The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log September 2018

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 * 20:14:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I guess we can begin?
 * 20:15:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Amulet of Kings what exactly does your topic mean?
 * 20:15:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: do you want to change the time or just the formatting
 * 20:17:31: Amulet of Kings: The time is supposedly going to remain the same unless ET and UTC change to summer time in different days
 * 20:18:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: UTC doesn't have a summer time
 * 20:18:09: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but ET does
 * 20:18:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so the time changes
 * 20:19:16: Amulet of Kings: That is what I am going to explain in a moment
 * 20:19:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oki
 * 20:20:41: Nehpys: *you have a minute and 30 seconds to explain*
 * 20:20:42: Nehpys: :P
 * 20:20:53: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
 * 20:21:37: Starkiller131: Changing the moot time? Bladhem
 * 20:21:44: Starkiller131: Blasphemy*
 * 20:21:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD
 * 20:21:50: Starkiller131: Stupid phone
 * 20:21:53: Starkiller131: XD
 * 20:22:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I suggest it to Atve once but he said that that time fits the admins best
 * 20:22:29: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: suggested*
 * 20:22:43: Amulet of Kings: He said that he liked my proposal
 * 20:22:48: Starkiller131: ^ administrators over regular pes.. users
 * 20:23:11: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ic
 * 20:23:21: Amulet of Kings: Atvelonis probably won't make it to the moot.
 * 20:23:25: Starkiller131: I just noticed you AES. Hi!
 * 20:23:30: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oki
 * 20:23:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so please present your topic Amulet of Kings
 * 20:23:58: Rozty: is this technically amulet presenting or nah
 * 20:24:24: Amulet of Kings: Are we going to wait a bit more? Because there is hardly anybody here
 * 20:24:31: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ik
 * 20:24:32: Starkiller131: ^
 * 20:24:32: Nehpys: i mean he said he was about to after being interrogated about it before.
 * 20:24:35: Starkiller131: Crap
 * 20:24:41: Nehpys: so id give him time to type tbh
 * 20:24:47: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I'm wondering if we should make any decisions with so little people here
 * 20:24:48: Starkiller131: ^
 * 20:24:55: Starkiller131: Dang it!
 * 20:25:17: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but on the other hand the time is posted so if you're not here it's not our problem
 * 20:25:21: Starkiller131: Our opinions matter more anyway... So
 * 20:25:33: Starkiller131: That's my ego speaking
 * 20:26:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: you can always repeal any changes later anyway
 * 20:26:51: Amulet of Kings: I think we have waited enough
 * 20:26:55: Starkiller131: Not unless I get my my alt to block you. ;)
 * 20:26:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: perhaps
 * 20:27:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD
 * 20:27:11: Amulet of Kings: He are his alt, not the other way
 * 20:27:20: Amulet of Kings: *You are
 * 20:27:43: Starkiller131: Be quiet before I consensus you
 * 20:27:46: Starkiller131: XD
 * 20:28:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: well chronologically Star is the OG
 * 20:28:35: Starkiller131: Well yes, and I won't leave.
 * 20:28:50: Nehpys: Anyway, I guess we'll start below this line then? Anyway, AoK, here:
 * 20:28:52: Nehpys: ---
 * 20:29:04: Starkiller131: Even when I don't edit, I check on the wiki.
 * 20:29:12: Nehpys: DAMN IT STARKILLER
 * 20:29:16: The Great Laggi: Ok back, but probably only a few minutes
 * 20:29:16: Nehpys: ;D
 * 20:29:26: Amulet of Kings: The first topic of the moot is proposed by me
 * 20:29:36: Starkiller131: You're the arena guy, right?
 * 20:29:51: Nehpys: yes, it is I, ArenaMaster1994
 * 20:29:57: Nehpys: :kappa:
 * 20:30:02: Starkiller131: Okay let's shut up XD
 * 20:30:08: Nehpys: Anyway, AoK: Go.
 * 20:30:08: The Great Laggi: its (kappa)
 * 20:30:10: Nehpys:
 * 20:30:19: Amulet of Kings: I want to propose to change the reference hour of the moot from Eastern Standard Time to Coordinated Universal Time
 * 20:30:34: The Great Laggi: i read that earlier
 * 20:30:57: Amulet of Kings: First, I need to introduce some concepts for those who aren't familiar with time standards
 * 20:31:10: The Great Laggi: i had trouble finding my time zone because it was listed as my instead of mst
 * 20:31:17: The Great Laggi: mt*
 * 20:31:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I am :P I wrote the whole timetable on the moot page
 * 20:31:49: Starkiller131: Shh, I'm not familiar XD
 * 20:32:13: Amulet of Kings: The Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the primary time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time. English speakers often use Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) as a synonym for UTC, although they are not technically the same.
 * 20:32:38: The Great Laggi: ...
 * 20:33:10: Amulet of Kings: The Eastern Time Zone (ET) is a time zone encompassing 17 U.S. states in the eastern part of the contiguous United States, parts of eastern Canada, the state of Quintana Roo in Mexico, Panama in Central America, and the Caribbean Islands. Places that use Eastern Standard Time (EST) when observing standard time (autumn/winter) are 5 hours behind Coordinated Universal Time.
 * 20:34:06: Amulet of Kings: In summer, the time is advanced by an hour, changing to the Eastern Daylight Time (EDT), which is 4 hours behind Coordinated Universal Time (UTC−04:00)
 * 20:34:50: The Great Laggi: so for them it would be 12:00, while in UTC it is 4:0
 * 20:35:00: The Great Laggi: 4:00
 * 20:35:50: Amulet of Kings: The moot is always held at 4 PM EST. This means that it is held at 9 PM in UTC timezone in winter, and 8 PM in summer
 * 20:36:15: The Great Laggi: ok
 * 20:36:37: Nehpys: Hm.
 * 20:36:42: Nehpys: Doesn't seem too bad of a change.
 * 20:37:03: Nehpys: I'm guessing this is to support other palces *not* in EST?
 * 20:37:11: The Great Laggi: i like it
 * 20:37:19: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
 * 20:37:35: Starkiller131: Really dumb question, but how does this affect people (like me) in central time?
 * 20:37:38: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: UTC is easier to convert to your own time
 * 20:37:47: Amulet of Kings: Time zones around the world are expressed using positive or negative offsets from UTC. Therefore, someone who wants to calculate at which time the moot is going to be held, he must take into account his county's UTC timezone, the Eastern coast's timezone and calculate the difference.
 * 20:38:33: Rozty: utc is a lot easier to remember than est
 * 20:38:50: The Great Laggi: So we all understand how this will affect us?
 * 20:38:50: Amulet of Kings: In addition, not all countries change to summer time, so they must also take more variables into account when calculating the time
 * 20:39:16: Starkiller131: I don't have a problem with this, most
 * 20:39:21: Starkiller131: Crap!
 * 20:39:47: Starkiller131: I'm tempted to throw this phone out the window.
 * 20:40:39: Nehpys: looks like he did
 * 20:40:56: The Great Laggi: Should we vote?
 * 20:40:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so you're suggesting we change the time to a UTC time so it's easier to understand and won't change?
 * 20:41:09: Amulet of Kings: I propose that the moot is held at 9 PM UTC *always*. This means that the moot will continue being held at 4 PM EST in winter, but it will be at 5 PM in summer.
 * 20:41:21: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oki
 * 20:41:28: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 20:41:37: The Great Laggi: (+)
 * 20:41:40: Rozty: *ah wait that is kinda important change*
 * 20:41:41: Amulet of Kings: This way, users only need to see their timezone and add or rest the number in their timezone
 * 20:41:44: Rozty: (+)
 * 20:41:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: tho the time could be a little earlier
 * 20:41:48: Rozty: heck wait
 * 20:41:48: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 20:41:51: Rozty: (=)
 * 20:41:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: that kinda late for europeans
 * 20:41:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: it's 11 pm for me rn
 * 20:42:17: Nehpys: (=)
 * 20:42:30: Rozty: (it's because we already go well after midnight for me, but in the summer that means we will start at midnight)
 * 20:42:37: The Great Laggi: so 2-2-0
 * 20:42:52: Amulet of Kings: We didn't start voting yet, we are discussing
 * 20:43:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I counted 4-2-0
 * 20:43:02: The Great Laggi: oh
 * 20:43:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh
 * 20:43:13: Rozty: i changed mine
 * 20:43:16: Nehpys: No, it's 3-2-0. Rozty changed, but yeah what Amulet said.
 * 20:43:30: The Great Laggi: (XD)
 * 20:43:31: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh i didn't notice that
 * 20:43:41: Amulet of Kings: What about at 8 PM UTC? (3 PM EST in winter, 4 PM in summer)
 * 20:43:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: that's not much of an improvement
 * 20:44:19: The Great Laggi: only an hour’s difference in winter
 * 20:44:21: Amulet of Kings: But it's what we have been doing until now
 * 20:44:22: Rozty: it's easier for me ngl, but would those at 3 pm be able to attend at that time?
 * 20:44:31: The Great Laggi: idk
 * 20:44:51: Rozty: until now we have not taken into account winter and summer time, it has always been the same
 * 20:44:52: Amulet of Kings: (Europeans are more important than Americans)
 * 20:44:57: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 20:45:15: The Great Laggi: well, R.I.P. my importance
 * 20:45:18: Nehpys: ^
 * 20:45:22: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: why would people not be able to attend a moot at 3 pm on a satuday?
 * 20:45:27: The Great Laggi: idk
 * 20:45:31: Rozty: lunch
 * 20:45:45: The Great Laggi: who eats lunch at 3
 * 20:45:54: Rozty: (me)
 * 20:46:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so you can't move your lunch but I have to stay up until midnight?
 * 20:46:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: seems fair
 * 20:46:02: The Great Laggi: oof
 * 20:46:11: Rozty: oof x2
 * 20:46:22: The Great Laggi: just us
 * 20:46:44: The Great Laggi: smallest moot ever
 * 20:46:48: Rozty: yes, let's do it at 8 PM UTC then
 * 20:46:51: The Great Laggi: ok
 * 20:46:53: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
 * 20:47:13: Rozty: we didn't notify the /d this time so we don't have people randomly dropping by
 * 20:47:15: Amulet of Kings: It's either 3 pm for Americans or 10 pm for Europeans if we continue this way.
 * 20:47:22: The Great Laggi: oh boy, gtg for real
 * 20:47:27: Rozty: rip
 * 20:47:31: The Great Laggi: bye guys have fun
 * 20:47:39: Amulet of Kings: 22:00 isn't very nice either for a Saturday
 * 20:47:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 20:48:15: Rozty: since more europeans are in this moot i think we can force this change on the americans (kappa)
 * 20:48:28: Amulet of Kings: I want to know what you think
 * 20:48:32: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: how about 12 pm for americans and 4 pm for europeans?
 * 20:48:56: Rozty: i as a european like the idea of not getting to 4am to discuss tiny's eso troubles
 * 20:49:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 20:49:09: Amulet of Kings: Call God and tell him to change timezones
 * 20:49:16: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
 * 20:49:23: Nehpys: as an american *how dare you suggest wasting my 12o'clock big mac*
 * 20:49:24: Rozty: if only
 * 20:49:26: Nehpys: (kappa)
 * 20:49:29: Amulet of Kings: Wait
 * 20:49:56: Rozty: a game changing revelation?
 * 20:50:11: Amulet of Kings: I want to add that the European Commission has proposed to remove summer time change, so this will make things even easier
 * 20:50:28: Rozty: i remember that, but they haven't decided that yet
 * 20:50:52: Rozty: or did they in the span of a few hours, and i have just not been keeping up with the news
 * 20:51:09: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh summer time is kinda pointless
 * 20:51:18: Amulet of Kings: They have agreed to take the matter to the European Parlament
 * 20:51:20: Rozty: very
 * 20:52:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: an hour more daylight isn't worth the confusion
 * 20:52:10: Amulet of Kings: Once it is approved, countries will choose what timezone they want to stay in, for example Spain will change to UTC
 * 20:52:10: Rozty: it's probably going to get dropped tbh, and we may be seeing the european time zones getting removed as well
 * 20:52:21: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: especially when it only gets dark for 4 hours a night during the summer here
 * 20:52:28: Rozty: oof
 * 20:53:13: Rozty: i don't think there's anything else to say right?
 * 20:53:33: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so what are we gonna vote on?
 * 20:53:42: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: are we going to agree on a time?
 * 20:53:52: Amulet of Kings: Summarizing, I propose to held the moot at 8 PM UTC. People in the ET will attend at 3 PM EST in winter and 4 PM in summer
 * 20:53:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: or should we just change it to UTC and keep the time
 * 20:54:49: Amulet of Kings: We can change it to 9 PM UTC in subsecuent moots if it is better
 * 20:55:09: Rozty: i think i like 8 UTC better
 * 20:55:15: Rozty: vote?
 * 20:55:26: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: if this was one of those big wikis we could host 3 separate moots, 1 for america, 1 for europe and 1 for asia or something
 * 20:55:45: Rozty: (aren't we supposed to be a big wiki)
 * 20:55:49: Amulet of Kings: Atvelonis said to make it clear that he supports the proposal
 * 20:55:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: not really
 * 20:56:01: Amulet of Kings: Vote?
 * 20:56:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oki
 * 20:56:14: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 20:56:17: Rozty: tbh he was talking about the 9 pm utc, not the 8 but whatever
 * 20:56:21: Rozty: lemme ping everyone
 * 20:56:34: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+) for 8 pm
 * 20:56:45: Nehpys: (=)
 * 20:56:56: Rozty: @peeps that are away, vote [[Amulet of Kings
 * 20:56:59: Rozty: fucki
 * 20:57:02: Nehpys: Doesn't affect me too much, not sure how to feel.
 * 20:57:05: Rozty: i messed up
 * 20:57:10: TinyClayMan: Argh
 * 20:57:17: Rozty: (+)
 * 20:57:23: TinyClayMan: I forget about the moot the moment I close it
 * 20:57:29: Rozty: pls ignore my failure above
 * 20:57:29: Amulet of Kings: 3-1-0
 * 20:57:32: TinyClayMan: tl;dr?
 * 20:57:45: Rozty: moot is gonna be 8 PM UTC
 * 20:57:46: Amulet of Kings: I propose to held the moot at 8 PM UTC. People in the ET will attend at 3 PM EST in winter and 4 PM in summer
 * 20:57:54: Amulet of Kings: *hold
 * 20:58:24: TinyClayMan: Nothing changes, but looks better
 * 20:58:27: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 20:58:33: Nehpys: 3-1-0
 * 20:58:33: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh and easier to understand
 * 20:58:36: Amulet of Kings: 4-1-0
 * 20:58:40: Rozty: we get to hold it one hour earlier
 * 20:58:51: Rozty: at times
 * 20:58:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I think we can consider that passed
 * 20:58:57: Amulet of Kings: Next topic
 * 20:59:00: Rozty: we can
 * 20:59:02: Rozty: hooray
 * 20:59:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I can change it rn
 * 20:59:23: Amulet of Kings: The Crusader of Truth isn't here
 * 20:59:38: Amulet of Kings: Nehpys?
 * 20:59:38: TinyClayMan: Ping him till he comes
 * 20:59:48: Nehpys: So far, it seems 3-1-0.
 * 20:59:56: Amulet of Kings: It doesn't work like that
 * 21:00:09: Amulet of Kings: ^^You can present your topic
 * 21:00:19: TinyClayMan: 4-1-0 (with my vote)
 * 21:00:35: Nehpys: I voted Neutral.
 * 21:00:53: Rozty: yeah, but 4 others voted support
 * 21:01:02: Nehpys: Mhm.
 * 21:01:17: Amulet of Kings: Rozti, Finelia, TCM and me
 * 21:01:22: Rozty: so it's 4-1-0
 * 21:01:41: Rozty: anyway, presenting time alymar
 * 21:01:50: Nehpys: Alright.
 * 21:02:01: Nehpys: I propose a review of "Good Articles"/"Featured Articles" (and their appropriate/applicable candidates) to confirm if they still are deserving of their status or nomination (the former not applicable to Featured Articles).
 * 21:02:13: Rozty: hecking copy paste
 * 21:02:18: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: done
 * 21:02:21: TinyClayMan: Heh
 * 21:02:25: Nehpys: i wasnt going to type it again lol
 * 21:02:32: Amulet of Kings: (I copied from wikipedia, so I don't care)
 * 21:02:41: Nehpys: Anyway...
 * 21:03:00: Rozty: i don't even remember what articles are considered good or not tbh
 * 21:03:09: Nehpys: I noticed when editing Arena shit that some of the articles ahead (notable, Crystal Tower and such) are nominated for Good Article when, last I checked, they were sub-par.
 * 21:03:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: idk if I should add more about summer time
 * 21:03:29: TinyClayMan: (lol, my moot topic will be about not allowing to copy paste text for moot proposals)
 * 21:03:34: Amulet of Kings: @Rozti https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:FA
 * 21:03:59: Nehpys: And considering the overhauls I've subjected the earlier pages to, the pages I edited arent representitive and may be under-quality for the "Good Article" rating, yet the article still has it.
 * 21:04:06: Rozty: (kappa) @ tiny
 * 21:04:16: Nehpys: I've noticed this with some other pages aswell, but I'll be damned if I can link them.
 * 21:04:30: Rozty: hold on, we don't even have any good articles currently right?
 * 21:04:43: Rozty: wikitext works here so you can
 * 21:04:45: Nehpys: I propose a substantial reviewing of candidates for "Featured Articles" and a reviewing for those nominated "Good Article" and confirmed "Good Article"
 * 21:04:52: Rozty: if only it could work
 * 21:05:00: Nehpys: There are definitely Good Articles.
 * 21:05:20: Rozty: *why aren't they listed on the page*
 * 21:05:26: Nehpys: "There are currently 42 good articles, out of a total of 61,149 articles on TESWiki."
 * 21:05:32: Nehpys: Dunno.
 * 21:05:33: Rozty: *where*
 * 21:05:45: Nehpys: They have a category, I think.
 * 21:05:54: Rozty: how can we review them if we can't find them
 * 21:05:56: Nehpys: Lemme get it from [[Escape From Prison (Arena)[[
 * 21:06:03: Nehpys: Escape From Prison (Arena)
 * 21:06:17: Amulet of Kings: I also noticed that some Featured articles are quite simple. They are only long because of the dialogue/quotes
 * 21:06:29: Nehpys: Category:TESWiki Good Articles
 * 21:06:38: Rozty: Elder Scrolls this one has been nominated for a year
 * 21:06:44: Nehpys:
 * 21:06:46: Rozty: just let its suffering end alreayd
 * 21:06:47: Nehpys: There, Rotz.
 * 21:07:15: Nehpys: I also suggest fixing that damned Daedric "GA" icon so it *doesnt* float in the infobox and become invisible on bright colors
 * 21:07:22: Rozty: they definitely need to be checked over
 * 21:07:48: Rozty: the page i linked isn't even short
 * 21:08:22: Nehpys: It does have a neutral vote, which may have been holding it before?
 * 21:08:24: Nehpys: "Just needs info from Loremaster's Archive and the Third Era section needs expansion The Rim of the Sky (talk) 23:31, June 15, 2017 (UTC)"
 * 21:08:53: Rozty: i bet it still needs it to this day
 * 21:08:59: Nehpys: Prolly/
 * 21:09:05: Nehpys: Anyway, vote now, I guess?
 * 21:09:17: Amulet of Kings: Look at this:
 * 21:09:18: Amulet of Kings: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Sheogorath
 * 21:09:48: Nehpys: That damned Split template has been there forever lol
 * 21:09:59: Amulet of Kings: Shouldn't quotes collapse into a box? I don't like who they take 60% of the article
 * 21:10:11: Amulet of Kings: *how
 * 21:10:58: Rozty: if the page was split maybe they wouldn't be taking so much space
 * 21:11:11: Amulet of Kings: It's not the only page where it happens
 * 21:11:14: Nehpys: They should be using Collapsable Class, right? Like here Thelen Kaarn
 * 21:11:41: Nehpys: Actually, better here: Blubamka
 * 21:11:44: Nehpys: she has more examples
 * 21:11:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: isn't this good and featured article stuff admin territory?
 * 21:11:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: can we do anything about it?
 * 21:12:00: Rozty: i don't think it is
 * 21:12:08: Nehpys: ...yes.
 * 21:12:25: Nehpys: I included candidates in the suggestion. Just review the article and leave a vote if it's not to par.
 * 21:12:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: hmm oki
 * 21:12:48: Amulet of Kings: Ok
 * 21:12:51: Nehpys: I'm sure there can be some
 * 21:12:52: Rozty: it's mostly just a vote for well written articles, (that has been abandoned tbh) and we are discussing a review to see if they are still worthy of the titel
 * 21:12:53: Nehpys: woops
 * 21:13:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but why is this a moot topic?
 * 21:13:19: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: if anyone can review them do we need to vote on this?
 * 21:13:36: Rozty: (thinking)
 * 21:13:57: Amulet of Kings: But we couldn't revert a featured article until now, right?
 * 21:14:19: Nehpys: I never said to revert a FA, as it's already been featured.
 * 21:14:23: Rozty: revert in what way?
 * 21:14:36: Rozty: like remove its status?
 * 21:14:42: Nehpys: You can't really revert that lol
 * 21:15:06: Rozty: *wasn't that the moot topic tho*
 * 21:15:10: Amulet of Kings: "confirm if they still are deserving of their status or nomination"
 * 21:15:38: Rozty: KINMUNE, what do you make of this
 * 21:15:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: you have to use a question mark to activate a response
 * 21:16:00: Rozty: rip nehpys, his chat cloes
 * 21:16:02: Rozty: closed
 * 21:16:14: Rozty: (i forgot the question mark)
 * 21:16:24: Amulet of Kings: @KINMUNE what timezone do you live in?
 * 21:16:34: Amulet of Kings: ?
 * 21:16:43: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: no @
 * 21:16:56: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: anyway back on topic
 * 21:17:04: Amulet of Kings: Nehpys is gone though
 * 21:17:16: Rozty: yeah so alymar had a problem with chat and now he is gone
 * 21:17:23: Rozty: he can't get it back up
 * 21:17:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: damn
 * 21:17:40: Amulet of Kings: Let's benefit from the situation and vote
 * 21:17:42: Rozty: the thing is, he already kinda sorta presented his moot topic
 * 21:17:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ^
 * 21:17:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: we can vote
 * 21:18:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: tho I don't think it's necessary
 * 21:18:03: Amulet of Kings: We can consider his vote later
 * 21:18:05: Rozty: *on what*
 * 21:18:37: Amulet of Kings: Proposal: review featured and good articles to judge whether they should be good articles
 * 21:18:37: Rozty: (is it proper to just quietly sweep it under the rag and move on with mine)
 * 21:19:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oki let's move on
 * 21:19:23: Amulet of Kings: Last topic
 * 21:19:38: Rozty: ah right, me
 * 21:19:52: Rozty: Category:Morrowind:_Characters_by_Location
 * 21:20:01: Amulet of Kings: Democracy works better when only 3 people vote
 * 21:20:04: Rozty: we have this wonderful specimen of what chaos looks like
 * 21:20:10: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 21:20:29: Rozty: i want a purge
 * 21:20:33: Amulet of Kings: But what's wrong with it?
 * 21:20:42: Rozty: of almost every subcategory there is on it
 * 21:21:13: Rozty: 80% of the subcategories are minor locations with at most 6 or 8 characters, caves mines and stuff
 * 21:21:27: Rozty: so i want to purge them
 * 21:21:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: sounds good
 * 21:22:00: Amulet of Kings: Give me a minute to analyse
 * 21:22:13: Rozty: problem is deciding what gets to stay or not, because i have also spotted some region categories that i believe should stay
 * 21:22:30: Rozty: and there are also some towns, which i think should also stay
 * 21:22:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: how are the other games categorized?
 * 21:22:53: Rozty: tl;dr, anything that can be considered a "dungeon" needs to go
 * 21:23:00: Amulet of Kings: Are all locations in the list marked in the map?
 * 21:23:17: TinyClayMan: Other games are categorized the same
 * 21:23:20: Rozty: i've never seen such categorising in other games, they tend to be a lot more simpler
 * 21:23:45: Rozty: you don't have x mine characters for skyrim for example
 * 21:23:47: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ic
 * 21:23:47: TinyClayMan: With the exception that locations with less than 5 characters don't have a special category
 * 21:23:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Amulet of Kings Morrowind doesn't have map markers
 * 21:24:18: Rozty: there are some towns that show on the map, those can stay
 * 21:24:24: Amulet of Kings: I mean the yellow boxes in the map
 * 21:24:28: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 21:24:35: Rozty: yeah, those are the towns only
 * 21:24:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: the towns are boxed yes
 * 21:25:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: vote?
 * 21:25:07: Amulet of Kings: I think that only places that are marked in the map should stay
 * 21:25:13: Rozty: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Morrowind:_Ashir-Dan_Characters
 * 21:25:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 21:25:44: Rozty: there's 108 subcategories on this thing, it's hurting me
 * 21:25:58: Amulet of Kings: What would happen to the NPCs that aren't located in any town/city?
 * 21:26:25: Rozty: usually those don't have a specific location category, but we can keep the region specific categories
 * 21:26:45: Rozty: that way it will be a lot better
 * 21:27:14: TinyClayMan: >aren't located in any town/city
 * 21:27:30: TinyClayMan:
 * 21:27:37: Rozty: isn't that the region category
 * 21:27:45: TinyClayMan: No
 * 21:28:00: Amulet of Kings: ESO NPCs should be classified by region, not by city IMO
 * 21:28:03: Rozty: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Morrowind:_Bitter_Coast_Characters
 * 21:28:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oki
 * 21:28:28: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 21:28:32: Rozty: this is used for characters outside of a certain town
 * 21:28:56: Rozty: would the characters in the town also have that though
 * 21:29:10: Rozty: then we need a subcategory for a subcategory
 * 21:29:18: TinyClayMan: What's wrong with
 * 21:29:43: Rozty: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ashir-Dan
 * 21:29:55: Rozty: the page is not a stub because there is literally nothing else on it
 * 21:30:09: Rozty: this is the place for 90 of those categories
 * 21:31:05: TinyClayMan: 9 characters seems enough for me to create a category
 * 21:31:31: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: why tho?
 * 21:31:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: it's easier just to read the list of characters on the location page
 * 21:31:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: the category is useless
 * 21:32:33: Rozty: the location isn't significant enough, and given how many of them are in morrowind, it becomes overwhelming
 * 21:32:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 21:33:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: can we vote now?
 * 21:33:14: TinyClayMan: The suggestion is to leave it only for settlements?
 * 21:33:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
 * 21:33:26: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: like all the other games
 * 21:33:46: Rozty: yeah, basically
 * 21:34:09: Rozty: if you are good then i think we can vote (once amulet also gets back)
 * 21:34:49: TinyClayMan: Should we ping him? (I forget about the ongoing moot after I lose sight of the window with it)
 * 21:35:04: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Amulet of Kings
 * 21:35:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: we should vote
 * 21:35:24: Amulet of Kings: But are all settlements marked in the map?
 * 21:35:29: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
 * 21:35:35: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I think so
 * 21:35:51: Amulet of Kings: It could otherwise be an ambiguous proposal
 * 21:36:08: Amulet of Kings: @Rozti?
 * 21:36:41: Rozty: i don't think it is that much
 * 21:36:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: as far as I can remember I never had to search the wiki to find a settlement, unlike these caves and dungeons
 * 21:36:55: Rozty: if anything it's pretty straightforward
 * 21:37:32: Rozty: while we are on this, there are also region specific categories there that i don't think should be changed
 * 21:38:08: Rozty: so we keep settlements visible from the map and regions
 * 21:38:45: Amulet of Kings: Vote?
 * 21:39:34: Rozty: i just thought of pasting the chat url on a tab in the same window as my rest in order to stop changing windows
 * 21:40:00: Amulet of Kings: I prefer using alt+tab
 * 21:40:06: Rozty: *it has been months that i was using the chat and i just now thought of it*
 * 21:40:15: Rozty: i never remember keyboard shortcuts
 * 21:40:40: Amulet of Kings: I discovered how to write | today...
 * 21:40:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: nice
 * 21:40:55: Rozty: anyway, High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia and TinyClayMan, are you ok with this?
 * 21:40:59: Amulet of Kings: Linking to other pages was a pain
 * 21:41:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
 * 21:41:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I already voted
 * 21:41:14: Amulet of Kings: (integral)
 * 21:41:16: Rozty: lol so i guess there is always someone worse than you
 * 21:41:20: Amulet of Kings: (exp)
 * 21:41:31: Amulet of Kings: Feck, which was the mathematical operation?
 * 21:41:36: Rozty: i added a bit at the end there about regions
 * 21:41:51: Rozty: idk, good luck trying to find it
 * 21:41:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 21:42:00: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 21:42:02: Rozty: TinyClayMan pls answer
 * 21:42:06: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:42:08: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:42:12: Rozty: yay
 * 21:42:17: Amulet of Kings: He is away
 * 21:42:22: Rozty: 4-0-0 then
 * 21:42:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: you don't need to use my whole name to ping btw, Finelia works too
 * 21:42:30: Amulet of Kings: I told you, Triunvirate beats democracy
 * 21:42:40: Rozty: i copy pasted, so it had to be the whole thing
 * 21:42:49: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh oki
 * 21:43:00: TinyClayMan: Although, wait
 * 21:43:03: Rozty: Triunvirate shall one day rule the wiki
 * 21:43:10: TinyClayMan: I change my opinion
 * 21:43:18: Rozty: *why*
 * 21:43:19: TinyClayMan: (-)
 * 21:43:23: Rozty: heck
 * 21:43:29: Rozty: 3-0-1
 * 21:43:29: Amulet of Kings: That's why you aren't part of the triunvirate
 * 21:43:36: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 21:43:38: TinyClayMan: *I am not feeling uncomfortable with all those categories*
 * 21:43:45: Rozty: *i am*
 * 21:44:04: Amulet of Kings: Nehpys is away, so there are no more topics
 * 21:44:11: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 21:44:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: and Crus never showed up
 * 21:44:29: Rozty: rip that topic, although we should look at those articles at one point
 * 21:44:45: Rozty: so moot is over then?
 * 21:44:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so the catogory one passed
 * 21:44:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
 * 21:44:53: Rozty: nice
 * 21:45:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: unless someone has another topic
 * 21:45:02: Rozty: we did it before 1 am
 * 21:45:03: Amulet of Kings: He can propose it in the next moot, if people discover that the hour has changed
 * 21:45:21: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 21:45:30: Rozty: anyway, i wonder how crus is doing, haven't seen him in quite some time
 * 21:45:39: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I declare this moot over!