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 * --Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:52, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Visual Editor
Hey, thanks for the edits. Btw I noticed you're using Visual Editor - it causes bugs where the infoboxes get squished together and stuff. To avoid that go to Special:Preferences under the Editing tab, choose Source editor as your preferred editor, then hit save. And hopefully it'll be easier to edit with Source editor as well. --Shockstorm (talk) 22:50, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Categories
You're adding a lot of categories that are unnecessary or redundant. Please stop. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:36, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, on those 2 pages (Indaenir and Akkhuz-ri), I didn't notice that the necessary category (Online: Aldmeri Dominion Members) wasn't there to begin with. Apologies for that, it's fixed now. Anyways, generally characters shouldn't be added to Online: Aldmeri Dominion, since that's what the Members category is for. In the case of important leaders like Ayrenn, it might be worth having them in the main category, and not just the Members one. I'll ask an admin about that to see what they think is best. For the other thing, do you know if Skyreach, Nedic Wastes, and Proving Grounds are the correct subregion names? I did a quick check online but it looked like those aren't the actual names (I'm not able to check ingame since I can't access Craglorn). Anyways, thanks for letting me know. --Shockstorm (talk) 02:43, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Location differences in Online
Ah, that makes sense. Well, you don't really need to "claim" an IP, it's just the way the wiki tracks logged-out users. It doesn't really count as a secondary account, if your main account gets blocked then your IP generally gets blocked alongside it. So don't worry about that. Anyway, what are your thoughts on merging the page? —Atvelonis (talk) 03:05, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Visual Editor
Hey, I cannot help you with the Visual Editor problem, it looks like a bug to me. You should try Special:Contact and send them your problem report. — Flightmare (talk) 11:46, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Alcaire
While factually correct, the trivia point on Alcaire (Online) isn't really necessary. We normally just link to the disambiguation page near the top of the article, in this case Alcaire, which links to other uses of the name. This removes the need for a superfluous trivia point on every article and allows for a simple, standardized way to access multiple related topics quickly. And, as a rule of thumb, if someone reverts your edit it's better to leave them a message than to revert their edit back. Edit warring is no fun. —Atvelonis (talk) 04:50, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

And please use proper English and formatting. Also, don't add to the appearance sections when they don't appear in that game. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:07, July 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal, I was just wondering if you had read our messages. I might seem a bit irritable lately due to my work schedule (which is also why I didn't respond until now), apologies for that. The subregion pages are helpful, but we wanted you to do them correctly so we wouldn't have to fix the same things 20 times. I think you got the hang of it now though. Nothing is ever really deleted permanently from the wiki even if it's undone - you can always retrieve your edits by going to older versions of the page without having to rewrite it.


 * Regarding rearranging the lists of various locations, it's best to talk with others before doing so as that's a major style change. I know ESO has different classifications of cities/towns/villages etc, and it's kinda confusing. From my point of view it looked like you were rearranging/removing stuff for no reason.


 * Finally, it'd be good to give sources for the various subregion names (like in Craglorn). Just don't cite UESP or userpages, please. --Shockstorm (talk) 19:36, July 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * You're adding back categories that have already been reverted in masse. If you keep this up, you're probably going to be blocked. --Shockstorm (talk) 20:58, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

UESP images
We made an agreement with UESP a few years ago not to use each other's images, so I've had to delete the Dawnmead map you uploaded. If you can get a similar image yourself from in-game that would be perfectly acceptable. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 19:03, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Quin'rawl Peninsula
Question: where did you find the info for the Quin'rawl Peninsula you created? I saw the source you provided for the last bit, but it doesn't even include the name of the peninsula. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:38, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Categories
I suppose they're fine in some of the articles, though they are unnecessary in disambiguation pages. I know Shockstorm has already reverted these edits in the past and asked you to stop, for which he may have good reason. I suggest that you get with Atvelonis before you continue adding those categories, to see they are really needed or not. At the moment i have mixed feelings about them. The Cat Master (talk) 01:21, July 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Categories are intended to organize the article itself, so you would only add a Lore category if the article is specifically about the overall history/background of the location, not its appearance in a particular game (e.g. Tamriel). The ESO/Skyrim/etc. versions of the articles are specifically about the location in one of the games, so having a Lore category isn't necessary on them. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:36, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

"Shockstorm never gave me a legitimate reason for the categories to be unnecessary" - lol, yes I did. If you actually read the messages people leave on your talk page/give for reverting your edits, you would know. --Shockstorm (talk) 19:52, July 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * I never threatened to block you. I couldn't block you even if I wanted to as I'm not an admin. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:06, July 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's fine. And no, that's not your fault, and you weren't acting like a jerk. Best to ask Atv or bring it up in the moot if you feel strongly that the lore categories should be there. --Shockstorm (talk) 21:47, July 30, 2016 (UTC)

Referencing
Hey dude,

Great edits you have and very good pages. But, if you could add references to the pages it would help out a lot. The wiki wants to look as accurate as possible, and despite the info being correct, the references are needed for those who don't know the lore yet.

Happy editing,

Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 13:08, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Davon's Watch (Lore)
I didn't delete the pictures. I moved them to a gallery section and removed the slideshow feature, since that seemed unnecessary since you only added 3 pictures. The Cat Master (talk) 00:06, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Amaund Motierre
Hey dude,

Since you're great with all kinds of images, I'd like to ask you if you might have time to improve our Amaund Motierre page. As stated in the notice, it ''Needs more images of him in a gallery. Especially as his appearance changes.''

You're not obligated, of course, especially with having to do the DB questline and what not. But you're the first person who came to my mind. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 00:51, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Rawl'kha (Lore)
Yes, but you also created those pages; it's not a standard practice. We generally prefer to keep lore content under a "History" or "Background" tab on the regular page, because having multiple articles about the location when it isn't necessary can be very confusing to readers.

There's obviously a point where keeping everything on one page is too confusing, and that's why we separate pages based on game. But lore content can, for the most part, be included in a History section of a normal page without any confusion. Images on the lore page can be mixed in as well, or placed in a gallery. We've also been trying to phase out the (Lore) suffix for quite some time now. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:51, December 26, 2016 (UTC)

Images
Hey Vincentius,

Those lore location articles you've been creating lately are really neat, nice job. Just wanted to tell you though, that when you're adding an image to an article, there's no need to include the underscores in the filename. We'd prefer it if you'd format it like this: than this Same goes for images in infoboxes, like this:

rather than this:

The image will still appear as usual without the underscore, so it isn't necessary. Hope you understand. Thanks, —CarloV3r (talk) 13:54, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Categorizing
Hello, I've noticed that a lot of your images have been ending up on the uncategorized images page, if you could please start categorizing your images once uploading them, it'd save everyone some time. You can go here for more information on how to do this, if you don't know what category an image falls under, you can always message a patroller and other editors for help, you could also go to the chat and see if someone there is willing to help. Also, something that is very important when uploading images is licensing, for images from ESO, use the template and for images from any of the 5 main games in the series, use the  template, please and thanks! --DarkVaultBoy (talk) 17:55, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Renames
If you're going to rename pages like that, fine. But do not extend it beyond large location articles, such as cities with a long history. This is one of the ways we are distinct from UESP; our information tends to be a little less fragmented than theirs. Obviously, there is a point where it becomes too convoluted to include everything from multiple games in one page, which is why we disambiguate. However, for the vast majority of cities, lore is generally not a large enough topic to warrant its own article. So just be careful not to do this for small articles, or for things like NPCs or books, which, when possible, we purposely try not to separate. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:42, January 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * I haven't been as active lately as I would like, so I don't know if this applies to all of the pages you've moved, but from what I've seen, most of them are a reasonable length. I still don't really see the need for the disambiguation, but due to their length I won't bother fighting it. I'm not criticizing your work; instead, this was more of a pre-emptive suggestion not to go too far. We do have a lot of articles with minimal histories/background info, and there's nothing we can do about that due to a lack of information in-game. I've seen users go crazy over formatting standardization in the past, despite it often being counter-productive to readers after a certain point. So I just wanted to make sure that you know where to draw the line. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:53, January 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure renaming something like Helstrom in this format would be a good idea. There is a lot of lore, but once you take out the lore, there's very little info on the Arena page. It doesn't really make sense to fragment an article like this unless there is a lot of information that can be placed on both pages. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:38, January 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * That's true, but you also have to take into account how likely it is for such content to be added at all. Very, very few editors here have played Arena, and even fewer are willing to add content to the wiki from it. Until that content is added—thus (arguably) warranting a split—the page should not be separated. The reason we split up articles is so that readers aren't too confused by information on various topics; since the Arena info on this page is so minimal (just a lead and infobox), it makes no difference to readers to have it included alongisde the lore. The page should stay as just "Helstrom," and include the contents of both pages. You can add the Legends cards or whatever if you want too, I suppose, just to give it some more depth. But a split is certainly not necessary at this point.


 * EDIT: I know that the names of sublocations (inns, houses, etc. in cities) in Daggerfall are static, but I'm not positive if the same can be said for Arena. So it would be better to hold off on that assumption for the time being. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:51, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

Renaming
Hey Vincentius,

I saw you moved yet another piece of information to a lore article after having been told to stop by Atvelonis. I'm going to have to ask you to completely stop moving information from City by game articles to lore articles unless there is too much lore and game content for a reader to differentiate which is which. Atvelonis has already explained why you shouldn't do it, so I trust you will take his advice.—CarloV3r (talk) 18:21, January 21, 2017 (UTC)

Quotes
You only have to italicize the origin of a quote if it's from a work of literature, a song, etc. So if you're citing the origin as just "In-game description," it doesn't need to be italicized. Also, keep in mind to source a quote at the end. For example "Necrom, eastern port of the Realm..."

- Description in Arena . —Atvelonis (talk) 00:58, January 26, 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh and it's the same idea for references. They're italicized because they're books or something, not for no reason. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:16, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Lore Editing
Hi Vincentius,

Sorry for the delayed response, I've been occupied. Yes, I'm personally ok with it that way. You might want to ask Atvelonis' view on it, but I assume he's also content with it. Thanks,—CarloV3r (talk) 19:13, February 6, 2017 (UTC)

Navboxes
Hi Vincentius, thanks for adding navboxes to all those region articles. Just keep in mind that you don't need the "Template:" prefix if you're already using braces to display the template. So just is fine. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 21:17, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

Ref names
Hey Vincentius, I noticed one of your ref names was a bit obscure. While this doesn't show up on the article itself, it is a bit unprofessional to use, and can also be quite confusing for new editors seeing the article in source mode. Ref names mainly use a name that is related to its reference, or is an abbreviated version of it, so just try and use appropriate and related ref names from now on please. Thanks! - Kora Stormblade (talk) 23:02, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Yea no problem, and that's alright. I just wanted to give you a quick heads up for future instances. Thanks for understanding, I appreciate it! - Kora Stormblade (talk) 23:39, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Writing style
Hey Vincentius, thanks for your edits so far. One thing I noticed though is, when you write, you'll sometimes use a bit of a casual tone of writing, as well using contractions (i.e. don't, isn't, it's, etc.). This isn't bad, but for future pages it would be better to break up the contractions and try and approach with a more formal tone in certain areas to match other articles. Hope you understand, thanks! - Kora Stormblade (talk) 20:17, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Have a Fishy Stick!
—CarloV3r (talk) 15:13, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Member of the Month
Hey Vincentius,

Just wanted to let you know I've nominated you for this month's member of the month. Check it out here!—CarloV3r (talk) 15:21, May 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem at all, we all really appreciate the amount of time and effort you've been putting into contributing here! :)—CarloV3r (talk) 17:41, May 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Vincent, you've made Member of the Month! Congratulations!—CarloV3r (talk) 12:18, May 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Haha, you're welcome.—CarloV3r (talk) 15:02, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Support for MOTM
No problem. I genuinely appreciate the amount of work you've put into writing all those pages. You certainly deserve the award. :) —Atvelonis (talk) 17:19, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

What's Annoying
I am fairly sure the developers made Lake Amaya in Deshaan DELIBERATELY like Lake Amaya in Vvardenfell, however Vvardenfell wasnt in the game at the time. (Kind of like how Ebonheart has magical teleporting powers and moved itself away from Vvardenfell during 2nd era :P Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 20:00, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I should clarify Vincentius. I was not annoyed with you. Just the fact that they are the same thing, even though they very much are not. (I.e. Same name, very different thing). Just bugs me is all, lol. You, however, are doing an amazing job, and I hope that you continue to do so :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 22:33, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Vincent it is, then :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 00:18, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Gold Coast
Hi Vincent,

I know there's minotaurs on the Gold Coast, I've seen them myself ;). The reason I removed the image is because it's unofficial content. As we only allow official content on our articles (in-game screenshots, official concept art, etc.) I removed it. Hope you understand. Thanks!—CarloV3r (talk) 09:53, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, the article's looking very good!—CarloV3r (talk) 17:05, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

Possible Problem

 * It may appear that Lake Amaya is in, unless "Amaya Lake Lodge" is deliberately deceptive. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 00:14, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

Vernim Woods
Hello, you can access any redirect page from the "What Links Here" tool. Anyway I just created disambig page of it, so you can edit it right now. --Rupuzioks (talk) 19:15, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. --Rupuzioks (talk) 19:35, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * There used to be a link to it if you've been redirected to its destination page (looks like this), but it seems to have broken on the mainspace with the new header update. Instead, you can access a redirect directly by adding  to the end of the URL. —Atvelonis (talk) 21:40, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

Pretty much what you said. :)

Basically your use name/Novels (or whatever name you would like). Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 22:07, June 3, 2017 (UTC)

project page

 * As long as its on the user subspace (i.e. user:Vincentius/Project) its okay ... for example, User:Timeoin/Morrowind is where im currently adding notes and such for eso Morrowwind. If youd like to make it a community project on the mainspace, then it needs community support - i.e. a formal thread regarding it :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 22:21, June 3, 2017 (UTC)

Forsworn (rebellion) additional sources
Hey Vincent,

Happy to see that your contributions continue to be as fine as ever. I was curious if you knew something about the Forsworn and if you have the time, you could update or add references the Forsworn and Forsworn Rebellion pages. Or come to me with additional sources so that I can update them. Thanks in advance, I'll await your response.

Kind regards,

Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 13:40, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I used to really hate the IL but lately I've also started using it for a bit, and it's actually quite useful. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 14:05, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Alik'r
Hello, I know you are working on Alik'r lore, so I wanted to highlight Alik'r Nomads.jpg unused image. Maybe you can include it in one of Alik'r articles, if not then just add template. Thanks. --Rupuzioks (talk) 17:40, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Regions
Quick note: since articles like Bangkorai already have the category Online: Regions applied, adding Regions is overarching; "Online: Regions" is categorized under "Regions," so adding both to articles is unnecessary. (The same logic applies to the Regions categories for other games too, of course.) —Atvelonis (talk) 15:56, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Vvardenfell (Morrowind)
I've fixed most of the links to Vvardenfell (Morrowind) with the bot just now. Would you mind fleshing out the page with locations and whatnot? —Atvelonis (talk) 19:18, June 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Since this is the Morrowind-specific page, it would be a good idea to include some locations and other things that would be useful for someone interested in learning about the region as it relates to Morrowind in particular. Quests too, perhaps? Though that might be a little silly considering the entire base game takes place on Vvardenfell. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:47, July 22, 2017 (UTC)

Legends: Images
Hey Vincent,

I saw you add some images for our articles, and was wondering if you had images for the following pages:
 * Imperial Camp (Legends)
 * Emperor Titus Mede II
 * Mentor of the Watch
 * Praetorian Commander
 * Legate Rikke (Legends)
 * Priest of the Eight
 * Solitude Stalwart
 * Stormcloak Avenger
 * Inspiring Stormcloak
 * Stormcloak Vanguard
 * Stormcloak Camp

I would've done it myself, if I knew how to. Thanks in advance! Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 22:48, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

Fishystick
The Cat Master (talk) 14:19, July 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Seconded. Really fantastic amount of work you're putting into that article. It'll certainly be an FA candidate when complete. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:39, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

Heroes of Skyrim
Hi Vincentius,

Just wanted to let you know that if you're planning on creating more Heroes of Skyrim card articles, be sure to add the Legends: Heroes of Skyrim category to them. Thanks!—CarloV3r (talk) 17:03, July 17, 2017 (UTC)

Aldmer
Hey Vincentius!

I'm here to bother you! Kind of. If you've ever seen our Aldmer page (if you haven't, please do) you'd realise that it's a bit of a joke. In all honesty, I've come to see you as a bit of a master in terms of making articles sourced, accurate, and enjoyable to watch. You also tend to be able to implement most (if not all) sources.

It is for these reasons that I want to ask you on my (and the wiki's) behalf if you could improve the Aldmer page if you have time for it. I'm sure it'd be greatly appreciated, I will greatly appreciate it.

If you want to do it (or not) please let me know on my talkpage, and thank you in advance.

Happy editing, Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 23:01, July 26, 2017 (UTC)