Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-95.94.124.138-20130922100323/@comment-1470368-20140717140454

Oh, I'm well aware that the title "Ysmir" isn't just thrown around to every Dragonborn. That wasn't the point. Few special individuals have been given such a title, and even fewer belong to that name in the Talos Oversoul. The Last Dragonborn is not one of them.

It's hilarious how you assume I don't have an argument. The arrogance is shining through.

Then you have that passage from MK: "Space Gods begat Reman". I hope you noticed 'Gods' is plural, as it does not directly suggest Lorkhan's involvement but many.

Aside from that, you are now later defeating one of your own earlier arguments. YES, I am referring to the fact that neither Reman nor Miraak are Shezarrines on that Lorkhan list. As Lorkhan is also Shezarr, the Last Dragonborn (nor Miraak or Pelinal) are not Shezarrines.

Miraak "can be", but he is also the First Dragonborn. Honestly, Hermaeus Mora has a whole lot more in common with the Adversary due to his role in Skaal myth.

"Different Ideas of the Same God". Here you agree with my point again.

By Mantling Lorkhan, Talos is now a "Tower" holding up all of existence (we all know this). As Shor is Lorkhan in a way (and just like Lorkhan; is "Missing") Talos would also be usurping/mantling Shor.

(Referring to the heroes in Sovngarde): "Lol, wow dude, you really are just making stuff up.  This is just ridiculous."

^Elaborate. In what way do the ancient Atmoran/Nord Heroes residing in Sovngarde (obviously not referring to Toryyg or any Imperials/Stormcloaks) in the Hall of Valor not recognize the God ruling Sovngarde as "Shor"?

Now this I've got to hear. :3  How can you disprove that those who already reside there (including Tsun) don't acknowledge Shor?

Lorkhan's gone Missing from Nirn long before his own Heart, though it did contain divine essence of his that corrupted Dagoth Ur and gave the Tribunal their god-like powers.

''"Shor's high seat stands empty; his mien is too bright for mortal eyes." ''None of the others can see him. Do they even really know if he's there? Do any of the Heroes have a sense of time any longer? (Do they know how long it's been since last Shor resided in his own realm?)

Obviously, the dead Heroes in Sovngarde are also mortal, so they can not see him either, if the mien explanation is to be believed.