Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-92.251.228.132-20141108020915/@comment-26332923-20151113102903

Bone-Abbacus wrote: Platinum Luffy wrote: Yes they do, newborns even have a sense of justice, you could look it up if you want or whatever, but me at least, when i was very young i started crying when something bad happened and vice versa. Not really. Psychologically this is altogether different. Newborns cry when something affects their limited worldview, but this isn't justice. This is simply them trying, again, in their limited way, to deal with their uncontrolled emotions. Newborns cry for a host of reasons, and young children often feel the rules or restrictions of their parents are "unjust," and thus, cry about it. But that does not make them unjust.

I suppose I could look it up but if we're really debating this, the onus is on you to provide evidence for your assertion that newborns have morals (or a sense of justice, or both).

Not sure if this forum does private messages, (haven't checked my profile) but feel free to PM me with any relevant links to peer-reviewed studies regarding this, if you find them.

Certainly, this doesn't mean we don't develop a moral standard, of course we do (and one often separate from the law, as I would agree we do not need civil law to guide internal morals) and what is right is not always lawful and what is lawful, not always right. Though in fairness I don't think anyone asserted that civil law is somehow greater.

So in most respects we agree, just not about morals being somehow innate. They're definitely taught, although they feel innate a lot of the time because we've usually had them for a long time, by the time we start discussions like this. Not really. Have you ever felt that when you were younger something unfair happened, for example, you don't get to do this thing while that other person gets to do it? That's kind of where my point comes from, even something as simple as that is a form of justice, and that morals are part of our nature, and in fact what makes us humans, more than anything.