Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-4092092-20130801070333/@comment-27755354-20170530150251

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: CarloV3r wrote: Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Not all the inaccuracies can be found, and if they are found, they are quite often linked with a [citation needed] template. If we look at the Orsimer page, that's exactly what it has when it's stated that they are a race of Elf. It isn't quite as simple as that. For one, The True Nature of Orcs clearly states they're Mer. In the "Discerning the Transmundane" quest in Skyrim, one requires their blood to create a mixture that closely resembles the blood of Dwemer. Septimus Signus clearly states the mixture requires the blood of every Mer race. I also don't exactly get the logic of "Because they were corrupted, they're beastfolk." Does that mean Dunmer are no longer Mer because they were transformed? Please elaborate.

I also don't get the "No, not debunked, because as always you blindly believe the wiki. Come with factual sources, not with something anyone can edit." statement. Dapoculos13 didn't just provide statements from the wiki, he provided statements that were sourced with in-game books, or the aforementioned "Discerning the Transmundane" quest. You can't just disregard someone's argument "because it's from the wiki." The fact that anyone can edit the wiki doesn't mean every piece of information is subject to speculation. The pieces of information he provided are sourced. The only difference between your argument (which actually points to the sources) our "friend" here, just uses "-wiki page on the Orsimer" or "UESP page on the Orsimer", that's not evidence. That's like saying the Fourth Legion is in Skyrim, because the Fourth Legion page used to claim it was. It doesn't work like that. Hence why citations are needed.

Dunmer are not the same as Orsimer. The Chimer changed because they broke their oaths, the Aldmer of Trinimac changed because Trinimac got shit out by Boethiah. Notice the difference? In one of the two the events were to blame on the race, in the other they were to blame on the God.

Aside from that, I'm rather certain that a book written by a Mer, which labels the various races of Mer is more reliable that a quote by an anonymous author or by a madman, I am, of course, mentioning the book Before the Ages of Man. I'm well aware of the differences between the Chimer's and the Orsimer's situation, but what supports the argument "The Aldmer turned to beastfolk after becoming Orsimer." The "Discerning the Transmundane" clearly proves they've still got Meric blood, which is an in-game piece of evidence.

You believe they descended from Aldmer, as you stated above. But that contradicts Before the Ages of Man, which states: "During the early Merethic Era, the aboriginal beastpeoples of Tamriel -- the ancestors of the Khajiit, Argonian, Orcish, and other beastfolk -- lived in preliterate communities throughout Tamriel." So, which is it?