Board Thread:Online Discussion/@comment-14350577-20131024162905/@comment-83.253.180.172-20140202143357

I came to this thread when it begun, then came back here again just after it finished. This thread started with a legit discussion, very quickly went into a flame war, went to who would win in a fight, Ulfric or Ondolemar? Then how this fight would be constituted. Somewhere along the ride someone desperatly tries to manipulate the disussion to MRA crap. The discussion goes to who is the sexiest. Then to why they are the sexiests. The back to killing him. Then back to the sexy. Then everyone plays "Where is Ondolemar?" My phone is not a good thing to write lenghty responses on.

Does anyone else feel like this whole thread is a demented game of Telephone?

Anyway, I would like to say that I dedicated four game files to try and play around with Ondolemar. What I've come to gather is that he is very bugged, or at least the way he is scripted to die after the Stormcloaks takes Markarth. If you, for example, finish the main quest and in the diplomacy quest gives Markarth to the stormcloaks a few things keept happening to me. 1. Ondolemar stays in the keep and walks around like under the Empires rule. 2. Dies, and if I then finish the Empire questline, a copy of Ondolemar appears back in the main room 3. Dosn't come back at all

He has also vanished randomly without finishing the main questline. Once I found him walking around without his texture louded. He looked like a gray ghost. I couldn't talk to him or attack him. But he kept saying "Stupid Dog!" to the dogs in the hallway. Then he had vanished once I went back to the keep and after a long in-game time he suddenly re-appeared outside the stables. He proceeded to walk up to one of the horses, said "Stupid Dog!", then his two followers come running out of the main gate, but before they reached him he vanished again, so they just started running in circles. After a while they ran back into the city, I followed them and behold and smile, Ondolemar had returned to the keep.

It was quite the adventure. I am playing on Xbox with all expansions and have them fully patched. I have never heard anyone else have this happen to them. But at least for me he seems to get bugged a lot. If he buggs up for me he seems to repair himself if you finish the main quest and force him to appear at the Thalmor Party. I don't fast travel alot so he also sometimes appears in random places. I think this happens if you start his mic quest, then finish the main questline and then finish his misc quest. But what do I know.

Maybe Ondolemar likes to take trips to Oblivion now and then.