Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-26356342-20150701224643

Zippertrain85 wrote:

College Mage: Ferris wrote:

Zippertrain85 wrote:

College Mage: Ferris wrote:

Scout Trooper 164 wrote: The Stormcloaks don't like the Thalmor, and also, just because I don't like the Empire doesn't mean I'm using the propaganda. Oh I'm not suggesting you're using the propaganda, that's more of a comment towards the only other pro-stormcloak person in this discussion. The Empire hate the Thalmor just as much, and as the Imperial Soldiers will mention... But what the Empire likes to forget is that, they're the only reason the Dominion is IN skyrim! They had essentially won the great war, with the Dominion throwing everything they had at the Empire during the Battle of Red Ring... Not entierly true. While the WGC gave the Dominion the option to send Justicars in order to enforce the terms, they had no reason to go into Skyrim until after the Markarth Incident. Ulfric forcing the Empire to bend on the terms... I'm assuming you're basing this off of what Alvor said at the beginning in Riverwood. A lot of people say how this proves the the Empire was right, but it's a questionable claim. The Dominion as shown by the Towers Theory would need Talos worship to be completely removed from humanity in order for their plans to work. It makes no sense they would not enforce the ban with this in mind, considering if people still worshipped him they couldn't do what they wanted. So Alvor's claim to at very least dubious to me.

Ulfric didn't really have many soldiers fighting for him at the time. The Empire and the Dominion attacked him unexpectedly and he got arrested for many years. Only after that, did he attack the Empire for allowing and helping such an ordeal go down! That is why he hates the Empire even, he had much less harsh feeling before they arrested him and his followers at the time. I wasnt basing it entirely on Alvor's words, but they are as good as any. IF you believe the Towers theory (which is a rather large IF) it's hard to imagine why you would then side with the stormcloaks, as it's not only well known the Talos ban wasnt fully enforced till AFTER the Markarth Incident, but Ulfric was obviously brainwashed into becomeing an unknowing asset to the Thalmor. His whole uprising is the product of the Thalmor themselves. I totally understand why Ulfric is doing what he's doing and I can agree to a certain extent. He means well and is an honorable man, but he is not the right leader for Skyrim. And based only on the dialog of the Jarls put into power between the 2 factions, I trust Skyrim is in better hands while within the Empire.