Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-30011802-20170217032502/@comment-26893431-20170330193319

ZhugeQuanqiang wrote: Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Prove it. There's no evidence that Skyrim became poor because of the Empire, nor is there evidence of those chests of gold being bribes. The Empire allows its provinces to remain largely independent, so no, it isn't responsible. Hence why it isn't responsible for the War of Bend'r-Mahk either.

When you're in a restaurant, is it the chef or the manager that runs the kitchen? Exactly, the chef. The manager runs the restaurant (Empire) and the chef runs the kitchen (province), why? Because that's what they are best at. And if it goes wrong in the kitchen, the chef is to blame.

"I was a soldier so I know everything in regards to the military", utter nonsense. You weren't a spy, you don't know how any of that works. Being a grunt doesn't prove anything. Not that I'm believing someone with the lack of military understanding such as your own could have ever been part of one. Then again, that's probably why you're a veteran, because you couldn't function properly.

I do hope you realise that the Empire is still in no shape, whatsoever, to declare a war, right? And that the Empire will fight a defensive, not an offensive, war, right? If the Dominion invades Skyrim, the Empire's still too weak to stop them, and they wouldn't even consider trying to invade them anytime soon. And really, supply lines? After Skyrim's conqeured suddenly all of its resources dissapear? What sort of advantage does keeping one huge, hostile force on your border grant you? Elaborate, "soldier".

Well, seeing as these soldiers are meant for patrols and casual sightings and not for well, full-detailed reports, nothing wrong. Do you think an army commander wouldn't mention a hostile army invading a city because "well, can't report that, I'm not a spy"? Cut the nonsense.

You can't prove it. As with most of your claims. You're not using lore perspective, since you're making it up instead of looking at what's stated.

Too bad you're not the Thalmor and the Thalmor don't use them to spy. War of Bend'r Mahk may not have been caused by the Empire, it is an indication that the Empire was weak due to Uriel Septim VII's absence when Jagar Tharn imprisoned him for ten years. The Septim Empire under Jagar Tharn's rule was unable to stop the War of Bend'r Mahk from breaking out between its provinces. That is the Septim Empire's failure.

You are not thinking properly. Hence your poor attempts at insulting me with " because you couldn't function properly."

I think it is ironic how weak and weightless your words in the Elder Scrolls are compare to someone like Zaric Zhakaron who was hailed as a Lore Master even though you started trying harder than he ever did. (He hardly tried at all) But this guy became hailed as a Loremaster while you seem to covet being hailed as a Loremaster, you are still relatively far behind from being recognized as one.

I guess there is really an insurmountable difference between having the knowledge alone (You Jauffre) but lacking in every single aspect vs someone who is full and empty at the same time.

Your statements outside Elder Scrolls immediately tells how ignorant you are in the workings of real world. It is obvious the moment you said something this stupid " I do hope you realise that the Empire is still in no shape, whatsoever, to declare a war, right? And that the Empire will fight a defensive, not an offensive, war, right? If the Dominion invades Skyrim, the Empire's still too weak to stop them, and they wouldn't even consider trying to invade them anytime soon. And really, supply lines? After Skyrim's conqeured suddenly all of its resources dissapear? What sort of advantage does keeping one huge, hostile force on your border grant you? Elaborate, "soldier".

Well, seeing as these soldiers are meant for patrols and casual sightings and not for well, full-detailed reports, nothing wrong. Do you think an army commander wouldn't mention a hostile army invading a city because "well, can't report that, I'm not a spy"? Cut the nonsense."

That is so dumb. I've already mentioned that with the tension between the Empire and Aldmeri Dominion, both sides will conceal more and accurate information will be more difficult to obtain that is why spies are needed, I said wasn't the soldiers can't provide information, what I meant was the information provided by the soldiers (people in uniform) alone can no longer fulfill the needs of the Thalmor nor the Empire.

As for evidence, there was two Thalmor spies exposed in Skyrim and no more yet, when one of the spies died, he said " Why struggle? The Thalmor will only send more like me"

Hinting that they are in no shortage of replacements.

My evidence is the lore on the geography of Skyrim. It should be over 500,000 km² by Lore perspective. While information regarding the battle is important and can be fulfilled by official Thalmor agents, there are many things that you cannot obtained from common soldiers that is even more important. That is where the spies come in.

I've already stated if you are incapable of understanding, don't try to address something you cannot even understand no matter how simple it is. It was not up for you to debate whether it is present or not. It is an observation based on several things noted from the Lore.

 Skyrim should be pretty big (much bigger than countries like Germany and France) If that is the case, it shouldn't be a surprise that they have an agency of a Platoon or Company gathering beef for their leaders. Both the Empire and Aldmeri Dominion.

As it is physically impossible for one person on the field to get a clear picture of everything going on in the province especially with all the chaos.

Remember even if it is possible for known Thalmor to gain access into Imperial Territories after some inconvenience,they'll be killed if they try to step into Stormcloak lands. Even if Ulfric Stormcloak is a Thalmor spy, he cannot stop every single Stormcloak soldier from killing Thalmor on sight because that will expose his identity as one if he is.

Besides, the Imperials aren't Thalmor's bitch they wouldn't tell the Thalmor everything so that the Thalmor can use those information later on to kill the Imperials when the Civil War is done.

Even more impossible for the Thalmor to give the Empire anything accurate that can be used against the Thalmor later.

Instead of getting distracted by something simple yet you are incapable of understanding, don't bother trying to argue at a different dimension.

That's like I said casually "For all we know, Loraine might be Thomas' leader but because Loraine didn't exist in Skyrim you say prove that Loraine is Thomas' leader or both of them don't exist!

But the fact is they are in the game. I see that even trying to create proper arguments goes as far as ever with you.

Done.