User talk:GramsJ/Archive 3

Archive 1 Archive 2

Morrowind: Spells
Hmm, there is already a Morrowind: Spells category. I wouldn't worry too much about there not being images for Morrowind spells right now. I suppose an in-game image of the spell equipped in hand would be a good alternative. Also, there is a page called Spells (Morrowind) (it's incomplete). All the spells that you've come across in the CS should probably be listed there so these individual pages have something to link to, as it doesn't count as a page being linked just by categories. 19:12, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delayed response, I went out after my last message to you. About the Spells (Morrowind) page, I also can't directly access the history, but I was able to access it by adding "?action=history" at the end of the Morrowind (Spells) page. Seems as though Tim was the last person working on this page, but it was way back in March 5th, and there has been no progress since. So, I would say it's safe for you to work with it. 21:57, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Jan!

Just checking in, keep up the great work you're doing for the wiki. Fixing those page splits, etc. How's the treatment going? We haven't talked in a while, nobody told me if it was going well or not so I decided to ask. Hope you get better soon. Commander Faol (talk) 01:04, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

DwemerBot
Hey Jan! Talked to Tomb last time and finally got around to sending a message to Wikia. They marked Dwemer as a bot now, so you can go ahead and start using it. I suppose we're going to start with removing the base categories from pages. Things like Category:Females and Category:Locations are being removed, as I'm sure you know. We can also start working on the backlog on User talk:Veetor-Bot III. -- 21:13, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * We are actually not going to remove the Category:Locations just yet, as we would still need to edit that out of all templates. But, Category:Females and over-arching race categories ie: Category:Nords, we want to remove and use as a listing of all game-oriented race categories. 22:37, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure thing! Here's the forum discussion we opened ages ago, F:CT:Categorization of the wiki. If you have more precise questions, throw me a line. Or hop on the IRC, it's easier to type it all at once, ya know? :D -- 23:39, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

RE: DwemerBot run
Ok, thanks for the update. I did notice a few pages that weren't able to be changed, so I have started to manual remove them from the protected pages. Also, now that we have the "Locations" category cleared, we will add the game-oriented Locations to a list under the "Locations" category.

The next run for DwemerBot should probably be "Characters" since that list is huge. We've already edited it out of all the infobox templates, so DwemerBot should be able to catch everything, pending the protected pages.

Cool! So, thanks so much for your help with cleaning up the cats! 05:58, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Hi Grams. Although the overarching cats are being removed from pages - the category pages themselves will remain as a place to organise the game specific cats. For example "Dunmer" will still exist and within that category will be "Obilivion: Dunmer, Skyrim: Dunmer" categories only.

Jimeee (talk) 08:31, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hello there!
Hey Jan! Just leaving a friendly hello! I see you've been awfully busy with Dwemer! Glad to see everything is falling into place nicely! Hope all is well. Take care now. :D -- 04:08, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

DwemerBot: Race categories
Hey GramsJ. Would you be able to have DwemerBot do another run through on the remaining race categories? There are still some races that were not run yet. I added the remaining race categories to DwemerBot's Talk page, so you'll see the update. Thanks! :) 18:44, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

No problem, GramsJ ;) I just don't want users going through the race categories and removing them one by one, since we have the bot to handle those big tasks. As for these "unofficial" categories, we can discuss it. Maybe you want to make a list of the categories that you think should go. 19:05, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I've edited out the Characters category in the other two page. They were listed in a redirected link. We do still need to do Males and Females. That should probably be next on the big list, and yes, the other categories like Merchant will have to be done too, but for now lets finish up the bigger categories. Thanks again. 17:02, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

More Categories down the drain
Hey Grams! Thanks for all the help clearing out the excess categories! Here is a run-through of what should be done with the categories that you mentioned for removal.

Keep

 * Blackwood Company Members should probably stay, since we want to distinguish the members of the group, just like we do with of House Telvanni Members, etc...


 * Battleaxes is actually going to contain a list of game-specific Battleaxes, so we won't remove that one. The same applies to all other weapon types. They are still being sorted through.


 * Jewelry is a category that we are keeping, but it does need to be cleared out for listing game-specific categories.

Change

 * Bookstores - This one we don't need, since all stores and shops are categorized under (ie.) Oblivion: Shops. You wouldn't list it under Merchants because that is used for Characters that are merchants and not Shops.


 * Book Covers (merge with Books)

Remove
All other junk categories and those not noteworthy of being a category.
 * Comics
 * Comic Covers
 * Hoaxes
 * Browse
 * Browser Userboxes

As for having the Children category separated into game-specific categories, I think we will hold off on that one for now, as I'm not sure there exists enough children to have them divided up into locations.

On something sort of unrelated to this, I'd like your opinion on the use of categories such as Morrowind: Items. Since technically everything is an item, it seems way too messy and unorganized to use it unless there is no other suitable category. For example, Potions for games are categorized under Morrowind: Potions, Skyrim: Potions, etc... I see no need for Potions to also be categorized under Morrowind: Items, etc... What do you think?

Again, thanks for all your help on things sorted! 23:07, June 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, the Miscellaneous category can stay, being that there actually is a Misc Item section in game. It's the Game: Items category that is out of control. As for the Battle Axes or Battleaxes, which one is correct? Lol Let's redirect the category "Battleaxes" to "Battle Axes", since it was called a Battle Axe from earlier games. Well, I think it's time for a break, how about you? :) 00:01, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Haha, They would do that! ...Hmm, toss a coin in the air to decide which gets redirected? Heh 00:12, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Deleted pages & infoboxes
Hey Grams. In regards to the pages that have recently been deleted, we are going through pages of non-unique weapons and armor as all these generic items can be listed with stats on a single page without it having it's own page and image. For instance, you mentioned the Warforger's Gauntlets, this uses the Daedric Gauntlet image as do many random enchanted armor items.

As for making an override option for infoboxes, this is something I'm not familiar with changing. Flightmare had created an override feature for Oblivion NPCs at one point. You might want to ask him if he could add that feature to the infobox in question. 19:45, June 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, yes. Flightmare is said to be working on a page that will automate an entire list of those generic enchanted armors and weapons with stats. Eventually all generics will be in a single listed (tabled) page. It just doesn't make sense to have them all in separate pages. Unique items will still have their own pages. 22:39, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Non-unique armor and weapons
Hi there - in regards to your recent message about a wiki uesr looking for info on where to find an item. It depends on the item itself as many are randomly generated and will only spawn dependent on level. Warforger's Gauntlets I believe is classed as random loot and can't have an exact location.

Jimeee (talk) 15:55, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Re:DwemerBot Issues
Hey there! I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "wikitext searches". I'm assuming you're referring to typing something like: into the search bar? And you're receiving no results? I'm not entirely sure what would cause that. -- 04:17, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Battlespire Book Template
Hey, I've just started work on updating and creating the Battlespire book articles and i've noticed that there's no book template for the game. Is there any reason Daggerfall has a book template and Battlespire doesn't? Thanks. Dar&#39;Rajhin (talk) 02:00, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

RE:image
Im sorry if i messed anything up, I was asked to organize the images and make sure they all go where they belong. And while im sure i may have made a mistake along the way, i dont recall puting anything into screenshot that didnt look like a cell-phone or PC taken picture. I'll assume that we are talking about the PC screenshots and ill make sure to stop placing those in that category.

Sorry for the trouble.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:37, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can I step in for a moment? Saw your discussion and couldn't help but budge in with my two cents. Cheat is adding the templates that auto-categorizes the images. These templates have the screenshot template embedded in them by default. Personally, I think that template should be removed from the "mother" templates; it's outdated and as you've said, Jan, inaccurate also. What do you guys think? -- 05:40, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

If the mother templates auto-added categories into the wrong places it should be fixed. I'll go with whatever, just let me whats changed and ill adapt.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:45, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll make the appropriate changes to one of the templates. Watch the recent changes for the edit. And follow suit by correcting the others. -- 05:48, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Deyvid. I didn't mean to imply the categorization was wrong other than adding screenshot licensing to rendered images. Thanks for noticing and helping to straighten that all out. GramsJ (talk) 06:02, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

IRC
I was thinking about what we had talked about on irc, and I agree that the random loot items that have static location(s) do deserve the attentions of their own page. I wish I had thought it at the time. I want to apologize for any inconvenience I caused.
 * It has my support. I was thinking of adding a section for the information to Enchanted Jewelry (Oblivion), but it would be difficult to give useful detailed information in such a restraining article. Jaymz6 (talk) 21:45, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

New rights
As a patroller, you've recently been granted new rights. Please read this for an explanation on how to use them. If you have any problems, please come to IRC or contact an administrator. Thanks, Veetor-Bot III (talk) 23:01, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Warning Template
The vandals whose intentions are clear should not get warned. They are here for attention. Warning them gives them the attention they ask for. The Wikia-approved steps are: Revert, block, ignore. Warnings are intended for borderline vandals who can be directed in the right way. Thanks for reporting him. ~ Flightmare (talk) 18:11, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
For

Dar Rajhin wanted me to do that as hes trying to test something. Senjai (talk) 02:03, July 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's what the user's Sandbox is for. You can copy a page to Username/Sandbox/pagename then make changes and whatever. GramsJ (talk) 03:56, July 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * It was about something on that page specifically. You'll have to ask him why, and I'm aware, and noted. Cheers. --Senjai (talk) 03:59, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Redlinks and Deleted Pages
No problem. I restored Mundane Ring, corrected the template, and reverted the edits back to the last one made by you. Hopefully this is sufficient. Let me know if you encounter other pages that ended up on Special:WantedPages. :D -- 22:57, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Pithiken's Ring - vandalism; no positive edits to undelete
 * Treoy's Ring - vandalism; no positive edits to undelete
 * Ring of Steelskin - restored
 * Storm Ring - restored
 * Jade Amulet - article was empty; no content to restore.
 * Glass Gauntlets - vandalism; no positive edits to undelete

-- 01:14, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re:References
I should have messaged you about this earlier. Currently hung up on another matter also, so I'm sorry for that. I'm sure it was Tim, judging by the Morrowind preload thingy. At any rate, it's not necessary to include statements like, "unless stated otherwise, all information was taken from the game or construction kit." This is largely based on the fact that all information is taken from the game and CT, unless stated otherwise. So, we can assume that the source is the game and CT, but if it's unlikely to be that, then we give sources, such as in-game books or articles written by game designers etc. This is a common Wikipedia practice (although I'm having trouble procuring an exact link! haha). -- 19:39, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Recent changes
Sorry for the inconvenience. The wiki is going through growing pangs as Wikia helps assimilate our wiki with the new MediaWiki updates. You may have experienced other bugs, such as white backgrounds in diffs, tables, and image pages. Some of the badges have black squares for backgrounds. The auto-refresh feature in RC doesn't work because of this as well. At the moment, there is nothing we can do but ride out these glitches until Wikia finishes integrating everything over to the newest version. -- 00:33, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Have you noticed the red question marks in the margin? These denote newly created articles and blog comments. Helps us moderate things a bit better. Now, instead of going to Special:NewPages, you can mark the page as patrolled, just by clicking on it from Recent Changes. :D -- 04:01, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Patroller template
Hey ! Some pretty cool news. Recently, we created a new user page template for patrollers of TESWiki! We need you to post it on your user page. Consider it a badge of honor and promise of commitment to the wiki! Here it is: Patroller. Thanks so much! And don't forget to look over our walkthrough for your new custodian abilities. Cheers and happy editing from your friendly neighbor admin dude. - 00:11, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, don't forget to vote for this months featured member! -- 00:15, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, GramsJ! Your Patroller template doesn't appear to be displaying correctly, as it's adding categories as if it's using the source code of the Patroller template. You just need to added the tag to your page. — TombRaiser   SPEAK!  05:26, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

DwemerBot
When you have a free moment, could you do me a favor and run Dwemer through the bot tasks at the bottom of Veetor's talk page. You can skip over the Category:Maintenance templates, if you think it's too delicate of an edit. Thanks a million. Time for me to turn into a pumpkin. Take care, Jan. :) -- 06:43, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Game titles in the lead
As no policy or precedent yet exists on whether game titles should be included in an article's lead, I cannot say with certainty what should be done. It is, however, established style to include an "appearances" section at the bottom of an article. This helps readers know which game the object, person, thing etc. appears in. Parenthetical phrases attached to disambiguated pages also help: Conjuration (Skyrim) obviously has nothing to do with Conjuration in Morrowind. :P I would say, however, that something like Dragon Shouts should mention in the lead, as the feature only appears in Skyrim. Consistency is the best, but in some instances, I would say that mentioning the game title detracts from the page. Mostly, this revolves around our style of writing pages as if they were historical documents. In other words, mentioning that such and such person appears in Shivering Isles makes the person seem less real and more of a game character, than we intend tone-wise. I would say, definitely add it on item, weapon, and armor articles since most of those are OOU (out-of-universe) articles. But, things such as character biographies should omit them and mentions to things like "quests". Does this make sense? If you feel strongly that the opposite is true, please voice your opinion. I'm rooting for what's best for the wiki. Which may or may not align with my convictions. :) -- 23:43, July 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * P.S. Almost time to archive your talk page, don't you think? :P -- 23:45, July 26, 2012 (UTC)