Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-10993011-20130618024431/@comment-80.216.214.210-20130821230526

VAULTEER wrote: 80.216,

You keep making excuses and blowing things out of proportion. What he did was not right, but it was necessary. You cannot deny that the Empire is like the glue that holds together an unstable atom bomb. Before the first Empire was founded, it was nothing but chaos, war and strife, they even mention this in one of the Elder Scrolls Online interviews at E3. Tamriel would be weak from the constant warring after an Empire falls, and if one force were to unite even just 2 or 3 territories, like the Aldmeri Dominion, which would only grow stronger from the fall of the Empire, they would be able to conquer everything. Don't say it's never happened before, because it has, the dragons. Which as you know, are back.

Best case scenario, the AD wins. At least not all the races will be enslaved.

The Dark Brotherhood assassinating the Emperor would do little, after all they are the agents of change, while the Empire tends to go back to the same ways, because it works. There will always be rough spots, and it's why they aren't considered the agents of unchange and order. They are more law, which has it's flaws.

You look at the Nords as an "Ultimate Race", which they are most certainly not. They can be stubborn, and would rather die honourously rather than live a, as they would call them, a "Coward". When I spoke of the Elves recovering quickly I meant that they have superior magical abilities that would allow them to heal each other, both in battle, and to heal the wounded. Nords are commonly afraid of magic, and shun it as trickery. The Elves have a huge advantage over the Nords, along with many other races, in this manner.

The Redguards were at full strength when the AD invaded. What Ulfric is doing is weakening the very fabric of Skyrim, causing unrest and dispute. The AD could sweep through there easily at the end of the fight. It's one of the main reasons to join the Empire instead of the Stormcloaks. Even Ulfric says he was only making the situation worse.

I have res-tated many things I have said before, and yet you don't call this proof? The main piece of evidence you give is that they couldn't even defeat the Redguards. They defeated half their province though.

I don't support the AD in any way. But it was necessary to sing that treaty to save themselves, and many others. Possible all of Tamriel, given enough time, and making sure they are the only Alliance, which they could do with their many spies. No, I'm doing no such thing.

Yes the real Empire, with a Dragonblood Emperor is all the things you said it is.

The false present empire is none of those things however, as evidenced by the present state of things in Tamriel.

Sure it could happen but.. Look at the past elven attempts to take Tamriel.

They all failed.

Humans have destroyed all the elves past attempts at building empires/destroying the world.

Snow Elves were stopped, Ayleids were stopped etc.

Why do you think this time things will be different?

It won't, humans will bring down the AD, and hopefully make sure that Altmer can't threathen the world any further.

Best case scenario, Altmer vanish.

Hopefully the DB assassinating the pretender will lead to a real Empire.

Hah, no I most certainly do not view Nords as "Ultimate Race" and when have I said anything of the sort?

I may or may not have implied HUMAN superiority over Mer but that has nothing to do with Nords.

Living a cowardly life isn't much to praise.

Sure they "shun" magic but guess what?

Redguards do the exact SAME!

Did you skim over that part?

I do wonder why everyone who brings up Nords shunning/fearing always seem to forget that Redguards do to but they did fairly well against the Dominion.

Pray tell, why would Nords do worse?

Are you racist?

I do have to wonder.

Elves have common carnival magic, they can't do anything a skilled human magician can't match step by step.

High Elves lie all the time, see the Moons and their supposed closing of the Gates for reference.

First off no, the AD couldn't "sweep" in.

From where would it sweep in?

The Justicars can only get in because the empire let's them.

And no what Ulfric is doing is saving humanity and by extent all of Tamriel by not bowing to the whims of omnicidal maniac charlatans ie the AD.

And your forgetting Ulfric only says he made it worse inregard to Alduin not the AD.

Real clever there VAULTEER, you almost got away with it.

You and others have repeated untruths, why should that sway anyone?

Let alone me?

And lastly just no, no.