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@Thedoucheinthenorth All those people you named off used the voice carelessly before said rule had been firmly established. Ulfric however used it after the rule had been established and with complete knowledge that he was misusing the voice. I also think it probably wasn't needed given that it's implied that Ulfric could've just as easily just ran Torygg through with a sword which alone would've established his point, so the shout was not needed in any capacity.

Onto the controversial subject of Ulfric using the shout to kill Torygg. You claim that it's just another form of magic, it's not it happens to be more than that since it's used solely by the dragons, the Dragonborn, and mortals who had to spend years studying it in order to pull it off and is much more powerful than normal magic given that only a select few are capable of wielding it while there is an abundance of "normal" magic users all throughout Tamriel. Think about it if we were in a duel to the death and I knew how to shout and you didn't and I used Unrelenting Force to knock you to the ground and render you helpless one second in then ran you through the second second in or I just used it to knock you off a cliff without any effort on my part, would you think it fair? Probably not. Also someone once made a point that Torygg could've studied with the Greybeards but he chose not to, that's utter BS, you don't choose to study with the Greybeards the Greybeards choose you to study with them.

Also you think that because Ulfric had no idea that Torygg respected him that his killing of Torygg was justified? That makes absolutely no sense. Basically what you're saying is if I went through all that crap the Ulfric did and I was pissed off at an authority figure who also happened to respect me for holding certain views that I would be justified in killing them to make everyone take my views seriously? Where in the hell does that mindset come from?

Next and this going to be rather straightforward and short, not everyone is required to live like the Greybeards, only mortals who know how to shout are and if they don't do that the least they could do is restrain themselves from using the voice for any reason other than the worship of the gods.

To answer your question about the emperor, no he hasn't but for good reason. One when he submitted to the Dominion he had just lost hundreds out of the approximately one thousand men that took back the Imperial City and thousands of more lives over the course of the war as a whole so I highly doubt he had much chance of regaining anymore ground than that. Regarding promising to restore Talos, how much do you think that would piss off the Dominion? I think it's safe to assume that it would anger the Dominion quite a bit and given their tendency to be a-holes it would likely incite yet another conflict before the Empire is ready to stand against it. Next, it wouldn't be the emperor's job to negotiate a peace talk with Ulfric, that would be the responsibility of General Tullius and I think you and I both know that Ulfric is too set in his ways to ever even consider negotiating a peace treaty with the Empire unless the fate of the entire world is at stake as with Season Unending.

Also to you it may seem that the Empire is oppresive, while this may somewhat be the case it wasn't before Ulfric decided to make a huge deal out of it and start a rebellion. If you remember at the start of the game during the conversation on the carriage Lokir said veery clearly "Damn you Stormcloaks, Skyrim was fine until you came along, Empire was nice and lazy." meaning that it's Ulfric's fault for starting the rebellion and forcing the Empire to enforce more strict policies.