The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Administrators/SuperSajuuk

Administrator nomination for

So let's try again with this, now that the system has been changed to be applications and not nominations.

I believe I would be a good sysop for this wiki for several reasons: Please discuss below and place a vote. Please note that I expect sysops and crats to take the discussion into account and prioritise the discussion over the vote counts. Please inform me below immediately if I've missed a policy that disallows this application.
 * 1) I have decent knowledge of JS/CSS/Templates etc, which has normally been handed by Flightmare, but he isn't as active as he used to be.
 * 2) I have experience of being a sysop on other wiki's for which I've helped to standardise said wiki's (which either had no policies or very confusing policies)
 * 3) I can assist editors with any issues they're having and I'm very approachable for any issues users may have with the wiki.
 * 4) I would be able to assist with many other parts of the wiki, as well as providing users with better tools to improve their ability to contribute to the wiki.
 * 5) I have access to a bot to run semi-automated edits, which is an issue that has plagued us since Tomb left (only having DwemerBot, which she won't provide to us for various reasons).

--Sajuuk talk 10:15, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Support
I'm definitely supporting on this one. Not only do I think Spey has the ability to be the best administrator we have currently, but the best one that the wiki has had. Period. He certainly cares more about the site than anyone else that's been here, and most of his ideas are pretty solid in terms of functionality.

His temper is lesser than some mentionable people that have had this position, but for the sake of decency I will not use their names. I don't recall Spey ever telling users they are cunts and motherfuckers for asking an honest, respectful question. I don't recall Spey ever consensus someone out of bias. I don't recall Spey stalking users around the wiki and yelling at them for lesser things, ignoring the major faults of others for some stupid buzz.

At this point, ever option is do or die for the wiki. Every day we just waste more time. Spey has had the ideas necessary to keep this wiki afloat for over a year and a half now, and every time someone gave him a chance, it showed to have a MAJOR reward, and a little risk. There is no question about this. ShawnHowellsCP (talk) 18:27, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yes! He deserves Admin and I think his ideas for the site would do good. :) Zippertrain85 (talk) 19:48, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Oh my God! Finally Saj is running! He's done so much for the wiki, and I fully believe he could do some real good with sysop rights. - 15:02, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Changed my vote to support. Everything has it's flaws. There's always a catch to everything. No action is without consequence. Sajuuk clearly has the necessary skills to help contribute to the development of this wiki.

As what I said before, I still don't understand why others are clinging into a dying system that brought nothing but drama and decline to this wiki. Every bit of time wasted contribute nothing to this wiki, and there is no such thing as 'perfect'. --HumbleDaedricServant Talk 16:39, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

I believe I've already made myself clear in the comments section about my status on whether or not Spey should be an administrator.

Spey has been a staff member before, so he already knows what he has to do. The only things he'd need to learn are the new adjustments, modifications, and requirements of being an administrator. I've already said before he has had a temper in the past. However, it has severely lessened since he was first a staff member. Spey has learned from his mistakes. High King Dragonborn (talk) 18:42, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose
I'm sorry Spey, but I have to oppose on this one. Not on basis of your talent - because yes, everybody knows you care about this wiki, are good at coding (from what I have seen) and so on - but rather on the basis of your temper. From what I've seen, you're occasionally short tempered in discussions with other people. If your reactions are justifiable or not (believe me, I often agree with things you say in discussions) is a wholly different matter, but in my opinion, admins should constantly have a cool point of view and neutral temper. This vote is, however, not static at all. If I see one or two weeks of you being completely cool in discussions, I'd readily support this, without questions or negative points. Pelinal the Whitestrake, the Bloody and Insurgent (talk) 16:04, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

I do not believe Sajuuk is ready to become staff, in the very least admin on this wiki. Everyone should apply for õther staff positions before admin. Even if they think they are "knowledgeable enough" Being patroller/chat/forum mod isn't only a staff position, its also used to test valid and active users on the wiki and see if they are ready for admin. So if you're gonna apply anywhere, then it should be on patroller first. Also i've noticed your behaviour can get out of hand and that you publicly tell people negative remarks, which cannot happen if you're admin since admins need to be good examples, and show the prober way to act, behave, and edit. 16:06, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

No hard feelings. I mentioned in the Consensus that users would always need to have a staff position before becoming an administrator, that still stands. I did have thoughts that you would seize the opportunity to re-apply, but not this suddenly. ☞ Rim < Talk 18:36, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

After a long reflexion on the matter, i'm not sure SS should become administrator yet. Even if he's good at editing and JS and has good knowledge of Wikia, anf JS stuff, i dont believe it takes only knowledges to become administrator but,  it also takes a good attitude socialy. it happens that you have some strange opinions on stuff and you may expose thems rudely, wich is not the way an administrator should act. There is also the fact that you never accept that you could be wrong, and thoses who aren't of the same opinion than yours are actually wrong. Anyway, Even if you have learned from your past mistakes, it is not yet enough to become administrator on the TES. Also, you should try to work with the community a bit more. You may seem like if you were working alone, like i already told you on IRC. And, your attitude, you should work on it too. You may seem a bit rude sometime, and an administrator should get along with the community, in order to gain their trust. You get really angry and thus, really easily. So, as AES said, work on your temper, cool down a bit, and try to look a bit more friendly. Oh and, for the codage, you dont need to be administrator to help with codage, you may help without having the rights  to edit yourself. Emperor Jarjarkine   The Ragged Flagon - Cistern  19:27, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Comments
I will not get involved in anything here. I will leave the community to decide this. However, I would be appreciative if people could not oppose on the basis of "you must be patroller first", because the policy says that anyone may nominate themselves and I'm pretty sure that many can see that I'm knowledgeable enough not to need to go through an intermediate first. --Sajuuk talk 10:15, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

@ Goldenfire: I completely oppose the supposed requirement of being a Patroller to become a sysop. This system is a remnant of a regime only letting people gain power who are loyal to them and virtually suck up on them - a system we do not need nor should have anymore. Our current sysops are, thankfully, working on removing this system, and I believe that this is great. Want a reason? Only allowing Patrollers to become Admins severely limits the possible pool of sysops to ones who are only focused on mainspace editing; this should be prevented at any cost, as this would plain and simply cause the same effect which took place in the wiki roughly a year ago, specifically during the entire Jimeee/Autoblood/etc drama. We are a community, not a website of cliques vying for their own power. I'd love to see someone become an Admin purely on basis of their successes in the Forums and the Chat, because those successes are immensely beneficial to the wiki as well. If the chat's community wouldn't have existed, then this wiki would still be under a tight grip of Jimeee and all other administrators we disposed off last year. Pelinal the Whitestrake, the Bloody and Insurgent (talk) 16:13, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @ Peninal: What i meant to say was become staff before admin, not patroller. And it might have been loyality that made admins before in Jimeee's reign. But with community supporting admins as we have now its more so for teaching staff how to act and edit, behave and so on, before then becoming admin. 16:28, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @ Golden: Spey actually used to be a staffmember until he was ZERG-CT'd out of his position. He has a broad history of supporting staff, espescially Chat and Forum staff. Pelinal the Whitestrake, the Bloody and Insurgent (talk) 16:31, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @ Peninal: My understanding is that he wasn't "ZERG-CT'd" out of the position. But it was his own inexperience and attitude as staff that was. He then got super pissed and was banned, further showing he is not capable. I'll use the CT as example. 16:45, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @ Golden: He actualy had a lot experience back then, considering he was a staff member for about half a year (I think) when he got CT'd. The CT happened because of a very specific feud back then, not because of incapability to moderate from the side of Spey. Pelinal the Whitestrake, the Bloody and Insurgent (talk) 16:47, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @ Peninal: Its not how it happend thats important, its whats written in the replies that bothers me. Alot of users from that thread also agrees that he says alot of very troublesome stuff, even seen a trustworthy user i know say he "jokes telling others to kill themselves" and admitting to ignoring chat rules. I do however agree with him being a pretty alright editor, just not staff. 16:57, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I said I wouldn't get involved, but I should point a few things out: 1) I've been a staff member on multiple wiki's and know all the tools. 2) I've been a staff member on this wiki before. 3) I've helped out many of our staff members, past and present with any issues. That's all I'll mention on this matter. --Sajuuk talk 18:47, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Golden: I'd like to answer a few things. First off, these statements.
 * "My understanding is that he wasn't "ZERG-CT'd" out of the position. But it was his own inexperience and attitude as staff that was. He then got super pissed and was banned, further showing he is not capable."
 * That's fair enough. Except when Pelinal replied, "He actualy had a lot experience back then, considering he was a staff member for about half a year (I think) when he got CT'd."
 * and you replied, "Its not how it happend thats important..." I'm guessing from your statement above that you don't know or don't understand what happened to Spey and why he isn't a staff member anymore. "The CT happened because of a very specific feud back then, not because of incapability to moderate from the side of Spey."
 * Now I'm not going to lie here, Spey/Sajuuk has had in the past a short temper, however he's done excellent work, given excellent ideas, and remained a positive and active figure in the Wiki, both on chat and on the forums themselves.
 * I'd also like to point out that you said, "Its not how it happend thats important, its whats written in the replies that bothers me. Alot of users from that thread also agrees that he says alot of very troublesome stuff..."
 * To which I would like to counter with Pelinal's statement yet again, "The CT happened because of a very specific feud back then..." The Feud is long gone by now. Spey/Sajuuk's skills and ideas have not, however. Even as a non-staff member, he still contributes, as I said earlier.
 * However I must ask. In your most recent post, you told Pelinal,
 * "a trustworthy user i know say he "jokes telling others to kill themselves" and admitting to ignoring chat rules."
 * Who is this trustworthy user? What is your proof that he is trustworthy?  Is your only proof that he is trustworthy that you know him? --High King Dragonborn (talk) 18:55, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Sajuuk: You were staff on the wiki til you got banned, now you have to go through the process again.
 * @High King: I know it started with a feud, i read that. However in the replies you can still see admins and old users say different examples on how Sajuuk is, you can even see Sajuuk demonstrate how Sajuuk is.
 * What i read. The user is a Wikia helper and i personally know the user, if you don't trust her then theres nothing i can do about that 19:08, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * listen just because Yatalu who happens to be involved with Wikia has an opinion on something, doesn't mean it's the truth. You do know Staff is capable of being wrong, right? Seriously, this whole mentality that the Staff and whatever know everything and are always right is what made this Wiki become authoritarian. Because users just blindly believed in people, who have shown they didn't deserve it! I know Yatalu and she is an alright user, but she ISN'T some all-knowing guru who's never wrong. Just point that out Zippertrain85 (talk) 19:59, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Golden, considering you personally know the user doesn't mean what he or she says is factually correct. It just means that you are biased in your response, most of the time, if it means defending said person.
 * I am responding to Emperor Jarjarkine's oppose vote here:
 * " i dont believe it takes only knowledges to become administrator but, it also takes a good attitude socialy"
 * While this is only your opinion, which I will respect totally, the requirements do very clearly state: "Exceptions CAN be made for users who might not fit one or more of the points listed above". I have actually been working very well with my social skills, which is why you don't see me going around cussing out users when they post something I do not like: I keep my cool all the time and don't swear to make a point.
 * "There is also the fact that you never accept that you could be wrong, and thoses who aren't of the same opinion than yours are actually wrong."
 * You are wrong, I actually can accept when I may be wrong in some things, I have even prefaced some posts with "I could be wrong, though" whenever I am not sure. I can name many other users who are incapable of accepting they may be wrong about something, but I will leave them nameless so as not to cause issues. So what's the point you are trying to make?
 * "Oh and, for the codage, you dont need to be administrator to help with codage, you may help without having the rights to edit yourself."
 * There are some coding aspects that are sysop only, such as abuse filters and JS/CSS: I have had to ask sysops to do certain things because I'm not able to do it myself. How do you expect me to edit these without the sysop flag? I can't keep asking every other sysop to keep going around editing the JS/CSS files since I already know that, barring Flightmare, the other sysops don't know much about coding (not intended to offend).
 * You also repeated the same points several times, as though to emphasise a point. I haven't been rude in several days and I haven't been short tempered for a while, even though it may look like I have been rude. I have been friendly with many users, again even though it may not look it.
 * As said by several users above, people make mistakes. Nobody is perfect: I'm not sure why so many expect people to be 100% perfect and never wrong, because that mentality is just what will prevent anything happening to improve the wiki. --Sajuuk talk 19:37, April 5, 2015 (UTC)