User talk:Vincentius1



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 * --Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:52, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Visual Editor
Hey, thanks for the edits. Btw I noticed you're using Visual Editor - it causes bugs where the infoboxes get squished together and stuff. To avoid that go to Special:Preferences under the Editing tab, choose Source editor as your preferred editor, then hit save. And hopefully it'll be easier to edit with Source editor as well. --Shockstorm (talk) 22:50, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Categories
You're adding a lot of categories that are unnecessary or redundant. Please stop. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:36, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, on those 2 pages (Indaenir and Akkhuz-ri), I didn't notice that the necessary category (Online: Aldmeri Dominion Members) wasn't there to begin with. Apologies for that, it's fixed now. Anyways, generally characters shouldn't be added to Online: Aldmeri Dominion, since that's what the Members category is for. In the case of important leaders like Ayrenn, it might be worth having them in the main category, and not just the Members one. I'll ask an admin about that to see what they think is best. For the other thing, do you know if Skyreach, Nedic Wastes, and Proving Grounds are the correct subregion names? I did a quick check online but it looked like those aren't the actual names (I'm not able to check ingame since I can't access Craglorn). Anyways, thanks for letting me know. --Shockstorm (talk) 02:43, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Location differences in Online
Ah, that makes sense. Well, you don't really need to "claim" an IP, it's just the way the wiki tracks logged-out users. It doesn't really count as a secondary account, if your main account gets blocked then your IP generally gets blocked alongside it. So don't worry about that. Anyway, what are your thoughts on merging the page? —Atvelonis (talk) 03:05, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Visual Editor
Hey, I cannot help you with the Visual Editor problem, it looks like a bug to me. You should try Special:Contact and send them your problem report. — Flightmare (talk) 11:46, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Alcaire
While factually correct, the trivia point on Alcaire (Online) isn't really necessary. We normally just link to the disambiguation page near the top of the article, in this case Alcaire, which links to other uses of the name. This removes the need for a superfluous trivia point on every article and allows for a simple, standardized way to access multiple related topics quickly. And, as a rule of thumb, if someone reverts your edit it's better to leave them a message than to revert their edit back. Edit warring is no fun. —Atvelonis (talk) 04:50, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

And please use proper English and formatting. Also, don't add to the appearance sections when they don't appear in that game. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:07, July 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal, I was just wondering if you had read our messages. I might seem a bit irritable lately due to my work schedule (which is also why I didn't respond until now), apologies for that. The subregion pages are helpful, but we wanted you to do them correctly so we wouldn't have to fix the same things 20 times. I think you got the hang of it now though. Nothing is ever really deleted permanently from the wiki even if it's undone - you can always retrieve your edits by going to older versions of the page without having to rewrite it.


 * Regarding rearranging the lists of various locations, it's best to talk with others before doing so as that's a major style change. I know ESO has different classifications of cities/towns/villages etc, and it's kinda confusing. From my point of view it looked like you were rearranging/removing stuff for no reason.


 * Finally, it'd be good to give sources for the various subregion names (like in Craglorn). Just don't cite UESP or userpages, please. --Shockstorm (talk) 19:36, July 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * You're adding back categories that have already been reverted in masse. If you keep this up, you're probably going to be blocked. --Shockstorm (talk) 20:58, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

UESP images
We made an agreement with UESP a few years ago not to use each other's images, so I've had to delete the Dawnmead map you uploaded. If you can get a similar image yourself from in-game that would be perfectly acceptable. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 19:03, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Quin'rawl Peninsula
Question: where did you find the info for the Quin'rawl Peninsula you created? I saw the source you provided for the last bit, but it doesn't even include the name of the peninsula. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:38, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Categories
I suppose they're fine in some of the articles, though they are unnecessary in disambiguation pages. I know Shockstorm has already reverted these edits in the past and asked you to stop, for which he may have good reason. I suggest that you get with Atvelonis before you continue adding those categories, to see they are really needed or not. At the moment i have mixed feelings about them. The Cat Master (talk) 01:21, July 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Categories are intended to organize the article itself, so you would only add a Lore category if the article is specifically about the overall history/background of the location, not its appearance in a particular game (e.g. Tamriel). The ESO/Skyrim/etc. versions of the articles are specifically about the location in one of the games, so having a Lore category isn't necessary on them. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:36, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

"Shockstorm never gave me a legitimate reason for the categories to be unnecessary" - lol, yes I did. If you actually read the messages people leave on your talk page/give for reverting your edits, you would know. --Shockstorm (talk) 19:52, July 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * I never threatened to block you. I couldn't block you even if I wanted to as I'm not an admin. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:06, July 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's fine. And no, that's not your fault, and you weren't acting like a jerk. Best to ask Atv or bring it up in the moot if you feel strongly that the lore categories should be there. --Shockstorm (talk) 21:47, July 30, 2016 (UTC)

Referencing
Hey dude,

Great edits you have and very good pages. But, if you could add references to the pages it would help out a lot. The wiki wants to look as accurate as possible, and despite the info being correct, the references are needed for those who don't know the lore yet.

Happy editing,

Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 13:08, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Davon's Watch (Lore)
I didn't delete the pictures. I moved them to a gallery section and removed the slideshow feature, since that seemed unnecessary since you only added 3 pictures. The Cat Master (talk) 00:06, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Amaund Motierre
Hey dude,

Since you're great with all kinds of images, I'd like to ask you if you might have time to improve our Amaund Motierre page. As stated in the notice, it ''Needs more images of him in a gallery. Especially as his appearance changes.''

You're not obligated, of course, especially with having to do the DB questline and what not. But you're the first person who came to my mind. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 00:51, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Rawl'kha (Lore)
Yes, but you also created those pages; it's not a standard practice. We generally prefer to keep lore content under a "History" or "Background" tab on the regular page, because having multiple articles about the location when it isn't necessary can be very confusing to readers.

There's obviously a point where keeping everything on one page is too confusing, and that's why we separate pages based on game. But lore content can, for the most part, be included in a History section of a normal page without any confusion. Images on the lore page can be mixed in as well, or placed in a gallery. We've also been trying to phase out the (Lore) suffix for quite some time now. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:51, December 26, 2016 (UTC)

Images
Hey Vincentius,

Those lore location articles you've been creating lately are really neat, nice job. Just wanted to tell you though, that when you're adding an image to an article, there's no need to include the underscores in the filename. We'd prefer it if you'd format it like this: than this Same goes for images in infoboxes, like this:

rather than this:

The image will still appear as usual without the underscore, so it isn't necessary. Hope you understand. Thanks, —CarloV3r (talk) 13:54, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Categorizing
Hello, I've noticed that a lot of your images have been ending up on the uncategorized images page, if you could please start categorizing your images once uploading them, it'd save everyone some time. You can go here for more information on how to do this, if you don't know what category an image falls under, you can always message a patroller and other editors for help, you could also go to the chat and see if someone there is willing to help. Also, something that is very important when uploading images is licensing, for images from ESO, use the template and for images from any of the 5 main games in the series, use the  template, please and thanks! --DarkVaultBoy (talk) 17:55, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Renames
If you're going to rename pages like that, fine. But do not extend it beyond large location articles, such as cities with a long history. This is one of the ways we are distinct from UESP; our information tends to be a little less fragmented than theirs. Obviously, there is a point where it becomes too convoluted to include everything from multiple games in one page, which is why we disambiguate. However, for the vast majority of cities, lore is generally not a large enough topic to warrant its own article. So just be careful not to do this for small articles, or for things like NPCs or books, which, when possible, we purposely try not to separate. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:42, January 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * I haven't been as active lately as I would like, so I don't know if this applies to all of the pages you've moved, but from what I've seen, most of them are a reasonable length. I still don't really see the need for the disambiguation, but due to their length I won't bother fighting it. I'm not criticizing your work; instead, this was more of a pre-emptive suggestion not to go too far. We do have a lot of articles with minimal histories/background info, and there's nothing we can do about that due to a lack of information in-game. I've seen users go crazy over formatting standardization in the past, despite it often being counter-productive to readers after a certain point. So I just wanted to make sure that you know where to draw the line. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:53, January 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure renaming something like Helstrom in this format would be a good idea. There is a lot of lore, but once you take out the lore, there's very little info on the Arena page. It doesn't really make sense to fragment an article like this unless there is a lot of information that can be placed on both pages. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:38, January 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * That's true, but you also have to take into account how likely it is for such content to be added at all. Very, very few editors here have played Arena, and even fewer are willing to add content to the wiki from it. Until that content is added—thus (arguably) warranting a split—the page should not be separated. The reason we split up articles is so that readers aren't too confused by information on various topics; since the Arena info on this page is so minimal (just a lead and infobox), it makes no difference to readers to have it included alongisde the lore. The page should stay as just "Helstrom," and include the contents of both pages. You can add the Legends cards or whatever if you want too, I suppose, just to give it some more depth. But a split is certainly not necessary at this point.


 * EDIT: I know that the names of sublocations (inns, houses, etc. in cities) in Daggerfall are static, but I'm not positive if the same can be said for Arena. So it would be better to hold off on that assumption for the time being. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:51, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

Renaming
Hey Vincentius,

I saw you moved yet another piece of information to a lore article after having been told to stop by Atvelonis. I'm going to have to ask you to completely stop moving information from City by game articles to lore articles unless there is too much lore and game content for a reader to differentiate which is which. Atvelonis has already explained why you shouldn't do it, so I trust you will take his advice.—CarloV3r (talk) 18:21, January 21, 2017 (UTC)