Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-1600847-20161103125247/@comment-26893431-20161108210853

S&#039;Dalaar the Snowcat wrote: The Nords have no specific rule of what arsenal you may use in duels. Blades, axes, bows, magic all are allowed. Even shouting. So how is him shouting breaking the Nord traditions? I doubt you have a valid answer for that.

Ulfric inspired the other Jarls to rebel, but did not force them. People like Skald and Laila supports his beliefs willingly. Not to mention his entire Stormcloak army of former soldiers and civilians who volunteered to fight for him. You are giving Ulfric way too much credit. He sparked the fire, but it grew on its own.

Proof? How do you know this? Of everything Ulfric has revealed of his visions, he has never ever mentioned any plans of oppressing any non-Nords. The only hints of any racism from Ulfric comes from the Dunmer and Argonaians, who are obviously biased against him. And there are theories in that book that indicate that the Dunmer took advantage of the hospitality of the Nords until Ulfric put a stop to it. So of course the Dunmer hate Ulfric, because he took their benefits away and made them work to earn their own keep. Seems to me you listen to one side only and shut your ears from the other. Not surprising...

Also, so you mean that the Nords of Windhelm are just as mindless as zombies? And that Laila will magically turn

You are right on that, except for one thing; Tamriel does not equal planet Earth. For future reference, I suggest you don't compare real life to the Elder Scrolls franchise. They are far too different from each other. I can only speak from my experience in the game and from what I see, the government in each Hold are not responsible for maintenance of property. That is up to the individual owner.

A single Argonian says its Ulfric's decree. The book says that it has existed since Hoag Mer-Killer in the first era, long before when Ulfric was even born. The game has given us conflicting information where the player will decide what is right. You are free to believe what you wish. But remember, it is your own beliefs, not facts.

The only one who use the word "have to" is Ambarys. And he is incredibly biased and racist to the Nords. Its funny how despise racism but will only listen to the words of a racist and not to the less biased Dunmer(like Belyn Hlaalu and Faryl Atheron), who will admit that the situation isnt as bad as it looks. Also, as Niranye says: ''"The dark elves are too proud and naive to understand the way things truly are, and so they continue to dwell in that slum." Seems to me it is more their choice to stay in the slum rather than associating with the Nords.''

Hating a culture could also be racism. Because the Nords think a different way than an Imperial, he doesn't like them for it. Lol what I did there with quoting Tullius was proving how retarded your point was when you quoted Ulfric the same way. I guess you couldn't see the irony when I did that. Also, rebellion does not equal barbarism. Hope you know that.

The Stormcloak's are equal in size to Tullius' Legion. It is evident in that all Imperial cities and forts a replaced with the same amount of Stormcloaks when they take over. If the Stormcloaks cant defend their holds, neither can the Imperials with the same amount of soldiers. Tullius cannot request reinforcement due to: "Most of the Legion is tied down at the border of the Aldmeri Dominion. The Emperor cannot afford risk weakening Cyrodiil's defenses." - Tullius. Meaning if the Legion falls or withdraws from Skyrim, it will become helpless.

Tullius only cares about the war, drains their Holds of resources while leaving them to fend for themselves, as heard here: ''"We lost another five guardsmen, my Jarl. If General Tullius continues to conscript our men and send them off to battle, we'll have none left to protect the city." - ''Bolgeir

Unless you have concrete evidence that shows that Ulfric plans on force-recruiting soldiers, I am not going to buy your argument. I prefer facts over biased opinions.

And yes, I do know what an asset is. An asset is a useful or valuable thing or person. Anything that could serve someone else a purpose becomes an asset. Doesn't have to be an ally. It could even be your worst enemy as long as he benefits you. In the dossier it says that he is uncooperative, so I would say Ulfric holds no love for the Thalmor. Contact being established refers to the Thalmor has created a link between them and Ulfric, most likely through espionage, infitration and intelligence collecting. There is no evidence of Ulfric having a direct association to the Thalmor, which is highly unlikely. Why would he work for the same people who tortured him in captivity? See, unlike you, I do have a definition of what an asset is.

Nepos only confirmed that Ulfric retook the city from the Reachmen and killed all soldiers who didn't surrender. Which aren't atrocities, it is part of war. The Silver-Bloods may have thrown Braig in prison, but it was the Imperial Jarl, not being in the Silver-Bloods pockets, who ordered the death of his innocent daughter. Dont try to deny it.

Um, no. The fate he referred to is of the End Times; the world being devoured by Alduin, as was written in prophecy. I think most people understood that. Then again, most people have a functioning brain too. If everything was allowed the Nords wouldn't see it as murder. Also, Way of the Voice.

How does this even add-up to my point? I was talking about the bloody Moot.

You seem to be a little too trigger-happy to read about Ulfric abusing the people of Windhelm. They didn't get any 'benefits' aside from being allowed to live like normal citizens, but your racism is blocking you from seeing the truth. The guards don't help the Dunmer, they are forced to live in a slum and the Argonians are forced to live at the docks, nothing contradicts it. And many people seek a scapegoat in a time of crisis, this is a normal thing. And usually, it's the minority groups. I dislike puting Hitler as an example, but take him as an example. Germany was poor and weak, who did Hitler blame? The Jews, even some of the most intelligent Germans followed him, why? Because they want something to blame in Skyrim's case, that's the Dunmer and Argonians.

Of course it isn't, the people pay tax which is in turn used to maintain buildings. This is how taxes work. The book doesn't say that at all, it doesn't even mention Hoag Merkiller. Also, who says 'new home' refers to the Argonian Assemblage? They can't be immigrants? Because an Altmer clearly knows the situation of the Dunmer right? What's next, white slavers knowing what black slaves go through? Neither of them say the situation isn't as bad as it looks, and I gave 3 bloody quotes proving they have to live there.

A culture isn't a race, therefor, not racist. He dislikes it because it hinders the war. Not to forget, it's not irony. Ulfric doesn't back the Moot, Tullius does, Ulfric keeps the moot from meeting, Tullius doesn't.

That's only because of game mechanics. Using that as an argument is hilarious. There's an army assembling at Pale Pass, Tullius doesn't get the reinforcements he asked for, but he still gets them.

Tullius is the millitary governor of Skyrim, he has the right to conscript in the Holds that back the Empire.

How else will Skyrim 'grow mighty and powerful'? Also, you prefer facts over biased opinions? Irony itself right there.

'Direct contact remains a possibility.' -Thalmor Dossier: Ulfric Stormcloak. They had direct contact, direct contact = directly communicating, not spies or anything. Also, yes, Ulfric is an asset, a great asset to the Thalmor team. A better processor is a great asset to a computer, and it's also part of it, like Ulfric was.

'We drove the Nords out of the Reach in a great uprising. Then Ulfric and his men came. Those of us who didn't run were executed, except for myself, my king, and a handful of others.' -Nepos the Nose

Remember that 'we' refers to Reachmen, which Ulfric killed, atrocities. The Silver-Bloods have bribed the guards in Markarth, this is common sense and a fact. Never done that quest the moment you got into Markarth?

No he doesn't. The End Times won't come during Ulfric's time, this is the most stupid assumption I've ever heard. Alduin returned because of Ulfric. Ulfric states that the 'sons of Skyrim' aka, Stormcloaks, died in a doomed struggle against fate, aka, a doomed struggle against a certain defeat.