Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-97.81.240.58-20130603234626/@comment-11444045-20140402153807

Coppermantis wrote:

Finally, you mention that "they did it like true warriors without giving in." Well, spoken like a true nord, I guess. Too bad the whole notion of pride and honor in battle is foolish and impractical, especially when your enemy does not have it. It's true that a warrior who died fighting the Dominion might be angry to know that they did not win, but what of the boy whose father was killed because the leader refused to sue for peace? Or the civilian family who was slaughtered by the invading forces? There's more to war than just fighting to the last. If my family died against the thalmor and i was left alive and saw the treaty being signed at the stage the war was currently in, i'd be beyond pissed. I'd be more upset against Titus than Thalmor killing my family because what he did was spit on their graves and nothing the imperials that had died meant anything. The thing warriors fear the most in combat is dying for nothing. At least in death they can have peace knowing they died for a cause, for something such as victory against the invasion of the thalmor or at the very least they'd be content with some other negotiations than the one titus signed which was the same that was offered prior to the war. It's a complete surrender and made everything utterly pointless. You could even say the blood of the imperial warriors was more on titus hands based off the treaty signing and he should be judge as a murderer.

Coppermantis wrote:

It is true that he might have accepted the treaty when it was first proposed, and this is the only time I might consider him foolish. He believed that he could fight the Dominion and succeed without having to impose the terms of the treaty on the Empire, which would disrupt everybody and cause much strife (Like we see as, once it is implemented, Hammerfell and Skyrim both attempt to or actually do secede.) He did not want to make the people of the Empire suffer, so he tried to fight, but, when he realized that he could not, wisely backed down. As i mentioned previous as did Dovahsebrom then make an offer that benefits you, the person signing the damn treaty.

This is why I feel titus was a complete moron and one of the worst leaders of the imperials. This entire war would be akin to the imperials, Martin and HoK giving up and allowing Mehrunes Dagon to completely destroy the world despite the jaws of victory in their hands. Why bother closing the gates, closing the huge gate at bruma and stopping Mankar Cameron paradise and after all that just giving up? Why not do that from the very moment of Uriel's death? This is what this war really is like to me in TES terms. Utterly waste of time, money and blood shedding of warriors with pride and noble. As they say "FOR THE LEGION!!!" lol yea right, titus is a joke and I can understand now why someone wanted him dead in TES:V, possibly fix the mistake he caused