Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-24135617-20131105231826/@comment-4705438-20140327170432

71.61.177.24 wrote:

Thalmor =/= Altmer. Not all Thalmor are Altmer, and not all Altmer are Thalmor. You get Khajiit and Bosmer Thalmor, and you get Talos-worshipping Altmer war vets, and I am really sick of people conflating the Altmer with the Thalmor when really the other one is being referred to.

Thalmor is and have been a group of Altmer elitist chasing a goal of immortality. They are extremely concerned of their Aldmeri purity and are exclusively Altmer. Aldmeri Dominion is not the same thing as Thalmor. Thalmor are an inner faction, that was, until now, bound by Altmeri rulers. (Such as Ayrenn) In the latest revival of the Aldmeri Dominion they have become the leading faction after the rebuilding of the Crystal-Like-Law. 71.61.177.24 wrote:

Furthermore, it is canonically stated that the dragons Alduin resurrected were NOT perma-dead.

Maybe I missed that, but it's possible. Blades have been busy. 71.61.177.24 wrote:

Alduin certainly cannot "split off" entities from himself. He is not a god. He is a very, very powerful dragon, and all dragons are the children of a god. He is immensely powerful and has abilities that no other dragons possess. This does not prove that he is a god. It just proves that he is incredibly and so far inexplicably powerful.

I've once had a similar mindset, that Alduin is certainly not a deity, but an immortal dragon necromancer, who uses myths to spread fear and submission.

But I don't think he is "exactly" a child of Akatosh. In a way - yes. Beginning must exist before the end, and in a way beginning "gives birth" to the end. I view Akatosh as an envious elder brother. But they're both the same worm.

Even if Alduin was a... well, he never was a mortal. He did walk at least one of the Walking Ways - apatheosis by mortal belief, much like Reman. 71.61.177.24 wrote:

Alduin did not "go rogue". That was how all dragons were. You can't go rogue from your own empire, and Alduin was ruler of the Dragon... Empire, let's call it. Whatever you want to call Skyrim while it was ruled by dragons and their Cult. He wanted to enslave mortals back then because he was a dragon, and dragons have dominion in their blood. That is stated (in more words than I have used, but that's the gist) by Paarthurnax, in-game. However, he is destined to devour the world - a phrase I interpret as devouring all souls ever to exist on Nirn, allowing life on it to be created anew, but that is my personal interpretation and has no bearing on this discussion and ''why did I even say that? I am going to start a forum fight''.

Dragons are bound to destruction, not enslavement, he did rebel. It's Mehrunes Dagon to Molag Bal. Alduins role was greater than Nirn, he was to end the whole Kalpa. I know, however, that you will not find a clear pointers to this in any lore-books.

This behavior is probably the or at least one of the reasons why Akatosh chose to intervene and send a shard of himself to fight back. 71.61.177.24 wrote:

I don't even understand what you're saying with the Dawn Era.

Dawn Era is the Thalmor utopia. Time before linear time was established, time when mortals did not exist. When the "Mer" could walk among gods like equals.

This is seen in C0DA. They did reach their goals in one timeline. Khajiiti and Dunmeri live among gods. (Thalmor, however, end up being destroyed, still obsessed with their concept of purity) 71.61.177.24 wrote:

we have no evidence that humans came from the Ehlnofey

You couldn't be more wrong. The same source that "confirms" Mer relation to Ehlnofey, explains the relation of Men. I can't remember the title, but it explains all the Lorkhan and Auri-El stuff as well. 71.61.177.24 wrote:

Nobody knows where the hey the Argonians came from, but I think we can agree it was not the Ehlnofey.

Hist changed them into the sentient beings they are now. They can still be changed at any point in their lives. Argonians can't even reproduce without the help of the Hist. (At least that's stated in a quest in ) 71.61.177.24 wrote:

However, with the number of them that keep turning up like rabbits around Skyrim, they seem to be greater in numbers than initially thought. And certainly we have the Dragonlings, which...may or may not be actual dragons. And the fact that Akatosh...theoretically could create more.

There is a source clearly stating that Dragons and Dragonlings are not related.

Why would Akatosh create something that opposes his own being? Jills are the Akatosh' dragon minions.

Game mechanic is not a good basis for a lore argument. Game lacks sense of scale and needs to keep player doing something.