Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-50.72.49.241-20130930130812/@comment-16835928-20151229073007

Okay, a couple things.....

1: The Stormcloaks are not racist, Proof: WHATEVER RACE YOU ARE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO JOIN THEM!!! People say Ulfric made the Gray Quarter as a way to keep the Dunmer away from the nords, but that's not true. The Gray Quarter and Argonian Ambassy were both put into action well before Ulfric took over.

2: Ulfric is not a puppet. While under Interogation by Elenwen, Ulfric was made to believe lies the Thalmor told to him involving the Great War. He was not put under a spell. The Thalmor also write that they BENEFIT from the continuation of the war, as skyrim is weakened. Not that they CONTROL the continuation of the war. Proof: The Thalmor say that a Stormcloak victory should be avoided, but if you join the stormcloaks, you can instigate a Stormcloak victory, and Ulfric won't try to stop.

3: Alot of you gave good points on what happens after Ulfric wins, but noone said anthing to what happens after the Empire wins. An entire culture would have a large part of it carved out. If you think that the Empire will be able to get back on it's feet with the Thalmor's boot on it's head, you're mistaken. The Empire will never be able to fight off the Aldermiri, especially with Thalmor embassadors and justiciars everywhere. Anyone remeber how easy it was to asasinate the empereror in the Dark Brotherhood? That is about the same amount of effort the Thalmor put into killing the entire Empire.

4: Using the voise was not cheating. That's like saying using a tougher sword is cheating. When it comes down to it, the two of them could have fist faught and Ulfric would have won. You all do have a point though, Ulfric did it to prove a point. He had to show skyrim that Torygg was not trained in their culture. He was not fit to rule.

5: Alot of people think Ulfric just wants power, but thats not true. Go talk to him, he'll say that the throne he sits on in Windhelm doesn't really belong to him, even though it obviously does. When asked if he wants to be High King, he says he only wants a true High King. When the war is won for him, He stays true to Nordic Culture and waits for the moot to decide the high king. Noone who wants to be king would allow for it to be elected democratically.

Lastly, the Empire has no respect for the Nordic Culture. No Empire would sign away an entire culture's god if they respected them. The last words Tulius says to Ulfric are rude and ignorant. He could at least learn some of Skyrim's most commonly known culture, you know, being the general there and all ""Well Ulfric, you can't escape from me this time. Any last requests before I send you to... to wherever you people go when you die...."