Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-4984687-20150326211251/@comment-1738746-20150403192409

SuperSajuuk wrote: Atvelonis wrote: I'm not sure about this whole thing. I like the idea of the community having a stronger voice in who gets to become staff, but I'm worried that if we do this it will completely turn into a popularity contest.

What I'm afraid of is that someone ill-suited for a staff position with numerous friends will apply, and their friends will still back them; not because they deserve the position, but because they are friends. If we go ahead with this, I think the current staff should have the final say in an application to make sure this scenario doesn't occur. There are two things we can do: The only way that the stigma of "popularity contest" will go away is if voting is not the determinant factor (aka support/oppose templates). Simple. While I'm still against this whole thing, out of the options provided I stand with everyone else on the second option with crats having the final say. Even if voting is done away with, the discussions will still highlight the popularity contest scenario Atvelonis has brought up. And like someone else has mentioned which I've warned before, with crats having the last say may still cause problems- if a person has a large following of support but the crats still reject it, people will start a s***storm over it as is the nature of this community. Sorry to be the old person who stands on the sidelines waving their cane at young people and yelling about a bad feeling in my bones, but yeah that's my opinion on this.
 * 1) Do away with voting. That will remove the WHOLE aspect of "popularity contest". Reasoned discussions with a straw poll at the end goes a long way to determine a consensus. Support/oppose isn't necessary for this and we all know the issues that support/oppose has caused with bogus votes being given and used against the candidate.
 * 2) The final decision should be left only to crats. As a crat is the only person who would be able to grant most of the rights (rollback, patroller, sysop), it should be their final decision (but it should be a collective between Tim and CCC, possibly Flightmare as he is a crat without the crat flag lol). In the case of chat mod and forum mod, it can be the final decision of a plain sysop such as Atvelonis.