believing nonsense like the Dwemer going to Aetherius even if presented with evidence of the contrary
 * 17:12:20: Bronkiin: Lore discussions of the quality you could get when Shawn was around?
 * 17:12:23: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Khajiit in the Hide Hat!
 * 17:13:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'd say yes. we have plenty of lore buffs like Nekyn or Aramithius
 * 17:14:13: Bronkiin: Fantastic, I should keep an eye out
 * 17:16:11: Nekyn Alb: Just ignore everything Jauffre says (kappa)
 * 17:16:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: Jauffre isn't always wrong. he just has some kind of vendetta against Kirkbride
 * 17:16:43: Bronkiin: Is he a bit less hot-headed now, at least?
 * 17:16:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
 * 17:16:49: Bronkiin: yeh ikr
 * 17:17:08: Bronkiin: I think its because in Kirkbride's works everyone dies and that upsets him.
 * 17:17:27: Nekyn Alb: (thinking)
 * 17:17:41: Nekyn Alb: Only in C0DA
 * 17:17:56: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: if so, he should just ignore those parts. i ignore everything related to Landfall bc i don't like it
 * 17:18:43: Nekyn Alb: Jauffre remembers the history stuff, but he's pretty bad at metaphysics and interpreting
 * 17:21:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: he claims he denies it bc it's not in-game canon, but many of the stuff he denies is actually mentioned in the games
 * 17:21:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: like the dream being referenced in one of the 36 lessons
 * 17:22:21: Nekyn Alb: He unknowingly accepts some stuff because its's just such widespread lore by now
 * 17:35:25: Masidillia: But it was just kinda annoying. Since you go to the discussions a lot, you probably know where I stand on those types of things. The person I was arguing against was stubborn and wouldn't listen to anything. They straight up told me that they wish I was dead because the world would be a better place.
 * 17:35:48: Masidillia: If I can get someone more respectable I will, but if I can't I won't do another one here.
 * 17:38:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sorry, i'm afraid i do not know where you stand on politics
 * 17:39:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: oh wait, he left
 * 17:44:12: KINMUNE: Hello there, Atvelonis!
 * 17:44:12: Atvelonis: Chat party?
 * 17:44:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sure
 * 17:45:01: Bronkiin: Hulloooo
 * 17:45:07: Bronkiin: I've been in chat AND talking
 * 17:45:11: Atvelonis: A rare sight
 * 17:45:12: Bronkiin: this is all very exciting
 * 17:45:27: Atvelonis: how are things across the pond?
 * 17:45:47: Atvelonis: o/
 * 17:45:54: Bronkiin: Writing an essay atm. The effects of the Holocaust on the Arab Israeli conflict.
 * 17:46:00: Bronkiin: Bed time lighr-reading
 * 17:46:04: Bronkiin: *light
 * 17:46:15: Nekyn Alb: Hi o/
 * 17:46:31: Masidillia: Ashley, I'm right wing.
 * 17:46:41: Atvelonis: Thanksgiving was on Thursday and I don't have to do anything else until Monday
 * 17:46:51: Atvelonis: So I'm with some family in Massachusetts
 * 17:47:07: Masidillia: Atve, same
 * 17:47:24: Atvelonis: the extended family is growing. 4 new kids in the past couple years. i'd forgotten how wild these youngins can get
 * 17:47:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: "right-wing" doesn't say much. there's a lot of differences in opinion among people who call themselves right-wing
 * 17:48:50: Masidillia: Conservative, pro Trump, all that. No socialism.
 * 17:49:18: Nekyn Alb: oof
 * 17:49:21: Bronkiin: Tariffs are relatively socialist
 * 17:49:34: Bronkiin: *shitstirs*
 * 17:50:17: Masidillia: Nah, I don't really wanna go there
 * 17:50:30: Atvelonis: my paternal grandparents are somewhat conservative, though the rest of my family leans left. immigrant roots, for the most part
 * 17:50:48: Masidillia: I'd just rather chat without politics
 * 17:50:49: Atvelonis: I try not to identify too heavily with political labels
 * 17:51:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: my family tends to be economically right-wing, but progressive on must social issues
 * 17:51:54: Masidillia: My sister and grandparents are more liberal, but the rest is conservative
 * 17:52:21: Atvelonis: politics are a bit of a sore spot on my father's side. my aunt (his sister) is a lesbian and their parents are quite religious and disapprove. So they just pretend that that part of her doesn't exist
 * 17:52:36: Bronkiin: In England liberal and conservative are v. similar
 * 17:52:53: Bronkiin: ie. Classical liberalalism is a Conservative value
 * 17:53:20: Masidillia: Hey Atve, just wondering, what made you want to be an admin here
 * 17:53:30: Atvelonis: can of worms haha
 * 17:53:41: Atvelonis: one second
 * 17:53:57: Bronkiin: History page link? xD
 * 17:54:14: Atvelonis: oh yeah that's a fun page to read
 * 17:54:15: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Atvelonis/History
 * 17:54:34: Bronkiin: #resurrect Sajuuk
 * 17:54:48: Atvelonis: KINMUNE, should we resurrect Sajuuk?
 * 17:54:50: KINMUNE: Most certainly.
 * 17:55:01: Nekyn Alb: I was about to send the same question
 * 17:55:31: Atvelonis: @Mas: so I joined the wiki in August 2014. if I recall correctly, my friend and I were both doing Skyrim playthroughs and we came up with some sort of nerd contest as to who could edit the wiki more
 * 17:55:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: parents who disapprove of gay children are abandoning their duties as parents
 * 17:56:15: Atvelonis: I think the first thing I ever did on the wiki was add a bunch of locations to the Woodcutter's Axe page because I wanted the achievement to chop wood and found the wiki page very lacking
 * 17:56:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
 * 17:56:28: Atvelonis: If you go into the history you can see how much I edited it :P
 * 17:57:04: Atvelonis: After doing that for a while I started to branch out into other items as well, like books
 * 17:57:20: Atvelonis: Which was a massive project and really got me into editing
 * 17:58:04: Atvelonis: After a few months of doing that sort of thing, I was asked by the administrators if I was interested in becoming a patroller
 * 17:58:40: Atvelonis: one second internet's being wack
 * 18:00:20: Masidillia: I try to edit here, but I rarely find stuff to. Everything is done so well. That's why I edit on fortnite
 * 18:00:27: Atvelonis: https://i.gyazo.com/0bd7f53d7677d78667bb79a96f7449f2.png
 * 18:00:52: Atvelonis: I thought it was very strange at the time. I was not a good editor then
 * 18:01:07: Atvelonis: If you look into my old talk page archives, they're full of admins saying "stop doing this you're breaking everything"
 * 18:01:24: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Atvelonis/Archive_1
 * 18:01:25: Masidillia: Lol
 * 18:01:59: Atvelonis: Nonetheless I accepted his offer and he nominated me for patroller
 * 18:02:00: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Patrollers/Archive
 * 18:02:03: Atvelonis: It's in there somewhere
 * 18:02:54: Atvelonis: Whatever Ghost et al. saw in me, it wasn't my skills. Probably more to do with my apparent devotion to the project
 * 18:03:46: Atvelonis: I think they saw potential in someone who was totally new to the community (for reasons I will explain shortly)
 * 18:04:15: Atvelonis: Literally within hours of my promotion in Jan 2015, three admins resigned
 * 18:04:31: Atvelonis: "We've passed the torch. Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish!"
 * 18:04:55: Masidillia: Why would they resign?
 * 18:05:05: Atvelonis: Well, entirely unbeknownst to my naive 2014 self, the TESWiki community was going through some seriously heavy drama at the time
 * 18:05:36: Atvelonis: It stemmed in large part from the addition of the Forums and Chat to the wiki in 2013-ish. These features attracted a lot of people who spent time on the wiki for purely social reasons, as compared to editorial/encyclopedic ones
 * 18:07:39: Atvelonis: By 2013/2014, the wiki had sort of devolved into two broad cliques: "edit people" and "social people." The administrators (obviously in the "edit people" camp) made very little effort to reconcile the two groups, probably out of inexperience more than anything else. Most of the drama on the site brewed in the fairly poorly moderated Chat. Several moderators at the time were among those causing drama to begin with
 * 18:09:36: Atvelonis: The history page I linked earlier goes into further detail, if you want to read a bit more. https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Atvelonis/History But, in short, the community became a very unpleasant place to spend time in, not to mention moderate -- and the admins (all volunteers) simply didn't want to deal with that nonsense anymore.
 * 18:13:27: Atvelonis: When Ebony, Tomb, and Ghost resigned (followed shortly thereafter by Kennyannydenny), the only sysops left were Timeoin and Flightmare, both of whom were quite inactive. There were a few people in the community at the time who were obviously aiming to become administrators themselves (e.g. the aforementioned SuperSajuuk), producing no small amount of drama in order to do so, but the level of drama surrounding many of those folks made them controversial candidates. Eventually Cheatcodechamp (a patroller, formerly inactive) returned to the wiki and was promoted to bureaucrat. He was a very anti-Sajuuk (& similar) person and wanted more edit-focused people on the wiki, and/or people who could connect with both groups. More than a few people at the time thought that I was a good choice, given how little I had participated in the drama
 * 18:16:01: Atvelonis: I think I was not quite qualified to become an admin. I had not yet developed the leadership/editorial skills to lead the community effectively and I struggled a lot to handle the situation. Fortunately I was able to rely on several other staff members to do a lot of that :P
 * 18:16:04: Atvelonis: oh he's gone
 * 18:18:21: Bronkiin: lol, and what a story
 * 18:18:28: Bronkiin: He's been coming and going a while
 * 18:23:42: Atvelonis: welcome back lol
 * 18:23:55: Atvelonis: yeah I get very long winded when talking about meta stuff
 * 18:25:07: Masidillia: Nice story, and I've been doing stuff. I'm just getting on when I can
 * 18:26:15: Atvelonis: I'm happy that I became an administrator and I like to think that I did a reasonable job fixing things up in 2015 and running the wiki since then. It has its ups and downs, of course, but overall it has been (and will continue to be) a valuable part of my life
 * 18:26:58: Atvelonis: omg this comment
 * 18:26:59: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki%3AAdministrators/Atvelonis
 * 18:27:10: Atvelonis: "This wiki will rise from the ashes, stronger than ever. How can we achieve this? Placing another exceptionally talented individual on the throne. One that can show us the path, and lead us to glory." Your Friendly Bounty Hunter (talk) 23:11, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * 18:27:23: Atvelonis: I will never not find this funny
 * 18:28:53: Masidillia: Lol
 * 18:30:01: Atvelonis: Also, Masidillia, you mentioned earlier that the wiki seems very complete and that there's nothing to edit - I can guarantee that this is not the case :P
 * 18:30:31: Atvelonis: It might look totally comprehensive at a glance, but there are massive swaths of articles which are woefully lacking in information
 * 18:30:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Quentum
 * 18:30:48: Atvelonis: The majority of these are related to ESO. We have hundreds of quest articles without any walkthroughs at all, for example
 * 18:33:29: Bronkiin: Patrolling atm is so dull because of the huge preponderance of interwiki links edits
 * 18:33:57: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: even if you don't play ESO, there's plenty to do. i'm currently adding references to our article on Pelinal, for example
 * 18:34:12: Bronkiin: I think that's because of my timezone, everytime I go on RC is spammed by 1875a xd
 * 18:34:25: Bronkiin: bloody Europeans
 * 18:34:38: Atvelonis: he makes a lot of edits haha
 * 18:34:53: Atvelonis: all the edits need to be patrolled at some point though :P
 * 18:35:59: Atvelonis: It's actually nice that he keeps up with all the links. There's no way any of us would
 * 18:41:31: Bronkiin: How would one go about corroborating this?
 * 18:41:38: Bronkiin: I don't have the CK
 * 18:41:56: Bronkiin: and what exactly is class in Skyrim?
 * 18:42:05: Atvelonis: idk. something in the CK
 * 18:42:08: Atvelonis: I have it on my laptop, I can check
 * 18:42:11: Atvelonis: what edit are you referring to?
 * 18:43:27: Bronkiin: oh
 * 18:43:28: Bronkiin: lol
 * 18:43:29: Bronkiin: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Rebuilding_the_Blades?diff=2781052&oldid=2780429
 * 18:43:41: Bronkiin: UESP says Blacksmith too but I'm not convinced
 * 18:43:43: Atvelonis: Let me check
 * 18:43:51: Bronkiin: how do we define class?
 * 18:44:47: Atvelonis: whatever the variable is in the CK for that NPC
 * 18:45:02: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Classes_(Skyrim)
 * 18:45:07: Atvelonis: they seem to determine the NPC's skills
 * 18:47:16: Atvelonis: uhhh not quite sure
 * 18:48:11: Atvelonis: so for https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Vantus_Loreius (for example) the CK says his class is "citizen"
 * 18:48:38: Atvelonis: But for Farkas it says "TrainerHeavyArmorMaster"
 * 18:49:06: Masidillia: So Atve, I've seen on multiple occasions the recent edits thing has been filled with your edits. How do you find stuff to edit? I try and look for a while and just fix a missed space after a comma.
 * 18:49:07: Atvelonis: that's not an npc class though
 * 18:50:05: Atvelonis: @Masidillia: this is something that a lot of users struggle with. At this point my editing knowledge has become so broad that I can look at most pages and see something wrong with them
 * 18:51:05: Atvelonis: On a basic level, I just know the style and formatting guidelines pretty well - I know what an ideal article of each type/game looks like, more or less, and if I see a page that's missing something that it should have, I know that I need to edit it (either to change the offending information/add the lacking information, or mark the page as needing attention of some sort)
 * 18:52:13: Atvelonis: Most of my edits right now are some sort of RC patrolling, which makes use of this skill a lot. I will check a lot of edits made to the wiki and can compare what a user has added to what they *should* be adding (I may have to reference TES:SF etc. sometimes, of course). Then I will fix up what they're doing
 * 18:52:41: Masidillia: Ok
 * 18:52:55: Atvelonis: I have a ton of content projects though
 * 18:53:05: Atvelonis: God, there's so much stuff that needs to be done
 * 18:53:09: Atvelonis: Here, let me find some lists
 * 18:53:14: Bronkiin: I think I'll revert. I can't see how "Blacksmith" is more appropriate than "warrior"
 * 18:53:33: Atvelonis: @Bron: it's not arbitrary though
 * 18:53:35: Atvelonis: It's from the CK
 * 18:53:38: Atvelonis: I'm just not sure where exactly
 * 18:53:44: Atvelonis: @Masidillia: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Atvelonis/Projects
 * 18:53:53: Atvelonis: This is a list of things that I have reminded myself to do
 * 18:54:02: Bronkiin: Oh the Blacksmith thing is from the CK?
 * 18:54:05: Atvelonis: As you can see, this list is absolutely gigantic and will probably never be empty
 * 18:54:22: Atvelonis: @Bron: pretty sure that's where we get all the class data. I think I must just be looking in the wrong place though
 * 18:54:34: Atvelonis: ask Rozty and Rupuzioks on Discord, they're better at the CK than I am
 * 18:55:57: Bronkiin: As in, the guy who made the edit may not have been using CK. However, Farkas's services more closely match that of Blacksmith class, so will let it stand
 * 18:56:34: Atvelonis: @Masidillia: a bunch of those things are notes to myself that might not make sense if you aren't me
 * 18:56:46: Atvelonis: But many more are definitely things that other people could work on
 * 18:57:09: Atvelonis: Some of these things are significantly easier with the Creation Kit. For example, adding quest stages to the journals of quest pages
 * 18:57:16: Atvelonis: (very useful for PC players using console commands)
 * 18:58:44: Atvelonis: Here's another slightly-outdated tasklist for ESO: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Online_Tasklist
 * 18:58:56: Atvelonis: That has a lot of stuff that needs to be done
 * 18:59:12: Atvelonis: Do you have ESO?
 * 19:00:18: Bronkiin: Generally a good way to get into editing is to ask a senior editor for a project.
 * 19:00:26: Bronkiin: I miss Crus so much :(
 * 19:00:39: Masidillia: If you're asking me, I just gave it away to my sister. It took up too much space and I couldn't get into it.
 * 19:00:57: Atvelonis: I miss Crusader too. I could dump so much work on him :P
 * 19:01:13: Atvelonis: He was a very good editor
 * 19:01:43: Atvelonis: @Masidillia: what games do you have?
 * 19:02:29: Bronkiin: I nearly miss ESO as much as Crus
 * 19:02:41: Bronkiin: No time nor money
 * 19:02:58: Masidillia: Morrowind, oblivion, skyrim, and I will get blades in early access
 * 19:03:03: Bronkiin: btw is Kora ever active on Discord?
 * 19:03:14: Atvelonis: She shows up once in a blue moon
 * 19:03:20: Atvelonis: She's online a lot, if you ping her I'm sure she'll respond
 * 19:03:47: Atvelonis: @Mas: Skyrim is preeeetty complete... there are a few things it's missing like npc dialogue, but that's hard without the ck
 * 19:04:05: Atvelonis: There's much more to do with Oblivion and Morrowind
 * 19:04:16: Atvelonis: What platform are you on?
 * 19:05:00: Masidillia: What is there to do with Oblivion? I struggle to play Morrowind for over 30 minutes. And I'm on XB1
 * 19:05:47: Atvelonis: Lots
 * 19:05:48: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Oblivion:_Stubs
 * 19:06:06: Atvelonis: there are a lot of subcats in there
 * 19:06:07: Atvelonis: e.g. https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Oblivion:_Location_Stub
 * 19:06:14: Atvelonis: These are location pages missing a decent amount of information
 * 19:06:16: Atvelonis: for oblivion
 * 19:06:48: Atvelonis: for example https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ida_Vlinorman%27s_House is missing a bunch of information
 * 19:06:50: Atvelonis: empty sections
 * 19:07:03: Masidillia: I'll try to work on some of those
 * 19:07:12: Atvelonis: an example of a completed location page might look something like this: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Agarmir%27s_House
 * 19:07:37: Atvelonis: Just bear in mind that what you add has to meet TES:SF
 * 19:07:48: Atvelonis: If you want to do location pages, then you'll be interested in looking at SF:LOCAT
 * 19:07:54: Atvelonis: (style and formatting/locations)
 * 19:08:09: Atvelonis: This shows the proper order of the headers, what should be recorded and how, etc.
 * 19:08:20: Atvelonis: also I would highly recommend joining the discord server
 * 19:08:33: Atvelonis: https://discord.gg/R3DGnN4
 * 19:08:44: Atvelonis: you can always ask in Discussions or on here for help, but people might not get to you very quickly
 * 19:26:32: Masidillia: So I've never been on discord. What is it? I only know the very base
 * 19:27:25: Nekyn Alb: It's a chat app/website
 * 19:28:23: Nekyn Alb: You got servers, which have multiple channels for different topics and voice channels for talking
 * 19:28:54: Nekyn Alb: It's kind of a better Skype with a lot more useful features
 * 19:29:19: Nekyn Alb: I prefer Teamspeak for talking though, that has better sound and connection quality
 * 19:29:53: Masidillia: Ok
 * 19:31:01: Atvelonis: It's a bit like this chatroom, but with a bunch of sub-channels instead of one main place to talk
 * 19:31:10: Atvelonis: And messages don't disappear if you disconnect
 * 19:32:52: Atvelonis: I still like the Chat's impermanent nature which is why I spend time on here occasionally. but discord is a very good resource
 * 19:35:15: Nekyn Alb: Easier to talk bullshit if nobody can prove it (kappa)
 * 19:35:27: Atvelonis: heh
 * 19:39:41: Atvelonis: sooo I take it you're not interested in joining Discord?
 * 19:39:47: Atvelonis: seeing as you have not joined the server yet lol
 * 19:40:35: Atvelonis: there you are
 * 19:48:34: Atvelonis: gotta run. driving back to ny soon
 * 19:48:39: Atvelonis: and then back to stinky pennsylvania blah blah
 * 19:48:43: Masidillia: It took me a while to pass the bot test. I'm bad at clicking on crosswalks
 * 19:48:57: Atvelonis: o/
 * 19:49:15: Masidillia: See ya
 * 20:44:16: KINMUNE: Hello there, Sethisapoopdead!
 * 20:44:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 20:44:35: Sethisapoopdead: Fuck u niggers!
 * 20:44:41: Sethisapoopdead: U sll gay
 * 20:44:46: Sethisapoopdead: LIKE SETH
 * The Beautiful Princess Ashley banned Sethisapoopdead with reason: troll
 * 20:54:25: KINMUNE: Hello there, Once You Go Troll, You Never Reroll!
 * 20:54:31: Once You Go Troll: hi
 * 20:54:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 20:54:39: Once You Go Troll: sup
 * 20:54:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nm
 * 20:54:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you?
 * 20:54:47: Once You Go Troll: ok
 * 20:55:08: Once You Go Troll: oh, well I'm just wondering if i should buy something
 * 20:55:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: buy something?
 * 20:55:27: Once You Go Troll: mhm
 * 20:55:29: Nekyn Alb: Who is Seth? (thinking)
 * 20:56:02: Once You Go Troll: oh wow
 * 20:56:05: Once You Go Troll: i just scrolled up
 * 20:56:07: Once You Go Troll: what the hell
 * 20:56:43: Once You Go Troll: the least he could do was spell "all" right ;)\
 * 20:56:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah, he trolled so i banned him
 * 20:56:58: Once You Go Troll: My name refers to an actual troll
 * 20:57:02: Once You Go Troll: not the internet variety
 * 20:57:03: Once You Go Troll: so dw
 * 20:57:10: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: tbh when you joined, i thought you were his alt due to your name
 * 20:57:14: Once You Go Troll: oh
 * 20:57:16: Once You Go Troll: lol
 * 20:57:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i almost banned you for nothing lol
 * 20:57:19: Once You Go Troll: nah
 * 20:57:26: Once You Go Troll: its aight
 * 20:57:55: Once You Go Troll: tbh i just made this account today, I wanted to be apart of both the uesp community and this one
 * 20:58:16: Once You Go Troll: plus i wanted to see if it was as bad as uesp likes to say ;)
 * 20:58:20: Once You Go Troll: you seem alright though
 * 20:58:42: Once You Go Troll: i never actually used wikia
 * 20:58:53: Once You Go Troll: whats it like here
 * 20:59:59: Once You Go Troll: you there?
 * 21:00:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sure, i'm here. i'm doing other stuff at the same time though.
 * 21:00:17: Once You Go Troll: ah
 * 21:00:18: Once You Go Troll: okay
 * 21:00:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what does UESP say about us?
 * 21:00:42: Once You Go Troll: they say many things... did you want something specific?
 * 21:00:48: Nekyn Alb: They're just jealous because we're more attractive users
 * 21:00:52: Once You Go Troll: they said your editing style was "shit" no offense
 * 21:00:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
 * 21:01:02: Once You Go Troll: and you didnt have a lot of cited sources
 * 21:01:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sad but true
 * 21:01:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we're getting better though
 * 21:01:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we have a lot more trivia than they do
 * 21:01:45: Once You Go Troll: well thats all that matters
 * 21:01:53: Once You Go Troll: the improving part
 * 21:02:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: just today, i added references to pretty much all the claims in our article on Pelinal
 * 21:02:45: Once You Go Troll: nice
 * 21:04:33: Once You Go Troll: so how is everyone today
 * 21:04:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: for real lore, it's still best to just read the source material though
 * 21:04:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm pretty well
 * 21:05:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: did a lot of studying today, probably going to play some pokemon let's go soon to reward myself
 * 21:06:47: Once You Go Troll: nice
 * 22:11:50: KINMUNE: Hello there, Zoder!
 * 22:20:29: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 22:21:00: Zoder: Hey.
 * 22:49:28: KINMUNE: Hello there, RenzXVI!
 * 22:50:05: RenzXVI: Hi Zoder, you disappeared last night. I dunno if you saw the vid.
 * 22:50:36: RenzXVI: https://streamable.com/nhjgn
 * 22:51:04: Zoder: Sorry about that. It was 5 AM and I was just too tired to deal with you.
 * 22:51:12: Zoder: No, I didn't see it. I'll watch it now.
 * 22:51:39: RenzXVI: Warning: The video might be offensive to Nazis.