Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-17045460-20130609055613/@comment-16047389-20140213144515

69.35.192.185 wrote: I feel that both sides have valid arguments but I have to side with the argument that allows for thought. I feel that it is plausible that the Adoring Fan bacame our beloved Cicero and here's why.

I understand the argument that they are two completely different races and I respect that argument but what hard facts do we have to confirm their races.(This will start to make sense soon.) Say this is the case, lets say the Adoring Fan is in fact a Bosmer, ok, lets say you didn't kill him, ok, now what if somwhere in his 150 yr. life span(as set byAngryEnclaveSoldier previously) he contracts vampirism. 150 yrs is a long time, I would reckon that that is long enough to have some point in your life time where you contract vampirism. Now this explains how he would still be alive at the time in which TES:V takes place and it will explain Cicero's pale skin. Now lets say that the Adoring Fan was in fact part of the Dark Brotherhood, ok, and he is given the contract for the Hero of Kvatch. He attempts the contract but is unable to fulfill this contract due to the strength of the target. Instead of killing this would be assasin, the Hero spares him out of pity. The Adoring Fan returns to the Brotherhood and continues fulfilling contracts. We then come to the part of where Cicero's madness comes into play, at some point he has to kill the jester. The Adoring Fan obsesses over the jester and what if the jester had a name, something like oh I don't know, Cicero. He changes his name to Cicero and falls into his madness. In Cicero's madness and obsession over the jester he decides to change is image to match that of the jester. He hacks at his ears and has his face altered to the best that he was able. He is now fully what we know as Cicero and thats the end of it, right? WRONG! You can't just leave it at that because we have to take into account the journals, the most evidence that can be used to deny my claim is that of the journals. So lets say this, Cicero is now crazy so his brain is that of swiss cheese, And with this cheesy brain of hiw he decides to start writing in a journal, or does he? No he doesn't, Cicero doesn't write in a journal, instead he writes his memoir, a memior for himself so that he doesn't forget everything in his rapidly depleting memory. He begins to write it but because he is crazy he doesn't actually remember things as they actually are, instead he writes them as his subconscios mind wishes they were. He has no recollection of time so thats why the dates don't match up, he now has his alter persona as a jester so he recalls his entire life (that which he can remember) as an imperial and things like the contract for the Champion were fulfilled (because that's how he wanted it to be in his mind). Now you may be asking me why it was written like a journal if  this is a memior, I'll tell you why, Cicero was writing this not as a story or auto-biography of his life but as moments in his life where he could go to one of these books, open it up, choose a page, read it and completely relive this moment of his life.(ever watch The Butterfly Effect?)

This is just one theory, I do have others, some involve the infamous Sheogorath. The "starstruck fan" that Cicero poses as and the adoring fan are two entirely different people, as the events occure well over 180 years apart from eachother. The idea that the Adoring fan hacked his ears and altered his facial appearance to look like Cicero is absurd, as there are no signs of scarring or damage from surgery. But on top of this, he would have also had to grow about 5 inches taller at least, change his whole skeletal system, shrink the pupils of his eyes, and lost his innate Bosmer ability to resist poisons and diseases, as it is very easy to poison Cicero. You're not talking about a simply "cut here, stich there" surgery. The Adoring fan would have had to been reborn entirely for the amount of changes to work.

This theory, while interesting, revolves around things that cannot be proven or are even slightly supported by evidence in any way. Otherwise any theory could hold validity. I'll pitch one right now: Paarthurnax is actually the Gray Fox you met in Oblivion. Never mind that they are different species and about 200 years apart and that there is no real evidence to support it. He probably just used magic or something or underwent the same kind of quality surgery that the Adoring fan apparently did.

Your theory also relies on the idea that a lot of in game content is purposefully inaccurate (i.e. Cicero being sane enough to remember his encounter as the Adoring fan BUT crazy enough to NOT remember the date properly).