Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-4984687-20150326211251/@comment-4984687-20150403012324

SuperSajuuk wrote: This could be considered to be completely off-topic, but it is relevant to the discussion about staff applications and should be considered when the system is changed over, because I believe that the change from nominations to applications should consider changing the system to discussions despite claims we should not do this. Madman97 wrote: I really don't see why voting is bad. Maybe you should read these: They are good reads and are widely accepted as the most common methods to run wiki's as they're community projects.
 * wikipedia:Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion
 * wikipedia:Wikipedia:Consensus

Voting, at this point, is undermining real discussions and they're being used for no reason just because people can't be bothered to give a reason for why. This needs to change and we can do that by pushing discussions, not votes, to determine outcomes. If the wiki somehow cannot survive without a poll, then we do it with straw polls to quickly garner the consensus.

These CT's about changing policies are the most friendliest I've seen on this wiki for a really long time: and you know why that is? Because we didn't decide the outcome from a frigging poll, but reasoned and polite discussions decided the outcome. That should be the main proponent about the wiki, not a poll. We're not Wikipedia. They have the biggest userbase of any wiki and have many professional and skilled users. There's no reason to remove the voting system from the voting system for nominations. Only two things will occur: the user either gets the flags or doesn't, and people get to vote on whether they think they should or should not get the flags and explain why. If they don't have an opinion, they can comment.

If I recall, Narutopedia uses the voting system for staff nominations as well, unless that's been changed. Wikipedia utilizes the voting system in some aspects as well, such as Wikipedia Commons discussions for deleting files, because either way there will only be two results; the file is either kept or is deleted.

CT suggestions should not utilize the voting option since a CT can end in an infinite amount of different ways, the voting system should only be kept in places where only two things will occur as an end result; case closed.