Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-13417807-20130726204600/@comment-10207438-20140213042619

81.80.208.198 wrote: He's a guy who walked into the Blue Palace to challenge and murder the High King with dragon shouting (talk about a fair duel) in front of everyone. Challenge yes, Torryg knew Ulfric had the power of the Thu'um and he still accepted, to call it a murder is bigoted ignorance.

81.80.208.198 wrote: Then he started raising an army to carry out massacres against Imperial civilians everywhere His army was created twenty five years prior to the start of the game, the reason? so he could do what the Empire refused and retake the land stolen by the reachmen, these reachmen committed massacres and removed their territory from Skyrim, which would also remove them from The Empire.

81.80.208.198 wrote: in the name of "Talos" It was the Imperial Jarl of The Reach that gave Ulfric and his men Free Worship of Talos, they then arrested them for accepting it and called his liberation of The Reach a massacre, even though most atrocities were committed around ten years before the game started, which was well past the time that control of The Reach was given back to the Markarth and Imperial governments.

When you're arrested for having permission to follow your beliefs, and then others who also follow your beliefs are kidnapped, tortured, and killed, you're not fighting for your beliefs, you're fighting to rid yourselves of the monsters who call themselves a government that wants to protect you and people like you.

81.80.208.198 wrote: when all he really cares about is power. The reason he wants power is so he can remove the empire from power, the reason he wants to remove the empire from power is because they force the people of Skyrim to allow the Thalmor into their country, the Thalmor are also given free reign to kidnap, torture, and kill anyone who they suspect to be a worshiper of Talos (you know, the god who the were given permission to worship until the Thalmor found out about it)

The AD had the war lost, all the Empire needed do was send reinforcements to Hammerfell and they would have killed off the last soldiers the AD had available, they could have taken a slow and easy approach from that point to choke the AD. Instead what did the Empire do? they quit, not only quit, but even forced the AD to become the winners. they gave them permission to kill anyone they wanted to, they gave away half a country, and they even let them take forts to install troops.

This is not a government you want to trust your people to, this is why Ulfric wants power, to free his people from the empire who is letting the thalmor poison them.

81.80.208.198 wrote: Not to mention his total lack of consideration towards Skyrim immigrants such the Argonians slaving away on the docks of Windhelm. The Argonians work for Torbjorn, not Ulfric, they are admitted Thieves and Drug addicts, they are poor and have no home, so they live in the assemblage provided to them by their employer.

Ulfric has no ties to this, they are mistreated by their employer, just because he's a nord who sympathizes with the Stormcloaks does not mean that Ulfric has ties to the way he treats his employees.

81.80.208.198 wrote: He's clearly a sociopath who will stop at nothing to get what he wants, and should be stopped by all means necessary. What he wants is for the empire to do its job and protect its people instead of letting the enemy kill them in their sleep. stopping him is not going to solve a thing, when the real goal is to stop his real enemies, whom the empire knows is trying to kill the empire, yet does nothing to stop them, even giving them permission to kill people who they consider a threat.