User talk:Balagog gro-Nolob/Archive1

Draugr
Of course - my mistake. Apologies, not thinking straight today.

Jimeee (talk) 10:43, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hi again
I believe Quest Characters for any game is no longer a valid category.

Jimeee (talk) 11:37, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Bots
Hey there! Saw the message you left on Timeoin's talk page and though I could help. Unfortunately, Tim's not very active anymore, so he might not be able to respond to you in a timely manner. At any rate, yes, bots need to be set up on different accounts with the account being identified as a bot account on its userpage. Before the bot can start editing, the operator or an admin needs to contact Wikia to have the account flagged as a bot account, with a link to a formal discussion that the bot was deemed necessary by the community. At present, we currently have three bots which you can query for edits. They are Veetor, DwemerBot, and URL. For more information, read Wikia's policy on bots: here. Hope this helps! -- 12:08, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Weapons
I would assume they would have an Appearance since they are in the games, and all the games added and removed weapons and armor. So im guessing yes that they need that. When people start loging into the Wiki's IRC ill ask around get a clear yes or no on that matter. For now just leave those on the articles.

Keep up the good work

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:55, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hey again, this is what Jimee said about the wepons "the appearances section is not against the rules - it's nice to have but should never be deleted"

hope this helps you more

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 09:06, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Dar
Hey there! I couldn't help but notice a conflict occurring between you and Dar'Rajhin. You said that he was using a bot, correct? I assume you have some sort of proof to support these allegations. This could be a serious issue. -- 07:29, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the mean time, please refrain from badgering him for proof of his innocence. This could be viewed as harassment which violates our policies and guidelines. No editor comes here to be belittled. Although it is frustrating to deal with people removing your comments, please try to handle this in a civil manner. Thank you. -- 07:33, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

False Accusations
Please refrain from posting false accusations of inappropriate use on my talk page.

If you did not already know, bots are software applications that run automated tasks over the Internet. Typically, bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive, at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone.

My edits and uploads are of my own, this is made clear through my use of the summary of my edits.

Thanks for your time; hopefully future notices on your behalf are of good nature. Dar&#39;Rajhin (talk) 07:31, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Please do not continue arguing with Dar. The wiki's staff will handle this issue from here. We are determined to reach a solution by means possible. Thank you. -- 07:51, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

IRC
If you get the chance, please come to the chat room. Some of the other staff members and I would like to ask you some questions about what's been going on lately. -- 08:02, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Balagog

We still need to talk to you on the IRC, we assume when Deyvid asked you to join us there you logged off so dont worry.

When you get there, please look for myself, Deyvid, G0LD3NF1RE, and/or Jimeee. if none of us are on the IRC please wait for one of us before talking about this, we want to handle this without everybody getting involved

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 09:14, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Men
That happens if you leave in apostrophes for italics, since the template automatically italicizes everything. It can also happen if you accidentally remove a [ ] bracket on one of the links in the quote. -- 02:34, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Dear Balagog, could you please stop adding those categories to pages. Categories like Dawnguard: Weapons and Skyrim: Weapons. These categories are already added to the article through the infobox placed on the article, there's no need to also add them manually. Kennyannydenny (talk) 09:01, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

We Know
We Know - The Dark Brotherhood
 * Thanks! Kennyannydenny (talk) 09:06, June 27, 2012 (UTC)



Hey
You're username + page made my day xD kat 08:12, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Main page
Yeah, i'll fix that. Thanks.

Jimeee (talk) 14:28, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Hi there Balagog. I'm not really a great fan of this tone, to be honest. To me it seems that you're, once again, subtly trying to accuse him of using AutoWikiBrowser or some other kind of bot software.

If this isn't the case, then excuse me for jumping to conclusions - But I think you'll admit, it doesn't seem great.

For me personally, this is no longer about the accusation itself, but more about the fact that you've disregarded our requests of you to drop this issue. Whether any reply was received from Wikia or not I don't know, but what I do know is that to me, these edits seem fine. Although he does do the same thing to a lot of pages, I think all he has is a browser that can open multiple tabs at a time, and a fast internet connection. The variation in what he does in a timespan to me also reaffirms the fact that he's not using a bot. The fact that he's also asked GramsJ on occasion to do bot-like tasks for him, also backs up his case. If you'd like to discuss this further, feel free to meet me on IRC ASAP, I'm online now.

Thanks, 10:08, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hey, Balagog! Looks like you've been doing a great job lately updating pages and fighting vandalism, but remember, when you revert an edit that is vandalism to report it on our notice board or leave a message on an admin's talk page. This ensure that we can issue a speedy block. Otherwise, the vandal gets away unnoticed. Thanks again! :D -- 11:53, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Shops
Hi. It's best to leave the shops categories for now. I'm still in the process of re-doing the whole thing, and cats like this may very well be redundant as Merchants and it's subs are what is more important.

Jimeee (talk) 11:04, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, don't add shops as its largely redundant when all the merchants categories are much more useful.


 * Jimeee (talk) 11:14, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Oblivion: Dark Brotherhood Quests
Apologies for reverting construction edits, such as the italics. They are difficult to see on the green background, I must admit. Either way. I reverted the edit because I didn't think it was necessary to make that change. I prefer for categories to be formatted this way as a matter of personal taste. Simply, I think saying "The following is..." is slightly redundant. It's like saying, "In this article, we will talk about...". It's already implied. -- 10:36, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Apostrophe edits
Hey Balagog,

I have noticed that you have been making alot of edits that all you have adding are Apostrophe's and other small things like that. While im glad you are fixing the grammar of the articles, im going to have to ask that you add more then that when you edit. While i trust its in good faith, doing nothing but following editors and adding Apostrophe's looks alot like badge hunting and that doesn't look good.

Again, i trust you arnt meaning to do that, but please add more to an article when you edit, in the long run it will help out the wiki more if contribute more

Thanks

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 03:40, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Like i said, i understand not every edit a person makes can be big, just try to do more then the italicizing of the game names from now on.

And as to following editors, we have had a few people in IRC that have said they believe you are following there edits. I myself have seen you edit multiple articles i had just edited. Im assuming that its more of you looking at the articles and seeing if there is anything you can add then you stalking anybody, so i apologize for how i said that above.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 03:55, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

We would prefer larger edits, and changing Hyperlinks is larger change then Italicizing.

If you want to help with articles, pick a category you can help with and make it a goal to fix it, there are a few category's we have that need to be worked on that you could help with. I know i few that are always in need of help.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 04:15, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Image
They need there own template, ill Talk with our template people and see what it would take to get those made.

Also, as a FYI. Unlike the other categorys that auto-update, this list only does it once a day. so if you do alot of updates you will still see those images there for awhile. you can also leave images that are not being used alone, most of them will be deleted in the next few weeks.

and images that are only being used on User walls get the template {User-image}}

I think thats everyhting i forgot to tell you

Later

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 19:18, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
-- 00:01, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Requested Images Renamed
Hey, just to let you know, i have renamed all the images you requested to be done so on Cheatcodechamp's Talk Page. Rather than doing this, it be even better to apply the {move} template to the image in question. Also be sure to mark images that are taken with a camera pointed at the screen for deletion since these images are against wiki guidelines.

Keep up the good work on the image templates. Dar&#39;Rajhin (talk) 12:11, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Talk Page
I've seen that you had made changes to my user talk page and i will ask you to not touch the past conversation, whatever is your reason. It is for my personal archives. Thanks Philgo95 (talk) 18:35, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ok it's fine for this. Philgo95 (talk) 03:54, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Howcome you weren't carrying Volendrung when I sliced your throat and pushed you in the river? Chainsoar (talk) 14:37, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

2nd person
Greetings, We were looking at some of your edits and couldn't help but notice all the instances of 2nd person you didn't correct. We assume you know that, per this Wiki's policy, 1st and 2nd person are not to be used, (quotations from journal entries, books or actual NPC lines excepted, of course). Perhaps you might want to review some of your older edits. Just say'n...DarthOrc (talk) 04:22, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Nomination
I rather think you should expect a patroller status soon- you have been nominated on The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Patrollers, and you are receiving lots of support!

Congrats on becoming ninth on the Wiki, after so long in tenth place! Just thought I should point out that the Conjuration Training page requires journal entries. I would have done this myself when I corrected it's template usage, but I have not done the quest myself, so for the sake of correctness, I thought someone with expertise should do this.

Volknur (talk) 05:54, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. Signing the above - Alin Carter (talk) 19:02, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Bugs and voting
Hello there, fellow TESWikian! A few things to discuss with you. First, I have recently made a proposition for the formatting of Bugs on articles. I would greatly appreciate your opinion and suggestions here: F:CT:Flagging bugs. Additionally, two new TESWikians are applying for staff positions. If you have not yet voted, please do at the rollbacker page and the News Team talk page. And give your opinions on Balgog and Senjai. Talos guide you, friend. :D -- 06:54, August 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the copied and pasted message Deyvid, I'll check out the forum.
 * 06:59, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

RE:News blog
Yes, it's true the News Team is supposed to write the news blogs, but look around... when was the last time you saw a news blog posted from the News Team, which consists of one person? I'm leaving it for now, as it is breaking information and it's not poorly written. I'll let Deyvid handle it if he thinks otherwise. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  00:36, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguating the attention templates
Thanks for the help with disambiguating the Attention templates. It's looking a lot more organized now. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  06:36, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Sixteen votes in the positive, and you are a patroller. The third one I have personally had the honor of "knighting" into the "order". Now, you don't have to look at it like a ball-and-chain, but there are certain things that are expected of you, if you wish to be listed along with the other active patrollers. You can read more about a patrollers duties at TES:PATROL. By default, all patrollers are given custodian tools. Learn more about those here F:CT:Informing you all - Custodian usergroup. Congratulations! Use your tools well! :) -- 05:05, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Congrats Balagog! I am glad that my nomination was successful and I am sure you will be an excellent patroller! It's about time you became one, so have fun... patrolling! Alin Carter (talk) 18:45, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Armor categories
*high fives!* Awesome job with the armor categories. You've been a huge help! Keep up the good work. For now, I'm turning in. The IRC is still broken, otherwise I would've approached you there. I have a question concerning the categories we've just made. Names. Boots and greaves seem too specific for our purposes here. I was thinking of changing them to "footwear" and "legwear". Thoughts? Additionaly, armor will be somewhat troublesome since gauntlets and pauldrons come in singles, not pairs like the boots do. So, should we have separate categories for "Left Gloves" and "Right Gloves" and "Left Pauldrons" and "Right Pauldrons"? Or, should we lump them all together? Suppose the former is a bit much, ya? One last quibble. Gloves? Gauntlets? Webseter tells me "Handwear" is a word. Should we go for that? Headgear, Handwear, Footwear, Legwear, Pauldrons, Cuirasses, and Shields? -- 09:42, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not working properly. Something must have crashed server-side. Go there. No one can get operator rights. There are no bots and almost no one is in there, because of it. Jay and I were there a few seconds ago. We were the only ones. I tried using some simple commands and the chat client told me that NickServ was down. -- 09:57, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * If the intention is to order all sorts of footwear (armor and clothing) into once category - is then this different from the original intention mentioned on the CT that was for armor only. The question that should be asked is how much actual use to the readers is lumping all possible types of handwear into one catagory. I can see the argument for Skyrim: Gauntlets for people who wear armor to be look for gear, what use is mixing clothing items in there?


 * It was mentioned that this form of categorisation cant be "too specific", so to make it specific it would be more along the lines of Skyrim: Gauntlets for armor and Skyim: Gloves (or whatever) for clothing. These would then go into the larger category of Skyrim: Handwear.
 * Jimeee (talk) 10:17, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings, B G-N
I wonder why The Elder Scrolls isn't a book series. A fourth of the time it does live of of Name-Plaigerism, and..... ....wierdness.

Examples: "Wilderland" (a place in Middle-Earth), "King Edward", the idea of planets, the idea of steam-powered robots (Golems, I guess), the "Blackwood (Sherlock Holmes villain) Company", etc.

Well, I guess when your'e playing the games you don't have to notice all that stuff. Sometimes things can be irrelovent. HiddenVale (talk) 00:53, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Want Some Help?
I noticed you are doing a lot of editing with categories, would you like me to help? If not it is fine.

— Gleek obsessed 04:22, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

UESP
The page you recently edited - Thaden Ralas - was UESP content. Please keep an eye out for this, especially new pages.

Jimeee (talk) 10:40, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
I just noticed the article was in desperate need of a expansion, and I tried my best to expand it. Sorry if it caused any trouble. 00:25, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

"***Another way to get the mead If the bottle falls through the box is to set your crosshair at an angle facing downward to where the bottle is and repeatedly jump, while moving forward to keep from moving further from the box, and push action to grab the bottle. The words Dragon Beath Mead will show on the screen when you jump as any other item you want to pick up and that'll be your chance to attempt to grab it. You'll know you'll have it when the quest completes and/or the white arrow showing where it is disappears. I hope this helps. "-This bug was allready at the page, it wasn´t part of my changing, you can put it back, but thanks any way for the help

User Images
Hey, it's me, the Milkman. I'm the one with all the extra images on my user page. I have a question; would those images be OK if they were also being used on a blog post?

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 10:46, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I don't mean to be rude or criticise you, but I don't get the correction you made to the Silus page. Maybe you could explain why it is supposed to be like that. Thank you

OblivionWalker (talk) 00:47, September 18, 2012 (UTC) OblivionWalker

Hi, i have a question about the correction you made to the Silus page, if you could just tell me why it is supposed to be like that i would appreciate it. Thank you

OblivionWalker (talk) 00:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC) OblivionWalker

Ok, thank you, that does make sense.

OblivionWalker (talk) 11:23, September 18, 2012 (UTC)OblivionWalker

MOTM and Relink Articles
Hey Balagog.

First, Congrats on being nominated for member of the month, its about time that happened.

Second, i have been wanting to reduce the number of articles with excess Redlinks but looking at it just overwhelms me at the idea of how many articles we would need to make. I was wondering if you would like to help so the work load is reduced. You dont need to help if you don't want to, and you can quit at any time of you start, i just thought that it would be a good job to get done and your one of the few editors who i seen online anymore.

Happy Editing

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:30, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Helping
Hi Balagog, I was wondering if there was any skyrim pages that you know of that I could help work on? Thanks, OblivionWalker (talk) 00:21, September 19, 2012 (UTC) OblivionWalker

Unmarked locations
Not really as it would be copyright violation - an original desc is preferred. I guess just mark them with an attention template.

Jimeee (talk) 10:30, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Frost Resistance(Skyrim)
Hey, I was wondering if you could look at the Frost Resist(Skyrim) page. I added to it, and I think it might be enough to get it off the "stub" list, but I wanted to have it double checked by you. Thanks, OblivionWalker (talk) 23:24, September 19, 2012 (UTC)OblivionWalker

Yes, I'm alive
Of course I'm alive. :P So, how are thing around here? I'm on the IRC right now, chatting with a few of the others. Earlier, I chatted with Timeoin on Twitter. He said he might start editing soon, and I thought I'd see how things were here. You should get on, if you can ;P -- 04:20, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

UESP
Thanks for letting me know and thanks for keeping an eye on things.

Jimeee (talk) 09:50, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Bold
It may be a wikipedia convention, but we don't have anything in our guidelines about it. Who says we need follow every one of their guidelines?

There are a million other things worth worrying about on the wiki than this. If it bothers you that much feel free to change it back.

Jimeee (talk) 10:26, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Re: December
We have already decided on the FA for December, it's going to be the Touching the Sky (Quest) page. Jimeee is going to update everything tomorrow, including MOTM. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  07:08, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Pinged out
Sorry, I pinged out after you asked me if i played dragons dogma and it wouldnt let me back in.

And im sorry to say i haven't played it. Is it any good?

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 04:58, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Blockquote
I have come up with a new blockquote tag, as the old one is buggy. Please use from now. See Served Cold. Thanks. Jimeee (talk) 11:16, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Edit Revert
Hey. I noticed you reverted my edit here and I was just stopping by to ask what exactly was the problem with it? I'm not disputing your revert. As a Patroller after all, I can trust you know what your doing. But I'd just like to know what was wrong (as to not do that in the future). Yet, if I could make the argument, not only did I seem to brighten up and shorten the image in the infobox, but I used a previously unused file, and ensured I did not make more in my actions. Again, just to be sure for next time :P Thanks in advance. Yours Always; --The Old World Relics  (talk/blog/contributions) 09:18, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks for the speedy reply. I'll keep that in-mind for my future edits. And monthly? Jesus, that allows them a hell of a time to accumulate. Personally I'd do weekly, and only after they all have been checked because some of them are actually good images IMO. But that's just me. Anyways, thanks again for the speedy reply and happy editing! --The Old World Relics  (talk/blog/contributions) 09:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Appearances
Think about it for a second - when has the same quest ever appeared in a game twice? Never. It's totally redundant and serves no purpose.

It makes sense to use appearances for weapons or characters, but not for quests.

Jimeee (talk) 09:49, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * We were all told a lot of stuff that didn't make sense when we started. Remember overarching categories? Yes, some templates may include it, but I'll fix those eventually.


 * I remove appearances from quest pages on sight as it makes no sense to have them there.


 * Jimeee (talk) 09:59, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Morrowind category issues
I saw your message on Jimeee's talk page, and we are well aware of the issues revolving around the Morrowind: part being removed from categories upon saving the page. It's already been addressed with Wikia and they are having their engineers work on a fix for it. Obviously it hasn't been fixed yet. The categories for Morrowind will only display correctly if the page is saved while using the MonoBook skin. So, it's a temporary solution for adding back in the categories that get stripped. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  03:06, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Inappropriate Content
An inappropriate photo was posted by a REGSRER recently. I could not find a convenient link or process to report said photo, so based on your position as patroller, I thought it might be effective to let you know. 153.90.169.112 15:49, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

IRC
Hey Balagog,

Did you try to get onto #TESWiki/Staff yesterday? I think you got banned because you weren't on the permitted list of patrollers. Kroq-gar78 (talk) 02:21, May 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah. Well, Tomb and I talk every other day on the channel now. I'm also usually on IRC nowadays (when I'm awake :P) Kroq-gar78 (talk) 03:11, May 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I mean the regular channel, #TESWiki, not the staff channel. Kroq-gar78 (talk) 03:11, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Could you have a look at this page for me and decide weather it should be deleted, It does not make any sense and in my opinion looks rediculous.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Unique_Items_(Skyrim)

Balagog Gro
Seems people are stealing your name :P Balagog-gro-kickass  23:00, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Untitled
Could you find out who vandalised this page and ban them please

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Grelod_the_Kind

Re:Authors
Yeah, I see that Oblivion: Authors only exists and there are only 5 listed. The Authors category isn't really that large either, but like you said, they're missing some. If you can find 10-15 authors from each game who make an appearance in the game, then we can separate them by game.

Most authors listed on the Authors page don't need to have individual pages though, since not much is known about them other than they are the author of such-and-such book, and many of the books span across multiple games, but the author is never seen in the game, those authors shouldn't be separated by game. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  18:36, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, characters who wrote journals or letters shouldn't be in the category. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  23:50, June 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, things like letters, notes, and journals should already be linked on pages like Books_(Skyrim)/Journals and Books_(Skyrim)/Letters, so removing them from Authors wouldn't create orphaned pages. It seems odd to have those characters listed on the authors page for writing a letter or jorunal, gratned they are authors of thier notes, letters, and journals, it still just doesn't fit. Authors should apply to those that actually wrote a book. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  23:11, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

How come when I searched for that book I could not find it and when I Hyperlinked the text in the article I created it came up red.

Remember your mind is the best weapon you have (talk) 21:33, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Project
I would like to start a project on the wiki and I am wondering how I start one and how to get the under construction box on pages I am working on (If that is allowed)

Remember your mind is the best weapon you have (talk) 12:06, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reprting Vandalism
Drem Yol Lok, greetings.

I recently found this vandaled page (Elixir of Destruction) on Dec. 5 2013, when I tried to report the page I ended up empty-handed, so I looked for the active patroll list, I decided to send this to you at random.

The link:

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Elixir_of_Destruction

This is the user that may have bandaled the page, but at firt I saw a "Wikia conrtibutor" as the editor and later saw this user. "Crazy 131"

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Crazy131

Thank you for your time.

Scarkan (talk) 23:23, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I handled this. -- 23:35, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

grammar
thanks Equillibrium (talk) 03:36, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Dragonborn vs. Skyrim Characters
Why aren't Dragonborn characters Skyrim characters as well? I see that many of the characters I edited were already in the "Skyrim: Essential Characters" category, so I assumed that it was an oversight to leave them out of the overall "Skyrim: Characters" category (after all, Dragonborn is a DLC for Skyrim). Otherwise, shouldn't we remove all "Skyrim: XXX" categories from these articles and create Dragonborn eqiuivalents? Alteratively, if you are worried about them showing up in the Skyrim character lists, maybe we should figure out a way to tag them with "DB" (like I've seen done with "DG" for Dawnguard) on those lists? Cubears (talk) 06:16, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Chat.js or Chat.css
Hey Balagog,

We're having a problem with either the Chat.js or the Chat.css, in which it is not displaying the green star for admins. This started to malfunction when I added "Deyvid_Petteys" to the page. Any ideas what went wrong? Thanks. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  01:38, December 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. xD — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  01:55, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Vote
Sir, please archive your talk page. Also, your opinion is requested here. Thank you and happy editing! :) -- 23:58, December 13, 2013 (UTC)