Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-26356342-20150603200737

@Ottoman Hold: I assume you mean to make a point that I need to re-read the past entries because I'm mkaing points already discussed, but this is a back-and-fourth conversation, and I cannot omit certain points simply because it was already previously mentioned.

@Phantasys: If the Dominion had absolutely no forces left, there wouldnt be a second great war, or hell, there wouldnt even be a cold war going on right now between the Empire and the Dominion. On top of that it's widely known the Empire had no way of knowing how much of the dominion's forces they had beat back. They wanted/needed to get back the imperial city, and once they did it was abundantly clear their own forces were in no shape to continue the fight. There absolutely was a need to sign it, you just seem to ignore all the fact surrounding that need because you blindely hate the empire so much.

How about this, why don't you stop hating the empire so much, and instead come up with points about how the Stormcloaks would benefit Skyrim more than the Empire. So far, you've mentioned the Empire being corrupt, the nobles are in the dominion's pockets, everyone hates the Empire and can't wait to cecede, and that Hammerfell and High rock will join forces to stomp out the Dominion... but you've produced no evidence that would suggest any of that is true.

Lets look at it this way then... Let's assume Skyrim gains independance via crushing the Imperial dogs, sending them home with their tail between their legs... Now what? ... You fight the dominion? How? You seem to think theres NO way the Dominion can attack Skyrim, so how does Skyrim go about attacking the Isles? Cross through Hammerfell? How? Is Hammerfell going to just let Nords into their country when they've already lost lands to them in the past? Even if by some miracle, they form an alliance, how does the 2 nations of Hammerfell/Skyrim take on the Summerset Isles/Valenwood/Elseyr? Do you think the Empire is just going to say "oh that civil war was just water under the bridge, come on through"? Explain to me your idea of how this all works out, and don't just say things like "Hammerfell will join Skyrim" and leave it at that... Explain why/how they join with Skyrim. The Empire could very well attack Skyrim themselves, bitter at the loss of the nation it's troops, possibly its emperor, and out of fear Ulfric will instigate a premature attack on thier lands. Ulfric himself mentions how Skyrim can't afford a full on invasion with Cyrodiil. Another option; Does skyrim just sit and wait for the Dominion to come knocking? (pretty much exactly what the Empire is doing) Do they wait till Sourthern Cyrodiil is lost and armies march from the border? Who's to say the Dominion doesn't just do what they've been doing to recruit other nations and either "Help" Morrowind with their Argonian problem in exchange to use their border, or vice versa, assit the Argonians in exchange for their support. If you don't consider these scenarios it's likely you're in for a bad surprise.

If your only point was just simply that you love Talos, that's fine! That's a Valid reason, but don't act like the Empire is working with the Dominion willingly and just hates both Talos and the idea of freedom, when all evidence points to the contrary. ALL lore and in game evidence points out the ironic fact that both sides HATE the dominion.