Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-11276487-20130714031200/@comment-13446185-20131004184919

Nazul Rostello wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: I swear to god I've told you this before, the Old Gods were probably outlawed after the Markarth Incident, as there is no reason to outlaw them before hand

LOL are you kidding me! none of the disputes would even had happened if the Reachmen never decided to cross the Borders of the Western Reach into the true Reach. All the disputes are caused when the Reachmen break away from Skyrim, which will always be the case because THE REACH IS PART OF SKYRIM. Correct, the Forsworn Uprising happened after the incident, but before that the natives were having a disagreement with the Nord's law over the Reach. The Reach is part of Skyrim, but the Reach was never belong to the Nords. Saying the Reach belong to the Nords is like saying Winterhold belong to the Dunmer, just because many of the dark elves used to live there for centuries before the Great Collapse.

the Nords were never the predominant culture in the region. Seems legit, it's not like Nords lived in the Reach since before Reachmen even existed. Heh! we can say the same thing to the Dwemer. For all we know they have been living in the Reach long before the Nords and Reachmen even arrived there.

One of the contradictions here is the question of how long the Dwemer have inhabited Skyirm. As you know many Dwarven ruins in Skyrim dated back to the Late Merethic. The only texts we can put anywhere near a timeline contradict one another. Dwemer Inquiries Vol. 1 suggests that the Dwemer only arrived in Skyrim with the Rourken Clan's appearance in the region (1E 420), while The Aetherium Wars implies they've been around since at least Harald's reign. The thing is, Dwemer are absent from most of Nordic lore and the Snow Elves texts we have refering to them are undateable.

We don't know if this just an in-game satire trying to make the Nords the bad cavemen race or Bethesda way of trolling gamers. Saying the Reach belong to the Nords is like saying Winterhold belong to the Dunmer, just because many of the dark elves used to live there for centuries before the Great Collapse.

I haven't said once that the Reach belongs to the Nords, I'm only stating that it definitely doesn't belong to the Reachmen. The Reach belongs to Skyrim and the Reachmen need to respect that.

'Heh! we can say the same thing to the Dwemer. For all we know they have been living in the Reach long before the Nords and Reachmen even arrived there.'

The Dwemer living in Skyrim is one of those things that Bethesda just completely messed up in the lore. Sort of like all those Draugr who shouldn't actually be draugr (Borgas, One-Eye, Red Eagle, etc.)

Though it is possible the Dwemer were in Skyrim before the Atmorans I would have to doubt it, as the Dwemer would have crushed the 500 companions.