User talk:SuperSajuuk/Archive 3

Help Request
Hi Sajuuk. Since you know how wikia works, I was wondering if you could help me get my wiki set up. I created it and couldn't do anything with it because I don't know the first thing about coding. If you can help me get most of the "behind the scenes" work done I will be most grateful. TheMindOfMadness (talk) 03:58, April 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * I get the idea of the templates but how do I put them in articles.  Could you teach me how to code so I can manage my wiki?  TheMindOfMadness (talk) 17:09, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Imagequality template
Hi Sajuuk, I wanted to let you know there are some problems with the Imagequality abuse filter that was set up the other day. I was helping someone upload an image just now, and when they tried to put it on the article (which had the template on it), they were unable to, as it thought they were adding the template. This was solved by removing the template, publishing, then adding the image, but it is still a hassle, so if you could do something about this that would be nice (also would like to point out that the editor only thought to upload the image because the template was on the article, so while it's supposed to be used on the files themselves, it's more helpful to have them on the article in my experience). —Atvelonis (talk) 05:48, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Tamriel in Minecraft
I don't know what other games you play, but if you play Minecraft you should check this out. If you don't play Minecraft that's fine. Do you know of any users who do? TheMindOfMadness (talk) 17:04, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Temporary Block
Just letting you know - I have given you a temporary ban on your account. The reason for this was unauthorised bot use on your account. This is done because the bot was not approved for use yet. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 20:14, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * This block is bogus and violates no policies anywhere here or across Wikia. Whoever advised you is clearly misinformed, because I just spoke to a Wikia Staff member who tells me that there was nothing wrong with my use of AutoWikiBrowser, which is a program to do edits. They were ALL done by me, using a program that was logged into my main account. That is not "unauthorised" bot use and doesn't even constitute using a bot at all. Before blocking people (and non-flagged bots) for no reason, be aware of what you are doing, because you don't actually know what you have blocked me for. --Sajuuk talk 20:41, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * It violates are username policy, which you can see | here. This was tge reason for this warning ban. As to why - there is strong evidence to suggest the use of an AWB bot Under your name. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 21:05, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, but do you even know what AutoWikiBrowser is? It is a standalone program which you log into a user account to make edits from. I logged into THIS ACCOUNT to make the edits, that does NOT violate the policy in question whatsoever, you can even confirm this by actually looking at my contributions (with the edit summary "link fix").
 * Or are we going to simply victimise any user who just happens to make a lot of edits at once, even manually or with a helpful user tool?
 * I spoke to Flightmare and TWO other Wikia Staff, who contradict your claims completely: Flightmare, in particular, had no issue with my use of AWB on myself because it doesn't violate any policy.
 * Wikia Staff said that, as long as I didn't use it to vandalise or disrupt the wiki, it breaks no policy, either Wikia wide, nor even this nonsensical policy on the wiki itself.
 * To cover myself, I also contacted various other members on Community Central, who also agreed that this block makes no sense, because MANY users use AWB on themselves. It isn't a crime and doesn't break actual policies.
 * The AWB program was NOT used on SajuukBot (which you can actually see by the fact SajuukBot has 0 edits), so this whole block is utter nonsense and based on nothing. --Sajuuk talk 21:07, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Sajuuk on this, I don't see why he should be banned for this or how this is even a violation. I'd still suggest using AWB bot on an actual bot account and asking the admins for permission, but there is no harm being done and no reasonable explanation for a block. ☞ Rim < Talk 04:26, May 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not understand either why Spey would be banned for such a trivial 'offense' - offense being used for the sake of pointing out the paradox in it. There is no policy for bot usage. I would perfectly understand a completely new user who is unknown to the community and staff being banned for using such a device, but Spey? Spey has been a member of this wiki for over a year and now posseses a staffposition. If he's still being distrusted, then this wiki's community has a serious distrust problem. Pelinal the Whitestrake, the Bloody and Insurgent ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o) (talk) 06:37, May 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm interested as to why Timeoin went to Wikia at all. This is not something that needed to involve Wikia, so I'm curious as to who advised Timeoin about this. Clearly that user was completely misinformed and had no clue what they were saying to make such a bad judgement call like this.
 * I call again on Timeoin to actually give a reason for this block. The reasons given are invalid and no policies were violated in any way. If no reasons can be given, I call for the blocks to be undone as they are invalid and can be construed as misusing the tools. --Sajuuk talk 11:34, May 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * I spoke to Sajuuk via my sandbox wiki. Sajuuk claims in his defence that he used AutoWikiBrowser ,which is a program to make edits through a user account. He was behind the edits personally, not commanding his bot, as you can see by SajuukBot not having any edits. To further this claim, as AES stated, Sajuuk has been here for a decent time now. And as a third statement, AutoWikiBrowser is a program that can be used by any user, be it me, whoever is reading this, or Sajuuk. If I suddenly did this, I might not blaim someone for banning me, but Sajuuk has been here a lot longer. If this doesn't seem to be enough, from my personal glances (although I do sometimes miss pages, it's just me) I have not yet seen any policy disallowing the use of AWB by anyone, the only policy being that a second account must have authorisation, which Sajuuk did not use. Fghfghfgh510 (talk) 16:27, May 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * The block (which incidentally was NOT a permablock of SS, just the warning one) was done on advice via Wikia. Fair enough, AWB was used on your name instead. I admit, im not sure if Sajuukbot is involved in that or not. However, the second account was still created on March 24, well before any discussion took place about bots. It DOES need to get approval (from a Bureaucrat) before it is allowed - that is the current policy. It may have zero edits, but it was still created here without either a consensus or approval, and that is the reasoning behind this. So, in summary, yes, I may have been wrong about using AWB with that bot, just under your name, but there was still a second account here, hence the advice from above, and the warning. (And the fact that he was staff didnt enter into it. If Atvelonis or Flightmare or CheatCodeChamp has an unauthorised account, I would still have given them the same warning. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 21:07, May 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Uhh, you do realise SajuukBot isn't a bot JUST for this wiki? That is my separate and completely valid alternate account for all of Wikia and it was never created for just this wiki, which you can see by the fact it has a bot flag on TES Mods Wiki and Encyclopedia Hiigara. I'll drop you a useful tip: userpage creation will never determine the date of creation of a user account. Not on Wikia.
 * Just so I can confirm that this account was not made for sole use here, I created the account on 22nd December 2014], well before the userpage was made by myself. Since Wikia uses a single user database system, accounts can be created and are usable elsewhere. I simply added the appropriate global userpage template so people were aware that it is my account, it wasn't intended to violate policy.
 * This block clearly seems to be primarily done on a lack of understanding of when the account was made. An account does not count as "created" until it makes the first edit through a web browser. I made my Wikia account in 2009, but didn't start editing here until 2013, that doesn't mean I made an account in 2013.
 * Many people on Wikia have a single bot account that they use on other wiki's, SajuukBot just happens to be my one, and I never used it here, because it has no bot flag. Until SajuukBot is given a bot flag here, I will use AWB on my primary user account (aka this one). That won't be changing any time soon.
 * Oh and just so you know: I don't need to get authorisation from anyone here to create and possess a legitimate alternative user account that wasn't intended for sole and exclusive use in this community. The only authorisation I need is a community consensus to grant a bot flag to it so that any edits it makes are hidden from view, what I do with my bot account elsewhere is not the concern of this wiki. Just like how this wiki wrongly used a Signature template and nobody complained to me about it because I came from other wiki's.--Sajuuk talk 21:11, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

Resigning
You know something, I don't even know why I damn well bothered with this place. Take this as my resignation. I'm never coming back to this place. I thought that maybe with CCC becoming a sysop that things would change here, but barring a few minor changes, there is still no change in attitude and I've had enough. Take my tools, unblock my accounts (this and SajuukBot), because I'll never be editing here again.

There's only a small handful of users I respect here, but I won't mention a bunch of names. I want to thank Flightmare for his assistance in times of need on the wiki, as he seems to be one of the few sysops who understands the wiki in a similar way to myself. Thanks to Flightmare, I was able to understand how to use DPL, which I didn't have much knowledge of when I first started here. That led me into working out how to create abuse filters and how to use AutoWikiBrowser. If it wasn't for Flightmare, I probably would never have extended my wiki knowledge like I have done.

But yeah, do whatever you want, because I have better things to do than waste my time listening to people who don't have a damn clue what they're talking about when it comes to programs and scripts. Learn for yourself, because your not getting my help again. I'll come back if this place has improved, but I'm staying away until it does. Adios. --Sajuuk talk 22:34, May 2, 2015 (UTC)