Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-9062114-20140704200351/@comment-9062114-20140704203225

Likes-That-Tail wrote:

Zippertrain85 wrote:

Likes-That-Tail wrote: Zip, I respect what you're trying to do, but it is only going to make it worse. Since the drama has reached other parts of the sites, shutting down to chat will lead to more drama outside of the chat. Not only that, but as soon as the chat is back, the drama will continue. Not only that, but this consensus will not be one sided at all. I guarantee it, and no matter how it plays out, whether the consensus passes or not, there will be even more drama by people bickering about this consensus. The answer to the problem is to actually enforce the rules of the chat, not to shut down the chat. We tried that LTT, but these issues involve Moderators too who are biased for their side of things. Drama could come up, but if that was the case it could rooted out much quicker, as on Wikis everything is written down and in the open, while in the chat people musrt rely on gossip and rumours. My point is, drama outside the chat is much easier to deal with. it may be easier to deal with, but it's more disruptive to the other parts of the wiki. The problem isn't the chat, it's immature users who cause and take part in drama. The chat could be a wonderful feature used to improve the wiki by editing and helping new users, but it has become a more of a playground than a helping ground. We have users making fun of AIDS, rape, other users, and even entire cultures. The problem isn't the chat, it's that most of us do not do our jobs. In fact, as for what I've seen in the chat, the moderators are usually the users breaking the rules. Not only that, but when a moderator calls other mods on them screwing up, drama happens, and it becomes a giant argument. Kinda like the situation between you and Spey. You two need to hug and make up, and then grow up and act like moderators, not like seventh graders. I agree, but quit frankly we've tried everything, and the users who do this just talk back to mods and don't listen to anything. We can't enforce the rules for everyone (due to how some mods take part in this), that's why I don't know what to do.