The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log November 2017


 * 20:01:11: Atvelonis: We can wait a few more minutes in case there are any latecomers
 * 20:01:34: Josetrujillo: today its a event or something?
 * 20:01:47: Atvelonis: TES:Moot
 * 20:02:06: Aquila2002: AoK will be joining us after Dinner.
 * 20:02:21: Sakaratte: I'm here again, because why not?
 * 20:02:23: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Cat Master!
 * 20:02:28: Josetrujillo: k
 * 20:02:28: Atvelonis: Hi car
 * 20:02:32: Atvelonis: cat
 * 20:02:45: The Cat Master: Hey guys
 * 20:03:03: Nekyn Alb: vroom
 * 20:03:04: Nekyn Alb: Hello o/
 * 20:03:10: The Crusader of Truth: o/
 * 20:03:57: KINMUNE: Hello there, Goreadabook1!
 * 20:04:09: KINMUNE: Hello there, Jr seriel!
 * 20:04:09: Goreadabook1: Hi
 * 20:04:21: Goreadabook1: Is the moot over
 * 20:04:33: RhodiumOdi: Only starting
 * 20:04:39: Goreadabook1: Ok
 * 20:04:55: Sakaratte: Means odi isn't causing trouble my end for a bit ;)
 * 20:05:11: RhodiumOdi: I didn't mean to, I swear. Lol
 * 20:05:26: Goreadabook1: Hi
 * 20:05:26: Sakaratte: I actually think it was pretty healthy for us all tbh
 * 20:06:00: RhodiumOdi: Must do our off topic tonight, yeah.
 * 20:06:59: Atvelonis: h
 * 20:07:05: Goreadabook1: h
 * 20:07:09: Atvelonis: *hi, lol
 * 20:07:13: Atvelonis: mobile
 * 20:07:15: Goreadabook1: Lmao
 * 20:07:31: The Crusader of Truth: To the 20 users that joined chat when I turned away: Hello o/
 * 20:07:39: Goreadabook1: Hi
 * 20:07:40: Aquila2002: What're we going to be discussing this week?
 * 20:07:54: The Crusader of Truth: Quick answer: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Moot#Sign-up
 * 20:08:04: The Crusader of Truth: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Moot#Current_Moot_Topics is closer actually
 * 20:08:46: Goreadabook1: h
 * 20:08:47: Goreadabook1: h
 * 20:09:36: RhodiumOdi: No sign of Abdus, what happens if he doesn't turn up?
 * 20:09:59: Atvelonis: Then we don't discuss his topics
 * 20:10:01: Goreadabook1: Hi
 * 20:11:02: Sakaratte: Abdus did leave cat a message on his own talkpage iirc
 * 20:11:02: RhodiumOdi: But this is week two of him not showing, there's nothing saying he has to turn up at some point?
 * 20:11:15: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ordinator076!
 * 20:11:19: Atvelonis: No the sign up page isn't binding
 * 20:11:29: Ordinator076: Have we started yet?
 * 20:11:32: Atvelonis: although it's pretty annoying to sign up and never show up
 * 20:11:32: Goreadabook1: No
 * 20:11:34: The Crusader of Truth: Not yet
 * 20:11:35: Atvelonis: not quite
 * 20:11:39: RhodiumOdi: Kk kk
 * 20:11:59: The Cat Master: Is Jauffre or supreme argonian here?
 * 20:12:08: Aquila2002: That's the wrong amount, Odi.
 * 20:12:15: Goreadabook1: Why don't we just start now
 * 20:12:20: Ordinator076: Supreme can't make it
 * 20:12:37: Rozty: did he say that?
 * 20:12:47: Ordinator076: Yes in the Kik chat
 * 20:13:03: Nekyn Alb: Isn't Abdus topic useless anyway? I understood it as allowing fanon into the wiki
 * 20:13:03: The Cat Master: Look as if the only topic to discuss is Crusader's.
 * 20:13:25: Ordinator076: Guesing it will be a short moot this month then.
 * 20:13:41: The Crusader of Truth: Guess I'm special in more ways than one
 * 20:13:50: Atvelonis: Jauffre may show up later. There's apparently been some confusion about DST
 * 20:14:09: The Crusader of Truth: Should we wait until 4:20?
 * 20:14:13: RhodiumOdi: Unless anyone has something they'd like to talk about, Crus seems to be it
 * 20:14:18: Atvelonis: i don't even know when the change is. This week, last week, no idea. Phone updates automatically so idk anymore
 * 20:14:25: The Crusader of Truth: Next week
 * 20:14:34: The Crusader of Truth: Actually today I think
 * 20:14:35: The Cat Master: This weekend
 * 20:14:36: The Crusader of Truth: Idk lmao
 * 20:14:41: Jr seriel: Yeah it is today
 * 20:14:46: Rozty: i thought it already happened?
 * 20:14:52: Rozty: oh lol
 * 20:14:55: Atvelonis: It's different per country
 * 20:15:07: Atvelonis: moot time is tied to US Eastern
 * 20:15:21: Sakaratte: I have a slight update froma topic in last moot, but that's it
 * 20:15:34: Ordinator076: The discord?
 * 20:15:40: Sakaratte: Make it two then
 * 20:15:52: Sakaratte: I have a request to make being one of them
 * 20:17:36: The Crusader of Truth: All these people and still silence lmao
 * 20:17:46: Jr seriel: I took an oath of silence
 * 20:17:50: Rozty: i am but a spectator
 * 20:17:50: Ordinator076: Im playing MKX
 * 20:17:56: Sakaratte: Well i'm not gonna say anything until official business is dealt with
 * 20:17:57: RhodiumOdi: Should we just start then?
 * 20:17:58: The Crusader of Truth: But you can still type tho Jr
 * 20:18:26: Goreadabook1: This will never start if we don't start it soon
 * 20:18:36: Atvelonis: We can start whenever. Crus is presenting first
 * 20:18:36: Jr seriel: I also signed a non-disclosure agreement so can't type, it was very encompassing
 * 20:18:40: The Crusader of Truth: On it
 * 20:18:42: Aquila2002: How about we sit here in silence for an hour?
 * 20:18:46: The Cat Master: Im multi tasking between this Fallout 4 and laundry
 * 20:18:49: Goreadabook1: Fun
 * 20:18:54: Nekyn Alb: Crus, come out of the closet and present yourself
 * 20:19:12: Goreadabook1: Minecraft >
 * 20:19:42: Atvelonis: Mobile chat sucks. No actual mobile friendly interface
 * 20:19:48: The Crusader of Truth: This is more a suggestion than a real moot topic but eh, I wanted to suggest we start adding more categories to, such as http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Maintenance
 * 20:20:22: Atvelonis: Can you explain what a hidden category is and how we would add cats to them, for the unaware?
 * 20:20:24: The Crusader of Truth: The reason for this is that we don't need users to see these categories by theirselves, and it isn't relevant to any single page
 * 20:21:06: Sakaratte: If I have this right, that would make the top line categories a lot clearer and ensure the good categories are visibile wouldn't it?
 * 20:21:08: The Crusader of Truth: Hidden categories hide the categories on the pages theirselves, so that you can't see them on the list. An unpractical example would be adding Skyrim: Characters to Hidden Categories, which would cause it to not show up on pages
 * 20:21:51: Rozty: ok, I understand now
 * 20:21:54: Atvelonis: So all maintenance cats would be added to the hidden cats cat?
 * 20:22:01: The Crusader of Truth: And yes, although I don't completely remember where the list of categories it would actually be useful for are
 * 20:22:23: The Crusader of Truth: And not all, because removing stub etc from pages, simple editing categories, would make it hard for users that want to edit to find things that need work
 * 20:23:08: Atvelonis: So it would be for the more obscure maintenance categories?
 * 20:23:17: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
 * 20:23:28: The Crusader of Truth: And to answer the statement way earlier, to actually add this to pages you add __HIDDENCAT__
 * 20:23:51: The Crusader of Truth: An example of this is http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:3D_Enabled which is a hidden category on pages with 3D images
 * 20:24:32: The Crusader of Truth: Any user who has view hidden categories enabled in preferences will still see them, by the way
 * 20:24:54: Atvelonis: I suppose I don't have an issue with that
 * 20:25:29: The Crusader of Truth: Any questions?
 * 20:25:50: Rozty: no, I don't think I have any
 * 20:25:58: Jr seriel: i have a question
 * 20:26:03: Sakaratte: Seems completely logical as an idea to me
 * 20:26:06: Jr seriel: how dare you
 * 20:26:10: The Crusader of Truth: Ping everyone sorry but anyone?
 * 20:26:11: Jr seriel: jk
 * 20:26:19: The Cat Master: I don't have any questions
 * 20:26:20: Nekyn Alb: I agree
 * 20:26:24: The Crusader of Truth: If not, then voting time
 * 20:26:28: Ordinator076: I have no questions
 * 20:26:43: Atvelonis: Jr do you have a question? Or are we all set?
 * 20:26:58: The Crusader of Truth: I think his 'how dare you' statement was it
 * 20:27:03: Jr seriel: I asked my question, it was "how dare you" but it was a fake question
 * 20:27:15: Aquila2002: Where was the question mark?
 * 20:27:25: Jr seriel: my mistake
 * 20:27:28: The Crusader of Truth: In that case, lets vote
 * 20:27:33: Jr seriel: aye, or nay?
 * 20:27:35: Ordinator076: (+)
 * 20:27:36: Rozty: aya
 * 20:27:39: Aquila2002: (+)
 * 20:27:40: Rozty: aye
 * 20:27:41: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:27:42: Sakaratte: (+)
 * 20:27:42: Atvelonis: Ok. So to vote: should we begin categorizing obscure maintenance cats as hidden
 * 20:27:42: Jr seriel: aye
 * 20:27:43: The Crusader of Truth: Per nomination, (+)
 * 20:27:46: The Cat Master: (+)
 * 20:27:47: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 20:27:48: Ordinator076: (+)
 * 20:28:22: The Crusader of Truth: @Jr (+) to support, (=) for neutral, (-) for oppose
 * 20:28:31: Jr seriel: (+)
 * 20:28:34: KINMUNE: Hello there, Amulet of Kings!
 * 20:28:45: Rozty: (+)
 * 20:28:47: RhodiumOdi: (+)
 * 20:28:51: Atvelonis: 10-0-0?
 * 20:28:55: Amulet of Kings: I guess I can't vote
 * 20:28:56: Atvelonis: hi aok
 * 20:29:04: Aquila2002: Everyone's for, I suppose.
 * 20:29:16: Amulet of Kings: Hi, I couldn't join until now
 * 20:29:18: Nekyn Alb: Hello
 * 20:29:32: Aquila2002: Right then, AoK takes my spot. Later.
 * 20:29:43: Sakaratte: \o
 * 20:29:48: The Crusader of Truth: One of the most unanimous votes in TES history is over hidden categories. Interesting (kappa)
 * 20:30:19: The Crusader of Truth: Well, is that everyone?
 * 20:30:20: RhodiumOdi: Anyone else want to vote?
 * 20:30:23: Atvelonis: Ok so if there are no more votes we can move onto the next topic
 * 20:30:27: Sakaratte: It just makes perfect sense especially if you have articles teeming with them
 * 20:30:39: Atvelonis: Sakaratte, you had something?
 * 20:30:42: Amulet of Kings: what topics have you covered?
 * 20:30:47: Poisoned apples: Just spectating
 * 20:30:48: The Crusader of Truth: Just hidden categories
 * 20:30:50: Sakaratte: I did.
 * 20:31:23: The Crusader of Truth: I have more of an announcement than anything else, but it can wait until the end
 * 20:31:27: Sakaratte: The CC subject was raised in the last moot and us guys at fallout made a decision to just do it. Thought I'd let you know that
 * 20:31:52: Atvelonis: CC subject?
 * 20:31:59: Sakaratte: Creation Club
 * 20:32:01: Ordinator076: Creation club
 * 20:32:04: The Cat Master: Cration club
 * 20:32:17: Atvelonis: Ah yes. Well we have our page on it. Creation Club
 * 20:32:23: Atvelonis: which I still have to update
 * 20:32:25: RhodiumOdi: Citation city
 * 20:32:36: Sakaratte: We voted to go whole hog with it.
 * 20:33:01: The Crusader of Truth: hog brains are disgusting but okay
 * 20:33:26: KINMUNE: Hello there, Qahnaarin1997!
 * 20:33:33: Sakaratte: Thought I'd let you know about that. My second is discord, and is more a request
 * 20:33:33: The Crusader of Truth: o/
 * 20:33:35: Atvelonis: Hi qahn
 * 20:33:36: Sakaratte: o/
 * 20:33:39: Qahnaarin1997: Hello, what's the topic?
 * 20:33:41: RhodiumOdi: o/
 * 20:33:53: Atvelonis: Discord
 * 20:33:57: The Crusader of Truth: Discord, Sakaratte
 * 20:34:00: Sakaratte: I hijacked moot again Qahn
 * 20:34:01: The Crusader of Truth: is about to tell us something
 * 20:34:08: Qahnaarin1997: What?
 * 20:35:15: Sakaratte: After our trial with discord, we turned chat off. What we want to do is give it a proper farewell. Some of your users used to used it, so I was wondering if it would be possible to have a notice somewhere on TES and maybe borrow kinmune for the send off?
 * 20:35:55: Atvelonis: When tomorrow are you turning it off?
 * 20:36:10: Sakaratte: Its already turned off. No-one was using it anymore
 * 20:36:31: Sakaratte: Would of stayed longer if someone didn't try to use it to circumvent a discord ban
 * 20:36:52: Sakaratte: Plan is a one night only turn on to say farewell
 * 20:37:08: Atvelonis: I can include something about it in the update
 * 20:37:15: Atvelonis: youd have to talk to Flight about using KINMUNE
 * 20:37:21: The Crusader of Truth: 1) Kin is Flightmare's choice not ours? 2) That's all we can do ^
 * 20:37:46: Sakaratte: I figured I'd have to ask Flight. Need to catch up with him about a few things anyway
 * 20:37:54: Sakaratte: When I have a date I'll let you know Atvel
 * 20:38:34: Atvelonis: Sure. Happening soon, I assume
 * 20:39:41: Sakaratte: Next few weeks.
 * 20:40:11: Atvelonis: Gotcha
 * 20:40:15: Sakaratte: When do you need to know by?
 * 20:40:16: KINMUNE: Hello there, The cheese lord of nirn!
 * 20:41:00: Atvelonis: Depends when you're doing it
 * 20:41:14: Atvelonis: But to be safe a week would probably be enough
 * 20:41:19: Sakaratte: I'm goign to aim for 2 weeks today
 * 20:41:51: Jr seriel: Wait, we are closing discord, or KINMUNE?
 * 20:42:03: Atvelonis: No just the FO Wiki Chat
 * 20:42:03: Sakaratte: Not TES related Jr
 * 20:42:07: Jr seriel: got it
 * 20:42:32: Sakaratte: If we go with 2 weeks, I have time to decorate and get the ok from the other admins on the date
 * 20:43:28: Atvelonis: Ok. So if thats all settled, do we have any other topics?
 * 20:43:37: Atvelonis: jauffre didn't show up, neither did Abdus
 * 20:43:43: The cheese lord of nirn: wow, I missed the moot
 * 20:43:54: The cheese lord of nirn: oh well, family more important
 * 20:44:05: The Crusader of Truth: I have an announcement still
 * 20:44:11: Atvelonis: Ah go ahead then
 * 20:44:18: KINMUNE: Hello there, Kora Stormblade!
 * 20:44:23: Kora Stormblade: oh lots of people
 * 20:44:40: The Crusader of Truth: Want to ping everyone so I can get attention to this so sorry in advance and hi kora o/
 * 20:44:41: Atvelonis: Hi kora
 * 20:44:50: Qahnaarin1997: Hey Kora
 * 20:44:53: Sakaratte: o/
 * 20:44:53: Kora Stormblade: Im sorry I missed moot, I was working with friends on a history fair project
 * 20:44:54: The cheese lord of nirn: hi kora
 * 20:44:54: Kora Stormblade: hi
 * 20:45:14: Ordinator076: Does jauffre know the moot start at 9 European time? We live in the same county and time has gone back by 1 hour so he might show up.
 * 20:45:24: Qahnaarin1997: I was at work. So I missed moot as well. :P
 * 20:45:31: The Crusader of Truth: @Everyone Between last week and this week a lot more Daggerfall content has been added to the wiki, and anyone who wants to help out with anything Daggerfall related can feel free to help out. Anything is welcome.
 * 20:45:34: Ordinator076: we could wait 15 minutes.
 * 20:45:36: The cheese lord of nirn: speaking of time change, we change tonight at 2am
 * 20:45:37: Sakaratte: I showed up and its not my mood
 * 20:45:40: Kora Stormblade: Wait is it about to happen or did it already happen?
 * 20:45:40: Sakaratte: moot*
 * 20:45:55: Kora Stormblade: o.
 * 20:45:59: Rozty: welcome back
 * 20:46:03: Atvelonis: We're coming to an end about now. Though it wouldn't hurt to wait for Jauffre perhaps
 * 20:46:10: The Crusader of Truth: To say that again since it got shot up pretty quick: Between last week and this week a lot more Daggerfall content has been added to the wiki, and anyone who wants to help out with anything Daggerfall related can feel free to help out. Anything is welcome.
 * 20:46:10: Atvelonis: he might not know that it started already
 * 20:46:20: Kora Stormblade: what did I miss if you wouldnt mind me asking?
 * 20:46:47: The Crusader of Truth: We voted to add hidden categories to stuff and FO removed their chat and is doing a thing for celebrating it in twoish weeks
 * 20:47:09: The cheese lord of nirn: why did FO remove their chat
 * 20:47:12: Kora Stormblade: we arent removing our chat like they did are we?
 * 20:47:27: The Crusader of Truth: No
 * 20:47:28: Sakaratte: Once we made discord offical, chat fell to disreapir
 * 20:47:52: Kora Stormblade: oh ok good
 * 20:47:53: Kora Stormblade: @crus
 * 20:47:56: Atvelonis: An addendum to Crusader's point: the #1 Daggerfall thing we need is quest walkthroughs, last time I checked
 * 20:48:09: Atvelonis: Quests get the most pageviews
 * 20:48:12: The Crusader of Truth: Quest walkthroughs and images
 * 20:48:24: The cheese lord of nirn: I don't have D, or I would
 * 20:48:31: The cheese lord of nirn: DF*
 * 20:48:31: The Crusader of Truth: We need an image of almost half of the stuff on Daggerfall
 * 20:49:00: Atvelonis:
 * 20:49:14: The cheese lord of nirn: there is no way to use imagaes from a phone is there
 * 20:49:37: Atvelonis: No, they neee to be screenshots taken from in-game
 * 20:49:43: The Crusader of Truth: Actually, I take that back, definitely more if you include locations
 * 20:49:46: Atvelonis: so you can't use images from another website
 * 20:49:57: Atvelonis: *need
 * 20:50:42: The Crusader of Truth: And like I said, anything is appreciated. I've been doing weapons for a week and I'm not even halfway done
 * 20:51:04: The cheese lord of nirn: well, once I get internet back, I more than will be helping
 * 20:51:07: Atvelonis: I have a quick topic actually
 * 20:51:50: Atvelonis: If there are no questions about Daggerfall
 * 20:52:00: Atvelonis: ?
 * 20:52:05: Rozty: i'll probably be installing daggerfall in the near future so as long as it doesn't take any wierd program or anything, i may be helping out with that
 * 20:52:22: Sakaratte: I may be able to add bits and pieces too
 * 20:52:22: Atvelonis: Requires DOS or a DOS emulator
 * 20:52:23: The Crusader of Truth: All it takes is DOS, and if you get the right download it comes with it
 * 20:52:26: Atvelonis: such as DOSBox
 * 20:52:37: Atvelonis: which is free, and safe to dl
 * 20:52:48: The Crusader of Truth: I can link a free download now, actually
 * 20:52:58: Rozty: if it's ont too heavy i think i'll be alright
 * 20:53:09: Rozty: not*
 * 20:53:11: Atvelonis: It's nothing crazy
 * 20:53:23: The Crusader of Truth: http://wiwiki.wiwiland.net/index.php?title=Daggerfall_:_DaggerfallSetup_EN the download is 157 MB
 * 20:53:33: Atvelonis: DOS is pretty old. Not too big or demanding on your hardware
 * 20:53:49: Rozty: great, I'll see when i can get to it
 * 20:53:58: The Crusader of Truth: This is the download completely with DOSBox and an automatic launcher, along with a shortcut, by the way
 * 20:54:11: The Crusader of Truth: Starts up with less steps than Skyrim
 * 20:54:16: Poisoned apples: Does Daggerfall need an absolutely amazing PC?
 * 20:54:21: The Crusader of Truth: No
 * 20:54:30: Amulet of Kings: If I remember correctly DOS is the precursor of Windows
 * 20:54:32: Atvelonis: It's from 1996
 * 20:54:34: The Crusader of Truth: Its made in 1997, if you need a perspective
 * 20:54:35: Jr seriel: DOS used to run on 20k chip, so your 3.2GHz will be like 1200x more than enough to run it
 * 20:54:38: The Crusader of Truth: Oh 1996
 * 20:54:40: Atvelonis: Daggefall is yes
 * 20:54:43: The Crusader of Truth: Evenmoreso
 * 20:55:30: The Crusader of Truth: We're talking about a game where gravity only works if you move, like Oblivion except you're not saying a word
 * 20:55:34: The Crusader of Truth: It's amazing how real it is
 * 20:56:02: Rozty: that sounds amazing in a lot of different ways
 * 20:56:28: The Crusader of Truth: Oh and its the last TES game with climbing
 * 20:56:32: The Crusader of Truth: So if nothing else download it for that
 * 20:56:54: The Crusader of Truth: Anyway, I don't think we have any questions, so Atv can say what he wants?
 * 20:57:08: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 20:57:13: The cheese lord of nirn: yes
 * 20:57:26: The Crusader of Truth: Think I got a little carried away sorry lmao
 * 20:57:46: Atvelonis: So in December 2015 we held an official raffle for editors on the wiki
 * 20:58:11: The Crusader of Truth: @Atv http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Block/2600:1700:1FF0:A1C0:D94A:AD10:EC3E:C1D6 pageblanking
 * 20:58:14: Atvelonis: I don't have the link. But it was a thread, probably com. announcements board on the Forums
 * 20:58:18: The Crusader of Truth: Sorry to interrupt
 * 20:58:19: Atvelonis: 2min
 * 20:59:04: Atvelonis: Ok blocked
 * 20:59:44: The Crusader of Truth: Thanks (Y)
 * 20:59:54: Atvelonis: As I was saying, the way it worked on that thread was that users would enter a number between 1–100 and we (administrators) would select one
 * 21:00:01: Atvelonis: randomly
 * 21:00:24: Jr seriel: What is the raffle prize?
 * 21:00:25: Atvelonis: And whoever was closest would get an actual prize of their choice from the Bethesda store
 * 21:00:27: The Cat Master: I vaguely remember that
 * 21:00:40: Atvelonis: iirc Ottoman Hold and Madman97 were tied
 * 21:00:41: Jr seriel: ahh
 * 21:00:52: Rozty: that's cool
 * 21:01:01: Ordinator076: That sounds pretty cool
 * 21:01:16: Atvelonis: I paid for the prizes for that one. I think Otto got ESO and Madman for a shirt, or something. Don't remember
 * 21:01:36: Atvelonis: I have two questions:
 * 21:01:53: Atvelonis: 1) Should we hold another one this year?
 * 21:02:23: The cheese lord of nirn: ur not a paid employee right?
 * 21:02:29: Atvelonis: No
 * 21:02:37: Poisoned apples: Like a Christmas thing?
 * 21:02:39: Atvelonis: Just some random guy in New York
 * 21:02:40: Atvelonis: and yes
 * 21:02:59: Jr seriel: I vote no
 * 21:03:02: Atvelonis: 2) if we do hold another raffle, how should be structure it?
 * 21:03:06: The Crusader of Truth: If anyone would like to read the thread for the last raffle, it's here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:890401
 * 21:03:26: Jr seriel: (-)
 * 21:03:40: The Cat Master: I think we should do it again
 * 21:03:48: Ordinator076: 1) (+)
 * 21:03:58: Rozty: it sounds fun
 * 21:04:00: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:04:01: Qahnaarin1997: Moot still going on?
 * 21:04:05: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
 * 21:04:11: Qahnaarin1997: Oshit
 * 21:04:15: The Crusader of Truth: I think its a great idea, the same way as last time, just are the admin still paying for it?
 * 21:04:16: Atvelonis: Wait
 * 21:04:24: Atvelonis: no vote yet
 * 21:05:00: Atvelonis: @Crus: yes I can pay for it again
 * 21:05:12: Qahnaarin1997: I vote for Chancelor Palpatine to have emergency control of the senate
 * 21:05:20: Jr seriel: lol ^
 * 21:05:27: The Crusader of Truth: (facepalm)
 * 21:05:31: The cheese lord of nirn: ok atv, reading through that post
 * 21:05:40: The cheese lord of nirn: ^how did u do tht crus
 * 21:05:50: The cheese lord of nirn: I recommend some changes
 * 21:05:50: Atvelonis: Somewhat of an issue (?) with the last one was that It had very little to do with the wiki
 * 21:05:53: Qahnaarin1997: But, more seriously, I vote neutral,.
 * 21:06:00: The Crusader of Truth: The holy spirit - Focus on the moot
 * 21:06:06: Jr seriel: Qah no! that is how the federation got it's power, shouldn't you vote against it
 * 21:06:12: Atvelonis: we haven't reached a consensus guys. We can't vote on this yet
 * 21:06:25: Qahnaarin1997: I derailed the topic enough.
 * 21:06:28: Atvelonis: I was thinking that this could be somewhat of an editing-focused contest
 * 21:06:43: Atvelonis: I'm not exactly sure how we would do that
 * 21:06:52: Atvelonis: Which is what I wanted to discuss here
 * 21:07:04: Jr seriel: Whoever has the most edits ever gets the prize
 * 21:07:04: Qahnaarin1997: Atvel, if it was, staff would have to be discluded.
 * 21:07:06: Ordinator076: i think that would be best
 * 21:07:11: Rozty: so we won't be picking at random at all?
 * 21:07:13: Jr seriel: staff included!
 * 21:07:14: The Crusader of Truth: Im not particularly sure if its a good idea
 * 21:07:22: Atvelonis: We could do it by, say, the number of edits made
 * 21:07:30: Atvelonis: bur that would have a bias towards maintenance editors
 * 21:07:32: The Crusader of Truth: Namely because of the same reason badgehunting exists
 * 21:07:38: Qahnaarin1997: Number of edits and quallity of edit
 * 21:07:40: Ordinator076: Is there a way to see how many edits someone did in a period of time?
 * 21:07:43: Amulet of Kings: What about every 100 edits you get a ticket?
 * 21:07:44: Rozty: i don't know if that's a good criteria
 * 21:07:47: Jr seriel: quality o edit is subjective
 * 21:07:54: The Crusader of Truth: People will be doing minor edits for no reason other than getting a prize
 * 21:07:56: The cheese lord of nirn: edittijg i woyldnt agree on, because of the influx of badge hunting
 * 21:08:00: Atvelonis: @amulet something like that,maybe
 * 21:08:09: Atvelonis: that's better than pure edits
 * 21:08:16: Qahnaarin1997: Atvel, I would be for something like that, but staff cannot participate.
 * 21:08:25: Atvelonis: so for a certain number of edits you'd get a ticket
 * 21:08:28: Amulet of Kings: Maybe with bytes instead of edits to avoid miniedits
 * 21:08:35: Qahnaarin1997: Also, edits would have to be done proper, and with good content
 * 21:08:35: The Crusader of Truth: Qah, I agree with you to a level
 * 21:08:37: Atvelonis: ya maybe
 * 21:08:41: Jr seriel: How about you get a ticket per every 100 edits who have in your total edits history, staff included?
 * 21:08:43: Ordinator076: I think it's a great way to introduce some folks to edit
 * 21:08:44: The Crusader of Truth: Staff, but no patrollers or admin
 * 21:08:56: Atvelonis: and the tickets would be picked out of a figurative hat
 * 21:09:02: Qahnaarin1997: Some /d mods do a LOT of lore edits
 * 21:09:04: The cheese lord of nirn: ok, if u do this, most people wont get to 100 edits probably
 * 21:09:04: The Crusader of Truth: Chat moderators and discussions mods should be able to participate
 * 21:09:08: Jr seriel: admins and patrollers are allowed
 * 21:09:08: Rozty: that would be biased jr
 * 21:09:14: The Crusader of Truth: ^
 * 21:09:20: The Crusader of Truth: Maybe we should make a thread on this?
 * 21:09:23: Qahnaarin1997: That is why I think it should be the entire staff
 * 21:09:33: The cheese lord of nirn: qah...
 * 21:09:38: Rozty: i don't see why not
 * 21:09:48: Qahnaarin1997: It wouldn't be fair to the others if a staff memeber won who wasn't disquallified
 * 21:09:58: Rozty: but we have to find a different criteria than just the edits for that
 * 21:10:06: The Crusader of Truth: Everyone has a different opinion for who should be able to do it, and how we can do it
 * 21:10:07: Atvelonis: AOK suggested edit size
 * 21:10:16: Atvelonis: in bytes
 * 21:10:16: The cheese lord of nirn: i don't think admin and crats should be involved
 * 21:10:22: Ordinator076: ^
 * 21:10:23: Atvelonis: which is recorded
 * 21:10:28: Jr seriel: nah you add hidden data that
 * 21:10:34: The Crusader of Truth: but who would add the numbers?
 * 21:10:35: Jr seriel: would skew the bytes count
 * 21:10:38: Atvelonis: So that would be a somewhat objective way to do it
 * 21:10:39: The cheese lord of nirn: maybe they can pitch in and help buy the prizes
 * 21:10:54: Rozty: bytes could work
 * 21:10:55: Atvelonis: well yes Jr, but that's better than edit number
 * 21:11:07: Atvelonis: and there's still an aspect of a raffle to this
 * 21:11:19: The Crusader of Truth: Every 1000 bytes you get a ticket?
 * 21:11:28: Atvelonis: So it's biased towards edit size but in theory that would encourage content addition
 * 21:11:33: Rozty: like your chances are higher with more bytes?
 * 21:11:39: Atvelonis: yes
 * 21:11:48: Atvelonis: perhaps, crus
 * 21:11:57: The cheese lord of nirn: bytes vs total edits.  seems bias to me
 * 21:12:07: Jr seriel: So just upload as many pictures as you can then?
 * 21:12:08: The Crusader of Truth: And patrollers and admin can make sure the edits are scandalous
 * 21:12:13: Atvelonis: What do you mean cheese?
 * 21:12:25: The Crusader of Truth: *aren't lol
 * 21:12:36: Atvelonis: @jr: that could be a way to get a good chance of winning, perhaps
 * 21:12:38: Ordinator076: At least there will be pictures uploaded @Jr
 * 21:12:43: The cheese lord of nirn: someone could mainly do small edits, which is allowed, vs adding in multiple content
 * 21:13:06: Jr seriel: So basically whoever fills in all the daggerfall pages with pictures has the highest chance of winning
 * 21:13:07: Atvelonis: But the small edits add very little in byte size
 * 21:13:16: The cheese lord of nirn: the small edits don't gather much, vs the adding a lot of content
 * 21:13:32: Atvelonis: well that's the point of skewing it to bytes Cheese
 * 21:13:45: Atvelonis: we need content, this could be a way to get a lot more
 * 21:13:58: Rozty: so we're looking for impactful edits
 * 21:14:06: The Crusader of Truth: I've noticed minor edits normally do 3-10 bytes, categories 20-50, and creating skeleton pages 200-400, and regular pages 400-800 bytes
 * 21:14:09: The Crusader of Truth: So thats a start
 * 21:14:11: Atvelonis: @Jr: there are lots of areas people could help out with
 * 21:14:17: Atvelonis: not just DF
 * 21:14:22: Atvelonis: @rozty: yes
 * 21:14:24: The cheese lord of nirn: ok, well, if we do make a thread on this first
 * 21:14:25: Jr seriel: How about you do (total edits per 100 + bytes per 1000)/2
 * 21:14:25: The Crusader of Truth: Yeah I know lmao
 * 21:14:49: The cheese lord of nirn: most of the people we have in the /D play primarily skyrim
 * 21:15:03: Atvelonis: Total edits per 100?
 * 21:15:10: Atvelonis: what do you mean?
 * 21:15:20: The Crusader of Truth: Number of times your edits hit 100
 * 21:15:21: Rozty: yeah, there's not much to add compare to other games for them
 * 21:15:24: Jr seriel: yeah so if you have 10000 edits it would be acost to 10 points
 * 21:15:25: The cheese lord of nirn: so if we made a thread, how could we get them to edit other games
 * 21:15:26: Amulet of Kings: I made a program to choose a winner based on the bytes added
 * 21:15:33: Jr seriel: 100*
 * 21:15:39: Jr seriel: 100* points sorry
 * 21:15:40: The cheese lord of nirn: if i can get my chat to fucking work
 * 21:15:47: Amulet of Kings: print("Amulet of Kings is the winner")
 * 21:15:54: Rozty: hoho
 * 21:16:02: Atvelonis: heh
 * 21:16:04: Rozty: you forgot the ;
 * 21:16:04: The cheese lord of nirn: ok, so suppose we make a thread in the /d
 * 21:16:10: The Crusader of Truth: We could just ask KINMUNE
 * 21:16:13: Starkiller131: Edits are overrated, huge waste of time;) XD
 * 21:16:21: Jr seriel: nah bro it's python you dont need the ";"
 * 21:16:27: Atvelonis: We would not make a decision like this on /d
 * 21:16:30: The cheese lord of nirn: most of the people there play skyrim, as i see with the topics
 * 21:16:33: Rozty: i thought the thread was to be on the forums?
 * 21:16:51: Atvelonis: We could publicize it on there. But the specifics have to be decided here or the forums
 * 21:16:58: The Crusader of Truth: Forums =/= Discussions
 * 21:17:00: The cheese lord of nirn: how could we get them to start making DF, MW, and oblivion edits
 * 21:17:06: Rozty: there are many that i've seen mention playing the other games too
 * 21:17:17: The Crusader of Truth: KINMUNE, who should we just give the prize to? [|]
 * 21:17:19: KINMUNE: Saxon - Crusader
 * 21:17:26: Atvelonis: lol
 * 21:17:26: Ordinator076: Yes but many do not play DF.
 * 21:17:28: Rozty: ehh
 * 21:17:32: The cheese lord of nirn: i know i haven't been active on the /d lately because of work
 * 21:17:38: The Crusader of Truth: The magic conch has spoken
 * 21:17:45: Jr seriel: lol ^
 * 21:17:47: Rozty: there's still plenty to do for the other games as wwell
 * 21:17:59: The Crusader of Truth: This isn't about Daggerfall really though guys
 * 21:18:02: The Crusader of Truth: This is content as a whole
 * 21:18:10: The Crusader of Truth: Just wanted to point that out
 * 21:18:12: Ordinator076: Oblivion/Skyrim is mainly what people play and I'm not an expert with editing but I think most of those articles are done.
 * 21:18:13: The cheese lord of nirn: atv, i move that this motion be passed to next moot where we have a month to decide how to work this
 * 21:18:24: Atvelonis: The existence of the raffle might be enough to encourage people to add content for any game
 * 21:18:25: Rozty: oblivion? definetely not
 * 21:18:31: Poisoned apples: Don't forget ESO
 * 21:18:33: Jr seriel: I still vote for (total edits per 100 + bytes per 1000)/2
 * 21:18:36: Rozty: ^^
 * 21:18:45: The cheese lord of nirn: oblivion has a lot of articles that need work
 * 21:18:57: Rozty: i don't think we need to give that much power to total edits
 * 21:19:13: Jr seriel: how about edits per month or duration of raffle period
 * 21:19:15: Ordinator076: Yeah and Clockwork City is also coming out so that means more edits on ESO while ESO Morrowind is still being done.
 * 21:19:20: The cheese lord of nirn: kora, r u still here?
 * 21:19:28: Kora Stormblade: ?
 * 21:19:30: The Crusader of Truth: Why don't we go ahead and move this to a thread?
 * 21:19:37: Jr seriel: ^^ agree
 * 21:19:44: Atvelonis: That would be a good idea
 * 21:19:52: The cheese lord of nirn: i say we wait a month, get all the bugs worked out, then make a thread
 * 21:19:59: Atvelonis: I can make a thread on this tomorrow
 * 21:20:01: The Crusader of Truth: On a thread we can discuss the details one at a time until we have a general agreement
 * 21:20:08: Ordinator076: But it's a Christmas thing Cheese.
 * 21:20:08: Jr seriel: Alright I will take my leave
 * 21:20:15: The Crusader of Truth: Since we are mooting this, should we vote for doing it?
 * 21:20:15: Atvelonis: so that we can reach a consensus on the Forums
 * 21:20:23: The Crusader of Truth: And work the details out later I mean
 * 21:20:28: Rozty: so we have to decide by the ned of the month
 * 21:20:29: Atvelonis: vote to have a thread on it to discuss the details
 * 21:20:33: Jr seriel: making the thread or doing the raffle?
 * 21:20:42: Atvelonis: thread
 * 21:20:46: The Crusader of Truth: Vote to have a thread
 * 21:20:46: Jr seriel: alright
 * 21:20:48: Rozty: so it can take place during december
 * 21:20:49: Jr seriel: (+)
 * 21:20:51: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:20:53: The cheese lord of nirn: ok, make the thread
 * 21:20:55: Ordinator076: (+)
 * 21:20:59: Rozty: (+)\
 * 21:20:59: The Cat Master: (+)
 * 21:21:00: The cheese lord of nirn: (=)
 * 21:21:04: Jr seriel: wait actually I change my answer (-)
 * 21:21:12: The Crusader of Truth: (=)
 * 21:21:21: Atvelonis: 4-2-1
 * 21:21:25: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 21:21:29: Ordinator076: 5
 * 21:21:33: Atvelonis: 5-2-1
 * 21:21:49: Jr seriel: democracy stinks
 * 21:21:53: Ordinator076: haha
 * 21:22:28: Ordinator076: Better to make a thread on it now so people can prepare for it.
 * 21:22:43: The Crusader of Truth: Tomorrow
 * 21:22:48: The Crusader of Truth: People can prepare their minds today
 * 21:22:49: Atvelonis: Any other votes? Poisoned apples, sakaratte, Renz, Qahn?
 * 21:23:17: Jr seriel: I vote to bring the item poison apples back to skyrim and future TES titles all in favor?
 * 21:23:24: Jr seriel: (+)
 * 21:23:24: Qahnaarin1997: (Neutral)
 * 21:23:26: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 21:23:27: Ordinator076: (+)
 * 21:23:39: Atvelonis: No unofficial votes during the moot
 * 21:23:42: Jr seriel: 3-1-0
 * 21:23:50: Poisoned apples: For the thread
 * 21:23:51: Jr seriel: unofficially
 * 21:24:07: The Crusader of Truth: 7-3-1, if you count the votes that just happened (kappa)
 * 21:24:12: Atvelonis: So 6-3-1
 * 21:24:21: Kora Stormblade: sorry what are we voting on? I apologize Im kind of multitasking
 * 21:24:21: Atvelonis: ordinator already voted
 * 21:24:29: Kora Stormblade: Unless it has to do with /d then I wont vote
 * 21:24:41: The Crusader of Truth: Raffle like last year
 * 21:24:41: Atvelonis: To hold a thread to make a consensus on holding a raffle
 * 21:25:00: The Crusader of Truth: Pretty straightfoward you didnt have to read the discussion m8
 * 21:25:11: Kora Stormblade: Would the thread be on the wiki? And would staff have to help pay for raffle gifts?
 * 21:25:23: The Crusader of Truth: Wiki, and Atv
 * 21:25:35: The cheese lord of nirn: why not cat or flight as well?
 * 21:25:45: Ordinator076: When will the raffle be held? In December the /d exists 2 years correct? Maybe that would be a good time to hold it
 * 21:25:50: Kora Stormblade: I mean if youre ok with paying for stuff atv we can, I dont want to support if you dont want to or arent able to
 * 21:25:57: The Crusader of Truth: Because they have said literally nothing so far Nirn?
 * 21:26:01: Atvelonis: Christmas most likely
 * 21:26:05: The Crusader of Truth: We can't just make people pay for stuff
 * 21:26:27: Atvelonis: and Cat and Flight can help pay if they want but that's not necessary. I can cover it
 * 21:26:30: Jr seriel: All members have to chip in a dollar as a donation, other wise, banned
 * 21:26:38: Ordinator076: ^
 * 21:26:43: The cheese lord of nirn: u and ur big money job!!!
 * 21:26:49: Ordinator076: 1 dollar entering fee
 * 21:26:54: Jr seriel: exactly
 * 21:27:29: Atvelonis: Would be free to enter
 * 21:27:37: Kora Stormblade: Yea then Id be alright with supporting it then
 * 21:27:51: Atvelonis: So 7-3-1 with kora
 * 21:28:17: Kora Stormblade: I dont really see any reason why not and I think we used to do this in the past anyways right?
 * 21:28:22: The Crusader of Truth:  Any more votes?
 * 21:28:43: Jr seriel: is the convene over?
 * 21:28:54: The Crusader of Truth: Considering that pinged everyone, I think that's our final vote
 * 21:29:08: Ordinator076: Im guesing Jauffre isn't coming anymore so I think so
 * 21:29:23: Atvelonis: He's probably not coming
 * 21:29:38: The Crusader of Truth: Im going to send a TP to everyone who didn't come
 * 21:29:43: Atvelonis: Are there any other topics?
 * 21:30:00: The Cat Master: None from me
 * 21:30:14: The cheese lord of nirn: i have none
 * 21:30:21: Ordinator076: Can I suggest one?
 * 21:30:26: Sakaratte: I'm good, I'll talk to you after atvel
 * 21:30:30: Atvelonis: Yes ordinator
 * 21:30:42: Atvelonis: Sure saka
 * 21:31:12: Ordinator076: never mind
 * 21:31:19: Atvelonis: Alright then
 * 21:31:39: Atvelonis: So if there aren't any more topics, moot over.
 * 21:31:51: Ordinator076: 👏🏼
 * 21:32:08: Atvelonis: I'Il include a recap of this in the update tomorro