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Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Sports72Xtrm wrote: Ulfric is a true Nord. Shor himself showed his favor by elevating his soul to Sovngaurd at the time of his death. As for his other followers, they may not be saints but they're not letting Thalmor occupy their palaces, letting the elves hunt their own kind, and their power for better or worse, was earned. The Silverbloods are the richest family in Markarth, and can command power. Even without being Jarl, the Silverbloods were able to have the guard arrest you during the Forsworn Conspiracy while Igmund is afraid to act against them because they own Markarth. Fool is a weak leader who lets the Thalmor do as they please. Laila whatever her faults, isn't an Ulfric sycophant and does what she does because she's sensible and sees the lesser evil. And compared to Maven, Laila is the lesser evil. And as I said, they aren't accomplices to Talos hunters like the Empire. "Ulfric is a true Nord" He's a Nord who died in battle. That's why he goes to Sovngarde, "a Nord is not remembered for the way he lived, but the way he died" -A Dream of Sovngarde.

Really now? Rulindil was making a fine patrol through the Ratway, Ancano is having a nice cozy stay at the College as well. Either you're claiming that the Stormcloak border security is terrible (wouldn't surprise me, looking at Shor's Watchtower and the fact that the Imperials are massacring them) or you're just spreading lies. Their power was earned? Really now? What did the Silver-Bloods do? They didn't fight, they only collaborated with the Forsworn and force people to hand over mines, is that what you consider "earning" your place?

Oh right, bribing, that's such a good trait for a Jarl to have, to keep your own guards corrupt, yeah, no, great jarl...

Sees the lesser evil? Pah! No she doesn't, her vision is clouded by ignorance. Or are you going to claim that Thalmor hunting for an old man in your sewers isn't the "lesser evil"?

How is Laila the lesser evil? Laila only cares for saving her own hide, I'm yet to hear Maven say that she'd "have a carriage prepared because she should be saved before her people". 1."Fate drives you, but you follow your own path. Choose wisely, lest you wander into evil." [Jurgen Windcaller]] "My disciples still follow the difficult path - the Way of the Voice is neither wide, nor easy. But if you stray from wisdom then to Sovngarde you will not return." -Jurgen Windcaller "Sovngarde, Shor told him, can be entered by any Nord who dies valiantly in honorable combat."-Sovngarde, a Reexamination Evil men are denied entry into Sovngarde, thus Ulfric is not an evil man.

2.Well they have had their hands full with fighting the Empire meaning to subjugate them and the dragons attacking their holds, I think it's understandable if there is a lot on their plate. As for the Silverbloods, yes they got rich, their enemies were intimidated into getting them rich, and the Forsworn were their bitches. YES THAT'S WHAT I CALL BEING A BOSS, EARNING POWER. What? you think Mother Teresa is the exemplar of what it means to be a strong leader? No. It's the ability to get what you want and destroy your enemies.

As for the Ratway, nobody could fight there because lots of crazy people kill you down there. Why do you think Esbern chose it to hide. Thieve's Guild, crazy homeless, Esbern, if the Thalmor think they can survive down there that's on them, but they'd be dead if they went to the surface of Riften.