Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-70.162.32.87-20140716020856/@comment-24349111-20140922183232

174.44.92.186 wrote: Pelinal Whitestrake wrote: I already know this. The problem is, Daedra can claim anything. Azura claims she is benevolent to the Dunmer, while she's basically the one who caused the erruption of Red Mountain through being a butthurt b*tch.

And I know that patterns are important in TES. However, let's take all of this in aspect:

-Sheogorath is the Daedric Prince of Madness, Madness and Genius lie very close together (i.e Sheogorath is a genius as well, proven by him being able to even trick other Daedric Princes such as Hircine), he by himself is evidently powerful on Nirn, he is Lorkhan's madness and he was mantled by a Shezarrine who mantled Pelinal Whitestrake before

-Nocturnal is described as Ur-Dra, and as you say, she might be the aspect of the Void. However, do we ever see her or read about her do anything actually close to what Sheogorath, Hermaeus Mora, Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, hell, even Hircine have done? Never. Or atleast, I never read about it. Not to mention that a remnant of Lorkhan's madness would logically seen (I know that logic is a kinky thing in TES, but still), have more power inside the Aurbis, in which the concepts of Change/Sithis/Padomay and Order/Anu/Anuiel exist, than an aspect of something which doesn't exist inside the Aurbis (as Vivec says it). I see where you're going with that. But how does that put him above her?

Did you even click on the link I posted above? It explains what she has done and why she is powerful Daedric Prince. Also, what has Hermaus and Hircine done that's so special? Sithis is the soul of Padomay, and Padomay is sitting in the void. Sithis exists only within the Aurbis, as he is the essence of subgradiance; he cannot exist outside of Padomay. Outside of Aurbis is only Padomay and Anu, and beyond that, the Void. No Sithis. The Tatterdemalion by MK also claims she is the Ur-Dra. If the Void is truly nothing, it means that Nocturnal would logically not have much powers due to being the Ur-Dra, an aspect of the Void.

Hermaeus Mora has collected an unimaginable amount of knowledge, has strong ties to Aka and his forbidden knowledge includes the Bend Will shout, which is lore-wise unimaginably powerful, CHIM, the Godhead, the Psijic Endeavor, etc.

Hircine has, or had, quite some power over Solstheim.

I have clicked the link, and I have read Vehk's Teachings several times already.

And we still don't know if an Ur-Dra does have any kind of special powers.