Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-24099618-20140114190300/@comment-260563-20180218172959

Pupdude wrote: Holy Galactic Emperor wrote: Pupdude wrote:

Holy Galactic Emperor wrote:

Azura didn't care for the Dragon Crisis or the Oblivion Crisis. Probably a good reason for each. Pretty sure Azura knew the power of Mehrunes Dagon and feared retribution if she sided with the mortals. As for the Return of Alduin, beats me, she might have been more concerned about her star being defiled, which makes sense, because that might have threatened her power. In other words, she might have had more pressing concerns, which is a valid reason in my eyes. To be fair, she's probably more concerned about Morrowind in particular than the entirety of Tamriel, considering she's worshipped there. Nope. Dagon isn't even the top dog among the Daedra. If he moved against Azura, the other Daedric princes wouldn't just sit on their ass. Also, once I got Azura's Star purified, why doesn't she help us out against the Dragon Crisis? Once I put her infected followers to rest, why didn't she help us out against Mehrunes Dagon? At least Meridia took an active role during the Planemeld in ESO.

Those aren't valid reasons. Daedric princes like Azura are more powerful than Aedric gods and yet you complain about the latter doing less while giving the former a pass, even though the latter aren't only massively weakened by their creation of Nirn, but are also busy keeping the Daedra out. So yes, I was right-you're putting Daedric princes like Azura on a pedestal while complaining too much about the Aedric gods who are already busy with a lot of things.

Also, as you said, Azura was the main worship focus of the Dark Elves, which probably explains why the Aedra didn't intervene with Dagoth Ur. Heck, the Aedra took the sides of the humans against the Ayleids because the latter were Daedra-worshipers. The Dark Elves worship the likes of Azura, Vivec, and Almalexia. Why would the Aedra help them? Look, I was just saying that Azura MIGHT be an exception. I never said I was certain of it. So, yeah, the only exception to the rule of the Et'Ada sucking is Sheogorath, for memetic reasons only. In reality, Sheogorath is extremely unpredictable, and quite honestly very graphic about his death threats (and, let's be honest, that makes him even cooler).

And isn't this debate similar to the whole reason behind the entire thread? The Aldmeri Dominion and Thalmor think putting Talos on a pedestal labeled "The Ninth Divine" is wrong, whereas the Empire thinks the Aldmeri/Thalmor need to chill. Quite frankly, all sides suck, and need to get over it.

So, my side in Great War II would be the side of Progress, and here's my terms for a treaty:

Each race become their own government (Khajiit have the Elsweyr Confederacy, Imperials have the Imperial Empire, Skyrim becomes the Nordic Monarchy or Nordic Council, Altmer have the Aldmeri Dominion, etc.)

Skyrim gains Bruma and the surrounding areas, up to the Great Forest

Hammerfell gain Chorrol and most of the Colovian Highlands, up to the Great Forest

Morrowind gains Cheydinhal and the surrounding areas, up to the imaginary line that completes the circle the Great Forest would make

Black Marsh gains Bruma and the surrounding areas, up to where the Upper Niben River meets the Niben Bay

Elsweyr gains Leyawiin, the surrounding areas, and the areas directly north of current-day Elsweyr, up to the Great Forest

Valenwood gains the area to their north, up to the Great Forest

Cyrodiil loses the Imperial City, the Great Forest, and the areas and cities mentioned above; Their capital becomes Kvatch, having been reconstructed after the Oblivion Crisis, and their remaining non-capital cities are Skingrad and Anvil

The United Empires of Tamriel (UET) is formed (Think UN)

The Imperial City is renamed to Heartland City, and the it and the surrounding area is referred to as the Heartlands

The Heartlands become a neutral ground under the rule of a local government elected by the UET

The UET meet in Heartland City

The Aldmeri Dominion and Imperial Empire suck it up and stops trying to enforce their world views on other people; This applies to all other empires, too

Bullshit. The Third Aldmeri Dominion betrays the founding principles of the First Aldmeri Dominion. It has got to go, and a more tolerant Altmer family should be placed in as the royal family.

As for the Empire, since there's no more Septim Dynasty, make it like the Holy Roman Empire. Kings and nobles from the Summerset Isles, Skyrim, Cyrodiil, Morrowind, Valenwood, Black Marsh, High Rock, Hammerfell, and Elsweyr would all gather together, and from amongst themselves, they'll vote to select a new Emperor/Empress to rule Tamriel.