Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-10993011-20130618024431/@comment-8248675-20130920030347

Dovahsebrom wrote: SajuukKhar wrote: A. The Night of tears Theory was debunked by the College of Winterhold questline.

Furthermore, the elves do not reproduce slower then men, they only supposedly kill off large numbers of their own children, but that is suspect at best given the PGE's laughably, and obviously, biased nature, since the Aldmeri dominion were opponents of the empire when it was written.

B. Except they cant. The Empire couldn't use morale to their advantage to cancel out the AD's physical supplies. You are speaking out of bravado, not actual facts.

C. the book also says

"The Aldmeri were unaware that he was no longer in Hammerfell, possibly because the Imperial veterans Decianus had left behind led Lady Arannelya to believe that she still faced an Imperial army."

Hiding an army NEAR an occupied city, which, the text only says near, not how near, and near is a vague word as you can be near something and yet not be close enough to be spotted, especially when they dont even think you would be there, really isn't that hard to do, especially in massively forested highlands.

Hating the jungle =/= the jungle wasn't useful. I can hate my cellphone for one minor thing despite it doing a million things well. Your argument is nothing short of a false equivalence.

D. Not really, a decisive victory is one where the Redguards beat the AD militarily, and don't have to resort to compromises and treaties in order to win. The Redguard's victory was not "decisive" by any meaning of the word.

Furthermore, their victory is lessened by the fact that the AD had largely given up interest in Hammerfell before the first great war even ended, having shifted thier views to Cyrodiil. The situation is more similar to how America just left Vietnam, rather then how the allied forces beat Nazi Germany. A.) did you not see me say that the ORIGINAL theory was that the population was to large. Yes it was debunked but it's not like the original theory wasn't some fake thing. The reason why they said the elves attacked the humans because they reproduced faster was based off the fact that humans actually reproduce faster.

B.) Not even going to argue about this one anymore you obviously don't understand the fact that the empire can gain a large advantage from the AD's lack of morale.

C.) You do realize that the book also says the same thing about the armies at Cheydinhal "General Jonna, took up position near Cheydinhal" I guess that means that Cheydinhal was taken too right.

There is never a mentioning of Chorrol ever being taken by the Dominion, you are assuming way to much.

I'm pretty sure erasing an entire jungle from history is a little bit different than getting a new cellphone, that takes a special kind of loathing, I find it very hard to believe they found the jungle useful at all.

D.) Yah and when America left Vietnam they lost, if you don't believe me look at a map and try and point out South Vietnam for me. I may have used the term decisive victory in the wrong context but the AD definately lost the conflict in Hammerfell. I agree with Dovasobrom, my understanding is that Aldmeri Dominon never got past the Imperial City (They took the city, but were not able to gain anymore foothold). Entire North and North-East wasn't occupied. Yes, Rundil's diary says that he participated in the offensive at Cheyndihal, but we all know that Cheyndihal was never taken by Dominion. There aren't any mentions about Chorol and Bruma being taken over or not, so I believe it safe to assume that they were not. Especially since Titus Mede II gathered his troops for all out offensive at Bruma. By then, General Jonna got to Cheyndihal from Skyrim and another general with his army was near Chorol, from Hammerfell. Those three cities were from where Titus Mede pushed back down with three armies at Imperial City and decimated entire contingent of Aldmeri Dominion in Cyrodil.

I do believe also that one reason USA left Vietnam, was because they were loosing the war there as well as back home. There was a lot of pressure on the government to end the war and it was getting harder and harder to fight against guerilla warfare. North Vietnamise were entering Saigon, the capital of Sought Vietnam at the same time as American helicopters were taking off. Many South Vietnamies tried comming with Americans, but there was not enough room for all. Basically USA had to leave behind the allies they were fighting for all this time. And indeed, the war was lost as there is only one Vietnam now and it is flying a Viet Kong flag. At least in Korea, they were able to come to a stalemate at the end, or more like came to an agreement that there would still be two Koreas, North and South.