Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-3539474-20130910213054/@comment-3539474-20130921203418

Legate Alexandros wrote: Bretons would not have been possible if Nords and mer didn't make man-mer hybrids in High Rock. The way Reachmen came to be, is when Bretons from High Rock, on High Rock, Skyrim and possibly Hammerfell border started to interbreed and trickle into Skyrim. More then likely Reachmen are a mixbreeds of those that already were in the area: Nords, Bretons and Redguards. That would mean that Reachmen were a group within Skyrim, that originaly was not indiginous, but lived for sometime alongside Nords in the Reach. Then, obviously Alessian Empire decided that they have claims on Skyrim teritory, that is when the showdown of Red Eagle and Imperial Legions of Hesta happened.

Perhaps Nords made Reachmen feel opressed at sometime, so during the Great War, they took over Reach and declared their Kingdom. Nords of Skyrim have every claim on the Reach as Forsworn. Even if Reachmen were not indiginous to the area like Nords who were there already when Reachmen appeared, they lived there long enough to be considered just as native as any Nords of the Reach. I believe that all what needs to be done if for the Reachmen to get equal rights as Nords, more of the Reachmen need to be allowed to have property in Reach, like Anetach. Although I am afraid that there might not be any reasoning with Foresworn, from what I know, they rejected any peace talks. So giving equal rights withing Reach to Reachmen and Nords, might not be enough to appease the Forsworn, they just too fixed on violence and taking over the Reach for themselves, killing every Nord in the process. If there is no way to reason with Forsworn, they would have to be eliminated for normal Reachmen to live in pease alongside Nords, in the Skyrim's hold of Reach. Correct, Empress Hestra launched an assault on The Reach. The Legion laid siege to Red Eagle's stronghold, until Red Eagle himself came forth for battle, alone and robed in nothing but his righteous fury. Thousands of foreigners fell before his flaming sword. - from the book.

The lore gets really muddy on this point. We have conflicting theories about what the differences between Nedes and Atmorans actually is. I personally believe that either Nedes were the first proto-Men who existed all over Tamriel after the Ehlnofey descended into mortal form, or that they originated on Tamriel and then spread out to Atmora and Akavir, and the ones who came back from Atmora later were Nords. The rest became the proto-Imperial tribes and the proto-Bretons. Some originated on Yokuda and stayed there until it was damaged, and became Redguards.

The Reachmen are not the Bretons of High Rock. They are descendants of the original Nedic folks that Bretons came from. HR Bretons are the result of generations of "mingling" with elves. The Reachmen "mixed" with some Atmorans and supposedly even Orcish blood. The Forsworn are their own people with their own history, who happen to share some blood with all the aforementioned groups. Not Bretony, descended from them with a similar heritage. As far as I can tell, it's little more then a turf war; the land was fought over between the natives and Nords, and the leftover mingling of races see that as their ancestral home.