Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-13417807-20130726204600/@comment-9062114-20130910014104

Pickleseller wrote: You don't realize how naive you are, Zipper. About everything. The Stormcloaks aren't the best hope. You act like Ulfric is a golden saint. You want to know what he did? He betrayed the Empire twice! Once during the Great War, when he gave up information that he thought was important to the capture of the Imperial City. And when he started the war.

He also massacred a group of peaceful natives just so he could worship Talos. And the Nords weren't there first. After the Dwemer disappeared, the Reachmen moved into the abandoned cities and caves. Then they got taken over. During the Great War, they took over again. They retook their own lands. But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" came and reretook land that the Forsworn worked for. Ulfric, using a power that was considered sacred and not to be used brashly, shouted them all to bits, not sparing even the children, and took the Reach, just so he could worship his precious little god.

But that didn't stop there. Oh no, using the same power that was not to be used at leisure, except for the Dragonborn, he killed a king who would have done what he asked. He was innocent. He did not need to die. Oh please. He didn't give up any information intentionally, they used minds tricks on him to indirectly reveal information. He did NOT start the war, the Empire did. They were attacking the Stormcloaks long before Ulfric killed Torygg. Yes, I do think Ulfric is a great man, he's fighting against the oppression of the Dominion and the Empire!

Peaceful? Ha! They were anything but. The Reachmen would kidnap innocent people and sactifice them to their gods. The Reachmen were given a chance to convert and live in normal society, many did. Nice job distorting lore though. Ulfric has never claimed the Thu'um to be "sacred". It was a gift from Kyne to be used in combat. You actually believe The Bear of Markarth. That is book is classic Imperial Propaganda. If Ulfric really was like this why doesn't he kill any Imperial citizens or Jarls? Or why doesn't anyone in Cidnha Mine talk about him if he supposedly did all of these terrible things to the Reachmen?

Everyone knew Ulfric wanted to succeed, if Torygg had any interest in doing it he would've already done it.