Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26213507-20150715194939/@comment-24075086-20150810021112

Shigeru Thalmor Slayer wrote: S&#039;Dalaar the Snowcat wrote: Shigeru Thalmor Slayer wrote:

It would be worse if the Emperor had accepted the ultimatun. Quoting the book Great War "Critics have pointed out that the Concordat is almost identical to the ultimatum the Emperor rejected five years earlier. However, there is a great difference between agreeing to such terms under the mere threat of war, and agreeing to them at the end of a long and destructive war. No part of the Empire would have accepted these terms in 4E 171, dictated by the Thalmor at swords-point. Titus II would have faced civil war. By 4E 175, most of the Empire welcomed peace at almost any price." And what does this say? That Titus Mede II sent thousands of Imperials, Nords, Bretons and Redguards to die just to show off some strength from his Empire, which it never had, and to keep his own throne? That line in the book kind off confirms that the Emperor knew that they were inferior to the Dominion and there was no way they could decline those demands in the long run.

During the course of the Great War, it was proven that both armies were equal at best and had they kept fighting, there was a small chance to drive out the Dominion once and for all. But of course, this would lead to even bigger casualties than it already was, Cyrodiil would be a ruined state and the Empire(as a whole) would had little chance of surviving, but the single provinces that weren't besieged would have still been able to recover. How convenient too that the Emperor surrendered right after they retook the Imperial City. They didn't even bother to fight on after that, which is a slap in the face for all the soldiers who truly wanted to drive out the Dominion, but instead were used as pawns in one man’s plan to retake his own capital.

As I see it, Titus Mede's cared more about the authority of his crumbling Empire as well as his own post as Emperor than the provinces whose gold and blood made it possible for it to exist. The Empire has become something of a leech of the other provinces that needs to be removed before they become completely drained. Seceding Skyrim from the Empire will not help the Thalmor. They just need internal conflict to weaken the Empire. Once peace is achieved (with either side), both the province and the Empire can rebuild.

And tell me, would you accept as an Emperor someone who surrended to the enemy without fighting? I wouldn't. Read again the bold part of my post, please. If the Emperor had accepted the ultimatum, things would be worse. And where is stated that the Empire has become something of a leech of the other provinces? If so, the Empire would be gone a long time ago. And seceding Skyrim from the Empire will not help the Thalmor? Have you ever heard of that quote "Divide and Conquer"? Seceding Skyrim from the Empire would be exactly what the Thalmor want, that's why the banned the worship of Talos: to anger the Nords and fight against the Empire. Just as College Mage Ferris said, with the Empire out of Skyrim, all the Thalmor need to do is to invade an already weakened Cyrodiil and suddenly you have an army of elves and Khajiits knocking on your door. That is the price of your so desired freedom.

Side note: It's just me or the Nords don't have a way of forward-thinking? It seems that all that matters for them is the "here and now". They don't care about long-term consequences. Imperial fanfiction on what Thalmor plans are do not count as evidence. Divide and conquer? LOL it's worked so well with Hammerfell hasn't it? They got the asses of their remaining troops kicked and they were forced to withdraw without anything gained! Also the provinces would be MORE effective free from the imperial banner rather than less. The elder council itself is trying to have the emperor assassinated! Cyrodil itself was stricken with a crapton of rebellions and riots only about 10 years ago. The empire's finished, anyone who says otherwise has never studied history. Also the empire is a leech Ulfric's speech mentions no longer being burdened with imperial taxes making up for its deep deep debt. College Mage Ferris' argument is crap. The dominion could simply invade Cyrodil now if they could do so that easily. The legion they sent to Skyrim was a spare legion, they have THREE on the border of Valenwood ready for an invasion. Skyrim would be better off on its own rather than being tied down by a crumbling, corrupt empire in deep debt with at best wavering loyalties from even the Cyrodilic peoples. If the Thalmor invade...then GOOD! They can weaken themselves wiping out the empire for us and leave themselves ripe for extermination from Skyrim and Hammerfell.

Lol...no long term planning? That's rich considering the Emperor was either incompetent enough to accept a deal that any moron would know would lead to rebellions or greedy and desperate enough to try and hang onto power as much as possible.