Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-24098614-20150903093108/@comment-198.45.178.170-20170803011413

Bluesonic1 wrote:

Cheatcodechamp wrote:

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Peace is always better than violence, all I will say. Up until a point, peace is ALMOST always the best option, but at some point, you need to stand up and go into an offensive position. And this is exactly how wars start :) There's a beautiful quote I keep close to me that sums it up far better than I ever could: "Whatever reason might make it sound right, murder is not justice. If you kill just because you can't forgive, wars will never end. Let's have the hearts to forgive. That's what kindness is, isn't it? Kindness will definitely get to them. That's going to change the future."

@Ifnsman: The Blades will never betray the Dragonborn, all the lore indicates this quite clearly. You're their biggest and most important weapon and asset- you are the only one who can fulfil their genocidal goals after all (the only person on the entire planet even). It doesn't make sense to destroy such an asset, especially knowing that said asset is strong enough to take down dragons of all things.... would you really try battle something stronger than you that you know you have little chance of beating, or would you rather sway them to work for you instead? Perhaps if a day finally comes when they feel that for whatever reason all Dov have been completely eliminated and that race is extinct, maybe then they'll abandon the Dragonborn. But considering how intelligent their propaganda, plans and persuasion have been till this point, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to try attack the Dragonborn.

@CCC (the last paragraphs): That is a massive assumption to make, that they ignore your summoned dragons like that. In fact, evidence points to the opposite considering they go hunting random dragons. I agree with Ifnsman in that it was just a gameplay choice. It's like being a mage and still being able to join the Companions despite everyone having a go at you for using magic. Or not being a mage and still being able to join the College. Remember that even Tiber Septim's dragon, and the dragons he swore to protect, were eventually hunted down too.

In terms of the war discussion, you're comparing apples and oranges here. The Blades are an army faction- the Greybeards are a religious faction. It would be like complaining that Christians today don't do enough to fight in the wars against ISIS. Why would they? They're just religious folk, it was never their intention to fight. Their choice to "see the world end" is a religious one, not a 'giving up the fight/war' one. You have to keep in mind that Alduin is borderline a God to them; would you fight your God if your God told you that the world needed to be wiped clean? (Kinda relates to the Noah and the Ark story actually.) Also:

The Blades are better for the war because they are the ones hunting down a way to stop the dragons You will condemn the actions of an entire race because of one individual? Because of the actions of one dragon, the genocidal goals of the Blades are justified? The Blades are literally the Nazis of Tamriel- something that is often little understood because people forget that dragons in TES universe are a race. You have to remember that lore-wise, after you defeat Alduin, dragons aren't supposed to attack you anymore because you are their "overlord" (Thuri) now- obviously Bethesda couldn't add that into the gameplay as far too many people enjoy the dragon hunting, again just a gameplay choice here. I actually had a similar conversation with Madman over this topic and realised that the dragons are one of the least violent races out of all ones we currently know. They at least bow to and respect those that prove themselves stronger, as opposed to going away and building up an even bigger army and resuming a new war. Take a look and count how many wars all the other races have engaged in, and then look at how many the Dov were engaged in (keeping in mind that technically, this current war is simply a continuation of the previous Dragon Wars due to Alduin's displacement).

p.s. Having 2 extra people are not going to help you overthrow the Thalmor. That's more of a civil war discussion, with Imperial armies vs Stormcloak armies. After what the Thalmor did to them, the Blades are a joke right now in terms of facing an army that took down th

Ok wiping out all dragons is crazy, because with pathurnaxx's help the dragons could do so many great things for the world, but do you at least agree the Thalmor are like stalin (stalin killed more people, so keep in mind Thalmor+ worse)?