Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26213507-20150715194939/@comment-26356342-20150716182833

I'm going to chop a bit of this up so as not to have an overly long post.

-"But lets be honest here what happens when the imperials are in charge. Notice this with the peace treaty on, this is from legate Fasendil;"-

~Couple things here, Theres a difference between the Thalmor and the Dominion, the easy way to remember how they're seperate is; "Every Thalmor is a member of the Dominion, but not every Dominion member is a Thalmor." What the Legate is referring to when he says "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion from walking all over Skyrim." is the Imperial forces are what stands between The Dominion army (note; not just Thalmor but also the forces within Valenwood and Elswyr) and Skyrim. The Legion may have had to allow Thalmor into Skyrim to enforce the treaty but they do not have to allow an entire occupant army in. His last line; "They are still citizens of the Empire. It's our solemn duty to protect them." He is saying that even tho Skyrim is in a civil war, The Empire still has a duty to protect everyone within, even if it means protecting them from themselves. I'm not sure how you got the negative spin on what he was saying, everything in that quote is him saying he loves Skyrim and her people and just wants to protect them.

-"Take for instance his statment after the above. "Back in 42 I was stationed in Hammerfell..."-

~You ended here after the quote with "See. Even before Ulfric Rebeled." But I'm not clear on what point that was trying to make. we all already knew the Thalmor were bad before the civil war, and the even in question he's describing happened 129 years before even the first great war. I'm not sure it has any bareing on the topic at hand.

-"Lets also not forget the npcs that support the Dominion and the legion. Npcs like Erikuir, Maven, Elisif and Siddgeir would sell skyrim and theres no denying that."-

~There IS denying it, I'm denying it right here. Erikur is a Thane, and a businessmen, he has no real sway on the war, but furthermore, Him and Maven both have their entire businesses IN skyrim, to see it fall to ruin would mean they would be OUT of money which is counter productive to your point that they'd sell Skyrim out. Elisif has NO record of EVER showing the slightest greed, I have no idea how she made that list of yours of people who would sell out Skyrim. Siddgeir falls into the same camp as Maven and Erikur, his spoiled life is tied to Skyrim, without Skyrim he has nothing, why would he sell Skyrim if it would mean he has nothing?

-"The Thalmore have infiltrate the Empire in all it's aspects and paid off the right people"-

Where is this stated? First, the Thalmor only have enough power to enforce the treaty. They do not sit in on all aspects of the Empire, as evidenced by the lack of Thalmor presence with Tullius in Castle Dour. Second, Paid off who? They have the treaty as a threat they don't need to pay anyone. and even if they did, to what end? what do they gain? it wouldn't make sense, and that part sounds more like your bias opinion against the Empire being brought in as fact.

-"The really sad part about the Empire is that, Cyrodill as in the whole province is in strife."- ~If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, Strife just means unrest. Skyrim is currently in Strife. It doesnt make the place unlivable. Everyone was stretched Thin because of the amount of ground they had to cover, by removing Skyrim, that severly limits the amount of ground the Dominion would have to cover, weakening everyone who would fight the Thalmor. It's as Shigeru had said, divide and conquer, if Skyrim breaks from the Empire thats a huge piece of land the Thalmor no longer have to contend with, they can focus on the much smaller Cyrodiil, and once that's done, move on to Skyrim. What would be easier? Taking on 1000 men with your 1000 men, or take on 500 men with your 1000 men? You could use 500 to face 500, and have the remaining 500 flank them, which more-or-less is exactly what happened during the battle of the red ring. The Stormcloaks getting more support from farmers and refugees, not military support or supplies, or alliances. It's just a few extra bodies to hold a sword, and in untrained hands means little when facing a real trained army.

-"Curoption can't beat curroption."-

~Don't get me started on corruption... I'm just going to point towards Skald, who wanted to send his whole villiage to fight and die, and the Silver-bloods, who were keeping a forsworn king hostage, allowing townsfolk to be killed, and paying off the guards to lock up anyone who asks too many questions. Theres Corruption EVERYWHERE The Stormcloaks are not as clean as you'd like to think they are.

-"Research landfall. They clearly states "only" in the late 5th Era"-

Let me stop you there. What you're referring to, is C0DA and within the rules of C0DA I could just as easily say "after the landfall, The Vestige, Nerevarine, Dragonborn, and Sheogorath all combined their souls/power to form Super Talos, who then restarts the universe all over again." and it would be "true". As a side note, show me where is specifically says "the Stormcloaks win for a time" I can't find any evidence of that. It's context of "for a time" could very well mean how at the beginning of the Game, Skyrim is divided evenly.