Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-6702118-20140722142914/@comment-24349111-20140722214837

Br3admax wrote: Pelinal Whitestrake wrote:

As I said, they are subgradients of them.

The Monomyth says that Auriel is Anu's soul. A subgradient.

Sithis and the Monomyth say that Lorkhan is Padomays 'son'. A subgradient. Sithis flat out says that Padomay is Lorkhan, and the Monomyth says that Anu formed himself into Akatosh to help other spirits formed. Mara is a subgradient of Anu. She follows his same basic principles and behaves somewhat like he would. Aka is Anu. He reflects him, he acts like, him he creates order, Time, like him. Mara can't do these things and is a subgradient. Aka can an is an embodiment of a principle. Sithis like wise is change and space. Sithis is a principle and Lorkhan embodies this principle. He isn't a subgradient of this principle, he is the principle made flesh, or in this case, rock. I don't think Akatosh has all the power Anu has, but he is Anu all the same. The rest of the Aedra are more akin to Alduin's relationship to Akatosh than Akatosh's relationship to Anu. Same with Lorkhan, the Daedra, and Padomay.

Dark Jeto wrote: Because the link to the Imperial Library that he was questioning in particular was a link to Michael Kirkbride's posts. And it's not easy to understand the deeper ideas without understanding their origins or their significance and relation to in-game events. I understand, but we aren't really using out of game sources in this debate. Best to not confuse those not familar. Unless we're going to go into the much deeper parts of lore. I have one serious question.

Do you know the concept of Subgradients?

TES is all about subgradients. Everything is a Subgradient of the Godhead. Including Anu & Padomay.

Akatosh and Lorkhan being completely Anu & Padomay would not make any sense at all, as Anu & Padomay exist outside of the Aurbis and are the first Subgradient of the Godhead. Akatosh & Lorkhan are on a much lower Subgradient. I'll explain it:

0. Godhead =

1. Anu & Padomay =

2. Anuiel & Sithis =

3. Aka & Lorkhan =

4. Akatosh, Alduin, all other Time Gods, Dragons & Shor, Sheor, all other Space Gods, Shezarrine

That's how it works.

You may be right that they are essentially the same, but the thing is that everything in the TES Universe is just the Godhead broken down into several subgradients. Which means that a rock has as much to do with Anu & Padomay like, let's say, Mara does.