Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-76.97.80.106-20130811163656/@comment-10207438-20140106023224

GigagamOr wrote: And why was the Empire then willing to sign a contract that banishes the worship of it's founder and gave the Dominion large possessions in Hammerfell (even though the Redguards were able to defend it from the Elves and take back the rest)?

The side that's about to win doesn't sign such a treaty, the losing one does. because the idiot titus mede II didn't want to continue a war, he didn't care about the cost, as long as he didn't have to kill anyone else.

he's much like the court wizard from dawnstar, they don't want to fight, it doesn't matter if they're stronger or weaker, they just want to stop fighting.

218.186.253.72 wrote: Mede himself could have pulled a Leonidas and martyred himself by crushing, or attempting to completely wipe out the AD army, which would lead to a huge psychological victory, even if the physical battle was lost, as that would have made the AD think twice. Except that's exactly what he did in The Battle of Red Ring, the AD army was all but destroyed, the AD only had a small force in hammerfell that was being outclassed by the redguards, sending a legion to bolster their force would have wiped out all the AD soldiers left and it wouldn't have imbittered the Redguards. Girizartar wrote: I have always blamed the Empire for backing out to easily, and I have accused Titus Mede for being a coward and a tratior. But I receantly read about the war of the red ring, which is the event in which the empire led by Titus mede re-captured the Imperial city and I was impressed by their tenacity. But they recieved heavy losses and they would not be able repell an other attack from the dominon, I have never thought about the possibility that Titus signed the concordate to save his people, to save the land from fire and destruction. For some reason I had never thought about like that before. I always say "fight to your last breath"....but maybe not for the expense of thousand of lifes. I have newfound respect for the empire. while true that they would not be able to repel another attack of that magnitude again, The AD had nothing left that could come close to the force they had at the battle of red ring, to put it simply: The AD had nothing left that they could spare that wasn't already in hammerfell, and that force was being repelled by the redguards, a decent sized legion could have come in and eliminated them, that would have left the AD with nothing, the WGC has removed more people from the empire than it saved, it forced the entirety of Hammerfell to withdraw from the empire, and most likely thousand have died in skyrim trying to withdraw from the empire, and if those in skyrim succeed the empire will be left with nothing but Cyrodiil and Highrock, which would most likely not be able to freely trade with eachother, and seeing as that's pretty much what the entire basis of Highrock's economy, they'll most likely withdraw as well.

now tell me if the WGC was worth it, was it worth making an entire country of some the fiercest warriors hate you? and half of another country (also filled with some of the fiercest warriors) warring with you so you can't force them to bow to their enemy, to your enemy? was it worth giving up your god? for what, so a group of countries that had almost no power left could pick any potenital threats to them and execute them for pretty much anything?