Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-24640703-20140419210003/@comment-24640703-20140425071658

Dovahsebrom wrote: Contributor 62 wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: The Night Mother is Mephala.

''The Night Mother, my dear friend, is Mephala. The Dark Brotherhood of the west, unfettered by the orders of the Tribunal, continue to worship Mephala. They may not call her by her name, but the daedra of murder, sex, and secrets is their leader still. And they did not, and still do not, to this day, forgive their brethren for casting her aside.''

-Fire and Darkness

This is supported by Kirkbrides statement as Sermon 22 speaks of Mephala and the Morag Tong. Mmmh... ok but isnt that a bit assumed or forced upon? If it was that supported by Kirkbride then why didnt he simply mention, well, Fire and Darkness? Perhaps Fire and Darkness is just another personal writing of personal conclusions based on a few personal findings by another individual.

And yes Sermon 22 is about Vivec and Morag Tong, and it briefly mentions Mephala, and also involves Sithis and Hermaeus Mora if you read deep into it. And about the "darkest mothers of the Morag Tong" that Vivec (arguably raped? and) changed and galvanized into powerful queens of murder.

But do you SEE there any explicit indication or association between The Night Mother and Mephala, other than a mention? Because it's hard to mention assassination in Tamriel without mentioning the Dark Brotherhood and the Morag Tong. And it's hard to mention those without talking of Sithis and Mephala one way or another. I'm not sure if that alone is enough to draw a conclusion... "The King of Assassins presented to Vivec the Treasure Wood Sword. 'Milord,' the King of Assassins said. 'The prince of House Mora is now fond of you, as well. I placed him in the Corner of Dagon."

-Sermon 22

''In order to exist, the Morag Tong must have appealed to the highest power in Morrowind, which at that time, the Second Era, could only have been the Tribunal of Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec. Mephala, whom the Tong worshipped with Sithis, was said to have been the Anticipation of Vivec. Is it not logical to assume that in exchange for toleration of their continued existence, the Tong would have ceased their worship of Mephala in exchange for the worship of Vivec?''

-Fire and Darkness

Sermon 22 confirms Fire and Darkness. "confirms"? You see, that to me is just pushing it again. I'm not saying Mephala isnt. She may very well be. Heck she's always been the most talked-about hypothesis for this question. But that these tentative connections are proof? Nah I can't buy it, because I honestly can't see it. Not substantially at least. Maybe it's me.

But if I was some drunken cospiracy theorist in some Tamriel inn and I wrote in a table cloth "The government owns us, you fools. They make up bullshit spook stories about divines and undead and dragons just to keep our asses in check. And that fkn Tribunal is one of them man. They own Morrowind and so they own the Morag Tong too. It's proven fact! So is there a doubt in anyone's mind that their bitch Almalexia is their fkn Night Mother? It's all there man!", than Sermon 22 would also confirm this by the SAME logic of your last example.

And either way, we would still be dancing around the most solid fact that we have instead of examining it: "Sermon 22 speaks to the nature of the Night Mother". There we DO know that an answer and a connection exist somewhere.

And it's there that, if I was to get on the Mephala wagon and ignore the similar Regduard woman and Lucky Old Lady and Sithis' Dunmer wife theories and "darkest mothers" of Tong, it would be due to the "Black Hands" reference... THAT got me thinking. Because she has two. And the Brotherhood has one...