Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-72.74.78.209-20141019230536/@comment-17114085-20141119133954

Hank.j.Wimbleton wrote: Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

1. They can't live inside for their own safety, Brunwulf confirms this if he becomes the new Jarl of Windhelm. But like I said they can go inside the city, both Shahvee and Scouts-Many-Marshes can be found inside Windhelm during certain occasions.

2. I remember all the quests in Windhelm and there isn't one like you are describing. I even double checked, the only fetch quests in the city are from Oengul (a Nord), Shahvee (an Argonian) and Torbjorn (also a Nord). You might be talking about the quest in which Revyn Sadri (dunmer merchant) wants you to return the stolen ring back to Viola. If that isn't what you mean then I have no idea what you are talking about.

3. You do understand that there is a Civil War going on right? It may not seem like it in-game but the two factions are fighting each other brutally and pretty constantly. They aren't going to just drop everything, for fear the other faction would take advantage of the situation and attack them while they are busy with the dragons. Sure from an outside standpoint both Tullius and Ulfric are being stupid by not seeing the bigger threat but to them they can't trust the other faction to uphold a truce while they deal with the dragons. Only with the Greybeards and the Dragonborn intervening do they get assurance that the truce will not be broken by either of the factions when they let their guard down to fight the dragons. 1. still ulfric could take care of the problem by telling his guards to stop harassing the others. and when you say "for there own good".....its thier choice

2. i meant brunwulfs quest where you kill the bandits ...my bad

3. yes i get that theres a Civil war. but like i said previously (and as you confirmed)  there is a bigger threat outsideand i get if they didnt get along so smooth but...the fact that ulfric just Demands (not just after a while ) He want Malkarth is just...immature. I mean if he said that he wishes to stop the threat and he finds a  good dimplomatic idea instade of acting like a spoiled child  I would have understand ( also i thougth it was annoying how the quest takes solong and how boring it was) 1. The opinion of both rulers of the city, which are the most important people in the city, is that the Argonians need to live outside for their own protection. It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks if the rulers believe something and make the choice to act on that belief. If the Argonians disagree and think they don't need to live outside for their own protection then that is kind of a "tough shit" situation.

2. Ah, the infamous 'Nord Villages' speech. As I've said multiple times what he is saying makes no sense. First of all, every single settlement (outside the Orc Strongholds that aren't even considered to be part of Skyrim's territory) in Skyrim is a Nord Village. The only one that I can think of that isn't a Nord Village is Karthwasten, but that is in the Reach and in Imperial territory. Outside of that I can't think of one settlement that fits into the 'Non-Nord Village' category. Secondly there is a big difference between a whole Village and a few refugees or a caravan or a group of people. If you are busy fighting a Civil War with much less resources and manpower than your enemy then you have to prioritize, and a Village has a lot more people (and thus is of higher priority) than a group of people (be if a group of Argonians, a Khajiit caravan or a few Dunmer refugees). Also I'd like to point out there is a wreck of a Khajiit Caravan a little ways from Falkreath, and yet the Jarl of the city did nothing about it. Siddgeir being an Imperial Supporter and the wreck being there since the beginning of the game we can conclude that not caring about Khajiit Caravans is a universal Nord thing, I mean they aren't allowed inside any city in Skyrim, no matter who they belong to, Imperials or Stormcloaks.

3. You are aware that Ulfric asking for Markarth is dependent on your game. In my game, for example, I had already started the Civil War quests and was helping the Stormcloaks. I did the Season Unending quest and in it Tullius demanded Riften at the start of the meeting. Depending on who you support prior to the quest it is either Ulfric or Tullius that demands lands or payment/compensation for the massacre at that one city (I forget the name). As for either of them demanding territories or other things instead of just 'having a good diplomatic idea' it is because they both know it is a temporary truce, they will begin fighting immediately after Alduin is dealt with. They don't want diplomacy, they want to finish the war as the victor.