User blog comment:Zippertrain85/The reasons why Serana is not from the First Era./@comment-9156240-20130508234036/@comment-3217145-20130511113708

"Name something I've said that is baseless?"
 * Hah!


 * Read the entire page again. That's all everyone's been doing the entire time, in great detail. Don't just pretend it hasn't been brought up.

"They're a very powerful Vampire clan. Serana even tells you (if the player is a Vampire when they meet) that you should know who Harkon is. So he must have some connection to the Vampires in Skyrim."
 * Well that was quick. Famous=King? So Tullius is the king of the Imperials? Michael Jordan is the king of basketball players? I'm thinking of a word that starts with "B"...

"HE WASEN'T ROALTY! HE WASEN'T A KING OF ANYTHING! Sorry, but I'm sick of hearing this. Please go read my blog about why Harkon wasen't a king. If you want to debate that, do it on there please."
 * You haven't come within a mile of "proving" that, so you can't call it a closed issue and just accept it as support for your argument. I'm sick of hearing that.


 * Bethesda said he is. They know more than you. Your opinions don't matter. Dawnguard isn't a historical account of the real-life Harkon of Wales, so saying Bethesda is wrong about THEIR OWN CHARACTER is just insane, and we don't have to listen to your reasons unless you can show a legitimate plot hole.

"Each race in the Elder Scrolls is based off of a culture in real life. Nords = Vikings, Redguards = Arabs for example. Bretons are based off of French/Celtics, which is what the design of that castle is somewhat like, that and Imperial, NOT Nordic. Which is why they couldn't have had an insperation because it didn't exist."
 * This isn't real life, that doesn't matter. It's a magic fairy-tale land. Artistic inspirations aren't worth two farts, it's all aesthetics, and that's a vampire aesthetic, not French. You have yet to even prove a Nord built it and a god or magician didn't (Harkon certainly didn't), so it doubly doesn't matter. If no one gets to invent artistic styles, how did new ones show up when they didn't always exist? I've already suggested Molag Bal or another figure could have made it, and you admitted that was reasonable, but now you've circled back to "it's completely impossible" because someone challenged you. You're not worth debating if you're not going to pay attention to what has already been established.


 * Also, Redguards are black. Arabs are not. Bretons aren't monotheists and don't eat snails. The Imperial Legion doesn't practice decimation on its troops when they screw up. Obviously they're not that strict to real life, it's just vague inspirations, so saying a castle's design is INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF of your position just doesn't work.

"I don't think marble exists in Skyrim, why don't they ever use it if it does?"
 * Bethesda isn't responsible for going down a checklist of FREAKING ROCKS and making sure each one appears in the game.


 * Wait, I'm getting something on the communicator.

"In game actions don't count. It has nothing to do with lore. The programmers probably didn't think it was necessary to program him doing all of this."
 * So...they have to prove to you that rocks exist with in-game evidence, but not that Harkon has NO FREE TIME EVER AT ALL FOR ANYTHING? You're the arbiter of what "counts" now? You also don't get to talk about "lore" when you're SAYING THAT THE LORE IS WRONG.


 * Bethesda used those materials for aesthetics. They wanted the buildings to look a certain way. There aren't any quarries for any other kind of rock either, so where did the other rocks come from? Cyrodiil has mines, but there's nothing to mine in them and I don't think there were even pickaxes, does that mean Cyrodiil has no mineral resources at all? There's no marble to be found there either, so how did they make those buildings? There also aren't half as many farms as they'd need to support everyone, and no sewage systems or toilets. That must mean people on Nirn barely eat anything and therefore don't need bathrooms!

"All the missions you do in Castle Volkihar, Harkon probably has to deal with, that's what a leader does. Why would they even need a leader if not for that?"
 * He "probably" has to? I'm thinking of a word that begins with "B"...


 * And...they're not a political action group. They have barely anything to do, and each job tends to take at least a few days while minions (like the Dragonborn) run around doing things while Harkon himself does nothing. Harkon owns those people. He tells them what to do because he's stronger than them, and sticking together protects them from the rest of the world who wants to kill them. He doesn't need to do anything, he can just say "you there, go do this." What kind of medieval-style king spends his time working? It's called "leisure class." He doesn't have to do jack if he doesn't want to. This isn't evidence. It isn't anything.


 * I also find it funny it's even being debated, because nothing says Harkon himself is a painter, and nothing says Serana's face even needed to be painted, because nothing says Garan ever recognized her face in the first place! This issue is pointless because it's three places removed from an assertion that you never even proved. Don't get overconfident about the amount of "evidence" you're providing when it doesn't even affect the original claim. We could argue about how old Balmora is if you want, it wouldn't make a difference.

"My things are based off of logic and reason."
 * I'll say this again for fun. Your "logic and reason" DO. NOT. MATTER. unless you have EVIDENCE to back them up. Logical inference based on assumptions is NOT EVIDENCE. Go look it up. Even if your argument was valid (and it isn't, because it's a non sequitur), it isn't sound unless all your premises are true and supported. This is how "logic and reason" actually work. We've known this since ancient Greece.


 * Stop trying to prove yourself right. You only need to prove yourself "possibly right" by making a coherent argument based on actual evidence that's consistent with the game.


 * Every time you say "probably" or "I think" or "I don't know how," you're wasting everyone's time. Probability doesn't prove anything TRUE. Your thoughts don't prove anything TRUE. What you don't know doesn't prove anything TRUE. Those statements are fluff. They don't matter. They don't prove anything. They aren't evidence. They don't help us. They're nothing. Irrelevant. Insignificant.