Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-9062114-20151024212230/@comment-26440657-20151031192331

I am questioning CheckUser because, just as you doubt the IPs to be coincidence, I find it just as unlikely that a former chat Mod, with such huge experience on this Wiki would be stupid enough to go on chat:

a) knowing full well it would get him banned, and b) be stupid enough to give away that it was him while he was there.


 * IF the alt was really him: you are implying that Sajuuk cannot make mistakes and that his rage could not have impaired his judgement? There are chatmods that barely did their jobs and was considered incompetent leading to their removal of rights, chatmods are not gods, they can make mistakes during and/or after their time of service.

I also find it unlikely that all of this would happen at 3am GMT, especially as this user couldn't make the Moots when they were at midnight because that was too late.


 * there were times I could not make the old moot time because it happens in the middle of my scheduled sleep but I still manage to make it sometimes. Spending large amounts of time on the chat, I can assure you that no one has a strict schedule of when they appear on chat. There are people who cant go to sleep and decide to chat, it happens to lots of people not only on a daily basis but weekly, sometimes users are active everyday then they suddenly disappear, people do not give chat a strict schedule like what you are assuming Sajuuk has.

I also find it just as unlikely that if the account in question was a sock, this account would have been so highly active for a number of months on another Wiki. If these edits were simply to give the account validity, boy has SS gone through a lot of trouble to do it.

I also find it unlikely, while possible, that Saj has arranged a correspondence with himself on that Users talkpage. One which is full of conversations with other users, further validifying the independence of the account.


 * there was a time I experienced a glitch that rendered my account unusable, I had to make a temporary alt account so I could post and contact wikia, I made several edits on TES Wiki and other wikis during that time. Other people could have alt accounts for other/multiple reasons (like bots). An account having lots of edits on other wikis does not mean it is not a sockpuppet. The same goes for talk page responses.

From the evidence we have, some kind of ban does need to remain in place, but in the interest of integrity we must consider lowering it. Perhaps extend the Chat ban, and limit the editing ban? But that's just a suggestion.


 * for the sockpuppet, he could be blocked for at least a month considering he has been blocked several other times before, it could go longer. If you include his general behavior, all the drama/trouble he had caused and his unwillingness to change, as other people have previously pointed out he is unfit to remain in the community so the block can easily last a year, IMO.