User blog comment:Harold Burned-Mane/The Truth about Ulfric Stormcloak/@comment-5700881-20131108114507/@comment-5700881-20131120103059

I'm acknowledging that fact, not denying it, and what you're ignoring is the way he worded it, it heavily implies that enforcement on the worship of Talos was very lax prior to Ulfric making a big deal of it, maybe it was going on prior to his actions, but no one ever makes a mention of it IIRC, but his fuss over it didn't help anyone except the Thalmor naturally. One possible reason I see them not doing it is to weaken the Empire by manipulating events into starting the war, if you're lax about it at first, the higher the chance an offer like the one Igmund's father gave to Ulfric will pop up, when said person does what he was given, you step in and intimidate the Empire into arresting him, causing an even larger amount of tension that will eventually result in the war that's going on right now, weakening both sides.

Yeah, I don't see the honor case as something to care about, honor varies so wildly between cultures I just say fuck it, and instead let's all just try to agree on basic ethics. If his code of honor means fighting a duel with a weapon his opponent had no defense against and is implied to have not expected is alright, then fuck that particular one especially.

That side of Toryyg is debatable, he could have simply did what he thought was in Skyrim's best interests, it's not cut and dried what he really felt about the matter, but current testimony implies he was doing what he thought was best, with no testimony otherwise. And what proof is there that he was the Empire's "lap-dog"? And wouldn't listen to reason?

That doesn't change the fact Ulfric could have went up to him and brought his case why Skyrim needed to withdraw from the Empire, avoiding a war that only benefits the big bad, Toryyg could have simply been looking at it from one angle without considering others, But Ulfric didn't do that, he killed him, igniting a powder keg that current evidence strongly implies was mostly his creation in first place, this only shows to me Ulfric knows what he's doing and is doing this for self-interests, and even if he isn't, I don't think the damage that he had a major hand in causing shouldn't be forgiven so easily, and why would I want a guy like this in charge politically? Militarily maybe, but giving him political clout when he quite clearly doesn't have the capacity for it, or purposefully does it for his own interests? No thanks

That sounds to me more like people praising gods just because something happened, then any real evidence that it's their doing, and more than likely has something to do with the individual's own work. And I would prefer them doing something about really bad crap going on under their own initiative, and when they do do something about it not being dicks about it. Remember the Oblivion incident? The barriers were all but gone and Daedra were basically roaming free, massive Nirn-native casulties, and MEHRUNES FUCKING DAGON himself was walking around like it was his plane of Oblivion, where were the Divines? No where, the only time they did something was because of Martin, who shattered the Amulet of Kings to get lazy Akatosh to do something about it, and save countless people, and how does Akatosh reward this selfless behavior? Turns Martin into stone and presumably killing him. And what about Alduin? Who had the potential to destroy the world? Yet again, the Divines are no where to be seen. And even if what they do passively is really their doing, then what does Talos do? I don't recall him doing anything.

I will give credit and appreciation to the original Eight for creating the world, but obviously not for Talos, as he didn't do anything, but that's as far as I'll go, they haven't done anything major under their own initiative since, and often punish those who do. Everyone in the Elder Scrolls would do well if they just moved forward with the gods in the dust, and follow Andrew Ryan's mantra "No gods, no kings, only man".

The Reachmen are the original inhabitants of the Reach, it even says on the loading screen, with no contrary evidence, and Bretons and Nords are the descendants of the Nedes, they share a common ancestor, all of the races of men excluding Redguards are descended from the Nedes. The Bretons are a Nede-Mer mix, but have been separated from the Nords for so long that they are basically their own species now.