User talk:Xell Khaar/Archive 1

Hi
Hiya I'm new here, great site! Arandil 19:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you do alot of work on the site. Is there anything I can do to help? Arandil 07:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just started editing today, but so far this is the worst wiki I've ever seen. Seriously.  It's quite surprising for such a popular series too.  I've been trying to clean up the disaster previous people have left behind, but it's like trying to clean up a landfill, there's just so much crap everywhere.  The categories were the worst.. before today they didn't even have anything connected to the Browse category >.< Every single category led to a dead end, I just finished fixing all of those finally... took me all day, and this wiki has been around for like 2 years too!  That pisses me off!  How can nothing be connected to browse category for 2 entire years.  I'm pretty sure the admins have just abandoned this wiki and left it to die.  Especially since me and you are the only people who even edited anything yesterday.. it's totally dead.  Anyway, there's a lot you can do to help.. I mean almost every article is written wrong.  The articles are supposed to be written in past tense, but stupid people always write them in present tense, and they never have appearances or the right categories listed.  You could pretty much just hit the Random Page button on the side and find something that needs editing.  I just finished putting the appearances on the Arena article, if you know a lot about TES lore then you could always make some of those articles.  Or just fix up the ones that suck already.  I rewrote the Manual of Style a few days ago, so read that before you start editing, just so things stay consistent. -- Xell Khaar 08:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I absoloutley love the Elder Scrolls so I'm going to get stuck into this Wiki. Maybe you and me could turn the mess into a really great site? Arandil 08:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposition
Hi, thanks for helping out. I'm User:Michaeldsuarez, one of the wiki's administrators along with User:KickAssJedi and User:Game Lord. Sorry for the miserable state of the wiki. I become an administrator in April with hopes of doing what you're doing. Unfortunately, I never got to that due to business elsewhere. For example, it took over a month for me to clear all the uncategorized files from the Star Wars Fanon wiki – a task which was only completed today.

However, I can't see myself going back to active duty here, so I would like you to replace me. Once the election ends, I'll gladly promote you to an administrator. I'm very please that my successor has experience at Wookieepedia. If you would like to administrate the OblivoWiki as well, just ask and I'll promote you right away (there aren't enough users at that wiki for an election).

If you haven't been there already, I suggest that you spend some time at UESP, which is the greatest wiki for The Elder Scrolls in my opinion. Just so you know, although UESP and this wiki are using the same license now, please don't copy material from that wiki; UESP deserves our respect. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 18:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're also interested in Elder Scrolls fan-fiction, you can also visit Elder Scrolls Fanon. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 18:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow thanks! I'm not really sure what to say.. but I'd love to be admin and try and clean this site up.  I love the Elder Scrolls so it was kind of a shame when I saw how little people edit this one.  I've been to UESP of course, but I feel that it's more of a strategy guide type thing.. every article is filled with in-game info and stats and stuff (like their Arena page has no lore info at all), so it's not really the type of traditional wiki that I feel that Elder Scrolls should have.  Of course there's the lore pages.. but they have very limited info (bunch of main characters grouped into one characters article for instance).  While it's still a great wiki and serves its purpose, I felt that there's still room for a traditional wiki, and this one should be it.
 * While it sure is tempting to accept adminship for those others as well, I'd like to stay focused on one wiki at a time. So I'd be perfectly content with just being admin for this one.  I don't want to be editing OblivioWiki while I should be editing this one.  Also, with the lack of active admins on this site, I feel that one, full-time, nondistracted admin is needed.  Thanks though! -- Xell Khaar 19:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Black Hand
I've noticed this wiki has a featured article system called the Black Hand. It appears that the main page has been featuring the same article for many months now, maybe we should change it? Arandil 20:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, I'm pretty sure they are all inactive, they haven't voted on anything in almost a year. I'm going to try to reorganize the whole featured/good article thing today to make it more streamline, I don't think there will be any objections.  As for the featured article on the main page.. it's featured there because there are only two featured articles on this whole wiki!  If you want to write one up to featured status and nominate one feel free though. -- Xell Khaar 04:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Will do. I'll find a character with a significant lore backround and improve that article. Also for some reason the Nord infobox and the Daedric Prince infobox have a diffrent appearance to the others, I assume they should all look the same, but I must admit i would not know how to do this. Arandil 07:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay I fixed the character infoboxes. They all look the same now, other than color.  Tell me if you find any other things that are inconsistent like that. -- Xell Khaar 16:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Election
Due it the size of this wiki's community, there isn't any set date. I can't see anyone else voting in the near future, so would you would to become an administrator now? --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 23:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'm eager to start. -- Xell Khaar 23:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's done. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 23:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll do my best. -- Xell Khaar 00:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Congratulations on your Adminship, and thank you for fixing the infoboxes. The only other thing wrong with them is that the race field does not show. Arandil 08:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Gah, you're right! I'm getting sick of these stupid character infoboxes there's always something wrong with them and it takes forever to fix because I have to edit like all 10 of them. Alright... guess I better do it. Tell me if anything else is wrong with them after this. -- Xell Khaar 08:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I don't mean to sound really thick, but if the infoboxes have fields for the race, and the colors are customizable, why do we have one for each race? Arandil 08:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well so we don't have to look up and put in the colors everytime we want to place the template. There needs to be a race field because people aren't going to identify the race just by the color of the infobox. I admit it's a bit repetitive having so many when they're all the same.. but if we wanted to add specific fields for different races later, then the templates are already there with colors ready.  I just made them all the same now so they'd be consistent. -- Xell Khaar 08:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I don't suppose the colors of the templates themselves would be up for discussion would they? No disrespect to whoever designed them, but some of them are downright garish, and others are so dark it's difficult to read the text of the fields. Arandil 08:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I totally agree, the colors are awful.. I didn't pick the colors myself.. they were already there in the previous versions, so I just kept them. If you can find some better looking html colors for them, I'd have no objections to them being changed. -- Xell Khaar 08:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, well I'll play around with them later today and set them up in a sandbox or something, so you can review them first. Arandil 08:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Kk -- Xell Khaar 08:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

These are somewhat better I feel. Let me know what you think. Arandil 15:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, those look way better. I'll make the changes today when I'm fixing their race field. -- Xell Khaar 15:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, they should display the Race field now, and I updated the colors. They might not take effect until the articles using them are edited once though. -- Xell Khaar 16:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Forums
I restructured Forum:Council Club. I based it on the forums I designed for Star Wars Fanon and Elder Scrolls Fanon. You may change the colors if you like. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

So...
Not to put any pressure on you or anything, but do you think you will be sticking around? I really don't mind being part of the site, I just can't see it working without a decent Administrator who is willing to do the necessary work. I honestly think you are the sites best chance for prosperity, but of course if you don't want to lead the project that's fine. Also you may not care but I was diagnosed with OCD last year, just thought I'd share that with you. Well, take care. Arandil 06:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You know I try to quit, but I keep coming back. But I still think I'm like the worst person for this job.. I can't handle people changing stuff I've written, which makes it kind of nice that this Wiki is mostly dead. But yeah, I think I will stick around.. at least until I get frustrated that one of my templates won't work again >.< I don't have a lot of patience. -- Xell Khaar 06:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm glad you've decided to stay. Personally I think the other Admins should have their status removed. Two of them havent contributed in months, and Michaeldsuarez has already said he is not going to come back full time, so I don't see why he should be able to go around changing things you've done if he is not going to help run the project. Also, I know what you mean about not having a lot of patience, I know how frustrating it can be when things don't work the way you want them to. Arandil 08:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, quick question. I noticed that you changed the sites logo (which is awesome by the way), but for some reason I'm not seeing the change. Do you know why this is? Arandil 09:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably need to clear your cookies. Hit ctrl+f5, or if that doesn't work then do it manually in internet options. -- Xell Khaar 09:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, and if you're not already, and I'd seriously recommend using the MonoBook skin instead of the default Monaco. It looks a million times better. You can change it in preferences, and make sure that the Let the admins override my skin choice. box is un-checked, otherwise it won't take effect. -- Xell Khaar 09:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Done all three, no dice. The skins changed but the logo's the same. Arandil 09:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. oh well, just give it time I guess. It should appear eventually. I think. -- Xell Khaar 09:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I've just had a thought, on Wookieepedia once I saw and Admin delete the upload history of an image. If all the old revisions were removed from the site would that help? That history's nearly as long as my arm. Also, am I the only one seeing red-links all over the main page? Arandil 11:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright.. I'll do that I guess, I'll save the previous version to my computer incase anyone really hates the new logo. I know there's a lot of redlinks on the main page (5), because I just rewrote it and haven't made all of those pages yet, hopefully I'll have them up in a few days. -- Xell Khaar 19:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Greetings
Hello, Xell Khaar. I'm Groe, an on-again-off-again contributor to the wiki. I just wanted to congratulate you on your Adminship, and express my intent to take a more active role on the wiki. I joined a long while ago, back around when the site was started, and so I've borne witness to its steady decline, a fault that does probably lie with me and the rest of the older members. I myself was caught up in the trials of everyday life and so was unable to contribute often. While I have no idea what became of Game Lord and KAJ and the like, I would be very willing to assist you in getting the wiki back to its heyday (or at least back on its feet). My page contains links to samplings of my work in the past. I mostly handle in-game battles, but I've also written character and organization pages as well. When he was active, KAJ started an effort called the Oblivion Project, which is still there and might be helpful. Any assistance required, I would be happy to lend, and now that the summer's started I should be contributing more often. Thank you! GR Groe 05:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Common.css
I reverted it back and then took the following screenshot from the local library; it looks fine to me. It would be helpful if you took a screenshot as well. I would be able to tell which browser you use from the screenshot. I'm using Firefox right now. If there's a problem, I'll attempt to pinpoint and fix the problem with Firebug. Remember to refresh your page once changes have been made.

--Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 15:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi. Are you mad that I rewrote the Common.css or are you just mad that I overrid your code? Look, I'm sorry for that, but again, you are rarely ever active so I thought you wouldn't mind. Your revision of it screws with things though. It has duplicate classes, which really is confusing while trying to fix something. It changes colors for everything again. It's really bulky, and unless you have Firefox it slows the site down. It makes these stupid little scrollboxes appear on everything, including common.css page (see the pic below), it was doing that with eras template before but you seem to have resolved that.. and with all of that, it's largely just unnecessary. The Wiki works fine with my version, yours is twice as big, and it has problems, so I'm going to revert it to mine again. I'm sorry if you really like your code, but it's doing no good. Can you please just leave it like that? I have enough things to worry about in my life besides some user (an admin no less) coming on while I'm asleep to undermine my work. I said I'd fix the site and I will, just leave it to me, go edit OblivioWiki or Star Wars fanon or Elder Scrolls Fanon or some other site that you are also admin for, and leave this one to me! (I'm sorry if that didn't sound very polite, but I suck at public speaking and it would have taken me like three hours to rewrite that to sound like a polite request. But that really is how I intend it to sound.) -- Xell Khaar 16:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fine, I'll take a hiatus; I'll be back in a few months. You'll be managing this wiki on your own. If someone else needs to be elevated to an Administrator, you can ask me, and I'll do it. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

File:Fishystick.png
If you're going to make this site more like Wookieepedia, can you at least follow Wookieepedia's image sourcing policies. File:Fishystick.png was derived from or  (or even the original image itself). You don't have the right to put User:JonusAngelus in the  field. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 14:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fishy stick comes from the official forums firstly, not your fanon wiki or uesp. By putting JonusAngelus as original designer I meant that he made it transparent to use as an icon. The actual site that it was downloaded from could have been a million things, it's on tons of sites. Sorry, I'll make it more clear in the sources. -- Xell Khaar 16:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and sorry for the trouble. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Xell Khaar, Im Darth Storm, an administrator at TESfanon wiki, and a former Black Hand member here on the Elder Scrolls Wiki. I have just returned after a long absence and will be looking forward to working with you to improve this wiki. And now to get down to business. Im not very good with images, so if you know anyone or if you yourself are good at editing and centering images I could use some help with an image I just uploaded to use on the Yokuda, Pyandonea, and Thras pages.

Look Forward to working with you. Cheers. Darth Storm 17:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * here are some maps. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 18:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ive got one right here: File:Tamrielpolitischekarteex3.jpg
 * I just need someone to center it and zoom it on the Yokuda part. Darth Storm 18:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately we can't use that map since it is fan-drawn. Fanon isn't allowed here. If you have any official map on Yokuda you can use that though.. I always use JonusAngelus whenever I need something with images. He made the new site logo and stuff. He may or may not help you though. -- Xell Khaar 19:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It is fan drawn but it is based on an official map released with the game Redguard. Darth Storm 19:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course it's based on a game, it's Tamriel. If you have a scan of the actual map then you can use that, but a fan interpretation isn't allowed, I'm sorry. -- Xell Khaar 19:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not based. Its incorporating all known official maps into one map. Here's the official map released with Redguard. http://www.cyrodiil.net/assets/westmap.gif Darth Storm 19:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Listen, it is fan drawn, we can't have it, even if it is an accurate map. That map was not released with an official piece of media, look at the Manual of Style. There is a reason there is a TES Fanon wiki. -- Xell Khaar 19:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wondering, is File:Desert.jpg an actually image released by Bethesda, or is it an image of a random desert? --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm wondering that too actually. -- Xell Khaar 19:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * .....Random.... Just trying to enhance the article... Darth Storm 19:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Featured Article, Black Hand
So when are you planning to have the first Featured article. Also how can i regain my position on the Black Hand? Darth Storm 20:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't right now, because I'm still restructuring the site and I haven't made all the articles for that yet. Anyway, please stop posting fanon images to the articles, as it is against the rules here and I am going to delete them now. I'm sure the fanon wiki would be more than happy to have a picture of the Yokuda desert though.. if they don't already have one. I would seriously recommend reading the Manual of Style in its entirety before posting again, and I think it's about time I made a canon and canon policy article as well.. -- Xell Khaar 20:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I have read it and am quite familiar with it. I've been at this wiki since April of last year. By the way, it has nothing in it about images. Sure that's not a picture of a desert in Yokuda...But its a desert and Yokuda has deserts....Sure its not an official image, but it is describing the geography and environment of Yokuda to the reader... Darth Storm 20:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also why are you deleting my redguard and orc images. They are official. They are from the Pocket Guide to the Empire that comes with the Oblivion Collectors edition, which makes it an official image... Darth Storm 20:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't.. Secondly, it doesn't matter if Yokuda is a desert or not, this isn't fanon wiki, you can't make crap up anytime you want. We can only have official images. Also, you're obviously not familier with the MOS because you violate it everytime you edit. Stuff is supposed to be written in past tense, canon images are only to be uploaded, appearance sections are to be written, everything is supposed to be in a category.. I mean you're doing more harm than good here, seriously. -- Xell Khaar 20:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually mostly everything I write is in the past tense except for several things ok... And I just realized michaeldsuarez was deleting my images...and it doesnt say that about images.... and i havent gotten to the appearance section I was working on it when you came along and started deleting everything in sight... Darth Storm 20:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * and I quote "Valid sources must come from a canon piece of media. This includes all games, manuals, books, reference books (such as strategy guides), etc." Also, I deleted three things. Your fanon images. That is not "everything in sight." -- Xell Khaar 20:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok... Darth Storm 20:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's it, I'm treating this as vandalism because I told you not to. By official images I did not mean a mountain from Cyrodiil being put on the Yokuda page. You can be blocked for awhile. -- Xell Khaar 20:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice one Xell Khaar. This guy is also the one who added all the fanon to the Dark Brotherhood member pages. Arandil 07:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ha, the new logo has just started showing, brilliant! Arandil 07:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's because our job queue is too high. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 15:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Copyrights
Just so you're aware, all TESWiki text is released under CC-BY-SA 3.0. That is why I reverted your edit to Template:Wikipedia. Although Wikipedia's content is now released under both the GFDL and the CC-BY-SA 3.0, we can only use Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA content since that's the only license that we're using. You may make the template more like Wookieepedia's version, but it has to refer to the CC-BY-SA license instead of the GFDL. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 15:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Hiatus?
I changed my mind. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I nominated you to get your rights removed because I feel that you do nothing on this Wiki except work against whatever I do. -- Xell Khaar 16:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Reason
Could you please give me a good reason for why Michael should lose his Administrator rights? I've looked through his/your edits, and he's done nothing wrong. He's not "nitpicking your templates"; what he did was right, and I'm saying that as an Admin on over five Wikis. Have you ever considered you, not him, are the problem? If you could provide me with a legitimate reason, I'll not go to Wikia staff and instead leave you guys here to settle it out. Cheers. --Thomas Rattim (talk)
 * Give me a break. Nominating someone for something is hardly grounds for reporting someone to wikia. It's a legit nomination where people vote, and everyone on this wiki agrees with me. -- Xell Khaar 19:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

My problem isn't your nomination. My problem is it's unjustified. And, if it's unjustified, it doesn't matter how many people agree with it. See, when I was, just over five years ago, at your tender age of under fifteen, I used to think the same. But, if you knuckle down and work instead of complaining, the Wiki benefits. So, do you have a reason, or shall I bring a staffer in to oversee this? --Thomas Rattim (talk)
 * Don't try to intimidate me please. I think the reasons are perfectly clear in the nomination. Every edit he does here is working against mine. I also don't think that Michaeldsuarez needs his friends to stand up for him in this. He can speak for himself. -- Xell Khaar 19:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not trying to intimidate you. Every edit he does is working for the benefit of the Wiki. Every edit your doing is working against that. He's doing what's right. You're whining about it. And if Michael doesn't need his friends to stand up for him, why do you? Nobody cares that your ikkle wikkle edits are being rightfully reverted. Thank you, that's all I need. I'll bring staff in to oversee this. --Thomas Rattim (talk)
 * Uh-huh, have fun with that. Ickle-wickle edits? How about completely messing up the common.css everyday so it screws up like half the templates on the site. I don't care about him reverting my regular templates (most of them are just ported anyway), I'm talking about the mediawiki stuff. He keeps agreeing to stop and then he does it again anyway. He can't stand that I overrid his codes so he's going to make my life as much hell as possible by fucking them up everyday. He's making this personal, not me. -- Xell Khaar 20:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Tell that to the staff. --Thomas Rattim (talk)

Compromise?
I protected the page so we can discuss this ourselves. KickAssJedi has requested a compromise, so I'm respecting that request. Can that be done? Is there anything I can do to make you feel more comfortable here? We both want to create a better wiki, so why don't we just work on that? Can we work together? --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Every edit you make on this Wiki is to something I've made. You patrol recent changes looking for things that I've done, and you mess with them. Originally, I wanted to make that nomination as a way to tell you to stop finding things wrong with my articles. I was just going to drop it after you apologized or something. But now, I really don't think you should be admin. You called in all your stupid IRC friends to come harass people, when you know damn well they should not be involved in this. Then nominating me to get removed just out of spite. Sure I'm easily angered, I'm a loose cannon, I admit to that. I'm those things because I have OCD (literally) and I can't stand things to not be a certain way. But as an admin, I've made a lot of this site. All you do is correct stuff I've done. You make my job more difficult, and I don't think we need you, especially after your behavior today. I'm going to keep the nomination, and the majority of the community (the real community, not your friends) side with me. So no, I'm not going to compromise, and if you don't get removed then I'm going to resign. -- Xell Khaar 20:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Patrolling Special:RecentChanges is a habit I picked up from UESP (see ). Sorry for the IRC, but I never told them to come and vote; I only asked for advice. Also, as for your OCD, it's called self-control. I'm open to compromised, but it's takes two to compromise, and if you're not willing, then this fight may never end. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just want to be left alone -_- why can't you just go edit some other wiki.. you're admin for like 10. I have things under control.. -- Xell Khaar 20:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you really call this control? Trust me, you need me to keep the wiki under control. We can do this together. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was under control until today. Before it was just incomplete. If I don't have all these distractions I can make the wiki successful in a few months, but I spend the majority of my time doing waste of time crap like this. You know how many pages I could have made in the time it took to argue with you and your stupid IRC friends? I mean I spend 90% of my time on this wiki, it's not a fun job. It's actually, surprisingly, the most stressful thing I've ever done. Solely because everyday when I wake up, I dread to look at recent changes and see all the stuff you've done. I hate it, I just want freedom to edit. Nothing you do is necessary, so I want you to stop. I really don't need you as much as you think, I'd be more effective if you just stopped. I actually have a list here of all the stuff you've changed of mine. I write it down compulsively so that if you ever quit I can change it all back without you getting mad. I don't want to be wasting my time doing stuff like this. -- Xell Khaar 20:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * May I see the list? --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 21:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually ran out of time and have to go somewhere, so see you later. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 21:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:Nomination
Well, sorry for this. Firstly an introduction, I'm KAJ, the sites preivious Administrator and the main reason the site's in such a wretched state, for that I'm truly sorry. You have my absoloute respect for working so hard on this project. I left the site because, frankly, I've better things to do. I checked in yesterday out of curiosity and found all hell had broken loose. I saw that you had nominated him for removal of his status, so I spoke to him directly. I explained to him that I felt you, not he were the best person to run the site, and respectfully asked that he stand down to avoid an Admin war. As you know he responded by nominating you to have your status removed, which lead to the current calamity. He went to the Star Wars Fanon Wiki looking for advice, although his request was misinterpreted by the other users who saw fit to come over here and try to rig the vote and harass those who sided with you. According the voting policy Michael will have his status removed, however, as he has agreed to stay away from the site until tommorow would you be prepared to wait until then? I'd feel better if I could remove his status while he is here, rather than doing it behind his back. Does this sound reasonable? –K.A.J•T•C•E• 07:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's definitely reasonable. -- Xell Khaar 07:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I really appreciate you coperation. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 07:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a few things
Hey Xell, just a few things. Firstly as you may or may not have noticed, I replaced the Headerbar and Backround strip for the Monaco skin, as the old ones clashed horribly with the new logo. Secondly I've just finished the Daedric header bars for the main page, I'll post them here for you to view. Unfortunately I do not have the means to make them tranparent, if you do that's great, if not a wiki helper named Peteparker did it for me, I'm sure he'll be glad to help. Well that's it, I'll check back tommorow morning to close the nominations and hopefully everyone one will be able to move on.

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–K.A.J•T•C•E• 09:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about all the revisions to the monaco, I'm just having some placement difficulties, it looks fine now if you wish to view it some time. A thought occured to me, do you wigh to be a Beuracrat, after the situation with michael is reolved. You'd have pretty much unresticted control over the wiki, you'd be able to do what you want without interference. Let me know what you think. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 12:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they did sort of clash with the new logo.. I sort of forgot about Monaco, since I always use Monobook, thanks for fixing that and making the daedric stuff. I'll have JonusAngelus make them transparent later, he seems to have an affinity at that sort of thing. As for the bureaucray, it would be nice not to have to contact you next time anyone needs user rights (or needs them taken away), so thanks, that will help a lot. -- Xell Khaar 16:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Peace Treaty
Ok, I think I've come up with a peacefull soloution to the conflict between you and Michael. He is going to loose his Adminship whatever happens, but what I've proposed to him is that he resigns on the condition that you choose someone to replace him. As I'm sure you are aware, he believes that you are incapable of working well with anyone else, and that you are some sort of wiki dictator. I don't think this is true, and I'd like to give you the opertunity to prove it. My question to you is - are you willing to appoint someone else to fill Michael's shoes if he steps down voluntarily? And if so, who? –K.A.J•T•C•E• 16:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ugh.. this is so lame, he's just doing this to piss me off. Whatever, fine, if it'll make him leave then I'll do it. Any admin can't be as bad as him. Most of the users here are pretty inexperienced.. but if I had to pick someone I'd say JonusAngelus, he has the most experience out of them and he's already helped with administrative stuff like making the site logo. I really don't think he's ready.. but if it'll make stupid Michael go away then I guess I'll just have to deal with it. At least he won't be changing stuff just to spite me. -- Xell Khaar 16:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for calling me "stupid". I always knew your true colors and personality would show. This is why you can't administrate this wiki on your own. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Give me a break. -- Xell Khaar 17:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm given you every change (and break) to work together, but you refused. It is time you gave me a break. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 17:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Enough, the pair of you! You have both agreed to the peace treaty, which means Xell, you will need to ask JonusAngelus if he would like to be an Admin, if so, I'll promote him, if not, someone else must be chosen. And Michael, it means you must go to Angela and resign your Adminship. I want this over with by the end of the day. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 17:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll ask CatherineMunro instead. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 17:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 17:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 17:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, I asked JonusAngelus. He doesn't usually come on for another hour or so though. -- Xell Khaar 19:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, CatherineMunro? I'm pretty sure that she's inactive. I posted a question on her talk like a month ago and she never even responded. She never responds to anything anymore. I'm almost sure that she's inactive. The last time she edited her talk was in November. This isn't just some lame attempt at keeping your adminship by asking someone inactive to do it? Is it? Ask someone else, like Angela. She's not inactive. -- Xell Khaar 19:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Catherine is indeed active. Please check before you jump to conclusions. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh.. so she just ignored my question, that was just mean then... =/ Oh well I figured it out without her help anyway. -- Xell Khaar 19:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * JonusAngelus has agreed to replace Michaeldsuarez as Admin. -- Xell Khaar 20:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * JonusAngelus is now an administrator. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I've just tried. Apparently a bueracrat cannot remove the status of another bueracrat, which means he will need to ask another staff member to do it. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 09:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Monaco problems
Hey Xell Khaar, just a quick question about the monaco. I noticed your using the parchment texture for the monaco rather than the usual white, which is awesome. However it seems to be preventing the backround strip and header bar from showing. If this is intentional then fine, but I don't think it is because yesterday I could'nt see the header bar or the backround strip, and today I'm just seeing the header bar. Again, if this intentional then fine, if not do you know what's causing it? And can it be fixed? –K.A.J•T•C•E• 13:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was sort of intentional. I was trying to make it look more like monobook. But then I saw you updated the header, so I added it to see what it would look like. I like it. As for the one behind the logo, I don't think it's really necessary. Anything we could have would just clash with the header. But you can add one if you want, it doesn't matter to me. If it were up to me, Monobook would be default since it looks like a billion times better. -- Xell Khaar 19:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm glad you like the header, although I admit I sort of nicked the general theme from the Wook. I think having the header works better than having that top part plain green, however I feel it clashes more on it's own than with the backround strip behind the logo. Also not having a backround strip creates a minor glitch with the new skin, in the form a small broken line which appears under the logo and changes color from black to white when you scroll up and down. Not a major problem, I know, but some may find it annoying. You are in charge, however, and I'm not going to tell you how to run the site. And I'm certaintly not going to make major changes without consulting you first, not that anyone would do that of course (cough). –K.A.J•T•C•E• 19:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, that was green? Crap.. I've been using that color around the wiki too.. I'm kind of colorblind, I thought it was brown. Anyway, we do have a background strip, parchment. I set it to parchment so it would blend in with the rest of the wiki. So just changing it isn't going to make that line go away, even though half the time I don't even see it, I think it's an unrelated problem. Anyway, the previous background strip was a sunset, which I don't think would work with the night sky. So do you think it would look better if the whole thing was just parchment? Or maybe we could have the strip be night sky too, without the moon? I don't know, it doesn't really matter to me. -- Xell Khaar 19:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, by the way, I just finished making our official IRC channel yesterday, and Wikia added it to their dropdown at irc.wikia.com. So if you want to come on I'll give you op status whenever. -- Xell Khaar 20:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Well it appears that Michael has finally had his Adminship removed. I must say, I'm releived. Yeah dude, totally green, well, olive. Sorry I thought you knew. As for the backround strip, I choose the horizon for symbollic reasons, mainly because it spans on forever, encompassing all of Mundas. I thought that was more appropriate than using just a plain bit of scenery from somewhere in Cyrodiil. As for wether it works well with the header bar, I dunno, like I said I was using Wookieepedia as an example where opposites attract. If you think the night sky without the moon would work that's fine, we can try that. Also, while I understand where you are coming from about making monaco look more like monobook, there is something related to that I should have told you earlier, although you may already be aware of it. This site has a...unpleasent history with UESP. There have been copyright issues, and on occasion editors from UESP vandalized our main page telling people not to edit here, but to go to UESP instead, or sum such. And when the wiki was first founded they created a forum on UESP to discuss what they were going to do about us. In short, they have a pathetic need to prove themselves the alpha-males whenever a new Elder Scrolls related site comes along. And recently in the DYK section of their site they pointed out how many more articles they had compared to us, even though most of their articles are stubs. As I'm sure you know, the monobook we are currently using is from UESP. This is not an issue since we have the original artists permission, however it still provoked an angry reaction from UESP when we first started using it, and although I support that, it may be an idea to make the skin look somewhat diffrent. Sorry this has been such a long rant. The only other thing I have to ak you is, now Michaels gone, do you still want to be a Bueracrat? –K.A.J•T•C•E• 20:42, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh man, we do look like UESP... I didn't even notice, we have the exact same texture. I don't really like UESP. Sure they have more articles, and their site is actually organized, but all they do is focus on gameplay, which is pointless. Gameplay is easy to look up, you can just buy the strategy guides, it makes their Wiki pointless. Lore on the other hand, is annoying to look up. Their site isn't setup like a traditional wiki, they have everything divided into Lore:, Arena:, Daggerfall:, Morrowind: Oblivion: etc. and in each one, they only have info about the gameplay aspects. I hate that. I want an Elder Scrolls wiki like Wookieepedia, where it's all about story, lore, etc. and not about stupid gameplay stats I don't care about. So sure they have more articles now, but in a year I bet we'll have more! You'll see! I'm not gonna lose to them! Ahem, anyway, yeah the texture is exactly the same so I might try and find something else if I can (hopefully something that looks superior). The header is from Morrowind right? I'll install it later and see if I can get a good pic of some stars or something. See if that looks good as the background strip. -- Xell Khaar 21:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, sorry for dissapearing yesterday, but when you struggle to keep your head upright, that's when you know you need to go to bed. Secondly, really really sorry, I thought you knew the skin was from UESP. If I thought for one minute you were'nt aware I would have told you straight away. I feel the same way about them as you do, but remeber because they only focus on gameplay their site will never be complete, ours on the other hand...Uh, no, both the header and the backround strip are from Oblivion. We can try something from Morrowind if you like, but I don't have it on PC so I can't take screenshots. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 09:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, while I agree with coming up with an original skin, I think we should keep the theme of parchment, it seems most appropriate. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 09:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Monaco ideas
Hi Xell. I've been trying to think of something original we could do for the monaco, I admit I'm having trouble finding inspiration. The only idea I thought of was, if we are going to use the sky for the headerbar/backround strip, maybe we should use the Shivering Isles, rather than Oblivion, as the sky is a bit more interesting there. I've made a compilation image showing the sky during the day and the night, so, let me know what you think of the idea. . –K.A.J•T•C•E• 07:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: CatherineMunro
I knew she wouldn't let me down. Have fun with the wiki. Good luck. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 14:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)