Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-24.44.141.89-20131016215436/@comment-37110396-20181006002001

Alright, so in terms of just straight up power, which is what I believe the original question was asking, I would have to give it to Jygalag.

1. The games themselves state so, quote from Jygalag himself, below(link: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Jyggalag):

"Enough! I am beaten. The Greymarch is ended. For millennia this drama has unfolded, and each time, I have conqeured this land, only to be transformed back into that gibbering fool, Sheogorath. 

'It was not always so. Once, I ruled this Realm, a world of perfect Order. My domain expanded across the seas of Oblivion with each passing era. The other Princes, fearful of my power, cursed me with Madness, doomed me to live as Sheogorath, a broken soul reigning in a broken land.' 

''Once each era, I was allowed my true form, conqeuring this world anew. And each time I did, the curse was renewed, damning me to exist as Sheogorath. Now, though, you have ended the cycle. You now hold the mantle of madness, and Jyggalag is free to roam the voids of Oblivion once more. I will take my leave, and you will remain here, mortal.''

''Mortal...? King? God? It seems uncertain. This Realm is yours. Perhaps you will grow to your station. Fare thee well, Sheogorath. Prince of Madness."'' end quote.

Assuming he meant straight up power alone, as not only from this statement that I've garnered, but some years of playing the elder scrolls, a Daedric princes realm is basically them, if not a part of or extension of them, so if his realm was as large as he was making it out to be, then size is power. This really leans towards him. But this is just from what I have thought about, so it may not be true. The lore in ES is fluid.

Yes, I have seen a lot of you state that Jygalag was beaten by a Mortal, but hasn't a few other daedric princes?

Mehrunes Dagon in ES IV: Oblivion, although he was at 1/3 of his power in Nirn, and it was mainly the Septim Emporer dishing out the damage.

Molag Bal in ESO, in his OWN realm. Of course, the player had just been powered by the amulet of kings after sacrificing a soul for the aedric Akatosh's power. still, I see that as a remarkable feat considering one of two things. 1. Molag Bal was in his OWN realm, as I stated above, which they are at their full power in. 2. The Aedra as naturally weaker than the Daedra for the most part, having drawn the short end of the stick, and not getting out in time before Lorkhan had sapped them of a lot of their strength.

Other facts that go Jygalags way is that the player is, in just about every ES game, fated by said Akatosh, Firstborn Et'Ada of Time, who represents Strength, Stability, and Ever lasting Legitamicy. This may or may not be true, just another one of my assumptions, but I do believe in it, considering how, in Oblivion, Akatosh's Amulet of Kings is the main objective of the storyline, besides a descendant of Tiber septim, (The septims are, by the way, a form of Dragonborn, which kind of makes them somewhat related to Akatosh.)

Skyrim features you litteraly facing off against the third form of Akatosh in the end, the World Eater, Alduin. There are three forms of Akatosh, explained beautifully in the link below by Justin Deluur.

https://www.quora.com/People-say-that-Alduin-is-Akatosh-How-is-that-possible

So when you have a player who is empowered with whatever abilities they choose for their avatar, is fated by the Aedra of Time, and also has at least part of Jygalag(Sheogorath) on their side, of course Jygalag would lose to a Mortal. Not to mention that fact that his own realm is at the moment 'not' his own? It's highly debatable, but Sheogorath having been controlling the realm for so long might have weakened Jygalag.

Note that something I haven't talked about is the first quote about Jygalags being feared by the other Daedric princes, or I haven't talked about it too much. I noticed that most of you were really disputing the essence of the statement. I, for one, believe that it meant both pure power, and the power of knowledge and foresight.

Yes, Hermaus Mora may be the 'so called' DP of Knowledge and Fate, but all he really does is sit around and Hoarde it. Jygalag could really have had the title, having collected a massive amount of knowledge. Though granted that Knowledge, or at least a lot of it is burned to ash by Sheogorath, along with the formula. (Just remember that Daedra have memories too.)

In the end, it's all disputable. None of the Daedra's power is really ever completely measured. But I believe totally that, with all of the evidence I have read and played and typed here, that Jygalag is really and quite possibly the most powerful Daedric prince out of the 16. He can, for the most part, predict the future(https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1cv00z/regarding_the_great_library_of_jyggalag/ he did fail to predict correctly the outcome of the events of the hero of kvatch defeating him, or the daedric princes turning on him.)

He, pre Sheogorath, had the Daedric princes fearful and jealous of him. When do you really see a Daedric prince with the former? Never. The Latter? Extremely rare. PostSheo, I wouldn't think so much, except for the fact that he has the potential, after the Hero of Kvatch broke the curse and freed him. He could easily rise to power again. Why would the only DP who reportedly knows his true purpose in ES just roam Oblivion?

Anyways, this is my piece on it. I may be wrong on some parts so please don't be too harsh. My knowledge of ES is nerdy and extensive, but I don't pull Herma-Mora's xD.