Board Thread:Skyrim/@comment-12599067-20130928060857/@comment-31137339-20170128110434

Phantasys wrote: Secretary Squid wrote:

Phantasys wrote:

Secretary Squid wrote:

80.216.198.94 wrote:

Slicer1225 wrote: They had been peaceful but were slaughtered by Ulfric Stormcloak which caused them to go on a killing spree.

That's so mehistory revisionism there, Ulfric was asked to come in to put an end to Forsworn violence by the Imperial Jarl because the Legion saw fit to let the Forsworn murder Nords as they saw fit and the Jarl had had enough and asked the only one that could stop the violence for help ie Ulfric.

The Reachmen/forsworn were never peaceful, ever. They were once peaceful. They used to be a regular race, going about their daily business, until the Nords came from Atmora. They wanted to keep their land, and so stood up to the Nords. The Nords drove them out, forcing them to live in caves, run down forts and abandoned keeps. When the Great War started, they knew this was the ideal time to reclaim Markarth. Ingmund's father then ordered Ulfric to conquer Markarth. Ulfric and his militia won, driving the Reachmen out of Markarth. Some Reachmen abandoned their kinsmen, and blended in with the Nordic society. Others did not abandon worship of the Old Gods. Instead, they became 'The Forsworn.' In Madanach's words, they would "Cut a bloody hole in The Reach" until they had their land back. The Forsworn are just misunderstood, not evil. I rest my case with this final quote: You want to know who the Forsworn are? We are the people who must pillage our own land. Burn our own ground. We are the scourge of the Nords. The axe that falls in the dark. The scream before the gods claim your soul. We are the true sons and daughters of the Reach." ―Cortoran. Considering the Nords were in Skyrim before the Bretons (which the Reachmen are) crawled out of their Aldemeri test tubes, that tale is nothing more but pure propaganda. Reachmen aren't Bretons, they're a separate race. Besides, look on a the timeline (which, by the way, is here on the wiki). Everything I have said is on there. If you think Skyrim belongs to the Nords, the let the Reachmen have their land. Even if you won't give then their land, at least let them worship their gods for crying out loud!!! P.S. These are my views, and you do not need to believe them. The Reachmen page calls them Bretons, they're Bretons in-game too as the Palace chef is upset at being mistaken for a reachman but was born in Highrock.

LOL! Let the reachmen worship their gods! GOOD ONE! Yeah!...because the last time we let Daedra worshippers run around willy nilly it turned out SO WELL! Okay, I admit that the oblivion crisis wasn't a happy time, but come on, it's their religion. Besides, it literally says that they have the blood of Daedra, Mer and other races that lived in Tamriel before the Nords. Besides here is proof that Reachmen are a separate race. It literally says that Nepos the Nose is an Elder Reachman, not an Elder Breton. That's like saying Khajiit and Ka Po'Tun are the same race. And besides, not all of them worship the same Daedra. In fact some of them worship Aedra. Besides, not all Daedra worshippers are evil. Take Serana for example. She worships Molag Bal for crying out loud. But she's not a murderous killer wanting to end life on Nirn, is she? Not all Daedra worshippers are killers. You're assuming an entire religion/race is evil. The companions worship Hircine, and they're not evil. The Thieves Guild worship Nocturnal, and they don't murder random people. I rest my case.