Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-1600847-20161103125247/@comment-30317136-20161109085729

Sports72Xtrm wrote: I don't care if you think Ulfric's Thuum is a dirty trick or irrelevant, with it he was able to take Markarth from an army. Markarth is a stone fort where jarls in charge there weren't even afraid of dragon attacks. For Ulfric to take that city says something. Tullius' biggest military accomplishment is an ambush against a few Stormcloak bodyguards protecting Ulfric in an open field, without defenses, without Ulfric's army. When Aldmeri Domionion invades, they'll have an army, they'll have a strategy, they'll have magic. Luck won't win the Empire the war. The Thalmor doesn't care about your posturing, doesn't care if you think magic is a dirty trick or unhonorable; it will break the Empire because the Empire is fragile and weak and they don't want to admit it. Personally I have no opinion about Ulfric using the Thu'um. I am questioning his combat ability which he claims Torygg lacks.

1. Ulfric is a war veteran who had seen real combat. Torygg is like a boy compared to him with no real combat experience.

At a glance, expectations of Ulfric will be to overwhelm Torygg the same way he did with Thu'um using just the sword. I am not saying it is cheating or not. I can come up with far worse and I don't care about positive and negative emotions. People's support, magic, war, numbers, strategies and resources? They are just a means to an end.

You claim luck won't win the Empire the war. You are being biased and unfair. The correct way to judge base on this is looking at both sides.

A "fragile and weak and refusing to admit this" empire can butcher the Stormcloaks on the battlefield, kill Ulfric if not for luck. Hence the truly strong one is the Thalmor who can do so much despite being so limited in resources.

Empire is weaker because its full potential at the moment is lower than before after Hammerfell left. Stormcloaks is even weaker because the Empire without using its full force can capture Ulfric and slaughter the Stormcloaks on the battlefield.