Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-1600847-20161103125247/@comment-30317136-20161120122654

Sports72Xtrm wrote: Re:"one must never rely on numbers to win a war" proverb He doesn't rely solely on numbers but concentration of force is part of warfare. It's tullius who conscripts every hold guard in Solitude and needs continuous replacement soldiers because the Stormcloaks are finding victory across the land. YinyangElementofduality probably never read art of war and if he did probably did not comprehend it because ulfric is utilizing that proverb right. Tullius is said to underestimate his foes get his men killed and continue to conscript from Solitude until they have a soldier deficiency. That is not adhering to that proverb. Eh, the whole conversation proves you wrong. Ulfric was receiving a report from Galmar stating that his men were getting massacred and Ulfric responded why he isn't worried because he is gaining allies and friends from the losses. By gaining sympathy and friendship, his army size increases and he believes that with the numbers his army will "systematically" take care of the "rest (their problems)"

Your insult means nothing because I do not need to prove to you that I have studied War strategies extensively in the military during Service. I am most likely possess a level of understanding way higher than you do as it was part of my job at one point in my life.

Regardless of what Ulfric wants to do, he was waiting to obtain larger numbers to beat the Empire while Tullius is not the best strategist for ignoring the wishes of the people completely, he has at least produced a superior result of capturing Ulfric once and would have killed Ulfric while Ulfric cannot escape from Tullius with his own power. Therefore Tullius wins, Ulfric lose. Is a solid fact that is an indisputable fact as it was shown clearly at the start of the game and endorsed by both sides. Hadvar and Ralof had different way of saying, different interpretation, one thinks Ulfric is a coward other thinks that Ulfric didn't want them to die for nothing -> Which is a dumb thing because they were probably going to die for nothing on a chopping block. Their opinions doesn't matter, what matters is Ulfric walked into an ambushed setup by Tullius who predicted his movements correctly and captured the leader of the Stormcloaks.

Tullius wins, Ulfric lose. Simple as that. As both had suffered losses on different fronts and were drafting from reserved manpower in Skyrim... they were almost equal on both fronts.

A breakdown.

Tullius suffered heavy losses according to Ulfric in trying to capture Winterhold. Battlefield losses (-1)

Ulfric suffered losses in the Galmar talk of their men being massacred at unknown place(s). Battlefield losses (-1)

Tullius is drafting Hold Guards from Solitude to gain numbers. Resource drain (-1)

Ulfric is depending on acquiring numbers from volunteers to solve his problems for him. Resource drain (-1)

Ignoring personal opinions as personal opinions are influenced by the individual's preference. One can see subjectively they are equally inadept at this point.

The difference is without the player's interference, Tullius had one upped over Ulfric. No matter what excuses one can come up for their favorite character/faction, it is a fact: Tullius had the win because Ulfric cannot escape from Tullius with his own power.

Since you are obviously a biased Ulfric fanboy I am going to start trolling (in fact I have started trolling) "Ulfric was practicaly a gagged BDSM slave bitch to Tullius being tied up and ready to be butchered like a pig in Helgen"