Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-26356342-20150529065541

Phantasys wrote: Idiot. Akatosh is debatably not even a real god let along the prime patron of the third empire of men. The idea of Akatosh was only formed when Saint Alessia used Chim-el Adabal as a catalyst to merge aspects of Auriel with Shor to create a god more acceptable to both men and mer. Alessia CAGED the dragon with the covenent, the empire's symbol is a dragon inside of a diamond for a reason you know. With the covenent broken after Oblivion, Akatosh is free to resume his true nature as a god of destruction (remember elves believe that the destruction of the world is a good thing). In order to preserve creation Auriel must be starved of worship and more importantly, TALOS (in reality Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzarr) worship must be promoted.

Lorkhan is the only consistent and true patron of all men. Shor (as he is known to arguably the purist strain of humans) is possibly the only god that can be trusted to keep convention intact and support existance rather than a meaningless flow waiting for the next turn of the Kalpa. In the end it boils down to a spiritual and religious battle. The worshippers of Shor MUST defeat the worshippers of Auriel in order to safeguard creation.

In the end my support for the Stormcloaks boils down to the fact that traditionalist nords worship the god the protects creation, their victory is the best chance for the god of men to rise in worship once again. The empire would not want to look like a hypocrite and a sellout by admitting they banned TALOS worship and spoke out against his divinity publicly because they feared the thalmor. It's likely that even after another hypothetical war with the dominion is won they'll stick to their guns and keep TALOS off the divines. Should that happen then the elves win anyway as it's possible TALOS may lose the strength to keep together convention or the turning of the Kalpa and the world will end. First; It is in poor taste to start a conversation with "idiot" as that tends to break down any means of open dialog between 2 people. It is both unwarrented and unnecessary. Second; Thank you for the history lesson, however, that lesson did not come with a point, nor did it refute anything I mentioned. You literally took my first sentence and just ran with it, as if I was saying Akatosh is somehow better than Talos. This all comes (again) as a bit ironic, as you start with an insault, as if you're going to make a point that would disprove my argument, thereby making me look the fool, whereas you've actually done quite the opposite. Your first 2 paragraphs could be deleted, and at least the 3rd actually makes a point worth speaking about.

I mentioned divine intervention because you had mentioned divine providence, my point was Akatosh, a member of the nine divines, has directly involved himself within the affairs of mortals more often than Talos has. that is all there is to that point. Had an avatar of Talos slain a daedric prince recently, and then gifted another with limitless power brought about by yelling, I'd be more inclined to say we can't afford to not worship him. For future reference I AM aware of the theory the Thalmor plan to outlaw Talos worship in order to bring down the towers yatta yatta yatta... so spare me that rant on your next response, please.

Your last paragraph is a valid argument, but it's lacking foresight. I agree everyone should be allowed to worship Talos, the first time I heard an NPC say "By the eight" I yelled at my screen "It's nine dammit!" However I'll bring back the point that The Empire didnt enforce the banning of Talos. Hypocrits and sell outs? I will again reluctantly ask for citation on this... The Empire didnt ban the worship of Talos... the Thalmor did... theres a huge difference there. It wasnt the Empire's Idea. Since you seem to like History lessons, heres one for you... when the Thalmor Abassador first showed up with the Ultimatum, part of that Ultimatum was the banning of Talos worship and guess what the Empire did? They refused. When has the Empire spoken out directly against Talos's divinity? The Justicars of the Thalmor are the ones torturing people who worship Talos not the Legion. I am honestly asking here, meaning absolutly no disrespect, but can you not tell the difference between the Thalmor and the Empire? They're not the same faction, they dont work together, they don't make plans together, and they dont even share the field of battle. You're attaching things you hate about the Dominion to the Empire, and that isnt fair. I'll quote Tullius again here: ''"That's putting it mildly. The Thalmor invited me here to remind everyone that they can tell the Empire what to do. I would refuse, but I don't want to jeopardize the peace between us." ''He's clearly saying the Empire's hands are currently tied because they need the peace, they need the time to recover, and more importantly accuratly shows how the Empire is just putting up with the Thalmor for the time being. There is NO WAY they would keep a ban on Talos worship IF they managed to defeat the Dominion. They didnt agree to the term to begin with, and didnt enforce it when it was a stated rule, what makes you think they'd suddenly change their minds on it one they won the war?

If you're truly for the idea of Talos being the key to salvation, then why would you side with Ulfric when it's a well known fact the Thalmor are using him to weaken the 2 providences? That plays right into their hands, there's in game evidence of this.