Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27157999-20160710144119/@comment-30011802-20180227150347

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Terawolf119 wrote: @Blademaster Jauffre

I am bringing the spy debate back in.

Spies are useful in gathering information in a attack, therefore if their existence is proved we can not talk about a battle without including them or the simulation would be inaccurate, and because in this debate every battle counts it would be unwise if we don't include them.

Don't try to tell me "we don't have proof of more than two spies therefore they do not exist"

Thats just Hasty Generalization

To simplify, in a way you are saying  "I have only seen two acorns therefore there must be only two acorns in the entire world."

The ill logic behind that is you are talking about a world heavilly inspired on real life and anything that isn't like real life is heavily pointed out to be so.

Now that we got that out of the way.

It is safe to assume spies have infiltrated the Empire AND the Dominion due to the easy border crosing between them.

Because of this neither can move without the other one knowing. Without secrecy neither can make a move that will acctually make a difference on each other.

Therefore I believe the Thalmor continued the civil war in order to try to weaken the empire by keeping both sides interlocked in war.

That failed when one side won, I see no reason for the Thalmor to attack Skyrim becuase that would weaken Thalmor forces, exspeacily since I think the Empire would play the same card.

The reason I choose stormcloaks now is becuase they have the best chance of recruiting allies to defeat the Dominion even if its small its better than the Empire's chances because everyone else has turned their back on the Empire Unless there is evidence that there are more spies, we have no reason to assume there are. Comparing spies to acorns is outright ridiculous. Acorns always fall from trees in large quantities, spies are only used when needed, saying that "there are two, so there must be more!" is extremely far fetched.

Assumptions are fine, but not evidence, especially not with anything to back it up. You can't say "The Thalmor have spies who know everything about the Imperial army" without evidence backing up that claim.

Of course the Thalmor continued the Civil War to weaken the Empire, that's the whole purpose of the Talos ban in the first place, they do not care for Talos, they care for weakening the Empire. It's why they tried to intervene at Helgen to save Ulfric from execution.

Skyrim under the Stormcloaks is a weak nation; it has no trade, it has cities to rebuild, its coffers are low, its army is stretched thin, it has to deal with the Forsworn, and has to deal with what is left of Imperial resistance. A perfect time for the Dominion to strike, as they would only need to send a small army; due to their superior strength in both land and sea forces.

The Stormcloaks have fewer chances to create allies. The Empire would have Hammerfell backing them, as Hammerfell and the Empire alike recognize they need one another. Only the Empire has a chance to get Black Marsh and Morrowind back in the fold, the Stormcloaks have no such chance. With the Stormcloaks ruling over Skyrim, Morrowind and Black Marsh are removed from any such alliance; as the Stormcloaks are outright discriminating Dunmer and Argonians. The Nords also hold parts of Hammerfell, so there won't be any alliance there either. Cyrodiil would be up in arms if the Empire declared peace, so those won't ally either.

The Stormcloaks winning dooms Tamriel to fall to the Dominion.

EDIT: PS: The one who is doing some hasty generalization here is you; as you're the one assuming that because there are two there must be more. 1.  I did not say there must be more, I said that it is extremely likely due to the game being based off real life, I was basing off the ​​​​​​highly plausible chance that they do exist.

2. Again, that is nothing like what I said, what I said was that if spies exist then becuase of the easy border crossing the spies would be numerous and both sides would have inside information on both of their current actions.

3. What advantage would they gain? Considering the Thalmor know that the Empire will play the same card and get them weakened from the Empire keeping them locked in battle.

4. Even if that were true, how would Skyrim gaining independance change that considering they aren't part of the Empire?

Now you are doing anAd Hominem attack that is adding nothing to the argument.