Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-30011802-20170217032502/@comment-31436340-20170327144137

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Seeing as one of the moons orbits the other one, and the moons in turn orbit Nirn, it will happen at some point in time. Basic astronomy.

"Indication", it doesn't matter if there's an "indication", you need cold-hard evidence. Hence why the police is also only allowed to search a house if sufficient evidence is gathered.

We have records of two spies. No other ones. Therefor, we can't claim that there are others, unless if it's stated there are others. Who on earth says that they use additional spies? The things the Thalmor document are either things that are observed by they themselves (aka, Elenwen and her bodyguards at Helgen) or things that traveled through the land; news. And, we still have Gissur, who could have informed them about those things.

Your argument doesn't add up. The Markarth Incident was staged between Ulfric and the Thalmor, nothing to do with spies, unless if you were to call Ulfric a spy. Seriously though, your argument does not, by any means, add up. Basic astronomy or not. I said already. There is no indication that the next line of events that will happen includes Masser and Secunda crashing onto Nirn. When I say "List of how things will happen next" not what will eventually happen.

I am talking about the next step. For example. Things that can be included in "How things will happen" after the Civil War ends is either the Thalmor manipulate High Rock to cause trouble for the Empire or another war with the Aldmeri Dominion will occur.

I've mentioned there is no way to telling how the spies are faring before.

To be frank, claiming my statement doesn't add up it doesn't mean anything to me, I am not giving arguments, I am giving a fact through observations if you cannot keep up with what I just said, there is no point in coming to talk to me about something you cannot understand. It is best to leave it to Terawolf or someone else who can. You can leave now. What I am about to say next has nothing to do with you Jauffre.

For those interested in less conventional conversation in the topic. Don't get intimidate into thinking this is some kind of bullshit or hocus pocus crap. It is really something very simple.

All I said was via use of the following.

1. The Empire and Aldmeri Dominion may signed a truce in WGC, they are still in a state of cold war that can break into a Continental/Great War again at anytime. If you need me to spell out why that they need spies, huge numbers and extremely well-trained ones to ensure they can stay ahead of their enemy (for both sides) I am sad to say, you can go away now, this has nothing to do with you just like Jauffre from above.

2. From the Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak, it was stated that the Thalmor is keeping a very close watch on the Civil War because they want to ensure it continues to be in stalemate. To achieve this, they need a lot of information including those the Empire and Stormcloaks don't want you to know plus you also need to have means of... I am assuming you are on the same page I will not touch on this.

3. To accomplish the point above they need spies. Both sides and a massive number on top of it. Thalmor had 2 spies who died while carrying out their duties during Skyrim when the Dragonborn caught wind of their tracks. But, there is another issue to why 2 is simply far too little to accomplish what the Thalmor or Empire needs.

4. It is simply impossible for 1 or 2 spies to gather information on the situation of 9 Holds for the Thalmor concurrently to operate towards their goals. It is physically impossible and doesn't make sense. A simple gauge for Skyrim in the lore perspective: Skyrim should not be less than 602,000 km² and no more than 1,100,000 km² in size. That means average Hold size is no less than 60,000 km² in lore, give and take.

Just looking at Skyrim alone, they have 9 Holds and two forces fighting. There should be 1 Head, likely Elenwen overseeing everything, she should have at least 6 people providing support to their field agents.

If that is the case, to be able to physically gather information for Elenwen to have a good view of the big picture of the situation and send secret aid to the Stormcloaks and justify it in her report to her Thalmor Superiors back in perhaps Summerset Isles, shouldn't they need at least 9 spies on the field so that Elenwen knows every important things that is happening as quickly as possible.

To be honest I think having 9 is insufficient, they should have at least 18 on the field.

In this case, they should have a spy agency of 25 man strong.

(Talking about Empire next)