User talk:Timeoin

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== Deletion required ==

Skyrim werewolf. --With care and happiness,  Supermutantslayer450' You will know the truth... And the truth will set you free.. 01:01, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Doing it now :) Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 01:15, July 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Appears done already :P lol Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 08:03, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hi TIM
It's been awhile since we last talked, Timmeh.....glad to see things smooth as waves here on the wiki. I have NO TIME WHAT SO EVER these days to edit ANYTHING. besides I won't get anywhere here. I was good at first, but then everything got complicated. Oh well.

User:LukaSlayR13•"We've planted a seed, an ever-growing wonder to a beautiful tree. Grow. Each branch outstretched and different from the last (from the last)" 04:57, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

UESP Images
Saying "I have bigger priorities to worry about" while placing an incorrect template on our images isn't acceptable. Either delete the image or link to the correct location that I've supplied with my deletion template. Unless you start taking the theft of our images more seriously, I'll have to take this further elsewhere. –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:24, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * How is a template saying that the images are coyprighted by UESP an incorrect template? :O As for having bigger priorities... well, I am trying to bring down the number of merge pages, and I cannot do this when the new users insist on just re-adding copyrighted images if i delete them. This way, I thought that the copyright was observed, and I can get on with the work needing to be done during the merger. Do this images need removing as well? :\ Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 10:32, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * You aren't supplying the parameters so the link's don't go to the right place. You, as an admin here, have a responsibility to either a) stop your users copying our images; b) use the correct template with the correct parameters to avoid violating UESP's copyright; or c) delete the images. And please, if I post on your talk page, reply on your talk page. –rpeh •T•C•E• 13:13, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Apologies about that. Both the talk page thing (I am very stressed regarding RL issues right now, and thus am not 100% "with it") and the templates that I have been using. With regards to the options though: a isnt really an option sadly (as for every newbie I educate, there are more that come in and do the exact same thing). b) I will do - if you tell me what the correct template is? :) is it not ? And c) This is possible, however, several times, the users insist on just re-adding images (For instance, the Bloodgrass Locations map - I have deleted that about 3 times so far :\ I admit though, the parameters are probably incorrect. I apologise for this, and will correct them shortly. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 14:10, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, I have fixed that UESP template. :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 14:20, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Example: (Page currently featured on the site's main page, as an example). Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 14:23, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your Upload page has detailed instructions for filling in copyrights, and currently ends "If you just skipped past everything above to get to the part where you upload the file, your upload will probably be deleted!". Perhaps you might want to simplify the language a bit ("YOU CANNOT UPLOAD SOME IMAGE YOU FOUND ON THE INTERNET WITHOUT SUPPLYING THE CORRECT COPYRIGHT"?) and start actually deleting images that are in violation? –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:26, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

With regards to the Upload page that you linked too... that is a page created and controlled by Wikia. I have no power over that page whatsoever. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 10:33, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Since you like templates though, here is another: "Unless otherwise noted, the UESP holds and can grant no rights to the use of any protected information or materials on this site." So this would be why I encourage the use of the UESP template instead of deleting contributions. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 10:47, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Whatever. If you don't stop hosting content that violates our copyright, I'll have to take further action. –rpeh •T•C•E• 11:27, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you read ANY of what I posted? I cannot stop people from using images from your site. Even if I decide to delete contributions like you request, new editors are always going to keep doing this. I cannot prevent it, no matter how hard I try to. If there is an image there, they are going to use it. A more reasoned solution would be to use a template that attributes the source of the image, instead. That way, you get attributed as having the great images, and the newbies are less inclined to keep repeatedly uploading copyrighted images. Sure, I can delete the contributions, but this does not actually solve anything. New users are going to keep uploading images from there all the time. I dont like Gestapo tactics, though. Since you repeatedly point out out though: I checked one of the images that you have requested deletion for. The copyright status on that link that you gave says that the image belongs to Bethesda. So I ask once more ... WHY IS STATING THAT THE IMAGE CAME FROM UESP NOT PREFERABLE? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 11:48, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) You can stop it. We stop people using images from other sites, so you can too. 2) I wouldn't mind if you actually followed our copyright. You have to link to the actual image, and you haven't been doing that, despite me supplying the full URLs. –rpeh •T•C•E• 06:39, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can delete them, sure, that no problem, but newbies like stealing images from the internet :\ In the long-term, I am going to replace most of the images with self-made screenshots from our site for oblivion and morrowind. That should remove most of the temptation to steal images from your site (hopefully). With regards to the second part - yes, a few of them I forgot to link to them (I thought that the links automatically worked, since there was a link on the template). I have fixed this now as far as I can tell (If this is not the case, please let me know, and I shall remedy this). Some of the newer editors here are now taking self-made screenshots, too, like Zluhcs :) Sorry about seeming like I don't care, there is just a lot happening with real life and the merger right now :\ Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 08:12, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Sorry to keep on about this, but it's really, really annoying. We've put a lot of effort into improving our images over the past few months, and the result is that UESP screenshots keep appearing without attribution all over the Internet. Even GameInformer did it until I bugged them into giving us credit. –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:45, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its okay. I understand where you're coming from :) All I'm saying is that (unfortunately) there's no way to permanently stop them (If I could, I would). The upload page is the same on all the wikia sub-pages, and probably applies more for the entertainment and lifestyle groups of pages. I've also seen a few instances where people have taken some of these images from Geocities or some such website, and thought it was therefore acceptable to use them :s Anways - if you're happy to use the "UESP" template now that it works, that should hopefully work as a stop-gap measure until i can make non-copyrighted ones. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 07:54, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Copyright Images
Hello Timeoin! Long time, no chat! I just have a small question, and i'll keep it short; what really counts as a copyrighted image? How come some pictures of NPCs and places are removed, while others are not? Zluhcs (talk) 12:00, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey Zluhcs. I am on borrowed internet atm, so I cannot stay online for long unfortunately. :( Um... a short answer is: A copyrighted image, is one that was taken from another website, especially UESP. They have been deleted at the request of the person who made the screenshots of these images (See the above section of my talk page for the creator of these images). Our site prefers images used to be self-made screenshots where possible, to avoid this issue. (They are fairly easy to do, and do not take long to make, once you know how). Does that answer your question? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 12:05, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * So as long as a picture is taken by my self, it is not considered copyright here on this website? if i understood correctly? I am of course aware of that Bethesda owns all the rights. Though one thing that confuses me is: How can the UESP wiki "own" pictures? Have they made some sort of an agrement with Bethesda? If not, "copying" a picture from their website would just be considered "stealing", isnt it? Unless UESP wiki pay Bethesda to keep some rights? Do they, or this wiki? Hope you understand my question. Thanks for the quick reply, by the way! Zluhcs (talk) 12:34, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is correct. Bethesda has the ultimate jurisdiction over all pictures from the games. UESP "own" the pictures in the sense that they took them. Really, it should be merely a case of acknowledging the work done by them in stating that they took the images, and that the images came from that wiki, however, Rpeh (who took the vast majority of the images that appear on the UESP site) - seems to disagree with this, and requests that we remove all images (at least, unless I misunderstood him). I am trying to get further clarification about this currently. Legally-speaking though, it is a copyright breach to take images from websites without acknowledging them, so hence the copyright problems. Short version - just take your own screenshots. It saves a lot of hassles :) (But no, noone pays Bethesda). Oh, and if anyone wishes to use images from, say, THIS wiki for their own site - I have no problems with this, being, after all, a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be all about information sharing. :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 13:03, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, well thanks for clearing that up! I don't like to bring up old stuff, but is it then fine if I reupload the picture of Felgageldt Caves entrance that you removed about a month ago? I myself personally went there and took the screenshot. You might have mistaken it for the picture on UESP and therefore deleted it :) And, is there way to chat with you via microsoft messenger or something of that sort, because I have other questions about this website. Nothing classified or anything that can't be posted here, but it's just that I prefer something quicker :) -Zluhcs (talk) 15:07, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright! Lol there is nothing to "forgive", bud! Thanks for the conversation, I guess I can call it that? I feel a bit more safe knowing what I can upload and not, though I would never copy images from other websites SUCH as the UESP wiki. Once again, thanks! :P --Zluhcs (talk) 07:16, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Tertullian/Tertullius Verus
Hey Timeoin - I'd hate to waste your time with something of little-to-no significance, but if you have the time, can you merge the pages of Tertullian and Tertullius Verus? Because Tertullius Verus isn't a person - Tertullian is, and I think someone just mistakenly make a page for the former. So if you could merge them, it'd be awesome... :D

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Tertullian_Verus, and http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Tertullius_Verus. Thanks, and sorry for taking up your time! BlackCataclysm (talk) 02:11, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hah, well, what can I say? I'm pretty fickle about somethings. :P Also, how do you start a version of this wiki in another language? Because I know a bit of French, and I wouldn't mind starting it, because I know that's somewhat of a goal around here.

Re: Ood question
Already taken care of :D --Anon(Talk) 03:56, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

MoS - Minor changes
Can I meet you on the IRC sometime? I've got some questions about possible minor changes to our Manual of Style. -- 'R BlaiddDdraig WolfDragon’s Lair 03:40, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Vandal
There's been mass vandalism to the Skyrim article, 4 separate edits. Needs a rollback, undo can't do it. -- 'R BlaiddDdraig WolfDragon’s Lair 12:05, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ban these two IP addresses for a year as soon as you can for vandalism and trolling: 69.183.43.100 and 76.231.162.217. -- 'R BlaiddDdraig WolfDragon’s Lair 05:58, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hello again!
Around, I still am. Busy, beyond measure. The company I work for has been working a lot harder over the past few weeks, and free time isn't something I have a lot of these days, lol. However, I do plan on making myself much more visible on here in a little while. Especially with the release of Skyrim right around the corner. As for the categories, I'm all ears. Do you have any pressing issues, and what do you feel needs to be done? Mbjones90 (talk) 14:47, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Tim, Is there Any possible way If I or You, can Create a format for the main page of the Elder scrolls Wiki that connects to other main pages like a Skyrim only page or a Morrowing only page. I would like it to be a similiar format for the Fallout Wiki(The Vault) since It seems cleaner and easier to find things.

98.221.54.116 18:11, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oh Sorry, forgot to log in. The person that was suggesting the format thing was meBlood Reaper (talk) 18:14, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Again Tim It's Been Awhile
I haven't been around lately, so i wanted to see how things were going here on the wiki. I see many newcomers have destroyed our ranks and have risen above me....anyways, sorry if i can't be around to edit or anything, i just haven't the time these days. My spare moments are too few, and stretched way too far :O

Good Luck Tim....on anything ya do here!

User:LukaSlayR13• "I found out I'm lost, but where was I going? Oh I was trying to lose myself.... 00:27, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on the 15,000 Edit Mark...I'm a Bit Late!
congrats Tim. And good luck moving btw!

72.93.5.238 01:47, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wait not signed in.....

User:LukaSlayR13• "I found out I'm lost, but where was I going? Oh I was trying to lose myself.... 01:49, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Oblivion Wiki Merger question
Hey Timeoin! Thanks for the reply. I was just wondering when you expect the Oblivion Wiki Merger to be done. I wanted to finish and update the creatures pages. Once the Merging is done I will get started in finishing the Creature pages.

Blood Reaper (talk) 05:40, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Need help with trolls :P
So I was just trolled recently and I was wondering if there was any way to "lock" my talk page. BTW I told them If they trolled on my Talk page I would find where they live and watch them while they sleep....just something you might wanna know...

Blood Reaper (talk) 05:08, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

What In Hell Has Happened?
I see so many conflicts on here these days....for example, the copyrighted images and such. Rpeh needs to realize that since many images for the pages they're needed for are quite hard to come by, that sharing the images for fair use would be the best way to resolve the debate, though I'm sure it's done by now ;)

Quick question, if you're 12-or-so hours ahead of me, how the hell would I get you at the IRC channel?!?!?!?

Let me know. Oh and I'm sure it's about 7:00 am where you are....maybe not.

User:LukaSlayR13• "I found out I'm lost, but where was I going? Oh I was trying to lose myself.... 22:33, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ditto with Luka. Theres been so many copyright with the images. Rpeh said to get "orginal" pictures. I would love to that.....If I knew how to pics in games...

Blood Reaper (talk) 01:42, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you play Oblivion, I use the windowed mode and take screenshots that way (Its a workaround, I know, but it works :P) With Morrowind - follow Ralok's instructions here :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 01:47, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well theres a problem with that Timeoin... I kinda sold morrowind and Oblivion awhile ago so I cant exactly get any pics
 * 2. Even If I did have it I have it for Xbox only so It would be crappy quality
 * 3. I cannot afford to get the equipment to get in game pics since I am saving for Skyrim Collecters Edition
 * 4. Im pretty sure Im the only one willing to fix the creature pages so its kinda hard for me to get motivated to fix it if the pictures I put up is deleted.
 * Can you at least tell Rpeh that until someone from this wiki is willing to take an orginal pic he should just leave the copyrighted picture for awhile..
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 04:37, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4. Im pretty sure Im the only one willing to fix the creature pages so its kinda hard for me to get motivated to fix it if the pictures I put up is deleted.
 * Can you at least tell Rpeh that until someone from this wiki is willing to take an orginal pic he should just leave the copyrighted picture for awhile..
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 04:37, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you at least tell Rpeh that until someone from this wiki is willing to take an orginal pic he should just leave the copyrighted picture for awhile..
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 04:37, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki links
Hey, could you add this:    

... to the bottom of the main page? Those links will link the main page to the Elder Scrolls wikis in different languages.

I'd add it myself, but the page is sysop protected :( Thanks --Anon(Talk) 19:01, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ood reference is Odd ;)
 * I asked the staff to enable InterWiki links to three more ES wikis (Czech, Norwegian and Portuguese). So could you add these links to the mainpage:

  


 * You can alphabetize them too, if you want to :) --Anon(Talk) 17:26, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I moved this discussion to the bottom since you seem to have missed it :P --Anon</tt>(Talk)</tt> 23:08, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Err... oops. What did I miss? :O Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 07:40, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia Statistics
WikiaStats is a page that collects all the statistics from the wiki. You can find more info here.

P.S. I just noticed that I've got admin powers here :) Now I need to find a good use for those powers :D --Anon</tt>(Talk)</tt> 14:30, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see now :) I was also a little confused by the 'dashboard' at first, but now I think that it's great, and the new design makes it much easier for inexperienced admins to customize their wiki, since it gives them easy access to all the important tools.


 * As for admin powers. I wouldn't mind helping around here without those powers, but having them makes my work a lot easier :) also, it's always nice to be an admin on the wiki I'm editing :D --Anon</tt>(Talk)</tt> 15:19, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Renaming pages
Greetings, admin! :)

I was looking at the Iron armor page when I found out that there are two pages with very similar names; Iron Armor and Iron armor. The capital letter "A" is the only thing that is preventing people from mixing two pages from two different games with each other. I thought about changing the Iron armors page name to Iron armor (Oblivion), and Iron Armor to Iron Armor (Skyrim)- At least this way people will manage to find what they are looking for much easier.

But I encountered a problem, when I was in the process of renaming the Iron armor, I clicked the Help:Moving pages where it clearly states that there is a "move" option when clicking the "edit" button. Sadly I did not see any "move" option, so I was wondering if it only is visible to admins? If not, I would highly appreciate if I was taught how to rename pages, so that I can do it by my self.

I just wanted to be 100% sure about this before proceeding.

Thanks,

Zluhcs (talk) 03:58, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

person
hey person

your posts are annoying in the photos for skyrim...

Page pictures
Thanks for your reply! Luckily I was already aware of the little arrow next to the "scribe" button (lol). But there was no "move" button, so instead I just renamed the pages, and I hope the results are good.

There is one other thing I would like to ask you: I am aware of the "large" amount of pictures taken from other websites, here on this wiki. Therefore, since I have got a couple of weeks before school starts again, I would gladly personally replace all those pictures with self-taken pictures. That is if I am given a list of all "stolen" pictures (to increase speed of the process). I heard (read) you had a discussion with something about a UESP template. If I am given a list of all images that got that template, I could try to replace those pictures with my own.

My computer for some reason won't install The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, for some reason, despite my computer being pretty "well equipped". hehe :P. So I am only limited to The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. But of what I am aware of most pictures that have been "stolen" are of the game Oblivion.

Hope you take my offer in consideration. I have only got a few weeks left till school starts :)

--Zluhcs (talk) 14:39, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, good sir! All the character and place pictures in Oblivion- consider it done! As for the map-pictures, I am not very clever with the contruction set (I have only made my own house and small things like that), so I that I cannot promise you anything, but I will at least try. I can also try to make my own version of the picture with the various types of swords, but it will take some time. If there are any more pictures need to be taken, just leave a list on my talk page and I'll get it done! It is very late here where I live, so I'll start taking those pictures first thing tomorrow! :) --Zluhcs (talk) 02:00, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * A small question; Does the character pictures have to exclude conversation texts, or is it fine to have it in the picture? For example pictures with characters saying "Yes?" and their name displayed in the corner of the screen. Is it fine or should I try to only capture the models? :P --Zluhcs (talk) 18:41, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, I have now uploaded "a couple" of images. Only the map- and a few other quest related items and characters remain. I will try to take images of the quest-related-characters/items in Oblivion, but it will take some time.
 * I understand that you are going through turbulent times and therefore want to make clear that there is no haste in giving me a list of pictures to take- I can wait for as long as required :)
 * In the meantime I will continue with my "everyday chores" here on this wiki :) --Zluhcs (talk) 06:08, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Elder scrolls Layout
Hey Timeon, Just wanted to give an Idea for the future layout for the main page. I drew a complicated sketch(which took me an hour to perfect) unfortunally I cannot post it right here since my camera wont register the pic for some reason...probabily because I spilled Ice Tea on it. Anyways, I thought of putting the main page backround simply all the styles of all the games. For example Morrowind with the Golden and bright look, Oblivion with its Dark feel of Daedra, and finally Skyrim with the sense of Awe but is at the same time has the mysterious and Epic look. You can either Blend that together or..... The main page has Main Categories going by games. Then when you click on the game your looking for, it would have its own style and each Game or "category" you pick will have a different feel to it like the one I suggested earlier. Just make it simply Clean and not too complicated. Also you can leave the news on the side, I like the easy access to it.

Blood Reaper (talk) 02:49, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Hey how's it going timeoin

Another Thieving User
You might already be aware, but please keep your eye on this. Large-scale use of uncredited UESP images is simply not acceptable. Since the user appears to be uninterested in what I have to say, please can you tell him the rules. Hopefully, as an admin here you will have better luck. –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:36, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Since this user has made it clear he isn't prepared to listen at all, I request you take action as soon as possible. –rpeh •T•C•E• 21:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I dont want to sound like I hate Rpeh or anything or Kidtragic is my best friend but I have read their arguement through Kidtragic's page and Kidtragic has clearly found a legal loop hole to the USEP wiki pages debate. Rpeh is mostly ignoring the information he found and acts like their Is no debating of the USEP wiki and is acting like he's right.
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 22:39, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 22:39, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Blood Reaper" is another user who has violated UESP copyright by uploading images that have since been deleted by Timeoin, I'm not interested in his views on copyright law. –rpeh •T•C•E• 23:30, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * First you threaten one of the users. Make a huge arguement. Probabily didnt bother to even read it. Insult the user and even threaten one of the other admins? THEN you tell me your not interested in copyright laws when he clearly shows evidence of a simple loop hole? THEN you even say that USEP is superior to This wiki on the admins talk page? I can easily so you have personal goals of banning EVERYONE that simply doesnt agree with you.... Ya know what...... Im not even gonna bother you. People like YOU are just another annoying troll wanting to be superior than the rest.
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 23:44, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 23:44, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no loophole. Since you can't spell, I don't expect you to be able to understand that. Either give UESP credit or don't steal our images. It's that simple. –rpeh •T•C•E• 23:48, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * And I see that you now Threaten of banning the whole website? Are you that immoral? You seriously have an issue with yourself because your threatening everything and everybody today.
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 23:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC) Oh look Now you even insulted me? I can see your very unproffessional
 * Don't ever ever insult someone intelligence on this wiki, I don't care if your the popes mother dont EVER do it again. Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 23:55, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't ever ever insult someone intelligence on this wiki, I don't care if your the popes mother dont EVER do it again. Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 23:55, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't ever ever insult someone intelligence on this wiki, I don't care if your the popes mother dont EVER do it again. Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 23:55, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * @Blood Reaper: I'm not the one stealing another person's work. @Kacj321: who are you talking to? Your lack of indentation makes it unclear. I don't see anybody insulting another user's intelligence - just the appalling spelling that seems to prevail around here. –rpeh •T•C•E• 23:59, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Complaint about Rpeh
Okay, Timeon when your done with your outside life and check your wiki please read this. Earlier today there was an arguement brewing between the users Rpeh and Kidtragic. Later on there where many replies between them and Rpeh asked to deal with the issue. I read the arguement and it seemed fairly simple but, Rpeh did insult Kidtragic. Later on I replied back and he even insulted me. So in a summary, he basically threatened Kidtragic, threatened Kacj of even banning him...even though he's admin, insulted me and Kidtragic, and even said that USEP wiki is superior than this Wiki. The worst part is that he even threatened to Ban this whole Wikipedia! He's acting very immature and acting like he's far superior than anyone else. I have complaint to either talk to Rpeh and deal with this whole issue. Im basically done talking to that guy since he's acting like a complete very immature.

Blood Reaper (talk) 00:04, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think I need to say much here. My complaint is simple, and you've dealt with it before: this site keeps using images taken from UESP without appropriate attribution. Now you and I have managed to deal with this in the past, but in your absence, other users who don't seem to understand the real world have stepped in. I hope that you're enjoying whatever you're doing and will be back soon to clear this up. –rpeh •T•C•E• 00:09, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * My complaint isnt about the copy right images. I already know the rules about that. I havent even added any images at all from the USEP wiki. My complaint Is about YOU not the copyright law or anything. Your acting very immature and I would like an admin to talk to you about how you should treat others throughout this wiki.
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 00:19, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blood Reaper (talk) 00:19, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Complaint against Rpeh
Hi my name is Alex im pretty new to this wiki but i know my way around pretty well. So i edited somethings and added some pictures. I guess on accedent i posted a picture from UESP. A day passes and i get a message from a user named rpeh he says i stole the image and i should look at UESP's Copyright and Usage page, so i did and found a loophole in their copyright and fair use agreement (im not going to go into it but if you wish i will on a diffrent message) I wrote the user rpeh back to tell him these major flaws and to reasure him i was well within my boundries (i also stated in that re post that i didnt want to cause an argument or trouble) He wrote me back saying the same thing ignoring everything i said and started to beggin threataning me. I thought to myself maybe he didnt understand or i need to be more specific... so i looked over the information i gathered and responded to his hurtful post with a very long (i think it was around 7 or 8 paragraphs) message stating why im within my boundries and why i technicly didnt do anything wrong..... I am going to copy and paste it to this message so please bare with me :) ...

This is what i wrote him..... I can see you completley botched what i said and asked... + Refering to this: Just to be really, really clear here: you do NOT have the right to upload images from the Internet under your own name. It's dishonest. Make your own images and upload those instead of passing off the work of others as your own. ..... I havent said that it was my work and that im passing it as my own... ITS BETHESDA'S you do not own any of the pictures on UESP even if you took those pictures once they are posted in a public domain they arent yours. According to the...Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 Generic (CC BY-SA 2.5) we are free to to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work + First, you’re harassing Kidtragic. Once you see a copyright image tell one of our admins and then the admin will contact the user who uploaded the image. Please don't threaten our users with banning: it’s not your job, it is ours. Second, Tim is not on the wiki right now, he busy moving in real life. I'm the only active admin at this moment. Finally, I've talked to Kidtragic, and he says he didn't know how to add templates to show that the image is from the UESP wiki. He asked you only how it was possible for the UESP to own take a image when it is taken in a copyright game. Anyhow, I'm going to deal with this issue, and talk to Kidtragic. - to make commercial use of the work. As long as we give credit to the the author or the licencor... Bethesda not UESP. One thing is you didnt take EVERY picture on UESP and even if you did whats in the pictures is Bethesda Licenced content its not yours... its not ours... its Bethesda's. Let me give you an example.... A new screenshot of a Altmer comes out Bethesda posts it, UESP takes it and puts it on there page we see it we take it from you guys. You do not have the right to take down the picture it is not yours it is not ours its is Bethesda's. I have looked over the "Fair Use" agreement. We have the right to Fair use too! In August 2008 U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel of San Jose, California ruled that copyright holders cannot order a deletion of an online file without determining whether that posting reflected "fair use" of the copyrighted material. You state that you have copyright rights on the material in your website... fair use applies only to copyrighted works, describing conditions under which copyrighted material may be used without permission. If a work is not copyrighted, fair use does not come into play, since public-domain works can be used for any purpose without violating copyright law. Your website is a public domain any content is public! We can use it blow joe can use it. As long as we state its from YOU, or BETHESDA just beacuse its not UESP thats getting credited dosent mean its "breaking the rules" Quoted offf UESP: The content of UESP is licensed freely under the Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License (also called the by-sa license). This means that you retain ownership of any contribution you submit to us, but you permanently license the right to use it to this site. The by-sa license is a copyleft license, meaning the text of the articles can be copied, modified, and redistributed as long as the new version acknowledges the authors of the article and grants the same freedoms to others. So what this says is it can be COPIED and MODIFIED as long as we state the authors and give them credit.... UESP is made up of users just like us the users write the articles so if anything we should give them the credit... Again quoteed off UESP...The copyright of a particular edit is owned by the user who made the edit... NOT UESP. Yet another quote from UESP...Secondly, there is the control of the site. As it is said below the "Save Page" button of every page, you allow all of your contributions to UESPWiki to be edited, altered, or removed by the community. If you don't want your writing to be edited, then you do not need to submit it here. Therefore, the community of UESP has the authority and control over most of the content on UESP.... Its the communities work of UESP not UESP itself. A US court case in 2003, Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation, provides and develops the relationship between thumbnails, inline linking and fair use. look that up if you want.... Im going to repeat myself one more time UESP and all of its content is PUBLIC. Its a public website and domain therefore anyone can use your images and/or text. The UESP logo and website is the property of the creator: Dave Humphrey. He made UESP a public domain. And again your work may be copyrighted and you may have some rights reserved but if it is Copyrighted and falls under a public domain its can be Copied/Altereted/Sumbited by other people, websites, or organizations for non-profit activities. I will give you this : (quoted from UESP) Copyright information must be added to the image description of every image. Screenshots and logos from Bethesda and their games are copyrighted by them, but we are allowed to host them under United States law's "fair use" doctrine. Images licensed under our license or those in the public domain are preferred. <<<< you see that last word there :) it says prefered. Its prefered by UESP that we give them the credit but its not nesscacary... as long as we give credit to Bethesda. :) UESP follows the same rules. Also i would really apreciate it if you wouldnt harrass the community on Elder Scrolls Wikia. UESP's copyright policy is clearly explained in the link I provided, and should answer most of your misconceptions. I've found the Bioware site from which you took the images and have contacted them separately. < remember when you said that? I feel a hint of Threats in there but maybe thats just me. I would gladly credit UESP if we had to but according to your own link its only "prefered" and where ever you got the idea that i was saying i took these images and there mine! is obviously not true I and this website give all credit to Bethesda Softworks. Im sure you didnt take the time to carefuly read what i posted but again.... UESP and Elder Scrolls Wikia are great websites and this is not a Legal, copyright, or Fair use argument this is starting to be a Fued between to competing websites. And i have talked to an Admin about this argument and he said it was fine. So please stop harrasing people on this wikia withought knowing the truth. I will debate more with you but it seems poinless... but never-the-less i will if you come back with a good enough statement. Thank you kindly :)....

That is what i wrote him ^ and he came back and basicly ignored everything i wrote and basicly said i was taking credit for the images (which i wasent) that he was going to get me banned, and that i need to learn how to indent my paragraphs. I found that offensive that he didnt consider anything i wrote and threatened me with being banned. At this point i have already decided i was not going to continue the argument because it was poinless. Now during this three day episode i was telling my friends and fellow Elder Scrolls Wikia Contributers including an admin Kacj321 all bout this little argument. They agreed with me that it was unfair and not right so both Kacj321 and Blood Reaper wrote him back... Of course they both got the same results... Threats including rpeh commenting on how Blood Reaper couldnt possibly understand this argument due to his spelling errors. < Both me Kacj321 and Blood Reaper found this very very appaling and mean. I don't want to make this a huge message (though it already is) but something has to be done about Rpeh he is harrasing and threatinig the Elder Scrolls Wikia community and he completley ignores anyone elses feelings and counter arguments. I hope you can understand and i give you my thanks for atleast taking the time to read this... hope you can solve this problem affecting many in the Elder Scrolls Wikia.

Thanks :)                   Kidtragic (talk) 00:34, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

here to help.
Hi Tim, I'm new here but I really want to help make this Wiki better than the UESP. The people here are much more friendly and helpful. I really want to help out.

Wikia Calender
Can you set up a wikia calender like the one here at the Ben 10 Wiki? Thanks! TheBen10Mazter (Talk -Blog -Contribs)  21:37, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

hey timeoin really sorry i havent been able to help out with posting on things with skyrim i had a lot going on in my family and i havnt had time to do really anything but i now have internet at home so if you know of anything at all that you neeed me to do let me know and ill get to work on it ~a box without hinges key or lid yet inside golden treasure is hid~ (talk) 23:21, September 16, 2011 (UTC)Fyren92695

Chat
Hello, did you disable the WikiChat? Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 12:55, September 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was disabled because IRC has more features, has a better connection, and was here first. If people take a few minutes to learn the basics, they will find that out. If you want to know more, sign into the IRC channel and I'll explain it to you in greater detail. And revert your edit on the Main Page, the link was put on there to make the IRC channel more noticeable. Putting it under the Community tab, which links to the page which links to the IRC is not proper advertisement, hence why people don't often find it. -- 'R BlaiddDdraig  Enter...  THE SCARY DOOR  13:52, September 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just noticed it at the bottom of the page, Tim should've removed that. Though the more obvious one should be kept, which is the one you removed. Soon the link will be changed into an image link though, the writing is only temporary. It will look much neater and more professional. -- 'R BlaiddDdraig  Enter...  THE SCARY DOOR  13:58, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Categorization
Hello Timeoin! It's good to see you've come back! Some things have changed since you were here last time, such as the homepage and wikia chat (I think :P ).

I just thought I would give you information on why all pages should have game-related categories, such as Oblivion: Characters, Morrowind: Females, Daggerfall: Locations, etc.

Over the past months I've been on this wikia, I have seen very many categories that contain maybe only 1 page, and never get used again. That is what I am trying to avoid happening by making it mandatory to have a category that clarely states which game the item, character, quest, etc, is from. By typing: <Game>, followed by a colon, I.E "Oblivion:", it brings up a small list of "Oblivion:" related categories, which will make categorizing much easier for people. It will also put a stop to new users adding unnecessary categories to pages just to get achievements, which is very destructive to the wikia.

Many, if not all, of the "Top 10" gaming wikias and other gaming wikis, have a very good category-system, and I believe we should look at their system for inspiration.

Also, the game-specific categories makes things much more systematic, and it also looks better. Good categorization is needed also because of the new homepage-portals. That is why I've spent time trying to add game-related categories to all the pages on this wikia.

I hope to see this system come to life before Skyrim is released, as a new reform in the category-system here is very definitely required. Please message me if you have your own opinion, or some questions.

Once again, welcome back! :)

Zluhcs (talk) 06:35, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

PS: Wouldn't it be better to have both the IRC and Wikia chat available? I sometimes prefer the wikia chat to gain "quick" access. Also the Wikia chat seems more active than the IRC at some points. I am aware of the difference in features. But I still believe it would be good to have both chats. Also, sorry for so much text :P Zluhcs (talk) 06:49, September 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * (Replying here so that others can see it as well) Well, with relation to categories, very few Wikis use colon as an organisation system. Most categories should be linked by a main game category, i.e. the Oblivion category, which then lists Oblivion locations, etc. That would still show up when searching for categories and things. That would work much better than using colons, which makes wikis more confusing. I've seen it happen on other wikis. I'm happy to open the question up to the community though, if it helps. Secondly, with regards to the IRC and Wikia Chat thing - the only reason the IRC wasnt very active was because I was away from it, and Wikia Chat was promoted more. And IRC is more accessible once there is a direct link (i.e. the image link). Its just a personal preference, really though. I guess I just dislike that we have all these wierd changes fostered on us, without a choice. Maybe thats just me. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 08:18, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Chat again
Did you remove the chat again >: ( also can you atleast let me make a bar for the IRC channel because the one there is ugly. Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 08:32, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back, you don't know me, but I've been on this site eversince Skyrim was revealed as an anon.

About the edit on the locations page, is Markath site a major city? Since on the map, it's written with a small name, like other small towns as riverwood. Though it looks pretty big.

Lolzzzman (talk) 18:20, September 22, 2011 (UTC)Lolzzzman

Re: Hey, um...
Firstly, it's really great to finally have you back :D

Zluhcs already explained what's been going on with the categories. But just to add my two cents, I think that we really need to perform an overhaul on our categorization system. So, maybe we should start a community discussion about this. Cheers --Anon</tt>(Talk)</tt> 06:01, September 24, 2011 (UTC)