Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26213507-20150715194939/@comment-26893431-20150825205644

College Mage: Ferris wrote: Blademaster Jauffre wrote: College Mage: Ferris wrote: Blademaster Jauffre wrote: There is no evidence of him challenging Torygg in the traditional way, otherwise Torygg's court mage would have said so. To be fair, she would be bias considering she practically raised Torygg since he was a boy. The evidence to support that it was an honorable duel is seen from the Gatekeeper we see being executed when we first entered Solitude. He is a neutral party, and we have no reason to believe he's some sort of Stormcloak in disguise. Yet he still insists to his dying breath that the duel was legitimate. He was willing to die for that claim, and gave up his own life upholding it by allowing Ulfric to leave. He wasn't killed because of the duel but for opening the gate for Ulfric, Ulfric (obviously) didn't kill the High King in fair combat, otherwise the guards (who are Nords) would have remained to their traditions. Purely because they are sided with the Empire doesn't mean they don't honor tradition. As for the bias argument, it's a bad one, since she also served his father, she even claims he might have sided with Ulfric is he but merely asked. I never said he was killed because of the duel, I said he claimed the duel was fair and was willing to accept death as a punishment for that. Roggvir WAS a guard, he opened the gate to allow Ulfric to leave. He claims Ulfric challenged him to a fair duel, and thus is keeping with the old nordic ways he allowed Ulfric to leave after he won said duel. Had Ulfric done what everyone else says and ran in, used his thu'um and left, it would have resulted the same as when the dragonborn tries that, and he would have been ambushed by the city guard. Roggvir is a neutral party and former guard, and allowing Ulfric to leave (in keeping with Nordic custom) cost him his life. He was willing to lay down his life for the sake of Noridc custom why would he lie just before being beheaded? as Bronkiin mentioned, it was a fair duel that was won using "unfair" means. He was a gateguard, that's not the same thing as a hold or city guard.