Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-25513154-20150618205343

For those saying things like;

(I could also argue that based on dialog where you bring an axe to ulfric, not knowinf Nordic customs could on its own prove you're not in fact a nord)

The dragonborn doesn't even know about the great war.

Also the remember the lack of realism in this war (not killing Yarls is immersion breaking and then having those Yarls alive in the opposing faction hold ALIVE.)-(Beth didn't get to finish the quest, they said so themselfs-They also forgot the CITYS from their OWN LORE),

Remember Maven and her connections to the empire/ Thalmore Elenwen. -(curroption)- The number of people she has killed, jailed or imprisoned into slavery. Also this is just one person that's apart of the empire,  invision the curroption at the heart of the empire. That dead empire is unable to make a real move without the Thalmore (spys or traitors) telling them to do so. Do u really think Maven would accept no empire in skyrim or think that Ulfric hasn't noticed the curroption in the rift? Ulfric already stated he notice people are being pocketed in the rift, b ut this part of the game was rushed so nothing happens.

- Elisif will sell out skyrim to the Thalmore (Also remember that the players kills hers and Erikur takes her place. But who wants Erikur on the throne he would do the same.)

Imagine the amount of dead, that would pile up if the empire "wins"  collateral damage, beheadings, Talos worshippers being put down by the empire, Thalmore going through peoples houses then capturing them to kill or tourture them (Ogmund), Thalmore raiding/killing people on the streets, Imperials with there crimes such as this Azzada- (remember how he stated;

When you ask about mean people passing through, he'll rant:  "Both the Imperials and Stormcloaks have sent riders this way, scouting the bridge and the lands nearby. They stayed at the inn, but didn't pay. They said soldiers don't need to pay because they're risking their lives to protect us. And that's not all. They took a heap of our lumber, and one tried to have his way with my daughter. They think they can do whatever they want."

Notice that only the empire has Dragon bridge, so the onces affecting  Azzada  are the imperials because stormcloaks wouldn't take that hold untill the battle for Solitude. Plus the stormcloaks are the scouts, they have a small camp near by and y would stormcloaks stay at a imperial inn?

All that curroption in dead Empire's core (people like Maven, Elenwen and Amaund Motierre) with them taking 20 plus years to recover even before Ulfric started his rebellion shows they were on its death bed waiting for the final hit.

If the Empire "wins" there would be even More rebellions everywhere, Cyrodill is already in strife. U don't think all these innocent people dieing off by the thalmore and the empire aren't piling up or going un-noticed?

Remember the Empire already sold out their only reason to be alive to the Thalmore. The almost exact force Tiber septim was trying to wipe out. Notice that Wulf in Morrowind told the Neve that the empire was about die when he dies.

Honestly did the empire get better after Tiber Died? No it didn't. Then the events of the oblivion crisis and The Great War secured the empire on its death bed. The rebelllions everywhere are the final blow (even if all of them were stopped the empire would bleed out and die froms spreading its forced to he extreme.)

Remember what Cicero said the Imperial PROVINCE is ravaged with STRIFE. They can't help anyone if they can't help themselves.

Also remember that the db is a nord (read by post above) The 50% resitance to cold can only explain how the dragonborn doesn't seem to be affected by the weather (He's not a snow Elf because of the dawnguard expansion). The axe Wuuthrad was Given to the db, shows that he's not a Elf or breton. Other races (redgaurd or Imperials) would be freezing over in the cold.

The weather conditions also gives the Stormcloak soliders a higher advantage of winning holds.

Lastly the DBH once u look at BOTH sides of the quest u would realize either side u do almost everyone dies. Only the night mother and the db was needed. It "could" be they had intention of letting Cicero lead the night mother to the player or the player finds them again to actually start the quest where the night mother speaks to the db.

Also remember Babbete is no where to be found. Also remember Beths bias on killing ki.ds, total immersion break. (They wanted the player to kill the Emperor.)

Skyrim is missing holds and villages. The ones in skyrim are unrealistically small and are missing jobs,business, homes and npcs. check out cutting room floor mod and ledgendary citys mod. heres a map of how the world "would" have some what looked like-

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/792938544876653814/9C28AFCECDDCC4EB245FFF1A342FECBBA7A7CD6F/

or just look at a logical persepective. In game they keep mentioning how some of these places are villages when there supposed to be towns by the Fourth Era. These town aren't towns because the calculation of things like bandits to npcs is unrealsitic. Secondly why are they so little villages? The Barenziah story mentions how she's from hold in skyrim that isn't in game. These things could have changed the sands of battle but as beth already stated that part of the game isn't finished.