The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 July 18


 * 00:06:49: Cheatcodechamp: Atve has the floor
 * 00:07:28: Atvelonis: Yeah. So I'd ask that everyone wait to talk until I'm done presenting this topic, then we can discuss all we like.
 * 00:08:29: Atvelonis: So a few days ago I had this idea: perhaps users who make extensive interwiki edits should have their own highlight, to separate them from other users in Recent Changes.
 * 00:09:24: SuperSajuuk: eh, that seems a little bit pointless.
 * 00:09:27: Atvelonis: If you make a couple of interwiki edits you wouldn't be eligible for it, I was thinking if you make 250 and are currently active you would get it.
 * 00:09:34: Atvelonis: Sajuuk, sshh
 * 00:09:37: Atvelonis: Not done
 * 00:09:41: SuperSajuuk: sorry, it's slow, my apologies...
 * 00:10:29: Atvelonis: The only thing these people do while editing is add interwiki links (which is quite good).
 * 00:11:07: Atvelonis: As such I usually waste a fair amount of time each day in recent changes looking over their edits, which I know are just interwiki links.
 * 00:11:53: Atvelonis: If there was some sort of indication that this is their job, it might make things a little quicker for the rest of us.
 * 00:12:00: Atvelonis: Ideas?
 * 00:12:05: Cheatcodechamp: Floor is open
 * 00:12:37: Cheatcodechamp: You have a color in mind atve?
 * 00:12:50: Atvelonis: Not yet, that was something I wanted the moot to decide on
 * 00:13:03: SuperSajuuk: well as I said above, that seems a bit pointless. There are many interlanguage editors on Wikia and it would only serve to confuse editors into believing they are a staff member or give undue prominence to such minor edits
 * 00:13:07: JurassicGirl: Purple seems like a good color.
 * 00:13:14: Atvelonis: Purple is for bots
 * 00:13:16: Cheatcodechamp: I was thinking white
 * 00:13:33: SuperSajuuk: it would give the unnecessary illusion that people only get recognised for posting iw links
 * 00:13:39: JurassicGirl: Okay. Not purple.
 * 00:13:56: SuperSajuuk: you could always just add a tag through the usertags script to identify them, but many of them come and go
 * 00:14:10: Atvelonis: Well, it doesn't necessarily have to be a highlight
 * 00:14:11: SuperSajuuk: there is never any consistency to most of them, it's just whoever happens across a similar page that adds the links.
 * 00:14:28: Atvelonis: I see the same names a lot
 * 00:14:34: Atvelonis: WFlash, PCata, Lincoln
 * 00:14:36: Atvelonis: And others
 * 00:14:42: SuperSajuuk: sometimes, in some communities, it tends to be the same people though
 * 00:15:00: SuperSajuuk: but using highlights is a bad idea. I don't think it's really necessary to give prominence to interwiki edits.
 * 00:15:38: JurassicGirl: I would actually like to see the interwiki edits.
 * 00:15:39: SuperSajuuk: anyone could do them, they're not that difficult as long as there's a link. there's also the fact they are sporadic and only added whenever the non-English wiki has translated a page
 * 00:15:57: Atvelonis: As I said it doesn't have to be a highlight. Just anything that lets people recognize that it's an interwiki user.
 * 00:16:00: Atvelonis: Eh, not really
 * 00:16:06: Atvelonis: A lot of the time they create pages by category
 * 00:16:08: SuperSajuuk: @JurassicGirl: There's nothing to see at all
 * 00:16:27: Atvelonis: @JurassicGirl: They're just links to the wiki in other languages
 * 00:16:42: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/index.php?title=Weakness_to_Fire&diff=1931871&oldid=1885119
 * 00:16:46: Cheatcodechamp: It looks like this
 * 00:16:53: SuperSajuuk: I don't have much of an opinion, but whatever the outcome, simply try to avoid giving unnecessary prominence to the edits.
 * 00:17:05: SuperSajuuk: they are nothing more than link fix style edits, aka maintenance.
 * 00:17:08: Cheatcodechamp: They create a small link that takes editors to the same page in a counterpart
 * 00:17:21: Atvelonis: It's essentially adding a new page to the wiki
 * 00:17:24: Atvelonis: Imo we are all one big wiki
 * 00:17:28: JurassicGirl: Doesn't mean I can't read them or my friends cant. But I get yiur point.
 * 00:17:31: SuperSajuuk: (not like very many people likely click the iw links lol)
 * 00:17:53: SuperSajuuk: @JurassicGirl: the interlanguage links only serve to allow people who don't speak English as a first language to find the content in their native language
 * 00:17:59: Atvelonis: No one you've seen because they're on the other wikis
 * 00:18:05: Atvelonis: They have communities too
 * 00:18:09: SuperSajuuk: I know that.
 * 00:18:14: SuperSajuuk: I have browsed non-English wiki's lol
 * 00:18:25: Atvelonis: A google search will almost certainly bring up this wiki first
 * 00:18:36: SuperSajuuk: even if I don't contribute to them. problem is that non-English wiki's somehow tend to have very large communities compared to English wiki's lol
 * 00:18:48: Atvelonis: Why is that a problem?
 * 00:19:03: JurassicGirl: I still have friends that can speak english but can't read it.
 * 00:19:07: SuperSajuuk: not saying it is, I just sometimes start sentences with the word, not implying it is
 * 00:19:19: Atvelonis: Ah
 * 00:19:27: JurassicGirl: Im just gonna stop. Hard to keep up on a nook.
 * 00:19:28: SuperSajuuk: writing quirk ;)
 * 00:19:44: Cheatcodechamp: you not near a computer?
 * 00:20:18: JurassicGirl: No. Laptop is shared in this house and is away at the moment.
 * 00:20:48: Atvelonis: hey flight
 * 00:20:48: Flightmare: place them in your personal css
 * 00:20:54: Cheatcodechamp: Cool, flight is here
 * 00:20:56: Atvelonis: Hmm?
 * 00:20:59: Flightmare: or you could make a central file people could import
 * 00:21:13: Cheatcodechamp: So, do we want to vote on this, or take it to CT?
 * 00:21:13: Flightmare: the additional colours :)
 * 00:21:18: Atvelonis: Flight I'm pretty much css-illiterate so you'd probably have to do that for me
 * 00:21:28: Flightmare: ok
 * 00:21:29: SuperSajuuk: o.o
 * 00:21:55: Atvelonis: Did not think of that
 * 00:21:56: SuperSajuuk: lemme guess.. Flight's been watching this convo through Kinmune xD
 * 00:22:16: Flightmare: I was checking for errors
 * 00:22:16: Cheatcodechamp: Our numbers are pretty thin this week, I think we should be careful about making changes
 * 00:22:24: Flightmare: before I go to sleep
 * 00:22:35: Flightmare: which I should be doing right now as I'm totally sleep drunk
 * 00:22:45: SuperSajuuk: xD
 * 00:22:58: Cheatcodechamp: Well get some sleep, see you later man. thanks for joining
 * 00:22:58: Atvelonis: I think the CSS idea could work out Flight. I can message you about that later if you're going to sleep.
 * 00:23:08: Flightmare: yeah msg me
 * 00:23:17: Flightmare: enjoy the meeting
 * 00:23:18: Flightmare: bye
 * 00:23:19: Atvelonis: Alright bye
 * 00:23:30: SuperSajuuk: @CCC: Honestly, unless there's loads of members of the community in the chat, the moot should really be more about collating opinions and then posting them in a thread so those who don't show up / can't join the moot can give their opinion without feeling left out
 * 00:23:33: SuperSajuuk: at least imo
 * 00:24:10: Cheatcodechamp: We have been handling small matters in here, the first few had more numbers, but we can bring that up during my turn
 * 00:24:23: Atvelonis: I have one more thing too
 * 00:24:26: Atvelonis: It's smaller
 * 00:24:31: SuperSajuuk: I mean, really REALLY minor things that don't warrant a thread can be done without a thread though
 * 00:24:33: SuperSajuuk: *shuts up*
 * 00:25:02: Atvelonis: I created a template the other day,, that links to The Elder Scrolls article
 * 00:25:18: Atvelonis: It works like the or  etc. templates
 * 00:25:52: Atvelonis: So if you do it comes up as The Elder Scrolls but if you do  it comes up as just TES
 * 00:26:23: Atvelonis: So I wanted to know if a) you guys think we should use it and b) if so, do you have any changes that you think should be made?
 * 00:26:30: Atvelonis: What
 * 00:26:34: Cheatcodechamp: What would we use it for?
 * 00:26:45: SuperSajuuk: I'd assume for the same reasons that is used
 * 00:26:52: SuperSajuuk: simply so people don't need to do the proper link format
 * 00:26:53: Atvelonis: Yeah, Sajuuk's right
 * 00:26:58: SuperSajuuk: in the case of skyrim, it makes sense
 * 00:27:01: Atvelonis: It's quicker and saves space
 * 00:27:15: SuperSajuuk: but just looks a bit redundant, as someone could assume it's referring to the wiki.
 * 00:27:36: SuperSajuuk: you'd almost certainly need to make use of a bot to change all the links if you were to implement such a thing... but you have no bot xD
 * 00:27:48: SuperSajuuk: so it'd have to be manually done, which would take a long time for probably little gain.
 * 00:28:15: SuperSajuuk: I don't believe there has been an instance where the abbreviation "TES" has been used in a wiki article though.
 * 00:28:52: Atvelonis: Yeah, I know, you would probably only use that in less formal situations such as your userpage
 * 00:28:59: Atvelonis: But the links aren't a huge issue
 * 00:29:10: SuperSajuuk: it's almost always written in the full link, never abbreviated (it's just abbreviated by the community in general conversation because anyone contributing in chat or forums knows what TES means, but unknown readers won't know what it means
 * 00:29:11: SuperSajuuk: true
 * 00:29:43: SuperSajuuk: not sure when my turn will be for talking in this moot tho... xD
 * 00:29:51: Atvelonis: After CCC
 * 00:29:54: SuperSajuuk: okay
 * 00:30:01: Cheatcodechamp: I have some quick issues, then you
 * 00:30:02: SuperSajuuk: well, I can't be on chat for anything longer than the next 30 mins
 * 00:30:22: Cheatcodechamp: Then I can hurry...or take my time...not sure yet
 * 00:30:32: Atvelonis: If you want to present now it can't hurt
 * 00:30:46: Cheatcodechamp: Im ok with that, if he is ready now
 * 00:30:50: SuperSajuuk: okay then :P
 * 00:30:55: Atvelonis: Well
 * 00:31:04: Atvelonis: We didn't make a decision about the template yet
 * 00:31:22: Cheatcodechamp: I say (Y)
 * 00:31:29: Atvelonis: So do we want to keep it? Obviously, changes can be made to it if we want
 * 00:31:43: JurassicGirl: Yes
 * 00:31:47: SuperSajuuk: (Y), seems useful.
 * 00:31:50: Cheatcodechamp: there we go
 * 00:31:51: KINMUNE: Hello there, DaedraBorn101!
 * 00:31:53: SuperSajuuk: :P
 * 00:31:55: Atvelonis: And a (y) from me as well of course
 * 00:31:57: Atvelonis: hey daedra
 * 00:32:00: SuperSajuuk: Kinmune, shhhhh xD
 * 00:32:01: DaedraBorn101: Sup
 * 00:32:02: Cheatcodechamp: SS, since you have to leave, whats you got?
 * 00:32:10: QueenFinelia: hi DaedraBorn101 :3
 * 00:32:13: DaedraBorn101: Hai
 * 00:32:20: DaedraBorn101: Kinmunes the bot, rite?
 * 00:32:23: SuperSajuuk: well, the things I had to mention were more on the technical side of things, but they might as well be brought up
 * 00:32:45: SuperSajuuk: I looked at the wiki wide js file (MediaWiki:Common.js) and it's a mess
 * 00:33:27: SuperSajuuk: (no idea if this is something to be brought up at the moot though)
 * 00:34:04: Atvelonis: If it's pertaining to MediaWiki only syspos can do anything about it
 * 00:34:11: SuperSajuuk: true dat
 * 00:34:23: Atvelonis: You can talk about it I guess, it can't hurt
 * 00:34:29: SuperSajuuk: well, other than the things that only a sysop can fix, there's nothing else I can bring up, for obvious reasons :P
 * 00:34:31: SuperSajuuk: alright
 * 00:34:55: SuperSajuuk: well, at one point, I was writing a pastebin to be presented that would clean it up. I even mentioned it to Flightmare several times, but nothing happened out of it
 * 00:35:33: SuperSajuuk: there's an awful lot of functions that don't seem to actually do anything or seem redundant. as well as a bit of code near the top that was just copy/pasted because a user couldn't previously import the script in the appropriate manner.
 * 00:35:43: SuperSajuuk: but as said, it's not really something that can be fixed except by a sysop
 * 00:36:17: SuperSajuuk: and of course, very few, if any, will be solve the issue. Probs Flightmare could fix it though
 * 00:36:30: SuperSajuuk: well... other than that, nothing else I have to say :P
 * 00:36:37: KINMUNE: Hello there, RocknRollFallout32!
 * 00:36:46: SuperSajuuk: Kinmune, shhhhh ;)
 * 00:36:56: Atvelonis: hey rocknroll
 * 00:37:03: RocknRollFallout32: hey
 * 00:37:14: Atvelonis: So yeah Sajuuk, Flight would probably be interested in that
 * 00:37:29: Atvelonis: I'll keep that in mind when I talk to him later
 * 00:37:37: SuperSajuuk: cool
 * 00:37:43: SuperSajuuk: also, you might want to bring up the problem with the anon filter
 * 00:37:55: Atvelonis: I'll do that too
 * 00:37:59: SuperSajuuk: cool :D
 * 00:38:09: DaedraBorn101: I want my own knimun
 * 00:38:13: DaedraBorn101: *kinmune
 * 00:38:18: SuperSajuuk: I think that's all I can mention. I simply wanted to bring it up in the moot so that someone would notice it heh
 * 00:38:19: Cheatcodechamp: So we good?
 * 00:38:22: SuperSajuuk: think so, ya
 * 00:38:43: SuperSajuuk: unfortunately, being so disconnected from editing on the wiki means I can't really provide any useful to anything
 * 00:38:51: SuperSajuuk: other than my own opinions about other people's suggestions lol
 * 00:38:54: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, I have two concerns I want to talk about, and want to mention something else.
 * 00:39:22: Cheatcodechamp: First issue,

My concern is that weekly meetings will burn us out and result in the moots dying. Last week we didnt have anything officaly on the table. I am not saying we wont meet once a week, but I do think that we set it up we only have presenters every other week, and do a more casual open floor the rest in between.
 * 00:39:43: Cheatcodechamp: wow, I messed up that end part
 * 00:39:59: Atvelonis: I get what you're saying
 * 00:40:01: Cheatcodechamp: So one week formal, next week more relaxed. Thats my idea, thought?
 * 00:40:11: Atvelonis: Sure
 * 00:40:13: QueenFinelia: sounds good
 * 00:40:18: DaedraBorn101: Agreed
 * 00:40:20: SuperSajuuk: soudns like a better idea
 * 00:40:24: Atvelonis: We did an open floor last week, worked quite well
 * 00:40:25: JurassicGirl: That sounds good to me acrually.
 * 00:40:51: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, then it seems we are all in agreement,
 * 00:40:55: Cheatcodechamp: that was easy
 * 00:40:58: QueenFinelia: yep
 * 00:41:12: Cheatcodechamp: Moving on
 * 00:41:14: Cheatcodechamp: My seconed concern is our policy that moot leader must wait five weeks (I think its five) before leading again. Our active numbers are not helping with this policy.  I think we should change it to you cannot be moot leader two weeks in a row.
 * 00:41:41: Cheatcodechamp: We can also try to force queen to do it
 * 00:41:47: QueenFinelia: lol :D
 * 00:41:48: Cheatcodechamp: but she seems adamant
 * 00:41:50: SuperSajuuk: xD
 * 00:42:02: QueenFinelia: I can be leader
 * 00:42:13: QueenFinelia: but if I am I demand I have the right to vote
 * 00:42:17: Cheatcodechamp: So, relax the policy on moot leaders?
 * 00:42:24: Atvelonis: Yeah, 2 weeks sounds better
 * 00:42:32: SuperSajuuk: well, if you wanted to, you could always make it that, if nobody wants to be moot leader, it just falls back to whatever bureaucrat level user joins the chat first ;)
 * 00:42:48: QueenFinelia: xD
 * 00:42:58: Atvelonis: CCC and I are both presenting though so neither of us can be moot leader
 * 00:43:07: SuperSajuuk: damn. lol
 * 00:43:09: JurassicGirl: I would do it, but my work schedule wont allow me to get on often enough to do so.
 * 00:43:15: SuperSajuuk: well that's my suggestion mooted ;D
 * 00:43:31: Atvelonis: lol
 * 00:43:43: Cheatcodechamp: So all in favor?
 * 00:43:49: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 00:43:50: QueenFinelia: (y)
 * 00:43:51: SuperSajuuk: (Y) from me
 * 00:43:54: Cheatcodechamp: (y)
 * 00:43:55: JurassicGirl: PlusI would like to be on my laptp, so yeah.two weeka.
 * 00:44:02: SuperSajuuk: (the only time when emote spam is legitimised lol)
 * 00:44:22: Cheatcodechamp: Anybody else
 * 00:45:06: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, then motion passes.
 * 00:45:21: Cheatcodechamp: My third thing is reminding everybody we are doing the fantasy food truck thing
 * 00:45:24: Cheatcodechamp: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Acardwell415/Wikia's_Battle_of_the_Fantasy_Foods_Returns?utm_source=General&utm_medium=Social%20Media&utm_campaign=Hootsuite
 * 00:45:56: Cheatcodechamp: We are currently in the nomination stage, and our main food item is the sweetroll. Althoug people can nominate more then one item
 * 00:46:19: Cheatcodechamp: Some of our sibling wikis are in for helping us..thats it
 * 00:46:24: Cheatcodechamp: just a reminder
 * 00:46:26: Cheatcodechamp: im done
 * 00:46:49: Atvelonis: Yeah sure
 * 00:46:51: Atvelonis: Sweetroll
 * 00:47:06: JurassicGirl: Ialready nominated the sweet rool. Didthat first thing when I got on.,
 * 00:47:11: SuperSajuuk: I just remembered something, dammit -_-
 * 00:47:14: Cheatcodechamp: any comments before Queen presents?
 * 00:47:18: QueenFinelia: wait
 * 00:47:23: Cheatcodechamp: Hmm?
 * 00:47:39: QueenFinelia: Fluffyzerglin's thing first
 * 00:47:45: Cheatcodechamp: He pulled
 * 00:47:53: Cheatcodechamp: and he isnt here
 * 00:48:07: QueenFinelia: but he said one of you can present it
 * 00:48:38: Cheatcodechamp: Ok
 * 00:48:42: Cheatcodechamp: Dovahcore Helmet
 * 00:48:59: Cheatcodechamp: Should this be on the wiki?
 * 00:49:14: Atvelonis: Oh yeah, that
 * 00:49:15: Cheatcodechamp: I assume fluffy wanted to point out its a mod
 * 00:49:24: Cheatcodechamp: and we dont do mods here
 * 00:49:34: QueenFinelia: yeah
 * 00:49:41: Atvelonis: I have mixed feelings about the helmet, but I'm leaning towards no.
 * 00:49:59: Cheatcodechamp: So if we say no, I move it to the mod wiki
 * 00:50:04: QueenFinelia: it's official and everything but I still say no on mods
 * 00:50:25: QueenFinelia: other mods could start demanding to be on the wimi
 * 00:50:27: QueenFinelia: wiki*
 * 00:50:44: QueenFinelia: and it feel out of place
 * 00:50:52: JurassicGirl: And not everyone has mods or uses them.
 * 00:50:58: QueenFinelia: that too
 * 00:51:11: SuperSajuuk: I'm conflicted by it
 * 00:51:20: SuperSajuuk: part of me says that it is modded content and should be deleted
 * 00:51:22: SuperSajuuk: however
 * 00:51:53: SuperSajuuk: part of me says that it's official material regardless of it being modded content and that, as the wiki is about official material, it should be documented here and the references to it being a mod should be removed from the pages
 * 00:52:06: JurassicGirl: Heck, I play on console and didnt even get the DLCs to Skyrim until a few weks ago.
 * 00:52:34: JurassicGirl: Why not create a wiki for mods ?
 * 00:52:38: Cheatcodechamp: But it is a mod, we cant not say it is a mode
 * 00:52:42: Cheatcodechamp: We have one already
 * 00:52:43: Atvelonis: @Jurassic: We have one
 * 00:52:48: Atvelonis: We have to say it's a mod
 * 00:52:53: Atvelonis: It's not in the base game
 * 00:52:55: SuperSajuuk: there is a mods wiki, I even sysop'd it for a while lol
 * 00:52:59: Cheatcodechamp: http://tes-mods.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
 * 00:53:05: Piezbrah: o;
 * 00:53:14: SuperSajuuk: if you want, I could always create a page about the mod on the mods wiki (not tonight, but tomorrow).
 * 00:53:22: SuperSajuuk: @CCC: tesm: works too ;)
 * 00:53:34: Cheatcodechamp: I had the link handy
 * 00:54:00: QueenFinelia: so what do we do?
 * 00:54:03: JurassicGirl: Then perhaps have it moved there and save this wikia for the vanilla stuff.
 * 00:54:10: Cheatcodechamp: If we are unsure, we can run it by the community, but I think that is being a mod means we put it on the mod wiki
 * 00:54:32: Cheatcodechamp: We can have an article about mods and have links leading to the mod wiki if we want
 * 00:54:54: QueenFinelia: that sounds like a good idea
 * 00:54:58: SuperSajuuk: you could always make use of a soft redirect here
 * 00:55:01: JurassicGirl: That sounds better.
 * 00:55:13: Atvelonis: Soft redirect would be a good compromise
 * 00:55:17: SuperSajuuk: Xx should probably be moved to the mods wiki as well, as it's mostly useless
 * 00:55:18: JurassicGirl: Can even go with the inter wiki stuff.
 * 00:55:20: Atvelonis: Because I know some people want it to be here
 * 00:55:24: Atvelonis: Uh, no sajuuk
 * 00:55:27: Atvelonis: DLCs
 * 00:55:33: SuperSajuuk: good point
 * 00:55:44: SuperSajuuk: although, DLCs can only be 01, 02 or 03 lol
 * 00:55:48: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, first part, do we think this mod should be on the wiki?
 * 00:55:56: Atvelonis: I vote (n)
 * 00:56:03: SuperSajuuk: neither can the load order of a DLC be changed anyway
 * 00:56:07: JurassicGirl: No.
 * 00:56:12: QueenFinelia: (no)
 * 00:56:14: SuperSajuuk: I'll go :/, leaning to (N)
 * 00:56:20: Cheatcodechamp: and I say (n)
 * 00:56:38: Cheatcodechamp: part two, should we have a article about mods, that leads to the mod wiki?
 * 00:56:48: QueenFinelia: (y)
 * 00:56:49: JurassicGirl: Yes!
 * 00:56:59: Cheatcodechamp: (y)
 * 00:57:16: Atvelonis: (y), a soft redirect
 * 00:57:32: SuperSajuuk: just as an fyi: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Mods:_Mod?direction=prev&oldid=1322291
 * 00:57:40: SuperSajuuk: ^ might be of use, if a soft redirect is not used
 * 00:57:41: SuperSajuuk: but (Y)
 * 00:58:08: SuperSajuuk: might even be better to combine the small lead of that revision with a soft redirect
 * 00:58:20: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, We are going to point people towards the mod wiki.
 * 00:58:49: SuperSajuuk: just an fyi: the mod wiki barely has coverage of all mods and there's virtually no community of editors there to help out with the effort
 * 00:59:13: SuperSajuuk: just thought I should give prior warning of that.
 * 00:59:22: Cheatcodechamp: Well its a good thing we have editors here who can help, interwiki project and everything
 * 00:59:40: Atvelonis: So is that everything from you CCC?
 * 00:59:45: Cheatcodechamp: Im good
 * 00:59:50: Cheatcodechamp: Queen? you ready?
 * 01:00:06: Cheatcodechamp: Or am I surprise presenting anything else :D
 * 01:00:31: QueenFinelia: :D
 * 01:00:35: QueenFinelia: yeah
 * 01:01:18: QueenFinelia: should I start?
 * 01:01:25: Atvelonis: Yeah, whenever you're ready
 * 01:01:45: QueenFinelia: ok I have a few things about getting more people to attend the moot
 * 01:02:34: QueenFinelia: first thing is the moot needs more visibility
 * 01:03:08: QueenFinelia: I was thinking we could add the moot on the Helping out section on the main page
 * 01:04:12: QueenFinelia: but we need people to notice even the moot even more
 * 01:04:57: QueenFinelia: maybe a few a days before the wiki we could put a banner on the main page to remind people that the moot is soon
 * 01:05:44: QueenFinelia: even I'm here today just because I happened to open the wiki today, I didn't even realize it's saturday xD
 * 01:05:53: QueenFinelia: please discuss
 * 01:06:18: Atvelonis: I agree that we should make it more visible
 * 01:06:19: Cheatcodechamp: We should do more to increase activity in the moot, this seems like a simple way to do it
 * 01:06:26: Atvelonis: Linking to it from helping out and such places is a good idea
 * 01:06:39: SuperSajuuk: okay, well.. adding a link to the moot on the helping out section is pointless. A user needs to register an account to use the chat and I doubt every visitor who comes to the wiki will want to register an account just to post in the moot
 * 01:06:40: Atvelonis: The banner idea, meh. Might get annoying.
 * 01:06:59: SuperSajuuk: also, if the banner would appear across the whole wiki, it will just be removed by Wikia Staff so there's no point
 * 01:07:16: SuperSajuuk: you are not allowed to add site-wide banner notifications because they violate customisation policy for the oasis skin
 * 01:07:34: QueenFinelia: no I was just thinking the main page
 * 01:07:37: Atvelonis: Well, it's already linked to from Community Messages
 * 01:07:38: KINMUNE: Hello there, Harrkayy!
 * 01:07:44: Atvelonis: hey harrkayy
 * 01:07:51: QueenFinelia: hi Harrkayy :3
 * 01:08:12: Harrkayy: Hi(:
 * 01:08:40: SuperSajuuk: @Atv: Community Messages seems to have too much text in it. It's not so much a messaging area for the community than just a big wall of text. Things like the link to the vandalism report page could probably be removed, it seems seldom used by the community anyway
 * 01:08:54: Atvelonis: That's used a lot Sajuuk
 * 01:09:14: SuperSajuuk: it probably is and I simply don't notice lol
 * 01:09:27: QueenFinelia: and I understand your concern SuperSajuuk but I think it would motivate people to register, that's a good thing right?
 * 01:09:46: SuperSajuuk: @Queen: feel free to just call me Sajuuk, everyone does ;)
 * 01:10:02: QueenFinelia: oh ok, I just like tabbing :D
 * 01:10:12: Harrkayy: I am looking to see if anyone in here could help me in becoming a vampire (ps4)
 * 01:10:31: SuperSajuuk: also, registering means your account can be used anywhere on Wikia, you don't register a separate accoutn for each wiki you go to on wikia. not everyone feels it necessary to register an account for a wiki they're not actually going to contribute towards
 * 01:11:11: SuperSajuuk: especially if the only reason for them to make an account is to join a locked chatbox lol
 * 01:11:27: QueenFinelia: sorry Harrkayy we are having a moot, maybe you could PM someone?
 * 01:11:38: Cheatcodechamp: So ignore the guys in here with no edits recorded
 * 01:11:40: SuperSajuuk: saying that, people do just that and make an account just to post in the chatbox xD
 * 01:11:58: Cheatcodechamp: PM Harrkayy
 * 01:12:28: Atvelonis: It could perhaps go in a tab under the slider
 * 01:12:36: Atvelonis: "Community events" or something I dunno
 * 01:12:39: Atvelonis: Or just moot
 * 01:12:42: SuperSajuuk: @CCC: then that just makes promoting the moot sorta useless. registered users have the option to change their target when they go to .wikia.com so may not even see it at all
 * 01:12:48: SuperSajuuk: an option under the slider might work
 * 01:12:50: QueenFinelia: perhaps
 * 01:13:27: QueenFinelia: can someone link me the community messages thing about moot
 * 01:13:38: SuperSajuuk: Special:WikiActivity
 * 01:13:45: SuperSajuuk: it's on the right side for community messages
 * 01:14:32: QueenFinelia: thanks :3
 * 01:14:49: SuperSajuuk: that actually reminds me....
 * 01:14:59: SuperSajuuk: unless the user is using Oasis, they won't be able to load WikiActivity at all
 * 01:15:15: SuperSajuuk: so a link there wouldn't be seen by the entire community if a user is using Monobook instead
 * 01:15:27: Atvelonis: No one uses monobook though
 * 01:15:42: SuperSajuuk: you'll be surprised about the number of people using Monobook actually
 * 01:15:51: SuperSajuuk: obviously I don't use it, but there are indeed people out there using that skin
 * 01:15:59: SuperSajuuk: even more so when wikia introduced the pointless breakpoints update lol
 * 01:16:30: Atvelonis: Well, no one that I know of, at least. If they have an issue with stuff being posted there they can speak up.
 * 01:17:03: QueenFinelia: ok so should we vote on the slider thing?
 * 01:17:22: Cheatcodechamp: All in favor of the Moot being in the slider?
 * 01:17:33: Atvelonis: In a tab under the slider, (y)
 * 01:17:36: SuperSajuuk: (Y)
 * 01:17:40: JurassicGirl: Yes.
 * 01:17:42: QueenFinelia: (y)
 * 01:17:45: Cheatcodechamp: Sure (y)
 * 01:18:02: QueenFinelia: ok it's decided
 * 01:18:04: Cheatcodechamp: Agreed then
 * 01:18:13: Cheatcodechamp: Anything else?
 * 01:18:19: QueenFinelia: ok now where in the slider should we place it
 * 01:18:35: Cheatcodechamp: I was going to make Atve or Tim do it
 * 01:18:36: Atvelonis: In a tab under it
 * 01:18:41: Atvelonis: I can handle i
 * 01:18:43: Atvelonis: *it
 * 01:18:57: QueenFinelia: under community?
 * 01:19:26: Atvelonis: News goes there, so probably not
 * 01:19:28: Atvelonis: Well
 * 01:19:29: Atvelonis: Maybe
 * 01:19:44: SuperSajuuk: hmmm
 * 01:19:45: SuperSajuuk: well
 * 01:19:49: SuperSajuuk: if you click the irc tab
 * 01:19:52: SuperSajuuk: there's a mention of the moot there
 * 01:20:17: Atvelonis: Since when
 * 01:20:18: Atvelonis: What
 * 01:20:23: QueenFinelia: what
 * 01:20:33: Cheatcodechamp: G0LD was betting on a diffrent outcome last week
 * 01:20:41: SuperSajuuk: whenever it was added to Project:IRC lol
 * 01:21:49: QueenFinelia: ain't nobody gonna see that :/
 * 01:22:45: Atvelonis: brb
 * 01:22:48: QueenFinelia: well I guess you mods can figure where you put it
 * 01:22:48: Cheatcodechamp: He was hoping that we would use the IRC, I partly agree with him
 * 01:22:54: Cheatcodechamp: but we decided to keep it here
 * 01:23:06: Cheatcodechamp: Anyway, I think we can agree the Moot is over?
 * 01:23:14: QueenFinelia: no I have another topic
 * 01:23:27: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, The Moot is adjourned
 * 01:23:35: Cheatcodechamp: I have an update to write
 * 01:23:54: SuperSajuuk: gotta go now anyway
 * 01:23:56: SuperSajuuk: so
 * 01:23:56: SuperSajuuk: bai
 * 01:24:01: QueenFinelia: but :(
 * 01:24:30: Cheatcodechamp: Im still here
 * 01:24:40: Cheatcodechamp: Just writing an update
 * 01:24:47: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 01:24:50: Cheatcodechamp: So, that moot went well
 * 01:25:21: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ghostofroadkill!
 * 01:25:38: Atvelonis: back
 * 01:25:39: Atvelonis: hey
 * 01:26:33: Atvelonis: You have another topic Finelia?
 * 01:26:42: QueenFinelia: yes
 * 01:26:57: QueenFinelia: the one that I put on the sign up thing
 * 01:27:01: QueenFinelia: the timezones
 * 01:27:25: Cheatcodechamp: Oh
 * 01:27:27: Cheatcodechamp: Yeah
 * 01:27:41: Cheatcodechamp: We should make that a CT
 * 01:28:00: Cheatcodechamp: We need to talk about the time, and we need the community involved
 * 01:28:01: Atvelonis: What about the timezones though?
 * 01:28:04: Atvelonis: Oh
 * 01:28:19: Atvelonis: Well Finelia make your presentation
 * 01:28:20: QueenFinelia: what's a CT?
 * 01:28:23: Cheatcodechamp: If we are talking about changing that, then we should involve more people
 * 01:28:25: Atvelonis: consensus track
 * 01:28:28: Ghostofroadkill: What's up any of you guys know how to join the thieves guild?
 * 01:28:29: QueenFinelia: oh
 * 01:28:36: Atvelonis: @Ghost: In Skyrim?
 * 01:28:39: Cheatcodechamp: Go to Riften
 * 01:28:48: Atvelonis: Talk to Brynjolf in Riften, he has a quest for you
 * 01:28:59: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Board:Consensus_Track
 * 01:29:01: QueenFinelia: he's selling some miracle potion at the market
 * 01:29:04: JurassicGirl: Gotta talknto Brynolf in Riften if it sfor Skyrim.
 * 01:29:06: Ghostofroadkill: On that guy thanks
 * 01:29:15: QueenFinelia: or at the evening he's in the inn
 * 01:29:44: QueenFinelia: anyway
 * 01:29:57: Cheatcodechamp: Queen, go there and create a thread explaining the problem. Once you are done I will highlight it and people can discuss it, we can see if we can find a better place and time so more people can get involved
 * 01:30:09: QueenFinelia: I'm not talking about changing the time, althought that would be usefull too
 * 01:30:38: QueenFinelia: I mean the daylight savngs time
 * 01:30:52: Cheatcodechamp: Ah, I was thinking aobut that today
 * 01:31:06: Cheatcodechamp: I assumed it was time in general
 * 01:31:16: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 01:31:21: JurassicGirl: Perhaps there should be a moot twice a day for those that Re on early and those on late.
 * 01:31:45: Atvelonis: @Jurassic: That would be difficult to organize. Presenters would still need to show up to both.
 * 01:32:00: Cheatcodechamp: Or have a representative
 * 01:32:00: QueenFinelia: if you know anyone on the wiki who's from a different county that uses DST could you please ask them to add their countries to the list on the moot page?
 * 01:32:49: Atvelonis: well we could also just google "what time is it in ____", right?
 * 01:32:54: Atvelonis: Or does that not work for DST
 * 01:33:03: QueenFinelia: oh right :D
 * 01:33:33: Atvelonis: But yes, we definitely need to look into that
 * 01:34:24: QueenFinelia: oh that reminds me I gotta add more about the DST on the moot page
 * 01:35:19: Atvelonis: Well if that's all, I think the moot is over now