Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-24075086-20150528033908

College Mage: Ferris wrote: Phantasys wrote: Ottoman Hold wrote: That is a point I somewhat forgot about. To add on, If the Stormcloaks continued to be dominant over the native elves if they won the war, then the elves in Skyrim may think "It would be better to join our own kind than to face this disgrace." Added to Thalmor agents stirring things up, the Stomrcloaks could face a second Civil War, which they, this time, may or may not win. Since the Stormcloaks lost many of their forces in the Civil War, and the native elves did not really participate in the war, there is a good chance that the elves may win, and the Aldmeri Dominion will most likely support the elves' side. Adding that in, the elves may take over. They will either join the Dominion or be dominated, since the Dominion's numbers and combat skills will prevail. Lets just say that racism could lead to downfall. Problem is most elves that don't have their heads up their asses are treated fairly in pretty much all of Skyrim (even Windhelm as the non-refugees are treated like any other member of the community). There's also the fact that the elven population in Skyrim isn't nearly significant enough to win a war against the military of Skyrim. The empire is really corrupt, many of its nobles are in the Dominion's payroll. If the empire wins then the corruption will continue to grow and pretty soon there will be enough corrupt nobles to just hand over ALL the provinces over to the AD.

The empire has lost all the trust of its provinces, that is a proven FACT. Literally no province will be willing to rejoin the empire. "Remember those guys who we served with loyalty and they sold us out when it was convenient? Let's go back to them!" Said nobody ever.

The corrupt empire WILL fall sooner or later as it is clearly mirroring Rome in its last days, anyone that denys this is just delusional. Whoa Whoa, hold a moment... You can't end your argument with a blanket statement like "Anyone that denies this is just delusional" when your own argument includes saying both elves are treated fine AND that the Empire is so corrupt that it's nobles are all in the AD pockets. Where are the facts to these statements? I have not yet come accross any information that would suggest the Empire is just corrupt and on the payroll of the Dominion. If you could, please clarify what you mean by Corruption within the nobles. Even the most corrupt person in Skyrim (Maven Black-Briar) shows no signs of alliance towards the Dominion. The most corruption within the Empire I see regularly is infighting for control over more power, but the same could be said with Ulfric murdering the High King...

For losing trust within the Provinces, I assume you mean Hammerfell, but thats the only one where trust was really LOST. And even that isnt totally the Empire's fault, their hands were tied, and Hammerfell (rightfully) didnt want to lose any more land, and continued the fight, had the Empire condoned the actions, they would have had to continue the Great War and possibly lose the White Tower. The Empire lost that war, when you lose in a war, you dont get to decide the terms of surrender. They're Lucky the Dominion didn't "alter the deal" as it were. Morrowind was lost due in part of the Oblivion Crisis and the Argonians just deciding to fight the Dunmer, The Empire had no loss of trust with either of them, they just didnt have any way to stop it from happening since it had it's own problems to deal with. Morrowind could easily come back into the fold, once it recovers. The problem there is just that they wont recover in time. High Rock is still part of the Empire, and if you side with the Empire so is Skyrim. As I mentioned before, Hammerfell has lost land to Skyrim, theres a town half owned by Skyrim and half owned by Hammerfell, The Empire could use that as a bargining chip during negotiations offering back Lands they lost in exchange for an alliance (Not the same as joining the Empire but its a start)

The Empire may not be what it once was, but why is it everyone seems to think just because it's not a Septim sitting on the Throne, suddenly it's corrupt, weak, and dishonorable? They've already dishonored themselves beyond redemption by denying TALOS. Tell me...when was the last time in the Elder Scrolls world that denying your patron god and scorning him ended well? The empire publicly denounced and sold out their god, divine providence would not be in their favor.

"The rot runs deep in the empire. Some days it makes me want to join the Stormcloaks"-General Tullius. Even the empire's chief asskisser sent to oppress Skyrim admits that the empire is corrupt.

If you think there's no hard feelings between the Empire and Morrowind then you're even more delusional than I thought. If you speak to Adril Arano then you'd understand the empire's name with the Dunmer is mud right about now, they clearly speak of the empire as oppressors and the Hlaalu clan as traitors that sold them out.

High Rock is home to merchants primarily...I doubt they're happy with the imperial debt and taxes draining them, and once Skyrim is liberated it'll cut off the Empire from High Rock and the Bretons will take that chance to throw off the dead weight.

So Imperial position on winning back hammerfell is to sell out Skyrim like they tried to do Hammerfell? That's sleazy and disgusting...though apropriate considering sleazy and disgusting represents the empire perfectly.

The empire has a legion stationed in Skyrim to force imperial interests, that legion does not represent the will of Skyrim's people. The Stormcloaks are a completely volunteer army with each and every soldier being a willing recruit. The majority of Skyrim's people support the Stormcloaks as the legion consists of both volunteers and conscripted soldiers brought there from Cyrodil while the Stormcloaks are just as numerous but are completely made up from volunteers.

The Empire is clearly showing all the symptoms of a nation in its deathbed. TALOS predicted this two games ago and it's about to come true.