User blog comment:Zippertrain85/Why the Stormcloaks are right part 2/@comment-9156240-20130604214324/@comment-9062114-20130605015959

1: Right after you kill Ulfric in the Imperial questline Tullius says that Brunwulf Free-Winter should be the new Jarl. Literally right after Ulfric's death. It doesn't make sense how he would know that. For the reasons I explained. Maven does support the Empire and the Thalmor. You can see her at the party in Diplomatic Immunity. She says that she does business with them. Her son also has an Imperial banner in his prison cell. She's not a good Jarl at all, she's the main reason why corruption exists in Riften. Now she has all the power.

If you had five soldiers to spare would you attack some bandits who killed one or two Dunmer, or some bandits who attacked a whole town (full of other races, not just nords)? Again, Ulfric must go under the mentality of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Argonians can enter the city, just not live in it. The Khajiit can also enter, just not the caravans and that applies with both Stormcloak and Imperial cities. So Ulfric is not racist. Rolff is entitled to an opinion, it's a basic right. Even if it's a racist opinion, it's still an opinion no less.

2: That's completely ridiculous. Bethesda wants to make stuff sound like real life where you hear different things. Think about who is saying it, and what they're saying. Alvor is a blacksmith in Riverwood. How would he know this? And what he's saying doesn't add up to reality? Just like in real life you hear some things like that, are all of them true? No! And this probably isn't ether. This is an extremly illiogical way to look at the civil war.

Are you kidding me? When a hold supports the Stormcloaks they succeed from the Empire into the Stormcloaks. You notice their are no Imperial soldiers in those Holds? Because it isn't part of the Empire, therefor Talos worship is not illegal. I told you it's probably for clearing the Reach for the Nords. Not for worshipping. They just want to end worship of Talos. Numerous people (even Thalmor) acknowledge his existence, they just don't want him worshipped.

3: I will remember it, but I just wanted to say the Nord aren't the bad guys in this situation really. Just like 80.216 said, they might have tried to reason with them and that the Dwemer are mostly responsible for their destruction.

4: I define a good king as someone who knows what they're doing for one. If you don't know how to succeed from the Empire, you don't really know what you're doing. Ulfric does help the other races. Torygg has years to get make a plan. Even though Ulfric was in jail his ideas were probably talked about at the time. So if he knew his ideas and had years to prepare, why wouldn't he? Maybe because he was not going to succeed.

6: What are you triyng to argue/debate with this point?

Not really. It's more like Galmar is to Tullius and Ulfric is to Titus Mede II. It still does show he goes out and fights.

If he had tried to attack them he would've instantly been killed. Atleast submitting he had somewhat of a chance to survive, more then just getting killed instatly. Yes, he probably didn't know a Dragon would come but he must've known he had MORE of a chance to survive if he submitted then if he fought and was killed.

You've got to be kidding me. He was a prisoner, and the Imperials have all the resources. He probably didn't know where anything was or where to go, he doesn't own Falkreath hold, therefor can not hold Helgen. The only one making a weak point here is you.