Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-25343239-20150128215539/@comment-25343239-20180302204242

72.69.233.109 wrote: Hopefully I can clear up a few things:

1) Daedra in general are immortal and cannot be killed. When their physical forms are destroyed, their essence is carried back to oblivion. In short, they are banished back to where they came from. Daedra are NEVER killed. When defeated, they are ONLY EVER banished. This is what happens when the player kills any daedra and also what happens when Vivec destroys Azura's physical form. When sent back to Oblivion, the daedra's essence will slowly reform back to its natural state. This reformation process can be very painful and possibly take decades or centuries. So with this in mind, Vivec did indeed take his revenge on Azura; causing her a great deal of pain and hardship.

2) Daedra lack the ability to come and go from nirn to oblivion at will. They can only traverse to the mortal plane with man/mer intervention. This is done through rituals or pacts, sometimes involving specific objects or tools. When the Dunmer summoned Azura for example, they were required to wait for a specific day, and had to use  "Azura's Star, an antler from the Wild Hunter King Dead Wolf-Dear, a ringlet from Alandro Sul's Wraithmail, and the permanently torn shadow of one of the court members". Only lesser daedra can be conjured with magic and in these cases, only for a short time before returning to Oblivion.

By opening an oblivion gate, like we see in Elder Scrolls 4, the daedra can move freely between Nirn and Oblivion as they like. THAT is why is the events of the elder scrolls 4 were so dangerous. If daedra can come as they please, there is no way to control them. They can destroy or kill without pause.

3) So in conclusion, the Oblivion Crisis did have a substantial effect. The world was in grave danger and the Hero of Kvatch's intervention saved man/mer from mass destruction.

4) We can still contact daedra because after being banished, they reform.

5) We see Daedric Princes like Nocturnal and Hermaeus Mora, entering the world in Skyrim, only through the use of objects or rituals like i mentioned before. Nocturnal uses her Skeleton Key and Hermaeus uses the Black Books. They still cannot enter the mortal plane of their own free will.

6) Vivec got as much revenge on Azura as he possibly could. She cannot die, and so he banished her back to Oblivion. This caused her great pain and hardship and most likely took her many years to reform. After she had fully reformed however, she can then carry on as she did before, and communicate with mortals, etc. I appreciate the reply. Haven't posted on this forum in years but recently started to replay Morrowind so I have taken an interest again. Hope people are willing to chat about this.

On 1 and 6) - You make very good points. Azura was giving missions in Oblivion which took place very soon after the trial. 3E429 is when the trial took place. 3E433 is when Oblivion takes place.  ​​​​​ So I perhaps it took her 3 years to reform. That's crap revenge in my opinion but I suppose it did embarass Azura... so... +1 for Vivec.

On 5) - Sanguine enters the mortal realm of his own free will.

Martin's words were:

"The amulet is shattered. Dagon is defeated. With the Dragon's Blood and the Amulet of Kings we have sealed the gates of oblivion forever. The last of the Septims passes now into history. I go gladly, for I know my sacrifice is not in vain. I take my place with my father, and my father's fathers. The third age has ended, and a new age has dawned."

Some gates are sealed, sure. But not all of them, apparently.

Martin was wrong.

The crisis of the day ended which was important but Dagon teleported some Dremora into the Dragonborn's presence during the Mehrunes' Razor quest. So perhaps if someone built a giant razor (lol) or tapped into it's power even further, Dagon could manifest even more Dremora and other creatures.

Also, Sheogorath was destroyed and replaced by The Champion of Cyrodill who became the new Sheogorath. It is also my understanding that Lorkhan was killed in order to creatre Nirn. So I think in some rare cases Daedra and Aedra can be destroyed.

I have also heard that if a Daedra's entire realm is destroyed then they can be killed. Has anyone else heard that?