Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-71.91.107.58-20140401194503/@comment-24590102-20140403093235

Coppermantis wrote: Smoking.Chimp wrote: Dare I suggest that the Romans had already developed the idea of universal suffrage some 2000 years before it was first tabled in a non-Roman parliament. If we consider the Empire of Tamriel to be a comparable state then, it is quite conceivable that the necessary conversion from a monarchy to a republic would also result in a mix of states which are either federated within the republic or confederated to the republic as independent territories. I think that's happened before too.

The struggle against people who would oppose the new system could be a key feature and I think the Thalmor would try to swing things away from the new reforms with lots of cloak and dagger action. This could make for a very interesting episode - and would set the stage for very satisfying, "Sorry, but this treaty is between you and the Empire, which no longer exists." conclusion. :^)

I've always been fond of the Empire, but I think it would make a better Republic  :^) A republic would be cool, but given the current political climate in Tamriel, any unified continent-wide government would not be something I'd expect many provinces to support given the strong "independence" culture developing in many locations. Morrowind, Hammerfell, Skyrim, and Black Marsh have all recently gained or fought for independence, and to join together in a Republic, even one with universal enfranchisement, would not be a popular move. I feel like the leaders of the various countries would rather retain total sovereignty than deal with the difficulties and issues of joining together.

In addition to the obvious logistical problems, there would be the Thalmor issue you mention. Interestingly, that conclusion was one that America tried on France after the Revolution--"Listen, we promised to pay you guys for your help, but now that the old government doesn't exist anymore, we don't have to." Somehow, I don't think that the Thalmor would be ones to accept such a claim. Well, if the Thalmor really want to deal with the Empire, the Empire does owe them quite a spectacular debt. And I think it would make a strangely appropriate send-off for the Thalmor Justiciars.

But seriously, when the Empire's dissolved - it's gone and along with it all prior treaty obligations. But I agree with you that the Thalmor won't accept any of this. After all, I am cerain they have an agenda of their own. Irrespective, whether the new government reinstates the treaty is not the Thalmor's call to make.

In America's case, I don't think the dissolution of government argument could have worked so well given that the French would have negotiated the agreement with the provisional government or government to be - as opposed to the old government which the revolution disssolved. But other issues come into play as well. People seceding from a treaty-bound government cannot be bound by that treaty themselves because the whole point of their secession is that they are no longer part of the country or its obligations - just as is the point of immigration. So the government which emerges from the secession is, likewise, a foreign government born without obligations other than those drafted into its bill of rights, constitution or articles of association as dictated by agreement among the secessionists.

In fact, I think Hammerfell got the ball rolling in the right direction here. If the other provinces were to secede from the Empire and ally themselves together under a confederacy, the Thalmor still won't accept it. However, if secessions flow in the correct order, any Thalmor troops deployed will be cut off from supply by the next seceding province. And when the dust settles, there is no more Empire and no more White-Gold Concordat. But, there is still space for the natural progress into republics within provinces which have reached that point in their historical and cultural development - and, of course, the disunity sowed by the White-Gold Concordat would be largely undone.