Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-24325144-20141001194150/@comment-3293219-20141002200949

I've been thinking about this, over the last few days and to be honest, this could have been handled better.

The fact is; that the current admins/mods inherited the wiki, not just the main space but the community aspect as well. The RPing community, whether people like it or not has been here for around two years now (as far as I can tell, it's around that at least) and has had it's own space for a year now. Hell, it was this time last year, Timeoin often said that he loved it and even went as far as to give RPers their own section http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:412896

I bring this up, because, I think that this is more than evidence that we are a part of the community. We edit, a lot of us daily and though they may not be the edits people appreciate/like, people do make daily contributions to the wiki, usually for other people. They dedicate a lot of time and effort into adding content to this wiki and I think that's deserving of some sort of mutual respect. Unfortunately though, I don't feel like I've been treated like a member of the community but rather than a cancerous lump, that festers on it.

I think, that this whole vote and divide between the RP community and the mainspace-focussed users could have been avoided if we were simply informed that RPing was causing a problem. Instead, we were simply told that we have to go and predictably, that caused a lot of people to get defensive.

The fact that the admins pretty much announced that they planned to move or reform us, without any real consultation really doesn't forebode well, I think that if we had been given some time to discuss the ways around the problem that it clogs up the news feed, then maybe we could have come to the conclusion of CCC's compromise sooner and without splitting a massive divide in the community.

The RP community is by no means innocent here, in fact I've been rather disgusted with some of the name dropping, flaming, accusations amongst other things and quite honestly, there have been plenty of times where I've just seen tons of rabble that doesn't really help our case. I'm not going to lie, if it truly does clog up the news feed, then that is a problem as the mainspace is the central purpose of the wiki and I think that some of us, including myself, could have been a little more respectful of that.

Honestly, this isn’t' an attack on the admins as I've only just seen this myself and it's the lesson that came with many days of division between one half of the community and another. I think that, really, this problem should have been solved as a community and that it still can be.

Considering how much of a divide there is, I doubt that this vote will be a solution, never mind an end to this debate. From the looks of things, the RPing community appears to be 'winning' the vote but I don't know if I could honestly call it a 'victory.' It reminds me of that World War One "Curious! I seem to hear a child weeping" cartoon, this is just going to cause major problems later down the line, if we don't reach a consensus that makes everybody happy. The feed problem will still be a problem, if things continue as they are and I think that, the problem can be solved with CCC's compromise to turn the RP section into the central hub for a RP network.

I honestly am, on recollection, seeing this as the best solution for everyone but only if it is done on the RPer's terms, that we are able to slowly integrate this over the next few months and to fully establish the network before making it policy. Test its strengths, weaknesses and be given a chance to iron out any problems that the transfer may incur. I think that it will benefit the RP community as it won't technically be leaving the wiki but its presence here will be significantly reduced, the threads stay archived, no chance of data loss and the RP community will grow into a major network, which will be bigger and stronger and the wiki won't lose the RPers as members.

This wiki would be best served as the place to propose RP premises and then the actual RPs could take place elsewhere. Giving the individual users the choice as to whether or not they do want to RP on that wiki. As discussed before, a link to the RP wikis would be placed on the main page, so that people may be redirected.

The mainspace wins, because the RP related posts will be significantly reduced over the next few months and I'm sure that you can handle the occasional RP premise or character card on the feed every few days, right? You'd get the benefits of having the community here but you would rarely hear from it as RPs aren't created all that often.

I don't think that we should be using this time to one-up each other, rather than trying to use it as a time to make compromise and I personally think that this is the best compromise that will most likely easy community-wide tensions.

I don't wish to speak for everybody, so if anyone, on either side disagrees with this, I'd like to know but I honestly think that this would be the best solution for everyone and I hope that maybe we could work towards a solution that works for everyone, instead of falling out over this.