Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-24325144-20150106201659/@comment-1738746-20150110000529

Ghost Anubis wrote: Bluesonic1 wrote: EbonySkyrim wrote:

Bluesonic1 wrote: I really think speculative trivia could benefit from a similar template-tagging system that the Bug section is going to hopefully transition to- in that unconfirmed or speculative points get a kind of thing next to them so people know that it's an interesting point to read but it's also speculative in nature. That way it can stay on the article's page without presenting itself as 100% factual. Why should we even have speculation, no other wiki or even wikipedia have speculation. It needs to be confirmed until we add it to our articles. The trivia section is for facts and not speculation like this for example: this character is probably related to this character in another game. As Ghost say in his post.. it's removed for a good reason.. Several people have brought it up here so perhaps it's something you guys haven't considered. Speculation that is backed up by references is still valid information worth giving to our readers. You guys have pushed the Wiki to providing source material and references to everything we say, to which we do, but it's still not good enough? Do you want this Wiki to just be black and white and solely information strictly from the game only? That's so boring, and actually defeats the purpose of the Wiki. This place is meant to provide all the information it can, whether that be from official sources or not. It's funny that you Ghost, make comments like that, when you've left speculation I've posted (with references) on several articles in the past.

Perhaps you don't understand what I mean by speculation; information should still be referenced, and people need to provide links to the source material. But it would still be considered speculation because it was never officially confirmed by the game creators themselves. Doesn't mean that it's not interesting or a possibility to be honest. It's just sad to see the Wiki be so black and white and lacking in so much detail.

Upon later consideration, Wikipedia actually does include speculative information as well in their articles. And as I have suggested, they use an 'unconfirmed/unverified' tag for such information. Likewise, if an article on the whole is too speculative, they have a verification template to add to the top of the article. Yeah & several people here have also stated that it has no place here. I did that on one article, not "several" Ulfric Stormcloak. To which I might add, I said that you should source it, & also gave you the time to do exactly that, which you never did. It has nothing to do with what you think it was, if I just removed it right away, you would have never learned. That was the purpose of me pointing it out, & also giving you the time to source it.

Your idea of bland, is entirely opinionated however. This is a canon wiki, it exists to provide factual information, adding speculative or unfounded information to articles only hinders the wiki in that regard.

Wow that is extremely rude. Take a look in the Ulfric Stormcloak page history and you'll quickly see that I did go back and reference everything I added to it. And you're right in that sense, because I believe even speculated things should be referenced as well. But I was actually referring to my edits on the Soul Gems page, the Chitin Plate page and the Chitin Armor page with that comment, considering the stuff on Ulfric's article is not speculation anymore as I gathered that from in-game dialogue.

Back onto the policies though, the first point about the Trivia policy (Use this section sparingly. Only important or interesting trivia should be added....) completely goes against the definition of the word trivia itself, which is "details, considerations, or pieces of information of little importance or value." Emperor Maximus said it much better than I could, in that the Trivia section is for things of interest that don't actually contribute much to the overall article. These seems like a fantastic place to put sourced ideas in, and with the edition of some sort of tag so people know that it's not information officially confirmed by Bethesda.