Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-9062114-20151024212230/@comment-10789912-20151029232421

RenzXVI wrote: The Crusader of Truth wrote: CynicalEarth wrote: The evidence provided by the "court", shall we say, outweigh that of the "defense". Wait, I still haven't seen the evidence. And usercheck isn't enough-it's not always accurate. With that, we'd have to assume Innocence Until Proven Guilty and good faith. Unless we get some facts in here that Sajuuk deserves to be banned due to sockpuppeting, we should not leave him banned.

I gave this some thought, we only banned him for sockpuppeting, we only need to debate sockpuppeting. If we want to get rid of him so bad, we should debate that later, not right now. Right now should be just for this issue. Let's take it one step at a time. You don't carve a whole ship out of one tree, you put it together.

He had been "innocent until proven guilty" and had been receiving good faith many times, he then comes back and does the same things, causes more drama. Do you want it to be a never-ending loophole? See you again next time?

This thread is only for sockpuppeting? So IF that is proven false, we unban him and then make another thread about whether he is fit to remain in our community or not, and then ban him again when he is not? One step at a time? Interesting... As Madman97 had already pointed out, every single time drama like this happens, people start pointing knives up each other's throats. This is simply no longer a good thing, no user should be running around causing drama every few months. We should do it all in this thread. No need to make more threads to attract more drama.

With what Wulfharth was saying about Sajuuk asking people for help. I have been good with Sajuuk on chat, he talks to me sometimes about stuff in PMs, gives me opinion on things etc, I'd say I did enjoy talking to him. I'd label myself as neutral towards him. When he approached me on my talk page (which you could read there) after he was chat banned, he was being nice and asking me for help about the banning, when I brought up my points that I think he does deserve to be chat banned, look at how he immediately turned on me... He even attempted to make me look bad by saying I also do dumb stuff on chat (coloring text with staff links), sure I do dumb stuff but not inappropriate ones. Now that I'm reminded of these, I really see Madman97 and Wulfharth's recent points more clearly here.

Sajuuk, though had been helpful, simply is not fit to remain in the community for various reasons and various repeated offenses. (see Bluesonic1's post about her observations: her post last October 25)

We should all just move on as Timeoin and Madman97 has been saying. The point of this was only to contest the sockpuppet, not the entire ban. If this thread succeeded, his ban would be returned to the original one month sentence, or a bit higher, instead of a year.