Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-3539474-20130910213054/@comment-8248675-20130923022100

Nazul Rostello wrote: Legate Alexandros wrote: Bretons and Orsimer came to that agreement of Orsinium being an oficial Kingdom within High Rock, only when Empire finaly interfeared in 3 era. Before, Bretons felt that Orcs are just encroaching on the land that lawfully belongs to them. Back then Bretons took the proverb, "Find a hill, become the King" literaly, that's why they made so many petty Kingdoms in Illiac Bay. Imagine how many potential hills they tough Orcs were taking away from them. That is why Orsinium was taken down few times before it finally gained an official status within the Empire. For the first siege of Orsinium, Bretons assembled a large army. They not only got Redguards from Hammerfell to help them, but famous blademaster Gaiden Shinji as well. They though that Orsinium will fall quickly, but they were wrong. Hundreds and hundred Bretons and Redguards fell before Orc Beserkers, including Gaiden Shinji himself, before Orsinium finally fell for the first time. I'm pretty sure Skyrim was Orc homeland until the Snow Elves/Nords migrated from their homeland and pushed the Orcs to High Rock. Then Trinimac/Malacath punished them for being weak and they became what they are now, "tribal warriors'"and doesn't trust non-Orcs until you have proven that you can be trusted.

As for the Reachmen, Could it be the ancient Reachmen broke off from the HR Bretons to set up their own kingdom/culture before the Saarthal Nords took control of the whole of Skyrim. The word Orsimer means "Pariah", from my understanding, they never trully had a place to settle and call home, until they finally decided to set up Orsinium, their largest Stronghold ever. Until then, they would set up temporary settlements, but would never stay anywhere for too long. (Perhaps that is why Orcish armor style is so similar to the armor of Nomadic Mongolians.) And when they finally decided to settle their Kingdom of Orsinium, all of the sudden Bretons of High Rock, where they set their kingdom, felt like Orcs are encrouching on their land.

Trinimac was one of the original Aldmeri gods, who participated in killing of Lorkhan. When some of the mer on Summerset Isles (or Aldmeris, if it ever existed) decided to find their own land in the East, Trinimac was against it. So, Daedric Prince Boethia ate him and took his form. Then Boethia told the mer, it's all cool now and they can go to the land that later became known as Morrowind. (Oh and that also was where the heart of Lorkhan, that Trinimac killed landed, maybe one of the reason he was so against it.) Then Boethia went to the bathroom and Trinimac came out, but as the cursed one, named Malacath, who now became one of Daedric Princes. Those who were still devote followers of Trinimac, became cursed too and became the first Orsimer. The mer who went east, became Chimer and later Dunmer. Appearantly Dwemer already were there when their cousins Chimer arrived. Does that makes it more clear of what with Trinimac and Malacath?