Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26213507-20150715194939/@comment-26213507-20150928140134

LLamakingGod&amp;7 wrote: Blademaster Jauffre wrote: LLamakingGod&amp;7 wrote: Bronkiin

'''Mk did this part of the game. Read through his post, It should help...''' Do you have anything ingame to prove you're right or do you only have sites? Only having sites makes you wrong, since sites are speculation only. Not to forget that the Stormcloaks are aided indirectly by the Thalmor, and the Thalmor see an Imperial victory as more harmfull than an Imperial one.

If the Thalmor controlled the Empire, the Empire wouldn't be able to take any descisions, which is incorrect, please, inform yourself. Bro.

Did you read what i have typed.

He    made    this     part    of    the   game. Mk gave the Dominion and war layout to Bethesda. The logo of the dragon at the beginning of the load save menu means a dead empire.

Yes he wasn't "working" for them at that time but he made that part of the game. Whats so hard in understanding that. He already pointed out that the empire is crushed and dead.

Because of this the only cannon option would be the stormcloaks. Thats why they place the ldb in the carriage, in addition to this there is no dragonborn Emp. Its just Beths way of saying bye bye Empire.\

Did u even read the post he made?

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1ypzzk/is_there_a_reason_why_the_imperial_dragon_emblem/ MK lore? Considering their opinions as cannon? I know that stench...

Sorry Snowcat, I've go to prioritize.

Well, we're back to this again. I'm sorry but I can't read what you typed because I burst out laughing, although I know you were argueing with someone else. Landfall has not happened yet, The Empire is not dead until it is, so none of it is cannon, at least, as of yet. If you have a time machine and travel through time and find that is is cannon, then you can tell us.

The logo means nothing but a logo. The Empire is not dead yet, I don't know why people keep saying that. The Empire is limping, yes, but its not like everyone in The Empire is going to get a plague or something. They still have an army, Cyridiil is still functional, although both have been downsized and are a fraction of their former glory.

His opinion about The Empire being crushed is his own. It is not true, it is not a fact, and is not cannon. This reminds me of the last two times we had this discussion, in which the exact same thing happened. Dude, move on.

It's true the Dragon Born is set up to be on The Stormcloaks, but they still have the choice. The Stormcloaks are not the only "cannon" option. The reason why there is no DB Empire so far is pretty simple. If the DB chooses to join the Dark Brotherhood and kill Titus Meade, then they have blood on their hands. Would you want your next leader to be the one that killed the previous one to be your next?

All things considered, we have to analyze what we know. A man who killed several people, and was spotted killing Vittoria Vici and possibly Commander Maro's son. There are witnesses for at least Vittoria Vici's assassination. People will assume it was the same person or at least related to them. Don't bring up the fact that guards don't attack you later because lets be real. If Beth made it so in every city of Skyrim the guards would attack you, then the game would be a bust.

So, I believe if the DB, who regardless what they do, has been a badass, yes, but there is also the chance that they are the most chaotic evil person in Skyrim. Also consider the obvious. In a later TES game, how would they account for that many DB names and characteristics? It would be tough.

Btw here is the third part because this is getting way too long.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:875753