Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-8248675-20130606043855/@comment-13446185-20140427155742

Yes other Oversouls. Like General Talos, God Talos, Underking, ALMSIVI, etc. None of them can do what Tiber could do. Interact with one of their parts.

Uhhh, no. The Aurbis is a overlap of Anu and Padomay. Not Anuiel and Sithis. Aurbis is the Universe in TES.

What exactly makes you think they couldn't?

Read the monomyth my friend

''Thus was born Sithis, who was the sum of all the limitations Anuiel would utilize to ponder himself. Anuiel, who was the soul of all things, therefore became many things, and this interplay was and is the Aurbis.''

And an avatar of Lorkhan is what? He mantles him. No an avatar of Lorkhan is an avatar... Do I really have to do this?

av·a·tar
[av-uh-tahr, av-uh-tahr] Show IPA noun


 * 1) Hindu Mythology . the descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god.

"We curse you, noisy Lorkhaj, to walk Nirni for many phases."

-Words of Clan Mother Ahnissi

^this is a Shezarrine

Talos was the last Dragonborn to earn the title because he was the last true Dragonborn. The other Septims weren't true dragonborns. They were dragonblooded. The title Ysmir has existed way before Pelinal, Wulfarth and General Talos. Because of this it is extremely likely that the title has been taken by other Nordic Heroes that predate them.

You know why Talos is translated to Stormcrown? Because Talos is just another name that was given to Hjalti/Wulfarth Oversoul by the Greybeards. Ysmir being stated as being an aspect of Lorkhan was likely the Ysmir General Talos. Because Talos is only stated once, despite there being two different Talos. 'Talos was the last Dragonborn to earn the title because he was the last true Dragonborn. The other Septims weren't true dragonborns. They were dragonblooded.'

Oh yay the whole Dragonblooded thing again. I hope you know that Dragonblooded ≠ Dragonborn idea is complete fanon. I dare you to find one damn reference that says otherwise. While you do that I'll sit here and quote the Book of the Dragonborn.

Those blessed by Akatosh with "the dragon blood" became known more simply as Dragonborn.'

''Because of this connection with the Emperors, however, the other significance of the Dragonborn has been obscured and largely forgotten by all but scholars and those of us dedicated to the service of the blessed Talos, Who Was Tiber Septim. Very few realize that being Dragonborn is not a simple matter of heredity - being the blessing of Akatosh Himself''

The line of Septims have all been Dragonborn, of course, which is one reason the simplistic notion of it being hereditary has become so commonplace

'The title Ysmir has existed way before Pelinal, Wulfarth and General Talos. Because of this it is extremely likely that the title has been taken by other Nordic Heroes that predate them.'

Extremely likely? What exactly makes you think that, especially seeing that the only people we know who have been given that title by Shezarrines, and one Shezarrine was literally named Ysmir. I'll go by facts, thank you very much.

'You know why Talos is translated to Stormcrown? Because Talos is just another name that was given to Hjalti/Wulfarth Oversoul by the Greybeards. '

O RLY

'Ysmir being stated as being an aspect of Lorkhan was likely the Ysmir General Talos. Because Talos is only stated once, despite there being two different Talos.'

Talos the God isn't an avatar of Lorkhan, Talos is a mantler (there is a difference). The Talos on the list is referring to the Stormcrown.

You know why? Because Wulfarth was a dragonborn. Also, being given the title Ysmir makes people see a Dragon when they see you. Which is likely why the Last Dragonborn and Wulfarth were mistaken for Hjalti. That is probably that Aetherial aura that I was talking about, a dragon aura. Though you can see the ghost before being given the title Ysmir by the Greybeards? I think you can, can't you? If so then it's not the Ysmir Dragon aura that made the ghost think that the LD was Hjalti. There probably is another aura that true Dragonborn have.... 'Though you can see the ghost before being given the title Ysmir by the Greybeards? I think you can, can't you? If so then it's not the Ysmir Dragon aura that made the ghost think that the LD was Hjalti. There probably is another aura that true Dragonborn have....'

Wulfharth was Hjalti before Hjalti was Ysmir...

How do you actually know that Hjalti is a dragonborn? It is heavily implied in the Arcturian Heresy that Hjalti himself was unable to use the Thu'um.

Hjalti however was a Shezarrine, a mortal representation of Lorkhan, Wulfharth was also a mortal representation of Lorkhan, Arctus was also a mortal representation of Lorkhan, Talos mantled Lorkhan. Just about everything about Talos' apotheosis had to deal with Lorkhan.

Let me ask you something? Who would be more likely to be mistaken for another;

Two Dragonborns, the Dovahkiin and Martin Septim.

Two Shezarrines, avatars of the same god (and in a sense, the same person).