Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-25121612-20130608193518/@comment-9601450-20130720162622

108.16.237.30 wrote: CatapractofOrder wrote: Ah but Jyggalagg was also overthrown because he was different then other Deadra, so logicaly neither you nor I can assum what he would do. As for your point about chaotic periods, was Jyggalagg his true self in those wars? I would think not. His return in the events of Oblivion forced the higher Deadra to consolidate their posistions fearing Jyggalagg's vengance. The war is just a coincedince that the higher Deadra will use to their advantage. And also the other Deadra are being purposely weakened by the higher Deadra. Finally, it took most the Deadric Princes to overthrow Jyggalagg, can you expect the ones not allied with the Higher Deadra to win? With no leader even?

One: Jyggalagg was overthrown because of how powerful he became, not because of his nature. He may be different from most of the Daedra, since he was likely not born of Sithis, but he's not alone, since I believe Meridia was actually Aedric originally.

Two: This means that logically there were times in Nirn's history that Jyggalagg was present. How so? Because of your use of conjecture. When Jyggalagg was turned into Sheogorath was never determined, so that argument of whether or not he was there for any of these events is somewhat muted.

Three: Which Daedric Princes are we talking about?

Four: The Daedric Princes would not likely forge alliances that inconvenience them. They're the types to wheel and deal more often than not, and more likely to squabble amongst themselves.

The thing is I'm not against the plot idea in the slightest; It's the current execution I'm reserved about. I just feel that the current direct intervention by Jyggalagg goes against how the plots and prophecies usually work in game.

And yes, Sheogorath rising up and becoming the main villain is unexpected and new. I like it. Fine points, however I did not say that him being different was the the only reason.

Indeed, but if we look when the history of Sheogorath starts we know when Jyggalagg was turned into Sheogorath.

I'm not too sure, but I've got four, Molag, Dagon, Namira, and Peryite.

The Deadra crave power above all else and they would make alliances if their goals were compatible.

And I'm not against your constructive critisim, however I am extremly stubburn when it comes to my ideas. Maybe we should reach a comprimise?