The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 July 25


 * 00:18:28: Cheatcodechamp: Rim has the floor
 * 00:18:32: The Rim of the Sky: Changing what we do with Template:For and Template:Confuse
 * 00:19:04: The Rim of the Sky: I'll be using Imperial City as my example
 * 00:19:15: The Rim of the Sky: There are 2 things wrong with this
 * 00:19:18: The Rim of the Sky: first of all
 * 00:19:32: The Rim of the Sky: Online is not in italics
 * 00:19:59: The Rim of the Sky: I think that for these templates all words should be in italics regardless
 * 00:20:17: The Rim of the Sky: It just sort of ruins the flow
 * 00:20:21: The Rim of the Sky: second of all
 * 00:20:37: The Rim of the Sky: The brackets for Imperial City (Online) are not seen
 * 00:20:49: The Rim of the Sky: This is just plain confusing
 * 00:21:41: The Rim of the Sky: I know it might make it look "prettier", but the brackets are essential
 * 00:21:50: The Rim of the Sky: without them, the link is misleading and confuses people
 * 00:22:14: The Rim of the Sky: So
 * 00:22:49: The Rim of the Sky: We put all words in italics and always put in the brackets for the link in templates For and Confuse
 * 00:22:57: The Rim of the Sky: Any questions?
 * 00:23:50: Atvelonis: Wikia decided they wanted way more templates than necessary to be used via flags
 * 00:23:51: The Rim of the Sky: I think that would be because of the Flags feature
 * 00:24:03: Atvelonis: Speaking of, I wanted to talk about that
 * 00:24:05: Atvelonis: But later
 * 00:24:19: Atvelonis: So Rim I think this is a quite good idea
 * 00:24:22: The Rim of the Sky: Any other questions or is that all for everybody?
 * 00:25:00: Cheatcodechamp: I think it sounds like a simple, yet productive idea.
 * 00:25:01: Atvelonis: Not from me. I'll vote (y) on this one.
 * 00:25:20: RenzXVI: (y)
 * 00:26:29: Cheatcodechamp: Anybody else?
 * 00:26:57: KINMUNE: Hello there, Sonicadam1324!
 * 00:27:07: Sonicadam1324: hi
 * 00:27:31: The Rim of the Sky: We're currently in a Moot
 * 00:27:59: Sonicadam1324: okay, i haven't been on here for a long time though
 * 00:28:03: The Rim of the Sky: Anyways, I think that should be all for the voting
 * 00:29:08: The Rim of the Sky: I think you had something to say about the flags earlier
 * 00:29:11: Cheatcodechamp: I think we are good
 * 00:29:15: Shockstorm: afk. but (y)
 * 00:30:30: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 00:30:46: Atvelonis: Well, as you probably all know, we told Wikia we would test out their new Flags feature
 * 00:31:10: Atvelonis: They, however, did not give us the option to choose which templates would be affected by this.
 * 00:32:02: Atvelonis: As such, templates such as, , and (to name a few) appear as flags, which is not necessarily ideal for us.
 * 00:32:07: Atvelonis: Specifically, for our readers
 * 00:32:56: Atvelonis: If something is categorized as a Flag, you can't see it unless you're logged in, and considering these templates are here to help readers not be confused it's rather counter-productive.
 * 00:33:23: Cheatcodechamp: So we need them to fix that
 * 00:33:51: Shockstorm: is the "__FLAGS__" thing on the top of pages supposed to stay? doesnt seem like it does anything besides push everything down
 * 00:34:04: Atvelonis: Yes, it just has to be at the top-top of the page
 * 00:34:10: Atvelonis: Above the infobox and other templates
 * 00:34:26: Cheatcodechamp: We are having to move it to the top of the page to keep it from moving stuff
 * 00:34:43: Cheatcodechamp: but they place it below the infobox by default
 * 00:35:16: Shockstorm: what does that do, though?
 * 00:35:33: Atvelonis: I guess it just lets the Flags be on the page?
 * 00:35:35: Atvelonis: Hold on
 * 00:35:39: Atvelonis: We should check that
 * 00:35:46: Cheatcodechamp: With Flags, the notice templates are separated out from the article content and given their own management tool. They still use the exact same templates as before (and you can continue to create new ones and update existing templates, just as you do today) - but now users can browse, add and remove them without resorting to fairly specific knowledge of how the varied templates work.
 * 00:35:52: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:855596
 * 00:35:54: Atvelonis: It might not actually do anything, in which case Wikia just messed up a load of pages
 * 00:36:07: Cheatcodechamp: I feel it is harming more then helping
 * 00:36:50: Cheatcodechamp: The concept seems great, it helped people so why not have it. but it is messing up layouts and I think we need them to either fix or remove it
 * 00:37:03: Atvelonis: I've been told that Wikia is going to let us edit which templates are counted as Flags in the future, but I don't know when exactly.
 * 00:37:17: Atvelonis: My guess is in a couple of months.
 * 00:37:48: Shockstorm: for the time being should we remove some flags when we see them and add the corresponding template? ie the redlink template, which is ideally placed at the bottom of a page
 * 00:37:54: Atvelonis: And yeah, take a look at Skywatch (Arena)
 * 00:38:02: Atvelonis: Doesn't have __FLAGS__
 * 00:38:04: Atvelonis: Works fine
 * 00:39:15: Shockstorm: maybe thats a placeholder code that the wikia bot can use to detect pages if needed in the future. like to revert the changes they made
 * 00:39:59: Atvelonis: Well on that specific page they didn't leave __FLAGS__ at all
 * 00:40:05: Atvelonis: Just moved the notices
 * 00:40:20: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Amusei
 * 00:40:35: Atvelonis: Oooh, dang it
 * 00:40:37: Atvelonis: Gotta go
 * 00:40:42: Atvelonis: May be back shortly-ish
 * 00:40:46: Cheatcodechamp: Ok
 * 00:40:56: QueenFinelia: cya tc bye :3
 * 00:41:06: Cheatcodechamp: So we all agree we need them to work on this then?
 * 00:41:08: Atvelonis: CCC you count the votes, just pm them to me, I'll remain on chat but afk
 * 00:41:12: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 00:41:33: The Rim of the Sky: We voting now? If so
 * 00:41:53: RenzXVI: (y)
 * 00:42:03: QueenFinelia: are we gonna also vote on removing it?
 * 00:42:14: Cheatcodechamp: Lets give them some more time to fix it
 * 00:42:22: Cheatcodechamp: thats my thinking at least
 * 00:42:39: Cheatcodechamp: But if they cant or wont we will remove it
 * 00:42:47: QueenFinelia: but remove it for the meantime?
 * 00:43:07: Shockstorm: (y)
 * 00:43:20: Cheatcodechamp: It will be harder to fix it if its gone. Moving it to the top seems to be a short term fix that will work for now
 * 00:43:36: Cheatcodechamp: minus it hiding stuff of course
 * 00:43:38: QueenFinelia: ok :3
 * 00:44:45: QueenFinelia: anyone else gonna vote?
 * 00:45:19: Cheatcodechamp: I think thats it except for me
 * 00:45:21: Cheatcodechamp: (y)
 * 00:45:29: QueenFinelia: Blasterblade741?
 * 00:45:48: Cheatcodechamp: 6/0 we get them to fix the problems of hiding important templates and pushing artices down
 * 00:46:25: The Rim of the Sky: I do, but if somebody else does I'll let them go first
 * 00:46:48: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 00:46:48: Cheatcodechamp: Whats on your mind Rim
 * 00:47:02: The Rim of the Sky: 3rd suggestions
 * 00:47:11: The Rim of the Sky: We REALLY need to redesign Lore templates
 * 00:47:35: The Rim of the Sky: For example
 * 00:47:40: The Rim of the Sky: On the Vivec page
 * 00:47:48: The Rim of the Sky: The template looks like something out of 2008
 * 00:48:16: Shockstorm: yeah. was probly left over from Oblivio wiki
 * 00:48:30: The Rim of the Sky: I propose we make new lore templates that look like Template:SkyrimNPCs for example
 * 00:48:42: Cheatcodechamp: you mean these? http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template%3ALore
 * 00:48:58: The Rim of the Sky: We'd have to remove the "Do you have an image of this" message from them though
 * 00:49:12: Cheatcodechamp: Lagging, going to reset my chat. BRB
 * 00:49:19: Jasonpp: hey
 * 00:49:23: The Rim of the Sky: As a lot of lore-only things don't have any images
 * 00:49:38: Jasonpp: hi rim of the sky
 * 00:49:51: Cheatcodechamp: You have an alternative rim?
 * 00:50:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: Ah, also i'll have a question, just tell me when i can ask it
 * 00:50:18: The Rim of the Sky: Not yet
 * 00:50:31: The Rim of the Sky: I figured I'd just pitch this and see if people would agree
 * 00:50:45: The Rim of the Sky: I'm planning on designing one in my sandboxes and getting help from other users if I need it
 * 00:51:28: The Rim of the Sky: Anyways
 * 00:51:33: The Rim of the Sky: Any more questions?
 * 00:51:45: Cheatcodechamp: Jarjar, you had a question
 * 00:52:12: QueenFinelia: hi Jasonpp :3
 * 00:52:27: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah, but it's not related to this
 * 00:52:43: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 00:53:16: Cheatcodechamp: I think you should work on the update, and we can discuss it then.
 * 00:53:37: The Rim of the Sky: Yeah, I figured I should let everyone know and get their thoughts on whether they want to update the templates
 * 00:53:51: QueenFinelia: so we don't vote on it now?
 * 00:54:19: Cheatcodechamp: No, but we will record we are looking at updates for the lore templates
 * 00:54:28: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 00:54:46: Cheatcodechamp: Once we have something we will vote. Jarjar, whats on your mind
 * 00:55:22: Emperor Jarjarkine: Well, you guys are aware of the new wikia feature ?
 * 00:55:32: The Rim of the Sky: Which one?
 * 00:55:49: QueenFinelia: what feature :o
 * 00:56:13: Cheatcodechamp: I am with them? what feature?
 * 00:56:13: Atvelonis: Or the anon thing?
 * 00:56:28: Emperor Jarjarkine: Desabling the anon ^^
 * 00:56:30: Cheatcodechamp: If its the Anon thing, I oppose it in a hostile manner.
 * 00:56:38: RenzXVI: XD
 * 00:56:44: The Rim of the Sky: I think the Anon thing requires a much larger discussion
 * 00:56:45: QueenFinelia: disabling anons? :o
 * 00:56:50: The Rim of the Sky: Like, consensus and all
 * 00:56:58: QueenFinelia: can you explain more what it does and where?
 * 00:57:05: The Rim of the Sky: Remember the time we tried to remove the RP board? This would be even more controversial than that
 * 00:57:13: Cheatcodechamp: It goes against assuming good faith, we would shut out all Anon edits
 * 00:57:30: Emperor Jarjarkine: Well, queen,
 * 00:57:32: Cheatcodechamp: They would be forced to create an account to edit here.
 * 00:57:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: if we added this,
 * 00:57:39: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah exacly
 * 00:57:44: QueenFinelia: O_O
 * 00:57:46: QueenFinelia: fuck no
 * 00:58:04: The Rim of the Sky: I oppose it, but still
 * 00:58:12: The Rim of the Sky: Maybe we should start a consensus and highlight it
 * 00:58:21: Atvelonis: I am 400% against disabling anon editing
 * 00:58:31: Atvelonis: If you go up to a website with the intention of editing it
 * 00:58:35: Cheatcodechamp: SS tried to get us to do this, and we shut it down then.
 * 00:58:37: Atvelonis: And you can't edit it without an account
 * 00:58:41: Atvelonis: You will just go somewhere else
 * 00:58:45: Atvelonis: You won't make an account
 * 00:58:46: Emperor Jarjarkine: Well, anon are part of us so, shut thems up would be....well as would SS say, Pointless
 * 00:58:50: The Rim of the Sky: I sort of remember that
 * 00:59:00: The Rim of the Sky: Did he make a full-on consensus when he suggested it?
 * 00:59:02: Cheatcodechamp: Most of the people I have blocked since becoming admin had accounts, most of our trolls are named
 * 00:59:25: Emperor Jarjarkine: Plus, some old editors may want to edit without their account
 * 00:59:28: Cheatcodechamp: I forget, I know it went down like A Wiccan walking into high mass
 * 00:59:29: The Rim of the Sky: Like those 2 guys who posted a bunch of porn
 * 00:59:56: Atvelonis: I wouldn't have gotten into editing without editing anonymously at first. It goes against good faith and honestly just causes more problems than it could ever solve.
 * 01:00:20: The Rim of the Sky: I think we all agree on not implementing this
 * 01:00:28: RenzXVI: Yeah
 * 01:00:29: Atvelonis: So as I said earlier I am vehemently against blocking anons
 * 01:00:31: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 01:01:02: Cheatcodechamp: I am also against it
 * 01:01:31: Emperor Jarjarkine: true true
 * 01:01:46: Atvelonis: If we really want to I suppose we could do a CT but I expect every reply to be against blocking anons
 * 01:02:38: Cheatcodechamp: Unless SS shows up
 * 01:02:50: The Rim of the Sky: So
 * 01:02:57: The Rim of the Sky: Anyone have any other suggestions?
 * 01:02:59: Cheatcodechamp: But we all seem to agree, I have a quick reminder
 * 01:03:07: Cheatcodechamp: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Acardwell415/Wikia's_Battle_of_the_Fantasy_Foods_Returns?utm_source=General&utm_medium=Social%20Media&utm_campaign=Hootsuite
 * 01:03:22: Cheatcodechamp: We have a few days left to get nominations in for elder scrolls food items
 * 01:03:39: Cheatcodechamp: If we are lucky, we may end up with more then one nomination
 * 01:04:03: Cheatcodechamp: Sweet rolls is our big one, but if enough nominations go in, we may have more items.
 * 01:04:17: RenzXVI: Cool :D
 * 01:04:20: Cheatcodechamp: However, they would be pit against eachother first round to try and get one out
 * 01:04:28: Atvelonis: I voted sweetroll already
 * 01:04:48: Cheatcodechamp: We need nominations, so I will be going to our FB friends and trying to get them to nominate, then help in the contest
 * 01:05:11: Cheatcodechamp: I just wanted to remind you all about it, and ask you all to vote and get your friends to as well.
 * 01:05:14: QueenFinelia: speaking of reminders, who are our last moot suggestions going along?
 * 01:05:27: Atvelonis: Hold on to connect to the internet with a new pc should I put the dongle usb thing in first or should I install the drier first
 * 01:05:37: Atvelonis: Drivers probably, lemme do that
 * 01:05:42: Atvelonis: brb
 * 01:05:46: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 01:06:05: RenzXVI: I want to mention something if no one else has a topic XD
 * 01:06:06: Cheatcodechamp: They seem to be moving fine, I have not seen some edits made yet, but we are always alittle behind :P
 * 01:06:14: Cheatcodechamp: Whats up Renz?
 * 01:06:28: QueenFinelia: oh yeah Ren has a topic :3
 * 01:06:28: RenzXVI: So I mention it now?
 * 01:06:43: RenzXVI: Several days ago there was a troll/spammer on this chat, at first he was trolling chat users then from that he moved on to making a nonsense wiki page... I was looking for a mod / admin to contact and I only saw Patroller Ser Pouce-a-lot online and messaged him on his wall http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ser_Pouce-a-lot#Troll_.2F_Spammer He managed to take care of the wiki page nonsense, but when he went on the chat he didn't have any chatroom powers, so the troll/spammer was still doing nasty things in the chat... I was thinking, since patrollers / other types of mods are trusted in the forum, why not make them chat mods too? It would be helpful since the regular mods that come on the chatroom seem to rarely appear lately...
 * 01:07:16: The Rim of the Sky: We don't have complete powers in forums
 * 01:07:19: The Rim of the Sky: just editing posts
 * 01:07:41: Atvelonis: Patrollers already get chat mod rights they just have to ask
 * 01:08:03: Atvelonis: Since you're patroller and all
 * 01:08:10: The Rim of the Sky: For all patrollers, I have mixed feelings
 * 01:08:11: RenzXVI: It's just that, the regular chatmods seem to be missing...
 * 01:08:19: The Rim of the Sky: Only for those who know how chat works and all
 * 01:08:27: QueenFinelia: yeah there's hardly any star people here
 * 01:08:28: The Rim of the Sky: Editing is one thing, handling the chat is another
 * 01:09:18: The Rim of the Sky: I think me and Sir Pouce-a-lot would make good use of them
 * 01:09:18: Atvelonis: So do you want it
 * 01:09:23: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 01:09:34: RenzXVI: Cool :D
 * 01:09:58: The Rim of the Sky: Oh, my chat lagged out a bit
 * 01:10:00: The Rim of the Sky: thanks
 * 01:10:22: Cheatcodechamp: Well, that may help some
 * 01:11:04: Emperor Jarjarkine: shoot shoot
 * 01:11:43: RenzXVI: Mods / patrollers etc with chat powers aren't meant to be listed on here? http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Chat_Moderators because when I called in Ser Pouce-a-lot I had no idea he didn't have powers...
 * 01:12:14: RenzXVI: I just called in the first mod I saw without any idea if the person had chat powers
 * 01:13:16: RenzXVI: I think it would be helpful if they are listed... I didn't know what to do that time. XD
 * 01:13:24: Atvelonis: Which spot do I plug the monitor into I can't remember
 * 01:13:27: Atvelonis: There are 2 that fit
 * 01:14:17: Atvelonis: Gah
 * 01:14:25: QueenFinelia: no idea
 * 01:14:29: QueenFinelia: I only have laptops :D
 * 01:15:01: Cheatcodechamp: Well, if none of us are here, you can always hunt down helpers or VTSF, but we should make sure people know who here has what rights
 * 01:15:19: RenzXVI: So what about the list?
 * 01:15:34: Emperor Jarjarkine: Yeah try to target VSTF
 * 01:16:01: RenzXVI: This? http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki%3AVandalism_in_progress
 * 01:17:05: Cheatcodechamp: You can leave a report there, we should look into update our staff articles to explain who can best help.
 * 01:17:14: Cheatcodechamp: Atve, you have any thoughts on this/
 * 01:17:38: Atvelonis: This operating system is awful
 * 01:17:39: Cheatcodechamp: or Jarjarkine, you have the same rights we do? you have any ideas how to improve this
 * 01:17:50: Cheatcodechamp: :(
 * 01:17:50: Atvelonis: Gahhhhh how do I find control panel where is it
 * 01:17:59: QueenFinelia: how can you become a helper btw?
 * 01:18:40: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 01:19:00: Atvelonis: Gah stupid bill gates why can't you just make a new windows 7
 * 01:19:10: Cheatcodechamp: I didnt like 7
 * 01:19:12: Emperor Jarjarkine: Back
 * 01:19:15: Emperor Jarjarkine: what ?
 * 01:19:28: Atvelonis: 7 was the best man
 * 01:19:28: The Rim of the Sky: Control Panel > Display > Adjust screen resolution
 * 01:20:13: Atvelonis: I'm stuck at 600x800 ew ew ew
 * 01:20:39: Emperor Jarjarkine: you got to understand/speak in english a minimum ^^
 * 01:20:57: Emperor Jarjarkine: and, speak another language
 * 01:21:02: Emperor Jarjarkine: cya Atvelonis o/
 * 01:21:09: Shockstorm: I know Latin does that count?
 * 01:21:10: RenzXVI: Fin can do that XD
 * 01:21:23: The Rim of the Sky: I don't know if any wikis are in Latin
 * 01:21:28: RenzXVI: QueenFinelia, aren't you mod in the finnish skyri wiki?
 * 01:21:39: Cheatcodechamp: anyway, I think the moot is at an end. Should I close?