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A quest for knowledge
Hello I'd like to know if I could ask a question or two about Elder Scrolls History and I'm wondering if you are a knowledgeable source. These questions center around both the Dwemer, Daedra, and Nirn Gods, if you are familiar with these topics I would greatly appreciate your knowledge and understanding. That being said if you have a firm grasp of these topics I would then like to proceed with my questions, thank you -Luke

Second Segement: The whole Aedra/ Daedra is slightly confusing. So what I have gathered is there were originally 9 Gods including Lorkhan who was killed for creating Nirn? I would like to know why he was killed by the other Gods? And you say they fell from the Heavens, so does that mean there is some sort of supreme kingdom/ heaven more so than sovengrad where these creator gods came from? How did the Aedra allegedly come to be and what is there relationship with the Daedra. If Sithis is not a Daedra where does he fit into all of this, and does Sithis have a physical form? (Oh and I know Talos is the ninth "living" God not excepted currently by the empire I don't really need any info on him). Who exactly created the Elder Scrolls and why, was is the Eight Divine? I also read something kind of confusing about the gods regarding how there trapped on earth and Lorkhan is the heart of earth or something? And finally are we sure Lorkhan is dead and not trapped in possibly another dimension at least according to the legends...? Please if you can help clear some of these questions up I would be forever in your debt "citizen"... -Luke
 * Ah, well, I am kind of knowledgeable about these. The Dwemer are fairly easy to answer. They disappeared due to Kagrenac messing around with Lorkhan's heart (One of the Mages Guild quests in Morrowind confirms this). The Aedra and Daedra are a bit more complex however. Due to their immortal nature, its difficult to know exactly how they came to being. Some sources say that the Aedra fell from the heavens, some say that they have always been there. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 06:37, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * A quest for Knowledge Update: Okay you seem to know at least the basic materials, and I am very thankful for your response. But my real questions are more complicated and require more detail. I am aware that the Dwemer Dissipated due to unknown circumstances involving the Heart of Lorkhan (I believe the Dead God, the one who created Nirn?) Now I believe the Chimer and the Dwemer were at war with one another (Question: Why exactly?) and the Dwemer constructed some kind of Mechanical God using the Heart of Lorkhan (Question: Were they using this to batle the Chimer? And what exactly happened the the mechanical God and when). Then I believe I read the the Chimer became the Dunmer (Darkelves) or something, clarification of this would be also appreciated and why exactly were they turned into Dark Elves exactly. Most importantly in this segment I want to know what happened to the Heart of Lorkhan? Did it vanish with the Dwemer or is it still located somewhere in Tamerial?
 * Those questions are actually somewhat easy to answer, as they revolve around the core storyline of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. The Dwemer dissipated (except for one, who was visiting the Astral Planes at the time of the event). The reason they all disappeared though, is that their King, Kagrenac, was experimenting with the Heart of Lorkhan, and his experiments backfired unexpectedly. (Basically, he was messing with powers that should not be messed with). Yes, they were constructing a god using that device, Numidium, I think it was. Yes, Lorkhan was the one that created Nirn, too :) Okay, now, the Chimer and Dwemer were at war at the time due to major differences in beliefs (the Dunmer worshipped the Daedra, and the Dwemer worshipped profanities, such as the self-made god that they were trying to create. However, due to the fact that both groups were instrumental in the Four Score War against the Septim Empire, there was a close friendship between the two. The hero of the Chimer, Nerevar, was good friends with the king of the Dwemer. The Dwemer told him (what he thought was honestly) that they were not tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan. However, one of the major scientists was doing just that. Events there get a bit complicated. Dagoth Ur gets involved, showing the deciet to Nerevar. The Tribunal were there too, although they were mortal then. Then at some point during the Battle of Red Mountain (as it was known), the Dwemer were wiped out during an experiment, and Nerevar went inside the mountain to investigate. He came back with Lorkhan's heart to his generals. They then betrayed him, as they sought immortality. They succeeded in doing so, and became the Tribunal that was worshipped by the Tribunal Temple. Azura, the Daedric Princess, was furious by the betrayal of her favourite hero (Nerevar), and in her anger, turned the Chimer into Dunmer (the Dark Elves, also known as "the cursed ones"). (Oh, and the heart no longer exists in Tamriel. It was killed at the end of the storyline of Morrowind, in order to kill the evil (the heart of lorkhan drove him insane), Dagoth Ur.
 * Thats the end of the first part (the part I can answer). As for the Aedra and the Heavens: Noone actually knows this. I know that noone killed him. I believe (but this cant be proven conclusively as sources are extremely sketchy) that he was killed during the creation of Nirn. The Aedra apparently fell from heavens as seen in this book, but again, its inconclusive. As for the heavens - Noone actually knows for certain. Indeed, that, and the creation of the Aedra, are mysteries that have not yet been explained in full.
 * The Elder Scrolls is even tricker still. To quote from the librarian in the College of Winterhold: They just ARE. No explanation can be given as to why, other than that they are fragments left over from creation. Ah, I hope this clears things up a little bit. Unfortunately, it probably doesnt. A lot of this stuff is very sketch, as there are very few (if any) sources that attempt to explain them. Then again, considering how far apart from the game series this information is, we're lucky to have ANY explanation :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:03, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * p.s. I almost had a heart attack when it said it couldnt post my massive wall-of-text explanation due to an edit conflict! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:03, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hahaha I'm so sorry, you have no idea how many times something like that has happened to me on a site like facebook XD. I'm very fortunate you were able to post this information, and I am in your debt for it. This helped put things in a better perspective for me, my first Elder Scrolls game was Morrowind and I was an still am very fond of it. But honestly back then I never even tried the story, I just went around all the towns slaughtering gaurds and towns folk. In some aspects it allowed you more freedom than the Elder Scrolls games of today seeing as how you were able to kill ANYONE (even quest characters) and murder people in there homes without the guards knowing. But playing Oblivion so many years later I actually played the story and have developed a strong fondness of both the Fallout and Elder Scrolls Stories. This being said I feel as though I missed out on a key bit of Elder Scrolls History I would have benefited from. Also to be clear, Skyrim's elder scroll dealing with Alduin was the last Elder Scroll prophecy known of correct? It was supposed to be the last scroll telling the end of the world right? If so does that mean there are no more known prophecies in the Elder Scolls series? As for Lorkhan this is said in I believe the History segment of this elder scrolls wiki "Altmer legend details the anger the remaining Aedra had towards Lorkhan once Nirn had been created. As punishment, they imprisoned him and tore out his heart, intending to destroy it. However, the Aedra were present on Nirn, and Nirn itself was the remnants of Lorkhan's body. Thus, his Heart was literally the Heart of the World, and could not be destroyed. Instead, the Aedra threw the heart down to earth, intending to bury it forever" so I have to wonder if there might be something possibly true in reading that or are the elves full of shit lol. And lastly I would then be correct in saying that no one knows what happened to the Dwemer and Sithis's place is uncertain? -Luke
 * Heh. Its all good :) I have played Morrowind ... well, more than a few times, so there has been enough time for me to develop a fairly good understanding of the storyline involved. With regards for the Elder Scrolls - um, I dont know? I dont recall them ever saying that this was the last one? (As far as I know, they can keep cranking them out for as long as they feel that they want too). That, or they could always go to an earlier point in time. (For me though, I'd love to have the expansion/next game taking place in Valenwood or somewhere, with the fight being taken to the Aldmeri Dominion themselves. (Heck, there could even be a questline option as to whether or not you help the Thalmor or work against them :D) As for the Elves and Lorkhan, though - its possible that they are, however, remember that all of this took place in the "Dawn Era" when record keeping was extremely spotty (oral history or worse). So events are likely to have been heavily altered if not completely fancified. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 03:29, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hope I'm not intruding, but I just put the skill book Battle of Red Mountain page up 2 days ago, it is a transcript of Vivec talking during an interogation and explains the final fight between the Chimer and Dwemer. Included is the story of how the Tribunal became gods and all of Chimer becoming Dunmer. p.s. Was wondering why it took so long for you talk page to load. Neguy71inok (talk) 04:00, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * You are not intruding at all, Neguy71inok! Thanks for adding it as well. Somehow I missed it out of the Morrowind books (that and the Charwich letters are just about LITERALLY the only ones that werent already added. Still, thanks! It helps to supplement the storyline of Morrowind. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 04:05, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank u Timeoin, although I never had a doubt that Bethesda wouldn't make more elder scrolls games. I just though that this was the last ""Elder Scroll" once the Dragons returned to Tamriel but hell I could be mistaken. Thanks again, I'll probally have more questions soon but I'll give you a break for now :)


 * A Quest for Knowledge part 2: Puppet of Sithis

Hey Timeoin it's Luke again, I joined and am now "EnwaFetcher" haha so I'll sign with my screen name now. I've done some further reading and taken the quest for knowledge into my own hands, trying to figure out where Sithis fits into the whole realm of Gods in the Elder Scrolls games. But I want to make sure I have my facts about the beliefs and legends straight. Reading the page "Sithis (Book)" under the paragraphs within "Content" it comes to my attention there is perhaps an interesting spin on the idea of the Adera. First I need to know if I have a rough understanding of Sithis though. Sithis is basically not so much necessarily a being but something of a void and before him was nothing "stasis" (and or is he the same nothingness as well?). Then to my understanding Sithis took the nothing and created the opportunity of endless possibilities (like ideas, with this also having the possibility never to materialize) letting them drift into the nothing and fade away gradually becoming nothing. Continuing in this fashion until one of these possibilities/ ideas "became jealous and did not want to die" than manifested itself becoming Anui-El (Akatosh) and "made friends" being originally other ideas/possibilities that manifested becoming as some mortals would call them "The Eight Divine". Thus disrupting the cycle and the natural order of things (in a sense defying Sithis) creating the first idea of life yet even more than that seeing as how they were "Immortals" I assume making the first creation of Life one without in fact death. Then the Adera basically took hold of every possibility (maybe even more so taking away the possibility of death) for there on wills, creating and generating "everlasting realms of imperfection". The Adrea created what the people of nirn know as the universe, again defying the natural order and Sithis. So Sithis created Lorkhan to "destroy the universe", however it seems that rather than destroy in the sense we might think of it, it however rather means setting back the natural order of things to the cycle (destroying immortality kind of). So Lorkhan deceived the Eight into thinking himself one of them; afterwards he spread the ideas of mortality and thus created Nirn in the process.

Then this is where I tried to piece the rest of the puzzle together in the most logical sense I could based off the previous knowledge I had. Once the threat of mortality was created; reestablishing the natural order the Adrea probably caught wind of his "treachery" and tore out his heart casting him to earth however yet he was still successful in his mission of re-setting the balance closer to what the cycle once was... And depending of what you believe the Adera became part of Nirn as well basically meaning they lost immortality as well ?... Kinda sorta? Help please, the Green Mage NEEDS FOOD BADLY! THE GREEN MAGE IS ABOUT TO DIE! - Gauntlet Dark Legacy lol EnwaFetcher (talk) 05:09, December 9, 2011 (UTC) ps. I posted this several days ago and I'm wondering if you just haven't seen it or haven't had a chance to respond to it? thanks


 * Eh, sorry about not responding. In all honesty, I dont know how to. As I said earlier - its very very difficult to answer this type of thing, because what we know about it is so far from any possible credible sources its not even funny. There are only about half a dozen sources that even touch upon them, and of those, most make only a fleeting reference. The rest are mainly all conjecture or biased, which makes them highly uncredible as sources of "definitive" knowledge. In short: We probably wont ever really know the TRUE source of the Aedra, and perhaps it is better that we dont. They (Bethesda) like to keep the air of mystery around some aspects of the game, to make it all the more entertaining to play Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 23:19, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * hahaha it's ok, I know no one really knows anything for certain involving the Aedra. What I was asking is if my understanding of the lore according to that book and or certain individuals is correct. I understand there is allot of mystery surrounding the creation of Nirn and or the Adera/ Daedra and nothing is certain, Im just wondering if I understand this particular view point correctly. If you dont know its ok, but I read the contents from one of the Elder Scrolls Wiki's pages and figured if anyone would know it would be Tim. Thanks anyway for your response EnwaFetcher (talk) 23:40, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies. In this matter, I do not know :( (Possibly because I'm sick atm?) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 23:44, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well then I thank you friend and hope you recover well EnwaFetcher (talk) 01:33, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

A question about item pages
Hiya Timeoin. One of the projects I have set for myself is updating the leather page and doing a page for the hides/ pelts. Right now there are pages (with no content) for several of the hides/ pelts individually. I was going to make a single page to list all of the hides/ pelts and put their respective info & pictures as apposed to 13 pages. But before I do I wanted to know what the Wiki wants. If we want a single page per item with a list page I can do that. Or if we just want a single page with all the info, I can do that. Also, as the game uses 'hide' and 'pelt', I dont know if we want to split it that way or just make a redirect. (I think I count 8 pelts & 5 hides). Your thoughts? DLanyon (talk) 11:27, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heya Timeoin. Thanks for the quick response. Excellent sugestion on the Tanning page and the linking. I will get to working on it shortly. And I'll tie in the current Leather page to them. DLanyon (talk) 12:33, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Patroller
Well, what does a partoller do? I am guessing i get red exclamation marks in front of each edit and will need to mark them as patrolled?

That would shure make things easier.

Also i was kind of feeling bad for getting all those achivements without bringing new content to the wikia.

I would not mind terribly to patrol a bit, but when someone fakes statistics i might not have the knowledge to recognize wrong numbers.

°pet-troller undoes your edits :P°

regards --Loonix (talk) 13:54, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, i have no objections seeing that it will give me neighter more pain nor gain. Patroller Loonix reporting for duty. --Loonix (talk) 14:06, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Undelete
Hey there! I was wondering if you could undelete Hunter. At first, I agreed that the page was bogus, but yesterday, I encountered several Skyrim enemies named as Hunter. The information on the page before it was delete contained some inaccuracies, but it could be cleaned up and made into a pretty good article. So yeah, that's my opinion. :) --— Radical D  (bother \  stalk)  15:23, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't see a Hunter page, but today added the page Hunters as part of the tanning section I'm working on. If there is a hunter page, once you undelete it I'll look at the info and merge it with Hunters and add the redirect unless you want to. --DLanyon (talk) 06:51, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Weapons from mods?
Are we allowed to make pages about weapons you can make through mods? Such as the weapons here http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1935

Since they're not in the vanilla game, that makes is questionable as to put it here. I feel it'll be unimportant to the console players but PC players will definitely like to know that they can make Dragon weapons.

What is your take on this?

Spartan5811 (talk) 15:30, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Books
Yeah, I will. lol. When I'm done going through my inventory of books, that is very soon, I'll add author (fairly obvious sometimes), price, weight, etc. Btw, where do people find the full text of books? On the UESP? Or do they type it themselves? Justinius1 (talk) 03:12, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

I never really believed that they'd type it themselves... so I'm guessing that many are probably full of typos. Anyway, should the text from books be in italics? Thanks. Justinius1 (talk) 03:26, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Haha, it was a small error as I don't have the game infront of me and I needed quick directions to Bthalft - the copy/paste must have included the url by accident. Oops, but man - you saw that super quick because I immedietly fixed it as soon as I saw it! Jimeee (talk) 14:22, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Navigation 2
Just wanted to check if the navigation script (from here) is working for you and if the problem you had before is resolved. If you're still having problems, let me know and I'll try to figure out what's going on. Cheers :) --Anon(Talk) 18:40, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

You Are Fast!
Wow, you are on the ball today! I went back to the Forsworn Missive to fix typo and add links, but you fixed the links before I had a chance. Neguy71inok (talk) 23:19, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I don't mind people fixing my errors, helps me learn, I usually do a double proof read once in editor and once in preview but um.. nature demanded attention this time. Question; is there a gallery I can view Skyrim images already loaded, I play on PS3 so I can't upload quality images and on some pages I see the info box missing an image and just itch to fix it. Neguy71inok (talk) 23:31, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Page needing deleted help
Saw you were still active, so thought I would drop a line to you about the following pages. The No One Escapes Chidna Mine needs to be deleted (from what I can tell there is nothing to save from it) compared to No One Escapes Cidhna Mine which has greater detail, and generally better written not to mention the misspelled name on the first one. Neguy71inok (talk) 06:34, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello there, I made a new page Letter From The Steward as it didn't show when creating a link on the Books page, then after publishing and realizing I wasn't logged in, went back to check the page and discovered Letter from the Steward page stub. Notice the cap usage, I keep forgeting the search when making a link is cap specific. My apologies for the mess up. Thank you for the help. Neguy71inok (talk) 20:12, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Wedding Ring/Bond
Yeah, I can go ahead and make the page; it'll give me a chance to familiarize myself with templates and such (if any exist, otherwise, I can go from scratch). I'm playing on an XBox because my computer's weak, though, so I won't be able to grab an image. Tyrasis (talk) 10:32, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like some sheltered fool, I married the first woman I stumbled across, heh. Also, the page had been made, so I just replaced wedding ring with a redirect. Tyrasis (talk) 10:38, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Glitches in article walkthroughs.
I am seeing a lot of glitches being added to articles as a means to complete quests and this is bothering me. I don't want to see a glitch being used to do something in this manner. See Alduin's Bane with the recently added section about how to defeat Alduin as an example.

My question is: am I allowed to remove such glitches from the walkthrough sections of articles? GrandMoffVixen (talk) 03:25, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

A Quest for Knowledge Part 2: The puppet of Sithis?
Hey Timeoin it's Luke again, I joined and am now "EnwaFetcher" haha so I'll sign with my screen name now. I've done some further reading and taken the quest for knowledge into my own hands, trying to figure out where Sithis fits into the whole realm of Gods in the Elder Scrolls games. But I want to make sure I have my facts about the beliefs and legends straight. Reading the page "Sithis (Book)" under the paragraphs within "Content" it comes to my attention there is perhaps an interest spin on the idea of the Adera. First I need to know if I have a rough understanding of Sithis though. Sithis is basically not so much necessarily a being but something of a void and before him was nothing "stasis" (and or is he the same nothingness as well?). Then to my understanding Sithis took the nothing and created the opportunity of endless possibilities (like ideas, with this also having the possibility never to materialize) letting them drift into the nothing and fade away gradually becoming nothing. Continuing in this fashion until one of these possibilities/ ideas "became jealous and did not want to die" than manifested itself becoming Anui-El (Akatosh) and "made friends" being originally other ideas/possibilities that manifested becoming as some mortals would call them "The Eight Divine". Thus disrupting the cycle and the natural order of things (in a sense defying Sithis) creating the first idea of life yet even more than that seeing as how they were "Immortals" I assume making the first creation of Life one without in fact death. Then the Adera basically took hold of every possibility (maybe even more so taking away the possibility of death) for there on wills, creating and generating "everlasting realms of imperfection". The Adrea created what the people of nirn know as the universe, again defying the natural order and Sithis. So Sithis created Lorkhan to "destroy the universe", however it seems that rather than destroy in the sense we might think of it, it however rather means setting back the natural order of things to the cycle (destroying immortality kind of). So Lorkhan deceived the Eight into thinking himself one of them; afterwards he spread the ideas of mortality and thus created Nirn in the process.

Then this is where I tried to piece the rest of the puzzle together in the most logical sense I could based off the previous knowledge I had. Once the threat of mortality was created; reestablishing the natural order the Adrea probably caught wind of his "treachery" and tore out his heart casting him to earth however yet he was still successful in his mission of re-setting the balance closer to what the cycle once was... And depending of what you believe the Adera became part of Nirn as well basically meaning they lost immortality as well ?... Kinda sorta? Help please, the Green Mage NEEDS FOOD BADLY! THE GREEN MAGE IS ABOUT TO DIE! - Gauntlet Dark Legacy lol EnwaFetcher (talk) 05:09, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Category Box at page bottom
Hiya Tmeoin. I was wondering if you have any word about the category box at the the bottom of pages being fixed. Right now adding categories is broken using the add category button. Thanks, DLanyon (talk) 07:30, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * At the bottom of the page is an "Add Category" button. When I click on that button it allows you to type in a category (and says "Press enter when done"). When I do that, it does not pull up the suggestion categories as I type, nor does it do anything when I press enter. Clicking 'save' will save it though. I can still add a category that way and when I am in edit mode on a page. But for a quick category edit its a bit of a nuisance. I hope that explains it more clearly. Thanks, --DLanyon (talk) 07:58, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I popped on irc. So when you visit a page and scroll to the bottom where the categories are, you don't have an option to "add category"? Odd. It worked when I first started editing pages here then stopped a few days later. --DLanyon (talk) 08:37, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

An question about character categories
Just need to clear something up, I asked Kacj321 but I have recieved no reply.

In the Characters template Infobox SkyrimNPC I hard coded in the categories "Skyrim" and "Characters" because these categories were being added in character pages anyway. However this edit was reverted by Kacj321, so my question is what is this wikis stand on the "Skyrim" and "Characters" categories and what should they be used for?

I was under the impression any pages related to Skyrim should have a "Skyrim" category - makes sense, right? And a "Characters" category would naturally eocompasses all characters in any elder scrolls games so i'm confused and don't what to update anything until I understand what the rule is.

Jimeee (talk) 09:17, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Exactly, I thought is was a no brainer to include these categories so that is what I did. I only noticed yesterday that it was removed about a week ago - as I've been working on Locations all this week. I'll add them back in and let you know if there is any problems. Thanks

Jimeee (talk) 09:33, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

The weapons template now looks terrible!?
It seems someone has changed the template I made to bright blue!? Seriously, it looks horrendous!

When I created the template I made sure it fitted in the the look and theme of this wiki - that bright blue just looks very out of place. A touch of colour is fine but this is too much. The colour change seem totally arbitrary

I don't want to start some color war, but I think a black backbround is the way to go.

Jimeee (talk) 15:15, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

We use the same colours for all the Skyrim Templates, the Black justed look horrible. Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 15:25, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, i'll ask him but just look at this page http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Grimsever and tell me that's supposed to fit in with the theme of this site!

Jimeee (talk) 15:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think thats the colours fault, I think its the temple, personally I find the template horrable looking. :/ Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 15:33, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I find temples like this one http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Test more pleasing to look at, and it suits it purpose. Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 15:38, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't blame the colour - it's how it was used on the entire infobox that made it look ugly. The colour itself is fine.


 * As for that test template - sure, it looks like all the other templates. I just wanted the pages on this wiki to look better than boring 1px border tables, that so many other sites are doing right now. Jimeee (talk) 16:15, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm saying it to bold, big the background makes any weapon page look bad. :/ Kacj321||Project Zomboid Wikia||The Elder Scrolls Wikia 16:17, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Image categories
As you may have noticed, I've undertaken the vast project of improving the categorization of images on this wiki. Oh my previous wikis, image categorization has been a pet peeve and OCD-like obsession of mine. I'm sure you won't mind, but I figured I'd at least talk to you about it, before I went head deep into it. You can check out the progress here: Category:Skyrim: Images. After fixing (hopefully) all Skyrim images on the wiki, I'll move into Oblivion and then Morrowind. I can set up the categories in advanced, to clue others into what I'm doing, in case they want to help. But, like I said, I wanted to run it past you first :) --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  18:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about that myself and posted a list of questions to Timeoin, but I think I posted them on an archived page. I was wondering if it's something the Veetor Bot could do. I was starting to work on images I uploaded by working through my contributions page, but then I was worried someone might think I was badge hunting so I stopped to offer the bot suggestion. If that won't work, let me know if you want help, otherwise I'll keep on keeping on with other edits. ~ Trippet (Talk) 01:28, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I shall reply here instead (Also, Apologies Trippet for archiving your question. Unfortunately, I get a lot of questions on here, and it becomes too wall-of-text unless I archive frequently. With regards to images though, I do not think you would have to worry about "badge-hunting", as the only "badge" in there is the one for adding categories to pages (across the whole wiki). That said, though, adding those categories is something that improves the quality of the wiki (adding meaningful categories like that does improve the wiki), so it is not "badge-hunting". Badgehunting is going through and adding a heap of minor changes that have no benefit to the wiki across a bunch of pages. (Example: This person). Also, I am about to go and start adding categories to the Morrowind and Oblivion Characters pages themselves (something we did not have originally). Help there would also be appreciated. (Or with the Images thing) :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:35, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * (Also, I feel like Skyrim Generic Magic Items should be renamed to something else, but I have NO idea what) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:38, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Happy to offer assistance. :) I archived my own post . . . it's been a long week. Really, I posted on an archived page, I think. I'm not sure if I've spent more time on the Wiki or in Skyrim. ;) ~ Trippet (Talk) 01:40, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked at that category and the contents. How about Skyrim: Enchantment Modifiers?  ~ Trippet (Talk) 01:54, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hi...I was just wondering if it's possible to change my username. GrannyJ 19:04, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Bruce Lowe
Hi Timeoin

you deleted this page on the 9th Dec 2011: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Laid_to_rest

due to it being a "duplicate"

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Morthal links to that deleted page.

If its a duplicate you might want to correct that page which points to it


 * The Morthal page links to Laid to Rest and not to Laid to rest so everything is OK, anon. --Loonix (talk) 11:40, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * One of the links actually pointed to the wrong one, but it wasnt showing up as a link due to the fact that it was listed as an "external site" (even though it linked to our wiki) instead of the normal linking procedures. Its fixed now though :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 11:46, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * i have seen it now on your edits Timeoin and i want to apologize to the anon (Bruce Lowe?) for my misstake.--Loonix (talk) 11:49, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess its Bruce Lowe :) (Also, as an aside - check for those "bad linkages" (i.e. |Loonix's talk page instead of User_talk:Loonix. They muck up the Wiki's linking checkers (Half a dozen pages so far have shown up as "not linking to any pages" when they've linked a dozen each : Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 12:01, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Specific Articles Guidelines Question
Hey Timeoin, I'm starting to edit and create some pages, and I'm feeling they need some kind of stardard or model page to be based upon, so the general content can look more organized. Is there any kind of model page, for each category/kind of article?

I just rewrote an article about Embershard Mine; the infobox was not a problem since the templates are all there (I used Templates: Mines in this case), but what about the headlines and topics order for the article? I read the other Mines pages, and they were mostly stubs or each one was following its own "model".

I really enjoy contributing to this kind of content, so if you can point me any guideline for specific articles I would be very gratefull. Something like: Infobox, followed by description, followed by Related Quests, Enemies, Loot (or Notable Loot?), Appearances, and so on...

Thank you very much.

WARPIGSON (talk) 00:58, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looking at several pages over the last few days, I have had the same thoughts. It owuld be nice to have some general layout sections for each broad category, i.e. Locations, Quests, Skills, etc. There is a Random characters template in place for use on NPCs. I think we as a group could decide on some consistent standard. Is there a page that would be good to discuss this on to allow folks to provide input? --DLanyon (talk) 03:16, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am going to reply here instead. Indeed, I agree that we need some massive standardization here. The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Style and formatting is available, however, it came from the OblivioWiki and needs some MASSIVE updating. Still. Its a good starting point :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 03:46, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * "general layout sections for each broad category, i.e. Locations, Quests, Skills, etc." That's exactly what I mean. I think a good - and simple - starting point would be taking a popular page for each category and editing it to a good standard (For example, Whiterun for cities). Then, these pages could be set as references for all other articles, which would be variations of the standard one. Thank you and keep up the good work.
 * WARPIGSON (talk) 10:36, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi all, I just took a stab at a template for Mines pages based on the Embershard and Fellhammer mine pages. Not knowing what to do with it, it's currently saved as "randomMine" on the wikia. At least it's a starting point we can work with and tweak as needed. What do you think? GramsJ (talk) 00:13, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hi All. I looked at DLanyon's proposed layout. There's only one item I would change. I personally think the enemies need to be dead before collecting loot, so I propose putting the "Notable Loot" section after the "Enemies" section. I have edited my proposed template (Random Mine) to more closely coincide with his (except for the one change), if you would like to take a look at it. I'm thinking this page probably needs to be deleted as a wiki page instead of a template. I didn't know how to create it as a template. Any help is appreciated. GramsJ (talk) 06:34, December 12, 2011 (UTC) Actually, Notable Loot shouldnt refer to enemies at all, but rather, items such as Skill Books and the like that can be found in those locations. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 06:37, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi All. I just put a proposal up on my mian profile page in regards to the location page layout. Please take a look and let me know. I would also like to see a definite agreed upon layout to help improve the wiki. As I have been editing pages I visit I have tried to improve the readability of a page as well as provide pertinent information. --DLanyon (talk) 03:57, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * I like that proposed template a lot, DLanyon. Please feel free to add that to The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Style and formatting/Locations (Which hasnt been updated yet). Thanks for this! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 04:01, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should the section not be limited to "Notable" Loot, then? What if we changed it to just "Loot" and have it include the "leveled loot plundered from enemies, chest, and the surroundings"? My only desire here is to work toward a consensus toward having consistent wiki pages for Skyrim Mines. :) GramsJ (talk) 07:17, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think that it should be possibly changed to "Notable Items" or some such, as Loot would tend to include drops from enemies (rather than, say, the different ores, books, and other items that can be found in the mines and other locations Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 07:29, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey all, good to see this discussion is pointing towards good results. I think these layouts are great. Personally, I think Notable Loot is more apropriated, because it goes beyond the loot enemies drop and even so it discards less usefull items (such as potatos...). Please let me know when it's decided. Thank you all. WARPIGSON (talk) 07:39, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * My thought process for not including "loot" vs. "notable loot"
 * Most items that are considered "loot" in a location are randomly generated based on a players level and will therefore vary for every player
 * Loot to me refers to anything that is "lootable", i.e. able to be obtained off of a corpse, from a shelf, chest, barrel or other container. Basicly anything that can be picked up and sold.
 * Loot therefore includes, every potion, food item, armor, weapon, misc item (e.g. embalming tool, linen wrap, bowls, etc). Again these items will be different for every player.
 * Notable Loot are items (with a few exceptions) that are static and will be the same for every player.
 * Notable loot would include: quest items, skill books, special items only found at that location, ore veins, and harvest points. (e.g. when anyone enters Halted Stream Camp they will find 15 iron ore veins.)
 * I have tried to edit Gloomreach to fit the proposed layout so folks can see how it would actually look. I think you have a good idea in changing notable loot to Notable items. --DLanyon (talk) 07:52, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Quick note, Timeoin, I started the talk page on Random Mine to give us clean place to hammer out the details without having to bounce between 3 talk pages or clog yours up! --DLanyon (talk) 08:17, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

That Latest Vandal
Thanks! Jol87 23:38, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Timeoin. I'm InfernalWarrior, one of the old administrators on the wikia. Its been so long since I've been on here that I have forgotten my password and can't recover it because my email has changed. Do you know of any other way I can recover my account? Akhraziel (talk) 03:02, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Categories
I have been seeing a lot of edits removing the "Skyrim" category. Are we no longer using this category as a default for pages? DLanyon (talk) 03:11, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll stop using it so folks won't have to go back after me and fix it. Also, if I am doing anything else uneccessary just let me know.  I'd rather know so as not to cause more work for others.  --DLanyon (talk) 03:54, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Help
Hello, Timeoin. I'm InfernalWarrior, one of the old administrators on the wikia. Its been so long since I've been on here that I have forgotten my password and can't recover it because my email has changed. Do you know of any other way I can recover my account? Akhraziel (talk) 03:02, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for thIe suggestion, I've contacted them. Hopefully, they will allow me to recover my account. If not, I'll just have to work my way back up to administrator. Haha. I like what you have done with the wikia. When I was last on it was dead and I was only the active user and administrator. It has definately boomed since then. By the way, its nice to see a fellow erepublik player on here.

Akhraziel (talk) 04:03, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on 20,000 edits!
Congrats on your 20,000th edit! DLanyon (talk) 13:57, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Newarticletext
Lately, I've been thinking about adding a new feature to this wiki. Here's an example:. Basically, how it will work is: this grid of buttons will appear at the top of the edit window every time some goes to create a new page. The grid will be divided based on each Elder Scrolls game in the rows and divided by article type (character, item, armor, spell, book) in the columns. By clicking on the button, the blank article space will be filled with the correct infobox, headers, and categories for that type of article. I think this will help us eliminate some of the manual editing we have for new pages on the wiki. Let me know what you think and if you have any ideas. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   20:18, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * What we need to do to get the ball rolling on that is create Mediawiki:Newarticletext. I don't think I can do that with regular user rights. I think an admin or bureaucrat needs to create that page. Wikia might have it disable, though. At any rate, after that's created, we can start setting up the grid, which requires a very complex coding. I can do that part, since I've already done it before. Basically, what we'll need to do is decide exactly what types of article formats we want. Then, create templates for them and give them this name: Template:Create_article/article type/Game name. So, so we're setting up a character template for Skyrim, it would be Template:Create_article/character/Skyrim. Of course, that'll change for each game and each article type.


 * There was something also else I wanted to bring up when you logged on. Marriage and some other pages got vandalized pretty badly early today. I put the vandals at Vandalism in progress. Not sure if you guys still use that, but it could be handy. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   00:18, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm slightly confused. You want us to mark vandals with the Vandalism template? --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   01:57, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I have a basic template set up here. I've never played Arena or Daggerfall, so I don't know which types of articles would exist. I'm also noticing that locations might be too vague, especially since we have several Skyrim templates for specific locations (i.e. Caves, Tombs, Forts etc.) I'm also thinking about shortening the names to simple "Skyrim", "Morrowind", etc. which will give us room for more buttons if necessary. After we figure out what to include, we'll need to start making the format templates. Once that's done, we can copy and paste what's in my sandbox over to Mediawiki:Newarticletext and the buttons should automatically insert the formatting into a new article. Theoretically. :)--— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   02:19, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it. Loud and clear now. In regards to the template, you or another admin will have to edit it into the Mediawiki page. I guess they don't trust regular users with that type of privilege :). At any rate, before it'll work, we'll need to have format templates set up (like this one for character pages: Template:Create article/character/Skyrim that matches what we all agree is the standard for each page. After those templates are created, it'll be all ready to use. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   03:56, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Tim. What is the wikia policy regarding quoting books found in The Elder Scrolls? Is it permissible to include the entire contents of a book on a wiki page? I ask because I was going to create a page for The Real Baranziah, v 2, only to find out that one did exist at one point and has since been deleted. I have the entire text prepared but thought I better ask before I create another page for it. Thanks. GramsJ (talk) 04:00, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Categories Fixed. Need a little help from your end
I just updated the popup script to fix the categories problem.

But there is another problem I noticed the other day. When you copied the menu script to the common.js you accidentally copied too much from my global.js. You added some functions I made for myself that make the edit preview popup wider (it made it easier to edit the maps). But this will cause some problems for normal users when editing; things will not look the way they will appear when saved. Do you think you can remove it from the common.js? Here is what i'm talking about:

 $(document).bind('DOMSubtreeModified',function{ //console.log("now there are " + $('a').length + " links on this page."); var editPageDialog = document.getElementById('EditPageDialog'); if(editPageDialog){ editPageDialog.style.width = "850px"; var editPageDialog_h1 = editPageDialog.getElementsByTagName("h1")[0]; editPageDialog_h1.style.marginTop = "0px"; editPageDialog_h1.style.marginBottom = "0px"; var previewDiv = getElementsByClass2(editPageDialog, 'div', 'ArticlePreview'); //var currentHeight = previewDiv.css('height').replace("px", ""); var currentHeight = getStyle(previewDiv, 'height'); var newHeight = cssPxValueText(currentHeight) + 200; alert('currentHeight: "' + currentHeight + '"   newHeight: "' + newHeight + '"'); previewDiv.style.height = newHeight + 'px'; } }) function getElementsByClass2(elementName, tagname, tclass){ var itemsfound = new Array; var elements = elementName.getElementsByTagName(tagname); for(var i=0;i<elements.length;i++){ if(hasClass(elements[i], tclass)){ itemsfound.push(elements[i]); }		}		return itemsfound; } function getStyle(el,styleProp) {	var x = document.getElementById(el); if (x.currentStyle) var y = x.currentStyle[styleProp]; else if (window.getComputedStyle) var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(x,null).getPropertyValue(styleProp); return y; } function ConvertCssPxToInt(cssPxValueText) { // Set valid characters for numeric number. var validChars = "0123456789."; // If conversion fails return 0. var convertedValue = 0; // Loop all characters of	for (i = 0; i < cssPxValueText.length; i++) { // Stop search for valid numeric characters, when a none numeric number is found. if (validChars.indexOf(cssPxValueText.charAt(i)) == -1) { // Start conversion if at least one character is valid. if (i > 0) { // Convert validnumbers to int and return result. convertedValue = parseInt(cssPxValueText.substring(0, i)); return convertedValue; }		}	}	return convertedValue; }

Thanks,

09:34, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is what you should be removing :)
 * Also, I'm still making changes to the script, but let me know if the categories are working for you. And how do you like the new map page I threw together? anything you want me to add to it?
 * 09:47, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's no problem. If there is anything you need just let me know :)
 * 11:16, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ive been wondering how to actually pronounce "Timeoin" and how you came up with it?

My name i just got from watching Bleach, that and its the only one i remember...

Ryusenka16 (talk) 13:00, December 13, 2011 (UTC)Ryusenka16

Location Template updates
I have just went through all of the location templates and made an update to all of them. They now all come with a header sentence "PAGENAME" is a (locationtype) located in Skyrim." This will help ensure uniformity of location pages. The /dco page should now be in place for all of them.

Also, Template:Skyrim Tomb needed fixing, I updated it to bring it inline with the rest of the templates, unfortunately this means it will take some time to update all the tombs pages to accept the corrected format. DLanyon (talk) 14:37, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

This is about the quest "Revealing the unseen". I can not find Mirabelle Ervine to start the quest. Have looked at the mountain incase she fell down. Is there a way to get her back or find her?

Have looked for her for a couple of hours.

77.110.201.36 16:14, December 13, 2011 (UTC)Kim77.110.201.36 16:14, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, um .. where abouts have you been looking for her? (Also, she should be findable using the Quest Locator thingy on the map, since the archmage tells you to find her before the quest itself starts? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 22:50, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Page needs to be (re)moved
I found a content page that should be swiftly moved or deleted.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Questions_about_the_Skyrim_horses

--The Milkman (talk) 00:46, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blog post problem:
Hi, I have a problem, and I wondered if you'd be able to help me with it (since you seem to be the most active person around here). Anyway, when I try to make a blog, It simply doesn't let me edit the page and I'm stuck with this message: "Create a new blog post - The Elder Scrolls Wiki" which doesn't go away.

If you know what causes this, or even better, how to solve it, than I'd appreciate that.

Thanks in advance Grtz Endymion (talk) 10:38, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply (you talked about a delay, but still you answered within a few hours, couldn't read it myself until now though) but unfortunately the problem persists. I've added a picture of it this time. I know I should be just pressing that 'ok'' button in the pop-up message, but I can click on it all I want, it doesn't change anything. :\ Did also have the problem when using another computer. Don't know if this picture clarifies it a bit more, but anyway : Hope you have a nice evening! Endymion (talk) 16:04, December 14, 2011 (UTC) ''

''Edit: also can't use 'ok' button when trying to change gender, occupation and place of living. Suppose that's where the problem is then.''

New infoboxes for quests and books
Hiya Timeoin. I have created a couple of new infobox templates for use. Please take a look at them and let me know what you think. If the community likes them we can start updating the pages to include them to contimue improving the uniformity and layout of the pages. Template:Books and Template:Quests Thanks,DLanyon (talk) 13:51, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, I noticed Dayvid made this template for books and quests also - will both of these templates work together?


 * http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Create_article/book/Skyrim
 * http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Create_article/quest/Skyrim


 * Jimeee (talk) 15:36, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, they will. Those are the 'preload' pages.  The appropriate infobox is included in the preload page.  If we use these infoboxes, the preload page will just need to be updated to include them. --DLanyon (talk) 15:40, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Skyrim Quiz
I was wondering about that TES:V Skyrim quiz

1.do you have any ability over it

2.if so would it be possible to make it both longer and harder

Ryusenka16 (talk) 14:09, December 14, 2011 (UTC)Ryusenka16

College of Winterhold Quests
Heya, I made a template for the Winterhold College Quests, inspired from the Dark Brotherhood one and i have used it for the quest Under Saarthal. Is it good and should i use it for the other quests? Vercinghetorix (talk) 16:58, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

hey since your an admin do you know who michaeldsuarez is or who the founder of the wiki is?

Ryusenka16 (talk) 17:57, December 14, 2011 (UTC)Ryusenka16

AST
Hey Timeoin, Can you hit me up on skype when you are available? I want to talk to you about getting you (and the other admins) help from AST and how we can make that happen efficiently & easily. Thanks! --Meighan http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 19:29, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Vandal
User:74.3.128.130 needs to be blocked immediately. They're causing vandlism to multiple pages. I think it's a bot, because the edits are all similar (remove all categories, link certain pages to incorrect pages. Most, race pages to potion ingredient pages, or names to book pages). --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)   21:05, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

The achievements on this Wiki need editing, it's atrocious how many mispellings there are. "Inthusiast"? "Trecking"? Winnersusedrugs (talk) 01:09, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Jump on the IRC, if you would. :P Elchzard  (Talking is fun.) 12:38, December 17, 2011 (UTC)