Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-25513154-20150617044940

College Mage: Ferris

Put your parts in bold, faster to identify ur points.

"You're starting off with some awfully big assumptions there, because 1) The LDB doesn't have to go with Ralof"

'''Stop right there. Would he go with Hadvar? Even knowing that (Hadvar) could have gone and told General Tullius and said this persons not on the list. (notice just this one thing, would permentally scare someone.)  '''

Stockholm syndrome. Tsk tsk. (but honeslty would u have gone with Hadvar?)

"There is never a time in which you have to kill Thalmor, named or unnamed,"

'''Um- Ancano,  Estormo, Captain Valmir, Agent Lorcalin ( for ELISIF horn quest), j'datharr, Gissur (IF u didn't kill him. He's a spy so u have to kill him or he follows you in the flagon lol), Shavari, The thalmore in the Sewers oh and the thalmore everywhere else. (Theres a reason why the player got wuuthrad) cough denial.'''

"The LDB is given the option to completely eradicate the Dark Brotherhood."

''' U can't fully destroy them, because of beths bias of not killing ki.ds and u can't kill cicero (he's essentail and still alive) And lastly The night mother is still alive...many other situation where the player could meet her. (plus everyone in the guild seems to  ' die  ' either way, only a couple or so survive. The only person thats was really needed is the ldb.) '''

"Officially sided with Ralof, killed Thalmor, and the Emperor."

The repeated hints that are layed out (Wuuthrad, killing hundreds of elfs)''', the ck, beths Bias and the game making more sense on the terms of a canon nord. Arcadia calls the player a nord even when not a nord. The fact that he has to kill all these elfs. Lastly Beth said that the war quest isn't finished, but if it was finished the in game data shows that they are planning on recking the corpse of the empire. '''

"Doing what the Stormcloaks want, when killing the emperor. The Emperor's death at the hands of the LDB isn't official... recorded history come the next game may stated he was assassinated, which is inevitable however, it will never state it was directly because the dragonborn killed them."

Sigh- Do u remember how the guards state and mention

"Try to hide it all you want. I know you're in the Thieves Guild... and so do the other guards."

 "Psst. Hey, I know who you are. Hail Sithis!"

"It ain't true what they say about you and... and the Dark Brotherhood? Is it?"

"Now, I know who you are. And... and I know your business... Just, please... These are good folk we got here. Mostly..."

"Hey! You're the one who killed Alain Dufont, up in Raldbthar. Oh yeah, word about that got around. Man was a piece of bandit trash, is what I hear."

"Hey! You're the one who killed Alain Dufont, up in Raldbthar. Oh yeah, word about that got around. Man was a piece of bandit trash, is what I hear."

(Imperials admit they their sloppy)

"Look, that Vici woman had a bodyguard. I know it's terrible she got murdered at her own wedding, but the city guard is hardly to blame..."

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">"There was some ruckus over by that weird black door. You weren't involved in that craziness, were you?"

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">"Wait, I know you. You went into the Emperor's Tower, just before... before his decoy was murdered..."

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">"The guards have been saying things about you... That you're the one that... Well... They say the Dark Brotherhood... Well. Never mind. Sir/Ma'am."

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">"There are stories about you, and dark tidings in  Dawnstar<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">..."

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">(at this point they know)

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">"There are some that say the Dark Brotherhood is back, and stronger than ever. That they've made Dawnstar their home. Tell me - am I wrong?"

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;background-color:initial;">"ALSO you could be a member of the Dark Brotherhood and still side with the Empire"

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:26px;">Wow the treason, i am so (not) surprised 

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"So it's not like you're doing the Stormcloaks any favors by killing the Emperor, you're infact doing more damage really... Ulfric states they cannot stand against an Empire invasion in full force"

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">um-bro- once you kill the Emp the empire is in a storm of decal. As i stated before about the chaos going on in cyrodill. They can't even handel themselves and the Thalmore down there. Plus at that point Ulfric hasn't seen the Ldb take down armies of bandits or thalmore before. He may have gotten word but brushed it off. (u keep forgetting the wars breaking out in cyrodill, bandits running about, thalmore and such) bloody place is in ruin. Theres nothing at that moment that can save them. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"1 legion at the moment. You can't discredit what he says simply because you feel it's bad writing. It's fact. He says it... Even Ulfric knows the Emperor's death in Skyrim would do more damage in the long run, when he's trying to just gain independence."

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Link me that dial for him. Also the long run doesn't exist if humans are all wiped out. Secondly Even Tiber septim told the Neveraine that the empire was about to die when he dies. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Wulf  and http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulf '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"THAT is what would bring the wrath of the Empire down on them. The fact that it would be Ulfric who personally caused her death." '''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">The empire can't controll there own capital and their own curroption. Their army is dead and trying to spread themselves out throughout the lands just like the Dominion. They are both in a weak state. The stormcloaks are just getting started and already can hold off the legion govn for the "rest of the game." '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">~What exactly is the point you're making about the other races? The Dark elves have an argonian problem, and dealing with the red mountain issue, it's keeping them from the great war, I dont see how this is relevant to anything I said... You and Phantasys both mention a great debt to be paid, where is it this debt is being mentioned that High Rock has to pay?

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;"> Do u know the dark elves are targeted by the thalmore and just  <span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">just as much as  <span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">the nords/imperials that are being wiped out. Back on the home land obviouly there are rebillion in morrowind (and this goes for the rest of Tamrial) against the empire and the thalmore. By the way that Dept is the Dept of being 100% invovled with the Thalmore and the empire, there just as tramped  of country as Cyrodill and also added on to that they are divided because all ther castles and "rulers"  read the lore on high rock's people. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"NEVER anything about a debt or bribes."

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">link your sources. By the way thats impossible. but still link your sources. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Bosmer getting killed? what? they're working with the Dominion, and So are the Khajit! what is the point of this statement?! - so no rebellions exist then huh?

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">The empire sold it's soul for more air before getting crushed? WHAT? they signed a peace treaty to buy some time to prepare for "Great War 2 - How many years has it been- 20 plus and still the land is in ruin and ravaged.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">: Even Greater War" they weren't crushed. How is it you got back and fourth on the Empire being weak and crushed, and also claim they could have won the great war had they kept going? What are you talking about?!

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Sigh- If they kept going they would have been helped by the "Divines" or be destroyed because of there curroption. The test to see if they would break and they did. So there punishment was a slow painful death. Don't belive me read  Runil <span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">alduin was flying about in cyrodill he describes how alduin and the last dbh seems/if not the same while the great war was going on.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;"> " <span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">and since the Dragonborn has the option to join the Empire/Romans it still doesnt hold up too well."

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">The dragonborn if we are doing the (jesus parl) was killed by the empire and also he was a rebel. He went to sovngard (deaths bed and came back) and guess what if its that empire your picking up then u just pointed out how curropted they are. (Also he shouldn't have the option because the bounty from Elenwen and General Tullius would be over his head, they did repeativly see him. The dbh was supposed to go to the block with the rest of the stormcloaks) '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"Alduin destroying the world is its own separate thing altogether tho, and doesnt effect the civil war quest"

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Don't overlook it. Alduin was eating the soliders that died in the war. It's why the db had to go to sovngard. By the way the player didn't need to do that reduntant talk he did/could have end the war before and that peace talk was useless so. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">(lol alduin ate  torygg)

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">~I Like that this part starts with a condescending "did you really write that" followed by a vast misunderstanding of how a military hierarchy works. Tullius is 1 of the many generals... he is not THE Empire. Ulfric is referring to "the head" of the Empire occupant forces in Skyrim.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Yeah i might of sounded like that but for some odd reason thats the REAL govn of the millitary (was almost like that too) 

''' Research it. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"So, your proof of the entire empire being corrupt... is one woman... Maven, who's native to Skyrim... Let it also show that while her mafia style of handling business isn't "honorable" She is the major benefactor to the Theives Guild, and Riften's economy and Skyrim's mead supply. It could be argued the previous Jarl (who's a stormcloak supporter) was so inept and terrible at their job they ALLOWED Maven to act the way she does. Her connections to the Empire doesn't reflect the Empire as a whole. Having connections is just how you get rich... that's everyone in Tamriel.... SO... anyone else?"

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Read that over- oh and here

''Damn Tullius. He's pocketed men in the Rift. It's dangerous having Imperials skulking around on the southern border of Eastmarch."''

"Hjaalmarch isn't much, but it's a good start. I'll make a name for myself here, then maybe work my way up to someplace like Riften."<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">

She will be replaced for this yarl in Morthal. But the game isn't fin so stuff like this doesn't happen.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sorli_the_Builder

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ulfric_Stormcloak

''oh yeah Ulfric knows. And please read over anyone reading that can identify thats denial. She works with Elenwen thats all that need to be said.''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Read that over-

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">because what you're saying is the Thalmor taking people interrogate/torture to enforce the Talos ban, is what caused the civil war, before the Thalmor had the authority to enforce the ban....

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Thalmor start taking people to enforce the Talos Ban. It wasnt until he was let go, and caused the Markarth Incident that really sparked the Civil War

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">sigh- I know what it is, and thanks for double explaining that people were beening taking...you even gave an example. Oh and u also stated that it was before  the tower  was even captured. You see the thalmore already won that captial. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Below this was ranting 

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">It's friggin illegal to kill anyone!! Are you serious?! Start up Skyrim for me right now, fast travel to say... Riverwood... Find the first person, and kill them... Then tell me what happens.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">(stop cracking under pressure) If the player kills a thalmore around a stormcloak it isn't illegal. The player would be lucky to even get a proper hit in. But if u even touch a thalmore agent wrong around the imperials BOUNTY. They are puppets.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"hate them" W'''ho hates them? Plus my point was they were (Sheo was clearly a thieve/criminal because his map showed all places unlike the db. His logic for being arrest was clear he actually commit a crime/crimes)'''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"It's the dumbest, and simplist argument made... and We've always been prisoners...it's not new..its just how elderscrolls games start."

''' Do you speak for Db who was locked up for no reason by the empire? Or are u into that. Also wasn't the point of the start of the game to show the current situation and state of the empire? '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">~No I don't know how many people die per day "bro" could you be a friend and provide me with the solid evidence and statistics that show deaths per day in Skyrim? Also nice job skipping my point...

Reduntant but if u insist.

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);">Did you actually type that? This number comes from the fact that the empire and the Dominions soliders " collateral damage" plus the over killing of Talos worshippers, plus the thalmore/Imperial killing innocent people for fun. (remember those war stories of ra.pe and killing farmers for not having their way with the farmers childern or wife. THOSE ADD UP. '''

'''1000's dead because of this. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;"> I'll also ask again; Do you truly believe everyday there's an ambush to capture Ulfric, in which a single supposed innocent person is captured and killed? because if not then you'll have to concede my point that it doesn't happen.

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Um thats war, there are ambush for the leaders whent hey leave there holds. Did u actually type that again. Do get encounters in your game where there are battels everyday. look  http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Angeline's_Aromatics '''

''' Angelins daughter or when ralof and the player had to take out a carriage ambush style. '''

Beyond this u were pointlessly ranting (nice try though) (anyone reading ur  post can see that)

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"Collateral damage is corruption now? Oh man! Someone let Ulfric know then, since he sacs Whiterun and kills a lot of innocent people should you side with the Stormcloaks!"

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Do u mean P elagia, that imperial. '''

"I had my years of war and fighting. Senseless, all of it. All I want now is a rake and a patch of good soil."

Punishment from the "Divines' it happens everyday. notice how he said Senseless and he's human. He set himself up. You have to keep fighting evil if ur human.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"You misunderstood my point... -_-; I was saying."'''how about you read that over again and then read my post about it again. to much repeating going on. By the way my point also about the Yarls not being killed is that the game isn't finished. That Shouldn't happen in war.'''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"Hadvar not going aginst orders is corruption now too... good to know." I don't know if that was typed in rush but i went Hadvar is a puppet and could have easily told general Tullius about the person on the list.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"Are you really saying Hadvar and Maven are the same"

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">To anyone reading this- Did Hadvar have to option to tell general Tullius about a person not on the list. Did he follow CURROPT ORDERS from a next Soldier and follow through with it. Now whats the differenece between this person and Maven who would send people to kill the db for simple matter of talking incorrectly. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"  <span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">~You still dont provides any evidence other than what I can only assume, things you're making up based on your skewed view of the empire. Overkill of Talos worshipers? Oh like that priest int he middle of Whiterun, yelling at the top of his lungs about Talos?" '''Bug- he is supposed to be arrest if the imperials get the capital. It's just like Elenwen even if the db gets solitude.'''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">o.o what are you even talking about? evidence please... actual evidence not this nonsense you keep making up.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Maybe its because u...never mind here; 

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">hen asked if he's worried for his family because of the  war<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;"> and  dragons<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">, he'll explain:  "Of course. Every night I pray that we don't get a visit from a dragon, or that two armies don't show up to fight over the bridge. You ask if I'm worried? I'm terrified, if you want to truth of it. But I have to stay strong for my wife and children."<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;"> When you ask about mean people passing through, he'll rant:  ''"Both the Imperials and Stormcloaks have sent riders this way, scouting the bridge and the lands nearby. They stayed at the inn, but didn't pay. They said soldiers don't need to pay because they're risking their lives to protect us. And that's not all. They took a heap of our lumber, and one tried to have his way with my daughter. They think they can do whatever they want."''<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Azzada_Lylvieve - IMPERIALS BY THE WAY.

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Do YOU even know what you're trying to say anymore?

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Do u? I mean i am pointing out points ur just ranting notice that? properly not. '''

'''<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Morrowind Dark Elfs are HATED by the thalmore they are on the run just like the nords plus they are avoiding home because of the Argoinions and the red mountain ash. But back home they would obviouly have people that hate the thalmore because the thalmore hate them. '''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"Cicero is talking about the initial attack involved in the first great war! Again do more research... you need to get the timeline of events situated in your head better because you're mixing too much of it together."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Cicero

<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">He will then elaborate on why he took the long trip from  Cyrodiil<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;"> to  Skyrim<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">. "The Night Mother's crypt in Bravil was... desecrated. The Imperial Province is ravaged by strife. Nowhere there is safe, at present. So Cicero brought our Lady to her new home. get to reading that again

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"~So then... what you're really saying is."

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">( At this point after the war -the only thing that can be done is think on a battle plan, u should know that...guess not) 

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">DIE in that war... <span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;"> (Already dead)

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"for an alliance based on nothing but your own whim" (he can)

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"to "purge" the non existant occupation of Thalmor in Hammerfell" '''Spys and sell outs u do know they exist right. there are always quest for such things in war. '''

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Kematu

''The other noble houses discovered her betrayal and she fled. They want her brought back alive. The resistance against the Dominion is alive and well in Hammerfell, and they want justice."<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;"> When you tell him you are here to kill him, he will respond:  "Of course, sent by... what is it that she's calling herself these days? Shazra? Saadia?''

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">"Elsweyr and Valenwood are WILLING allies to the Thalmor This is what makes up the Dominion."

<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:26px;">Logic states; M '''alborn and OBVIOULY there are cat folk that hate the thalmore. (They would have little rebellions going on or even large ones)'''

Remember when Delphine state that Malborn had PLENTY of Reasons to hate the Thalmore.

'''Stop Ranting and get some point before posting. '''