User talk:Xell Khaar/Archive 1

Hi
Hiya I'm new here, great site! Arandil 19:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you do alot of work on the site. Is there anything I can do to help? Arandil 07:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just started editing today, but so far this is the worst wiki I've ever seen. Seriously.  It's quite surprising for such a popular series too.  I've been trying to clean up the disaster previous people have left behind, but it's like trying to clean up a landfill, there's just so much crap everywhere.  The categories were the worst.. before today they didn't even have anything connected to the Browse category >.< Every single category led to a dead end, I just finished fixing all of those finally... took me all day, and this wiki has been around for like 2 years too!  That pisses me off!  How can nothing be connected to browse category for 2 entire years.  I'm pretty sure the admins have just abandoned this wiki and left it to die.  Especially since me and you are the only people who even edited anything yesterday.. it's totally dead.  Anyway, there's a lot you can do to help.. I mean almost every article is written wrong.  The articles are supposed to be written in past tense, but stupid people always write them in present tense, and they never have appearances or the right categories listed.  You could pretty much just hit the Random Page button on the side and find something that needs editing.  I just finished putting the appearances on the Arena article, if you know a lot about TES lore then you could always make some of those articles.  Or just fix up the ones that suck already.  I rewrote the Manual of Style a few days ago, so read that before you start editing, just so things stay consistent. -- Xell Khaar 08:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I absoloutley love the Elder Scrolls so I'm going to get stuck into this Wiki. Maybe you and me could turn the mess into a really great site? Arandil 08:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposition
Hi, thanks for helping out. I'm User:Michaeldsuarez, one of the wiki's administrators along with User:KickAssJedi and User:Game Lord. Sorry for the miserable state of the wiki. I become an administrator in April with hopes of doing what you're doing. Unfortunately, I never got to that due to business elsewhere. For example, it took over a month for me to clear all the uncategorized files from the Star Wars Fanon wiki – a task which was only completed today.

However, I can't see myself going back to active duty here, so I would like you to replace me. Once the election ends, I'll gladly promote you to an administrator. I'm very please that my successor has experience at Wookieepedia. If you would like to administrate the OblivoWiki as well, just ask and I'll promote you right away (there aren't enough users at that wiki for an election).

If you haven't been there already, I suggest that you spend some time at UESP, which is the greatest wiki for The Elder Scrolls in my opinion. Just so you know, although UESP and this wiki are using the same license now, please don't copy material from that wiki; UESP deserves our respect. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 18:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're also interested in Elder Scrolls fan-fiction, you can also visit Elder Scrolls Fanon. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 18:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow thanks! I'm not really sure what to say.. but I'd love to be admin and try and clean this site up.  I love the Elder Scrolls so it was kind of a shame when I saw how little people edit this one.  I've been to UESP of course, but I feel that it's more of a strategy guide type thing.. every article is filled with in-game info and stats and stuff (like their Arena page has no lore info at all), so it's not really the type of traditional wiki that I feel that Elder Scrolls should have.  Of course there's the lore pages.. but they have very limited info (bunch of main characters grouped into one characters article for instance).  While it's still a great wiki and serves its purpose, I felt that there's still room for a traditional wiki, and this one should be it.
 * While it sure is tempting to accept adminship for those others as well, I'd like to stay focused on one wiki at a time. So I'd be perfectly content with just being admin for this one.  I don't want to be editing OblivioWiki while I should be editing this one.  Also, with the lack of active admins on this site, I feel that one, full-time, nondistracted admin is needed.  Thanks though! -- Xell Khaar 19:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Black Hand
I've noticed this wiki has a featured article system called the Black Hand. It appears that the main page has been featuring the same article for many months now, maybe we should change it? Arandil 20:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, I'm pretty sure they are all inactive, they haven't voted on anything in almost a year. I'm going to try to reorganize the whole featured/good article thing today to make it more streamline, I don't think there will be any objections.  As for the featured article on the main page.. it's featured there because there are only two featured articles on this whole wiki!  If you want to write one up to featured status and nominate one feel free though. -- Xell Khaar 04:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Will do. I'll find a character with a significant lore backround and improve that article. Also for some reason the Nord infobox and the Daedric Prince infobox have a diffrent appearance to the others, I assume they should all look the same, but I must admit i would not know how to do this. Arandil 07:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay I fixed the character infoboxes. They all look the same now, other than color.  Tell me if you find any other things that are inconsistent like that. -- Xell Khaar 16:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Election
Due it the size of this wiki's community, there isn't any set date. I can't see anyone else voting in the near future, so would you would to become an administrator now? --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 23:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'm eager to start. -- Xell Khaar 23:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's done. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 23:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll do my best. -- Xell Khaar 00:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Congratulations on your Adminship, and thank you for fixing the infoboxes. The only other thing wrong with them is that the race field does not show. Arandil 08:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Gah, you're right! I'm getting sick of these stupid character infoboxes there's always something wrong with them and it takes forever to fix because I have to edit like all 10 of them. Alright... guess I better do it. Tell me if anything else is wrong with them after this. -- Xell Khaar 08:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I don't mean to sound really thick, but if the infoboxes have fields for the race, and the colors are customizable, why do we have one for each race? Arandil 08:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well so we don't have to look up and put in the colors everytime we want to place the template. There needs to be a race field because people aren't going to identify the race just by the color of the infobox. I admit it's a bit repetitive having so many when they're all the same.. but if we wanted to add specific fields for different races later, then the templates are already there with colors ready.  I just made them all the same now so they'd be consistent. -- Xell Khaar 08:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I don't suppose the colors of the templates themselves would be up for discussion would they? No disrespect to whoever designed them, but some of them are downright garish, and others are so dark it's difficult to read the text of the fields. Arandil 08:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I totally agree, the colors are awful.. I didn't pick the colors myself.. they were already there in the previous versions, so I just kept them. If you can find some better looking html colors for them, I'd have no objections to them being changed. -- Xell Khaar 08:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, well I'll play around with them later today and set them up in a sandbox or something, so you can review them first. Arandil 08:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Kk -- Xell Khaar 08:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

These are somewhat better I feel. Let me know what you think. Arandil 15:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, those look way better. I'll make the changes today when I'm fixing their race field. -- Xell Khaar 15:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, they should display the Race field now, and I updated the colors. They might not take effect until the articles using them are edited once though. -- Xell Khaar 16:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Forums
I restructured Forum:Council Club. I based it on the forums I designed for Star Wars Fanon and Elder Scrolls Fanon. You may change the colors if you like. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

So...
Not to put any pressure on you or anything, but do you think you will be sticking around? I really don't mind being part of the site, I just can't see it working without a decent Administrator who is willing to do the necessary work. I honestly think you are the sites best chance for prosperity, but of course if you don't want to lead the project that's fine. Also you may not care but I was diagnosed with OCD last year, just thought I'd share that with you. Well, take care. Arandil 06:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You know I try to quit, but I keep coming back. But I still think I'm like the worst person for this job.. I can't handle people changing stuff I've written, which makes it kind of nice that this Wiki is mostly dead. But yeah, I think I will stick around.. at least until I get frustrated that one of my templates won't work again >.< I don't have a lot of patience. -- Xell Khaar 06:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm glad you've decided to stay. Personally I think the other Admins should have their status removed. Two of them havent contributed in months, and Michaeldsuarez has already said he is not going to come back full time, so I don't see why he should be able to go around changing things you've done if he is not going to help run the project. Also, I know what you mean about not having a lot of patience, I know how frustrating it can be when things don't work the way you want them to. Arandil 08:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, quick question. I noticed that you changed the sites logo (which is awesome by the way), but for some reason I'm not seeing the change. Do you know why this is? Arandil 09:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably need to clear your cookies. Hit ctrl+f5, or if that doesn't work then do it manually in internet options. -- Xell Khaar 09:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, and if you're not already, and I'd seriously recommend using the MonoBook skin instead of the default Monaco. It looks a million times better. You can change it in preferences, and make sure that the Let the admins override my skin choice. box is un-checked, otherwise it won't take effect. -- Xell Khaar 09:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Done all three, no dice. The skins changed but the logo's the same. Arandil 09:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. oh well, just give it time I guess. It should appear eventually. I think. -- Xell Khaar 09:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I've just had a thought, on Wookieepedia once I saw and Admin delete the upload history of an image. If all the old revisions were removed from the site would that help? That history's nearly as long as my arm. Also, am I the only one seeing red-links all over the main page? Arandil 11:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright.. I'll do that I guess, I'll save the previous version to my computer incase anyone really hates the new logo. I know there's a lot of redlinks on the main page (5), because I just rewrote it and haven't made all of those pages yet, hopefully I'll have them up in a few days. -- Xell Khaar 19:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)