Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-6685058-20130727045056/@comment-8248675-20130910183955

I though you said that Imperial Library sources to be trusted? Also, isn't Akatosh the same as Auri-el, Auriel and Alkosh? Isn't in the begining it was only Anu/All Maker and Padomay/Sithis in the begining place? Then Padomay started the interplay that resulted in creation of everything, but Mondus? I guess it's a bit confusing, just when I though I got the original creation right and creation of Mondus.

Okey so we get that you can be a god without being Aedra, but does that mean that certain gods like Arkey and Talos don't deserve to be up in Autherius with other divines who are in fact the Aedra? Some people here take Thalmor side of the argument and believe that Talos have no buisiness being a devine, Aedra or not, being Shor's replacement or not.

Maybe Shor/Lorkhan not an Aedra (our ancestor) but I don't think he's a Daedra either (not our ancestor). The way I see it, he invisioned a great world where creations of other divines would live. So he orchestrated the creation of Mondus, by convincing other divines into using their power to create it. He thought that Mondus was beutiful, other divines who actually did the creation didn't think so. They killed him just for having them create Mondus and the other god along with him, that we know as Tsun. He might not have used his own divinity to create Mondus, but if he didn't decide to convince other divines to make Mondus, there wouldn't be Nirn, Tamriel or Elder Scrolls. I think he had suffered enough and he deserves a bit more credit. Besides, he wasn't unlike his father Sithis, who also didn't exactly create anything, but he caused the conflict that resulted in creation of spirit realm. Yet I belive there are a lot more of those that reveare Sithis for the fact that he caused creation of Autherius and Void, not for the fact that he actually created it himself. Although according to you, it's irrelavant since it seems that your sourses state that Sithis and Anuel, Anu and Padomay were not brothers but one and the same thing, just conflicting parts of each other. Just like Akatosh and Lorkhan, according to the same reasoning one and the same, even though one technically kills the other.

Anyways I found something on Shor in Imperial Library, and excert from Nordic Mythology, not sure if it proves Shor being an Aedra, probably not. However, it does seem to mention that Nords of old had a little different outlook on Shor from their Imperial cousins and way different from mer, naturaly.

Shor - God of Creation, War and Glorious Death
The Nords treat Shor as a true god, not the watered down Shezarr of Imperial religious fashion, nor the Elven insult Lorkhan. King of the Nordic Gods and husband of Kyne, it was Shor who was the primary instigator behind the construction of Nirn. Some of the Aldmeri Gods, led by Trinimac and Auri-el, were outraged that they had given up so much of their power in the creation of Nirn that they loosed their fury at Shor, starting the War of Manifest Metaphors. Shor was slain and Trinimac tore out his heart, casting it into the sea where the Red Mountain grew around it. Shor's existence continued however, though seperated from his divine spark he influenced and helped the evolution of human civilization. He has also been sung back into the world at certain points in history, such as at the Battle at Red Mountain, where he led a vast army in a failed attempt to reclaim his Heart from the Chimer and Dwemer. Shor's abode is the great Hall of Valor, in the Aetheric realm of Sovngarde. All Nords who prove themselves in battle or die a glorious death are welcome to Shor's Hall in the afterlife.

Also, not all men are from Atmora, but I find it more credible that original men of Tamriel came from Atmora. Atmorans if you will evolved into Nord, even though I belive they are one and the same. Nords later branched into Bretons and Imperials, those had become original men of Tamriel. At the same time on Yokuda, there were Yokudans or what we call Redguards and in Akavir there were Akaviri or Tsaethi(sp?). The way I see it, men lived on three continents before, however Tamriel was inhabited by Mer. People from Atmora seemed to have been the first men to venture to Tamriel. Sometime later, Redguards came from destroyed Yokuda. Akaviri people were the last to try to come to Tamriel, but that didn't work out. Also, it is hard to say if Akavir people were really men, or reptilian hybrids. As it seems, that race went extinct, or we just don't know anything about them. They are often described as snake people and judging from Akaviri Potentates, they seemed to have a longer life span then other men. Ofcourse, I might not even know what I am talking about here, but I still respect you, even though it seems that you are being a bit hypocritical about sources best to use.