Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-24325144-20141001194150/@comment-69.247.6.120-20141002222544

Psychomantis108 wrote:

69.247.6.120 wrote:

Psychomantis108 wrote: GarouxBloodline wrote: So, there is a problem. And my personal opinion over this, is that the role-playing forums need to be at least temporarily removed from the wiki, until a time comes where the current aftereffects have finally calmed down. I think the compromises proposed earlier are decent, but it comes to mind that argumentum ad temperantiam is a logical fallacy, and a middle ground cannot always be achieved, nor should it be desired in every instance. I mention that, because if we allow the old role-playing forums to exist while disallowing new ones, then all we are doing is putting a bandaid on getting our current disruptions settled. Forgive me if I'm reading this wrong but all that I'm getting is: The admins screwed this up, so the RPers should suffer by having their RP thread taken away from them to avoid angering them or at least to avoid them expressing their anger. That doesn't make any sense, you're taking away the ability for us to even work towards changing things and leaving us with nothing, in an effort to get us to 'calm down?' ...we cannot fault the role-players, as there is no way they had the intention to start the build-up which has led to this moment in time....

...but my personal opinion is that we need to throw the entire bunch out... Again, this is all that I see, not only that but you've also dehumanised the RPing community as 'bad apples,' that don't deserve any sort of compromise or any real respect at all and just deserve to have their board taken away, with no attempt to fix it, even though we've had several compromises proposed that have every chance of working.

If we aren't to blame, then why are we being punished?

I'm not trying to flame, I'm just trying to make you see what you are saying, because this really isn't far off from the sort of thing that people say before committing genocide. Then I would be happy to clarify. When reading my comments, please keep this in mind, as it is understandable as to why you are so defensive after seeing what led up to this vote:

1. I am not dehumanizing the RP'ing community. When I used my bad apples example, I was referring to the disruptions caused by role-playing forums. So, bad apples are the grudges being held, the constant bickering in chat, the role-playing forums that have grown so huge, that fights are almost inevitable, and the sheer volume of role-playing forums which takes place on a regular day, which simply floods the wiki and is entirely unncessary.

2. You are not being punished. This is a wiki, and this wiki houses within it, a community. So when taking the wiki's health into account, it has two missions: to remain as an encyclopedia of knowledge for the subject(s) it covers, and to keep as much of the community happy as possible. And, unfortunately, the role-playing boards are beginning to affect the entire wiki, from the mainspace, to even the chat-room. Think of it this way: your cat has gotten sick, is close to death, and having it around is making your kids sick, too. Taking the cat away and putting it to sleep is not a punishment. It is simply what needs to be done, and it is understood that these sorts of actions are really tough, and can feel like a punishment.

Anyways, I know you are not trying to flame. I remember you from Nukapedia, and I always liked you. I fully understand this is a hectic time for some, and that we can all get a bit defensive when things we care about are being singled out for changes.