The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 December 12

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 * 21:00:00: Kora Stormblade: *runs from cooties*
 * 21:00:02: Kora Stormblade: GAH
 * 21:00:05: Ottoman Hold: Who's moot leader?
 * 21:00:08: Kora Stormblade: Shhhh
 * 21:00:12: Timeoin: .ping .ping .ping
 * 21:00:16: The Crusader of Truth: Kora?
 * 21:00:16: Bronkiin: Kora
 * 21:00:20: Timeoin: lol
 * 21:00:20: Bronkiin: Bitch
 * 21:00:22: Bronkiin: Kora
 * 21:00:22: Kora Stormblade: *holds hands over ears*
 * 21:00:25: Bronkiin: (y)
 * 21:00:25: Timeoin: ccc
 * 21:00:25: The Crusader of Truth: xD
 * 21:00:27: Kora Stormblade: *hums*
 * 21:00:28: Ottoman Hold: Kora is moot leader? :P
 * 21:00:31: Kora Stormblade: SHH
 * 21:00:33: Bronkiin: CCC isn't here
 * 21:00:34: KINMUNE: Hello there, BertH!
 * 21:00:36: The Crusader of Truth: Hi
 * 21:00:37: Kora Stormblade: hello berth o/
 * 21:00:37: Bronkiin: It'll be Atv
 * 21:00:40: BertH: Hello!
 * 21:00:41: Kora Stormblade: aw he left D:
 * 21:00:44: Atvelonis: TIM
 * 21:00:46: Ottoman Hold: CCC said he had to do something
 * 21:00:50: RenzXVI: Hi :D
 * 21:00:51: Kora Stormblade: woah whats with the W in your name
 * 21:00:51: Atvelonis: oh good
 * 21:00:53: Timeoin: ... it kicked me :P
 * 21:00:57: Kora Stormblade: what xD
 * 21:01:04: Timeoin: i said a swear word :P
 * 21:01:12: Kora Stormblade: D:
 * 21:01:18: Timeoin: oooh ... I see a Wikia person here, too
 * 21:01:24: Timeoin: /me waves to BertH :)
 * 21:01:28: Atvelonis: Hello wikia person
 * 21:01:36: The Crusader of Truth: Hello Wikia person. :P
 * 21:01:37: Kora Stormblade: o/
 * 21:01:40: BertH: Hey all! I'm Bert from Community Support
 * 21:01:41: Timeoin: at least, I think its a wikia person
 * 21:01:45: Ottoman Hold: BertH, aka the wikia fly on the wall
 * 21:01:49: ShineCrazy: hello
 * 21:01:50: Ottoman Hold: :P
 * 21:01:54: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 21:01:55: Atvelonis: That's exactly what a robot would say
 * 21:01:59: Timeoin: that or they somehow managed to get a handholding pic next to their name
 * 21:01:59: The Crusader of Truth: Someone must have hacked into Wikia...jk
 * 21:02:03: Timeoin: its a synth
 * 21:02:29: Atvelonis: Tim, if CCC isn't showing up, he told me to mention that discussions thing
 * 21:02:34: The Crusader of Truth: Anyhow, time for the moot?
 * 21:02:45: Atvelonis: yeah, this is the right time
 * 21:02:46: Bronkiin: Oooh
 * 21:02:47: Timeoin: its time
 * 21:02:50: Bronkiin: CCC can't make it
 * 21:02:55: Timeoin: I suggest we knock that one over first :)
 * 21:02:58: Bronkiin: He did say to text him when it starts though
 * 21:03:00: Timeoin: and Atv is moot leader ;)
 * 21:03:07: The Crusader of Truth: "Without further ado, lets begain"
 * 21:03:13: Bronkiin: begain
 * 21:03:17: Atvelonis: mmm
 * 21:03:19: RenzXVI: Begone?
 * 21:03:21: Bronkiin: You spell like Kora
 * 21:03:22: RenzXVI: Ok, byebye guys.
 * 21:03:28: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 21:03:32: Kora Stormblade: hey star o/
 * 21:03:32: Atvelonis: o.
 * 21:03:33: Bronkiin: \o
 * 21:03:45: Kora Stormblade: o/
 * 21:03:47: Bronkiin: Atv, let's start this thing
 * 21:03:47: Ottoman Hold: Last chance everyone, if you want to chat, only use PMs because the moot is starting
 * 21:03:52: Bronkiin: ...
 * 21:03:54: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 21:03:58: Starkiller131: Ohh moot..
 * 21:04:10: Atvelonis: Alright, so only CCC officially signed up for a topic this week, but I'm sure that we have more.
 * 21:04:21: Timeoin: I have one too, but its less important
 * 21:04:21: Bronkiin: k
 * 21:04:28: Atvelonis: We can start with the new Discussions feature that Wikia has asked us about.
 * 21:05:00: Ottoman Hold: aight, who has the floor?
 * 21:05:04: Bronkiin: Atv
 * 21:05:07: Atvelonis: A few days ago, the 'crats received emails asking if we would be interested in having an addition to our Mobile App.
 * 21:05:13: Atvelonis: (yes, we have an app!)
 * 21:05:15: Starkiller131: I gtg cleaning.
 * 21:05:18: Atvelonis: o.
 * 21:06:04: Atvelonis: Hey CCC
 * 21:06:07: Ottoman Hold: wb CCC
 * 21:06:09: Bronkiin: CCC \o
 * 21:06:12: Cheatcodechamp: On mobil
 * 21:06:31: Cheatcodechamp: proceed with the moot
 * 21:06:45: The Crusader of Truth: Gah, connection. Whats the topic?
 * 21:06:53: Atvelonis: Wikia has mentioned in the past that 60%+ of our traffic is from mobile, and a lot of that is from people who are using the app I'm sure, so having a "Discussions" feature - somewhere that fans can discuss TES just like on the desktop forum - will likely boost activity and interest in the wiki.
 * 21:07:07: Bronkiin: Ooh
 * 21:07:17: The Crusader of Truth: ...Wouldnt we need someone to moderate that?
 * 21:07:20: Bronkiin: Discussions is simply a forum for the mobile app, then?
 * 21:07:24: Atvelonis: Yes, bron
 * 21:07:25: Atvelonis: Yes, Fgh
 * 21:07:26: Cheatcodechamp: can you show them the email I screedhoted you?
 * 21:07:30: Atvelonis: Sure, CCC
 * 21:07:43: BertH: I am happy to post some of the text from the email, right now
 * 21:07:46: BertH: If that works better
 * 21:07:53: Atvelonis:

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 * 21:07:55: Atvelonis: nope
 * 21:07:57: Atvelonis: wat
 * 21:08:01: Atvelonis: https://gyazo.com/42fe9a9a25cdd784a8f993cd4ef058f9
 * 21:08:08: Atvelonis: (I was working on a help page, sorry0
 * 21:08:17: The Crusader of Truth: :P
 * 21:08:21: Atvelonis: So that screenshot has the email, if you guys wanna read it
 * 21:08:47: Atvelonis: If we agree to implement this feature, we'll be working with Wikia in the future to be able to moderate the forum
 * 21:09:22: Bronkiin: Looks good.
 * 21:09:27: BertH: Here are the links, so you can see how Discussions looks on desktop, or mobile web, for those of you on smartphones. So what is Discussions?
 * 21:09:51: The Crusader of Truth: Atv, any way you could PM me the text? Isnt loading too well for me with my conenction
 * 21:09:55: Cheatcodechamp: tge concept seems solid, if the other wikis are on board I think we should do it
 * 21:10:04: Timeoin: I agree.
 * 21:10:18: Ottoman Hold: Makes sense
 * 21:10:19: Atvelonis: Bert, you mind PMing Crusader the text of the email?
 * 21:10:25: Atvelonis: And yeah, I like the idea a lot
 * 21:10:28: BertH: I will do that now
 * 21:10:37: Atvelonis: Thanks :)
 * 21:10:41: Cheatcodechamp: tim, can you get the text for crusader, I can't reach it
 * 21:10:46: Timeoin: Mobile editing should be made a lot easier
 * 21:10:49: Timeoin: um, gimme a sec
 * 21:10:55: Cheatcodechamp: or whatever you are all doing.
 * 21:11:45: Cheatcodechamp: test
 * 21:11:49: Timeoin: ... well, I DID do that :P
 * 21:12:13: Timeoin: i pmed him, then he left
 * 21:12:20: Bronkiin: Connection
 * 21:12:22: Atvelonis: Fgh doesn't have the best internet I'm afraid
 * 21:12:26: Atvelonis: He'll be back hopefully
 * 21:12:30: Ottoman Hold: It says forums will be eliminated by 2016
 * 21:12:32: Timeoin: and in greater numbers?
 * 21:12:39: Atvelonis: Well, not eliminated really otto
 * 21:12:48: Atvelonis: They'll be merged with the discussions feature
 * 21:12:51: Atvelonis: So that we won't have 2 forums
 * 21:12:56: BertH: Discussions, when it is more fully evolved, will take over for the current forum feature
 * 21:13:04: Atvelonis: What bert said
 * 21:13:08: BertH: We will migrate all the forum threads to Discussions, so nothing is lost
 * 21:13:21: Timeoin: kinda like what happened with the original forum thread?
 * 21:13:28: Timeoin: *forums
 * 21:13:37: Bronkiin: Discussions seems far more informal than the forums, though.
 * 21:13:43: Timeoin: (the ones that noone here will even remember :P)
 * 21:13:52: BertH: No, the talk page-style forums were simply archived
 * 21:14:01: Atvelonis: We'll be able to moderate it soon, bron
 * 21:14:02: BertH: the current forum content will actually be ported over
 * 21:14:14: Timeoin: ah, okay :)
 * 21:14:20: Timeoin: /me apologises :)
 * 21:14:37: BertH: Admins and moderators can already moderate in Discussions
 * 21:14:43: Atvelonis: Bert, on lots of articles, at the bottom there are "Discussions about ____,"
 * 21:14:44: Atvelonis: e.g. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ulfric_Stormcloak#References
 * 21:14:47: Atvelonis: Will this be affected?
 * 21:14:59: Atvelonis: Just below reference
 * 21:15:01: Atvelonis: 8s
 * 21:15:06: Atvelonis: man I can't type, haha
 * 21:15:23: Ottoman Hold: The posts take up more space than forums
 * 21:15:39: Cheatcodechamp: i am on a phone, and I write fine Atve 😛
 * 21:16:07: KINMUNE: Hello there, Flightmare!
 * 21:16:11: Atvelonis: sup flight o.
 * 21:16:12: Flightmare: hi
 * 21:16:14: BertH: At this time, if you enable Discussions, there would be zero changes on the wiki
 * 21:16:16: Ottoman Hold: Welcome Flight
 * 21:16:27: Flightmare: Oh even Bert is here
 * 21:16:29: Atvelonis: What about when we merge the forum and discussions?
 * 21:16:33: Timeoin: welcome Flight
 * 21:16:34: Flightmare: weekly from now on?
 * 21:16:36: Ottoman Hold: (all five admins!)
 * 21:16:39: Atvelonis: Will those topic categories still work?
 * 21:16:48: BertH: But we will be exploring how to showcase Discussions on wiki pages. Probably in the right rail, but nothing set at this time
 * 21:17:02: Atvelonis: Alright, gotcha
 * 21:17:15: King of the nerds 2: hey
 * 21:17:21: Timeoin: folks ... I bet you lilith will be here shortly
 * 21:17:24: Timeoin: hey King :)
 * 21:17:28: Bronkiin: Ummm
 * 21:17:32: BertH: When the current forum is eventually merged, all aspects of it would be removed in favor of discussions
 * 21:17:48: BertH: But we'd also work with you guys -- as early adopters -- to test things in the interim
 * 21:18:22: Atvelonis: We'll be able to edit the discussions from desktop once it's merged, right?
 * 21:18:23: Cheatcodechamp: And pasted items have worked well, and staff is helpful more often them not
 * 21:18:34: Cheatcodechamp: *Past
 * 21:18:57: Atvelonis: Oh, also, can someone quickly message Dovah, ask him to come on chat
 * 21:19:02: Atvelonis: He is forum mod and all
 * 21:19:15: Cheatcodechamp: and Azura?
 * 21:19:17: Atvelonis: hey zipper
 * 21:19:22: BertH: Discussions has a desktop aspect even now -- so you don't have to use the app to participate and moderate. But they are only really "disoverable" in the app right now
 * 21:19:23: Atvelonis: Azura refuses to come on chat for some reason, dunno why
 * 21:19:38: BertH: *discoverable
 * 21:19:46: Atvelonis: gotcha
 * 21:19:55: BertH: Desktop: fallout.wikia.com/d/f/3035/
 * 21:20:00: BertH: http://fallout.wikia.com/d/f/3035/
 * 21:20:04: Timeoin: I have a question about that, Bert?
 * 21:20:15: BertH: sure
 * 21:20:31: Timeoin: ive just had a look on it - so you upvote threads if you want them appearing higher?
 * 21:20:43: Timeoin: kinda like what reddit does? (not exactly)
 * 21:20:54: BertH: Yes, upvotes affect where a thread sits in the "trending" view
 * 21:21:00: Atvelonis: Are there going to be downvotes too?
 * 21:21:06: Atvelonis: Like reddit?
 * 21:21:20: Atvelonis: wb fgh
 * 21:21:41: The Crusader of Truth: Thanks.
 * 21:21:46: BertH: We're not sure about that. BUT -- the more robust moderation tools we'll be releasing will have options for users to "flag" posts to admins/mods
 * 21:21:53: The Crusader of Truth: What exactly did I miss?
 * 21:22:00: Cheatcodechamp: seem a good concept, I see no real problem with trebeing posts for me.
 * 21:22:01: Bronkiin: More discussion on this.
 * 21:22:14: Timeoin: I did have a question about that, too
 * 21:22:19: Timeoin: like, a followup
 * 21:22:34: Ottoman Hold: I want to ask a question as well
 * 21:22:37: Timeoin: will there we a way to sort topics still? (similar to what the forums do)
 * 21:22:57: Timeoin: i.e. can the moderators/admins move discussions to, say, a morrowind discussion board
 * 21:23:34: BertH: We don't have boards yet, but that will be coming soon in the new year. We'll need that for the eventual migration, of course
 * 21:23:43: BertH: But at this early stage, all the threads are together in one area
 * 21:23:54: Bronkiin: Have any of the current Wiki's using it experienced any problems with it yet?
 * 21:24:05: Timeoin: yeah, i meant long term - was hoping it would be :)
 * 21:24:05: Ottoman Hold: What are the benefits of discussions (that forums do not have)?
 * 21:24:07: ~*LilithRayn*~: You guys are late. I have been waiting here forever
 * 21:24:09: Kora Stormblade: hey lil o/
 * 21:24:10: The Crusader of Truth: Hey Lil. Sounds like something to invest a bit of time in trying
 * 21:24:26: Flightmare: Okay I'm up to date again
 * 21:24:36: Flightmare: Did some speed reading of my logs
 * 21:24:46: The Crusader of Truth: Oh hey, Flight :P
 * 21:25:00: Ottoman Hold: ah, ok
 * 21:25:03: BertH: No problems yet -- and since most of the users are coming from the apps, there's not too much problem with trolls and vandals
 * 21:25:11: Timeoin: Otto - mobile editing :)
 * 21:25:17: BertH: Great question ottomon, about the benefts
 * 21:25:25: BertH: and yes -- mobile is the biggest one right now
 * 21:25:37: The Crusader of Truth: Wait - our mobile app will get editing?
 * 21:25:54: BertH: But other benefits coming soon -- forum-specific search, and moderation tools, like the "flag" option I mentioned
 * 21:26:16: BertH: article editing may come to the apps eventually, but that is not a part of this
 * 21:26:22: Timeoin: please say sub-boards, Bert :P
 * 21:26:28: Atvelonis: yes!
 * 21:26:29: Timeoin: PLEASE :P
 * 21:26:36: Atvelonis: and the editing from the app would be fantastic
 * 21:26:55: Timeoin: I know its an eventual release thing - but sub-boards would be awesome when we migrate
 * 21:27:00: BertH: That's a great piece of feedback -- so not just one level of boards, but sub-boards too?
 * 21:27:05: Timeoin: yes please :)
 * 21:27:08: Flightmare: Yes
 * 21:27:11: The Crusader of Truth: I don't see any reason to oppose this
 * 21:27:12: Atvelonis: That would be really, really awesome
 * 21:27:26: Flightmare: Perhaps even three levels
 * 21:27:30: Cheatcodechamp: Sounds good. I think everything seem worth doing.
 * 21:27:31: Flightmare: I could think of several situations
 * 21:27:34: BertH: Good to know. That's been a common request for the current forum too, and this feature is built to be much more flexible
 * 21:27:42: Timeoin: Exactly :)
 * 21:27:56: Emperor Jarjarkine: wow, every admins is here :O
 * 21:28:01: Timeoin: if its still being built at this stage, it can *hopefully* be easier to add in :)
 * 21:28:01: Emperor Jarjarkine: egè
 * 21:28:07: Timeoin: not EVERY admin
 * 21:28:11: ~*LilithRayn*~: lol
 * 21:28:11: Emperor Jarjarkine: BertH o0
 * 21:28:18: Timeoin: oh wait... no, every admin is :P
 * 21:28:21: Bronkiin: xD
 * 21:28:21: Emperor Jarjarkine: xD
 * 21:28:26: BertH: Hey Jarjarkine!
 * 21:28:26: Cheatcodechamp: yiu missed a lot Jarjarkine
 * 21:28:27: Flightmare: I'll hide Tim :P
 * 21:28:46: Cheatcodechamp: we are discussing discussions
 * 21:28:46: Emperor Jarjarkine: Flight, how are you doing ^^
 * 21:29:12: Cheatcodechamp: im on board with it, are there any other questions?
 * 21:29:32: Flightmare: Doing good, if not counting the dust I am trying to remove from my eye :)
 * 21:29:34: Timeoin: I have an unrelated feedback for you, bert? :)
 * 21:29:41: Timeoin: its related to mobile, but not the app :P
 * 21:29:42: BertH: Sure thing
 * 21:29:56: Timeoin: its is *extremely* difficult to edit pages from my phone :(
 * 21:30:13: Flightmare: Tim, you using Desktop view?
 * 21:30:17: Starkiller131: Same here.
 * 21:30:18: Timeoin: only way to edit is to go to each page, make it view the desktop view :)
 * 21:30:24: The Crusader of Truth: Same here too
 * 21:30:25: BertH: With the mobile editor that was (re)released a few weeks ago? or the full site view?
 * 21:30:30: Flightmare: Or am I practicing dark arts here?
 * 21:30:42: Atvelonis: editing from the mobile skin is impossible
 * 21:30:50: Atvelonis: like, literally impossible, at least last time I tried it
 * 21:30:54: Timeoin: I can edit when doing desktop view (on the mobile) - but that is somewhat tedious and annoying
 * 21:31:00: Atvelonis: you make an edit and click preview and it doesn't let you publish
 * 21:31:08: Timeoin: (and actually impossible when trying to edit something with, say, a delete template)
 * 21:31:09: Flightmare: I have to say I haven't tried editing from the mobile skin in a long time. So I most likely missed any new additions
 * 21:31:27: Cheatcodechamp: Not a blast, mobile is improving, but it's lim
 * 21:31:30: Starkiller131: Not impossible, just really difficult.
 * 21:31:46: BertH: about two weeks ago we add back mobile editing to the mobile skin. It's section editing, you never see the whole page at once
 * 21:31:53: BertH: But it's pretty clean and simple
 * 21:31:53: Starkiller131: And annoying. :p
 * 21:31:57: Cheatcodechamp: keypad and screen size have the most effect I think.
 * 21:32:20: Timeoin: its is clean to view, yeah :)
 * 21:32:41: Timeoin: and, like I said, I cant edit certain pages (I have an example)
 * 21:32:45: Timeoin: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_City:_Redguards <-- that page
 * 21:32:49: BertH: So I would like to be more clear on which mobile editing you mean -- that new one, or using the "full site" editor
 * 21:32:49: Atvelonis: Oh yeah ok they fixed that preview thing
 * 21:32:54: Timeoin: I went to delete that on my mobile yesterday :)
 * 21:33:00: Timeoin: wouldnt let me
 * 21:33:15: Atvelonis: "panda being dumb"
 * 21:33:19: Atvelonis: Shock? lol
 * 21:33:30: Timeoin: yeah, i know - its why I was wanting to delete it :)
 * 21:33:55: BertH: Deleting and other things will still need to be done in the full site view
 * 21:34:06: BertH: You're saying you were unable to?
 * 21:34:07: Timeoin: but yeah, I do a lot of editing on my mobile - if there was an option to just use source mode or something, that would help me personally :)
 * 21:34:21: Timeoin: yeah, it wouldnt let me on mobile - usually I can, but not always :)
 * 21:34:40: BertH: The mobile skin editor is source editing
 * 21:35:05: Atvelonis: Before I forget, are there any more questions regarding the discussions feature?
 * 21:35:13: Bronkiin: Not here.
 * 21:35:14: Cheatcodechamp: should we vote on discussion? I think we should do it.
 * 21:35:14: BertH: The newer mobile skin is still only on article pages, but will be expanded to some other namespaces soon
 * 21:35:33: Timeoin: can I send you a screenshot, berth? :)
 * 21:35:34: Flightmare: There is no preview?
 * 21:35:42: Flightmare: There's only publish for me
 * 21:35:46: Flightmare: on the new mobile thingy
 * 21:36:09: Bronkiin: We should vote on discussions...
 * 21:36:10: BertH: Correct, no preview. That actually ended up being quite a lot of work, so we wanted to get this out and see what the feedback was.
 * 21:36:17: Atvelonis: Ok, quick vote
 * 21:36:31: Timeoin: Oh, I see the skin now :)
 * 21:36:34: Atvelonis: Do we want to implement the discussions feature into our mobile app and eventually the wiki as a whole?
 * 21:36:36: Timeoin: is that for the full article? :)
 * 21:36:37: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:36:42: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 21:36:43: Timeoin: /me apologies to Bert
 * 21:36:46: Timeoin: (support)
 * 21:36:53: Cheatcodechamp: (support)
 * 21:36:58: BertH: @Tim, a bug report via Special:Contact would be best. Feel free to say it should go to me
 * 21:37:02: Flightmare: (support)
 * 21:37:04: The Crusader of Truth: Let's try this connection again :P
 * 21:37:14: The Crusader of Truth: (support)
 * 21:37:15: Ottoman Hold: The look looks weird, but i will still vote (support)
 * 21:37:41: Flightmare: Shall I report bugs directly, Bert?
 * 21:37:51: Cheatcodechamp: looks like we ae good to go
 * 21:38:05: Bronkiin: 7-0-0 I think
 * 21:38:23: The Crusader of Truth: 7 up
 * 21:38:24: Ottoman Hold: ja
 * 21:38:31: Timeoin: As long as we get the sub-boards, this will DEFINITELY help the wiki :)
 * 21:38:44: Atvelonis: Anyone else want to make a vote?
 * 21:38:45: Ottoman Hold: (hint hint)
 * 21:38:49: BertH: @Flightmare, if you feel you've got consistent reproduction steps and all, it's fine to file directly, too. Tag me on it though, or ping me on Slack or something :)
 * 21:39:11: Cheatcodechamp: well Thanks Bert for coming in to help answer our questions
 * 21:39:17: Timeoin: also, it will help the wiki with the mobile editing and stuff :)
 * 21:39:21: The Crusader of Truth: Bert, quick question, if you dont't mind, afore ya go
 * 21:39:23: Timeoin: *mobile discussions :D
 * 21:39:46: BertH: Thanks for being willing to try this out! I do hope that it brings some more folks into the community, people who will edit articles as well
 * 21:39:58: Kora Stormblade: hey qahn o/
 * 21:40:03: Ottoman Hold: Yo Qah
 * 21:40:07: BertH: Happy to stick around for more questions
 * 21:40:09: The Crusader of Truth: A bit back, the TES Wiki app had it's own chat. However, we had to close it down due to a lack of monitering. Anything we could do with that? And hey Qahnaarin1997
 * 21:40:11: Cheatcodechamp: I hope so to, we need some fresh blood
 * 21:40:22: Qahnaarin1997: Hi
 * 21:40:32: BertH: We might enable Discussions as soon as Monday, but I will let you all know by posting in the current forum
 * 21:41:12: BertH: Yes, the mobile chat -- that was a great test and we learned quite a bit
 * 21:41:34: BertH: We still do want a mobile chat solution, ideally not separate from the "desktop" chat
 * 21:41:47: BertH: But have yet to determine the best way forward
 * 21:41:59: Timeoin: IRC ;)
 * 21:42:03: Atvelonis: I dunno just adding a chat feature on mobile
 * 21:42:13: Timeoin: (im joking, btw)
 * 21:42:25: Atvelonis: But like users from mobile would have some sort of indication to the rest of us that they're from mobile, maybe?
 * 21:42:25: The Crusader of Truth: So, just merge the mobile chat with the "regular" chat?
 * 21:42:41: Atvelonis: That would be cool, it would get more people in here talking
 * 21:42:45: Atvelonis: And we'd be able to moderate it
 * 21:42:49: Flightmare: I had plans on making a mobile client myself. BUT NO PROMISES :)
 * 21:42:58: BertH: with mobile chatters, connectivity is the biggest issue
 * 21:43:21: Qahnaarin1997: True, people might be in and out a lot.
 * 21:43:21: BertH: And lack of moderation in a separate chat is a huge issue, as you guys saw
 * 21:43:25: The Crusader of Truth: Flightmare, and his chat run by his evil assistant KINMUNE...
 * 21:43:40: Flightmare: Well the app would simply connect you to this channel
 * 21:43:43: Flightmare: so no separations
 * 21:44:06: Cheatcodechamp: Atve, make sure to write a summary of this moot for the update and send it to me.
 * 21:44:14: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Rim of the Sky!
 * 21:44:18: Kora Stormblade: yoo rim o/
 * 21:44:20: The Crusader of Truth: One issue I saw with -
 * 21:44:22: Qahnaarin1997: Hi.
 * 21:44:23: The Crusader of Truth: Hey Rim
 * 21:44:24: The Rim of the Sky: Oi m8s
 * 21:44:32: Atvelonis: hey rim
 * 21:44:37: Atvelonis: Sure, CCC
 * 21:44:39: The Rim of the Sky: Did the moot end yet?
 * 21:44:44: Kora Stormblade: not yet idt
 * 21:44:54: The Crusader of Truth: - Mobile chat was that there was quite a but of RPGing, something I (think) we don't want in chat as much
 * 21:44:56: Atvelonis: What other topics do we have for today?
 * 21:45:03: Bronkiin: Tim had one?
 * 21:45:05: Timeoin: okay, I have to go - kids are awake
 * 21:45:12: The Rim of the Sky: I have one
 * 21:45:12: The Crusader of Truth: Cya Tim
 * 21:45:15: Atvelonis: Alright, bye tim
 * 21:45:17: Atvelonis: Go ahead Rim
 * 21:45:18: The Rim of the Sky: Bye Tim
 * 21:45:18: Timeoin: nah, it can wait til next week, wasnt a bigge
 * 21:45:20: Timeoin: sorry folks
 * 21:45:26: Bronkiin: \o
 * 21:45:27: The Crusader of Truth: I have one too, Rim can go ahead :P
 * 21:45:30: Flightmare: o/
 * 21:45:40: The Crusader of Truth: Cya Mr. Tim :P
 * 21:45:42: Kora Stormblade: aww bye o.
 * 21:46:02: The Rim of the Sky: Okay
 * 21:46:15: The Rim of the Sky: Should I start?
 * 21:46:19: The Crusader of Truth: hey Civ
 * 21:46:19: Qahnaarin1997: Hi Krista.
 * 21:46:22: Kora Stormblade: omg hey civ o/
 * 21:46:36: Kora Stormblade: I don't see why not xD
 * 21:46:40: The Crusader of Truth: Qah -- PM asap!!
 * 21:46:41: Cheatcodechamp: start rim, you have the floor
 * 21:46:45: The Rim of the Sky: Okay
 * 21:46:47: Qahnaarin1997: Okay.
 * 21:47:01: The Rim of the Sky: My topic for today is fairly short and regards only one page
 * 21:47:09: BertH: I'll head out now. Thanks again! Feel free to message me however you like, if you have questions.
 * 21:47:14: Flightmare: o/
 * 21:47:15: Kora Stormblade: see ya o/
 * 21:47:20: Cheatcodechamp: thanks Bert
 * 21:47:23: Cheatcodechamp: cya
 * 21:47:36: The Rim of the Sky: The article name for Kurog gro-Orsinium
 * 21:47:43: The Crusader of Truth: Cya Bert!!
 * 21:47:59: The Rim of the Sky: As some of you may know
 * 21:47:59: Kora Stormblade: hey star, ralvz o/
 * 21:48:05: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Hey hey hey
 * 21:48:13: The Rim of the Sky: The Orsinium DLC was only recently released
 * 21:48:18: Atvelonis: Alright, see ya Bert
 * 21:48:18: The Rim of the Sky: However
 * 21:48:21: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: It's faaaaaat'jeshka.
 * 21:48:52: The Rim of the Sky: Kurog was mentioned as the King of Wrothgar very early on in development, as early as 2015
 * 21:49:19: The Rim of the Sky: 2013*
 * 21:50:01: The Rim of the Sky: His final version was only made after a certain amount of planning and whatnot
 * 21:50:35: The Rim of the Sky: And in-game he is referred to simply as "King Kurog"
 * 21:51:22: The Rim of the Sky: The name of the article can likely be changed due to all the changes to the character
 * 21:52:06: The Rim of the Sky: (+) for "King Kurog"
 * 21:52:15: Cheatcodechamp: Is he ever mentioned by his full name?
 * 21:52:34: Bronkiin: We don't tend to include titles.
 * 21:52:42: The Rim of the Sky: (-) for "Kurog gro-Orsinium"
 * 21:52:48: Bronkiin: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Aeradan
 * 21:52:50: Cheatcodechamp: but ESO is different
 * 21:52:58: Ottoman Hold: shouldn't it be for (Orsinium)
 * 21:53:06: Ottoman Hold: not -orsinium?
 * 21:53:11: The Rim of the Sky: Queen Ayrenn
 * 21:53:18: Bronkiin: ^
 * 21:53:20: Cheatcodechamp: we have been bending the rules because that are named using their titles
 * 21:53:27: Bronkiin: Was about to post that, actually.
 * 21:53:58: Ottoman Hold: I say we use what the name is in game
 * 21:54:08: Cheatcodechamp: scouts and stuff are stillcalled by their name because its in game
 * 21:54:24: The Rim of the Sky: The name used in game is "King Kurog" btw
 * 21:54:44: Cheatcodechamp: we should use their in game nsme, the one shown the most often if it changes at all
 * 21:54:53: Bronkiin: We should changed the Aeradan blokes name too, then.
 * 21:55:00: Bronkiin: I'll do that at some point.
 * 21:55:18: Ottoman Hold: I agree, and the -Orsinium is not needed
 * 21:55:30: Cheatcodechamp: if anything, we go with option two and use the redirect
 * 21:55:34: Bronkiin: That's his name... OH
 * 21:55:46: The Rim of the Sky: The "gro-Orsinium" part is his official last name
 * 21:56:10: Ottoman Hold: gotchu, athough if it is not used in game, then just mention it in the article
 * 21:56:29: Atvelonis: Leave his old name as a redirect and mention it in the article
 * 21:56:30: Atvelonis: I guess
 * 21:56:43: The Rim of the Sky: "gro" means son of, "gra" means daughter of. Before he made Orsinium, it was "gro-Bagrakh"
 * 21:56:50: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 21:56:55: The Rim of the Sky: So like
 * 21:57:05: The Rim of the Sky: with what Atve is saying
 * 21:57:09: The Crusader of Truth: I guess I'll leave this part to use guys, I'm not good with ESO stuff. But I would have to say (support)
 * 21:57:20: Ottoman Hold: (support) for option one
 * 21:57:28: The Rim of the Sky: what we did with the Chief Bazrag page?
 * 21:57:42: Cheatcodechamp: i support using in game name
 * 21:57:42: Emperor Jarjarkine: Rimy :P
 * 21:57:50: Ottoman Hold: That'll work
 * 21:58:06: Bronkiin: In game name is (+), CCC
 * 21:58:12: The Crusader of Truth: Most users would look it up by the most common name they know it as
 * 21:58:31: The Rim of the Sky: By the way
 * 21:58:47: The Crusader of Truth: I wouldnt type in Bear of Markarth to find Ulfric if I knew Ulfric's name
 * 21:58:49: The Rim of the Sky: If we want to change it to the in-game name of King Kurog
 * 21:59:14: The Rim of the Sky: I made King Kurog as a redirect a while back
 * 21:59:41: Ottoman Hold: It's 4-0-0
 * 21:59:43: The Rim of the Sky: so we'll have to delete that redirect page, then move Kurog gro-Orsinium to that name
 * 21:59:55: Atvelonis: ok
 * 22:00:02: Atvelonis: I can delete it now if you'd like
 * 22:00:03: Cheatcodechamp: Crap, my phone is dying, turns out the moot drains my battery
 * 22:00:22: Atvelonis: Rim?
 * 22:00:26: Cheatcodechamp: i need to go😞
 * 22:00:33: Atvelonis: aw, well see ya CCC
 * 22:00:35: The Rim of the Sky: Is it a (+) from you CCC?
 * 22:00:49: Cheatcodechamp: send me a summary, you all have fun
 * 22:00:52: Cheatcodechamp: yes
 * 22:00:59: Ottoman Hold: Whoopd, that means 5-0-0
 * 22:01:05: The Rim of the Sky: 5-0-0 then I think
 * 22:01:19: YulFusKrad: whats goin on when i almost finished a deathlord
 * 22:01:26: Cheatcodechamp: later, and happy editing
 * 22:01:46: Bronkiin: \o
 * 22:01:55: Ottoman Hold: bya CCC
 * 22:01:56: The Crusader of Truth: Cya CCC
 * 22:02:00: The Rim of the Sky: I guess that settles it
 * 22:02:06: The Rim of the Sky: Bye CCC
 * 22:02:15: The Rim of the Sky: Atve, do your thing
 * 22:02:35: The Rim of the Sky: I think Crusader had a topic
 * 22:02:44: Atvelonis: Fgh, you had a topic you wanted to discuss?
 * 22:02:50: Atvelonis: (Otto, you can go next)
 * 22:02:56: Atvelonis: (I think you had a topic)
 * 22:02:58: The Crusader of Truth: Yeah
 * 22:03:09: Ottoman Hold: (I don't think I had one tho)
 * 22:03:14: The Crusader of Truth: I typed up a wall of text just for the occation :P
 * 22:03:15: Atvelonis: @Rim: I'll delete the redirect, you move the page
 * 22:03:29: The Crusader of Truth: Ok, so my topic is this: A bit back (What, two/three days ago?) Atv metioned that we are going to use for all of the ESO/Orsinium book pages. However, that sounds a little...tedious. I was thinking more around this: why not leave it as it is for now, and if any other game comes out with that same book, make it with the books template. It wouldnt be too hard to modify the {{OnlineBook template in order to make it the same.
 * 22:03:51: Bronkiin: No point in putting it off...
 * 22:04:27: Atvelonis: We've been updating them all, very slowly, for a long time now
 * 22:04:29: The Crusader of Truth: Seems like it'd be a lot of extra work
 * 22:04:38: Atvelonis: Extra work, yeah, but it needs to get done
 * 22:04:46: Bronkiin: So why would we put it off, CoT?
 * 22:05:36: Atvelonis: We can work on it. There are maybe 2000 books to update, which sounds like a lot, but once you get the hang of it it'll go by quickly.
 * 22:05:55: The Crusader of Truth: Damn internet, pardon my French :P
 * 22:06:21: The Crusader of Truth: Ok. I'll go with it, then.
 * 22:06:25: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 22:06:45: Atvelonis: So I had something too... more of a little announcement than a decision though
 * 22:06:50: Bronkiin: kk
 * 22:07:00: Bronkiin: You better not be quitting.
 * 22:07:05: The Crusader of Truth: ^
 * 22:07:11: Atvelonis: I'm pregnant
 * 22:07:15: Atvelonis: jk
 * 22:07:18: Ottoman Hold: Xd
 * 22:07:21: The Crusader of Truth: xD
 * 22:07:50: Kora Stormblade: hey nerd o/
 * 22:07:56: Kora Stormblade: atv who's the father
 * 22:08:05: The Crusader of Truth: xD
 * 22:08:09: King of the nerds 2: Hey I'm back
 * 22:08:10: Kora Stormblade: I didn't sign up for this
 * 22:08:10: The Rim of the Sky: I was thinking we could just modify Template:Books
 * 22:08:13: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 22:08:16: Ottoman Hold: you...are the faher! :P
 * 22:08:24: Atvelonis: Anyway, a few days ago I started a guide to help users get familiarized with editing
 * 22:08:37: The Crusader of Truth: You copycat! That was my idea! :P
 * 22:08:37: Ottoman Hold: ...
 * 22:08:38: YulFusKrad: ?
 * 22:08:48: Atvelonis: xD
 * 22:08:48: FistoF: There has been an awakening... have you felt it?
 * 22:08:54: YulFusKrad: atvelonis is privilaged to copy ideas XD
 * 22:08:55: The Crusader of Truth: User blogs:The Crusader of Truth
 * 22:09:01: Ottoman Hold: (TCoT, look at your user pic)
 * 22:09:01: Atvelonis: It's basically a guide talking about loads of editing things
 * 22:09:04: Kora Stormblade: brb guys o.
 * 22:09:14: Ottoman Hold: ok kora
 * 22:09:20: King of the nerds 2: I finished that project I was bitching about earlier
 * 22:09:36: King of the nerds 2: What are you guys doing anyway?
 * 22:09:37: Bronkiin: Soo, Atv
 * 22:09:38: The Crusader of Truth: * http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Crusader_of_Truth
 * 22:09:43: YulFusKrad: king its the moot
 * 22:09:47: Bronkiin: Do we... vote? xD
 * 22:09:48: Atvelonis: In my guide (which is still in progress), I'm talking about very simple things like links, various types of formatting, templates, blockquotes, et cetera
 * 22:09:56: The Crusader of Truth: (oppose)
 * 22:10:00: Atvelonis: No, I just wanted to mention that it's there
 * 22:10:03: Bronkiin: kk
 * 22:10:08: Atvelonis: So if you wanna get into editing, read it
 * 22:10:11: Bronkiin: That should go in the update
 * 22:10:16: Atvelonis: I find sifting through the help pages very annoying, that's why I made it
 * 22:10:18: Bronkiin: Yeh, I might want to get into editing.
 * 22:10:21: The Crusader of Truth: --Doesn't edit--
 * 22:10:42: Atvelonis: If you guys think there should be something else added to it, let me know
 * 22:10:43: King of the nerds 2: Oh, it's different then last time I was on, I'll just leave
 * 22:10:56: Atvelonis: We're having a moot, nerds
 * 22:10:56: The Crusader of Truth: Hert helped me hack to get this editcount (wink)
 * 22:10:58: The Rim of the Sky: brb
 * 22:11:05: Bronkiin: i'll let you know, Atv.
 * 22:11:11: Bronkiin: Anything else, anyone?
 * 22:11:14: Atvelonis: Any other topics?
 * 22:11:19: The Crusader of Truth: Yeah, me again :P
 * 22:11:22: Atvelonis: Go ahead
 * 22:11:23: Bronkiin: Oh good.
 * 22:11:24: Bronkiin: xd
 * 22:11:37: The Crusader of Truth: Since I brought up books for Online
 * 22:12:01: The Crusader of Truth: Books on Daggerfall, last I checked anyway, don't all use {{Books}} either. Do we want to change that too?
 * 22:12:25: Atvelonis: All books need to use {{Book}}
 * 22:12:26: Atvelonis: all
 * 22:12:28: Atvelonis: We are just lazy
 * 22:12:40: YulFusKrad: the guards at raven rock are idiots
 * 22:12:55: The Crusader of Truth: And one last thing (Yep. Then I'll have 5 more)
 * 22:12:57: Kora Stormblade: They have feelings ya know ):
 * 22:13:00: Atvelonis: Oh, also flight, I dunno how much time you have, but if you do have any time from now until the end of the year would you mind helping update the infobox codes
 * 22:13:03: Flightmare: If you have a very detailed problem reporting of the discussions module you can tell me and I can directly add the issue
 * 22:13:10: Atvelonis: Ok, gotcha
 * 22:13:15: Flightmare: Ah yes I should have replied to that message
 * 22:13:20: Flightmare: but I forgot
 * 22:13:36: YulFusKrad: ;-; im sorry kora
 * 22:13:37: Flightmare: Oh this is about the portable infoboxes?
 * 22:13:41: Flightmare: Also fine
 * 22:13:46: YulFusKrad: they ignorant is that better ;-;
 * 22:13:47: Kora Stormblade: ;--;
 * 22:13:48: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 22:13:50: Kora Stormblade: Yeee
 * 22:14:07: Atvelonis: I was planning on doing them but I don't really have the time to focus on that and ESO and the wiki etc.
 * 22:14:08: The Crusader of Truth: Once again, last I checked, creating new pages, the template for pre-made layouts (layout for new armor, etc) had some uneeeded stuff with it (Unless had Arena books and I never noticed)
 * 22:14:09: YulFusKrad: welp im screwed this time
 * 22:14:18: Kora Stormblade: http://41.media.tumblr.com/c8329b01d2899ddffd109c2bbf034378/tumblr_nrnuiu4zoa1ux4pzmo1_1280.png
 * 22:14:20: Atvelonis: I'm also terrible at templates so I'm thinking that I'd mess something up anyway
 * 22:14:24: YulFusKrad: draugr deathoverlord
 * 22:14:25: Bronkiin: What's the limit for topcs to present?
 * 22:14:33: Atvelonis: like 3 or something
 * 22:14:39: Atvelonis: @Fgh: I have to fix that
 * 22:14:41: Bronkiin: Last one the, Fgh
 * 22:14:43: Bronkiin: *then
 * 22:14:43: Atvelonis: Again, I'm lazy
 * 22:14:44: Bronkiin: xD
 * 22:14:50: The Crusader of Truth: Okie :P
 * 22:15:00: The Crusader of Truth: Presenting
 * 22:15:02: The Crusader of Truth: The, Fgh xD
 * 22:15:06: Bronkiin: Weeell I don't have anything
 * 22:15:11: Atvelonis: Does anyone else have any topics they'd like to discuss?
 * 22:15:37: Atvelonis: No?
 * 22:15:43: Atvelonis: Last call for topics
 * 22:15:43: The Crusader of Truth: Oh, Flightmare, while I see you in chat, I want to pester you -- Ever get around to fixing Template:Incomplete like Atv wanted it?
 * 22:15:57: Flightmare: Well that's what I was about to suggest
 * 22:16:00: Flightmare: we have to discuss that after the moot
 * 22:16:07: Flightmare: as I am not sure I fully understand your visions
 * 22:16:10: Atvelonis: Alright, well I declare this moot to be done