User talk:Bluesonic1/Archive 1

Speculation
How much you may or may not know about a given subject is generally irrelevant when it comes to keeping the wiki strictly about facts. Being a 'crystal enthusiast' and having 'evidence' to back up your claims doesn't make a difference. Like I said, the wiki is about facts, not personal opinions. - Erik the Mad (talk) 09:09, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * "...and having 'evidence' to back up your claims doesn't make a difference."... "...the wiki is about facts, not personal opinions". I'm sorry but what you are saying just doesn't add up.


 * I have evidence to make an educated guess as to where inspiration could have been drawn from for the Soul Gem design. It's not merely a personal opinion; it's an educated one. Also, the Vilkas information is educated information too; I have done game testing to reach the conclusions that I have reached. I feel that the points I argue regarding Vilkas' page would be better set in the Bugs section, not Trivia, as it doesn't actually happen (anymore) in-game. Personally I've never seen it happen in-game full-stop, but like I said in previous comments, I do believe this behaviour may have been patched at some point and I encourage others to add in the information they know regarding this.


 * All this aside though, I don't really feel comfortable talking to you about all this as I have seen how you treat other members on your own Talk page. I've spoken to EbonySkyrim and they can help mediate the situation as I'd rather not have it blow out of proportion. Bluesonic1 (talk) 09:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * You're still not listening.  About the Vilkas thing, though, it does belong in the bugs section, if anywhere, but needs to be discussed on the talk page first, as that is the standard procedure.  Simply not witnessing something first-hand is the worst excuse for claiming a bug to be 'false.' though.  Test all you want, but most are completely random.  I've gone thorugh a dozen files or more before I've seen some of the ones listed on this site, some of which I had actively tried to induce to prove a point (which was, incidentally, that deliberately trying to activate a particular bug is not always reliable).  Also, whether or not the bug was patched makes no difference, as not everyone plays the patched version and, therefore, this information is still applicable to them. - Erik the Mad (talk) 09:47, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * I should have mentioned then that I have been scouring through the UESP pages regarding Vilkas and Lycanthropy. There have been no reports there regarding Vilkas getting upset over the player killing an innocent person (1), 1 report of being attacked while transforming (to which no one has replied to sadly) (2) and their Lycanthropy page also, in conjunction with our Lycanthropy page, states none of the Circle should be hostile to the player while they are a werewolf. I have Google'd the first point about Vilkas leaving when the player kills an innocent person and as well as the matching information missing from Farkas' page, I couldn't find anything. On top of all this, I found someone on UESP who found where Vilkas gets untagged from essential and several other people who contribute to pointing out that Vilkas can be killed (4). This covers all 3 of the Vilkas points I wanted to make to the page. Bluesonic1 (talk) 10:03, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sky Above,Voice Within added the stuff back on the Soul Gem Article. But he removed the info on Vilkas article too, as it apparently already was mentioned somewhere in the aricle. I haven't the time to look through it more now, but I see that you have added a message on Vilka's talkpage. 10:42, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah some of the stuff removed was in both Trivia and Bugs, but some of the Trivia stuff removed wasn't repeated elsewhere, like Vilkas commenting on having killed one of everything so I don't feel that should have been removed as it was genuine information not written anywhere else. Also, would I be able to make my edits to the article now? I have provided 4 different pieces of evidence to prove that Vilkas attacking the Dragonborn during werewolf transformation is a bug, 2 and half (I say half because Google Search coming up with no info isn't that reliable) pieces of evidence that Vilkas leaving you for attacking an innocent person is a bug too or just doesn't happen, not to mention that no one discussed that point in the Talk page yet it was allowed to be added to the page anyway? And my last point, I have a multitude of people who comment in the UESP link I provided above that Vilkas does get untagged from essential, and someone even kindly points out that the tag is removed upon completion of Glory of the Dead. What more do I need to do to prove my points here?? Bluesonic1 (talk) 00:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Ulfric Stormcloak Article
Hey Bluesonic, sure I will change the protection level to semi-protected & you can fix what you need :) Ȼǿᵰᵮẽᵲ ₲ħǿśᵵ Ⱥᵰᵾᵬĭᵴ  Đẽẽᵭᵴ 15:49, October 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah no problem, I'll leave it semi-protected for a while in case others feel like editing it some more or not. The edit is good, but I would suggest an edit like that being added somewhere to the article itself, it's also unsourced, & appears to have a speculative nature that should be backed with references. Ȼǿᵰᵮẽᵲ ₲ħǿśᵵ Ⱥᵰᵾᵬĭᵴ  Đẽẽᵭᵴ 20:01, October 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, saw you edit Ulfric again. Are you finished with it soon? I think Ghost forgot about it and he's now on a break so when you are finished I'd like to put it back to full protection again. EbonySkyrim   Message!   10:28, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah I suppose you are right, but Ulfric is a Featured Article and at the moment we have the policy that FA articles should be locked. It might change when we look through the policies later on. EbonySkyrim   Message!   11:07, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I know.. we will go through and look at this, even with the FA articles, but the process will not start until later than I anticipated unfortunately. EbonySkyrim   Message!   11:22, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Dragons page
Hi, I've unlocked the article so you can edit, we have replaced a lot of the images already, but I'll have a look at what you've got. It should be a png image.. I'm leaveing it open for a few days, let me know when you have edited it. EbonySkyrim  Message!   14:05, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Great.. Yes, they can lay down on the ground. Have a look at my images I took 2 years ago and posted in my blog here. EbonySkyrim   Message!   07:26, December 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for the edit and the image was great. EbonySkyrim   Message!   11:23, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: White Stag Bug Section
Hi Bluesonic. After consideration I moved it to the talk page. I did a search myself (and talked to another sysop) and found it only on uesp on the talkpage and some talk in a forum. If it had been more places it was seen on and confirmed on, I would have it be in the article but on uesp.net it's not in the article either. So we need confirmation from more places that it is and not rely on what is said on that website only. So until we have more it will stay on the talkpage. EbonySkyrim  Message!   20:42, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Heads up
Thanks for letting me know, I will keep an eye on him and make sure everything is OK.

Again, Thanks and happy editing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 18:53, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

chat
Hey, not sure what time zone you are in, but I'd like to talk about some stuff in the chat. Please join when you can. :) --Sajuuk talk 19:37, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I understand you are busy, but I'd like to chat in the chatbox if possible. Thanks. :) --Sajuuk talk 16:44, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Team Skyrim
Hey, I am glad to see you have said you would help with the Skyrim articles.

As of now, User:Tehpwner7067 and User:Atvelonis are also committed to this. Others may join, but until then the three of you should talk and figure out the best way to handle this project.

Besides expanding this area of the wiki, another thing you should look out for are articles that could become featured article. If you come across an article or two that could be brought to FA standards, do what you can so we can show it off on the main page.

Please let me know if you have any questions, comments, or concerns that would like to share. Thanks and happy editing-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:24, January 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Bluesonic. Since we're both on Team Skyrim, I figured I should ask you if you have any ideas on what we could work on in the future. You can come on chat (I am on a lot) or leave a message on my talk page if you have any suggestions. See you around! ―Atvelonis (talk) 22:48, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

First project
Hey Bluesonic. I have been thinking about what we should start working on and, frankly, there are a whole lot of things to add. However, I wanted to start off with something relatively small and simple for the time being; a little project that could get us off the ground would be to add concise summaries of the content of books on Books (Skyrim) and Books (Skyrim)/Letters. Some of them are filled in already, others are not. Books (Skyrim)/Journals should probably have the same table that the other ones have as well, with summaries like the others.

Is this something you would be interested in? If so, when would be a good time to start? And, of course, if you have any questions, comments, or ideas about anything regarding Team Skyrim, you can post them at our Team's Guild Hall. ―Atvelonis (talk) 02:36, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

GUI
Hey Blue. I saw your edit on Wylandriah's Satchel, good work. By the way, you can use the console command  to hide the GUI so that we can take better images. Have fun editing! —Atvelonis (talk) 14:13, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Windhelm Article
I cannot say I am to gifted on lore, but I will take a look at this and see what I can fix. Both articles are needing a lot of work, and I am starting to get concerned why they where marked as good when both have needed to be worked on so heavily.

Thanks for pointing this out and giving some sources to look at.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:42, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Policy Thingies
I will take a look at them, and highlight them if they are policy's we should look at. I am glad to see that there are others who are pointing out policy's we need to look at and update. Thanks for letting me know.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 19:49, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, here are my thoughts on this, since you brought this up to me, I want to run it by you first.
 * We start two new to CT's, one for each of them. Both had an idea that was listed as a possible fix, Tomb noted a bug fix and you noted how Dark souls wiki handles Triva. Both these ideas seemed to be accepted and I think we should see how these two ideas ring and focus the conversations on those topics and try to come to a consensus on repair to these area's. What do you think?-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 20:13, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, just thought you should know I posted a possible solution that might work out better than just highlighting tons of threads (they become ineffective if too many are highlighted) on CCC's talkpage. Am posting here in case you didn't see my message :) --Sajuuk talk 20:39, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * I can handle it, although as we are doing a lot of policy review, I will highlight one large thread that will list all the current policy reviews, instead of marking each one on its own. Give me a few minutes to write it all out and set it all up.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 20:57, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Windhelm v2
As is as well as can be. Wiki is changing and I am having to learn to deal with change. So far everything has been good, so the learning process has been easy.

I marked Windhelm for GAnom. I recommend as you are the one who did the more recent work on it that you write the nomination out. I can see you put more then a little work into it, and the sources are nice.

If you get the chance, I am in the IRC right now, I was wondering if you could join so I could run something by you. Either way, thanks and happy editing.

-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 00:04, April 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ill join chat then as well. I should try to hand there more anyway.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 18:09, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Chat
Im glad it wasnt the IRC's fault. I had some trouble without myself. The problem is that the IRC link everybody uses is a free way to enter without downloads, so you reply fully on the internet. I started using Hexchat, its more stable because its dowloaded to the computer, but is still free. If you want to use the IRC more, look into using Hexchat.

And I am glad you are happy with where we are going. I hope this positive change continues.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:47, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Spectral Dragon Priest
I would replace the template with skyrimcreature, then make sure to add the dragon priest category. As for the conjure article, it looks good to me so I would say we can remove the stub.

Atv will be gone until the start of next week of I understand correctly.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 01:10, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Windhelm
yeah, I thought it was on one of the other pages. (Oops). Yeah, probably better to move the history of the town over to that page instead. (Part of a much larger plan to have lore pages, and then articles about things specific to that game (i.e. characters, quests, shops - i.e. all the stuff that shouldnt be on an overarching page). Sorry. Sometimes I get a bit carried away (blame limited time, and having to use a mobile to edit). But yeah - your way sounds good (Theyrell also probably be more once the books from ESO are added too). Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 06:02, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean about that page, btw. Ill fix it up later on computer Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 06:34, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope you'll be able to work with the community to move the lore off the game-specific articles onto overarching general pages in place of disambiguations. The reason I say "community" is because I've noticed that you only seem to message CCC or Tim about changes, instead of using the article talkpages, which is something you should really be using for these things. :) --Sajuuk talk 07:59, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand that "lack of a reply on a talkpage" is a main reason, but I wish to try and revive their use wherever possible and the best way is to get people to use them. For example, you could post a message on an article talkpage and then link some users on their talkpages to the post, which may garner a reply.
 * I think I know who you are referring to by "users who just revert edits for no reason" so I won't go into much detail there ;)
 * It's understandable, but it can look a bit odd to others, since the community is larger than just two sysops! So I guess that, what I mean is, even if you don't use article talkpages, there are other users who might be able to assist with your query, such as myself, Rim and other community members. :) --Sajuuk talk 08:21, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries! Poke me if you've any other questions, I'm always available. :) --Sajuuk talk 08:27, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * On the topic of talkpages... Talk:Skyrim Civil War. ;) --Sajuuk talk 08:35, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, that disambiguations thing that I started doing (creatures as well as locations, too) - it was a CT a started a while ago, and everyone at the time seemed to think it was a good idea :) Like most of my projects - they're kinda overdue and late :P Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 10:18, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Sandbox Template
That is a really good one, I have been scathing my head looking for a good one.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 07:43, April 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I am thinking if this becomes a thing, where every so often we give notice to certain people, the template should link to the same category of "honored editor" but be made just for them. That being said, I think we should use anything morbid, as we are unsure her current fate.  The quote works great, and thanks for finding it.  Ill let you know if we need anything else.  Ill be in chat if you want to talk or say hey.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 07:55, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Forum Topics
Topics link forum threads to wiki pages if you look at the Last Dragonborn page at the bottom under the title of Discussions are the two latest threads marked with that as the topic, if you look to the right of the that theres the Start a Discussion button that will start a new forum thread with the wiki page name automatically set as the topic. If you make a thread in the forums though you have to enter the topic yourself. You can also use topics to search though threads like this at least for me though that doesn't really work as no matter what page number i click on i always get page one. In the forums topics are listed at the very bottom of the thread and to the upper right under the chat is a few Related Threads listed that share the same topic. Sometime people don't add a topic when they make a thread and someone has to do it after, if you look at this thread when it was made they didn't tag it with a topic so i later added the quest as the topic (which is noted in the bottom left of the starting post unfortunately replacing the date). AzuraKnight (talk) 09:55, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Question
Is sub-boards something the wiki can do now? Because I looked into it a while ago (and spoke to Wikia quite a bit, too), and at the time, it wasn't something that they were (at the time) planning on doing. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 10:30, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not directed at me, but I know the answer to that: nope. That feature has never been introduced and I don't see it being introduced any time soon. --Sajuuk talk 10:31, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Heh. We have a high volume of EVERYTHING, BlueSonic. We broke all their records for pageviews - daily, weekly, and I believe monthly as well. In answer to the other part of the question though - That's actually the app! They must have renamed it, because it used to be "the elder scrolls wiki", but I opened it, and yeah, its ours. It uses slightly older info (i.e. Its not live update ever time someone edits (seriously, you WOULDNT want it to do that though) - but in terms of using it for game information and book information - its amazingly awesome. Ive used it to read lore books at work too :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 01:52, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually had it installed, on my old phone, its why I knew about it. At the time, it was actually just called "MyWikia", and you chose which wiki you wanted to download, and went from there. But its the same process really :). As to the reasons - no sinister motives lol. Literally just trying to be a good "father" to the wiki (i.e. im an old timer here :p) -youre someone who wants to learn more - im more than happy to help out! (After all - believe it or not, I myself was new here once myself :p). But hey - the lore guild help is just an added bonus Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 20:40, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Civil War dialogue
Hey Blue, would you be willing to record all of Ulfric/Galmar/other people's dialogue in "Unbound" and "Joining the Stormcloaks?" Those are the only Stormcloak quests other than "Season Unending" that I have yet to fully document, and I want to build up Miraak's dialogue soon myself as it is probably becoming May's featured article. So if you are interested in it or have any questions feel free to leave me a message. Thanks. Happy editing! —Atvelonis (talk) 01:47, April 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Great to hear that you can do it! And sure, you can put the dialogue on my talk page, or if there's a lot then you or I can make a sandbox page and you can put it there instead, whatever you think would be more efficient. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 11:15, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

Aussie Userbox
Two things - firstly? Honestly not sure. I coulda sworn we had one at one point? Secondly ... really? Where abouts are you moving too? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 12:01, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah! Brissie is pretty awesome. Out of curiosity - north side? South side? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 03:46, May 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Heh. Yeah. Ive lived Northside, Southside, and currently Westside. CBD is pretty expensive. As for work - fingers crossed you can find somewhere :) (I currently work selling/renting out tvs, whitegoods and furniture). At the very least, if you need some of that for your apartment, I can help with that :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 10:56, May 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem :) And yeah - hope you can get a job easily - my fingers are crossed for you :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 09:02, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Weekly update reply.
Hey,

I saw you asked a question on the weekly update a few days ago. I answered it there but wanted to make sure you knew I responded.

"Bluesonic1 wrote: What kinds of things will the lore guild be tasked with/in charge of doing? It's something I would love to join myself as the lore is what got me into the TES series in general, but I feel like I'm spreading myself too thin on the wiki already being a part of the Skyrim guild and not being able to contribute as much as I want to."

Lore guilds focus on the more detailed info of the Elder scrolls lore. I may have played two and a half of its games, but I dont know the history or content to a great degree. I would also advise that you do not join more guilds then you can handle. We dont want you burning yourself out, and joining to many guilds can hamper your work in all of them. -Cheatcodechamp (talk) 07:25, May 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * I hope the move over seas goes well, I moved half way cross country and I found it hard, moving to a new country must be something else entirely.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 08:48, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Skyrim Guild
Whoops, I completely forgot about the civil war dialogue you put on my talkpage a while back. I've now added it to all the appropriate articles. Now the only dialogue Ulfric is missing is Season Unending and the Battle for Windhelm, which shouldn't be too difficult.

I've been rather occupied with creating and fixing ESO pages lately so I'm not exactly able to spend as much time adding Skyrim stuff as I would like. It also doesn't help that my computer can barely run Skyrim, so adding dialogue is very tedious for me. I am building a new PC sometime, however I am probably going to need to be adding ESO screenshots and information so I will be able to spend even less time with the Skyrim Guild. If it comes to the point where I shouldn't remain guildmaster of the team I'd like you to take over, if you are interested. I will remain a member of the guild but I know I shouldn't spread myself too thin, so this is just a heads up that I might step down if necessary.

Thanks, and happy editing. —Atvelonis (talk) 18:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright, that's good to hear. And I got most of the Timeline links fixed, although there might be a few stragglers on talkpages and forum posts and such which I didn't bother to fix (though those ones aren't hugely important). But anyway thanks very much, it's good to have you in the guild. Oh, and heads up, Mjoll the Lioness is being considered for August's Featured Article, so anything you can do to improve it will be a big help. Happy editing! —Atvelonis (talk) 15:55, June 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, go right ahead! The tables really give the quotes section a nice, organized feel, I'd love to see it on more articles (the color can also be changed if it is for a character from a different game, the other guilds should start using them too). You can also use the tables for a specific type of character conversation (e.g. the one between Danica Pure-Spring and Ahlam) where there are multiple options for each character's next line. It's quite helpful, if you see anywhere you think it should go you're free to use it there! —Atvelonis (talk) 17:58, June 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Now would probably be a good time for me to step down as the guildmaster. I've ordered all the parts for my new PC so it's only a matter of time (by the end of the month at the latest) before it's up and running and I will be focusing on ESO content for the most part. I've updated the Guildhall and the main Guilds page already, but I'll leave it to you to take us on some new projects and continue old ones. I'm confident that you'll do well as guildmaster. Happy editing! —Atvelonis (talk) 01:59, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Moot Reminder
Hey, Just wanted to remind you the moot is starting soon. and you are presenting the fact we have not closed two CT's (I assume this it what you are speaking on) that we have not closed despite the fact they are discussed and settled. I am sorry those have slipped by, but lets talk about them in the moot and close these and move forward with them.

I hope to see you there.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:52, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Talk to me
I pointed out how i didn't think the new board section was a good idea before the CT was made and referred to that when it was, and just i felt my opinion was ignore or bent to serve the idea of a help board so i didn't post any more (although i did read) and the whole thing was making me feel very uncomfortable as well. Sorry but i don't see how this will help make forum mods work easier it will add to it, or people wanting help if the wiki isn't searched (and very often it isn't) for any type of answer they won't search the forum as its so much harder to do even if you split Skyrim up. AzuraKnight (talk) 09:30, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * I twice asked for people to try and go though the section to demonstrate how hard it was for users to search and for a mod to organize it and no one seemed to try it, when i pointed out the topics are broken so they can't be used to search properly that was used as a reason for the new section not against. Being expected to come up with ideas for something i was so against and Nomar's over enthusiasm towards me in many threads was very disturbing.


 * It's more work because most of the existing section will have to be move into the new one, as i said i tried organizing the board before and it was extremely hard to just go though a few of the threads with our basic forum and what little i did caused more old thread bumping (which was what the initial CT was trying to stop). It's also another section for thread to made in the wrong place. AzuraKnight (talk) 11:02, August 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * I assumed no one tried going though the forum as i asked because no one acknowledged it either agreeing or disagreeing a lot of new threads are already answered on the wiki page, if the search bar on the top of the site isn't used and wiki pages read i just don't think the forum will be looked though manually. Our forum as you said not being like real forums just doesn't allow for it in my opinion.


 * This idea has been causing me a lot of worry since it first came up (and i do mean a lot) i just don't think it's needed if the community wants to help people with Skyrim problems they could do that already. AzuraKnight (talk) 12:52, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!
I always try and see if I can answer any questions that I know, but I consider it a plus that someone had taken notice as well. I want to do something to help out in the wiki since I am new, and feel that it is an obligation to do so (for me atleast). Thank you Blue, I greatly appreciate it! :P Kora Stormblade (talk) 22:04, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Message
can I please be member
 * can I please be member Archmageadam (talk) 04:19, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * why
 * meanie Archmageadam (talk) 04:34, August 8, 2015 (UTC)