User blog comment:Zippertrain85/Dawnguard Follow up./@comment-17114085-20131216013719/@comment-17114085-20131225041713

I really don't know Zip, Bethesda contradicts themselves sooooo much I'm really really confused. First they say Ysgramor started the Nordic Empire, but then they say Harald claimed independence from Atmora, meaning Ysgramor couldn't have started the Nordic Empire as he was a vassal of the Ruler of Atmora. It's all just a huge mess and some retcons are needed to explain things.