Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-1600847-20161103125247/@comment-30317136-20161201051131

Terawolf119 wrote: /\ Mental suggestions? thats really ridiculous!

Everyone is uninterested in war, especially after the great war, which is why the Empire signed the peace treaty, I got to hand it to you, Blademaster, you found a equality stubborn and ignorant opponent, Have fun!

But, yes, in Skyrim magic is way-over down-played,(if theres anything you say thats right). Not being stubborned but rather by being unbiased and 100% subjective using only main points, it stepped on your biased Stormcloak favoring fanboy.

Cursing? Nah, it is just stating facts.

It is a fact that at the start of Skyrim, Tullius had captured Ulfric and was going to execute him.

It is also fact that at Helgen, Ulfric doesn't have the ability to escape his certain death with his own power.

It is also fact that it was not the first time Ulfric was defeated by a godly superior tactican without killing him. First time being the Thalmor during the Great War where they did torture and make him give up Empire's secrets. Second time being outsmarted by Tullius and walked straight into his Ambush.

Giving excuses to his own failures when the fact that he did lose to Tullius when he walked into his ambush is just plain stubborn. You are the one who is stubborn here. I don't care about who you favor. If Ulfric had anything or opportunity to completely defeat Tullius without the Dragonborn's or any external help, I will state it.

The only thing Ulfric has over Tullius is Thu'um. Which he tried to used it as a strategic weapon but instead got backfired on him when he used it to help him kill the inexperienced warrior Torygg and tore Skyrim into two factions.

Mental suggestion is not silly. It is just unbelievable to you. But when I examine their situation further in a far more multiple angle and facets, I find it more likely the Thalmor would do something to Ulfric before releasing him to ensure he do what they want him.

Either to threaten Ulfric during his imprisonment to do as they say or they kill him in this case it means Ulfric chickened out and agreed to it seeing he did as they wanted and Ulfric started the civil war to the Thalmor's delight.

Or they used magic on Ulfric. Seeing threatening Ulfric has too many problems by itself, as nothing is going to stop Ulfric from betraying them after he's gotten a sizable army behind him. Even in the Thalmor's perspective, when Elenwen managed to torture information out of Ulfric, it already means Ulfric's integrity is either questionable or his will is not that strong.

From here, coercing Ulfric into being their agent already shows two problems. One is that they cannot ensure he won't turn around and bite them in the ass. Two is the fact that Ulfric may not necessarily do what they want. In fact they did state that Ulfric became uncooperative.

Just this two points alone is suffice to say screw this, "let's use magic and plant some magical mental suggestion to make sure Ulfric do what we want and be done with it."

As I said, I just find the Thalmor's actions vastly more lacking in consideration when it comes to Ulfric's release that I don't believe they would let him go so easily without doing something to his head which makes Ulfric thinks he's in perfect control of himself but he's actually being manipulated by the Thalmor.

You think it is stupid mainly because you are as deeply entrenched in favoring the Stormcloaks as Blademaster is in the Imperials. He just hides his favor better than you.