Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-77.172.125.107-20130901100104/@comment-8248675-20130917232852

Whoever started this, should join our discussion in my topic of talking about weather Talos was Atmoran, Nord, Breton or even Imperial. I think we covered in that discussion of mine that even though Talos was born in Alcaire and looked quite a lot like a Breton, he more then likely was part Nord as well. His Breton physical appearance as mentioned by Berenziah in her biography, was probably contributed by his Breton mother, who more then likely was from Lariat family.

The theory of Lariat family connection to Talos, is also supported by the claims of Lariat family to be distant cousins of everyone from Septim Dynasty. By the way Uriel Septim IV was technicaly a Dunmer, born from Dunmer mother Katariah and her Breton Consort Gelivere Lariat. Although there cannot be a connection between Uriel IV having Breton blood within him and the fact that Uriel Septim VII looked Breton, as they were not directly related. Afther Uriel IV died, Elder Council would not allow his descendants to claim Imperial throne, they voted in someone from Septim Dynasty, Uriel V who I believed was killed when he tried conquering Akavir, or was it the next one? In anycase, Elder Council considred the son of Katariah from the Lariat person to be illigitimate, even though his half brother, the only son that katariah had with Pelagius III, made him his successor. They just barely tolerated Uriel IV on the throne, but they wouldn't let his children to rule. Also, officially Uriel VII, according to his wikia article, is considered an Imperial as most of the Emperors/ Empresses from Septim Dynasty with few exceptions. Like Pelagius III who was half Imperial half Altmer, but oficially he would be an Altmer due to his Altmeri mother; His son actually had three bloods within himself Imperial, Altmer and Dunmer, but since his mother was Katariah he would be officially Dunmer; then ofcourse we have Katariah, who was the only pureblooded Dunmer on the throne of Cyrodil ever; finally we have her afore mentioned another son Uriel IV, who had Breton and Dunmer blood within him but officialy would be considered a Dunmer. Also, the children of Empreror Magnus, who was elected to be an Emperor after the War of Red Diamond, whould actually have a Redguard successor to the throne, except all of his children with his Redguard wife had been killed during the War of Red Diamond.

Anyways, getting back on topic of Tiber Septim being a Foresworn/Reachman. That cannot be possible, since I am quite sure that who he shouted away at the battle of Old Hroldan when he discovered his t'hum with the help of Wulfhearth. There were no Foresworn back then, but Reach was inhabited by a breed of Bretons that we know also as Reachmen. They had always lived in Reach, side by side with Nords, who seemingly were in the Reach first. They always disputed with Nords for teritory and sometimes wanted independence. But Reach was most likely originaly a Skyrim's land, Reachmen populated it when Bretons of High Rock (probably from Western Reach) had trickeled into Skyrim. They probably interbred with local Nords and possibly with Redguards from the sought region of Reach (Disputed city of Dragonstar that used to be both in Skyrim and Hammerfell, actually located on the patch of land of Western Reach, possibly annexed by Hammerfell and Skyrim at some point from High Rock and right in between of three.) Me an Dovahsebrom just had a discussion on who was in the Reach first in my topic and even touched the Red Eagle. Indeed, Red Eagle was a Briarheart hero of Reachmen, back when Alessian Empire tried invading Reach in ca. 1050 of the first era, long before Talos was born. Also, Forsworn keep saying that they are worshiping Old Gods, quite possibly that is who Reachmen worshiped when they first appeared in Reach. And my understanding of Old Gods are Daedra and other creatures that consort with Daedra, like Hagravens. So I don't think it's a new thing for Forsworn to worship Daedra. It the way it's new, since it hadan't been done ever since Reachmen, unhappily were incorporated into Skyrim's society, when Talos had defeated them at Old Hroldan. Back then there were no Forsworn though, I believe Forsworn came to be when Ulfric ended their 20 years of independent Kingdom and shouted them off of Markarth's walls. Most of them instead of accepting their defeat, ran for the hills and called themselves Forsworn, with Madonach leading them from Cihdna mines, if you don't kill him when you get thrown in there. I am sorry it was such a long post, I hope I didn't loose anyone in here and I hope it states my point and opinions clearly.