Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-4092092-20130801070333/@comment-26893431-20170529154154

Dapoculos13 wrote: On top of what I've already provided, additional sources from both this site and UESP:

"''The green-skinned mer of Tamriel, Orcs are often praised for their crafted heavy armors, outstanding service in the Imperial Legion, and highly upheld code of honor. That is, when they are even praised at all." -Introduction, TESW page Orsimer''

"Despite being called "mer", the Orcs are often referred to as beastfolk. However, they are in fact a type of elf, the closest translation of their name being "Pariah Folk."" -Initial paragraph, TESW page Orsimer

"With skin tomes ranging from light green to dark brown, a heavily muscular frame, and considerable stature the Orsimer stand apart amongst Mer and Men. They also are the only race to display tusks. Born without the magical affinity of their Mer cousins, and following in the footsteps of their revered Trinimac, the Orcs have developed a strong warrior culture that makes them highly valuable in hand-to-hand combat. They often excel as adventurers and legionnaires in the Imperial Legion. This is not to say that they cannot wield magic, however. Certain Orsimer, such as Urag gro-Shub, have gone on to be successful mages, finding employment at such places as the College of Winterhold." -Physiology section, TESW page Orsimer

"Orcs are, in fact, elves, or mer, hence the name Orsimer. They are known to be exceptional warriors similar to Nords, although their culture is sometimes thought of as overly bestial. Despite their barbaric, tribal nature, there is much to admire in their fierce tribal loyalties and generous equality of rank and respect among the sexes. Their impressive warrior qualities stem from their sets of heavy Orcish armors and racial ability to go into a berserk rage, inflicting major damage while caring little for defense." -Personality section, TESW page Orsimer

"Despite the Orsimer being considered beastfolk, during the quest "Discerning the Transmudane" in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, the blood of an Orc is needed to recreate a blood similar to that of the Dwemer." -Trivia entry, TESW page Orsimer

"Orcs have elven blood, but are usually considered to be beastfolk" -UESP page Lore: Orc

On top of six separate sources, on both of the these sites, under the list of races, Orsimer are placd in the Mer category, not Beast. These are the two most influential and widespread fan sources of Elder Scrolls lore and information in the world, sites whose sole dedication is to collect and preserve all knowledge related to the franchise, and keep it as accurate as can be.

And yet even so, you doubt these two giants of information, instead repeatedly referring to the Loremaster's Archive, Pocket Guides and little else. These two sources come from Bethesda's lore-writers, who are infamously known for inconsistencies in their lore making, a perfect example being the debate around Tiber Septim's race and divinity. These two sites are determined to resolve these inconsistencies or provide compromise, fix what Bethesda did not, and provide reliable sources of all lore for anyone to access.

Your ignorance of Orcish heritage is a disgrace to The Elder Scrolls' lore as a whole, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Debunked. No, not debunked, because as always you blindly believe the wiki. Come with factual sources, not with something anyone can edit.