User talk:GreyFox06



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 * --Rupuzioks (talk) 14:34, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Quest stages
Hi, thanks for your edit to the "Unbound" page. Just remember to format quest journals like the one on "A Blade in the Dark" when adding quest stages. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 23:34, November 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * Adding onto this: the quest stages are really supposed to be centered, and everything else formatted just how it is on the quest I linked above (you're not always formatting the ID!!Journal bit correctly, nor centering the values). Another thing to note is that the quest objectives in the Creation Kit do not necessarily line up with the quest stages (e.g. on Prophet (Vampire), they are not in the correct stages). The way we should really be recording objectives is more like, "Objective 1234: Speak with the leader of the Dawnguard," although I have not put this into the style and formatting guide yet. It would be prudent to format it this way regardless. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:27, February 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * All values are now centered for Journal IDs. —GreyFox06 (talk) 02:54, February 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Good to hear! Thank you for fixing that. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:28, February 16, 2018 (UTC)

Source Editor
Hey, I notice that you've been using Wikia's "VisualEditor" to edit. This causes a lot of formatting issues in articles, which have to be cleaned up later by our patrollers. One of these, it seems, is automatically placing variables of collapsible tables in an undesirable order; I can fix this particular inconsistency with my bot, but it still takes time away from other tasks that need to be done.

To avoid this, I'd suggest that you set your default editor to the Source Editor via the "Editing" tab of Special:Preferences. Source has fewer bugs, more features, and it teaches you the fundamentals of editing better. The code-like layout can seem confusing at first, but it's not super hard to learn; I have a guide on it here, and you can always ask staff for help or post on the wiki's Discord channel. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 01:23, February 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey, I usually do use the Source Editor when editing articles but do occasionally use the Visual Editor for small text edits out of convenience. I'll be sure to use the Source Editor for future contributions. Thanks. — GreyFox06 (talk) 04:42, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Dialogue formatting
Good work with the "A Night to Remember" page! Just a heads up, the first usage of player dialogue should usually be indented one notch if an NPC says an introductory quote in the same  container, such as this. I hope you'll continue to add dialogue to articles, that sort of thing is very useful to readers. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 21:12, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Table formatting
Hey GreyFox. Regarding your edits today, unfortunately a large number of them have to be undone, because adding such tables to the bug section should only be done only if the list is long enough. Sections with only 2 or even 6 bullet points are not big enough to need something like this, they were fine as they were.

In case you may want to add any kind of table in the future, also remember to close it, by putting  at the end. You can see the execution at the bottom of the bug list in this page, if you go into source mode. Ask away if you have any further questions. —Rozty (talk) 19:55, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

Quest pages
Just a heads up, you shouldn't use a quote from the journal at the top of a quest article with Quote. You can use the first journal quote (no others) in a blockquote in a ==Background== section instead. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:22, November 8, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox variable order
Hi GreyFox, good work with the edits lately. When you are adding a caption to an image in the infobox, please do not add it to the last line; it should go right underneath the image to which it is being applied. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 17:29, November 27, 2018 (UTC)

Image uploads
Hey GreyFox, when uploading images please do not directly take them from the UESP. It is strictly not allowed and anything copied from the site will be deleted immediately. If you found them will searching for images online, be aware that you must first track the source of the image and, as long as it's not from UESP, include it in the file's summary when you want to upload it here. Since we need to attribute the original uploader, it is very important that you understand where the images you choose to add are coming from.

However, I would still advise against looking for images that are already on the internet. Instead, I'd urge you to take your own screenshots from the game and uploading those here. Relying too much on pictures that were found online is something that should be avoided since we would not be featuring our own content as the TES wiki, but the work of others.

On another note, categories like the ones you added on the Kinlady Ilunsare image (Category:Summerset: Characters or Category:Online: Females) are not used on pictures, they are intended for the articles only. Including both Category:Summerset: Character Images and Category:Online: Character Images is also redundant in this case, just the former would do. Another thing to add, on the image upload page you can find a link to pre-filled templates for most of the image types one would upload, so it would not be necessary to add any extra categories afterward. If you have any questions please ask away. Rozty (talk) 08:37, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox variables
Hi GreyFox, good work with the quest pages. When you're editing an article infobox, if you want to remove content from a specific variable like you're doing here, please just leave the argument blank instead of removing the entire line. I rely on infoboxes having all variables to do maintenance with my bot, so removing them slows down any infobox-related tasks significantly. It also means that new editors might not even know how to fill in a missing variable later on, if the option to do so isn't even there. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 18:00, January 8, 2019 (UTC)

Line break
Hello, there's no need to remove the spaces in line breaks as you did here earlier. is the proper HTMl5 format;  (this not working doesn't make sense, but whatever) and especially   don't always display properly on all browsers, especially older ones. So try to just use the first format in the future. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 04:09, January 31, 2019 (UTC)


 * To clarify, you aren't escaping the  in   with the slash. It's a self-closing tag, so you should use a forward slash, not a backlash . And if you want to link to a section on a page you're already on, you don't need to include the pagename: e.g. on "The Shill Job" you can just do   for the piped link.


 * One other thing: we do typically try to avoid excessively reusing links in articles, especially within the same infobox, but image captions are a weird exception here. Most people skim over or ignore captions and look right at the infobox's data-based parameters. You can include a caption link if you really want, but it should never cancel out another link in the infobox. —Atvelonis (talk) 18:59, February 14, 2019 (UTC)

Image reuploads
Hello again, if you're going to edit out a quest marker like you did with the "Locate the Assassin of Old.png" file, you have to upload your edited image as a new version of the existing file, not as a separate upload. This preserves the edit/upload history of the file. If you go to the file in question and look under the "File History" tab, there will be a button that allows you to reupload easily. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 05:02, January 31, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Online abilities pages
Hi, sorry for the late response. is used in situations where the quote would collide with the infobox, but would not extend below it (in which case a regular blockquote would be used). Personally I don't think a description section is necessary on skill articles, since OnlineSkills has a  variable in the infobox already. The template also has a  variable which you can use for the level requirement (it goes between   and  ), although it seems to be missing from many articles for some reason.

The "Morphs" section should have the most up-to-date information; the "Updates" section is used to provide a history of changes to the skills over time and should have everything. I'm not sure what you mean by guides/recommendations; you can't give your own opinions on the encyclopedia, although it wouldn't hurt to have explanations on how the skills are used. I'm afraid I don't know of any "gold standard" for ESO skill pages; they could use a lot of work, honestly. I've been meaning to do some cleanup with them for a long time now, but I keep getting sidetracked. :P —Atvelonis (talk) 01:14, February 5, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. If there is no objection, I will get around to editing some ability articles to remove the 'Description' and 'Requirements' sections and detail them in the infobox appropriately if missing. I've seen some articles in which updates have been placed in the 'Morphs' section so, again if there is no objection, I will migrate update information in the 'Updates' section and morph details in the 'Morph' section.


 * By "guides/recommendations" I mean details on how the ability affects and is affected by game mechanics, for example: stating that it is inadvisable to use abilities or sets that both apply major/minor fracture since effects don't stack (surprise attack and night mother's gaze), or how quickly and effectively abilities can be animation cancelled - nothing that would violate rules and guidelines pertaining to neutrality and impartiality. Again, thanks for the info.


 * Grey Fox (talk) 02:35, February 5, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Banner image
Hello, I saw your message to Atvelonis. The banner is changed already, you might need to clear your browser's cache to see the difference. --Rupuzioks (talk) 15:36, March 1, 2019 (UTC)


 * No change. I suppose I'm just insane. Thanks anyway.


 * Grey Fox (talk) 15:54, March 1, 2019 (UTC)


 * Does Ctrl+F5 not fix it? The way we change it is by literally reuploading an image every year. Currently it doesn't have the Christmas theme. If the issue persists, perhaps send a report to Special:Contact/bug. —Atvelonis (talk) 17:07, March 1, 2019 (UTC)


 * No change after reload or cache clear. Also on other browsers. I'll make a report. Thanks. - Grey Fox (talk) 17:11, March 1, 2019 (UTC)

Quotes
Hi, typically in a journal entry blockquote there's no need to use quotation marks around the content as you did here. It should also be italicized so that there is more contrast between the journal content and the background. So no need to change that. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:08, March 2, 2019 (UTC)