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S&#039;Dalaar the Snowcat wrote: Ulfric did legally win the traditional duel. But the Imperials ruling the city care little for Nord traditions and only to maintain their own power and influence. Also Ulfric's duel was viewed as a direct disobedience to his Imperial superiors, making them look weak. So of course they couldn't let him get away. Also, the rebellion started with the death of Torygg which, according to Hadvar, happened a few months ago of the Dragonborn being captured. Not years. Just clearing that up.

You realize how ridiculous it sounds? Rikke mentions that: " ''Not everyone's agreed to the Moot." ''Its a lot more than just Ulfric being in the way. It is half of Skyrim. Not just a single man.

Ulfric got permission and was contracted by Jarl Hrolfdir and his son Igmund. It was not done on his own initative. He kept the Empire out because they wanted to break the agreement between Ulfric and the Jarl of Markarth. If a smith is contracted to make a blade for a customer and the customer doesnt pay his due, the smith has the right to claim possession of the blade. It is no different in Ulfric's case.



Hey, guess what? Riften is one of the most welcoming and open-hearted cities in Skyrim. And it is also a Stormcloak town. Also the Reach treat the Reachmen far more cruelly than the Dunmer in Windhelm. And it is an Imperial controlled city. Not every Stormcloak is racist. And not every Imperial cares for the well-being of their citizens.



Are you actually serious?! So you are telling me that the people got along with Dunmer and Argonians just fine and when Ulfric came to power, everyone magically turned into racists?! Unless you have some valid evidence, I'm just going to call BS on that.



The book "The Great War" says that both sides were exhausted after reclaiming the Imperial city. There is no mention at all the the Dominion would have won the war, since both sides were equal in strength. In fact, the book alludes to that the Empire could have defeated the Dominion if the Emperor kept his nerve. Don't know where you are getting your facts from, in all honesty...



When the Dragonborn purchases property, he pays for his/her own renovations of that home. Same goes for every other citizen of Skyrim. I don't know where you got the idea that the Jarl pays for all the homes in his hold. If that was the case, I would imagine the Jarl going broke. No one is entitled to free renovations. The Dunmer lives in the Gray Quarter because there is no room anywhere else. Not because they were forced. Also none of the Dunmer ever use the word "forced" when they describe their situation. And it isn't sure if it Ulfric's degree to keep the Argonians out of the city. The Argonians say so, but in the book "Scourge of the Gray Quarter" says that the Argonian Assemblage existed thanks to Hoag Mer-Killer since the first era.

  Before an Imperial victory:

 Tullius: "You people and your damn Jarls."

 Tullius:  "You Nords and your bloody sense of honor."

''Tullius: "The provinces would fall into barbarism and lawlessness. Especially Skyrim." (implying that the Nords are all barbarians)''

After an Imperial victory:

Tullius: "I've come to respect them

<p style="font-weight:normal;">The Empire is greedy and only desires power. And Tullius is still racist towards Nords.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> <p style="font-weight:normal;">How is it cheating? There is no rule against the use of the Voice. Anything goes in a duel. It is only cheating if he broke a rule, which he didn't. <p style="font-weight:normal;"> The Empire cannot keep their Holds safe either. And where does it says he "force-recruits soldiers"? And that is what Ulfric says over and over; to rebuild his country to glory days. The Empire fight purely for maintaining control, no matter if Skyrim remains stagnant or not.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> <p style="font-weight:normal;">Where does it say he is an ex-Thalmor agent? I have a feeling your are pulling a lot of crap out your ass. He was a soldier who was captured, interrogated and then released. No mention of him being an agent.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> <p style="font-weight:normal;">"The Bear of Markarth" is a flawed book, not because it was written by an Imperial, but because it doesn't make any sense with the rest of the game. There is absolutely nothing backing up that book. Not a single mention of Ulfric doing anything. However, there are records of the Imperial Jarl of Markarth committing atrocities: "The Nords didn't care who was and who wasn't involved in the Forsworn Uprising. I had spoken to Madanach once, that was enough. But my little Aethra didn't want to see her papa leave her. She pleaded to the Jarl to take her instead. And after they made me watch as her head rolled off the block, they threw me in here anyway, to dig up their silver." - Braig'

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> <p style="font-weight:normal;margin-bottom:0px!important;">Um, no... Pleased actually read his dialogue before making such claims:

<p style="font-weight:normal;">"Skyrim was betrayed, the blood of her sons spilled in doomed struggle against fate. And so in death, too late, I learn the truth - fed by war, so waxed the power of Alduin, World-Eater - wisdom now useless. By gods' jest in this grim mist together snared, Stormcloak and Imperial, we wander hopeless, waiting for succor."

<p style="font-weight:normal;">He makes no mention that it was his fate was to win or lose. He is talking about the fact the that while the war rage on, Alduin had grown stronger with every fallen soldier. Ulfric was expressing his regrets that he started a war during such a dire situation.

Ulfric challenged Torygg, that's the Nordic custom. Ulfric shouted during said duel, not part of the custom, thus cheating. The only one who didn't care for Nord tradition was Ulfric, with his betrayal of the Greybeards, Moot and High King. The rebellion started a few years prior to the death of Torygg, talk to Vulwulf Snow-Shod, he'll tell you all about it.

Not everyone's agreed to the Moot without doubt is because of Ulfric. The Moot which elected Torygg was fair and square, if it weren't there wouldn't have been a Moot to begin with. Remember what Galmar says?

Galmar: 'The Jarls are upset, they don't all support you.'

Ulfric: 'Damn the Jarls.'

Galmar: 'They demand the Moot.'

Ulfric: 'And damn the Moot!'

So? Hrolfdir and Igmund had no right to hire anybody, Ulfric should've told them no. The only different is that in this case, is that the smith gave it to the customer, then it turned out the customer owned a debt so the debt owner came to claim the sword, but the smith still wants to get paid, but no longer by the customer but by the people who came to collect the debt. Not to forget, at the time Ulfric was a Thalmor agent.

Too bad Jarl Laila won't rule over Skyrim, Ulfric represents the core of the Stormcloaks, when he leads, Skyrim will become an image of Windhelm. Not to forget, Laila only supports Ulfric for wanting to get rid of the WGC, nothing else. No they don't, they treat Forsworn badly, and that's because they fight them. The Dunmer are segregated as are the Argonians, both of which are because of Ulfric's racism. The head of both governments shows their image, Elisif and Titus show that they care for the people, so did Torygg. Ulfric shows disdain towards non-Nords, a certain failure of economics, a failure of security and, not to forget, terrible racism.

Ever heard of the 'Scourge of the Gray Quarter'? Ever heard how the Dunmer and Argonians talk about Ulfric? They hate Ulfric, Ulfric's a racist and, because he's the Jarl, people started acting like he did. And of course you call it BS, you dislike it.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">'Only by signing the peace treaty known as the White-Gold Concordat was the Empire able to survive the onslaught of the high elven Aldmeri Dominion, and thus end the Great War.' -Loading Screen, Skyrim

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Of course, Stormcloaks such as yourself only take a look at the speculations and rarely at the facts. If you did, you would've known that the Redguards only claimed it would've been enough to defeat the Dominion, but the lore states different.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">.Are you seriously this ignorant? The people pay taxes, what do you think happens with taxes? Same thing as in real life, restoration if needed. The only reason there is no room anywhere is because of game mechanics. According to the lore, even if there would be room the Dunmer wouldn't be allowed out. They say they have to live somewhere, so they are forced to live somewhere. Can't you read context? And yes it was Ulfric's decree.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">'Did you know it was Ulfric's decree that forbade us from living inside the city walls?' - Scouts-Many-Marshes

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">The Empire isn't greedy and doesn't desire power, Ulfric does. Tullius isn't racist towards Nords, he just hates their culture, and logically so, it's hindering him at every turn. Also, you quote Tullius when he's speaking about Balgruuf refusing the Legion's right, I quoted Ulfric when he and Galmar were speaking of the Jarls about the Moot big difference between the two. Also, isn't Ulfric the living evidence that Skyrim would fall into barbarism and lawlessness? <p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">There is no rule permitting it either. Unless if it's stated something is allowed it isn't, that's duel custom for you right there. Torygg says Ulfric's honor is stained, there's no point in spreading lies in Sovngarde, and he isn't doing so either.

<p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;"> Please, do prove that the Empire can't keep their Holds safe. That's what Ulfric's plan is, to rebuild Skyrim into a powerful army -- aka -- force-recruit soldiers. Ulfric fights because he wants the throne, the Empire fights Ulfric because they don't want an idiot on the throne. Do you have any idea what the word asset means? Ulfric was a Thalmor Agent from somewhere during the Great War until 4E 176. 'After the war contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.' -Thalmor Dossier: Ulfric StormcloakCut out the ignorance. Nothing backing it up? Ever heard of Nepos the Nose? He basically confirms the book, and afterward, tries to have you killed for knowing too much. Also, just so you know, the guards of Markarth were bribed by the Silver-Bloods, who support the Stormcloaks, Braig being imprisoned is to blame on them, not Hrolfdir, not Igmund, but the Silver-Bloods. 'Doomed struggle against fate.' thank you for reading. Tell me, what was his struggle? Exactly, the war, he states his war was destined to fail.