Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-85.74.137.231-20130605091958/@comment-3573184-20130814121909

Legate Alexandros wrote: 1. Akatosh is not Lorkhan!......

2. Now, I never heard of Mankar Camoran being made Dragonborn by Wulf or any other incarnations of Talos or Shor, or Ysmir.

3. Wasn't he in his paradise most of the time anyways? If I remember correctly, Mankar Camoran lived in his paradise since before Talos had evem becom an Emperor.

4. Didn't he start his teaching and wrote Mysterious Xarxes somewhere in the first era or before?

5. I maybe wrong on that, but I see no connection between Mankar Camoran and Dragonborns...besides the fact that he was waiting it out in alternated dimansion, like Miraak for many years. However, unlike Miraak, he could leave his paradise if he wanted to.

6. Now before Talos being proclaimed Ysmir by Greybeards, it was Wolfheart of Atmora who was such and he was made into an avatar of Shor for his deeds.

7. Zurin Arctus seemed to have become also the same Ysmir when they needed a spirit of a god to power Numidium.

8. Then appearntly Talos manteled all other avatars of Shor and became one himself, taking a place in the pantheon that used to be occupied by the missing god Shor/Lorkhan, becoming a Ninth Divine, Talos.

9. Now, I guess even before Wulfhearth was an avatar of Shor and Ysmir, there was an ancient Nordic Divine Ysmir, that was represented by fox.

10. However, that is where it gets confusing even for me and I will not be able to explain to you the difference. Oh yeah, don't forget that Pelinal Whitewisk, might have also been Ysmir, during the time of Alessian rebelion. I think there might have been someone else...boy there were a lot of Ysmirs. 1. Yes, he is. One of Elder Scrolls lore writers, Michael Kirkbride, even said so. Akatosh and Lorkhan are not brothers, they ARE same thing being.

2. None of those beigns give out the dragonblood, only akatosh does.

3. No, and his paradise wasn' created until sometime around the events of Oblivion.

4. No becuase his commentaeirs talk about Tiber septim, meaning they had to come after him.

5. You also see him wearing it outside of paradise, In the mythic dawn's base in Cyrodiil.

http://images.uesp.net/a/ad/OB-npc-Mankar_Camoran.jpg

6. Ysmir is just a title, there can be more then one of them at a time.

7. Zurin Arctus became the underking, not Ysmir.

8. It would be more accurate to say all the avatars of Lorkhan mantled Lorkhan and fused togeather to become Talos.

9. The fox was not Ysmir. the ancient nordic animal pantheon is

Hawk = Kyne, Wolf = Mara, Snake = Shor, Moth = Dibella, Owl = Jhunal, Whale = Tsun, Bear = Sthun, Fox = Orkey, Dragon = Alduin.

10 Pelinal himself was not Ysmir, he was belived to be Ysmir becuase all of them were avaatrs of Lrokhan, thus people confuse thier histories.