Board Thread:Skyrim/@comment-12599067-20130928060857/@comment-13446185-20140227022008

'I'm pretty sure the Nords weren't allowing the Reachmen to maintain any of their own real settlements, or to control much, if any, of the land or resources. Undoubtedly there's all kinds of hatey "git off my lawn" going on with much of the Forsworn's motives,'

No, as I said most of the people in the Reach are Reachmen, Markarth is full of Reachmen, so is Karthwasten (Karthwasten is actually owned by a Reachman). Most oppression towards the Reachmen comes from the Silverbloods but this is because the Silverbloods (at least Thonar) are greedy opportunists who are trying to control the Reach (Thonar is literally the most dispicible character in the game, he's the reason the Forsworn still exist).

I have never once seen any bit of lore that indicates the Nords wanted the Reachmen out of the Reach, Forsworn obviously but no-one really say that they hate the Reachmen.

but looking at their situation, their history, their lore, and the actual social/geographic situation in the Reach as we see it in 4E 201, they clearly are NOT in a position to just peacably go about their business.

The forsworn are the aggressors, if they merely put down their wooden sticks and returned to their homes peace would ensue.

Sure, *maybe* before Igmund they weren't being actively attacked or oppressed in any way by the Nords (given the Nords, though, I consider this unlikely), but there's more to rights than just not being a victim of active aggression.

Dude the whole reason why the

'There's also issues around rights of access. Who has the mines, the forests, the farms, the land, the grazing rights, etc? The "right" to go off and starve in the wilderness unimpeded isn't the same thing as being left alone.'

Seeing that the Reachmen live in barbaric tribal communities (other than ones that have assimilated into more civilized culture) I doubt that they really care that much about mining and farming. They plunder to get what they need and choose to live in the wilderness.