Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-72.74.78.209-20141019230536/@comment-6685058-20141213215104

Oshokolis wrote: Hard to know if "everyone" hates Ulfric, but I will take your point, he is quite a polarising figure. Obviously if you're a Stormcloak supporter/troop then you'll be a fan of his, if you're not, then there isn't any great reason to like him (that's not to say that you hate him though).

Reasons to dislike/hate Ulfric -

If you are any race other than a Nord the general Stormcloak army are not gonna be your biggest fan, even if Ulfric does not share these opinions, it reflects badly on him, as he is there leader and should encourage discipline rather than just mindless racism.

Argonians aren't allowed inside the city walls.

Dunmer are segregated within the city and it is known that they are treated poorly.

By starting a rebellion he has brought a Civil War to Skyrim, which has/will cost many lives on both sides and still doesn't help the fact that the Thalmor will be waiting regardless of the outcome of the war.

The war unfortunately is exactly what the Thalmor want and they want it to continue for as long as possible, becoming a war of attrition. If it was possible for the difference to be put aside for a few moments, if the Empire and Stormcloaks could work together (as many of the fighter are ex-imperial troops anyway) then perhaps the Thalmor could have been given some trouble and there would have been all round support from the vast majority of Skyrim and the rest of Tamriel. 1) During Diplomatic Immunity, in the Thalmor Embassy, you can recover a book that talks about Ulfric being tortured by the Thalmor before being released on purpose. It might've been at their little place in Solitude, I cannot remember. The point is that Ulfric had fought hard in the Great War for basically nothing and torture. The. 2)  The Thalmor incited the rebllions in Valenwood, Elswyere (forgive my spelling), the infighting between the Forebears and Crowns in Hammerfell, and now it looks like Skyrim. Why does no one suspect the Thalmor for the Void Nights? Firstly there is no evidence that Daedra or Aedra did this, so unless the Dwemner are behind it: the Thalmor caused the Void Nights to gain the support of the Khajit. Every freakin thing since Oblivion that has gone wrong can bet traced back to the Thalmor in an attempt to weaken the Empire (save Infernal City and those books, and Vivec City falling down and the resulting catastrophes). We can assume therefore that the Stormcloaks who are fighting to remove the Thalmor created White-Gold Concordant, to remove the influence of the Thalmor on Skyrim way of life, are under the influence of the Thalmor the whole time. 3) Betheseda never makes a completely right choice since New Vegas. Both factions had pros and cons. It is tiring and stupid that no faction is just slightly wrong, but so wrong in so many ways that both factions end up sickening you. 4)  Notice how many bad breaks the Empire had to experience for this grey situation to even occur? The Empire lost most of its provinces without even realizing it from an OP Aldemeri Dominion. They then had. How could the Aldemeri have the firepower to take the Imperial Legions and allied troops if they were "cleansing" Valenwood? The Fifth Legion is going toe to toe with a whole province's rebellion (the Civil War), then how the heck does the Aldemeri Dominion, minus the Wood Elves and possibly Khajit to "ethnic cleansing" could possibly take on eighteen Legions? The Legions only draw on Imperials mostly, and Ulfric and mentioning of Al'kir soldiers fighting in the Great Wars gives proof of even more of a tactical advantage to the Empire in the War. So after a seemingly impossible series of bad turn of events, the Empire, with still superior numbers (greatly superior), still get sucker punched by the Aldemeri Dominion. Then after the Battle of the Red Ring, the Emperor peas his pants over seeing the dead of the battle and signs the White-Gold Concordant. Then the redguards win back the southern coast of Hammerfell, so, at what reason did Titus Mede II not go in and reconquer the Aldemeri Dominion? 5) Everyone not a Stormcloak, even hold guards within Stormcloak friendly holds, mention that Ulfric shouted the High King to pieces. It is true that he challenged him, this was honorable. It is most likely true that in Ulfric own description that he plunged the sword into the High King's chest. But neither of those. Skyrim players even have in game proof from the Queen and her court wizard that he was shouted to pieces, we can assume the court wizard is unbiased, as most of the wizards in Skyrim seem to not give a crap about the ongoing Civil War.

So, I hate Ulfric because he is someone making the situation worse for nothing. After all, he represents a factions of magic-hating, bigot, stubborn, and nord supremists.