Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-1251315-20151018142559/@comment-26017205-20151019153505

So a few points...

1--- You said "the current wording of most of the policy gives the illusion that chat mods are always right (therefore, don't question them) and also gives the illusion that the chat is extremely authoritarian."

Well that aint really true because I just looked at the policy, and it says exactly this:

''>> Chat moderators are not infallible, and if you believe you have witnessed a moderator breaking policy or the points outlined above, please see the "Report rule-breaking with screen captures" section. ''

''>> If you have constructive criticism regarding another user (such as their language, behavior, or manner), the first step is to try and take this up with the person in question in a private message or talk page post. No one is exempt from criticism. ''

Its pretty clear right there. Are we reading the same document? This aint some SJW wiki and everyone knows critisism is perfectly fine. The few times I have been in chat I have spoken to even admins and didn't feel like they were "always right".

2--- Is there any point in even disucssing the obvious 'common sense' rules? Even though most people never read the official rules when they join forums, I bet there is some idiot out there who really thinks it is perfectly fine to post porn on wikia or whatever. After all - porn isnt illegal. Never underestimate how stupid people can be.

3--- "I am not going to provide suggestions until others have given their opinion about what needs to be changed." This is by far the weirdest statement to make when YOU are the one who opened this thread. So you start with "I think bullet 1, 5 and 6 is bullshit and needs work" for example. Then we all sit down and have a chat about it, come to an agreement and maybe sing Kumbaya at the end.

Based on your last reply ("don't talk about things if one random user gets offended"), I'll do some guesswork and help you out. Its rule 5, right?

'>>> 5: Discussing sensitive topics such as real-world politics, religion, etc. without unanimous consent. If someone doesn't want to talk about them, drop the subject. If these discussions do take place, they should be closely watched by a chat moderator or an admin and will cease upon request of the chat moderator or admin should they believe it's getting out of hand. '

To me, this reads like if everyone is talking about Syrian refugees or #BlackLivesMatter (for example) and it starts to get heated or veers into hate speech territory and cause major arguments/disrupt chat, then it should be shut down. Yes, yes I know... "Whut about muh Freeze Peach!!!" and all that - well thats up to the community to decide.

I'm agreeing with the others on this one. If you can't be specific, don't expect anything in return.