User talk:GramsJ/Archive 2

Archiving
No problem :) Really, I just didnt want that page showing up on the Lonely Pages list :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 03:08, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Vote
Hello there! Your opinion is requested at Forum:CT:Categorization of the wiki. Love to hear from ya! :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  12:05, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
hey, i noticed you changed a page from being in Side Quests to being in Side quests, but the proper one for it to be in would be Side Quests with a capital "Q". if you want to discuss this further i'm always on the IRC Rosenrot87 (talk) 22:23, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * For the most part, yes, but with some exceptions. i don't bother changing categories regarding templates or admin stuff, and i don't change the capitalisation of words like "of", "by", "the", "and". etc... at least if those words are in between two words example would be if there were a category called Grelod the kind (which there is not lol but you know what i mean lol) it would become Grelod the Kind, not Grelod The Kind. Rosenrot87 (talk) 22:51, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * hey, could you please hop on the IRC as soon as possible? Rosenrot87 (talk) 02:36, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * well categories such as that should be plural, like the characters categories, it seems the wiki has that as the main theme in most categories. and as for coordinating, i'm not sure yet but if you have any ideas i'd be open to them, or at least open to considering them, if i think of something though i'll let you know alright? Rosenrot87 (talk) 04:32, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Enemies infobox
Hey there, Grams! The Creature vs. Enemy idea has been debated by many frequenters of the wiki, without a concrete solution yet. For now, take Alik'r (Skyrim) and Pyromancer as examples of how to format articles that are both NPC and Enemy. As it stands, we're using the Creature infobox (most of the time), and stating things such as "Race" and "gender" in the text of the article. Creating a new infobox might be in order, and you're more than welcome to design it and show it to me. Perhaps if one was in existence, and it's need fully expressed, others would be more inclined to implement it in other pages. Just a thought. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  03:51, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * ^^ What the smart man said. Btw - I honestly think taht the Bestiary/Enemies thing is something we need to create, too. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 03:52, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry about not responding right away. I get so distracted sometimes. I managed to take a look at the template; it looks great. I want to get some more opinions on it, however. As far as clothing items goes, we should be using the SkyrimArmor infobox, not the Item infobox. Someone probably added it, not knowing which one was the right one. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  03:33, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Image categorization
Even before the category discussion, we were never supposed to add images to the over-arching image categories (i.e. Category:Skyrim: Images, Category:Oblivion: Images etc.) If they are included there, then the subcategories for the images are completely hidden, and finding images becomes a nuisance. I've been working to remove all images from those categories and only insert them in the most specific category possible. The easiest way to categorize an image is to add the proper template to image page and remove everything else. We have such templates for all Skyrim Images. SkyrimCharacterImages and SkyrimApparelImages to name a few. Just replace the middle word with the type of categories you want and you're good to go. Also remember that images of maps need SkyrimMapImages while locations need SkyrimLocationImages. There seemed to be some confusion in regards to that, so I hope this clarifies it. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  20:19, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know. I wish it wouldn't be added to pages, the Skyrim: Images category that is. And yes, the Category:Images and another category is added through the Esimage template. At some point, we may decide to remove it, which should clean up that category rather nicely. Still up in the air, though. Let me know if I can help you in any other way. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  21:05, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * No. Someone's going to need to make one. You're more than welcome to, if you want. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  01:18, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Spell infobox
Hey, Grams! Thanks for creating the Spell infobox. Looks very sharp. I removed the intorductory phrase, though, because it didn't match our current formatting style for spell articles. I know other infoboxes use it, but I'm petitioning to have it removed. At any rate, keep up the great work! --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  02:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I'll be adding the infobox too! Also, if you happen to stumble across a Conjuration spell page, could you also add SkyrimConjurationSpells? That would be awesome. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  04:35, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Spell articles
Right now, any individual Spell Tome articles redirect to the page about the spell. Keep putting the information about the spell tomes as you have been. I'm not sure if we'll create individual articles for each tome in the future. We'd end up with tons of duplicate pages with essentially the same information. Most of the spell tome locations are randomized anyway, so I can't think of any benefit of having them on separate pages at this point. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  00:36, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the word "Notes" should never appear on an article anywhere. I think it's lazy formatting. It's where the useless comments of an article go to die. I try to remove them as much as possible, but they still seem to sprout up in every article on the wiki, sadly. Please continue to remove them, whenever you see them. I chose to use "Usefulness" because this was used on Oblivion spell pages long before Skyrim's release. Truly, it keeps up with the consistency of the wiki, I think. Plus, I should also note that "Usage Notes" isn't a proper header simply because "Notes" is capitalized. Only the first word of a header, and proper names in headers, should be capitalized. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  01:17, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization of header names
There are wikis which do use capitals and those which don't. Another wiki in which I administrate prefers capitals for all non-prepositions in the header, similar to how books, magazine articles, and other things are title. Apparently, here, that is not the case. It's something that existed before me that I've respected. I know Wikipedia also follow the pattern of only capitalizing the first word and proper nouns. It's not important that they do; it's only one example that we may choose to emulate. In fact, this little stylistic format might change in the future, depending on the community. I'm certainly open to it. Until then, I do want consistency with the guidelines that have been put in place. Don't take that as a personal attack or anything. I'm just getting on a soapbox, like always. :P --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  03:29, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
=) congratulations are in order for you as well, for your promotion to Patroller, wtg!  HaLo2FrEeEk  Here I am! 22:13, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hey there!
Hey Jan! Just wanted to say great job on the spells and potions. Keep up the good work! :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  08:32, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I may not know exactly what you're going through, but my sympathy and prayers go out to you. I love that you're still so dedicated to improving the wiki, even in your condition! You've really been a great help to us all :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  02:33, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't overwork yourself! You're doing a fine job. I'm amazed by your resolve :p. There was something I wanted to ask you. You operate a bot, right? What can it do? We've been talking about needing one recently, to do things like change categories, fix templates, italicize game titles etc. Do you think your's could do that? If so, we might be able to authorize it (that's what we're supposed to do, at any right) and use it more often for large scale edits on the wiki. Let me know if you're interested. -- 05:27, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Spell pages
Just so you're aware, you don't need to put esimage on the spell pages you're adding the images to. The template is used for the image pages themselves. For instance, it belongs here but not here. Hope this helps! :) -- 19:45, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Spell book info
Hey. Not sure why it took me so long to notice, but I just realized that you removed all the spell tome attributes from (at least) all of the Conjuration spell pages (for which there are spell tomes). I spent a long time gathering that information and I don't really appreciate having it removed, even it was centralized on the Spell Tome page, it wasn't necessary to remove it from the individual pages. I think you should have talked to me about it before hand.  HaLo2FrEeEk  Here I am! 20:59, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hello!
Hi GramsJ! Just wanted to stop by and say "Hello" :P Hope you're doing well. Great job with all those Spells and stuff. :D 03:12, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Blight
Nah, you did a good job, Grams! I believe I know what it was, though ;) I think that you were thinking of Black-Heart Blight. That one actually DOES exist as a disease in Oblivion. Although in Oblivion, its not one of the "Blight" diseases (i.e. the ones caught from Red Mountain's ash clouds, Dagoth Ur, etc, etc), but rather just a normal disease. Anyways - no problem :) Figured it was a mistake, and corrected it :D People have fixed enough of my tiny little ones over the last year or so :D Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 05:31, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Spells
Sorry I haven't responded as swiftly as normal; I've been taking a small wikivacation due to stress and real-life concerns. At any rate, I'm glad to see you resolved most of the issues before I logged in. First, I would say that pages like Magic Rune and Shock Damage (Skyrim) are useful, not only because they list spells and weapons capable of producing that damage type, it's also useful because of the enchantment itself. It gives detailed accounts of the topic in a broader sense, so I wouldn't recommend nominating them for deletion. Not to mention, tons of pages link to them at present. This segues into Resist, which you've formatted very well. Consider articles like Alteration or Conjuration. I call these articles "soft disambigs". They offer cursory information on the topic, while linking to disambiguated articles that focus on the specific mechanics for each game. We should be doing this for any and all articles that apply, to avoid repeating information in the disambiguated articles. In regards to Damage Health (Spell), I think we need to redirect that article to the Damage Health disambiguation, then create an article for Damage Health (Oblivion). On that article and Damage Health (Skyrim), we can focus on the alchemy, spell, and enchantment properties for each game. Damage Health is an actual spell in Oblivion. While it's only an alchemical effect and enchantment modifier in Skyrim, it is all of those things in Oblivion also. I suspect the current state of the article is a result of the OblivioWiki merge. Well, I hope I tackled all of your concerns (or at least a large portion!). Let me know if I forgot anything ;) -- 16:38, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Heya
Just letting you know that when you upload an image, you don't really need to include the template. Just select "This image is from "The Elder Scrolls" series of games and qualifies as fair use" from the dropdown menu to add the licensing. That's all that's really required.  HaLo2FrEeEk  Here I am! 17:44, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Book Images
Um ... I just removed it from the Book template because it was breaking the template itself. Personally, I think that no, they should not be there in the very cover of the article. In the gallery section, sure, but not at the very start. I don't know, it might be just me, but for the image there, I think it should be just the images of what the books look like. I.e. the different covers in oblivion and morrowind as well. However, it is probably an idea to put it to the Consensus Track thingy to find out if others want to have the images there (i.e. the content pages, too!) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 22:58, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that! I'm still kinda tired :( Yeah, it does. But even if it were to work, personally, I would dislike it. (Again, that is just my personal opinion, which is just one person's voice out of many :p) Okay, to answer the other two ones: No, that has not changed. If an image is attributed properly on the image page itself, then this suffices, with regards to copyright. Users who want to know the source of images can therefore do so on the image itself if they so wish, or, more often not :) But we need it on the image page itself for those that want to see it :) With regards to the third one - actually? Quite probably :) That would actually make quite a bit of sense! (I don't know enough about coding to know how to make that possible, though :( Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 23:23, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Problem
GramsJ we have a problem on the Destruction (Skyrim) page on the shock section.

Whoops!
Yeah, that one was my fault.

I originally wrote out the list from the Construction Kit, and listed them on the Morrowind (Potions) page. That one was a typo. So thats why it was named that. I renamed the page and corrected the link for you :) Also, I know that they are somewhat inconsistent (some are Potion of x, some are cheap x potion, cheap potion of x, etc, but that is based on the in-game names for them. Anyways - yeah, apologies. I made a mistake. If you see any more of those, feel free to rename them :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 01:13, April 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whoops! My apologies! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 01:34, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Cyrodiilic Brandy
Hey GramsJ, I see you're working on the Cyrodiilic Brandy pages right now and I just wanted to inform you of the Cyrodilic Brandy page that is wrongly named for the Skyrim version. You might want to rename that and add it to the disambig page along with the rest of the Cyrodiilic Brandy. That's all. Keep up the good work! :) 22:50, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for the notice. I'll try to open my other hand, sorry.

-Hilegrod.

If I'm not mistaken I think those two pictures you uploaded previously of the "Glass Greaves" and "Daedric Greaves" are actually Glass and Daedric Gauntlets...

Jarjar4u (talk) 05:48, April 13, 2012 (UTC)JarJar4u

RE: Draugrsword
Hi GramsJ. I don't know if the image looks dark on your screen, but his image of the sword appears clear and highly detailed on mine. No hard feelings here, I just don't think he would like seeing his hard work replaced so quickly, as I do recall him mentioning he spent hours with the meshes for weapons. As for replacing other images, I see no problem as long as it's an obvious improvement and not just over something minor. 00:42, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Proper race names
Hi GramsJ. When adding the race of a character in the infobox, we use the proper name, for example, Dunmer instead of Dark Elf. This is something that was corrected by Veetor-Bot III a couple months ago to ensure proper names are used over common names. Just passing along this info to keep things consistent. :) 22:41, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

It's really just the Mer characters that have the common and proper names. I know that the elven races are listed under their common names in the CS and CK, but to keep things consistent we are going by the names that they are categorised under on the wiki. I don't know if you were aware, but, recently we had the bot change all instances of Orcs to Orsimer, too. It's not a huge deal, but better to notify you now before the bot has to run the change again. I understand that you're not able to be in IRC, messages by Talk page are just as good. ;) Take care of yourself now. 00:50, May 9, 2012 (UTC)