Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-72.74.78.209-20141019230536/@comment-6685058-20141213220146

73.4.0.122 wrote: This is all I have left to say on the mater. Ulfric challenged Toryig to a duel and he willingly accepted. Ulfric and Toryig both knew who would lose, but Toryig agreed to it anyway because he wanted to defend his honor. Ulfric used the voice to shout Toryig to the ground and then finished him off with his sward. This is a bit different from "shouting him to pieces". But ultimately it does not mater because Toryig was a weak ruler and his stupid policies would have driven Skyrim to ruin. He deserved to be usurped. There are also countless non Nords living in Stormcloak territory who do not complain about being discriminated against at all. There is no evidence of any prejudice against Redguards, Bretons or orcs form the Stormcloaks, rendering the statement "everyone who isn't a Nord is hated by the Stormcloaks" false. The imperial race is also treated well because Ulfric is smart enough to see that the dominion is the real enemy, even if they are fighting against the legion. The Dunmer recently moved to Windhelm from Morrawind and are living in poverty not because they are forced to (Dunmer live outside of the gray quarter in Windhelm) but because they live in poverty because they lost everything in the eruption. It's the same with many Latin American immigrants in the US. They have little to no possessions when they cross the border and need to do what they can to survive. It's far from racism. The only really bad thing the Stormcloaks do is treat the Kajiit and Argonians badly. But i think the tradition of excluding Kajiit and Argonians from entering Windhelm and other cities was started by whatisface murkiller in the first era. Ulfric has simply done nothing to change this, but he probably should. The only "racist" Stormcloak supporters are those two drunks who harassed that Dunmer woman in front of the city. And the owners of the new genesis corner club are just as bad, saying very similar things about the Nords as the drunks say about the Dunmer. Ow out the great war, it says in the book and I quote "the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. The emperor's decision to withdraw from the imperial city in 4E 474 was bloodily vindicated". In other words, lord naarfin's army was annihilated and the Aldmeri army in Hammerfell would eventually lose. So while the imperial army was severally weakened, the dominion had no army left. The dominion is not a super powerful force as many imperial supporters think it is, it can be best robed and almost was. I think Titus Mede was smart to try and end the war at this point, but he let the dominion boss the whole meeting even thought they had the lower hand. The result was a treaty that ceded a quarter of the empire to the enemy, outlawed the empire's inelegance agency, rendering them blind to any future Aldmeri strategy, outlawed the worship of they're most beloved god and gave the enemy the right to imprison and torture innocent civilians for disagreeing with them. That is the kind of treaty a nation gets when they surrender. Thanks to Titus Mede's unimaginable stupidity, the empire has become so unpopular and has been reduced to a weak, collapsing, disorganized third world country that stands literally no chance against the Aldmeri dominion when they invade in the future (and they will). Skyrim has every right to keep itself from going down with the empire, and other provinces should be wise to follow suit. The only place I know of that has Dummer and no problems with Stormcloaks are Dark Water Crossing (isolated from the war) and Riften (which is already has quite a bit of Imperial support). Winterhold, besides the College, has, that my memory serves, no Dummer/Argonians. Dawnstar I know has one Dummer from that Merhenus Dagon quest. As for Titus Mede's "stupid" decision: yes, it was so stupid that I think it was just Bethesda trying to give the Stormcloaks legitimacy in their rebellion. This alone is why I like Oblivion way more than Skyrim. Oblivion didn't have where you felt helpless because the Empire you bled and sweat for basically crumbled to pieces while you were gone. High Elves weren't walking around under Imperial protection blatantly telling you that Altmer are superior to all other races. I want the next game to be somewhere I can rip some Thalmor apart, somwehere I can reconquer lands from the Aldemeri to the Empire.