Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-9601450-20131225183646/@comment-71.61.177.24-20140404164801

Lukaman2 wrote: no i din't give you credit for making,but for getting the idea to teleport it here.

yes i meant like that,every armor has a light and heavy variant(well most,i can't really think of a light steel,leather,hide but light daedric is ok,orcish also...) but they look different weither they are light or heavy,some even are completely looking different. Oohhh...like Imperial Armor and Imperial Light Armor, you mean?

I...well, to be honest, I don't think we should make the entire armor list like that.

But some armors would be nice with a light version, some with a heavy version.

Forsworn, Glass, and Guard armors could all do with a heavy variant. The heavy Glass could be something like the Vvardenfell Glass Armor and Weapon Set (mod). I include the name rather than the link because the Nexus is currently down for maintenance. :c

Bonemold, Dwarven (there's a mod for light Dwarven armor), Orcish, Ebony, and Daedric could all do with a light variant. (And Ancient Nord Armor, at least on female characters, is so clearly light armor it bewilders me how it got into the Heavy Armor category. I suppose the male version has those big metal plates and such, but overall the armor is more hide than metal. I personally would rank it at just between Dawnguard and Chitin armor on my ranking system above (you'll have to scroll down just a bit).) Daedric of course will have Dremora armor, looking suitably different from Daedric. I imagine it as sort of derived from the female variant of - little plates and chains and minimal spikes. It should keep the swept-up spikes at the chest/collar, though. Those are very cool.

Light Ebony could feature some of the sort of scaled pattern you see on the sides of the torso in regular ebony in Skyrim. (Example) The end result might bear a passing reseblance to that weird diamond-patterned mail-like whatever that constitutes much of MCU Thor's armor. Only the shapes for the ebony look to be more off-kilter trapezoids, and it'd overall be less regular, and it would of course be BLACK AS NIIIGHHHHT

The helm mask should probably be lowered, so you can see the upper half of the wearer's face. The spikes on either side of the helm can also go. I would suggest the pauldrons be scrapped. The loincloth could also be lengthened, lending a less metal and more cloth look to the design. Gauntlets and boots would be less solid and more plated and fitted, and those huge arm parts sticking up from the gauntlets have got to go. I'm basically going for a sleeker, less intimidating Ebony, that still looks like Ebony, for the light ebony. As a starting point, Ebony without the center chest diamond, minus the pauldrons, with a longer loincloth and more fitted, flexible, sleek gauntlets and boots. And those modifications to the helm. I personally do not think there should be gold filigree, as I feel that gold goes poorly with black and that adding gold detracts from the pure-black shadowy vibe I always feel Ebony Armor should have. However, perhaps there could be Embellished variants of both light and heavy Ebony.

Orcish Light Armor would probably involve lots of straps.

Light Bonemold could be like a cross between Bonemold and Chitin.

Heavy Forsworn...well, first of all, basic Forsworn Armor needs an upgrade. The fact that it has a higher armor rating than actual clothes that cover the vital organs is absurd. It should definitely cover up the midriff, the legs, and probably also the upper arms. I'm seeing a loose, sleeveless hide shirt over a thick fur padding, with the shirt cinched in at the waist by a wide bone belt that protects the entire midriff; SOME FLIPPING TROUSERS, with decorations (read: lots of bones) at the top and bottom; the padding undershirt having sleeves that cover the upper arm a little farther than halfway, bound around with leather strips and with feathers at the end; [http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/35486/? this] fur collar; and the back covered in feathers as on the female Skyrim version. The headdress would probably stay the same for the male version, but the female version really ought to be a hairstyle option, not an armor piece. The look of it would be replaced with some animal-head thing - possibly a canid of some sort, I'm leaning towards fox - that's tied under the chin like a bonnet and puts the upper half of an ANIMAL SKULL between the head and oncoming weapons, not to mention the fur on top. There could be guard dialogue about how the Forsworn have gotten smarter. Perhaps we could claim that when the Empire ultimately reclaimed Skyrim (after the first Civil War, which goes unmentioned in the specifics, there'll have been several other ones, one or two years each, one right after the other), the eventual Jarl of Markarth was just like "Alright, FINE, you guys. Have a land allotment. Now DON'T bother us. we're gearing up for war with the Dominion (again) and we DON'T need savages waving sticks getting in the way." Or something along those lines. So then you'd have a sort of Forsworn Reservation, where they just kinda live happily on as if they were native inhabitants of Skyrim and totally not creepy people who do odd things with corpses. And of course you'll be able to go and talk to them, and maybe gain their trust?

The mention of hairdos brings me to a topic I have been hanging on to for I forget how long - hair changing. This would essentially involve vanity dressers with mirrors, that you activate to open up a crafting menu where you can change your hairdo. For men, there'd be the category of Hairdos and one for Beards. For simplicity's sake the female version will not include beards, although women really can grow beards in real life. Some hairdos wouldn't require anything. Some would require hairpins (which you could also make shivs out of). If you switch from a hairpin-requiring hairdo to a non-hairpin hairdo, you'll get the hairpins back. Some might need hair ribbons, feathers and/or horns (like the Forsworn hairdo), sticks (there are hairdos in Skyrim that have wooden pins), strips of cloth, leather, or fur, or even twine. There could be a hairdo that has a shiv hidden in your hair, or one that has a necklace or amulet twined into it. When going from a shorter hairdo to a longer hairdo, it'll take a week or two for it to change. When going from a longer hairdo to a shorter hairdo, you'll need scissors. Shorter hairdos or ones where your hair is pinned up or tied back might make you perhaps take 1 point less of damage in combat for every blow struck (because long hair can be used in a fight to harm or disarm one's opponent); fancier hairdos might add one point to your Speech skill as long as you have them. People might comment on your hairdo - for instance, if you have one of the fancier ones, people might make comments as if they assume you're a noble; if you have the Forsworn one, people might say "Woah there - almost mistook you for one of those Reachmen" or something; if you've got a race-specific hairdo not specific to your own race, people might comment on that; if your hairdo is that long, messy one, people might ask you if you even pay attention to your hair. It might come up during courting quests (because marriage in Skryim was crappy and there really need to be courting quests).

I'd best stop there before we end up with another hunting spear.

- WorshipsMeridia