The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log August 2018

I suggest to add (Pets) and (Mounts) in articles about pets and mounts respectively as there often exist a non-pet or non-mount variant of them The first one is Various Online Books categories removal Online: Notes and Letters Online: Journals Online: Lorebooks And all the other books are lorebooks too Eidetic Memory = Every other book It is available and called like that even before the questline and Add a category Shalidor's Library for all the in-game-categories Memory: Everything else, thirty subcategories 2) Different books can have different author's signatures Online: Journals Online: Lorebooks Nulfaga ϊ ϋ NPC-NPC > Conversations ? Everything Mankar says
 * 21:12:58: Blademaster Jauffre: Are there any presenters present?
 * 21:13:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we should probably just start
 * 21:13:11: EbonheartAssasin: ya
 * 21:13:36: The Beartooth: Kin is a ravioli, not a he or a she
 * 21:14:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: how dare you assume kin's gender, she identifies as an attack helicopter
 * 21:14:48: Nekyn Alb: Kin is a mining robot and therefore not qualified
 * 21:15:37: EbonheartAssasin: ^^👏👏👏
 * 21:15:58: Amulet of Kings: Well, we should start now
 * 21:16:01: The Beartooth: She is a ravioli helicopter Nissan Micra Ford Escort Tagliatelle Fish
 * 21:16:40: Ordinator076: My phone keeps on turning off
 * 21:16:40: EbonheartAssasin: yes I agree with Amulet of Kings we should start
 * 21:16:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah. who wants to present first?
 * 21:16:56: Amulet of Kings: @Ashley, do you want to handle the moot?
 * 21:17:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: idk how to tbh
 * 21:17:17: Amulet of Kings: Rozty should present her topic first
 * 21:17:35: Amulet of Kings: Since TinyClayMan is missing
 * 21:17:38: Nekyn Alb: Tell people to present their topic and collect the votes
 * 21:17:45: TheBretonMage: Quick question, are we allowed to me comments after a user presents?
 * 21:17:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah sure
 * 21:17:54: The Beartooth: I vote yes
 * 21:18:00: Blademaster Jauffre: Yes
 * 21:18:03: TheBretonMage: To make comments
 * 21:18:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
 * 21:18:07: CatholicPrincess15: ????
 * 21:18:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we debate before we vote
 * 21:18:21: CatholicPrincess15: Me comments?
 * 21:18:24: TheBretonMage: Alright, thanks
 * 21:18:33: TheBretonMage: Sorry, I meant make comments
 * 21:18:37: Blademaster Jauffre: Topic > Comments > Voting
 * 21:18:41: CatholicPrincess15: Thank you.
 * 21:18:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: anyway, Rozty, can you start?
 * 21:18:54: Amulet of Kings: She is away
 * 21:19:05: EbonheartAssasin: Who is the presenter
 * 21:19:10: EbonheartAssasin: oh
 * 21:19:12: Blademaster Jauffre: Rozty's second topic is rather good
 * 21:19:16: Nekyn Alb: Comments should be on-topic of course
 * 21:19:16: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: away can mean she hasn't said anything in a while
 * 21:19:41: Nekyn Alb: I pinged TCM on the Discord server
 * 21:19:41: Blademaster Jauffre: o wait
 * 21:19:49: Blademaster Jauffre: doesn't Finelia also have a topic?
 * 21:20:00: Amulet of Kings: Yes, we could start with her
 * 21:20:10: Amulet of Kings: Assuming she is a she
 * 21:20:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she claims to be a she
 * 21:21:02: TheBretonMage: Assuming she is an Apache attack Helicopter and whatever Beartooth said
 * 21:21:07: CatholicPrincess15: Is Finelia here?
 * 21:21:27: Blademaster Jauffre: It said she joined
 * 21:21:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she is here
 * 21:21:50: Amulet of Kings: @Rozty @Finelia
 * 21:22:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Yeh
 * 21:22:02: Rozty: hmm?
 * 21:22:08: EbonheartAssasin: Yay
 * 21:22:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: can one of you two present your topic?
 * 21:22:21: Nekyn Alb: TCM is coming now
 * 21:22:25: Rozty: can finelia go first>
 * 21:22:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: fin, can you go first?
 * 21:22:37: Rozty: i have to be afk for a bit
 * 21:22:48: Rozty: brb in a few minutes
 * 21:22:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Oki
 * 21:23:13: KINMUNE: Hello there, TinyClayMan!
 * 21:23:15: TinyClayMan: Greetings
 * 21:23:22: Nekyn Alb: o/
 * 21:23:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: greetings
 * 21:23:43: EbonheartAssasin: lets start now
 * 21:24:15: Amulet of Kings: TinyClayMan is here, he was the first to propose a topic
 * 21:24:25: TinyClayMan: Okay
 * 21:24:38: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: So my topic is that we remove the characteristics section from Breton
 * 21:24:39: TinyClayMan: The first one is Pets' and mounts' articles' names' change
 * 21:24:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Oh hi
 * 21:24:44: TinyClayMan: Hello
 * 21:24:48: EbonheartAssasin: but first fishy sticks and sweet rolls all around🎣
 * 21:25:06: Amulet of Kings: Remain civil please, this is a serious thing
 * 21:25:11: Blademaster Jauffre: What order are we doing topics now? I'm confused.
 * 21:25:24: Amulet of Kings: Ashley?
 * 21:25:29: TinyClayMan: Like on the topics list (?)
 * 21:25:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sure
 * 21:25:51: Amulet of Kings: @Finelia, you will have to wait
 * 21:26:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: shal we start with the pets thing?
 * 21:26:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Oki
 * 21:26:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Sure
 * 21:26:42: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Why are you late tiny?
 * 21:26:54: Amulet of Kings: @TinyClayMan go ahead
 * 21:27:40: TinyClayMan: Alright then
 * 21:28:02: KINMUNE: Hello there, Cörey!
 * 21:28:04: TinyClayMan: *On being late: wasn't it previously announced before in Discord server?*
 * 21:28:04: Amulet of Kings: Do you mean renaming the pages?
 * 21:28:09: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 21:28:14: Blademaster Jauffre: In what way?
 * 21:28:33: Nekyn Alb: How is it done atm?
 * 21:28:43: Blademaster Jauffre: No clue
 * 21:28:47: KINMUNE: Hello there, Poisoned apples!
 * 21:29:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what game is this about btw? ESO?
 * 21:29:15: Amulet of Kings: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dwarven_Spider_(Mount) is an example
 * 21:29:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't use Discord
 * 21:29:43: Amulet of Kings: We have a category for mounts:
 * 21:29:43: Amulet of Kings: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Online:_Mounts
 * 21:29:48: TinyClayMan: At this moment some of the articles have the differentiation in their name, and some don't
 * 21:29:56: TinyClayMan: Yes, ESO
 * 21:30:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I think we should rename the pages that do have a creature variant
 * 21:30:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: do those that don't really need the specification? i'd say it's only needed if a non-mount version exists
 * 21:30:48: Blademaster Jauffre: ^
 * 21:31:20: TinyClayMan: It would be acceptable
 * 21:31:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: for example, Horse (Mount) would be longer than necessary
 * 21:31:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Yeh
 * 21:32:11: Amulet of Kings: But pages that have a non-mount version already have the (Mount) part right?
 * 21:32:28: TinyClayMan: *needs to be checked*
 * 21:32:34: Amulet of Kings: Otherwise they wouldn't have their own page
 * 21:33:03: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ned1230!
 * 21:33:04: KINMUNE: Hello there, Spacecase169!
 * 21:33:15: TinyClayMan: Sometimes the non-mount/non-pet version of the creature doesn't have an article about it
 * 21:33:26: Nekyn Alb: So, creatures which exist as pet and mount are the only ones who get that tag on their page. Seems logical to me
 * 21:33:35: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Yeh
 * 21:33:41: Amulet of Kings: I agree
 * 21:33:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i can agree to this too
 * 21:33:47: Blademaster Jauffre: Yeah
 * 21:33:51: CatholicPrincess15: Yes.
 * 21:33:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 21:33:56: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:33:57: Blademaster Jauffre:
 * 21:34:00: Blademaster Jauffre: feck
 * 21:34:00: Ordinator076: :+:
 * 21:34:01: Ned1230: no idea what's going on but
 * 21:34:03: Ned1230: (support)
 * 21:34:03: Blademaster Jauffre: how do I vote
 * 21:34:03: CatholicPrincess15: +
 * 21:34:05: Blademaster Jauffre:
 * 21:34:07: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 21:34:09: Nekyn Alb: ( + )
 * 21:34:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Don't they already do that?
 * 21:34:13: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:34:14: Blademaster Jauffre: (+)
 * 21:34:15: Ordinator076:
 * 21:34:16: Blademaster Jauffre: finally
 * 21:34:17: CatholicPrincess15: How do I get that button thing?
 * 21:34:21: Blademaster Jauffre: ( + )
 * 21:34:26: TinyClayMan: (space+space)
 * 21:34:28: Spacecase169: I do apologize for my intrusion but.... what is this place of magic?
 * 21:34:30: Amulet of Kings: Wait, did anyone have anythings else to say?
 * 21:34:33: Ordinator076: (+)
 * 21:34:37: CatholicPrincess15: ( + )
 * 21:34:39: Ned1230: I see Atv is not here
 * 21:34:44: Ordinator076: sorry it’s been awhile since I joined a moot, lol
 * 21:34:49: Nekyn Alb: 7-0-0
 * 21:34:50: Blademaster Jauffre: without the space for the button @Catholic
 * 21:34:51: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 21:34:54: TheBretonMage: Sorry, my phone lagged out. Is this for the creature mount one?
 * 21:34:55: Ned1230: It's been a long time since I joined a moot
 * 21:34:58: TinyClayMan: *someone should ping him - he has an important moot topic*
 * 21:34:59: Ned1230: A very long time
 * 21:35:02: Nekyn Alb: 8-0-0
 * 21:35:04: Amulet of Kings: @CatholicPrincess15 without the spaces
 * 21:35:06: Nekyn Alb: Hi Ned
 * 21:35:09: Ned1230: hi
 * 21:35:14: CatholicPrincess15: (space+space)
 * 21:35:18: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Next topic plz
 * 21:35:23: Nekyn Alb: '(+) @Catholic
 * 21:35:29: Amulet of Kings: @Spacecase169 this is a moot https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Moot#Presenter
 * 21:35:46: Nekyn Alb: anyway, 9-0-0 for TCM's proposal
 * 21:35:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'll count catholic's vote as a support
 * 21:36:04: Nekyn Alb: Just did that
 * 21:36:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I'm not sure all the votes count tho
 * 21:36:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: with 9-0-0, this resolution has passed
 * 21:36:23: TinyClayMan: Shall I present the next one?
 * 21:36:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah, was just about to ask that
 * 21:36:50: TinyClayMan: The next topic is about ESO books and consists of two parts
 * 21:36:51: Spacecase169: Ok. But what is the purpose. Like what is the end outcome? From what i can ascertain. Your voting on changing information in tes wiki? Os this correct?
 * 21:36:55: Amulet of Kings: This moot is a chaos with so many people by the way
 * 21:36:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Don't you remember? Only wiki regulars are allowed to vote, not /d people
 * 21:37:19: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ^ that's bs i think
 * 21:37:25: Blademaster Jauffre: Never heard that one before ^^
 * 21:37:33: Nekyn Alb: "All TESWikians are invited to attend. Don't hesitate to voice your opinion when asked; every voice counts!"
 * 21:37:34: TinyClayMan: The categories for removal are
 * 21:37:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I have
 * 21:37:38: Amulet of Kings: The wiki page says nothing about it
 * 21:37:39: Ordinator076: Only the elites
 * 21:37:43: TheBretonMage: A wiki regular? Sorry I haven’t been here that long
 * 21:37:48: KINMUNE: Hello there, Dwemer35!
 * 21:37:52: Ordinator076: no /d peasants
 * 21:37:53: Nekyn Alb: Hello
 * 21:37:56: Amulet of Kings: Wait don't speak all at the same time
 * 21:37:58: Blademaster Jauffre: Wait, let TCM explain the topic
 * 21:38:05: Amulet of Kings: Leave TinyClayMan finish
 * 21:38:17: The Beartooth: Sry I have bad internet
 * 21:38:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I remrmber when we agreed on that rule a long time ago in a moot
 * 21:38:33: TheBretonMage: So, I can’t vote?
 * 21:38:41: EbonheartAssasin: And Me?
 * 21:38:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've never heard of this rule, and i don't believe it's in the moot rules
 * 21:38:48: The Beartooth: What rule?
 * 21:38:50: EbonheartAssasin: oh ok
 * 21:39:01: Amulet of Kings: Let's do this, /d users can vote on /d related topics
 * 21:39:05: TheBretonMage: ^^^That /d users can’t vote
 * 21:39:16: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: That non-regulars can't vote
 * 21:39:22: The Beartooth: Haha, I use forum now and again
 * 21:39:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Ask Atve
 * 21:39:36: Ordinator076: wait that’s actually a rule? I thought it was a joke..
 * 21:39:42: The Beartooth: Never heard of that rule anyway
 * 21:39:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Yes it is
 * 21:39:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: /d users kinda are regulars on the wiki
 * 21:39:56: TinyClayMan: The first two categories mentioned above were created before ESO was released and were copied from the Skyrim categories. The third one is not needed as the Eidetic Memory counts all books as lorebooks
 * 21:39:56: Amulet of Kings: @TinyClayMan?
 * 21:40:01: Blademaster Jauffre: Can we give TCM the time to bring out his topic pls?
 * 21:40:05: TinyClayMan: *that's all for the first part*
 * 21:40:18: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't think it was ever written in the moor rules but we did vote on it so it's in the logs
 * 21:40:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: fin, let's drop it
 * 21:40:33: Nekyn Alb: "The Moot is open to participation from all users!" it's right on the Moot page
 * 21:40:34: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Fine
 * 21:40:37: Nekyn Alb: Notes and Letters is a category that exists for every game, so does Journals iirc. Lorebooks is referencing Shalidor's Library, I think? If yes, it should be renamed
 * 21:40:44: Amulet of Kings: What were the categories again?
 * 21:41:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia:
 * 21:41:03: Nekyn Alb: Notes and Letters, Journals, Lorebooks
 * 21:41:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Next topic!
 * 21:41:22: Nekyn Alb: Fin, we're already talking about it ^^
 * 21:41:30: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Oh
 * 21:41:55: Rozty: i'm back
 * 21:41:59: Nekyn Alb: wb
 * 21:42:02: TinyClayMan: There is no definition on what are Notes and Letters/Journals in ESO
 * 21:42:02: Rozty: sorry everyone, where are we now
 * 21:42:15: Nekyn Alb: There isn't in any TES
 * 21:42:18: TinyClayMan: And it has its own categories that help sorting the books
 * 21:42:21: Amulet of Kings: Lorebooks should remain, since they are part of the Mages Guild skill-line
 * 21:42:30: Nekyn Alb: That's true, Clay
 * 21:42:33: Rozty: are we talking about eso notes?
 * 21:42:37: Rozty: and collections>
 * 21:42:39: Amulet of Kings: @Rozty, TinyClayMan's second topic
 * 21:42:39: TinyClayMan: *Second moot topic*
 * 21:42:41: Rozty: ?*
 * 21:43:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm afraid i don't know enough about this subject to have any kind of opinion
 * 21:43:12: TinyClayMan: Every book counts as Lorebook when you read it for the first time
 * 21:43:24: TinyClayMan: (After you complete the Mages Guild questline)
 * 21:43:24: Nekyn Alb: I don't think so
 * 21:43:26: Rozty: every book?
 * 21:43:32: Amulet of Kings: But don't "purple" book s have a special name?
 * 21:43:33: Rozty: oh after mg
 * 21:43:50: Nekyn Alb: They are archived in the Eidetic Memory, the blue books are part of Shalidor's Library
 * 21:43:52: TinyClayMan: Purple books are part of the Shalidor's Library
 * 21:43:57: Amulet of Kings: Oh
 * 21:43:59: Rozty: idk about after the mages guild, but for now the collections i have seen are ery few
 * 21:44:02: Rozty: very*
 * 21:44:30: KINMUNE: Hello there, Turtle4422!
 * 21:44:40: Nekyn Alb: There are like twenty categories in the eidetic memory
 * 21:44:51: Amulet of Kings: And what about Letters and Journals?
 * 21:44:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: On a side note there is differentiation in Skyrim on books etc. It's called type
 * 21:45:13: Amulet of Kings: They have a different appearance from other books
 * 21:45:15: TinyClayMan: There is a category that is similar to the Letter and Journals
 * 21:45:18: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Every single item category has types
 * 21:45:21: Blademaster Jauffre: I believe that they are only classified as Lorebooks, but aren't really @TCM, because lorebooks give exp, and not every book does.
 * 21:45:33: Blademaster Jauffre: If that sentence makes sense?
 * 21:45:46: KINMUNE: Hello there, KhajitGotYourTongue!
 * 21:46:03: Rozty: wait, i remember them being classified as lorebooks though?
 * 21:46:27: Rozty: hold on, imma check in-game
 * 21:46:38: Ordinator076: They are lorebooks right? All the purple ones at least. The ones that didn’t aren’t classified as "lorebooks"
 * 21:46:52: Blademaster Jauffre: All books are classified as lorebooks when first read following the Mages Guild questline, IIRC.
 * 21:47:01: TinyClayMan: We can't really call a category Online: Books that give Mages Guild experience
 * 21:47:03: CatholicPrincess15: Hey, can I say something?
 * 21:47:05: Amulet of Kings: ^^^^Yes after the MG questline
 * 21:47:07: Blademaster Jauffre: Unlike the real lorebooks which are already classified as such prior to the Mages Guild questline
 * 21:47:12: Rozty: maybe it appears different if you complete the mages guild
 * 21:47:19: Amulet of Kings: @CatholicPrincess15 yes
 * 21:47:33: Nekyn Alb: There are "Notes and Memories", "Research Notes", "Notes, Postings and Decrees"
 * 21:47:40: CatholicPrincess15: Um . . . you know how you guys called me @Catholic? Can you call me CP15?
 * 21:47:50: Nekyn Alb: Yee
 * 21:48:07: Rozty: but if we don;t include the loreboks, wouldn't that be confusing for everyone that has not yet completed mg?
 * 21:48:13: Nekyn Alb: Which books are categorized under Lorebooks atm? Shali's Library?
 * 21:48:16: Ordinator076: if you complete the MG questline they’ll just be put in their own category in your inventory nothing further.
 * 21:48:20: Blademaster Jauffre: Unsure
 * 21:48:27: Blademaster Jauffre: haven't played ESO for months
 * 21:48:44: Ordinator076: The ones that are purple and give XP are
 * 21:48:46: Nekyn Alb: You get the Libarary pretty much immediately after joining the MG, I think that's an okay category
 * 21:49:00: Nekyn Alb: those are from the Library
 * 21:49:09: Amulet of Kings: I think that anyone looking for lorebooks should simply go to another website, this one doesn't have much information about them
 * 21:49:19: Nekyn Alb: Library = Purple + Exp
 * 21:49:21: Amulet of Kings: (I mean MG lorebooks)
 * 21:49:29: Rozty: just checked, lore books appear as shalidor's library for me
 * 21:49:38: Nekyn Alb: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Shalidor%27s_Library
 * 21:49:40: TinyClayMan: Pre-Mg lorebooks are included in the Shalidor's Library
 * 21:49:41: Rozty: but that may be because i just joined the mg
 * 21:49:49: Rozty: oh
 * 21:50:09: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I've missed Skyrim so much
 * 21:50:19: Rozty: i haven't lol
 * 21:50:34: Nekyn Alb: Category:Online: Books and two subcategories? : Shalidor's Library & : Eidetic Memory?
 * 21:50:37: Amulet of Kings: So should we remove the lorebook category and use Shalidor's Library instead?
 * 21:50:43: Rozty: anyway, what's up with the eidetic memory exactly?
 * 21:50:46: Blademaster Jauffre: Can someone repeat in simple sentences what the proposal is?
 * 21:50:56: Rozty: book categories for eso
 * 21:51:07: Blademaster Jauffre: I got that far
 * 21:51:11: TinyClayMan: Right now we have categories for all book in-game-categories
 * 21:51:18: Rozty: lorebooks should be replaced with shalidor's library because of the name
 * 21:51:26: TinyClayMan: The proposal is:
 * 21:51:27: Rozty: or that's what i got
 * 21:51:32: Nekyn Alb: After finishing the MG questline every book you've read and are reading gets archived in the eidetic memory, unless they are from the Library
 * 21:51:36: TinyClayMan: Remove Lorebooks category from all the books
 * 21:51:37: TinyClayMan: and
 * 21:51:42: Ordinator076: ^
 * 21:51:59: Rozty: ah, i see
 * 21:52:02: TinyClayMan: Add a category Shalidor's Library for all the in-game-categories
 * 21:52:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Replacing categories is annoying
 * 21:52:22: Rozty: yeah a bit
 * 21:52:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: You can't rename a category
 * 21:52:38: Blademaster Jauffre: Isn't that a mess for navigating for specific books in specific collections though?
 * 21:52:39: Rozty: you can't?
 * 21:52:42: Nekyn Alb: That's bot work
 * 21:52:44: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Nope
 * 21:52:46: Amulet of Kings: But would all ESO books be in that category?
 * 21:52:47: TinyClayMan: It is not a mess
 * 21:52:54: TinyClayMan: They would, Amulet
 * 21:53:04: Nekyn Alb: Not in the Library
 * 21:53:05: TinyClayMan: *in lower tier categories
 * 21:53:09: TinyClayMan: Under that one
 * 21:53:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: You have to create a new one and Dd it to all the pages
 * 21:53:13: Rozty: but we still keep the other collection categories too right?
 * 21:53:19: TinyClayMan: Wait
 * 21:53:20: Rozty: bot
 * 21:53:23: TinyClayMan: Wait
 * 21:53:25: Rozty: what
 * 21:53:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't think we should switch the category
 * 21:53:39: TinyClayMan: Remove Lorebooks category from all the books
 * 21:53:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: It's fine as is and nicely matches the other games
 * 21:53:51: Nekyn Alb: Library: Purple books, thirty subcategories
 * 21:53:59: TinyClayMan: ^ Nekyn
 * 21:54:04: Rozty: ye
 * 21:54:25: Amulet of Kings: Are the subcategories the regions where the books are found?
 * 21:54:32: TinyClayMan: Some of them
 * 21:54:38: Rozty: no, it's the collections they have
 * 21:54:41: Nekyn Alb: 40% or so
 * 21:54:50: Rozty: wait, there are subcategories for regions?
 * 21:54:53: Blademaster Jauffre: Ahh, like the whole Grahtwood lore and stuff?
 * 21:54:54: Rozty: wtf why
 * 21:54:54: TinyClayMan: Some of the collections mention a region
 * 21:55:04: Nekyn Alb: http://de.elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Shalidors_Bibliothek the right side is regions, the left is other stuff
 * 21:55:12: Amulet of Kings: Because they are listed by region ingame I think
 * 21:55:15: Rozty: yeah, so it's the collection not the location that it is found in
 * 21:55:31: Nekyn Alb: The locations are collections
 * 21:55:42: Nekyn Alb: Books about the region
 * 21:55:54: Amulet of Kings: Do you think that we should vote now, or do you want to add something?
 * 21:55:59: Rozty: ah ok, i got confused there for a bit
 * 21:56:00: Nekyn Alb: Books about daedra are in another collection
 * 21:56:55: Amulet of Kings: Ok, @TCM propose a question and we will vote
 * 21:57:04: Nekyn Alb: The proposal is basically "Replace >Category:Online: Lorebooks Category:Online: Shalidor's Library<"
 * 21:57:14: TinyClayMan: Not quite
 * 21:57:27: Rozty: and the memory right?
 * 21:57:38: TinyClayMan: The proposal is: complete removal of Online: Lorebooks
 * 21:57:56: Nekyn Alb: @Rozty: Memory is already correct
 * 21:57:59: Rozty: oh
 * 21:58:05: Rozty: and double oh
 * 21:58:13: TinyClayMan: *We actually have Online: Shalidor's Library already*
 * 21:58:18: Nekyn Alb: Oh
 * 21:58:23: KhajitGotYourTongue: Really
 * 21:58:24: Rozty: oh
 * 21:58:28: Nekyn Alb: And it's on all the pages?
 * 21:58:34: TinyClayMan: No
 * 21:58:38: Rozty: *yeah i remember now*
 * 21:58:40: TinyClayMan: It is a category for categories
 * 21:58:47: Rozty: huh?
 * 21:58:51: Nekyn Alb: I see
 * 21:58:54: Blademaster Jauffre: Ah, one of those
 * 21:58:59: TinyClayMan: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Online:_Shalidor%27s_Library
 * 21:59:01: KhajitGotYourTongue: Okay
 * 21:59:13: TinyClayMan: It basically covers all the Online: Lorebooks
 * 21:59:13: Rozty: ok, yeah i get what you are saying
 * 21:59:15: Amulet of Kings: Vote?
 * 21:59:17: TinyClayMan: It IS the same thing
 * 21:59:21: Nekyn Alb: Ye
 * 21:59:25: TinyClayMan: Vote
 * 21:59:27: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:59:28: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 21:59:29: Rozty: ye
 * 21:59:31: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:59:31: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:59:33: Ordinator076: (+)
 * 21:59:35: CatholicPrincess15: +
 * 21:59:37: Rozty: 4-0-0
 * 21:59:39: Rozty: 5-0-0
 * 21:59:41: Rozty: right?
 * 21:59:44: Nekyn Alb: 6
 * 21:59:55: Amulet of Kings: 6-0-0
 * 21:59:57: KhajitGotYourTongue: +
 * 21:59:58: Nekyn Alb: CP15: (+)
 * 22:00:02: Rozty: @CP15 (+) to vote
 * 22:00:09: Blademaster Jauffre: (+)
 * 22:00:09: CatholicPrincess15: (+)
 * 22:00:15: CatholicPrincess15: I DID IT!
 * 22:00:19: Nekyn Alb: 8-0-0
 * 22:00:20: KhajitGotYourTongue: Lol
 * 22:00:24: Rozty: where is the 8
 * 22:00:26: Rozty: i count 7
 * 22:00:35: Blademaster Jauffre: My vote counts for 2
 * 22:00:38: Nekyn Alb: KhajitGotYourTongue
 * 22:00:43: Rozty: eh
 * 22:00:47: Nekyn Alb: He just wrote +
 * 22:00:54: Amulet of Kings: 8-0-0, next topic
 * 22:01:02: Amulet of Kings: Rozty's turn
 * 22:01:06: TinyClayMan: Wait
 * 22:01:07: Rozty: oh right
 * 22:01:11: TinyClayMan: That was the first part
 * 22:01:11: Rozty: lol what is it
 * 22:01:14: Amulet of Kings: Ok
 * 22:01:15: Blademaster Jauffre: First part?
 * 22:01:19: Rozty: *oof*
 * 22:01:22: Amulet of Kings: The journal thing
 * 22:01:29: TinyClayMan: The second part is something that was discussed sometime before
 * 22:01:31: Nekyn Alb: That was pretty much everyone
 * 22:01:40: Nekyn Alb: Lag
 * 22:01:41: Nekyn Alb: sorry
 * 22:01:42: TinyClayMan: Somewhere in 2016-2017, if I am correct
 * 22:01:52: Rozty: summary section?
 * 22:01:56: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 22:02:07: Nekyn Alb: Explain pls
 * 22:02:11: Rozty: btw o/ @Poisoned apples
 * 22:02:20: Amulet of Kings: o/
 * 22:02:24: Rozty: we should remove what exactly (kappa)
 * 22:02:26: Poisoned apples: hi
 * 22:02:45: TinyClayMan: Most of the summary section duplicates the infobox
 * 22:02:56: Rozty: isn't that fine?
 * 22:03:03: Amulet of Kings: But it serves as TLDR
 * 22:03:04: Rozty: many pages do that already
 * 22:03:21: Nekyn Alb: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Monomyth:_The_Heart_of_the_World Example
 * 22:03:41: Nekyn Alb: Location needs its own header
 * 22:03:42: Rozty: ok, yeah
 * 22:03:48: Nekyn Alb: http://de.elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Monomythos:_Das_Herz_der_Welt
 * 22:03:55: Nekyn Alb: same book with all locations
 * 22:04:02: Nekyn Alb: /the long list/
 * 22:04:23: Rozty: we use a different header in this wiki too
 * 22:04:33: Rozty: for locations i mean
 * 22:04:41: Amulet of Kings: Shouldn't summary summarize the content of the book?
 * 22:04:54: Rozty: i guess if the rest are a repeat they shouldn't be inlcuded
 * 22:04:56: Nekyn Alb: Usually, but online books are odd like that
 * 22:05:00: TinyClayMan: That was also brought up a while ago
 * 22:05:04: Rozty: *yes but eso is special*
 * 22:05:29: Rozty: btw what exactly was the previous moot decision about that?
 * 22:05:44: Blademaster Jauffre: Wait, there was a vote on this prior?
 * 22:05:49: TinyClayMan: I think it wasn't in a moot
 * 22:05:51: Blademaster Jauffre: Oh
 * 22:05:54: Blademaster Jauffre: nvm then
 * 22:05:57: TinyClayMan: Found it on some talk page
 * 22:06:28: Rozty: oh
 * 22:06:32: Amulet of Kings: So what is the proposition?
 * 22:06:57: Rozty: *gonna be really awkward if it turns out this was a previous moot decision*
 * 22:07:18: Blademaster Jauffre: Yep
 * 22:07:26: Nekyn Alb: Ah, happens often enough
 * 22:07:30: TinyClayMan: Remove the line about the collection
 * others are needed sometimes but this one simply duplicates the infobox*
 * 22:08:09: Rozty: then should we remove the one about the author too?
 * 22:08:16: Blademaster Jauffre: ^
 * 22:08:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: agreed, we don't need info to be stated twice
 * 22:08:44: Nekyn Alb: on the DE we put Shalidor's Library and Divines and Deities on there for easier orientation, app users don't have categories
 * 22:08:51: TinyClayMan: Author can have a full title in the Summary and only a name in the infobox
 * 22:08:52: Amulet of Kings: All duplicated information should be removed in my opinion
 * 22:09:15: CatholicPrincess15: ^^^
 * 22:09:29: CatholicPrincess15: *^
 * 22:09:43: Nekyn Alb: I don't see the need for author outside of the infobox
 * 22:09:47: Rozty: usually whatever is in the infobox is repeated in the rest of the page anyway so i don't think that's the issue here
 * 22:10:16: Nekyn Alb: Well, it's just a name, one to three words usually
 * 22:10:29: Rozty: yeah, that's the problem
 * 22:10:35: Amulet of Kings: Probably the section Summary should be added if there is no summary of the text
 * 22:11:06: Amulet of Kings: ^^^And the author should have a link in the infobox anyway
 * 22:11:14: Rozty: tbh i don't even know why we are using the summary header for this
 * 22:11:24: Amulet of Kings: *shouldn't
 * 22:11:46: Nekyn Alb: Why shouldn't he?
 * 22:11:46: Rozty: it's supposed to be a summary of the book not a bullet point list
 * 22:11:49: TinyClayMan: Sometimes the author has a relatively long list of titles (5-6 words) that don't look well in the infobox
 * 22:12:00: Nekyn Alb: Eh, it's not that bad
 * 22:12:10: Nekyn Alb: Spells and enchanted items have their descriptions in there too
 * 22:12:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: maybe we should just use a different word rather than summary
 * 22:12:16: Rozty: tbh i don't like putting too much words in the infobox
 * 22:12:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: maybe rename it to general info or something
 * 22:12:25: Amulet of Kings: But if they have many titles they probably have their own page in the wiki which can be accessed through the infobox
 * 22:12:42: Nekyn Alb: Remember that on mobile the complete top is filled with the infobox, then comes text
 * 22:12:45: Rozty: usually they don't i think
 * 22:12:59: Rozty: eh heck the mobile
 * 22:13:06: Nekyn Alb: 70% of all views
 * 22:13:07: Rozty: it's trash anyway
 * 22:13:10: Rozty: oof
 * 22:13:17: Nekyn Alb: app and browser
 * 22:13:21: Rozty: why do you have to use logic for this
 * 22:13:43: Nekyn Alb: (kappa)
 * 22:13:47: TinyClayMan: 1) They usually don't have a page
 * 22:14:44: Nekyn Alb: And?
 * 22:14:59: Rozty: so for now, should we just remove the collections part?
 * 22:15:22: Nekyn Alb: /why remove the second most useful thing/
 * 22:15:23: Amulet of Kings: Let's vote author and collection separately
 * 22:15:31: KINMUNE: Hello there, Stygies VIII!
 * 22:15:31: Stygies VIII: hello
 * 22:15:34: Nekyn Alb: Hey
 * 22:15:38: TinyClayMan: Hi
 * 22:16:00: Rozty: if the author is to be included on the summary with full title then that means we don't have much else left to remove
 * 22:16:40: Stygies VIII: bad timing, I think I have to go to sleep or half-sleep on the keyboard
 * 22:16:42: Stygies VIII: bye xD
 * 22:16:46: Nekyn Alb: o/
 * 22:17:00: TinyClayMan: *this proposal sounded better in my head when I first thought of it, hm*
 * 22:17:17: Amulet of Kings: Anyone wants to add anything?
 * 22:17:18: Rozty: lol it did sound better at first
 * 22:17:27: Rozty: but then we started thinking about it
 * 22:17:28: Nekyn Alb: Let's do collections real quick: Mobile users don't see the categories, so they might prove useful for achievement hunters or people who just want to look what they're missing
 * 22:17:36: Nekyn Alb: +
 * 22:17:41: Nekyn Alb: PC users can be stupid
 * 22:17:47: Rozty: lol
 * 22:17:54: KINMUNE: Hello there, Atvelonis!
 * 22:18:01: Nekyn Alb: Hello o/
 * 22:18:07: Atvelonis: I'm sorry I completely forgot
 * 22:18:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 22:18:07: Rozty: o/
 * 22:18:09: Amulet of Kings: Should At last
 * 22:18:11: Atvelonis: I was doing some painting
 * 22:18:13: TinyClayMan: *ah, the templates' future is saved now*
 * 22:18:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we started moot without you
 * 22:18:16: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 22:18:18: TinyClayMan: Greetings
 * 22:18:23: Atvelonis: Well the moot started 2 hours ago right
 * 22:18:26: Atvelonis: How is it still going?
 * 22:18:32: Amulet of Kings: We waited for an hour
 * 22:18:36: Rozty: because it was one hour ago
 * 22:18:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: No we started an hour ago
 * 22:18:38: Nekyn Alb: 40 minutes and we solved one thing
 * 22:18:45: Rozty: they were nice and waited for me (kappa)
 * 22:18:51: Amulet of Kings: That EST thing is misleading
 * 22:18:51: Rozty: what
 * 22:18:51: Atvelonis: What was discussed?
 * 22:18:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: There were no people yet w hours ago
 * 22:18:59: Rozty: what about the first topic
 * 22:19:15: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: 2*
 * 22:19:29: Nekyn Alb: oh yeah
 * 22:19:31: KhajitGotYourTongue: Later gonna go play oblivion
 * 22:19:39: Rozty: for now, delete lorebook category and completely replace it with shalidor's library that already exists
 * 22:19:43: Amulet of Kings: @atv Pets' and mounts' articles' names' change and Various Online Books categories removal
 * 22:19:43: Rozty: for eso
 * 22:19:48: TinyClayMan: First topic assed: Add (Pet) and (Mount) to creatures that have non-pet/non-mount equivalent
 * 22:19:57: TinyClayMan: passed*
 * 22:20:17: Rozty: i know i wan't here while you were doing that but why
 * 22:20:24: Atvelonis: o/
 * 22:20:33: Atvelonis: What categories did we decide to remove?
 * 22:20:46: TinyClayMan: Online: Notes and Letters
 * 22:21:01: Atvelonis: Oh ok good those weren't really needed anyway
 * 22:21:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah, that's why we voted to remove them
 * 22:21:34: Rozty: we did something good
 * 22:21:39: Nekyn Alb: Yaaay
 * 22:21:44: Rozty: and didn't burn the place
 * 22:21:45: Atvelonis: Who has the next topic?
 * 22:21:48: TheBretonMage: Hey, Atvelonis. Someone mentioned that in a previous moot users from the /d weren’t allowed to vote. They told me to ask you. Is this true?
 * 22:21:53: Amulet of Kings: We were now discussing to remove some info from summary section in Online books
 * 22:21:54: Rozty: still tiny lol
 * 22:21:55: Amulet of Kings: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Monomyth:_The_Heart_of_the_World
 * 22:22:10: Rozty: lmao they were trolling
 * 22:22:10: Atvelonis: @Breton: anyone can vote in the moot
 * 22:22:21: Atvelonis: You don't have to have a single edit or /d post. You just have to be here
 * 22:22:25: Nekyn Alb: Tiny makes the biggest requests
 * 22:22:40: Rozty: tiny likes to see us suffer (kappa)
 * 22:22:52: TinyClayMan: *oh no, they found out*
 * 22:23:02: TheBretonMage: Oh, alright. Thank Atv
 * 22:23:15: Amulet of Kings: This moot doesn't advance
 * 22:23:20: Nekyn Alb: The current request is to remove Collections, Author and the "summary" header, right?
 * 22:23:32: Amulet of Kings: Not the header
 * 22:23:36: Atvelonis: Remove the header?
 * 22:23:51: Nekyn Alb: But without these things you'd just have Location
 * 22:23:54: TinyClayMan: Only the Collections line that is under the header
 * 22:23:55: Atvelonis: And quest
 * 22:23:59: Amulet of Kings: And the actual summary
 * 22:24:01: Rozty: i was saying that the summary header for eso is not used like the other games
 * 22:24:08: Nekyn Alb: /there is no summary/
 * 22:24:26: Rozty: *there never is any summary*
 * 22:24:34: Amulet of Kings: But can't we add a summary?
 * 22:24:39: Rozty: yes
 * 22:24:46: Rozty: but no one bothers
 * 22:24:56: TinyClayMan: /is it needed, though?
 * 22:24:57: Nekyn Alb: "In this Sermon, Vivec chokes on Bal's dick and gets superpowers"
 * 22:25:04: Amulet of Kings: Well, but there should be a summary header if the page has a summary
 * 22:25:26: Rozty: *if you ask me no, but i'm not the dictator here* (kappa)
 * 22:25:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the summary header definitely shouldn't be used for something that isn't a summary
 * 22:25:42: Amulet of Kings: ^
 * 22:25:51: TinyClayMan: Should we rename it?
 * 22:25:51: Rozty: ok, but replace it with what then
 * 22:26:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: general info? idk
 * 22:26:04: Nekyn Alb: Description
 * 22:26:08: Atvelonis: I think the other games use ==Locations== and ==Quests==
 * 22:26:10: Nekyn Alb: Info is good too
 * 22:26:17: Atvelonis: I don't think there's any reason we can't just use that
 * 22:26:27: Nekyn Alb: And Collections
 * 22:26:44: Poisoned apples: this is just for eso books, yes?
 * 22:26:47: Nekyn Alb: Yes
 * 22:27:04: Rozty: if we use ==collections== and ==quests== then there's nothing really left on the summary header
 * 22:27:15: Rozty: *locations not collectiuons
 * 22:27:15: Nekyn Alb: So remove summary
 * 22:27:29: Atvelonis: Why would we use ==Collections==?
 * 22:27:32: Rozty: *we would need a bot for that*
 * 22:27:32: Atvelonis: It's in the infobox...
 * 22:27:49: TinyClayMan: Author's list of titles can sometimes be too long for the infobox so I think that *Author should remain
 * 22:27:53: Nekyn Alb: owot
 * 22:27:59: Nekyn Alb: I didn't see it's in the infobox
 * 22:28:01: Rozty: yeah, got confused and typed an entirely different word there
 * 22:28:12: Atvelonis: Disagree, I think it's better to just keep that data in the infobox
 * 22:28:17: Atvelonis: It's okay if the text wraps
 * 22:28:19: Amulet of Kings: Can we vote? We've been a lot of time with this topic
 * 22:28:27: Atvelonis: We're still deliberating
 * 22:28:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sure
 * 22:28:55: Rozty: i think it should be ok to do it like the books from the other games
 * 22:28:58: Nekyn Alb: Remove Collections and Author. ==Summary== is unnecessary then
 * 22:29:13: Atvelonis: IMO what we should do to the header is start using ==Locations== (and ==Quests== when relevant) instead of ==Summary==. Then author and collection would just stay in the infobox (they are already in the infobox so no extra work)
 * 22:29:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: It's a thunder storm in Skyrim
 * 22:29:20: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 22:29:28: Rozty: so basically remove summary and replace it with locations and quests where applicable
 * 22:29:30: KINMUNE: Hello there, Lukeract!
 * 22:29:36: Atvelonis: Hi
 * 22:29:37: Nekyn Alb: Ye
 * 22:29:38: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 22:29:47: Atvelonis: Yeah pretty much
 * 22:29:56: Atvelonis: I should be able to get the bot to fix all this
 * 22:29:59: Rozty: oof, while i was typing that atv already said the same thing
 * 22:30:05: Atvelonis: It shouldn't be hard. Removing stuff is really easy
 * 22:30:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: shall we vote on this now?
 * 22:30:11: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 22:30:13: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 22:30:13: Rozty: ye
 * 22:30:15: Rozty: (+)
 * 22:30:18: Nekyn Alb: /collections in the infobox is so smart that I have to steal that/
 * 22:30:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 22:30:23: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 22:30:23: TheBretonMage: (+)
 * 22:30:24: TinyClayMan: *I have seen some articles that had longer title mentioned only in the Summary section*
 * 22:30:25: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 22:30:27: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 22:30:31: Atvelonis: 7-0-0
 * 22:30:41: Nekyn Alb: Which title?
 * 22:30:43: Nekyn Alb: Of the book?
 * 22:30:48: TinyClayMan: Of the author
 * 22:30:52: Rozty: oof
 * 22:30:53: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 22:30:54: Nekyn Alb: Fuck those snobs
 * 22:31:04: Atvelonis: 8-0-0
 * 22:31:11: TinyClayMan: Something like Altmer Name of House Namename from Name, of occupation name
 * 22:31:23: Rozty: *how about we put the longer title only on the table where all authors are inlcuded*
 * 22:31:34: Atvelonis: Whole different suggestion
 * 22:31:35: Atvelonis: Next month
 * 22:31:38: Rozty: oof
 * 22:31:41: TinyClayMan: lol
 * 22:31:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ok
 * 22:32:07: Nekyn Alb: They are exceptions anyways
 * 22:32:09: Rozty: wait, that means i'm next right?
 * 22:32:13: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 22:32:16: Rozty: o boi
 * 22:32:24: Nekyn Alb: /excited/
 * 22:32:27: Rozty: i'll start with the one that actually matters
 * 22:32:32: TinyClayMan: /make it another hour/
 * 22:32:42: Nekyn Alb: /build the autobahn/
 * 22:32:52: Amulet of Kings: Next topic!
 * 22:33:00: Nekyn Alb: She's typing
 * 22:33:01: Nekyn Alb: I think
 * 22:33:18: Rozty: so basically, we will include a template for people or places even mentioned in books, which makes it pretty hard to pinpoint where exactly that mention is
 * 22:33:20: Atvelonis: o/
 * 22:33:33: Rozty: i was thinking that we should reference the source of that in order to avoid confusion
 * 22:33:53: Atvelonis: Hi
 * 22:33:56: Atvelonis: Yes that makes sense
 * 22:34:15: Rozty: for example, alymar included something like that here Eternal Champion
 * 22:34:16: Nekyn Alb: They should have sources
 * 22:34:17: Atvelonis: That's a very good idea actually, makes these things traceable
 * 22:34:22: TinyClayMan: So it would look like ?
 * Book
 * 22:34:51: TinyClayMan: Right
 * 22:35:14: Atvelonis: No problems from me, sounds pretty straightforward
 * 22:35:15: Atvelonis: Vote?
 * 22:35:15: Amulet of Kings: I think it is a good idea, but I don't like how it looks
 * 22:35:27: Nekyn Alb: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Eternal_Champion#Appearances
 * 22:35:30: Rozty: i was thinking that we should make it a separate thing from just a reference so that it doesn't just blend in with pages that have like 50 of them
 * 22:35:32: Nekyn Alb: like that
 * 22:35:53: Atvelonis: Like a separate ref group?
 * 22:36:07: Rozty: yeah, something like that, like how notes are
 * 22:36:14: Atvelonis: I mean, we could do that. But there's no problem with it blending in with the other references
 * 22:36:24: Atvelonis: You can click on the number to get to the correct one
 * 22:36:45: Rozty: yeah, i guess now that i think about it it shouldn't be much of an issue
 * 22:36:54: Rozty: it is a reference after all
 * 22:37:00: Atvelonis: Yeah
 * 22:37:15: TinyClayMan: Amulet, what was wrong with it?
 * 22:37:30: Rozty: it doesn't look as pretty
 * 22:37:40: Rozty: i thinki agree somewhat
 * 22:38:01: Atvelonis: I see that, although having that extra level of proof for what we've written is worth it IMO
 * 22:38:05: Amulet of Kings: The reference number just after the doesn't look very nice
 * 22:38:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: maybe put it before or something
 * 22:39:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: idk if it looks better there
 * 22:39:04: Rozty: yeah, but since so far i don't see any other way to write that, i don't think we have any other way
 * 22:39:48: Atvelonis: Eh
 * 22:40:04: Atvelonis: With the reference you're really citing the mention, not the game it's mentioned in
 * 22:40:08: Atvelonis: So it should be at the end
 * 22:40:16: Atvelonis: I think this is a worthwhile tradeoff
 * 22:40:52: Rozty: https://gyazo.com/994272b4413cbbaf4219ff7f1dd4fef7
 * 22:40:57: Rozty: pick your poison
 * 22:41:12: TinyClayMan: What if ref was ?
 * 22:41:19: Atvelonis: yikes I definitely prefer it after
 * 22:41:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: agree
 * 22:41:34: Atvelonis: It doesn't go well with the italics of the game
 * 22:41:35: Atvelonis: Hi
 * 22:41:46: Nekyn Alb: after
 * 22:41:55: Rozty: after it is then
 * 22:42:05: Atvelonis: Any other objections?
 * 22:42:15: TinyClayMan: No
 * 22:42:31: Amulet of Kings: No
 * 22:42:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: let's vote then
 * 22:42:41: Atvelonis: So now we'll vote to add references to uses of in ==Appearances== sections of articles
 * 22:42:44: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 22:42:45: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 22:42:47: Rozty: (+)
 * 22:42:53: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 22:42:55: Atvelonis: 4-0-0
 * 22:43:01: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 22:43:02: CatholicPrincess15: (+)
 * 22:43:21: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 22:43:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 22:43:27: Rozty: sorry tiny, guess i don't make it another hour (kappa)
 * 22:43:34: Rozty: didn't dammit
 * 22:43:40: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Omg this farmer keeps walking back and forth on the road. At first he said he'll join the stirmcloaks then he turns bavk and saus he's joining the imperials
 * 22:43:42: Atvelonis: 8-0-0
 * 22:43:46: TinyClayMan: Wait there
 * 22:43:47: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 22:43:50: TinyClayMan: You have another topic
 * 22:43:53: Atvelonis: 9-0-0
 * 22:43:55: TinyClayMan: Don't you forget
 * 22:44:25: Atvelonis: I'm going to need a break soon to grab something to eat
 * 22:44:27: Rozty: it's one hour per topic or i have failed
 * 22:44:52: Rozty: besides, i think it's finelia's turn now
 * 22:45:02: Atvelonis: I have a topic :(
 * 22:45:10: Rozty: *ah right*
 * 22:45:12: Atvelonis: Actually that will take a little while to explain
 * 22:45:19: Atvelonis: Fin you can go first while I formulate my thoughts
 * 22:45:31: Amulet of Kings: @ATV we can handle it again if required
 * 22:45:35: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Oki
 * 22:46:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: So my topic is that we remove the characteristics section from Breton see the template on the page for more detail
 * 22:46:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I can't see the template on mobile
 * 22:47:32: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: No other race page has that section and it seems to be full of nonsense
 * 22:47:54: Nekyn Alb: "even the humblest and least prominent Breton can boast a high resistance to destructive and dominating magical attacks they encounter." game mechanics ent lore
 * 22:48:12: Rozty: lol
 * 22:48:14: Nekyn Alb: "The Bretons feel an inborn, instinctive bond with the mercurial forces of magic and the supernatural world." elven blood
 * 22:48:24: Amulet of Kings: Did you just change your profile pic?
 * 22:48:26: Atvelonis: Doesn't even have a citation, haha
 * 22:48:26: TinyClayMan: Sounds a bit like some race description from the older games
 * 22:48:36: Rozty: someone changed the header to characteristics and i got confused therte
 * 22:48:37: Nekyn Alb: "Many great sorcerers have come out of their home province of High Rock, and in addition to their quick and perceptive grasp of spellcraft, enchantment, and alchemy" caused by their magic-focused upbringing
 * 22:48:52: CatholicPrincess15: Bretons are also master chefs.
 * 22:49:01: Nekyn Alb: @AoK: I did, it's the old one again
 * 22:49:13: Nekyn Alb: Mainly, Bretons suck
 * 22:49:18: Rozty: tru lore, kirkbride ain't got nothing on this
 * 22:49:20: Atvelonis: Anyway the template on the page has the content: "Not sure if a personality section is really needed or useful here; at the very least it is quite up to opinion, and should probably be changed to be a bit less biased/up to interpretation"
 * 22:49:37: Poisoned apples: it sounds like a breton wrote that section
 * 22:49:42: Rozty: smh
 * 22:49:47: CatholicPrincess15: ????
 * 22:49:48: Atvelonis: This uses some very weird wording, I would never use the word "mercurial" in normal speech
 * 22:49:50: Rozty: leave it to a breton to do that
 * 22:49:54: Atvelonis: So I can only assume it's from a guide
 * 22:50:03: CatholicPrincess15: Why do you all hate Bretons?
 * 22:50:09: Rozty: lmao didn't even notice that
 * 22:50:10: Nekyn Alb: The Warp in the West should have culminated in Landfall
 * 22:50:13: Atvelonis: Or someone with a very interesting vocabulary
 * 22:50:14: Rozty: because they are bastards
 * 22:50:16: Atvelonis: Anyway I have to go
 * 22:50:18: Atvelonis: Breifly
 * 22:50:20: Rozty: oof
 * 22:50:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't even know what mercurial means
 * 22:50:25: Atvelonis: *briefly
 * 22:50:32: Atvelonis: Finish this topic up and wait for me pls
 * 22:50:34: Nekyn Alb: mercury poisoning
 * 22:50:34: CatholicPrincess15: @Rozty, why are they "bastards"?
 * 22:50:35: Atvelonis: I will be like 20 min
 * 22:50:51: Nekyn Alb: (y)
 * 22:51:07: Nekyn Alb: Imma say we fix exactly what I said
 * 22:51:10: Rozty: cuz mer decided it would be a good idea to mingle with men'
 * 22:51:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: bastards are children born out of wedlock. it's possible for elves to marry men
 * 22:51:43: Rozty: wait, what did you say?
 * 22:51:49: Amulet of Kings: Rozty, do you want to add anything else?
 * 22:51:52: CatholicPrincess15: So you hate them because they're half elf, half human?
 * 22:51:55: Rozty: not in the breton's case lol
 * 22:52:08: Rozty: what, it's not my topic amulet
 * 22:52:26: Amulet of Kings: Sorry, CP?
 * 22:52:32: Rozty: neither
 * 22:52:34: Nekyn Alb: "Because of their merish heritage their culture is heavily focused on the magical arts and resulted in multiple great sorcerers like XYZ"
 * 22:52:36: Rozty: it's finelia
 * 22:52:47: Rozty: ah right that
 * 22:52:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I'm good
 * 22:52:58: CatholicPrincess15: Amulet of Kings, I'm just trying to understand why everyone hates Bretons.
 * 22:53:05: Nekyn Alb: Did they have any remarkable sorcerers
 * 22:53:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no one hates bretons
 * 22:53:08: Rozty: eh, but everything else would still have to go right/
 * 22:53:19: Rozty: i'm memeing
 * 22:53:29: Nekyn Alb: The most famous Breton is a fucking cunt and half the world thinks he's from another continent. Also not a wizard
 * 22:53:40: Rozty: lmao
 * 22:53:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Lol
 * 22:54:01: Amulet of Kings: Should we vote on removing that section?
 * 22:54:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sure
 * 22:54:21: Nekyn Alb: Yeah, culture is covering most of it
 * 22:54:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 22:54:36: TinyClayMan: >any remarkable sorcerers
 * 22:54:36: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 22:54:40: TinyClayMan: (=)
 * 22:54:42: Nekyn Alb: >fag
 * 22:54:42: Rozty: (+)
 * 22:54:43: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 22:54:45: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 22:54:51: CatholicPrincess15: (=)
 * 22:54:56: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 22:55:08: Nekyn Alb: I don't know who Nulfaga is. Some non-canon Daggerfall person? (kappa)
 * 22:55:23: Rozty: the which from hansel and gretel doesn't count (kappa)
 * 22:55:27: Rozty: witch dammit
 * 22:55:36: Amulet of Kings: *triggered*, Daggerfall is canon
 * 22:55:43: TinyClayMan: lol
 * 22:55:48: Nekyn Alb: 6-2-0
 * 22:55:50: CatholicPrincess15: The witch from Hansel and Gretel?
 * 22:55:57: Amulet of Kings: 6.2.0
 * 22:55:59: Nekyn Alb: *Hänsel
 * 22:56:05: Rozty: otherwise known as nulfaga yes
 * 22:56:11: Nekyn Alb: American cretins
 * 22:56:13: CatholicPrincess15: Oh! Thanks.
 * 22:56:21: Rozty: *don't have fancy umlauts on keyboard*
 * 22:56:35: Nekyn Alb: gäy
 * 22:56:38: Rozty: *not even american*
 * 22:56:50: Amulet of Kings: Since atvelonis is away, it's time for the Rozty's second topic
 * 22:57:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Fæggot
 * 22:57:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ï çáñ mákè äççëñts
 * 22:57:05: Rozty: didn't he say to wait for him?
 * 22:57:11: Nekyn Alb: I hope it's about changing Zoder's pfp
 * 22:57:26: Nekyn Alb: 13 more minutes until he comes back
 * 22:57:33: Amulet of Kings: ñ is not a n with accent *ultratriggered*
 * 22:57:36: Nekyn Alb: we solved the topic in 7 minutes
 * 22:57:47: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I can make at least 3 kinds of umlauts on my computer keyboard
 * 22:58:07: Nekyn Alb: I can't make a capital ß and it saddens me
 * 22:58:17: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Plus my alphabet has ä, ò and
 * 22:58:19: TinyClayMan: I can meddle with Windows keyboard settings and turn on those keyboards
 * 22:58:22: Amulet of Kings: Gauß
 * 22:58:22: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Ö*
 * 22:58:28: TinyClayMan: layouts*
 * 22:58:28: Rozty: yeah, but can you do this?
 * 22:58:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: there's a capital ß?
 * 22:58:30: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: And å
 * 22:58:37: Rozty: there's a capital ss?
 * 22:58:42: Nekyn Alb: Yeah. Germany made it official or something some months ago
 * 22:58:47: Rozty: wtf
 * 22:58:50: Nekyn Alb: because SS is wrong
 * 22:58:59: Rozty: that's true
 * 22:59:01: Amulet of Kings: Next topic?
 * 22:59:10: Nekyn Alb: well, Duden did iirc and they're the authority
 * 22:59:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: does ß even start any words?
 * 22:59:11: TinyClayMan: Rozty?
 * 22:59:13: Rozty: should i?
 * 22:59:29: Nekyn Alb: It's for capslocking at nerds and headlines
 * 22:59:29: TinyClayMan: You should. That one should last longer
 * 22:59:35: Rozty: eh, whatever, let's just drag it out (kappa)
 * 23:00:03: Rozty: so, the way we currently separate dialogue in eso is all over the place
 * 23:00:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Ash does it matter? They need it because Germans always yell
 * 23:00:20: Nekyn Alb: Fürwahr!
 * 23:01:11: Rozty: everyone pretty much writes whatever they want in the headers and it's getting very confusing, you will see sections with player interaction titled both ==Conversations== and ==Dialogue==
 * 23:02:00: Rozty: then there are actual conversations between npc that would normally be titled ==Conversations== that are somehow included under one section along with the player dialogue
 * 23:02:53: Rozty: that is not an issue in the rest of the games however, as it seems things are very consistent there, and i was thinking we should agree on a standard and make it clear in the guidelines
 * 23:03:14: Amulet of Kings: What do you propose?
 * 23:03:43: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Censorship!
 * 23:03:48: Poisoned apples: yea, I did ==conversations== with oblivion npcs, but im trying to go back over them to change them to ==dialogue== :p
 * 23:03:55: Rozty: basically, the same formatting as the skyrim pages
 * 23:03:57: Nekyn Alb: Hello
 * 23:04:21: Rozty: but make it clear for everyone so that we don't just add whatever
 * 23:04:25: Atvelonis: I am here
 * 23:04:34: Nekyn Alb: Player-NPC > Dialogue
 * 23:04:36: Amulet of Kings: o/
 * 23:04:38: Ab'duul: wow
 * 23:04:45: Ab'duul: hella active chat
 * 23:04:46: Atvelonis: Typically what we've done is what Nekyn said
 * 23:04:47: TinyClayMan: That is how it is with Skyrim
 * 23:04:55: Atvelonis: And then ==Quotes== for stuff the NPC just says to no one in particular
 * 23:05:03: Atvelonis: But this has never been codified
 * 23:05:06: Amulet of Kings: Makes sense
 * 23:05:06: Rozty: yeah, that's the way it is for that and eso is very similar to the way interactions work
 * 23:05:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 23:05:10: Nekyn Alb: ==Epic Monologue==
 * 23:05:16: Rozty: lol
 * 23:05:23: Ab'duul: im doing my first raid in ffxiv
 * 23:05:25: Atvelonis: I half think we should use fewer headers though
 * 23:05:43: Amulet of Kings: What about subeaders?
 * 23:05:49: Atvelonis: I dunno. At least for conversations there are a ton of headers
 * 23:05:49: Rozty: like what is done in some articles i've seen that everything is in subheader?
 * 23:06:02: Nekyn Alb: =====header==== is a requirement
 * 23:06:10: Atvelonis: ==Conversations==

bleh

 * 23:06:15: Atvelonis: for all the different people they talk to
 * 23:06:20: Atvelonis: I think we should just use k
 * 23:06:24: TinyClayMan: Proposal would make:

Quotes
https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Brynjolf_(Skyrim)?action=edit&section=9
 * 23:06:25: Atvelonis: the colon
 * 23:06:35: Atvelonis: Yes I agree with that
 * 23:06:38: Rozty: yeah
 * 23:06:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sounds good
 * 23:06:45: Atvelonis: But for the conversations subheaders I think we should standardize it as ;
 * 23:06:51: Atvelonis: So it would be for example
 * 23:06:56: Atvelonis: ;Balgruuf the Greater
 * 23:07:02: Atvelonis: Rather than ===Balgruuf the Greater===
 * 23:07:10: Atvelonis: This clogs up the TOC much less
 * 23:07:18: TinyClayMan: Are the subheaders necessary?
 * 23:07:22: Nekyn Alb: Aye
 * 23:07:25: Nekyn Alb: ^^
 * 23:07:42: Atvelonis: Well I think they aren't. But there should be some sort of indication of the different people the NPC talks to
 * 23:07:52: Atvelonis: And personally I think ; is the best way to format it
 * 23:07:59: Atvelonis: Makes a little bolded thingy
 * 23:08:05: Rozty: yeah, it would be much better
 * 23:08:20: Rozty: the thing i saw before was this btw Razum-dar
 * 23:08:20: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#Developer_comments_on_canon
 * 23:08:24: Atvelonis: There is an example of what I mean here
 * 23:08:35: TinyClayMan: But blockquote already specifies that
 * 23:08:46: Atvelonis: There's the ===Named developers=== subheader, and then ; has the person's name
 * 23:08:49: Rozty: don't know how much that would be preferred over the standard
 * 23:08:50: Atvelonis: Well yes but that's harder to see
 * 23:08:51: Atvelonis: @Tiny
 * 23:09:02: Atvelonis: The subheaders make things easy. I just don't like that we use === since it clogs up the TOC
 * 23:09:03: TinyClayMan: Like this
 * 23:09:17: Atvelonis: No but you have groups of conversations
 * 23:09:24: Atvelonis: They're supposed to be grouped by the person speaking
 * 23:09:42: Rozty: what about the quests then?
 * 23:09:43: Atvelonis: And it's much easier to quickly gauge who the other person speaking is if you have a little subheader (or similar formatting)
 * 23:09:51: TinyClayMan: Won't that it make different to navigate throught navigations of the specific quest?
 * 23:09:58: Atvelonis: What?
 * 23:10:13: TinyClayMan: If the person talks to various characters
 * 23:10:25: Atvelonis: I'm not sure what you mean
 * 23:10:37: TinyClayMan: *Or I misunderstood your proposal*
 * 23:10:58: Rozty: you mean when there's a convo between more than two people?
 * 23:11:24: Atvelonis: One second
 * 23:11:51: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Did that guard just call me a crazy old woman
 * 23:12:26: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/?diff=2721265
 * 23:12:45: Atvelonis: This way the table of contents is not weirdly focused on dialogue
 * 23:13:06: Atvelonis: And you can still have the instant way to tell who they're talking to (which is useful)
 * 23:13:13: Atvelonis: If we remove the subheaders entirely then it becomes more difficult
 * 23:13:22: Rozty: that is a lot better
 * 23:13:38: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: It's 2 am
 * 23:13:48: Rozty: oh yeah
 * 23:13:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no it's not, it's 1 am
 * 23:14:03: TinyClayMan: 2 am
 * 23:14:08: Rozty: we are in the future
 * 23:14:09: Atvelonis: 7pm :)
 * 23:14:23: Atvelonis: anyway, does that explain what I meant?
 * 23:14:33: Rozty: yeah, that's good
 * 23:15:00: TinyClayMan: *Still don't get it, hm*
 * 23:15:22: Rozty: this should also be the same for eso though
 * 23:15:33: TinyClayMan: Any examples of weirdly focusing on dialogue?
 * 23:15:42: Rozty: the before
 * 23:15:48: Atvelonis: There are just too many dialogue headers
 * 23:15:53: Atvelonis: It clutters it
 * 23:16:09: Atvelonis: Let me find a better example
 * 23:16:11: Rozty: Elisif the Fair look at this toc
 * 23:16:16: TinyClayMan: The

To clarify even more https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:OnlineCharacters https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:OrsiniumCharacters Would it be better to appear like |dlc = Clockwork City?
 * 23:16:18: TinyClayMan: :::
 * 23:16:20: TinyClayMan: thing?
 * 23:16:20: Amulet of Kings: Did the moot end in the future?
 * 23:16:21: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Maven_Black-Briar
 * 23:16:34: Atvelonis: https://i.gyazo.com/19f610305899879a3da52e7a012231e5.png
 * 23:16:38: Atvelonis: Like, this is too much
 * 23:17:07: Atvelonis: @Tiny: not indentations. I'm just talking about the table of contents
 * 23:17:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: The moot never ends
 * 23:17:25: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: We all die of the moot
 * 23:17:25: KINMUNE: Hello there, Goreadabook1!
 * 23:17:28: Atvelonis: o/
 * 23:17:43: Rozty: basically there's too many titles in the table of contents
 * 23:18:33: Atvelonis: I think just ==Conversations== is enough for these, as far as the TOC is concerned. If we use the semicolon to keep a version of the headers that doesn't show up in the TOC then it remains easy for readers to use but looks better
 * 23:18:33: TinyClayMan: Ah
 * 23:18:39: Nekyn Alb: We all agree, yes?
 * 23:18:44: TinyClayMan: Wait
 * 23:18:57: Nekyn Alb: I haven't seen anyone disagree >:c
 * 23:19:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 23:19:08: Rozty: wait
 * 23:19:19: Rozty: what about eso though?
 * 23:19:23: TinyClayMan: What if those subheaders are removed but the description on when the conversation happen is added
 * 23:19:34: Atvelonis: They happen randomly
 * 23:20:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 23:20:10: TinyClayMan: /What was the proposal?
 * 23:20:16: Rozty: in the case of eso they only happen in quests though, which would make the description necessary right?
 * 23:20:22: Atvelonis: not true
 * 23:20:28: Atvelonis: They have random convos too
 * 23:20:30: TinyClayMan: Rozty, go to Stormhold wayshrine
 * 23:20:32: Rozty: (it was about the dialogue on eso but let's not think about that)
 * 23:20:44: TinyClayMan: There is a scripted dialogue there
 * 23:20:53: Atvelonis: There's a guy in Stonefalls who has one. The blacksmith
 * 23:20:55: TinyClayMan: Nord and Argonian
 * 23:20:56: Atvelonis: Avail avani or something
 * 23:21:01: Atvelonis: Anyway
 * 23:21:06: Rozty: aren't random convos not specific to characters>
 * 23:21:17: Atvelonis: Uhhhh no
 * 23:21:24: Atvelonis: As far as I know
 * 23:21:26: Rozty: (i haven't seen that)
 * 23:21:40: TinyClayMan: (do visit Stormhold)
 * 23:21:49: Rozty: (still in stonefalls)
 * 23:22:04: TinyClayMan: What was proposed, again?
 * 23:22:24: Atvelonis: The proposal is to use ==Dialogue== for NPC w/ player, ==Conversations== for NPC w/ NPC, and ==Quotes== for general things the NPC says. Additionally, we would use the semicolon for the subheaders for Conversations instead of ===
 * 23:22:44: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 23:22:45: Rozty: anyway, the thing i proposed was basically to start formatting eso dialogue and convos similar to skyrim for consistency
 * 23:22:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 23:22:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 23:23:05: Rozty: so what atvel said
 * 23:23:07: Rozty: (+)
 * 23:23:07: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 23:23:12: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 23:23:17: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 23:23:20: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 23:23:24: Atvelonis: 8-0-0
 * 23:23:47: Atvelonis: also it's not codified for Skyrim either. Just fyi
 * 23:23:51: Rozty: and with that i took an hour
 * 23:23:56: TinyClayMan: Clarification: The semicolon would include both characters and quests sections, right?
 * 23:24:01: Rozty: yeah, in general
 * 23:24:17: Atvelonis: Just stuff in the dialogue/conversations sections though
 * 23:24:22: Atvelonis: Not quests underneath ==Interactions==
 * 23:24:34: Rozty: quest related conversations?
 * 23:24:40: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 23:25:34: Atvelonis: Ok so we can do my proposal now?
 * 23:25:45: TinyClayMan: Wait
 * 23:25:57: Nekyn Alb: I don't want to die here
 * 23:26:02: Nekyn Alb: pls
 * 23:26:09: Rozty: too late, your fate has been determined
 * 23:26:46: Nekyn Alb: Nu
 * 23:26:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: /me kills nekyn here and now
 * 23:26:55: Rozty: this is so sad
 * 23:27:02: TinyClayMan: Would semicolons include several characters conversationsunder a single line if they take place in a single quest?
 * 23:27:14: Nekyn Alb: I object
 * 23:27:15: Atvelonis: Yes?
 * 23:27:18: Rozty: KINMUNE, can we play CHIM?
 * 23:27:21: KINMUNE: I'll get back to you on that one.
 * 23:27:33: TinyClayMan: If yes, then it is okay
 * 23:27:50: TinyClayMan: *rests easily*
 * 23:28:04: Rozty: wait, what do you mean a single line
 * 23:28:12: Atvelonis: ohmygod
 * 23:28:22: CatholicPrincess15: I have to go for a bit, be back ASAP.
 * 23:28:28: Atvelonis: ;The Queen's Decree
 * 23:28:29: Rozty: (i'm sorry, i'm just confused)
 * 23:28:33: Atvelonis: and all dialogue for the quest would be under that
 * 23:28:34: Rozty: ah opk
 * 23:28:38: Rozty: ok*
 * 23:29:01: Atvelonis: For very long sections on NPC articles I think we should use the collapsibles
 * 23:29:04: Atvelonis: But that's a different topic
 * 23:29:06: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Crusader of Truth!
 * 23:29:08: Atvelonis: next month
 * 23:29:09: Atvelonis: Anyway
 * 23:29:11: TinyClayMan: Greetings
 * 23:29:12: Atvelonis: Hi Crus
 * 23:29:16: The Crusader of Truth: o/
 * 23:29:17: Rozty: last topic
 * 23:29:20: Rozty: salvation is neatr
 * 23:29:24: Rozty: near*
 * 23:29:36: Nekyn Alb: Ayo o/
 * 23:29:57: TinyClayMan: This one should be short (I think)
 * 23:30:18: Atvelonis: Alright so when ESO came out we adopted a template system similar to what we had done with Skyrim and the other games; that is, entirely new templates for every single DLC. This works fine for Skyrim, which has only 2 major DLCs. However, it does not work very well for ESO, which has 6 so far and 1 coming soon (Imperial City, Orsinium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, ESO Morrowind, Summerset, Murkmire)
 * 23:30:22: The Crusader of Truth: The fact I was asleep at 3 and still managed to make it to the moot says something
 * 23:30:42: Nekyn Alb: Wolfhunter
 * 23:30:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: moot started an hour late
 * 23:30:46: Nekyn Alb: Clockwork City
 * 23:30:52: Atvelonis: As you can see, from game to DLC the templates are literally exactly the same
 * 23:30:55: Atvelonis: And yeah that too
 * 23:30:56: TinyClayMan: Horns of the Reach
 * 23:31:01: Atvelonis: Just goes to prove my point
 * 23:31:01: Rozty: lol
 * 23:31:02: The Crusader of Truth: Oh sorta fair
 * 23:31:02: TinyClayMan: And another one
 * 23:31:06: Nekyn Alb: Shadows of the Hist
 * 23:31:07: Atvelonis: There are a LOT of these
 * 23:31:08: The Crusader of Truth: Anyway moot time
 * 23:31:11: Rozty: dragon bones
 * 23:31:15: TinyClayMan: yes
 * 23:31:24: The Crusader of Truth: Literally like 10 templates
 * 23:31:24: Nekyn Alb: /dungeon DLCs aren't real DLCs/
 * 23:31:30: The Crusader of Truth: ^
 * 23:31:36: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 23:31:39: Atvelonis: What we should do is, instead of having individual sets of infoboxes for every single one, which are incredibly annoying to maintain, we should condense it into one set
 * 23:31:43: Atvelonis: For example
 * 23:31:55: Ab'duul: i just finished my first raid
 * 23:31:57: Rozty: inferior dlc
 * 23:32:03: Ab'duul: and i had the highest damage output
 * 23:32:05: Atvelonis: All of the ESO character infoboxes would be changed to and we would add a variable at the top with a switch for the DLC
 * 23:32:06: Ab'duul: as a tank
 * 23:32:07: Rozty: and mahor dlc
 * 23:32:07: Ab'duul: lmao
 * 23:32:09: Rozty: major
 * 23:32:13: Atvelonis: e.g. |dlc = clockworkcity
 * 23:32:14: Nekyn Alb: Everything is inferior to CwC
 * 23:32:21: Atvelonis: And that would toggle the unique categories
 * 23:32:27: Ab'duul: i didnt fall down once either
 * 23:32:28: Atvelonis: So that our categorization system would not break
 * 23:32:30: Ab'duul: i didnt need to be ressed
 * 23:32:31: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 23:32:35: Ab'duul: FeelsGoodMan
 * 23:32:38: Rozty: yes pls
 * 23:32:41: Nekyn Alb: Your categorization system sucks too (kappa)
 * 23:32:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: that way, we also won't have situations where someone accidentally puts almost 100 characters in the wrong categories when creating their articles
 * 23:32:47: TinyClayMan: /CwC is sadly not in Collector's Edition
 * 23:32:53: Nekyn Alb: I make them for every DLC on DE
 * 23:32:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i totally didn't do that btw
 * 23:32:57: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: totally
 * 23:32:57: Atvelonis: Haha
 * 23:32:57: Rozty: is yours any different then (kappa)
 * 23:33:14: Atvelonis: Any questions about/objections to my proposal?
 * 23:33:27: The Crusader of Truth: Yea one sec
 * 23:33:31: Nekyn Alb: Was that directed at me, Rozty?
 * 23:33:34: Rozty: we are not talking about chapters right?
 * 23:33:35: Rozty: and yes
 * 23:33:39: TinyClayMan: |dlc = clockworkcity
 * 23:33:46: The Crusader of Truth: Heck nevermind
 * 23:33:50: Nekyn Alb: I meant categories. We got like twenty infoboxes lmao
 * 23:33:54: Atvelonis: Not important
 * 23:33:56: Amulet of Kings: I don't understand what you are proposing
 * 23:33:58: The Crusader of Truth: The category thing didn't show up, I was going to ask exactly what you said
 * 23:33:58: Atvelonis: I can do both
 * 23:34:02: Atvelonis: So we are voting whether to condense the ESO DLC infoboxes into one set and add variables in each condensed one that allow us to toggle the correct categories
 * 23:34:13: Atvelonis: @Amulet instead of 10 infoboxes there would be 1
 * 23:34:21: Atvelonis: Because all 10 are literally identical except for categories
 * 23:34:28: Atvelonis: And we would use a function to get the categories working still
 * 23:34:43: Rozty: so are we separating chapters and dlc or not?
 * 23:34:46: Amulet of Kings: Ad the categories are implied with |dlc ?
 * 23:34:55: Nekyn Alb: Chapters are a bad way to separate
 * 23:34:57: Atvelonis: @Roz: treat the same
 * 23:34:59: Atvelonis: @Amulet: yes
 * 23:35:03: The Crusader of Truth: The categories would be done with the variable yeah
 * 23:35:05: TinyClayMan: Chapters had infoboxes too
 * 23:35:12: Nekyn Alb: Zeni doesn't treat ESOMW as a chapter
 * 23:35:21: Rozty: so condense all of them
 * 23:35:23: Atvelonis: Chapters aren't really that much different from the other major DLCs
 * 23:35:27: Atvelonis: I would like to condense all of them
 * 23:35:37: Atvelonis: is just as useless as
 * 23:35:39: Amulet of Kings: They are all explasions after all
 * 23:35:41: Nekyn Alb: physical and larger DLCs
 * 23:35:59: Amulet of Kings: They will end up being ordinary DLC in a year
 * 23:36:02: Atvelonis: Any other problems?
 * 23:36:05: Rozty: then just make it more clear if one is a chapter or just dlc in the infobox?
 * 23:36:16: TinyClayMan: It doesn't matter, Rozty
 * 23:36:17: Atvelonis: different topic
 * 23:36:18: Nekyn Alb: Ignore "chapter"
 * 23:36:20: Rozty: eh
 * 23:36:30: Atvelonis: They're all DLC, even if Zen doesn't want to call them DLC
 * 23:36:35: Rozty: i'm good then
 * 23:36:38: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 23:36:38: Nekyn Alb: You can buy ESOMW on the crown store now, lol
 * 23:36:51: Rozty: not even, it comes with the base game
 * 23:37:01: Atvelonis: So we are voting whether to condense the ESO DLC infoboxes into one set and add variables in each condensed one that allow us to toggle the correct categories
 * 23:37:02: Nekyn Alb: Unless you played for years of course
 * 23:37:03: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 23:37:06: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 23:37:07: Atvelonis: 2-0-0
 * 23:37:08: Rozty: (+)
 * 23:37:08: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 23:37:08: The Crusader of Truth: (+)
 * 23:37:09: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 23:37:14: Atvelonis: 6-0-0
 * 23:37:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 23:37:16: The Crusader of Truth: Want me to ping everyone?
 * 23:37:23: Atvelonis: 7-0-0 sure crus
 * 23:37:38: The Crusader of Truth: Yay I love being disruptive
 * 23:37:42: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Bitch that's not ragnar the red
 * 23:37:50: Nekyn Alb: wha
 * 23:37:51: The Crusader of Truth: @everyone  vote plz
 * 23:37:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 23:38:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Oh there we go
 * 23:38:03: Nekyn Alb: I am proud to have voted for Trump
 * 23:38:06: Poisoned apples: soz (+)
 * 23:38:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Sing bitch sing
 * 23:38:21: Atvelonis: 9-0-0
 * 23:38:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nekyn, you don't get to vote in american elections
 * 23:38:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: go vote AFD or something
 * 23:38:34: Amulet of Kings: When are the topics of the moot cleared? I want to add a topic for the next moot
 * 23:38:36: Nekyn Alb: I get to vote for any dictator that pleases me
 * 23:38:46: Atvelonis: @Amulet: once the moot is over
 * 23:38:52: Nekyn Alb: I can vote for a communist party
 * 23:39:05: Atvelonis: Are there any other topics for this month?
 * 23:39:08: Rozty: i guess the moot is over now?
 * 23:39:08: Amulet of Kings: It's not communism if you can vote
 * 23:39:23: TinyClayMan: There actually were elections in USSR
 * 23:39:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: why get your dictators elsewhere when you can grow them at home? vote AFD
 * 23:39:28: Nekyn Alb: The fascist dictators were voted into power too
 * 23:39:29: Atvelonis: No?
 * 23:39:29: Rozty: i had the last one but i already presented it
 * 23:39:32: Nekyn Alb: We're weird in Germany
 * 23:39:33: TinyClayMan: No, Atv
 * 23:39:33: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 23:39:35: Atvelonis: Then by the power vested in me by Todd Howard, I declare this moot complete