User talk:Kroq-gar78/Archive 2

Re: Image templates
Hey Kroq, thanks... :) Oh, and soon time for an archive ;) EbonySkyrim (talk) 10:34, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Test templates
Yeah, you can name your testing pages/templates to whatever you like as long as your username is part of it. It doesn't necessarily always have to have "Test" in the title. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  21:36, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Dispel
Hi, Thanks for the positive comment! About Dispel: I just took a look at the page and noticed that the article is very Oblivion-oriented (all the links point to Oblivion articles, etc.), and was wondering how I should proceed. Would you suggest creating a Morrowind section, creating a new article, or simply adding Morrowind to Appearances? Thanks, 02:01, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick reply. Both Dispel (Morrowind) and Restore Health (Morrowind) are on my to-do list and will get done within a couple of days. :) 06:30, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

00:38, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm in the process of updating Dispel links at the moment. I'm just not sure what to do about MW ingredient articles because of how the infobox template works. Having "Dispel (Morrowind)" in the infobox doesn't look right, and I don't know how to take care of that. (See Bungler's Bane for an example.)

15:48, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great news for the template, especially if it will fix everything with one change. Nice work! I don't mind doing some of the more tedious things around the wiki, but if you have tricks up your sleeve that will take care of problems in one fell swoop all I can do is applaud. How did you learn about editing templates, by the way? That's one area where I'm clueless. BTW: Regarding your message on Tomb's talk, I can confirm that there are ingredients with less than four effects in Morrowind.


 * Hello again, I was just curious how the template update was coming along, have you had a chance to try it yet? Restore Health ended up being a bigger mess than Dispel was, there were Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim pages all linking to the same Skyrim-oriented article. I glad you noticed the edit that triggered the clean-up. And thanks for pointing out the caps issue the other day, when you make corrections like that I pay attention because I don't want to repeat my mistakes. Where exactly is the info regarding the use of caps? I don't remember seeing it yet, and I'd like to have that reference handy for future use. 03:13, April 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the reply, and no worries about any delays, you have a formidable job as a patroller, the wiki is always busy and you must be too! Just wanted to say thanks for the link to the caps information, I saved a shortcut to it on my desktop. I admire what you're able to do with the templates, I have enough trouble getting wiki tables to work the way I want them to sometimes. LOL Glad to hear that the ingredients update is progressing well, by the way. Good stuff! 04:28, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re: References in "Appearances"
For both of your questions, you should go ahead an create a CT about making possible changes to the Appearances section. Not something me alone could call judgement on.

I am for your idea of adding a reference to where the page in appearance was "Mentioned Only", not just for proof, but, I want to see that line of text in my game with my own eyes! Did you know Blacklight was mentioned in ...oh, wait, no you don't, not yet. :P — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  19:42, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * About #2 on Talk:Uderfrykte Matron, I think you may have been referring to me? I recall saying that the individual color schemes for each game is great (I love that aspect of the wiki!), but they're not useful for the casual reader to identify which game the article is referring to. Colors are ambiguous, blue may indicate Skyrim to us, but the word "Skyrim" is obvious and immediately understood by everyone in a way that a colors could never accomplish. Honestly, I found it a horrible nuisance to scroll down to the bottom of the page for Appearances before I became familiar with the wiki colors.


 * I've grown to appreciate the game name being eliminated from leads, especially in location and character articles, but at the same time I can't help but feel that having that information at the top of the page was a good thing. Unfortunately I don't have any suggestions, other than perhaps adding appearances to infoboxes as I've seen elsewhere. But that is often not an elegant solution, it works OK when there's only a game or two, but it can get ugly real quick. Regards, 00:59, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re: SkyrimIngredients
If it's all done and ready to be used, then go ahead an transfer the content over to the template. I don't know what to do about the "for sec" area. Is it really that important to be listed in the template, how many seconds eating an ingredients causes the effect to last? I guess maybe it could be useful, but OblivionIngredients and MorrowindIngredients don't list the "for sec" property, but then again, it could be something that was added for Skyrim only. I could check in the Oblivion and Morrowind CS if it shows duration of effects when an ingredient is eaten. Which ingredients in Skyrim only has one effect? The Chokeberry ingredient in Oblivion only has one as far as I know, oh, and also the Lichor and Ambrosia. Maybe get Jimeee's opinion on this, because I believe he's the one that added the addition of the "for sec" in the ingredient template. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  17:53, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I just had a look in the Oblivion CS, and there are data fields that show the magnitude and duration of eating an ingredient. But, in the Morrowind CS, there are not data fields for magnitude and duration when an ingredient is eaten. So, if you change the MorrowindIngredient template to the new version, you'll have to omit the "for sec" areas. I know that still doesn't solve the issue of one effect ingredients though. I suppose those will just have to be left blank for now. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  17:30, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Journal
Hi Kroq, looks fine to me. Table's fine... When doing journals for Oblivion I have gone the easy way and copied/pasted from another quest. But as there are so few in Skyrim yet... :) and they are a little different ingame as well. I'll be adding some too when I eventually get back to Skyrim LOL... whenever that happens. EbonySkyrim (talk) 19:46, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Edit
The trivia about the glass in Hearthfire was about not being able to create it from malachite ore or refined malachite in the game. Not in real life.

The part about the "glass" appearance of armor and weapons would be better suited on the Glass armor and weapons page, since this glass in Hearthfire has nothing to do with the formation of glass armor and weapons. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:25, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

RE:IRC
Hey,

Yeah, i was looking for help with a template. I saw one on the walking dead wikia and i have been unable to copy it, i was looking for somebody who could. I still havnt found anybody and the users on the walking dead wikia have never heard of archiving, Tombraiser should never see that site, she would kill them.

As of now im in the middle of three diffrent things and i would be unable to focus on the IRC, but ill catch up with you and talk, i feel i have really slacked on talking with the other users since i started at spartacus.

Thanks and happy editing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 02:29, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Navs
There should probably be a color or style scheme for each of the nav templates. I like how the Skyrim Nav templates look, but I think for each game, they shouldn't all use the same style that Skyrim is using. There's really no set style though, so if you have an idea of ways to improve the template and color/style then sure, why not.

About the questionable username you told me about, yes, the guy's name could be seen as offensive, but as long as no one is complaining about it, I don't think any action needs to be taken. He's only made one post and it wasn't in bad faith. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  02:23, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Fimmion ID
Hi Kroq, thanks for the congrats of 12.000 edits. :) About the ID, yes it should bee with xx I presume as all characters coming with the DLCs have this. But I can have a look to in the CS when I reinstall it. And yes, my game now works fine thanks to Tomb... :) EbonySkyrim (talk) 06:42, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have now checked and it is correct. I also tried Haskill as you had asked about him too before (Kenny), but I think as Shivering Isles is an expansion pack and not a DLC, they start with 00 as all Oblivion characters. When talking about the other plug-ins it is correct with xx first. EbonySkyrim (talk) 20:52, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, I added a short explanation only. I wonder why it is listed under all plug-ins... EbonySkyrim (talk) 20:47, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Caps
Question for you: Are health, fatigue, magicka, and attributes treated the same way as skills when it comes to capitalization? Congrats on MoTM by the way, well-deserved! :) 03:08, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Admin status
Hey Kroq-gar, I sent a message to Timeoin to ask about changing your permissions to admin. I haven't heard back yet, but hopefully soon. We haven't forgotten. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  17:54, May 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Congrats on being the newest admin! I got a response from Tim and viola! :D — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  21:09, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Congrats
Hey Kroq :), congrats to both MOTM and the Admin status... EbonySkyrim (talk) 05:28, May 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Congrats from me to. :) Jimeee (talk) 10:34, May 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both of you ;) Kroq-gar78 (talk) 22:23, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Oblivion Daedric quests
Hi Kroq... yes, I started to do them when doing the main questline. I've done 2, Peryite and Mephala (Quest). I have also been thinking about doing a Daedric quest page but thought about creating one after the next quest. But there are so many quests and other articles that are missing both images and info so the daedric quests have been, well forgotten a bit. Same with some pages I was going to add to Shivering Isles. There are still a few pages I am thinking of there that are missing. And I'm going to "fix" the Oblivion Castles articles... and I said to Eganogard to do a Restore Health for Oblivion.. and I'm also bringing an order to all plug-ins so the articles look similar... So much one want to do.. but I have the construction set now at least so I can check things in there. You go ahead and do the Daedric quest page as I'm thinking of doing a daedric quest in the next few days. Pew.. so much to do :) ;) EbonySkyrim (talk) 22:51, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Kroq, I'm ingame at the moment but I had a look and it is called "Masque of Clavicus Vile" in Oblivion, Spell Breaker also, it's just a mistake made by me when writing the quest. I've fixed that now. I've seen that the Masque article is a mess... haven't had the curage to do anything about it yet... :):) EbonySkyrim (talk) 21:11, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Admin
Congrats on becoming Admin Kroq! 10:19, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

IRC
I had my client set to automatically join the staff channel when I open it. Doesn't matter though; no one even talks in there anymore as far as I know. 03:08, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re: IRC
Those sweetrolls are making me drool! I bought some frosted cinnamon rolls at the bakery the other day, but I'm not sure if I should eat them all or hide a few. ;)

I haven't used IRC in well over a decade. Have you tried the web-based link on the wiki's IRC page? Just wondering if it is any good, or if I should install a client? I see that the password box is greyed-out on the web unless I select NickServ from the authentication list, what's up with that? It's been too long, I barely remember how this works. ;) 17:53, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Stub status
I went through the Lore categories with the bot and did the replacements, but now, I'm going to have to manually go through the remaining 226 pages in the Stub category, because there are far too many pages that I can't sort by using the bot. So, I'll be working on this in a while. But, yay, the list is getting smaller! :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  00:42, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal
202.156.10.248 This kid is on a run can we block him?

Sorry that was me

Kunigonde (talk) 02:47, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Seven Thousand Steps
Really, doesn't the 7000 steps end at High Hrothgar? The page says that it sits atop the 7000 steps, but it doesn't include the Throat of the World as part of the steps. That's how I read it at least. :-\ Wouldn't it be more accurate if it said the Throat of the World sits atop the 7000 steps? Unless I'm over-thinking what you meant. Lol— TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:54, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know whether the wiki is being slow or if it's my internet, but stuff is loading extremely slow for me right now! >_< Anyway, go ahead with your idea of moving the information from the Hrothgar page. You seem to know what you're talking about more than I do on that subject. :P


 * And, I'm going to respond in here about moving the thread you mentioned. Go ahead and move it to General Discussion, since it's not really a topic for voting and it's about wiki related stuff. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  19:06, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Tribunal icon?
Hi Kroq, just got up :) 8 am here... nice article on the masque. The icon, no I don't know where to find one but ask Flightmare, he has uploaded a lot of the icons. Maybe he can find one. EbonySkyrim (talk) 06:05, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal
Not sure exactly how this is supposed to be handled, but I just reverted Hitler-based vandalism by a user named VallmosTHEepic, who just made their account and made only that edit so far. Thought you ought to know.--LeDaea (talk) 15:46, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Moving article to forums
Right now there is no way to move pages to the new forum (board), so you'll have to move it to the old forum, which I like to call the "archive forum". To do that, just select "Forum" from the dropdown list and publish the changes. Then, after that, go to the newly moved page and insert to the top of the page. That inserts it into the Skyrim forum list. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:50, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ingredients Shivering Isles
Hi Kroq, I have looked through the ingredients for SI as Tomb removed the auto-lead from the template. There are a few ingredients that only have one effect but the brackets are still there after removing the effects in the infobox template. Can you fix it? EbonySkyrim (talk) 20:42, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll let you know if there is a problem ;) EbonySkyrim (talk) 06:45, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ingredients
Since someone has already brought it up, I've noticed an odd side-effect (but not necessarily an important one) about the ingredient templates. If you go to an effect disambig and click What Links Here (I'll use Damage Health as an example), it still lists the ingredient articles as linking to the disambig. Personally I don't think it is a big deal, but thought you'd like to know. 22:18, May 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I just tested it on an Oblivion article too, publishing causes it to be removed from the list. It must be related to how Wikia generates the lists, probably changes are made upon publishing articles, instead of the lists being generated on-the-fly when requested. So it seems like it will slowly resolve itself as the articles are edited. :) BTW, are you planning on updating the MW template too? 00:32, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Daedric Quests
Hi, why are you adding the Skyrim categories to Oblivion daedric quests? Just wondering.Wenny0119 (talk) 05:27, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re Daedric Quests nav
Great Kroq, sure I'll add as soon as I make a new one. :) EbonySkyrim (talk) 07:57, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Busted laptop
Hey. My laptop just busted and i dont have long before it dies. Can u tell tomb and one of the admins on spartacus i will b phone next to inactive until i replace it. My phone can only do so much.

Thanks and happy editing Cheatcodechamp (talk) 00:50, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hey there
Wow! You're an admin?! Congratulations! Please pardon my extreme absence. I came here to look up a trivial factoid and ended up editing a few articles. Guess I can't stay away. Now, I don't plan on returning to the large volume of editing I previously performed, but I thought I should stop by and say thank you for remaining dedicated to the wiki! I'm glad to see that there are still people who care for, tend to, and expand this encyclopedia that I worked so hard to write, structure, and administrate. Take care now! :) -- 02:47, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * How much things have changed around here! The forums look amazing now! So, what have you been up to lately around here? Who still edits? Is vandalism still a huge problem? -- 03:09, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Tomb's still around? Then not all is lost. She's probably one of the only persons I would trust with the wiki in my absence. I taught her everything I know! I totally agree that we need to orchestrate a structured list on tasks that need accomplished and when and who should accomplish them. We made several attempts to do that in the past to no avail. In a way, it contradicts the natural flow of wikis -- which are meant to be edited sporadically based on the interest and dedication of the editors. At any rate, I'll edit what I can. Feel free to message my talk page if you need help with finding anything. -- 03:27, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hey There
Thanks for all. If you need any help just tell me.

Hidraslick (talk) 05:08, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Question!
Hey um..how do you get all those nifty things on your profile page? You know, like the 'Fan of Sheogorath' thing? Thanks!

Dovahdude (talk) 18:12, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

skyrim page
Hey, just wondering, on the skyrim page should there be a section on the military of skyrim? Plus their should probably be a section about the nords, and the other provinces section is wrong as tamriel is not a province, neither is daggerfell just saying Wolfishtail (talk) 22:08, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism
User 101.162.43.79 is one some kind of juvenile rampage and is causing plenty of trouble, even going so far as to create an entire page for a fake quest. - Erik the Mad (talk) 04:37, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Untitled
Are you an administrator or like a helper on this wiki? XRainbowniumx (talk) 03:22, June 9, 2013 (UTC)xRainbowniumx

False positive?
Hi, while editting I removed an unneccessary apostrophe and a wrongly used semi-colon, and received a message saying I committed an act of vandalism. Is that considered an act of common vandalism?MassiveScrolls (talk) 05:00, June 10, 2013 (UTC)MassiveScrolls

Re: Online refs
Do we have any pages that actually have a ref listed in the Appearances section? I do agree that people shouldn't start adding Online appearances to other pages until there is proof that they also appear in the game, such as having the Online version of the page already created with refs to back it up (e.g., Ogrim (Online)) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  05:30, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Dialogue
I play xbox too, so I sat and typed it up as I played. The Creation Kit does have an extraction thing that Tombs knows more about that can dump all the info into a text file.

Jimeee (talk) 09:53, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

Game in Lead
Hi Kroq, I asked Jimeee about what to do with this "game in lead" to be or not to be. It is agreed on that it shouldn't be on character articles and it has been removed on some of the templates, but not all. I asked as one member seem to remove it on all articles now and then. There isn't an a agreed standard on which non-character articles it should be removed. He suggested that you, Kenny and Tomb could discuss on a standard as he isn't editing so much at the moment. It would be good I think to try and have a standard on this. :) I'm leaving this message to you all. EbonySkyrim (talk) 17:11, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi again, it would be great if you can look at this thread Tomb started and give your opinion Thread:286548, as I've asked about this topic to try and make a standard. Now I have also seen some adding back "quest name is a quest in (game)" on some quest articles although this also have been removed from the template. As mentioned in the thread there is a confusion on what to actually do. I hope that more regular editors also will add there opinion. EbonySkyrim (talk) 08:49, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reply to UESP info
Woops sorry about that. I will make sure it doesn't happen again.

Daggerfall
I saw you commented on my talk page. I wasn't aware that bethesda explained how to install daggerfall. I would be happy even if that link was shown. I just wanted to show people the easiest way to install daggerfall so the wiki could be expanded.

Appearances
Hey Kroq, about the appearances, I never discussed it with anyone. I saw Egano doing it awhile back so I just did it a little last night while I was bored. Should I stop in the mean-time or continue? Thanks. — AutoBlood  Talk  22:15, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for bringing it up.

— AutoBlood  Talk  22:20, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, Kroq. Yeah, that makes sense. As in for adding it to the Uderfrykte, since its name changes every game. Thanks. — AutoBlood  Talk  13:02, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Harkon and Miraak's mask
Ask Jimeee about the Harkon page, he's the one who worked on much of the content. Though, the interactions section should really just be a summary.

I changed back the IDs on the Miraak mask page. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  17:39, June 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sounds like a good idea to redo the cateogories that way. Sorry for the short response. Busy. :P — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  23:58, June 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * About Harkon. The Prophet section should only detail his interactions on the Vampire side as he has no involvement on the Dawnguard version of the quest. The additional parts are really just to explain how we get to Kindred Judgement. Jimeee (talk) 10:09, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Video
The usage of video media in articles is incredibly controversial. Our currently policy prohibits it for a variety of reasons. At the time, this was the admin consensus on the issue. We have to override the general ambivalence of the community at large due to extreme inter-user conflicts. Essentially, we had tons of editors trying to promote their personal YouTube channels by adding tons of their videos to articles and removing the videos of others. We tried to create our own community-drive channel for videos that would be uploaded to articles, but nobody was interested in doing that. Again, because as we suspected, editors only cared about their own personal channels which gain ad-sense revenue. If the topic were to undergo a vote, I would strongly reject any proposal to permit any type of video in wiki articles that was not extensively critiqued, monitored, and controlled by a group of elected reviewers (not necessarily all admins, but including at least one). At the time, our wiki have millions of page views daily, so it was a gold-mine for advertising. Things have slowed down quite a lot here since. I still think it will become a huge issue that disrupts the natural process of the wiki and will place a heavy burden on the (already too small) administration team. My question is: why is ti so important to add it? We don't really need it per se. Anything that could be illustrated by a video could also be conveyed through text and screenshots. Videos make the pages load slower and don't always work for each user. There's also the obvious copyright problems, and we become liable for anything said by the cinematographer in the videos themselves. -- 04:00, June 22, 2013 (UTC)