Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-16060423-20130930190945/@comment-184.175.3.11-20140310071622

69.111.143.25 wrote: Nords on everge are stronger than orcs and redgaurds. With the redguards having more endurance on average as the Nord male and female had 50 strength while only the redguard male had 50 strength. Also agility is completely different than brawn, someone can do a front flip and be very weak. Are the worlds strongest men agile? no they are bulky and huge. Another thing, nords are taller and larger than redguards, so that should give them more potential for gaining muscle. Redguards- most athletic, kind of like a runningback in football. Orcs- most endurcance and toughness. Nords-most brute strength Again if you wanna use gameplay stats you still have to take into account Adrenline Rush which guess what, makes the Redguards twice as strong, twice as fast, twice as durable as the Nords and Berserk which does pretty much the same for the Orcs though albeit not as good as Adrenline Rush. I mean really using gameplay logic the Orcs are overall more intelligent that Redguards and Nords because females have a 40.... This is why you shouldn't use gameplay mechanics to judge at all.

That wiki article also says MOST elves and Orcs aren't like most mers. Plus that sentence also has no source or reference for it either. Physically a Dunmer is easily more stronger than an Imperial or Breton lore or gameplay wise which really puts men and mer at equal footing.

Also wars do not indicate anything about how indiviually strong a race is espescially considering how few in numbers Orcs are, otherwise the Dunmer would be stronger than the Nords given they defeated the Nords twice at Red Mountain. The only source for that Nordic-Orc war in this wikia come from the book "Varieties of faith in the Empire" which says absolutely nothing about a Nord chieftain slaying Maloch. Hell the book doesn't even stated that the Nords fought the Orcs only that Malouch troubled the heirs of Harald for a time. Harald is the 13th generation descendant of Ysgramor, and Ysgramor's line died out with Borgas in 1E 369 and the Battle of Dragon Wall took place in 1E 660. In fact the source contradicts the article when it says that Mauloch fled east after the Battle of the Dragon Wall and filled the sky with rage so how could he have been killed? Also that same article also says the location of the war was in High Rock and the Nords lost High Rock after Borgas death so it makes even less sense. Seriousily this wikia is absolutely terrible with articles, UESP and Imperial Library are really the only reliable ones. Unless the Articles in this wikia has a reference or source that supports what is written you shouldn't believe what it says.

I acutally agree that lorewise Nords are generally more stronger physically than Redguards, but Orcs are still the strongest for many reason but here are some

-Selective breeding: in Skyrim ONLY the strongest Orcs (namely the Orc cheiftains) are allowed to reproduce whereas any Nord whether they be badass or milk drinker can. This ensures unlike other races Orc offsprings will always be strong

-Culture: Orcish society has been the only one shown to be the most harsh (blood price) and the only one completety dedicated to martial pursuits. Also unlike other races Orcs will try to seek their deaths before they become old and weak.

- The Orismer are literally descended from the strongest and most powerful Et'ada in existence. Of all the original Gods/spirits that became a part of Mundas, Trinnimac was the strongest and most powerful. He only became Malacath after being tricked by Boethiah during the Velothi Exodus.