User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20171031

"Only by the grace of the Dwemer did your culture survive, and only by the fifteen-and-one tones did your new lives begin." 16 is the number of the daedric princes, also tones - tonal architecture "We only request you partake of the symbol of our bond, the fruit of the stones around us. [lit. “we only ask you to accept”] (literally “the fruit of our stones”)" fruit = fungi they made "Know only our mercy and the radiance of our affection, which unbinds your bones to the earth before, and sets your final path to the music of your new eternity." earthbones, music, divinity, many things here
 * 00:00:06: The Crusader of Truth: Yeah
 * 00:00:13: The Crusader of Truth: I have my head in the clouds sorry
 * 00:00:43: Jr seriel: Well the akavir are debated if they are bipedal and they are considered relatively civilized
 * 00:01:35: Jr seriel: Tsaesci sorry
 * 00:03:08: The Crusader of Truth: There's nothing really civil about Dreugh though
 * 00:03:18: Jr seriel: true
 * 00:03:55: The Crusader of Truth: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Notes_on_the_Dreugh goes as far as saying they have no communication skills
 * 00:04:35: The Crusader of Truth: Anything intended to be a civilization eventually would have to communicate
 * 00:04:39: Jr seriel: I would say you are right then.
 * 00:04:44: Jr seriel: yes they would
 * 00:04:56: Jr seriel: Do falmer communicate? we never hear them talk
 * 00:05:08: The Crusader of Truth: I think they communicate by grunts
 * 00:05:12: The Crusader of Truth: /think/
 * 00:05:29: The Crusader of Truth: They do have a language what am I saying
 * 00:06:16: Jr seriel: They did have a formal language before their series of unfortunate events took place. Maybe the grunts count
 * 00:06:23: The Crusader of Truth: Falmer would be a nice basis for Golem by the way for your mod, but I'm sure you stuck that idea a long time ago
 * 00:07:43: Jr seriel: I think this comes down to soul gems actually now that I think about it.
 * 00:08:01: Jr seriel: And yeah I am not putting golem in my mod lol He is by far like my least favorite character
 * 00:08:37: The Crusader of Truth: This comes down to soul gems how?
 * 00:09:01: Jr seriel: I am still working on that mod. I started a bunch of others though. A shenhai mod, a house indoril mod, prince of persia two thrones mod and a new kind of elite vampire mod
 * 00:09:23: Jr seriel: Well black soul gems are filled by 'sentient beings' and white soul gems are filled by creatures
 * 00:09:35: Jr seriel: So that would mean that both the Dreugh and Falmer are creatures
 * 00:11:26: The Crusader of Truth: You're right
 * 00:13:36: The Crusader of Truth: And sorry if I'm taking so long sometimes, I'm stockpiling Daggerfall weapons at the moment
 * 00:13:52: Jr seriel: Haha no worries
 * 00:23:28: The Crusader of Truth: This lack of daggers I'm seeing in Daggerfall is making me edgy
 * 00:24:36: Jr seriel: Maybe its the fall of the daggers
 * 00:26:13: The Crusader of Truth: Maybe
 * 00:26:38: The Crusader of Truth: But there is also not a single morningstar and I've searched 8 stores and over 75 weapons
 * 00:27:15: Nekyn Alb: Morningstarfall just didn't sound as good
 * 00:27:24: Jr seriel: haha yes
 * 00:27:51: The Crusader of Truth: u rit
 * 00:27:52: The Crusader of Truth: e
 * 00:28:56: The Crusader of Truth: Well shit UESP has the content on it and we have nothing but thanks to our SEO we still come up first on google lmao
 * 00:29:52: Jr seriel: sounds like it is time to webscrape uesp
 * 00:29:54: Qahnaarin1997: SEO?
 * 00:30:03: Jr seriel: Search engine optimization
 * 00:30:07: The Crusader of Truth: Search engine o-
 * 00:30:08: The Crusader of Truth: o
 * 00:30:18: Qahnaarin1997: Dope
 * 00:30:34: Nekyn Alb: It's probably also influenced by your search history if you don't use DuckDuckGo or something
 * 00:30:45: The Crusader of Truth: fite me
 * 00:31:09: Jr seriel: It always pissed me off that SEO is a dedicated job position now at alot of companies
 * 00:31:28: Nekyn Alb: CEO?
 * 00:32:15: Jr seriel: No some business intelligence oriented and marketing companies hire dedicated people to work on SEO for client sites
 * 00:32:55: Jr seriel: Seems like a complete waste of money when smart web devs can use automation to do it SEO for them
 * 00:33:50: The Crusader of Truth: I wonder if google has an SEO (kappa)
 * 00:34:04: Nekyn Alb: Google is just a hivemind
 * 00:34:06: Jr seriel: hahaha
 * 00:35:27: Jr seriel: considering that google is the most populated website on the planet, it doens't need SEO. Bing and yahoo, or askjeeves know to find it already
 * 00:39:08: The Crusader of Truth: lmao when I was 6 I was convinced to hell and back bing was a good search engine
 * 00:42:22: Jr seriel: Bing wasn't even invented until I think I was finishing highschool
 * 00:42:45: Nekyn Alb: Crus is 6
 * 00:43:13: The Crusader of Truth: I'm 8 thank you
 * 00:43:27: The Crusader of Truth: Assuming my gender like that smh
 * 00:56:48: The Crusader of Truth: will probably be back later idk o/
 * 00:57:25: Jr seriel: Till next time
 * 00:57:32: Nekyn Alb: o/
 * 00:59:29: Jr seriel: What is your avatar?
 * 01:01:39: Nekyn Alb: Usually a golden (yellow) slug, atm it's halloween themed
 * 01:03:00: Jr seriel: The broncos are terrible. Especially now that whats his face is hurt
 * 01:14:00: Jr seriel: If wulfharth existed in the world of skyrim what would he look like?
 * 01:14:22: Jr seriel: A draugr? a Keeper? Some kind of ash smokey thing?
 * 01:14:50: Nekyn Alb: Some beardy and tall af Nord
 * 01:15:00: Jr seriel: But he is a lich?
 * 01:15:37: Nekyn Alb: The Underking is a skeleton with some skin and hair, yeah
 * 01:15:54: Jr seriel: So a draugr?
 * 01:15:58: Nekyn Alb: Typically Wulfharth would be the personification of Nord Tongues
 * 01:16:08: Jr seriel: What does that mean
 * 01:16:09: Nekyn Alb: Probably
 * 01:16:53: Nekyn Alb: tongues were the shouting nords before the greybeards were the only ones left. The ones fighting against Alduin were tongues
 * 01:17:09: Jr seriel: got it, So since he is atmorian he is basically a giant
 * 01:17:35: Nekyn Alb: Dunno if he's atmoran, but they don't need to be all that tall
 * 01:18:02: Jr seriel: wait what? I thought he was tall
 * 01:18:43: Nekyn Alb: He might be as tall as Ysgramor, who was slightly above average in Skyrim
 * 01:19:03: Nekyn Alb: Nord are all taller than the usual man
 * 01:19:30: Jr seriel: I always thought that atmorians would be skyrim giant sized
 * 01:19:45: Jr seriel: since skyrim giants are supposed to be also descendants from them
 * 01:20:06: Nekyn Alb: Nay
 * 01:20:30: Nekyn Alb: Atmoran man are just Wandering Ehlnofey, so man that went to Atmora
 * 01:20:36: Nekyn Alb: descendants
 * 01:20:46: Jr seriel: So were atmorians just like high elf sized then
 * 01:20:52: Jr seriel: or were they taller than that
 * 01:20:54: Nekyn Alb: and giants are related, apparently
 * 01:21:29: Nekyn Alb: as tall but more muscles I guess? That can make a lot of difference, since they are much more about physical labor
 * 01:21:58: Jr seriel: So what made the skyrim giants get taller than atmorians then?
 * 01:31:58: Jr seriel: I am guessing that ysmir was probably around tsun or the ebony warriors height
 * 01:32:29: Nekyn Alb: Giants are not simply Atmorans, they are just closely related
 * 01:33:25: Jr seriel: Yes as per the wiki. The atmorians split into two races, one grew taller and dumber, the other remained intelligent and got shorter
 * 01:35:28: Nekyn Alb: I don't think there's a proper source
 * 01:36:22: Jr seriel: This is where I got that from
 * 01:36:23: Jr seriel: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Giant
 * 01:36:33: Jr seriel: The belief is that in ancient times, the Atmorans split into two different races.[6] The reason for the split is unknown, but some accounts mention an internal conflict that resulted in one group being driven into hiding.[OOG 1]
 * 01:37:34: Jr seriel: Eventually, one race became smaller in size, but retained their intelligence and became the Nords. The other race grew larger, lost some of their intelligence and became the Giants.[6] This particular belief thrived in the First Era, at a time when Nordic farmers would offer cows as a sacrifice to Giants in order to avoid attacks on livestock, but both the tradition and the ancestral connection belief largely fell out of favor.[7]
 * 01:38:36: Nekyn Alb: Every living being is a descendant of the Ehlnofey, so yeah, they split, but not the Atmorans
 * 01:39:29: Jr seriel: It says the atmorians but idk
 * 01:40:04: Nekyn Alb: Unreliable narrator
 * 01:40:24: Nekyn Alb: somewhat wrong, but not back in time far enough
 * 01:40:40: Nekyn Alb: somewhat right I mean
 * 01:40:59: Jr seriel: It is from the book: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Giants:_A_Discourse
 * 01:41:00: Jr seriel: in ESO
 * 01:41:09: Nekyn Alb: I looked already
 * 01:41:22: Nekyn Alb: Are you not familiar with the unreliable narrator in TES?
 * 01:41:41: Jr seriel: I am not
 * 01:41:56: Nekyn Alb: Simply, don't trust anybody
 * 01:42:01: Jr seriel: haha okay
 * 01:42:20: Jr seriel: I am gonna use that to refute all of ShawnCog's statements from now on lol
 * 01:42:37: Nekyn Alb: Don't trust the Pocket Guide to the Empire, don't trust Vivec, don't trust any books
 * 01:42:51: Nekyn Alb: that kinda won't work xD
 * 01:43:04: Jr seriel: Have you tried lol?
 * 01:43:10: Nekyn Alb: you're better off with headcanon
 * 01:43:29: Jr seriel: What is that?
 * 01:43:58: Nekyn Alb: Personally selected canon
 * 01:44:11: Nekyn Alb: C0DA is MK's headcanon
 * 01:44:21: Jr seriel: yes. Got it
 * 01:44:55: Nekyn Alb: Saying that it was tonal architecture instead of poison that transformed the Falmer would be a more harmless example
 * 01:45:22: Nekyn Alb: The Ebony Warrior being Reymon Ebonarm
 * 01:45:28: Jr seriel: But it says it right in the game that darn snow elf NPC straight up says that it was poinson
 * 01:45:43: Jr seriel: I thought the Ebony warrior was the PC from LEgends
 * 01:45:46: Nekyn Alb: So? What does he know?
 * 01:45:53: Jr seriel: Unreliable narrator?
 * 01:45:59: Nekyn Alb: Exactly
 * 01:46:04: Jr seriel: Hahaha
 * 01:46:10: Nekyn Alb: Gelebor is speculating
 * 01:46:18: Jr seriel: He was there lol
 * 01:46:26: Nekyn Alb: We have another source that supports the tonal architecture theory
 * 01:46:41: Nekyn Alb: He doesn't look like a mutated Falmer to me
 * 01:46:52: Jr seriel: He said he didn't eat the fungi
 * 01:46:54: Jr seriel: or soething
 * 01:46:58: Jr seriel: *something
 * 01:47:01: Nekyn Alb: The fungi blinded them
 * 01:47:07: Jr seriel: yes
 * 01:47:10: Nekyn Alb: Then they were mutated
 * 01:47:14: Nekyn Alb: gimme a sec
 * 01:47:19: Jr seriel: Oh yeah different
 * 01:47:30: Jr seriel: The mutation was from living underground and secluded for so long
 * 01:49:26: Nekyn Alb: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/519x9v/the_official_translation_of_calcelmos_stone/
 * 01:50:34: Jr seriel: Perhaps, for some reason I trust eye witness account rather than a translation written somewhere but that is me personally
 * 01:50:56: Nekyn Alb: That is literally written by the Dwemer
 * 01:52:05: Jr seriel: Don't trust those crafty dwemer
 * 01:52:38: Nekyn Alb: I trust them more than a warriorpriest
 * 01:53:14: Jr seriel: But he was such a nice guy. That dwemer that is dying is morrowind is kind of dirtbag
 * 01:54:04: Nekyn Alb: Dwemer are sociopaths
 * 01:54:14: Jr seriel: Agreed
 * 01:55:52: Jr seriel: Alright so I am gonna say that atmorians were pretty freaking tall. Ebony warrior tall. And that ysmir would make likely look like a draugr with the ebony mail effect going on
 * 01:56:56: Nekyn Alb: Maybe as tall as Tsun
 * 01:56:57: KINMUNE: Hello there, Alexei Smirnov!
 * 01:56:59: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 01:57:01: Jr seriel: Halloween is like the worst holiday. Cause I buy candy to give to trick or treaters but then I just end up eating a good amount of it
 * 01:57:02: Nekyn Alb: Hello
 * 01:57:07: Jr seriel: Hello
 * 01:57:27: Alexei Smirnov: Hello
 * 01:58:03: Jr seriel: Alexei weigh in on something for me?
 * 01:58:17: Alexei Smirnov: Sure
 * 01:58:37: Jr seriel: How tall was ysmir? like ebony warrior tall, or Tsun tall?
 * 01:58:59: Jr seriel: Or was he skyrim giant tall?
 * 02:00:15: RenzXVI: Wow, Nekyn is no longer a banana, he's now a sausage with mustard.
 * 02:00:34: Jr seriel: He said it was Halloween themed
 * 02:01:02: Alexei Smirnov: I'd say somewhere taller or as tall as tsun
 * 02:01:08: RenzXVI: I am more halloween themed, it works for Christmas too.
 * 02:01:25: Nekyn Alb: xD
 * 02:01:35: Jr seriel: Thank you for the input Alexei
 * 02:01:37: Alexei Smirnov: I'm Russian
 * 02:01:46: Alexei Smirnov: Nuff said
 * 02:02:16: Jr seriel: ahh Zdravstvuyte
 * 02:02:40: Alexei Smirnov: Da
 * 02:03:24: Jr seriel: I barely remember russian, I took a couple semesters of it in college, it was not very fun in my opinion
 * 02:03:43: Nekyn Alb: way to go, racist
 * 02:04:01: Jr seriel: It was hard!
 * 02:04:54: Alexei Smirnov: Hmm
 * 02:05:08: Alexei Smirnov: I was born with it along with polish
 * 02:05:31: Jr seriel: Oh very nice! my father is from Poland actually
 * 02:05:35: Alexei Smirnov: English though, took me 1 year or to to get this good
 * 02:05:50: Jr seriel: Well then you are much better at language than me
 * 02:06:18: Jr seriel: Are you familiar with the Clan of Ostoja?
 * 02:06:35: Alexei Smirnov: My mother is polish, my father was Russian
 * 02:06:52: Alexei Smirnov: So I was taught both as soon as I could speak
 * 02:07:11: Alexei Smirnov: No
 * 02:07:11: Jr seriel: My father moved when he was real young so he is basically american
 * 02:07:58: Jr seriel: The clan of ostoja is lithuanian-polish clan from the 1400s. my family is heavily involved so we travel to poland every couple of years to attend the anual meetings and to visit family
 * 02:08:14: Jr seriel: I havent been though for the last 4 years or so now
 * 02:08:31: Alexei Smirnov: I visit Poland every year to see family and to celebrate my birthday
 * 02:08:39: Alexei Smirnov: Travel is very cheap
 * 02:08:47: Jr seriel: Not from America to Poland
 * 02:09:03: Alexei Smirnov: Moscow to Warsaw
 * 02:09:13: Jr seriel: Aye? yeah train is cheap
 * 02:10:26: Alexei Smirnov: Every metro is like a museum, each stop different from the next and last
 * 02:10:59: Jr seriel: I have never made the trip from warsaw to moscow so wouldn't know but I will take your word for it
 * 02:11:23: Alexei Smirnov: The architecture and brass statues
 * 02:12:22: Jr seriel: Well you probably go through minsk which has nice fancy stuff
 * 02:13:20: Alexei Smirnov: Anyway, travel is very cheap in eastern Europe.
 * 02:13:37: Alexei Smirnov: I'm thinking of taking trip to America some time.
 * 02:13:48: Alexei Smirnov: No time soon though
 * 02:13:48: Jr seriel: Aye? Where are you thinking of going?
 * 02:14:05: Alexei Smirnov: I don't know to be honest
 * 02:14:23: Jr seriel: Well it sounds like you have enough time to figure it out
 * 02:15:12: Alexei Smirnov: Yes plenty of time, the only problem though is time zones. Is about 8 he difference from Moscow to America
 * 02:15:21: Alexei Smirnov: That would mess me up
 * 02:15:34: Alexei Smirnov: Hour*
 * 02:15:54: Jr seriel: haha just give yourself an extra day to recuperate from the time difference
 * 02:20:17: Alexei Smirnov: Perhaps
 * 02:35:14: Jr seriel: If dragonborns are related to akatosh and shor. How did mankar Cameron use mehrunes to change him into one
 * 02:35:57: Nekyn Alb: He changed his whole being in the structure of the universe
 * 02:37:02: Jr seriel: How though
 * 02:37:37: Jr seriel: That sounds like he would need CHIM to do that or mantle someone but he doesn't
 * 02:38:31: Nekyn Alb: Mehrunes' Razor is able to cut your nymic into the desired shape, it's painful and needs knowledge
 * 02:40:10: Jr seriel: So could he cut himself into the numidium?
 * 02:40:16: Nekyn Alb: No
 * 02:40:21: Jr seriel: Why not?
 * 02:40:33: Nekyn Alb: At least I don't think so
 * 02:40:46: Nekyn Alb: The Numidium is a robot and amalgation of dwemeri souls
 * 02:40:53: Jr seriel: How about cut himself to the shape of VIvec and acheive CHIM
 * 02:41:13: Jr seriel: Or Talos
 * 02:41:21: Nekyn Alb: I doubt it
 * 02:42:10: Nekyn Alb: You'd probably have to know their nymics, which he doesn't
 * 02:42:22: Jr seriel: But he knew the dragonborns?
 * 02:42:37: Nekyn Alb: He figured out how to become Altmer and dragonborn because they aren't existing entities
 * 02:42:53: Jr seriel: Also how could any deadric artifact be capable of that
 * 02:43:08: Jr seriel: Altmer exist
 * 02:43:12: Jr seriel: and so do dragonborns
 * 02:43:21: Jr seriel: do you mean like there are no altmer dragonborns?
 * 02:43:54: Nekyn Alb: The razor was forged by the Magna Ge in the bowels of Lyg
 * 02:44:09: Nekyn Alb: oh nono
 * 02:44:12: Jr seriel: ohh interesting. Didn't no that
 * 02:44:37: Jr seriel: So that would make it like the most crazy artifiact on nirn
 * 02:44:40: Nekyn Alb: he didn't become a preexisting personality
 * 02:44:49: Jr seriel: got it
 * 02:44:55: Nekyn Alb: he chose the race and the gift of dragonblood
 * 02:45:05: Jr seriel: Why couldnt he chose the gift of CHIM
 * 02:45:08: Nekyn Alb: It is pretty strong
 * 02:45:08: Jr seriel: or spellsword
 * 02:45:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Are you speaking of
 * 02:45:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Mankar
 * 02:45:16: Jr seriel: yes we are
 * 02:45:17: ShawnCognitionCP: He wasn't a high elf at birth
 * 02:45:21: Nekyn Alb: CHIM isn't like dragonblood
 * 02:45:21: Jr seriel: he was a bosmer
 * 02:45:29: ShawnCognitionCP: He used a limited CHIM-esque ability to alter himself, yes
 * 02:45:32: Nekyn Alb: yeah, he used the razor for that
 * 02:45:38: Nekyn Alb: I already said that
 * 02:45:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes
 * 02:45:42: ShawnCognitionCP: I joined post
 * 02:45:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Impossible for me to see
 * 02:45:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Durrr
 * 02:46:07: ShawnCognitionCP: You can't just wish for CHIM because if you don't meet every step properly you zero-sum
 * 02:46:12: Nekyn Alb: I didn't even noticed you joined lol, thought you were here the whole time
 * 02:46:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Forcing it will cause you to zero-sum
 * 02:46:30: ShawnCognitionCP: You must keep your sense of individuality while realizing all is the same.
 * 02:46:40: ShawnCognitionCP: No magic can ever overdo that.
 * 02:46:43: Nekyn Alb: "spellsword" what do you mean by that?
 * 02:46:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Sword singing, likely.
 * 02:46:49: Jr seriel: So where did that power of the razer go, why can't we do that in oblvion later on or in skyrim
 * 02:46:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Because neither of our characters know how.
 * 02:47:05: Nekyn Alb: We lack the knowledge so we just cut things
 * 02:47:06: ShawnCognitionCP: And it's impossible for them to know how.
 * 02:47:07: Jr seriel: yes sorry sword singing, but I know the answer already so
 * 02:47:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes himself told Mankar.
 * 02:47:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes obviously doesn't like the Hero of Kvatch.
 * 02:47:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Nor would he ever reveal his secrets to someone as minor to him as the Dragonborn.
 * 02:47:47: ShawnCognitionCP: You're a useless tool to Mehrunes.
 * 02:47:47: Jr seriel: obviously, the dunce closed his oblivion gates
 * 02:47:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence using you as a hitman.
 * 02:47:54: Nekyn Alb: Sword singing is knowledge, training, experience. I'm not sure if you could teach yourself that but why not?
 * 02:48:49: Jr seriel: It seems to me you could use the razer to make your self a sword singer but mankar didn't do that because he was trying to use the amulet of kings and that requires you to be dragonborn not a sword singer
 * 02:49:02: Nekyn Alb: teaching lol, cutting yourself in the shape I mean
 * 02:49:05: ShawnCognitionCP: He didn't make himself a dragonborn on purpose, iirc
 * 02:49:15: ShawnCognitionCP: He seems rather shocked that he can "speak fire"
 * 02:49:30: ShawnCognitionCP: He likely just wished to be able to wear the amulet or take power and it was done in that manner.
 * 02:49:52: Jr seriel: It is kind of a bummer that he doesn't use the Thu'um on the HOK
 * 02:50:04: Jr seriel: Would have been a nice setup for skyrim
 * 02:50:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Being a dragonborn =/= knowledge of how to use it
 * 02:50:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Again, he doesn't even know the language he's speaking is Draconic when it happens.
 * 02:50:43: ShawnCognitionCP: He simply says he spoke in a different tongue and fire came from his lips when he awoke
 * 02:51:00: Nekyn Alb: might just be a metaphor for being a dragonborn
 * 02:51:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Implying it was not a conscious effort.
 * 02:51:09: Jr seriel: But he still did it, I would remember what words I spoke that made fire come out of me. And not in the rapping regard
 * 02:51:35: Nekyn Alb: The LDB doesn't even understand what he's saying
 * 02:51:52: Jr seriel: But he still remembers the words after merely seeing them for 5 seconds
 * 02:51:53: Nekyn Alb: Arngeir has to tell him what the shouts or the ritual mean
 * 02:52:10: Jr seriel: he/she
 * 02:52:12: Jr seriel: sorry
 * 02:52:13: ShawnCognitionCP: More of a gameplay mechanic, Seriel
 * 02:52:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Again, Dragonborn learn at an accelerated rate, but it's absolutely not instant.
 * 02:52:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Hjalti had to train with Wulfharth for a while
 * 02:52:33: ShawnCognitionCP: A good while
 * 02:52:45: ShawnCognitionCP: It'd be a boring game if you had to practice shouts for months before using them correctly.
 * 02:52:47: Jr seriel: I like to think the LDB is special
 * 02:52:51: ShawnCognitionCP: So, in-game, it's instant.
 * 02:52:53: Nekyn Alb: He mostly actively remembers the shout and passively absorbs the training from dragon souls
 * 02:52:53: ShawnCognitionCP: He's not.
 * 02:52:55: Jr seriel: the grind is real
 * 02:53:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Hjalti and Ysmir were both stronger Dragonborn than TLD.
 * 02:53:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Miraak as well.
 * 02:53:36: Jr seriel: we wreck Miraak?
 * 02:53:41: ShawnCognitionCP: You don't.
 * 02:53:45: ShawnCognitionCP: H.Mora kills him by surprise.
 * 02:53:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Stabs him in the back when he's focused on you.
 * 02:54:01: Jr seriel: But we were wrecking him before he did. Mora stole my kill
 * 02:54:04: ShawnCognitionCP: He gets killed by a tentacle through the chest.
 * 02:54:19: Jr seriel: I saw his health bar going down and then mora steals the kill
 * 02:54:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Notice he constantly kept healing himself by killing dragons he brought forward to the field by controlling them.
 * 02:54:29: ShawnCognitionCP: He'd essentially have infinite refills of life.
 * 02:54:30: Jr seriel: But he was out of dragons
 * 02:54:40: Nekyn Alb: The dragons were around all the fight
 * 02:54:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Lore vs in-game
 * 02:54:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes
 * 02:54:49: Nekyn Alb: He didn't just summon them
 * 02:54:51: ShawnCognitionCP: And he mentally dominated them all
 * 02:54:57: ShawnCognitionCP: "Brought forward" =/= summon
 * 02:55:04: ShawnCognitionCP: He made them land so that he could kill them
 * 02:55:06: Jr seriel: !=*
 * 02:55:36: Nekyn Alb: irrelevant, we could see them and the ones he kills are the only ones he had in the fight
 * 02:55:49: ShawnCognitionCP: It'd be bullshit if Bethesda included more.
 * 02:56:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Theoretically he'd have control over the proper amount.
 * 02:56:09: ShawnCognitionCP: It's so he can only heal thrice before the fight ends.
 * 02:56:24: ShawnCognitionCP: And then LDB gets trapped in the same exact situation Miraak was.
 * 02:56:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Slave to H.Mora trapped in Apocrypha for eternity.
 * 02:56:37: Jr seriel: I was having this conversation with ashley last night
 * 02:57:02: Jr seriel: I think you leaving apocrypha afterwards is like a virtual reality and not real
 * 02:57:30: ShawnCognitionCP: It's just for gameplay
 * 02:57:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Lore wise he never leaves again.
 * 02:57:42: Jr seriel: Mora made the mistake by giving miraak his conscious independence and he doesnt make that same mistake with TLD
 * 02:57:45: ShawnCognitionCP: It'd be horrible if Bethesda stopped you from playing after the expansion, though.
 * 02:57:55: Jr seriel: Mass Effect did it
 * 02:58:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Mass Effect always did in all three games.
 * 02:58:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Skyrim didn't.
 * 02:58:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Skyrim lets you play after you beat it
 * 02:58:16: Jr seriel: They could have if they wanted
 * 02:58:17: ShawnCognitionCP: If an expansion then changed that, it'd suck
 * 02:58:22: Jr seriel: it would def suck
 * 02:58:26: ShawnCognitionCP: They learned their lesson with Fallout 3
 * 02:58:35: Jr seriel: True
 * 02:58:38: ShawnCognitionCP: There was so much outrage over not being able to play post-game that they changed it.
 * 02:59:04: Jr seriel: So shawn, How tall was ysmir?
 * 02:59:20: ShawnCognitionCP: I don't believe that's ever stated.
 * 02:59:29: ShawnCognitionCP: We know he was tall but that's it.
 * 02:59:33: Nekyn Alb: I'd say as tall as Ysgramor or even Tsun
 * 02:59:33: Jr seriel: Well it does talk about how tall atmorians were
 * 02:59:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Nords are generally taller than Imperials.
 * 02:59:37: Nekyn Alb: original Ysmir
 * 02:59:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Ysmir is not an Atmorian.
 * 02:59:47: Nekyn Alb: *atmorans
 * 02:59:48: Jr seriel: I am thinking Tsun or Ebony warrior
 * 02:59:49: ShawnCognitionCP: He's a Nord.
 * 02:59:59: Nekyn Alb: Nord are basically Atmorans
 * 03:00:15: ShawnCognitionCP: But with diluted genes, including height.
 * 03:00:17: Nekyn Alb: and the original Ysmir might've been one
 * 03:00:22: ShawnCognitionCP: From what we see in his statues, he seems tall as fuck.
 * 03:00:30: Jr seriel: But he was born in Atmora
 * 03:00:32: Nekyn Alb: There are Wulfharth statues?
 * 03:00:34: ShawnCognitionCP: It's directly stated he's a Nord.
 * 03:00:45: ShawnCognitionCP: All Talos statues in Skyrim are actually Wulfharth/Ysmir Kingmaker
 * 03:01:00: ShawnCognitionCP: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/c/c8/Etc-figure-es-shrineoftalos-front.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160720202611
 * 03:01:03: ShawnCognitionCP: This is Wulfharth.
 * 03:01:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Remember
 * 03:01:10: Nekyn Alb: those are obviously not a good clue for his size
 * 03:01:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Hjalti stole Wulfharth's identity
 * 03:01:18: Nekyn Alb: yeah, I know
 * 03:01:20: ShawnCognitionCP: People believe everything Wulfharth did was actually Hjalti.
 * 03:01:29: Nekyn Alb: I thought something more specific
 * 03:01:45: Nekyn Alb: This statue exists in varying sizes as well
 * 03:01:46: Jr seriel: So he was a nord born in Atmora?
 * 03:02:07: ShawnCognitionCP: He was generally a physiologically built man
 * 03:02:08: ShawnCognitionCP: Buff af
 * 03:02:14: ShawnCognitionCP: I don't think he was born in Atmora.
 * 03:02:17: ShawnCognitionCP: That's never stated
 * 03:02:17: Jr seriel: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulfharth
 * 03:02:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Ysmir is after the founding of Skyrim
 * 03:02:29: Jr seriel: Wulfharth was born in Atmora in the First Era. He was chosen ruler of Skyrim in 1E 500 by the Pact of Chieftains after the death of High King Hoag Merkiller who was killed in the Battle of Glenumbra Moors.[4][2]
 * 03:02:36: ShawnCognitionCP: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wulfharth
 * 03:02:52: Jr seriel: Aren't they the same person
 * 03:02:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Our page is wrong
 * 03:02:57: ShawnCognitionCP: They are, haha
 * 03:03:00: ShawnCognitionCP: That's Ysmir Kingmaker
 * 03:03:02: ShawnCognitionCP: The Underking
 * 03:03:07: ShawnCognitionCP: He wrong the Heresey
 * 03:03:12: ShawnCognitionCP: The book I showed you yesterday
 * 03:03:18: ShawnCognitionCP: That's the guy Zurin fucks
 * 03:03:22: Jr seriel: yes i remember
 * 03:03:22: ShawnCognitionCP: And becomes part of Talos
 * 03:03:35: Jr seriel: Even on the UESP page it says he was born in atmora
 * 03:03:45: Nekyn Alb: yep
 * 03:03:50: Jr seriel: Ysmir Wulfharth (also known as Dragon of the North, Shor's Tongue, the Grey Wind, the Storm of Kyne, the Kingmaker, the Ash-King) was the Atmora-born High King of ancient Skyrim who came to power with the death of Hoag Merkiller at Glenumbria Moors.[1][2] He submitted Skyrim to a fiery reinstatement of the traditional Nordic pantheon, destroying Alessian temples and forcing the remnants of its priesthood to seek refuge in the Heartland.[1]
 * 03:04:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, but it specifies an Atmoran born Nord.
 * 03:04:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Atmorans are still a different species than Nord.
 * 03:04:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Born on continent, not that race.
 * 03:04:30: Jr seriel: Weird
 * 03:04:46: Nekyn Alb: wait, "of Atmora" doesn't have to mean "born in Atmora"
 * 03:04:55: Jr seriel: ^
 * 03:05:03: ShawnCognitionCP: "was the Atmora-born High King of ancient Skyrim"
 * 03:05:08: ShawnCognitionCP: Atmora-born does, though
 * 03:05:34: Nekyn Alb: That's what they wrote
 * 03:05:40: Nekyn Alb: I'm looking at the sources
 * 03:05:50: Nekyn Alb: they only say "of Atmora"
 * 03:08:08: Alexei Smirnov: Greetings capitalist comrade Shawn
 * 03:08:51: Alexei Smirnov: And my German freind nekyn
 * 03:08:57: Nekyn Alb: Hello
 * 03:09:23: Alexei Smirnov: How's Germany?
 * 03:09:38: Nekyn Alb: 1500 years after Ysgramor, not sure if any more settlers came over from Atmora
 * 03:09:42: Nekyn Alb: Very German
 * 03:10:00: Alexei Smirnov: Octoberfest?
 * 03:10:15: Alexei Smirnov: Beer and sausage?
 * 03:10:21: Nekyn Alb: and cleavage
 * 03:10:33: Alexei Smirnov: Point hats
 * 03:10:52: Alexei Smirnov: Pointy*
 * 03:11:34: Nekyn Alb: and pacts with demons
 * 03:11:42: Nekyn Alb: with a lot of fists
 * 03:11:53: Alexei Smirnov: I've been to Octoberfest once, when I visited Germany a couple years back.
 * 03:12:09: Alexei Smirnov: Interesting combination
 * 03:12:47: Nekyn Alb: I don't drink alcohol and dislike crowds so I haven't been at one
 * 03:13:12: Alexei Smirnov: Ah I see
 * 03:13:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Wulfharth came from Atmora
 * 03:13:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber Septim is the last purported traveller from Atmora
 * 03:13:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Obviously not Hjalti Tiber
 * 03:13:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Would have to be Ysmir
 * 03:13:48: Jr seriel: So atmoran or nord?
 * 03:13:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Hjalti is confirmed Breton or Imperial, Zurin was 100% Imperial
 * 03:13:59: Alexei Smirnov: Well all I did was get with friends and go to a pub and get some food and drink
 * 03:14:01: ShawnCognitionCP: That leaves only Ysmir
 * 03:14:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Atmoran-born Nord
 * 03:14:16: Alexei Smirnov: Then play some fallout the rest of the day pretty much
 * 03:14:54: Nekyn Alb: "Tiber Septim is the last purported traveller from Atmora" PGE?
 * 03:15:03: Alexei Smirnov: Brb
 * 03:15:30: Nekyn Alb: Hjalti is most definitely Breton, the ghost in Old Hroldan supports that
 * 03:15:44: ShawnCognitionCP: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Atmora
 * 03:15:56: ShawnCognitionCP: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_First_Edition:_Cyrodiil
 * 03:16:11: Nekyn Alb: Wasn't there something with Zurin possibly being a reachmen
 * 03:16:16: ShawnCognitionCP: "He was born in Atmora as Talos, 'Stormcrown' in the language of the ancient Ehlnofey,"
 * 03:16:23: Jr seriel: I thought Nekyn said that pocket guide was an unreliable source
 * 03:16:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Stormcrown being a name Tiber gained by stealing Ysmir's identity, that was his nickname
 * 03:16:45: Nekyn Alb: Ah yeah, the PGE, imperial propaganda
 * 03:16:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes
 * 03:16:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Spreading part of Hjalti's lies
 * 03:17:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Including Wulfharth's story he claimed as his own
 * 03:17:09: Nekyn Alb: Promoting Tiber to the Nord, saying the mofo was born in their second homeland
 * 03:18:19: Nekyn Alb: well, there is MK's picture of Tiber talking to the last king of Atmora
 * 03:18:21: Jr seriel: I have been reading about MK. Man that man worked on a lot of terrible games
 * 03:18:41: Nekyn Alb: He wrote for the Minecraft Story Mode
 * 03:18:54: Jr seriel: Also EA's lord of the rings games
 * 03:19:16: Alexei Smirnov: Anyone here ever play hotline Miami?
 * 03:19:32: Jr seriel: not me
 * 03:20:52: Alexei Smirnov: Well me have a eastern European version, "Mother Russia Bleeds"
 * 03:23:32: Nekyn Alb: gotta go now, bye o/
 * 03:23:52: Jr seriel: till later
 * 03:51:55: Jr seriel: Do we know what weapons ysmir used?
 * 04:11:23: KINMUNE: Hello there, Josetrujillo!
 * 04:11:41: Josetrujillo: sap fuckers
 * 04:12:33: Qahnaarin1997: Stop fucking trees.
 * 04:12:41: Josetrujillo: never
 * 04:13:24: Josetrujillo: qahn
 * 04:13:40: Josetrujillo: any idea to level good magic?
 * 04:13:53: Josetrujillo: or just spamming it?
 * 04:13:55: Qahnaarin1997: Skyrim?
 * 04:13:59: Qahnaarin1997: What school?
 * 04:14:12: Josetrujillo: everything XD
 * 04:14:23: Qahnaarin1997: Muffle, transmute
 * 04:14:24: Josetrujillo: also enchanting and alchemy
 * 04:14:44: Qahnaarin1997: Make rings necklesses ect
 * 04:14:47: Qahnaarin1997: Enchant those
 * 04:14:53: Josetrujillo: since its a pure mage
 * 04:14:55: Qahnaarin1997: Sell them for a shit ton
 * 04:15:09: Josetrujillo: and where i find gems for it?
 * 04:15:29: Qahnaarin1997: Transmute iron to silver, silver to gold
 * 04:15:41: Josetrujillo: that's what normally i do when i find iron
 * 04:15:44: Qahnaarin1997: make silver or gold rings or necklaces
 * 04:15:44: Josetrujillo: or silver
 * 04:15:58: Qahnaarin1997: You mean soul gems
 * 04:16:01: Josetrujillo: yeh
 * 04:16:05: Qahnaarin1997: Azura's star
 * 04:16:24: Josetrujillo: normal or the another?
 * 04:16:35: Qahnaarin1997: Normal, not black
 * 04:16:58: Josetrujillo: i was thinking to give the star to the elf for buying stuff to him
 * 04:17:29: Josetrujillo: that if i can annihilate the daedras
 * 04:19:21: Josetrujillo: Also, what the limit level for the mages of the school to sell better magics?
 * 04:24:23: Jr seriel: Nah bro keep it black
 * 04:48:29: Jr seriel: Ugh i hate how buggy the creation kit is
 * 05:02:42: Jr seriel: Is it possible that the underking would have resembled the ash spawns from solstheim
 * 06:55:35: RenzXVI: Hi!
 * 06:56:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 06:57:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: just saw the most biased WW2 documentary ever
 * 06:58:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the big bad americans were putting japanese immigrants in horrible detainment camps, but no mention of what the japanese were doing to white people in the areas they conquered
 * 07:01:35: RenzXVI: Lol, everyone knows the Japanese did more insane stuff.
 * 07:02:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: exactly
 * 07:03:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they didn't do anything similar to the atomic bombs that the big bad americans used on them though
 * 07:03:40: RenzXVI: Even the thing they do to themselves when they think they are dishonorable is insane. Self-disembowelment.
 * 07:04:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't care about them killing themselves, that's their business
 * 07:04:48: RenzXVI: Yeah, but who the heck invents the best way of honorably killing yourself? Sepuku is pretty hard to do.
 * 07:05:02: RenzXVI: Seppuku
 * 07:05:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: tbh i don't even know how it works
 * 07:05:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: all i know is that you cut yourself open
 * 07:05:45: RenzXVI: Yeah, it sort of is.
 * 07:05:56: RenzXVI: But it is deep enough that your organs spill out.
 * 07:06:04: RenzXVI: You really open your belly up.
 * 07:06:19: RenzXVI: But it's usually accompanied by someone beheading you.
 * 07:08:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: that would make it less awful, i guess
 * 07:34:15: The cheese lord of nirn: Ashley....
 * 07:34:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah?
 * 07:34:41: The cheese lord of nirn: Sry if I made patrolling a little harder with my post
 * 07:34:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't partol anyway
 * 07:35:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i only have authority in this chat
 * 07:35:24: The cheese lord of nirn: Wait. That's kora isn't it. Why do I mix u guys up
 * 07:35:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: idk, i'm way better than her
 * 07:35:45: RenzXVI: They have the opposite personalities. XD
 * 07:35:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ^
 * 07:36:03: The cheese lord of nirn: Lol. Ashley is nice. Kora is mean
 * 07:36:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: kora and i are nothing alike
 * 07:36:26: The cheese lord of nirn: Btw renz, ty for the catergory help I found one yesterday
 * 07:51:22: RenzXVI: https://i.imgur.com/XLikGhu.gif
 * 07:51:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: wtf is that?
 * 07:51:35: RenzXVI: https://i.imgur.com/XEcxF0q.gif
 * 07:52:37: RenzXVI: They are called "Big Alien Gorilla Wolf Motherfuckers". They are aliens from the movie Attack the Block. They have no eyes, use echolocation and they have pure black fur that reflects no light.
 * 07:52:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah
 * 07:54:26: RenzXVI: I made coffee to get the taste of the meal out of my mouth, but the twig I found in my coffee left a twig taste in my mouth.
 * 07:54:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: at least the twig wiped out the coffee taste
 * 07:54:53: RenzXVI: lol
 * 07:55:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nothing tastes worse than coffee
 * 07:55:39: RenzXVI: the twig does.
 * 07:58:16: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i doubt it
 * 08:33:59: RenzXVI: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:257787#114
 * 08:43:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the ebony warrior cannot go to sovngarde bc he is not a nord
 * 08:43:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: redguards go to the far shores after death
 * 08:43:49: RenzXVI: Yeah, but the Dragonborn was there.
 * 08:43:58: RenzXVI: So they say there can be exceptions.
 * 08:45:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the dragonborn wasn't dead when they were in sovngarde
 * 08:48:07: RenzXVI: Yeah.
 * 08:48:14: RenzXVI: I still like my Chuck Norris story.
 * 08:48:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
 * 08:49:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: if he were chuck norris, the Dovahkiin would not have survived the encounter
 * 08:49:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: chuck norrys can swim through land, after all
 * 08:49:43: RenzXVI: Well, he wasn't that good yet... Then he got hundreds of years training.
 * 08:49:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: norris*
 * 08:57:26: KINMUNE: Hello there, Thonira!
 * 08:57:30: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hello
 * 08:59:06: RenzXVI: Disney should make some horror themed family movies, I am sure they could do something like that.
 * 08:59:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they have the nightmare before christmas
 * 08:59:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've never watched it though
 * 08:59:54: RenzXVI: O_o
 * 08:59:56: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: not sure if it's really horror
 * 08:59:57: RenzXVI: Well, I mean more.
 * 09:00:13: RenzXVI: It kind of is... But the end part became a Christmas movie.
 * 09:12:08: RenzXVI: You should really see that movie.
 * 09:12:23: RenzXVI: Specially now since it's halloween.
 * 09:13:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: halloween is a meaningless day to me
 * 09:13:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've never celebrated it
 * 09:13:40: RenzXVI: Well, it's xmas themed too.
 * 09:13:55: RenzXVI: It just fits the coming months. :p
 * 09:17:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't care for christmas either
 * 09:18:09: RenzXVI: Lol, me too. But I still like doing themes.
 * 09:18:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: all the annoying lights, all the annoying songs, all the annoyingness in general
 * 09:18:46: RenzXVI: Yeah, these films are actually the only thing I'd like that's related to Christmas.
 * 09:22:46: RenzXVI: My most favorite Christmas film is still Die Hard 1 and 2 though. Lol
 * 09:23:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: my favorite film to watch at christmas is still Mulan
 * 09:23:40: RenzXVI: lol
 * 09:23:56: RenzXVI: I guess it works because it has snow.
 * 09:24:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: bc it's my favorite movie overall, and christmas doesn't change my opinion on movies
 * 11:38:16: Flightmare: hi
 * 11:50:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :D
 * 11:52:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello :3
 * 11:52:08: Mister Min-Maxer: Hi
 * 11:52:24: Mister Min-Maxer: Interesting name you got there.
 * 11:53:19: Mister Min-Maxer: Are you new? Never seen you in chat or /d before.
 * 11:53:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: no I'm just not on alot
 * 11:54:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: check my join date :P
 * 11:54:15: Mister Min-Maxer: Ok. Lol.
 * 11:54:16: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: also /d is cancer :P
 * 11:54:21: Mister Min-Maxer: Not always.
 * 11:54:43: Mister Min-Maxer: Some people there aren't too cancerous.
 * 11:55:30: Mister Min-Maxer: Like me, the mods, Storm, Empire, Aquilla and Telvanni.
 * 11:55:46: Mister Min-Maxer: Thats probably about it, though
 * 11:56:36: Mister Min-Maxer: KINMUNE, is /d cancer?
 * 11:56:37: KINMUNE: No.
 * 11:59:02: Mister Min-Maxer: Gtg.
 * 12:13:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: didn't notice there was activity here lol
 * 12:25:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol :P
 * 12:25:43: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: there's no food
 * 12:25:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what should I buy?
 * 12:25:56: RenzXVI: food.
 * 12:26:07: RenzXVI: Unless you want a foot stool.
 * 12:26:12: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol xD
 * 12:26:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: maybe chicken
 * 12:26:28: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: or a roasr
 * 12:26:32: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: roast
 * 12:26:46: RenzXVI: What about both? Roast chicken.
 * 12:27:09: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: chickens are too small to have parts big enough for a roast
 * 12:27:55: RenzXVI: But I thought roast chicken exists? O_o Have have I been eating all these years? O_o
 * 12:27:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: tho I could get a broiler
 * 12:28:11: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol xD
 * 12:28:17: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: probably broiler
 * 12:28:46: RenzXVI: I am not really sure what that is.
 * 12:32:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: https://im.mtv.fi/image/5654076/landscape16_9/515/290/9ca70d73113d4c9703b16e92f443af0a/EH/893674-4575.jpg
 * 12:32:32: RenzXVI: Wow, you looked so tan when you were a baby.
 * 12:32:49: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD
 * 12:32:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I still do xD
 * 12:33:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: buy candy. it's the best food
 * 12:33:51: RenzXVI: Yeah, for halloween
 * 12:34:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i usually pretend i'm not home when those annoying kids come beg for my candy
 * 12:35:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: if you want candy, buy your own
 * 12:35:36: RenzXVI: house to house trick or treating doesn't exist here. :(
 * 12:36:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: be glad
 * 12:36:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no kids will come for your candy
 * 12:38:07: RenzXVI: I can't have any either. And I can't trick or treat. XD
 * 12:38:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: buy candy
 * 12:39:04: RenzXVI: There's no thrill in that.
 * 12:40:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true, but it tastes good
 * 12:40:42: RenzXVI: Well, trick or treating does exist here but only in malls, but only kids are allowed. But there was a time I was going to attend a halloween ball with my goth friends and cell towers were offline for some reason that day, so I was 3 hours early and they were 3 hours late, we didn't know when to meet. I was roaming around the mall all day and somehow got a bunch of free candy and food. XD
 * 12:50:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: free food is always good
 * 12:51:43: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: for some reason they don't sell halloween candy anymore
 * 12:52:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I miss those marsmallow eyeballs with sour sauce inside
 * 12:52:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: they even had yellow ones
 * 12:52:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i like halloween candy
 * 12:53:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: me too
 * 12:53:17: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: instead of halloween candy they're selling christmas candy
 * 12:54:59: RenzXVI: It's the same for here. I remember the eyeball candy.
 * 12:56:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: :o
 * 12:56:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: you had them too?
 * 12:56:19: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: they were the best :D
 * 12:57:06: RenzXVI: yeah
 * 12:57:19: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: christmas candy already?
 * 12:57:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yep
 * 12:58:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: bring me my rape shoes!
 * 12:59:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: in the netherlands, we still have a national holiday in between, so christmas candy won't show up for at least another month
 * 12:59:31: RenzXVI: I like fruitcake.
 * 12:59:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: japan doesn't seem to care much about christmas, though i'm sure i'll see some kawaii santas or something when the time comes
 * 13:00:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what holiday is that?
 * 13:00:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: Sinterklaas
 * 13:00:19: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what is it
 * 13:00:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
 * 13:01:05: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: hey that's on the same day as our independence day xD
 * 13:01:05: RenzXVI: I misread that as stinkerass
 * 13:01:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you were good kids, so Sinterklaas gifted you independence
 * 13:01:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh yeh there's also independence day candy
 * 13:01:53: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol :P
 * 13:01:56: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yey :D
 * 13:02:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: independence day isn't celebrated in the netherlands
 * 13:02:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but is a holiday?
 * 13:02:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: unless you count the end of Nazi oppression as independence day
 * 13:02:36: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: which we don't
 * 13:02:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no
 * 13:02:42: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: :o
 * 13:02:56: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: people have to work on independence day? X_X
 * 13:03:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
 * 13:03:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: tbh i don't even know when it is
 * 13:03:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: unacceptable!
 * 13:04:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: might be bc the date at which we became independent is subject to debate
 * 13:05:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it could be at the start of the 80 years war, at the end of it, or at the end of the french occupation
 * 13:07:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ic
 * 13:07:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh yeah Finland will also turn 100 this year :D
 * 13:08:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nice
 * 13:08:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh :D
 * 13:09:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we're older than you though
 * 13:09:18: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: there's been these Suomi 100 banners all over the place since january
 * 13:09:29: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol pretty much everyone is older than us :P
 * 13:09:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nah, South Sudan is not older than you
 * 13:09:53: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: there's also Suomi 100 products all over the place
 * 13:10:26: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: now you can make your own suomi 100 macaroni casserole with suomi 100 ground beef and suomi 100 macaroni
 * 13:12:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: too much craziness
 * 13:12:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: russia should take over again and put an end to it
 * 13:13:33: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD never
 * 13:15:49: RenzXVI: What am I doing, I am downloading 3 dozen horror films.
 * 13:23:36: RenzXVI: Wow, I counted it all manually and my 3 dozen was a really far off underestimate. There's 61 films in here. 28 of them are the old school Japanese Godzilla films.
 * 13:24:09: RenzXVI: 10 of them are the Halloween (film) franchise.
 * 13:24:36: RenzXVI: Maybe I'll just ditch the Godzilla franchise.
 * 13:24:56: RenzXVI: Even though I've wanted to see that franchise since I was 9.
 * 13:31:36: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've always assumed the Godzilla movies were really bad, but i don't really know why
 * 13:34:50: RenzXVI: They're not meant to be taken seriously, they're more like a play than a movie. They're obviously men in cheap costumes and they focus on the story. But honestly, I've never seen a single one of those so I can't really tell what it's like watching one.
 * 13:35:18: RenzXVI: But yeah, I'll just neglect them again for now.
 * 13:35:47: RenzXVI: Frankenweenie is one of the films I am downloading, it's another Tim Burton animated film.
 * 13:40:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: who's Tim Burton?
 * 13:41:17: RenzXVI: The director of A Nightmare Before Christmas.
 * 13:41:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: stupid facebook, events on the other side of the world are not near me
 * 13:41:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah
 * 13:42:32: RenzXVI: Btw, why were you talking about Kawaii Santas? Japanese don't do anything for halloween?
 * 13:43:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they do have some stuff, but that's coming to a close
 * 13:44:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i mentioned kawaii santas bc we were talking about christmas and i expect to see those around that time
 * 13:44:21: RenzXVI: Oh, ok. XD
 * 13:44:36: RenzXVI: So what halloween stuff have you seen?
 * 13:45:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've seen candy shaped like kawaii vampires
 * 13:46:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the donut place i like had donuts with fangs
 * 13:46:29: RenzXVI: Cool
 * 13:49:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the fanged donuts tasted good
 * 13:49:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: not sure what the fangs were made of
 * 13:51:33: RenzXVI: sugarcoated souls of aborted babies.
 * 13:53:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: don't be silly. i'm in japan, aborted babies here have no souls
 * 13:53:57: RenzXVI: It's an aborted Canadian then.
 * 13:55:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm gonna go with the souls of dutch exchange students who were ritually sacrificed
 * 16:43:59: KINMUNE: Hello there, Hybrid-Lucario!
 * 16:44:03: Hybrid-Lucario: Hello
 * 16:44:39: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :D
 * 16:45:04: RenzXVI: hi
 * 16:45:43: Hybrid-Lucario: its been a while sense Ive been on here..
 * 16:49:11: RenzXVI: Oh.
 * 16:49:20: RenzXVI: 2014?
 * 16:50:26: Hybrid-Lucario: yup
 * 16:50:39: RenzXVI: That was a while.
 * 16:50:47: Hybrid-Lucario: I get on about once a year. xD
 * 17:03:38: RhodiumOdi: O/
 * 17:03:47: RenzXVI: hi
 * 17:05:13: RhodiumOdi: Quick question, could youse briefly describe the relationship between us and UESP? Making another post, lots of new users keep saying we're either the same or at war
 * 17:05:48: Qahnaarin1997: Hey Odi
 * 17:06:26: RhodiumOdi: Hey Qahn
 * 17:06:43: Qahnaarin1997: How are you?
 * 17:07:12: RhodiumOdi: Tired, lotta bullshit with my car. How's you?
 * 17:12:05: RenzXVI: What do you mean the same?
 * 17:15:32: RhodiumOdi: The think UESP and TES Wiki are two names for the same thing
 * 17:17:11: RenzXVI: Ok, I'll disagree with both of what you said.
 * 17:17:44: RenzXVI: Both sites are wikis but we aren't related to each other.
 * 17:17:54: RenzXVI: But I wouldn't say the wikis are at war either.
 * 17:18:38: RenzXVI: Although I won't deny that both sites sorta take enjoyment when trouble is happening on the other site.
 * 17:18:47: Qahnaarin1997: I'm good, a bit busy atm though
 * 17:19:55: RhodiumOdi: Any comments you'd like to make, opinions on them, what it's like, etc?
 * 17:21:46: RenzXVI: I'm not really sure what else is to say. Most people say their lore articles are better than here, like more elaborate. But we have more content in general IIRC.
 * 17:23:34: RhodiumOdi: Tank ya, can't say I know anything about them. Well, other than reading all that cross wiki drama on talk pages from years ago. Lol
 * 17:23:59: RenzXVI: That's why it's hard for me to decide what to say. XD
 * 17:24:35: RenzXVI: but it is fact that a lot of people who had "retired" from this site had ended up there.
 * 17:25:02: RhodiumOdi: Isn't Jimee staff there now?
 * 17:25:49: RenzXVI: Yeah, he is the best example.
 * 17:26:54: RhodiumOdi: Along with He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Timeo.. I mean named
 * 17:27:13: RenzXVI: Here's the last thing I saw from Jimeee http://en.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=UESPWiki:Administrator_Noticeboard
 * 17:27:39: RenzXVI: ooops http://en.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=UESPWiki:Administrator_Noticeboard#Minor_Issue_.28Resolved.29
 * 17:27:48: RenzXVI: I didn't link the specific header.
 * 17:30:17: RhodiumOdi: Ohhh that's right
 * 17:31:14: RenzXVI: I still love that post of his
 * 17:31:16: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Hey ghys
 * 17:31:23: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Guys*
 * 17:31:33: RhodiumOdi: Well, thanks again. Must go write this post. Cya
 * 17:31:41: RenzXVI: Bye
 * 17:31:42: RenzXVI: Hi
 * 17:31:54: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Hi. I'm going as a viking.
 * 19:14:35: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 19:22:49: KINMUNE: Hello there, Chillv64!
 * 19:29:31: Jr seriel: I was thinking. Are there any other artifacts on the same caliber as mehrunes Razer? And also besides the amulet of Kings
 * 19:31:55: Nekyn Alb: The Skeleton Key
 * 19:32:31: Nekyn Alb: It unlocks everything. Locks, potential, minds ...
 * 19:34:02: Jr seriel: knowledge too. But i mean artifacts made by the aedra themselves
 * 19:34:14: Nekyn Alb: Ah
 * 19:34:25: Nekyn Alb: Well, the Razor isn't made by Aedra but the Ge
 * 19:34:52: Jr seriel: yes, ok or the magna ge
 * 19:34:58: Jr seriel: Aedra of magna ge
 * 19:35:10: Nekyn Alb: We only know of a few aedric artifacts. I think the brush in Oblivion is an artifact of Dibella
 * 19:35:31: Jr seriel: True true
 * 19:35:39: Nekyn Alb: Auriel's Bow is a strong weapon of course, his shield is also solid
 * 19:36:06: Jr seriel: Yeah auriels bow was always really lame to me.
 * 19:36:31: Jr seriel: I feel they should be wayyyyy more powerful than they really are
 * 19:36:36: Nekyn Alb: Most aedric artifacts are simply weapons or armor
 * 19:36:46: Nekyn Alb: Lore can't be recreated ingame
 * 19:37:08: Nekyn Alb: The Thu'um can turn city walls to dust
 * 19:37:09: Jr seriel: Is it ever specified if auriels bow wwas the bow used to shoot lorkhan's heart to the seas to the west
 * 19:37:19: Jr seriel: Yeah that is bad game development then
 * 19:37:37: Jr seriel: You aren't supposed to have narrative that inhibits gameplay
 * 19:37:44: Nekyn Alb: It is said to have been created by Anui-El and given to Auriel in the Ehlnofey War
 * 19:38:07: Nekyn Alb: Kinda hard to fit that in the games without upsetting the balance
 * 19:38:15: Jr seriel: OP perhaps
 * 19:38:21: Nekyn Alb: At the level of Miraak, you could whisper at anything and it dies
 * 19:38:36: Jr seriel: But that doesn't happen
 * 19:38:38: Jr seriel: lame
 * 19:39:02: Nekyn Alb: It's better to scale things down so it is more fun, we already get absurdely strong
 * 19:39:02: Jr seriel: Yeah Miraak should be able to kill TLD real easy
 * 19:39:16: Nekyn Alb: Nah, the LDB is strong af too
 * 19:39:25: Jr seriel: not on the level that miraak is
 * 19:40:00: Nekyn Alb: He needs to refuel himself with his servants, the LDB doesn't have that. Just healing potions and spells
 * 19:40:17: Jr seriel: Miraak could have healing spells too?
 * 19:40:38: Jr seriel: Maybe he does some weird apocraphya alchemy and can make potions. He has had thousands of years to figure it out
 * 19:41:22: Nekyn Alb: Probably, the dragons are important though. We beat his ass multiple times and he needs to go aetherial and heal himself that way, which means we are endangering his life seriously
 * 19:42:05: Jr seriel: His unrelenting force should have been able to blow you to pieces. or atleast cleanly off the platform you are fighting him on
 * 19:42:54: Nekyn Alb: We are able to withstand shouts because of our heritages. Arguments between dragons are setttled like that
 * 19:43:16: Nekyn Alb: They don't turn into ash instantly as well
 * 19:43:55: Jr seriel: when wulfharth went to the greybeards they thu'um'd him right back to ash
 * 21:53:53: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph!
 * 22:01:54: KINMUNE: Hello there, Jr seriel!
 * 22:02:48: Jr seriel: KINMUNE, Do you want to fight?
 * 22:02:51: KINMUNE: Ask SuperSajuuk, he probably knows.
 * 23:14:14: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Beautiful Princess Ashley!
 * 23:14:24: Jr seriel: Hey
 * 23:18:25: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 23:19:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what's up?
 * 23:20:51: Jr seriel: Watching college American football
 * 23:20:54: Jr seriel: You?
 * 23:21:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: just got up, listening to some music
 * 23:26:12: Jr seriel: So if the dova language is universal between dragonborn and dragons. Why is fire breath different for dragonborn verses the dragons fire breath thu'um
 * 23:27:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's not
 * 23:27:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's the same shout for dragons as it is for the dovahkiin
 * 23:28:22: Jr seriel: Yes it is. The dragons fire breath thu'um is a Concentrated fire breath and the fire breath the TLD uses is a fire and forget thu'um
 * 23:29:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: oh
 * 23:29:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'll admit i never pay attention to what dragons are shouting while they're trying to kill me
 * 23:30:00: Jr seriel: That is fair enough
 * 23:30:29: Nekyn Alb: Because that would be stupid in closed rooms
 * 23:30:50: Jr seriel: That one dragon in labrynthia did it
 * 23:31:34: Jr seriel: And the dragon in blackreach
 * 23:31:37: Nekyn Alb: Does he even shout? Anyway, it's big enough and lorewise he wouldn't have to care
 * 23:31:49: Nekyn Alb: That's one big ass cave, lol
 * 23:32:51: Jr seriel: Still closed. It doesn't make sense though that they are different effects for the same words
 * 23:34:18: Nekyn Alb: I obviously mean smaller rooms like the usual dungeons
 * 23:34:47: Nekyn Alb: g a m e p l a y l i m i t a t i o n s
 * 23:35:36: Jr seriel: How would that limit gameplay. It would look alittle funky but wouldn't break the game or anything
 * 23:36:32: Nekyn Alb: What? Have you ever seen the mods that do those dragon shouts? Your vision is extremely limited when you breath fire for multiple seconds
 * 23:37:26: Jr seriel: So is wearing the ebony mail while aim with a box and crouching. And that is in the game
 * 23:37:35: Nekyn Alb: You'd hit your companions all the time, it would advance through half the dungeon and disable any traps, takes long ...
 * 23:37:51: Nekyn Alb: not as much, lol
 * 23:38:20: Jr seriel: You could use fire breath to disable to the traps through out a dungeon too
 * 23:39:08: Jr seriel: Plus companions are gameplay limitation in itself lol
 * 23:39:38: Nekyn Alb: Disabling a quarter of a dungeons dangers right at the beginning is boring
 * 23:39:43: Jr seriel: So then why don't the dragons have the same fire breath as you then. Not the other way around
 * 23:40:02: Jr seriel: Still possible though . It would be no fun
 * 23:40:12: Nekyn Alb: Because it's useful for them and looks better and more dragon-like
 * 23:41:10: Jr seriel: Doesn't make sense though in lore
 * 23:41:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: a lot of gameplay makes no sense in lore
 * 23:42:08: Jr seriel: Yes I completely agree. Which is why Bethesda kind of sucks for that reason
 * 23:42:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: beth sucks bc it prefers fun games over correct lore?
 * 23:43:19: Jr seriel: The other way around. But essentially yes. There should never be narrative or lore that doesn't support gameplay and vice versa
 * 23:43:50: Jr seriel: That is the first rule of game and level design which Bethesda constantly breaks
 * 23:44:35: Jr seriel: Kirkbride should have gone to RIT and taken some level design courses after he went to University of Auburn maybe it would be alittle better
 * 23:45:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: kirkbride was not involved in skyrim's gameplay
 * 23:46:47: Jr seriel: I know. Slightly unrelated but he did write a lot of lore that Bethesda never intended for gameplay. Unless his work is to be interpeted like religious text
 * 23:47:09: Jr seriel: Where the authenticity of the detail is not supposed to be taken literally
 * 23:47:20: Jr seriel: More mythology than lore
 * 23:47:57: Jr seriel: Idk just speaking aloud
 * 23:48:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: that's a lot easier than speaking in silence
 * 23:48:45: Jr seriel: Haha *thinking
 * 23:48:48: Jr seriel: Lol sorry
 * 23:50:10: Jr seriel: Is there anything the skeleton key can't unlock?
 * 23:50:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lorewise? no
 * 23:50:33: Jr seriel: So you could use it figure out CHIM
 * 23:50:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: in gameplay, it can't unlock needs a key doors
 * 23:50:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: idk
 * 23:53:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't think daedric artifacts can have that much power
 * 23:53:59: Jr seriel: Yeah me neither
 * 23:54:36: Jr seriel: Unless similar to razor, the magna ge secretly made the skeleton key
 * 23:58:18: Jr seriel: Is vivec more powerful than the aedra?
 * 23:58:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i think so
 * 23:59:11: Jr seriel: Who would win in a fight vivec or talos
 * 23:59:19: Jr seriel: They both acheived CHIM
 * 23:59:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: stalemate
 * 23:59:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they both have chim