Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-24075086-20150704001119

College Mage: Ferris wrote: Phantasys wrote: College Mage: Ferris wrote: Glad to see you back Phantasys, it's been too long.

I have to ask if you truly believe there is no difference when it was you yourself arguing how the Thalmor plan... There is so much wrong with that. First of all most of the dominion soldiers have no idea that top brass is fucking crazy. Most soldiers and officers actually believe they're helping the humans become more civilized... I've seen no evidence that suggests the Empire is pushing for Akatosh as a sort of primary god above the rest. They use him as their symbol as He helped form the Empire, but I havnt run across any imperial suggesting worship of "akatosh and friends" instead of "The Eight". The Nords all still worship Akatosh as well, so this whole theory you keep saying suggesting the Empire is somehow knowingly helping the Thalmor doesnt make sense.

I'm admittedly ignorant to the lore surrounding the gods, So I ask you enlighten me a bit here, because I can't find any information that suggests Akatosh has now become Auri-El, and that anyone worshipping him is unknowingly leading to the demise of man. as a side note - If the Stormcloaks listed this as a primary reason why they were fighting specifically the Empire, they might have earned some points with me.

Your suggestion that they are "fundamentally the same" is inaccurate at best, and I think even YOU know that. I totally can understand not liking the Empire, or angry at how it currently runs, but you cannot be so blinded with hate as to think theres no difference between the Thalmor and the Empire.

Stormcloaks dont force their way of life?


 * Madena:  "Yes, that's exactly what I'm asking. I'm not a Nord, I'm a Breton, and I have no wish to fight this war."

        Skald:  "I don't think so, Madena. There will be no deserters in this hold, and that's final."


 * Galmar:  "The people are behind you."

        Ulfric:  "Many I fear still need convincing."   

        Galmar:  "Then let them die with their false kings."

Even ignoring the treatment of elves of all kinds. Theres plenty of dialog in the game to suggest the Nords see themselves as superior rulers of Skyrim, and to hell with everyone else. Their own battle cry is "Skyrim is for the Nords" for gods sake.

and finally, where is the evidence that specifically the Empire treats its commoners like dirt? As opposed to the Stormcloaks? Wheres the evidence they treat the commoners any better? Why the flying fuck SHOULDN'T the nords rule their own home? You don't go to High Rock and tell them to accept high elf control, or Morrowind and have nords tell them what to do. So why in Oblivion should the nords put up with other races telling them how to live?

About the gods...Akatosh has NO mentions before the Alessian Rebellion. He's a false god created when Alessia spread the legend of the Amulet of King's coming from the heart of Akatosh...which is COMPLETELY wrong and for a VERY good reason. See, the Amulet of Kings was forged by Chim-el Adabal by the Alessians and Chil-el Adabal was a bright red diamond that was formed when a gout of Lorkhan/Shor's blood fell into one of the heartland high elves' magicka wells. The "Blood from the heart" came from Shor and not Auriel the spread of the legend of the time dragon being the source of the blood essentially caged the time dragon within Lorkhan/Shor into the modern god Akatosh. The empire's symbol is a dragon inside a diamond for a reason you know. However now that the basis of the legend the Amulet of Kings is now destroyed, there's nothing keeping Auriel and Shor together and Auriel's now free to try and destroy the world again.