Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-26356342-20150511181449

116.68.120.244 wrote: 70.176.171.126 wrote: 116.68.121.232 wrote: Hammerfell has a pretty good reason to form an alliance with an independent skyrim. They hate the thalmor just as much as Ulfric does.

Mutual hatred isnt enough to forge an alliance. Ulfric's Nords don't like Redgards all that much, and the Redgards of Hammerfell don't care much for anyone at all. just because they each also hate the same group of elves doesnt mean either of them is going to approach the other for help. Do you know what the meaning of the word alliance is?

Yes, mutual hatred and a sense of betrayel are enough to form alliances. If you're going to argue semantics, an Alliance is defiend by a mutual benefit, not hatred. Do YOU know how alliances between nations work? The hatred is obvious, but not enough to forge an alliance. When in Elder Scrolls lore has any alliance been formed based soely on mutual hatred? It's almost always based on benefit, and Hammerfell doesnt NEED anyone at present they're doing fine on their own. Do you think the Nords will send people to die in the desert? especially after losing so many during the civil war? Even if they could spare the men (they can't) what other benefit do they offer Hammerfell? Tiber Septim had to support a losing side in a civil war, and win that civil war to have Hammerfell allow themselves to be allied with the Empire. They Don't just go around making pacts with people due to mutual hatred, I'm sick of these arguments with such little thought put into them... It's like what Ottoman Hold said, if mutual hatred is enough, side with the Empire then, they ALSO hate the Thalmor, which means by your own simplistic logic, you should side with the Empire during the civilwar.