The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 November 14


 * 21:23:31: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, Atve has the floor
 * 21:23:42: Atvelonis: star damnit
 * 21:23:43: Bronkiin: What
 * 21:23:49: Bronkiin: omg
 * 21:23:56: Bronkiin: (facepalm)
 * 21:24:01: Kora Stormblade: Fucking hell xD
 * 21:24:05: Atvelonis: well I typed it out in advance so I'm just going to paste it here I guess
 * 21:24:13: Bronkiin: Hey!
 * 21:24:14: Atvelonis: yes
 * 21:24:16: Flightmare: looks like it :)
 * 21:24:18: Bronkiin: Yep
 * 21:24:35: Atvelonis: Firstly I think it would be a good idea to add a basic time requirement for patroller; you would have to have been actively contributing to the mainspace for a period of roughly six months to qualify. This would ensure that future patrollers would have enough knowledge of our policies and editing in general to do the job of a patroller flawlessly.
 * 21:25:01: Bronkiin: We're short on active staff atm.
 * 21:25:27: Atvelonis: Well what do you think of the idea?
 * 21:25:45: Bronkiin: In principle... possibly.
 * 21:25:48: RenzXVI: I agree,
 * 21:25:50: Cheatcodechamp: As long as we state exceptions can be made on this, im ok with it
 * 21:25:52: Flightmare: What about experience outside of this wiki?
 * 21:25:54: Bronkiin: But it's still relatively vague.
 * 21:26:13: Bronkiin: With exceptions, it becomes a guideline. As it already is.
 * 21:26:48: Atvelonis: @Flight: All wikis have their own guidelines so I think mostly it should still apply to them, maybe lessened slightly.
 * 21:26:58: Atvelonis: That's where the exceptions thing comes in
 * 21:27:11: Flightmare: I don't think guidelines differ all that much
 * 21:27:46: Flightmare: Over half of them are common sense things that most wikis have in place
 * 21:27:56: Atvelonis: Enough that you need to actually take the time to read up on a wiki's guidelines instead of going with the idea that they'll be like your main wiki's
 * 21:28:07: Atvelonis: Not just guidelines but formatting and stuff too
 * 21:28:14: Flightmare: Reading them takes months?
 * 21:28:19: Bronkiin: It's difficult to codify common sense.
 * 21:28:24: Bronkiin: As we found with chat rules
 * 21:28:30: Flightmare: I understand your point, but some people might be quite fast at adopting
 * 21:28:48: RenzXVI: IMO, policies should be detailed.
 * 21:28:59: Bronkiin: But we need flexibility.
 * 21:29:06: RenzXVI: I am active on several wikis and I sometimes get confused with the slight differences.
 * 21:29:14: Atvelonis: We have a LOT of policies. While it might take an hour or less to read them all, it takes a lot longer to memorize them.
 * 21:29:24: Atvelonis: Memorize or at least have a solid understanding of them
 * 21:29:41: Bronkiin: Not 6 months.#
 * 21:29:50: Atvelonis: hey time
 * 21:30:00: RenzXVI: Hi :D
 * 21:30:04: Atvelonis: It really depends on the person. Some people take longer to adjust than others.
 * 21:30:12: Atvelonis: Again, that's the exceptions thing
 * 21:30:18: Atvelonis: We could of course change the time
 * 21:30:28: Atvelonis: Three months, four, five, etc.
 * 21:30:29: Flightmare: I think exceptions are very bad
 * 21:30:30: Bronkiin: The point is, it will always depend on the person...
 * 21:31:01: RenzXVI: I'd say at least 3 months straught of being active.
 * 21:31:02: Bronkiin: A judgement should be made not depending on whether they meet the time requirements, but whether they are competent enough.
 * 21:31:21: Flightmare: 3 would do just fine I tink
 * 21:31:22: Flightmare: think
 * 21:31:31: Atvelonis: 3, ok
 * 21:31:33: KINMUNE: Hello there, GatzIsBack!
 * 21:31:36: Flightmare: combined with number of edits
 * 21:31:40: Atvelonis: hey gatz
 * 21:31:40: Cheatcodechamp: If we are going to have to make exceptions, its not really a rule, we would have to bend it a lot, and I fear this could be abused.
 * 21:31:43: Flightmare: can't just linger around for a few months :)
 * 21:32:03: RenzXVI: At least 3 months of being active then?
 * 21:32:09: Flightmare: making exceptions would become the standard :)
 * 21:32:09: Atvelonis: 3 months actively editing the mainspace
 * 21:32:17: Bronkiin: Is it not fine as it is?
 * 21:32:27: Atvelonis: right now you can become a patroller at any time
 * 21:32:35: Atvelonis: you can join and apply for patroller as long as you have 500 edits
 * 21:32:39: Bronkiin: If they're not ready, the vote will show that.
 * 21:32:56: Atvelonis: fine, then why should we have any requirements at all?
 * 21:33:12: RenzXVI: O_o
 * 21:33:17: Bronkiin: The reqirements are that of competency.
 * 21:33:33: Bronkiin: That's judged better by people than time.
 * 21:34:50: Cheatcodechamp: So whats the verdict?
 * 21:34:56: RenzXVI: (+)
 * 21:35:05: Atvelonis: 3 months I like
 * 21:35:11: Kora Stormblade: ^^
 * 21:35:28: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:35:29: Kora Stormblade: Hope I didn't miss much lol
 * 21:35:30: Bronkiin: (=)
 * 21:35:33: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so all in favor of a three month editing minimum, with some leeway possible?
 * 21:35:42: Cheatcodechamp: 2-1-0
 * 21:35:45: RenzXVI: (+)
 * 21:35:48: Kora Stormblade: Three months active editing to become patroller etc right?
 * 21:35:50: Bronkiin: Three months is a good compromise.
 * 21:35:56: Atvelonis: hey slayer
 * 21:35:57: Flightmare: (+)
 * 21:36:01: Kora Stormblade: Ay, then I go (support)
 * 21:36:05: SlayerOfTheBad: Hey, people greet me!
 * 21:36:08: SlayerOfTheBad: Why, again?
 * 21:36:09: Kora Stormblade: Sounds reasonable
 * 21:36:14: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 21:36:19: Atvelonis: 4-1-0?
 * 21:36:21: Cheatcodechamp: 4-1-0
 * 21:36:25: Atvelonis: CCC what about you?
 * 21:36:30: Atvelonis: Or you gold?
 * 21:36:32: Cheatcodechamp: Sure, (+)
 * 21:36:32: SlayerOfTheBad: Why are people greeting me?
 * 21:36:41: Atvelonis: why not slayer?
 * 21:36:41: Kora Stormblade: Cause you joined?
 * 21:36:44: Cheatcodechamp: We can ignore you if you wish?
 * 21:36:51: SlayerOfTheBad: Did I?
 * 21:36:52: Kora Stormblade: (yes)
 * 21:36:57: Kora Stormblade: Yeah you joined?
 * 21:37:07: Atvelonis: 5-1-0
 * 21:37:08: Kora Stormblade: Huh...weird xD
 * 21:37:19: RenzXVI: You joined and left at the same time on both here and the Terraria chat.
 * 21:37:22: Kora Stormblade: Why are you neutral, bron?
 * 21:37:31: SlayerOfTheBad: Ahhh, then I know the problem.
 * 21:37:31: Atvelonis: I have another similar thing too
 * 21:37:32: Bronkiin: Because it's not necessary.
 * 21:37:43: SlayerOfTheBad: My browser crashed, must've logged me off for a moment. xD
 * 21:37:43: Bronkiin: If they;re not up to the job, they won't get it anyway.
 * 21:37:45: Flightmare: you had a minute of downtime
 * 21:37:55: Bronkiin: But 3 months is small enough to not make much difference.
 * 21:38:10: Kora Stormblade: hmm
 * 21:38:16: Bronkiin: Just because anyone can apply, doesn't mean anyone can become patroller.
 * 21:38:17: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, seeing as that is the only item, I have one thing to say, and we can handle some maintenance if we wish.
 * 21:38:22: Atvelonis: I have something else
 * 21:38:27: Bronkiin: kk
 * 21:38:32: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, go ahead
 * 21:38:35: Atvelonis: Well my second proposal is that to become an administrator, a user should have to have been in another staff position for some period of time (three months?). This gives them a chance to adjust to the position they currently hold and it would also prevent somewhat rushed votes from occurring (as has happened a few times in the past).
 * 21:38:42: Atvelonis: Right now it's an unspoken rule that you have to already be in the staff before being admin, because the jobs of administrators have a lot of overlap with these positions; I'm just asking if we want to make it an actual requirement.
 * 21:38:49: Flightmare: Lot of past patrollers were per invite
 * 21:38:51: Flightmare: it worked
 * 21:38:58: Bronkiin: Have there been rushed votes for admin before?
 * 21:39:04: Cheatcodechamp: rare
 * 21:39:05: Atvelonis: Somewhat
 * 21:39:11: Atvelonis: I thought my vote was rather premature
 * 21:39:15: Bronkiin: There have for chat mods (fin), but I thought it was harder for admins.
 * 21:39:20: Kora Stormblade: Yeah I heard there was one or two rushed ones in the past
 * 21:39:24: Cheatcodechamp: Mine was kind of rushed
 * 21:39:29: Flightmare: shh
 * 21:39:32: Atvelonis: Well, I'd also like to stop it from happening in the future too
 * 21:39:36: Kora Stormblade: sorryyy xD
 * 21:39:39: RenzXVI: I like it.
 * 21:39:40: Bronkiin: I have a slightly different solution,
 * 21:39:47: Kora Stormblade: Shoot. :P
 * 21:39:59: Flightmare: Well blame me, I rushed it :)
 * 21:39:59: Bronkiin: That'd be to give existing admins an effective veto.
 * 21:40:09: Flightmare: But Sajuuk was getting annoying
 * 21:40:10: Bronkiin: If it's rushed, and clearly stupid, the admins can intervene.
 * 21:40:20: Atvelonis: Well we already have a veto
 * 21:40:22: Atvelonis: Problem is
 * 21:40:32: Atvelonis: People are good enough to be admin, but not *quite* yet
 * 21:40:46: Atvelonis: Cancelling a vote would probably discourage them, at least for a while
 * 21:40:51: Bronkiin: A lot of the learning happens when you're in the job anyway.
 * 21:40:55: Bronkiin: I'd assume.
 * 21:41:07: Flightmare: Well I wouldn't like to see some strange bans
 * 21:41:10: Flightmare: because learning
 * 21:41:40: Flightmare: You'd have to see a lot of bad edits to know that is vandalism
 * 21:41:45: Flightmare: and what is a confused editor
 * 21:41:56: Flightmare: page blanking happens a lot without bad intent
 * 21:42:11: Kora Stormblade: Hmm
 * 21:42:30: Bronkiin: You don't need to be a patroller to see that though.
 * 21:42:42: Bronkiin: Being a user yourself, you'd know that mistakes happen.
 * 21:42:59: Atvelonis: It's harder to identify a lot of them than one might think
 * 21:43:09: Atvelonis: hey shock
 * 21:43:10: Kora Stormblade: hey panda o/
 * 21:43:13: Shockstorm: hey
 * 21:43:21: Bronkiin: I don't think being an admin equips you entirely for that.
 * 21:43:27: Shockstorm: kora my team is losing by 21 to Texas Tech right now haha
 * 21:43:35: Kora Stormblade: ohh gawd xd
 * 21:43:42: Bronkiin: Being a user yourself, and having experience of making mistakes yourself, actually does quite a lot.
 * 21:43:58: Kora Stormblade: You never know tho they may pick the score back up if there's the time
 * 21:44:12: Shockstorm: eh well they've lost 5 games already, so probly not haha
 * 21:44:20: Bronkiin: And what's more, the system's worked well so far.
 * 21:44:28: Atvelonis: @Bron: true, but
 * 21:44:31: Atvelonis: ugh
 * 21:44:34: Kora Stormblade: Xd
 * 21:44:38: Atvelonis: enter key
 * 21:44:39: Atvelonis: fish
 * 21:44:47: Bronkiin: From what I've heard, this is one of the most effective groups of admins we've had.
 * 21:44:50: Shockstorm: yeah, the system caught that one guy reporting himself to atv :)
 * 21:44:58: Bronkiin: ^
 * 21:45:07: Atvelonis: Yeah bron, and every one of our admins has been a patroller before
 * 21:45:08: Atvelonis: every one
 * 21:45:19: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, I went AFK, do we have a plan for this admin thing?
 * 21:45:27: Bronkiin: True, but that didn;t need codifying, Atv.
 * 21:45:31: Atvelonis: actually
 * 21:45:36: Atvelonis: it was a requirement back then
 * 21:45:43: Atvelonis: the staff nominated you as patroller
 * 21:45:49: Shockstorm: admin thing? you guys tryin to overhaul it and stuff?
 * 21:45:50: Atvelonis: then, you could be nominated for admin
 * 21:45:51: Atvelonis: however
 * 21:46:01: Atvelonis: since we switched to applications that went out the window
 * 21:46:15: Atvelonis: not really shock, just solidifying some stuff
 * 21:46:19: Shockstorm: ah
 * 21:46:44: Bronkiin: It'd be you'd need to have been a patroller before becoming admin.
 * 21:47:08: Flightmare: it is based on the same experience
 * 21:47:16: Flightmare: patroller is a subset of sysop essentially
 * 21:47:39: Bronkiin: I think it's good to keep these things as unwritten rules
 * 21:47:58: Bronkiin: It means that we don't need to worry when making exceptions.
 * 21:48:00: Cheatcodechamp: No, we need to make things clear, no unsaid rules that we assume are known
 * 21:48:11: Bronkiin: They wouldn't be a rule.
 * 21:48:15: Cheatcodechamp: In some way, it needs to be stated how we do things
 * 21:48:23: Bronkiin: It's like a general thing which is often followed.
 * 21:48:29: Atvelonis: you sound like sajuuk lol bron
 * 21:48:30: Cheatcodechamp: If it not a rule we don't say it
 * 21:48:31: Bronkiin: But doesn't have to be.
 * 21:48:31: Atvelonis: "common sense"
 * 21:48:41: Bronkiin: But that's just what an exception is.
 * 21:48:47: Kora Stormblade: omg I hate this lag
 * 21:48:49: Shockstorm: maybe say "exceptions could be made if you're sexy enough", something like that
 * 21:48:52: Cheatcodechamp: but if we go by it, then it needs to be written down as fact of how we operate.
 * 21:49:04: Atvelonis: hold on
 * 21:49:06: Bronkiin: Exceptions are for codifying something which isn't really law.
 * 21:49:16: Atvelonis: "Finally, if the user is lacking in one of the above sections, an exception can be made for a user who has shown any traits, abilities, or actions that prove them fit for the position. It is advised, however, for the user not to assume they are the exception to any of the above rules."
 * 21:49:34: Atvelonis: that's in the admin requirements section
 * 21:49:49: Bronkiin: I like that.
 * 21:50:06: Bronkiin: If the exceptions thing is already codified, then yeh.
 * 21:50:09: Cheatcodechamp: also, it needs to be rare, exceptions should not be an everyday happening.
 * 21:50:12: Atvelonis: yeah
 * 21:50:13: Kora Stormblade: ^
 * 21:50:28: Atvelonis: I want to stress that you shouldn't use that rule as a way to get admin, that's just low
 * 21:50:58: SeniorDiogo: Good afternoon
 * 21:51:06: Kora Stormblade: Good evening o/
 * 21:51:10: SeniorDiogo: yep
 * 21:51:12: Atvelonis: @Bron: statement, whatever
 * 21:51:13: Cheatcodechamp: Tomb was rushed because her skills, I was rushed dispite just coming back from being AWOL because we needed admins, and Atve was rushed despite being newer because we needed another admin who could be trusted.
 * 21:51:29: SeniorDiogo: Still not accostumed
 * 21:51:33: Bronkiin: It can't be abused, though atv
 * 21:51:38: Bronkiin: Because of the votes.
 * 21:51:42: Bronkiin: And admin veto.
 * 21:52:01: Atvelonis: It can still be abused, we just put a stop to it if it is
 * 21:52:02: Atvelonis: Plus
 * 21:52:06: Shockstorm: and because atv has slippery slick scales that allows him to slip through
 * 21:52:07: Atvelonis: We aren't all-seeing gods
 * 21:52:11: Atvelonis: lmao shock
 * 21:52:16: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 21:52:27: Bronkiin: So you think someone could become admin without you noticing? xD
 * 21:52:34: Bronkiin: You don't have to be all seeing.
 * 21:52:35: Flightmare: no
 * 21:52:36: RenzXVI: We need the rules so voting doesn't end up as an "I have lots of friends to vote for me" contest.
 * 21:52:39: Atvelonis: No, but we still do make mistakes when judging people
 * 21:52:43: Shockstorm: cast Invisibility first
 * 21:52:43: Bronkiin: True, ok
 * 21:52:59: Bronkiin: Ok, I can support.
 * 21:53:06: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so lets return to base here. Atve, what are you saying we should do?
 * 21:53:52: Atvelonis: Make it an official requirement that you have to be some kind of staff before being admin
 * 21:54:01: Bronkiin: Any kind of staff?
 * 21:54:03: Bronkiin: Or patroller?
 * 21:54:24: Bronkiin: In terms of experience, probably just patroller, I'd assume.
 * 21:54:53: Atvelonis: I initially said any kind but I'm open to suggestions
 * 21:55:07: Bronkiin: I like the initial idea.
 * 21:55:27: Cheatcodechamp: I am unusre about "any" but I do not see it as a need to aruge
 * 21:55:28: RenzXVI: I'd say Patrollers. I don't think Chat mods or news team qualify.
 * 21:55:34: Kora Stormblade: ^
 * 21:56:12: RenzXVI: Moderators could.
 * 21:56:14: Atvelonis: Well, adminship has a lot to do with talking to people. Communicating. That's why I said any staff. But I see your point.
 * 21:56:18: Bronkiin: Yeh, I don't think Fin qualifies as an admin more than Shock.
 * 21:56:56: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, lets vote on what we have as the main agenda
 * 21:57:00: Shockstorm: yes my eating bamboo and sleeping 18 hours a day qualifies me greatly
 * 21:57:03: Cheatcodechamp: Make it an official requirement that you have to be some kind of staff before being admin-All in favor
 * 21:57:07: Kora Stormblade: Shock (yes)
 * 21:57:09: Atvelonis: wait
 * 21:57:09: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 21:57:12: Bronkiin: Wait
 * 21:57:14: Cheatcodechamp: wait
 * 21:57:18: Cheatcodechamp: Jamit
 * 21:57:19: RenzXVI: Hi
 * 21:57:22: Shockstorm: lol
 * 21:57:23: Atvelonis: wb star
 * 21:57:24: Kora Stormblade: wb star
 * 21:57:26: Kora Stormblade: o/
 * 21:57:27: Bronkiin: I thought we were inclined towards just patrollers.
 * 21:57:37: Bronkiin: We didn't reach a verdict there.
 * 21:57:38: Atvelonis: That's what I'm starting to think
 * 21:57:45: Cheatcodechamp: I am, but I am not in inclined to argue it
 * 21:57:56: Bronkiin: The initial suggestion was patroller.
 * 21:58:00: Bronkiin: I think we should vote on that.
 * 21:58:13: RenzXVI: I'd say Patrollers and Moderators could do. But yeah, Just Patroller makes sense.
 * 21:58:15: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, should it only be pattrolers who become admins?
 * 21:58:21: Starkiller131: Imo you should be a staff member before becoming admin.
 * 21:58:29: Bronkiin: Bit late there Star
 * 21:58:31: Kora Stormblade: That's what were talkin bout star xD
 * 21:58:32: Shockstorm: hehe
 * 21:58:34: Starkiller131: Shh
 * 21:58:35: Bronkiin: @ ccc ye[
 * 21:58:36: Atvelonis: That was the initial idea star but we've narrowed it down to patrollers
 * 21:58:36: Bronkiin: yep
 * 21:58:41: Starkiller131: always am Xd
 * 21:58:41: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:58:43: Atvelonis: vote
 * 21:58:47: RenzXVI: Ok Patrollers (+)
 * 21:58:50: Bronkiin: (y)
 * 21:58:50: Starkiller131: Ah ok.
 * 21:58:55: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 21:58:55: Flightmare: (+)
 * 21:58:58: Shockstorm: (y)
 * 21:59:00: Starkiller131: (Support)
 * 21:59:22: RenzXVI: G0LD3NF1RE
 * 21:59:24: Cheatcodechamp: (+)
 * 22:00:11: Starkiller131:.
 * 22:00:12: Atvelonis: 7-0-0
 * 22:00:28: Starkiller131: All support yay!
 * 22:00:29: Bronkiin: Yep, 7
 * 22:00:41: Atvelonis: kora? diogo? gold?
 * 22:00:55: Kora Stormblade: I'm sorta neutral on it...I dunno xD
 * 22:00:57: Starkiller131: Someone oppose to be an asshole. Xd
 * 22:01:03: Kora Stormblade: Star stfu xD
 * 22:01:13: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, that was for pattrolers only?
 * 22:01:17: Starkiller131: ;( fine
 * 22:01:21: Kora Stormblade: D:
 * 22:01:22: Bronkiin: Yep
 * 22:01:53: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so are we settled on this topic?
 * 22:01:58: Atvelonis: It seems so
 * 22:02:00: Bronkiin: (y)
 * 22:02:11: Starkiller131: You spell that your own special way CCC... :P
 * 22:02:18: Cheatcodechamp: Ok
 * 22:02:32: Cheatcodechamp: So I have an item to cover real fast
 * 22:02:42: Cheatcodechamp: As we are unable to find uses for good unused files, we need to store them. I ask that all of you go to our unused images, and take any ESO image that can be used, and add it to my sandbox in a gallery.  Keep the images small to save space
 * 22:02:53: Starkiller131: hmm
 * 22:02:55: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles?limit=500&offset=0

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Cheatcodechamp/Sandbox
 * 22:03:09: Bronkiin: Are these linked elsewhere as well?
 * 22:03:10: Starkiller131: I don't edit images.... often.
 * 22:03:12: Cheatcodechamp: We can comb them later, or focus on createing articles
 * 22:03:12: RenzXVI: Cool.
 * 22:03:18: Bronkiin: So I can access them whenever.
 * 22:03:29: Cheatcodechamp: But this way we can move them, then purge the rest
 * 22:03:49: Bronkiin: Where else can I find the link, CCC?
 * 22:03:55: Starkiller131: Plus here soonI'll be on less.
 * 22:03:56: Shockstorm: also consider hiding them in collapsible tables in the sandbox
 * 22:03:58: Bronkiin: If I need to do it after the Moot.
 * 22:04:03: Cheatcodechamp: To my box or the images?
 * 22:04:10: Atvelonis: search, bron
 * 22:04:14: Cheatcodechamp: Ill post in in the weekly update
 * 22:04:21: Atvelonis: Special:UnusedFiles
 * 22:04:24: Shockstorm: the images, so your sandbox doesnt take real long to load
 * 22:04:34: Starkiller131: ^
 * 22:04:41: Atvelonis: good idea
 * 22:04:46: Cheatcodechamp: Yes, keep the images smaller, like, thumbnail small
 * 22:05:07: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, with that covered, do we want to do maintenance or call it a day?
 * 22:05:37: Kora Stormblade: oh god star pls xD
 * 22:05:45: Cheatcodechamp: I was thinking we look over a few "articles to be merged" and talk about them
 * 22:06:08: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AArticles_to_be_Merged
 * 22:06:38: Cheatcodechamp: We ok with this?
 * 22:06:46: Atvelonis: I'll work on the images
 * 22:06:50: Atvelonis: sure yeah
 * 22:06:59: Shockstorm: yeah those need to be worked on
 * 22:07:38: RenzXVI: Yeah, they should be merged.
 * 22:07:48: GatzIsBack: I forgot I was even here huh weird
 * 22:08:10: Starkiller131: Welcome back then. :)
 * 22:08:15: Bronkiin: Ok, what shall we start with?
 * 22:08:20: Starkiller131: Or leave.... Damn it
 * 22:08:24: Kora Stormblade: xD
 * 22:09:09: Kora Stormblade: brb o/
 * 22:09:13: Bronkiin:.
 * 22:09:16: Starkiller131: I'm 99 percent sure I'll have a job soon.
 * 22:09:25: Bronkiin: Great!
 * 22:09:25: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, lets handle one or two of these
 * 22:09:32: Bronkiin: Moneey
 * 22:09:36: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Aeri%27s_House
 * 22:09:42: Starkiller131: Hell yeah money Xd
 * 22:09:46: Shockstorm: gratz
 * 22:09:51: Cheatcodechamp: It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Anga's Mill, because: this is a sub-location of Anga's Mill (Discuss)
 * 22:10:13: Shockstorm: well we have a bunch of house pages for Oblivion and Skyrim, among other games. So no to merge
 * 22:10:22: Bronkiin: I'd be inclined to keep them seperate.
 * 22:11:03: Cheatcodechamp: Im opposed to a merge as well, the article could be imporved, but no need to merge the two
 * 22:11:11: Atvelonis: yeah
 * 22:11:16: Kora Stormblade: Yeah I agree on no merging
 * 22:11:28: Flightmare: I have to go, bye people \o
 * 22:11:31: Bronkiin: o/
 * 22:11:35: Shockstorm: see ya
 * 22:11:48: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, next item
 * 22:11:49: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ald_Daedroth,_Antechamber
 * 22:11:55: Cheatcodechamp: It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Ald Daedroth, because: This is a sublocation of Ald Daedroth (Discuss)
 * 22:12:03: RenzXVI: I don't see the point in merging, Anga's Mill is split in three, merging a part but not the others is weird. I don't think the rest needs merging. So yeah, oppose. XD
 * 22:12:35: Bronkiin: All sublocations have there own page there.
 * 22:12:38: Shockstorm: I've noticed a few sublocation articles for Morrowind dungeons. But probably not needed, so I say merge
 * 22:12:43: Kora Stormblade: ^
 * 22:13:00: Bronkiin: That'd wouldn't be the only one to merge then.
 * 22:13:15: Bronkiin: Because of of Ald Daedroth sublocations have artilces.
 * 22:13:16: Cheatcodechamp: We would have to merge all, not impossible or that hard though
 * 22:13:20: Bronkiin: ^
 * 22:13:26: Cheatcodechamp: So all in favor of a merge?
 * 22:13:28: Bronkiin: I'm neutral here, then/
 * 22:13:30: Shockstorm: well yeah. I think those Morrowind pages are unique. While there's only a few Skyrim sublocations
 * 22:13:32: Cheatcodechamp: (+)
 * 22:13:41: RenzXVI: (+)
 * 22:13:44: Kora Stormblade: (neutral)
 * 22:13:47: Bronkiin: (=)
 * 22:13:56: Kora Stormblade: Wait...hmm
 * 22:14:17: Kora Stormblade: I needa think for a sec cause I'm leaning towards support too xD
 * 22:14:26: Bronkiin: I think it passes anyway.