User talk:Jimeee

Authors
Hey Jimeee. First of all - I dont think I've officially welcomed you here... so... welcome! If you have any questions about anything, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page, or ask me directly on IRC (Also a good place to meet other editors or just other people playing Skyrim. Anyways - I just wanted to say... thanks for helping to fix up the Authors page! I haven't gotten around to adding the new Authors yet - so thanks for helping out there! Again, if I can help you out with anything, let me know, and I'll do what I can. Finally - Id like to say welcome once more! Happy Editing! :D Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 11:53, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Hiya. Thanks for the info. I have just been using the default location template. I'll take a look at the one you suggested. DLanyon (talk) 15:48, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Templates
Hi Jimeee, i read on another talk page that you know how to make templates. Do you think you can make a weapons and an armor template that is specific to Skyrim. As I look through items on this wikia, ingredients seem to be the only thing that has a correct template. weapons and armor do seem to have any rhyme or reason. and i can only find old templates for Oblivion. thanks for all the help you have provided. Poppaberry (talk) 16:46, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jimee! In order to properly answer your question regarding templates, I believe that I need to ask one or two of my own. (Apologies about that). First of all, given that you seem to know a lot more about templates (I made the SkyrimLocations one, but I freely admit that I did only a little bit more than changing section names) is it possible to have it somewhere so that that icon thingy (the one for tombs, dwarven ruins, etc, etc) shows up depending on what they put for "Type" in Template:SkyrimLocations? If it is, then, that brings me on to the other questions... second question would be : can you please help to make that happen? But the final question (and the most important one) is... would this be okay with you if we DID streamline it into the one category? (As you yourself said, you DID spend a fair amount of time making those templates). In the long run, yes, it would be better to have the one templates, however, its dependent mainly on those other questions. (For instance, the ones you made, with the icon-images, look awesome :D Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 20:14, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

The template looks good for the weapons, alittle tweaking. maybe put a note on it that says something about it only having base damage listed that is not effected by skills or perks. try to cut down on the confusion. we also need to get it added to the Category:Skyrim: Weapons page to make that the official template to use. thanks for the work.Poppaberry (talk) 15:06, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

SkyrimLocations reply: Okay, I just read your reply, Jimeee. I now agree with you. They would indeed be better with their own separate templates. (As you said, settlements are not the same thing as dungeons, etc). If it was possible to have the one template and only show the relevant section, as well as being able to have the image, then I would suggest using the one template, but as things stand now: I must apologise. I now agree with you that they look a lot better than the default template. Also - I'm not sure whats going on with the weapons and armor templates, but if you're tweaking them too, let me know which templates we should be using (actually, if you could put them on the templates section of Skyrim Task List, that we we can all see them) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 15:17, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hiya. A bit on the location templates. I was looking at the cave one and I may have messed something up on it but I cannot figure out what. It wont show the enemies/quest items. Also, if you can add some documentation to the doc of the templates to help with their usage. Plus there are a few areas that don't quite fit the templates so far, i.e. Evergreen Grove and Pinewatch. Evergreen is a grove, the only one I have encountered so far. Pinewatch is a house icon but is in reality a house, cave/ ruins. Thanks for helping organize things. --DLanyon (talk) 15:32, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Sorry about that. Just trying to keep up some uncreated categories, so they don't show up in Special:WantedCategories. You might be able to get away with creating one for Alchemists, but we should keep the village ones consistent throughout. For example, we are already using Category:Skyrim: Whiterun, which will include residents and locations. This matches the categorization already set up for Oblivion. Such as Category:Cheydinhal. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   09:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, I liked your Armors template. I changed a few minor things and set it up at Nightingale Armor (Skyrim) as a test run if you want to check it out. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   09:32, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I fixed the image for ya. All I changed was the image parameter. I omitted the auto-sizing and the name path. So, instead of typing it plain text, you'll do it like this: imagname.png . The image will automatically center itself too. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   09:46, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as categories go. I don't have the final say in it, so whatever you think works best. Personally, I would talk it over with an admin first, so you don't end up categorizing fifty or so pages and have those edits reverted. I've seen that happen too many times here. At any rate, I understand your logic and it sounds completely reasonable. The categorization here is already a tangled mess as is, so really, anything that helps sort out that mess is helpful in my book. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   09:48, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

The problem with the auto-scale is: it makes long images too long, pushing the infobox information way to the bottom of the article. The image itself ends up taking up more space than pretty much everything else on the page. Plus, it makes some images look blurry and stretched. This way, you can customize it, and make every work to the pages advantage. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   09:54, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know exactly how you feel. Everyday, I look at the Recent Changes and shake my head. Sometimes I can't handle it and need to walk away. Lol. Back on the categories topic, though, big categories like Category:Characters, aren't attached to anything. And if you look at the Special:CategoryTree, you can't find any of the relevant game categories... --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   10:01, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Skyrim: Characters
Hey Jimeee. I see what you mean, and I agree that it would be helpful to have those categories. I would request that it be Skyrim: Whiterun Characters (Or, instead, Skyrim: Characters: Whiterun?), so that it is in keeping with other categories that we have. Other than that - yes, I believe that we should have those categories. The only potential problem (and this is one that you should probably work out before starting to make these categories: Do you mean Whiterun Hold, or Whiterun city? :) (For example, what about those in Riverwood? Did you want to make one for Skyrim: Riverwood? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 10:26, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Categories Part II
Looks good to me. I made minor change, though. I linked to the template. We seem to be doing a pretty good job with the more specific categories; my main concern is with the broader ones. How do I explain this? As you go backwards through the categories, to see how categories are categorized, it's slightly disjointed and hard to navigate. This is what I want to fix. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   20:07, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Google search is important though :D. Not like we need a larger influx of users here, what with the Skyrim hype. At any rate, I think including the categories in templates is an excellent idea. Some are already done, and I've add one for Dark Brotherhood Quest Skyrim, so that'll be a small help. See, the way I've always categorized is: broad categories, then specific categories. For instance, say Atub, would get Category:Characters and Category:Skyrim: Characters. Category:Orcs then Category:Skyrim: Orcs, so the article can be found in both places, in case someone forgot which game Atub was from. That may not be how it works here, though. I've noticed some differing opinions on the notion. Some only want the specifics, some want both broad and specific. I'm just used to using the latter, but I suppose with smaller series like Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, it doesn't matter. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   20:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Template question
The line of code was to prevent categories and sections headers from being transcluded into popups on the wiki. Example - Interactive maps

However, I have since modified the script to utilize ajax and wiki api to avoid this complication. But it does make the script more expensive on the user's end and takes longer for hover popups to show up, especially for users with slow connections. Thus I am at a crossroad: make it more difficult for the user or make templates accommodate popups. I am still testing and I am trying to streamline the process. Sorry if I inconvenienced you or modified your template in a way you do not like. You can remove the line of code if you dislike it.

23:04, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Great Lift
Theres actually two of them. If you've been to Blackreach, you'll know why. That place is literally MASSIVE Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 09:16, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Templates
Yes, I was mostly thinking of changing the general style of the infobox whilst keeping the functionality the same. I'll probably start today. Mark ( talk ) 13:41, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Template uniformity
Hi Jimeee. Couple of questions on the location templates. Are you leaving the "MAP" off of some of these intentionally, if so, why? Are you going to go back through and reorder the items? Some templates go: image, map, hold, type. Others go: image, map, type, enemies, hold etc.. I know its not a huge deal but it seems to break up the uniformity of the pages. If you want assistance, I should have some time tomorrow to help and reornganize the templates into a standard order. Thanks for all the work on the templates already! DLanyon (talk) 03:28, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hiya, read over your response and that sounds good. To answer one question, I think sticking with characters is fine or if we want to be brief "NPC" to differentiate from character meaning "the player's character". Once we get this nailed down we can update the /doc to match the primary location one so folks will know what to put in the specific line.  e.g. Hold should only have 1 of the nine Hold pages linked and location should probably be brief and from a major settlement, e.g. Southeast of Rorikstead ; North of Whiterun.  And I have no idea about the base ID stuff.  I don't look under the hood much.  Thanks, --DLanyon (talk) 16:23, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Template

 * Hey there. I suppose I was probably the one who added those weight/value/armor icons back into the articles. Although they are symbols for Oblivion, they've been used in full swing on other Skyrim pages. In some weird way, the icons seem to have transgressed their Oblivion-only context and become a sort of wiki motif here. I've been adding them to pages for continuity sake, although I see why you wouldn't want them there. I suppose it's a matter of taste, really. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   15:04, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * We could always change the size or some upgrade the resolution or color to make it work better for the image. Any way, not important, like you said. Details. I agree that admin permission would definitely settle the matter once and for all, but what we also need is a clearly, unwaveringly defined Manual of Style entry about how armor and weapons should be formatted. With that, we always have a reference and can guide other users into making pages more... properly? Usually admins write that, but there's nothing to write into the MoS if we don't set the precedent first. --— Radical D   (bother \   stalk)   15:31, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

No worries there. I talked to Luke, aka ekulylnam, about it and am leaving those pages in his hands since he has been working hard on getting all the pages up. Although I did do some stuff on the main pages for a couple of armor type and see that deyvid has already added a box on one of them. I like it Falmer Armor. The main pages need a bit more structure still. I guess I should add a list of stuff I'm working on as well. DLanyon (talk) 16:47, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

REF ID
It seems the Ref ID and Base ID are not relevant--DLanyon (talk) 08:24, December 7, 2011 (UTC) to places and were left over in the template from the NPC template. I will remove them from any location template I come across. I have fixed the Template:Wood Mills/doc and the template. I think it is good. Let me know. If so we can start adding it to the other docs to help folks out when adding pages. later,

pages
Um, just so you know, we dont make pages that link to that site. Party because most of their pages are usually rubbish, and partly because we're in competition with them :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 14:15, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we've had dealing with them in the past (Folks on here used to lift entire articles from them, back when there was only a few editors on this wiki, and it was only 2,000 pages in total :( Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 00:44, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Templates
Thank you very much for the info regarding templates! I've been looking for a listing of specific location templates i've seen others using, been writing them down by hand up until this point to keep track. Huge help! Much obliged :) Rorchak060 (talk) 03:29, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Character Categories
Hey Jimeee. In answer to your question: please add both categories to the Skyrim pages. Whilst not the most useful category, Category:Characters still serves a purpose, as readers sometimes wish to see a list of characters in the game, and chose a name that they are familiar with to read more about them. (It happens quite regularly). In this regard, it is useful, not to mention that a lot of folks just like to go "aah, theres  number of people across the TES Series". So please, add both to characters. (In total, characters should have a minimum of 6 categories if they are completely categorised. For example, General Tullius should have Imperials, Skyrim: Imperials, Skyrim: Males, Males, Characters and Skyrim: Characters. (Also, his faction too, but thats a different thing). Um ... when was he removing the categories? :'( Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 09:24, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for that, Jimeee! Let me know if it happens again, please? :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 09:38, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Template
I checked the history. You'd have to speak to Kacj about that. He changed the template to make it fit in with other existing templates that we have on the wiki Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 15:24, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

weapon and armor template
Hiya, just to let you know why I had put that code in the templates. Weight isnt underlined like the other 2 values. DLanyon (talk) 19:31, December 9, 2011 (UTC)