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 * Jimeee (Talk) 23:21, 27 December 2012

Re: Moving
Thanks for letting me know about the changes needed for Water Hyacinth. I will be going through each ingredient page after I'm done with the Plant template, so eventually everything will be renamed correctly and have FormIDs. If you are comfortable renaming pages, you are free to do so as well, if not, then I will get to it.

As for the Bloodmoon Template, it does not auto-include the Morrowind: Ingredients category, it includes Bloodmoon: Ingredients, so if you saw it on a Bloodmoon ingredient page, then it was added manually by someone. I've fixed the template now to include Bloodmoon: Alchemy, too. Thanks for being on the look out! If you run across anything else strange, out-of-place, or something that requires attention, just let me know and I'll see what I can do. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  23:39, January 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Re:SkyrimShacks - Done! — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  03:27, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Various Things
Hey Shockstorm, Thanks for letting me know about the MorroiwndBooks template. It actually had the proper category to auto-add Morroiwnd: Books, but the was missing to close off the other template categories, so it added the category Morrowind: Books to the list of categories not to include. But, it is fixed now, so it should be auto-adding correctly.

As for creating disambigs, that would be a great help too. Thanks to Online many things will need it. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  22:57, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Morrowind Locations
Hey Shockstorm

Just as a heads up, when working on morrowind locations, keep an eye out for UESP content, if you find any, remove it. While UESP has proven to be forgiving about users taking their content, its better to remove any we find as soon as we find it.

Thanks and happy editing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 04:10, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

A note
When removing Project templates - don't forget to add Morrowind: Stub category. Thx :) Wharrgarbl (talk) 05:11, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Are you a human
Beacsue your doing great!!!!DeirdreKent101 (talk) 03:24, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, well thanks, haha. I just have a lot of free time on my hands right now. --Shockstorm (talk) 03:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Its hard keeping up with you lol, its liek a game to me lolDeirdreKent101 (talk) 03:29, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Are you a patroler
I was wondering if you were one, you seem to know allot, are you a admin?DeirdreKent101 (talk) 01:37, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks. But I'm not - my name would be a different color if I was. I have some experience with editing on the FFWiki. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Im suprised they didnt make you one you are really good, DeirdreKent101 (talk) 22:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Dma you make allot
Dam you make allot of edits lol, your like a well oiled machine....or robot.....if you keep it up you might be number one in no time...DeirdreKent101 (talk) 01:36, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

De-capping
Greetings - We already read the guidelines you pointed out. Perhaps we differ on the interpretation of some of them. When in doubt, we go to GrammarBook.com. Jimeee's comments were also less than unambiguous.

Perhaps you could give us some specific examples of where we have been in error.....

ThanksDarthOrc (talk) 18:52, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Locks
First of all, send messages to my talk page if you wish to talk to me. Secondly, I don't appreciate the fact you think i'm neglecting locked pages when I am in fact on this wiki every single day trying to improve this utter mess.

I don't "claim" that we have too few patrollers - it's a fact and the two recent additions make a grand total of about 4 regular patrollers - for a site with 18,000+ pages. You do the math.

If you spot a problem or wish to edit a locked page then you ask an admin. That is how it has always worked and we are not about to change it just because you think i'm not doing my job.

Jimeee (talk) 01:08, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was relevant, so I posted it there. You seem to believe that you're the only who can fix this "awful" place, which sounds awfully conceited to me. And it is true that you neglect locked pages - it doesn't really matter if you're here each day doing things like editing people's post to include the oh-so-important comment template.


 * I see no evidence of this being "how it always has worked". I've seen pages that were locked or are locked, and they were basically all locked by you. And of the several wikis I've been on, none of them have had this number of pages being locked (and when they were, they were typically high traffic pages, not just someone wanting to protect their work from other people). Maybe you should try reading the Wikia ToU. People don't own certain pages or info. You claim that there's a need for more patrollers - how many do we need, then? And how do you justify mass locking of pages when relatively little vandalism happens here, despite the high number of users? I don't care if you want to act tough and tell me you're never going to change your policies. All that won't matter if you get desysopped. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:27, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I find it amusing that you think my contribution to this wiki is adding templates to comment posts. You - who have been here one month and makes a few edits - thinks they know it all. Lets not mention your oh-so-important redirect page edits.
 * You just got here in December, so you have no idea how much or how little vandalism there is or was. And it's not only vandalism. It is extermely poor quality edits that make up the majority of the reason why pages get locked.
 * Also, if you think threatening me with a desysop is your way of trying to get through, then you are sadly mistaken. Pages get locked for a reason, not on a whim or someone trying to protect their work.
 * How about this - You make your little list of all the pages you feel are wrongly locked and i'll discuss it with the other admins.
 * Jimeee (talk) 01:51, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't threatening you, I was saying that is what would happen if you continue to disregard Wikia's ToU. And your consistently rude and condescending attitude probably doesn't help. I can read page histories, so maybe you shouldn't just assume things. You have a very selective approach to reverting "bad" edits and removing UESP content. Just a few days ago I found a category for UESP images and a template for UESP attribution. I think they're both still there, even though I tagged them for deletion.

Anyways, the burden of proof is on you, due to your highly questionable and unprecedented mass locking of pages. You decided to lock them to protect your work, and I'm aware that that's not how it's supposed to work. Tell me, have you locked any pages that you haven't extensively edited first? I don't see you applying your logic towards pages about the older games - it's just Skyrim. Furthermore, the fact is that most of the pages you've locked have typos and bad links. I've already seen several today and I wasn't even looking for them. And why are you so intent on discussing things with only admins? Are us regular users just too stupid to understand these things? Finally, why exactly do you feel the need to make a forum thread about Tim and/or Milkman needing to write better? Your spelling and grammar could use a lot of work. Which is fine, but you shouldn't demand that other people conform to standards you yourself aren't willing to follow. --Shockstorm (talk) 02:02, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * If I come across as rude and condescending, then it's because I don't take kindly to your acquisitions and insinuations. My approach to uesp content has always been the same - I'll blank the entire page if I find plagiarism, so I don't know what you're talking about.


 * "I don't see you applying your logic towards pages about the older games - it's just Skyrim." - Maybe that's because the vast majority of older games articles are so poor or basic that they require no lock. There are countless pages that I have extensively edited that remain unlocked, so that argument fails. How about the few hundred weapon and armor pages? Or all the lore pages? Or all the list page?


 * "Furthermore, the fact is that most of the pages you've locked have typos and bad links. I've already seen several today and I wasn't even looking for them." - I have never refused a user request to unlock a page if a legitimate  edit was needing made. Most of the time a user spots a typo etc, they post it on the talk page and I make the change as soon as I can. See the talk history of Dragonborn or various others.


 * "And why are you so intent on discussing things with only admins? Are us regular users just too stupid to understand these things?"  - Because I don't call the shots around here. Issues like this are usually discussed by the staff - you should know that.


 * "Finally, why exactly do you feel the need to make a forum thread about Tim and/or Milkman...but you shouldn't demand that other people conform to standards you yourself aren't willing to follow."


 * I'm not willing to follow? You have no idea what you are talking about. If you bothered to read my reply on the CT, I said: The point of the thread is to gain general concensus so that an official policy can be made. It will also serve as a point of reference that this is how the policy was formed. Also, I don't actually have a problem with Milkman's writing style. His previous front page news stories were correct in tone and format.


 * Finally - If you think a page is wrongly locked then make a list and it will be reviewed by an admin - and I'll make sure it's not me who reviews it to avoid anymore of this nonsense.


 * Jimeee (talk) 17:39, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Userpage Deletion
Only Wikia can delete your user page from here. No administrator can, so stop adding the delete template, because we cannot do delete it. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  21:54, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * What the hell are you talking about? I don't want to delete my account, I want to get rid of the history. --Shockstorm (talk) 03:49, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * You can't get rid of the history on here. It's not allowed and that's not my rule. Wikia has a rule that all history must be preserved. Why place the delete template on your userpage if you didn't want your account deleted? If you don't want to be part of this wiki anymore, then you are free to leave, but none of what you have contributed will be deleted. If you have a problem with understanding that, then contact Wikia. I don't know why you are being so difficult about this. If you continue on with your behavior I will block you. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:01, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Are You Back?
Hey Shockstorm, I know you left a while back due to some "complications", but are you back now for good, or just a short-time thing?

— AutoBlood  Talk  22:02, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, probably back for a while, at least. --Shockstorm (talk) 22:03, June 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, welcome back! :D Hope you have a smoother ride now ;) Kroq-gar78 (talk) 22:16, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: WhatLinksHere option
Hey,

Wow! Thanks for the link; this could be really useful if it works. I'll see how to implement it :) Kroq-gar78 (talk) 04:07, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like Flightmare added it, so it should be up now :D Kroq-gar78 (talk) 18:40, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Deletion
I noticed you took Delete off Category:Quests related to the Dwemer and all the other articles I marked for deletion. So there are many categories like that? Like what? If you mean there are many categories for quests related to ... I don't know about them and I would like to see them.

The other ones were pages with basically this person wrote this in that book. Do you think an article is really necessary for that? 08:35, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad I made you laugh!

Cats
Hello. "Skyrim: Headgear" isn't an overarching cat as it prexfixed by the game name. Dragon mask cat is considered seperate. See http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Skyrim:_Apparel_by_Piece. Thanks. Jimeee (talk) 20:05, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean. I don't care strongly either way, but I removed Headgear since Dragon Masks was under it. --Shockstorm (talk) 20:08, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can see why it would seem like that, but the headgear cat is an effot to list all forms of armor headgear in in the game. The fact that these masks are also armor is incidental and I understand there is an overlap, but its unique to these masks. Jimeee (talk) 20:12, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see. --Shockstorm (talk) 20:22, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Wow I'm rusty
Thanks for fixing up the page I had made earlier, I really must be rusty at this for some of the mistakes I made, keep up the good work! Mask2697 (talk) 02:49, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're welcome, and thanks. --Shockstorm (talk) 03:14, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

edits
Crazy131 (talk) 23:22, September 1, 2013 (UTC)Hey Dude you make a lot of edits

My bad; it won't happen again. And thanks. Proweler (talk) 01:48, September 9, 2013 (UTC)Proweler

Thanks
Thanks for voting for me as admin :) EbonySkyrim (talk) 14:56, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're welcome. You certainly deserved it. --Shockstorm (talk) 22:00, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Member of the Month Nominations
Hello, mister Storm, a new MotM voting season has begun.Since you're a so darn inportant member of the community, i thought you might want to check it out: it can be found here ([]). (Sky Above,Voice Within (talk) 02:30, September 27, 2013 (UTC))
 * Oh, thanks (not sure if that's sarcasm :P). I'll take a look at it. --Shockstorm (talk) 03:15, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Redirects
Redirects are there for a reason, don't just bypass them by adding the proper link to the page. It is a needless edit. Faction links to exactly the same page as Factions, so there is no need to link straight to the "Factions" page. --Speysider Talk Page 07:51, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, nope, you're wrong. I was getting rid of unneeded redirects, actually. Spend some time learning the rules of the wiki before accusing me of anything. --Shockstorm (talk) 08:03, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * How is Faction an unneeded redirect? If that is the case, use the edit summary to explain what your doing instead of making an edit without explaining whatever the edit is supposed to be doing. And drop the high horse attitude. --Speysider Talk Page 08:06, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to write a long edit summary to appease a single person. Now, please find someone else to bother. Or, better yet, stop harassing random people over trivial things. If you don't, then look forward to a long vacation from the wiki. --Shockstorm (talk) 08:16, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

What happen?
"Left the wiki due to pretentious morons. Might come back, might not."

I saw your talk page and out of my curiousity; what did these morons do exactly? -- The Snow Prince (talk) 11:22, December 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Might I attempt to dissuade you from abandoning the wiki? Rare as it is to come back consistent and good editors such as yourself, I would hate to see one of our own leave because of a minor squabble. Doing a bit of research, I'm assuming your desire to leave stems from the conflict involving disambiguating redirects? It appears that you were following the recommendations I wrote on the redirect help page. You were in the right there, for one. However, if you were having trouble with another editor that was leading nowhere, you could have approached an admin to interject on your behalf. We just love this sort of thing! ;). From my experience, arguing is seldom fruitless, and I could tell you were losing your patience with the other editor. For now, I have locked the page that was being fought over. Two weeks to incubate. If there is anything I myself, or we the admins, can do to improve your wiki-experience, let us know. my talk page is always open. -- 11:46, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it's more than that. But it doesn't really matter. --Shockstorm (talk) 21:55, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome
Hey Shockstorm, it's good to have you back, this Wiki could use some decent editors. :D Zippertrain85 (talk) 02:40, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks :) --Shockstorm (talk) 02:42, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Disambig pages
Hey Shockstorm, welcome back it's always nice to have good editors return from hiatus. I hope you do plan on remaining more active here. As for the Disambiguation pages, they had a discussion about this months ago although we can't find the thread anymore sadly, I was never part of that particular discussion myself either. But you can see it listed under our Disambiguation Policy regarding this. Ȼǿᵰᵮẽᵲ ₲ħǿśᵵ Ⱥᵰᵾᵬĭᵴ  Đẽẽᵭᵴ 22:04, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Links, yah again
My Apoligize for this, actually i am trying to figure out something. Thx for reverting it :) I found what i was searching thx :) Emperor Jarjarkine   Senate Hall  22:41, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
Hey Shock, wondering if we could have a chat about something on the wiki chat? I'll be there for the next 1-2 hours if your available. :) --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 20:04, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Image
Hey Shock, I just seen that you noticed a certain user uploaded an image from UESP, good job looking out for that :) Ȼǿᵰᵮẽᵲ ₲ħǿśᵵ Ⱥᵰᵾᵬĭᵴ  Đẽẽᵭᵴ 04:44, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, no prob. I was going to mention it to him, but I see you already did. --Shockstorm (talk) 05:02, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Redundant links
Hi shock, thank you for sending me that message because if you did not I would still being doing it. I didn't know the that the link exist in the article before I added it, I'll try and check before I make an edit like that. If there's any thing else you wanna tell me send it on my talkpage,  once again thanks Starkiller131 (talk) 21:52, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Unused redirects
Hello Shockstorm, I've noticed you've been adding deletion tags to certain redirect pages. While some are reasonable, others I don't agree with. These redirects you want to delete are either redirects because they are an alias or because they are a title a reader would presume to be the actual one.

The King of Worms is an alias for Mannimarco; even in Daggerfall this was what he was solely referred to as during the main questline (if you played the game). The Elder Scrolls I: Arena is one title that the reader would presume to be the actual one. When it was published it was the only elder scrolls elder scrolls game; similar to World War I (At it's time it was the only world war, but when World War II came around the World War became known as World War I.)

If you can see where I'm going with this, just give me a reply on my talk page. You can also explain and give me a reason why you would want to go through with this deletion even after reading my points required you acknowledge them in the response. Thank you for your time.

☞ Яǐɱ ( Chat with Meh ) ( Updates ) 04:38, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if I offended you Shockstorm, but I didn't mean to rude. I didn't even think I sounded rude, so again, I apologize for that. And yes, I am serious. I was only informing you of what I was thinking so that maybe you could take it into account. As for my redirect deletions, I only nominated ones that were of typos (Knight Paladin Gelbor instead of Knight Paladin Gelebor, Rexas instead of Rexus, and Medora instead of Medora Direnni). The ones I nominated for deletion were solely based on typos, not on aliases or so on.


 * I hope you can accept my apology, but I meant no harm. I didn't intend to sound "commanding" or anything so I'm sorry if you misinterpreted it. And yes I am quite aware that the admins have the final say. Again, thank you for taking the time to respond to my message.


 * ☞ Яǐɱ ( Chat with Meh ) ( Updates )   05:56, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Arch Mage Quarters
Why are you reverting all that? There is no policy on it and technically, nothing was wrong with it. Please don't cite Ebony's message to me, as that only tells me to stop from now, not to go revert everything I just did.

You should have asked me first about why I made the edits, not just decided to undo everything and clutter the feed in reverts that have no reasoning given for them. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 12:54, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * This isn't harassment, edits on a wiki can be freely challenged by anyone, I asked quite nicely as to why you are reverting without giving reason.
 * You didn't even answer my question whatsoever, choosing to instead call "harassment" on something that isn't even remotely harassing. You might want to read the definition of the word.
 * Please do cite to me the policy that states your reverts are in line with any policy, because I certainly found no such policy that states anything of the sort.
 * Start assuming good faith in editors, instead of blindly calling any messages that question edits you make as "harassment".
 * Honestly, your reverts could be seen as disruptive / vandalism to the wiki. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 13:35, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * It seems you have no intention of explaining your reverts. With the fact you cannot explain them and won't cite an official policy that states my edits are breaking any such policy, I have no choice but to take your reversions as being in bad faith and vandalism/harmful to the wiki's goal.
 * This is apparently not the first time that you have displayed this attitude to an editor, in that case, on the Runescape Wikia, where you demeaned and insulted a user for making a very reasonable request.
 * You also have no clue what the word "harassment" means either, telling someone they're a "bitch" or to "fuck off" is insulting but not even remotely harassment.
 * I suggest learning the definition of "harassment" before you try and use it in a counter argument, especially as you just use the word as a way to ignore questions/advice about your questionable edits/reverts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 14:01, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Reverts
Shock, you should have left a message to SuperSajuuk as he says, and asked why he did these edits. We may not agree on everyones edits but reverting them and not even leave an explanation in the edit summary is not a way to handle it. EbonySkyrim  Message!   13:40, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm just telling you that it would have been better to leave a message first, even if you see we are having a debate about it. I have had this with Spey several times so you weren't picked out only. EbonySkyrim   Message!   21:44, October 28, 2014 (UTC)