Talk:Vignar Gray-Mane

About the 360/PS3 'Bug'
It's not really a bug, what happens is if you kill someone without being noticed (or actually do any notable crime 500+ without being caught) then only the Jarl is immedietly informed.

Your current Active Bounty is not affected, not listed. The Jarl (Vignar Gray-Mane) would attack the player and his Court Wizard, Steward and that Stormcloak warrior upstairs in Dragonsreach will attack alongside the Jarl (out of trust, not crime). As the Jarl is involved in combat (without a reason) the Guards do not take a side and infact comment "Oh look a fight" or "This should be good" as if it were a brawl. This is just because they have no idea there is a side of 'justice' since it's, to them, a Jarl vs (No Bounty)Player.

To prove my point, gain the 'bug' by silently killing someone in Whiterun. Cast Pacify on the hostile Jarl. The only people still hostile will be the other mentioned people in Dragonsreach (Farengar and Steward...) go outside to Whiterun, preferabbly in the Market square and the guards will eliminate the 2 people. Permanently killing them through finishing moves.