Board Thread:Skyrim/@comment-12599067-20130928060857/@comment-7953253-20131003222818

Oh then let's talk about Ulfric doing the same thing Tiber Septim did, about 20 years ago.

The Bear of Markarth

"You are either with us, or against us. Those were the words that Ulfric spoke as he ordered the deaths of men ,women and children. Torturing women to give up information about Reachmen living in the hills".

This is what Ulfric does to the Reachmen's kingdom that vies for independence and peace.

It doesn't matter who set foot in the Reach first. It really doesn't, because we all know who was there first. Whoever set foot in thre Reach does not give them solid claim of the land, but whoever rules over the Reach, THAT'S who the Reach belongs to.