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Elven reproduction in lore
I was just wondering, where did you read/hear that Elves reproduce slower than Men? So far, all I've been able to find is a sentence in "The Real Barenziah" that says they have on average 3-4 children in their lifetime. Draevan13 (talk) 18:38, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I assume they reproduce slower simply because they live longer, they would be drastically overpopulated if they had as many babies as humans did but lived roughly twice as long. Zippertrain85 (talk) 18:44, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm asking because the way you keep saying "they reproduce slower than humans" I thought you had a source in TES lore rather than personal opinion. Especially since you said "all you need is to know the lore on Elves" when, to the contrary, TES lore states that they have 3-4 children on average, much like humans do. However, while they can live for a thousand years, they rarely do due to war and disease. Draevan13 (talk) 18:57, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

That's not an opinion. That's belief is based on a real fact that if they live that much longer and have the same amount of babies as humans they're going to get so overpopulated they'll become extinct. I don't think them having 3 to 4 children on average is true for this reason. Zippertrain85 (talk) 20:07, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Be that as it may, the people who make the game and story say they have the same amount of children as humans. So for future reference, saying "Elves reproduce slower than humans" is false since, quite the contrary, TES lore states they reproduce as quickly as humans but rarely live for a thousand years due to war and disease. It may be true in other fictional worlds that Elves reproduce slower but, in the Elder Scrolls Universe, it's approximately the same reproduction cycle. Draevan13 (talk) 20:56, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Biologically speaking that makes no sense what so ever. Also, where does it state that they have as many children as man? Barenziah doesn't count because that one Elf. That doesn't represent the whole population. Zippertrain85 (talk) 22:47, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

With humans it would make no sense. But we're dealing with fantasy and a race of beings that don't exist. Human physiology doesn't apply to the situation. Besides, it's stated on this wiki's page on Elves that they don't live long due to war and disease. Thus no over-population. And the Healer was referring to Elves in general when he states that they have 3-4 children on average, not just Barenziah herself. Draevan13 (talk) 23:08, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure who the Healer is. Anyway, they still do live to their hundreds atleast even with these things in mind so that's still twice as long as humans. Even then it still doesn't make sense, Bethesda wouldn't make such a lazy plothole.

The Healer who was brought in by Tiber Septim to confirm Barenziah was pregnant? Did you even read the lore in question?

Whether it makes sense you you or not, it's still the lore Bethesda chose for the Elven races. You stated lore as your source for how fast Elves reproduced, I was just pointing out that the lore actually contradicts your statement. That's all I was trying to say. Draevan13 (talk) 00:37, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Which books is this from. Because I have a very hard time believing Bethesda would screw up like this. Zippertrain85 (talk) 01:13, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's "The Biography of Barenziah" or "The Real Barenziah", it's been a while since I've read them. I don't see how it's a screw up, they explain how the Elves don't over-populate: war and disease mean they rarely live out their full lifespans. I've explained that several times. Draevan13 (talk) 01:27, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I just checked, it's in "The Real Barenziah". Draevan13 (talk) 01:31, August 9, 2013

And I already explained how despite this they still live to be 200 or 300 on average, which is still twice or three times as long as a regular human. I'll look through those. Zippertrain85 (talk) 01:33, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Orcs also have a thousand life-span, being Elves. Yet they don't over-run Tamriel, do they? Why? War and disease, same as the other Elves. Draevan13 (talk) 01:41, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

If you want to quicken your search, the part with the Healer is in "The Real Barenziah, Volume III", near the end. And it's 2-3 children, 4 is very rare, my mistake. Draevan13 (talk) 01:50, August 9, 2013

I read it. And it says how Elves don't have many children. Only two usually, and that's at a much older age then humans. But it doesn't seem common for them only to have one, or just none at all. Zippertrain85 (talk) 02:13, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

As it says, "two is usually the rule", just like the average in modern day North America. Well, 2.5, to be technical. Half a child. Creepy. Draevan13 (talk) 02:35, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I still feel like it doesn't completely refute my point about Elves reproducing slower. I don't want to know what a half baby is. LOL Zippertrain85 (talk) 02:39, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Certainly they produce fewer children than humans can. But not to the extent where they couldn't recoup their loses after 30-odd years, nor that they couldn't build up a huge army in the 100 years they took before attacking the Empire. Draevan13 (talk) 03:45, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

But she still made it seem like having one or no children was common. Also, you need to consider how many babies humans can have maybe they have 4 to 5 or average. We just agree to disagree Zippertrain85 (talk) 15:32, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

So when lore says "two is usually the rule" you interpret that as "one or none". Alrighty then. DRAEVAN13 19:21, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

They might have been talking about the ones that do have kids. Not all Elves in general. You took a lot of what that book said out of context. Zippertrain85 (talk) 20:00, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

"No Elven woman conceives more than four times, and that is very rare. Two is the usual number. Some bear none, even, and some only one." That seems pretty clear to me: Elves will rarely birth 4, 2 is the usual number, some will bear 1 or none. This is all we know of Elven reproduction, little, obviously. I'll admit, he doesn't specify. But my original point was that you said "all you need is to know the lore on Elves" when it came to their reproduction. This is all the lore we have, and it doesn't support your statement. It doesn't disprove it either, but it doesn't support it. But you can't say "lore proves my statement" when in fact no, it doesn't.  DRAEVAN13 20:26, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

On the Elder Scrolls Online's "Ask us anything" forum, the following was stated for elven lifespans:

"Elves live two to three times as long as humans and the “beast-races” (Orcs, Khajiiti, Argonians). A 200-year-old Elf is old; a 300-year-old Elf is very, very old indeed. Anyone older than that has prolonged his or her lifespan through powerful magic."

Just thought you should know. DRAEVAN13 01:17, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the Argonians in Windhelm
I recall that during our discussion about the Stormcloaks, you mentioned an Argonian named Scouts-Many-Marshes saying that the Argonians volunteered to live on the docks. I'm not sure if you misunderstood, because I just talked to him and this is how it went:

Me: Are you happy Ulfric is gone?

Scouts: You have no idea. It was his decree that forbade the Argonians from living inside the city walls. I hope in his next life, he's reborn as an Argonian forced to live in a slum because of a bigoted Nord dictator.

Just thought you should know, they're forbidden from living in the city. They didn't volunteer. DRAEVAN13 04:04, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

That could easily be misleading. It might've been Ulfric's decree that they live on the docks, according to Stands-in-shallow they used to live on the streets in Windhelm. The reasons Scouts could've thought he was a dictator to his kind was because he didn't give them all their own homes. But put them in a homeless shelter instead. Zippertrain85 (talk) 04:09, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

I just went and talked to Stands-in-Shallows. He asks me for Skooma, then has two sentences of unique dialogue, and then repeats generic greetings. I completed his quest, which makes him add another line of generic dialogue. Not once does he mention what you claim he says. In fact, I asked around Windhelm and none of the Argonian dock workers or Windhelm residents differ from one story: the Argonians are forbidden by Ulfric's decree from living in Windhelm. DRAEVAN13 04:32, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Someone told me he had that line of dialogue. I'll have to check around.

His only unique dialogue lines are: "Another day, another Septim", "The young folks are too happy to break their backs for the Nords. They forget what it was like to swim free!" and finally, if you're an Argonian, "Trust me, Marsh-Friend, you do NOT want to live in this city." Apart from that he just uses generic greetings. DRAEVAN13 13:19, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

So did you look around Windhelm? I did, and no one differs from what Scouts says: the Argonians are forbidden by Ulfric's decree to live in the city. DRAEVAN13 23:29, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

That stil isn't proof that it's because of discrimination. Zippertrain85 (talk) 00:52, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual or individuals based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group. Denying a race of people a right based on their race is textbook discrimination. DRAEVAN13 04:36, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it is right next to their job after all. Also, did you notice there might not be enough room in the city for them to live in. Do you know four empty houses they could move into? Zippertrain85 (talk) 04:39, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ulfric issued a decree forbidding Argonians from living in the city. Even if there were a hundred empty houses, they wouldn't be allowed in. Your argument refuting Stormcloak racism in Windhelm towards Argonians was based on Shallows' supposed dialogue. This has been proven as false, and even contradicted by the citizens. Ulfric forbids a race of people from living inside the city. Individuals of that race I'd understand, but all of them? Without even knowing who they are as people, how honest or hard-working they are, but simply because they're Argonian, they can't live in the city? That is discrimination. DRAEVAN13 04:48, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

They can enter the city when ever they want. Most Argonians like to keep to themselves. And again, there job is on the docks. It's not just because they're Argonians. I'll talk to the person I heard the Dialogue theory from to see if it's true. If it is, then this isn't discrimination at all. Zippertrain85 (talk) 05:32, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I never said they couldn't ENTER the city. Ulfric's decree forbids them from LIVING in Windhelm. Yes, their job is at the docks. So is Suvaris Atheron's, yet she lives in the city. Why? Because she's not an Argonian, and thus not forbidden from living there. The Argonians are given no choice in the matter. DRAEVAN13 13:55, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. Why would Ulfric force her to live on the docks away from her family simply for fill out some unnecessary quota? Zippertrain85 (talk) 15:47, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

He doesn't force her to live on the docks, as I said, because she's not an Argonian, and thus not forbidden from living in the city. DRAEVAN13 16:01, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

But as I explained, it's not a racial issue. Zippertrain85 (talk) 16:13, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

You said you don't think it is a racial issue, but you haven't given me a valid reason as to why Ulfric would issue such a decree. Available housing is irrelevent when the decree forbids them from living in the city at all, not forbids them until housing becomes available. Again, I would understand if he forbade certain individual Argonians, i.e Argonian A since he's a Skooma addict and Argonian B because he's a thief, but all of them without exception? At the very least, that's highly suspicious. DRAEVAN13 18:18, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

How do you know they can't live in the city at all? Why do you assume it's even if houses are built? I keep explaining this to you, but you've ignored it everytime. So again, they all have the same job on the docks, as far as we know they didn't have homes in the city. And again, I'll look for that quote. Zippertrain85 (talk) 18:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not ignoring your argument, it simply doesn't make sense. If the decree was issued because there isn't any available housing, no one of any race would be allowed to move in. But Ulfric's decree targets Argonians. That's why I think it has nothing to do with housing. Besides, they've been forbidden for years. You're telling me there hasn't been a single available house in all that time? I find that very unlikely.

If you can find a source for your theory, fine. But for now, the sources I found state that Ulfric forbids Argonians from living in the city. Not, as you originally thought, because they were homeless within the city and Ulfric kindly gave them shelter. They were never allowed inside in the first place. DRAEVAN13 19:08, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think I found out when he says it. You can hear him talking to the racist Argonian about their living situation. You need to talk to them fast or else they'll just give you the typical "you're not supposed to be in here". Zippertrain85 (talk) 19:17, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

You mean Shallows? I've spoken to him both inside and outside of the Assemblage, and all I've ever heard him say was what I listed in one of my previous comments. DRAEVAN13 19:26, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think he needs to have the conversation with the racist Argonian. It might take a while for the conversation to start. Zippertrain85 (talk) 19:28, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

So it's a conversation between Stands-in-Shallows and Scout-Many-Marshes? What do they say? DRAEVAN13 19:32, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Not Scouts-Many-Marshes, the Argonian who says he won't save you if you're drowning and tells you to leave if you're not an Argonian. I'm not sure exactly what they say, but I do believe it might be where the "it's better then living on the streets" dialogue came from. Zippertrain85 (talk) 19:36, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I will try to initiate that dialogue when I get home tonight. I'm pretty sure what he says means "it's better being forbidden from living in the city and in the Assemblage than being homeless", but we'll see. DRAEVAN13 19:45, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Non-Imperial Legionnaires
Someone pointed out on one of my threads that there are Nord Legionnaires and after checking, it turns out that half of them are Nord and the other half Imperial. Just thought you should know, I made a mistake in that regard. DRAEVAN13 22:22, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hello Zippertrain85

I am that contributer who was talking about making a "Why the Imperials are right" blog

It became something different, but still relevant to the "Stormcloak vs Imperial" debate.

I hope you get a chance to read it, it was my first blog so it probably sucks big time but thats why I would appreciate if you read it and gave not just your thoughts on the points but how the blog was structured. Thanks!

Cousland of Highever (talk) 18:45, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

The Legion's Secret Weapon
I'm sorry (not, because I'm neutral) to report this, but the Legion has aquired a secret weapon which will win the war...

Galmar didn't know what would come next when he said 'Imperial Dogs'....

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/576750379858391088/067CE521FCEB58091C81AA3E10B2830BDCD49484/

The Immortal Derpy Dragon God of Steak (talk) 20:03, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

No! That's Not true! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!Zippertrain85 (talk) 01:31, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Decree of Monument
I'm not sure if it was with you or Harold Burned-Mane that I had the discussion about the Decree of Monument referring to Solstheim and not all Dunmer in Skyrim, but I recently found evidence showing that the Decree refers to Solstheim. If you're interested, I wrote a thread about it:

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:415974  DRAEVAN13 19:26, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

~
Down with Ulfric,/ Killer of kings,/on the day of your death,/ we'll drink and we'll sing.

Blog post
I just made a blog you might be interested in adding your two cents to. DRAEVAN13 23:29, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Userbox
To be honest - I mainly just copy them from other users :) Or, I hijack the coding from existing templates to make it work. (Did you mean the ones like the xbox user one that i have? Or did you mean something else?) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 12:56, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you link me to where you are working on it? It is more than likely some ever-so-insignificant difference, like a comma in the wrong place. With templates (and coding in general), its usually something like that. :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 12:58, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I meant the link to the coding itself. I'd suggest creating a page such as User:Zippertrain85/Sandbox if you don't have a section yet, and add the coding in there. That way, I, or someone else, would be able to help with the coding and work out why it isnt working. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 12:12, November 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I saw your message to Tim about creating userboxes. It can be confusing at first. I have made some edits to the existing template. Feel free to use that one. If you want to know how I made it, just click on Edit to view the source. Anything that starts with "b" is about the border of the userbox, anything that starts with "m" is about the main content, and anything that starts with "l" is about the left content.— TombRaiser   SPEAK!  22:22, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * You can find all userboxes at Category:Userboxes, Stormcloaks is listed under Category:Organization Userboxes. Here is a quick view of what the Stormcloak template looks like User-Stormcloak. Click the link to view what the template will look like, copy this code to use it in your userpage. — TombRaiser   SPEAK!  18:44, November 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * You are trying to create the userbox on your profile. If you want to create your own custom usrebox, you should actually create it on a separate page as a template page by naming it something along the lines of Template:User-Zippertrain85-Custom1. I have created the template page so you can see the userbox code that I pasted into it (just click edit to view the source). That template page now acts as a shortcut template to be placed on your userpage as . The content that I used in that custom template page is the code for the Stormcloak userbox. I hope you understand. If not, I will try again. — TombRaiser   SPEAK!  01:38, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Unsigned1
Omgz u suk u r da wurzt! Impurialz are da b3st and feminizem f0r da w1n!

ScholarOfTheScrolls
Nah I'm joking. =P It's Mithrandir356 here. I made the account like i said I would.ScholarOfTheScrolls (talk) 20:18, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hardron
No, you should not respond. Ignore him and his user page. I'll be getting in touch with wikia staff to block his ability to edit his profiles, as he is using this method to get around his block. Jimeee (talk) 10:24, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

In the Battle of Windhelm, can we have it that General Hjolmund was about to kill Ysgramor, and thats when Miraak discovers his ability to Shout and saves Ysgramor with a desperate first-time-use of Unrelenting Force?

Ketick1998 (talk) 00:49, November 29, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Also, if you want, Miraak's mask can actually have been Kriid's. So Miraak kills Kriid(awhile later in the RP and stuff) and takes his Mask, and, with Mora's power, changes it to whatever Miraak's mask does in the game.

Ketick1998 (talk) 00:57, November 29, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

I know I'm probably getting annoying, but can you check out my RP I made a few days ago, called Great War II and tell me if you think its good, and if so, please join it.

Ketick1998 (talk) 01:12, November 29, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

I dont know how to link, just go to Forum>Roleplaying>go down to Great War II(Roleplaying) should be on first page.

Ketick1998 (talk) 01:30, November 29, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Thanks so much, you got 3-4 people to join my RP! :D

Ketick1998 (talk) 02:13, November 30, 2013 (UTC)Ketick

I want your opinion, should I start a RP thread that focuses on the Dragon War?

Ketick1998 (talk) 17:46, December 1, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

OK, thats perfect!

Ketick1998 (talk) 18:27, December 1, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Re:Blog
As long as you can keep it civil and not have it resort to personal attacks, then it's fine. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  20:26, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

HolyWyvern joined GWII as the King of Alinor. So you can RP with him on GWII, but he's offline right now.

Ketick1998 (talk) 01:59, December 3, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Hey, since you're the co-GM of GWII, I want your opinion, should the sequel entail the imaginative Third Akaviri Invasion?

Ketick1998 (talk) 00:39, December 4, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Can I keep my Dawnbreaker in The Skyrim Games

Ketick1998 (talk) 01:41, December 5, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Blog Critic Reveiw
Hey, Madman97 here. Dave was having problems publishing the review on his account so he just copy pasted it and did it on mine, so you can find it in my blog page this time. Thanks again.

Madman97 (talk) 06:56, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey. I know I'm probably being annoying by using your Talk Page a lot, but, I wanna make another RP with Stormcloaks, but I cant really think of a plot/story. What do you think it should be?

Ketick1998 (talk) 21:24, December 7, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

What do you mean after Imperial Questline? Like the Stormcloaks losing the Civil War then doing guerilla tactics?

Ketick1998 (talk) 21:32, December 7, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Do you think a war between the Stormcloaks and Dominion would be good? The Third Nordic-Elf War? The Stormcloak-Dominon War? The Skyrim-Alinor War? I am also wanting it to be in the point of view of the Rebels winning.

Ketick1998 (talk) 21:42, December 7, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Blog Critic: Part 2
Part 2 of your Stormcloak argument review is up. Steel yourself.

Your Friend,

4. 1. 22. 5. M97 (talk) 00:02, December 8, 2013 (UTC) (Dave)

Its in 4E 203, after the Skyrim events. Meaning, all the DLCs happened. Maybe the Divines brought him back as a pure person, actually, do that, yes.

Ketick1998 (talk) 23:50, December 8, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Hello Zippertrain, you know when you asked if you could be Miraak in my Dragon RP? Yes. Please do so.

Ketick1998 (talk) 00:07, December 9, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Btw, The CoM(who revealed himself to be named Ketick) killed Reptile, the Vampire Lord Argonian.

Ketick1998 (talk) 01:58, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Were there any... I don't... explosives, in the cornucopia? Goldflame33 (talk) 02:24, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can I just kill Sobjorn off? MoW is getting annoying, he is doing stuff without, gah, its annoying.

Ketick1998 (talk) 02:27, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

I wanna make more RPs with you, but I am out of ideas. RPing with you is so fun, and I want to make more RPs with you. What ideas do you have?

Ketick1998 (talk) 22:58, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

That sounds good...may I call being the apprentice?

Ketick1998 (talk) 23:06, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Yeah, both. Do you want it to be like The Force Unleashed I or The Force Unleashed II?

Ketick1998 (talk) 23:09, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Want me to tell you the morale of waht happens in Force Unleashed 2?

Ketick1998 (talk) 23:14, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Basically, Starkiller is believed to be a clone, made by Vader, and when Vader says this, the clone escapes to figure out if he's the real Starkiller or just a clone, he finds Rahm kota, and finds wahts-her-face, but whats-her-face was knocked out and taken by Boba Fett. Starkiller goes back to Kamino(the planet where the game starts in) and infiltrates it, killing many Stormtroopers, then he battles darth Vader, then Juno(remembered her name) is thrown out the window. Starkiller then battles Vader once more and wins, then Rahm Kota tells him Vader's more useful alive, choose to keep him alive, then he is taken in custody, if you choose to kill him, another clone of Starkiller, Dark Starkiller, stabs Starkiller in the back, and kills everyone else. Then, yeah thats the end of it.

Ketick1998 (talk) 23:27, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

OK. Make the RP if you're gonna make it now, please.

Ketick1998 (talk) 23:42, December 10, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

Alright, I just got back on and I wont be on long.

Ketick1998 (talk) 02:44, December 11, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998

RE:YouTube channel
There was an Elder Scrolls Wiki YouTube channel many years ago, before my time on the wiki. I am unsure of what the channel was named. It only contained Oblivion quest walkthroughs, as Skyrim had not come out yet. Perhaps Tim would know. However, we are talking about creating a new channel for quests of all games. -- 07:17, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the new RP now :D?

Ketick1998 (talk) 23:49, December 12, 2013 (UTC)Ketick1998