User blog comment:Thedoucheinthenorth/A question of morality/@comment-85.167.217.61-20121215205931/@comment-5871119-20121219005356

the septims werent around for the thalmor the thalmor took power during the oblivion crisis.

ulfric killed the high king with his voice that wasnt honorable combat the greybeards even tell you people not trained in the way will be killed. ulfric knew he would win and toryg fought ulfric because of that famous nord honor knowing he would lose.