User blog comment:Harold Burned-Mane/The Truth about Ulfric Stormcloak/@comment-173.189.226.24-20130915092257/@comment-17114085-20130915225547

I don't care for peoples opinions,if they are based on facts. If they are not it bugs me, also it makes that person ignorant and close minded, but i digress. So now that i have something to work with (your "evidence") lets begin

This is what Alvor says, direct quotes from in-game:

"People are rightly stirred up about the damn Thalmor being allowed to roam around arresting people, just for worshipping Talos." "When the Emperor was forced by the Thalmor to outlaw Talos worship. We didn't pay much attention to it when I was a boy - everyone still had their little shrine to Talos. But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down. Dragging people off in the middle of the night... one of the main causes of this war, if you ask me."

As you can see the Thalmor were kidnapping people in the middle of the night, and arresting them as well, way before Ulfric's rebelion began as those were reasons for it to begin, therefore happend before (proof me and Zipper were right about the ban). Ulfric got pissed this was happening and started "agitating about it", he says WE, as in him and his family or his village, didn't pay much attention. This means they were still worshiping talos yes but the Thalmor were inforcing it, by kidnapping and arrests. Therefore your so called evidence just fell apart.

The Forsworn a faction of Reachmen terrorist extremists, reachmen are BRETONS by the way( fun fact: a nord-breton hybrid would still be considered a breton because bretons are really nord-altmer hybrids, so the thing your suggesting is they are nord-nord-altmer hybrids o.0). The Reach has been Nord lands since Tiber Septim conquered it for the Nords during the founding of his Empire, therefore reachmen haven't owned land there since the founding 3rd Empire nearly 1000 years ago, Bretons living in the Reach are not reachmen, only the specific tribe of bretons that USED to own the Reach are reachmen( just so you know). The only reachmen living in Markarth are forsworn here they are: Donnel, Dryston, Morven, Nana Ildene, Nepos the Nose, Tynan, Uaile. These are the ONLY bretons in Markarth that are Reachmen the others are not, for example Muiri is a breton but not a Reachmen. All those npcs listed above are a few of the only talkable Reachmen in the game (the others are in Cidna Mine, nameless npcs could or could not be forsworn that is debatable) all of them are Forsworn and some commit murder in the city. "Ainethach is a Breton miner and the owner of Karthwasten and its two mines", Ainethach is a BRETON not a REACHMEN those are two diferent things, if you find evidence that he is in fact a reachmen let me know otherwise it has nothing to do with this debate.

As you have judged me its only fair that i judge you, i think your lack of an actual account in the Wiki is wierd as it seems you are very active in it, it only takes a few minutes to make an account and you don't have to share any personal info in the wiki. Also it appears you don't know that much lore as so far you have no backing to any of your claims. What people say seems to bother you alot especially my end message, weird you getting all up into people's business like that. All in all you don't seem like a bad person, but you have bugged me and i will not stand idely by as you insult me.

Talos guide you-Harold Burned-Mane