Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-66.177.58.176-20140121224654/@comment-99.110.74.145-20161001052708

176.43.78.234 wrote: Of course the Altmer can't make the moons dissappear. It's not like they open portals to oblivion or make Arteum disappear for 500 years then return or freeze time or anything. I bet the Psijics are big liars too. Hail Ulric Stormcloak and Talos our saviors!!111 1st The psijics are not with the Thalmor, and are not exclusivly altmer. 2nd Artaeum is a island, we are talking moons here. 3rd The Thalmor did not open planes to oblivion. Though the leader of the group that did, the mythic dawn, was indeed altmer. However they were only able to do so once the barriers between oblivion and nirn were weakened enough to do so. To do that they had to kill the emperor of tamerial so the dragon fires would go out. Then try to kill all his heirs and steal the amulet of kings to where they could not be relit. Also I am pretty sure they had the help of a daedric prince(Dagon) to achive all of this. He even had towers in his realm that used the sigil stones in them to help keep the portal's open. Heck to even aquire a sigil stone you need daedric assistance as well. So they had a ton of daedric assistance from the daedra and Dagon in general to even open the oblivion gates. 4th As far as the moons go, they are lorkhans body, in other words they are the realm of a dead god. The only reason they are visable and perceived to have a shape or size is because lorkhan is dead. It is hard to say what would make them unable to be seen. However some wild theorys are that the hero of kvatch is the reincarnation of lorkhan and that them becomeing sheogorath, whom was created from the spark of lorkhan, allowed them to "reclaim" their realm eventually for a short time. Thus making the moons disappear for a time.

In the end regardless, it is more likely that either some unknown event took place to make them disapear or the Thalmor somehow blocked them out with clouds via magic than it is that they just made two entire moons disapear without the psijics help.

Oh and also, in regards to talos. The Thalmor claiming he is not a god is a lie, much like how they closed the oblivion gates and ended the oblivion crisis is a lie as well. In order to open the portal to Mankar Camoran's Paradise, Martin Septim required four items. The first being a great welkynd stone. The second being a great sigil stone. The third being the blood of a daedric lord, in other words the essence of a daedric lord, to which their artifacts are comprised of. Then the last being the blood of the divines. They used the blood of tiber septim, in other words talos, in order to open the portal. It worked. It would not have worked, if he was not a divine. Thus just one of many lies the Thalmor tell.