User talk:Kroq-gar78/Archive 1

Welcome and paragons
Ahoy, matey! And welcome to ye old Elder Scrolls Wiki! Thank you for helping me standardize the Paragon articles by adding "See also" sections. I would like to remind you, in case you haven't had the chance to view our style guide, that we only capitalize the first letter of section headers and proper nouns. Otherwise all lower-case. Also, I removed the links to Paragon and Paragon Platform, since they were linked to elsewhere in the article. We try not to overlink pages to other articles. At any rate, thanks for help, and I hope to see more constructive edits from you :) -- 03:04, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Revert
Hello, sorry thats not the part that was the problem. The journal table was altered and the formatting became messed up. I planned to add your relevant changes back into it.

As a general rule, you should check preview mode if making any changes to the formatting of tables. thanks.

Jimeee (talk) 21:17, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks. I almost always do check the preview. That's what I get for editing things at 1am! Kroq-gar78 (talk) 21:19, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Fort Dawnguard talk page
I've gotten back to what you had to say on the Fort Dawnguard talk page and I would like to remind you of the signature policy,. It is mandatory to sign the posts, and makes it simple to keep track of who has said what.

Axel Shiokawa (talk) 21:24, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that! I guess I just forgot that time. EDIT: Actually, upon further investigation, I wasn't the one who created the post. I just added the Header format in (surrounding the text with '=='). It was Competitive who actually created the post. Kroq-gar78 (talk)01:06, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thank's for fixing the potions link under harkon, I wasn't sure how to word it.Evil's Evolution (Hitmeup) 04:14, July 20, 2012 (UTC)Evil's Evolution

No problem! :) Kroq-gar78 (talk) 04:15, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome job
Your tireless attempts at cleaning up pages has not gone unnoticed. Keep up the great work; you're doing an amazing job. So, here's a little reward:

Thanks! Someone stole my sweetroll, so... :) Kroq-gar78 (talk) 06:48, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

&amp;apos
I've noticed that the wiki seems to actually be auto-converting apostrophes into &amp;apos. Likely attempting to remove them due to their use in source formatting.

Zelron Harbinger of the end times  23:34, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * So should I not remove them? Kroq-gar78 (talk) 23:36, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Well since, as I said, I believe the wiki is auto-converting, you are kind of wasting your time being that the wiki will just turn it back itself. But generally it is really just a harmless change that only affects source mode, so I would leave it be.

Zelron Harbinger of the end times  23:43, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Badges
Firstly you ought to know that "Admins" don't actually run the site. They are just users with special editing rights. They can't really do anything about it if you tell them that, "X feature of the site is broken".

Anyway, bad news Charlie, but that's a wikia-wide issue, not exclusive to this site. You'd what to take that up with Wikia if you feel it's that important.

Zelron Harbinger of the end times  00:57, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry! I'm not quite familiar with Wikia permissions, so thanks for the info. Also, it really stinks that it's wikia-wide :( Kroq-gar78 (talk) 01:52, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Stub placement
Hey Kroq-gar, just wanted to let you know that you should be placing the stub template at the bottom of the page, as per the policy on adding stubs to pages. Thanks. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  00:37, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

IRC
Hey Kroq

First, i wanted to say good work, you have no idea how bad we need more editors like you.

Second, i thought it was time you get invited to the IRC, its a good way to get to know the other editors and to keep and eye on the wikia when your online. Ill post a link to the standard IRC so you can join if you want. if not no problem.

http://webchat.xertion.org/?channels=TESWiki&uio=Nz10cnVlJjEyPXRydWUf1

Happy editing

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Mudcrab
Just letting you know that there is indeed a named mudcrab dubbed 'Old Salty' found within the DragonBorn DLC. I'd suggest for you to research matters before accusing someone of vandalism. (I don't know about his other edits, but this one was not vandalism.) GarouxBloodline


 * After taking a little initiative and going through his/her edits more in-depth, I can personally confirm that this user is not a vandal like you so blatantly accused them as being. Sure, the edits made weren't very good, and some of them were quite unnecessary/speculative. But they weren't vandalism, and they are even seen removing vandalism in a couple scenarios.


 * Oh, sorry. I seriously thought that was vandalism. I'll look around more next time. Kroq-gar78 (talk) 06:51, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re Clear
Hi.. don't think there is a difference but I moved something and removed the template to see another preview and then changed my mind and put it back again using "clear" before publish. I had deleted it so I didn't notice what was used before. :)

EbonySkyrim (talk) 20:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Online Pages
Hey - thanks for fixing the formatting on the references. (What's the difference between Reflist and References /> though? More importantly though - just so you know - the reason that I didn't put those in Appearances just yet was because they are not confirmed to be in the game. That book may not actually be in the game (although, it almost certainly will),... so i dont know if we can even put yet or not. For now though - go for it! If it turns out the book ISNT in the game, we can always remove the Mentioned Only template later on. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 21:42, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay. Just wanted to check that I wasnt doing anything majorly wrong lol. :) And as for stubs - yeah, i think so. They seem stub-like. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 21:52, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Pocket guides
The pocket guides don't appear in any of the games. They are shipped with special editions of the game.

Jimeee (talk) 12:35, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Pocket Guide
The reasoning behind it was that it didn't actually appear in-game :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 18:50, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Quest ID's
Yes it should. Well i added it into the MorrowindQuests template yesterday but it doesn't display. I don't know why, I though it didn't display it yet because it must update, but if it still doesn't display, something else is going on. I also added it to the BloodmoonQuests template, and it worked immediately. Did that exactly the same way as in the Morrowind template. Weird that it didn't display in the Morrowind template, but does in the Bloodmoon template. 16:08, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Why we reverted your edits
Greetings - We reverted your edits because the changes you made included mispellings, misuse of the header "references" (Used with a link to a book in the Elder Scrolls), and because Perth getting himself killed later is not truly an interaction with the Dragonborn, which is why we put it under "Trivia" along with the note about the cities' named perth. If you have any questions, feel free to contact us. Happy Holidays DarthOrc (talk) 03:27, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * That explains a lot. We were puzzled by what we saw because it didn't look like other edits of yours that we have seen. DarthOrc (talk) 04:38, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Fallout/Skyrim
Well, here's the way I look at it:


 * Saying that there is a direct connection is speculation if not confirmed by devs.


 * Simply saying that they are similar is irrelevant, as any and all trivia must directly relate to the article page in question, along with having a relevance to the game involved.


 * Neither of these are present. It would be okay to add the line as a quote, but aside from that, it doesn't have much to do with the character, nor does it have anything to do with Skyrim itself. GarouxBloodline
 * Of course. :) Always happy to explain my edits. Just let me know if you ever have any more questions. Happy editing! GarouxBloodline

Arvak's Skull
What's unconfirmed is that it is supposed to be removed. No one has ever claimed it was removed so no evidence stand to that it should be removed. If you are supposed to keep it it's not a bug that you do.

Zelron Harbinger of the end times  05:20, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Standing stones
I see your point about provinces, but I think it is still kinda relevant as the name is exactly the same. Also, I can see people adding it back if we remove them all, so lets just leave it for now.

Also, quick note, if you are adding dissambig hatnotes, can you place them below the infobox so they dont push the infobox down and leave a gap at the top?

Jimeee (talk) 19:02, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Cleansing Light locations
Hey Kroq. Well i thought about it for some time, looking at arguments for both options, including the one you gave, but i thought it would be better to leave the template there just so people know that the location was added by Dawnguard, even though they can travel there because both the quest and location are from Dawnguard. Its doesn't really matter if its there or not since both the quest and location are from Dawnguard, but looking at this argument, and they one you mentioned, i decided to just leave it there. But i don't mind if its gets deleted, since its not important. 17:54, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Project banners
Hey, I saw your message to Jimeee and I can say that Tomb said to me that the project banners are ok to be at the top and the stub template is supposes to be at the bottom. :) EbonySkyrim (talk) 10:40, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Patroller nomination
Hey Kroq-gar, you are up for a nomination for Patroller. Are you interested? If so, check out the duties and privileges, which I'm sure you are already familiar with. Let me know what you decide. Also, I will be on IRC for the remainder of the day (4 more hours) if you want to talk about it there. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  01:59, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Great! All that's left to do now is for me to post the nomination on the TES:Patrollers page and for people to vote. The voting lasts 7 days. If you have most of the communities support, then by the end of voting a Bureaucrat will change your user rights to Patroller.


 * Since you already do most of what is required of a Patroller I'm sure you won't have any trouble adjusting. You will have a new tool called "rollback" where you can instantly revert vandalism without it having to show up in the wiki activity feed. You'll also have the ability to rename improperly named images. Any other duties are posted on the Patroller page.


 * That's all, so good luck! :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  19:13, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Morrowind Project
As far as I can tell the project is dead and these isn't even a project page that outlines it. It just links to a category.

There is no clear outline that mentions when or why the banner should be added or removed, and as such it seems pointless to add it to pages. It only makes the page look worse than it already is.

Normally such banners should be at the top if the project is active, but I have no problems with hiding this banner at the bottom or removing it completely.

Jimeee (talk) 10:55, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm setting up a project to remove those project templates. Since we don't have an active bot to use to at the moment, we'll need all the help we can get to remove them, which is why I'm going to post about it in the CT board so anyone who sees it is aware that those templates are going away and that anyone can take part in the removal process. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  03:52, January 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll post here since it's kinda to both of you. You can use the "What links here" tool (it's under "My tools" at the bottom for me) to see what uses the template, so it'll be a easier to see pages need to be fixed. Kroq-gar78 (talk) 03:57, January 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I probably should have linked the templates to the "What links here" in my CT post. I'll have to edit that in. Not many people know about that tool which is why I just linked the category "Projects". — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:01, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Stubs in general
The Location Stubs can still be used, but after looking through a few pages that have the Location Stubs, most aren't stubs at all. The problem with adding stubs is the overuse of them, since sometimes people aren't sure what qualifies. If the page contains a significant amount of information on a location (or character in other stub cases) then the stubs can be removed. Not all locations or characters are ever going to have that much information to be added. You see a lot of this with Morrowind characters as there are many non-important NPCs and they usually just have basic stats and nothing more.

So, while the whole stubbing of pages is somewhat of a mess, it's best to just simplify it as much as possible, either adding Location Stubs or Stub to a location page (but not both), or rather than adding Morrowind: Stubs, Morrowind: Character Stubs, and Stubs to character pages; just choose one, I'd go with Morrowind: Character Stubs only. Stubs are always a messy topic. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  03:40, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Stubs
Hey,

I agree more could be done to keep games from being mushed up. While i dont think we need three or four of each template, having special ones would help us. I would ask Tomb and Flight since they have a larger background when it comes to templates and codes. Tomb will get back to you pretty fast. Flight im not sure about, i have only talked to Flight a few times, so im not sure about their speed on things.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:00, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Also, if you want to play around with making templates, im not really using my test template any more, so if you want you can work with it. Template:TestTemplate.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 05:04, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Patroller
Your name looks good in yellow :) Now get to work!

Jimeee (talk) 20:54, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats, if you ever need anything please feel free to ask.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:05, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Congrats on becoming patroller! I'm sure you're going to do great here. If you have any questions regarding certain tasks just ask an admin or patroller. You should also take a look here: Custodian usergroup. It's information regarding renaming files and marking new pages as patrolled. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  21:25, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me too :) EbonySkyrim (talk) 23:06, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, congrats from me too! Keep up the good work! 12:30, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Stub template testing
Hey Kroq-gar! Just looking through some of your notes for the stub template expansion on the Template:TestTemplate.

I'm aware that "Morrowind: Stub" is the only one that's not "Stubs" and I will have the bot change everything over to "Morrowind: Stubs" soon. I've managed to accomplish a lot of organization of the stubs in this short amount of time. I'm sure you noticed that most are already split off into game-specific hubs and types.

I noticed a few more sub-type categories are not named right, so, I'll have to change "Morrowind: Character Stubs" to "Morrowind: Character Stub", and so on as to match up with all the other game sub-type stubs. As you can see, these game sub-type categories are not listed in the plural, like the 'game: stubs'.

Also, the only thing that should be in the categories ie: Morrowind: Stubs should be the game sub-type stubs, ie: Morrowind: Character Stub, Morrowind: Location Stub, Morrowind: Weapon Stub, etc. So, in order to use the template more effectively the stub parameters would have to be something like, so that would show up as: Morrowind: Character Stub on a page; which I know is something you had already suggested. Just wanted to be clear that pages should really only have one stub, with the exception of the template for section stubs.

Hope I'm not being too confusing, because I'm already confusing myself reading over this. Lol — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  02:11, January 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, something that defines that the stub is specifically a character stub would be great. I also think that the stub template could use a bit of a slimming down, because it's kind of bulky the way it looks now. So, yeah, just do whatever experiments you have in mind right now. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  02:44, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reporting a User
This guy/girl has been vandalizing pages 67.241.13.185, shockstrom told him to stop but he did it again and deleted a whole section, just wanted to let you know.DeirdreKent101 (talk) 02:39, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry my bad it was the wrong ip, but still he blanked pages dont worry i fixed itDeirdreKent101 (talk) 02:43, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Your change to our edit on Steel War Axe (Oblivion)
Greetings - Where exactly is it written in the guidelines not to make the change we did? (Removing the game from the page.) DarthOrc (talk) 04:58, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * We see your point but don't agree with your conclusion. The use of instead of  doesn't remove the game, it just makes the page look less clunky, just like using Fighters Guild instead of Fighters Guild (Oblivion) does. (We weren't clear in our original message, we meant removing the "Elder Scrolls xx" part. :-) DarthOrc (talk) 05:39, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Chat
Hi Kroq, first time I tried the chat and I had a problem with the code to verify. That's why I couldn't reply, I had to close it and then I did manage to enter the chat... but it's so late here I have to sleep now. yawn!

EbonySkyrim (talk) 00:45, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Daggerfall Spells template
Hey Kroq-gar! I saw your comment earlier about needing a Daggerfall Spells template. I'm not sure if Daggerfall spells differ from the stats table that Morrowind uses, but I made the template for Template:DaggerfallSpells with the MorrowindSpells template. If anything is different, the template can always be altered later. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:34, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Template:ArenaSpells done too! :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:52, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Appearances
Yes, that's right as it's not really useful. No quests repeat across games.

Jimeee (talk) 20:54, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Bloodmoon Stubs
Yes, you can create the other stub categories that are needed for Bloodmoon. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  22:07, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re spelling
Hi Kroq, I know we are to use american spelling but I was explaining to them that I and we outside of the US don't know if we have spelled correctly all the time. They wrote "US spelling please" and it's not the first time. If we get it wrong, please don't say things like that, we don't learn american spelling in school, have patience with us. American spelling does not come natural for me and must I check all the time if I have got it right? That is timeconsuming for me. Don't you think? :) EbonySkyrim (talk) 20:14, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re: ArenaWeapons
Yes, you can create the ArenaWeapons template if you want. You are free to create any missing templates if you know how to do it. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  01:00, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: SkyrimLocations finished
Awesome! I made the changes to the SkyrimLocations template. When you have time (or I can do it later) can you double check the location pages and make sure that they don't use links in the type box? Because if they do the icon won't show up in the title box. Also, some of the pages that I had changed before by inserting the icon in the name field will have to be removed, as it shows up as double icons in the title box otherwise. Thanks for creating those switches! — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  20:34, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hey
Hi Kroq :) I added a book template to the article and when I do I add just a number in each "space" so when in source mode it's easier to add what you need. I forgot to remove the 1 and saw that after I was done. So I added the missing template.. EbonySkyrim (talk) 23:21, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Phasing out templates?
Hmm, after looking at the Standing Stone template, I think we should probably make an exception for the Standing Stones as it adds the extra data field for the Constellation image. Even though, yes, we are phasing out specific types, I would gear that more towards locations such as caves, mines, tombs, camps, settlements, landmarks, etc... — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  02:32, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Standing Stones
Hi :) I've seen your changes on The Apprentice Stone (Skyrim) article and I have some doubts.

First, I'm not sure where For template should be placed. I was putting it below infobox templates according to the message about Standing Stones Jimeee left on this talk page but are moved up by editors.

Second I don't know if Name field should be filled in SkyrimGuardianStones templates because if it is, an icon of a stone isn't showing up on the top of the infobox.

I ask because I don't know general plan for location templates. I want to standardize all Standing Stones articles and I want to do it in a correct way :)

Little flying red balloon (talk) 17:20, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup
On the Hearthfire page, carriage is misspelled as carrige in the 2nd paragraph. I hate that I can't just do small little edits like this by myself, but it needs to be fixed by someone that can. Cpt. Nemo (talk) 22:52, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Links
Thanks for fixing my grammer on the "chain Lightning" page I am having trouble placing the Xbox icon and using links. Would you know which article addresses this? Kunigonde (talk) 03:34, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Tone of walkthroughs
It should be in 3rd person tone, but "The Dragonborn" doesn't need to be mentioned on every sentence. We know the Dragonborn is the person that's being referred to when writing a walkthrough. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  01:34, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Haskill ID
You're totally right. It should be xx since its a dlc item. My mistake, i was a bit tired yesterday ^^ 11:55, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Journals
It's a good idea, so go for it, but it's a giant task. Unfortunately it's likely most people wont adding journals themselves. The ones that are present on pages now were added by the regulars here and these days it's very quiet, so I wouldn't hold my breath. Jimeee (talk) 23:05, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Image templates
Hey Kroq, thanks... :) Oh, and soon time for an archive ;) EbonySkyrim (talk) 10:34, April 9, 2013 (UTC)