Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-186.215.22.127-20130215011559/@comment-6707115-20140217173910

Stuhn wrote: Sevonis wrote: Tiber Septim, also called Talos or Hjalti, was born in Atmora and therefore is Nedic. By the way ,all human races are descended from Nedes. Allow me to explain.

1. Atmorans came to Tamriel (Mereth, as they called it, hence the Merethic Era) and reproduced and reproduced and reproduced.

2. Their many, many children moved to different areas. some slept with the mer races and became Bretons, some moved south and became the Imperials, and the ones that stayed in Skyrim became the Nords. Et cetera.

Note: The Redguards are actually from Yokuda, which is gone now. No. Nords =/= Nedes =/= Atmorans.

1. Nedes

The ancestors of men all lived in Atmora (except the Redguards). They slowly started to trickle back to mainland Tamriel over hundreds of years, becoming dispersed, and falling under rulership of the Elves, they were not a united or powerful people. They moved into modern day Highrock, mingled with the Aldmer living there and became the Bretons. They moved into modern day Cyrodiil, fell under rulership of the Ayleidoon and became the Cyro-Nedics, or the base of the Imperial race. These were the Nedes. They were primitive, lived in small, seperate communities and were not at all powerful.

2. Atmorans

The Atmorans are the ancestors of the Nords. They came as a group, under Ysgramor, and stayed united, conquering themselves a territory - Skyrim. They DIDN'T fall under Elven ruleship. They DIDN'T disperse and become seperate communities. They STAYED united. They OWNED a kingdom. They were powerful and prosperous.

In regard to the race of Hjalti, since Talos is 3 people and Tiber Septim is 2 I presume we're talking about Hjalti, he is:

A) A Nord, who was raised in Skyrim and did some training in Alcaire.

OR

B) A Breton who moved to Skyrim in his youth.

He wasn't from Atmora, that's Imperial bull.

The coming from Atmora is Tiber Septim and Wulfharth of Atmora (Ancient High King of Skyrim, the Underking, author of the Arcturian Heresy, Breath of Kyne, last man to come from Atmora, and known as Ysmir by the Nords before Talos/ Tiber Septim also became Ysmir). Both wielded the thu'um and were known as Ysmir, so the confusion in Talos' origins seem to be more historical confusion and collective amnesia. Since Wulfharth has for the most part been forgotten in Skyrim, I'd say traits of both Tiber Septim and Wulfharth were combined over time. Wulfharth did mention in his book that he tried to not be seen during the Talosian Wars for fear of it seeming that Talos was in more than one place at a time (or being confused with him).