The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 July 11

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 * 00:01:19: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, its time for the moot. For those who have not hear (Queen) we have no presenters.  So we will wing this and will talk about some of the wiki's projects and how feel they are doing and what we can do to improve them
 * 00:01:35: Cheatcodechamp: Any questions before we begin?
 * 00:01:55: QueenFinelia: no
 * 00:02:00: RenzXVI: I have no idea what to ask... :p
 * 00:02:01: ゆ: how much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
 * 00:02:13: JurassicGirl: None from me
 * 00:02:19: Cheatcodechamp: seven found, eight if he worships Talos
 * 00:02:23: Cheatcodechamp: *pounds
 * 00:02:28: ゆ: (y)
 * 00:02:49: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, then lets discuss, first, our inter wiki project
 * 00:03:38: Cheatcodechamp: Last week, I put forth a plan to get wikis to work together by helping wikis that focus on more then one area, like answer wikis or the hero/villian wikis
 * 00:04:13: ゆ: Is this the thing with the Aliens Wiki?
 * 00:04:15: Cheatcodechamp: Since then, we have helped Aliens wiki ,and answers wiki. Two other wikis are helping answer answers on wiki answers as well.
 * 00:04:21: ゆ: that answers that
 * 00:04:25: Cheatcodechamp: Yes, and wiki answes
 * 00:04:48: Cheatcodechamp: So, I myself think it is going well. The question is how do we all feel, and how can we better this project
 * 00:05:14: JurassicGirl: I think its a wonderful idea.
 * 00:05:18: RenzXVI: The answers wiki have no regular editors?
 * 00:05:26: Cheatcodechamp: A few, but not many
 * 00:05:32: ゆ: How did the issues with UESP getting involved with Aliens Wiki go?
 * 00:05:45: Cheatcodechamp: last count they have 900,000 questions and less then a thirst are answered
 * 00:06:02: Cheatcodechamp: 14 articles on aliens still have UESP content
 * 00:06:13: ゆ: Not that bad then
 * 00:06:18: ゆ: In comparison
 * 00:06:37: ゆ: I'm happy with how the project is going, then
 * 00:06:39: RenzXVI: That's a lot...
 * 00:06:50: ゆ: There were many more than that before
 * 00:06:54: Cheatcodechamp: most elder scroll questions have been answered, but there are still some we can work on
 * 00:06:55: Cheatcodechamp: http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AThe_Elder_Scrolls_series
 * 00:06:59: RenzXVI: The alien one is looking good.
 * 00:07:27: Cheatcodechamp: We have removed all UESP images, and replaced them with our own. however, the articles left are the larger ones
 * 00:07:37: RenzXVI: I tried to answer the Skyrim ones that I could answer but I am too limited to only Skyrim and I barely even finished Skyrim. XD
 * 00:08:03: JurassicGirl: Wait, they took content from UESP? Why didnt they come here first?
 * 00:08:13: Cheatcodechamp: I think we can get these done within a week if a few of us step up and rewrite. refrences are not needed as much, and they dont need to be as large as ours
 * 00:08:47: Cheatcodechamp: UESP is older, so a lot of people know of them. We have also had problems in the past relating to content, unsourced claims and all that
 * 00:09:28: QueenFinelia: yes this wiki used to be shit
 * 00:09:41: RenzXVI: :p
 * 00:09:45: Cheatcodechamp: I wouldnt put it that way...but yes, we kind of sucked
 * 00:09:48: QueenFinelia: atleast what I've read xD didn't find this place until a few months ago
 * 00:10:18: JurassicGirl: Wow. I went there once and was not happy with thinga plus they are rude but didnt think they were that rude.
 * 00:11:15: Cheatcodechamp: UESP almost hurt the aliens deal, they showed up during my talk with their admin
 * 00:11:18: RenzXVI: IMO it's pretty weird to have a goal of sharing information and helping people yet when another site has content similar to your site, you claim copyright asap and make a fuss about it. XD
 * 00:12:29: Cheatcodechamp: Articles should be written out, its kind of lazy to copy and paste
 * 00:12:46: Cheatcodechamp: you end up with flame wars with UESP
 * 00:13:23: Cheatcodechamp: So, we are in agreement that the project is a good idea. Any ideas on improving it or getting other wikis involved?
 * 00:13:41: RenzXVI: It's a good idea.
 * 00:13:49: ゆ: I'm fine with the wikis we have involved now
 * 00:14:09: ゆ: I think it's a good idea
 * 00:14:22: Cheatcodechamp: We not only need "core wikis" like ours, we need host wikis that need help who will agree to outsiders editing. Do any of you know of wikis who should be brought into this
 * 00:14:44: RenzXVI: I don't :(
 * 00:14:51: Cheatcodechamp: Fallout answers and Phineas and Ferb wikis have joined in helping answers wiki
 * 00:15:18: Cheatcodechamp: I have contacted three others, but no response
 * 00:16:03: JurassicGirl: What does the main communuty wikia think about this?
 * 00:16:46: Cheatcodechamp: I have not spoken to them, I have friends who I may ask, but I have not brought this to central. They tend to stay out of wiki projects unless they get large or trouble some
 * 00:17:15: RenzXVI: Answers wiki seems to connect all these wiki's that would agree to help... Maybe it's good to have an FB page for answers wiki and each of the wikias involved can share content from that which would end up promoting each other since it's all done from the same page.
 * 00:17:19: KINMUNE: Hello there, Atvelonis!
 * 00:17:21: Atvelonis: I'm here
 * 00:17:29: Atvelonis: Sorry for lateness, was away
 * 00:17:39: Atvelonis: Mountains are fun to climb but not for internet
 * 00:17:50: RenzXVI: XD
 * 00:18:07: Cheatcodechamp: I will speak to them, they may have trouble getting likes, Answerswiki is not seen as a place to go get a reply, a lot of competition in that field.
 * 00:18:26: Cheatcodechamp: We are going over ideas for the interwiki project
 * 00:19:36: Atvelonis: Oh yes, that project
 * 00:19:42: Cheatcodechamp: I do think that since our wiki is "starting" this project, we should make it a goal to make sure elder scrolls content is the best it can be
 * 00:20:14: Atvelonis: That's a good idea. Although we shouldn't neglect other wikis.
 * 00:20:20: Atvelonis: We need everyone's support in this
 * 00:20:26: Cheatcodechamp: If we each step up and do a part of the work that is left, we could focus our energy on recruitment and maintenance of the project
 * 00:20:41: RenzXVI: Just seemed like a good idea to have an FB page that connects different wikis together. :p A joint effort would end up in more posts from that page per day and more people would see. Something like that.
 * 00:20:49: JurassicGirl: Oh yes. Though our content will be at its best anyways.
 * 00:20:57: Cheatcodechamp: As I said before you showed up, other wikis have agreed to help, the trick is getting the community's involved.
 * 00:21:20: Cheatcodechamp: I like the idea Renz, I will speak to their admins about it
 * 00:21:40: Atvelonis: So like a "Wikia community" page or something like that?
 * 00:21:44: Atvelonis: A group perhaps?
 * 00:21:49: ゆ: I can't really offer any support at the moment, with the wikis I admin or with this one, I'm too busy.
 * 00:22:07: Cheatcodechamp: Also, should we talk about wikianswers becoming Affiliates of The Elder Scrolls Wiki?
 * 00:22:28: Atvelonis: Anyone involved in this should be an affiliate
 * 00:22:31: Atvelonis: So yes
 * 00:22:35: Cheatcodechamp: What wikis are you admin on?
 * 00:23:07: ゆ: A few small ones, Platinum Games Wiki is the main one, notreally TES related so not anything useful in that regard.
 * 00:23:17: ゆ: *not really
 * 00:23:38: Cheatcodechamp: We should look into if we can get them involved somehow. We can do that later if you wish.
 * 00:24:02: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, before we change subjects, anything else we should look at for this project?
 * 00:24:14: ゆ: I already sort of had an inter-wiki system in it, now that I think about it, it's all deeply connected with each Platinum Games game.
 * 00:24:24: JurassicGirl: Atleast get thwm involved with Answers wikia
 * 00:24:34: RenzXVI: Can't think of anything else
 * 00:25:17: Cheatcodechamp: OK, G0
 * 00:25:19: Atvelonis: Does anyone know from where this anon is getting this list of creatures in Legends? Creatures (Legends)
 * 00:25:26: Cheatcodechamp: G0Ld wanted me to talk about something else
 * 00:25:51: Cheatcodechamp: Not sure, dont we have a speculations template?
 * 00:26:02: RenzXVI: I sometimes wish we can have banners when we post... Could have a banner for the answers wiki or something like that. I see lots of forums that allow people banners.
 * 00:26:19: RenzXVI: In their signatures
 * 00:26:36: Cheatcodechamp: Anyway, G0LD wants us to talk about hosting Moots in the IRC
 * 00:26:40: JurassicGirl: Some of those creatures arw fromEragon.
 * 00:26:55: Atvelonis: Ooh, weird
 * 00:26:57: Cheatcodechamp: Renz, message me more info about that later.
 * 00:26:59: Atvelonis: I'll talk to the guy
 * 00:27:06: RenzXVI: Ok.
 * 00:27:19: ゆ: I'm against it, simply because I like using the Wikia chat more, just preference.
 * 00:27:21: Atvelonis: @CCC: Perhaps, problem with that is people are unfamiliar with it
 * 00:27:31: Atvelonis: Might be harder to get new members to come
 * 00:27:50: Cheatcodechamp: G0LD maintans that the IRC is the best place to hold these meetings. We would also have features not possible here, like muteing people and a vote tally
 * 00:28:02: QueenFinelia: true but it's not like there are any people here now
 * 00:28:02: Cheatcodechamp: @AtveI know, but G0LD asked me to bring it up
 * 00:28:32: Atvelonis: We have kicking and (y) and (n) here
 * 00:28:37: Cheatcodechamp: And it seems we all agree, even if it is better, its not as easy to acsess, and we want newer editors involved as well
 * 00:29:18: QueenFinelia: yeah
 * 00:29:30: Cheatcodechamp: So we all feel the same, at least at this time?
 * 00:29:38: JurassicGirl: IRC is hard to get into on a Nook.
 * 00:29:42: RenzXVI: I think we would only need IRC as a second option IF this chatroom had too many people in it for a meeting. Like anons
 * 00:29:57: Cheatcodechamp: I dont think anons can enter here
 * 00:30:06: RenzXVI: I mean newbies. :p
 * 00:30:09: QueenFinelia: on the other hand tho this thing is quit long sometimes and you can have a client on the irc chat which would help because atleast my internet is a bitch sometimes
 * 00:30:11: Cheatcodechamp: Ah
 * 00:30:13: RenzXVI: THat cant really participate but just talk
 * 00:30:49: Cheatcodechamp: So, should we list the IRC as a backup in case of emergency or errors?
 * 00:30:59: ゆ: Yeah
 * 00:31:06: QueenFinelia: definately
 * 00:31:09: RenzXVI: Yeah... We might need that sometime in case this chat is too full.
 * 00:31:24: QueenFinelia: like that'll ever happen xD
 * 00:31:25: RenzXVI: We always have good timing with the moot, we never have any newbies during moots. :p
 * 00:31:39: RenzXVI: Probably just coincidence I guess.
 * 00:31:52: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, let the records show that in case of problems or full chat, we will attempt to move to the IRC
 * 00:32:04: RenzXVI: (y)
 * 00:32:18: Cheatcodechamp: Next subject. Guilds
 * 00:32:46: Cheatcodechamp: The Project:Guilds was set up to help area's of the wiki by setting up teams
 * 00:33:24: Cheatcodechamp: However, while I love this project, we have not put into place any of the ideas to get the guilds moving, like that contest Jarjar mentioned
 * 00:33:53: Cheatcodechamp: I also worry about member numbers and activity. So I want to know the communitys thoughts on the guilds
 * 00:34:35: ゆ: They seem to be working fine
 * 00:34:43: JurassicGirl: Maybe give them a trial run.
 * 00:35:11: JurassicGirl: Oh. They already athing?
 * 00:35:16: Atvelonis: Sorta, yeah
 * 00:35:18: Atvelonis: For the most part
 * 00:35:25: Atvelonis: Not the Arena guild but the others ones yes
 * 00:35:42: Atvelonis: What we really need is more members
 * 00:35:53: ゆ: It's up to the guild leader and the guild's members to set thingsup among themselves, I think the guild leaders are lacking the confidence to take initiative.
 * 00:36:07: Atvelonis: In my case I am just busy
 * 00:36:14: Atvelonis: But yes, that's a point
 * 00:36:29: Cheatcodechamp: It was made clear admins wont interfer right? The guilds are in charge of the guilds unless things get out of hand.
 * 00:36:39: ゆ: I wasn't so much thinking of you, but with a few of the others, it's possibly an issue.
 * 00:37:16: ゆ: I look at http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Team_Daggerfall and they haven't really done anything
 * 00:37:18: JurassicGirl: What are the other guilds.
 * 00:37:34: Cheatcodechamp: Each game has its own guild, and we have a lore guild
 * 00:37:38: Atvelonis: Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO, and the other spin offs
 * 00:37:39: Atvelonis: Yes and lore
 * 00:37:45: Cheatcodechamp: Arena is the only inactive guild right now
 * 00:38:18: Cheatcodechamp: Should we just disband that guild? It has not activity?
 * 00:38:27: JurassicGirl: I only have knowledge of Skyeim. Non eof thw others.
 * 00:38:33: Cheatcodechamp: forget that last question mak
 * 00:38:36: QueenFinelia: same
 * 00:38:38: Cheatcodechamp: *mark
 * 00:38:57: QueenFinelia: and Skyrim is pretty much done so I don't see the point of joining
 * 00:39:01: Atvelonis: @JurassicGirl: You can help out with Skyrim content then
 * 00:39:03: Atvelonis: Eh
 * 00:39:11: ゆ: Keep it there, so people are aware that it needs to be taken under control by a new user, and Daggerfall should be moved to inactive.
 * 00:39:12: Atvelonis: It's missing dialogue and a couple of quest journals
 * 00:39:34: Cheatcodechamp: So any ideas how to help the guilds get and stay active?
 * 00:39:37: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 00:39:52: Atvelonis: Recruit people from other sites?
 * 00:39:58: Cheatcodechamp: Risky move
 * 00:40:03: ゆ: It's more of an issue of how to get editors in general to get and stay active.
 * 00:40:25: Atvelonis: MW guild is doing well, lore is doing well, the others meh
 * 00:40:34: Cheatcodechamp: Asking for help is one thing, getting people to join projects on this kind of level is more frowned on then interwiki wide projects
 * 00:40:48: JurassicGirl: I can help out as best I can when I can.
 * 00:40:58: Cheatcodechamp: Thats all we ask for
 * 00:41:05: Atvelonis: @JG: Literally anything you can do is a tremendous help
 * 00:41:11: Atvelonis: Anything
 * 00:41:23: Atvelonis: It can be fixing typos, adding a location of a book or something, or whatever else
 * 00:41:41: Cheatcodechamp: Ill message the guild leaders, and see if there is anything we can do to boost them some
 * 00:41:54: Atvelonis: @CCC: We should stress the importance of the guilds more
 * 00:42:00: JurassicGirl: I just started Skyrim and just got the DLCs so, i may find something others havenmissed.
 * 00:42:08: Atvelonis: I added a link to them in the navbar but it's not enough
 * 00:42:24: Atvelonis: @JG: Good, I look forward to seeing you edit more
 * 00:42:27: Cheatcodechamp: Stress them how?
 * 00:42:42: Atvelonis: Add links to them in more places and talk about them more
 * 00:42:57: Atvelonis: Give something to guild members as well
 * 00:42:58: ゆ: Put them in a tab on the front page
 * 00:43:12: ゆ: Make Guild of the Month
 * 00:43:27: Atvelonis: Not an editing advantage or anything, but just something to boost motivation
 * 00:43:28: Cheatcodechamp: Jarjar had that idea, we keep putting it off for some reason
 * 00:43:43: Atvelonis: @UAM: We can work on that
 * 00:44:13: Atvelonis: I'll add something now
 * 00:44:18: Atvelonis: Just links to the guilds for the time being
 * 00:44:39: Cheatcodechamp: Another issue, I think is related to this, is editor retention. Ever since we lost the old admins, I feel we have lost a lot of people, and have gained few.  This stunts any project or goal we set in place.
 * 00:45:15: Cheatcodechamp: Those we gained are great, dont get me wrong, but editor number wise we are short of what we where for awhile.
 * 00:45:36: Atvelonis: Hmm
 * 00:45:55: Cheatcodechamp: Do any of us have any ideas on gaining and retaining new members of the community.
 * 00:46:13: Atvelonis: ESO? Like, actually talk to people in-game about joining the wiki?
 * 00:46:19: Atvelonis: Dunno if that's allowe
 * 00:46:21: Atvelonis: *allowed
 * 00:46:28: ゆ: Maybe we need an overhaul of the wiki, make it fresh and new. Remake the front page somehow, make a new skin, something along those lines.
 * 00:46:29: RenzXVI: I also notice that... Not that I've been here before or anything, just by how many people resigned and doesn't seem like they've been replaced..
 * 00:46:40: Atvelonis: Nah, I like the formatting
 * 00:46:43: Cheatcodechamp: FB has helped some to get out name out, but we are having toruble geting large enough to get the name out more
 * 00:46:44: Atvelonis: I think that would just confuse people
 * 00:46:59: Atvelonis: We have 700 followers on FB, it'll grow in time CCC
 * 00:47:12: ゆ: Does TESWiki have a Twitter?
 * 00:47:31: Cheatcodechamp: If it does its not doing very well, seeing none of us follow it
 * 00:48:00: Cheatcodechamp: And the admins here are the admins of the FB page, I dont think we have the time to run a twitter as well
 * 00:48:06: RenzXVI: I don't do twitter. :p
 * 00:48:08: Atvelonis: News team?
 * 00:48:13: Atvelonis: Rim might be up for it
 * 00:48:20: JurassicGirl: Humm. Make that 701 as soon as we are dosne here. I will us emy FB to spread the word.
 * 00:48:39: Cheatcodechamp: the one guy is inactive, and Jarjar is busy
 * 00:48:54: Cheatcodechamp: Thanks Jurassic
 * 00:49:25: Cheatcodechamp: I am going to push this link at all of you again:https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Elder-Scrolls-Wiki/182650958515920?ref=aymt_homepage_panel
 * 00:49:34: Atvelonis: We need a nickname for that still
 * 00:49:43: Atvelonis: So we can just type in teswiki or something
 * 00:50:00: Cheatcodechamp: I do feel out incresed activity will draw more people, Renz said he has seen a lot of guest in here this week, so thats good.
 * 00:50:22: Atvelonis: About the FB page itself: I can set up a shortcut link to the page, but what should the shortcut be?
 * 00:50:34: Cheatcodechamp: TESFB?
 * 00:50:37: RenzXVI: Yeah... There's always a new face almost every several hours
 * 00:50:47: Atvelonis: It would be what you type in the address bar
 * 00:51:01: Atvelonis: So TheElderScrollsWiki or The.Elder.Scrolls.Wiki or something
 * 00:51:07: JurassicGirl: TESFB
 * 00:51:21: ゆ: We could contact Wikia themselves about getting us out there in the spotlight, they will look out for their big wikis if they're going inactive.
 * 00:51:24: Cheatcodechamp: Sure, I trust you to handle that in the best way possible
 * 00:51:27: JurassicGirl: Herpaderp. We ar ethinking alike CCC?
 * 00:51:28: RenzXVI: I don't think it would allow something long so TESWIKIFB
 * 00:52:12: Cheatcodechamp: Ill talk to central then, they do have some system of rules we have to work with first
 * 00:52:25: Atvelonis: You know, facebook.com/TESWikiFB
 * 00:52:28: Atvelonis: Or something
 * 00:52:35: RenzXVI: I like that one
 * 00:52:40: Atvelonis: Something easy to remember ideally like that
 * 00:52:54: Atvelonis: Buuuuut, I can only change it once
 * 00:52:59: JurassicGirl: I like that one.
 * 00:53:01: Atvelonis: So if we use this we have to stick with it
 * 00:53:09: RenzXVI: Looks good
 * 00:54:01: Cheatcodechamp: I am down with whatever
 * 00:55:35: Cheatcodechamp: So any other thoughts or ideas about the wiki and her projects?
 * 00:56:05: RenzXVI: Can't think of any more stuff. :p
 * 00:56:22: Cheatcodechamp: Welcome back :D
 * 00:56:27: RenzXVI: You wanted me to remind you of the banners?
 * 00:56:30: RenzXVI: I think
 * 00:56:34: ゆ: Does anyone know what happened to the TESWiki App chat?
 * 00:57:03: Atvelonis: Ooh, that
 * 00:57:08: Atvelonis: Did Flight take care of it?
 * 00:57:13: ゆ: Not sure
 * 00:57:23: Atvelonis: I want that gone or moderated asap, we'd better ask him
 * 00:57:34: ゆ: I don't have access to the app right now
 * 00:58:05: JurassicGirl: chat app?
 * 00:58:25: Atvelonis: It's a bootleg version of this chat on the android teswiki app
 * 00:58:26: Cheatcodechamp: Isnt that the one with all the problems that should result in bans?
 * 00:58:30: Atvelonis: Yes CCC
 * 00:58:31: ゆ: Basically, we have an app for this wiki, and for some reason it has an entirely separate chat with nomods
 * 00:58:37: ゆ: *no mods
 * 00:58:39: Cheatcodechamp: We need it killed
 * 00:58:43: ゆ: So everyone just posts porn
 * 00:58:46: Atvelonis: Aaaaaand as a result it was full of profanities and such
 * 00:58:47: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 00:58:49: Atvelonis: That
 * 00:58:55: Cheatcodechamp: It can tarnish our name of the wrong people see it.
 * 00:58:58: JurassicGirl: ew.
 * 00:59:09: RenzXVI: That's bad.
 * 00:59:20: Cheatcodechamp: I can see Fox news and CNN attacking elder scrolls now...
 * 00:59:25: Cheatcodechamp: That would be funn
 * 00:59:28: Atvelonis: We had no idea it existed until about a week ago
 * 00:59:29: Atvelonis: lol
 * 00:59:31: ゆ: You don't even need to log-in to access it, you can just pick any name
 * 00:59:36: RenzXVI: :p
 * 00:59:56: JurassicGirl: How did yall find it?
 * 00:59:56: Cheatcodechamp: Yeah, remind flight to look into that or something
 * 01:00:05: Cheatcodechamp: Yeah..how did we find it?
 * 01:00:14: Atvelonis: No idea, I think it was Flight though
 * 01:00:20: Atvelonis: He mentioned it on chat a while back
 * 01:00:32: ゆ: Yeah, I've got a screenshot of the chat somewhere
 * 01:00:37: RenzXVI: So what was it supposed to be for?
 * 01:00:52: ゆ: That's a question for the app dev
 * 01:01:02: Cheatcodechamp: Its a chat room, that has fallen to the dark side
 * 01:01:14: RenzXVI: Lol ok
 * 01:01:51: JurassicGirl: Oh great. Now I wull be thinkingnof Star Wats.
 * 01:02:04: Atvelonis: Heh
 * 01:02:08: Cheatcodechamp: So I think thats it, unless we have any thing else relating to the wiki
 * 01:02:10: JurassicGirl: Star wars. My typing isnt the best.
 * 01:02:25: Atvelonis: Oh yes I have something
 * 01:02:42: Cheatcodechamp: Sweet
 * 01:03:03: Atvelonis: Remember how we allow speculative trivia as long as it is sourced and not crazy? Weeeeell, we have gotten some crap for that on reddit and I want to turn that around.
 * 01:03:10: Atvelonis: Not to say I want to reverse the consensus
 * 01:03:18: Atvelonis: But speculative trivia points NEED to be sourced
 * 01:03:26: Atvelonis: And they shouldn't make any wild assumptions either
 * 01:04:15: Atvelonis: For example there is Bible of the Deep Ones and N'Gasta! Kvata! Kvakis! regarding the Sload
 * 01:04:46: Atvelonis: Someone apparently thought that their connection meant the Deep Ones *were* Sload, which is a bit of a stretch
 * 01:05:16: Cheatcodechamp: So we should modify this then
 * 01:05:16: ゆ: So speculation trivia should just be removed if there's no source?
 * 01:05:22: Atvelonis: Yes UAM
 * 01:05:30: Atvelonis: @CCC: I did, it's okay now
 * 01:05:50: Cheatcodechamp: The idea seems to have backfired some, how bad did Reddit feed this information to us?
 * 01:06:02: Atvelonis: It wasn't too harsh
 * 01:06:08: Atvelonis: More constructive criticism
 * 01:06:16: Atvelonis: Which was actually helpful for once
 * 01:06:26: Atvelonis: Still this is the type of thing I would like to avoid
 * 01:06:38: Cheatcodechamp: Well thats good, they where mean in the past, so we are improving then
 * 01:06:41: ゆ: I sometimes wonder what people think of this wiki, I never really gave it a second thought when I wasn't a member.
 * 01:07:08: Cheatcodechamp: Most arguments about this where in 2012, we where not the best loved group
 * 01:07:12: RenzXVI: I don't know what there is to think... It's a wiki.
 * 01:07:40: RenzXVI: Forums get trouble every once in a while.
 * 01:07:46: Atvelonis: @CCC: I am glad to have missed that, lol
 * 01:07:47: Cheatcodechamp: UESP has held top slot for years, their seniority gives them an edge
 * 01:08:10: Atvelonis: They weren't a wiki until around 2005 or 2006 though
 * 01:08:16: Cheatcodechamp: Say what you want about Jimeee, but I credit some of the stability to him.
 * 01:08:20: Atvelonis: Before then they were basically useless
 * 01:08:21: Atvelonis: True, true
 * 01:08:58: Atvelonis: I half wish Jimeee was still here but at the same time I feel that he would cause issues again
 * 01:08:59: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so are we all in favor of adapting the triva rule?
 * 01:09:10: JurassicGirl: yes
 * 01:09:15: Cheatcodechamp: Im host, so I cant vote....
 * 01:09:25: ゆ: I want tons of the old admins back, but what y'gonna do
 * 01:09:34: QueenFinelia: yeah
 * 01:09:41: Cheatcodechamp: I tried to get them back, they wished us good luck and left
 * 01:10:13: Atvelonis: Ask again when ES VI is announced
 * 01:10:16: Cheatcodechamp: I think they follow us on FB though
 * 01:10:26: Atvelonis: 2017 or 2018 ish most likely
 * 01:10:30: JurassicGirl: wait. Es 5
 * 01:10:31: ゆ: I was talking to Elchzard when he decided to leave ultimately. It sucked because the whole drama issue just made it so he couldn't be bothered with it anymore.
 * 01:10:40: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, Atve, do what you need to fix the trivia
 * 01:10:42: JurassicGirl: i need to read up.
 * 01:10:45: Atvelonis: Skyrim was the fifth
 * 01:10:59: Atvelonis: Ok, gotcha
 * 01:11:02: Atvelonis: I'll get on that
 * 01:11:06: JurassicGirl: I meant 6
 * 01:11:13: RenzXVI: ES 6 would spike everything up... The members and all
 * 01:11:25: Cheatcodechamp: We should make sure we are cought up though
 * 01:11:41: Cheatcodechamp: We dont need to be trying to build old articles while doing the new stuff as well
 * 01:11:42: Atvelonis: We will be by then
 * 01:11:52: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so is that everything?
 * 01:11:54: ゆ: We should make sure we're welcoming for new members when they join for TES6.
 * 01:12:10: Atvelonis: We are a lot more user-friendly than UESP in my opinion, which gives us an advantage in the future
 * 01:12:15: Atvelonis: UESP is tougher to use
 * 01:12:22: Atvelonis: And the people there are not particularly friendly
 * 01:12:30: Atvelonis: At least the ones I have spoken to
 * 01:12:57: Cheatcodechamp: They have become jaded over the years, but they do not look at us very well
 * 01:13:06: Cheatcodechamp: They think we steal everything..
 * 01:13:10: RenzXVI: I think everything will be better on TES6
 * 01:13:19: Atvelonis: Did someone fix up that Maormer page yet?
 * 01:13:54: Cheatcodechamp: I did some, not sure if its all purged though
 * 01:14:55: Atvelonis: Oh yeah it needs work
 * 01:14:57: Atvelonis: A lot
 * 01:15:04: Cheatcodechamp: Then we will work on that
 * 01:15:07: Atvelonis: I'll tag it
 * 01:15:10: Cheatcodechamp: Until then I think the Moot is over
 * 01:15:26: RenzXVI: oh :p
 * 01:15:29: Cheatcodechamp: Remember to recruit new members, and to keep an eye out for wikis to join the project
 * 01:15:36: Cheatcodechamp: Unless we have more topics?
 * 01:15:46: RenzXVI: No idea/
 * 01:15:48: Cheatcodechamp: I can do this longer, but I think we covered everything
 * 01:16:02: Atvelonis: I sorta like this open floor idea
 * 01:16:07: Atvelonis: Maybe we should adopt it as the norm
 * 01:16:15: Atvelonis: It's less rigid and less confusing
 * 01:16:19: Atvelonis: More community input
 * 01:16:20: Cheatcodechamp: We should look into it, I feel it flows better
 * 01:16:29: RenzXVI: You wanted me to remind you of the banners? I think
 * 01:16:52: Atvelonis: Banners?
 * 01:16:57: Cheatcodechamp: Yeah, what where you meaning about banners?
 * 01:17:11: Atvelonis: The Wikia __FLAGS__ thing or like staff templates?
 * 01:17:49: RenzXVI: I am not sure what they're called but other forums allow members to put in whatever they want in a slot under their posts... Like a signature
 * 01:18:03: RenzXVI: COuld help promote the other wikis
 * 01:18:10: RenzXVI: If we had that
 * 01:18:23: Atvelonis: Signatures
 * 01:18:30: RenzXVI: Our signatures are pretty limited
 * 01:18:31: Atvelonis: I know what you're talking about
 * 01:18:38: Atvelonis: A quote or an image or something
 * 01:18:41: RenzXVI: Yes
 * 01:18:42: Atvelonis: Images... no
 * 01:18:46: Atvelonis: But words sure
 * 01:18:46: RenzXVI: Oh
 * 01:18:53: Atvelonis: Images would clog it up a bit
 * 01:19:04: RenzXVI: Yeah, that's the main problem with that.
 * 01:19:05: Atvelonis: I see what you're talking about on loads of forums
 * 01:19:08: QueenFinelia: oh yeah I've seen the banner things too
 * 01:19:19: QueenFinelia: aren't they usually for forums tho?
 * 01:19:37: RenzXVI: But it was effective though. I always clicked on people with interesting banners.
 * 01:19:46: Atvelonis: Yeah, and while we do have a forum we are pretty strict with signatures and such