The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2016 January 09


 * 21:06:24: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, if we have little to discuss, we can do maintance and stuff
 * 21:06:40: Cheatcodechamp: Although I do have a request for how the wiki handles the following year
 * 21:06:40: Timeoin: no, we do indeed have something
 * 21:06:47: Timeoin: the Comprehensive Article thingymabob :P
 * 21:06:49: KINMUNE: Hello there, Horatio Gates!
 * 21:06:56: Ottoman Hold: Hi Horatio
 * 21:06:56: RenzXVI: Hi
 * 21:07:00: Cheatcodechamp: Last year was a last of policy and stuff like that
 * 21:07:04: Horatio Gates: hey :D
 * 21:07:07: Knight of Camlorn: civ
 * 21:07:15: Knight of Camlorn: the fuck is your game
 * 21:07:25: RenzXVI: I sometimes cant attend moots but when I do wake up just for it, it's maintenance. :p
 * 21:07:27: Cheatcodechamp: This year I want to see all of us edit more, we need to keep improving ourselves if we want to get more activity
 * 21:07:29: CynicalEarth: Civ 5.
 * 21:07:33: CynicalEarth: Oh, you meant the user.
 * 21:08:13: Ottoman Hold: I hope to get started on ESO
 * 21:08:20: Cheatcodechamp: Now that I said that, Tim, what do we have to do for the new CA content?
 * 21:08:32: Timeoin: We had to work out how to vote for it
 * 21:08:37: Timeoin: what qualifies, etc :)
 * 21:08:49: Timeoin: (thats what Atvelonis was saying earlier in the week)
 * 21:08:52: Cheatcodechamp: Larger articles that are finished, but to small to be GA
 * 21:09:00: Ottoman Hold: ^ AS I thought
 * 21:09:12: Cheatcodechamp: Image, quote, referenced.
 * 21:09:21: Bronkiin: Me JJ and Atv had a plan re. voting and stuff
 * 21:09:27: Cheatcodechamp: Unless the article has no useable quote or image of course
 * 21:09:29: Bronkiin: but I'm brain dead, JJ is dead
 * 21:09:29: Timeoin: quote if REQUIRED ? :P
 * 21:09:35: Bronkiin: and Atv is absent
 * 21:09:37: Cheatcodechamp: when possible
 * 21:09:37: Timeoin: because, say, a book can have all the locations it appears
 * 21:09:47: Timeoin: but it wouldnt be necessary to have a quote to be comprehensive :)
 * 21:09:51: Timeoin: (or, even, an image :P)
 * 21:10:13: Cheatcodechamp: Like I said, when possible, it should have quotes and images, but not every article is that way
 * 21:10:15: Bronkiin: We shouldn't give something a CA just because it isn't a stub.
 * 21:10:24: Emperor Jarjarkine: Allooo
 * 21:10:31: Cheatcodechamp: But most articles fix that profile.
 * 21:10:44: Cheatcodechamp: And we should not be giving this out to every non stub article we have
 * 21:10:46: KINMUNE: Hello there, Dangerworld741!
 * 21:10:53: Bronkiin: Exactly, CCC
 * 21:11:14: Bronkiin: Right I'm a bit meh right now, gtg. Sorry I can't be of help
 * 21:11:15: Timeoin: which leads to the question - which qualifies and which doesnt :)
 * 21:11:29: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so we have a base of what we need, so lets flesh it out.
 * 21:11:32: Bronkiin: Atv can help with that in my absense lol
 * 21:11:34: Bronkiin: \o
 * 21:11:44: Emperor Jarjarkine: sorry i was away
 * 21:11:48: Emperor Jarjarkine: so, what are we talking about ?
 * 21:11:50: Cheatcodechamp: Lets break it down then, article size, should we have a minimum, and what should it be
 * 21:11:55: Cheatcodechamp: CA articles
 * 21:12:00: Cheatcodechamp: What the standard should be
 * 21:12:05: Emperor Jarjarkine: oh yeah article size
 * 21:12:16: Emperor Jarjarkine: to difine when it's a ca-fa-aga
 * 21:12:27: Emperor Jarjarkine: (facepalm) aga
 * 21:12:27: Cheatcodechamp: Hold on, let me see if I can find a decent article
 * 21:12:35: Ottoman Hold: Should we have a minmum? I though the point was not to have a certain onw
 * 21:12:43: Ottoman Hold: For CA
 * 21:12:43: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Falcar
 * 21:12:59: Cheatcodechamp: This article I think is to small for GA
 * 21:13:05: Timeoin: it is ?
 * 21:13:09: Ottoman Hold: ?
 * 21:13:10: Cheatcodechamp: It also lacks quotes and refrences
 * 21:13:10: Timeoin: it looks long enough, actually :)
 * 21:13:17: Cheatcodechamp: Pretend its to small then
 * 21:13:18: Ottoman Hold: True for those tho
 * 21:13:24: Timeoin: lol
 * 21:13:32: Timeoin: it still doesnt have a quote or references
 * 21:13:40: Cheatcodechamp: its a decent sized article, and if it had quotes and refs, it would fit the bill
 * 21:13:49: Timeoin: wait... back up a sec :)
 * 21:13:57: Timeoin: it doesnt need references does it?
 * 21:13:59: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/J%27skar
 * 21:14:06: Timeoin: Everything in that is in-game stuff
 * 21:14:17: Cheatcodechamp: This article is to small, has no quotes or refs, and makes me mad it fails so bad
 * 21:14:19: Timeoin: i.e. what happens in Oblivion stays in Oblivion ;)
 * 21:14:22: Ottoman Hold: Don't know if characters need references
 * 21:14:40: Cheatcodechamp: It needs refs.
 * 21:14:59: Cheatcodechamp: If info comes from notes, quotes, dialog, it needs to be sourced.
 * 21:15:10: Timeoin: Reference Everything :D
 * 21:15:16: Cheatcodechamp: You got it,
 * 21:15:23: Cheatcodechamp: otherwise its just our opinion
 * 21:15:38: Timeoin: Abibon-Gora
 * 21:15:41: Timeoin: what about that one?
 * 21:15:41: Cheatcodechamp: So, Falcar is large enough, that seconed article is crap
 * 21:15:53: Timeoin: (Daggerfall Region article)
 * 21:15:59: Cheatcodechamp: its that size we would need to talk about
 * 21:16:23: Cheatcodechamp: It looks full, Daggerfall has less lore and content to add, but its not a large article.
 * 21:16:30: Cheatcodechamp: Would that article fit the bill?
 * 21:16:45: Emperor Jarjarkine: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Abibon-Gora
 * 21:16:47: Emperor Jarjarkine: it's perfect
 * 21:16:48: Ottoman Hold: dunno
 * 21:16:56: Timeoin: I thought it would be good for CA status
 * 21:16:57: Emperor Jarjarkine: i'd say, when it reaches 3k octet, it should be a GA
 * 21:17:05: Ottoman Hold: seems ok
 * 21:17:15: Timeoin: its NEVER going to be GA status - it is too short of necessity
 * 21:17:23: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dagail
 * 21:17:31: Timeoin: (I mean, we could add a truckload of pointless words where none are needed :P)
 * 21:17:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: caps <_<
 * 21:17:45: Timeoin: ?
 * 21:17:52: Cheatcodechamp: I think this would be good, needs some work, but she was a GA before we improved our standards
 * 21:18:01: Cheatcodechamp: Good as in size
 * 21:18:04: Timeoin: lol @ the Trivia ;)
 * 21:18:08: Cheatcodechamp: About this size
 * 21:18:12: Cheatcodechamp: I said it needs work
 * 21:18:17: Timeoin: Aaaaah .... so thats why Camoran Usurper isnt GA anymore lol
 * 21:18:21: Timeoin: that makes sense now :D
 * 21:18:23: Ottoman Hold: It does
 * 21:18:46: Timeoin: but I think this one shouldnt be a Comprehensive Article
 * 21:19:08: Cheatcodechamp: Upspure or Dagail?
 * 21:19:13: Timeoin: because ... CA shouldnt be a precursor to a GA status of article, at least how I see it
 * 21:19:14: Timeoin: Dagail
 * 21:19:19: Ottoman Hold: Usurper definately can be one
 * 21:19:26: Timeoin: I know :P
 * 21:19:28: Cheatcodechamp: I said it needs work, I never finished
 * 21:19:31: Timeoin: I wrote it aaaages ago ;)
 * 21:19:55: Cheatcodechamp: Dagail needs quotes and trivia, but other then that its size is decent
 * 21:20:10: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph!
 * 21:20:14: Timeoin: Idk if you agree with me or not ... but yeah, I wouldnt put THAT one as CA (unless others want too)
 * 21:20:19: Ottoman Hold: Hi Ralvz, its moot time
 * 21:20:20: Timeoin: hey Ralvz :)
 * 21:20:30: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Hello. O/
 * 21:20:30: Cheatcodechamp: Also, back to this article
 * 21:20:31: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/J%27skar
 * 21:20:35: Cheatcodechamp: Its not even done yet
 * 21:20:40: Ottoman Hold: Why is that in discussion
 * 21:20:41: Cheatcodechamp: Its missing content
 * 21:20:44: Ottoman Hold: look at it xd
 * 21:21:07: Cheatcodechamp: I remind you all that unfinished Oblivion articles grinds my gears
 * 21:21:08: Timeoin: all right, ill fix it ;)
 * 21:21:22: Cheatcodechamp: While you are at it, we have 2000 more like it
 * 21:21:29: Timeoin: oh wait, it says it in Interactions :P
 * 21:21:35: Timeoin: Blame Mbjones XD
 * 21:21:54: Cheatcodechamp: But back to size, what is the minimum size?
 * 21:22:03: Timeoin: He told me I was to quote "leave the oblivion articles the hell alone" ;)
 * 21:22:11: Timeoin: as a condition of the merge :D
 * 21:22:12: Ottoman Hold: 500? idk
 * 21:22:24: Cheatcodechamp: Well, they suck
 * 21:22:30: Cheatcodechamp: Really bad
 * 21:22:32: Emperor Jarjarkine: Usurper is kind of big for a ca
 * 21:22:54: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dagail is about the size I think they should be, not that that article should be one at this time
 * 21:23:07: Cheatcodechamp: Falcar pending on size may be a GA
 * 21:23:13: Emperor Jarjarkine: daga is fine for ca
 * 21:23:29: Cheatcodechamp: She needs work, I will finish her after the moot
 * 21:23:32: Timeoin: I didnt think Usurper was CA
 * 21:24:00: Cheatcodechamp: Right now, none are, but it is a good size, and if its to small for GA, why would it not be CA?
 * 21:24:06: KINMUNE: Hello there, Dragoknight1017!
 * 21:24:09: Dragoknight1017: Hello
 * 21:24:13: Ottoman Hold: Drago, hiits moot
 * 21:24:15: Cheatcodechamp: I thought CA was for great articles that where basicly to small
 * 21:24:34: Timeoin: Usurper = Good Article status, is why XD
 * 21:24:36: Ottoman Hold: Tim meant it is not on yet
 * 21:24:45: Timeoin: not one YET
 * 21:24:59: Timeoin: (it fell through the cracks when we redid the qualifications for GA statuses)
 * 21:25:05: Dragoknight1017: What quest do you need the sacrificial blade for
 * 21:25:06: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah you are right cheaty
 * 21:25:42: Ottoman Hold: Drago, look on the page
 * 21:25:58: Dragoknight1017: Sorry
 * 21:26:12: Timeoin: (Dammit, the author would like to point out it was one of the very first pages that was properly fixed up on the damn site ;)
 * 21:26:15: Dragoknight1017: Does anyone play the xbox version
 * 21:26:50: Cheatcodechamp: Most of us, but we are in a Project:Moot right now
 * 21:26:59: Cheatcodechamp: Talking wiki maintance and policy
 * 21:27:17: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so do we have an agreement on size minimum?
 * 21:27:36: Cheatcodechamp: roughly four paragraphs?
 * 21:28:05: Timeoin: I actually disagree on that :)
 * 21:28:19: Cheatcodechamp: ok, lets start with that
 * 21:28:19: Ottoman Hold: sincere comments with a smile xd
 * 21:28:31: Timeoin: because some articles are completely done (comprehensively) without needing that much :)
 * 21:28:34: Cheatcodechamp: Snarky reply with lol at end lol
 * 21:28:57: Timeoin: i.e. if everything CAN be stated completely in less, thats fine :)
 * 21:29:06: Timeoin: (sometimes it can be)
 * 21:29:08: Cheatcodechamp: But do we want every article to be a CA?
 * 21:29:10: Timeoin: not often ... but sometimes
 * 21:29:14: KINMUNE: Hello there, Dudethegamer!
 * 21:29:21: Timeoin: Me personally? Absolutely :D
 * 21:29:32: Dudethegamer: Good morning
 * 21:29:40: Timeoin: I know - but I'm allowed to have my own opinion ;)
 * 21:29:52: Cheatcodechamp: And I am allowed to disagree
 * 21:29:54: Emperor Jarjarkine: nahh
 * 21:29:58: Emperor Jarjarkine: look, CA =
 * 21:30:09: Dragoknight1017: ohhhhhh ok
 * 21:30:11: Cheatcodechamp: Who here things all articles should potentially end up being CA?
 * 21:30:14: Timeoin: personally, I have no qualms with having every single article on the wiki, PROVIDING that every article is completely written, and meets the criteria :)
 * 21:30:17: Ottoman Hold: I think we want to make CAs a way you want every article to be (and eventually all GAz too)
 * 21:30:24: Emperor Jarjarkine: Well written articles, that if were bigger, could be GA but, cannot become ga for few reasons
 * 21:31:01: Ottoman Hold: My oppinion is pretty much Jarjar's
 * 21:31:05: Timeoin: See ... that's where we disagree - to me, the CA articles are for the articles that wont ever meet the length requirements
 * 21:31:07: Cheatcodechamp: Better, let smaller articles. Im not marking books or those one sentance articles as CA
 * 21:31:22: Cheatcodechamp: *yet smaller
 * 21:31:27: Timeoin: I think books should be... but ONLY if they have EVERYTHING
 * 21:31:31: Emperor Jarjarkine: well tim,some we can do both ya know ?
 * 21:31:34: Timeoin: i.e. EVERY. SINGLE. LOCATION :P
 * 21:31:39: Ottoman Hold: If more content was available, then they would be GA, but the CA would be at full
 * 21:31:45: Emperor Jarjarkine: as long as they are well done, i dont know how to explain
 * 21:32:15: Timeoin: so the Pilgrim's Path? yeah, it qualifies, as long as it has all 300 locations listed, and where to find them
 * 21:32:20: Timeoin: otherwise - nope :P
 * 21:32:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: the what ?
 * 21:32:37: Ottoman Hold: CA=shorter GA that is as large it can be, as a start I think
 * 21:32:39: Cheatcodechamp: Good solid articles, that have decent size. Im not saying a lot of articles cant be CA, we should have a lot of CA articles, but we should not just mark 90% of the wiki with them
 * 21:32:50: Emperor Jarjarkine: true true
 * 21:32:50: Timeoin: aaah, okay :D
 * 21:32:53: Emperor Jarjarkine: i agree with cheaty
 * 21:33:04: Ottoman Hold: true
 * 21:33:09: Timeoin: I getcha :)
 * 21:33:14: Timeoin: hey Dudethegamer
 * 21:33:16: Ottoman Hold: wb
 * 21:33:28: Dudethegamer: Good morning...
 * 21:33:30: Ottoman Hold: we want them to eventually all meet that status
 * 21:33:38: Cheatcodechamp: Most articles can meet the standard, minus a few, like ones you find dead so have little to add
 * 21:34:01: Cheatcodechamp: Most quest, save those minor ones like "report to dude"
 * 21:34:15: Cheatcodechamp: Most locations save for....you get my point now right?
 * 21:34:19: Timeoin: agreed :)
 * 21:34:41: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, but they MUST be done, all possible info there can be added
 * 21:34:45: Ottoman Hold: Maybe that's a good thing, because the ones that don't qualify need to get moving
 * 21:34:49: Cheatcodechamp: But that are to small to be GA+
 * 21:35:03: Timeoin: (theres also a lot of location articles that could be GA status, but wont for certain articles
 * 21:35:05: Dudethegamer: What quests, for which games? I U don't mind me asking
 * 21:35:16: Timeoin: because they appear in multiple games, so its split :D
 * 21:35:30: Dudethegamer: Ok
 * 21:35:49: Cheatcodechamp: There are quest that all they are are you talking once to a dude, those are to small, and could never be any article of importance
 * 21:35:49: Timeoin: dudethegamer - quests such as To Dawnmead
 * 21:36:09: Cheatcodechamp: That is a small article tim, has nothing in it :D
 * 21:36:10: Timeoin: that shouldnt be a "Comprehensive Article" - because there's very little to the quest itself :)
 * 21:36:16: Emperor Jarjarkine: uh, cheaaty
 * 21:36:18: Timeoin: thats what i meant :D
 * 21:36:21: Dudethegamer: Ok then
 * 21:36:23: Emperor Jarjarkine: there's something I dont quite understand
 * 21:36:32: Timeoin: they're waaaay to small to ever be a Comprehensive Article.
 * 21:36:32: Cheatcodechamp: Links wrong tim
 * 21:36:38: Cheatcodechamp: Jarjar?
 * 21:36:59: Timeoin: To Dawnbreak then ;)
 * 21:37:01: Dudethegamer: Lol
 * 21:37:16: KINMUNE: Hello there, Shockstorm!
 * 21:37:27: Ottoman Hold: Hi Shock, a bit late
 * 21:37:27: Timeoin: oh cr*p .... ruuuuun
 * 21:37:34: Emperor Jarjarkine: For the FAs, we can nominate one once in a while ?
 * 21:37:35: Timeoin: Shock ... .just agree with everything :P
 * 21:37:50: Timeoin: i know it isnt complete :D
 * 21:37:54: Dudethegamer: Hi panda
 * 21:38:01: Cheatcodechamp: FA are GA that have not been featured yet, they should be the very best articles we have
 * 21:38:02: Timeoin: Im saying ... those ones wont EVER be a "comprehensive" article :P
 * 21:38:14: Timeoin: unless you really think we should put every flower on the way to that location
 * 21:38:26: Cheatcodechamp: GA are larger articles that meet a higer standard, have more info and are more interesting articles as a whole
 * 21:38:59: Cheatcodechamp: CA are finished articles, of a medium size, that contain all info relating to that content.
 * 21:39:04: Emperor Jarjarkine: hmm
 * 21:39:08: Cheatcodechamp: Are are all in agreement to this?
 * 21:39:18: Emperor Jarjarkine: and where and when are we showcasing the fa/ca/ga ?
 * 21:39:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: We could try to put at least links to the latest promoted articles
 * 21:39:44: Cheatcodechamp: FA has its own page, GA may need once, do we need once for CA besides the category?
 * 21:40:08: Cheatcodechamp: We can link new CA articles to FB, they are finished, so they are worth sharing
 * 21:40:14: Timeoin: Yes, I think so :)
 * 21:40:30: Timeoin: Like a page explaining what they are, with a link to the category
 * 21:40:56: Timeoin: aaaand ... then once its done, we can nominate the page itself for CA status ;)
 * 21:41:08: KINMUNE: Hello there, Theblackmafg!
 * 21:41:11: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Koromo!
 * 21:41:12: Theblackmafg: hello all
 * 21:41:29: Ottoman Hold: Hi you two, its moot right now
 * 21:41:40: Emperor Jarjarkine: It seems that more users are participating in the votes
 * 21:41:41: The Koromo: hi
 * 21:41:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Hi.
 * 21:41:48: Dudethegamer: Hi theblackfg and The Kokomo
 * 21:41:56: Emperor Jarjarkine: do we still need a council since it'S starting to get more popular ?
 * 21:42:04: Bronkiin: It's not more popular
 * 21:42:11: Timeoin: Was just about to say - people should vote :)
 * 21:42:12: Timeoin: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Good_Article_Nominations#Good_article_nominations
 * 21:42:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Only about 6 people actually give a fuck about the moot
 * 21:42:25: Emperor Jarjarkine: hehehehe shocky :3
 * 21:42:29: ShawnCognitionCP: The rest just come and PM, or do other things until it isover.
 * 21:42:30: Timeoin: (support)
 * 21:42:36: ShawnCognitionCP: is over*
 * 21:42:37: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 21:42:45: Ottoman Hold: I voted for all that stuff
 * 21:42:45: Bronkiin: Same are voting. As well as those pressganged into it in chat.
 * 21:42:56: Emperor Jarjarkine: I'm not talking about the moot shawn
 * 21:43:10: Theblackmafg: KINMUNE cool pic on facebook
 * 21:43:16: ShawnCognitionCP: I have a GA nomination.
 * 21:43:18: ShawnCognitionCP: My profile.
 * 21:43:32: Cheatcodechamp: That was another matter talked about last week, few people voting. I recall somebody saying we should just have the staff inspect the articles and approve them
 * 21:43:39: Cheatcodechamp: I oppose your articles
 * 21:43:44: Cheatcodechamp: *profile
 * 21:43:46: Bronkiin: ^
 * 21:43:54: Bronkiin: We do have an idea CCC
 * 21:43:56: Ottoman Hold: I vote on them, so does TCoT sometimes
 * 21:44:05: Bronkiin: Idk if Atv has told you
 * 21:44:08: Bronkiin: I can't
 * 21:44:09: Timeoin: Hmm ... I'd prefer not to do that, if its at all possible
 * 21:44:18: Timeoin: Bronkiin - you cant vote?
 * 21:44:25: Bronkiin: We should discuss this when Atv is here
 * 21:44:37: Cheatcodechamp: I am unsure about no votes, but lets finish this topic before moving on
 * 21:44:54: Ottoman Hold: BAck to the CA status stuff...
 * 21:45:00: Cheatcodechamp: I have said sevreal times what a CA should be, do any of you object to it?
 * 21:45:09: Ottoman Hold: No (support)
 * 21:45:13: Bronkiin: I wasn't here for your definition.
 * 21:45:15: Emperor Jarjarkine: No
 * 21:45:17: Ottoman Hold: (I support it)
 * 21:45:32: Emperor Jarjarkine: But, I dont want this admin inspect thing
 * 21:45:33: Cheatcodechamp: Fuller articles, that contain all info possible, but are to small for GA
 * 21:45:44: Bronkiin: That's like
 * 21:45:49: Bronkiin: *week
 * 21:45:55: Cheatcodechamp: Most, but not all articles could be potential CA articles.
 * 21:46:00: Emperor Jarjarkine: We ain't above any other users, everyone should vote
 * 21:46:04: Timeoin: ^ this
 * 21:46:12: Bronkiin: JJ
 * 21:46:18: Bronkiin: We don't vote for stubs\
 * 21:46:21: Timeoin: Thats whats I've been saying ever since I woke up one day as the founder ;)
 * 21:46:31: Timeoin: and lo, I was lonely ;)
 * 21:46:34: Bronkiin: It's an objective thing, whether an article is good enough.
 * 21:46:43: Bronkiin: We don't vote for stubs, why vote for CA?
 * 21:46:45: Dudethegamer: Yeah Jarjarkine's right
 * 21:46:48: Bronkiin: It's ridiculous.
 * 21:46:59: Emperor Jarjarkine: wait, i dont understand at all what you are talking about bronk
 * 21:47:00: Cheatcodechamp: I can see the point of not voteing, if its a set standard, then the voting is a void matter, and its even less needed if nobody votes.
 * 21:47:04: Shockstorm: thats cuz youre Australian Tim (ie one of the untouchables)
 * 21:47:09: Ottoman Hold: anyone can know that
 * 21:47:10: Bronkiin: So is CA
 * 21:47:10: Cheatcodechamp: But should we remove voting if few people take part?
 * 21:47:19: Bronkiin: Almost none take part anyway.
 * 21:47:24: Bronkiin: BUt we shouldn't need a vote.
 * 21:47:30: Ottoman Hold: But people do though
 * 21:47:32: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah, we get alot of votes recently oy
 * 21:47:39: Bronkiin: No we haven't its the same people
 * 21:47:40: Emperor Jarjarkine: I think it's growing
 * 21:47:46: Ottoman Hold: So what
 * 21:47:48: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah well then, they are just more active
 * 21:47:49: Bronkiin: or those who Atv has forced to vote.
 * 21:47:53: Ottoman Hold: We still can vote
 * 21:47:55: Emperor Jarjarkine: or me :3
 * 21:47:56: Cheatcodechamp: I think we should keep the voting, and that this matter needs more voices then the moot can provide
 * 21:48:06: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah that's a good idea cheat
 * 21:48:09: Ottoman Hold: ^
 * 21:48:10: Cheatcodechamp: Removing voting should be a community concensus
 * 21:48:20: Timeoin: ^ This
 * 21:48:35: Bronkiin: I think we should introduce votes for stubs and incomplete articles.
 * 21:48:44: Ottoman Hold: I see no need
 * 21:48:51: Bronkiin: (Facepalm)
 * 21:48:56: Bronkiin: There is no need.
 * 21:49:04: Bronkiin: Just as there is no need to vote for the opposite.
 * 21:49:14: Ottoman Hold: incorrect.
 * 21:49:20: Bronkiin: ^ Thanks
 * 21:49:21: Emperor Jarjarkine: I dont understand your point bronkiin. CA is different than stubs and incomplete article
 * 21:49:40: Ottoman Hold: It is the community deciding what articles are some of the best, or for CAs at least better
 * 21:49:54: Ottoman Hold: than normal
 * 21:49:57: Bronkiin: Why should the community decide something that is objective?
 * 21:49:58: Cheatcodechamp: I see your point Bron, I really do, but I am not in favor of removing voting and giving power to admins. While it has perks, are we prepaired to leave that to a small group of people to handle
 * 21:50:10: Bronkiin: We had an alternative CCC^
 * 21:50:16: Bronkiin: Which JJ came up with
 * 21:50:21: Emperor Jarjarkine: and again, i dont like the let the admins decide
 * 21:50:23: Bronkiin: and seems to have randomly abandoned.
 * 21:50:29: Timeoin: I dont like the admins decide thing
 * 21:50:37: Bronkiin: THere is no admins decide thing
 * 21:50:39: Emperor Jarjarkine: me neither young tim, me neither
 * 21:50:40: Timeoin: that was what caused the rift that we had this time last year :\
 * 21:50:44: Bronkiin: Where has this come from ffs?
 * 21:50:49: Bronkiin: JJ like
 * 21:50:59: Bronkiin: have you forgotten everything we discussed mid week?
 * 21:51:03: Emperor Jarjarkine: And I dont want sajuuk trying to demote all of us ;)
 * 21:51:14: Emperor Jarjarkine: the council ?
 * 21:51:19: Bronkiin: Yes
 * 21:51:22: Emperor Jarjarkine: nah i didn't
 * 21:51:36: Bronkiin: Then why are you forsaking the idea without discussion?
 * 21:51:47: Ottoman Hold: No he's not
 * 21:51:58: Bronkiin: He is, OH. How would you know if you weren't there for it?
 * 21:52:18: Bronkiin: Anyway, I'm wasting your time, lol
 * 21:52:25: Bronkiin: This isn't the current agenda.
 * 21:52:27: Shockstorm: he's not coming back, and there's much less drama than before. so that's not a problem
 * 21:52:47: Bronkiin: I approve of CCC's defininiton of CA (+)
 * 21:53:08: Timeoin: I approve of CCC (support)
 * 21:53:10: Ottoman Hold: As do I (support)
 * 21:53:27: Cheatcodechamp: me to (+)
 * 21:53:36: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, thats offcial
 * 21:53:51: Cheatcodechamp: And who will write the CC for the voting matter?
 * 21:54:04: Bronkiin: We don't have a proposal yet.
 * 21:54:15: Bronkiin: We can't make a CT for something not formulated.
 * 21:54:29: Bronkiin: Unless JJ isn't actually totally abandoning his idea?
 * 21:54:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: sorry, my father wanted me for something (facepalm)
 * 21:54:37: Emperor Jarjarkine: what did I miss ?
 * 21:54:44: Bronkiin: Read above.
 * 21:54:50: Ottoman Hold: Bron, why did you bring it up then
 * 21:54:56: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
 * 21:55:02: Ottoman Hold: Hi Star, moot
 * 21:55:03: Dudethegamer: Hi Star O.
 * 21:55:26: Bronkiin: That question has no relevance to anything, OH.
 * 21:55:40: Bronkiin: PM if you have something to say
 * 21:55:40: Ottoman Hold: It does
 * 21:55:42: Dudethegamer: Wait it is a moot? (Facepalm)
 * 21:55:55: Ottoman Hold: you are supposed to bring up complete ideas in the moot, just sayin
 * 21:55:57: Starkiller131: Ottoman when timeoin's here I know it's a moot.
 * 21:56:07: Ottoman Hold: true Star xd
 * 21:56:08: Bronkiin: OH, I haven't brought anything up.
 * 21:56:15: Bronkiin: Stop being ridiculous, lol
 * 21:56:20: Emperor Jarjarkine: Oy oy mina, what we're talking about is that with bronk and atve, we talked about a council idea
 * 21:56:21: Timeoin: lol
 * 21:56:22: Bronkiin: PM as I said.
 * 21:56:28: Timeoin: i only go here every 2 weeks though ;)
 * 21:57:20: Ottoman Hold: No need Bron
 * 21:57:21: RenzXVI: This moot is fun. XD
 * 21:57:25: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so what is this council?
 * 21:57:49: Ottoman Hold: ...
 * 21:58:07: Emperor Jarjarkine: a group to help the maintenance of the articles
 * 21:58:17: Emperor Jarjarkine: but, i gtg do something annoying, bronk, could you continue please ?
 * 21:58:20: Cheatcodechamp: We should ALL help with that
 * 21:58:22: Bronkiin: I can't
 * 21:58:27: Bronkiin: ffs JJ lol
 * 21:58:46: Bronkiin: It's not that CCC
 * 21:58:52: Cheatcodechamp: It seems a lot of us do.
 * 21:58:53: Bronkiin: Just don't worry about it.
 * 21:59:13: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, then we need an explanation at some point so I feel I am on the same page
 * 21:59:30: Bronkiin: Just forget about it for now.
 * 21:59:34: Cheatcodechamp: As you say
 * 21:59:37: Bronkiin: ye
 * 22:00:21: Bronkiin: None from me.
 * 22:00:29: Emperor Jarjarkine: back !
 * 22:00:36: Emperor Jarjarkine: Ouf o0
 * 22:00:44: Emperor Jarjarkine: Okay so, can I explain that council ?
 * 22:00:54: Bronkiin: JJ, do you even know what it is?
 * 22:01:01: Bronkiin: It's nothing to do with maintenance.
 * 22:01:13: Bronkiin: You should have raised it earlier
 * 22:01:18: Bronkiin: when we were talking about voting.
 * 22:01:20: Emperor Jarjarkine: Well, if we're talking about the same thing, for the FA/CA/GA
 * 22:01:55: Emperor Jarjarkine: but okay then, we'll talk about it next week. There's something cheat, i'm wondering about
 * 22:02:11: Emperor Jarjarkine: for the votes, when there's 5 support 0 oppose, it passes ?
 * 22:02:32: Cheatcodechamp: Yes
 * 22:02:44: Emperor Jarjarkine: okok
 * 22:02:45: Cheatcodechamp: No oppoing votes, it holds the margin
 * 22:02:58: Emperor Jarjarkine: okok
 * 22:03:23: Ottoman Hold: ...
 * 22:03:26: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, I think we covered the CA matter well
 * 22:03:38: Cheatcodechamp: Unless we want me to talk about how we all need to edit more...
 * 22:03:45: Cheatcodechamp: I can give you all homework?
 * 22:04:21: Bronkiin: I need to edit more?
 * 22:04:27: Cheatcodechamp: That sounds fun, You all need to improve 3 Oblivion NPC articles by next moot.
 * 22:04:33: Ottoman Hold: xd
 * 22:04:39: Cheatcodechamp: as in remove their stub status
 * 22:04:42: Bronkiin: No thanks.
 * 22:04:52: Cheatcodechamp: Other then that, are we all ok with ending the moot.
 * 22:04:59: Ottoman Hold: I have enough homework already xd
 * 22:05:16: Cheatcodechamp: You cant save no thanks to homework! Just edit the Oblivion articles.
 * 22:05:27: Ottoman Hold: We shall see...
 * 22:05:41: Bronkiin: Oh it's articles...
 * 22:05:46: Bronkiin: *OH
 * 22:05:54: Bronkiin: Bloody hell
 * 22:05:56: Bronkiin: I can't English
 * 22:05:59: Bronkiin: Ignore me.
 * 22:07:09: Ottoman Hold: On the voting thing, someone needs to finalize the idea (I say Bron :P), since this is the second moot it was brought up but not finished lol
 * 22:07:22: Bronkiin: Yeh^
 * 22:07:33: Bronkiin: We could have finished it if Atv was here
 * 22:07:45: Ottoman Hold: gah, curse you Atvelonis! :P
 * 22:07:45: Bronkiin: I'm ill, and JJ's just... well idk what's wrong with him
 * 22:07:54: Ottoman Hold: He's JJ
 * 22:07:56: Bronkiin: but we did have an alternative.
 * 22:08:09: Dudethegamer: I haven't voted yet, but I don't really care about stuff like this though
 * 22:08:17: Bronkiin: Because you don't edit.
 * 22:08:39: Dudethegamer: I do edit but not often
 * 22:08:42: Bronkiin: CCC, end the Moot before I do something to get me banned or something xd I'm losing control.
 * 22:08:50: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, its over
 * 22:08:55: Cheatcodechamp: I thought it was already
 * 22:09:00: Bronkiin: Oh phew
 * 22:09:05: Bronkiin: Normally you do a dramatic
 * 22:09:08: Bronkiin: "I close this Moot"
 * 22:09:11: Bronkiin: thingy
 * 22:09:15: Bronkiin: I was waiting for that lol
 * 22:09:20: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, "I hearby end this here moot"