User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20190105

is what i wrote in the topics
 * 15:48:24: KINMUNE: Hello there, SkyrimDovah123!
 * 17:50:52: RenzXVI: Hi, I am Scarlett Johansson's imaginary boyfriend.
 * 19:06:40: KINMUNE: Hello there, DaBarkspawn!
 * 19:51:09: KINMUNE: Hello there, TinyClayMan!
 * 19:51:12: TinyClayMan: Greetings
 * 19:51:28: TinyClayMan: Ping me when everyone gather
 * 19:53:06: DaBarkspawn: Greetings!
 * 19:59:04: KINMUNE: Hello there, Rozty!
 * 19:59:07: Rozty: woo[
 * 19:59:09: Rozty: woop
 * 19:59:14: Rozty: how did i fail this
 * 20:00:56: DaBarkspawn: Ask me no questions, I will tell you no lies.
 * 20:04:29: Rozty: hmm, do i ping on discord for the moot, because i'm pretty sure people have forgotten about it?
 * 20:06:42: DaBarkspawn: go for it
 * 20:06:57: DaBarkspawn: I wish I could make this chat do an audible ping
 * 20:07:16: Rozty: it does, just not to people that aren't here
 * 20:07:45: DaBarkspawn: No, I mean when someone types something new here, I don't hear anything
 * 20:08:26: Rozty: oh, yeah that i wish it could do too
 * 20:09:33: TinyClayMan: I guess we need an everyone ping on discord
 * 20:10:33: Rozty: yeah i was working on it
 * 20:11:46: KINMUNE: Hello there, TheKorraFanatic!
 * 20:11:53: KINMUNE: Hello there, Polyglot Jake!
 * 20:11:56: Rozty: see, people
 * 20:12:00: Rozty: hello there
 * 20:12:03: Rozty: o/
 * 20:12:07: Polyglot Jake: Is it moot time?
 * 20:12:09: KINMUNE: Hello there, Poisoned apples!
 * 20:12:10: Rozty: yes
 * 20:12:15: RenzXVI: Is there a moot or something?
 * 20:12:22: Polyglot Jake: That came quick
 * 20:12:41: Rozty: we will just wait a bit more until traffic gets going and atvelonis joins and we're good to fo
 * 20:12:43: Rozty: go*
 * 20:13:13: KINMUNE: Hello there, Bronkiin!
 * 20:13:20: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
 * 20:13:21: Bronkiin: This all looks very moot like
 * 20:13:25: RenzXVI: I guess there is.
 * 20:13:33: Bronkiin: I can't really stick around though cos dinner :(
 * 20:13:36: Starkiller131: Bron!
 * 20:13:37: Bronkiin: I'll lurk
 * 20:13:39: Bronkiin: STAR
 * 20:13:41: Bronkiin: hi
 * 20:13:49: Starkiller131: Long time no freaking see XD
 * 20:13:49: Bronkiin: been a while xd
 * 20:14:07: Bronkiin: Indeed, forget the Moot, chat can watch our lovely reunion x
 * 20:14:13: Starkiller131: I'm the best lurker ;) XD
 * 20:14:46: Bronkiin: I'm not even very good at lurking
 * 20:14:46: TheKorraFanatic: Thought I was the best lurker, I never even speak during these meetings.
 * 20:14:50: Rozty: it'll be like the commercials before the movie starts in the theatre
 * 20:15:05: Bronkiin: It is like that, not exactly what we're advertising tho
 * 20:15:11: Starkiller131: Korra? What are you doing on my wiki?
 * 20:15:21: Bronkiin: Korra Stormblade
 * 20:15:27: Starkiller131: oh XD
 * 20:15:32: Bronkiin: It isn't xD
 * 20:15:36: Bronkiin: Just a similar name
 * 20:15:37: Starkiller131: OH
 * 20:15:39: Starkiller131: XD
 * 20:15:45: Starkiller131: I Know
 * 20:15:47: Bronkiin: I missed the xd
 * 20:15:55: Bronkiin: the xd doesn't appear on FB messenger
 * 20:15:57: Starkiller131: I still over use it
 * 20:16:12: Bronkiin: I'm not convinced it can be "over" used
 * 20:16:16: Starkiller131: XD
 * 20:16:41: Starkiller131: Well I've kicked sajuuk out for overusing it
 * 20:16:41: Rozty: shall we put it to the test then (XD)
 * 20:16:44: Rozty: heck
 * 20:16:48: Rozty: was that not the none
 * 20:16:51: Rozty: one*
 * 20:16:54: Bronkiin: Sajuuk has been kicked for many things
 * 20:16:56: TinyClayMan: XD
 * 20:17:01: TinyClayMan: It is the one
 * 20:17:05: Quentum: O/
 * 20:17:08: Bronkiin: \o
 * 20:17:09: Rozty: (xd)
 * 20:17:12: Starkiller131: He IS freaking Garfield
 * 20:17:24: TinyClayMan: Now we know that Rozty can't XD
 * 20:17:31: Rozty: ugh
 * 20:17:38: Starkiller131: XD
 * 20:17:43: Bronkiin: Right food time. brb ish but don't know when. Assume I vote in favour of anything everyone else votes in favour of
 * 20:17:46: Rozty: lemme look at the chat emotes real quick
 * 20:17:47: Bronkiin: \o and xd
 * 20:17:54: Starkiller131: No bronk ;(
 * 20:18:01: Starkiller131: Don't leave me!
 * 20:18:05: Starkiller131: XD
 * 20:18:17: Rozty: *aha i am first, second and third this time so be prepared*
 * 20:18:17: TinyClayMan: Bring food - there are a lot of moot topics
 * 20:18:24: Starkiller131: ^
 * 20:18:32: Quentum: What happened that so many people are here today?
 * 20:18:38: KINMUNE: Hello there, Atvelonis!
 * 20:18:39: Atvelonis: Greetings, mortals
 * 20:18:44: TinyClayMan: Greetings
 * 20:18:45: Starkiller131: Last person in the log pays for my dinner
 * 20:18:50: Starkiller131: (y)
 * 20:19:03: Starkiller131: Atvel!
 * 20:19:08: Atvelonis: @Quentum: we're having a policy meeting. You're welcome to sit in if you'd like!
 * 20:19:13: Atvelonis: Hi Star
 * 20:19:19: DaBarkspawn: I think that anyone who says "I am the best lurker" has disqualified themselves. It's like losing The Game.
 * 20:19:19: Quentum: Ah
 * 20:19:24: TinyClayMan: *last person is the one who says that the moot is concluded*
 * 20:19:29: Starkiller131: That's all I get ;(
 * 20:19:49: Rozty: i think we have enough people now to start yes?
 * 20:20:03: DaBarkspawn: Congratulations, TinyClayMan, on making a moot point.
 * 20:20:07: TinyClayMan: Jauffre is missing
 * 20:20:09: TinyClayMan: Thanks
 * 20:20:14: Starkiller131: I just wanted to say hi honestly, see y'all next time!
 * 20:20:17: Starkiller131: XD
 * 20:20:23: Rozty: jauffre is also last and we two will make this take two hours so
 * 20:20:27: TinyClayMan: o7
 * 20:20:29: Rozty: oof
 * 20:20:59: Atvelonis: Rozty is signed up first
 * 20:21:04: Polyglot Jake: Where is Jauffre?
 * 20:21:38: Rozty: no clue, but since i pinged the verified members on discord he should show up if he sees it on time
 * 20:21:45: Rozty: shall i start?
 * 20:22:01: Atvelonis: Go ahead
 * 20:22:05: Rozty: alright
 * 20:22:34: Rozty: "Sorting out the page. Removing unneeded categories and better organising the existing ones according to CS."
 * 20:23:08: DaBarkspawn: Can someone remind me of the peculiar syntax chat uses for support/etc.?
 * 20:23:15: Rozty: basically, i have noticed that there have been a lot of categories in morrowind that seem to have been arbitrarily created without a set rule and i want to make them adhere to the cs more
 * 20:23:22: Atvelonis: (+), (=), (-)
 * 20:23:26: DaBarkspawn: ty
 * 20:23:54: DaBarkspawn: I fully support using the CS as the source of truth in all things that it covers.
 * 20:24:06: DaBarkspawn: (e.g., not so applicable to lore and some other things)
 * 20:24:13: DaBarkspawn: but for this, full support
 * 20:24:20: Rozty: for example, is not an actual faction in the cs and it seems like it includes people based on whether they are located in a daedric ruin or not
 * 20:24:40: Atvelonis: What qualifies as a faction in the CS?
 * 20:25:28: Rozty: basically everything we have in the faction page in morrowind
 * 20:25:28: DaBarkspawn: Something that is one of the possible entries in the Faction and Rank drop down in an NPC screen.
 * 20:25:40: Atvelonis: Ah
 * 20:25:44: Atvelonis: I also notice that we have categories for Daedra Worshippers (for example) in a few other games too
 * 20:25:45: Rozty: after DaBarkspawn worked on it i believe it is complete
 * 20:25:47: Atvelonis: Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO
 * 20:25:53: Rozty: that's weird
 * 20:25:53: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Daedra_Worshippers
 * 20:26:30: Atvelonis: It seems as though the Oblivion one is from 2012, but the Skyrim and ESO ones are from 2016
 * 20:26:32: DaBarkspawn: Right, the stuff in the factions grid is all driven by CS data
 * 20:26:36: Atvelonis: Shockstorm created them to standardize, I would think
 * 20:26:40: Rozty: i can understand oblivion since it was more cut and dry there with the shrines, but skyrim and morrowind seem a bit much
 * 20:27:17: TinyClayMan: ESO category is probably based on in-game information (lore and dialogues)
 * 20:27:40: DaBarkspawn: IIRC in Oblivion, there is one person per shrine who is the quest giver, but in Morrowind and Skyrim, the quest giver is the statue.
 * 20:27:48: Rozty: yeah, i was looking at that now too, and that seems to be the case
 * 20:27:57: Atvelonis: Perhaps it would be appropriate to keep Oblivion then, but remove the others
 * 20:28:03: Atvelonis: Because the others seem a bit arbitrary
 * 20:28:05: TinyClayMan: Agree
 * 20:28:09: DaBarkspawn: Agree
 * 20:28:19: Atvelonis: MW/SK/ON were all created probably to be in sync with Oblivion when in reality Oblivion happens to be a special case
 * 20:28:31: Rozty: it seems so
 * 20:28:34: TinyClayMan: What about other faction categories for Morrowind, Rozty?
 * 20:28:44: DaBarkspawn: Yes, the other two games are good. :P :P :P
 * 20:29:26: Rozty: well, i can go through them now and see what one is good and what one isn't, but it all falls down to if they are in the CS or not
 * 20:29:46: Atvelonis: Most of them are in the CS?
 * 20:29:56: Atvelonis: Or will we be doing a lot of cat-culling here?
 * 20:29:59: Atvelonis: so to speak
 * 20:30:01: Rozty: Factions_(Morrowind) here, the factions in the game
 * 20:30:23: Rozty: ok, that showed up weird but the link still works so whatever
 * 20:30:23: TinyClayMan: Was that page checked?
 * 20:30:42: Atvelonis: What would we do for "Morrowind: Ahemmusa Tribe Members"?
 * 20:30:54: Atvelonis: They're Ashlanders but seem to have their own little group
 * 20:31:02: Atvelonis: I can't remember anything about Morrowind's factions
 * 20:31:08: Rozty: the tribe members should all be merged into ashlander members from what i see
 * 20:31:09: DaBarkspawn: They are not a faction
 * 20:31:16: DaBarkspawn: exactly what Rozty says
 * 20:31:20: DaBarkspawn: they are Ashlanders
 * 20:31:30: Rozty: great houses stay the same
 * 20:31:43: Rozty: as well as guilds
 * 20:31:56: Nekyn Alb: Having categories for the different Tribe Members could be neat though
 * 20:32:05: DaBarkspawn: The game doesn't distinguish mechanically between Ahemmusa and Zainab members
 * 20:32:16: DaBarkspawn: they are all Ashlanders and use Ashlander ranks
 * 20:32:18: Rozty: ordinators are not a faction but a class, also
 * 20:32:30: DaBarkspawn: Temple Faction
 * 20:33:24: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 20:33:41: Atvelonis: Any other questions pertaining to this topic?
 * 20:34:05: Rozty: i guess different categories for ashlander tribes would be good? i don't really have an opinion over this
 * 20:34:21: Atvelonis: Maybe as subcategories of Morrowind: Ashlanders
 * 20:34:30: DaBarkspawn: subcat wfm
 * 20:34:31: Rozty: they are easy to categorise even if the game doesn't distinguish them
 * 20:34:34: Rozty: yeah
 * 20:34:55: DaBarkspawn: does that imply ordinators are a subcat of Temple?
 * 20:35:08: Rozty: so would we be putting both the ashlander and tribe category be the case for that or just the trive
 * 20:35:12: Rozty: tribe*
 * 20:35:30: Rozty: uhh hold on, i'll chekc
 * 20:35:36: Atvelonis: Just the tribe. Ashlander would be overarching
 * 20:35:51: Atvelonis: But in Morrowind: Characters by Faction, only Morrowind: Ashlanders would be listed as an immediate subcategory
 * 20:36:03: Rozty: https://gyazo.com/57c6f9ffea76254528bc6c8f873afeb1
 * 20:36:25: Rozty: no, it doesn't, it seems there are ordinators that are not in the temple faction, which is weird but eh
 * 20:36:39: DaBarkspawn: Beth being inconsistent as usual
 * 20:36:43: Rozty: yes
 * 20:37:07: DaBarkspawn: _They are consistently inconsistent_
 * 20:37:35: Atvelonis: Ok. So to summarize, the proposal is to remove categories in https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Morrowind:_Characters_by_Faction which are not backed up by the game's Construction Set, adding any appropriate subcategories to large faction categories, if necessary. The proposal also includes a clause to remove the "Daedra Worshippers" category for Morrowind, Skyrim, and Online, but not Oblivion.
 * 20:37:36: Atvelonis: Good?
 * 20:37:49: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 20:37:52: Rozty: (+)
 * 20:38:00: Rozty: vote people
 * 20:38:08: Atvelonis: Ah I miss Crusader and his magic ping
 * 20:38:09: DaBarkspawn: (+)
 * 20:38:20: Rozty: wait, i think i can recall the magic png
 * 20:38:21: Atvelonis: @bronkiin @renz @poisoned apples @nekyn @tinyclayman
 * 20:38:36: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 20:38:42: DaBarkspawn: are you sure it isn't a magic jpg?
 * 20:38:48: Atvelonis: heh
 * 20:38:50: Atvelonis: 4-0-0
 * 20:38:50: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 20:38:51: Rozty: (thinking) could be
 * 20:38:54: Atvelonis: 5-0-0
 * 20:39:20: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:39:25: Rozty: [[Atvelonis

Bronkiin Away

DaBarkspawn Away

KINMUNE

Nekyn Alb Away

Poisoned apples

RenzXVI Away

TinyClayMan Away | ]] did it work
 * 20:39:30: Rozty: heck
 * 20:39:48: Rozty: i could've sworn it's like this
 * 20:39:56: Atvelonis: It was something like that
 * 20:40:03: Atvelonis: 6-0-0
 * 20:40:22: Rozty: well, anyway it seems to have passed so i'll be moving on to my next topic
 * 20:40:53: Rozty: "Organising all museum items (ex. Uzdabikh's Helm (Item)) from Online into one page, similar with Stolen Items and quest items."
 * 20:40:57: DaBarkspawn: I'll hang out, but all of the rest of the topics are Online, which I have no experience with and thus no legit opinion on
 * 20:41:08: Rozty: it's ok, i have examples
 * 20:41:11: TinyClayMan: Oh
 * 20:41:15: TinyClayMan: Instant (+)
 * 20:41:18: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 20:41:22: TinyClayMan: But wait
 * 20:41:27: Rozty: ok that didn't take long
 * 20:41:28: Atvelonis: no concerns from me
 * 20:41:30: TinyClayMan: Are there any pages on them?
 * 20:41:32: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:41:42: TinyClayMan: Last time I checked there weren't
 * 20:41:46: Atvelonis: There are apparently some now
 * 20:41:51: DaBarkspawn: Consider me (=) on everything online
 * 20:41:53: Rozty: yes, dagonator has been creating some and they look really lacking
 * 20:41:57: TinyClayMan: Ah
 * 20:42:10: Rozty: they aren't stubs either so i guess there isn't anythying else to add
 * 20:42:22: Rozty: big lists would be way better in those cases
 * 20:42:30: Atvelonis: Ikabite originally just created the book pages and left the items as redlinks, iirc
 * 20:42:33: Atvelonis: 2015ish
 * 20:42:49: Rozty: and since he has uploaded images i don't think it would hurt to include them as well
 * 20:43:00: Atvelonis: Agreed. Wouldn't want to delete those, they're good
 * 20:43:30: Atvelonis: What would the page be called?
 * 20:43:36: Rozty: museum items?
 * 20:43:41: TinyClayMan: No
 * 20:43:45: Rozty: *w h y*
 * 20:43:47: TinyClayMan: That is a category for items
 * 20:43:53: Rozty: heck
 * 20:43:59: TinyClayMan: There are other museum items too
 * 20:44:03: Rozty: since when and why isn't it used
 * 20:44:17: Atvelonis: Museum Artifacts maybe?
 * 20:44:21: TinyClayMan: My suggestion for the name is "House of Orsimer Glories Museum Items"
 * 20:44:25: TinyClayMan: Or something like that
 * 20:45:00: Rozty: but this isn't the only musuem in the game right
 * 20:45:10: Atvelonis: There are a few museums yes
 * 20:45:17: Rozty: isn't there one in vvardenfell as well
 * 20:45:20: Atvelonis: There's one in Thieves Guild I think
 * 20:45:23: TinyClayMan: *Other example for museum items, iirc, are that automaton parts*
 * 20:45:49: KINMUNE: Hello there, MrRiddle0!
 * 20:45:52: Atvelonis: Hi
 * 20:45:57: Rozty: *aka those things that have been taking away my inventory space since forever*
 * 20:46:02: Atvelonis: I think it would be fine to group them all together then?
 * 20:46:10: Atvelonis: Museum Items or Museum Artifacts
 * 20:46:18: Atvelonis: With H2s for each museum
 * 20:46:22: Rozty: yes, i don't think there would be too many of them to need mutiple pages
 * 20:46:31: Atvelonis: ==House of Orsimer Glories==

whatever the one in Vvardenfell is called
etc. 2) House of Orsimer Glories 3) Stolen Items in TG Those are probably all Museums or items? [[ Atvelonis
 * 20:46:37: Rozty: yeah
 * 20:46:38: Atvelonis: With tables under each
 * 20:47:33: Atvelonis: Is that good Tiny? I'm not clear if there are unrelated items called museum items as well (or something)
 * 20:47:44: TinyClayMan: I have another idea for that
 * 20:47:54: TinyClayMan: Similar to Quest Items (Online)
 * 20:48:15: Rozty: lel
 * 20:48:19: MrRiddle0: House of Orsimer glories artifacts?
 * 20:48:29: Rozty: so museum items (online)?
 * 20:48:37: Atvelonis: Oh, with subpages
 * 20:48:42: Atvelonis: Like https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Quest_Items_(Online)/Mages_Guild_Quest_Items
 * 20:48:43: Atvelonis: hmmm
 * 20:48:45: Rozty: oh
 * 20:48:52: Atvelonis: I don't know. Maybeeee... but how many museums are there?
 * 20:49:01: Rozty: wait, how many items per museum are there
 * 20:49:14: Atvelonis: Guessing ~20
 * 20:49:22: MrRiddle0: There are around 15 in Orsinium
 * 20:49:44: TinyClayMan: 1) That automaton
 * 20:50:11: Rozty: that's a good amount, would we really be needing subpages for all of those?
 * 20:50:20: Rozty: although the stolen items are a lot iirc
 * 20:50:25: TinyClayMan: Nonono
 * 20:50:31: TinyClayMan: Certain stolen items
 * 20:50:36: Atvelonis: https://i.gyazo.com/c8ff1da31f950ebf743ffa3204a932c6.png
 * 20:50:37: Rozty: yeah, i remember
 * 20:50:40: Atvelonis: Museum icon right?
 * 20:50:47: Atvelonis: How do we check how many of these there are
 * 20:50:50: MrRiddle0: Actually there are 20
 * 20:50:52: TinyClayMan: /What's that icon?
 * 20:51:04: Rozty: oof, i don't remember, i think it's used for other stuff as well
 * 20:51:14: TinyClayMan: >How do we check how many of these there are
 * 20:51:21: Atvelonis: The House of Orsimer Glories has it
 * 20:52:15: Atvelonis: Not sure if it's unique to museums actually
 * 20:52:25: Rozty: i don't think it is
 * 20:52:36: Rozty: i think i've seen it other times as well
 * 20:52:43: TinyClayMan: *can't say*
 * 20:53:07: Atvelonis: Ah found this: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Museums
 * 20:53:08: Rozty: so far we have talked about having subpages for each museum right?
 * 20:53:31: Atvelonis: I'm not exactly sure what connects all these places
 * 20:53:39: Rozty: gathering items
 * 20:54:02: Atvelonis: But you gather items all the time in ESO don't you?
 * 20:54:04: Rozty: i think the devs have also referred to them as "museums" as well
 * 20:54:07: Atvelonis: O
 * 20:54:28: Rozty: iirc it was in livestream and they were talking about how fun they were to make after the morrowind chatper?
 * 20:54:59: Rozty: so they wanted to add more with the new ones, and seeing how murkmire apparently has one i'm guessing this is it
 * 20:55:46: Atvelonis: So if we use that categorization then that's 7 museums
 * 20:55:55: Atvelonis: Each of which have maybe 20 items each, give or take
 * 20:56:33: TinyClayMan: Something like that, yes
 * 20:56:37: Atvelonis: I think that's not necessarily too much to fit on one page
 * 20:56:43: Atvelonis: The quest item pages often have more like 50 per
 * 20:56:51: Rozty: yeah i think so too
 * 20:57:20: Rozty: does that mean we are back at deciding the name?
 * 20:57:40: Atvelonis: I think Museum Items works?
 * 20:57:54: Rozty: yes it should, shouldn't it?
 * 20:57:59: Atvelonis: And we could make a "Museums" page as well
 * 20:58:04: Rozty: *also there is no category with such a name*
 * 20:58:06: Atvelonis: Or Museums (Online) if there are other Museums in TES
 * 20:58:19: TinyClayMan: That museum in Tribunal
 * 20:58:26: Rozty: o right
 * 20:58:33: Rozty: and the one from shivering isles
 * 20:59:09: Atvelonis: So maybe just a page called "Museums" listing all museums in TES
 * 20:59:14: Atvelonis: disambig
 * 20:59:23: Atvelonis: w/ a bunch of bullets for ESO
 * 20:59:27: TinyClayMan: *I hope noone creates museums (Skyrim) for consistency - player usually collects 1-2 items for those*
 * 20:59:28: Rozty: oh, that's better\
 * 21:00:13: Rozty: *let's decide now that no one should do that and we can rest easy that they won't be able to until they create a CT* (kappa)
 * 21:00:28: Atvelonis: Welcome
 * 21:00:37: Atvelonis: Yes alright
 * 21:00:45: Atvelonis: Other issues? Or are we set to vote?
 * 21:00:49: The-Nord-In-Rags: Howdy
 * 21:01:03: Rozty: i think we should be good
 * 21:01:06: Rozty: hello there
 * 21:01:08: TinyClayMan: What is the summary?
 * 21:01:12: Atvelonis: One second
 * 21:02:35: Atvelonis: Ok. So the proposal is to merge all museum items (for each DLC region) into a list on one page called "Museum Items," instead of having individual pages for them. We will also created a disambig called "Museums" listing the museums in ESO and other games, but not game-specific lists of museums.
 * 21:02:57: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:03:08: Rozty: ok everyone voting time (and second time pls work)

Bronkiin Away

DaBarkspawn Away

KINMUNE

Nekyn Alb Away

Poisoned apples Away

RenzXVI Away

The-Nord-In-Rags

TinyClayMan Away|]] You collect those items and place them in the museum I'm most likely wrong http://esoitem.uesp.net/viewlog.php?action=view&record=npcLoot&id=858917 They are actually Online: Collectibles
 * 21:03:12: Atvelonis: haha
 * 21:03:15: Rozty: ffs
 * 21:03:19: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:03:22: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:03:28: Atvelonis: (+) or (=) or (-) to vote btw, TNR
 * 21:03:40: Atvelonis: Hi
 * 21:03:40: Atvelonis: 3-0-0
 * 21:03:55: The-Nord-In-Rags: (+)
 * 21:04:14: Atvelonis: 4-0-0
 * 21:04:16: Atvelonis: vote people
 * 21:04:23: Atvelonis: Bronkiin get your damn food already
 * 21:04:30: Rozty: can i just
 * 21:04:32: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:04:34: Rozty: O
 * 21:04:43: Rozty: it worked, i remembered how to do the magic ping
 * 21:04:50: Atvelonis: 5-0-0
 * 21:04:55: Atvelonis: Did it work? What did you do?
 * 21:04:59: Nekyn Alb: I wasn't pinged
 * 21:05:09: Rozty: i left a space after the | but not before
 * 21:05:21: Rozty: i didn't ping anyone this time
 * 21:05:24: DaBarkspawn: (=)
 * 21:05:33: Atvelonis: 5-1-0
 * 21:05:53: The-Nord-In-Rags: The second time I have seen you you swear Atve. It's weird every time
 * 21:06:15: Rozty: til that damn is a swear word
 * 21:06:35: Atvelonis: It is a swear word... just not a very offensive one. I wouldn't use it in front of a professor
 * 21:07:00: Atvelonis: It's like a worse version of "darn." Or really "darn" is an unoffensive version of "damn"
 * 21:07:02: Atvelonis: anyway
 * 21:07:10: Rozty: ok, it just dawned on me that i have the next topic
 * 21:07:20: Atvelonis: If there are no more votes then we can move on
 * 21:07:32: Atvelonis: Hold off for one minute actually I need to grab something to munch on
 * 21:07:44: Rozty: i want to rename stolen items to treasure since that's how they appear in the game
 * 21:07:49: Rozty: heck
 * 21:07:59: TinyClayMan: (kappa)
 * 21:08:22: Rozty: *the first thing i do once we vote on this is go grab something to eat*
 * 21:08:40: TinyClayMan: Shall it be "Treasure" or "Treasure Items"?
 * 21:08:48: Rozty: (thinking)
 * 21:09:04: Rozty: would it be confusing for players if it was just treasure?
 * 21:09:21: The-Nord-In-Rags: Welcome
 * 21:09:24: Rozty: both sound just fine to me
 * 21:09:27: Rozty: o.
 * 21:09:39: Atvelonis: Ok back
 * 21:09:41: Atvelonis: Hi
 * 21:09:48: Atvelonis: I'd prefer Treasure Items
 * 21:09:53: Atvelonis: Less ambiguous
 * 21:09:59: Rozty: that's true
 * 21:10:31: Rozty: *btw that also means renaming the 20 something subpages as well*
 * 21:10:34: Atvelonis: Are there a lot of links to these pages?
 * 21:10:37: Atvelonis: Task for the bot perhaps?
 * 21:10:41: Atvelonis: If it's only a few for each then maybe not
 * 21:11:07: Atvelonis: I'm pretty sure that you can cascade rename. Pretty sure
 * 21:11:11: Atvelonis: I know that you can cascade protect at least
 * 21:11:23: TinyClayMan: Pages that link to them should also be changed
 * 21:11:27: Rozty: i think they have only been used for references so far so they shouldn't be large in number
 * 21:11:32: Atvelonis: Ah yes https://i.gyazo.com/a75e7033a8cebff2f11e5f1a07b65527.png
 * 21:11:38: Atvelonis: Can rename up to 100 subpages
 * 21:11:45: Atvelonis: Not sure if this is a sysop right or what
 * 21:11:47: Atvelonis: But it can be done
 * 21:11:51: Rozty: nice
 * 21:12:22: Atvelonis: All good then?
 * 21:12:29: Rozty: btw, this is linked to the museum items we talked about before but it seems they are also listed in the main stolen items page
 * 21:12:55: DaBarkspawn: For "reason" put "because I said so"
 * 21:13:01: Atvelonis: Kari's Hit List?
 * 21:13:03: Rozty: is your internet ok there poisoned apples
 * 21:13:06: Rozty: yes, that's the one
 * 21:13:15: Poisoned apples: ehh what did I miss
 * 21:13:27: TinyClayMan: Stolen Items is a list for "Treasure" type items
 * 21:13:29: Rozty: nothing much, just a line or two
 * 21:13:35: Atvelonis: We could put a ==See also== section linking to Museum Items
 * 21:13:41: Atvelonis: As they appear to be different
 * 21:13:45: TinyClayMan: Items on Kari's hit list are considered to be Treasure
 * 21:13:53: Atvelonis: ??
 * 21:13:57: Atvelonis: I thought they were museum items
 * 21:14:06: Rozty: but wasn't the thieves guild museum that hit list?
 * 21:15:11: TinyClayMan: Well
 * 21:15:22: Rozty: *so it's both*
 * 21:15:25: TinyClayMan: But they are still marked as "Treasure"
 * 21:15:28: Atvelonis: Are all museum items treasure items?
 * 21:15:32: Atvelonis: Or just Kari's hit list?
 * 21:15:37: Rozty: no, just the list
 * 21:15:48: Atvelonis: So we could transclude it from the Museum Items list
 * 21:15:53: Atvelonis: good old onlyinclude
 * 21:16:00: TinyClayMan: Other Museum Items are ?Quest items?, iirc
 * 21:16:22: Rozty: but they can be displayed in that fancy den so they should also be listed as museum items right?
 * 21:16:25: Atvelonis: Yeah
 * 21:16:31: Atvelonis: Transclusion should be fine though
 * 21:16:46: Atvelonis: We could set it up so that Kari's hit list has around it on the museum items page
 * 21:16:57: Atvelonis: And then do on the treasure items page under a kari's hit list section
 * 21:17:18: Rozty: oh that sounds good
 * 21:17:18: Atvelonis: Thus getting the content on each page while having it stored on only 1 (less maintenance)
 * 21:17:21: Atvelonis: yeah
 * 21:17:35: TinyClayMan: But should they remain in Sublists?
 * 21:17:40: Rozty: btw, it seems the current list also contains clues
 * 21:17:56: Rozty: wait, they are in the sublists right now?
 * 21:17:56: TinyClayMan: *On Museum Items: they are marked as Trophy*
 * 21:18:22: TinyClayMan: Subpages, I mean
 * 21:18:38: Atvelonis: Oh so this is the category you were talking about? https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AOnline%3A_Trophies
 * 21:18:45: Rozty: all i know is that my inventory doesn't consider them as quest items and refuses to let me store or drop them
 * 21:19:18: Atvelonis: That category is also collectibles I think
 * 21:19:22: Atvelonis: Not just things marked "trophy"
 * 21:19:32: KINMUNE: Hello there, CatholicPrincess15!
 * 21:19:34: Atvelonis: hi
 * 21:19:40: CatholicPrincess15: Hey!
 * 21:19:45: Atvelonis: And I guess if we're doing transclusion it might actually make sense to use subpages for Museum Items
 * 21:19:51: Atvelonis: in case we want to transclude other lists
 * 21:20:10: Atvelonis: because if we just set up onlyinclude for Kari's Hit List then if we want to transclude, idk, the House of Orsimer Glories then we can't
 * 21:20:16: Atvelonis: w/o putting them on a different page (afaik)
 * 21:20:48: Rozty: i guess it wouldn't hurt being consistent like this yeah
 * 21:21:46: Rozty: have we sorted everything out then?
 * 21:21:55: Atvelonis: I think so?
 * 21:22:09: TinyClayMan: On Category:Online: Trophies:
 * 21:22:19: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 21:22:22: Atvelonis: Should we rename that category then?
 * 21:22:24: Rozty: that's great
 * 21:22:35: TinyClayMan: We should
 * 21:22:37: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 21:22:49: Atvelonis: So, the proposal is to rename Stolen Items to Treasure Items, and also slightly amend the previous decision to actually have subpages for each museum on the Museum Items page, and also rename Category:Online Trophies to Category:Online: Collectibles.
 * 21:22:50: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:23:02: Atvelonis: (+) or (=) or (-) to vote
 * 21:23:03: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:23:07: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:23:17: DaBarkspawn: (=)
 * 21:23:20: Rozty: [[Atvelonis

Bronkiin Away

CatholicPrincess15

DaBarkspawn Away

KINMUNE

Nekyn Alb Away

Poisoned apples

RenzXVI Away

TinyClayMan Away| ]] Removal of categories Category:Online: Notes and Letters, Category:Online: Journals There are a couple of in-game categories for books in these subjective two Wikia.css change .WikiaArticle h3 {font-size:20px; font-weight:bold;} .WikiaArticle h4 {font-size:16px; font-weight:bold;} it will be .WikiaArticle h1 {font-size:24px} .WikiaArticle h2 {font-size:18px} .WikiaArticle h3 {font-size:16px; font-weight:bold;} .WikiaArticle h4 {font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;} smh do it here
 * 21:23:23: Rozty: why
 * 21:23:30: Poisoned apples: I missed this topic (=)
 * 21:23:31: Atvelonis: maybe put it inside an emoji
 * 21:23:37: DaBarkspawn: lol
 * 21:23:42: Atvelonis: 3-2-0
 * 21:24:02: Atvelonis: We need at least 4 to pass if 2 of you are voting neutral
 * 21:24:10: Atvelonis: nekyn stop being afk
 * 21:24:19: Atvelonis: et al
 * 21:24:25: CatholicPrincess15: I don't know how to make a plus.
 * 21:24:30: Rozty: *nekyn save pls, i don't want to present this again next month*
 * 21:24:31: CatholicPrincess15: +
 * 21:24:32: TinyClayMan: DaBarkspawn: you can act as a jury - if you read everything and found it sensible you can vote ( + )
 * 21:24:40: CatholicPrincess15: ( + )
 * 21:24:47: Rozty: without the space
 * 21:24:47: Atvelonis: do what you just did but without the spaces
 * 21:24:53: CatholicPrincess15: (+)
 * 21:24:56: CatholicPrincess15: AHA!
 * 21:24:57: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:24:59: Atvelonis: 5-2-0
 * 21:25:09: Rozty: nice
 * 21:25:27: Rozty: you guys just narrowly escaped another hour long topic from me
 * 21:25:39: Rozty: be happy, i'll only have two next month now
 * 21:26:03: Atvelonis: look who decided to show up
 * 21:26:06: Atvelonis: I kid. welcome
 * 21:26:08: Rozty: well well well
 * 21:26:19: RhodiumOdi: I didn’t completely forget about the moot, what?
 * 21:26:22: Atvelonis: If that's all the votes for this proposal then I think we can move on
 * 21:26:28: Atvelonis: TinyClayMan you had some stuff?
 * 21:26:34: TinyClayMan: I did, a moment
 * 21:26:50: Rozty: tiny still has to talk about stuff and i am going to grab something to eat so brb
 * 21:26:59: TinyClayMan: The first topic is
 * 21:27:32: TinyClayMan: As they are very subjective and were added only to be consistent with other games
 * 21:28:17: Atvelonis: Also confuses things, what with Online: Notes and Memos being an Eidetic Memory subcategory
 * 21:28:35: Atvelonis: iirc this was brought up some time ago but for some reason was forgotten about
 * 21:28:47: Atvelonis: I don't really have a problem with it
 * 21:28:57: Atvelonis: Will be easy to remove the categories with the bot
 * 21:29:18: CatholicPrincess15: Yay Kinmune!
 * 21:29:45: RhodiumOdi: Anyone have any problems with removing them?
 * 21:29:53: TinyClayMan: >Online: Notes and Memos being an Eidetic Memory subcategory
 * 21:30:12: TinyClayMan: So there is no need to keep them
 * 21:30:57: Atvelonis: Sooo the proposal is to remove Category:Online: Notes and Letters and Category:Online: Journals as they are arbitrary classifications in ESO and make things needlessly confusing.
 * 21:31:00: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:31:09: RhodiumOdi: (-)
 * 21:31:23: TinyClayMan: Huh?
 * 21:31:24: TinyClayMan: Why?
 * 21:31:37: Atvelonis: 1-0-1
 * 21:31:45: TinyClayMan: *that message is related to ( - )*
 * 21:31:49: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:31:53: KINMUNE: Hello there, TheBretonMage!
 * 21:31:54: Atvelonis: hi
 * 21:31:57: TinyClayMan: hello
 * 21:32:00: RhodiumOdi: meant neutral but I’m an idiot
 * 21:32:03: TheBretonMage: hey all
 * 21:32:05: RhodiumOdi: disregard
 * 21:32:08: Atvelonis: equals sign for neutral
 * 21:32:16: CatholicPrincess15: (+)
 * 21:32:23: Atvelonis: still 3-0-1 unless you recast my friend
 * 21:32:26: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 21:32:33: RhodiumOdi: (=)
 * 21:32:38: Atvelonis: 4-1-0
 * 21:32:40: RhodiumOdi: Aha!
 * 21:32:52: TheBretonMage: (+)
 * 21:32:59: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:33:03: Atvelonis: 6-1-0
 * 21:33:05: Rozty: haha, just in time
 * 21:33:55: Atvelonis: Mr. Slug you have not cast a vote yet
 * 21:34:07: Atvelonis: @Nekyn
 * 21:34:08: Nekyn Alb: (*)
 * 21:34:14: Nekyn Alb: Slug already pings me :p
 * 21:34:21: Atvelonis: nice
 * 21:34:25: Rozty: nice
 * 21:34:27: TinyClayMan: nice
 * 21:34:32: TheBretonMage: cool
 * 21:34:37: Rozty: ban
 * 21:34:44: Atvelonis: (banhammer)
 * 21:34:45: TinyClayMan: gureito
 * 21:34:47: Atvelonis: darn
 * 21:34:48: Rozty: you broke the chain
 * 21:34:58: Atvelonis: (hammer)
 * 21:35:00: Nekyn Alb: So they aren't in eidetic memory?
 * 21:35:16: Rozty: no, i remember we have discussed this before at one point
 * 21:35:17: Atvelonis: Online: Notes and Memos, Online: Houses, Shops, and Trade, etc. are
 * 21:35:25: Atvelonis: Online: Notes and Letters and Online: Journals are separate
 * 21:35:38: Nekyn Alb: (+) then
 * 21:35:43: Rozty: the naming is confusing as well
 * 21:35:45: Atvelonis: 7-1-0
 * 21:35:46: Atvelonis: Yes it is
 * 21:36:00: Atvelonis: Well if there are no more votes than we can proceed
 * 21:36:10: TinyClayMan: The second topic is
 * 21:36:31: TinyClayMan: The proposal is to change the sizes of h3 and h4
 * 21:36:52: TinyClayMan: in Wikia.css instead of
 * 21:37:01: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikia.css for reference
 * 21:37:24: Rozty: so decrease h3 by 4px and h4 by 2px?
 * 21:37:44: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 21:37:52: RhodiumOdi: Why?
 * 21:38:06: Rozty: i need to see how this looks like, can we do that?
 * 21:38:12: Atvelonis: How big is H2 right now?
 * 21:38:12: TinyClayMan: Right now h2 and h3 are mostly the same with h3 just not having the line
 * 21:38:29: TheBretonMage: So, make the text size smaller?
 * 21:38:33: Atvelonis: Just for the headers
 * 21:38:42: TinyClayMan: Wait, I'll check
 * 21:39:06: Atvelonis: In 2016 (or maybe 2015) Wikia changed the default font size for wikis on the platform
 * 21:39:26: Atvelonis: I forget the numbers exactly but it was raised from ~12 to ~14 (?????)
 * 21:39:31: TinyClayMan: Right now h2 is 20px
 * 21:39:32: Atvelonis: And headers grew as well
 * 21:39:48: Atvelonis: Our wiki kept the regular text the normal size though
 * 21:39:52: Atvelonis: But our headers got bigger
 * 21:39:59: Atvelonis: lol I remember Sajuuk complaining about it
 * 21:40:07: Rozty: hold on, if h2 is currently 18 and h3 is 20 then why does it not look bigger to me
 * 21:40:28: Atvelonis: So I think this change is desirable. Gets things more consistent. Because right now our headers are too big for our text
 * 21:40:50: Rozty: https://gyazo.com/c6bf55853c54fba033936e662fa71df2
 * 21:41:04: Atvelonis: reee non-direct image link
 * 21:41:08: TinyClayMan: heh
 * 21:41:25: Rozty: *right that is a thing that exists*
 * 21:41:32: RhodiumOdi: angrey Atv
 * 21:41:44: Rozty: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223251578927316992/531225407685394443/unknown.png
 * 21:42:12: Rozty: are you happy now
 * 21:42:15: Atvelonis: yes
 * 21:42:20: Rozty: nice
 * 21:42:35: Atvelonis: Any questions about this topic?
 * 21:42:48: CatholicPrincess15: I'm good.
 * 21:43:09: TinyClayMan: *more about this topic can be found by searching for h2 in #offtopic in Discord. It is mroe detailed there*
 * 21:43:12: TinyClayMan: *more
 * 21:43:21: RhodiumOdi: feels a bit like change for change’s sake but I can’t really say I object
 * 21:43:35: CatholicPrincess15: Are we voting now?
 * 21:43:40: Atvelonis: one second
 * 21:43:46: Rozty: *still wanna see how it looks like*
 * 21:44:11: Rozty: also tiny i don't remember anything from discord pls send screenshots
 * 21:44:30: Atvelonis: So the proposal is, in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, to change the size of H2 headers from 20px to 18px, H3 headers from 20px to 16px, and H4 headers from 16px to 14px
 * 21:44:30: Rozty: *and how many days ago was that anyway*
 * 21:44:31: TinyClayMan: Sent one
 * 21:44:49: Atvelonis: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223251578927316992/531226490726252554/unknown.png
 * 21:44:51: Rozty: o
 * 21:44:55: TinyClayMan: It was on 14th of December
 * 21:45:03: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:45:35: TinyClayMan: Wait
 * 21:45:39: Atvelonis: ok
 * 21:45:41: TinyClayMan: In the summary there is no h1
 * 21:45:49: Atvelonis: We don't really use H1
 * 21:45:52: TheBretonMage: (=)
 * 21:45:59: TinyClayMan: For consistency
 * 21:46:00: Atvelonis: Is it being changed?
 * 21:46:08: TinyClayMan: From 36 to 28
 * 21:46:16: RhodiumOdi: (+)
 * 21:46:16: Atvelonis: you said 24 above
 * 21:46:25: Atvelonis: hold off on the votes for one second
 * 21:46:35: TinyClayMan: Sent screenshot to #general
 * 21:46:41: Atvelonis: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223251578927316992/531226967463428142/unknown.png
 * 21:46:51: TinyClayMan: *probably a mistake*
 * 21:47:01: TinyClayMan: Ah
 * 21:47:07: Rozty: godammit you lied to me, the only thing from december 14 on discord is that one sonic sload edit
 * 21:47:23: RhodiumOdi: *votes first* *asks people to hold off on voting*
 * 21:47:29: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 21:47:33: Atvelonis: yeah that's right. what are you gonna do about it
 * 21:47:44: Atvelonis: @Tiny: how about this
 * 21:47:46: Atvelonis: So the (real) proposal is, in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, to change the size of H1 headers from 36px to 28px, H2 headers from 20px to 18px, H3 headers from 20px to 16px, and H4 headers from 16px to 14px
 * 21:47:53: Atvelonis: Are those numbers correct?
 * 21:47:54: TheBretonMage: (impeachhsmmer)
 * 21:48:07: TheBretonMage: *hammer
 * 21:48:13: Rozty: hsmmer
 * 21:48:20: TinyClayMan: They are
 * 21:48:38: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 21:48:40: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:48:42: Atvelonis: Restart
 * 21:48:52: RhodiumOdi: (+)
 * 21:48:56: TheBretonMage: (-)
 * 21:49:01: Atvelonis: 2-0-1
 * 21:49:04: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:49:05: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:49:18: Poisoned apples: (+)
 * 21:49:21: Atvelonis: 5-0-1
 * 21:49:24: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:49:34: Rozty: ok last time should do it [[Atvelonis

Bronkiin Away

CatholicPrincess15 Away

DaBarkspawn Away

KINMUNE

MrRiddle0

Nekyn Alb Away

Poisoned apples

RenzXVI Away

RhodiumOdi

TheBretonMage

TinyClayMan Away| ]] Add the ability to edit in mobile mode Jauffre is not present and all other topics were discussed Goodbye, everyone
 * 21:49:39: Rozty: i hate this
 * 21:49:40: Atvelonis: without fail
 * 21:49:43: Atvelonis: it always fails
 * 21:49:48: Rozty: i mean, it worked before
 * 21:50:05: Atvelonis: I bet it's the line breaks that are messing with it
 * 21:50:06: Atvelonis: 6-0-1
 * 21:50:07: Rozty: if i do it like this it's fine
 * 21:50:14: DaBarkspawn: (=)
 * 21:50:15: Rozty: so what the heck
 * 21:50:21: Atvelonis: 6-1-1
 * 21:50:25: Atvelonis: I didn't get a ping just now
 * 21:50:34: Rozty: i pinge nekyn only
 * 21:50:47: MrRiddle0: ➕
 * 21:50:58: Atvelonis: do (+) to vote, Riddle
 * 21:51:01: Atvelonis: or = or -
 * 21:51:02: Rozty: howmst
 * 21:51:12: RhodiumOdi: ahaha
 * 21:51:22: MrRiddle0: (+)
 * 21:51:27: Atvelonis: 7-1-1
 * 21:51:27: MrRiddle0: magic
 * 21:51:47: Atvelonis: P.S. this change only affects desktop
 * 21:51:57: Atvelonis: Our custom CSS doesn't render on the mobile skins afaik
 * 21:51:59: Rozty: mobile was dead anyway
 * 21:52:11: Rozty: to me at least
 * 21:52:24: Atvelonis: Yeah I don't use it if I can avoid it
 * 21:52:36: RhodiumOdi: currently using mobile for chat
 * 21:52:37: TinyClayMan: Moot topic:
 * 21:52:54: Rozty: not up to us
 * 21:53:03: Rozty: also that one sucks
 * 21:53:05: RhodiumOdi: Special:Change my dood
 * 21:53:11: Rozty: wot
 * 21:53:17: Atvelonis: I regularly bother Wikia about that. Helps if other people contact them too though. Special:Contact/feedback
 * 21:53:21: MrRiddle0: Pros: it would be more convenient for someone like me who doesn’t have access to a computer all the time
 * 21:53:29: Atvelonis: I 100% support mobile editing in all forms
 * 21:53:31: RhodiumOdi: my copy and paste didn’t work rip
 * 21:53:35: Atvelonis: Even just a VE is better than nothing
 * 21:53:47: MrRiddle0: cons: it could increase the amount of vandalism
 * 21:53:55: CatholicPrincess15: (=)
 * 21:53:55: Rozty: cons: i suck at it
 * 21:54:17: Rozty: 7-2-1 the final then
 * 21:54:34: TinyClayMan: Passed
 * 21:54:39: Rozty: yeet
 * 21:54:43: Atvelonis: Our abusefilter catches most vandalism honestly
 * 21:54:47: Atvelonis: It's pretty thorough
 * 21:54:55: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/2
 * 21:55:15: Atvelonis: Aaaanyway
 * 21:55:17: MrRiddle0: i wonder how well it would even work on mobile? I mean it would probably be harder to add sources and such
 * 21:55:20: Rozty: 4chan is still there
 * 21:55:29: Atvelonis: indeed
 * 21:55:36: Atvelonis: @Riddle: it depends what sort of editor they added
 * 21:55:59: Atvelonis: If they added a WYSIWYG like the Visual Editor on desktop, they would have to come up with some stupid proprietary way of adding references
 * 21:56:10: Atvelonis: But if they added the Source editor then it would just be a matter of using the correct syntax
 * 21:56:15: Atvelonis: Source > VE any day
 * 21:56:36: Rozty: wait, can't you add references with VE?
 * 21:56:48: Atvelonis: Yeah but not fully
 * 21:56:51: Rozty: i've seen some of the names generated by the VE i think
 * 21:56:54: Rozty: oh
 * 21:56:54: Atvelonis: You can't name or group them to my knowledge
 * 21:57:03: Atvelonis: You can tell that they're VE refs because they're named "0" or "1" etc.
 * 21:57:08: Atvelonis: Very annoying to clean up
 * 21:57:18: Rozty: i hate them and i always change them
 * 21:57:29: Bronkiin: allo
 * 21:57:34: Bronkiin: We still mooting?
 * 21:57:36: Rozty: welcome back
 * 21:57:37: Atvelonis: lol
 * 21:57:40: Rozty: we done yo
 * 21:57:45: Bronkiin: Well
 * 21:57:46: Bronkiin: hi
 * 21:57:52: Rozty: why did it take you two hours to eat
 * 21:57:52: Atvelonis: Do we have any last-minute topics?
 * 21:57:52: DaBarkspawn: And there was much rejoicing
 * 21:57:57: Atvelonis: Can be anything
 * 21:58:02: MrRiddle0: I think the only reason it doesn’t currently exist is because it would require actual work by FANDOM to get right
 * 21:58:05: Rozty: *can i go*
 * 21:58:06: Atvelonis: You don't have to have signed up beforehand
 * 21:58:06: DaBarkspawn: Atv: should we discuss the end of Wikia chat?
 * 21:58:16: Rozty: (kappa)
 * 21:58:19: Bronkiin: cos played fifa with brother
 * 21:58:19: Atvelonis: Wouldn't hurt
 * 21:58:20: Bronkiin: and forgot
 * 21:58:26: Bronkiin: nooo
 * 21:58:29: Bronkiin: never end the chat
 * 21:58:34: Atvelonis: Wikia made a thread on central today: https://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1589008
 * 21:58:39: Atvelonis: Yesterday
 * 21:58:40: Bronkiin: keep it here as a superflous feature
 * 21:58:43: Bronkiin: a relic
 * 21:58:48: Atvelonis: Now they didn't actually say they were removing all Chats
 * 21:58:50: Atvelonis: Which is nice
 * 21:58:59: Atvelonis: But they're testing to see what Community Central is like without a Chat
 * 21:59:05: Rozty: how thoughtful of them
 * 21:59:11: Atvelonis: it's kinda foreshadowing that they're going to remove it overall
 * 21:59:14: Rozty: which is a weird change
 * 21:59:28: Poisoned apples: Why would they want to remove chat?
 * 21:59:28: Atvelonis: CC Chat is a hellhole but I'm still fond of Chat as a wholke
 * 21:59:31: Atvelonis: whole
 * 21:59:34: DaBarkspawn: I just think we should be prepared with a backup plan for moots
 * 21:59:44: Atvelonis: @PA: The code for Chat is extremely janky
 * 21:59:55: Atvelonis: Giant heap of spaghetti level janky
 * 22:00:06: RhodiumOdi: But if we have no chat, what excuse will Renz have to stay in the Slack channel?
 * 22:00:07: MrRiddle0: How does it benefit them to remove it when it would be far more logical to just make it useable on mobile
 * 22:00:08: Atvelonis: It's officially deprecated right now, like achievements, i.e. it exists but is not being worked on
 * 22:00:14: Bronkiin: Keep it as a monument to all the IamNoirs, the Sajuuks, the Shawn Cognitions, the xd abuse, the huge fights over whether swearing is allowed (fuck knows it should be)
 * 22:00:20: Rozty: that's true, although since we have a discord server already our backup is pretty much ready
 * 22:00:24: TinyClayMan: We just discussed headers which use code that is overwritten by other code
 * 22:00:33: RenzXVI: Wait what
 * 22:00:37: RhodiumOdi: Lol
 * 22:00:46: DaBarkspawn: What are the steps to officializing discord?
 * 22:01:11: Atvelonis: It would require a consensus track decision, which has various rules of its own
 * 22:01:14: Rozty: i'm thinking something along the lines of, step 1: say it's official
 * 22:01:16: RhodiumOdi: Any time Wikia mentions chat the first thing they talk about is how much of a bitch to work with it is
 * 22:01:18: Rozty: heck
 * 22:01:19: Atvelonis: Needs at least 10 votes, 2/3 supporting, blah blah
 * 22:01:25: Rozty: why does it have to be so complicated
 * 22:01:31: Atvelonis: And I would also want all the chat moderators to be on board with it
 * 22:01:39: Atvelonis: Because if Chat were removed then Discord would be their new place to moderate
 * 22:01:47: Atvelonis: If the server were to become official that is
 * 22:02:18: Rozty: it seems that wikia wants to abandon it though, so if it is removed we don't have much else to fall back on
 * 22:02:25: Atvelonis: IRC :P
 * 22:02:31: Atvelonis: That server's still official, technically
 * 22:02:32: MrRiddle0: Can’t we do the vote now?
 * 22:02:38: DaBarkspawn: Okay, I'm happy as long as we all know what the process is. We can postpone the actuality until if/when Wikia actually does the drop.
 * 22:02:41: Rozty: *does anyone even use that*
 * 22:02:45: MrRiddle0: (+)
 * 22:02:46: Atvelonis: Vote for what, Riddle?
 * 22:02:50: Atvelonis: Yes Rozty but not really
 * 22:02:56: DaBarkspawn: Personally, I'd rather use Slack than discord
 * 22:03:01: MrRiddle0: To make Discord official
 * 22:03:06: Atvelonis: Needs a CT
 * 22:03:07: DaBarkspawn: if IRC is on the table. ;)
 * 22:03:13: Atvelonis: Not something we can do in the moot. Too big
 * 22:03:16: MrRiddle0: rules
 * 22:03:43: Atvelonis: I like Slack a lot. Discord is more accessible though. Probably better suited for a community server than Slack
 * 22:03:56: Atvelonis: Slack is nice because you can go on it wherever and look like you're doing work. :P
 * 22:04:03: TinyClayMan: I think that concludes the moot.
 * 22:04:09: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 22:04:13: CatholicPrincess15: Nice being with you!
 * 22:04:15: Bronkiin: I officially close this moot
 * 22:04:25: RhodiumOdi: Slack > Discord
 * 22:04:34: MrRiddle0: I officially open it and close it
 * 22:04:35: Rozty: big talk coming from someone that played fifa instead of being here (kappa)
 * 22:04:40: DaBarkspawn: CP15: We're happy to have had you if you are happy to have been had.
 * 22:04:44: Atvelonis: Then by the power vested within me by Todd Howard and Jimbo Wales, I declare this moot to be done!
 * 22:04:46: TinyClayMan: (kappa)
 * 22:04:46: Atvelonis: damn it bronb
 * 22:04:55: Bronkiin: fucking bronb
 * 22:05:05: Atvelonis: @slugman or someone else who has been here the whole time, copy+paste the text of the moot into a pastebin if you don't mind
 * 22:05:09: Atvelonis: and share it here or somewhere
 * 22:05:17: Atvelonis: in case KINMUNE dies in the next 3 hours
 * 22:05:20: DaBarkspawn: I got it
 * 22:05:37: Atvelonis: great
 * 22:05:49: CatholicPrincess15: Kinmune might die?! This chat thing is happening NOW?! I thought it'd take a few months!
 * 22:06:13: Bronkiin: KINMUNE lives elsewhere
 * 22:06:13: MrRiddle0: Ours probably will last longer due to it being active
 * 22:06:13: Atvelonis: Oh no I was making a joke about Flightmare's internet cutting out occasionally and KINMUNE leaving Chat
 * 22:06:27: Atvelonis: She logs the Chat for us but has missed the moot more than once
 * 22:06:35: CatholicPrincess15: Oh phew.
 * 22:06:37: Bronkiin: Lazy, poor
 * 22:06:40: Bronkiin: probably playing Fifa
 * 22:06:41: Rozty: no, the chat thing won't happen now but it's good to discuss the possibility from now
 * 22:06:57: Rozty: KINMUNE, what are you doing right now?
 * 22:06:58: CatholicPrincess15: Okay. I just thought it was happening now and didn't get the joke. LOL
 * 22:06:59: KINMUNE: Not even remotely.
 * 22:07:06: Atvelonis: KINMUNE, that doesn't make sense.
 * 22:07:10: CatholicPrincess15: Aw Kinmune! <3
 * 22:07:13: Rozty: thanks KINMUNE, that made sense
 * 22:07:32: Atvelonis: /me punches KINMUNE
 * 22:07:34: KINMUNE: Yol Toor Shul!
 * 22:07:39: Poisoned apples: :O
 * 22:07:42: DaBarkspawn: @atvelonis: https://pastebin.com/Fs3waHVi
 * 22:07:45: Atvelonis: Thank you
 * 22:07:57: TinyClayMan: Alright
 * 22:08:09: Atvelonis: byebye
 * 22:08:09: Rozty: cya
 * 22:08:12: Rozty: o/
 * 22:08:16: CatholicPrincess15: Bye!
 * 22:08:27: DaBarkspawn: bye!
 * 22:08:35: Atvelonis: I forget how late the europeans have to stay up for this
 * 22:08:47: Atvelonis: It's like 1 am over there or something
 * 22:09:08: Atvelonis: Anyway I'm heading out too. Good moot o.
 * 22:09:13: Nekyn Alb: 23:09
 * 22:09:15: Bronkiin: 10 pm in England
 * 22:09:23: Bronkiin: then again, we're not European
 * 22:09:28: RenzXVI: darn it, discord crashed me.
 * 22:10:00: RenzXVI: Dunno if what I said crashed me, but it totally proves my point. Lol I said discord eats up a lot of resources for some reason https://i.imgur.com/syA3HOH.png
 * 22:21:31: KINMUNE: Hello there, Nekyn Alb!
 * 22:22:15: KINMUNE: Hello there, MrRiddle0!
 * 22:32:44: KINMUNE: Hello there, Blademaster Jauffre!
 * 22:39:54: KINMUNE: Hello there, TheBretonMage!
 * 22:40:19: TheBretonMage: Atve, how okd is Rhodium? He wanted you to confrim...
 * 22:40:29: TheBretonMage: *old *confrim
 * 22:40:41: TheBretonMage: confirm
 * 22:50:52: KINMUNE: Hello there, RhodiumOdi!