The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log September 2017


 * 20:00:22: The Crusader of Truth: I believe we are ready, minus Jauffre not being here
 * 20:00:33: The Cat Master: ok, cool. This the first time hotsing this. I'm a bit nervous so bear with me.
 * 20:00:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Red Five checking in
 * 20:00:42: Qahnaarin1997: Jauffre has a topic?
 * 20:00:43: The Crusader of Truth: We can either wait for him and let him present his topic, or move on and hope he comes later. Your call.
 * 20:00:49: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, Jauffre has a topic.
 * 20:01:00: Qahnaarin1997: Lets just start.
 * 20:01:01: Kora Stormblade: Yea, about OOG refs I believe
 * 20:01:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Present it without him, doubt he could defend his point.
 * 20:01:14: The Crusader of Truth: I extremely doubt Timeoin will be joining us, so that would leave me if we move on
 * 20:01:16: The Wamasu: Am i allowed to participate?
 * 20:01:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Everyone is.
 * 20:01:31: Spartanwarriormage: :)
 * 20:01:35: Flightmare: Hi Red Five
 * 20:01:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Hi flightywighty
 * 20:01:47: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, everyone is allowed to participate.
 * 20:01:48: The Wamasu: Ok
 * 20:01:49: ShawnCognitionCP: ;*
 * 20:01:52: The Cat Master: Yeah it's about OOG references and OOG templates
 * 20:02:03: The Crusader of Truth: Read Project:Moot if you don't know what's going on for sure
 * 20:02:04: Kora Stormblade: Eh yea
 * 20:02:06: The cheese lord of nirn: hi wamasu, hi flightmare
 * 20:02:12: The cheese lord of nirn: hi kora
 * 20:02:16: Bronkiin: "Shouldn't be on there because OOG shouldn't be on the wiki (ps Kirkbride is crap)"
 * 20:02:24: Kora Stormblade: ^
 * 20:02:30: Bronkiin: Presented it on his behalf
 * 20:02:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Point is invalid
 * 20:02:44: Qahnaarin1997: What is OOG?
 * 20:02:45: The Cat Master: anyway since he's not here lts move on to crusader's topics first.
 * 20:02:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Shouldn't even be considered, a prior moot vote is why we even have it.
 * 20:02:54: Kora Stormblade: Great, glad that point is done and over with then :)also, Out Of Game
 * 20:03:00: Kora Stormblade:.
 * 20:03:04: The Wamasu: Hi cheese (can i call you that)
 * 20:03:04: KINMUNE: Hello there, Poisoned apples!
 * 20:03:08: The cheese lord of nirn: yup
 * 20:03:15: RagnarOfTamriel: Heyo Poisoned Apples
 * 20:03:24: Qahnaarin1997: Alright, Cat, you said crus has the floor?
 * 20:03:25: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 20:03:31: Flightmare: !tw
 * 20:03:32: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, I have the floor. One moment please.
 * 20:03:33: KINMUNE: Welcome users: False
 * 20:03:41: Kora Stormblade: oh
 * 20:03:52: ShawnCognitionCP: it has begun
 * 20:04:06: The Wamasu: Ok
 * 20:04:25: The Crusader of Truth: My first topic is simple enough. I want to propose that we create categories for redirects that lead to the Timeline redirects, such as this one. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/4E_48?redirect=no The reason for this is we have over 180 redirects going to the Timeline page.
 * 20:05:04: Qahnaarin1997: Basically make the era and date more specific?
 * 20:05:15: RagnarOfTamriel: So if anyone looks up a year it automatically takes them to the timeline article?
 * 20:05:20: The Crusader of Truth: It's simple enough, I don't think we need a lot of explanation for it. I can handle changing the redirects as needed by hand.
 * 20:05:26: Bronkiin: What would the category be?
 * 20:05:36: Bronkiin: "Timeline Redirects"?
 * 20:05:43: The Crusader of Truth: or something of similar note
 * 20:05:52: The Crusader of Truth: And no, Qah, just the redirect category
 * 20:05:52: The cheese lord of nirn: i like the idea, to tell you the truth
 * 20:05:55: Nekyn Alb: Why would that be needed?
 * 20:05:57: Bronkiin: Nice. Why would we want it?
 * 20:06:03: The Crusader of Truth: Organization
 * 20:06:07: The Wamasu: I think its a nice idea
 * 20:06:22: RagnarOfTamriel: Could i just get a quick explanation on what exactly it will do
 * 20:06:36: Bronkiin: As long as you or a bot take care of it, fine.
 * 20:06:37: Nekyn Alb: Yeah, when you need a list of all the existing links it may come in handy
 * 20:06:52: Qahnaarin1997: I'd be willing to help Crus with it.
 * 20:06:53: ShawnCognitionCP:
 * 20:06:57: Flightmare: You want to subcategorise or am I misreading you?
 * 20:06:57: Kora Stormblade: woa
 * 20:06:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Fucking cunt
 * 20:06:59: ShawnCognitionCP: How
 * 20:07:05: Nekyn Alb: ( + )
 * 20:07:08: ShawnCognitionCP: (+)
 * 20:07:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Thanks
 * 20:07:10: Kora Stormblade:
 * 20:07:12: Your Telvanni Mushroom House: Yeah Cheese? Sorry it took me long
 * 20:07:13: Kora Stormblade: what
 * 20:07:14: Kora Stormblade: oh
 * 20:07:16: Kora Stormblade: (+)
 * 20:07:16: Prophecy of the Urine: (+)
 * 20:07:18: The Crusader of Truth: No, I want to use Redirects by Timeline
 * 20:07:19: The Crusader of Truth: The primary reason I'm proposing it as "Redirects to Timeline" and not "Timeline Redirects" is that people tend to add it categories they use the predictive category list, and not remember it by memory.
 * 20:07:21: Qahnaarin1997: (+)
 * 20:07:21: The Cat Master: (+)
 * 20:07:26: Nekyn Alb: you can also write ( support )
 * 20:07:27: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 20:07:29: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:07:32: RagnarOfTamriel: +
 * 20:07:36: The Wamasu:
 * 20:07:36: Kora Stormblade: ( + )
 * 20:07:40: Kitanai: (+)
 * 20:07:41: Kora Stormblade: wthout space
 * 20:07:43: Qahnaarin1997: Telvanni, please keep any messages to a user in PM for the time being.
 * 20:07:52: Your Telvanni Mushroom House: Ah ok. Sorry
 * 20:07:55: The Wamasu: How (+)
 * 20:07:56: RagnarOfTamriel: (+)
 * 20:07:58: The Crusader of Truth: (+) is the support template
 * 20:08:12: Qahnaarin1997: So it passes.
 * 20:08:19: RagnarOfTamriel: and i assume a negative is the opposite?
 * 20:08:21: The cheese lord of nirn: (+)
 * 20:08:22: Kora Stormblade: So 10-0-0 I believe?
 * 20:08:23: The Crusader of Truth: Appears so. Anyone else have a vote?
 * 20:08:26: Kora Stormblade: 11-0-0
 * 20:08:28: Flightmare: But the category I listes already exists.
 * 20:08:28: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, Ragnar
 * 20:08:30: Your Telvanni Mushroom House: Sorry I suck with tech. How do I join private messaging
 * 20:08:30: Flightmare: listed*
 * 20:08:35: Flightmare: And you are proposing a clone?
 * 20:08:40: The Wamasu: Do you do the minus sign for no?
 * 20:08:48: Nekyn Alb: Yes ( - )
 * 20:08:49: The Crusader of Truth: I'm proposing getting rid of the existing one for the newer name
 * 20:08:53: Qahnaarin1997: Click on the users name and head to PM
 * 20:08:58: Kitanai: (Click on a username on the list over there > that's how you PM)
 * 20:08:59: Flightmare: So a move then
 * 20:09:23: The Cat Master: Are all the votes in
 * 20:09:31: The Crusader of Truth: I believe so
 * 20:09:41: The Wamasu: I guess so
 * 20:09:53: Qahnaarin1997: I'll brb
 * 20:09:53: Kitanai: I don't think I saw a single negative vote.
 * 20:10:01: Kora Stormblade: Right, next topic then?
 * 20:10:11: The Cat Master: Yes
 * 20:10:15: The Crusader of Truth: If I may request, may Kora have the next topic? I need to leave for a moment.
 * 20:10:25: The Cat Master: yes
 * 20:10:29: The Wamasu: Im ready if y'all are
 * 20:10:34: The Crusader of Truth: Awesome. I will be right back.
 * 20:10:59: Qahnaarin1997: Alright, back.
 * 20:11:47: Kora Stormblade: Right, my topic is to protect category pages from anonymous edits. This is because the only time anons edit the page, they always add another category /to/ it, and it has to be reverted. I feel like it would just be more useful to have it protected from that altogether
 * 20:12:05: RagnarOfTamriel: Anons?
 * 20:12:14: Qahnaarin1997: Anonymous users
 * 20:12:15: Kora Stormblade: Users with no actual account
 * 20:12:21: Kora Stormblade: their names are IP numbers
 * 20:12:21: RagnarOfTamriel: Oh
 * 20:12:40: Qahnaarin1997: It can be troublesome, yeah.
 * 20:12:43: RagnarOfTamriel: And a category page meaning what?
 * 20:12:46: Kora Stormblade: The categories would be open to edit for named users (so all of us)
 * 20:12:49: Flightmare: Still, does it happen a lot?
 * 20:12:55: Bronkiin: I can't see anons ever needed to edit a technical page like categories. About 99% of the time an anons edit to a category page is nonsensical. This would save us effort.
 * 20:12:59: Bronkiin: Yes it does Flight
 * 20:12:59: Kora Stormblade: Enough for it to be worth protecting
 * 20:13:19: Bronkiin: It'd save the patrollers work.
 * 20:13:19: Qahnaarin1997: Adding duplicate categories or a category that isn't used?
 * 20:13:28: The Wamasu: That can prove to be annoying it seems
 * 20:13:36: Kora Stormblade: Reread what bron said qahn
 * 20:13:47: RagnarOfTamriel: Yeah that would be good
 * 20:13:48: Qahnaarin1997: Missed it, sorry.
 * 20:14:18: The Cat Master: should we vote
 * 20:14:19: Flightmare: brb
 * 20:14:19: Qahnaarin1997: Yeah, most anon edit I have seen are at my editing skill level.
 * 20:14:19: Kitanai: Wouldn't that help with valdals
 * 20:14:24: Bronkiin: Anyone with a suggestion as to why it shouldn't happen?
 * 20:14:31: Bronkiin: If not yeh vote
 * 20:14:33: Qahnaarin1997: So I protecting that would be good
 * 20:14:37: Qahnaarin1997: (+)
 * 20:14:40: RagnarOfTamriel: (+)
 * 20:14:42: The Wamasu: (+)
 * 20:14:43: Spartanwarriormage: (+)
 * 20:14:43: The cheese lord of nirn: (+)
 * 20:14:44: The Cat Master: (+)
 * 20:14:47: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 20:14:48: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:15:04: Bronkiin: 8-0-0
 * 20:15:04: The Cat Master: 8-0-0 so far
 * 20:15:07: Bronkiin: :O
 * 20:15:08: Qahnaarin1997: Yep
 * 20:15:20: Qahnaarin1997: It'd be 9, Kora is in support.
 * 20:15:27: The Wamasu: If i miss a vote im sorry im trying to help my seven year old sister shut an Oblivion gate
 * 20:15:43: Kitanai: (My phone doesn't have a plus sign??)
 * 20:15:49: Kitanai: I vote yes
 * 20:15:49: Spartanwarriormage: Clear win for the plus
 * 20:16:00: Nekyn Alb: Categories have talk pages too after all, anons can just write there what they want to do
 * 20:16:12: Qahnaarin1997: Kit, do ( support ) no spaces then
 * 20:16:13: Nekyn Alb: Kit, you can write ( support )
 * 20:16:16: Nekyn Alb: aw
 * 20:16:17: Qahnaarin1997: (support)
 * 20:16:19: Kitanai: Thanks
 * 20:16:31: Kitanai: (Support)
 * 20:16:39: Bronkiin: 10-0-0 passed
 * 20:16:50: The Cat Master: 12-0-0
 * 20:16:55: Bronkiin: :O
 * 20:17:00: Bronkiin: Me can't math
 * 20:17:03: Qahnaarin1997: @The Cat Master, have you seen an increase in anons editing userpages lately. For some reason I seem to recall that.
 * 20:17:15: Bronkiin: I've not seen that
 * 20:17:31: Qahnaarin1997: I could be mistaken.
 * 20:17:40: The Cat Master: Not a whole lot, but i caught one the other day.
 * 20:17:56: Kora Stormblade: Crus has a topic but his internet crashed, so he's asking me to present his topic for him. So one sec
 * 20:18:06: Qahnaarin1997: Alright.
 * 20:18:13: The Cat Master: ok
 * 20:18:25: Kitanai: It crashed yesterday, shame he won't be here
 * 20:19:10: Qahnaarin1997: It happens a lot, Kit.
 * 20:19:19: Kitanai: Yeh, it does.
 * 20:19:24: The Wamasu: My internet is horrible
 * 20:19:35: The Wamasu: Glad i could be here
 * 20:19:40: Bronkiin: Yeh its 10. Qah voted twice.
 * 20:19:46: The cheese lord of nirn: whats internet? oh ya, that thing that i don't have because a sibling didn't pay the bill 2 years ago
 * 20:19:51: The Cat Master: Ok
 * 20:20:06: Qahnaarin1997: Bronk, I was telling Kit how to vote without the ( + ) one
 * 20:20:11: Qahnaarin1997: I voted once. :P
 * 20:20:12: The Wamasu: I don't have WiFi internet I have phone data
 * 20:20:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: if you don't have internet, how are you here?
 * 20:20:29: The Wamasu: Phone data
 * 20:20:29: Bronkiin: Because he has... phone data?
 * 20:20:33: Kitanai: You may have counted me twice
 * 20:20:46: Kora Stormblade: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Moot Ok so he told me to just link this.. About Legends card infobox formatting, he's saying that he proposes we take he card sumary thats on the template and just center it on the template instead of the pages
 * 20:20:49: Bronkiin: Kora's about to present Crus' top-
 * 20:20:50: Bronkiin: oh
 * 20:20:52: Bronkiin: xd
 * 20:20:52: Kora Stormblade: *the
 * 20:21:04: The cheese lord of nirn: I'm at applebees,  killing 3 birds with one stone.   eating, watching michiagn taking on florida, and participating here
 * 20:21:10: The cheese lord of nirn: otherwise I'm on my phone
 * 20:21:41: The Wamasu: Would it be worth the time and effort?
 * 20:21:55: Qahnaarin1997: Cheese, please save all other posts until Moot is over.
 * 20:22:26: Nekyn Alb: Taking the summary from the template to center it on the template? I don't understand
 * 20:22:40: The cheese lord of nirn: ya, I'm a little lost on this one too
 * 20:22:44: Kora Stormblade: Im asking him, he's taking awhile. If he cant be more specific we can move to another point
 * 20:23:15: Kora Stormblade: His other was automatic leads on pages, which I think we're more familiar with?
 * 20:23:16: The Wamasu: It doesn't make much sense
 * 20:23:17: Bronkiin: We'll need links to example pages and the template to make a judgement.
 * 20:23:28: Bronkiin: So we'll wait till he's back.
 * 20:23:38: Flightmare: Maybe he it referring to the usage of the HTML tag in certain descriptions
 * 20:23:48: Flightmare: If it can be migrated to the template itself.
 * 20:23:50: RagnarOfTamriel: Wait i see what he means
 * 20:24:01: Nekyn Alb: thought of that too
 * 20:24:05: Flightmare: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Adoring_Fan_(Legends)?action=edit
 * 20:24:05: The Wamasu: What does it mean
 * 20:24:12: Flightmare: Check the entry
 * 20:24:12: Qahnaarin1997: Guys, I need to go. I'll be back on later probably. Peace.
 * 20:24:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: bye
 * 20:24:35: RagnarOfTamriel: If you look at the infobox on the right side of any of the legends card articles the summary in Italics is not centered with the template of the info box
 * 20:25:13: Nekyn Alb: Whatever it has to do with the page, lol
 * 20:25:19: Poisoned apples: So not have the summary on the page as a section, but just in the template?
 * 20:25:27: RagnarOfTamriel: So for example go to this link: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Dragon_(Legends)
 * 20:25:33: Kora Stormblade: Ok just got another text from him, he says theres a variable in the template that has "summon" etc, he believes a legends editor would know more about what he's trying to say. Some pages use and some don't, he's proposing removing the from the page and isntead add it on the template
 * 20:25:45: Kora Stormblade: *instead
 * 20:25:49: The Wamasu: I don't know anything about legends or its articles so can i vote a neutral
 * 20:26:03: Flightmare: I don't think it was ever intended being centered at all. But I see it can work out.
 * 20:26:03: Kitanai: Wasn't he talking about this yesterday?
 * 20:26:05: Kora Stormblade: Also says he doubts he'll get his internet back but he;'ll try
 * 20:26:23: Flightmare: And HTML tags shouldn't be in data fields anyway
 * 20:26:26: Nekyn Alb: Centering it would make it look a bit better I guess
 * 20:26:28: Bronkiin: It would be more convenient by the looks of it.
 * 20:26:47: The Wamasu: Would it be worth it?
 * 20:26:48: Bronkiin: Flight knows best on this, however.
 * 20:27:14: The Crusader of Truth: First off, I would like to apologize for my internet going out. I'm hooked up to my phone and as it is, it may not work very long. However, Im hoping this holds out a but
 * 20:27:15: The Crusader of Truth: *bit
 * 20:27:23: Nekyn Alb: wb
 * 20:27:42: The Wamasu: Wb?
 * 20:27:45: Kora Stormblade: o.
 * 20:27:46: RagnarOfTamriel: I have to go for like 2 mins so im voting now
 * 20:27:49: Flightmare: I assumed you meant the tag in the data fields of the infoboxes?
 * 20:27:49: The cheese lord of nirn: o.
 * 20:27:51: RagnarOfTamriel: (+)
 * 20:28:04: Nekyn Alb: I don't think any Legends pages have except for the one in the infobox on them so a bot could delete those
 * 20:28:59: The Crusader of Truth: Second, I will try to find an example and say what I mean. I think you guys have already discussed it. Please note that my internet is extremely laggy and I may not see a lot of you guys' replies for quite some time.
 * 20:29:21: RagnarOfTamriel: back
 * 20:29:31: Nekyn Alb: like this? http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Adoring_Fan_(Legends)?action=edit
 * 20:30:06: Nekyn Alb: Crus
 * 20:30:36: Kora Stormblade: He says he's having connection issues
 * 20:30:59: Kora Stormblade: Ill show him your link though
 * 20:31:07: Nekyn Alb: doesn't he have a phone with mobile data?
 * 20:31:42: Nekyn Alb: (it's Flight's link tho)
 * 20:31:56: Kora Stormblade: Yea he does
 * 20:32:05: The Wamasu: are you communicating with him?
 * 20:32:11: Kora Stormblade: Says data connection is shit tho lol
 * 20:32:16: Kora Stormblade: no Im using telepathy
 * 20:32:25: Nekyn Alb: wizard as fuck
 * 20:32:31: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, like that
 * 20:32:36: RagnarOfTamriel: Using a pager, or a telegraph by my guess
 * 20:33:06: Nekyn Alb: So you want to delete tags on all Legends pages and make the text centered in the infobox itself?
 * 20:33:07: Spartanwarriormage: I keep getting forced out
 * 20:33:25: Spartanwarriormage: I might go if it keeps doing this
 * 20:34:00: RagnarOfTamriel: thats what i thought he meant
 * 20:34:13: RagnarOfTamriel: Bc i looked myself and it does look odd
 * 20:34:19: Nekyn Alb: It does
 * 20:34:52: The cheese lord of nirn: brb, I'm neutral on this section
 * 20:35:01: The Cat Master: Should we go ahead and vote on it. We need to move on.
 * 20:35:05: RagnarOfTamriel: A lot of the pictures are also not centered with the infobox
 * 20:35:12: The Wamasu: How do you vote neutral
 * 20:35:15: Nekyn Alb: Voting would be good
 * 20:35:23: Kora Stormblade: ( = )
 * 20:35:29: Nekyn Alb: Do you have a link, Ragnar?
 * 20:35:39: Bronkiin: Shouldn't vote before we know exactly what's being proposed, surely?
 * 20:35:39: RagnarOfTamriel: Um yeah give me a sec
 * 20:35:40: Spartanwarriormage: (=)
 * 20:35:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (=)
 * 20:35:41: Nekyn Alb: Pictures should be centered always
 * 20:35:43: The Wamasu: (=)
 * 20:35:44: Flightmare: That's an old bug actually
 * 20:35:44: Poisoned apples: (=) I think it looks odd
 * 20:35:48: RagnarOfTamriel: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Dragon_(Legends)
 * 20:35:56: Nekyn Alb: We vote on centered text now, Bron
 * 20:36:02: RagnarOfTamriel: The blood dragon card pic doesnt look centered
 * 20:36:05: The Cat Master: (=)
 * 20:36:11: Spartanwarriormage: This topic is weird
 * 20:36:14: Nekyn Alb: It is for me
 * 20:36:21: Flightmare: It's a kind of two topics at once.
 * 20:36:30: The cheese lord of nirn: (=)
 * 20:36:30: Nekyn Alb: Might look weird because it doesn't have a circle on the top right
 * 20:36:38: Flightmare: And it's kind of like discussing B while A is still on the table.
 * 20:36:42: RagnarOfTamriel: Nvm it was my eyes screwing with me bc the magicka cost sticks out slightly more than the other side
 * 20:36:49: Flightmare: But since this is B anyway I'm going (+)
 * 20:36:55: RagnarOfTamriel: (+)
 * 20:36:57: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:37:04: The Crusader of Truth: The entire proposal has basically failed because of my connection, as it is is there a way my idea may be proposed at a later time?
 * 20:37:21: Flightmare: Yes, on the forum
 * 20:37:24: Flightmare: better refined.
 * 20:37:24: The Cat Master: 3-5-0
 * 20:37:30: Spartanwarriormage: 3-6-0
 * 20:37:31: Bronkiin: Or present it next time.
 * 20:37:34: Spartanwarriormage: I think
 * 20:37:35: Nekyn Alb: Nah man, we guessed your proposal like Sherlock, all good. Gonna kill some londoners now
 * 20:37:37: The Wamasu: Does that m
 * 20:37:40: Flightmare: As we're now addressing two different things that point to the same problem.
 * 20:37:41: The Crusader of Truth: I will leave a forum message on the topic later then. I don't really want to wait another month
 * 20:37:54: The Crusader of Truth: You guys may discuss the other issue, it's okay
 * 20:37:56: The Wamasu: Meam it won since there is no negatives
 * 20:37:59: Spartanwarriormage: It's 3-6-0
 * 20:38:16: RagnarOfTamriel: two thirds of the community needs to agree
 * 20:38:19: Nekyn Alb: You have two proposals, Crus xD
 * 20:38:22: RagnarOfTamriel: Of the attentdees
 * 20:38:23: Flightmare: Imo the center tag needs to be gone. And we can decide later if all text should be centered (how it is on the card) or aligned left (like how it is wiki wide)
 * 20:39:03: RagnarOfTamriel: So moving on whos next?
 * 20:39:13: The Wamasu: So did it win or lose?
 * 20:39:20: Nekyn Alb: Jauffre or Tim
 * 20:39:22: Kora Stormblade: Probably postponed
 * 20:39:22: The Crusader of Truth: Nekyn, this is an absolute mess for me because I only had one legends proposal. Im honestly extremely confused right now
 * 20:39:25: Kora Stormblade: Onto the forum
 * 20:39:29: Flightmare: I'd say postponed.
 * 20:39:37: Flightmare: As it needs more discussing for a good outcome.
 * 20:39:41: The Crusader of Truth: ^
 * 20:39:43: Kora Stormblade: Your autolead proposal maybe?
 * 20:39:43: Flightmare: Some things go way too fast in here.
 * 20:40:44: RagnarOfTamriel: Just quick question... are discussion related arguements made here as well? Like regarding Discussions categories, formats, and rules?
 * 20:40:54: Flightmare: Could be.
 * 20:41:04: RagnarOfTamriel: Ok
 * 20:41:31: The Cat Master: Should we move on to Crus' other topic?
 * 20:41:48: RagnarOfTamriel: yes
 * 20:42:05: The Wamasu: Yes
 * 20:42:15: RagnarOfTamriel: Or anyone elses lol
 * 20:42:19: Kora Stormblade: RIght well since his connection died I kind of know his topic
 * 20:42:41: Kora Stormblade: Unless we want to postpone?
 * 20:42:55: Kora Stormblade: Because tbf I think it might be best considering his connection at the moment
 * 20:43:07: The Wamasu: We may need to o
 * 20:43:12: The Cat Master: Posning is fine
 * 20:43:18: The Wamasu: Postpone his
 * 20:43:23: Spartanwarriormage: It would be better if he explained
 * 20:43:27: The Crusader of Truth: Hey, my internet is finally back online. For now at least
 * 20:43:27: Kora Stormblade: o.
 * 20:43:29: The Wamasu: My phone is being done
 * 20:43:35: Kora Stormblade: gogogo then before it dies
 * 20:43:41: The Wamasu: Dumn*
 * 20:43:48: The Crusader of Truth: Alright, so since I don't want to wait for my internet to die
 * 20:44:03: The Crusader of Truth: I would like to ask that you guys read this for all of the details relating to my next topic http://crusadersandbox.wikia.com/wiki/Moot
 * 20:44:37: The Crusader of Truth: My proposal, in a quick summary, is that we take the time to go ahead and remove the autoleads that exist on quest pages and their templates
 * 20:44:51: Nekyn Alb: What are autoleads?
 * 20:44:53: Bronkiin: Absolutely I hate autoleads they're crap
 * 20:45:02: RagnarOfTamriel: what are autoleads
 * 20:45:03: The Crusader of Truth: The actual removal of autoleads has already been approved, http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:951028
 * 20:45:21: Bronkiin: I gtg, but I'm most likely a (+) if this comes to a vote unless Flight or someone convincly says its a bad idea
 * 20:45:21: The Crusader of Truth: Autoleads are the generated statements created by templates at the start of a page
 * 20:45:21: The Wamasu: Autoleads?
 * 20:46:01: RagnarOfTamriel: Such as? Can i have an example?
 * 20:46:01: The Crusader of Truth: I extremely doubt you know what they are unless you are an editor
 * 20:46:06: Kora Stormblade: Generated statements at the top of a page xD So it shows up on a page but does not appear in source mode
 * 20:46:07: The Crusader of Truth: I am working on an example
 * 20:46:31: Kora Stormblade: I think theyre are many in online quests pages
 * 20:46:36: Kora Stormblade: I can try and find one too
 * 20:46:37: RagnarOfTamriel: I try to edit lol but i can never find articles that need it
 * 20:46:40: The Wamasu: So would this help editors?
 * 20:46:49: The Crusader of Truth: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:SkyrimQuests (see http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:SkyrimQuests?action=edit) and http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/In_My_Time_of_Need
 * 20:46:53: Flightmare: Template:OnlineQuests Has autolead
 * 20:46:55: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, it would help editors
 * 20:47:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i agree that everything should be editable in source mode
 * 20:47:19: Nekyn Alb: Similar to how infoboxes add categories?
 * 20:47:21: Kora Stormblade: Yes, because the leads can sometimes mess up with the formatting for no apparent reason, so things have to be positioned differently. That and it would be icr to have it there in source
 * 20:47:26: The Crusader of Truth: Main reason being the statements that are in the template make it //way// harder to edit the actual page, and cause a lot of problems with templates like For
 * 20:47:29: The Crusader of Truth: And yes, Nekyn
 * 20:47:32: Kora Stormblade: Yea similar to a point nekyn
 * 20:47:34: The Wamasu: Well then i will vote yes
 * 20:47:50: The Crusader of Truth: Do we all agree to vote, or do we have more questions?
 * 20:48:05: The Wamasu: Im ready to vote
 * 20:48:15: Nekyn Alb: Ahh, I know what you mean, we got that in the German wiki with and  on armors
 * 20:48:16: Flightmare: Your moot page says you want to come up with a plan.
 * 20:48:22: Flightmare: But voting yes won't give you a plan.
 * 20:48:22: RagnarOfTamriel: Ok i kind of understand
 * 20:48:32: The Wamasu: (+)
 * 20:48:36: The Crusader of Truth: Wait, Wamasu
 * 20:48:37: RagnarOfTamriel: (+)
 * 20:48:40: RagnarOfTamriel: oh oopa
 * 20:48:42: The Wamasu: Sorry
 * 20:48:43: The Crusader of Truth: Flightmare has an extremely good point
 * 20:48:51: The Crusader of Truth: I forgot to mention that, since my internet has stayed online
 * 20:49:30: The Crusader of Truth: I want to take the time to go ahead and remove all of the autoleads myself, minus the Online, which I would like to plan further and discuss with other editors who are willing to help, as it is a larger project
 * 20:49:51: RagnarOfTamriel: If you showed me how to do it i would
 * 20:50:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: not sure how autoleads work, but could a bot remove them?
 * 20:50:08: RagnarOfTamriel: Ok i have to go but i do vote yes on this topic
 * 20:50:09: The Crusader of Truth: Im getting there, Ashley
 * 20:50:17: The Crusader of Truth: Sorry if that sounds rude
 * 20:50:18: Nekyn Alb: You would have to add, not delete
 * 20:50:19: The Wamasu: I would help as well if i knew how
 * 20:50:19: Flightmare: It's not about the removal.
 * 20:50:25: Flightmare: It's about re-adding them as text.
 * 20:50:30: The Crusader of Truth: I can handle that
 * 20:50:35: Flightmare: Easy for a bot to fail on that part.
 * 20:50:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah yes, that's hard for a bot
 * 20:50:43: Flightmare: (paste it in the wrong part of the article)
 * 20:50:46: The Crusader of Truth: I want to note that Carlo and I have discussed this, and he believes a bot can possibly take care of the task. However, I believe that it would be better if I did it by hand
 * 20:50:56: The Crusader of Truth: Minus Online, like I mentioned
 * 20:51:24: The Crusader of Truth: If an editor would like to help me, I can discuss it with them. However, I know how to correct it all already, and I can easily manage the task. I'm used to bot-like edits
 * 20:51:45: Kora Stormblade: I'll support on this one (+) I personally hate autoleads
 * 20:51:48: Flightmare: One thing we could try is use it by bot and then have a team of highly trained monkeys check all bot edits for potential failed pages
 * 20:51:50: Flightmare: and correct them.
 * 20:51:52: The Wamasu: If y'all teach me how i will help
 * 20:51:57: Flightmare: Is a lot faster than doing it all by hand.
 * 20:52:06: Flightmare: But the bot will fail at some points.
 * 20:52:20: The Crusader of Truth: I personally don't want to do that, on two notes 1) We need to watch the RC, and that will make it harder and 2) Who's going to run the bot?
 * 20:52:31: The Crusader of Truth: If you would like to, thats okay, however Atvelonis is away
 * 20:52:32: Flightmare: You don't need to watch the RC
 * 20:52:39: Flightmare: you will simply check the contributions page of the bot
 * 20:52:58: The Crusader of Truth: We always need to watch the RC, my statement is that it will be harder to see vandalism, unless the bot is tagged
 * 20:52:58: The Cat Master: We will on top of pages that currently have auto leads, as we will have to write the leadd back in. There are some pages such as http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lover_Stone_(Skyrim), that are missing leads, because its infobox had its autolead removed.
 * 20:53:09: Flightmare: KINMUNE is tagged.
 * 20:53:15: The Crusader of Truth: Do you want to use KINMUNE?
 * 20:53:34: Flightmare: I used her to redo all books.
 * 20:53:39: Nekyn Alb: You haven't tagged Akulakhan??
 * 20:53:41: The Wamasu: Brb, just in case i miss it (+)
 * 20:53:42: Flightmare: This won't be too big a chagne.
 * 20:53:52: The Crusader of Truth: Akulak is Atv's bot
 * 20:53:57: The Crusader of Truth: And Atv is away
 * 20:54:07: Nekyn Alb: You had the bot for some time
 * 20:54:11: The Crusader of Truth: If you believe that you can do the edits by bot and check over them, I am happy with that proposal
 * 20:54:22: Flightmare: I'm not sure if his bot is advanced enough for special insertions.
 * 20:54:22: The Crusader of Truth: I have not had access to Akulak
 * 20:54:29: The Crusader of Truth: And no, AWB isn't
 * 20:54:31: Nekyn Alb: I mean the wiki with you
 * 20:54:38: Flightmare: Since it has to be able to understand the page to find the correct point for injection.
 * 20:54:56: The Crusader of Truth: Nekyn, I'm not sure what you mean. But I believe KINMUNE would be the best bot to do this with
 * 20:54:58: Nekyn Alb: You can write all possible variables to edit but that's shitty
 * 20:55:04: Flightmare: I can probably have it edit but I don't have enough time to check all edits for potential failed ones.
 * 20:55:05: Nekyn Alb: probably
 * 20:55:06: The Crusader of Truth: The reason I'm bringing this up is we need to do this sooner than later
 * 20:55:11: The Wamasu: Ok I'm back
 * 20:55:12: The Crusader of Truth: We're making more Online quest pages
 * 20:55:13: Flightmare: So there is where you come in.
 * 20:55:14: The Crusader of Truth: It needs to be done
 * 20:55:34: The Crusader of Truth: Can you get KINMUNE to do the edits before Toesday?
 * 20:55:52: Qahnaarin1997: Sorry, I'm back.
 * 20:55:52: Nekyn Alb: wb
 * 20:55:53: Kora Stormblade: o.
 * 20:55:57: The Crusader of Truth: I can manage checking all of the edits, and welcome back
 * 20:55:58: Qahnaarin1997: Went to go eat.
 * 20:56:03: The cheese lord of nirn: back, sry
 * 20:56:12: Flightmare: I might make tomorrow.
 * 20:56:19: Flightmare: If not then I'll mis out a full week.
 * 20:56:22: The Crusader of Truth: That sounds like a plan
 * 20:56:41: Kora Stormblade: Any more points or disagreements or should we vote then? We have 4-0-0 so far
 * 20:56:42: The Crusader of Truth: As long as if its on a weekend, after toesday. But it really needs to be done soon. We already voted on doing this, after all
 * 20:56:55: Kora Stormblade: ah nvm
 * 20:56:58: Kora Stormblade: whoops xD
 * 20:57:01: The cheese lord of nirn: i abstain as i wasn't here for the cobvo
 * 20:57:20: The Wamasu: Yeah using the bot then proof editing (not sure if that's a thing) sounds benifitial
 * 20:57:21: Flightmare: I'll start with Online
 * 20:57:38: The Crusader of Truth: I would like to ask everyone that isn't here at the moment to please come back
 * 20:57:48: The Crusader of Truth: And for those that are here, sorry I pinged you
 * 20:58:01: The Wamasu: Brb
 * 20:58:03: Nekyn Alb: sometimes I don't even hear pings
 * 20:58:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't think voting is really useful here
 * 20:58:13: Nekyn Alb: I agree, it's good
 * 20:58:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we already agreed that it needs to be done
 * 20:58:21: The Crusader of Truth: So, just go with it?
 * 20:58:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sure, (+)
 * 20:58:32: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:58:34: Flightmare: Yeah it's not really a vote, it's more of a plan to put a previous vote in motion.
 * 20:58:37: The Crusader of Truth: Sounds like a plan to me, Flight, you in?
 * 20:58:38: Kora Stormblade: Even still, the pings are good for any other topics which someone may want to suggest
 * 20:58:44: Kora Stormblade: But is just afk
 * 20:58:47: Flightmare: I'm in the best I can.
 * 20:58:58: The Crusader of Truth: Awesome. Then I don't think we need to vote\
 * 20:58:58: Flightmare: Which isn't my all time best xD
 * 20:59:02: The Crusader of Truth: xD
 * 20:59:04: Flightmare: But I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
 * 20:59:26: The Wamasu: Im back
 * 20:59:51: The Crusader of Truth: Alright, well, since Cat Master is away, I guess I'll take the lead here. Do you guys think I should try to repropose my topic from earlier, or bring it to the forums?
 * 21:00:07: The Crusader of Truth: I am more than willing to do either
 * 21:00:14: The Wamasu: Bring it to the forums
 * 21:00:17: The Cat Master: Im still here
 * 21:00:23: The cheese lord of nirn: forum...
 * 21:00:29: The Crusader of Truth: Then never mind. I apologize
 * 21:00:43: Nekyn Alb: If it is this, we have talked about it: Removing tags from Legends pages and make the infobox text parameter centered
 * 21:01:06: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, that is it. Although I believe more users were confused than anything
 * 21:01:07: The Cat Master: we should discuss it in the forums
 * 21:01:23: The Crusader of Truth: Alright, I will create a forum post about it later tonight.
 * 21:01:32: Flightmare: Since it's two topics at once, complexity is high in this one so do a CT.
 * 21:01:37: Kitanai: I was AFK, I'm sorry.
 * 21:01:41: Kitanai: What have I missed?
 * 21:01:48: Spartanwarriormage: A lot
 * 21:01:51: The Wamasu: Afk?
 * 21:01:55: Flightmare: It's not just about removing
 * 21:01:57: Kitanai: Away from Keyboard
 * 21:02:08: The Crusader of Truth: Flightmare, since I wasn't really aware of the second topic you guys brought up, may you tell me about it? I think Kora didn't quite get what I was saying
 * 21:02:14: Flightmare: AFK is what the people that were in the internet 10 years ago used to say ;)
 * 21:02:20: Flightmare: on*
 * 21:02:28: The Crusader of Truth: Either way, I definitely didnt plan on two legends topics lol
 * 21:02:31: Flightmare: I'll fill it in in the CT thread.
 * 21:02:32: Kora Stormblade: Yea no I didn't, sorry
 * 21:02:42: The Crusader of Truth: It's perfectly fine, Kora
 * 21:02:49: The Crusader of Truth: And thank you, Flightmare
 * 21:03:14: The Crusader of Truth: One more thing, I would like to apologize to everyone about the confusion that happened because of my internet.
 * 21:03:20: Kitanai: It's fine.
 * 21:03:28: The Crusader of Truth: It chose the best timing, thats for sure :)
 * 21:03:36: The cheese lord of nirn: crus, its mad made, and man made fails from time to time, so ur good
 * 21:03:45: Kitanai: >mad made
 * 21:03:45: The Wamasu: Its not your fault man, your ok.
 * 21:03:57: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nature fails from time to time too
 * 21:04:10: The Crusader of Truth: Well, we don't have any more topics, do we?
 * 21:04:17: The Crusader of Truth: Jauffre hasn't showed up
 * 21:04:28: The Wamasu: Well that's it?
 * 21:04:44: The Crusader of Truth: Timeoin, like I expected, doesn't plan on coming back. If anyone has something else to propose that didn't sign up, now's the time
 * 21:04:54: The cheese lord of nirn: i do have one thing
 * 21:05:09: The Wamasu: What?
 * 21:05:09: The cheese lord of nirn: but i think its a job for wiki staff, I'm not sure
 * 21:05:25: The Crusader of Truth: Well, I don't think anyone will stop you
 * 21:05:37: Kitanai: What is it?
 * 21:05:39: The cheese lord of nirn: but is there a way we can talk to certain members without having to use their talk page
 * 21:05:46: The Crusader of Truth: No, not realy
 * 21:05:48: The Crusader of Truth: *really
 * 21:05:52: Nekyn Alb: No and they won't implement it
 * 21:05:57: The Crusader of Truth: Outside of PM in chat, you need to use another site
 * 21:06:06: The cheese lord of nirn: tahst what i was thinking
 * 21:06:12: The Crusader of Truth: And yes, that's definitely Wikia stuff, not us
 * 21:06:17: Nekyn Alb: I read a discussion with fandom staff about that once
 * 21:06:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we can't really create tools for this kind of communication
 * 21:06:24: The Wamasu: Might as well do it now while everyone is here
 * 21:06:36: Kitanai: Outside of chat I don't think so.
 * 21:06:43: The Wamasu: Asking the question i mean
 * 21:06:59: The Crusader of Truth: Yeah, true
 * 21:07:07: Kitanai: Or just use email.
 * 21:07:15: The Crusader of Truth: Cat Master left, so I'm guessing we're done. Anyone else have a proposal?
 * 21:07:20: Kitanai: If it was an important enough topic, some people email users.
 * 21:07:28: The Crusader of Truth: Going once
 * 21:07:32: The Crusader of Truth: Twice
 * 21:07:36: The Crusader of Truth: Sold
 * 21:07:47: ShawnCognitionCP: back
 * 21:07:47: Nekyn Alb: Can I post dick pics on the mainspace?
 * 21:07:51: The Crusader of Truth: I believe this moot is officially over.