User blog comment:Zippertrain85/Dawnguard Conclusion/@comment-17114085-20140511164121/@comment-17114085-20140523125130

''Stronghold!? Like, a small refugee camp, that isn't an Empire, not even close at all, if Ysgramor truly didn't conquer all the land why didn't they form another KINGDOM? The fact that they needed they made a Stronghold or settlement as opposed to that could only show that Ysgramor has control of Skyrim. Since they were unable to get that big at all.''

I never said it was a Snow Elf Empire, you are the one that keeps saying that for no reason.

He didn't conquer all the land, him and his 500 Companions just destroyed everything in sight. After that they started to settle, Ysgramor founded Windhelm, Some of the 500 founded Whiterun, etc.

They couldn't form another Snow Elf kingdom because wherever they ran to, to get away from the Armorans, the Atmorans followed them and destroyed whatever City/Stronghold/Refuge the Snow Elves had made. They couldn't escape the Atmorans, though like I've said a billion times it took a long time for the Atmorans/Nords to kill all the Snow Elves and destroy all the Snow Elf cities.

Maybe aliens from Secunda did it, since we don't know how those cities came into existance, and since you can't disprove that, it must be true!

Now you are just being completely stupid. The multiple colonies/Kings thing is plausible and likely did happen. But there are no aliens in TESU and Secunda isn't a moon like IRL, it is part of Lorkhan/Shor's body and a manifestation of his divinity, just like the other plants and moons are manifestation of the other Divines.

That is completely irrelevant, what does that have to do with what we are talking about?

How is the Dragon Cult irrelevant? It is completely relevant. They ruled over the Atmorans/Nords, Ysgramor was below them in the hierarchy and was just a King of Eastmarch (Though Eastmarch could have been larger than it is now.). There were likely others like him, ex: King of Haafingar, King of the Pale, King of the Rift, etc. I don't think Winterhold had a King in the beginning because it was founded by Shalidor, but it obviously does later.

''Exactly, she would be surprised that Cyrodiil is now the seat of an Empire, possibly the one from the EP, she might not have known it's from Cyrodiil though, again, not everyone is aware of this. How she said it and what it could mean is personal interpretation, not fact, I know I sound like Drae saying that, but it's the truth.''

Everyone is aware of the existence of an Empire from Cyrodiil by the Interregnum. It had been over 3000 years since the start of Alessian's Empire and only 152 years since the end of the Reman Empire. There are also countless books about both Empires, and it is common knowledge that they existed. There is no way in hell she would not know about Cyrodiil being the seat of an Empire. Unless she predated the First Empire.