Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-76.118.67.131-20140922181150/@comment-24349111-20140925110844

Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

Pelinal Whitestrake wrote:

Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

Pelinal Whitestrake wrote: For all we know, the Thrassian plague could have been a genetically modified bacteria strain. Earth has antibiotica which could take care of it.

Also, Talos is pretty much just standing by while the Thalmor go on and gradually destroy Nirn. For all we know is the same thing as saying we know nothing. Which means you are purely speculating. Also that isn't how antibiotics work. One antibiotic only works on one strain of bacteria, which is why they keep having to make new antibiotics as bacteria evolves and becomes more resilient to our medicine. Even if it was a bacteria that caused the plague our antibiotics wouldn't work against it, our medical scientists would have to create a new antibiotic, which could take months or even years.

Also that is a whole nother can of worms. Talos, like the other Divines, can't directly interfere with Nirn. Still, if we take into account Pre-4th Era Tamriel one of the Septim Emperors could just brake the Amulet of Kings and turn into an avatar of Akatosh. That would cause major problems for Earth.

The thing is Tamriel is very different from Earth, their power is linear like ours. By that I mean the more time goes on here the more advanced our tech gets and as a consequence the stronger we get. In Tamriel that is not how it is. You can argue that when the Dwemer were still around they were way stronger than they are currently. One could argue that the period they were the strongest was in Tiber's time, as both he and the Tribunal were present and living. Two beings with the CHIM are a major powerhouse. I mean "Earth has antibiotica" as in that Earth scientists could develop antibiotica fitting on the modified strain.

And even if a Septim would turn into an avatar of Akatosh, Earth could quite easily launch it's entire nuclear arsenal directly at Nirn, making life utterly impossible. They wouldn't even have to hit the surface. They could simply explode while in the atmosphere, causing enough radiation to poison the surface with radioactive rain.

You're also forgetting the important fact that CHIMsters do not care about anything except themselves. That kind of egoism is actually the key to being able to achieve CHIM in the first place. You could literally slaughter every single descendant of Tiber Septim in front of Talos, and he wouldn't give the slightest fuck about it until you'd try to attack him yourself. The other problem would be that extensive CHIMing brings the danger of making the Godhead wake up, making CHIMsters very careful about using their powers. We also do not know whether CHIM could affect Earth/our Universe in any way too. We don't even know if Magic can affect it. However, as normal laws of physics (mostly) seem to be existing in Mundus, we do know that Earth's technologies would work on Nirn. It would take a long time, but that depends on how many people would work on the cure/vaccine. If all Earth's nations pool their resources together it would take significantly less time to make a cure to a plague.

'''As for CHIM users and the gods not helping. If all of Nirn is threatened they would help. Vivec and Tiber are residents of Tamriel, if you want to destroy their home, killing their in the process, they would fight back.''' Like I said before Tamriel means much to the Daedric Princes, to some it is a playground, to others a goal, others are worshiped by many cults on Tamriel. If we bring the gods into the war then Nirn doesn't have much to fear from the Earthlings. Sheogorath can turn human weapons into cheese, Molag Bal can resurrect fallen soldiers for his army, Mehrunes Dagon could cause untold destruction, Peryite could create a magical plague even more powerful than anything the Sloads can create, other Princes like Mephala and Boethiah can influence the Earthling forces in an attempt to cause infighting, etc.

We also need to take into account that Tamriel has invisibility and muffle spells. That combination of spells in the hands of a thief/agent would let them become extremely effective spies to use against the Earthlings. Human spec-ops/black-ops units would be useless since Tamriel has detect life, they would lose the element of surprise relatively easily. They wouldn't.

Vivec could have saved Morrowind and the Dunmer at any given point from the Red Year. He could have prevented Red Mountain to errupt, or he could have CHIM'd Baar Dau out of existence. But he didn't. Because he doesn't care about anything except himself.

Tiber Septim/Talos could have prevented the Septim dynasty dying out at any point. He could have prevented the Empire falling apart as well. He even could have prevented Landfall, but that is a different thing. But he never actually did something. Because he doesn't care about anything except himself.

Arrogance and egoism are central points of CHIM. They're what makes the CHIMster able to retain his/her identity, even after realizing that anything is just a dream. They wouldn't suddenly turn benevolent and save Nirn.

All Daedric Princes already have limited power on Nirn/Mundus, and they can only really act through agents. Going by logic, they'd have even less power on Earth.

Also, as I mentioned above, we have Infrared and Sonar detectors. We could detect any mages using the invisibility and muffle spells.

We also have to take in account that, going by what we've seen of Tamriel already, the population is only about 500 million - 1 billion. We're already over 7 billion. The largest Tamrielian army is, at best, 100000 soldiers big. The biggest army on Earth is well over 2 million soldiers big. And all armys on Earth combined would be much bigger.