User talk:Timeoin

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== Image tour complete ==

Hi Timeoin, just thought I'd let you know that I just finished a complete tour of the images category. All of the TES images are now accompanied by the esimage tag. I actually only found 17 (besides the dragon language) that needed to have the template added. Let me know if you have other pressing edits you would like done. GramsJ (talk) 04:54, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

{C}Hi Timeoin!

I've just lost the assembled days of contribution to the wiki because of the protest in yesterday. I was in the 24th day, and wanted to reach the 30th in order to get the badge. Is there a way to gain it back somehow? Or should I accept my fate? SzLevente (talk) 09:12, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe that it is a global thing. As far as I know, everyone has been reset to 0 from the thing. It was an unfortunate side effect, and one that we did not realise was going to happen :( Apologies :( Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 09:14, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal
Hey there. This IP is guilty of vandalizing the Atronach Forge page. Thanks. Knives182 (talk) 00:00, January 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * And Sabre Cat has been mangled too. 08:09, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * That one has been dealth with :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 08:14, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Welcome (again)
Thanks for the second welcome, good to know of atleast another Aussie on here.

Actually, a lot of Australians know about SOPA and how bad it is, all my friends do atleast. I doubt it will happen anyway, pretty bad still. --TheFullShrimp (talk) 07:47, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Admin Nomination
Hey Tim, I finally did the nomination thing. If you want to vote, it's here: [http://The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Administrators/Commander Faol http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Administrators/Commander_Faol ]

Thanks Commander Faol (talk) 09:41, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Tim....
Thanks... i think? :P i hope the pics amuse you and not my unpro user page ;)

G0LD3NF1RE Questions Goes Here 12:51, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

User Problem
Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with something.

There is this user, DarthNoobSlayer, he/she's been putting up (his) videos on pages such as Vokun and Krosis. The videos he has posted is what you call, unnecessary. There is already a better video on the page. I've tried to tell him/her but they won't listen. I even put his link and the other link but he/she insists that his/her video is better switches them around so his/her's is first. It's like he/she's advertising his/her videos. Is there anything you can do? Elloabbey (talk) 00:26, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that a page for Gunnar previously existed, but was deleted by you. Gunnar does in fact exist and is seen near the beginning of the game with the Haming when you meet up with Hadvar after jumping out of the tower. Hadvar tells him to get Haming (the kid) to safety. One of his quotes is "Gods guide you, Hadvar." I wanted to verify this with you before recreating the page. Sgt D Grif (talk) 20:43, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hi
I don't know if you've seen this yet, but my bot is now running! 03:23, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Pages to look into
Greetings once again, Timeoin!

I wanted to report a weird glich that occured to me while editing. I rewrote whole Ysgramor page, but whole page got centred for some reason, it wasn't like thet in the review. Could you please fix it for me.

Since I am asking you this there are some other things to report as well.

A suggestion: Category for collections/volumes of books, for pages like this - "Songs of the Return"

Fixes: Thank you for your time and if you could, please, look into other of my recent pages: Men; Return; Five Hundred Companions. Those are certainly full with many imperfections.
 * Race template should have the Akaviri added.
 * Humans page should now redirect to Men.
 * Men of Akavir should redirect to Akaviri ( I'll look into the page after a while )

Ikabite (talk) 19:41, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

{C}Not sure where to post this so figured here was a good spot. I find the characters pages difficult to use. If I click on Skyrim and then use the drop down to select Characters it shows me characters from all Elder Scrolls games. I think it would be a million times more useful if it showed me only Skyrim Characters. If there is a way to do this it needs to be more obvious. Great site by the way.

{C}Not sure where to post this so figured here was a good spot. I find the characters pages difficult to use. If I click on Skyrim and then use the drop down to select Characters it shows me characters from all Elder Scrolls games. I think it would be a million times more useful if it showed me only Skyrim Characters. If there is a way to do this it needs to be more obvious. Great site by the way.

Elchzard
You need to leash your boy Elchzard. This is unacceptable. Winnersusedrugs (talk) 00:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * ROFL. You are pathetic. his "boy"? Who are you to judge what's unacceptable and what isn't? I asked Timeoin if he thought that was unacceptable via IRC, and he said no, it was perfectly alright. Don't be so disrespectful, or you'll end up getting blocked for it - And probably not by me. Elchzard  (Talk to me.) 00:55, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, copy/pasting my signature == Fail. Elchzard  (Talk to me.) 00:56, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah I was just trying to copy past your name...is that a reason to make fun of me? I can't believe you're the one accusing me of not being civil...dude, you said it was late...maybe it's time you went to bed. You're seriously overreacting to everything. Winnersusedrugs (talk) 01:03, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what? I can't be bothered. First - Learn to indent properly. Second - Posting in a disrespectful manner about me to the talkpage of someone who's on equal footing with me in terms of user rights != civil. That is all. Elchzard  (Talk to me.) 01:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ohh so since I appealed to the #1 here to ask that you be held to the same standards that I am, I'm being awful somehow? You were accusing me of being the not civil one long before I left that message, nice try. I did nothing to you, and you're acting completely emotional. Winnersusedrugs (talk) 01:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Jesus - give it up Winnersusedrugs. You do this everytime and try to make it out like you are an innocent victim. Let's not forget the utter disrespect you have shown on this very page. Crying to Timeoin every time you are told off won't help. Jimeee (talk) 14:25, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Elch says this matter was resolved via IRC Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 14:28, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

mythic dawn
In skyrim or oblivion can iu join the mythic dawn or similar cults
 * Please remember to sign talk pages with four tildes (~). I've taken care of it for you this. At any rate, I may be able to answer your question. In Skyrim, the Mythic Dawn is all but eradicated. Only the relics of their cult exist. In Oblivion, the hero must join the Mythic Dawn cult as part of the main quest, to steal the Mysterium Xarxes from Mankar Camoran. The admission into the cult is superficial, comparable with undercover detective work. Hope that answers your question. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  01:02, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Otar's Mad Guardians
FYI, I just went through Ragnvald, no such quest is there, what starts the quest? As far as I can tell it is only due to receiving the Letter from A Friend. Just curious as I don't remember it the first play through and went to Ragnvald to see if it was there. Neguy71inok (talk) 03:21, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think its just a Miscellaneous Objective, as in Miscellaneous > Miscellaneous on the quest menu, I did get the Unlock the Sarcophagus in Ragnvald from picking up one of the skull keys, but that was it. Not sure if you really want to open that up to pages though, hard enough to track all the misc. tasks we can have as it is. Other dungeon Quests as listed on Quests (Skyrim) are actual Miscellaneous Quests in the game menu, like The Lost Expedition. Just a thought, I was going to put up the delete notice, but wanted to verify in game first. Neguy71inok (talk) 03:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Imperial Letter
Done. I've put in the location where you can find the letter. It's inside Shor's Watchtower. I also linked Shor's Watchtower to the page Imperial Letter. Is that enough?

About Otar's Mad Guardians, i really don't know. I've never encountered that name ingame and obviously cleared Ragnvald. I don't have the Skyrim Guide so i can't verify that. I don't think the name is being used ingame, thats why i put it up for deletion yesterday. Kennyannydenny (talk) 08:58, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Just so you know
I know, but still, thanks for pointing that out. I can't wait for the next patch, fixing blood on the ice and finally i can start Dampened Spirits, which would not start for me. (Yey, then i can get the last two achievements i still need)

But a lot of the bugs mentioned aren't fixed in the next patch, i hope the problems around Skjor being alive get fixed, so that i can enter Hag Rock redoubt again without my xbox and game freezing. Kennyannydenny (talk) 09:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately they are. But i still enjoy the game, that's what counts right? ;) I like your comments :D But i don't thinks it's because the npc is hard-coded. Because this soldier is not essential and is killable. Found an empty imperial camp on the side of the hill west of windhelm yesterday. Same thing i guess, a leftover from the battle of Windhelm.


 * Off course i wasn't selling the legendary weapons on purpose, i selled them accidently and forgot to buy them back. LOL. I know it sounds stupid :P Kennyannydenny (talk) 10:04, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Ancient Tales
Hiya Timeoin, thanks for catching my major flub on the Ancient Tales of the Dwemer page last night. I guess I was getting tired when I put the Gallery before the Publisher's Note, thinking that it wasn't part of the book. After taking all of those screenshots, I should've recognized where the Gallery belonged. :\ GramsJ (talk) 17:18, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Re: SkyrimBooks template, I presumed since I found it in Skyrim that should be the template to use. Now that you've set me straight, I'll work on remembering to check if the book is in the other games (may be tough for an old geezer like me). Umm, about uploading page screenshots -- from your comment I gather that is not something that was planned for this wiki? If you would prefer for me to not do them, please say so, and I'll stop. I just thought it was a nice bonus for anyone who actually wanted to see them. If I'm not doing the page screenshots, then I will have more time for other edits and additions. :D Say the word, and I'm amenable to your plan. GramsJ (talk) 00:03, January 25, 2012 (UTC) P.S. My grandkids call me gramma.

Page Names
Man your Talk page is busy. Anyway, I have two matters of minor importance for you.

First, as far as I can tell, there's no need for the Markarth (City) page to have that "(City)" at the end. I asked in its Talk page why it was named like that, but no one's talking.

Second, on an even more obscure note, the Temple Of Dibella page should have the 'O' in "Of" lowercased. You'll notice this is how it's done w/ all the other temple pages, as conventional English dictates that the preposition be lowercased, even in proper nouns.

I would make these changes myself, but redirects are thwarting me yet again. I know this stuff is small, & kind of feel bad bothering you about it...if there are any other admins you'd like me to alert to this sort of thing in the future, just let me know. And thanks. Knives182 (talk) 12:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

good work with the morrowind bro

(According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, manly, or defiant you area at the end of the day you're also dead. Which is a little too permanent for my liking 12:37, January 25, 2012 (UTC))

Misc. Quests?
Hi!

I'm a little new here, and I'm confused about how the wiki does Misc. Quests. Is there a seperate page for each one, or is there one page listing them all, or is there just no page for Misc. quests? Thanks.

StarlinSkyrim (talk) 19:55, January 25, 2012 (UTC)StarlinSkyrim

UESP Images
Timeoin, I had a very useful and friendly discussion on IRC with a couple of the other admins here before Skyrim came out, and we came to the decision that all content taken from one site and used on the other would be deleted without complaint once tagged. I don't know why you're ignoring this discussion and your own site policy (here, which clearly states "Images from other websites should not be uploaded to this wiki") but I'm getting a bit annoyed at having to play deletion tag with you.

Please can you discuss this with Zluhcs before removing any more of my deletion templates. Thanks. –rpeh •T•C•E• 06:11, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Incidentally, the new deletion message is broken - try adding a template for yourself and see. –rpeh •T•C•E• 06:11, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Zluhcs is no longer an administrator here. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 06:20, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * One of the others then. And your policy is still your policy. –rpeh •T•C•E• 06:29, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I've changed it back to what it was before Zluhcs changed it over. We still recommend that users upload their own images - always have, always will. Also - the delete template works fine :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 06:33, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Changing policies without discussion is a pretty crappy thing to do. Zluhcs was implementing what was agreed with other admins in IRC - you don't have the authority to change that on your own. And I'm not talking about the delete template, I'm talking about the message that comes up when you use it. –rpeh •T•C•E• 06:40, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, and Zluhcs is an admin. The others in the room were Elchzard and Kacj321. Please discuss this with them before making unilateral changes to policy and potentially re-starting the bad feeling between our sites. –rpeh •T•C•E• 06:42, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Stop it
You do not have the authority to make unilateral changes to policy. The version I restored was agreed by three admins and is therefore still the policy of the site until discussed. –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:23, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Might I interject for a moment? First, I would like to mention that Zluhcs has resigned as an administrator of this wiki. Second, approximately a week ago, after I had personally deleted several images from UESP that you flagged for deletion, there was a discussion on the site's IRC channel about using content from that site. We have since re-evaluated our stance on this policies. It was the agreement of admins (myself included), roll backers, and other editors that content from UESP be used so long proper attribution was given to the image. Content from UESP is available under copy-left. Neither the editors of UESP nor this wiki alike own the material we write and photograph. Bethesda does. We are working to inform users that we prefer unique content (images, text, templates) for future reference, while striving to replace such content that is already in use here, with it. This decision was by no means "unilateral", as you so put. In fact, it was quite the opposite. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  07:33, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, you're wrong on the point of ownership. UESP owns screenshots taken from the game - this is clear in our copyright policy and well established in law. For instance, Microsoft doesn't own screenshots taken from Microsoft Word used to illustrate training material. While images taken directly from the game files are definitely owned by Bethesda, screenshots are the property of the person taking them.
 * Frankly, I don't believe your story about this IRC discussion; I think you're making it up in the light of Timeoin's continued violations of policy.
 * Lastly, it speaks volumes about the poor quality of this site that the only way you can progress is to steal content from UESP. –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:38, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * My turn, i guess. First of all: . Stop claiming that you own the images. You do not. With regards to the IRC discussion, I dont really care what you believe. When we notice content that is from your site, we attribute it properly. Unlike UESP, we dont have 35,000 users, so all of our admins are massive contributors to the site. Furthermore, there is a book company that lifts large portions of our site and sells it - the rare cases of images being used by newbies improperly is nothing compared to that infringement. As for the "poor quality of the site" - perhaps thats because the Administrators have spent so much of their time catering to your whims. (Remember when you asked me to make that UESP template for you? No? Well, I do - and you don't even use it!). As for the quality of the site? How many page hits did you guys have with Skyrim? Because we got 8.4 million, according to Qantcast. Your own site stats show you didnt even reach 5 ;) Now, if you're done distracting us, we are going back to editing. You can either use the appropriate templates or not, its your choice. We will contribute images properly as we see them, however, as I have previously said, our admins are also major editors to this site. So we spend a large part of our day editing. And we like it that way. Really, I think you're just afraid, because you know that in a few years, our wiki will be much better than yours, because even now, with a wiki that is largely incomplete, we're getting much more people visiting our site than you are. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 07:56, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, just so you know: We just had a look at how many images it actually is that is used by UESP. Currently 37. Out of the 12,000+ images that we have on the wiki. Do the math. :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 08:06, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Your ignorance surrounding copyright policy is par for the course. UESP owns screenshots uploaded to it and that's all there is to the matter. You are lying through your teeth about this IRC meeting that changed policy. You would have mentioned it long before now if it were true: the two admins lying about it should be ashamed of themselves.
 * As for hits, we beat you hands down. Alexa had us inside the top 2,000 sites on the entire Internet.
 * The reason it's so easy for me to spot UESP images is that all images on this site are so poor, the ones you steal from UESP stand out so clearly. You have NO good content of your own: everything good has been stolen from other sites. You sicken me. 85.210.12.104 01:16, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're joking, right? 98% of the material on this wiki is unique content. Only a handful of images were taken from UESP, which according to your copy right policy, is okay so long as attribution is given -- which it is, on all accounts. It is not your place to insult members of this wiki, or contribute to this harassment in any way. Failure to partake in civil, humane discussion will result in a ban from the site. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  01:21, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * The last time I was banned here, the admin who did it was ejected from the site by Wikia staff for misconduct.
 * The only reason there are only a handful of UESP images and pages on this site is because I've taken the time to mark all the others for deletion. The simple fact is that the users of this site routinely upload UESP content and attempt to pass it off as their own work. The agreement made before Skyrim's release that has been unilaterally overridden by Timeoin was that any content from one site uploaded to the other could be marked and deleted by admins on each site. I have no idea why you have decided to renege on this agreement and allow UESP content to be stolen. It does not reflect well upon you. 85.210.7.87 01:25, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Most editors, when they get a warning for vandalism (because that is what reverting policy pages without discussion actually is) would take it as a lesson to reflect upon the fact that they may have actually done the wrong thing there. It is encouraging to see the way you make sweeping statements regarding myself and my editors here, without regard for facts. Since you asked the reasons why, though, I shall oblige you in this manner: The community here is sick of the harrassment they routinely recieve from one person. You are well within your rights to point out copyright violations if you notice them. We regularly check and discourage editors from doing so. There is a lot of activity on this wiki though, and sometimes we miss it. Moreover, as was pointed out recently on this article by Cnet, the community here is really strong. And we welcome anyone. See, you can still edit on here (despite being banned) because anonymous editors are welcome here. Now, I sincerely apologise for the fact that the editors don't listen to the half a dozen different warning about uploading copyrighted material. Truly, I am. However, the benefits of allowing anyone to edit the wiki (in the actual spirit of wikis), far outweighs it. So - there are two options here: a) you can continue to contribute to the wiki by helping us to correct any copyright infringements that we may have missed, so that we can correct them, or b) you can get someone else to speak to me about the deletion policy. If it turns out that everyone on wikipedia, wikia and other Creative Commons powered sites is incorrect about what constitutes copyright infringement and that you are correct, then we shall revert back to the old agreement. Until such time, we shall continue to abide by Creative Commons licensing. Mainly because you have severely irked quite a lot of editors here. They are annoyed by the fact that a non-contributing member here is trying to enforce an unwanted policy upon them. Probably not the most tactful response, I know, but then, its keeping in line with your responses of late. Thank you and have a nice day :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:44, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * YOU should have paid attention to repeated warnings about stealing content from other sites. Your fellow admins did, hence the discussion on IRC (the one that actually happened) where it was agreed that content should be unique and that content copied from other sites would be deleted. You ignored that. You have unilaterally overturned a decision taken by three admins in agreement with an admin from the superior TES site.
 * You say (without evidence) that people are sick of being told not to steal UESP content. Well STOP STEALING IT! We - and I speak for many UESP editors here, just check our talk pages - are sick and tired of having our hard work re-posted here in the name of others.
 * The CNET article is based on quotes from a Wikia CEO so is totally worthless. Instead, try reading this from Reddit - "Use the UESP wiki instead of the Wikia one" - or any of hundreds of other articles that don't try to pretend this site is any use.
 * Whether or not the policy is unwanted, it's still the policy. You DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO OVERTURN IT ON YOUR OWN. Please delete all UESP images in accordance with policy as previously agreed. 85.210.15.244 01:53, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to understand how an image on your site taken from a game is your property, according to your sites own copyright notice: This was taken from the Elder Scrolls series of video games or from websites created and owned by Bethesda, the copyright of which is held by Bethesda. All trademarks and registered trademarks present in the image are proprietary to Bethesda, the inclusion of which implies no affiliation with the UESP. The use of images to illustrate articles concerning the subject of the images in question is believed to fall under the fair dealing clause of Canadian copyright law. Don't believe me? Here is a link to your sites banner. Additionally, your site states: If you want to use content from this site, you can do so, but you must follow the by-sa license. This entails the following: see here. Which you then violated our sites policy for deleting appropriate content that followed the rules of your site and gave proper attribution to your site. See [|here]. So how are you doing any good? And a last quote from your site: "The copyright for individual components of screenshots from Bethesda's games belongs to them, but copyright for the overall composition rests with the image creator, and is licensed to UESP, as with textual content" therefore if an editor on our site uses an image from your site, which we prefer they don't, then it isn't your sites property, if fact it falls to the editor of the page it came from, then back to Bethesda, not UESP. Neguy71inok (talk) 02:15, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Hey Timeoin, um, i have a question/issue with categories, could you or if some other admin sees this first, please get on IRC and lemme know? It'd be easier to discuss it there lol, cause i don't always know when i get replies on here. Rosenrot87 (talk) 13:00, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Incidentally
{C}Incidentally, you should note that you aren't blocked at UESP, nor have your comments been censored. You would do well to learn from this. 85.210.4.52 03:24, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I also did not attempt to censure your site, nor edit out sections of its policies that I did not like (and then proceed to use rotational IP addresses to avoid standard vandalism warnings) :P (lesson learning right back at you) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 03:26, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * :: "Censor". I said "censor". That's very different from "censure". You have blatantly attempted to censor my comments by using multiple admin tools: reversion, blocking and protection. I can only assume at this point that you don't care about being caught lying, because you just have been. 85.210.4.52 03:31, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * You were blocked for 1 week (standard block) for vandalising the The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Policies and guidelines page. You then proceeded to EVADE said block, and you are continuing to do so, even now. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 03:35, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't deny block evasion, but the original block reason was bogus. No vandalism was committed - except by you. You unilaterally reverted a change agreed by three other admins. Don't even try to deny this - the fact you're only NOW calling a vote on the matter proves that I'm right. Your block is therefore invalid and can be treated as such. 85.210.4.52 03:40, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

ive been wondering
can u use xbox console commands and can u join the daedra or stay with the mythic dawn Mr.Mercer (talk) 03:30, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, you cannot use console commands on xbox (only on pc). And sadly, no, you cannot join them, even with console commands. However, im sure that there is probably a mod out there that lets you do this, using one of the construction kits!


 * and what about the mythic dawn are you forced to leave them?Mr.Mercer (talk) 03:39, January 28, 2012 (UTC)