Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-23980652-20131210211411/@comment-13446185-20131212064121

DERPINGAWESOME wrote: It's a new town that can support its food needs and with the war, Whiterun may need to stop defending this town because of the war, they have to hire mercanaries to protect them, they need to have more materials so they start a mine and logging industries, more people come into the town for the needed jobs, then after a while they become there own hold. Also I was talking about a time after the events of skyrim not online (I also know online will be 1000 years before skyrim) That was just what I tried to say. I've already said that it just doesn't work like that.

"Also it simply does not work the way you say it does. In feudalism land=power, no Jarl would willingly let a new un-vassalized (except to the High Kingdom) hold form out of their lands" 

-Me

Also according to this picture



-Annals of the Dragonguard

This means that the borders have been identical since at least 1E 2800.

It is obvious that the holds are drawn out of traditional de jure boundries, and probably will remain that way.