Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-1600847-20161103125247/@comment-993964-20161109091537

YinyangElementofduality wrote: Sports72Xtrm wrote: I don't care if you think Ulfric's Thuum is a dirty trick or irrelevant, with it he was able to take Markarth from an army. Markarth is a stone fort where jarls in charge there weren't even afraid of dragon attacks. For Ulfric to take that city says something. Tullius' biggest military accomplishment is an ambush against a few Stormcloak bodyguards protecting Ulfric in an open field, without defenses, without Ulfric's army. When Aldmeri Domionion invades, they'll have an army, they'll have a strategy, they'll have magic. Luck won't win the Empire the war. The Thalmor doesn't care about your posturing, doesn't care if you think magic is a dirty trick or unhonorable; it will break the Empire because the Empire is fragile and weak and they don't want to admit it. Personally I have no opinion about Ulfric using the Thu'um. I am questioning his combat ability which he claims Torygg lacks.

1. Ulfric is a war veteran who had seen real combat. Torygg is like a boy compared to him with no real combat experience.

At a glance, expectations of Ulfric will be to overwhelm Torygg the same way he did with Thu'um using just the sword. I am not saying it is cheating or not. I can come up with far worse and I don't care about positive and negative emotions. People's support, magic, war, numbers, strategies and resources? They are just a means to an end.

You claim luck won't win the Empire the war. You are being biased and unfair. The correct way to judge base on this is looking at both sides.

A "fragile and weak and refusing to admit this" empire can butcher the Stormcloaks on the battlefield, kill Ulfric if not for luck. Hence the truly strong one is the Thalmor who can do so much despite being so limited in resources.

Empire is weaker because its full potential at the moment is lower than before after Hammerfell left. Stormcloaks is even weaker because the Empire without using its full force can capture Ulfric and slaughter the Stormcloaks on the battlefield.

That is the most unbiased and fairest assessment of the situation as they were based solely on facts and not the most useless and pathetic thing ever to exist: Emotions You keep saying that the empire was "slaughtering" the stormcloaks, but before player engagement the only battle we believed them to be engaged in was an ambush against presumably after ulfric killed torygg, before ulfric rallied his allies and drew his battleplans. Its not the prepared stormcloaks tullius was facing so the context is important. Ulfrics combat ability has been proven as he is considered a legend in skyrim, he has defeated armies before. AFter the player joins his side he can even defeat the imperial legions, that proves under the roght conditions anyone can beat the empire. So the stormvloaks can be stronger than the legion if the player chooses. The stormcl9aks are just as strong as the legion. Imo they are able to be stronger in fighting the Thalmor since they dont legitimize their ops and influence and seek to expel them from skyrim.