Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4290456-20140319121732/@comment-24075086-20140421212723

WC-83 wrote: Have you forgotten that the Nods hate the Dunmer? They launch racial slurs and sequester them to Windhelm's ghettos? And as for your charismatic leader, as noble as he may be (and he is, he is not that bad a guy, he is honorable and true in his intentions of freedom) he is not a statesman, he can't rebuild Skyrim in a day, land to distribute, prisoners to punish, resistance to crush. And then a Reign of Terror (most likely, this often occurs after a successful revolution, though the American Revolution is an exception). The people of Hammerfell may or may not join, they seemed to be doing fine before. Now for the treaty, what choice did they have? They had this one chance to end the war and regroup before they become destroyed by the Thalmor (who had much more powerful units and resources at the time). And before the Civil War, people could freely worship Talos in secret (I believe in Talos!), but Ulfric Stormcloak drew attention to Skyrim with the war when he didn't let the Forsworn worship their gods (not saying the Forsworn are right, they are evil people, barbarians).

Before you start spitting out your hate rhetoric, denouncing reasonable theories as "propaganda", at least look at all angles and possibilities first. Oh the dunmer? Must be a Skyrim noob then, if you've played Morrowind then you'd know that the dunmer treat "outlanders" about 100 times worse than the Nords treat the dunmer who are "too proud to see how things are" according to a HIGH ELF living in windhelm and is treated well by the Nords. The dunmer aren't treated equally because they aren't equals! The dunmer are REFUGEES meaning they are basically freeloading off Ulfric's charity living in the nice safe city, and not paying taxes like the nords are. Hell one of the Dunmer in the city one who actually lives there not as a refugee but as a local farmer says that the others should just get off their asses and stop asking for handouts.

LOL worship in secret? So the people that were being nabbed from their own homes were just accidents then? We even have proof that the empire is helping the thalmor kidnap and torture people and covering their tracks. Also what makes you think the empire regaining power would be any different from the chaos you just described? Already Tullius said that uprisings were happening all around Cyrodil...yeah the imperials themselves can't even stand the empire's incompetence, you regain Skyrim by force and the half that supported ideas of freedom aren't just magically going to change their minds you know they'll struggle the same as if not worse than a stormcloak victory.

The empire had their chance to destroy the thalmor when the thalmor were on their last legs during the end of the great war but they threw that chance away and decided to sign the most obscene joke of a treaty ever known. It's time to hand control over to somebody who won't fuck up a victory into a defeat.