Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26893431-20160507013145/@comment-26893431-20181024210117

2A02:2149:8488:1400:A470:268:11CA:AD17 wrote: Blademaster Jauffre wrote: 80.216.218.146 wrote: If you "say" so, and yeah have to admit that the Voice was first given to fight the dragons..

Thing is though how come Nords could use the Voice for war for so long then?

How come it took Jurgen the coward losing at  Battle of Red Mountain for this "way" of the Voice to rear it's ugly head?

Explain how Nords didn't lose every single battle they used the Voice in before then?

A more likely explination is that Jurgen the coward lost  Battle of Red Mountain, and then tried sadly successfully to explain it with " really you guys even though we have used the Voice for war for like thousands upon thousands of years this one loss means we were totally wrong and should only allow old farts to learn Thu'um".

I know which one is most likely and it is not your and Jurgen/Greybeards culture erasing route.

When all Nords that can, use the Thu'um the connection shared to Kyne is kept alive.

When only prissy old men isolating themselves away shouting at eachother use it, it is pissing in Kyne's face.

Complete waste of Thu'um Because Kyne gave them a chance to think about it themselves. When Kyne realised they wouldn't change she simply did what she did.

Paarthurnax, the Dragon appointed by Kyne to teach the Voice says that the Way of the Voice is the truth. That says enough. Just because you're a Nord doesn't mean you can shout.

Kyne approves of the Way of the Voice, hence Paarthurnax follows it. That is just pure speculation with no evidence to back it up, because for all we know Kyne gave the thu'um to the Nords so that they can use it as they see fit and so if the Nords want to use it for war they have every right to do so.

Paarthunax never said such a thing. He said that he chose to live in High Hrothgar to wait for Alduin's return, so that he can try and stop him and he chose to follow the way of the voice to combat his own impulses as a dragon. The fact remains that both of these actions were HIS OWN CHOICES. There is no evidence of any divine mandate from Kyne that obligated him to follow the way of the voice or to live in High Hrothgar. Therefore the way of the voice has no more merit or legitimacy than any other use of the thu'um, which means that Ulfric and any other Nord has the right to use it as they see fit. But it does mean that you can learn.

Paarthunax's own choice to follow the way of the voice does not prove or disprove Kyne's approval or disapproval. I trust the word of the one who taught the Voice to mankind over your own word.

Paarthurnax was sent down because the people had no voice and had to obey the cruelty of the Dragons. They were taught the Dragon tongue to let their voices be heard to their oppresive overlords; this has nothing to do with conquest, as the Dragon Cult itself already knew the Voice.