Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-1600847-20161103125247/@comment-26801133-20161108203107

Terawolf119 wrote: /\ This is awesome, thank you S'Dalaar the Snowcat, but he's a waste of time I've tried so many times to show him truth, it hasn't worked, even other imperials are agaisnt him on certain points. No worries!^^ Yeah, I am beginning to see that. Also all these text walls is hurting my soul. I will only respond to some of the statements and leave it at that, and then wait for an Imperial supporter with actual substance.

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Ulfric challenged Torygg, that's the Nordic custom. Ulfric shouted during said duel, not part of the custom, thus cheating. The only one who didn't care for Nord tradition was Ulfric, with his betrayal of the Greybeards, Moot and High King. The rebellion started a few years prior to the death of Torygg, talk to Vulwulf Snow-Shod, he'll tell you all about it.

The Nords have no specific rule of what arsenal you may use in duels. Blades, axes, bows, magic all are allowed. Even shouting. So how is him shouting breaking the Nord traditions? I doubt you have a valid answer for that.

Not everyone's agreed to the Moot without doubt is because of Ulfric.

Ulfric inspired the other Jarls to rebel, but did not force them. People like Skald and Laila supports his beliefs willingly. Not to mention his entire Stormcloak army of former soldiers and civilians who volunteered to fight for him. You are giving Ulfric way too much credit. He sparked the fire, but it grew on its own.

Too bad Jarl Laila won't rule over Skyrim, Ulfric represents the core of the Stormcloaks, when he leads, Skyrim will become an image of Windhelm.

Ever heard of the 'Scourge of the Gray Quarter'? Ever heard how the Dunmer and Argonians talk about Ulfric? They hate Ulfric, Ulfric's a racist and, because he's the Jarl, people started acting like he did. And of course you call it BS, you dislike it.

Proof? How do you know this? Of everything Ulfric has revealed of his visions, he has never ever mentioned any plans of oppressing any non-Nords. The only hints of any racism from Ulfric comes from the Dunmer and Argonaians, who are obviously biased against him. And there are theories in that book that indicate that the Dunmer took advantage of the hospitality of the Nords until Ulfric put a stop to it. So of course the Dunmer hate Ulfric, because he took their benefits away and made them work to earn their own keep. Seems to me you listen to one side only and shut your ears from the other. Not surprising...

Also, so you mean that the Nords of Windhelm are just as mindless as zombies? And that Laila will magically turn racist only because of Ulfric? The Jarls of Skyrim answer to the High King, but still rule their cities on their own.

Are you seriously this ignorant? The people pay taxes, what do you think happens with taxes? Same thing as in real life, restoration if needed. The only reason there is no room anywhere is because of game mechanics. According to the lore, even if there would be room the Dunmer wouldn't be allowed out. They say they have to live somewhere, so they are forced to live somewhere. Can't you read context? And yes it was Ulfric's decree.

'Did you know it was Ulfric's decree that forbade us from living inside the city walls?' - Scouts-Many-Marshes

You are right on that, except for one thing; Tamriel does not equal planet Earth. For future reference, I suggest you don't compare real life to the Elder Scrolls franchise. They are far too different from each other. I can only speak from my experience in the game and from what I see, the government in each Hold are not responsible for maintenance of property. That is up to the individual owner.

A single Argonian says its Ulfric's decree. The book says that it has existed since Hoag Mer-Killer in the first era, long before when Ulfric was even born. The game has given us conflicting information where the player will decide what is right. You are free to believe what you wish. But remember, it is your own beliefs, not facts.

The only one who use the word "have to" is Ambarys. And he is incredibly biased and racist to the Nords. Its funny how despise racism but will only listen to the words of a racist and not to the less biased Dunmer(like Belyn Hlaalu and Faryl Atheron), who will admit that the situation isnt as bad as it looks. Also, as Niranye says: ''"The dark elves are too proud and naive to understand the way things truly are, and so they continue to dwell in that slum." Seems to me it is more their choice to stay in the slum rather than associating with the Nords.''

Tullius isn't racist towards Nords, he just hates their culture, and logically so, it's hindering him at every turn. Also, you quote Tullius when he's speaking about Balgruuf refusing the Legion's right, I quoted Ulfric when he and Galmar were speaking of the Jarls about the Moot big difference between the two. Also, isn't Ulfric the living evidence that Skyrim would fall into barbarism and lawlessness?

Hating a culture could also be racism. Because the Nords think a different way than an Imperial, he doesn't like them for it. Lol what I did there with quoting Tullius was proving how retarded your point was when you quoted Ulfric the same way. I guess you couldn't see the irony when I did that. Also, rebellion does not equal barbarism. Hope you know that.

Please, do prove that the Empire can't keep their Holds safe. That's what Ulfric's plan is, to rebuild Skyrim into a powerful army -- aka -- force-recruit soldiers. Ulfric fights because he wants the throne, the Empire fights Ulfric because they don't want an idiot on the throne. Do you have any idea what the word asset means? Ulfric was a Thalmor Agent from somewhere during the Great War until 4E 176. 'After the war contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.' -Thalmor Dossier: Ulfric StormcloakCut out the ignorance. Nothing backing it up? Ever heard of Nepos the Nose? He basically confirms the book, and afterward, tries to have you killed for knowing too much. Also, just so you know, the guards of Markarth were bribed by the Silver-Bloods, who support the Stormcloaks, Braig being imprisoned is to blame on them, not Hrolfdir, not Igmund, but the Silver-Bloods. 'Doomed struggle against fate.' thank you for reading. Tell me, what was his struggle? Exactly, the war, he states his war was destined to fail. The Stormcloak's are equal in size to Tullius' Legion. It is evident in that all Imperial cities and forts a replaced with the same amount of Stormcloaks when they take over. If the Stormcloaks cant defend their holds, neither can the Imperials with the same amount of soldiers. Tullius cannot request reinforcement due to: "Most of the Legion is tied down at the border of the Aldmeri Dominion. The Emperor cannot afford risk weakening Cyrodiil's defenses." - Tullius. Meaning if the Legion falls or withdraws from Skyrim, it will become helpless.

Tullius only cares about the war, drains their Holds of resources while leaving them to fend for themselves, as heard here: ''"We lost another five guardsmen, my Jarl. If General Tullius continues to conscript our men and send them off to battle, we'll have none left to protect the city." - ''Bolgeir

Unless you have concrete evidence that shows that Ulfric plans on force-recruiting soldiers, I am not going to buy your argument. I prefer facts over biased opinions.

And yes, I do know what an asset is. An asset is a useful or valuable thing or person. Anything that could serve someone else a purpose becomes an asset. Doesn't have to be an ally. It could even be your worst enemy as long as he benefits you. In the dossier it says that he is uncooperative, so I would say Ulfric holds no love for the Thalmor. Contact being established refers to the Thalmor has created a link between them and Ulfric, most likely through espionage, infitration and intelligence collecting. There is no evidence of Ulfric having a direct association to the Thalmor, which is highly unlikely. Why would he work for the same people who tortured him in captivity? See, unlike you, I do have a definition of what an asset is.

Nepos only confirmed that Ulfric retook the city from the Reachmen and killed all soldiers who didn't surrender. Which aren't atrocities, it is part of war. The Silver-Bloods may have thrown Braig in prison, but it was the Imperial Jarl, not being in the Silver-Bloods pockets, who ordered the death of his innocent daughter. Dont try to deny it.

Um, no. The fate he referred to is of the End Times; the world being devoured by Alduin, as was written in prophecy. I think most people understood that. Then again, most people have a functioning brain too.