Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-76.241.66.92-20130728035433/@comment-25047024-20131230143453

Dovahsebrom wrote: AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote: 218.186.252.200 wrote: But CHIM was discribed to make one a god already by some, so when the connection of the heart was severed, wouldn't Vivec still keep a huge chunk of power?

I can see both Almalexia and Sotha Sil as mortals who gained godlike power from tapping into the heart, but wouldn't Vivec already be a god even without that? He had CHIM. Unless, of course, CHIM is just an excuse for alteration magic so powerful that it can push the world so hard that the world cannot push back in any way (like how you stretch a spring so much that it changes shape rather than spring back)

Also, wouldn't Tiber Septim himself practically become a god as well without performing an Emantiomorph with Zurin Arctus and Wulfharth?

I think Vehk's power came to 95% from CHIM and to 5% from Lorkhans Heart. A CHIMster is much more powerful than a normal god, including Lorkhan, could ever be.

It also seems that gods 'always' exist. Let's take Mannimarco as an example. He became a god when the Warp in the West happenend, and yet we can see his mortal version in Oblivion. The god Mannimarco existed since the beginning of the Kalpa but the mortal Mannimarco had to make him possible through achieving godhood. The same with Vehk. The god Vivec always existed in every Kalpa, but the mortal Vehk had to make him possible through achieving godhood and CHIM. That's my theory. CHIM really is powerful, since it's 'lucid dreaming' in the Godheads dream. This is reflected through in which the jungles of Cyrodiil don't exist despite taking place before Talos deleted them from existence. Implying that Talos' use of CHIM has become a universal law outside of time. If it is true that Talos has always existed then Lorkhan is the copy "The former: walk like them until they must walk like you." I personally take everything those 'writers' from TESO create with a big grain of salt. Didn't they say it was a 'transcription mistake' or something like that? It would make sense that Talos permanently 'deleted' Cyrodiil's jungle from the past, present and future. Or in other words: The Godhead won't ever dream about a jungle in Cyrodiil anymore.

By the way, Vehk says in his dialogue in Morrowind that being a god is like sleeping while also being awake. So, what if every god 'sleeps' until their mortal version makes them 'awake' by achieving godhood and making them possible? Yah, but unfortunately TESO has been deemed canon so I'm just trying to make as much sense from it as I can.

I feel like your theory of gods waking up would only apply to gods like Talos and Vivec. Yeah, my theory only takes in 'living' gods like the Tribunal or mortals who became gods, like Mannimarco or Tiber, Zurin and Wulfharth.