Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-9062114-20151024212230/@comment-4544033-20151029231735

I would like to focus on a few point. I have been meaning to say somthing, and have even written large comments to this, but have yet to post anything. I may repeat sutff or say things we don't need/want to see again, but I want to get this all out.

Sajuuk used to be a good editor here, he handled jobs that needed to be touched but never where, we always had jobs like that, and always will, the problems came when he would get into arguments because the Admins had a different outlook on things. I recall him arguing with Tomb and Ebony about them not deleting every 2-link Disambiguation page he marked. Even if we assume that they former admins where all no good (something I do no believe) we cannot expect them to just delete 200 articles because you say they are pointless. Tim, Atve, and myself have found uses for many of these articles, from lore pages to finding other pages we can add to these list. One could argue this case either way, from the admins needing to move faster to Sajuuk marking articles for deletion without looking for a fix to the problem.

He is also responsible for several editors leaving, either because of him, in protest supporting him, or due to what felt like weekly arguments between him and the "terrible corrupt staff". Even with them being gone for over a year he still brings them up, I had a member of the VSTF come to me when I was in the community central chat and ask me why Sakuuk was complaining about our wiki and who Jimeee was. When he gets mad at us, he drags our wikis reputation through the mud in the wikia hub, where editors and staff from all over get to see it.

Moving back to the admins, even if some of them needed to go for whatever reasons, you cannot tell me that Jimeee, Tomb, EbonySkyrim, Ghost, and Kenny all had to leave. But they did, and I know at least three of them credit Sajuuk as a reason they left. He made the wiki toxic for them, dogging every action or inaction. He even bothered some of them on other wikis or on Steam. This behavior created a rift between community and staff, they rarely used the chat as it was, but why would they want to when Sajuuk would PM them to complain EVERY SINGLE TIME they entered.

We also lost two chat mods/lore masters when he resigned as pattroler. They where discussing resigning anyway from what I remember, but Sajuuks departure accelerated things and we had to block one for kicking everybody out of just "as a sign of his resignation". A user named Aldmeri left at this time as well due to regular arguments, something Sajuuk was in the middle of every time. This is eight editors leaving who we can tie Sajuuk to. Some are stronger then others, and perhaps some needed to go, but all eight?

As for his contributions as an editor here, they have decreased with each departure. Prior to this last event, most of what he did was alter links. He has been staff twice, he lost his chat mod rights via a CT, and he lost his Patroller rights when he resigned when I refused to lift his three day ban. You can see that conversation on my Central talk page here

After his most recent return, he had it on his profile he was only going to help with policy. This means he came back to talk about rules and regulations that effect us, without actually being involved in our community. So as far as I see it, he himself has shown he is past editing here, he didn't plan to edit then, and on his profile he says he dosnt intend to come back.

We have wikia saying it was a bot, and I find the odds that somebody else with the same IP coming here right after we block him very low odds. So he deserved to be blocked for that. A sock puppet is not something we take lightly, and this is not his first ban, so a longer block is needed. And even if we say the ban was for his block, we (that admins) spoke about this before hand, his past actions, listed above and below show a user with temper and control issues who has proven to become less of a boon and more of a liability to this wiki as time goes on. I ask that you all look at this from a slightly different view point. Over the last two years, I have watched the community lose some of the best editors I knew, the editors who trained me, I watched regular CT's that took our notice from editing and resulting in arguments and hurt feelings. And I have to look at all of this and ask my self why I decided to ignore admins and wiki staff who said I could, and should, just block him instead of waiting as he hurts more people. If you ask me, I say the year fits for his current and past behavior, as well as for the well being of this wiki.

It may not be nice, but this wiki needs a chance to grow, and with luck we can go a year without a CT turning into a flame war or editors storming off because of the arguing and toxic chat room.

Here are a few CT threads I think point out some of the reasoning mentioned.


 * This CT is his most recent, it ended when it was criticized for having no examples of changes or problems. Sajuuk then redacted all of his comments, and at one point even renamed it.
 * We have a CT that ended with a flame war, and no positive results.
 * Here is the CT calling for the removal of his chat mod rights, to give a idea as to why we removed him. Again, he shows the pattern of not showing any care for his actions, and turning to a temper tantrum when it doesn't go his way.  Calling editors (Harold Burned-Mane)  irrelevant and telling them to F off.  His first ban came a week later for harassing Ebony on her talk page.

I am sorry for the long post, and I can only hope that while I have been writing this, that I have not missed anything.