Board Thread:Skyrim/@comment-12599067-20130928060857/@comment-13446185-20131003235313

Lord Hadron wrote: Oh then let's talk about Ulfric doing the same thing Tiber Septim did, about 20 years ago.

The Bear of Markarth

"You are either with us, or against us. Those were the words that Ulfric spoke as he ordered the deaths of men ,women and children. Torturing women to give up information about Reachmen living in the hills".

This is what Ulfric does to the Reachmen's kingdom that vies for independence and peace.

It doesn't matter who set foot in the Reach first. It really doesn't, because we all know who was there first. Whoever set foot in thre Reach does not give them solid claim of the land, but whoever rules over the Reach, THAT'S who the Reach belongs to. First of all The Bear of Markarth is probably the most biased book in the entirety of Skyrim and was obviously made to slander Ulfric.

"no surprise that he would demand to be allowed to worship Talos freely before the Legion could enter. With chaos running through the streets of Markarth and the reports of deaths rising every day, the Empire had no choice but to grant Ulfric and his men their worship" 

Funny thing, Jarl Igmund literally tells you that it was him and his father that allowed the worship of Talos and they did so before the Reach was liberated as that was the whole reason they were able to build a Nord militia in the first place.

Just look at the Author of the book and how heavily he supports the empire, it's obviously Imperial Propaganda.

Oh then let's talk about Ulfric doing the same thing Tiber Septim did, about 20 years ago.

If you are still trying to say that Tiber committed some type of atrocity against the Reachmen then you're freaking unbelievable.

but whoever rules over the Reach, THAT'S who the Reach belongs to

The Reach belongs to De jure Skyrim meaning the High King can declare war on it whenever especially if it ever breaks away.

If you think the Forsworn taking over Markarth during the Great War makes them the rulers of the Reach then you are sadly mistaken, they are merely occupiers. The Forsworn seized the Reach in an unlawful manner and took the land from the actual ruler. The fact that they acted like the victims after the Nords reclaimed the Reach is despicable and extremely pathetic.