User talk:Vincentius1/Archive 2

Re: Archiving talk page
By default, nothing is actually selected when you use the ArchiveTool (counter-intuitive, I know). You can either manually click every line that you want to archive (blue is selected, white is deselected), or just hit "select all" and then save that. In your case I would just do the latter, much easier than doing it by hand. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:52, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Seyda Neen (Morrowind)
Hey Vincentius, hope your day is going fine! Quick question, I noticed in Seyda Neen you removed a "Cities in Morrowind" category. I just wanted to ask why? I'm assuming it's because of it being a town in Morrowind, but I wanted to ask as "Cities in Morrowind" is a category for any city, regardless of game and I didn't know if you made a mistake or not? Thank you for your understanding,

Re: Click to show/hide bar
Hi Vincent,

You're going to have to use a collapsible table for that. I've added it to your sub user page.—CarloV3r (talk) 19:32, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Holidays
I see no problem with adding that information if you think it is relevant. I don't think we have alot about holidays in Arena on this wiki anyway. The Cat Master (talk) 19:52, September 4, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Winterhold (Region)
Sure thing. My bad. I was wondering why you would do that. The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 14:35, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

Re: AkulakhanBot
I don't know what the situation with that bot is. I think Atvelonis needs to be active to use it. I wasn't given any rights to operate it, even if I was, I never used bots before so i don't know how to use it yet. The Cat Master (talk) 01:14, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * The bot has the capability to run automatically, but it still needs an operator to give it that command. I'm mostly busy this week but I have Thursday off; if your tasks are recorded on my bot tasklist, I can try to get a few done then. I'm relatively confident that my workload will lighten up by October/November, though, so I should be able to return to full activity soon. —Atvelonis (talk) 01:21, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello. I noticed the task on the bot list and decided to take a look, the City Isles request has only 62 pages and I should be able to easily do it by hand tomorrow, or would you prefer the bot? The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 23:22, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Awesome, I'll try to get on it first thing tomorrow when I get home. I'm going to leave task on the bots page until it gets done. The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 23:45, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Just letting you two know that I fixed majority of the links. The only ones I didn't touch are the links for this page, which needs to converted into a full fledged lore page. Starkiller131 (talk) 17:28, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Retcons
I noticed you are working on a list of ESO retcons. Anywho, I came across Ruminations on the Elder Scrolls (Online) and was wondering if would be worth adding. It was written by Septimus Signus, from. As far as I know, there is no explanation in ESO as to how a book authored by somebody who lived nearly 1000 years in the future could end up in the second era. The Cat Master (talk) 19:29, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Infernal City edits
Hi Vicentius, I don't know what you mean by "having" the pages, I'm relatively new to editing. I think the Prologue pague is fine, and the project page has also important information. I have a bunch of topics I want to cover first though.Amulet of Kings (talk) 15:18, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

I understood it now, you can give me both pages. Amulet of Kings (talk) 16:17, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Re:March of Glenpoint
I completely understand what you're saying, and about the location. I removed the categories because redirects don't have any categories besides their redirect category. – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 23:44, October 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * Since I've been wrong before (I'm fair from perfect, as you've seen already lol,) I'm going to talk to the other staff about it, but if so, I'll check over the redirects. It's no major deal, I just try to correct what I see. Thanks for calling me out on it, I'll see what everyone says and I'll get back to you on it. – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 23:52, October 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey again. I discussed categories with Atvelonis and Cat Master, and both agreed that there should only be redirect related categories on redirects. Don't worry about your previous redirect pages, they're no big deal, and I can review them. Thanks, and cya around the wiki! – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 02:12, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

TES novels references
Just let you know that in the last moot changing the references for TES novels was decided. They must include the part and the chapter the info is taken from. This is because people reading an ebook or a book in another language can also locate the information.Amulet of Kings (talk) 13:21, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Something very important
Don't worry, it's no bother. It's pronounced Hughston. I've known people who have been to NYC, who said that some locals will correct them if they pronounce the street Hughston instead of Houseton. The Cat Master (talk) 00:40, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

Dawnstar
Hey Vincent,

When I came across the Dawnstar page, I saw that Danstrar was used as a synonym. I was wondering if there's any other mention of Danstrar aside from Ice and Chitin? Any clue?

Thanks, Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 12:15, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
You've been doing an insane amount of writing recently; it's seriously impressive. Oh, and I promise I'll get to your bot tasks for Akulakhan one of these days... there's just so much to do, haha. Well don't slack off with the edits, you're doing fantastic. Have a great weekend man. :) —Atvelonis (talk) 02:49, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Winterhold pages
Yeah, that's one of the messiest naming schemes we have. One solution is to simply extend the length of the article suffixes, similar to what we did for the Skyrim variants of the Knife. In the case of Winterhold, we could do something like this, perhaps:
 * Winterhold – Disambiguation page
 * Winterhold (Region) – Lore page about the region
 * Winterhold (City) – Lore page about the city
 * Winterhold (Arena) – Arena page about the city
 * Winterhold (Skyrim Hold) – Skyrim page about the Hold
 * Winterhold (Skyrim City) – Skyrim page about the city

That's quite messy too, but perhaps slightly less ambiguous than what we currently have. If Winterhold is added to ESO, which as you mentioned isn't an impossibility, it would be very confusing to keep up the current naming scheme. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:13, October 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * You can do it now if you'd like. I should be able to have Akulakhan fix all the links this evening. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:07, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

Collapsible table
Just a quick note about the collapsible table you added here: you accidentally used  twice, while it should actually say   the second time. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:13, November 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem. I like that you're including all the holidays on the city pages: they're a nice touch. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:22, November 2, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Wrothgar
Sorry for the late response. I have some errands to run this afternoon but I should be able to handle it in the evening, no problem. —Atvelonis (talk) 17:20, November 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * I probably won't have time to finish quite all of it today; there are quite a few links there. I'll continue tomorrow evening if necessary. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:19, November 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * Done. By the way, I restructured the bot page today, so if you want me to get something done quickly then put it in the "High priority" list and I'll try to finish it ASAP. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:09, November 6, 2017 (UTC)

Navboxes
A quick note: you don't have to place a template like Daggerfall Location Nav on an article like Sentinel (Daggerfall) (the city page) because it actually isn't even linked on there. That particular template would only belong on the region page. —Atvelonis (talk) 06:44, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Orsinium quote in Novels
Hi Vincent,

Sorry for not answering before, I've been quite busy recently. The part where Mazgar talks about the siege of Orsinium in is Part One Chapter Six:

Mine died when I was seven,” Mazgar said. “At the sack of Orsinium. They say she killed thirty before death took her.”

“My mom didn’t die in a battle. She just got sick.” The girl cocked her head. “Who was your mom fighting?”

“Redguards and Bretons,” Mazgar replied.

“You became an Imperial soldier because of her?”

“I became a soldier because of her. I became an Imperial soldier because if it hadn’t been for the Seventh and Fifteenth legions, a lot more of us would have died. They put themselves in harm’s way for us, got the survivors to safety in Skyrim.”

“Kind of like what you’re doing now.”

Mazgar remembered the terror, the chaos, the walk that went on for weeks through bitter cold—and never having enough to eat. “Let’s hope not,” she said.Amulet of Kings (talk) 14:49, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

Sotha Sil and Divayth Fyr
Hey Vindentius. I hope you're having a good day?

Sorry to bug you, but I wanted to ask you something. I was recently reading Sotha Sil's Last Words... and I wanted to ask you what the connection was between Sotha and Divayth, if you know? I'm currently looking into other sources, but I was wondering if you could maybe run down a few basics and sources if you have the time. Sorry if I sound a bit rude, I honestly don't really know how to ask these questions. Thanks for your time. – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 02:01, January 8, 2018 (UTC)


 * Since I don't have access to Clockwork City, do you know anything specific about what they do/say in Clockwork? If that's a little redundant then my bad, just I don't have access to ESO since my computer can't run it anymore. – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 02:39, January 8, 2018 (UTC)


 * This is gold considering I haven't found anything else. Do you have any good sources on Sotha Sil? – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 04:12, January 8, 2018 (UTC)


 * This information is awesome. That should be all I have to bug you with. Thanks! – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 04:30, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

Re: More Dragon Bones stuff
Heyo Vincentius,

Atvelonis decided he was going to be mean and steal the job from me this time as I currently have all four spots on the main page taken up. I'm definitely going to refer him to what you sent me though, so thanks for the extra information. I know he'll appreciate it, I know if I had to do it still I would. – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 17:19, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

"House Sandil"
Hi Vincentius, wanted to ask you right quick if you knew anything about a "House Sandil." One of our pages reference it, Gorne, and it's only mentioned in the Poison Song. I would read over it, but I don't have time to right now. Do you know if it's actually real or not? Personally, I don't think it is, but if it is, can you expand it a bit? Thanks in advance. – The Crusader of Truth (talk – chat) 01:08, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Quest name formatting
Hey, just a quick note: SF:QUEST stipulates that in-line uses of quest names should have quotation marks around them to signify that it's a quest. This wouldn't be done if the quest name is the only text in each entry of a bulleted list, but it would be done when referring to the quest in the body of an article or in a reference. Also, I'll be sure to get to the Ayrenn links with the bot as soon as possible, sorry for the delay. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:41, January 19, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Ulfric Stormcloak Page
I've added the new image to the Ulfric Stormcloak page as requested, but I'm not sure if the Lore: Kings category is really necessary here. Even if you win the Civil War for the Stormcloaks, I believe he officially just remains Jarl, even if he is the de facto High King. After the quest "Battle for Solitude" he says, "And it is for these reasons that I cannot accept the mantle of "High King." Not until the Moot declares that title should adorn my shoulders will I accept it." —Atvelonis (talk) 21:39, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Lore Creatures template
Infoboxes generally aren't so tough, as templates go. Wikia even has this new "Infobox Builder" tool to speed up the process, although I personally find it very annoying to use, and it cannot be applied to all templates. Our infoboxes are slightly weird in that some of them (including creature infoboxes) are designed around an overarching template of their category (in this case Creature) which provides the background code for the game-specific templates.

Using meta-templates can be confusing if overdone, but I think this actually simplifies things somewhat if you're working in Source (which I would recommend pretty much whenever possible). Essentially, for a game-specific creature infobox to work, it pulls data from Creature, which has creature-related variables used across multiple game templates for creatures, such as MorrowindCreatures, OblivionCreatures, and SkyrimCreatures.

For example, in Creature is used to define   in SkyrimCreatures, which in turn means that on articles it has to be written as   for it to display anything (case sensitive). This way you don't have to write all of the  stuff on the game-specific templates, which improves readability for editors to an extent. Neat, right?

Generally, when creating infoboxes, the best thing to do is to adapt your new template off of an existing one. I would suggest copy+pasting the code from SkyrimCreatures into LoreCreatures, then removing variables that aren't relevant to your template and adding ones that are. If you want to add a totally new variable, you would have to add it to the code of Creature in the same format it has there (just copy+paste another line and change what needs to be changed).

However, unless they are crucial, try to avoid too many new variables: they generally aren't necessary (e.g. "environment" or "similar creatures," which would be better off explained in the body of the article). Here's my suggestion for variables:


 * Image – Image of the creature.
 * Type – The species, such as Bear, Minotaur, Daedroth, etc.
 * Location – Where the creature is, such as Skyrim, Cyrodiil, etc.

So the code for that which you would put in the template is this:

This doesn't look like a lot, but you really don't need a lot: there's no use stuffing the template with clutter. Documentation for your infobox should be stored in LoreCreatures/doc, a subpage of the template name. It must include a blank version of the template and can optionally have some related info. See SkyrimCreatures/doc for an example to copy+paste: you don't need to include a whole table in there if you don't want, just the blank template and documentation category are enough. You should definitely not be including any humanoid entities in this, as they would be classified as characters (even if they are hostile). Hope that helps! Let me know if you have any more questions. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:18, February 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention this yesterday, but if you're redirected to the Infobox Builder while creating a template, there should be a little "[ ]" button on the bottom right-hand corner to switch to Source. —Atvelonis (talk) 21:16, February 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * Creatures (even dragons) shouldn't really use character infoboxes: that's a mistake on the Odahviing (Skyrim) article. Anyway, remember that you don't have to use every single variable on all pages: I'd suggest using "Type" in the way I described for any unique groups of creatures. For example, on the Frost Troll page you would link to Trolls, whereas for Bear you would just leave it blank. That difference isn't a problem.


 * Infoboxes quickly summarize legitimate material on a topic: broader information can be somewhat subjective/selectively chosen, which can be misleading for readers. It can be explored more thoroughly in the body of an article, but in an infobox it's questionable. Notice how we try to keep data within infoboxes qualitative (e.g. writing the exact level on Bear (Skyrim) rather than just saying "low"), or, when that is not possible, something verifiable and not arbitrary (e.g. the soul size being "Lesser," which you can prove definitively in-game).


 * If you get more vague then you're getting into subjective territory. Describing a minotaur as "mystical" in the infobox, for example, is a personal distinction, not an official one. However, I suppose creature environments are perhaps a little less subjective than this because you can observe this in the games, so it might be acceptable to include them if you are consistent. —Atvelonis (talk) 01:15, February 8, 2018 (UTC)


 * You can avoid it by clicking the Source icon in the corner, in the whitespace underneath the "add infobox elements" section. Looks like this. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:34, February 8, 2018 (UTC)

Brothers of Strife
I fixed the Brothers of Strife links referring to the location, but it would be a good idea to create an article about the creatures and either fix those links or put it back on my bot page; many of the remaining links are talking about them rather than the ruin. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:13, March 31, 2018 (UTC)

Image licensing
Hey, when you're uploading images in the future you can use one of the pre-filled licensing templates on this page. These should have all the proper categories and everything, so just paste it into the "Summary" box on Special:Upload and don't select anything for the "Licensing" tab on that page as the licensing info is included in the template. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:31, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

Re: A Request
It really depends on the size of the region and the amount of lore it has. Chances are, if it appears in only one game, there is almost nothing you can talk about on the lore article that cannot be talked about with equal relevance on an in-game/lore combination article. So, for instance, if all you can write about in a lore region page is what happens in that region in plus a couple obscure/irrelevant historical references, I wouldn't bother. Splitting a page at that point is just needlessly duplicating information and doesn't actually make things easier for readers; if anything, it just makes things more annoying for them, and for maintenance editors too. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:25, April 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * If you believe there is substantial amount of lore to talk about for those regions, equivalent to somewhere like, say, Vvardenfell, go ahead and split the pages. Remember, though, that pages are split to improve the ease of access of content for readers. We try only to do this if the amount of lore on a topic is broad enough that it actually becomes a burden on an otherwise game-focused article. Having a couple paragraphs of history on a game page is not an issue. Having ten (arbitrary big number) long ones might be. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the histories of these regions to offer particularly useful/specific input on them, but I will chime in if I think you're segmenting content unnecessarily. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:55, April 12, 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't automatically have an issue with that approach because everything happening in a city in Stormhaven is, naturally, also happening in Stormhaven. You just have to be careful that you aren't writing fluff. So yes, as long as you don't focus too much on details that are only relevant to locations within Stormhaven, that works. And I'm not bothered by the questions, that's why my talk page exists! —Atvelonis (talk) 16:07, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Stormhaven links
Sorry, I was working on Summerset content earlier and didn't have time to do much bot work. I should be able to handle the Stormhaven links this afternoon/evening. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:38, April 19, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Sunhold & Dusk Keep images
Yes, I've been getting stuff from the PTS lately. I'm doing a thorough sweep of Shimmerene right now, so I might not be done for a week or something (not exactly sure since it's kinda big). I can head south for Sunhold and Dusk Keep after that though, certainly. Do you have a specific deadline, or should I just aim for soon-ish? —Atvelonis (talk) 00:46, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Steam images
Hey, when you upload promotional material from Steam, you can get a higher-res image by right-clicking on the picture and opening it in a new tab, and after that you can zoom in and download the file. Whereas if you simply download the thumbnail it's much a much lower-resolution image. Also try to include a link to the store page in the source box if it's from there. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:02, April 24, 2018 (UTC)