Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27157999-20160710144119/@comment-993964-20170208221349

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Sports72Xtrm wrote: The Empire wanted to surrender to the Dominion before the Great War. It was only Titus Mede II who rejected it while his generals said the Empire was weak and couldn't fight them. Now he's dead, there goes the only man who actually had any intention to actually counter attack and finish the war with the Dominion. He may have been a fool to sign the concordat, but at least he actually was bold enough to resist when the Dominion started showing aggression while all his advisors didn't even intend that.

As for the Imperial Jarls, I think what I've said in my previous post makes it clear what kind of two faced accomplices they are. What they say and how they act by attending parties of the Thalmor Justicars hunting their own people tells me plenty that they're decadent weak leaders with selfish motivations. I don't know where people see in them other than that, that they are anything other. 1. The Generals only said that the Legion was in a bad shape, they didn't think it was a good idea to start a war, but generals are not advisors.

2. Mede's death isn't canon until elaborated upon in TES6.

3. The only reason most of them attend the party is to make sure that there won't be some political crisis. Like Balgruuf, Tullius, Elisif, Idgrod, etc. There are only a few who are there because they like it; Siddgeir and Maven.

And if we're talking about "only caring about themselves" why not take a fine look at the Silver-Bloods, Laila and Ulfric? Ulfric cares nothing for the people, hence why he sends the guard regiment off to battle instead of solving the murders in his city. The Silver-Bloods take over mines and conspire with the Forsworn, all because they want power. And Laila would rather see herself be saved than her people if a Dragon were to attack.

Really, when comparing Siddgeir and Maven to those three, it's clear who the real selfish people are. Ulfric is a true Nord. Shor himself showed his favor by elevating his soul to Sovngaurd at the time of his death. As for his other followers, they may not be saints but their not letting Thalmor occupy their palaces, letting the elves hunt their own kind, and their power for better or worse, was earned. The Silverbloods are the richest family in Markarth, and can command power. Even without being Jarl, the Silverbloods were able to have the guard arrest you during the Forsworn Conspiracy while Igmund is afraid to act against them because they own Markarth. Fool is a weak leader who lets the Thalmor do as he pleases. Laila whatever her faults, isn't an Ulfric sycophant and does what she does because she's sensible and sees the lesser evil. And compared to Maven, Laila is the lesser evil. And as I said, they aren't accomplices to Talos hunters like the Empire.