Talk:The Elder Scrolls V: Dawnguard

Is there new armour and weapons for the vampires as well as the dawnguard?
There seems to be light and heavy armours for dawnguard, but i can't tell if there is any new armour for the vampires. 121.216.125.43 06:36, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Crossbow,some unique items, and armored troll are benefits for joining the dawnguard

Being a badass vampire for joining the vamps

New dragonbone weapons for all, not sure about armor but probably some new

http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-dawnguard-screenshots-1#slide=48981486

a few shots of vamp armor in that gallery -- Beware a few spoilers

Ghostlogic (talk) 04:07, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vampires get some sweet-looking armor as a starter for joining. No weapons as far as I can tell, but one quest does give a set of special Vampire robes that give a %125 Magicka Regen buff. Fimmion (talk) 06:26, June 27, 2012 (UTC)Fimmion

ADMIN NEEDS TO REMOVE THAT TRAILER ANALYSIS OF THE STORYLINE SECTION
whoever posted that does not know what the storyline is because the storyline hasn't been released yet. These people only analyzed the trailer or went to a site that analyzed it. Wiki is supposed to be a site of user uploaded facts not some random guys speculation. The person who posted the storyline says that Harkon (If that is who the bad guy is) "seeks to destroy the sun". well guess what? I saw an analysis that thinks he merely wants to blot out the sun. My point is, nobody knows anything about dawnguard right now so we should all leave something like "[SPECULATION]" or "[Based on trailer analysis]" before posting, and provide legitimate sources not the game trailer you analyzed.


 * Much of the new information (Harkon, etc) is from the latest issue of Game Informer magazine, hence very very likely to be true. It's not random speculation from the preview trailer.


 * Jimeee (talk) 18:49, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

No Speculation
Alright, I thought I'd mention this before it starts. I think that we should keep speculation off this talk page, and provide sources for all info posted here. We don't need a metre-long page of speculation, and the fact and guesses would get mixed up.

````Yeah, we don't need inexperienced people sharing their stupid and useless opinions to change this into a spam page. All the info we have is on the picture, which is The Dragonborn(Bethesda's representation of him) with glowing eyes and some type of arrows(most likely bound or falmer arrows) equiped. Hopefully the DLC will come shortly. :)````Superpyro

its kind of obvious where its gonna take place......
I mean, about the size of shivering isles, home of the snow elves leader, in skyrim: guys, its Solstheim


 * Actually, not necessarily. They could add another region, or even include part of another region (for instance, travel to the part of Hammerfell still holding out against the Aldmeri Dominion). Anythings possible! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 11:02, May 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't wait to see what they come up with! no matter what it is. I'm getting bored re-doing all of the quests on my 5th character. - Alduin's Bane


 * They are adding to edges of map, vamps are in north /hunters south, 1 realm of oblivion
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLyTqAQ02B8 -- E3 booth tour --> talk about how they are not opening gates not adding new area but expanding skyrim borders ---> later info tells about oblivion realm
 * Ghostlogic (talk) 04:09, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Faction
there are two factions, The Dawnguard and the northen skyrim Vampires (the Volkihar).

(Osbornia (talk) 00:51, June 2, 2012 (UTC))

No Mention Of Snow Elves
It is really annoying me that no one actually notices what the vampires in the dlc actually are! they are called Volkihar and no where does it say anything about snow elves, although it mentioned the falmer the de-evolved version of the snow elves (apart from the scarce scenes of some falmer skulking around), the animation for the snow elf prince will most likely be for a different addon (maybe an addon about the snow prince starting a war with the nords.....again.)

(Osbornia (talk) 00:55, June 2, 2012 (UTC))

i was thinking that since there was that snow elf in the trailer, they could be involved to some extent. like maybe harkon tells you about some ancient ice magic you need to take from the snow prince

it was a falmer not a snow elf look at the eyes2.220.104.132 02:33, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

@Osbornia: But the Snow Prince was killed during the Nords campaign against the Falmer(Snow Elves) after the "Night of Tears," right?(Falloutghoul (talk) 18:44, June 11, 2012 (UTC))

@2.220.104.132: The Falmer ARE the Snow Elves, just mutated from living in subterranean caves and eating Glowing Mushrooms. (Falloutghoul (talk) 18:44, June 11, 2012 (UTC))

yeah but i said they were different because of that plus patch 1.5 data says data for a snow elf prince so i said it to avoid confusion176.248.221.32 19:21, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Karstaag
The new giant-looking creature seems to resemble the Karstaag monster from Bloodmoon. Shouldn't this be added to the article?

http://uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Karstaag

Dark Auk (talk) 03:07, June 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is true, but seeing as we don't even have our own page on the Karstaag, it would not be very useful to mention this.


 * Jimeee (talk) 08:57, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * However, we probably SHOULD have a page for Kastaag. 08:59, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sure we will soon, we have a guy working on Bloodmoon creatures at the moment and I think he will be adding it soon.
 * Jimeee (talk) 09:15, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Grammar
After reading the article I noticed quite a few grammatical mistakes. I would like to fix them but if that is not possible someone should fix them. Epzo (talk) 06:03, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I second this. This page is rife with grammar mistakes, and it's driving me crazy that I cannot edit it. Arctistor23 (talk) 03:00, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Did Anyone Else Notice...
While the Character is seen riding the Skeletal Horse, he appears to have a New Sword sheathed beside him. Also, during the Mounted Combat Scene, there is new Armor. Dannylaz (talk) 08:11, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Actually it was a crossbow that was sheathed if you look closely.

I did take note of the new armor and i saw the sword but didnt think much of it. im a little intersted because it looked like someone was on the dragon's back.

Oh. Well all that new information really blows my theory that the "Vampires" are really the Tsaesci (evidence being their reptilian-like appearance) and the portal is a teleportation device to Akavir. And the whole thing about the wierd realm shown in the trailor with the purple sky is a realm of oblivion, I could have sworn that those were Ayleid ruins! Maybe this will explore the fate of the Wild Elves? Probably not.

I think that the only explanation is if it is dawnguard armor and weapons, unless there is another new faction that has it's own armor, i think it looks really cool and hope it is actually decent although i probably won't use it.

The Dawnguard have their own armor, heavy and light with a passive resistince to catching Vampiris and vampire powers, in several colors (Brown, grey, Rust red, Dark brown). I'm not sure of the base stats though. Vampires also have their own armor as well, Royal armor and standard armor, the standerd coming in several colors as well. (gray, dark grey, red). The royal armor is enchanted for 125% magica regen, and is the armor Harkon has in the trailer.

How can you even know that about the armor? I mean all bethesda released was a short trailer and some gameplay at E3. Did you win the Dawnguard beta test that I heard about? Just asking.

A friend got two codes. So yes, I did get into the beta. It's awesome, even in beta form, but there are still some aspects that remind you that it is just a Beta. Like the paragons.

Vampire lord and shout
The vampire lord in dawnguard is named Harkon. There is a new skill tree for vampires. Theres shout that steals the soul called soul tear Info/

Are they vampire lords or sith lords? :(

@Previous Poster: This isn't Star Wars.(Falloutghoul (talk) 18:47, June 11, 2012 (UTC))

hey what if you are a were wolf now but you want ot be a vampire on the dlc will i have to make a new character
no but you will need to purify yourself of the wolf blood by burning a glenmoral witch head and defeating your wolf spirit (sorry if i misspelled anything btw) {C}72.200.56.49 20:48, June 10, 2012 (UTC)dogman100

release date is set for jne 26th, confirmed by tood howard on gametrailers tv live feed from E3

get us a definite reference and we should be able to edit the page Arctistor23 (talk) 22:01, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

no becoming a vampier lord will cure you of being a werewolf176.248.221.32 17:08, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

I agree Todd Howard said it himself at E3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLyTqAQ02B8

And said you could go back to werewolf if you wanted after, so go give it a try Ghostlogic (talk) 06:24, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Xbox live
can you get this without xbox live?

no2.220.104.132 16:34, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Not until the XBox's period of exclusivity is over, then it will be released for the PC and PS3. (Which will obviously not need XBox Live).DarthOrc (talk) 08:57, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

i think he meant if you have a Xbox do you need live to get this176.248.221.32 07:55, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

I believe he meant without gold, aka with silver xbox live ---> If so then you will probibily be able to get it without gold, Microsoft has paid for exclusives before and never made the add-on gold only --> gold gives deals, early demos ,multi, streaming video apps ect .... Never seen Any Gold only add-ons.... of course we will not know for sure until microsoft releases it as they did pay cash for the exclusive and can do what they want ... you should clarify your question Ghostlogic (talk) 06:40, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

One can download the DLC with a Silver account. The DLC can be bought at a game store such as Gamestop, so one needn't buy XBox points from Microsoft.DarthOrc (talk) 19:02, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Map Mistake?
Has anyone else noticed that both the reviewers and the wiki say Markarth and Solitude? Solitude is immediately North of Markarth, and is Northwest on the overland Skyrim map. The other point highlighted in red is far Northeast, closer to Windhelm.


 * You may want to check this map and compare it to an image of the altered map seen in the trailer, you should then be able to see that it is clearly Markarth and Solitude. Tom Talk 21:29, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * It still seems closer to either Dawnstar or Winterhold, by that map.
 * Well it doesn't to me, reviewers and the seemingly the other users, or at least those users that have edited this page. Trust me when I say, you're wrong, I can't tell you what you see but it is clearly Solitude. Just look at the layout of the landscape, it shows that it is Solitude, you can even see the arch that Solitude is on. I don't know what to tell you really as I'm not really sure how you can see what you are claiming to be seeing, just pay closer attention to the details of the map. You can see the symbols of Markarth and Solitude as well - all be it altered - but you can see the ram or Markarth and the wolf of Solitude. Tom Talk 21:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * To clear up the confusion. I made a comparison of the original Skyrim map and the map in the Dawnguard trailer, twisting and reshaping the Skyrim map to roughly overlay the Dawnguard trailer map. I inserted letters to make it easier to find match points on the maps. It should clearly show that the map in the Dawnguard trailer is the Skyrim map, but then slightly rotated and stretched. Tom is very right.Dawnguardmap.jpg

--Saratje (talk) 20:02, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dawnguard are in bottom right east of riften

Ghostlogic (talk) 10:56, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Vampire lord and vampires.
What does this mean for normal vampires, does this add on give all vampires the new powers and shape shifting or is a vampire lord a separate vampire tribe/species?

Say you got infected by a typical wild vampire, would it give all the abilities of the vampire lord (after DG has been installed obviously) or would they remain the same?

Would harken acknowledge you are already a vampire before joining?

Would Alva notice if you a vampire if you're a VL type of vampire?

Of course, these question can likely only be truly answered by those who have played DG and it has not come out yet. The Cruentus (talk) 15:16, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Only by speaking to Harkon can you become a Vampire Lord. Other vampires do not seem like they are written to transform into a Vampire Lord. Harkon does acknowledge that you are a Vampire, but mocks you, saying you "may have contracted a disease, but you are not a true Vampire." There is no dialogue difference bewtween you and NPCs over whether you're a Vampire Lord or not. Fimmion (talk) 06:23, June 27, 2012 (UTC)Fimmion

Location of Dawnguard Fortress
The Dawguard Fortress is obviously located somewhere in the southern areas of "The Reach" As proven by the dwemer/reach style architecture shown in the trailer, and the red dotted Markarth, also shown in the trailer, the map is obviously a war plan, as can be seen by comparing to the maps found in each hold's imperial/stormcloak office with a the maps, and as seen by the map, the Dawnguard occupy the reach, so therefore the Volkihar must be in Haafingar. Whiterun is the location of the blotted sun in the trailer for a reason that may become essential in the plot, Dragonsreach may hold another secret, to be discovered by the Dragonborn. (If only we had some beta-testers filling us in on what they've done and what it has!) Sicknote45 (talk) 04:22, June 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * One of our admins is BETA-testing Dawnguard, but he's been awfully tight-lipped about it. Maybe we can convince him to leak something, even if it's only verbal acquiescence of what we already assume. -- 04:30, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

I Watched the trailer again, does this mean there is a second elder scroll in skyrim...?

Oh an did anyone see how AMAZING that vampire king guy's armor is, im definetly going dawnguard, i want to kill him and GET THAT ARMOR!

I hope they add ornate like gold armor soon .... Sicknote45 (talk) 06:17, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Fort Dawnguard is in the Rift not the Reach and I don't see any resemblance to Dwemer architecture.

In riften's hold, wow, i was waaaay off, i thought it was in Markarth's hold, THe rift, and leave your name next time Sicknote45 (talk) 15:49, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded
I just added two new images I took from Dawnguard's official trailer.

I hope they will be added!

Fuþark (talk) 00:41, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Release Date
The release date stated is only the release date for Xbox 360. I found this misleading, because the release date for PC and PS3 are still unknown. This could use some clarification.


 * The other release dates are near the bottom of the page, but i'll fix the dates for the infobox.


 * Jimeee (talk) 08:54, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Did someone notice that if you go to General Stats and then click quests, there will be a text at the bottom:

Dawnguard quests completed: 0

They said that the dlc will be out a month later for people on pc and ps3 so if you add 30, I bet you will come pretty close to the release dat,e for you guys.

Nights of the Nine Cliche?
I just realized, Dawnguard may be a Night's of the Nine Cliche...

A king [insert race here] raises from the dead to conquer [insert country here] and leaves the hero to destroy him by siding with the order of [insert order here]

the thing that is different is the option to side with the "bad" guy.

Sicknote45 (talk) 16:19, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

plus you need a few more of these situations to call it a cliche, two games with a semi similar (not at all) plot cant be considered a cliche

New dungeon image
I uploaded an image of one of the new dungeons featured in Dawnguard.

Fuþark (talk) 20:15, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

did you take this from your game or from the trailer of the game? Because as of now it is illegal to upload gameplay images from Dawnguard gameplay that is not already published on a website (trailers of game are okay as well as from youtube videos from press released info such as from gamespot)... Mask2697 (talk) 20:16, June 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, it's from the trailer.


 * Jimeee (talk) 20:27, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

About my username
Read about that symbol here.

Fuþark (talk)


 * Okay, just making sure. Sorry for the accusation... Fu-whatever that symbol is-ark...

Question / discussion
So this may sound like a silly question, but are there any indications as to what kind of DLC this will be regarding location, what I mean is will it be similar to Dead Money in NV where you go to a new area, complete the quests and then return with whatever new content (crossbows etc.) or will it just add these new items and allow you to complete dawnguard quests in your own time? I hope someone understands what I'm asking. Thanks :) Mark K Bergin (talk) 14:07, June 21, 2012 (UTC) Mark K


 * It will be nothing like NV, Bethesda has repeatedly voiced their regrets on how DLC content for those games were made. Basically, they made the map a bit bigger so that you can walk further, and added those castles in those new areas. It's just like Skyrim 'grew' a little, with Skyrim looking the same but with new bits grown onto it. Saratje (talk) 01:17, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Normal vampires cannot turn into bats
Hey, all! I would like to clarify on the fact that normal vampires cannot turn into bats, Vampire Lords can. Therefore, this image, if you look carefully at the trailer, shows a Vampire Lord, not a normal vampire.

Proof #1

Both images show a Vampire Lord. Allright, the lesson is over! :P

Note that this is not leaked info, but a mere conclusion that I have made watching carefully both the trailer and the E3 demo.

Fuþark (talk)

Here is a question, anyone recognize that bow in the first picture? Its not daedric and it doesnt look like its the Nightingale bow, so any ideas? Wiki Contributor June 22 7:10 UTC

I thought the bow looked like a dwarves bow in strange lighting to give it that silvery look

I think that bow looks AWESOME! The vampiresque touch is dark and evil.

Fuþark (talk) 16:00, June 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * The image caption clearly states that the bow is a Dragonbone Bow. -- 16:03, June 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I dont think it is.
 * Here is an image of the Dragonbone bow:
 * images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120621150215/elderscrolls/images/2/25/Dragonbone_bow.png
 * And here is the image Fuþark provided us:
 * images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120622003709/elderscrolls/images/f/ff/Vampire_Lord_comparison_1.png


 * The picture Fuþark provided shows a strong light source coming from the right as well as from the front. So its safe to say, that this coloration is intentional.


 * Looking over the bows and others provided on this wiki, it does not match any see so far when compared to the one showed in Fuþark's Proof #1 image. It has a fairly angular looking appearence and an ebony-like coloration to it. Its not an ebony bow since it has a far more detailed appearence, its not the Nightingale bow since the design of it is fairly curved, and its definitly not the daedric bow since it does not have the red glow or the silver curve. So is this an entirely new bow or is it a glitch within Bethesda's own tailer?


 * (Edit: Removed illegal link)


 * wiki contributor 21:35, June 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was unaware of the bow in the second image. Difficult to see since it's practically the same color as the background. At any rate, it could be one of multiple things: Auriel's Bow, Cannon of Aetherius (or Aetherius Gun), or Zephyr (Karliah's Bow). These items were mentioned in a Russian leak of the Dawnguard BETA. -- 22:28, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Dawnguard delayed for non English territories
From @ElderScrolls:

Dawnguard will be out Tusday for 360 in English. 1.6 patch for 360 coming next week and Dawnguard FIGS will be out mid-July.

FIGS = France, Italy, Germany, Spain.

Price
How much will it be in Microsoft Pointa? Any ideas? And size, how much will it be in Gigabytes?

As stated in the article, it will be 1600 points. Mark K Bergin (talk) 14:02, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Id guessitimate its gonna be about 2 gigs or 1.5 judging on the size of shivering isles

I believe the download was about 563 megs or somewhere around there, big but no Shivering Isles for sure  ~8Shell

Possible Increased Health?
So I was on GameInformer (using the links from the references at the bottom of the page), and I noticed a level 46 Vampire Lord with 745 health, on the skill tree. I'm curious as to see if there will be increased health for this new addition. Of course, he could just have enchanted armor to grant him/her more health, but still... I thought it was worth mentioning. DraGGonized (talk) 04:58, June 24, 2012 (UTC)DraGGonized

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Dawnguard Ghostlogic (talk) 06:43, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mounted Combat
Is not part of the dlc, as it's available right now. So does anyone have a problem if I remove that from this article? Mictlantecuhtli (talk) 05:00, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

It's being added to consoles since it isn't available for them yet.  ╚╦ Θάνατος  ╦╝  00:11, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

But its available to 360 users. Its just no available for PS3 users., The king of war (talk)The king of war.

Achievments
A New You – Change Your Face 20G

Awakening – Complete “Awakening” 20G

Beyond Death – Complete “Beyond Death” 20G

Kindred Judgement – Complete “Kindred Judgment” 40G

Lost To The Ages – Complete “Lost To The Ages” 30G

Soul Tear – Learn All Three Words Of Soul Tear 20G

Auriel’s Bow – Use The Special Power Of Auriel’s Bow 20G

Werewolf Mastered – Acquire 11 Werewolf Perks 20G

Vampire Mastered – Acquire 11 Vampire Perks 20G

Legend – Defeat A Legendary Dragon 40G

http://www.examiner.com/article/skyrim-dawnguard-expansion-achievements-leak

http://www.justpushstart.com/2012/06/skyrim-dawnguard-dlc-achievements-revealed/

http://www.gamefront.com/skyrim-dawnguard-dlc-achievements/

Ghostlogic (talk) 06:52, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Where is the guy who chages your face?
I've searched the ratways, and I can't find him, any help?

The woman who can alter your appearance(Galathil) sits right across from Tonilia's normal seat in the Ragged Flaggen.She will alter your appearence for 1,000 septims,a reminder that you cannot change races but only facial apperance ~8Shell

How can I join the Dawnguard!
I have been looking for the Dawnguards so many times. I really need some help here.

The Guards dont help. Pressed A over and over but no success.

Most Inn rumors dont tell anything.

I have checked the Daysprings Canyon over and over but I couldn't see the cave.

No couriers coming.

Says level 10 but I am Level 28.

Where could the facial guy in the ratways be?

If one of you is so kind, plz reply.

Jackalex13 (talk) 14:35, June 26, 2012 (UTC)Jackalex13

To find the Dawnguard Castle you must walk around any major city(or so I believe as I was walking around Whiterun,Windhelm, and Riften and heard talk from all of them)and the guards will mention the Dawnguard being brought back and their eagerness to join.Like most places of interest guards talk about they will enter the location on your map and you will have the option to search for the Dawnguard.I suggest talking to the guards in Riften since it is the closest hold to the Dawnguard. ~8Shell

P.S. Look at the above question for your answer on the Facial Change

Do you need to create new profile for dawn guard?


 * Only if you joined the vampires and can't reload an older save. I guess what your asking is: do you need to create a new character to play the DLC? The answer is no. You can use your pre-existing Skyrim files. In fact, some of the things you do/do not do in Skyrim will affect your Dawnguard playthough. -- 18:57, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Is Harkon always bad?
Posting this because I'm sure there are at least fifteen different ways to end the questline. Is it possible to side with Harkon and actually put the sun out forever? It seems like even without siding with the Dawnguard and going with the Vampires that the quest is rigged to stop Harkon. Fimmion (talk) 06:33, June 27, 2012 (UTC)Fimmion