User talk:Flightmare/Archive/3

Add Video/Photo placeholder
Hey Flight. Is there a way to remove the Add Video and Add Photo templates that are automatically added when selecting Standard Layout when adding a new page? It gives users the false impression that we allow videos to be posted in articles. I tried finding it in MediaWiki, but I'm not sure I'm searching for the right wording. The last time it was fixed the page MediaWiki:Newpagelayout was edited, but that doesn't seem to be the page that is loading these new add video/add photo placeholders. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  20:22, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've tried before. Haven't found it yet. Maybe the w:c:Community is the only place that can help us out. ~ Flightmare (talk) 23:38, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll ask over there. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  00:34, January 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I got a quick answer! It's here MediaWiki:Createpage-with-video. Fixed! :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  01:08, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Spoiler Template
Hi, Flightmare! I'm trying to add a Spoiler template to another wiki, and no matter what I've tried, the "show" button doesn't show, and the text is not hidden. Is there any chance that you could take a look and see what I've done wrong? The pages in question are here, here, and here. Please let me know if I've asked the wrong person (I was just looking through the edit history for the template)! MontagnaMagica|Talk 05:48, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * We are using a modified script for the collapse. It should be imported or copied from MediaWiki:Common.js/collapse.js. You can see how it is imported on MediaWiki:Common.js. You can use it as is, but the current version we are using can break pages if no template is present. A new spoiler is on our to-do-list. ~ Flightmare (talk) 13:54, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Weapons, armor, items
Flightmare. At no point was anything said about a weapon and armor template redesign. The old design worked fine and the style used on NPC pages does not work at all. I have reverted them as a redesign this big was not discussed.

I'll implement the standardized css for these template myself if that is the problem.

Jimeee (talk) 21:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was discussed, I referred you to this discussion before: Forum:CT:Infobox_Revamp. The template itself is very outdated. ~ Flightmare (talk) 21:24, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * No it was not. Standardized css is fine - "This standard will become a CSS-class, with several game-specific subclasses (for the colour schemes)".


 * But not all infoboxes are required to follow the NPC design. I will continue to undo your changes until this is discussed further as a complete redesign was not the outcome.
 * Jimeee (talk) 21:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * How was this not the outcome? Five to none: A decision was reached, infoboxes were in big need of an upgrade. One style had to be picked: This was about creating a general style, not as much about picking a style. It appears you are overzealous, trying to protect as much as you can. But this is a community project and we can't just ignore the fact some parts of this wiki need major attention. The wiki is in dire need of simplifications. Merging styles would be a major contributor. ~ Flightmare (talk) 21:41, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, the five to one had nothing to do with an arbitrary redesign - Where on that page did the discussion take place that talked about:


 * The white gradient you added at the top.
 * The change in text size.
 * The removal of basic info header.
 * The complete redesign of items templates.


 * I didn't mention these before, but it seems you took 5 votes of support as a passport to change what you think is "outdated". Without discussing the finer points with any other user - and you call me overzealous and say this is a community project? Come on...


 * Lets not forget the ignored comment from Energy X at the bottom: "Just hold on a minute - why isn't there some disussion which model we should use?". Yes - why wasn't there some discussion?


 * Removing the hardcoded style and adding classes isn't a problem because the final product would have looked the same - that is what we guessed you would be doing. I saw the CT when you posted it - don't you think I would have said something if I knew this is what you had in mind? This is the problem - a complete lack of communication.


 * Who says one style needs to be picked? We have 2 styles of infobox - NPC style and Items style. Two. Often, the style of an infobox is suitable for one type of article, but not another. Both old styles work for their respective articles well. Not broke - don't fix. The actual design of the infoboxes were not insane mess that you made it out to be. The hardcoding, yes - but not the design.


 * Perhaps the wiki does need some simplification on a few areas - but guess what, that's not even the biggest problem. Hit random page link and you will see the biggest problem - the actual content of this wiki is mostly poor. Forget the fluff. The fancy gradients and what not. The meat of the wiki is the actual content and that is the thing that needs to most attention.
 * Jimeee (talk) 18:09, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is not about prioritizing things, it is about improving what can be improved. You make a big deal out of some topics when people actually try to improve the wiki, but don't consult other people when you are about to duplicate more and more useless templates. This is one of the things that make this wiki hard to learn for new users, especially when thinking the average user will ruin good quality writing. When you don't see anything wrong in templates, does not mean it is flawless. Actual code lines used in those templates are deprecated as of the MediaWiki 1.19 upgrade, which was rolled out last year. One example is the align=center argument that should not be used. Since no two users have the same amount of time to spend on this wiki, saving time by using the same class when correcting deprecated templates seemed like a valid point to me. All the time you spent editing this wiki, you did not seem to care at all. You had your chance for at least half a year. But the moment I try to fix things, you jump in and start wasting valuable time for both of us. This seems like over protective to me, this behaviour echoes all over the wiki. There is no point in claiming the npc template format is unsuited for weapons, as it appears to be working out for shouts. The small decrease in text size and the removal of that completely obvious row, was an answer to your concerns about infoboxes becoming too tall. I think it is strange you want better writing in articles, but are afraid of some better visuals. What is wrong with a very small amount of fancy visuals when we are far behind all other big wikis in terms of visuals. ~ Flightmare (talk) 19:34, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * "but don't consult other people when you are about to duplicate more and more useless templates." - I think you will find I usually run things by Tombs and Kenny at the least - go and ask them. Name some templates that are "useless"? Go on...


 * At no point was I ever against issues relating to the code and MediaWiki 1.19 upgrade. But these are issues that can be solved through the css file, hence redesigning a template for that reason is not even an argument - I know exactly how the css works.


 * I had my chance for half a year? Don't make me laugh - perhaps I didn't deal too much with templates is because I was too busy organizing and filling out huge amounts of content for Dawnguard, Hearthfire and Dragonborn. Not to mention ensuring we had a decent featured article every month - Do you really need examples of what I have done? Where were you or 3/4 of the staff during these busy times? Certainly not helping out. It was all on Tombs, Kenny's and my shoulders. So don't even try to say I don't give a damn about the wiki.


 * You miss the point about the edits you made about fonts etc - it's not that I disagree with them or that I am against fancy visuals, because i'm not. If I had a problem with the gradient etc, I would have said - it's the fact that you are changing things of your own accord without even bothering to ask anyone their opinion. And no, the CT is not asking, for the reasons given in my last post. Isn't this a community? "npc template format is unsuited for weapons, as it appears to be working out for shouts." - The shouts are spells and use a similar format to them - and it works with them. Items templates are different, the NPC style doesnt work for them (did you check a page when you changed the template? It looked terrible) and in fact they are far from the "fancy visuals" you speak of. They are a boring table format.
 * Jimeee (talk) 20:28, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * All changes where thoroughly tested, but I cannot guarantee you clean your caches. Such things normally correct themselves within a small period of time. In what way did the NPC format not work out for you? It is quite ridiculous claiming such minor changes should be discussed thoroughly, especially when the majority of them was agreed upon already. Introducing such rules you speak of would severely hinder future template creations, something you are not unfamiliar with. ~ Flightmare (talk) 20:38, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

On that note, Jimeee, when are we going to see some of these "high traffic" pages unlocked? People have already asked about this on your page and other places, and I'm concerned as well. You claim that this is needed because we have too few patrollers (doubtful, especially due to the recent additions), and that you update and fix them as needed (which doesn't happen - I can usually spot at least 3 problems easily on each). --Shockstorm (talk) 00:46, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * This came to my attention a while ago, our high amount of locked pages is very counter-productive. Reasons like 'vandal protection' are ungrounded in most cases. Locking a page for a very small amount of troll-edits, creates a cat-and-mouse-game where administrators will never win. Vandals can target any other page just as easy. I don't think claiming a page is 'done' is a valid reason for locking. Perhaps it is time to establish a solid locking-policy via a the CT-board. ~ Flightmare (talk) 19:34, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like turtles. Just saying.

Beta Message
User_blog:Timeoin/The_Elder_Scrolls_Online_-_An_Important_Message_Regarding_Beta - How's that? Did I get everything? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 19:19, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is just fine. But maybe we can strengthen the story by telling them they will get banned from all current and feature Zenimax test products when they leak information. This applies to pretty much every Beta test around, so I think it is safe to assume Zenimax would act the same. I have seen multiple users getting banned from all Microsoft beta products for leaking Age of Empires Online screenshots when I was in that Beta group. ~ Flightmare (talk) 19:39, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oooh yeah. Thanks - I forgot to mention that! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 19:48, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Wikia's messed up categories
Hey Flightmare, I don't know if you are aware of this, but since Wikia has done some global update on categories, for some strange reason it is messing up all categories on Morrowind pages, and only Morrowind pages. If you look at any Morrowind page, you'll see that all pages now only contain over-arching categories. I contacted Wikia about this, but haven't heard back yet. Is there someway you can suppress what changes they made so it doesn't ruin the category structure we have? Because once someone edits a Morrowind page it deletes the "Morrowind" part of the category and inserts an over-arching category. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  22:20, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed they had changed something, but had not yet experienced any breakage. I will take a look into this, but I fear we can't affect this in any way. ~ Flightmare (talk) 22:25, February 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what I was afraid of, because it's going to ruin the category structure the longer it remains unfixed. I hope they fix this soon, else we will have a bunch of over-arching categories to sift through again. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  22:32, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is time to get myself a bot. ~ Flightmare (talk) 11:56, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears to be nothing more than a display error. All category structures and page categories are fine, they remain unaffected. ~ Flightmare (talk) 13:43, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * After editing a page, it broke. Very strange, the category in the page itself was listed as normal when viewing the page in source mode. ~ Flightmare (talk) 13:51, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've been in contact with Wikia support over the last few hours, and this is what I was told:


 * We have a batch of fixes to the category select module which we can start testing tomorrow to see if any of those help with the problem; if they do they should all go live on Wednesday. If not we will leave the ticket open for our engineers to investigate further next week. I will let you know what they find out!


 * Unfortunately I do not know of any way to prevent the categories being altered on the Morrowind pages when they are edited. As long as you don't edit them they will be fine (it is just a display issue -- the proper categories are still there and the pages are still in the categories if you check the category pages). If somebody does edit one, you can try just reverting any edits made and the proper categories should be re-inserted. Alternately, if you edit the pages in the monobook skin you can re-insert the proper category while preserving the edit (I did this today for the Aldi page, and you can see which is there in the diff link off the history). You can set your skin to monobook in your preferences, or, on a page by page basis, append ?useskin=monobook&action=edit to the URL. I realize these are far from perfect solutions as they will require a lot of legwork on your part, but at least they might help keep the damage down a bit.


 * — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  07:08, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

what you replyed, do you have a good download link?
 * No. ~ Flightmare (talk) 17:44, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

ok, um. i had did the glich with level up book thing. i for got wat its called but i was already a level 81 wen i got the DLCs for elderscrols, and i havent leveled up sence, an i have alreay compleated the dragonborn quests. will i still be able to do things with the vampire and werewolf perk trees??
 * Yes, leveling vampire and werewolf perks don't require you to level up your character level. ~ Flightmare (talk) 15:05, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

i am haveing troble with the summon Durnehviir shout, i am pointing my screan @ the ground that is big enough to hold the dragon, but wen i go to should it start to but then my character just stops and doesnt do anyhtng. what do i do? i have no idea why this is happning. i have all 3 words for the shout unlocked the first 2 words work when i hold the button for my shout for a short time but wen i go to use the whole shout my character shouts the 1st 2 but like... incompleats the 3rd and nothing happens.Tatonka70 (talk) 21:16, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Revised
um....idk if you guys are aware of this but on the hearthfire expansion page yall have for the stewards yall say jennassa can be a steward but on her page it says she can not is that editor error or can she be a steward...sorry if you have gotten this comment from someone esle im new here

Just a Heads Up
So I could not find any direct reference to whether or not it's ok to create pages for unobtainable things that were finished, but never actually added to the game. There are very few pages for these kinds of things, one example being Briarheart Geis. Anyways, I added a page for the spell Fade Other, in order to reference it's effect on child NPCs on the Children page. I hope that's something that's allowed to be added to our wiki, so I guess this is just a heads up since I'm not 100% sure it's ok... Ulithium Dragon (talk) 03:14, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Such pages are very helpful as the Wiki's aim is to provide as many information as possible. Other Wikis dedicate more resources to these unimplemented aspects, and I think it is time to put some effort into this ourselves. One thing we are missing is some sort of unimplemented content header, to avoid reader confusion. ~ Flightmare (talk) 15:08, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

sorry i was only marking it for deletion for what is was desrcide as.
 * Actually, it was a good thing you did. It brought the problem to my attention, which I would have missed otherwise. ~ Flightmare (talk) 22:23, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

DragonScript may need updating
Hey Flightmare, Can you check the DragonScript template. Recently I had to add double "R" to the end of Durnehviir's name within the Dragonscript parameters on his page, because when it was spelled "DurnehviiR" the "R" at the end would not appear when previewing the changes. It simply ended "ii". Thanks! — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  02:50, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is the first instance where ii is followed up by r. I did not make the language compatible with that since there was no pre-Dragonborn record of such names. Especially since ir is a symbol itself. I will be expanding the template somewhere soon. At the moment I am thinking of writing an entirely new version in Javascript, but this would create a double-edged situation: far better performance, but won't work for people that block Javascript. ~ Flightmare (talk) 13:13, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

A little template help
Well I thought I should take your Fishy Stick Template and make something similar to it, with a different picture and color (on a different wiki) but a problem I'm running into is that the source code you copy is giving a link to a template that according to my research, doesn't even exist here. Its called, Template:Subst: and I have no idea what it is. You're one of the only two key contributors, Xell Khaar here has been unactive for quite some time.

Thanks if you reply to this.

☞ Яǐɱ ( Chat with Meh ) ( Updates )

04:53, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Subst is short for substitute, a standard MediaWiki feature. It has nearly no impact on content the end-user gets to see. All it does is making a hard copy of the template on the page itself, instead of using a reference. So it actually copies the source of the page. This is to save parser time (improving loading speeds), but does eliminate any dynamic updates as it no longer links to the template page. So when that source template is updated, the substitute doesn't. I hope this is enough information, otherwise I would advise you to read the template help on MediaWiki. ~ Flightmare (talk) 11:58, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Tribunal icon
Hey Flight,

Do you know if we have an icon for ? I'm trying to add all of the game icons into the Stub template, but I can't seem to find out. Do you know if we even have one? Thanks in advance. Kroq-gar78 (talk) 06:08, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have one. ~ Flightmare (talk) 08:50, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Corrected spelling/grammar
Thiagodella (talk) 21:30, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Im here to report a problem in a page (I cant edit it)

In this page: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Armor_(Skyrim)

Cuirasses | Light

a bug occurs if you sort by any attribute (Item ID will go to defence points).

Sorry my bad english.

Javascript stuff
Hey,

Shockstorm just suggested adding a small snippet of javascript so that there's an "edit" button next to the entries on "WhatLinksHere" pages, since it's pretty much all they're used for - fixing disambigs.

The code can be found here. I think it needs to be added to MediaWiki:Common.js, but I'm not to sure. I was thinking you would know, so can you add it? Thanks! Kroq-gar78 (talk) 05:41, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Added ~ Flightmare (talk) 13:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm going to just revive this thread. I noticed that if you click the "edit" button next to a redirect, it adds "?redirect=no?action=edit". The "?redirect=no" is completely unnecessary and actually breaks both the "edit" part and instead follows the redirect. For now, you can see this on Special:WhatLinksHere/Voice Cast.


 * I was thinking in or near the line " var linkHref = aLink[0].href+"?action=edit"; " in MediaWiki:Common.js we could add a check to see if "?redirect=no" is already in the target URL before adding "?action=edit", and, if it is, we could strip off "?redirect=no". You probably know JS much better than me, so I was thinking it'd be a bit safer for you to do it :P Thanks in advance! Kroq-gar78 (talk) 18:19, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you link me a page? I noticed the script having other issues. Making the regular links useless, but I found the error and fixed it months ago. It was a very sloppy typo from the original scripter, but very easy to overlook. I thought the script should only affect the "What links here"-pages, which should never list redirects at all. So if you have any specific page, please link it. - Flightmare (talk) 20:31, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, WhatLinksHere does, in fact, list redirects. You should be able to see it at Special:WhatLinksHere/Voice Cast, where it shows a redirect from Cast. Kroq-gar78 (talk) 20:50, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Now I see, but it only does that when you check a page that has a redirect to it. I misunderstood at first and thought it would list redirects to pages linking "here". - Flightmare (talk) 20:55, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed it, you might have to purge your cache. - Flightmare (talk) 21:37, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Kroq-gar78 (talk) 04:41, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hello
I recieved your message. Hello there! 58.179.93.152 14:19, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Help
Hey Flight, I saw you left a message, can you teach me how to make my profile cooler or what ever you said?
 * So, how do you want it to be? - Flightmare (talk) 11:47, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations on your kids. I'm only here because your signature was on my page. I guess that's it.T&#39;argo (talk) 16:17, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Updating the infobox.css
Hey Flightmare, When you get a chance could you update MediaWiki:Common.css/infobox.css with the new infobox colors for online? There is a preview of what the OnlineNPCs infobox would look liked. We've decided to use the color dark grey (#111111) and to use the ESO logo in the infobox as well. See here: TombRaiser/OnlineNPCs. Thanks! — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  05:04, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, pleakse take notice that the general class does not exist anymore as of now. —Flightmare (talk) 12:36, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

infobox vs. infoBox
Hey,

I'm going through the Book and Template:Kroq-gar78/Book/game templates, and I'm thinking of bringing them up-to-date with the infobox styling (like SkyrimLocations). However, I've found "infobox" in Common.css and "infoBox" in Common.css/infobox.css. The latter looks like the one we're updating all of the infoboxes to, so should I be using that one or the other? Are we phasing out "infobox" and keeping "infoBox"? Kroq-gar78 (talk) 22:23, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * We use infoBox. infobox is a theme that is installed by default on all Wikias. I did not want to override it, but at the same time, we should avoid it as well. The default one is not used here. - Flightmare (talk) 15:45, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Inn page delete
Hi Flightmare :) I have removed all links to Inn: Waht links here so I could set the page to delete but you have a link on this page User:Flightmare/sandbox/DPL and I don't know how to change it. It's "Old Hroldan|Inn|The Reach". Or will it change somehow on its own as it's a code? Don't know much about this type I'm afraid. EbonySkyrim (talk) 12:28, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * It is safe to remove. That page generates the list itself. - Flightmare (talk) 13:06, September 7, 2013 (UTC)