Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-24099618-20140114190300/@comment-16047389-20140326200955

AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote: Dark Jeto wrote: AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote: Agreed. Tiber was a generally horrible person, but atleast he brought peace to Tamriel (for a while). What he did is also definetly not as bad as what the Thalmor want to do. I honestly believe that the things he did were done in order to maintain the Empire. I can't really find anything that he did for his immediate benefit alone. He forced Barenziah to miscarry because he wanted to ensure that his son couldn't be contested for the throne. And most of the lore that says Tiber betrayed Wulfharth comes from the controversial Arcturian Heresey, which may or may not be partially, mostly, or even completely falsified.

In his defense, Tiber never exactly had the chance to be a "person". His duties as both a soldier and an Emperor were all-consuming. He was always an Emperor first, and a human second. Well, let's assume that the Arcturian Heresy isn't faked. He betrayed Zurin and Wulfharth, in order to power Numidium and in order to make him become a god through an Enatiomorph with them. Also, I'll now take some MK lore in it:

So, we know from some sources (such as Heimskrs dialogue) that Tiber achieved CHIM. Even though Vivec claims that CHIM is selflessness, it's more like selfishness (evidence being that both Vivec and Talos don't even bother to do something when Tamriel is in danger). Only when a CHIMster really wants something to be gone/altered, he does it (evidence being Tiber removing Cyrodiil's jungle to help his Army and Vivec sticking Muatra into Azura's mouth and then making her vanish in the Trials because she "popped in" and disturbed Vivec). Also, Tiber might have assasinated Cuhlecain, but that's just a guess. So, we can say that Tiber was generally a selfish person.

I do agree that he had to do questionable things in order to ensure that his Empire is successful (like in RL politics), but he still shouldn't be considered the "uber good super duper friendly guy". No, but he'd definately be in the top 10 rulers of all time. Building a continental Empire from nothing is not something one easily does.