Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-3539474-20130910213054/@comment-8248675-20131010184656

SajuukKhar wrote: Pink Slim wrote: except that none of that has actually happened. Except, as Alvor states when you talk to him, before Ulfric showed up, everyone still had their shrines to Talos. It was ONLY after Ulfric started his rebellion that the AD was able to pressure the Empire into enforcing the Talos ban, before Ulfric, they weren't.

Furthermore, The Thalmor have been largely delegated to a semi-remote embassy, and even even more remote and worn down old fort, as their main bases of operation, and their agents in places like the College of Winterhold, and in Markarth, have been basically told to shit down and shut up, as the Jarls aren't actively helping them, nor have The Thalmor, despite their protests, actually been able to force them to cooperate.

Legate Alexandros wrote: Then perhaps they seek to deactivate those two towers..... Red Mountain already fell before the thalmor ever took power, and nothing has suggested They have agents at Ada-Mantia.

As for the other towers, the only ones stated to be built by the gods are Ada-Mantia and Red Mountain. All others are creations of the elves, and nothing has suggested otherwise.
 * -Snow Throat is considered the Falmer's tower
 * -Green-Sap is believed to be the walking tree capital of the Bosmer
 * -Orcahlic is believed to be the Left-Handed Elves tower

Although the latter two haven't been mentioned in-game yet.

And it wouldn't mean the instant end of the world if Ada-Mantia was turned off. White-Gold tower, according to the novels, posses the power to keep Mundus from falling into Oblivion by itself, and there are other things, such as Akatosh's barrier, that keep Mundus from Oblivion.

And due to how much failure usage of the towers in the past brought, I find it unlikely The Thalmor would bet on them in any way.

Nazul Rostello wrote:

According to what we know from the "not-permanent" WGC treaty, the AD-Cyrodiilic border is basically a Demilitarized Zone....

The part about the AD inciting civil war in Skyrim to weaken the Empire is absolutely true.... There is absolutely no dialog about the WGC that says, or even suggests, the border is a DMZ of any kind. The only known stipulations of the WGC are

"The conditions of the treaty outlawed the worship of Talos in the Empire, formally disbanded the Blades, and delivered a large portion of southern Hammerfell into the control of the Aldmeri Dominion."

And I never said anything against The Thalmor starting the civil war in Skyrim to weaken The Empire, or anything in your second paragraph.

Nazul Rostello wrote: This may or may not be canon. The official lore stated that the Thalmor actually wanted to restore their former godhood by destroying Mundus and ascending to Aetherius. Actually, there is zero offical canon about The thalmor's plans, everything about this goals comes from MK, the same guy who made the tower stuff. The "offical" Bethesda devs have said nothing on the subject. It is hard to say weather Thalmor removed themselves to more or less remote locations by choice or not. There is another Thalmor Embassy, right inside Castle Dour, in the heart of Solitude. However, the game guide says that it is rarely used by Thalmor and in game you never see any Thalmor comming there. Furthermore, the game guide suggests that Thalmor prefer to operate from a more remote Embassy, deep in Hafingar, or something to that effect. Weather they removed themselves to those locations because of paranoia, or they were made by local authorities to keep away from Solitude? I am not sure anyone could tell.

I never would have guessed, that the tallest mountain in Tamriel was actually built by Falmer. You would think that it would be similar to Red Mountain, being created by devines and all. Green Sap tower is said to be a giant walking tree that houses Bosmer capital city (Elden Root if I am not mistaken), indeed by do we absolutely know weather it was Bosmer creation, or the giant walking tree was already a part of the untouched jungles of Valenwood, where Bosmer found it? Just because they build a city in it, doesn't make it being made by Bosmer. Who knows for how long that tree was walking in Valenwood, before the Bosmer even showed up in those jungles? In anycase, whoever built that Green Sap tower, it may or may not be deactivated. They said that it had stoped walking and finaly planted roots, so no one is sure if that's a sign of deactivation or not. If anything, it's no one's fault that it got deactivated. Orichalc Tower, may be part of myth and legend as well, especially since no one knows of it's true location. They used to say that it was on Yokuda and it deactivation might have caused entire continent to submerge. However, no one knows for sure if it is in fact on Yokuda. As some said, it may be on Pyandonea, with Maomer for all we know. It could have been built by left handed elves, but we cannot say for certain, just as I am not sure we can say for certain if it exist. Perhaps it does, we just don't know where it exists. if that makes any sense.

Then White Gold Concordat, does not say anything about Thalmor allowed presence anywhere but Southern Hammerfell. More then likely, the only reason Thalmor are given free hand at abducting citizens of Skyrim, is because of Ulfric's rebelion and Markarth incident. More then likely, there is no Thalmor pressence anywhere else in Empire, except maybe for an Embasy somewhere in Cyrodil, perhaps not even in High Rock. Heck, they doen't even have southern Hammerfell anymore, since Redguards kicked them out and declared an independant Kingdom of Hammerfell. Perhaps no one wants the same thing happening in Skyrim and Ulfric is just being a Rabble Rouser, who more then likly might be doing it all for Thalmor, weather he likes it or not.

There, I tried to adress all the topics discussed by you in your post, weather they were responses to mine or not. Sorry it is not as organized.