Talk:Attributes/Archive 1

"Govern"
So, skills helps the attribute that governs them when leveling up. But how does the attribute affects the skill they govern? The way the article is written now, I don't see how higher Speed helps with Acrobatics, Light Armor, or Athletics, so I don't see the motivation to increase the Speed attribute (ie, why not just leave Speed alone and develope the 3 skills to 100?).


 * That's a good question, though for Speed increasing it would obviously increase your own movement Speed. For the other skills, increasing Strength, for example, probably has an impact on how much damage you do with Blunt, Blade, and Hand to Hand. I'm not sure if that applies to other attributes/skills as well. 18:09, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

Each of the atrributes helps the skills it governs, but not always directly. Example: Willpower gives faster Magicka regeneration to help with the magic arts it governs; Endurance gives more health and fatigue so the characters with heavy armor can take even more damage; Agility gives you more damage with bows; Speed makes you move faster (just like Athletics does) and jump further (because you can move faster before you hit the ground) etc. --Doddy 03:23, 21 April 2006 (CDT)


 * I guess a follow up question is, when does an attribute ever directly affect skills they govern? I think of Strengh as increasing damage, period. I presume damage bonus from Strength and from Blade are completely independent, at least I haven't seen anything that suggested otherwise (ie, strength will increase damage of a sword independent of Blade level, and Blade will increase damage of a sword independent of Strength level). I guess I'm just expecting a much stronger and dominating relationship from Attribute to Skills because of the word "govern", and not seeing anything... -PanSola 17:14, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

Proposed change ideas - PS: I have no idea how to get rid of the Contents list :)
Here's my train of thought on where the attribute list should be. The colors should be changed to be consistent with the skill list, as a standard should be set.

{| width="100%" style="background: transparent;"
 * width="33%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|
 * width="33%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|

Strength
Dependant Skills:
 * Blade
 * Blunt
 * Hand-to-Hand


 * width="33%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|

Endurance
Dependant Skills:
 * Armorer
 * Block
 * Heavy Armor


 * width="33%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|

Speed
Dependant Skills:
 * Acrobatics
 * Athletics
 * Light Armor
 * }

{| width="100%" style="background: transparent;"
 * width="33%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|
 * width="33%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|

Willpower
Dependant Skills:
 * Alteration
 * Destruction
 * Restoration


 * width="33%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|

Intelligence
Dependant Skills:
 * Alchemy
 * Conjuration
 * Mysticism


 * width="33%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|

Personality
Dependant Skills: Mercantile
 * Illusion
 * Speechcraft
 * }

{| width="100%" style="background: transparent;"
 * width="33%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #DEFFB3;"|
 * width="33%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #DEFFB3;"|

Agility

 * Security
 * Sneak
 * Marksman


 * width="33%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #a0a0ff; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #DEFFB3;"|

Luck
No Dependant Skills
 * }

Here's my take, with proper colors. And also, to remove Table of Contents, use in the article. --Wes R 10:52, 20 April 2006(CDT)

Edited... --Wes R 02:04, 21 April 2006 (CDT)

{| width="100%" style="background: transparent;"
 * width="25%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #FFCC00; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|
 * width="25%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #FFCC00; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|

Strength

 * Blade
 * Blunt
 * Hand-to-Hand


 * width="25%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #FFCC00; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|

Endurance

 * Armorer
 * Block
 * Heavy Armor


 * width="25%" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #FFCC00; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|

Speed

 * Acrobatics
 * Athletics
 * Light Armor


 * width="25%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #FFCC00; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #FFEC80;"|

Agility

 * Security
 * Sneak
 * Marksman
 * }

{| width="100%" style="background: transparent;"
 * width="25%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #88BBFF; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|
 * width="25%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #88BBFF; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|

Willpower

 * Alteration
 * Destruction
 * Restoration


 * width="25%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #88BBFF; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|

Intelligence

 * Alchemy
 * Conjuration
 * Mysticism


 * width="25%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #88BBFF; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|

Personality

 * Illusion
 * Mercantile
 * Speechcraft


 * width="25%" valign="top" style="border: 1px solid #88BBFF; padding: .5em 1em; margin: 1em; background-color: #B8E2FF;"|

Luck
No Dependant Skills
 * }