Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-38.104.205.54-20140220203151/@comment-24400038-20140223025054

Dances-with-Wolves wrote:

Krow Dawnstar wrote:

Dances-with-Wolves wrote: It may not have been honourable, but it was fair. Torygg new what he was getting into, it was dirty, but Ulfric won. Naturally, the Empire was all like "HELL NAWH!" and wanted him dead because morality :P

Ulfric didn't kill Elisif because he isn't a monster. Ulfric went there solely for the purpose of challenging High King Torygg for the throne. In a way, both parties can be considered as such. Ulfric was power hungry and wanted the throne, while the High Queen and co. turned a blind eye to the honour code per se of a duel and persecuted him.

No one's perfect, eh? Really, really long subject anybody?

I personally see it as dishonorable to use a shout in a dual. When starting with the Companions, any use of magic and they automatically disqualify you. I would consider shouts to be the same category, thus should not be used in single combat for honorable purposes. (If only I posted this roughly 7 hours before you).

It was not fair. If I challenge you to a brawl, boxing terms, and when we get close I pull out a dagger and stab you in the gut, it is dishonorable and very, very unfair. The Empire refused to see it as honorable single combat because Ulfric's use of the Thu'um was very dishonorable. Well, he didn't challenge him to a brawl. Did he? And neither Ulfric nor Torygg are Companions. It was a duel to the death, everything was permitted. I don't consider Shouts as magic. It's more of a power. Like the Nord's Battle Cry, or the Argonian's Hist-Skin.

Also, since there is really no answer to this question. It's all opinion. People will see him as both dishonourable, and honourable. Which, doesn't give you permission to be a smart-ass. Unless I said "LOL u dumass getto fag ulfric am le greatest!". I gave a valid opinion and so did you. Fight to the death still doesn't mean there are not rules. VERY few Nords can shout. When you use shouts in town, guards hardly know how to descibe them("I need to ask you to stop. That... Shouting... it's making people nervous."  "Can't say I've heard any laws against... Whatever it is you're doing. But I'll lock you up if I have to.")''. The idea the late High King would know what shouts are, let alone that Ulfric could use them? Ulfric broke honor by using his Thu'um in a dual.

And, yes, Ulfric's claim is that it was a challenge (dual)