User blog comment:Zippertrain85/Why the Stormcloaks are right part 2/@comment-9156240-20130604214324/@comment-9156240-20130605165405

((If this is posted twice, my apologies. I'm having technical issues.))

As I said, I'm not arguing for the Imperials (because most of you think that I am for some reason), and quite frankly, I don't have the time to argue with every single one of you, especially since most of these replies are getting repetitive and it's very tiring to make posts replying to every single person saying the same things over and over. For example, I'm trying to explain that if Ulfric surrended, it was certain that he'd get the chopping block for his crimes. Because even though he didn't technically murder the High King, the Imperials, General Tullius, and many of their supporters in Skyrim think that he did. He would have had more chance to survive if he had done something to distract them (something like upsetting all the horses so they go running into the line of Imperials) and then be able to run away and hide while the Imperials figure everything out.

Another thing is that people are starting to speak in a condescending manner (I'll admit, I started to a little bit near the end of my second reply) and doing so takes the enjoyment out of debating. Saying things like "Are you kidding me?" or "That's completely ridiculous" or "The only one making the weak point here is you" is not only deflecting the previous person's entire argument on the claim, but also trying to make it look stupid when every person's argument deserves a chance to be acknowledged and appreciated. It also might hurt someone's feelings. I'm not saying that my feelings were hurt or anything, but just letting you know for the future when debating with others. I know that debates/arguments get really heated, but that's no excuse for being disrespectful.

The last thing that is making replying to this page very tiresome, irksome, and altogether notfun, is the fact that often times there isn't any physical evidence to back up claims that are based on opinions. This makes everything seem biasedbiasedbiased. I'm seeing a lot of "Well it could have been..." or "Well maybe it was..." followed by the person's own personal opinion on how characters or organizations in-game felt about others. I have only been given evidence on a few occasions, and even then, they've done little to prove anything. For example, just because Maven goes to the Thalmor parties and has an Imperial flag in her son's cell, she's an Imperial supporter? Surprisingly enough, no. If you perhaps read all that I had written in that paragraph, you may have noticed that she could just be pretending to support the Empire to reap from the benefits. And once again I'm getting the "good" and "bad" claim without an definitions or set boundaries for what it all means. Even the whole Ulfric saving Nords and not saving others. People think that they can somehow enter Ulfric's mind (a make believe video game character) and know how he feels and what he's thinking. Let me tell you. You can't. Even if he's only protecting these Nord villages because of good reason, that doesn't really say much about whether or not he's racist. And once again, nobody read the second half of that paragraph stating that he likely had these feelings pre-Stormcloak Rebellion, so where are the excuses about resources then?

And really quick, for TheBlackOmen: Maybe read my entire paragraph again, because I clearly stated that the mentality should only be use in dire circumstances where it is appropriate, and some of your examples are dire circumstances where it is appropriate and don't really do much to argue anything... (Damn I did that condescending thing again, I'm sorry!)

I know not everyone is the perfect debater and it's hard to avoid doing these things sometimes, (I'm no saint) but these problems are what take the fun out of debating.

So just letting you know that this is my last reply. I don't want you guys to think that you've "won" because I'm done posting, as I was never trying to fight over anything, I was just pointing out places where the claims in the argument were weak and could be easily attacked by others. I don't believe in either the Stormcloaks or the Imperials and I also don't believe in making posts here if they're not actually going to be taken for what they're worth. Please don't try to reply to this by arguing with my examples or saying I'm wrong. That's basically just totally ignoring everything I just said. Please just take in what I've told you and consider it the next time you decide to debate/argue with them.

Sooo looong, guizzz. I'm actually off to play Skyrim instead of talk about it! Talk about borrring!