Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-26356342-20150702233720

Phantasys wrote: College Mage: Ferris wrote: Glad to see you back Phantasys, it's been too long.

I have to ask if you truly believe there is no difference when it was you yourself arguing how the Thalmor plan to bring down all of creation. The Empire has no such plans. While yes there is arrogance within both the Thalmor and the Empire, the Stormcloaks have just as much pride it could almost pass as arrogance. It blinds them in much the same way arrogance does.They believe it's their "nord way" or the sword.

While the Thalmor want an all elf domination, the Stormcloaks want an all Nord domination, except their idea is just localized to Skyrim for the time being. At least with Empire society, all the cultures are mixed and accepted. There is so much wrong with that. First of all most of the dominion soldiers have no idea that top brass is fucking crazy. Most soldiers and officers actually believe they're helping the humans become more civilized. There's no difference because the empire worships Akatosh primarily and since the fall of the dragonpact Akatosh's back to being auriel who wants to unmake the world as much as the thalmor do. So fundamentally there's no inherent difference between the empire dominating Tamriel and the thamor.

The stormcloaks have just as much arrogance? Really? I never see a stormcloak call an imperial or anyone else a savage for not following their way. The nords only want the freedom to live out their ways without orders from a failing empire or some snotty elf, nowhere do the stormcloaks force their way of life on anyone.

At least with the empire everyone is accepted? Don't make me laugh, the empire treats all commoners like dirt or slaves for the rich. The empire's only loyalty is power and money the people's needs fall to the wayside as their taxes are draining any province they haven't abandoned dry. I've seen no evidence that suggests the Empire is pushing for Akatosh as a sort of primary god above the rest. They use him as their symbol as He helped form the Empire, but I havnt run across any imperial suggesting worship of "akatosh and friends" instead of "The Eight". The Nords all still worship Akatosh as well, so this whole theory you keep saying suggesting the Empire is somehow knowingly helping the Thalmor doesnt make sense.

I'm admittedly ignorant to the lore surrounding the gods, So I ask you enlighten me a bit here, because I can't find any information that suggests Akatosh has now become Auri-El, and that anyone worshipping him is unknowingly leading to the demise of man. as a side note - If the Stormcloaks listed this as a primary reason why they were fighting specifically the Empire, they might have earned some points with me.

Your suggestion that they are "fundamentally the same" is inaccurate at best, and I think even YOU know that. I totally can understand not liking the Empire, or angry at how it currently runs, but you cannot be so blinded with hate as to think theres no difference between the Thalmor and the Empire.

Stormcloaks dont force their way of life?


 * Madena:  "Yes, that's exactly what I'm asking. I'm not a Nord, I'm a Breton, and I have no wish to fight this war."

  Skald:  "I don't think so, Madena. There will be no deserters in this hold, and that's final."


 * Galmar:  "The people are behind you."

  Ulfric:  "Many I fear still need convincing."   Galmar:  "Then let them die with their false kings."

Even ignoring the treatment of elves of all kinds. Theres plenty of dialog in the game to suggest the Nords see themselves as superior rulers of Skyrim, and to hell with everyone else. Their own battle cry is "Skyrim is for the Nords" for gods sake.

and finally, where is the evidence that specifically the Empire treats its commoners like dirt? As opposed to the Stormcloaks? Wheres the evidence they treat the commoners any better?