Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-85.74.137.231-20130605091958/@comment-8248675-20130814051546

Akatosh is not Lorkhan! Lorkhan is Shor an Shor is brother of Akatosh, just like Lorkhan is brother of Auriel. Shor was venerated by ancient Nords as their chief god, but after mer gods killed him, Alduin took over as a chief god for a while in Nordic pantheon.

Wulf was a human reincarnation of Talos, who warned Nerevarine about chaos to come and end of Septim line. He helped him by giving him/her, his lucky coin that gave Nerevarine luck of the Emperor effect.

Now, I never heard of Mankar Camoran being made Dragonborn by Wulf or any other incarnations of Talos or Shor, or Ysmir. Wasn't he in his paradise most of the time anyways? If I remember correctly, Mankar Camoran lived in his paradise since before Talos had evem becom an Emperor. Didn't he start his teaching and wrote Mysterious Xarxes somewhere in the first era or before? I maybe wrong on that, but I see no connection between Mankar Camoran and Dragonborns...besides the fact that he was waiting it out in alternated dimansion, like Miraak for many years. However, unlike Miraak, he could leave his paradise if he wanted to.

Now before Talos being proclaimed Ysmir by Greybeards, it was Wolfheart of Atmora who was such and he was made into an avatar of Shor for his deeds. Zurin Arctus seemed to have become also the same Ysmir when they needed a spirit of a god to power Numidium. Then appearntly Talos manteled all other avatars of Shor and became one himself, taking a place in the pantheon that used to be occupied by the missing god Shor/Lorkhan, becoming a Ninth Divine, Talos.

Now, I guess even before Wulfhearth was an avatar of Shor and Ysmir, there was an ancient Nordic Divine Ysmir, that was represented by fox. However, that is where it gets confusing even for me and I will not be able to explain to you the difference. Oh yeah, don't forget that Pelinal Whitewisk, might have also been Ysmir, during the time of Alessian rebelion. I think there might have been someone else...boy there were a lot of Ysmirs.