The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log March 2018

"Nords... "Zords... "Should we create Generic Dialogue pages for each of the relevant games where we list generic quotes that would otherwise not be recorded on individual NPC articles?" "Should we merge the 'Interior Images' categories with their respective 'Location Images' categories?" Hey guys can we merge this plz It's dum thx Should I become admin
 * 21:14:29: Atvelonis: We currently only have 2 moot topics
 * 21:14:40: Atvelonis: Since it's a quarter after 4 now we may as well get started
 * 21:14:43: Resdraon: one is making me an admin, right?
 * 21:14:48: KINMUNE: Hello there, Poisoned apples!
 * 21:14:48: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
 * 21:14:48: Atvelonis: Of course
 * 21:14:50: Atvelonis: hi
 * 21:14:50: The Crusader of Truth: Nah
 * 21:15:03: Atvelonis: @Blademaster Jauffre, you signed up first, you good with presenting now?
 * 21:15:14: Atvelonis: Topic: "Morrowind Dialogue"
 * 21:15:57: Blademaster Jauffre: Oh
 * 21:15:58: Blademaster Jauffre: yea
 * 21:16:05: Blademaster Jauffre: it's not really, like spectacular
 * 21:16:06: The Crusader of Truth: Brb one sec
 * 21:16:06: Blademaster Jauffre: but anyway
 * 21:18:37: Blademaster Jauffre: So, in Morrowind there's like, tons of dialogue. Unique dialogue is, obviously, recorded on the page of the relevant speaker. However, a ton of dialogue is also not unique. Per custom, non-unique dialogue is not recorded on individual pages, but because of the great number of dialogue in Morrowind, I think there should be something listing the non-unique dialogue. Maybe like, a dialogue page? It's not something we've done before, though the rumors page for Oblivion is somewhat similar to the idea. I don't know if it's the best solution, but I think that by not recording this dialogue in one way or the other, a lot of possible knowledge is lost.
 * 21:18:49: Resdraon: I stole all the weapons and armor off this ship i had to steal from, so when they all came after me they had nothing to hit me with and i was just attacked by a bunch of snaked people
 * 21:19:18: Atvelonis: That's a good point
 * 21:19:23: Resdraon: ty
 * 21:19:35: Stygies VIII: I agree about creating a page for that
 * 21:19:36: Stygies VIII: great idea
 * 21:19:38: Atvelonis: @Jauffre: What would we call it? "Generic Dialogue (Morrowind)" or something?
 * 21:19:47: Blademaster Jauffre: Something like that, yeah.
 * 21:19:51: Stygies VIII: Generic dialogue (Game)
 * 21:20:03: Rozty: yeah, i was also thinking it would be necessary
 * 21:20:05: Stygies VIII: for Morrowind, Oblivion erc
 * 21:20:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm definitely in favor of some way of recording, but listing them all on some giant page might make it hard to look for something specific
 * 21:20:09: Stygies VIII: wtc*
 * 21:20:12: Stygies VIII: fucc
 * 21:20:14: Stygies VIII: etc*
 * 21:20:21: Rozty: oblivion already has a page for rumours
 * 21:20:34: Atvelonis: Audio too?
 * 21:20:49: Blademaster Jauffre: I think the rumors page has audio
 * 21:20:50: Stygies VIII: ctrl + f, princess
 * 21:20:51: Atvelonis: As on http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Rumors_(Oblivion)
 * 21:20:52: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 21:20:57: Rozty: since it's morrowind, there's not any audio
 * 21:21:19: Rozty: only for small phrases that you get when you pass by NPC
 * 21:21:27: Blademaster Jauffre: @Ashley We could seperate them into collapsable tables, like on the General Tullius (Skyrim) page
 * 21:21:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true, that sounds good
 * 21:21:39: The Crusader of Truth: Unrelatedish but we only have an Oblivion page for Rumors, so that should be fixed
 * 21:21:43: Blademaster Jauffre: Only then we categorize them by alphabet? Or by word/phrase?
 * 21:21:50: Resdraon: ohhhhh this is an elder scrolls wiki
 * 21:21:52: Resdraon: not just a skyrim one
 * 21:21:56: The Crusader of Truth: Well
 * 21:21:56: Blademaster Jauffre: Yes
 * 21:21:57: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
 * 21:22:11: Resdraon: how was I supposed to know that
 * 21:22:12: The Crusader of Truth: Hence "elderscrolls.wikia.com"
 * 21:22:17: Blademaster Jauffre: ^
 * 21:22:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ^
 * 21:22:25: Rozty: yeah but morrowind has a lot of different responses that aren't limited to rumours only
 * 21:22:26: Resdraon: are uyou implying i can read?
 * 21:22:33: The Crusader of Truth: Stay on the moot topic, please.
 * 21:22:37: Atvelonis: Morrowind rumors page should be created at some point
 * 21:22:40: Atvelonis: But that's a separate thing
 * 21:23:00: Atvelonis: Back to Jauffre's proposal: I agree that such a page would be useful, there's actually a good amount of generic dialogue that will be lost if we don't document it
 * 21:23:02: Rozty: so making one for rumours specifically for morrowind would just separate all the dialogue
 * 21:23:21: Atvelonis: I assume this will also include the weird grunting noises and whatever else. Technically generic dialogue, we could just put it in a separate tab perhaps
 * 21:23:34: Stygies VIII: I think Oblivion should have a generic dialogue page too
 * 21:23:34: The Crusader of Truth: "Audio" perhaps?
 * 21:23:37: Atvelonis: e.g. if you have captions on in Skyrim and an enemy attacks they'll say "YYAAAAARGHHH" or something
 * 21:23:39: Stygies VIII: and rumours would go there too
 * 21:23:43: Rozty: would it include the latest rumours as well?
 * 21:23:46: Blademaster Jauffre: How would we document it though? Coming back on my point, do we do it by word/phrase, or by letter?
 * 21:23:55: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: morrowind's dialogue and audio are separate things, i'd say
 * 21:23:57: The Crusader of Truth: Alphabetically by start?
 * 21:24:05: Stygies VIII: alphabetically
 * 21:24:07: Rozty: alphabetically should work
 * 21:24:13: Atvelonis: We could sort it by type and then alphabetically
 * 21:24:16: The Crusader of Truth: "All...
 * 21:24:20: Blademaster Jauffre: Ah
 * 21:24:24: Blademaster Jauffre: that'd work
 * 21:24:27: Atvelonis: So have a tab for combat dialogue, then greetings, then goodbyes, etc.
 * 21:24:31: Atvelonis: And within each of those, alphabetical
 * 21:24:33: Stygies VIII: this
 * 21:24:33: Rozty: yes
 * 21:24:40: The Crusader of Truth: Sounds like a plan to me
 * 21:24:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sonds good
 * 21:24:54: The Crusader of Truth: Who will be taking care of it?
 * 21:25:06: Rozty: but if we make a separate rumour page they wouldn't go there correct?
 * 21:25:13: Blademaster Jauffre: I think I can manage a start in the not-too-distant future
 * 21:25:14: Atvelonis: I think rumors are different
 * 21:25:17: Atvelonis: but idk
 * 21:25:23: Rozty: got a feeling that i'll be working on it too
 * 21:25:29: Atvelonis: We could make a separate Rumors (Morrowind) page just like Oblivion
 * 21:25:37: Rozty: there's a latest rumours topic
 * 21:25:44: Blademaster Jauffre: So, that just goes there?
 * 21:25:53: Blademaster Jauffre: Latest rumors = Rumors (Morrowind)?
 * 21:25:56: Atvelonis: I guess so yes
 * 21:25:59: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
 * 21:26:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
 * 21:26:04: Blademaster Jauffre: great
 * 21:26:30: Atvelonis: The Rumors page also talks about Skyrim but I don't know if it's ever specifically referred to as a rumor in-game
 * 21:26:35: Atvelonis: From inkeepers
 * 21:26:52: Blademaster Jauffre: Well, those rumors tend to be unique, right?
 * 21:26:55: Blademaster Jauffre: in Skyrim?
 * 21:27:00: Rozty: would any passing comment you get count as a rumour in Skyrim?
 * 21:27:01: Blademaster Jauffre: or am I wrong?
 * 21:27:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm fairly sure there's no equivalent to generic rumors in skyrim
 * 21:27:30: Atvelonis: So those would just count as the regular NPC dialogue?
 * 21:27:31: Stygies VIII: generic dialogue, not generic rumours
 * 21:27:41: Stygies VIII: in Skyrim
 * 21:27:44: The Crusader of Truth: Unlike Oblivion, everyone in Skyrim doesn't have the same voice somehow
 * 21:27:48: Rozty: i guess it's dialogue
 * 21:27:50: The Crusader of Truth: Broken lore but whatever
 * 21:27:50: Stygies VIII: xD
 * 21:27:52: Rozty: somehow
 * 21:27:59: Rozty: hey
 * 21:28:03: Stygies VIII: hai
 * 21:28:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: isn't lore but whatever
 * 21:28:28: The Crusader of Truth: Excuse me don't assume lore's gender
 * 21:28:34: Poisoned apples: hello, did i miss much
 * 21:28:41: Rozty: lore dictates that everyone has the same voice in Tamriel didn't you know?
 * 21:28:44: Rozty: not much
 * 21:28:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: but lore is clearly an attack helicopter
 * 21:28:53: Atvelonis: So the Skyrim rumors from innkeepers would just go on the NPC pages, nor a Rumors (Skyrim) page?
 * 21:29:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
 * 21:29:04: Rozty: we were talkjing about creating a page fr generic dialogue in Morrowind
 * 21:29:08: The Crusader of Truth: Anyway on a more on topic note - yes
 * 21:29:12: Resdraon: I found a ninroot
 * 21:29:13: Blademaster Jauffre: yes
 * 21:29:29: Poisoned apples: is this just for morrowind?
 * 21:29:38: Blademaster Jauffre: yes
 * 21:29:41: Rozty: yeah
 * 21:29:46: Resdraon: yes
 * 21:29:58: Atvelonis: Ok, so let's vote for the proposal now.
 * 21:29:59: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:30:05: Atvelonis: (+) to vote btw
 * 21:30:08: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:30:09: Resdraon: (-)
 * 21:30:09: Blademaster Jauffre: (+)
 * 21:30:10: Atvelonis: or = for neutral - for oppose
 * 21:30:11: The Crusader of Truth: (+)
 * 21:30:12: Stygies VIII: (+)
 * 21:30:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 21:30:20: The Norrisine: (+)
 * 21:30:22: RenzXVI: (+)
 * 21:30:26: Poisoned apples: (=)
 * 21:30:33: Stygies VIII: hello Bron
 * 21:30:34: Atvelonis: 8-1-1
 * 21:30:35: Atvelonis: Hi Bron
 * 21:30:50: Resdraon: my vote counts for 3 actually
 * 21:30:57: Atvelonis: We're voting to create a Generic Dialogue page for MW/OB/SK etc.
 * 21:31:09: Atvelonis: For stuff that wouldn't normally be documented in the NPC articles
 * 21:31:13: Bronkiin: Any reasons not to?
 * 21:31:17: Bronkiin: Sounds good to me.
 * 21:31:18: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:31:22: Atvelonis: 9-1-1
 * 21:31:41: Rozty: can't find a good reason not to go through with it
 * 21:31:44: Atvelonis: Any other votes?
 * 21:31:51: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 21:31:54: Blademaster Jauffre: I don't think so?
 * 21:31:57: Atvelonis: 10-1-1
 * 21:32:05: The Crusader of Truth: Considering 12 people have voted out of 15? people, and two don't even exist as people, I think we're good
 * 21:32:14: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 21:33:01: Atvelonis: I have one small-ish topic
 * 21:33:02: The Crusader of Truth: Alright Atv, if I remember right, you have the floor?
 * 21:33:03: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 21:33:05: The Crusader of Truth: Ayy ye
 * 21:34:17: Atvelonis: So this past month I've been doing a certain amount of file licensing stuff with AkulakhanBot and I'm remembering now that, for whatever reason, we apparently make a distinction between place screenshots taken outdoors (Location Images) and ones taken indoors (Interior Images).
 * 21:34:24: Atvelonis: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Skyrim:_Location_Images
 * 21:34:27: Atvelonis: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Skyrim:_Interior_Images
 * 21:34:37: Rozty: that's weird
 * 21:34:40: Atvelonis: This is done for Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim I believe
 * 21:34:52: Rozty: it is?
 * 21:35:19: Atvelonis: I would like to suggest today that we get rid of the "Interior Images" categories altogether because these are really just location images that have been needlessly fragmented
 * 21:35:32: Stygies VIII: I would at least make Interior Images a subcategory of Location Images or merge them
 * 21:35:33: The Crusader of Truth: I guess in a way it's useful, considering people may want to look at interiors only, but that's the right thing to do
 * 21:35:45: Atvelonis: Right now it's a subcategory but I would like to merge them yes
 * 21:35:57: Atvelonis: So would be changed to
 * 21:36:05: Blademaster Jauffre: I'm a bit iffy, but I don't really see much of a need for interior images
 * 21:36:08: Stygies VIII: I think too many categories is not a good thing
 * 21:36:17: Atvelonis: It's especially problematic because hardly anyone actually bothers to categorize them correctly. So it's really inconsistent
 * 21:36:28: Stygies VIII: let's merge that stuff
 * 21:36:28: Atvelonis: Location alone is much simpler and easier for editors, imo
 * 21:36:29: The Crusader of Truth: (+) (Not voting just agreeing)
 * 21:36:30: Blademaster Jauffre: I suppose modders might use it, but idk, seems a bit overkill to me to have two categories for practically the same thing.
 * 21:36:42: Rozty: if that's the case i can see why it's not needed
 * 21:36:48: Nekyn Alb: (+) (Voting, just not agreeing)
 * 21:36:53: The Crusader of Truth: oh
 * 21:36:55: Rozty: how
 * 21:36:58: Atvelonis: one sec
 * 21:37:20: The Crusader of Truth: So basically, you're just going to get your bot and do -->  ?
 * 21:37:27: Nekyn Alb: Yeah, no, really tho, I agree with that
 * 21:37:28: Stygies VIII: okay, even if modders use it, it's inconsistent and not very good
 * 21:37:30: Atvelonis: Vote:
 * 21:37:33: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:37:34: Stygies VIII: (+)
 * 21:37:35: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:37:37: The Crusader of Truth: oh
 * 21:37:39: Atvelonis: 3-0-0
 * 21:37:43: Atvelonis: So yes Crus
 * 21:37:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (=) don't care
 * 21:37:48: The Crusader of Truth: (+) (Voting, just not voting, agreeing, just not agreeing)
 * 21:37:48: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 21:37:48: The Norrisine: (+)
 * 21:37:53: RenzXVI: (+)
 * 21:37:56: Atvelonis: 7-1-0
 * 21:38:05: Blademaster Jauffre: (=)
 * 21:38:08: Atvelonis: 7-2-0
 * 21:38:12: The Crusader of Truth: @everyone vote
 * 21:38:23: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:38:33: Atvelonis: 8-2-0
 * 21:38:37: Rozty: fuck the noise scared me
 * 21:38:38: The Crusader of Truth: dun actually create that page just vote plz
 * 21:38:52: Stygies VIII: *creates the page*
 * 21:38:53: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 21:39:25: Nekyn Alb: *Puts (-) on the page*
 * 21:39:27: Atvelonis: 9-2-0
 * 21:39:50: Atvelonis: Any other votes?
 * 21:39:57: Nekyn Alb: Ye
 * 21:39:59: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:40:10: The Crusader of Truth: inb4 Nathan votes after we close voting
 * 21:40:13: Atvelonis: You already voted Mr. Slug man
 * 21:40:20: Nekyn Alb: :-]
 * 21:40:54: Nekyn Alb: Quick Crus, make Kinny vote
 * 21:41:06: Rozty: are we still waiting for people to vote?
 * 21:41:13: The Crusader of Truth: Okay one sec
 * 21:41:15: Atvelonis: No I think everyone who will vote has voted
 * 21:41:19: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: illegal mexican slugs voting twice? it's trump's election all over again
 * 21:41:20: Atvelonis: I don't have any other topics, that was it for me
 * 21:41:30: The Crusader of Truth: KINMUNE, vote. [|]
 * 21:41:33: KINMUNE: Fuck Off, Okay!!!!!
 * 21:41:34: Nekyn Alb: Atvel is Hillary?
 * 21:41:36: The Crusader of Truth: Oh I tried
 * 21:41:36: Rozty: i actually think i have a topic
 * 21:41:48: Atvelonis: Go ahead then Rozty
 * 21:41:50: Rozty: alhough i didn't add it
 * 21:41:52: Rozty: ok
 * 21:41:56: Nekyn Alb: Maybe you just think that you think
 * 21:42:06: The Crusader of Truth: I hate thinking.
 * 21:42:11: Nekyn Alb: I noticed
 * 21:42:11: The Crusader of Truth: Ruins my insanity.
 * 21:42:41: Resdraon: so did my adminness get approved?
 * 21:42:42: Rozty: i've noticed two categories for the characters in Morrowind, http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Morrowind:_Bandits and http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Morrowind:_Slavers
 * 21:43:10: Rozty: i don't think they serve any purpose since there isn't any specification like that in CS and think they should be remobed
 * 21:43:15: Rozty: removed*
 * 21:43:19: Resdraon: is it true you can only marry other players in morrowind and not npc's?
 * 21:43:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you can't marry anyone in morrowind
 * 21:43:45: Stygies VIII: that would be trolling but in ESO: Morrowind it's true xD
 * 21:43:46: Rozty: so the criteria is very subjective
 * 21:43:51: Bronkiin: "Other players in Morrowind"
 * 21:43:56: Stygies VIII: there you can only marry other players
 * 21:44:00: Resdraon: i thought morrowind was eso
 * 21:44:09: Atvelonis: ESO Morrowind is ESO
 * 21:44:11: Stygies VIII: yeah ESO Morrowind was before TES III Morrowind
 * 21:44:11: Atvelonis: Morrowind is from 2002
 * 21:44:17: The Crusader of Truth: Y'all please, Rozty's topic
 * 21:44:17: Nekyn Alb: lol
 * 21:44:23: Resdraon: oh
 * 21:44:25: Blademaster Jauffre: Slavers and Bandits?
 * 21:44:25: Rozty: oof
 * 21:44:26: Bronkiin: "ESO Morrowind was before TES III"
 * 21:44:32: Resdraon: either way i'm not marrying any of u
 * 21:44:33: Nekyn Alb: I mean, if we want a hitlist it's useful
 * 21:44:37: Rozty: yeah, slavers and bandits
 * 21:44:58: Stygies VIII: I can't remember how it was in-game
 * 21:45:03: Nekyn Alb: What are bandits tagged as usually?
 * 21:45:13: Stygies VIII: but if in-game there are Slavers and Bandits separately then in-game is more important than CK
 * 21:45:14: Rozty: there's nothing that refers to them like that in CS so i think they were added there with very loose criteria
 * 21:45:35: Rozty: usually they will be hostile charaters
 * 21:45:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: does slavers include the people in the cities that sell slaves? if so, keeping them separate is a good idea
 * 21:45:47: Blademaster Jauffre: ^
 * 21:45:53: Blademaster Jauffre: That's the important part
 * 21:45:54: Rozty: slavers are the people that are found in the same place as slaves think
 * 21:46:07: Blademaster Jauffre: In that case it's pretty much useless
 * 21:46:12: Resdraon: /me does a dance
 * 21:46:14: Rozty: yeah
 * 21:46:16: Resdraon: jig*
 * 21:46:29: Nekyn Alb: That's pretty unspecific
 * 21:46:45: Nekyn Alb: Only farm owners and stuff would probably make a very small category
 * 21:46:47: Rozty: i've checked most of them already and it seems like that was the case
 * 21:47:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've never seen those as something different from bandits (or any other angry npcs)
 * 21:47:20: Rozty: especially considering that slavers is also a subcategory of bandits, i don't think we should keep it
 * 21:47:57: Nekyn Alb: lol, why did somebody do that
 * 21:48:08: Rozty: idl
 * 21:48:10: Rozty: idk*
 * 21:48:37: Stygies VIII: if there is no difference, let's merge that stuff
 * 21:48:41: Atvelonis: Hold on
 * 21:48:42: Rozty: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Falion_(Morrowind)
 * 21:48:44: Atvelonis: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Morrowind:_Slavers?action=history
 * 21:48:49: Atvelonis: 13:54, March 21, 2016‎ The Cat Master (Talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (52 bytes) (+52)‎ . . (Per moot consensus (3/19/16))
 * 21:48:49: Stygies VIII: inb4 we merge all categories on tesw
 * 21:48:50: Rozty: she is a slaver for example
 * 21:48:52: Stygies VIII: this night
 * 21:49:07: Atvelonis: It seems like... this was actually the result of a previous moot decision?
 * 21:49:11: Atvelonis: Gimme a second I'll find the proposal
 * 21:49:14: Stygies VIII: wha
 * 21:49:17: Nekyn Alb: Previous moots are irrelevant
 * 21:49:20: Nekyn Alb: Only the now counts
 * 21:49:29: Nekyn Alb: I say we kick out the outlanders
 * 21:49:29: Stygies VIII: I'd like to know why it happened tho
 * 21:49:43: Rozty: yes
 * 21:49:44: Stygies VIII: okay you go first, Nekyn
 * 21:49:50: Rozty: kick out all n'wahs
 * 21:49:55: Nekyn Alb: Niemals
 * 21:50:28: Atvelonis: No moot actually took place on 3/19/16. I'm not sure what's up
 * 21:50:38: Rozty: the plot thiccens
 * 21:50:58: Stygies VIII: ohhhhhhhhhh the anticipation
 * 21:51:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: maybe it was a late implementation
 * 21:51:03: The Crusader of Truth: Meanwhile I propose we merge all ESO Morrowind and Morrowind content
 * 21:51:11: The Crusader of Truth: They are the same game after all (Y)
 * 21:51:18: Stygies VIII: make TES III a subpage of ESO Morrowind
 * 21:51:21: Rozty: oof
 * 21:51:25: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 21:51:27: Rozty: don't hurt me like that
 * 21:51:31: Atvelonis: I'll check
 * 21:51:32: Rozty: (-)
 * 21:51:36: Rozty: nO
 * 21:51:37: The Crusader of Truth: All sarcasm aside yeah probably just not proposed on the same day
 * 21:51:39: Nekyn Alb: Just make every Morrowind category a sub category of ESOM categories with the same name and merge all who don't have equivalents
 * 21:51:59: The Crusader of Truth: *delete
 * 21:52:12: Nekyn Alb: delet this
 * 21:52:17: The Crusader of Truth: no u
 * 21:52:18: Stygies VIII: just make it look like one game
 * 21:52:22: The Crusader of Truth: But
 * 21:52:23: Stygies VIII: wait it is one game
 * 21:52:26: The Crusader of Truth: Isn't it all just one game?
 * 21:52:27: The Crusader of Truth: oh
 * 21:52:30: Stygies VIII: lol yes
 * 21:52:44: The Crusader of Truth: //We are the game//
 * 21:52:49: Rozty: o
 * 21:52:51: Resdraon: (-)
 * 21:52:56: Nekyn Alb: Just merge everything with ESO
 * 21:52:57: Stygies VIII: all tes are one game and we are the game
 * 21:52:57: The Crusader of Truth: Atvelonis = Alduin
 * 21:53:00: Atvelonis: I don't see anything about it in the moot summaries, but there's a chance that it was done in one of the Jan 2016 moots that had no log/summary. I'll check the weekly update
 * 21:53:08: Rozty: okie
 * 21:53:12: Stygies VIII: ok
 * 21:53:15: Nekyn Alb: Break the kalpic cycle, break the admin
 * 21:53:26: Stygies VIII: b a n
 * 21:53:28: The Crusader of Truth: Who's the last dragonborn tho
 * 21:53:34: Stygies VIII: you
 * 21:53:34: Rozty: whomst Akatosh then
 * 21:53:39: The Crusader of Truth: Hot damn
 * 21:53:53: Nekyn Alb: Cheap Talos copycat
 * 21:54:08: The Crusader of Truth: Nekyn = Jubal
 * 21:54:16: Resdraon: people seem to like the word moot
 * 21:54:17: Nekyn Alb: ayyy
 * 21:54:24: Nekyn Alb: I did that in the meme, didn't I
 * 21:54:25: The Crusader of Truth: Rozty = The Neverine or however you spell it
 * 21:54:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: moot moot moot
 * 21:54:33: Nekyn Alb: or was I Hir
 * 21:54:36: The Crusader of Truth: As for Akatosh
 * 21:54:36: Rozty: ye
 * 21:54:37: Stygies VIII: Neverwinter
 * 21:54:48: Nekyn Alb: The Submarine
 * 21:54:48: Rozty: i'm immortal bitches
 * 21:54:48: Stygies VIII: Neverwinter the main protagonist of ESO Morrowind
 * 21:54:49: Atvelonis: I mean
 * 21:54:50: Atvelonis: This is a moot
 * 21:54:56: The Crusader of Truth: Akatosh = The Avatar of Akatosh
 * 21:54:58: The Crusader of Truth: Owait
 * 21:55:06: Nekyn Alb: that doesn't make sense, silly
 * 21:55:07: Stygies VIII: yeah it does look like a moot
 * 21:55:09: The Crusader of Truth: == User:The Aspect of Akatosh
 * 21:55:17: The Crusader of Truth: oh wait
 * 21:55:23: The Crusader of Truth: H e c c
 * 21:55:26: Resdraon: this is not a moot
 * 21:55:32: Blademaster Jauffre: This moot is moot
 * 21:55:36: Stygies VIII: what is it? what am I? what is life
 * 21:55:37: RenzXVI: No, this is Patrick.
 * 21:55:40: Resdraon: its an imperial scam to take rights away
 * 21:55:43: Resdraon: like normal
 * 21:55:46: Rozty: shoot rhymes with moot
 * 21:56:04: Stygies VIII: froot
 * 21:56:10: Blademaster Jauffre: NOOT NOOT
 * 21:56:12: Resdraon: fruit
 * 21:56:13: Nekyn Alb: Capitalization
 * 21:56:18: Resdraon: something more of you need to eat
 * 21:56:24: Stygies VIII: rip
 * 21:56:26: Qahnaarin1997: Caps Jauffre
 * 21:56:30: Blademaster Jauffre: sry
 * 21:56:34: Nekyn Alb: twas a quote
 * 21:56:38: Atvelonis: I can't find anything about it in the moot logs, but he put moot in the summary so it must have been some sort of moot decision
 * 21:56:38: Blademaster Jauffre: ye'
 * 21:56:38: Nekyn Alb: of our overlord Pingu
 * 21:56:41: Qahnaarin1997: Irrelevant
 * 21:56:50: The Norrisine: Moot -> sidetrack
 * 21:56:52: Atvelonis: For the time being we have to hold off on this one because we cannot overrule a previous moot decision in a later moot
 * 21:56:54: Nekyn Alb: noot yourself before you toon yourself
 * 21:57:02: The Crusader of Truth: "If we have to negotiate the terms to the negotiation, we will never get anywhere"
 * 21:57:04: Stygies VIII: anyway, is there really no difference between slavers and bandits?
 * 21:57:09: Atvelonis: I'll talk to Cat and see if he knows what's up
 * 21:57:15: Blademaster Jauffre: I don't think there is
 * 21:57:23: Rozty: oof
 * 21:57:24: Stygies VIII: hm odd
 * 21:57:25: Blademaster Jauffre: maybe slavers hold the keys to the slaves' brackets?
 * 21:57:34: Blademaster Jauffre: that's just guessing tho
 * 21:57:34: The Crusader of Truth: Suicide is always the answer
 * 21:57:42: Stygies VIII: k bye
 * 21:57:42: Nekyn Alb: e d g y
 * 21:57:43: Rozty: haven't checked that tbh
 * 21:57:46: Atvelonis: WAIT
 * 21:57:48: Stygies VIII: what
 * 21:57:50: Atvelonis: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:906079
 * 21:57:52: Rozty: you found it?
 * 21:57:53: The Crusader of Truth: pause
 * 21:57:56: Atvelonis: "Characters in Morrowind will now be categorized based on their occupation as slavers."
 * 21:58:01: Resdraon: why the hell don't thieves drop there armor
 * 21:58:06: Nekyn Alb: Stop writing, I want to click the link
 * 21:58:13: Rozty: how do we decide that occupation
 * 21:58:17: The Crusader of Truth: My username isn't on that WU, it is invalid.
 * 21:58:23: Atvelonis: Absolutely no idea
 * 21:58:29: Atvelonis: I'll check the log
 * 21:58:31: Stygies VIII: I guess they have slaves
 * 21:58:34: The Norrisine: If slavers have own category, then what about smugglers?
 * 21:58:34: Stygies VIII: so
 * 21:58:35: Rozty: oof
 * 21:58:45: Stygies VIII: ehhh
 * 21:58:48: Atvelonis: wait
 * 21:58:49: Nekyn Alb: What about drug users
 * 21:58:50: Atvelonis: there is no log
 * 21:58:54: Rozty: how do you even find smugglers
 * 21:58:55: Nekyn Alb: Caius my boi needs a category
 * 21:58:57: Rozty: o boi
 * 21:58:57: Stygies VIII: s e c r e t m o o t
 * 21:58:59: Blademaster Jauffre: ye
 * 21:59:13: The Crusader of Truth: >first comment
 * 21:59:19: Nekyn Alb: The Moot is a lie fabricated by the High Thalmor
 * 21:59:26: The Crusader of Truth: >Bron: Take a vacation, fool
 * 21:59:33: Rozty: lmao
 * 21:59:34: Blademaster Jauffre: I like how something as minor as changing insignificant categories turned into such a big thing
 * 21:59:35: Atvelonis: aghhhhhh bad record-keeping
 * 21:59:41: The Crusader of Truth: >two years later, Atv has still not rested
 * 21:59:44: Nekyn Alb: We need to lick the dragon to find the truth
 * 22:00:09: Stygies VIII: mind you, Crus is the Last Dragonborn
 * 22:00:13: Stygies VIII: so, is he the dragon
 * 22:00:18: Rozty: and i am Nerevarine
 * 22:00:18: The Crusader of Truth: lick me
 * 22:00:22: Stygies VIII: *licks*
 * 22:00:24: Nekyn Alb: Nobody licks you
 * 22:00:25: The Crusader of Truth: ...please dont
 * 22:00:27: RenzXVI: Why can't we just take the German TES staff and we bandit slaver their ass.
 * 22:00:27: Nekyn Alb: *likes
 * 22:00:28: Rozty: doesn't that make me better
 * 22:00:29: Stygies VIII: anyway, back on topic
 * 22:00:36: Stygies VIII: so
 * 22:00:37: Nekyn Alb: Enslave me daddy
 * 22:00:45: Stygies VIII: either all occupations have categories or none
 * 22:00:45: The Crusader of Truth: ...please
 * 22:00:48: The Crusader of Truth: No
 * 22:00:48: Atvelonis: Soooo we can't overrule this during the moot, because it was a previous moot decision
 * 22:00:52: Blademaster Jauffre: CT?
 * 22:00:54: Rozty: so in the end do we keep the category or not
 * 22:00:54: Resdraon: this is the 3rd worst meeting I've ever been in
 * 22:00:57: Atvelonis: We also can't check what the reasoning was for the decision because there is no log
 * 22:01:00: Stygies VIII: >slavers having their own category
 * 22:01:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: why can't we overrule previous moots?
 * 22:01:16: Resdraon: because they havn't had enough time to settle in yet
 * 22:01:17: Atvelonis: Because it would end up with back-and-forth changes that no one wants
 * 22:01:18: The Crusader of Truth: Question: Was the decision to be able to not overrule something in a moot made in a moot?
 * 22:01:19: Rozty: so it stays even though it's not helpful in the slightest?
 * 22:01:19: Resdraon: so its unjust to get id of them
 * 22:01:26: Resdraon: give it some time
 * 22:01:29: The Crusader of Truth: If so, can we moot the decision to be able to not moot something mooted?
 * 22:01:30: Atvelonis: @Rozty: you can bring it up in a CT
 * 22:01:31: Resdraon: bloody hell lad
 * 22:01:33: Atvelonis: No
 * 22:01:42: Atvelonis: Board:Consensus Track
 * 22:01:44: Rozty: oof, a CT
 * 22:01:51: Atvelonis: If you want it changed, make a thread on here and it will overrule the moot decision
 * 22:01:53: Atvelonis: If it passes
 * 22:02:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i get that we can't change something every other moot, but this is a moot from 2016 that we initially didn't even remember
 * 22:02:19: Rozty: yeah
 * 22:02:30: The Crusader of Truth: Rozty why did you have to mention this
 * 22:02:31: RenzXVI: It was when Jarjar was admin, overrule everything!
 * 22:02:34: The Crusader of Truth: You have broken the wiki
 * 22:02:38: Rozty: and if we vote on it now it saves me trouble from writing a CT
 * 22:02:44: The Crusader of Truth: delete(Rozty.chr)
 * 22:02:49: Rozty: no u
 * 22:02:49: Resdraon: whats a ct?
 * 22:02:54: Atvelonis: Consensus Track
 * 22:02:57: Blademaster Jauffre: ^^=
 * 22:02:59: The Crusader of Truth: ^
 * 22:03:00: Blademaster Jauffre: *^
 * 22:03:01: Resdraon: sounds boring
 * 22:03:01: Atvelonis: Just a forum thread about a policy
 * 22:03:03: Resdraon: just don't do it anyway
 * 22:03:05: Atvelonis: Yes it can be very boring
 * 22:03:19: Atvelonis: @Rozty: the CT doesn't have to be 10 pages long, although some are
 * 22:03:20: The Crusader of Truth: Like me.
 * 22:03:25: RenzXVI: Read the 2014 CTs, they are very exciting.
 * 22:03:26: Atvelonis: it can just be a couple paragraphs
 * 22:03:36: The Crusader of Truth: CT:
 * 22:03:40: Resdraon: no make him write at least 20 pages for crying about it
 * 22:03:44: Rozty: lol 10 pages, i am not motivated nearly enough for that
 * 22:03:45: Nekyn Alb: why merge
 * 22:03:48: Nekyn Alb: Why not delete
 * 22:03:58: RenzXVI: 2014 CTs have crying in it.
 * 22:04:01: Rozty: even 2 paragraphs is too much at this point tbh
 * 22:04:03: The Crusader of Truth: Move to Skyrim category where it belongs
 * 22:04:14: Nekyn Alb: I can cry over your current CTs if you want that
 * 22:04:20: The Crusader of Truth: Cry over me
 * 22:04:20: Nekyn Alb: heck, even if you don't want that
 * 22:04:38: Nekyn Alb: I will shower you with my salty water
 * 22:04:49: Rozty: still haven't checked the current CT too
 * 22:04:58: Atvelonis: Do we have any other topics?
 * 22:05:07: Rozty: i don't
 * 22:05:24: RenzXVI: TES wiki mascot
 * 22:05:26: Blademaster Jauffre: nope
 * 22:05:32: Nekyn Alb: Fargoth
 * 22:05:36: Nekyn Alb: or Crus
 * 22:05:38: The Crusader of Truth: Jubal, weep your tears in the sands of the forgotten dunes, until three Nirns evoke around six dancing songs, and the word once written is spoken no more.
 * 22:05:40: Nekyn Alb: both equally annoying
 * 22:05:46: Rozty: (+)
 * 22:05:49: Rozty: for fargoth
 * 22:05:55: Nekyn Alb: r u drunk
 * 22:05:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: thinking about whether i should propose to make me admin, then kick everyone before they can oppose
 * 22:06:02: Rozty: i wish i was
 * 22:06:11: The Crusader of Truth: Vote:
 * 22:06:19: Nekyn Alb: If it was written, was it ever spoken?
 * 22:06:25: Nekyn Alb: (-)
 * 22:06:32: Rozty: (-)
 * 22:06:32: The Crusader of Truth: no u
 * 22:06:48: Resdraon: I'm already becoming an admin, so that means there's enough
 * 22:06:50: Nekyn Alb: ur mum
 * 22:06:58: The Crusader of Truth: my
 * 22:07:02: The Crusader of Truth: my...
 * 22:07:02: Nekyn Alb: yes
 * 22:07:05: The Crusader of Truth: my mum?
 * 22:07:07: The Crusader of Truth: ;(
 * 22:07:17: Nekyn Alb: u r mum
 * 22:07:20: Atvelonis: Ok so if there are no more topics, I declare this moot over