User talk:GramsJ/Archive 1

Greetings!
Hello! It is indeed possible to change the name of your username. However, you would need to contact Wikia (Via the Contact button below) in order to do so. (However, they are nice people, so dont be afraid to contact them!) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:37, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Mine Infobox Template
Hey GramsJ, saw your msg at my talk page, so here we go: WARPIGSON (talk) 00:32, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Infobox Mine Template: The one that is currently being used for Fort Fellhammer Mine is the correct type, you can tell by the hamer and pickaxe icon on it. Even so, if you need to create a new infobox, for any kind of page, try the option "Add other templates", in the right sidebar of the wikia; it will open a window with a "Search for a template" option. Type the kind of page your writing, or the kind of infobox you need (cave, mine, camp... and so on). It will give you the right kind of infobox.
 * 2) Mine articles: I've been trying to find a model page about Mines, but they're mostly stubs and it seems there's no standard right now. I based my edit of Embershard Mine on the Fort Fellhammer Mine page, so I think it would be good if we try to keep that standard (Infobox template, headline/topics order, and so on).

Hey I'm just after the achievement Harpite13 (talk) 21:34, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Page Layouts
Hiya GramsJ. I posted on User:Timeoin's page as well, but figured I'd stop here and say hi since we both seem to want to improve the layout. I looked at your random mine page and think we are in aggreement on the layout for the most part. I have listed a proposal on my main page which I feel can be used on all location pages with some minor tweaking for specific types. Please take a look and let me know what you think. --DLanyon (talk) 04:03, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I looked at the page and made a few changes. I also went ahead and created the talk page there so we could leave messages there if you instead of having to jumb between 3 talk pages! Thanks, --DLanyon (talk) 08:00, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Preload
Hi GramsJ, I moved that page to the Template namespace so it can be used as a preload. You can check it out here, or by clicking the button below.

Hope this helps,

Cook Me Plox 23:12, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Books
I think I can answer your question about the book layout. First, we already have an article on that particle book. see: The Real Barenziah, Book II. Further, yes, it does appear that we can freely post the exact contents of books into article. I always do. I transcribe the content word for word from screenshots taken directly from the game. If you do add the content, be sure to add Esbook somewhere on the page. That's a copyright disclaimer that basically justifies that the content is usable without risk of lawsuit. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  04:04, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Editing Problems
Do you know which pages they were trying to edit? (Thinking that it might be that the particular pages are protected). As for the leaving a message, I know that a common problem is that it wont let someone leave a message unless they also select a title (hoping that its something as simple as this). Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 03:19, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Spell tome
Looks awesome! I would love to see this tables on the Spell Tome, as well as any other ones you aim to create for the other schools of magic. Keep up the great work! --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  02:15, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Categories and Pages
With regards to the Daggers page - I do not believe a rollback/undoing of your work is necessary. Instead, I would suggest moving the page to Daggers (Skyrim) (and then using the previous content for a page called Daggers (Oblivion). In short: A disambig would probably be best, I think. As for the categories: We use both. i.e. with regards to weapons, both Skyrim: Weapons and Weapons should be used as categories. (Folks sometimes want to see the complete list, sometimes they're after a particular item in a particular game). At least, that's my opinion. (Also, there's a topic in the Concensus Track section of the Forums asking about categories. Your input would be greatly appreciated there! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 10:29, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Green
Thanks! I like my name Green better too! Less painful on the eyes. Although yellow is my favorite color. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  20:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Daggers
Actually, I wasn't aware that there was a problem with the Daggers (Oblivion) page. I moved it from Dagger, to set up a disambig so Daggers (Skyrim) could link somewhere. Guess I helped you out in the process, which is better than expected. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  17:20, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Image border
This one's an easy fix, thankfully. All you need to do is omit the |thumb| parameter from the image link, and it'll automatically be centered by the infobox, with a gray border, depending on the px dimensions you lay out for it. So, basically, all you'll need is. Easy enough, right? :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  20:15, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! Thanks! GramsJ (talk) 23:08, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Category question
That's a good question. I've been using Category:Heavy armor, not really for any particular reason. However, your rationale seems more appropriate. Go ahead and change the articles in Category:Heavy armor over to Category:Heavy Armor and flag the category with the delete template when you're done. Also, if you're feeling ambitious, I've noticed there's also the same problem with Category:Light armor and Category:Light Armor. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  04:30, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

More Categories Questions
In answer to your question: Technically, yes ;) Skyrim: Book Images should be used where possible. However, I haven't been keen to go through and categories many of them, as it is a daunting project (10,000 something pages witthout categories :O) But yeah, when you're adding them, that would certainly help! The big issue is more the Esimage template. Thats probably a higher priority, with the SOPA thing happening. Just so you know though - I only changed those ones because it was limiting the number of Skyrim: Books that were showing up Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 12:31, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Armor categorization
Awesome job with that! I deleted the lower-case versions of the category today. Additionally, I fixed the misspelled category on the book article you mentioned on my talk page. If there's anything else you need. Don't hesitate to ask! --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  22:48, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Books, Letters and Notes
Hey! First, thank you for your efforts with these and the images. Actually, Timeoin marked the Letters and notes for deletion, thus my attempts to clear that category out. I started the Skyrim: Letters just for that purpose and to sort out the Oblivion/Morrowind letters also, ditto for the Notes category. For adding an image to a book page, the categories Book Images and Skyrim: Book Images are not needed, those are for the actual file pages themselves. Didn't notice the Skyrim: Books Images versus Book Images, agree with you there and will see if I can correct that, more likely will tell Deyvid when hes on, the Image Categories are his creations. As for Book and Skyrim: Books, I'm leaving them be until I can get with the one of the Admins who can add Letters and Skyrim: Letters to the badges for Books. Didn't want to short change the other editors such as yourself from earning legitimate points towards a badge. No need to apologize by the way, if I thought you needed pointed in the right direction you would have heard from me already and you are a big help to me, especially if you can do images, I play on PS3 so I only do images when I find them some where else. Thanks for the input on the notice for the Letter categories, I'll fix it to included notes, scraps, etc... Side note, journals will stay books for now, not sure they need their own category, just an FYI. If you have anymore questions, inputs, suggestions, complaints, or find I'm messing up, by all means let me know lol.Neguy71inok (talk) 18:57, January 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * PS: Yes, as is now, the template for SkyrimBooks automatically adds the categories Books and Skyrim: Books. Neguy71inok (talk) 19:03, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Drop in and say hi!
Just thought, you could drop in at the chat and say hi, bye, Dragons!, whatever... lol Neguy71inok (talk) 19:11, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Book categories
Let's keep Category:Skyrim: Books Images, as it's already properly formatted, categorized, and there are many more images. It would be awesome if you could move Book Images over to that. Also, Book covers is useful for the Elder Scrolls novels. For instance, An Elder Scrolls Novel: The Infernal City. Category:Book Characters should be moved to Lore: Characters or Category:Infernal City: Characters, depending on whether the characters appear in in-game books, or in real-world books. I hope this isn't too confusing. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  20:48, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's actually not necessary to move them all over manually, since most of them have a template which categorizes them automatically. You can create the category and copy/paste all information from it into the other category. I'll change the template, which should effectively place every single image in that category into the new one. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  21:26, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just went ahead and did it. It only took two small edits. All the pictures in the old, double-plural category should automatically move over to the new one once the server catches up to it. We will need to check back at Category:Skyrim: Books Images to see if any dregs were left behind. Chances are slim of that though. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  21:30, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention something. If there are still images left in the old category, please feel free to change them. All you'll need to do is remove all licenses and categories, replacing them with this template: SkyrimBookImages. That'll add all the proper licensing and categories. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  21:37, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh! Not at all. You simply reminded me of something I've been meaning to do for a while. Plus, I didn't want you to spend hours changing something that could've taken a few seconds. That aside, if you're still looking for a project, Category:Skyrim: Images needs to be sorted through. No images should be in that category; they need to be put in sub-categories. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  21:44, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Most people aren't aware of how I'm trying to set things up for that. Perhaps I should create a project page to help inform people? At any rate, leave images in that category if you're not sure where to put them. Just try to reduce the volume of unsorted images as much as possible, and I'll be happy :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  21:55, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Sorry to hear about the chat giving you problems, I have chat program so as to avoid the webchat interface issues that can crop up. On the images, when on the page you want to update the photo you should have the add a photo button along the right side of the page, if you use this (recommend right click new tab) you can use your own name for the file. Once uploaded, go back to the page and do a fast edit. I know this means more work and is the long way around, but it is prefered the files have descriptive names as to be easier to find latter on and not long list of numbered files. But, this I will leave up to you, I didn't realize you were using the on page newer version link, your choice. Just trying to be helpful. Neguy71inok (talk) 00:40, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Books categories
Thanks so much for converting all the book images over to their proper place. You're doing an excellent job. Keep up the good work! :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  02:05, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * There were only three items, so I fixed them up really quickly. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  10:29, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Dwemer Tales
No problem! I was like "why the heck is he uploading them there?". Actually, I was more like, "why is he uploading them at all", since the content has already been added for them, but thats something else entirely ;) Anyways - enjoy! (Also, as a side note - whats with that SkyrimBooks template? Because ... most of our books appear in more than one game, and if they do, they have different weights and values for them, which DOESNT show up in the template :s Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 23:22, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lighthouses
Go ahead and create a Disambiguation at Lighthouses. Don't forget to add Anvil Lighthouse from The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  02:58, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Book template
Thanks, but User:HaLo2FrEeEk is the one to get the majority of the praise for that template. I started work on a new book template to cover all the series and asked for his help on it, which he knocked out of the park and gave us the finished template we now have. You should have seen the IRC chat when we were neck deep in it. Neguy71inok (talk) 20:39, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

PS: Just an FYI I forgot to put in above, we also have game specific templates for things like notes, letters, and journals. They are Skyrim Books, Oblivion Books, Morrowind Books, and Shivering Isles Books. Neguy71inok (talk) 20:43, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * You raise some legitimate concerns. Let's see if I can respond to them.


 * 1) I think it's quickly becoming the accepted style to use 3-D renders of the books, as opposed to screenshots. Like you said, the book's stats are included in the infobox.
 * 2) Since we don't want to be redundant by posting images with the stats in them, and also have the stats listed in the infobox, we'll want to remove the stats, if they're included in the article longhand.
 * 3) Having pictures of each page of text is not necessary, but it can be a useful too. I don't mind seeing them in the article. Personally, I think it makes the article stronger, both visually and contextually. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  02:14, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Wish I was well-versed in that type of thing to teach you. Halo, on the other hand, seems to be excellent at it. He might be willing to help you, since he plans to upload renders for all items in the game. I'm sure he would welcome a load-lightener. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  11:48, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Random Broken Template?
Um - what is "SkyrimIngredientImages"? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 05:49, January 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope :) if theres a use for it, by all means, go ahead. I only am upset because I was looking forward to a day of looking at an empty Special:WantedTemplates page ;) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 07:35, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * All good :D You were trying to do the right thing ;) Im just being unnecessarily anal about stuff, and im really not sure why :P Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 07:42, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hello.

Armor and Apperal needs to be classed as seperate entities or categorisation becomes a complete mess with armors being classed as apperal (which technically they are) and vice versa. I just cleaned up the apperal category as there were armors in there, completely redundant as Skyrim: Armors exists.

The Category Skyrim: Items (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:Skyrim:_Items&from=S) helps in breaking this down as it's displayed cleared there.

Yes, technically Armors are a sub-set of Apperal in the game, but for the sake of clarity on this wiki, Apperal can deals with clothing items (items of 0 armor, etc) and Armor for Armor items.

Jimeee (talk) 17:23, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

New Book Template
Hiya! First off, thank you for the kind words about the new book template, it was definitely a labor of love and I'm pleased with the way it turned out. As for how to use it, it's pretty simple, but takes some getting used to. I recommend you take a look at the doc page for it here: Template:Book/doc. It has an example of how to include it in a page, and what all the parameters mean. Eventually I'll probably write a blog post detailing things a little more and giving some more visual examples, but for now if you have any questions just let me know either on my talk page or through the IRC. HaLo2FrEeEk (talk) 21:04, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know dude, and I'm not trying to hate or anything, but there is a difference between well-lit and blown out. Some of your character images are great, but a lot of them are WAY overlit and oversaturated, I think that's why that other guy was uploading better versions. HaLo2FrEeEk (talk) 07:17, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Images and rendering
A few days ago when we were talking about the new Book template, you asked for some details about the renders. I replied to that, albeit on my own talk page User_talk:HaLo2FrEeEk. I said that I wrote a blog post about how I do the renders. However, there's a reason I haven't asked for any help with them yet, and that's because I don't want help. I have very strict quality requirements and if I had someone else doing the same thing, I would still feel like I needed to go check everyone's work, which would just take more time. I appreciate the offer to help, but you actually are helping. I can't do renders of characters, so while you do characters, I do weapons and armor. If you still want to read the blog post to learn you can, but I'd really prefer to just do the renders myself User_blog:HaLo2FrEeEk/Ooooh,_shiny!.

On a side note, I didn't mean to offend or anything when I called you dude, that's just what I do. I call everyone dude, including my wife. I don't mean it like, literally "a dude" it's just a title, I guess. Sorry. HaLo2FrEeEk (talk) 22:54, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Leveled armor
I noticed that a few seconds after I added in the merge template. Ah well. No harm done. Also, if you're interested, would you mind capitalizing Category:Leveled heavy armor and Category:Leveled light armor as well? I noticed that many of the pages in the Leveled armor category are also in those, so it shouldn't be any extra work. Thanks again and keep up the great work! --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  16:58, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Another thing: it looks like you need to archive your talk page soon. Details on that can be found at Help:Talk page, if you're interested. Should you encounter any troubles, you know I'm here to help :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  17:00, February 4, 2012 (UTC)