Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-25100715-20140720140317

"The Stormcloaks are not criticised for being ignorant, racist and stupid for the sole reason of opposing the Empire. Ignorant and stupid? Yes, but the racism is far more because of their views towards and treatment of other races, rather than the Empire. Again, people do not support the Empire simply for a nostalgia thrill, but because of its metaphysical important in the battle against the Thalmor which is much more than a simple, petty war for territorial gain, but an ideological, spiritual and even divine battle over the course of the universe, one in which the Empire is integral. The Stormcloaks, on the other hand, out of all of the factions, are the only mundane and, really, on the scale of things, insignifcant (excluding their disruption to the greater powers, that is) faction."

I dont see how the stormcloaks are "ignorant and stupid" just because they want to leave an empire that can no longer defend its land. thats like not wanting to be in a neighborhood overrun with crime with little assistance from law enforcement anymore. no point in staying there if its not helping be a good enviornment for you and your family.



"Comparing events in TES to the real world never works out. Every culture is a mixture of original ideas and influences from a multitude of cultures. It would be rather ignorant of the history of Cyrodiil and the Empire to simply put them down as 'Romans'."

but they are, all fictional empires are based on real life ones, Tamriel is no exception. you cannot deny the comparision the team is making between the Septim Empire and the Roman Empire towards its end, that is also ignorant to ignore.and Tamriel definitely doesnt need an Imperial run Empire in order to succeed. hammerfell realized this, christ Hammerfell beat back the Dominion by itself, Morrowind and black Marsh beat back an Akaviri invasion too proving an Empire is not needed all the time. strong independant nations working together in times of need seem like a better idea then being part of a corrupt and broken empire. Even a Nord Led Empire would not be bad, they lead the first human Empire and Talos (a Nord) founded the second Empire obviously they are great leaders. just a thought. with that said i do think its a bit of Nostalgia creeping in to some long time fans, they like the empire and dont want to see it dissolve or get replaced its a normal human mindset, to fear changes.



"Yeah, I suppose a Dominion dominated Tamriel might be favourable, if you don't mind the Thalmor unravelling Creation to return to a primordial, Dawn state of divinity (which, to be fair, you might)."

i dont disagree with that but my point was a DOminion NOT run by the Thalmore, but by say, a group of nobles or a king or queen.

"In all seriousness, though, the Dominion has probably been far better than the Empire was for Elsweyr, who likely did not understand the needs of the Khajiit nearly as much. Despite their attempts to incorporate Elsweyr into the fold, the Dominion seems to have treated the Khajiit better, and viewed them much higher than the Empire did."

true didnt even think of that, plus not to mention while they treated the beast people well, the Imperials did nothing to negotiate with the Dark Elves or even try to talk to them about how bad them enslaving Argonians and Khajit was. if they got a few points across tand the Dark Elves listened maybe Morrowind getting raided by pissed off Argonians woudlnt have happened