Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27157999-20160710144119/@comment-28135006-20180120100849

66.66.153.5 wrote: Even though I believe that Talos is a dirty, there is a ton of evidence that he is, I go with the Imperials. Ulfric was an arrogant, power-hungry racist who used the Talos ban as a way to get power. The Empire is important in defending Tamriel, without unity, the races are far weaker against invasions from Deadra, Akaviri, and other threats. Besides all Ulfric is doing is playing into the Thalmor's plans. Power hungry racist?

Are you kidding me?

Ok, lemme break it down for you. The dark elves in windhelm are refugees, that housing they were given might not be the best in the city, but it was given, freely to an old enemy. The city opened it's gates to the very people who betrayed the ebonheart pact. But because the dunmeri culture values those born in morrowind most highly, this wasn't good enough. They were used to looking down on other races back in Morrowind, but suddenly having to earn their way to respect? Blasphemy! How dare Ulfric not give up his own palace to the mighty dunmer!

It's a lie. He gave them free housing, jobs, a place to stay when their homeland burned. And they are ungrateful as fuck about it. Look at Nirayne, a high elf living in the city, respected. Look at the bard in candlehearth hall, she's a dark elf yet no one yells slurs at her, and she is allowed outside the "slum". Hostilities between men and elves go way back, so you can expect some men would not be happy about refugees demanding the best a city has to offer. Some might be racist, but Ulfric has never said anything himself to prove that he is.

Second, the Argonians. Remember that thing I said about the Ebonheart pact? The alliance was between Dunmer, Argonians and Nords, three old enemies uniting under a better cause. But the Dunmer refused to stop taking slaves, and so the Argonians took their revenge by carving a bloody genocide up the bottom of morrowind, sacking mournhold and reclaiming their land. Do you honestly think it would be a good idea to allow large groups of people who hate eachother to intermingle? The argonians offered to do the work that the Dunmer refused, so they were given board on one condition, do not enter the city. Because the path to the docks is right fucking next to the grey quarter.

Third, no matter what race you are when you try to join the stormcloaks, Ulfric does not comment, it is Galmar that makes the remark that your intentions are not clear. Ulfric might seem like a bragging asshole at first, but take a moment to realise he gives his best, most passionate speech... to an empty court. No one can hear him but his steward and Galmar, which you happen to walk in on. Ulfric never came into this war to seek kingship, but Galmar seems to be the real mastermind behind "skyrim for the nords" and "you will be that king, you must be". He's not a king himself, but he knows he needs someone who will listen to him on the throne. The real war is not between Uflric and Tullius, but between Galmar and Tullius. General versus general, with the figurehead of a caring Jarl as their flag to battle.