User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20171103

>Likes: Knifes metal - Girl Must like Knifes and Metal YOU: Ahh got it, and I believe the most reasonable thing to do would be to get a spanish moderator You 4 minutes later: I might leave, unfortunately that is the cost of doing things operating ethically. Of course it would change my experience And if it did, and I put english. It wouldnt say that I was not allowed there because I didn't speak german And if it did, and I put german. It wouldnt say that I was not allowed there because I didn't speak english? Thus implying that the quality of that information is already distorted regardless of the language that it was written in >is fucking them >Bout tree fiddy
 * 00:15:41: Atvelonis: hello
 * 00:17:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 00:20:17: Sakaratte: Hey Atvel
 * 00:20:45: Sakaratte: I was hoping you'd pop in
 * 00:28:07: Atvelonis: Well here I am :)
 * 00:28:14: Atvelonis: If slightly slow to respond haha
 * 00:28:21: Sakaratte: Its all good.
 * 00:28:42: Sakaratte: first, sorry if I caused a bit of scene for you guys.
 * 00:29:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what did you do?
 * 00:30:09: Sakaratte: I was making inquiries about something that came up on our /d board. Its a cross wiki drama thing
 * 00:31:17: Atvelonis: No worries, didn't cause anything negative on our end
 * 00:32:02: Sakaratte: I'm glad to hear that at least.
 * 00:32:38: Sakaratte: I'm guessing you have seen some of the fun we have been having with sock puppets on our end
 * 00:33:25: Atvelonis: hi
 * 00:33:30: Jr seriel: Hey
 * 00:33:40: Atvelonis: I only skimmed through that conversation but yeah, socks are never much fun
 * 00:34:10: Sakaratte: Just a little. Fandom is ready to do a range block if need be,
 * 00:35:25: Atvelonis: I wasn't around to see it, but the worst sockpuppetry affair we've probably had was Jigsaw back in ~2013
 * 00:35:36: Atvelonis: Something like a hundred accounts
 * 00:35:49: Sakaratte: Ouch >_< not even we have had that
 * 00:36:45: Nekyn Alb: Hay
 * 00:37:43: Jr seriel: Hey nekyn
 * 00:37:54: Sakaratte: It might be worth keeping an extra eye out over here for a little while. As far as we can tell Mr. Quickscoper and ArgentPrime are the main accounts.
 * 00:38:09: Atvelonis: Did you change your avatar? Your mitochondria or whatever that is looks a bit more orange than usual
 * 00:38:16: Atvelonis: @nekyn
 * 00:38:18: Jr seriel: It is halloween theem
 * 00:38:21: Jr seriel: themed
 * 00:38:31: Atvelonis: @Sakaratte: I'll keep an eye out
 * 00:38:35: Nekyn Alb: Pumpkin slug
 * 00:38:56: Sakaratte: Alright, fingers crossed they get bored.
 * 03:18:00: Jr seriel: Hey
 * 03:19:01: RenzXVI: hi
 * 03:24:31: Jr seriel: some folks on discord are weird
 * 03:25:07: RenzXVI: I've seen weird people everywhere.
 * 03:25:33: Jr seriel: Very true
 * 03:26:12: RenzXVI: The weirdest people I've seen was from here.
 * 03:26:23: RenzXVI: But probably because I've spent more time here.
 * 03:26:56: Jr seriel: Ahh that would make sense
 * 03:27:08: Qahnaarin1997: I'm probably one of the weird ones.
 * 03:27:23: RenzXVI: Nah.
 * 03:27:34: Qahnaarin1997: Then I haven't accomplished my goal.
 * 03:28:00: RenzXVI: Well, you got involved with Kya and she's my favorite drama queen.
 * 03:28:08: Qahnaarin1997: Renz, what's the difference between a baby and an onion?
 * 03:28:16: Qahnaarin1997: I regret that to this day. lmao
 * 03:28:30: RenzXVI: You don't cry when peeling a baby?
 * 03:28:42: RenzXVI: it's the baby that cries.
 * 03:28:44: Qahnaarin1997: No one cries when you cut up a baby.
 * 03:29:18: Qahnaarin1997: And getting involved with her probably ranks as one of my top "Fuck ups" thus far in my life.
 * 03:29:22: Jr seriel: I might cry watching it
 * 03:29:36: Qahnaarin1997: Renz, what about that Atheal chick?
 * 03:30:01: Jr seriel: what do you mean you got involved with her?
 * 03:30:34: RenzXVI: She's probably the most superstitious on the wiki. But I liked Kya more.
 * 03:32:08: Qahnaarin1997: Don't worry about it.
 * 03:32:57: Jr seriel: Wouldn't she most likely live far from you. How does that work
 * 03:33:23: RenzXVI: Long distance relationships exist.
 * 03:33:32: RenzXVI: I've been in one for 5 years.
 * 03:34:27: Jr seriel: Oh how very nice! Do you guys visit each other often?
 * 03:35:09: RenzXVI: Not often, she's from a different country. XD
 * 03:35:36: RenzXVI: but I'll be migrating there soon, and it will be permanent.
 * 03:35:48: Jr seriel: Oh congratulations!
 * 03:36:25: Qahnaarin1997: >Name: RenzXVI
 * 03:36:37: Qahnaarin1997: Renz's entire dating profile.
 * 03:37:37: RenzXVI: Lol, I was a mod/admin on several metal sites, it wouldn't be hard for me to find any girl with similar interests with me. But I don't do that. :p
 * 03:38:49: Jr seriel: Jeez, some of the stock trading discords are super profane
 * 03:39:29: RenzXVI: stock trading? Lol
 * 03:39:55: Jr seriel: Yeah, do you not?
 * 03:42:29: Qahnaarin1997: He turned it down when 1 bit-coin was worth over 5 grand at the time. lol
 * 03:43:21: Jr seriel: oh? never trust cryptos though
 * 03:44:35: KINMUNE: Hello there, RenzXVI!
 * 03:45:04: RenzXVI: He just probably doesn't know what he would do with it. Like my friend who got paid with a gold watch that was likely stolen. XD
 * 03:45:06: Jr seriel: Alittle late KINMUNE?
 * 03:45:16: RenzXVI: She refreshed, probably.
 * 03:45:35: RenzXVI: So she'd start greeting anyone who reconnects.
 * 03:45:49: Jr seriel: lol these two guys are basically telling each other that they think they are better at stock trading than the other
 * 03:50:05: RenzXVI: http://store.steampowered.com/app/489020/iGrow_Game/ interesting farming game.
 * 03:50:56: Jr seriel: I'll fight that game
 * 03:52:19: Jr seriel: So. Who was the first dreamer? And what set this kalpa process in motion?
 * 03:59:02: Qahnaarin1997: That's a DOPE game. Get it?
 * 04:11:54: Jr seriel: fight
 * 04:16:47: KINMUNE: Hello there, Qahnaarin1997!
 * 04:42:18: KINMUNE: Hello there, Jr seriel!
 * 04:51:44: Jr seriel: hey
 * 05:48:44: Jr seriel: lol one of the skyrim condition variables in the kit is isonXbox
 * 05:54:30: Jr seriel: i just want a isbashing condition why does this have to be so difficult
 * 06:00:04: Jr seriel: oh wow there is one, it is just hidden
 * 07:03:22: Jr seriel: I think it should be mandatory on here to speak in the language of the dovah
 * 07:03:33: Jr seriel: would be a very interesting and slow couple of hourse
 * 07:03:40: Jr seriel: hours*
 * 07:04:28: KINMUNE: Hello there, The cheese lord of nirn!
 * 07:04:46: Jr seriel: Tinvaak Ko Dovah Los Kul
 * 07:05:18: RenzXVI: It's actually not allowed.
 * 07:05:29: Jr seriel: Yeah I know. It is in the terms to speak english
 * 07:05:34: Jr seriel: bummer though
 * 07:06:04: Jr seriel: Also why is that a rule?
 * 07:06:10: Jr seriel: just curious?
 * 07:06:39: RenzXVI: Because people are going to understand each other better if they use the same language.
 * 07:06:59: KINMUNE: Hello there, NelothCanisRootTea!
 * 07:08:00: Jr seriel: Well sure just seems slightly discriminatory
 * 07:10:41: Jr seriel: I remember at my last employer, one of the supervisors almost got sued for saying something along the lines of please use english when speaking with everyone even folks who are of the same native language
 * 07:19:13: RenzXVI: Yeah, because it will offend the nonexistent race of dragons that we have on chat.
 * 07:57:20: KINMUNE: Hello there, Appelmonkey!
 * 07:57:29: Appelmonkey: Heya~
 * 07:57:35: RenzXVI: Hi
 * 08:13:23: Jr seriel: I thought the rule covered more than just dragon language?
 * 08:13:45: RenzXVI: Yeah, English only.
 * 08:17:25: Jr seriel: Yeah I got that. And I am saying it is linguistic discrimination
 * 08:19:29: RenzXVI: Have you seen chats that aren't focused on language learning/interpretation that allow all languages in the same area?
 * 08:20:43: RenzXVI: And have you seen chats that ARE focused on language learning/interpretation?
 * 08:21:59: Jr seriel: Of course
 * 08:22:08: RenzXVI: To which one?
 * 08:22:43: Jr seriel: Are we talking wikia chats ? Or more serious platforms
 * 08:22:53: RenzXVI: Any place.
 * 08:24:09: Jr seriel: Before I state that. What do you mean " focused on language learning/interpretation"
 * 08:24:36: RenzXVI: Chats that are meant to speak other languages for a reason.
 * 08:26:51: Jr seriel: oh, sorry I didn't see that you asked two questions. I suppose I have seen both.
 * 08:28:00: Jr seriel: One the one chat I remember seeing where they spoke different languages for a reason would have been an online chat associated with learning spanish and then many years later in learning italian
 * 08:28:12: RenzXVI: Do they have sections were people can speak only some languages but not all and a separate section where they can speak all?
 * 08:28:44: Jr seriel: No formal section boundaries, no
 * 08:29:34: RenzXVI: Well, I was on the Language Brigade Wiki and their chats on other platforms, and other language and linguistics servers and they have separate rooms for each language and one room with all languages allowed.
 * 08:30:00: RenzXVI: It reminds me of how there's an English TES wiki, a German TES wiki, Russian, Spanish etc.
 * 08:30:05: Jr seriel: Honestly, this is the first "chat room" service I think I have ever used
 * 08:30:19: Jr seriel: wait let me reframe that
 * 08:30:28: Jr seriel: This is the first recreational chat room I have used
 * 08:31:04: RenzXVI: ok.
 * 08:31:30: RenzXVI: Going back to what I mentioned, why do you think most of those have languages separated?
 * 08:31:44: Jr seriel: For easier understanding
 * 08:32:04: RenzXVI: Then you actually understand, I assume.
 * 08:32:23: Jr seriel: actually understand what?
 * 08:32:37: RenzXVI: Why languages are separate.
 * 08:33:35: Jr seriel: You are speaking on some dangerous historical precedents
 * 08:33:58: RenzXVI: I have no idea what you just meant.
 * 08:34:23: RenzXVI: It seemed like you agreed with me and then you are suddenly taking it back.
 * 08:34:45: Jr seriel: Alright let me try to clear up the misunderstanding
 * 08:36:15: Jr seriel: This concept of seperated resources is well trod and is constantly brought up in a lot of education debates
 * 08:36:38: Jr seriel: The wikia would be considered a resource yes?
 * 08:36:47: RenzXVI: It looks like you are about to make this more complicated. You were already at a point that you agreed.
 * 08:36:56: Jr seriel: Says who?
 * 08:37:25: RenzXVI: Says you, when you said "For easier understanding".
 * 08:38:11: Jr seriel: I never said I agreed though. It is obviously easier for someone to read their native language to learn more about a given subject
 * 08:38:22: Jr seriel: However
 * 08:39:38: Jr seriel: Just because it is easier, doesn't mean that non-native folks want to be forbidden from accessing another language's resources
 * 08:40:58: Jr seriel: Even moving away from the educational material/resources(While you can argue that the chat is educational)
 * 08:41:41: RenzXVI: Again, I have no idea how your last sentence is relevant.
 * 08:42:01: RenzXVI: Let's just go back to the fact that there's an English TES Wiki, Russian, German etc. Do you see the benefit of that and do you think that's good or not?
 * 08:42:41: Jr seriel: Then disregard it, I didn't finish my thought. And sure those are good to some capacity
 * 08:43:00: Jr seriel: idk if i would use 'good' it is 'helpful'
 * 08:43:43: RenzXVI: So why do you think majority of wiki sites, websites etc choose to have separate language tabs?
 * 08:44:07: RenzXVI: It's safe to say that majority of people prefer things to be separate.
 * 08:44:13: Jr seriel: Well it is legally required in most cases
 * 08:44:50: RenzXVI: I can't even tell if you disagree or not, you keep jumping to varied reasons to both agree and disagree.
 * 08:45:06: Jr seriel: I am not trying to agree of disagree.
 * 08:45:29: Jr seriel: This is not supposed to be an argument really
 * 08:45:50: RenzXVI: It isn't. I was trying to give you examples so you could decide if it was useful by yourself.
 * 08:45:56: RenzXVI: But your replies are conflicting.
 * 08:46:31: Jr seriel: By the way; this is the kind of statement that i was getting at which is a historical precedent issue
 * 08:46:32: Jr seriel: It's safe to say that majority of people prefer things to be separate.
 * 08:46:41: Jr seriel: sorry "It's safe to say that majority of people prefer things to be separate."
 * 08:47:14: RenzXVI: What is your point in that
 * 08:47:23: RenzXVI: I was pointing at fact.
 * 08:47:41: RenzXVI: Which you agreed with because you said it's legally required.
 * 08:47:49: Jr seriel: In america, you have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
 * 08:48:12: Jr seriel: Another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson
 * 08:48:27: RenzXVI: I think you are confused.
 * 08:48:37: RenzXVI: We are talking about language, not necessarily race.
 * 08:49:14: Jr seriel: Right but you just said that; "It's safe to say that majority of people prefer things to be separate."
 * 08:49:41: RenzXVI: Don't you know how to read context?
 * 08:50:00: Jr seriel: you specified context by using the noun; "things"
 * 08:50:12: KINMUNE: Hello there, RestlessDraugr!
 * 08:50:16: RenzXVI: I keep giving you examples regarding language, why would you think I would randomly switch to race?
 * 08:51:14: Jr seriel: Seemed like you were alluring to bigger generalization, if that was not your intention, then I regress
 * 08:51:19: RenzXVI: Oh, so because I didn't specify language right after I gave wiki languages as an example, you had to assume what you wanted to assume?
 * 08:52:11: Jr seriel: of course not. Thank you for clarifying
 * 08:53:47: RenzXVI: I'll just move on to mechanics then. If people went to this English chat instead of the Russian one and they saw everyone talking in Russian, what do you think will happen?
 * 08:54:26: Jr seriel: Depends on their intentions I suppose
 * 08:54:44: RenzXVI: Yeah, it might not be their intent to speak English on the English chat.
 * 08:55:26: Jr seriel: How is this mechanics?
 * 08:55:50: RenzXVI: I was going to point out moderators next.
 * 08:56:16: RenzXVI: How will staff on a German wiki do their job if someone came in and did Spanish language content?
 * 08:56:59: Jr seriel: Ahh got it, and I believe the most reasonable thing to do would be to get a spanish moderator
 * 08:57:23: RenzXVI: Then what's the sense for the Spanish wiki?
 * 08:57:38: RenzXVI: Why not put the content there?
 * 08:57:51: Jr seriel: Ease of use
 * 08:57:56: Jr seriel: and Ease of Access
 * 08:58:25: RenzXVI: Then they won't call a Spanish mod? They will direct the person to the right wiki? Is that what you are saying?
 * 08:58:52: Jr seriel: Can you restate that please?
 * 08:59:10: RenzXVI: What do you mean by ease of use/access?
 * 08:59:48: Jr seriel: the "easyness" of utilizing a resource == ease of use
 * 09:00:00: Jr seriel: ... accessing a resource == ease of access
 * 09:00:46: RenzXVI: So which is easier between what we said? Trying to figure out Spanish on a German wiki or just redirecting that to the Spanish wiki?
 * 09:01:01: Jr seriel: Of course It is easier to redirect
 * 09:01:08: Jr seriel: ahhh i see the area of confusion
 * 09:01:11: RenzXVI: Then you have just done another contradiction.
 * 09:01:20: Jr seriel: ahh but I am not contradicting my point
 * 09:01:40: Jr seriel: I apologize for where my point may have gotten misconstrued, let me try again to clarify
 * 09:01:50: RenzXVI: ME: How will staff on a German wiki do their job if someone came in and did Spanish language content?
 * 09:02:28: Jr seriel: Yes but that is not really the issue that I am having, again please let me clarify
 * 09:03:23: Jr seriel: The area that I feel is causing confusion is more along the lines of. If i may? You think I am challenging the 'usefulness' of having resources seperate by the languages they are written in. While I saying that it is discrimination to "forbid" the use of certain languages regardless of its apparent usefulness
 * 09:05:09: RenzXVI: So when wikis have separate versions for languages, does that also count as "discrimination"?
 * 09:05:30: Jr seriel: no, it only is when a certain user is forbidden on another
 * 09:05:43: Jr seriel: for speaking a different language
 * 09:05:45: RenzXVI: Then how is that different on chat?
 * 09:06:15: Jr seriel: Because I don't get kicked off of the wiki because I speak a different language
 * 09:07:14: RenzXVI: People usually get warned first. It's rare to kick/ban someone for other language use.
 * 09:07:57: Jr seriel: Rare still means it occurs correct?
 * 09:08:41: RenzXVI: Yes.
 * 09:08:57: RenzXVI: But I don't see how that's discrimination, English is still preferred.
 * 09:09:36: Jr seriel: It crosses the line however, when you disallow people from speaking different languages regardless of preferences
 * 09:10:08: RenzXVI: The chat already has very few people, what do you think will happen if people started using their own languages?
 * 09:10:38: RenzXVI: How would moderators even handle their job if they can't tell what people are talking about?
 * 09:10:55: Jr seriel: Who knows? I assume nothing would really change honestly. The administration would have to change to allow for that.
 * 09:11:03: Jr seriel: That is the only thing
 * 09:11:47: RenzXVI: Really, if you went on an English wiki and saw people talking in a language you don't understand, you'd really stay there?
 * 09:11:58: RenzXVI: And it wouldn't change your experience?
 * 09:12:08: RenzXVI: And that admins would allow that change?
 * 09:14:01: Jr seriel: I might leave, unfortunately that is the cost of doing things operating ethically.
 * 09:14:09: Jr seriel: Of course it would change my experience
 * 09:14:30: RenzXVI: Then once again, you are stating contradictions.
 * 09:15:10: Jr seriel: I apologize again for the misunderstanding.
 * 09:15:24: Jr seriel: I am not contradicting myself I believe though
 * 09:15:28: RenzXVI: It's funny how that works... So allowing people to use whatever language is ethical but at the same time, it is what will divide people and cause misunderstanding.
 * 09:16:07: Jr seriel: yes essentially
 * 09:16:10: RenzXVI: You: I assume nothing would really change honestly. The administration would have to change to allow for that.
 * 09:17:37: Jr seriel: I was approaching the latter question as if I was coming here for the first time. The former question's answer was more generalized regarding the current members and types of conversations
 * 09:18:58: RenzXVI: Why do you often have varied viewpoints for the same topics/points?
 * 09:19:36: Jr seriel: Explain please? If I can answer somewhat prematurely, it is because I am trying to look at different perspectives
 * 09:21:13: RenzXVI: We are trying to avoid further confusion but you keep on switching perspective whenever you want to.
 * 09:22:32: Jr seriel: Who is we? And specifically, what were my varied viewpoints for this topic?
 * 09:22:58: RenzXVI: I assume you and me would want to avoid confusion.
 * 09:23:05: Jr seriel: Well of course
 * 09:23:22: RenzXVI: I already said what your varied viewpoints are, it's the current topic.
 * 09:25:09: Jr seriel: They are different topics though. The first viewpoint was on the 'usefulness' of having seperate language chats or resources. I stated that it was useful. The second view point was on the legallity of restricting users based on language from participating in the chat. Which i stated that is linguistic discrimination
 * 09:25:39: RenzXVI: Not that. The later topics.
 * 09:26:03: RenzXVI: Like how you changed opinion in 4 minutes.
 * 09:26:48: RenzXVI: And you explanation was because you had 2 viewpoints for the same scenario (split by 2 questions) which I had.
 * 09:26:52: Jr seriel: Ok. If i was a newcomer to the site and the chat dialogue was a myriad of different languages, It would seem difficult to try to get a foothold in the chat and I may not want to waste the effort.
 * 09:28:18: Jr seriel: Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your outlook though. Most people here speak english and would probably continue speaking english regardless of a rule change, thus why I stated that things would not change much other than the allowance of differnt languages and the administration change associated with that
 * 09:28:50: Jr seriel: Was the second viewpoint, correct?
 * 09:30:16: Jr seriel: Disregard "was the second viewpoint, correct?"
 * 09:30:53: Jr seriel: I hope I clarified things?
 * 09:32:36: RenzXVI: Just that statement has contradictions, in my opinion... If people will stick with English then what's the point in having another language allowed if it's not going to be used or not intended to be used?
 * 09:32:56: Jr seriel: because it is discrimination
 * 09:33:31: Jr seriel: Most online communities state that they are trying to be all inclusive
 * 09:33:40: Jr seriel: I believe this one does too if I am not mistaken
 * 09:33:53: RenzXVI: Not for languages.
 * 09:34:26: RenzXVI: And it still doesn't make sense because you already said separation of languages on the wiki is NOT discrimination but it's somehow discrimination when on chat.
 * 09:35:39: Jr seriel: Ok. Again, it crosses the line when you disallow the users
 * 09:35:52: RenzXVI: But it's the same thing on the wiki.
 * 09:36:00: Jr seriel: When I go to the german wikia. It does not ask me what language I speak.
 * 09:36:32: Jr seriel: And if it did, and I put english. It wouldnt say that I was not allowed there because I didn't speak german
 * 09:37:25: RenzXVI: That's a hard example because non-English wikis usually still allow English.
 * 09:38:03: Jr seriel: Can you restate that one more time please?
 * 09:38:08: RenzXVI: That's the reason why earlier I didn't use English when using two wikis as an example.
 * 09:38:47: Jr seriel: Can you give me an example
 * 09:39:21: RenzXVI: English is the international language which most people know. So English is borderline permitted when contacting someone on a supposed-to-be non-English wiki.
 * 09:39:33: Jr seriel: Sure
 * 09:39:48: Jr seriel: I don't understand, what is the point
 * 09:40:27: RenzXVI: I was saying your example is harder to use.
 * 09:42:00: Jr seriel: Are you saying the mirrored side of my example is not correct?
 * 09:42:08: Jr seriel: So..
 * 09:42:22: Jr seriel: To use the exact lines as above
 * 09:42:23: Jr seriel: When I go to the german wikia. It does not ask me what language I speak.
 * 09:42:26: Jr seriel: whoops
 * 09:42:29: Jr seriel: disregard that
 * 09:42:49: Jr seriel: When I go to the english wikia. It does not ask me what language I speak.
 * 09:44:59: RenzXVI: I am not exactly sure how the rules would work but they definitely won't allow varying language for articles.
 * 09:45:15: RenzXVI: Might be the same for forums.
 * 09:45:49: RenzXVI: But Talkpage might have exceptions.
 * 09:46:19: Jr seriel: That is an excellent point. Although as you pointed out, talkpage, and most likely chat may have exceptions
 * 09:48:16: RenzXVI: I mostly mean you are definitely allowed to be there, but you might not be able to post content.
 * 09:50:20: Jr seriel: Are you trying to mirror that argument here too. Where users on chat are not forced to participate. That is a good argument, however the integrity of the information on the chat is of way less importance and fidelity than what is posted on the article pages
 * 09:51:39: Jr seriel: Thus they are not dilluting the quality of information here since it is rather distorted just by the very nature of the chat
 * 09:52:14: RenzXVI: You already said you wouldn't stay here if people used other languages.
 * 09:52:29: Jr seriel: right
 * 09:52:30: RenzXVI: Are you going to contradict that now?
 * 09:53:52: Jr seriel: Again, I really don't think I contradicted myself earlier. But please explain how you think I am contradicting myself now
 * 09:55:38: RenzXVI: You agreed that you wouldn't understand chat if people were using another language. Now you say other languages won't dillute quality of chat.
 * 09:56:14: RenzXVI: So people leaving chat because of other languages being used does not count as diluting quality?
 * 09:58:07: Jr seriel: First of all. I was trying to make an argument for your case. Secondly..
 * 10:00:13: Jr seriel: The nature of the value of the chat is based on intentions. Some people come here to learn, others to chat.
 * 10:01:01: RenzXVI: What does "I was trying to make an argument for your case" mean?
 * 10:01:10: RenzXVI: The second thing you said isn't relevant to languages.
 * 10:01:21: Jr seriel: When I said "Are you trying to mirror that argument here too. Where users on chat are not forced to participate. That is a good argument, "
 * 10:01:38: Jr seriel: and
 * 10:03:11: Jr seriel: Well yes it is. If i came here to find a community who was like minded, I may stay and try to communicate with folks who are again, like minded. If I come here for information, then the integrity of the information is distorted because it is not, ammendable, or reviewable.
 * 10:03:30: Jr seriel: Thus implying that the quality of that information is already distorted
 * 10:04:13: Jr seriel: That second point was stated very well let me revise it
 * 10:04:55: RenzXVI: it's a different topic from languages.
 * 10:05:17: Jr seriel: If i came here to find a community who was like minded, I may stay and try to communicate with folks who are again, like minded, regardless of the language spoken. If I came here for information, then the integrity of the information is distorted because it is not, ammendable, or reviewable.
 * 10:06:15: RenzXVI: That point is very flawed, you are practically anything can be allowed because the messages will not be viewable at later times.
 * 10:06:31: RenzXVI: practically saying anything*
 * 10:07:05: Jr seriel: No, I am saying that once I publish a comment, I cannot edit it or have the community edit after it has been published
 * 10:08:15: RenzXVI: What's your point with that?
 * 10:09:25: Jr seriel: So where in the articles the fidelity and integrity of information is paramount, and a language would be key to maintaining those aspects. In chat, fidelity and integrity is fundamentally incapable of being prominent, thus adding different languages doesn't really affect that aspect of chat.
 * 10:10:07: RenzXVI: You are talking about lasting effect but it also affects the now.
 * 10:10:28: RenzXVI: Of course it affects chat when it happens.
 * 10:10:36: Jr seriel: Clarify please?
 * 10:12:07: RenzXVI: When someone comes on a chat and sees a language he does not understand, he might leave and not come back regardless of if chat will have English later.
 * 10:12:47: Jr seriel: True, so what?
 * 10:13:16: RenzXVI: Are you serious? You now resort to that?
 * 10:13:37: Jr seriel: resort to what? I asking, what is your point?
 * 10:14:00: Jr seriel: **am
 * 10:16:29: RenzXVI: I was giving an example that it's not really relevant if posts on chat aren't permanent.
 * 10:16:46: RenzXVI: The same rules mostly apply as on the articles.
 * 10:17:09: Jr seriel: I am saying the type of medium that chat and articles are different
 * 10:17:27: RenzXVI: I know.
 * 10:17:41: RenzXVI: I am saying it doesn't really make a difference.
 * 10:18:31: Jr seriel: Okay i think I can frame this alittle easier.
 * 10:19:27: Jr seriel: Also what I am about to say is not a contradiction as I stated this earlier. Having an English only chat is easier
 * 10:19:38: Jr seriel: However, it is not ethically correct
 * 10:29:20: Jr seriel: It was pleasure speaking with you RenzXVI. I do apologize if this conversation went in circles, or if made it needlessly difficult. Again, a pleasure. Till next time
 * 10:41:37: Jr seriel: Actually I am going to move onto the fence about this topic after reading stackexchange's dilemna witht this topic
 * 12:21:22: KINMUNE: Hello there, BronzeAir!
 * 12:21:43: BronzeAir: Hello KINMUNE
 * 12:21:54: BronzeAir: How are you
 * 12:50:38: KINMUNE: Hello there, Gbrid!
 * 13:50:33: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Beautiful Princess Ashley!
 * 13:50:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hello chat
 * 14:15:37: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Crusader of Truth!
 * 14:15:50: The Crusader of Truth: o/
 * 14:16:55: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 14:17:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: how are you?
 * 14:19:47: Qahnaarin1997: Hey Crus
 * 14:20:31: The Crusader of Truth: I'm good, I have a 4 day weekend so I'm happy, how are you?
 * 14:20:56: Qahnaarin1997: 4 day weekend? How did you get that?
 * 14:21:32: The Crusader of Truth: Exams are today and Monday but if you meet criteria you don't have to take them or go to school
 * 14:21:53: The Crusader of Truth: In my case, I'm a senior who's missed three days but I have a 90+ in all of my classes so I don't have to take any of my exams
 * 14:22:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's my birthday today
 * 14:22:19: The Crusader of Truth: oshit happy birthday
 * 14:22:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: thx
 * 14:23:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: not having to attend exams is crazy
 * 14:23:54: Qahnaarin1997: Happy birthday
 * 14:24:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: thx
 * 14:24:50: Qahnaarin1997: Or should I say, happy tearing your mother a new one day!
 * 14:25:19: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ?
 * 14:25:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what's tearing a new one?
 * 14:25:35: Qahnaarin1997: During child birth the mother can get torn up
 * 14:25:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah yes
 * 14:26:00: Qahnaarin1997: In the vaginal region and I've heard near the asshole, too.
 * 14:26:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i think my mom is fine though
 * 14:27:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: at least, she seemed pretty fine when we were visiting Kyoto today
 * 14:27:40: Qahnaarin1997: Ashley, you know how I have beef with Hades?
 * 14:27:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: maybe she was secretly enduring pain from a ripped up vagina
 * 14:27:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ?
 * 14:27:52: Qahnaarin1997: He made shit even worse in discord xD
 * 14:27:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah yes, that hades
 * 14:28:04: Qahnaarin1997: I hate Hades from Kallenbear chat
 * 14:28:16: Qahnaarin1997: That miserable fucker.
 * 14:28:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what did he do now?
 * 14:28:40: Qahnaarin1997: Tried to deny what he said, then said he did it.
 * 14:28:58: Qahnaarin1997: I took photos and sent them to Dale and Yeti
 * 14:29:31: The Crusader of Truth: did you argue in the middle of my christian discord server
 * 14:29:38: Qahnaarin1997: Nah
 * 14:29:41: Qahnaarin1997: Fuck those
 * 14:30:03: Qahnaarin1997: I would totally post some serious metal in them lol
 * 14:30:05: The Crusader of Truth: >christians are inferior
 * 14:30:20: The Crusader of Truth: shameful
 * 14:30:57: Qahnaarin1997: Yeah, slave owners thought black people were too. They still fucked them both literally and metaphorically.
 * 14:31:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: fucking those inferior to you is quite common
 * 14:31:42: The Crusader of Truth: still shameful tho
 * 14:32:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: if i ever fuck someone, it will be someone inferior to me bc i'm the most amazing person in the world
 * 14:32:35: Qahnaarin1997: Crus is bitter because he can only fuck inferior people to him. Everyone else is superior to him.
 * 14:32:44: The Crusader of Truth: u rite
 * 14:32:55: Qahnaarin1997: That only left one person and she's in jail now, right?
 * 14:32:59: Qahnaarin1997: Or some shit
 * 14:33:36: The Crusader of Truth: Nah, for some reason the family gave up suing even though she convinced him to kill himself
 * 14:33:43: The Crusader of Truth: Oh, and she took their dog lmao
 * 14:34:06: Qahnaarin1997: Fuck, they must have really hated their son and dog.
 * 14:34:13: The Crusader of Truth: ^^
 * 14:34:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what's this about?
 * 14:34:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: someone talked someone into suicide and stole a dog?
 * 14:34:53: Qahnaarin1997: >How much was your son's life worth?
 * 14:34:57: Qahnaarin1997: >Tree fiddy
 * 14:34:59: The Crusader of Truth: One of my previous relationships
 * 14:35:02: The Crusader of Truth: >Tree fiddy
 * 14:35:12: Qahnaarin1997: >Yeah, we was gonna give it to de lochness monster
 * 14:35:19: Qahnaarin1997: >Oh I see, I see.
 * 14:35:48: The Crusader of Truth: lmao
 * 14:36:27: The Crusader of Truth: Semi-ironically I'm actually seeing my girlfriend today
 * 14:36:34: The Crusader of Truth: So much for my ex being the only inferior
 * 14:37:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: crus, seeing your hand today is nothing special
 * 14:37:21: The Crusader of Truth: (fire) (fire) (fire)
 * 14:40:00: The Crusader of Truth: tbh you guys are roasting the shit out of me this morning tho
 * 14:40:22: The Crusader of Truth: I mean it's not really an accomplishment but still
 * 14:41:51: Qahnaarin1997: Tbh, it's not hard to roast you.
 * 14:42:12: The Crusader of Truth: I mean I literally roast myself half the time
 * 14:42:16: The Crusader of Truth: It's really not
 * 14:42:22: Qahnaarin1997: I could say something like "You're retarded" and that would still be a good roast.
 * 14:42:37: The Crusader of Truth: Okay that's not a good roast
 * 14:43:05: Qahnaarin1997: For your standards, it is, and somewhat true.
 * 14:43:28: Qahnaarin1997: FFS you dated a chick who convinced someone to kill themselves.
 * 14:44:18: Qahnaarin1997: I'm joking, Crus.
 * 14:44:26: The Crusader of Truth: Qah I kno dis
 * 14:44:26: Qahnaarin1997: So don't take that too seriously.
 * 14:44:33: The Crusader of Truth: Just you need to step up yo go
 * 14:44:35: The Crusader of Truth: *game
 * 14:45:04: The Crusader of Truth: I roast myself harder than that
 * 14:45:14: The Crusader of Truth: If I was a spice I'd be damn flour
 * 14:46:29: Qahnaarin1997: Flour is nice. You can make cake and cookies with it. That shit is good.
 * 14:47:10: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: flour is essential to life
 * 14:47:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: mostly bc cookies are
 * 14:47:27: Qahnaarin1997: Right, because fuck water
 * 14:47:34: Qahnaarin1997: plain ass tasting liquid
 * 14:47:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: water is useless. coca-cola tastes better anyways
 * 14:48:06: Qahnaarin1997: ^
 * 14:48:49: Qahnaarin1997: It was better when it was made with cocaine tho
 * 14:48:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
 * 14:48:57: The Crusader of Truth: >there's water is coca-cola tho??
 * 14:49:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nonsense
 * 14:49:12: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: water is see-through, coca-cola is black
 * 14:49:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: thus, there can't be water in coca-cola, or else it would be see-through too
 * 14:50:23: The Crusader of Truth: but it's 88% to 99% water
 * 14:50:27: The Crusader of Truth: look it up lol
 * 14:50:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: fake news
 * 14:50:56: RenzXVI: I am too poor, I have third world cocacola which is water with dark brown food color.
 * 14:51:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: coca-cola is not water
 * 14:51:18: The Crusader of Truth: look it up tho
 * 14:51:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the internet is full of lies
 * 14:51:41: Qahnaarin1997: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vus0tOIgdTk
 * 14:51:43: KINMUNE: The best part of waking up is cocaine in your cup!!!
 * 14:51:48: The Crusader of Truth: u rite
 * 14:52:36: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: for example, it claims donald trump is currently the most important person in the world, but i am more important
 * 14:54:17: RenzXVI: The most important person in the world, is Emma Watson because people keep saying that if everyone dies and they get trapped on an island with only one person, it would be her.
 * 14:55:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nah, fuck her
 * 14:56:05: RenzXVI: Exactly!
 * 14:56:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
 * 14:57:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she's kinda attractive, i'll give them that, but she's a whiny bitch
 * 14:57:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: and i prefer asians anyway
 * 14:57:42: RenzXVI: Yeah, I also dislike her. XD
 * 14:59:52: The Crusader of Truth: Gotta go, will be back in like 10 hours
 * 15:00:02: RenzXVI: The other popular girls I dislike is Megan Fox, she's been old news since 3 Transformers movies ago... Then Scarlet Johanson, I only like her voice, especially as the snake in The Junglebook.
 * 15:00:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: Megan Fox was mostly liked for her boobs i think
 * 15:00:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: then she had them amputated
 * 15:03:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i know very little about Scarlet Johanson
 * 15:05:11: RenzXVI: I think you mean Angelina Jolie with the boobs thing.
 * 15:05:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: oh
 * 15:05:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i always get those movie people confused
 * 15:05:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they're all the same to me
 * 15:06:07: RenzXVI: Nah, Angelina Jolie looks way worse than Megan Fox to me.
 * 15:08:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm not even sure which ones those are
 * 15:10:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: just looked up pics, i find neither of them attractive
 * 15:12:51: Qahnaarin1997: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
 * 15:12:54: KINMUNE: Ape With AK-47
 * 15:13:02: Qahnaarin1997: This is truly great.
 * 15:17:56: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hello
 * 16:34:06: KINMUNE: Hello there, DarkVaultBoy!
 * 16:34:09: DarkVaultBoy: i'm zombo
 * 16:34:11: DarkVaultBoy: grr
 * 16:34:12: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 16:34:20: DarkVaultBoy: Oh hey ash
 * 16:34:23: DarkVaultBoy: long time no see oof
 * 16:35:02: DarkVaultBoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3MEcpOG4Yg
 * 16:35:03: KINMUNE: The Science of Disease: World War Z (2013) vs. Contagion (2011)
 * 16:36:54: RenzXVI: I kinda liked Contagion, World War Z was only kinda good for the action.
 * 16:37:33: DarkVaultBoy: same
 * 16:37:40: DarkVaultBoy: Contagion was also much more tense
 * 16:38:29: Qahnaarin1997: Contagion, I think I've seen it.
 * 16:39:08: DarkVaultBoy: It was about 6 (or 7?) scientists trying to cure a bad boi
 * 16:40:33: RenzXVI: You know what film crosses both of those films? The Girl With all the Gifts.
 * 16:40:52: RenzXVI: They use a mutated Cordyceps as an explanation.
 * 18:14:03: KINMUNE: Hello there, Nekyn Alb!
 * 18:14:06: Nekyn Alb: Aloha
 * 22:11:23: KINMUNE: Hello there, Josetrujillo!
 * 22:11:33: Josetrujillo: sap fuckers
 * 22:31:47: KINMUNE: Hello there, DemFatCatz!
 * 22:31:53: DemFatCatz: Hi?
 * 22:32:46: DemFatCatz: So I was wondering about the Bugs in a Jar easter egg and nobody's been looking at my forum on it so ive decided to ask here.
 * 22:33:10: DemFatCatz: Could it have something to do with the character Rune and/or his parents?
 * 22:35:01: DemFatCatz: please someone answer, I have to get off soon.
 * 22:37:55: DemFatCatz: (parrotl)
 * 22:38:01: DemFatCatz: (parrot)
 * 22:38:59: DemFatCatz: Ok, see yall maybe tomorrow. If anyone wants to reply to me, feel free to visit the forum I put up.
 * 22:39:20: DemFatCatz: Sorry if that sounds like advertising, that wasn't intended.
 * 22:42:03: KINMUNE: Hello there, Alexei Smirnov!
 * 23:00:27: Jr seriel: That seemed like advertising
 * 23:30:00: Nekyn Alb: True
 * 23:38:02: Nekyn Alb: Internet problems?
 * 23:51:24: Jr seriel: What?
 * 23:54:14: Nekyn Alb: You leave and enter all the time