Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-11276487-20130713025241/@comment-11345660-20130721013808

Man of steak wrote:

Well Im about to tear a sun sized hole in your logic.

1) "Daedra don't die." Uh, yeah, we kinew that already. They're immortal. So? So are the divines.

2) The divines didn't just create Nirn, they created Mundus. All of it, which is basically the entire universe according to lore.

3) Yeah, Akatosh regained his power. What's your point? I thought the Daedra were supposed to be MORE powerful in your point of view, not less. You just contradicted your own argument.

4) Uh, let's wait until TESO actually comes out before we make assumptions, hmm? Besides, yeah, so Molag Bal has anchors? Big wupp. If Molag Bal is so powerful, how can a tiny amulet stop all of them from getting inside Nirn? Its IMBUED WITH THE POWER OF AKATOSH, who is a boss by the way. And the mortals don;t need the amulet any more because it was destroyed in the Oblivion Crisis.

5) Yeah, so the Daedra have artifacts? So wha? That doesn;t mean the Wabbajack is the world's most powerful weapon or the Skeleton Key, which can open locks, (OPEN LOCKS?! OMG!!! THAT"S SO POWERFUL! THE WAY ITS JUST A LOCKPICK THAT DOESN"T BREAK!!! OH THE HUMANITY!) is not the world's most powerful artifact. What about Auriel's Bow? That was pretty awesome. Or how about the Staff of Magnus? Pretty awesome. OR the Amulet of Kings for that matter. Able to hold off all the daedra from coming into Nirn on their own accord and Akatosh is still incapactiated. I know he can warp time and all, but if he was incapacitated, how could he regain his strength by warping time? He wouldn't be able to do that because he had no power left, and even still he is ableto hold off all the daedra from Nirn in his sleep. Go Akatosh, go.

6) The Dwemer probably knew a whole lot more about the Divines then you do ,good sir. These people stood up Azura with a box. I think they could figure out what the planets were. Also, no, the divines didn;t rise up into the sky and tore a hole into Aeitherus or however you spell it. It was Magnus, and the other dudes like spirits or something followed him and made the stars. So you see. The divines are ten times more powerful, infinityl more powerful than the daedra could ever hope to be. 1.Divines can die.They are not Invulnerable.

2.Nevertheless, my point about Apocrypha still stands.It is infinite, and Mundus is not.

3.Facepalm.I said Akatosh regained his power.Mehrunes Dagon is a little bitch though.However, Jyggalag, Hermaeus and Boethiah are the most powerful as I understand.Also, Boethiah swallowed Trinmiac.Trinmiac.The Champion of Auriel and the strongest, possibly most powerful god.

4.Assumptions?The game is based around stopping him from dragging Tamriel into Coldharbour.Also, in trailers, the portals are below the clouds.

5.Skeleton Key.You seem to have misread.The skeleton key can literally open a door to anything.Knowledge, loot, oblivion, Aetherius, perhaps even the Void.Tell me that isn't powerful.The staff of Magnus absorbs magicka.Fucking whoop-dee-doo.Akatosh.Sleeping?Where does that come from?Warping time.I said the Divines lost power, not all of it.

6.Aetherius is the realm from which the divines originate, they are connected to it like Daedra to Oblivion and they live in it.

Infinitely more powerful.Wow.That statement just deserves so much praise. Oh did you say something? I wasn't paying much attention. Sorry about that. Anyway, down to business.

1) I have only heard of Lorkhan dying, but he was a special case. The other divines, only knocked out. Down, but not out.

2) Who is to say Mundus isn't infinite. Have you travled throughout all of it? N.O.P.E. While no can make the assumption it is infinite, one cannot deny it either. And As to Mora, I agree, his realm is infinite, but it could be an illusion to make you walk in circles, so it would techniclly go on forever. Probably not, but then again, most of his realm is covered by that goo. Probably not that hard to make. The only thing you can stand on are the teeny little islands of books. You have to use a dragon to fly around the place.

3) Oh so now we are limiting the Daedric count to just three? When you said that they Princes are more powerful, I thought you meant ALL of them, not just Jyygalyg, who wasn't strong enough to defend himself from the others, Mora, who all he does is know stuff and his fighting strength has never been tested to make the claim he is stronger than a divine or not, and Boethia, who apparently tranformed Trinimac into Malacath, that is only according to the Aldmeri Pantheon ideology. Even if it was true, Trinimac was walking amongst Nirn, and since he was away from his home, the Aedra realm, he was probably substantially weakened. And the way Boethia tranformed him into malacath wasn't by power, it was by deception. Boethia tricked Trinimac to walk into his mouth. Read  that up on "The Chaned Ones," on Trinimac's page on this wiki. Also, if you claim Mehrunes Dagon is a wimp at least he is the only one that actually does something instead of just toying with mere mortals.

4) True, True, but we still don't know the extent of that power. And as Nirn still stands in Nirn instead of Coldharbor today, it is safe to assume we defeated him. A Daedric Prince, with whom you claim to be stronger, defeated by mere mortals?! INCONCIEVABLE!!!

5) I have yet to see the Skeleton Key being able to unlck any doors to portals with the exception of the door specifically made for the key by Nocturnal. No where does it say it can open the doors to Aethirus. In fact, you might have dug into it a little bit to deep. While an artifact that can open portals would certaintly be powerful, whose to say the Aedra don't have an even more powerful artifact? Besides, don't disrespect the Staff of Magnus. Draining Magic, a base component of Nirn, is a very powerful thing. IT sure beats opening doors to get out of picking it yourself. Also, I know you never said that the Divines were sleeping. I did. Because that is what they are doing. I don't see them activly doing anything god like. So we can reasonably assume they are sleeping. And again, what is your point? You say they havn't ost all power. So are you agreeing with me by saying they are stronger, or not?

6) You affirm my 3rd point about Trinimac with this argument. So, it can be argued that it's not about power, it's about catching your opponent when they are away from where they are strongest.

I think that line does deserve some praise. It's sure mopping the floor with your logic.