User talk:Cheatcodechamp/Archive 3

Pages updated
Hey CCC, just updated both pages although The Taste of Death page really does need a lot of work, so I may not leave it locked for too long. Interesting about the remark that Alduin makes about wielding the Blades Sword in his presence. I've never heard him say it, but maybe that's because I've never used a Blades Sword. PS: Time to archive your talk page! — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  18:31, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup, it drives me nuts! Next time I'm gonna archive it for you! :P Thanks for fixing up The Taste of Death page a bit, too. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  04:44, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re:PAGENAME
Hey CCC, and thanks for the reply very quickly. As a fellow Patroller (on a different wiki) I know how - in light of another term - sometimes frustrating it can be when new users attempt to overhaul a few things. So for that I extend my apology. I'll keep what you told me about the site editing guidelines in mind in the future.

As per the IRC, I have tried a few times to work an IRC, but personally I just find it way too complicated and non user friendly, so sadly I don't think I'll be joining on IRC any time soon. But, know if The Elder Scrolls wiki ever decides to go with Wikia's chat function, you'll see me there ;)

Anyways, again thanks for the clarification and see yea around editing.

Yours Always; -- The Old World Relics (talk) 07:25, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. I'm currently an active Patroller on Nukapedia, The Fallout Wiki. -- The Old World Relics (talk) 07:36, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words of my wiki. We do try a fair bit to keep something good going there. And ahaha...oh...at the Nukapedia chat you can hear oh a fair share of stories of how bad some other wikis are. Kinda makes you glad you've become a part of nice wikis like The Elder Scrolls and the Fallout wiki eh? -- The Old World Relics (talk) 07:55, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hello There...CCC
First I must commend you on having 7,000 achievement points and being ranked #7. seven-thousand and seven, get it? Well, I know Tim has 36,719 points or something similar, but I know Tim, and I do not know you... I myself was ranked number 5 back in the glory days of this site. Alas, I haven't been on here in over a year, due to further studies...Anyways, did you like that page? Recently, I've taken on the mantle of creating pages for this wiki. The Elder Scrolls is a passion of mine. I'd gladly do it until World's End. Of course, I'm stuck being a try-hard, typing from my own knowledge....Shehai was one of few topics I know only a little about. But that didn't stop me. I got a little info from this site, I can't really source it. The rest is really me. Check the terms, and people, like Hunding, and the Timeline of the Elder Scrolls, in the First Era. You'll find it. But...I dunno. I wish some of these people would lay of the edits for Talos' sake, for all my edits are the size of China, judging from the size of this message. It was supposed to be a simple greeting-goodbye sort of thing....

Hope to hear from you again.

User:LukaSlayR13• "Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the Hero, there is no Event." 02:38, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

________________________________________________________

Absolutely love how I said I knew Tim. My life must be reconsidered ://////////

I am NOTHING WITHOUT MY DEAR FRIEND......

It's like he's dead :( You've brought out the emotional side of me, dammit!

As for IRC, I must submit this device known as a laptop up to the superior of the household for she requires it. As long as I know you'll reply to this, even though I won't be on again until morning......welp. yeah. Catch you then.

User:LukaSlayR13• "Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the Hero, there is no Event." 03:16, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Im on every day, so even if we dont see each other on the IRC i can respond here Cheatcodechamp (talk) 03:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Videos
I see. There's not really any way to control this now, since Wikia decided to make videos integrated with all wikis. There is no edit feature in the admin control panel to disable videos. We still have our policy to follow though, and it does seem that this user is only uploading videos to advertise his videos. There have been no edit contributions. So, they will be deleted. Please leave him a message about the video policy. I will delete the videos in a few minutes. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  00:40, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

hey there Cheatcodechamp, thanks for responding and letting me know about Timion..

ok..I tried it again but I cant get the picture to appear on the page..it just uploaded it to the new photos section again...can you help? lol thanks again

Lance

Lanceholl (talk) 18:57, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

YAY!! I got it! lmao thanks man!

Lanceholl (talk) 19:31, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Articles to be Merged
Some of the articles marked for a merge could still use it, such as the Potions (Leveled) to Potions (Skyrim). It's just a matter of someone taking on the task of combining the info from one page to the other, especially if it's all duplicate information. There is no set time limit on how long a page can remain marked as needing a merge. If a page has been marked as needing a merge for a long time and there has been no discussion about it, then I would say it's safe to remove the merge template, like with the Anequina page, which has no discussion on the matter.

As for linking a category on a page, you have to add a colon in front of Category, for example: Category:Articles to be Merged, will display as a link and it won't add the page to any categories. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  16:31, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Memes
What memes? Any page in particular? — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  00:52, November 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, yes, if someone is posting stupid memes just for the purpose of trolling a blog, then those messages are grounds for removal. That falls under the "Comments that do not contribute anything to the discussion" and "Comments that contains an image" section of the blogging policy. So, it is not allowed. If you could link me to those blogs that are irrelevant, I'll check them out. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  06:17, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

This is the blog with the pointless images http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:VaughanTES/The_Second_Great_War%3F!_Part_II!

I dont know of any recent images added in with comments. i know of a few jigsaw added back before he got banned, but those have been on for awhile and i doubt we can punish him at this point seeing he can't edit here. Cheatcodechamp (talk) 06:56, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

The Blades
Greetings & salutations,

We are recovering from a home-cooked Thanksgiving feast, so we aren't moving very fast. We are flattered you would ask for our advice.

Much of the page needs revision, starting with the petty details, Way too many duplicate links, misspelled words, phraseology more suited to a novel than an encyclopedia. There are run-on sentences, overuse of Dovahkiin and Dragonborn, (we will rephrase a few sentences to show you what we do).

Yes, we agree that the section you are most concerned with doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps it would be better to just refer the reader to the list of related quests. At least put it in a collapsible "spoiler" template.

We fixed some of the most glaring errors, but much more can be done to improve this page.

If Thanksgiving is celebrated where you live, we hope yours was a good one. (Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may DIET) ;-D DarthOrc (talk) 08:36, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Greetings, etc. etc. We doubt that there is only one culprit that should spend some time in Oblivion. This page appears to be the work of many good intentioned editors (and we all what the road to Hell is paved with). It may be prudent to restrict this page to just registered TESWikians, for instance.
 * We are currently working on cleaning up Skyrim locations pages, which often requires the area to be visited in game, a long term project indeed. We will look in on the Blades(Skyrim) page from time to time, though. DarthOrc (talk) 08:02, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Photos
Hi, saw you talked about pictures for the Blades page. I took these of "my" Blades when training and when going Dragon hunting. I´ve uploaded them and if you want to use them pick the ones you like.

Blades and Dragon, Blades shot a Dragon, Blades Training and Training Session.

Ps, I don't mind if you don't use them either :)

EbonySkyrim (talk) 17:16, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi CCC (can I call you that? It's easier:))
 * I had know idea that there was a policy for having pics on the profile as I've seen others have several non-game related ones on theirs. Sorry for missing that. Anyway, as you hadn't decided yet if you wanted to use any of the Blades pics I uploaded until you are finished with editing the Blades (Skyrim) page I put them on my profile so they wouldn't be deleted by accident and when or if you decided to use any I was going to remove them from my profile page.


 * EbonySkyrim (talk) 07:57, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

UESP Content
Hi Cheatcodechamp. I am pretty active on UESP (as? JR). I registered here to try to keep/make things nice and collaborative when there are any content use issues between the two wikis.?

Please take a look at your posts between around Feb, 2012 to at least April, 2012 and try to take care of any content that was improperly transferred from UESP. I don't know about your own community's policies, but as far as I know, I don't think we demand that all content copied or derived from our site be immediately removed. I know that it can be tough to create such content "originally." So, I think it is ok if you take some time and work on getting content that was taken from UESP into an original form or making proper attribution to UESP, that is good enough for us, as long as there is a reasonable pace of progress.

Thanks a lot, and please contact me any time, about this, about the reverse situation (if it appears that any TESW content improperly appears on UESP), or about anything else.?

Lydia&#39;s Follower (talk) 06:16, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Blades (Skyrim)
Like what I've done with the page so far? Quick access - here.

Ikabite (talk) 18:44, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not saying the page is done. In fact, not nearly so. I would love some help with the pictures, which are clearly lacking. And the rest of the page should be completely rewritten. The walkthrough part should not be there at all, as it is all described in the Main Quest (Skyrim) page. At least it should be, or the page should link to something alike. What is left, in my opinion, are a section about actual interactions with the faction in game. Such as Esbern's potions and recruitment of new Blades. Most of the suggestive stuff on the page could be shortened and added to the Trivia part of the page.


 * Ikabite (talk) 18:55, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have added an image for the infobox. If there are specific types of images that you are looking for to add inline with the text, you can add an image request to the Image Request page with your specifications. The page does look a lot better than it was before. The history section is a bit long for the Skyrim Blades page, something that should be mostly covered on the Lore Blades page already. Other than that, if you or anyone else still feels that more changes can be made, then go for it. Great work to all of those who are involved in fixing this up. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  20:22, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Re:Blades (Skyrim)
The picture... well, I was hoping to find his skeleton in the Bloated Man's Grotto, but I couldn't, but I was already there, so I thought... Ahh, what the hell, since I am here, I better do something. It will serve as a picture dedicated to him, as we will add pictures of Esbern and Delphine later. I am on a new playthrough and will make pictures of the Temple and Blades soon enaugh.

Ikabite (talk) 01:21, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Blades (Skyrim), version 2.0
Hey CCC, Looks good to me. It's an obvious improvement over what it was before, so the advisory templates can be safely removed. Just one minor thing before you move on to another project, the endspoiler tag has been removed from your last edit, so it's hiding part of the info on that page. That's all, great work. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  05:05, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, Cheatcodechamp,


 * First off, if you want to know why I did what I did, check the history page. I have included reasoning for every single edit, just because I knew you may not like some of it.


 * Secondly, you've now accused me of "just copy&pasteing, which is not how wikies are written" about three times. That and shortening the lore part of the article, to use your own phrasing, "crawls under my skin a bit". But I knew the lore had to be shortened and so I did myself, as you can see.


 * Now back to accusations. Yes, I can not deny that most of the lore stuff are somewhat copied out of books, they are however rephrased and adapted to the page. Aside from few lore pharagraphs there are no copying present on the page. I did try to rewrite some of the content of the page after the first accusations, additionaly it helped to make the page little more viewable and shorter.


 * And finally, why did I cut stuff you added? I know you tried to fix some of the walkthrough-ish part of the page. But as I said several times before it was an unneeded section. I do not know why did you put some work into it. There are quest pages for that reason, and quest pages are linked several times on the Blades page.


 * Ikabite (talk) 20:12, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

"If it isn't broken, don't fix it!"
Really?

Why did you change my original title then?

The section of the lore speaks of how Blades came to their state seen during the Dragon Crisis, a.k.a. "Downfall".

Why your title doesn't fit? Now, let's see what other content I have so wrongly fixed.
 * Section speaks of events in Fourth and Third Eras.
 * It lacks all events connected to the Blades, that happened in the Fourth Era, as it's not the focus of it.
 * Title "Fourth Era" make it look somewhat chronological, thus begging for sections as "First Era","Second Era" and "Third Era"

"In the Fourth Era, the Blades role the Emperors guard was replaced by the Penitus Oculatus. But the Blades continued their secret work, to watch for the Dragonborn and guard against future enemies of the empire."

The part you "rephrased", or the very beginning of the sentence doesn't make any sense, so I changed it. Moreover, I shortened it, cutting out unnecessary wording.

"...and started a secret war with the Thalmor."

"A secret war" is a very silly terminology, additionally we do now know what exactly they did. It could have been spying, warning, sabotaging. The term "war" suggests an open conflict with warfare.

"...and an ultimatum for the Emperor Titus Mede II with a long list of demands..."

As I explained in the description, ultimatum is a list of demands. It's irrational... "a list of demands with a list of demands".

And that's it, I believe. Are you happy with the explanations now?

If you are still mad at me and believe page needs other content I can see only one solution to this. We need an admin to compare the pages. Yours can be seen via the history, mine can be seen now. And then he will decide. We are both too emotionally involved in this right now.

Ikabite (talk) 20:53, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now the "Related Quests" bit is really vital to be page, you should add it back. Ikabite (talk) 22:55, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * There was a reason I put it there.
 * If "Interactions" section follow the "Members" section pictures are going to interact with the spoiler template and will page the whole section tighter. This will cause loads of additional problems.
 * "Trivia" section is needed right after the "Ineraction" section, as there are tips and hints how to recruit the followers and put them to a good use.

About the image requests. I know Esbern never puts Blades Armor on, but he does have a specific robe or a shirt he puts on after being rescued from Thalmor.

Ikabite (talk) 23:40, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Check the Esbern page to see both outfits. - here? Ikabite (talk) 23:45, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I see you will be checking up on me now... And, yes, "durak", does mean "fool". Russian is one of many languages I speak, I can't write tho'. Let me find how it's written in their alphabet, you can check the pronounciation on google later. It's "Дурак". If you write that with latin, it is "Durak".

Ikabite (talk) 23:58, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Blades
Ok, I think that I'll lock the article for about 1 day to let everyone cool off and work on something else. In that time i'll look at the article and see if there is anything I can add. It's been good work so far, but we don't want an edit war.

Jimeee (talk) 09:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Re images
Hi Cheat, first I want to say that I didn't know that I could do an archive page. Thanks for letting me know. About the Guild armor picture name, sorry. I usually upload a replacement (if png) in the name but when I did this one I didn't think straight. After I had done it (it was late) I realised I could have had asked to get it renamed.

Finally, I asked Tomb when I had been made MOTM what else I could do and she said to me, (it was higher on the talkpage), "You can continue on what you've already been working on, note/journal images, character images, etc. If you find location images (or any other type) that are really dark or include the HUD, feel free to improve the image or upload a new higher quality one."

She also told me earlier that she wanted character/character type images to be 600px x 1000/1020pixels so they all was the same size. This was just 246 × 468 pixels.... I know this isn't a character but it still was a full figure as the character images. Sorry about that.

EbonySkyrim (talk) 21:37, November 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I did an archive page, but how do I get larger text like you have? I looked at your coding but can't figure it out!
 * EbonySkyrim (talk) 22:09, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page
Hi. I don't know what a CVN is! There is no burned bridges between our wikis that I know of. I know that there was some conflict at one point in the past, but it seems to me that it has been considered long over, at least by anyone that I've talked to. If you are making progress, in the way that you said, I (personally) think it's fine. (Again, I can't speak on behalf of the whole community at UESP, but I don't have any reason to think that anyone is too worried about it, even if you are going relatively slowly. At some point in the future, I might take a look and think about HOW slowly it seems to be going, but if there is reasonable progress, I feel fine. I don't plan to watch you. I might look in a month and if I think there's still a problem, we can talk about it again, in a cooperative way.

It can be very hard to change something from being borrowed to making it your own. I know this mainly because I used to teach in a university, and so I have lots of experience with "plaigerism." Most schools now have a different attitude about it than in the past. It used to be considered very serious. Now, most (not all!) schools and professors try to educate students about the issue, at least the first time!

If you want to show me any example of how you are re-doing something, you are very welcome to. It can't just be 80% of the same thing, but changing around words here and there and re-ordering sentences, etc. Someone who is looking at both pages should not have any reason to believe that one of them came from the other one.

Like I said, this can be tricky. Very hard! If you want any HELP with it, let me know. You could give me one or more links to what you've done. But only if you think it might help you. I don't want to be the police. I just thought to make this offer in case you or your colleagues do a lot of work and then "we" think it is still a problem. That would be a headache!

If you want to propose any kind of more formal way of working toward common goals between our wikis, talk with some of your community members, and see if there's already some strong relationships (maybe between some of our administrators or most senior people). If not, I can certainly post something on our community portal page (or you can) and we can perhaps identify some people who agree to be in touch with each other and think of possible ways to help each other out. Take care! Lydia&#39;s Follower (talk) 07:20, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Pinged out
Yeah, it's really good. I wanted to know if you knew anything about the hard and speedrun modes that are supposed to be out today, but I couldn't find them. Doesn't matter though. 05:01, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what I'm doing.
Hey there! Thanks for the message. (Skip past this I found it haha) To be honest I do have a small question. When I'm trying to edit a page, I only get the option to edit the smaller sub topics, and not the whole article. What am I doing wrong? Don't feel obligated to reply =)... So I edited all the bug in a jar articles to show what the real meaning of the jar inscriptions are.

Thanks for that. For me it isn't under "edit" it's under "scribe" for some reason, but anyway I figured it out. Well unfortunately it's not a "fact", in the sense that it's been confirmed by bethesda. When skyrim first came out I looked at the jars and figured it out right away. I then looked at the wiki and around the net and saw there were hundreds of ridiculous theories about what the symbols meant. Unfortunately I thought "Eh someone will get it". I have shown about 10 people and all of them have agreed hands down. I'm glad you contacted me right away, because I obviously I don't want to add false data to the wiki, but I also don't want to go through the hassle of having to convince the entire internet (discussion forums and redit have hundreds of threads dedicated to the symbols). Anyway here I am a year later and no one has changed it, in fact there are even more crazy theories. ~NextineX

Re:Edits
Yes of course, I will try to keep them condensed.

Ash Spawn
Look man, I'm half sorry for cussing, but the information I put up there on the Ash Spawn page was completely relevant. I understand what not to do here, but seriously. Your reasoning...whatever.

Draven Mephilés of Faerûn (talk) 07:51, December 5, 2012 (UTC)Draven Mephilés of Faerûn.

Re: Blades
Hi, I picked Calder and Argis the Bulwark with Lydia. Oh and BTW, I can't get the fontsize any bigger for the word archive as I tried a few days ago, but it doesn't matter. If I use header 2 on it, it goes into the list of content. :)

EbonySkyrim (talk) 06:34, December 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Never thought about using others than them in your houses... (sigh). Anyway, i saw tomb had added the archive template to Ikabites page and I tried that and it is fine. you don't have to bother to figure it out. Thanks for the help.


 * EbonySkyrim (talk) 09:24, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

CVN
I haven't been on IRC that much today, but if you don't see FurryRC in the CVN room, then that is why it's not showing any activity. If FurryRC isn't back in the CVN tomorrow, then Firebolt should probably be made aware that it's not running. I'll check back tomorrow. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  06:55, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, that's strange. Yeah, your best option is to use RecentChanges on the wiki for now. If it's still not working by tomorrow, I'll let Firebolt (Sactage) know. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  07:00, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

UESP Content
Hi. Thanks for your last message on my talk page. I took a look at your contribution list from February 29th until March 8. I did see that you have made some progress, but I found quite a few articles that have content from UESP. It's true that most of these are short, but the problem is the same: The content is exactly copied or almost exactly copied.

Here are some of the examples I found:. It's only a little bit of text, but the problem is that several chunks of the text are directly copied.

Here is another:.

Another one that's just a few lines, but they are copied word-for-word:.

Two sentences copied exactly:.

Background section copied:.

Background section:.

copied from.



The background, and also the related quests descriptions. I think I noticed this on that last one, also. Please check that your quest descriptions are TESW's work.

description and sentence about trivia.

The list of related quests and their descriptions; the two notes.

Both sentences in the expansion.

the added sentence.

one sentence plus related quest description.

description, plus related quest description.

I did not check every one with a microscope, so please excuse me if I included something that was not copied. I just looked at your changes, checked to see if they are still on your current page, and then checked our site.

Like I said before, just let me know if you can at least start working on taking care of these. Then, please check from March 8th and earlier.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. I know it's a pain, and I apologize. I know you'd rather be doing other stuff. (I would, too.) Like I said before, I think most people at UESP are happy to be TESW's friends, and we understand why this happened. I hope we can just get it cleaned up wherever we see it. I have just started to log in to our own IRC sometimes. I still don't know what a CVN is. Video chat? We have the old-fashioned kind of IRC channel. The info is here:. If I am on there, it with the same nick as my UESP username: JR. I don't know if I'll join your chatroom right away. But I might after I can get some other stuff done. Meanwhile, you're welcome to join ours and come there to look for me or someone else if you want to talk directly. Thanks! Lydia&#39;s Follower (talk) 10:19, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for the heads up with the images, took me a while to get the hang of deleting them but I think I've finally figured it out. I've also remembered to click preview before publishing. Thanks for the advice. AlexNeen (talk) 13:47, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
I guessed about trying to get original images for the Wiki, which is why all the images i've uploaded have been taken from in game. And I know what you mean, ever since Skyrim was released, I've just felt as if the games been forgotten, and when I came on the wiki trying to find a character I remembered but forgot where he was, the page was of no help. So I thought, I can't expect people to do everything, I may aswell do it.

Apart from getting used to the use of templates. Since, on the first page I edited, the template was full and all there, lately i'll see a character page with Location, faction and occasionally the image part missing. So i've been trying to figure it all out. I think i've got the hang of it though.

AlexNeen (talk) 18:24, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Reply
Hi. Ok that's funny. I thought you were suggesting that I join your chatroom, and it was called a CVN! We call that our "RC list" (recent changes). Thanks. And yeah, again, take your time. Lydia&#39;s Follower (talk) 02:21, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Morrowind:
So far the most useful console command i've found in screenshotting characters in the game is 'tm' which simply removes the interface. If there are others that could aid me, I don't know, but now I will surely check to see if i'm missing any useful ones.

Oh, sorry, I wasnt aware of that category, I'll go back on all the ages i've done that come under that category (and add it to any I do in the future), thanks for th heads up.

I've noticed that the focus now is on Skyrim, but thats fine, as long as people are regularly contributing. Maybe eventually, when Skyrim's pages are fully completed, everyone will move onto the older games, just to help out.

AlexNeen (talk) 19:39, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

I checked just before, I seem to have the only code that will be of use for taking sceenshots, but thanks anyway. I could of been making it harder for myself if there was actually a code there. Thank you, the only problem with the images so far, is the annoyance of them nearly all being in attack position, instead of the standard position with their weapon sheathed. Although, I actually enjoy taking pictures of the enviroment and the Dunmer strongholds for example.

It's fine, i'll add to it. It'd make sense to have more than the 4 people in the bandits in the bandits category.

If other people arn't willing to help with them, I'll do the morrowind ones, and heck, if when thats done the Daggerfall or arena pages are in need of some help, i'll download them, play them and then add to those pages. (Give me some fun gaming aswell as a way to help out after all)


 * AlexNeen (talk) 19:53, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

TombRaiser told me about a console command that I missed 'tai' it disables the AI of the npc's, so they just stand still like statues (I overlooked the command when on the Console Commands page, didnt know what disabling the AI would actually do.), so i've been having to start doing re-runs of the places where i've found the characters i've done, to get the new updated screenshots. Thanks for the idea though.

AlexNeen (talk) 22:54, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Vandals
I dunno. I was just on, and I didn't have much to do, believe it or not. The vandal has been dealt with I'm sure. To be completely honest with you, I only go on now whenever Tim posts, or when something vital is posted here. I'm rather tired of the individual politics between users, especially as of late. Nothing stays the same forever, tolerance varies on this wiki day by day. I do as I should here when I can, but too often it is denied...or someone disagrees with it. I don't know how to explain much right now, I just got home. Send me a message if you need anything.

Talos guide you (I guess.)

User:LukaSlayR13• "Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the Hero, there is no Event." 19:53, December 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * The only time people have a problem is when Luka copies UESP content word for word. Don't do that and you won't get any "disagreements". Jimeee (talk) 23:47, December 12, 2012 (UTC)



Re:Webinar
Videos are not disallowed on the wiki, they are just not allowed in mainspace articles. Videos can still be posted in blogs, forums and on talk pages. The main thing we are concerned about is those people posting videos simply to boost their views on their YouTube accounts, those people end up making money from simply spamming their videos on here.

It is perfectly acceptable for a user to post a video on a talk page to help someone out of a difficult situation, or to aid them in finding hidden area that's hard to find in the game. You are free to listen to the Webinar about videos, I stand by the policy as it is now, but for the policy to change on how videos are added to pages is something that would have to be voted on and not just a decision to be made by one person. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  00:32, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Arena Images
Hi, I took the screen shots from the game myself and uploaded them here (same with the images of the Heart of the Udyrfrykte & Bathmar Bold-Lute from Bloodmoon), if they do look like a copy of someone elses images from another site, I can upload one of my others to not look like theres. Usually, before I upload a image I search around first to see if its not a copy of someones.Clyde BLUESNAKE (talk) 03:14, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Ideas
Well, I'm at a loss for those ideas. I hardly remember now. Yeah, I guess tha means they weren't important. Hey, I appreciate it C, I'll get back to you tomorrow after the dreadful day of academics. Oh and I ommited names for these messages are public. It doesn't matter, all I know is tha this is what drove me away a year and a half ago. What's worse, it was nothing like it was then, like it is now.

- Na lû e-govaned vîn!

- Abarad.

User:LukaSlayR13• "Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the Hero, there is no Event." 03:13, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Odahviing
Hello there. Any chance you, or someone with the rights to, take a look at Odahviing please. Could do with updating and and a good tidy up. Cheers Lee VEGETA  talk 03:02, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers for the info, I wasn't sure who could edit. I'll have a word with one of them, cheers Lee VEGETA  talk 18:19, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Akavir legend
Did you check if that page was fan fiction before categorising it?

Jimeee (talk) 20:44, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * The point is sometimes you can't/shouldn't have to wait for other people to confirm or deny if its fan fiction - you need to investigate this sort of additions yourself. Jimeee (talk) 21:44, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Bug wording
Hey up. Any advice on bug wording please? Trying to figure out if non recurring bugs should be listed as "will happen" or "might happen". The page in question is Severin Manor due to the bugs list saying flat out that they will happen, when in fact some are rarer than others. Any advice will be appreciated. Cheers Lee VEGETA  talk 20:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not so much of the style I have problems with, it's the way the bugs are listed as "this WILL happen" when in reality they might happen. Is it better to put, for example, "Bodies of the people killed before the house is owned do not disappear." or is better to have it read "Bodies of the people killed before the house is owned might not disappear."

I've gone through Dragonborn four times so far, and not had this happen once. I hope that helps in answering. I tend to go a bit long winded with these, sorry Lee VEGETA  talk 20:21, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Re Request
Hi CCC, I've just bought both Oblivion and Morrowind just for fun :) from Steam. Sure, I'll get a better image of him as soon as I've got so far in the story. He is still in his priest clothes at the moment in my game. I'm slowly learning the controls, leaving Morrowind to later. But a better image will come soon.

EbonySkyrim (talk) 20:05, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Images
CCC, you need to stop asking people to prove or specify exactly where they get images from. Even suggesting they "borrowed" them from another site (if they clearly didn't) is bad form.

If it's an image from an older game and it's clearly not from uesp.net, then there is no need to ask any further questions. We simply go on good faith that the user took the image themselves. The last thing we want is to offend the people who are actually helping out the content of older games.

Jimeee (talk) 02:44, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is nothing wrong with asking or reminding people to add the licencing template to images if they have missed it out - that of course is fine.


 * What we don't require is people making a note on every single image they upload that "I took this image myself". Does TombRaiser or Ebony do this? No, because it's not needed. We assume good faith.


 * Like I said, the only thing you need to do if the image is suspect, is check the uesp page. If it's clearly not the same then it's cool. If the licencing template is missing then remind them.


 * Asking a user for proof or to state that they took the image themselves is not required.


 * Jimeee (talk) 11:38, January 1, 2013 (UTC)



Re: Fine Raiment
I obtained the Fine Raiment through console commands in order to get the screenshot on that page. As far as I know Jarl Elisif is the only one that wears it. I don't know who wrote that Sylgja sells it, because she's not even a merchant. The only other type of Fine Raiment you can get is the from doing the misc quest for Radiant Raiment, but that one is called Radiant Raiment Fine Clothes. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  20:30, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re...congrats
Hey CCC, I wonder if you thought it was DarthOrc you were leaving the congrats message too? As you wrote "you guys" :)

EbonySkyrim (talk) 19:50, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re: The Battle-Borns with a little twist!
According to the CK Idolaf Battle-Born is the father of Jon Battle-Born, and Alfhild Battle-Born is Idolaf's wife, not sister. Jon Battle-Born is however listed as Alfhild Battle-Born's sister, so that is the weird part, since that should have made Jon Battle-Born a son-in-law. Lars Battle-Born is listed only as being the son of Alfhild Battle-Born, but not Idolaf.

So, there are still some questionable things about the family tree, or it also could be a developers mistake. But, the information on the page should be removed now that we know Idolaf and Alfhild are not brother and sister, but husband and wife. You could note the strangeness of having Alfhild being listed in CK as a brother of Jon, since that is the only part that doesn't add up. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  21:40, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Update:
 * So, the CK has Idolaf Battle-Born and Alfhild Battle-Born listed as being the children of Olfrid Battle-Born. That could just mean that at least one of them is the in-law.


 * I also checked Bergritte Battle-Born's profile in CK, and she is listed as the mother to Idolaf, Jon, and Alfhild. See where I'm going with this? Jon can't be the son of Idolaf, because he's the son of Bergritte...but, Olfrid Battle-Born is not listed as being the father of Jon. Lol. Okay, I'm so confused right now. Break time. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  22:20, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re: New patroller
I don't know why I locked the page back in September, but it's unlocked now. You should ask Ebony first if she would like to be a patroller. Not everyone wants to be one, so it's always best to ask before nominating someone. Remember that being patroller means more than just being actively editing the wiki, but also actively taking initiative in fighting vandalism by either reporting it on VIP or reverting vandalism right when it's seen. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  06:20, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re Patroller
Hi CCC, I'm really flattered that you want to nominate me to be a patroller. I've been thinking since I saw your message, I haven't been home all day so I haven't read through the page yet. I'll need another day or 2 to think and then I'll let you know... Is that fine? :)

EbonySkyrim (talk) 18:54, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Ebony warrior
don't just change articles without researching them, the ebony warrior is a redgauard as you should have known if you had actually bothered to fight him and defeat him, he is definately not a nord behind that helmet!

the ebony warrior is definately a redguard, I have defeated him and removed his helmet and he's definately not a nord :L TheJ00baby (talk) 22:46, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * He is a Redguard. Jimeee (talk) 00:53, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't re-call it ever being mentioned that Sovngarde was restricted to the Nordic people only. Tsun even says that all are welcome as long as they prove themselves worthy. (The Ebony Warrior might follow Nordic traditions, but he is still a Redguard, as that is his race.) For instance, I wouldn't be Asian simply because I visited Asia and started following their customs and beliefs. 67.187.96.246 01:02, January 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * While Tsun says all are welcome, everything else says Nords only, even when you visit it in game you only see Nords, if all could enter then logically you would see other races. even in game books state it is the "Nordic hall of the dead".-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 01:17, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to contradict you, but you do indeed find other races in Sovngarde. Imperials from the Imperial Legion can be find there, along with Ysgramor, whom was an Atmoran, not a Nord. I'm sure there are other examples, but those are the two off of the top of my head. 67.187.96.246 01:41, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, there are Imperials along with Nordic Imperial Legion troops. I'm sure this can be confirmed by someone playing Skyrim through the PC. Also, saying that Nords are in the same classification as Atmorans is like saying that dogs are in the same genus as wolves. Yeah, Nords originated from Atmorans, but so did Imperials and Bretons, which are entirely different races now. So no, Ysgramor was not a Nord. 67.187.96.246 02:41, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know the difference between a Nord and an Imperial. And through my multiple playthroughs on Skyrim, I am about 98% sure that I've seen Imperial raced Imperial Legion troops scattered in Sovngarde as a counter-part to the Stormcloak soldiers. Not to mention that I'm still right about Ysgramor, no matter what, since he is an Atmoran, not a Nord. If you say that he counts as a Nord, then you must also recognize Bretons and Imperials as being Nords since they all come from the same Atmoran ancestry, which would be an odd thing to suggest. Anyways, you saying that only Nords are allowed in is base speculation, which has more proof against it by what I've mentioned than to the contrary. Books and the like are not evidence for your side, since any sources relating to Sovngarde were either created by stories stitched together from talking to Nords, or are speculation over the subject, with no proof to actually back up any of their findings. As for the Ebony Warrior being a Nord with really dark skin, I would like to mention that each race have facial distinctions that are unique to their ace and can't be replicated through other races. I powered up Skyrim earlier, and he looks exactly like the other Redguards that players are able to create, and only looks slightly like the Nords because they both have the thick build. Also, I seem to re-call the Ebony Warrior having dreads, which is a unique trait amongst the Redguard race. My mind could be playing tricks on me over that, though. I'd have to see about defeating him again and finding out. 67.187.96.246 14:59, January 14, 2013 (UTC)