Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-76.97.80.106-20130811163656/@comment-24587225-20140625041701

Also, as said, Ulfric could have simply talked to Torygg. And don't say he was a sellout, if he was, he'd have never accepted a duel he knew he couldn't win. Also, again about Ulfric, I'm almost sure he could have defeated Torygg without the Thu'um.