Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-97.81.240.58-20130603234626/@comment-4686961-20130625082404

Zad Enn wrote: The empire would of been crushed would the White-Gold Concordat not be signed, do you not realise what would of happen to all the other provinces shall the empire fall? Considering all of tamriel was part of the empire, and had their politics, economy and war power because they were part of the empire, they would all be left weak and in mayhem... the aldmeri domonion would just conquer them one after another...think about, if the empire as one was not able to defeat the dominion, then how do you think the individual provinces would of have a stand in it alone? Not to mention that the empire didnt became the thalmor's allies over night, as General Tullius says "Not sure how longer our peace with the dominion will last" The empire is probably only regaining its power and rebuilding its army to then strike the elves again...its a proof of having a stronger will, instead of giving up life like nords do. More over, ulfric dosent seem to care for the life of anyone who isnt nord, and why is that? Isnt he fighting against the Altmers in the name of those that the altmers hurt? And how exactly is he a fine leader when he murdered the High King without allowing the high king the chance for a fair duel, he used his voice. How do you call it fair combat to use a power against somebody that dosent have it, and turn a wife into a widow without even thinking about the consequences... his hatred for the empire and thirst for the throne was longer before the thalmor forbid the worship of talos... he used it for a reasson to gather the confued people of skyrim to fight under his banner... Can you not notice the living conditions of windhelm and the cities under his control? With thieves and criminals runing free to kill whoever they want? Not to mention that his civil war is helping the thalmor as mentioned inside the information about ulfric stormcloak found in the thalmor embassy. If he's killed, during the end quest of the main story line, his soul in sovngarde realises that his actions hurted skyrim a lot and he's regreting it.

Ulfric may regret unintentionally aiding the Thalmor, but Skyrim needs a regime that will attack the Thalmor before they are ready to attack first. Also, about Ulfric and the High King. He didn't "murder" him. It was a duel for the right to the throne as is Nord custom and Torygg accepted. Ulfric's shout wasn't unfair. Spells and other extra ordinary abilities are common place (Draugr Deathlords, Dragons and the Greybeards all know shouts). It was a legitimate duel and the Imperials called foul when their king lost. BTW, I don't take kindly to your negative oppinion toward thieves and criminals (I'm a thief and a criminal, but I don't murder anybody that doesn't attack first). I'm also a Dunmer. Not all Mer feel discriminated against. There's even an Altmer merchant in Windhelm who feels accepted (and has a moderately positive attitude). You can't can't keep blaming others for being poor. There are numerous job opportunities in Skyrim (some of them legal) especially for those with the skill sets of a Dunmer. If they had money, they could move anywhere or even renovate their current home. Some guards may be racist, but Ulfric is just unconcerned with quality of life (not saying that's a good attitude to have, but at least he doesn't submit to Mer who are actually bad). Also, the Grey-Manes support the Companions and the Stormcloaks and the Companions allow all to join their ranks (incluing Dunmer). Some Dunmer (and other Mer) feel more discriminated against by the Altmer than the Nords and are willing to fight for their new home rather than complain about problems they refuse to work to fix. Lets use a real world comparison. If Nazi Germany (the Thalmor) started winning and gave us the option of a treaty sparing the lives of american (imperial) and all jewish (Nord) civilians, but the jewish people could no longer practice their faith. Believing in God (the 8 divines) is ok, but all other aspects of the jewish religion (*CONFIRMED* Nord belief that Talos rose to godhood) are illegal, those who break that law are executed without trial and the american military (Imperial Soldiers) will have to lend their support. There are many who would rather face certain death (or extinction) rather than submit to the Nazi regime (and they wouldn't be wrong).