Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-9062114-20150428153757/@comment-9062114-20150508181058

Mister Serpent wrote: Zippertrain85 wrote: This is not a thread of which people debate if Lore is or is not Canon, this is simply a discussion about people's personal opinions about lore.We all probably have lore in the TES canon that we just can't stand, either it be something MK wrote up or maybe something established by Bethesda in one of the games, I know I certainly have my fair share of them, so I was wondering if any of the community does as well.

First off, the whole Volkihar lore with Serana & Harkon. By far one of the lamest things Bethesda has written in lore has been this mess of a Dawnguard backstory, regardless of how much of it is true or not I still don't care for how it was written. My issues start with their age, no matter how old Serana is I've never cared for the idea that she was 4000+ years old! It is just far too much time for the Volkihar to have been wondering around in my opinion, it just makes every one else in comparison seem insignificant. Like, no matter how "old" they would want to portray something in Elder Scrolls canon if it's not older than Harkon's family it just doesn't look like much. Now I get some things can be really "ancient" to add to their "coolness", but why did it have to be the Dawnguard Vampires, no offense to people who like them but they really are some of the least serious and goofy bad guys in TES lore. In my opinion of course

Second, the theory of the Thalmor and the Towers. I'm not denying this is canon, I'm just saying the theory it's self annoys me. I mean I always thought the Thalmor were just these group of dictators who were separate from the whole Mundus creation lore. Clearly this is not the case according to MK's ideas, but I still didn't care for it, because I feel like so many organizations in Tamriel are "trying to destroy existence" that it gets old after like the fifth one at the same time, and the Thalmor used to in my opinion represent an original concept in TES Universe. A purely political organization built of controlling the continent as opposed to destroying Mundus or Nirn. OP, do you actually know what TES series are about? About schism between Man and Mer (that's why we'll never see Elsweyr of Black Marsh in main TES series). Personally, I have no idea where you saw "many organisations trying to destroy existence" in Tamriel history. Thalmor, unlike Mythic Down, have every right to destroy existence, couse they were fooled by Devil Lorkhan to be dragged out from local Nirvana named Aetherius and be clad in puty mortal shells.

Also, even if Kirkbride doesn't officially work for Bethesda, they obviously continue to use his lore. Appearance of Thalmor in Skyrim and Pelinal Whitestrake in Oblivion indicating this. Remember, Kirkbride-haters: without his creativity TES would be just another generic fantasy shit.

Well, I actually have a theory on this. In a very convaluted way, it could be Mehunes Dagon (he is the only one noted to have tried to prevent this in the past while he was a leaper demon king). There is however, possible evidence of this found in Oblivion. While doing the main quest, Mankar Camoran is seen wearing the Amulet of Kings both on Nirn and in one of Dagon's realms of Oblivion. Since the Amulet of Kings can only be worn by Dragonborn, it is very possible and likely that Mankar was in fact on of the Dragonborn. Given this evidence, Dagon may somehow have the ability to create/summon new Dragonborn, although I have no idea how he would do this.

Come on. Camoran achieved Prolix (analogue of CHIM) and could become everything he wanted. For example, before Prolix he wasn't alDmer, he was just mere bosmer. The TES series is about a Roleplaying adventure in a made up continent, the Man and Mer "schism" is just ONE part of the huge lore. I would prefer you do not talk down to me on stuff you are no more knowledgable on than anyone else here. No one can say for sure what the TES series is about, despite our leaps and bounds in lore knowledge, there's still a ton we do not know

That is a completely irrelevant point, you admit how the writers have used this "take over Tamriel" motivation time and time again, regardless of how it can be justified in lore it is still overused in my opinion, and that is my point.

Did you not read the big letters at the top of the post? This is not a debate over Mcihael Kirkbride's lore and it's Canonicity in the TES verse. I specifically said I didn't deny (most) Michael Kirkbride's writing and that I just didn't like that specific one