Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27157999-20160710144119/@comment-26893431-20180120123418

LordOswin wrote: Power hungry racist?

Are you kidding me?

Ok, lemme break it down for you. The dark elves in windhelm are refugees, that housing they were given might not be the best in the city, but it was given, freely to an old enemy. The city opened it's gates to the very people who betrayed the ebonheart pact. But because the dunmeri culture values those born in morrowind most highly, this wasn't good enough. They were used to looking down on other races back in Morrowind, but suddenly having to earn their way to respect? Blasphemy! How dare Ulfric not give up his own palace to the mighty dunmer!

It's a lie. He gave them free housing, jobs, a place to stay when their homeland burned. And they are ungrateful as fuck about it. Look at Nirayne, a high elf living in the city, respected. Look at the bard in candlehearth hall, she's a dark elf yet no one yells slurs at her, and she is allowed outside the "slum". Hostilities between men and elves go way back, so you can expect some men would not be happy about refugees demanding the best a city has to offer. Some might be racist, but Ulfric has never said anything himself to prove that he is.

Second, the Argonians. Remember that thing I said about the Ebonheart pact? The alliance was between Dunmer, Argonians and Nords, three old enemies uniting under a better cause. But the Dunmer refused to stop taking slaves, and so the Argonians took their revenge by carving a bloody genocide up the bottom of morrowind, sacking mournhold and reclaiming their land. Do you honestly think it would be a good idea to allow large groups of people who hate eachother to intermingle? The argonians offered to do the work that the Dunmer refused, so they were given board on one condition, do not enter the city. Because the path to the docks is right fucking next to the grey quarter.

Third, no matter what race you are when you try to join the stormcloaks, Ulfric does not comment, it is Galmar that makes the remark that your intentions are not clear. Ulfric might seem like a bragging asshole at first, but take a moment to realise he gives his best, most passionate speech... to an empty court. No one can hear him but his steward and Galmar, which you happen to walk in on. Ulfric never came into this war to seek kingship, but Galmar seems to be the real mastermind behind "skyrim for the nords" and "you will be that king, you must be". He's not a king himself, but he knows he needs someone who will listen to him on the throne. The real war is not between Uflric and Tullius, but between Galmar and Tullius. General versus general, with the figurehead of a caring Jarl as their flag to battle. Ulfric is a power hungry racist, there is no point denying that if you read the man's history.

The Dunmer in Windhelm were refugees, not anymore. Morrowind's able to be settled again, they are citizens of Skyrim now. Also, there's absolutely nothing stating the homes were given freely to the Dunmer, and even if it were, they weren't complaining until Ulfric became Jarl. The Dunmer didn't betray the Ebonheart Pact either. You're also confusing racism with xenophobia, very different. The Dunmer are mistreated in Windhelm because of their race, every non-Morrowind person is mistreated in Morrowind because of being an outlander.

Ulfric did not give them free houses at all. They have been in Windhelm over 100 years before Ulfric was even born. The Dunmer picked their own jobs, and the place to stay was also given to them in 4E 5, long before Ulfric. They are not ungrateful about any of that though, they are ungrateful for Ulfric treating them like dirt despite the fact that they work just as hard as anybody else. Niranye isn't a Dunmer, and the bard does not live on her own. Ulfric's deeds prove that he is racist. The Dunmer have been in Skyrim since 4E 5, only in 4E 176, when Ulfric became Jarl, did they become unhappy in Windhelm. They don't want the best, just basic living and equal treatment.

Second, this is false. The Dunmer had banned slavery 5 years before the invasion of Morrowind took place. Even more noticeable is that the Dres and Hlaalu, who are both confirmed to have released their slaves, were invaded, and not the Redoran, Indoril, or Telvanni. As for the hostility that would result; none. Look at Riften, they live fine side by side there. They share the same bunkhouse, even. No hostilities there, there wouldn't be any in Windhelm either. Also, the rest of what you say is also false. Ulfric's decree is what blocked them from entry into the city, never before.

Third, that's game mechanics. But what is noticeable is that Galmar assumes you're a sellsword if you're not a Nord. Speeches prove nothing, Ulfric's a hypocrit in basically everything he says. "For us few who did come home", sure Ulfric, after you fled back to Skyrim before the war was finished.... Ulfric is seeking kingship, it's obvious by the fact that he killed Torygg instead of asking for independence. It's proven by the fact that he himself states he wants everyone to support his claim as High King, and how he refuses to let the Moot meet until everyone is under his thumb. Hell, the guy even made it part his very oath; "I do swear my blood and honor to the service of Ulfric Stormcloak Jarl of Windhelm and true High King of Skyrim. As Talos is my witness, may this oath bind me to death and beyond even to my lord as to my fellow brothers and sisters in arms. All hail the Stormcloaks, the true sons and daughters of Skyrim!"