User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20171102


 * 00:00:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they can't
 * 00:00:32: Jr seriel: Then how did azura create the prophecy of the nevarinne
 * 00:01:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: azura did not create nerevar. she made him reincarnate
 * 00:02:27: Jr seriel: Thus creating life
 * 00:03:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: but not creating a mortal
 * 00:03:51: Jr seriel: So they can reincarnate whoever they like ?
 * 00:05:17: RenzXVI: I wouldn't count resurrecting someone as creating life. Serana can do that too. XD
 * 00:06:51: ShawnCognitionCP: Souls are not creating life.
 * 00:07:06: ShawnCognitionCP: For them to reincarnate, they have to have a claim over their soul.
 * 00:07:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Azura stands against the Tribunal, those that betrayed Nerevar and were his friends.
 * 00:07:37: ShawnCognitionCP: He died, his now godly-friends have no domain thus no claim to souls, she used this.
 * 00:07:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Put his soul in X body
 * 00:07:52: ShawnCognitionCP: When reincarnated, the "code" of the soul is erased.
 * 00:08:01: Jr seriel: Got it thank you
 * 00:08:32: ShawnCognitionCP: No knowledge, no memories of before. Just like when you're first born. However, connection to prophecy (which isn't fact of what will happen, but rather what /may/ happen, in TES) and certain skills may remain.
 * 00:09:28: Jr seriel: I wonder if the Deadra fight over the souls of very prominent mortals then
 * 00:09:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: doesn't the nerevarine regain their memories as Nerevar upon wearing the moon-and-star though (been a while since i played this quest, might be wrong)
 * 00:10:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, he didn't have that memory at his birth, though. It took magical methods to recover.
 * 00:10:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Only if they have a claim, Seriel.
 * 00:11:08: ShawnCognitionCP: You can't just say "he's mine", unless you capture them like some more evil ones may.
 * 00:11:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Such as H.Mora to LDB and Miraak.
 * 00:11:42: ShawnCognitionCP: If they die, you have a claim if they served you, wagered or sold their soul, or lived by the dogma of your domain.
 * 00:11:44: Jr seriel: Exactly
 * 00:12:01: Jr seriel: And got it
 * 00:12:13: ShawnCognitionCP: If they both have a claim, it's possible.
 * 00:12:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Though, most fights would be avoided, they're aware of their powerscale.
 * 00:12:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes Dagon would wreck just about every Daedra but H.Mora.
 * 00:12:58: Jr seriel: Seems like it is best to just avoid them all together if I was living in this time then
 * 00:13:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Maybe Sheogorath, only due to his untapped potential.
 * 00:13:08: ShawnCognitionCP: if Sheogorath wasn't insane, he'd be the strongest by far.
 * 00:13:21: ShawnCognitionCP: His insanity is his limiter, he can't use his power to its potential as a result.
 * 00:13:22: Jr seriel: Boethiah was always my favorite
 * 00:15:07: ShawnCognitionCP: H.Mora isn't as strong as Mehrunes, but his knowledge likely encompasses knowledge on how to banish him back to his plain, if need be.
 * 00:15:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Very few bits of knowledge escape H.Mora.
 * 00:15:18: Jr seriel: Were there any dwemer who worshipped or made deals and what not with deadra?
 * 00:15:26: Jr seriel: I know they generally didn't like deadra
 * 00:15:27: ShawnCognitionCP: The secret of CHIM was shockingly known by Molag Bal and not H.Mora.
 * 00:15:53: ShawnCognitionCP: I can't say none worshiped the Aedra or Daedra, but it was certainly hated by the very, very large majority.
 * 00:15:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's known by Mehrunes Dagon too right?
 * 00:16:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Numidium was their "God" when they constructed him.
 * 00:16:09: Qahnaarin1997: Skaal were able to keep knowledge from H.Mora for a time, but in the end he found it.
 * 00:16:17: Jr seriel: I was having this conversation with nekyn alb yesterday
 * 00:16:20: ShawnCognitionCP: I do not believe so, Ash.
 * 00:16:26: Jr seriel: Can you use the skeleton key on a deadra
 * 00:16:32: ShawnCognitionCP: What?
 * 00:16:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i thought he informed mankar camoran about it
 * 00:17:01: ShawnCognitionCP: I don't think it was flat out CHIM.
 * 00:17:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence Mankar needing to use the Razor.
 * 00:17:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Instead of just CHIMing himself into a dragonborn Altmer.
 * 00:17:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
 * 00:17:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: mankar definitely knew of chim though
 * 00:18:03: Jr seriel: Nekyn stated that the only way to unlock knowledge with the skeleton key was if someone contained the knowledge in which you would essentially steal the knowledge from their mind. So mehrunes dagon knows how to use the Razer to reshape folks
 * 00:18:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes. You may be right.
 * 00:18:31: ShawnCognitionCP: I'm not sure, seeing as it's an artifact below their powerscale, Seriel.
 * 00:18:35: ShawnCognitionCP: It may or may not work.
 * 00:18:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Headcanon is your only way to know, I guess.
 * 00:18:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Or leave it ambiguous.
 * 00:18:53: Nekyn Alb: Nocturnal is generally seen as above their level and it works on Sotha
 * 00:19:00: Jr seriel: His evidence had to do with nocturnal using the skeleton key on sothal sil
 * 00:19:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Sotha Sil isn't a Daedra.
 * 00:19:06: Jr seriel: Yes
 * 00:19:11: ShawnCognitionCP: We're speaking Mehrunes Dagon and H.Mora.
 * 00:19:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Both of which are stronger than Nocturnal.
 * 00:19:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'd say trying to use it on nocturnal would probably backfire, as it's her artifact. it might work on the others though
 * 00:19:19: Nekyn Alb: Still pretty strong and in his own realm
 * 00:19:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Sotha Sil could be killed by mortal means.
 * 00:19:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Unlike Daedra.
 * 00:19:42: Nekyn Alb: We don't have a scale for Nocturnal, she is the Ur-dra
 * 00:19:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Stab him with a kitchen knife and he dies.
 * 00:19:53: Nekyn Alb: He'd just wake up
 * 00:20:10: ShawnCognitionCP: That's because she was the only being to ever swap alignment/being from Aedra to Daedra.
 * 00:20:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Doesn't mean she's more powerful.
 * 00:20:21: Nekyn Alb: Source?
 * 00:20:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nocturnal was aedra?
 * 00:20:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes Dagon was created purely to be the ultimate destructive force, excluding Alduin and Numidium.
 * 00:20:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Source for the Mehrunes bit being The Eating Birth of Dagon.
 * 00:20:48: ShawnCognitionCP: I'll fetch first
 * 00:20:52: Nekyn Alb: No, Nocturnal
 * 00:21:08: ShawnCognitionCP: That's what I meant by "first"
 * 00:21:16: Nekyn Alb: ah
 * 00:22:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: isn't the definition of daedra a god that did not participate in creation? how can one go from a god who participated into a god who did not? undo your contributions?
 * 00:22:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, it is
 * 00:22:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Again, fetching
 * 00:23:16: Jr seriel: I am still curious about this skeleton key fiasco
 * 00:24:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Okay, first off, "Ur" means "First". That's all. Nocturnal gets this title from claiming to be an aspect of the void itself. AKA, existence without a dreaming godhead, or the dream. Just nothingness. Her power is in the fact she claims to have the first claim on all souls, which is a metaphor for death (nonexistence) having claim over all "souls". Her power is showingly limited, seeing as she has never once prevented any of her artifacts from being stolen, nor recovered them.
 * 00:25:03: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/nocturnal
 * 00:25:34: ShawnCognitionCP: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fragmentae_Abyssum_Hermaeus_Morus
 * 00:25:40: ShawnCognitionCP: H.Mora also is called the Ur-Dra here.
 * 00:25:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, pre-ur-dra.
 * 00:25:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Before the First, in translation.
 * 00:26:04: ShawnCognitionCP: "Older than Ada"
 * 00:26:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Ur-Dra is a self-given name from Nocturnal to herself.
 * 00:26:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Because she believes herself to be an aspect of nothingness.
 * 00:26:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Which is always before existence.
 * 00:26:43: Nekyn Alb: Mora is Magnus' thrown away plans
 * 00:27:23: ShawnCognitionCP: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Secrets_Overheard_in_Apocrypha
 * 00:27:30: ShawnCognitionCP: This also calls H.Mora the Ur-Dra in place.
 * 00:28:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Nocturnal certainly holds power above select Daedra, Namira and Vaermina, as this user highlights-
 * 00:28:12: ShawnCognitionCP: "Namira are things which crawl IN the Darkness.

Vaermina are the imagined horrors that come WITH the Darkness.

Nocturnal IS Darkness." My bad, typo. On the "most powerful" being: Talos. The HoonDing.
 * 00:28:38: ShawnCognitionCP: But, Namira is the darkness in which claims to have birthed Lorkhan.
 * 00:28:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Conflicting sources are key to TES' ambiguity.
 * 00:29:05: ShawnCognitionCP: When debating powerscale of Daedra, we can't take their own word, so Namira and Nocturnal are iffy.
 * 00:29:16: ShawnCognitionCP: We can however, base their powerscale on /accomplishments/.
 * 00:29:29: Jr seriel: Interesting
 * 00:29:32: ShawnCognitionCP: In this, Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal take head, with Sheogorath just below.
 * 00:30:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Boethiah must be just below, seeing as she actually succeeded in "killing" another Daedra forever.
 * 00:30:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Triminac, turning him into Malacath.
 * 00:30:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Who follows after that is hard to say.
 * 00:30:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i thought Triminac was aedra
 * 00:31:04: Nekyn Alb: Trinimac to Malacath
 * 00:31:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Et'Ada, I meant.
 * 00:31:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Pre-Aedra and Daedra.
 * 00:31:26: Nekyn Alb: ah, he just miswrote
 * 00:31:45: Nekyn Alb: Trinimac wasn't Pre-Aedra, he was an Aedra
 * 00:31:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Except not, truly, since he died in the fucking first era
 * 00:32:09: Nekyn Alb: Who?
 * 00:32:16: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 00:32:17: ShawnCognitionCP: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Trinimac
 * 00:32:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Triminac
 * 00:32:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Referred to strictly as an Et'Ada.
 * 00:32:38: The Crusader of Truth: o/
 * 00:32:47: ShawnCognitionCP: We still see post-Nirn-creation Et'Ada.
 * 00:32:52: ShawnCognitionCP: you encounter one in ESO.
 * 00:32:58: Jr seriel: Who?
 * 00:32:58: Nekyn Alb: He was Auriel's right hand and was present at Convention
 * 00:33:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Pretty sure ESO is gay and just calls it "spirit"
 * 00:33:23: Nekyn Alb: I think those are Earthbones
 * 00:34:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, the Jil
 * 00:34:13: Nekyn Alb: There are the elemental Earthbones, the ones who look like ghost people and call themselves Y'ffre and some others
 * 00:34:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Those fuckers that fix dragonbreaks
 * 00:34:18: Jr seriel: Can we stop using "gay" derogatorily please
 * 00:35:04: Nekyn Alb: It's just a joke, we use stereotypes on everything
 * 00:35:23: ShawnCognitionCP: ^
 * 00:35:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Don't get offended, we insult each other and use overblown comments a lot.
 * 00:35:41: Nekyn Alb: I'm not saying that there aren't Ada, the Ge are probably mostly pure Ada
 * 00:36:25: Nekyn Alb: But Trinimac was definitely Aedra or he wouldn't have been there with the other ones all the time
 * 00:36:58: ShawnCognitionCP: I concede on that front. Makes a lot more sense he was an Aedra than a pure Et'Ada regardless of how he's referred to in lorebooks.
 * 00:37:30: Nekyn Alb: And now Nocturnal, Aedra to Daedra, how? Where?
 * 00:37:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Magna'Ge
 * 00:37:50: ShawnCognitionCP: That's it
 * 00:37:52: ShawnCognitionCP: She was a magna'ge
 * 00:38:15: ShawnCognitionCP: NO
 * 00:38:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Meridia
 * 00:38:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i know meridia was originally magna ge, but i don't think nocturnal was
 * 00:38:28: ShawnCognitionCP: That was a clusterfuck
 * 00:38:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes
 * 00:38:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Meridia
 * 00:38:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Got confused, I'm debating lore for a franchise I haven't played in a year+, or looked into lore on.
 * 00:38:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Merid-Nunda.
 * 00:39:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes Dagon also was.
 * 00:39:34: ShawnCognitionCP: The Leaper Demon King was a Magna'Ge
 * 00:39:41: ShawnCognitionCP: And then Alduin made him 180
 * 00:40:29: Jr seriel: Wait how did alduin make him 180?
 * 00:40:43: Nekyn Alb: Good, thought I'd missed some big Nocturnal lore
 * 00:41:03: ShawnCognitionCP: The Leaper Demon King was saintly and tried to spare things from the end of the kalpa by hiding them from Alduin.
 * 00:41:13: ShawnCognitionCP: He succeeded in some regard, namely the Hist Trees.
 * 00:41:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Alduin found this out and turned him into Mehrunes Dagon, so that he'd destroy, and never save again.
 * 00:41:29: Nekyn Alb: Technically TLDK was Aedra in the last Kalpa, would make more sense than the Ge who didn't care
 * 00:41:58: ShawnCognitionCP: TLDK is supposed to be personally more empathetic and caring to all things, iirc
 * 00:42:49: Nekyn Alb: Yes, like an Aedra would be. The Ge didn't give a fuck about creation
 * 00:42:59: Jr seriel: So what exactly exists outside of the current kalpa?
 * 00:43:19: Nekyn Alb: Except for Magnus and maybe Mnemoli of course
 * 00:43:20: Jr seriel: Besides the vois
 * 00:43:22: Jr seriel: Void
 * 00:43:23: Jr seriel: *
 * 00:43:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Lyg
 * 00:43:36: Nekyn Alb: Parts of Aetherius
 * 00:43:44: ShawnCognitionCP: And then nonexistence.
 * 00:43:47: ShawnCognitionCP: The void.
 * 00:44:00: Jr seriel: Sorry. I meant who?
 * 00:44:12: Nekyn Alb: The ones who walk between the stars
 * 00:44:21: Nekyn Alb: So a lot of Ada
 * 00:44:37: Nekyn Alb: Gods who learned to survive Alduin
 * 00:44:41: Jr seriel: And I thought lyg was on nirn so wouldn't that change after the kalpa
 * 00:44:51: Nekyn Alb: It's a parallel dimension
 * 00:44:57: Jr seriel: How many ada are there ?
 * 00:44:59: ShawnCognitionCP: It's a Nirn from a previous Kalpa where Molag Bal tool over the word with his Druegh army.
 * 00:45:15: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/28ctvz/mehrunes_the_razor_dagon_mehrunes_dagon/
 * 00:46:20: Nekyn Alb: I think Lyg was irl created when the sprinklers in the room went on where MK, Kuhlmann and someone developed Nirn. At least that's what MK said once or twice
 * 00:47:03: Jr seriel: I thought tamriel left an imprint when the world was folded and that is lyg.
 * 00:47:27: Jr seriel: Which why some folks think that it's a continent not a planet
 * 00:47:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Mirror to previous kalpa, hence fold in kalpa
 * 00:47:44: ShawnCognitionCP: brb
 * 00:49:16: Jr seriel: I wonder if we will have a game where we travel to lyg to stop landfall from happening
 * 00:49:30: Jr seriel: By changing the previous kalpa
 * 00:49:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no
 * 00:49:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the previous kalpa has ended
 * 00:50:08: Jr seriel: So then what is lyg doing ?
 * 00:51:58: Nekyn Alb: There could be transkalpic travel but I forgot where I read that
 * 00:52:15: Nekyn Alb: Lyg is just being there, probably not very mortal-friendly
 * 00:52:58: Jr seriel: That's what I am looking for transkalpic travel. Sounds like a future tes plot
 * 00:53:56: The Crusader of Truth: What if Pelinal travels kalpas as well as time (kappa)
 * 00:54:07: Jr seriel: Oooo
 * 00:54:48: The Crusader of Truth: /Because killing Mer in one Kalpa wasn't enough/
 * 00:55:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Back
 * 00:55:08: Jr seriel: What if another ada inceptions his way into the other ada's kalpa dream head. And changes the whole thing
 * 00:55:16: ShawnCognitionCP: There's only one godhead.
 * 00:55:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Anu.
 * 00:55:22: Jr seriel: Anu sorry
 * 00:55:26: ShawnCognitionCP: If there's another, it replaces the previous.
 * 00:55:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence Anu replacing whoever was before them through The Walking Way and Amaranth.
 * 00:55:52: ShawnCognitionCP: And then later getting replaced, I believe Nekyn pointed out.
 * 00:56:25: Jr seriel: So I must ask again, what is going on in lyg day to day?
 * 00:56:51: Nekyn Alb: I said that Jubavehk created the new Amaranth but I'm against the new Dreamer replacing the old one
 * 00:56:59: Nekyn Alb: Even RottenDeadite agrees with that
 * 00:57:30: ShawnCognitionCP: We know for a fact Anu is the current godhead and wasn't before.
 * 00:57:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Thus
 * 00:57:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Replaced
 * 00:57:57: Jr seriel: Who decides who gets to be the current godhead
 * 00:58:08: ShawnCognitionCP: No one.
 * 00:58:13: ShawnCognitionCP: You achieve Amaranth.
 * 00:58:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Which is waking up the previous and then falling asleep yourself.
 * 00:58:34: ShawnCognitionCP: When the previous wakes up, the kalpa ceases to exist- no dream.
 * 00:58:48: Nekyn Alb: "wasn't before so he replaced" is a leap in logic
 * 00:58:55: Nekyn Alb: There can be multiple Amaranths
 * 00:58:57: Jr seriel: What are the rest of the anu doing in the mean time ?
 * 00:59:07: Jr seriel: And what happens to the anu after they finish dreaming
 * 00:59:11: ShawnCognitionCP: >dream is purely the creation of the godhead's dream
 * 00:59:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Nothing
 * 00:59:16: ShawnCognitionCP: They dream again
 * 00:59:23: ShawnCognitionCP: There's one Anu, that's his /name/, not a title.
 * 00:59:40: ShawnCognitionCP: When they wake up, they fall asleep again. Which is a new kalpa.
 * 00:59:42: Nekyn Alb: actschually, there might be two
 * 00:59:51: Nekyn Alb: Anu the Godhead and Anu the deity
 * 00:59:56: Jr seriel: Okay so who is capable of being an Anu
 * 01:00:00: ShawnCognitionCP: "From the Anuad we can presume that Anu was a man, common enough, who had a brother and a wife, his brother kills his wife out of jealously and Anu goes into a catatonic state out of his sorrow and starts hallucinating and ends up achieving Amaranth."
 * 01:00:07: ShawnCognitionCP: You can't "be an Anu".
 * 01:00:08: ShawnCognitionCP: It's
 * 01:00:08: ShawnCognitionCP: His
 * 01:00:09: ShawnCognitionCP: name
 * 01:00:15: ShawnCognitionCP: "How does one become a Seriel"
 * 01:00:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, Anu the deity is a misnomer for the first Aka-Shard.
 * 01:00:26: Nekyn Alb: Anu is a Dreamer, Godhead, Amaranth
 * 01:00:36: Jr seriel: My gosh that is some weird malarchy
 * 01:00:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Anu is the name of the current Godhead.
 * 01:00:44: Nekyn Alb: That's Anui-El, I know what I'm talking about
 * 01:00:46: ShawnCognitionCP: He was named Anu in his mortal life.
 * 01:01:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, exactly
 * 01:01:10: ShawnCognitionCP: "Any the deity" is just the first Aka-shard.
 * 01:01:14: Jr seriel: So much contradiciting sources
 * 01:01:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Anu*
 * 01:01:22: ShawnCognitionCP: No, no sources but that have been posted, lol.
 * 01:01:35: Nekyn Alb: Anu and Padomay might have been the forces that sparked any kind of creation existing. Or even the Void
 * 01:01:39: ShawnCognitionCP: In-game books are the in-game author's version of events, or their understanding.
 * 01:01:45: ShawnCognitionCP: They are
 * 01:01:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Padomay is just the dream, Anu is the dreamer.
 * 01:02:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Padomay is not sentient whatsoever, does not think.
 * 01:02:02: Nekyn Alb: The Anuad is a weird book because it holds so much correct and incorrect info
 * 01:02:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence the need to create Sithis.
 * 01:02:17: ShawnCognitionCP: "Created a sentient shard of himself to know himself and experience"
 * 01:02:35: Jr seriel: So after Anu wakes up and continues his farmer life. Then what
 * 01:02:41: ShawnCognitionCP: He doesn't.
 * 01:02:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Once you're the godhead, you're the godhead.
 * 01:02:49: Jr seriel: Some other rndon farmer misses his wife and becomes the next Anu?
 * 01:02:55: Nekyn Alb: Oh no, not saying their sentient. Just like Sithis they are pure forces, the interaction sparks any action to begin in the Dream
 * 01:02:56: ShawnCognitionCP: The kalpa in which he was a farmer is over.
 * 01:03:00: ShawnCognitionCP: That's a previous dream.
 * 01:03:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Again
 * 01:03:06: ShawnCognitionCP: if the godhead wakes up
 * 01:03:08: Nekyn Alb: Deity was the wrong word, I see
 * 01:03:14: ShawnCognitionCP: The dream ends and they instantly fall back asleep
 * 01:03:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Waking up the godhead just ends the current kalpa and them falling asleep starts the next.
 * 01:03:36: ShawnCognitionCP: It's pretty much the "reset" button.
 * 01:03:48: Jr seriel: So the same farmer guy keeps going back to sleep and dreaming a new kalpa?
 * 01:04:02: ShawnCognitionCP: He's no longer a farmer.
 * 01:04:11: ShawnCognitionCP: To achieve Amaranth you first have to achieve CHIM.
 * 01:04:15: ShawnCognitionCP: In doing so, you become a god.
 * 01:04:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Then you will follow the Walking Ways.
 * 01:04:23: Nekyn Alb: Or a new universe, I'm not sure if I agree with the Kalpa thing
 * 01:04:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Which are essentially based upon pure selfishness but somehow remaining generous.
 * 01:04:42: ShawnCognitionCP: (Purposefully contradictory)
 * 01:04:55: ShawnCognitionCP: We do not know any of the other steps, excluding that the first is CHIM and the last is Amaranth.
 * 01:05:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Amaranth is becoming the godhead. The current dream is therein over, you end that kalpa and fall asleep.
 * 01:05:16: ShawnCognitionCP: You become the godhead.
 * 01:06:02: Nekyn Alb: Kalpas may be in the Dream, but I definitely see the reasoning you probably have
 * 01:06:03: Jr seriel: So when someone else acheives amaranth the Anu wakes up and goes about his business. And then the new amaranth achieve becomes Anu and begins a new kalpa?
 * 01:06:21: Jr seriel: Acheiver*
 * 01:06:22: ShawnCognitionCP: No.
 * 01:06:27: ShawnCognitionCP: the previous godhead ceases to exist.
 * 01:06:33: ShawnCognitionCP: They are no longer the dreamer, nor are they in the dream.
 * 01:06:36: Nekyn Alb: The starwalkers are the ones who survive kalpas so they might just be dream leftovers
 * 01:06:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Poof, gone
 * 01:06:50: ShawnCognitionCP: And also, for the fourth time
 * 01:06:54: ShawnCognitionCP: You do not become Anu.
 * 01:06:57: Nekyn Alb: xD
 * 01:07:01: ShawnCognitionCP: If your name is George
 * 01:07:04: ShawnCognitionCP: And you become the godhead
 * 01:07:07: ShawnCognitionCP: The godhead is now George
 * 01:07:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Not Anu
 * 01:07:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Anu is his fucking name.
 * 01:07:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Not a title.
 * 01:07:18: Jr seriel: Yes I meant figuratively sorry
 * 01:07:36: ShawnCognitionCP: I forgive you.
 * 01:08:09: Jr seriel: Sounds like achieving amaranth is a major bummer
 * 01:08:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Real world mythology is often macabre.
 * 01:08:52: Nekyn Alb: Shawn, I think I now see where you're coming from. Because it's unlikely for a Dreamer to just stay comatose in the Amaranth that exists around him, his Dream "kills" the old one. Correct?
 * 01:08:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Michael Kirkbride studied global and historic religion and based TES lore on it.
 * 01:09:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes.
 * 01:09:14: Nekyn Alb: aka straight-out ripped the source material (kappa)
 * 01:09:21: ShawnCognitionCP: ^^^
 * 01:10:02: ShawnCognitionCP: When replaced, the dreamer is no longer in the Amaranth where the dreamer remains. They are also not within the dream.
 * 01:10:08: ShawnCognitionCP: This leaves only the void as a place to go.
 * 01:10:21: Nekyn Alb: I think it's more likely that the new Dreamer just vanishes from the old Dream. Lorkhan wanted a world in which everyone achieves CHIM, and after that, Amaranth. Not just one dude
 * 01:10:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Perhaps they "wake up" into some reality that's worth fighting for and the kalpic cycles are essentially the dreamer waiting for someone to replace them to gain entry.
 * 01:10:50: Jr seriel: You mentioned before that the previous dreamers disappear . Do they cease to exist or do they go to the void ?
 * 01:10:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Going to the void is ceasing to exist.
 * 01:11:03: ShawnCognitionCP: The void is nothingness.
 * 01:11:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Nothing is in the void, the void is nothing.
 * 01:11:19: Jr seriel: The void is such an oxymoron
 * 01:11:19: ShawnCognitionCP: It's mirror is death.
 * 01:11:30: ShawnCognitionCP: "Void" is often used to refer to death.
 * 01:11:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Death is becoming nothing.
 * 01:11:52: Nekyn Alb: and Voidships go into Oblivion, not the Sithis-Void. Capital V(oid) is Sithis, lowercase v(oid) is Oblivion
 * 01:12:57: Jr seriel: I still don't really get this who dreamer thing but I am not going to make you reexplain it but thank you for the info
 * 01:13:32: Nekyn Alb: What is the part you don't understand?
 * 01:14:14: Jr seriel: Particularly what you said nekyn. What do you mean the dreamer isn't just comatose and the other dream is all around him
 * 01:14:42: Nekyn Alb: Okay, I'll give you my side of the theory
 * 01:14:53: Jr seriel: Shoot
 * 01:16:03: Nekyn Alb: Some dude achieves CHIM, maybe other Walking Ways as well. He then reaches the next level, he becomes Amaranth, the next Dream, and thereby vanishes from the Dream where he was born
 * 01:16:30: Nekyn Alb: then some other dude does it in his Dream and so on, a chain of Amaranths
 * 01:16:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Nekyn goes the route that becoming the Godhead makes you a Godhead of a separate, parallel kalpa. Your own dream while the last continues.
 * 01:17:26: ShawnCognitionCP: I go the route that only one exists at a time, one universe and one dreamer. That there's a reason to achieve it we're unaware of that requires the godhead waiting, unconsciously, to be replaced.
 * 01:17:48: Nekyn Alb: Kalpas aren't Amaranths in my theory as well
 * 01:18:39: Nekyn Alb: To end an Amaranth, every inhabitant needs to reach Amaranth for themself
 * 01:19:04: ShawnCognitionCP: If you canonize Yokuda faith, it disagrees
 * 01:19:16: ShawnCognitionCP: It's pretty stern on the idea that this dreamer's dream is the first with mortals at all.
 * 01:19:23: ShawnCognitionCP: IE Anu's dreams.
 * 01:19:32: Nekyn Alb: Which text?
 * 01:19:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Ripped from TESlore
 * 01:20:13: Nekyn Alb: I'm pretty sure I read that the Yokuda-mortals became Gods and walked between the stars to the next Kalpa
 * 01:20:28: ShawnCognitionCP: "Going by the Yokudan Monomyth, it would seem that (according to the Redguards) the current existence is special in that it is the first one with mortals. Judging by one of their other legends the Redguards believe that during the time of Yokuda, mortals and gods were on equal footing ("In far-off Yokuda, in times of yore, when all walked in step with the gods")."
 * 01:20:32: Nekyn Alb: evading Sep's eating of the world
 * 01:21:04: Nekyn Alb: The Monomyth
 * 01:21:18: Nekyn Alb: shoot, I always forget the searchbar
 * 01:21:21: ShawnCognitionCP: MK states, however, that each kalpa has one new thing.
 * 01:21:31: ShawnCognitionCP: This kalpa's being Talos, the actual god.
 * 01:22:10: Nekyn Alb: not just one, the old Kalpa was a flooded Nirn with Bal as the king of gods
 * 01:22:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Which is Lyg
 * 01:22:33: ShawnCognitionCP: The Druegh ruling the flood
 * 01:22:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Or at least a previous phase in Lyg's existence
 * 01:23:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes Dagon having been made from Mehrune the Razor and Dagon (TLDK) to cull Molag Bal's rule
 * 01:23:13: ShawnCognitionCP: And he succeeded, proving he's stronger than Molag Bal by far.
 * 01:23:13: Jr seriel: So in CODA who becomes the bed godhead?
 * 01:23:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Took out his entire global rule by himself.
 * 01:23:36: Jr seriel: New"
 * 01:23:39: Jr seriel: *
 * 01:23:56: Nekyn Alb: Jubal-lun-Sul and Vivec
 * 01:24:14: Nekyn Alb: "The hunger, though, refused to stop, even in death, and so the First Serpent shed its skin to begin anew. As the old world died, Satakal began, and when things realized this pattern so did they realize what their part in it was. They began to take names, like Ruptga or Tuwhacca, and they strode about looking for their kin. As Satakal ate itself over and over, the strongest spirits learned to bypass the cycle by moving at strange angles." Kalpas, doesn't look like Amaranths
 * 01:24:25: Nekyn Alb: (not done reading)
 * 01:24:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Amaranth isn't Kalpa
 * 01:24:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Amaranth is achieving Godhood, it's an act.
 * 01:24:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Not a thing.
 * 01:24:49: ShawnCognitionCP: If it's a thing, it's the state of being the godhood.
 * 01:25:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence "Achieving Amaranth" being the state of dreaming.
 * 01:25:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Amaranth is a concept, Kalpas are a thing.
 * 01:26:14: Nekyn Alb: You said when a Dream ends, the Kalpa turns
 * 01:26:34: ShawnCognitionCP: The dream is the kalpa.
 * 01:26:37: Nekyn Alb: Which basically makes them the same
 * 01:26:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Amaranth isn't the dream.
 * 01:26:41: ShawnCognitionCP: It's the state of dreaming.
 * 01:26:50: ShawnCognitionCP: The act, not the result.
 * 01:27:10: ShawnCognitionCP: I'll put it in really mundane real world terms
 * 01:27:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Imagine laying in your bed and falling asleep, the act of fading into sleep and being asleep.
 * 01:27:23: Nekyn Alb: ohhh, you use it very correct
 * 01:27:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Amaranth.
 * 01:27:30: ShawnCognitionCP: The dream itself, kalpa.
 * 01:27:37: Jr seriel: Where is anu while he is dreaming?
 * 01:27:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Everything.
 * 01:27:49: ShawnCognitionCP: He's essentially now a concept.
 * 01:27:54: Nekyn Alb: Yeah, most people just use Amaranth and Dream interchangebly
 * 01:28:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Not sentient, can't make choices, et cetera.
 * 01:28:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Just asleep.
 * 01:28:27: Nekyn Alb: Just put in Dream for when I wrote Amaranth
 * 01:28:41: Jr seriel: So when vivec reaches amaranth basically everything implodes and ceases to exist even vivec physically. Like the big bang
 * 01:28:49: Nekyn Alb: He's having a nightmare, more or less
 * 01:28:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Depends on if you agree with Nekyn or I.
 * 01:29:05: ShawnCognitionCP: And as far as 100% confirmed goes, it's a big shrug.
 * 01:29:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Purposefully left ambiguous.
 * 01:29:15: Nekyn Alb: the Big Bang created and didn't destroy afaik
 * 01:29:22: ShawnCognitionCP: MK's intent is that you'll decide for yourself.
 * 01:29:31: ShawnCognitionCP: There was nothing to destroy.
 * 01:29:39: Jr seriel: I destroyed singularity?
 * 01:29:42: Jr seriel: It*
 * 01:30:00: ShawnCognitionCP: No, it was a rapid expansion of a singularity that encompassed all matter.
 * 01:30:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Anything but destruction.
 * 01:30:58: Jr seriel: Yeah true. But it also didn't create then either
 * 01:31:08: ShawnCognitionCP: Funny thing about Mehrunes vs Molag is that it makes him a hero.
 * 01:31:17: ShawnCognitionCP: He fought the Druegh hoards and freed the world from them.
 * 01:31:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes is a lot more complex of a character than "I just like breaking things".
 * 01:31:47: ShawnCognitionCP: His character emphasizes that destruction is a form of creation.
 * 01:32:12: ShawnCognitionCP: And that destruction isn't inherently bad. Destroying a tyrannical grasp was pretty nice of a thing to do.
 * 01:32:21: Jr seriel: In my opinion destruction is just changing something's shape
 * 01:32:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: whether it's bad depends on what you're destroying
 * 01:32:48: Nekyn Alb: Wasn't Bal king of the dreugh? I remember something like that
 * 01:32:59: Nekyn Alb: or maybe Ruddy Man
 * 01:33:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Ruddy Man was another form of him
 * 01:33:12: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ruddy man is molag bal
 * 01:33:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec fought him
 * 01:33:16: Nekyn Alb: I know
 * 01:33:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Molag Bal genuinely controlled Lyg, hence Druegh controlling it.
 * 01:34:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Meridia used Merhunes the Razor to merge with Dagon (post-Alduin LDP, willingly, he volunteered) to stop that, because she hated Molag Bal, and I don't thing Mehrunes Dagon's intentions or motivation are revealed.
 * 01:34:27: ShawnCognitionCP: But, yes, Bal led the Dreugh.
 * 01:34:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes Dagon better be complex, seeing as he's technically the series' main villain.
 * 01:35:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Responsible for the events of most games.
 * 01:35:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: not responsible for morrowind or skyrim's events
 * 01:35:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Arena, Battlespire, Oblivion, and as a result of those three, feeding into the prophecy in Skyrim the most of any individual character.
 * 01:36:01: ShawnCognitionCP: He's not responsible for Daggerfall or Morrowind at all.
 * 01:36:11: Nekyn Alb: Were Arena and Oblivion part of the same plan?
 * 01:36:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Nor Skyrim directly, but he certainly paved the path for it to take place.
 * 01:36:15: ShawnCognitionCP: No.
 * 01:36:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Arena and Battlespire were.
 * 01:36:47: Nekyn Alb: what does the Staff of Chaos have to do with the Battlespire?
 * 01:36:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: arena involved kidnapping the emperor, in oblivion he was outright killed
 * 01:36:58: Nekyn Alb: I don't know much about Battlespire
 * 01:37:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes Dagon is the reason the archmage of Uriel betrayed him.
 * 01:37:10: ShawnCognitionCP: He convinecd him.
 * 01:37:17: ShawnCognitionCP: He was going to rule Tamriel using him as a puppet.
 * 01:37:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the emperor was held in mehrunes's plane
 * 01:37:27: Nekyn Alb: Jagar Tharn, yeah, the interregnum or something
 * 01:37:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Battlespire, he took a physical form and was going to do it anyways.
 * 01:37:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes.
 * 01:37:44: Nekyn Alb: And got his ass kicked
 * 01:37:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes.
 * 01:38:04: Nekyn Alb: and how are they connected?
 * 01:38:34: ShawnCognitionCP: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Battlespire
 * 01:39:08: ShawnCognitionCP: He killed the training Battlemages so they couldn't aid.
 * 01:39:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Also used the gate to assume a physical form.
 * 01:39:41: ShawnCognitionCP: On Tamriel.
 * 01:39:42: Nekyn Alb: ah
 * 01:39:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Which is the big thing you're trying to avoid in Oblivion.
 * 01:40:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Kill the mages, use their gate to cheat the amulet of kings and enter anyways.
 * 01:40:15: Nekyn Alb: Bal takes physical form all the time in Coldharbour
 * 01:40:28: ShawnCognitionCP: They can take a physical form in their own realm no issue, they all do.
 * 01:40:37: Jr seriel: I think he meant taking a aphyscial form on nirn
 * 01:40:42: ShawnCognitionCP: They can not enter in their true form on Nirn.
 * 01:40:50: ShawnCognitionCP: They can send avatars and speak through objects.
 * 01:40:52: Nekyn Alb: why do you say they are trying to avoid it in Oblivion then?
 * 01:41:13: ShawnCognitionCP: The whole point the amulet of kings breaking is a big deal is because now Mehrunes can enter Nirn in his true form.
 * 01:41:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Normally, he'd have to use an avatar.
 * 01:41:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Look like a mortal race, be as weak as one.
 * 01:41:30: ShawnCognitionCP: True form = true power.
 * 01:41:31: Nekyn Alb: I'm not asking that, lol
 * 01:41:50: ShawnCognitionCP: The dragonfires going out*
 * 01:41:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Not the amulet breaking.
 * 01:42:03: Nekyn Alb: I'm talking about princes taking physical form in Oblivion, because you said "Which is the big thing you're trying to avoid in Oblivion."
 * 01:42:10: ShawnCognitionCP: In the game Oblivion
 * 01:42:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Lol
 * 01:42:15: Nekyn Alb: Ohh
 * 01:42:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
 * 01:42:24: Jr seriel: Lol
 * 01:42:28: Nekyn Alb: Well, that's a confusing name
 * 01:44:14: Jr seriel: So one more clarification. Anu was an immortal farmer who achieved amaranth
 * 01:44:25: Jr seriel: Seems unlikely
 * 01:44:28: Nekyn Alb: Again regarding no mortals in previous kalpas, Shawn, from The Monomyth:
 * 01:44:30: Nekyn Alb: "Finally, tired of helping Tall Papa, Sep went and gathered the rest of the old skins and balled them up, tricking spirits to help him, promising them this was how you reached the new world, by making one out of the old. [...] Pretty soon the spirits on the skin-ball started to die, because they were very far from the real world of Satakal. [...] While the rest of the new world was allowed to strive back to godhood, Sep could only slink around in a dead skin, or swim about in the sky, a hungry void that jealously tried to eat the stars."
 * 01:44:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Mortal, Seriel
 * 01:44:43: ShawnCognitionCP: He started as nothing.
 * 01:44:47: Nekyn Alb: Nobody said farmer lmao
 * 01:45:14: Nekyn Alb: He was at least a warrior and mage
 * 01:45:38: ShawnCognitionCP: "From the Anuad we can presume that Anu was a man, common enough, who had a brother and a wife, his brother kills his wife out of jealously and Anu goes into a catatonic state out of his sorrow and starts hallucinating and ends up achieving Amaranth."
 * 01:45:47: ShawnCognitionCP: The origin
 * 01:46:10: Jr seriel: It seems the key to acheiving chim and amaranth is getting depressed
 * 01:46:19: ShawnCognitionCP: It's being selfish.
 * 01:46:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec and Tiber were both horribly selfish people, to an oppressive and evil degree.
 * 01:46:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Even the way to avoid zero-summing is selfish.
 * 01:46:57: Nekyn Alb: So far the only ones we know of who achieved Amaranth had traumatizing experiences. Except Jubal because I don't know much about him
 * 01:47:01: Jr seriel: Maybe their is some real life lessons in there. Be jealous and you become better than you were
 * 01:47:05: ShawnCognitionCP: "We're all the same, all tied together; *but I'm different, I'm me*"
 * 01:47:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Jubal had trauma.
 * 01:47:29: Nekyn Alb: Family dying?
 * 01:48:07: ShawnCognitionCP: He had the weight of all of existence thrown on him out of nowhere, told he was a nerevarine out of nowhere, couldn't save the races of Man and the High Elves from extinction, mutilated his hands, and was told he had to fight the single strongest entity in TES lore 1 on 1 so the rest even had a chance to live.
 * 01:48:14: Jr seriel: When I hear common man I just think of a farmer for some reason.
 * 01:48:31: Jr seriel: Like a peasant
 * 01:48:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Drawing a line between commoner and peasant.
 * 01:48:38: Nekyn Alb: He didn't seem to bothered by it. He got laid after all
 * 01:48:38: Jr seriel: Yes exactly
 * 01:49:03: Nekyn Alb: "common enough" can also mean that he just wasn't a god
 * 01:49:03: ShawnCognitionCP: He got laid by a guy that bit a piece of Molag Bal's cock off and murdered their kids with his penis
 * 01:49:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Not a trustworthy fiancee
 * 01:49:25: Jr seriel: Hey sounds like a fun night
 * 01:49:29: Nekyn Alb: Got Amaranth out of it
 * 01:49:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Doesn't matter got godhead
 * 01:49:50: Nekyn Alb: and he got to insult Talos
 * 01:49:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Cyrus is better
 * 01:50:02: Jr seriel: Wait when did Jubal get his hands cut off
 * 01:50:03: Nekyn Alb: yep
 * 01:50:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Throat-punched Talos on the moon
 * 01:50:16: ShawnCognitionCP: made vivec shit himself by showing him a rock and lying
 * 01:50:19: Nekyn Alb: In the battle with Numidium. Because Jubal is smarter than Vivec
 * 01:50:33: ShawnCognitionCP: He also killed the Numidium with "empty speech"
 * 01:50:34: Jr seriel: Throat punching talos messes your hands up?
 * 01:50:38: Nekyn Alb: A rock? He threatened Pankratosword, that scared him
 * 01:50:39: ShawnCognitionCP: No
 * 01:50:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Cyrus throat-punched Talos
 * 01:50:52: ShawnCognitionCP: And Cyrus would 100% fuck Talos up
 * 01:51:02: ShawnCognitionCP: He threatened him and showed him a rock
 * 01:51:06: Nekyn Alb: MK rated Talos above HoonDing
 * 01:51:10: ShawnCognitionCP: No
 * 01:51:24: ShawnCognitionCP: HoonDing is the single strongest entity until Numidium as per MK
 * 01:51:45: Nekyn Alb: Let's compare sources
 * 01:51:51: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/3k46aw/how_powerful_is_hoonding/
 * 01:51:55: ShawnCognitionCP: All responses on this
 * 01:51:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Including relays to MK himself
 * 01:52:05: ShawnCognitionCP: The HoonDing has no power except when there is no other way
 * 01:52:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Beating the hoonding gets you defeated
 * 01:52:22: ShawnCognitionCP: He will absolutely always find a way when the Redguards have none.
 * 01:52:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Numidium goes against this by aerosything the Redguards from existence with the rest of man.
 * 01:53:40: ShawnCognitionCP: He lists "Talos. The HoonDing. Trinimac. Vivec. Leki. Reman. Auri-El. Wulfharth. Morihaus. Pelinal.", but says it would be impossible to truly rank characters except by cool factor.
 * 01:53:49: Jr seriel: How do they breathe on the moons ?
 * 01:53:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence Vivec being lower than Talos even when Vivec is the one that "killed" Talos.
 * 01:54:14: ShawnCognitionCP: And Pelinal being lower than fucking Leki.
 * 01:54:26: Nekyn Alb: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride
 * 01:54:29: ShawnCognitionCP: And Morihaus, who Pelinal led, being beforehand.
 * 01:54:33: ShawnCognitionCP: I just posted why.
 * 01:55:23: Nekyn Alb: oh, you posted it
 * 01:55:32: ShawnCognitionCP: I love how MK confirms Vivec murdered Hjalti for misusing his gift.
 * 01:56:03: ShawnCognitionCP: And then there's also his use of "pretty much". My guess as to why he uses that is it depends on event.
 * 01:56:10: Nekyn Alb: Just don't fight HoonDing openly. Hard to kill a god tho
 * 01:56:28: ShawnCognitionCP: HoonDing is stated that he will always, regardless of chance, "find a way" when there exists none for the Redguards.
 * 01:56:41: ShawnCognitionCP: So, given the right situation, he'd be #1.
 * 01:56:48: Nekyn Alb: Sure
 * 01:57:06: Nekyn Alb: If the Redguards have to rely on him, but generally, there can be ways
 * 01:57:14: ShawnCognitionCP: I absolutely do not understand the mortal Morihaus even being on that list.
 * 01:57:21: ShawnCognitionCP: He's only "good" in mortal terms.
 * 01:57:30: Nekyn Alb: "God of make-way" is rather specific
 * 01:57:48: Nekyn Alb: Morihaus never really did anything
 * 01:57:55: Nekyn Alb: So we don't know
 * 01:58:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, Wulfharth is on there even though Zurin 1v1'd him and fucking blasted his ass to ash.
 * 01:58:24: Nekyn Alb: Surprise attack
 * 01:58:48: Jr seriel: He got the 6x multiplier for sneak attacking him
 * 01:58:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Triminac is on there but not the person that "killed" him.
 * 01:59:07: Nekyn Alb: The list is more on raw power and every mortal can be trapped. Pelinal was killed by Umaril and some dozen Ayleids
 * 01:59:08: ShawnCognitionCP: Kalpa-eating Alduin is objectively stronger than the entire list, though.
 * 01:59:17: ShawnCognitionCP: He has and will continue to kill every character on that list for eternity.
 * 01:59:32: Jr seriel: TLD banishes the thing
 * 01:59:39: ShawnCognitionCP: He doesn't, at all.
 * 01:59:43: ShawnCognitionCP: You killed an avatar of Alduin.
 * 01:59:50: ShawnCognitionCP: /avatar/
 * 02:00:02: Jr seriel: Yeah he will come back and another dragon born will do it again
 * 02:00:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Kalpa-eating Alduin is the all-encompassing void which ends each kalpa.
 * 02:00:11: Jr seriel: Possibility probably not
 * 02:00:13: Nekyn Alb: Kalpa-eating Alduin is more of a force of nature, akin to Sithis, so yeah
 * 02:00:17: ShawnCognitionCP: No, you can never beat kalpa-eating Alduin.
 * 02:00:22: Nekyn Alb: not a being
 * 02:00:23: ShawnCognitionCP: He literally isn't corporeal.
 * 02:00:27: Nekyn Alb: You can escape Alduin
 * 02:00:40: ShawnCognitionCP: He becomes the void and absorbs the entire universe into nothingness.
 * 02:00:55: Nekyn Alb: Not the whole, again
 * 02:00:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, such as the Leaper Demon King hiding Hist Trees from him.
 * 02:01:07: Nekyn Alb: Parts of Aetherius survive and some Ada
 * 02:01:20: Jr seriel: Wait what is ada again?
 * 02:01:24: Nekyn Alb: et'Ada
 * 02:01:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Et'Ada
 * 02:01:29: Jr seriel: Got it
 * 02:01:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Gods
 * 02:01:59: Jr seriel: So I must again what broke jubails hands. A rock?
 * 02:02:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Not broke.
 * 02:02:06: Jr seriel: Ask**
 * 02:02:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Cut off.
 * 02:02:08: Nekyn Alb: He did it himself
 * 02:02:14: ShawnCognitionCP: He cut off both of his hands.
 * 02:02:27: Jr seriel: Bummer. Why did he do that
 * 02:02:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Had something to do with how to beat the Numidium through empty speech.
 * 02:03:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4NUZJMCJ20
 * 02:03:46: KINMUNE: 1961 Dion-Runaround Sue
 * 02:04:29: Jr seriel: One more, how do dunmer and kjiight breathe on the moon when they go there
 * 02:05:52: ShawnCognitionCP: /magik
 * 02:06:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Colonies.
 * 02:06:05: ShawnCognitionCP: It's the fifth era.
 * 02:06:10: ShawnCognitionCP: There's spaceships and laser guns.
 * 02:06:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Asteroid mining is a thing shortly after.
 * 02:06:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence KINMUNE.
 * 02:06:45: ShawnCognitionCP: The fourth era is the end of fantasy TES.
 * 02:06:52: ShawnCognitionCP: 5th+ is Science Fantasy.
 * 02:06:58: ShawnCognitionCP: A merge of fantasy and science fiction.
 * 02:07:21: Nekyn Alb: "according to the codes of mephala, there is no difference between the theorist and the terrorist. even the most cherished desire disappears in their hands. this is why mephala has black hands. bring both of yours to every argument the one-handed king finds no remedy. when you approach god, however, cut both of them off. god has no need of theory and he is armored head to toe in terror."
 * 02:07:21: Jr seriel: Yeah I forgot that he talked about the sci fi part of it
 * 02:07:49: Nekyn Alb: interesting with sermon one "'For I have crushed a world with my left hand,' he will say, 'but in my right hand is how it could have won against me. Love is under my will only.'"
 * 02:08:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Morbid that approaching the Nimidium is considered the singular god.
 * 02:08:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Makes sense seeing as he could literally erase anything with a single attack.
 * 02:08:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Including any deity.
 * 02:08:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Kills every single Nord, Imperial, Breton, Reguard, and High Elf.
 * 02:09:17: Jr seriel: It upsets me that the Kjaiit survive the end of the world
 * 02:09:25: Nekyn Alb: khajiit masterrace
 * 02:09:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Races that aren't mentioned can be assumed to also survive, since it lists those that went extinct.
 * 02:10:03: ShawnCognitionCP: So all that live are Dunmer, Orcs, Wood Elves, and Argonians.
 * 02:10:07: Jr seriel: So the teasci and those gorilla guys
 * 02:10:11: ShawnCognitionCP: +Khajiit
 * 02:10:12: ShawnCognitionCP: No.
 * 02:10:13: Jr seriel: Sload
 * 02:10:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Only Tamrielic.
 * 02:10:21: ShawnCognitionCP: They survive via Dunmer spacecraft.
 * 02:10:49: ShawnCognitionCP: Best parts of C0DA
 * 02:10:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Chad as fuck roid-rage Molag Bal
 * 02:11:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Dagoth Ur being a main hero and becoming frightened by internet ads
 * 02:11:25: Jr seriel: I still don't get this Chad reference. Something about a meme?
 * 02:11:32: Nekyn Alb: Imga are tamrielic
 * 02:11:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Fuck the Imga
 * 02:11:46: ShawnCognitionCP: They probably died with the High Elves.
 * 02:11:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Seeing as Summerset gets romplestomped.
 * 02:11:53: Nekyn Alb: eyyy
 * 02:12:03: Nekyn Alb: Don't ya insult ma prophet Marukh
 * 02:12:19: Nekyn Alb: Aren't Imga native to Valenwood?
 * 02:12:58: ShawnCognitionCP: This is the 5th era
 * 02:13:06: Nekyn Alb: We also don't know if he destroyed Summerset at the same time, he ancestroscythed the Altmer
 * 02:13:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Their idolization of the High Elves likely drove them to the High Elf lands
 * 02:13:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Men were wiped from existence by the Altmer using unknown means (probably the Numidium or manipulating Memory).

The Altmer were ANCESTROSCYTHED by Numidium into nonexistence, but people can still remember them.

The Argonians survived in the form of lizards and the memories stored inside the Hist, who also survived.

The Khajiit survived, living in Lleswer on Masser.

The Dunmer survived by traveling and building underneath the surface of Masser.

The Echmer survived, and live on a space colony-esque space station orbiting Masser.

It's unknown if the Bosmer and the Orsimer survived, or anyone else for that matter.

Small groups have also survived (like the Mythic Dawn). 2. Erase Talos 3. Destroy the towers 4. Brass tower returns 10:12 ShawnCognitionCP This is the 5th era Lorkhan’s hole is no more. It’s healed. His heart is secure. All things are secure. PAGE 64 PIC 1: full page splash. the cosmic issue— the first of the nu-men, a baby made of flowers Me :I can't, there's a solid mass between us Thot: My parents aren't home Me: https://imgur.com/a/3TXYJ My bad, typo. not really haha
 * 02:14:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Talos ceases to exist long before this
 * 02:15:03: ShawnCognitionCP: So, count him among the dead
 * 02:15:09: ShawnCognitionCP: And remove the autistic mention of Echmer
 * 02:15:15: ShawnCognitionCP: They aren't even canon to MK.
 * 02:15:24: ShawnCognitionCP: +we know Men were Ancestrosythed
 * 02:15:29: Nekyn Alb: IceFireWarden's comment
 * 02:15:35: Nekyn Alb: Talos is in C0DA
 * 02:16:20: ShawnCognitionCP: The second step in Landfall is erasing Talos tho
 * 02:16:48: ShawnCognitionCP: 1. Thalmor empire
 * 02:17:09: Jr seriel: So then they live until the 9th era when vivec becomes godhead?
 * 02:17:25: Nekyn Alb: The first three parts are from the Thalmor plan, Talos appears two or more times in C0DA
 * 02:17:45: Nekyn Alb: Vivec achieves Amaranth in C0DA
 * 02:18:41: Jr seriel: I thought it says though that doesn't happen until the 9th
 * 02:18:48: Nekyn Alb: 5th Era btw Shawn, KINMUNE is from the Nth
 * 02:18:54: ShawnCognitionCP: I said 5th.
 * 02:19:14: ShawnCognitionCP:
 * 02:20:40: Nekyn Alb: Are you responding to me?
 * 02:20:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes
 * 02:21:14: Nekyn Alb: I meant that in regards to new Dream erasing the last one
 * 02:21:20: ShawnCognitionCP: You seem to have stated I said C0DA is in the 9th era.
 * 02:21:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, we still see Vivec among the waking at this wedding post-Amaranth
 * 02:21:48: Nekyn Alb: nah, didn't mean that. Sorry for the misunderstanding
 * 02:21:51: ShawnCognitionCP: He's missing a step.
 * 02:22:04: ShawnCognitionCP: He is enlightened before the events of C0DA.
 * 02:22:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence teaching Jubal.
 * 02:22:21: ShawnCognitionCP: He has yet to actually become a Godhead.
 * 02:22:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Then again, he's Vivec
 * 02:22:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Ignores all logic and consistency.
 * 02:22:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Just does what he wants, when he wants.
 * 02:23:28: Nekyn Alb: The kiss.
 * 02:24:09: Nekyn Alb: the last page is all about the flower baby and a strike-throughed repetition of Jubal's intro
 * 02:24:16: Nekyn Alb: https://www.c0da.es/t/c0da
 * 02:25:00: ShawnCognitionCP: The kiss was the last step to achieving Amaranth?
 * 02:25:08: Jr seriel: Love
 * 02:25:33: Nekyn Alb: The kiss typically completes a wedding
 * 02:25:49: ShawnCognitionCP: 3/4ths gay
 * 02:26:01: Nekyn Alb: might be nine more months until the baby is born (kappa)
 * 02:26:26: Nekyn Alb: "And it turns out, the High Alma’s daughter is Vivec. As a woman. The most beautiful woman you can draw." MK got such a boner for Vehk
 * 02:26:47: ShawnCognitionCP: He promised a graphic novel and what we got was two pages of Vivec porn.
 * 02:26:56: ShawnCognitionCP: He 100% has a boner for Vehk
 * 02:27:23: Nekyn Alb: so far we've seen BDSM outfits and nude female Vehk
 * 02:28:14: ShawnCognitionCP: It's been three years
 * 02:28:20: ShawnCognitionCP: And all we have is Vehk titty
 * 02:28:35: ShawnCognitionCP: And one drawing of Molag Bal Chad
 * 02:28:39: Nekyn Alb: Last valentine's day they published more art
 * 02:29:14: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.c0da.es/c0da/sketchbook
 * 02:29:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Third down
 * 02:29:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Is that fucking Vivec with a bubbler
 * 02:29:57: Nekyn Alb: skooma pipe
 * 02:30:24: Nekyn Alb: so yeah, after googling
 * 02:30:36: ShawnCognitionCP: https://aurbis.c0da.es/c0da/s/ln/tomorrowind4.jpg
 * 02:30:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Molag Bal's C0DA design is so fantastically over the top.
 * 02:31:03: ShawnCognitionCP: https://aurbis.c0da.es/c0da/s/mk/tomorrowind2.jpg
 * 02:31:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Dagoth Ur is cool tho
 * 02:31:18: Nekyn Alb: a true superhero
 * 02:31:57: Nekyn Alb: Shawn, do you know Kill Six Billion Demons?
 * 02:32:49: ShawnCognitionCP: No.
 * 02:33:26: Nekyn Alb: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/kill-six-billion-demons-chapter-1/ it's a webcomic (there's also a print version of the first part) that is strongly influenced by MK's influences and himself
 * 02:34:01: Nekyn Alb: Like C0DA in actual comic form
 * 02:34:24: Nekyn Alb: Hello
 * 02:35:19: Nekyn Alb: It also sometimes has little myths inbetween, just text
 * 02:39:25: Kora Stormblade: o.
 * 02:39:31: Nekyn Alb: \o
 * 02:39:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Hello.
 * 02:39:53: RenzXVI: What? When did these things exist? https://i.imgur.com/2HAJFRG.png
 * 02:40:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Always.
 * 02:40:24: ShawnCognitionCP: I recall those when I was a child.
 * 02:40:27: Nekyn Alb: Probably doesn't work
 * 02:40:45: RenzXVI: I never saw them before now. XD
 * 02:40:59: Kora Stormblade: whaatt
 * 02:41:03: Kora Stormblade: same renz xd
 * 02:41:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Renz, ever listened to Grunt?
 * 02:41:27: RenzXVI: no
 * 02:41:32: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWIQPkQpmlg
 * 02:41:34: KINMUNE: Grunt - Chocolate Rosebud
 * 02:44:57: RenzXVI: The intro made me think it was cybergrind.
 * 02:45:31: ShawnCognitionCP: That was my initial thought as well.
 * 02:45:41: Nekyn Alb: Going now, goodnight or whatever you have o/
 * 02:46:08: RenzXVI: A floating pickle in the sky.
 * 02:55:27: Jr seriel: Till next time nekyn
 * 03:00:03: Alexei Smirnov: I got a question
 * 03:00:06: Jr seriel: Shoot
 * 03:00:26: Jr seriel: I probably don't have the answer btw
 * 03:00:52: Alexei Smirnov: Back in the old days of nomloaf or here did Hades ever get you to join a discord? If so what was his number or user name.
 * 03:01:26: Jr seriel: RenzXVI ShawnCognitionCP
 * 03:01:59: ShawnCognitionCP: I'll ask him if he wants me to give you it.
 * 03:02:04: ShawnCognitionCP: I won't unless he says yes.
 * 03:02:16: Alexei Smirnov: Good
 * 03:02:27: Alexei Smirnov: That will do good capitalist Comrade.
 * 03:02:50: Jr seriel: Are you trying to join his Discord server?
 * 03:03:33: ShawnCognitionCP: PMed you it.
 * 03:03:58: Jr seriel: Thank you
 * 03:07:27: Jr seriel: Just curious, besides here did hades's discord server. What other known communities for teslore are there? Also discounting; bethesda forums, uesp discord, and /r/teslore
 * 03:07:47: ShawnCognitionCP: We have our own Discord.
 * 03:07:58: ShawnCognitionCP: That is where I know Hades is and asked him, not his own.
 * 03:08:11: ShawnCognitionCP: https://discord.gg/YFrQCh
 * 03:08:59: Jr seriel: Who uses this Discord? Is it just current and previous members of the wikia
 * 03:10:52: ShawnCognitionCP: + a bunch of random TES fans from all over the internet that just found it on Discord lists
 * 03:13:44: Jr seriel: I see thank you for the invite
 * 03:14:43: Jr seriel: So you like nicola tesla?
 * 03:21:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Personal idol.
 * 03:22:38: Jr seriel: Very cool! Are you an engineer?
 * 03:22:58: ShawnCognitionCP: I graduated highschool this year.
 * 03:23:11: ShawnCognitionCP: I've yet to go to college, let alone get a degree.
 * 03:23:20: Jr seriel: Ahh, do you plan to?
 * 03:23:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Absolutely.
 * 03:23:34: ShawnCognitionCP: I have backup plans upon backup plans.
 * 03:23:35: Jr seriel: Gonna go to UPitt?
 * 03:23:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Depends which route I go.
 * 03:24:04: Jr seriel: Well what are you thinking about?
 * 03:24:39: ShawnCognitionCP: I'll either be going for a degree in anatomy, physics, mortuary science, forensic pathology, or I'll take the easiest path with the highest positive job growth for the next fifteen years and go engineering.
 * 03:25:11: Jr seriel: What kind of engineering?
 * 03:25:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Mechanical Engineering.
 * 03:25:55: RenzXVI: I knew he was a robot.
 * 03:26:09: RenzXVI: Then he can build himself a family.
 * 03:27:06: Jr seriel: Meh why do you think mechanical engineering is the easy path?
 * 03:28:18: Jr seriel: Also if it is true you would be the first high schooler that I have ever met to have read the Qu'Ran
 * 03:28:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Compared to a Ph.D in anatomy, theoretical physics, mortuary science as a step to becoming a county coroner, or forensic pathology for twelve years total?
 * 03:29:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Worst case scenario I'll major in biology, environmental science, or mechanical engineering.
 * 03:30:10: Jr seriel: Do you think that tesla caused the explosion of tungstkan
 * 03:30:15: Jr seriel: or whatever it is spelled
 * 03:30:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Tunguska?
 * 03:30:45: Jr seriel: Yes
 * 03:30:46: ShawnCognitionCP: It's 100% proven a meteor explosion.
 * 03:30:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Tesla's last years, he was fucking insane.
 * 03:31:04: Jr seriel: emmaciated
 * 03:31:36: ShawnCognitionCP: The entire death ray concept was completely blown out of proportion and/or a lie.
 * 03:31:52: RenzXVI: It's true in star wars.
 * 03:31:56: Jr seriel: ^
 * 03:32:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Star Wars is as scientific as the fucking Bible.
 * 03:32:35: RenzXVI: I was just kidding. :p
 * 03:32:43: Jr seriel: What do you want to specialize in theoretical physics
 * 03:32:50: Jr seriel: if you went that route?
 * 03:33:00: RenzXVI: But there have been a lot of scifi inventions in the distant past that exist now.
 * 03:33:10: Jr seriel: Yeah the microwave gun thing
 * 03:33:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Quantum mechanics.
 * 03:33:59: Jr seriel: ooo that is fun
 * 03:34:10: Jr seriel: Get your entanglement on!
 * 03:34:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Drink until you're seeing quantum cheshire cat duplicates
 * 03:34:59: ShawnCognitionCP: And then quantum tunnel through the door when it goes south
 * 03:35:06: Jr seriel: to space!
 * 03:35:24: Jr seriel: or just low earth orbit...
 * 03:35:58: Jr seriel: Have you looked at programs yet?
 * 03:36:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Thot: Come over
 * 03:37:04: Jr seriel: clever!
 * 03:37:36: Jr seriel: Did you come up with that or is that from somehwere?
 * 03:37:41: ShawnCognitionCP: I have not. I will be waiting until next summer at least. I will be taking a phlebotomy course and working in bloodwork until then, and take time to build up some further plans and connections.
 * 03:37:57: ShawnCognitionCP: I came up with it, but I've repeated it quite a bit on Discords.
 * 03:38:40: ShawnCognitionCP: So, I didn't just now come up with it.
 * 03:39:49: Jr seriel: Fair enough, I know UPitt has got some good anatomy and engineering. Although Penn state's got better engineering. If you wanna spend some money. Upenn is better. But futher away from you. Don't know if you intend to stay in state or not. I honestly do not know who has good physics programs. But for forensic science, take a trip north to Erie, I heard Mercyhurst has a good one
 * 03:41:31: ShawnCognitionCP: I am back.
 * 03:42:15: ShawnCognitionCP: University of Pennsylvania has the distinction of being an Ivy League School.
 * 03:42:31: Jr seriel: Hence, the money you will most likely be spending
 * 03:43:05: ShawnCognitionCP: I'll live.
 * 03:44:03: Jr seriel: Wharton school of finance was always really cool to me. Plus alot of my idols came out of there, excluding Trump
 * 03:44:22: Jr seriel: *President Trump
 * 03:44:30: Jr seriel: sorry
 * 03:44:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Trump should definitely be an idol when it comes to business and finance.
 * 03:44:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Politics, debatable between individuals
 * 03:45:02: Jr seriel: I like greg lippmann a lot
 * 03:45:57: Jr seriel: Why would Trump be an idol for financiers. He wasn't a famous stock trader.
 * 03:46:05: Jr seriel: *President Trump
 * 03:46:06: Jr seriel: sorry again
 * 03:46:32: Jr seriel: I know that finance is more than trading. I am just being difficult, no seriousness
 * 03:47:07: ShawnCognitionCP: I was just about to point out turning ~1million into ~3.6billion.
 * 03:47:37: Jr seriel: Sure but that is more a business affinity than stock trading
 * 03:48:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Which, as you just pointed out, finance is far more than.
 * 03:48:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Then again, you have the modern Messiah Elon Musk.
 * 03:48:20: Jr seriel: Most people wouldn't consider Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos as great financial figures but as business figures at the least
 * 03:48:33: Jr seriel: Elon Musk. Oh man don't get me started
 * 03:48:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Turning ~? (unmentionable) into ~20.3Billion
 * 03:48:48: Jr seriel: I am not gonna get my 3 now until 1Q 2019
 * 03:48:52: Jr seriel: And I am pissed
 * 03:49:21: ShawnCognitionCP: What'd you put stock in?
 * 03:49:47: Jr seriel: Are you asking what my stocks are in my portfolio?
 * 03:51:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Walmart employees are sitting on a minor mine. Buying stock in Walmart while being an employee has a rather good payoff with minor timing. Constantly rises and falls on a schedule.
 * 03:51:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Bitcoin too, if you're not retarded and wait.
 * 03:52:09: Jr seriel: Depends on what kind of trading you are planning on doing
 * 03:52:16: ShawnCognitionCP: People buy Bitcoin when it's ~6k and get angry when it drops to ~100 USD.
 * 03:52:42: ShawnCognitionCP: As opposed to waiting until it's 1-3 hundred USD and waiting for that assured climb to 4-5K current minimum per Bitcoin.
 * 03:52:46: Jr seriel: I don't trust cryptocurrencies as a market as they are hilariously volatile
 * 03:53:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Bitcoin is such a threat to governmental currency and is gaining so much speed China made it illegal.
 * 03:53:10: ShawnCognitionCP: I agree with you, though.
 * 03:53:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Bitcoin is the one exception, and only if you have good timing and patience for a good payoff.
 * 03:53:27: Jr seriel: I wouldn't be surprised if every other nation bans it too
 * 03:53:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Tax-free currency that's becoming accepted by mainstream markets.
 * 03:53:50: ShawnCognitionCP: That's governmental-collapse worthy.
 * 03:53:55: Jr seriel: Hence
 * 03:54:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, exactly.
 * 03:54:31: Jr seriel: The other issue with Bitcoin, is that there is really no good way to monitor the true value of the currency
 * 03:54:34: ShawnCognitionCP: I wouldn't be surprised if we saw economically authoritarian moves in the future by world powers.
 * 03:54:42: Jr seriel: Perhaps
 * 03:54:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Making it illegal to use any currency except that nation's own within its borders.
 * 03:55:04: Jr seriel: There still has to be a global currency though
 * 03:55:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Moreso there needs to be a global conversion.
 * 03:55:35: Jr seriel: If France wants to buy a bunch of joint lighting II's from use I want them doing with USD
 * 03:55:40: Jr seriel: *us
 * 03:56:04: Jr seriel: What do you mean by a global conversion for a global currency?
 * 03:56:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Which they do, by converting their currency to ours by subtracting it from their reserves and the value it was once backed by gold by being then put into our reserves via our currency.
 * 03:56:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Remember, all currency is just representative of the gold backing it.
 * 03:57:04: ShawnCognitionCP: International deals between currencies are rather easy.
 * 03:57:06: Jr seriel: They have already proven that it isn't anymore
 * 03:57:12: ShawnCognitionCP: They can also be done by national investments.
 * 03:57:53: ShawnCognitionCP: That depends on currency.
 * 03:57:56: ShawnCognitionCP: We use fiat money.
 * 03:58:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Pretty much a voucher of debt.
 * 03:58:09: Jr seriel: Yes which is not backed up by gold
 * 03:58:19: Jr seriel: The USD that is
 * 03:58:22: ShawnCognitionCP: The Australian dollar and Euro are gold-backed.
 * 03:58:26: ShawnCognitionCP: You brought up France.
 * 03:58:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Euro.
 * 03:58:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence the gold value of their reserves being moves to ours, as I said
 * 03:59:01: ShawnCognitionCP: It's a voucher of the backing gold.
 * 03:59:09: ShawnCognitionCP: moved*
 * 03:59:22: Jr seriel: Money itself is a voucher of the backing
 * 03:59:26: Jr seriel: it is a representation of value
 * 03:59:41: Jr seriel: I see where you are going though
 * 03:59:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, and the "commodity" it is dependent on depends on the exact currency.
 * 04:00:13: ShawnCognitionCP: USD is a voucher of debt, Euro of a voucher representative of the backing gold.
 * 04:00:31: Jr seriel: Yes it does. So do you mean that they would do some kind of conversion on the backing of the currency
 * 04:00:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Fiat money vs backed commodity-based money.
 * 04:00:38: Jr seriel: More of a low-level exchange
 * 04:00:47: Jr seriel: yes
 * 04:01:07: ShawnCognitionCP: That the gold-based backing their voucher stands for would counter the debt ours is based on.
 * 04:01:07: Jr seriel: Rather than with the global currency itself
 * 04:01:22: Jr seriel: Yeah I suppose it would work
 * 04:02:03: Jr seriel: At the moment since, all the value of each currency is relatively stagnant there is no reason why any nation would push for this though
 * 04:02:18: ShawnCognitionCP: If they have $50k (impossibly low amount, just an example), and we have €100k, the calculated difference after value conversion is the amount of their gold we have claim on.
 * 04:02:31: Jr seriel: Yes I understand what you are saying
 * 04:02:41: ShawnCognitionCP: If they have $100k and we have €50k, the calculated amount is how much we are in debt.
 * 04:03:50: Jr seriel: My point though, that would really only help, if one of the currencies value was disputed
 * 04:04:10: Jr seriel: *highly disputed
 * 04:04:24: ShawnCognitionCP: We're definitely on board for several minor economic collapses in the next 30 years.
 * 04:04:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Globally.
 * 04:04:50: Jr seriel: well yeah, there is a nice little stock bubble right now which to me is insanely obvious
 * 04:05:48: Jr seriel: Also that prediction is well trod and statistically in your benefit also
 * 04:06:10: Jr seriel: That is like saying. It will probably rain somewhere in the next 30 years
 * 04:06:16: Jr seriel: haha
 * 04:07:19: ShawnCognitionCP: I'm speaking of easily predictable specific collapses.
 * 04:07:47: Jr seriel: Sure
 * 04:07:54: ShawnCognitionCP: It takes one look at resource reserves and political relations to see several.
 * 04:08:12: Jr seriel: Yes. I agree completely
 * 04:08:28: Jr seriel: It is not just the US though
 * 04:08:35: Jr seriel: not that you said it was
 * 04:10:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Oh, absolutely. The growing pains with North Korea will eventually backfire on Seoul and we will absolutely not be able to stop that.
 * 04:10:35: ShawnCognitionCP: South Korea being a major eastern economic power.
 * 04:10:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Just to name one.
 * 04:14:36: Jr seriel: Sure
 * 04:15:46: Jr seriel: Well Goodbye!
 * 04:35:03: Jr seriel: AWOL
 * 04:35:09: Jr seriel: i am off for a little too
 * 04:35:15: Jr seriel: Au Revoir!
 * 04:49:01: Jr seriel: Someone should make a CODA movie. I would watch it
 * 04:49:18: Jr seriel: Since I would say it is likely Bethesda probably will not make a game of this
 * 05:00:08: KINMUNE: Hello there, SheograthCH33SE!
 * 05:00:13: Jr seriel: Hello
 * 05:00:16: SheograthCH33SE: Hello
 * 05:00:23: Jr seriel: How are you?
 * 05:00:37: SheograthCH33SE: Oh I'm fine, just uh trying to solve an editing issue
 * 05:00:55: SheograthCH33SE: How about you?
 * 05:01:33: Jr seriel: I am just doing just fine, thank you for asking. Working on some modding projects
 * 05:01:54: RenzXVI: Hi
 * 05:02:03: SheograthCH33SE: Hey modding is always fun. Except for when you have frustrating errors.
 * 05:02:05: RenzXVI: For a second, I thought you were the female Sheogorath cheese/
 * 05:02:10: SheograthCH33SE: Ahah nein.
 * 05:03:16: Jr seriel: Is your cheese reference a reference to the oblvion sheogorath quest
 * 05:04:09: SheograthCH33SE: It's really just a reference to Sheogorath and his fondness of cheese in general. Changed my name like back in June of 2016 so I really didn't think to make it serious.
 * 05:04:41: SheograthCH33SE: Uh, also, I came on here to ask about editing real quick because something isn't working right.
 * 05:04:48: Jr seriel: Ahhh. I am trying to wrap up some thor related mods before Ragnarok releases in the states
 * 05:05:19: RenzXVI: What about editing?
 * 05:06:18: SheograthCH33SE: I'm using double brackets to add a category and a file to my profile, but it just shows up as text and nothing special. I don't think that's how it should work.
 * 05:07:18: Jr seriel: Is the file uploaded?
 * 05:07:21: RenzXVI: Both category and file?
 * 05:07:41: RenzXVI: I dunno if that can be done.
 * 05:08:23: Jr seriel: Mod testing time
 * 05:08:24: SheograthCH33SE: Uhh....oh. It's for http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Woodcutter's_Axe_Worshippers
 * 05:08:27: RenzXVI: But it's [[File: [[]]]] and ]]
 * 05:09:51: SheograthCH33SE: Then the problem is just linking the category
 * 05:09:52: RenzXVI: [[Category:Woodcutter's_Axe_Worshippers]] and [[File:Poachers_axe.png]]
 * 05:11:15: SheograthCH33SE: It's not working for some reason
 * 05:12:49: Jr seriel: Yeah and my mod isn't working either ughhhh
 * 05:13:03: RenzXVI: Weird
 * 05:14:16: RenzXVI: Do you really want it that big?
 * 05:14:18: SheograthCH33SE: In the source editor it says " around the category text
 * 05:14:20: RenzXVI: The picture
 * 05:14:27: SheograthCH33SE: and uh
 * 05:15:00: RenzXVI: Like how big?
 * 05:15:36: SheograthCH33SE: Oh I found the right size, 200x300 i think
 * 05:15:40: SheograthCH33SE: Is there a way to center it
 * 05:16:10: RenzXVI: Just put |center after the size.
 * 05:17:04: SheograthCH33SE: Ah, got it
 * 05:17:14: RenzXVI: Btw
 * 05:17:17: SheograthCH33SE: but yeah the category isn't working for some reason.
 * 05:17:21: RenzXVI: Do this for the link
 * 05:17:30: RenzXVI: Category:Woodcutte[[r's_Axe_Worshippers|Woodcutter's Axe Worshippers]]
 * 05:17:37: RenzXVI: Remove the nowiki thing.
 * 05:18:04: SheograthCH33SE: There it goes
 * 05:18:06: SheograthCH33SE: Thank you
 * 05:25:59: Jr seriel: I wonder, who started the first kalpa?
 * 07:40:15: Jr seriel: Where is ashley, she usually on at this time?
 * 07:40:59: RenzXVI: Yeah, but she's an exchange student in Japan, who knows what she could be doing. I actually encourage her to go out more while she's there.
 * 07:46:03: Jr seriel: Do folks usually go out on a wednesday evening in Japan?
 * 07:46:56: RenzXVI: It's just almost 5pm there and it's thursday. But who knows, she could be studying or roaming around.
 * 07:47:18: RenzXVI: I keep recommending her stuff to try. XD and food to try.
 * 07:47:53: Jr seriel: ahh never been
 * 07:48:10: Jr seriel: Sorry, I lose track of the days too
 * 07:48:30: RenzXVI: I just thought the timezone is just confusing.
 * 07:49:34: Jr seriel: I think it thursday everywhere at this point besides alaska and hawaii
 * 07:52:34: Jr seriel: She's english right?
 * 07:52:40: RenzXVI: Dutch
 * 07:52:43: Jr seriel: ahh
 * 07:52:51: RenzXVI: The Ugly Dutchling. XD
 * 07:52:58: Jr seriel: So sad
 * 08:39:20: KINMUNE: Hello there, Sakaratte!
 * 08:39:40: Sakaratte: Hey KINMUNE, is Renz free?
 * 08:41:55: RenzXVI: hi
 * 08:41:56: RenzXVI: What?
 * 08:42:37: Sakaratte: Is there any /d mods around at the moment?
 * 08:43:26: RenzXVI: Online? I think so, why? You need them?
 * 08:43:53: Sakaratte: Yeah, had a bit of cross wiki drama I want to check out.
 * 08:44:03: RenzXVI: Ok.
 * 08:45:00: RenzXVI: I tried calling them, maybe someone will appear.
 * 08:46:38: Sakaratte: Thanks for that. It's all been kicking off over our end yesterday/today.
 * 08:46:38: Jr seriel: Oh o uesp doing some malarchy
 * 08:53:31: KINMUNE: Hello there, Aramithius!
 * 08:53:36: RenzXVI: Hey Sakaratte
 * 08:53:55: Aramithius: Morning all
 * 08:54:44: Aramithius: You called, Sakaratte? I can chat for a while.
 * 08:55:43: Sakaratte: Hey
 * 08:56:06: Sakaratte: Does a user called Mister Min-Maxer ring a bell to you at all?
 * 08:57:05: Aramithius: Yes. I seem to remember hearing he was terrible on FO wiki, but has been ok with us, so far as I can remember.
 * 08:57:37: Sakaratte: I think the fact you guys has stricter guidelines works better with him.
 * 08:58:17: RenzXVI: He's kind of a nuisance on chat, but not too much.
 * 08:58:21: RenzXVI: He's rarely here.
 * 08:58:28: Sakaratte: Well he came back over last night and started kicking up a stink about things from a month ago between him and one of our moderators from a month back (happened on here btw)
 * 08:58:59: Aramithius: Pretty much all he tends to post are builds and fanfic, that I can remember.
 * 08:59:15: Sakaratte: That sounds like min.
 * 08:59:29: Sakaratte: The only major issue we had with him was mini-modding.
 * 09:00:29: Aramithius: Ah. We had our own min-modding rants from a user a few hours ago, but he wasn't really involved.
 * 09:00:56: RenzXVI: He does that on chat.
 * 09:02:27: Sakaratte: Sounds about right. Biggest concern I had with him was that he might have been an old problem user. The possible name I had was rpeh
 * 09:03:25: Aramithius: Not a name I know. Last night's issues were with Bropotato
 * 09:03:49: Sakaratte: Rpeh was back from before sajuuk
 * 09:04:03: Sakaratte: And why does bropotato ring a bell?
 * 09:04:36: Aramithius: He may have been on FO before TES, I think that's come up before.
 * 09:05:22: Sakaratte: Possibly. I don't think I've met him before in tes chat
 * 09:07:16: Aramithius: He was just composing because he didn't like that we disallowed the use of fictional titles on the wiki. Min-Maxer wasn't involved, I didn't bbc think, but it may have kicked up some old memories or something.
 * 09:07:45: Sakaratte: So he didn't like it wasn't a fan fiction?
 * 09:08:33: Aramithius: It was just a user complaining we were too strict, which may have set him off.
 * 09:09:11: Aramithius: Also, I've now arrived at work. Going to have to duck out. Sorry I couldn't be of much help.
 * 09:09:49: RenzXVI: Quite a lot complain about the "Strictness".
 * 09:09:52: Sakaratte: I thought too strict was our job now a days.
 * 09:10:18: RenzXVI: They probably have just been listening to too much Down with the Strictness. XD
 * 09:10:27: RenzXVI: lame joke is lame.
 * 09:10:59: Sakaratte: Lame isn't always bad
 * 09:11:49: Sakaratte: Anyway, I have to dash.
 * 09:12:30: Sakaratte: Work calls
 * 09:19:05: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Rim of the Sky!
 * 09:22:08: RenzXVI: hi
 * 09:22:19: RenzXVI: Oh, they left.
 * 09:40:57: Jr seriel: Two questions
 * 09:41:01: Jr seriel: What is min modding
 * 09:41:38: Jr seriel: and that conversation makes me nervous about FO, i thought that this chat is too lenniant
 * 09:42:35: RenzXVI: Mini-modding is when someone acts like a moderator, it's bad especially if it's done at inappropriate times.
 * 09:42:55: RenzXVI: Why are you nervous with FO?
 * 09:43:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: FO?
 * 09:44:00: Jr seriel: I don't even know what FO is but, it would be surprising and probably jarring to see just how open-spoken it is
 * 09:46:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what's FO?
 * 09:47:11: RenzXVI: Fallout wiki.
 * 09:48:15: Jr seriel: What is Fallout?
 * 09:48:43: RenzXVI: Another Bethesda game.
 * 09:48:50: Jr seriel: ohh
 * 09:48:53: RenzXVI: Kind of like a Steampunk counterpart of TES.
 * 09:49:07: Jr seriel: So like post 5th era TES
 * 09:50:28: Jr seriel: I am kidding btw I know what Fallout is lol
 * 09:50:30: RenzXVI: Nah, it's not really related.
 * 09:50:38: RenzXVI: lol
 * 09:51:22: Jr seriel: Anyway I am off for the evening. Good day to you lads
 * 09:51:33: Jr seriel: and ladies!
 * 09:55:10: RenzXVI: I am editing the most confusing article in my life and there's tons of mistakes on this very long article.
 * 10:12:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ooh
 * 10:13:16: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: it's not FO, Fallout is one word
 * 10:14:13: RenzXVI: I know that and I often point that out.
 * 10:14:23: RenzXVI: But it doesn't stop people from calling it FO.
 * 10:14:46: KINMUNE: Hello there, Flightmare!
 * 10:14:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: fucking cancer people
 * 10:15:01: Flightmare: Thanks
 * 10:15:05: Flightmare: good day yourself
 * 10:15:10: RenzXVI: hi
 * 10:15:11: RenzXVI: lol
 * 10:15:23: RenzXVI: Finelia, that's not how you greet Flightmare.
 * 10:16:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Fallout doesn't need to be abbreviated in the first place, it's pretty short
 * 10:16:15: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol ello Flight o/ :3
 * 10:16:21: Flightmare: hi
 * 10:17:29: RenzXVI: Yeah, but people are weird.
 * 10:17:41: RenzXVI: Damn this article. It get's harder by the second.
 * 10:58:21: RenzXVI: I am now done with my most tedious edit ever http://stephenking.wikia.com/wiki/It_(creature)?diff=42151&oldid=42148
 * 11:03:10: RenzXVI: Aside from the creature being named It, their links are also red. It was insanely hard for me to see in the preview if what I was linking was correct.
 * 12:43:58: KINMUNE: Hello there, K2000killer!
 * 12:44:13: K2000killer: hey all
 * 12:46:56: RenzXVI: hi
 * 12:47:22: K2000killer: u ok
 * 12:47:55: K2000killer: I'm trying to get the do not delete box's
 * 12:48:33: RenzXVI: Youtube has some good videos for those.
 * 12:48:51: RenzXVI: But they could still be tricky to get.
 * 12:49:17: RenzXVI: I hope you had a lot of saves before you started that.
 * 12:49:30: K2000killer: I cant get the one in riften but I can buy one from arcadia in whiterun
 * 12:49:32: RenzXVI: You could end up trapped in a wall or something. XD
 * 12:51:03: K2000killer: the do not delete locations lie
 * 12:51:12: K2000killer: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Do_Not_Delete
 * 12:53:32: RenzXVI: They are probably just hard to find.
 * 12:54:12: K2000killer: it says Sold by Arcadia and underneath Arcadia's Cauldron
 * 12:54:38: RenzXVI: Are you playing the remastered version?
 * 12:55:40: K2000killer: no but I'm getting legendary for Christmas from my sister
 * 12:56:02: RenzXVI: Cool.
 * 12:57:11: K2000killer: its not supposed to be a pun but I killed an Elder Dragon after 12hrs
 * 12:57:34: RenzXVI: I think that's possible.
 * 12:58:04: K2000killer: but I'm only lvl 34
 * 12:58:58: RenzXVI: That's actually high enough for that.
 * 12:59:15: K2000killer: I should never have unlocked ice form
 * 12:59:31: RenzXVI: Some people finish the game by the time they reach level 30.
 * 13:01:01: K2000killer: I have been playing gta v for 2 years now and still haven't completed it
 * 13:01:16: K2000killer: and I'm level 809
 * 13:01:42: RenzXVI: There's a lot to do there.
 * 13:02:37: K2000killer: this is going to be fun
 * 13:16:17: K2000killer: I'm going to find the elder scroll as I already know its location as I loaded wrong game save
 * 13:36:20: KINMUNE: Hello there, Gbrid!
 * 13:36:49: K2000killer: hello Gbrid
 * 13:36:54: Gbrid: hey
 * 13:37:07: Gbrid: whats up
 * 13:37:29: K2000killer: bout to kill a dragon then head to labrythian
 * 13:37:43: Gbrid: lucky im stuck at school
 * 13:37:52: RenzXVI: hi
 * 13:37:55: Gbrid: hey what lvl are you?
 * 13:38:03: Gbrid: and hi renz
 * 13:38:04: K2000killer: 34 and a bit
 * 13:38:25: RenzXVI: I am watching the 2017 remake of It (horror film)
 * 13:38:33: Gbrid: nice, what race?
 * 13:38:44: Gbrid: and thats pretty cool renz
 * 13:38:52: K2000killer: khajit
 * 13:39:19: Gbrid: so you going for a stealth build?
 * 13:39:26: K2000killer: yh
 * 13:39:51: Gbrid: nice i did an assassin archer build with a redguard
 * 13:40:11: Gbrid: it doubles a light armor one handed warrior
 * 13:40:55: K2000killer: gunna go grab the elder scroll
 * 13:41:08: K2000killer: as already know it location
 * 13:41:14: RenzXVI: When I first played SKyrim, I had no idea about builds. I chose Khajiit and wasn't using stealth. Then when I got good bows, I became a stealth archer.
 * 13:41:19: Gbrid: i hate the fact that they weigh so much
 * 13:41:21: RenzXVI: A mage stealth archer.
 * 13:41:36: Gbrid: i have all three and theyre like 20 pounds each
 * 13:42:00: Gbrid: thats a pretty unique build renz
 * 13:42:09: RenzXVI: I like ranged.
 * 13:42:13: K2000killer: u have all 3 elder scrolls as in the game
 * 13:42:29: RenzXVI: I kill things with a bow as soon as I see them then hit them with magic if they come closer.
 * 13:42:51: Gbrid: like in skyrim i have three elder scrolls, not like i have three elder scrolls games
 * 13:43:21: Gbrid: i just use a daedric bow then switch to merhunes dagger
 * 13:43:42: K2000killer: I'm using ebony war hammer and sword
 * 13:44:21: RenzXVI: Don't ever use Mehrune's Dagger on The Ebony Warrior if you face him.
 * 13:44:28: Gbrid: nice, what armor killer
 * 13:44:37: Gbrid: why renz?
 * 13:44:53: RenzXVI: He reflects that dagger's spell.
 * 13:45:12: K2000killer: ebony chest boots and gaunlets and krosis
 * 13:46:06: Gbrid: nice, i either use nightingale armor or glass depending on if im going stealthy or as a warrior
 * 13:46:25: K2000killer: a khajit follower took mine
 * 13:46:35: Gbrid: my second account is a full heavy warrior with full daedric, im proud of that one
 * 13:46:46: Gbrid: took your what?
 * 13:47:01: K2000killer: fuck went the wrong way I died to an elder dragon nocking me off a cliff
 * 13:47:23: Gbrid: hey renz
 * 13:47:26: RenzXVI: I looted heavy armor at first, then made my own when I can and switched to light. I stuck with dragon scale
 * 13:47:41: K2000killer: my knightinggale armour
 * 13:48:03: Gbrid: i dont know if my game just glitched but daedric had better stats than any dragon armor i made
 * 13:48:09: Gbrid: and that sucks killer
 * 13:48:38: K2000killer: how do I obtain the dragon armour
 * 13:48:59: RenzXVI: Because Daedric is the best type of armor.
 * 13:49:11: Gbrid: you need to have the dlc and get smithing to 100
 * 13:49:18: RenzXVI: But there's only a heavy version of it so I stuck with dragonscale.
 * 13:49:26: Gbrid: and ah that makes sense, i thought dragon trumped daedric
 * 13:49:34: RenzXVI: No.
 * 13:49:34: K2000killer: i get that at Christmas
 * 13:49:51: Gbrid: is dragonscale a light armor? i thought all dragon armors were heavy
 * 13:50:06: RenzXVI: Dragonscale is light, dragonplate is heavy.
 * 13:50:31: K2000killer: is there a glitch that if a follower takes out a two handed weapon it makes a vibrating noise
 * 13:50:45: RenzXVI: I dunno.
 * 13:51:35: Gbrid: i dont think so
 * 13:52:42: Gbrid: renz what level are you?
 * 13:52:53: K2000killer: cause i have vorstag and whenevery he draws his weapon it makes a weird noise
 * 13:53:00: RenzXVI: I reached level 150 2 years ago.
 * 13:53:26: K2000killer: do any of u have discord
 * 13:53:42: RenzXVI: Yeah.
 * 13:53:53: Gbrid: whats discord?
 * 13:53:58: K2000killer: can we get in a discord chat
 * 13:54:14: RenzXVI: Here's the TES Wiki discord server https://discord.gg/JAcEppZ
 * 13:54:23: RenzXVI: it's a chat client, Gbrid
 * 13:55:11: Gbrid: i cant access it rn, im at school so its blocked for me
 * 13:55:17: RenzXVI: ok
 * 13:55:41: K2000killer: Renz hats ur id
 * 13:57:49: RenzXVI: I dunno, just go on the server, I am there.
 * 14:01:24: K2000killer: i messaged u
 * 14:23:56: K2000killer: hey
 * 14:25:51: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 14:26:16: K2000killer: horses are stupid in skyrim
 * 14:26:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: how so?
 * 14:27:16: RenzXVI: They attack anything that moves.
 * 14:27:39: K2000killer: a tiny fall which does no damage to me but takes half of my horses is health
 * 14:27:46: RenzXVI: The ironic thing is, they have better path finding than Lydia... Horses will follow enemies until they die.
 * 14:28:06: K2000killer: Lydia????
 * 14:28:47: RenzXVI: Yeah, the human-shaped luggage which is categorized as a female housecarl.
 * 14:29:11: K2000killer: which city
 * 14:30:03: RenzXVI: She's in Breezehome in Whiterun, you don't remember her? How? She's the first first housecarl you ever meet.
 * 14:30:22: K2000killer: i didn't get one ;(
 * 14:31:38: RenzXVI: She has the most memes of all Skyrim followers too.
 * 14:31:55: RenzXVI: Aela fan club posts don't cont.
 * 14:31:57: RenzXVI: count*
 * 14:32:03: K2000killer: i think she got killed
 * 14:32:12: K2000killer: oopps i just remembered
 * 14:32:26: RenzXVI: You probably sacrificed her to Boethiah.
 * 14:32:36: RenzXVI: On the pillar.
 * 14:32:53: K2000killer: no used the one from riften u know the 500 gold bandit
 * 14:33:25: RenzXVI: Marcurio?
 * 14:33:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you angered a lot of fangirls with that
 * 14:34:05: RenzXVI: Y U no remember names of everyone?
 * 14:34:19: RenzXVI: He isn't a bandit at all. XD
 * 14:34:36: K2000killer: i cant help it
 * 14:34:59: RenzXVI: I know I have a bad memory and I haven't played SKyrim in 2 years but I remember at least all the basics.
 * 14:35:25: K2000killer: two many names
 * 14:37:00: RenzXVI: Two isn't a lot.
 * 14:37:21: K2000killer: the main one i know is j'zargo, delphien and esbern i meant too
 * 14:38:09: K2000killer: hurry up chrismas
 * 14:38:17: K2000killer: fuck
 * 14:38:29: RenzXVI: no.
 * 14:38:37: RenzXVI: Don't talk about Christmas when I am here.
 * 14:38:39: K2000killer: y not
 * 14:39:03: K2000killer: i want Christmas to hurry up so i can play all three dlcs
 * 14:39:12: K2000killer: and fuck my xbox
 * 14:39:28: RenzXVI: Don't get me started on Christmas, I could tell you about every year of my life.
 * 14:39:50: K2000killer: go on then but first let me grab my popcorn
 * 14:39:56: RenzXVI: And most of the horrible 31 days of December.
 * 14:40:01: RenzXVI: Nah.
 * 14:40:17: K2000killer: don't u hate me for my last message
 * 14:40:30: RenzXVI: I like popcorn.
 * 14:40:37: K2000killer: whats wrong with christmas
 * 14:40:50: K2000killer: I'm on about let me grab my popcorn
 * 14:41:30: K2000killer: fingers crossed guys
 * 14:41:48: NelothCanisRootTea: So, uhhh anyone played Shadow of War
 * 14:41:54: K2000killer: a bit
 * 14:42:09: K2000killer: not my cup of tea tho
 * 14:42:22: NelothCanisRootTea: It is mine
 * 14:42:40: K2000killer: well u like canis root ea
 * 14:42:43: K2000killer: tea
 * 14:42:44: NelothCanisRootTea: I expected it to be way worse, but it's actually decent
 * 14:42:49: NelothCanisRootTea: Haha yes. I do
 * 14:43:19: RenzXVI: You should reverse the question, what isn't wrong with Christmas?
 * 14:44:12: RenzXVI: The holiday itself is built on stupidity.
 * 14:45:15: K2000killer: me need coffee
 * 14:47:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the holiday itself is built on a pagan germanic tradition that was incorporated into christianity by the romans in an attempt to convert the pagans
 * 14:47:36: K2000killer: I'm pagan
 * 14:47:52: RenzXVI: Yeah, that, and Jesus wasn't really born during December.
 * 14:48:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: jesus was most likely born around easter
 * 14:48:44: K2000killer: no he wasn't he was born in april my birth month
 * 14:49:49: RenzXVI: No, it's still debated on what exact date it is but it's definitely not december.
 * 14:52:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: unfortunately, christians will probably try to block any research into it bc religion is incompatible with truth
 * 14:52:31: RenzXVI: Lol, they've always been blocking everything.
 * 14:52:40: K2000killer: anyways lets talk me through the 3 skyrim dlcs
 * 14:53:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sure, which one shall we talk about?
 * 14:53:13: K2000killer: u pick
 * 14:53:16: RenzXVI: Dawnguard has Vampires, Heathfire has has house decorating, Dragonborn has tentacle monsters
 * 14:53:25: RenzXVI: Covered it all.
 * 14:54:00: K2000killer: that don't help
 * 14:54:09: K2000killer: whatcan i do in them
 * 14:54:15: RenzXVI: Do hearthfire first, so you get the most out of your house and stuff. Then Dawnguard second, Dragonborn last. That's how the story is intended to be.
 * 14:55:22: K2000killer: well cant remember which one it is but i can use boats????
 * 14:55:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: in hearthfire, you can build a house. in dawnguard, you can become a master vampire or kill vampires. in dragonborn, you travel to the island of Solstheim, become Hermaeus Mora's servant and fight the first dragonborn
 * 14:55:28: RenzXVI: Hearthfire is literally just house improvements and marriage and stuff. Dawnguard has a ton of vampire related quests, you get to become a vampire lord and live in a castle, it's epic. Dragonborn is the true ending of the game.
 * 14:58:01: K2000killer: which one can i use the boats in
 * 14:58:16: RenzXVI: I have no idea what boats you are talking about.
 * 14:58:42: RenzXVI: You can sail to Solstheim but you don't really drive the thing
 * 14:58:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you can never control boats yourself in any of the expansions
 * 14:59:25: K2000killer: but i can get on a boat and travel somewhere cant i
 * 15:00:31: RenzXVI: Yeah.
 * 15:01:16: K2000killer: healing potion recipe please fast
 * 15:01:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: in dawnguard, you can take the boat to castle volkihar. in dragonborn, you can take it to solstheim
 * 15:01:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: idk, i always mix random shit together
 * 15:04:05: K2000killer: i love youtube
 * 15:04:56: NelothCanisRootTea: I hate it atm
 * 15:05:17: NelothCanisRootTea: Recomme dations suck and most youtubers I watch turned family friendly.
 * 15:05:34: NelothCanisRootTea: Recommendations
 * 15:05:52: K2000killer: shitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
 * 15:06:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i mostly use youtube for music
 * 15:06:11: K2000killer: fuck dwemmer ruins
 * 15:06:25: NelothCanisRootTea: Fuck dwemer*
 * 15:06:48: K2000killer: i don't give a shit how t spell it
 * 15:07:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i love dwemer ruins
 * 15:07:12: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the architecture is amazing
 * 15:07:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the falmer are fascinating
 * 15:07:27: NelothCanisRootTea: I meant is a s fuck dwemer in general.
 * 15:07:30: NelothCanisRootTea: As
 * 15:07:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the automatons are awesome
 * 15:07:42: RenzXVI: Are you kidding? Youtubers turn family friendly? lol
 * 15:07:46: NelothCanisRootTea: The only thing I like about them is Lore
 * 15:09:10: RenzXVI: Learning "lore" from youtubers is like learning "news" from tabloids.
 * 15:09:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ^
 * 15:09:37: NelothCanisRootTea: I mean the Lore about dwemer. I hate TES youtubers
 * 15:10:13: K2000killer: RIP J'zargo
 * 15:12:01: K2000killer: ive got dragonplate
 * 15:12:37: NelothCanisRootTea: And I've gpr crippling depression
 * 15:12:39: NelothCanisRootTea: Got
 * 15:14:11: RenzXVI: I am depression because I am crippling.
 * 15:16:35: Mister Min-Maxer: Ugh.
 * 15:16:38: Mister Min-Maxer: Memes.
 * 15:17:19: RenzXVI: Can you explain how that was a meme?
 * 15:17:19: Mister Min-Maxer: So, how're y'all?
 * 15:17:42: RenzXVI: or maybe you were talking about something else.
 * 15:18:14: Mister Min-Maxer: There'a a meme, I think by IDubbz, where he jumps into a wheelchair and says "I've got crippling depression."
 * 15:18:32: K2000killer: its a real life problem thaks
 * 15:18:43: K2000killer: thanks
 * 15:18:46: NelothCanisRootTea: But it was a meme way before he said it
 * 15:18:53: Mister Min-Maxer: Yeah.
 * 15:19:04: NelothCanisRootTea: Wait
 * 15:19:07: RenzXVI: It was a real life thing way before it was a meme.
 * 15:19:08: NelothCanisRootTea: It's not a meme
 * 15:19:38: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ It is, though.
 * 15:19:43: RenzXVI: Why do kids these days have to identify everything with a meme or with a gender or youtube trend or whatever.
 * 15:20:01: Mister Min-Maxer: I don't. In fact, I kinda hate memes.
 * 15:20:07: Mister Min-Maxer: They lower people's IQ
 * 15:20:24: NelothCanisRootTea: Jusr like skyrim
 * 15:20:29: RenzXVI: Lol, it's funny how you went in here and started a meme topic.
 * 15:20:31: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Seriously.
 * 15:20:49: Mister Min-Maxer: I know.
 * 15:20:53: RenzXVI: Reminds me of some users who go in here just to talk how much they hate Minecraft.
 * 15:21:07: Mister Min-Maxer: I assume you play it them?
 * 15:21:17: RenzXVI: It's not the point.
 * 15:21:23: Mister Min-Maxer: Sure it isn't
 * 15:21:29: K2000killer: Christmas songs
 * 15:21:33: RenzXVI: They are the ones who talk about what they hate the most on the whole wiki.
 * 15:21:38: Mister Min-Maxer: ^^ Huh?
 * 15:21:49: Mister Min-Maxer: I don't really do that.
 * 15:22:01: K2000killer: let it snow let it snow
 * 15:22:02: Mister Min-Maxer: Also, I'm kinda glad I didn't vote from Neloth.
 * 15:22:04: RenzXVI: I was relating it with your meme hating.
 * 15:22:08: Mister Min-Maxer: He hates Skyrim.
 * 15:23:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true, he settled in Solstheim after the red year
 * 15:23:03: NelothCanisRootTea: I don't hate Skyrim. I just find it less fun than the past TES games.
 * 15:23:17: Mister Min-Maxer: Oh.
 * 15:23:28: Mister Min-Maxer: I thought you thought it was for Casuals.
 * 15:23:31: Mister Min-Maxer: Like Fallout 4
 * 15:23:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it kinda is
 * 15:23:41: Mister Min-Maxer: Meh.
 * 15:23:44: K2000killer: lets talk about the elder scrolls getting a Christmas update across all platforms and games
 * 15:23:53: Mister Min-Maxer: I don't really feel that it's like that.
 * 15:24:07: Mister Min-Maxer: Honestly, Skyrim is a good RPG.
 * 15:24:32: NelothCanisRootTea: It's more of a action game with some rpg elements
 * 15:24:41: Mister Min-Maxer: People who find it easy are just playing on Novice.
 * 15:24:54: Mister Min-Maxer: ^^ I won't disagree, but I won't agree.
 * 15:24:56: RenzXVI: some?
 * 15:25:16: Mister Min-Maxer: Nowadays, I'd say that RPG's are forced to become Action games.
 * 15:25:20: RenzXVI: You probably don't know how game categories work.
 * 15:25:24: Mister Min-Maxer: I do.
 * 15:25:32: RenzXVI: Not you.
 * 15:25:39: Mister Min-Maxer: Oh. Sorrry.
 * 15:26:12: K2000killer: lets talk about the elder scrolls getting a Christmas update across all platforms and games
 * 15:26:22: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Nah.
 * 15:26:24: RenzXVI: Why are you so obsessed with Christmas?
 * 15:26:31: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Because he is
 * 15:26:42: RenzXVI: You are deliberately trying to force a topic on people who don't really care about said topic.
 * 15:26:50: Mister Min-Maxer: Yes he is,
 * 15:26:59: RenzXVI: You are starting to copypaste your own messages until people reply to you.
 * 15:27:13: Mister Min-Maxer: #Banhim
 * 15:27:22: Mister Min-Maxer: I'm just kidding.
 * 15:27:23: K2000killer: i just want to see what the elder scrolls would look like at christmas
 * 15:27:33: K2000killer: i did one
 * 15:27:37: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Then start a discussion.
 * 15:27:42: RenzXVI: It's not hard to imagine, there's snow in a lot of places.
 * 15:27:56: Mister Min-Maxer: They are probably much more interested in that than us.
 * 15:29:20: K2000killer: but that's snow
 * 15:29:29: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Snow is snow is snow.
 * 15:29:31: Mister Min-Maxer: We know.
 * 15:29:49: NelothCanisRootTea: Christmas doesn't exist in TES, so why would you like to force it in?
 * 15:30:13: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ True, Christianity at it's finesrt
 * 15:31:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: christians force their nonsense on everyone everywhere. no surprise people would want it in TES
 * 15:31:16: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Exactly.
 * 15:31:24: Mister Min-Maxer: I assume you are a fellow athiest?
 * 15:31:36: Mister Min-Maxer: Or a fellow spaghetti monster priest?
 * 15:31:51: K2000killer: I'm not a Christian for fuck sake
 * 15:32:02: Mister Min-Maxer: Whoah.
 * 15:32:10: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the FSM is the one true deity
 * 15:32:18: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Yes!
 * 15:32:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: he boiled for our sins
 * 15:32:30: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ True,
 * 15:32:59: NelothCanisRootTea: Guess I'm the only one who is a Tribunal follower
 * 15:33:10: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Yeah.
 * 15:33:17: Mister Min-Maxer: Vivec is a shit god, ma
 * 15:33:21: Mister Min-Maxer: *man
 * 15:33:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the tribunal are proven to be false gods
 * 15:33:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: though i guess that doesn't matter to a believer
 * 15:33:57: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: christianity has been proven false countless times after all
 * 15:34:33: NelothCanisRootTea: Everyone in TES is a false god. But I 'believe' in Vivec because he achieved CHIM
 * 15:34:50: NelothCanisRootTea: ^^Every religion is proven false
 * 15:36:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: pastafarianism isn't
 * 15:37:00: NelothCanisRootTea: True
 * 15:37:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: which is why i live by the eight i'd really rather you didn'ts
 * 15:38:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: cause if i didnt believe in the FSM, i'd totally build multimillion dollar churches in his name
 * 15:47:17: K2000killer: everyone calm now
 * 15:49:58: K2000killer: HEY
 * 15:50:06: K2000killer: hey
 * 15:51:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hey
 * 15:51:36: K2000killer: we all calm now
 * 15:54:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
 * 15:55:10: K2000killer: hello
 * 15:55:14: K2000killer: :3
 * 15:58:11: KINMUNE: Hello there, Xray641!
 * 15:58:16: Xray641: Hi
 * 15:58:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 15:58:40: Xray641: In skyrim I'm level 52
 * 15:59:34: Xray641: How do I kill karstaag
 * 16:00:14: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Ask on /d.
 * 16:00:26: Xray641: Thanks
 * 16:00:31: Mister Min-Maxer: Or look it up on this exact site.
 * 16:00:43: Mister Min-Maxer: Generally, this place is more for off-topic stuff.
 * 16:00:50: Mister Min-Maxer: You're welcome.
 * 16:01:01: Xray641: How do I get the fire ball spell
 * 16:01:10: Mister Min-Maxer: I think you buy it.
 * 16:01:17: Xray641: Were
 * 16:01:25: Mister Min-Maxer: From any wizard.
 * 16:01:25: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: anywhere
 * 16:01:44: Mister Min-Maxer: Could be a court wizard, or that guy at the COW
 * 16:02:00: Mister Min-Maxer: Yes, that's what I call it,
 * 16:02:37: Xray641: I killed the one in whiterun
 * 16:02:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no you didn't
 * 16:02:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: farengar is essential
 * 16:02:53: Xray641: Yes I did
 * 16:02:56: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: he can't die
 * 16:03:14: Xray641: We'll he did
 * 16:03:18: K2000killer: hey
 * 16:03:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: wait nvm, he's no longer essential after bleak falls barrow
 * 16:04:13: Xray641: How do I get the ebory
 * 16:04:36: K2000killer: I hav thzt
 * 16:04:47: Xray641: How many time have you died
 * 16:05:15: K2000killer: 1000000000 and more
 * 16:05:22: Xray641: What
 * 16:06:15: Xray641: How
 * 16:07:06: K2000killer: dragons dragons and more dragons
 * 16:08:44: Xray641: I have kill 151 dragon
 * 16:08:52: K2000killer: fucking hell
 * 16:11:23: Xray641: Stop sewing
 * 16:11:23: K2000killer: how
 * 16:11:30: K2000killer: its allowed
 * 16:11:41: Xray641: No is not
 * 16:11:51: Xray641: And how
 * 16:11:59: Xray641: I cheated
 * 16:12:03: Mister Min-Maxer: Jesus.
 * 16:12:12: Xray641: Wow
 * 16:12:15: K2000killer: don't use that name
 * 16:12:20: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ I will.
 * 16:12:30: Mister Min-Maxer: And you said you weren't a christian.
 * 16:12:43: K2000killer: still
 * 16:12:45: Mister Min-Maxer: Also, you two should be on /d
 * 16:12:51: Xray641: How many times have you died
 * 16:12:55: Mister Min-Maxer: 0.
 * 16:13:09: K2000killer: what
 * 16:13:13: Xray641: How
 * 16:13:18: Mister Min-Maxer: I played on legendary, through the entire game, on survival mode, and never died once
 * 16:13:22: Mister Min-Maxer: I'm a pro.
 * 16:13:39: Xray641: Well
 * 16:13:41: Xray641: You
 * 16:13:43: Xray641: Are
 * 16:13:47: Mister Min-Maxer: Not trying to be arrogant, I'm just good at most games I play.
 * 16:13:55: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Stop spamming.
 * 16:14:02: Xray641: Well run
 * 16:14:06: Mister Min-Maxer: Run?
 * 16:14:06: K2000killer: why should we be on /d
 * 16:14:24: Mister Min-Maxer: Because, you are both obviously super mature.
 * 16:14:35: Xray641: What is that
 * 16:14:35: Mister Min-Maxer: /d is more active, too.
 * 16:14:50: Xray641: How is d/
 * 16:14:50: Mister Min-Maxer: Exit the chat, and click "Discuss"
 * 16:15:01: Xray641: Why
 * 16:15:10: Mister Min-Maxer: Jesus.
 * 16:15:17: Xray641: What
 * 16:15:21: Mister Min-Maxer: I feel like the moderators right now.
 * 16:15:26: K2000killer: its a chat for fucksake
 * 16:15:31: Mister Min-Maxer: Now I know why they hate their jobs.
 * 16:15:33: Xray641: What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * 16:15:42: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ Shut up, please.
 * 16:15:48: Xray641: K
 * 16:15:50: Xray641: K
 * 16:16:20: Xray641: Why are you doing this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ all the time
 * 16:16:45: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ It shows that I am replying to a post ^ many times above mine,
 * 16:17:04: K2000killer: we'll let The butiful princess as she is a chat moderator
 * 16:17:12: Xray641: Why are you a cheater
 * 16:17:19: Mister Min-Maxer: I'm a cheater now?
 * 16:17:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: who's a cheater and why?
 * 16:17:36: Xray641: Sos bro
 * 16:17:42: Mister Min-Maxer: I dunno. But now I do know why you hate .d
 * 16:17:45: Mister Min-Maxer: */d
 * 16:18:03: Mister Min-Maxer: These guys are like, spammy and cancerous
 * 16:18:04: Xray641: Why are you rude to me bro
 * 16:18:05: K2000killer: are we allowed to swear in the group chat
 * 16:18:14: Xray641: NO
 * 16:18:22: Mister Min-Maxer: ^^ Yes, but only if you aren't twelve.
 * 16:18:28: K2000killer: I'm 14
 * 16:18:31: Mister Min-Maxer: Are you guys twelve?
 * 16:18:40: Xray641: OK go a he'd
 * 16:18:41: K2000killer: 04/04/2003
 * 16:18:50: Mister Min-Maxer: Don't give me all that info.
 * 16:19:01: Xray641: 2007 bro
 * 16:19:11: Mister Min-Maxer: ^ You shouldn't be here.
 * 16:19:17: Mister Min-Maxer: You are violating COPPA.
 * 16:19:28: Mister Min-Maxer: Ashley, am I correct?
 * 16:19:37: Xray641: How are you talking to
 * 16:19:48: Mister Min-Maxer: Ashley?
 * 16:19:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you were born in 2007?
 * 16:20:10: Mister Min-Maxer: I think he's saying that.
 * 16:20:12: Xray641: I was born on 2007
 * 16:20:20: Mister Min-Maxer: /o
 * 16:20:24: Mister Min-Maxer: Bye-bye
 * 16:20:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sorry, i'll have to ban you for being underage
 * 16:20:34: Xray641: What is that
 * The Beautiful Princess Ashley banned Xray641 with reason: underage
 * 16:20:55: Mister Min-Maxer: So, Ashley?
 * 16:21:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah?
 * 16:21:14: Mister Min-Maxer: I think I could be a mod, maybe I'll apply in December or so.
 * 16:21:38: Mister Min-Maxer: I just learned why you guys hate /d
 * 16:21:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't think you've been active long enough, though i'll admit i rarely check the /d
 * 16:21:51: Mister Min-Maxer: I agree.
 * 16:21:53: K2000killer: do I kill paarthurnax
 * 16:21:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no
 * 16:22:02: Mister Min-Maxer: ^^ If you're an asshole
 * 16:22:51: Mister Min-Maxer: I have 900 posts, and I've been here since early september. Again, I'll apply sometime in late november or december, if I apply at all.
 * 16:23:22: Mister Min-Maxer: I've never been banned here, and I don't think anyone's ever even reported me without it being trashed.
 * 16:23:49: Mister Min-Maxer: Honestly, I'm probably too active here.
 * 16:24:21: Mister Min-Maxer: KINMUNE, is /d cancerous?
 * 16:24:22: KINMUNE: Not even remotely.
 * 16:24:30: Mister Min-Maxer: Wow, that's surprising.
 * 16:24:37: Mister Min-Maxer: Good to know.
 * 16:24:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Moderators the requirements are detailed on this page
 * 16:25:57: Mister Min-Maxer: Thanks.
 * 16:26:07: K2000killer: y shouldn't I kill paarthunx
 * 16:26:40: Mister Min-Maxer: Why is Sheo a mod?
 * 16:26:55: Mister Min-Maxer: he/she only has a few edits.
 * 16:27:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: idk, he seems like a good guy
 * 16:27:09: Mister Min-Maxer: Only 36.
 * 16:27:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i wasn't involved in the decision-making though
 * 16:27:17: Mister Min-Maxer: That's a bit hypocritical.
 * 16:27:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the 500 edits rule was only implemented recently
 * 16:28:20: Mister Min-Maxer: Oh.
 * 16:29:00: K2000killer: I'm gunna die a lot in a couple of minutes
 * 16:30:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i wouldn't have been able to become a mod either if the rule was in place when i applied
 * 16:31:55: K2000killer: time to go to sovangaurd
 * 16:33:27: Mister Min-Maxer: Ugh.
 * 16:33:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's a good rule though
 * 16:33:56: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: mods should have a proper understanding of editing
 * 16:43:10: Mister Min-Maxer: Just did 2 edits.
 * 16:43:34: Mister Min-Maxer: Not tiny ones, either.
 * 16:45:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i think ending talos worship is just a means to achieve their goal, not a goal in itself
 * 16:46:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: also, what cups are made of is pure speculation and does not belong on the page
 * 16:48:41: K2000killer: shit shit shit
 * 17:25:41: Mister Min-Maxer: ^^ Cups are made of pure speculation?
 * 17:25:48: Mister Min-Maxer: Okay, fine.
 * 17:25:55: Mister Min-Maxer: At least I had 1 good edit.
 * 18:26:15: Mister Min-Maxer: Hello.
 * 19:10:50: Jr seriel: Sup!
 * 19:11:07: Nekyn Alb: pe
 * 19:11:08: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 19:57:05: Sakaratte: Aww, i missed Min. has Atvel been on?
 * 20:00:03: Jr seriel: Not that I know of
 * 20:00:36: Sakaratte: Ah, I'll hang around a bit. In no rush to catch him
 * 20:01:18: Jr seriel: I heard about the drama at the FO will with him you mentioned yesterday
 * 20:01:33: Jr seriel: Will*
 * 20:01:41: Jr seriel: Wiki*
 * 20:01:58: Sakaratte: Yeah, it isn't a huge deal though. Thought I'd see if there was any truth in his words
 * 20:50:52: Sakaratte: KINMUNE who is better flight or Atvel?
 * 20:53:53: Sakaratte: Oh I see how it is, a bot never speaks ill of its master ;)
 * 20:54:33: Jr seriel: You forgot the comma
 * 20:54:58: Jr seriel: KINMUNE, who is better flight or Atvel?
 * 20:54:59: KINMUNE: Ask SuperSajuuk, he probably knows.
 * 20:57:37: Sakaratte: I don't need no comma's. Its a slow night so I ended up trying to talk to the bot
 * 21:01:16: Jr seriel: Yeah. I think most of us have been there.
 * 22:01:51: The Crusader of Truth: o/
 * 22:11:16: KINMUNE: Hello there, Nchunak!
 * 22:11:40: Nchunak: Why does this browser always open this tab? Ugh
 * 22:16:19: The Crusader of Truth: is Flightmare tho??
 * 22:20:45: Sakaratte: Not sure crus