Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26213507-20150715194939/@comment-24075086-20150811044942

College Mage: Ferris wrote: Phantasys wrote: College Mage: Ferris wrote: Phantasys wrote: College Mage: Ferris wrote: Phantasys wrote: College Mage: Ferris wrote: Phantasys wrote: College Mage Ferris' argument is crap. The dominion could simply invade Cyrodil now if they could do so that easily. Now I don't know about that.... I think Ferris makes excellent points, and isn't too hard on the eyes either... What makes the Stormcloaks better? They're not helping the thalmor. They're actually protecting their people instead of helping the Thalmor march them into death camps. United? The empire's lost all trust the provinces had in it... I didn't ask how the stormcloaks were better (but thank you for proving my point) I asked how they expected to win, and how they plan to defend against a united Dominion when they have so much trouble with 1 legion of soldiers... You're going to point to Skald? Fine, Maven Black-Briar is a full on crime lord with no redeeming qualities. Don't even mention the Silver-Bloods as they at least had a reason to do what they did.... I WILL point to the silver-bloods... Maven Black-Briar is a full on crime lord... Just to be clear here, I was referring to your own comment "I'd take an unwilling "under extreme circumstances" helper over their attack dogs anyday." as condoning slavery, but also yes, the fact the silver-bloods use prisoners as a free forced labor camp does not help the argument you're trying to make either. Whats really ironic is I could replace "maven" with "Ulfric" and your comment; " helping nobody but herself himself and her his thugs and screwing over everyone else." would make just as much sense. I will also point out the fact we still see stormcloak supporters who are pro Talos/pro religious freedom, and still claim the forsworn are somehow below them and savage for worshipping the "wrong" gods. You're starting to sound like a Thalmor... The forsworn ruled in peace with minimal resistance save for a few prideful Nords, that is until Ulfric showed up...

"weakened" from a "slaughter" makes no sense, "slaughtered" implys there was ease, which would mean they wouldnt be all that weak. Especially if their supply lines are cut, by say, oh I don't know, losing one of its 3 nations of power.

Is it even possible for you to set aside your blind hatred of the Empire to HAVE a discussion? just for even 3 seconds? all I ever see from you is Anti-empire, and "I want to kill imperials" You obviously can't even admit the stormcloaks have any flaws, somehow the silverbloods are so far superior then the disdainful black-briars. Why don't you just go to your "in solitude" save file and go back to mindlessly murdering Imperials and leave this open discussion to people like Draevan13 who (perfect example) may not be on the Empire side, but can still admit Tullius is a good person. Keeping an open mind and the dialog going. I STILL havnt yet seen you discuss how the stormcloaks protect themselves, save for your response "they would kill eachother and then the stormcloaks swoop in and kill the remaining forces" that's a Talos damned pipe dream at best.

If you can't see the difference between the forsworn and the stormcloaks then you're a bigger moron than I thought! Talos worshippers don't sacrifice people to demonic gods where their souls will be tortured for all eternity! The forsworn rule in peace?!?!? LOL according to what? That rag written by an imperial scholar? Those books are dead wrong under a little fact checking! Braig of the forsworn in the mines says his daughter would be 23 this year if not for their persecution...Ulfric was arrested in 176...if she were 23 now in 201 then she'd be born in 178. Unless Ulfric can kill through both time and space, I've just demonstrated how full of shit the imperial propaganda machine is! Even reach natives like Boethla say that the forsworn's daedra worshipping is dangerous and crazy! Talos worshippers also certainly never took the side of MOLAG FUCKING BAL when he tried to invade Mundus!

Ulfric helps nobody else? That's hilarious! His forces work tirelessly to protect even non-stormcloak citizens from the Imperial Justiciars! Unless you're calling the common citizen a "thug"...oh wait that wouldn't be out of character for an imperial as to them the common man is a thug and a barbarian. Forced labor? Once again working prisons exist all over the world in REAL LIFE EVEN TODAY! That's hardly a human rights abuse!

Oh yes...a pipe dream...just like the chances of the imperials ever uniting tamriel again! The empire's been treating its provinces like disposable meatshields and second class citizens who are disposable at the leisure of Cyrodil for too long...actually scratch that even the Cyrodilic citizens aren't too happy with the imperial bullshit. Why don't I leave? Why don't you stop ignoring the fact that the Empire's bullshit in allowing its citizens to be murdered has yet to occur in ANY civilization and have that civilization survive for any sustainable period of time? The imperials deserve no less hate than what I give them! Once again I'll reiterate: Any nation that would allow a foreign power to slaughter its own citizens has no right to rule and must be overthrown as soon as possible!