User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20181006

Then you get nothing What is this, communism? ohayoo gozaimasu Oh no Time to leave wiki tthen put the guidance on the template's page Is it about Stub/Incomplete confusion? Except for quest characters. They have a lot of locations which are difficult to be listed in the article, making it meaningless 80-95% of the article = Stub 30-79% = Incomplete ? 1) Expand upon the "Identifying a stub" section of TES:Stub to include more information about when various types of articles are classified as stubs or not, giving broad directives rather than granular instructions, and referencing explanatory blogs where appropriate 2) Add a section on the same project page detailing when to use the various "something is missing from this page" templates, including, , , etc. Their placement in the location is written next to them Not that many editors that can contribute in that field -Contribute to Polish wikia
 * 07:10:42: KINMUNE: Hello there, Dovahkiin150!
 * 07:10:52: Dovahkiin150: hello
 * 07:10:57: Dovahkiin150: bbot
 * 07:11:05: Dovahkiin150: bot*
 * 12:41:55: Nekyn Alb: Hello
 * 12:45:28: RenzXVI: hi
 * 13:33:34: Dovahkiin150: hello?
 * 14:43:41: Emperor Jarjarkine: Supp
 * 19:52:28: KINMUNE: Hello there, DaBarkspawn!
 * 20:00:10: DaBarkspawn: Hello
 * 20:04:38: DaBarkspawn: Is there going to be a Moot today?
 * 20:14:21: Nekyn Alb: Haven't seen any messages about that today
 * 20:14:34: Nekyn Alb: The Moot page should tell tho
 * 20:14:57: DaBarkspawn: The moot page says 8PM UTC on the first Saturday of the month.
 * 20:15:18: DaBarkspawn: It is currently 8:15PM UTC
 * 20:17:27: Nekyn Alb: I asked Atvel
 * 20:18:01: Atvelonis: Yeah there will be a moot today
 * 20:18:22: DaBarkspawn: Hi, there, Atvelonis! Thanks!
 * 20:19:05: Atvelonis: I kinda forgot about it. Been very busy
 * 20:19:08: KINMUNE: Hello there, Pelinal Whitestrake!
 * 20:19:13: Pelinal Whitestrake: Hello
 * 20:19:13: Atvelonis: hey
 * 20:19:26: DaBarkspawn: No worries, I was just wondering if I missed a change in date or something.
 * 20:19:41: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 20:20:10: KINMUNE: Hello there, Aramithius!
 * 20:20:14: Aramithius: Evening all
 * 20:20:18: Atvelonis: o/
 * 20:20:21: DaBarkspawn: Good afternoon!
 * 20:20:26: DaBarkspawn: (PST)
 * 20:20:38: Atvelonis: I think Otto has a topic
 * 20:20:44: DaBarkspawn: I have two
 * 20:20:45: Atvelonis: He may have forgotten he signed up though :P
 * 20:20:47: Atvelonis: Hi Qahn
 * 20:20:53: KINMUNE: Hello there, RhodiumOdi!
 * 20:21:00: Nekyn Alb: Hello o/
 * 20:21:05: Qahnaarin1997: Hello.
 * 20:21:08: Qahnaarin1997: Hey Odi
 * 20:21:31: RhodiumOdi: Qahn!
 * 20:21:38: RhodiumOdi: O/
 * 20:21:40: KINMUNE: Hello there, Stygies VIII!
 * 20:21:42: Atvelonis: heya
 * 20:21:46: Stygies VIII: hey
 * 20:21:46: Nekyn Alb: Heyo
 * 20:21:53: Stygies VIII: heye
 * 20:22:06: KINMUNE: Hello there, DreamSoulshine!
 * 20:22:10: Stygies VIII: I heard there is supposed to be a moot
 * 20:22:13: Aramithius: How long until kick-off?
 * 20:22:16: Atvelonis: There is indeed
 * 20:22:21: Nekyn Alb: -22 minutes
 * 20:22:22: Atvelonis: Well we all seemed to get here a bit late
 * 20:22:22: Stygies VIII: So I came, but I want free cookies
 * 20:22:27: Atvelonis: Normally they start at 4
 * 20:22:29: Atvelonis: hi DreamSoulshine
 * 20:22:32: Atvelonis: Or 8 UTC now rather
 * 20:22:39: DreamSoulshine: Hello
 * 20:22:43: Atvelonis: Nekyn reminded me that we had one today :P
 * 20:22:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 20:22:46: Nekyn Alb: >So I came
 * 20:22:52: Stygies VIII: K bye
 * 20:22:55: Nekyn Alb: I was reminded by Dab Guy
 * 20:23:06: Atvelonis: We'll wait a couple minutes for stragglers and then get startred
 * 20:23:08: Atvelonis: *started
 * 20:23:09: Stygies VIII: 1 cookie for voting no and 2 cookies for voting yes
 * 20:23:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: my pings aren't making sound for some reason
 * 20:23:20: Aramithius: Be grateful...
 * 20:23:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i didn't realise there were people here
 * 20:23:25: Stygies VIII: what kind of discord is this
 * 20:23:34: Nekyn Alb: I have to switch out of the tab and back in for them to work
 * 20:24:01: DaBarkspawn: Do I get three cookies for voting yes on letting people vote no?
 * 20:24:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i switch out and in all the time
 * 20:24:34: Atvelonis: We have a fishy stick-based currency, no cookies here
 * 20:24:34: Nekyn Alb: >letting people vote
 * 20:24:39: DaBarkspawn: Ditto, no audio pings for me, either.
 * 20:24:45: DaBarkspawn: lol, Nekyn
 * 20:24:46: Atvelonis: @Pelinal: how did you ever get that username?
 * 20:24:53: Atvelonis: You'd think someone would have made it in like 2006 lmao
 * 20:25:05: Aramithius: Many mer died to bring him that login...
 * 20:25:11: RhodiumOdi: I’m suprised you didn’t ATV
 * 20:25:11: Atvelonis: You renamed your account in like... 2014?
 * 20:25:13: Atvelonis: haha
 * 20:25:35: Nekyn Alb: Successful mantling
 * 20:25:42: DaBarkspawn: I was reading a previous chat log and someone had the name KhajitGotYourTongue, which is the best name I've seen so far
 * 20:26:04: RhodiumOdi: RhodiumOdiRetard still king
 * 20:26:15: DaBarkspawn: (mine comes from Dragon Age)
 * 20:26:17: Aramithius: So... serious stuff?
 * 20:26:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nah, i've seen a guy named Nobody Else Wanted This Username
 * 20:26:30: DaBarkspawn: :P
 * 20:26:41: Atvelonis: There's The Sienna Who Couldn't Decide on a Username too
 * 20:26:51: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true, that's also a good name
 * 20:26:55: KINMUNE: Hello there, Rozty!
 * 20:26:58: RhodiumOdi: GoReadABook is decent
 * 20:27:00: Atvelonis: hi
 * 20:27:11: Stygies VIII: hai
 * 20:27:20: Stygies VIII: I had The Lusty Dovahkiin, but I got rid of that username
 * 20:27:28: Nekyn Alb: Oh, that was you?
 * 20:27:33: Atvelonis: Weren't you something else before that
 * 20:27:35: DaBarkspawn: ohai
 * 20:27:37: Atvelonis: I don't remember anymore
 * 20:27:40: Pelinal Whitestrake: Bit off topic but the Skyblivion developers are streaming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsmMBlUqKwY
 * 20:27:41: KINMUNE: Skyblivion Play Testing/Update Stream (Liking The Stream Is Appreciated)
 * 20:27:42: Nekyn Alb: Rotzy o/
 * 20:27:57: Atvelonis: I think maybe it was lowercase and then you capitalized and now it's Stygies
 * 20:27:57: Rozty: yes that's me
 * 20:28:18: Atvelonis: anyway we should get started
 * 20:28:18: RhodiumOdi: Was there a moot or..?
 * 20:28:24: Nekyn Alb: There is now
 * 20:28:25: RhodiumOdi: Timing
 * 20:28:26: Stygies VIII: There will be lol
 * 20:28:26: Rozty: pls fill me in on what's happening
 * 20:28:30: Stygies VIII: a moot
 * 20:28:31: DaBarkspawn: Nothing yet
 * 20:28:37: Rozty: wait you haven't started yet
 * 20:28:38: DaBarkspawn: Just banter
 * 20:28:40: DaBarkspawn: right
 * 20:28:41: Rozty: oof
 * 20:28:43: Atvelonis: I forgot that there was a moot so we're starting late
 * 20:28:49: Atvelonis: We need more staff
 * 20:28:58: Atvelonis: Ok. Moot's starting now
 * 20:28:58: Nekyn Alb: Nono, Atvel, you were testing us
 * 20:29:01: Rozty: i'm so sleepy i don't think i can stay for long
 * 20:29:14: Rozty: well, i forgot too this time so eh
 * 20:29:15: DaBarkspawn: Would you settle for a Staff of Eight Pieces?
 * 20:29:18: Atvelonis: Otto was signed up first, but he's not here right now
 * 20:29:30: Rozty: how many topics do we have
 * 20:29:31: Atvelonis: The only other person signed up is DaBarkspawn afaik
 * 20:29:33: Nekyn Alb: 3
 * 20:29:36: Rozty: nice
 * 20:29:41: Atvelonis: So if you'd like to get started with your topic, go ahead
 * 20:29:44: Rozty: make it 5 minutes each pls
 * 20:29:47: Nekyn Alb: will only take six hours
 * 20:29:49: DaBarkspawn: Sure
 * 20:29:51: KINMUNE: Hello there, TinyClayMan!
 * 20:29:54: Atvelonis: You can take as long as you like
 * 20:29:55: Atvelonis: Hi
 * 20:30:02: Rozty: no tiny topics, no hour long decisions
 * 20:30:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: plz don't take 3 hours though
 * 20:30:11: Stygies VIII: 6 hour topics, 12 hour votings
 * 20:30:14: DaBarkspawn: First one: I think there should be some guidance on the stub page as to when to remove a stub
 * 20:30:23: Nekyn Alb: Did you hear, Tiny, you aren't allowed to bring any topics
 * 20:30:31: TinyClayMan: Ohayou
 * 20:30:31: Rozty: wait, isn't it otto first
 * 20:30:37: RhodiumOdi: Not here
 * 20:30:38: Aramithius: Yes, but he isn't here
 * 20:30:40: Rozty: *ah, no otto isn't here*
 * 20:30:40: DaBarkspawn: In particular, when editing Arena pages, there's just a point where there isn't going to be any more information available
 * 20:30:51: DaBarkspawn: But it is still less than full by modern game standards
 * 20:30:59: DaBarkspawn: 
 * 20:31:04: TinyClayMan: >you aren't allowed to bring any topics
 * 20:31:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: if it contains all the info there is, it's not a stub
 * 20:31:32: DaBarkspawn: Does anyone object to my adding that to the page?
 * 20:31:34: Stygies VIII: >if it contains all the info there is, it's not a stub
 * 20:31:43: Stygies VIII: I vote yis
 * 20:31:47: Stygies VIII: if I can
 * 20:31:48: Atvelonis: Well
 * 20:31:48: DaBarkspawn: (+)
 * 20:31:49: Aramithius: I think that almost needs to be in the hands of whoever's doing the editing. I they legitimately think that they have all the info there, then they can remove it. But exactly when thery reach that point is the tricky part
 * 20:31:51: Rozty: wait add what
 * 20:31:52: Atvelonis: waaaaaait
 * 20:31:54: Stygies VIII: well wait
 * 20:32:05: DaBarkspawn: /me waits
 * 20:32:06: Rozty: we were talking about stub templates right?
 * 20:32:08: Atvelonis: I think technically the moot leader is supposed to initiate voting :P
 * 20:32:12: DaBarkspawn: kk
 * 20:32:14: Atvelonis: We are in the discussion phase right now
 * 20:32:15: Atvelonis: So
 * 20:32:30: Atvelonis: I think it's not really clear, you're right
 * 20:32:34: TinyClayMan: How is it different from the way it was before?
 * 20:32:41: Rozty: we could use comments for that
 * 20:32:45: DaBarkspawn: right
 * 20:32:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i think i can agree that there needs to be clear guidelines on this
 * 20:32:54: RhodiumOdi: ^
 * 20:32:58: DaBarkspawn: I'm referring to https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Stub not the template
 * 20:33:10: Nekyn Alb: Isn't stub only for pages with really few infos?
 * 20:33:15: Atvelonis: I think we are tend to overuse stubs a bit
 * 20:33:18: Rozty: man i really need sleep
 * 20:33:19: Atvelonis: But only somewhat
 * 20:33:25: Nekyn Alb: So there could be stuff missing but it's not a stub?
 * 20:33:33: DaBarkspawn: The problem is that "really few" is relative to the game
 * 20:33:35: TinyClayMan: Ah
 * 20:33:41: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
 * 20:33:45: Rozty: so the "Identifying a stub" bit is not descriptive enough?
 * 20:33:54: Atvelonis: wait
 * 20:33:56: Atvelonis: one second
 * 20:33:57: RhodiumOdi: o/
 * 20:33:57: Nekyn Alb: Hey
 * 20:34:01: TinyClayMan: o/
 * 20:34:12: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog%3ABronkiin/De-Stubbing_ESO
 * 20:34:20: Atvelonis: @Dab: so something like this?
 * 20:34:25: Atvelonis: But in the project namespace
 * 20:34:30: Atvelonis: And covering more things
 * 20:34:41: Amulet of Kings: I hope that you read about the time change for the moot and arrived on time
 * 20:34:50: Nekyn Alb: o/
 * 20:34:53: Atvelonis: ayyy
 * 20:34:54: Nekyn Alb: lol
 * 20:34:57: DaBarkspawn: @Atv: yes, exactly
 * 20:35:00: Stygies VIII: imo the guidelines should not be too specific
 * 20:35:02: Rozty: i mean, if the problem is for when a stub should be removed, shouldn't the info be readily available on the page in question
 * 20:35:03: DaBarkspawn: I don
 * 20:35:08: KINMUNE: Hello there, Rodaspi!
 * 20:35:09: DaBarkspawn: 't see the ESO stuff
 * 20:35:26: DaBarkspawn: so, yes in the project space
 * 20:35:32: DaBarkspawn: *namespace
 * 20:35:33: Rozty: depending on the case, it would change
 * 20:35:42: Atvelonis: I agree with Stygies that we shouldn't overcomplicate it
 * 20:35:50: Rozty: no, not the project space, the page that is categorised as a stub
 * 20:36:02: Atvelonis: For many article types you can't really lay out specific guidelines
 * 20:36:12: Atvelonis: We have that blog for ESO because ESO characters are SUPER predictable
 * 20:36:37: Atvelonis: I guess we could add links to explanatory blogs like that. I think there are a few others floating around
 * 20:36:55: Rozty: there are?
 * 20:36:56: Atvelonis: And I could make a subsection elaborating on the general ideas behind stubhood (?) a bit more
 * 20:36:57: Atvelonis: idk
 * 20:36:58: DaBarkspawn: The case that worries me is what I said above: when there isn't enough information for a fully fleshed page and likely never will be
 * 20:37:05: Atvelonis: I think Carlo may have written some
 * 20:37:06: Stygies VIII: if there are not
 * 20:37:07: Stygies VIII: write one
 * 20:37:08: DaBarkspawn: Thank you, Atvelonis
 * 20:37:09: Stygies VIII: simple
 * 20:37:28: TinyClayMan: >SUPER predictable
 * 20:37:42: Rozty: if there is not enough info for a full page, then it's either supposed to be deleted or is not actually a stub
 * 20:38:03: Atvelonis: I think we should be careful not to give editors some leeway in determining what counts as a stub
 * 20:38:14: DaBarkspawn: Right
 * 20:38:15: Atvelonis: i.e. a set of bullet points saying "these things make a stub" would be a little too stringent
 * 20:38:29: Atvelonis: But a set of ideas about what a "complete" article embodies would be more fitting
 * 20:38:29: Aramithius: Do we need a little nod on the tag itself, then?
 * 20:38:39: DaBarkspawn: I'm just trying to avoid conflicts between editors over what constitutes a stub
 * 20:38:44: DaBarkspawn: works for me
 * 20:38:45: Atvelonis: hmm
 * 20:38:48: Aramithius: Becuse people aren't likely to refer back to the template all the time
 * 20:39:00: Atvelonis: Well in terms of editor "conflicts" I would say that those are actually important
 * 20:39:00: Rozty: that's true
 * 20:39:07: Stygies VIII: true
 * 20:39:08: TinyClayMan: Isn't it like
 * 20:39:08: Atvelonis: Consensus-building is how decisions are made here
 * 20:39:24: Atvelonis: @TinyClayMan: other way around
 * 20:39:27: Atvelonis: Incomplete is like
 * 20:39:28: Atvelonis: super-stub
 * 20:39:29: TinyClayMan: What
 * 20:39:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i thought the moot and voting are how decisions are made
 * 20:39:48: Atvelonis: We build a consensus and then vote on it
 * 20:39:49: Rozty: for cases of whether something is a stub wouldn't it be pretty easy to come to a decision anyway?
 * 20:39:52: Atvelonis: (that's what this discussion is)
 * 20:39:52: DaBarkspawn: Moot voting is a kind of consensus
 * 20:39:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
 * 20:39:58: Atvelonis: @TCM: may be misreading your comment
 * 20:39:59: TinyClayMan: *6100 edits and now I know the difference between a Stub and an Incomplete article*
 * 20:40:06: DaBarkspawn: lol
 * 20:40:33: Atvelonis: I think you can't really apply percentages to it
 * 20:40:44: Atvelonis: But a stub is an overarching template for an article which is missing a decent amount of info
 * 20:40:57: Atvelonis: A page which is missing a very small bit of info is not necessarily a stub
 * 20:41:03: Atvelonis: like one quote or something
 * 20:41:14: Atvelonis: We can use for that
 * 20:41:27: DaBarkspawn: I can accept that as a guideline.
 * 20:41:28: Atvelonis: We use when we find a stub article that is pretty much uselesss
 * 20:41:37: Atvelonis: Like, just an infobox, lead, and blank section headers
 * 20:41:42: Atvelonis: i.e. many ESO quest pages, haha
 * 20:41:44: Atvelonis: My fault :P
 * 20:41:52: Atvelonis: e.g. rather
 * 20:41:56: Atvelonis: But yes that's the idea
 * 20:42:01: TinyClayMan: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Beddi_Alielle has no dialogue/conversations/dialogue but has everything else. Is it a stub or an incomplete article?
 * 20:42:07: TinyClayMan: Ah
 * 20:42:12: DaBarkspawn: /me looks up, looks at his watch, whistles and walks off nonchalantly
 * 20:42:14: Atvelonis: Stub
 * 20:42:16: Rozty: tbh stating the reason for why a page is a stub might be helpful for others
 * 20:42:23: Atvelonis: She would only be incomplete if she had like
 * 20:42:25: Atvelonis: Almost nothing
 * 20:42:54: DaBarkspawn: Agree, Rozty
 * 20:43:48: Atvelonis: So I guess I should add something about how to use vs.  vs.  on that page too
 * 20:43:57: DaBarkspawn: Agree
 * 20:44:16: Rozty: i guess, i had the right idea so i thought it was from those pages but i guess not
 * 20:44:36: Atvelonis: You can get a sense for how it's used by making thousands of edits
 * 20:44:40: Atvelonis: Without reading policy
 * 20:44:47: Atvelonis: But having it codified somewhere would really help
 * 20:44:54: DaBarkspawn: (+)
 * 20:45:00: Aramithius: No voting yet
 * 20:45:15: DaBarkspawn: I'm just +1'ing what Atv said
 * 20:45:20: Aramithius: Ah, right
 * 20:45:40: Nekyn Alb: (=)
 * 20:45:46: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 20:46:00: Rozty: so we voting?
 * 20:46:05: Atvelonis: Are we all on the same page here? Any other questions?
 * 20:46:32: Aramithius: What's the formal proposal, then? To add something to the template to encourage users to consider how much info there actually is on a topic before adding/removing the stub template?
 * 20:46:42: Rozty: i guess not? we haven't drifted from the first topic right?
 * 20:47:02: DaBarkspawn: I think the proposal is Atv's comment at 1:43
 * 20:47:13: Rozty: wouldn't that make it the same as the template though
 * 20:47:30: Atvelonis: Attention is used when there is something wrong with the article that needs to be explained
 * 20:47:33: Nekyn Alb: *22:43
 * 20:47:48: DaBarkspawn: sure
 * 20:47:49: Rozty: *23:43
 * 20:47:56: Atvelonis: I'll reiterate
 * 20:47:58: Nekyn Alb: *10:43
 * 20:47:59: Atvelonis: the proposal
 * 20:48:01: Atvelonis: one second
 * 20:48:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: *15:43 somewhere in the world
 * 20:48:17: Nekyn Alb: (x)
 * 20:48:24: Rozty: (x)
 * 20:48:24: DaBarkspawn: XD
 * 20:48:49: Rozty: that timezone isn't real
 * 20:48:56: KINMUNE: Hello there, Blademaster Jauffre!
 * 20:49:01: Atvelonis: o/
 * 20:49:05: Blademaster Jauffre: Hello
 * 20:49:10: DaBarkspawn: hi
 * 20:49:18: Nekyn Alb: Timezones aren't real get woke sheeple
 * 20:49:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's a whole number of hours away from the other timezones. all those timezones are real.
 * 20:49:21: Nekyn Alb: Hi
 * 20:49:32: Rozty: so while atvel reiterates, what was otto's proposal about
 * 20:50:03: DaBarkspawn: Walkthroughs for locations outside of quest walkthroughs
 * 20:50:30: Rozty: ah right, remember there was some confusion about that a while before
 * 20:50:34: DaBarkspawn: Change Style and Formatting to allow for locations to have a special walkthrough on them that does not focus on the quest, but on items, enemies, and other important factors
 * 20:50:59: Blademaster Jauffre: Heard about that, iffy on it
 * 20:51:04: DreamSoulshine: For what game?
 * 20:51:09: Rozty: eso mostly
 * 20:51:11: DaBarkspawn: Was there a specific motivating example?
 * 20:51:13: TinyClayMan: For ESO it would be only about Bosss
 * 20:51:16: Rozty: because of trials and stuff
 * 20:51:23: TinyClayMan: Ah, trials
 * 20:51:28: Atvelonis: The finalized proposal is:
 * 20:51:32: DaBarkspawn: /me has no opinion on ESO stuff
 * 20:51:32: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 20:51:33: Atvelonis: Vote
 * 20:51:34: DreamSoulshine: I know that all Skyrim game locations have "notable items".
 * 20:51:41: Atvelonis: (+) to vote
 * 20:51:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (+)
 * 20:51:49: Aramithius: (+)
 * 20:51:50: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 20:51:52: DaBarkspawn: (+)
 * 20:51:53: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:51:54: Amulet of Kings: (=)
 * 20:51:57: RhodiumOdi: (=)
 * 20:52:03: Atvelonis: 5-2-0
 * 20:52:09: Rozty: (+)
 * 20:52:12: DreamSoulshine: (+_
 * 20:52:16: DreamSoulshine: fk
 * 20:52:18: Atvelonis: 6-2-0
 * 20:52:22: TinyClayMan: On notable items:
 * 20:52:23: DreamSoulshine: (+)
 * 20:52:26: Atvelonis: 7-2-0
 * 20:52:31: Atvelonis: hold off one second
 * 20:52:35: Atvelonis: We can do Otto's topic if he shows up
 * 20:52:36: DreamSoulshine: yeah, that's right
 * 20:52:37: Nekyn Alb: (oWo)
 * 20:52:46: TinyClayMan: (OvO)
 * 20:52:48: TinyClayMan: owl
 * 20:52:49: Blademaster Jauffre: (+)
 * 20:53:10: Rozty: (if otto doesn't show up can we still discuss it because i think we really need to)
 * 20:53:16: Nekyn Alb: (vEvO)
 * 20:53:19: Atvelonis: 8-2-0
 * 20:53:28: Atvelonis: It's not really a good idea to present for someone else
 * 20:53:33: Atvelonis: Especially without their approval
 * 20:53:38: DaBarkspawn: +1
 * 20:53:53: Atvelonis: We've done it before and people usually end up getting confused because they might not know all the subtleties of what the OP intended
 * 20:54:02: Rozty: guess not, haven't done any trials so might get messy, but we were also discussing about it on discord
 * 20:54:07: TinyClayMan: Can we ping him somewhere?
 * 20:54:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: but if it's a matter that needs to be addressed, it's better to discuss it immediately
 * 20:54:17: Rozty: *discord*
 * 20:54:20: Atvelonis: I pinged staff on Slack and verified members on Discord
 * 20:54:22: Rozty: and slack
 * 20:54:24: Atvelonis: If he's available he'll show up
 * 20:54:29: Nekyn Alb: Lemme quickly replace Otto's name
 * 20:54:34: Atvelonis: I think it is not super pertinent
 * 20:54:42: TinyClayMan: > if it's a matter that needs to be addressed
 * 20:54:52: DaBarkspawn: Also, I don't see the urgency of that item that it can't wait a month
 * 20:54:57: TinyClayMan: Can wait for a proper presentation
 * 20:55:16: Atvelonis: Any other votes?
 * 20:55:36: Rozty: *but until then i have to see people adding walktrhough sections in locations and not know what to do*
 * 20:55:37: Atvelonis: Pelinal, Stygies?
 * 20:55:38: Atvelonis: KINMUNE?
 * 20:55:44: Atvelonis: KINMUNE, did you vote?
 * 20:55:44: KINMUNE: No.
 * 20:55:49: Atvelonis: at least she's honest
 * 20:55:52: DaBarkspawn: lol
 * 20:56:04: Rozty: smh KINMUNE, why are you even here?
 * 20:56:05: Amulet of Kings: Didn't know it was a she
 * 20:56:22: DaBarkspawn: I thought Kimmune identified as an Attack Helicopter
 * 20:56:24: Atvelonis: Why, KINMUNE is our very own Queen Ayrenn
 * 20:56:25: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: KINMUNE, don't come to the moot if you don't intend to participate?
 * 20:56:27: KINMUNE: Ask SuperSajuuk, he probably knows.
 * 20:56:36: Rozty: KINMUNE only answers if her name is first in a sentence, good to know
 * 20:56:52: Nekyn Alb: and with a comma afterwards and a question mark at the end
 * 20:56:55: DaBarkspawn: first word + comma
 * 20:57:02: Nekyn Alb: or /me hugs KINMUNE
 * 20:57:08: DaBarkspawn: awww
 * 20:57:10: Rozty: yeah but her name also needs to be *first*
 * 20:57:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: /me punches KINMUNE
 * 20:57:14: KINMUNE: Yol Toor Shul!
 * 20:57:18: Nekyn Alb: and that
 * 20:57:22: Rozty: translate
 * 20:57:29: Rozty: don't speak lizard
 * 20:57:30: Nekyn Alb: Fire Breath
 * 20:57:34: DaBarkspawn: right
 * 20:57:39: Aramithius: So... is that it? No more moot topics?
 * 20:57:45: DaBarkspawn: I have a second one
 * 20:57:46: Rozty: wasn't there one more
 * 20:57:47: Nekyn Alb: Dab Guy had one more
 * 20:57:48: Rozty: oh
 * 20:57:53: Atvelonis: Go ahead
 * 20:57:59: Atvelonis: Previous one passes 8-2-0
 * 20:58:11: DaBarkspawn: If you go to https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heldorn_Mount_watchtowers.png you will see the licensing appear twice.
 * 20:58:26: DreamSoulshine: really
 * 20:58:39: Rozty: ok removed it
 * 20:58:39: DaBarkspawn: This is because it uses in info and the drop down does it too
 * 20:58:39: Blademaster Jauffre: That means it's double as legit
 * 20:58:42: DaBarkspawn: ha
 * 20:59:02: DreamSoulshine: It really could have been fixed without needing to bring it to the moot.
 * 20:59:04: DaBarkspawn: I'm suggesting we remove licensing from the template because it is redundant to the drop down
 * 20:59:04: Atvelonis: fixed
 * 20:59:11: DaBarkspawn: cool
 * 20:59:13: DaBarkspawn: I'm done
 * 20:59:17: Atvelonis: oh I didn't mean that
 * 20:59:20: Atvelonis: I fixed how it's supposed to appear
 * 20:59:22: Rozty: *ah wait forgot the nice licensee sentence*
 * 20:59:25: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/?diff=2749541
 * 20:59:30: Rozty: licesning
 * 20:59:49: Atvelonis: The system is a little bit confusing but everything is packaged together intentionally
 * 21:00:01: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AImage_Licensing_Templates
 * 21:00:01: Stygies VIII: omg
 * 21:00:07: Stygies VIII: I forgot there was the moot literally
 * 21:00:13: Stygies VIII: I'm back ;_;
 * 21:00:14: Rozty: *can i also change the w to a capital letter because it is bothering me
 * 21:00:20: Rozty: welcome bakv
 * 21:00:22: Rozty: back
 * 21:00:30: Rozty: i give up on typoing properly
 * 21:00:32: Stygies VIII: what is going on now
 * 21:00:37: Rozty: idk
 * 21:00:40: Stygies VIII: ok
 * 21:00:46: Atvelonis: So the idea is that by using a short template or something then you can save space with the licensing
 * 21:00:51: Atvelonis: Space isn't really the important part though
 * 21:00:54: Rozty: we had one topic that passed, abit clarifying stub use
 * 21:00:54: DaBarkspawn: Rotzy: sure later
 * 21:01:03: Atvelonis: It's mostly that if we need to make a change to the licensing, it's waaaaay easier to do it if everything is bundled together
 * 21:01:03: Stygies VIII: good
 * 21:01:07: Atvelonis: For example
 * 21:01:25: DaBarkspawn: I think, then, the advice on the upload page is bad:
 * 21:01:26: DaBarkspawn: "Licensing" is an absolutely non-optional field which must be used to indicate the license, and "GFDL" or "public domain" licenses must not be used for anything copyrighted by Bethesda or an affiliate. Generally, you will want to use or  if it is your own screenshot. This information is very important.
 * 21:01:27: Atvelonis: If we wanted to change Online: Character Images to Online: NPC Images (just an example), we would have to make 1 edit to the template
 * 21:01:38: Atvelonis: Compared to 8000 edits to all the files individually
 * 21:01:45: Atvelonis: Which is possible, and easier through the bot
 * 21:01:48: Atvelonis: But still a pain in the ass
 * 21:01:51: DaBarkspawn: If you put in the license, you get two
 * 21:01:56: Atvelonis: Oh yeah that's wrong
 * 21:02:12: Atvelonis: I have a link to my licensing page somewhere on Special:Upload
 * 21:02:14: Atvelonis: At the bottom
 * 21:02:22: DaBarkspawn: That's how I noticed the problem
 * 21:02:30: DaBarkspawn: how it gets fixed I am agnostic to
 * 21:02:31: Atvelonis: https://i.gyazo.com/b13dc4412fc91c57606f811b3d4cf50d.png
 * 21:02:44: Atvelonis: User:Atvelonis/Licensing
 * 21:02:49: Atvelonis: This page has the pre-filled templates
 * 21:02:56: Atvelonis: So you would just copy+paste that into the summary box and nothing more
 * 21:03:03: Atvelonis: Ignore the licensing dropdown
 * 21:03:10: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: can "agnostic" be used in this way?
 * 21:03:16: DaBarkspawn: Yes
 * 21:03:27: Atvelonis: We can't remove the dropdown as far as I'm aware, that's built into the page
 * 21:03:37: Atvelonis: And there are some uses for it in unconventional uploads
 * 21:03:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: doesn't the term only refer to not knowing whether god exists?
 * 21:03:47: Atvelonis: off-topic
 * 21:03:48: Atvelonis: shush
 * 21:03:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sorry
 * 21:04:10: Atvelonis: But for 95% of uploads what we can do is use the pre-filled versions of with an image licensing template
 * 21:04:17: Atvelonis: And then it has everything and is super easy to manipulate down the road
 * 21:04:41: Atvelonis: I will get around to changing the text on that page though
 * 21:04:46: Atvelonis: Thanks for bringing it up
 * 21:04:49: DaBarkspawn: That's fine, I'll just ignore the drop down
 * 21:04:50: DaBarkspawn: yw!
 * 21:05:09: Rozty: wait, so what was the topic
 * 21:05:21: Atvelonis: To make that whole thing less contradictoryu
 * 21:05:21: DreamSoulshine: I think it was resolved
 * 21:05:25: Atvelonis: *contradictory
 * 21:05:26: Atvelonis: Hi Dwemer
 * 21:05:28: DaBarkspawn: right
 * 21:05:36: Dwemer35: Hello
 * 21:05:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
 * 21:05:42: Amulet of Kings: o/
 * 21:05:54: TinyClayMan: o7
 * 21:06:18: Rozty: what kind of keyboard has the 7 and / next to each other
 * 21:06:22: Amulet of Kings: Mine
 * 21:06:30: Rozty: (thinking)
 * 21:06:37: Nekyn Alb: 7 and / are on the same key for me
 * 21:06:43: Atvelonis: wack
 * 21:06:44: Dwemer35: Me too
 * 21:06:48: TinyClayMan: What if I want to use the text emoji?
 * 21:06:49: Atvelonis: Are there other topics?
 * 21:06:49: Rozty: (thinking) (thinking)
 * 21:07:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: / is all the way next to . for me
 * 21:07:14: Rozty: they be joking
 * 21:07:16: TinyClayMan: / is on the same button with . for me
 * 21:07:23: Stygies VIII: / is with ? for me
 * 21:07:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: . goes with > for me
 * 21:07:31: Stygies VIII: what the hell are your keyboards
 * 21:07:35: Nekyn Alb: . is right of, which is right of M
 * 21:07:35: TinyClayMan: ? / ., a single button
 * 21:07:36: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: / is on ? for me too
 * 21:07:40: Rozty: unless germans like their keyboards all weird and shit
 * 21:07:45: Amulet of Kings: I have a key exclusively for ç, which I never use
 * 21:08:00: Rozty: isn't that a french thing
 * 21:08:04: Nekyn Alb: We use qwertz because we're zool
 * 21:08:13: Stygies VIII: ąężźóśłć
 * 21:08:18: Atvelonis: So I take it there is nothing else to discuss?
 * 21:08:20: Atvelonis: Moot-wise
 * 21:08:22: Stygies VIII: no
 * 21:08:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: spanish uses ç?
 * 21:08:23: Amulet of Kings: And I have the super useful ¡¿ too
 * 21:08:23: Atvelonis: If Otto isn't going to be here
 * 21:08:27: Rozty: i guess not?
 * 21:08:33: Nekyn Alb: We discuss keyboards now
 * 21:08:35: Stygies VIII: ^
 * 21:08:37: Nekyn Alb: BOOT
 * 21:08:38: Atvelonis: Ok
 * 21:08:40: Atvelonis: I have something quick
 * 21:08:45: Rozty: ah
 * 21:08:53: TinyClayMan: Ah, make it 2-hour long
 * 21:08:53: DaBarkspawn: My keyboard: http://old.lescasse.com/images/AplKeyboard.png
 * 21:08:56: Amulet of Kings: @Ashley, it hasn't but Spanish keyboards have that key for an unknown reason
 * 21:08:57: Rozty: that feels like a stab in the back
 * 21:09:22: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1024325
 * 21:09:35: Stygies VIII: why do you have the Insignia of Death symbol on the keyboard, Bark
 * 21:09:37: Atvelonis: If you have any thoughts on this, say them
 * 21:09:38: Stygies VIII: ok Atv, reading
 * 21:09:43: Atvelonis: I think you already commented
 * 21:09:45: DaBarkspawn: It's for APL
 * 21:09:54: Stygies VIII: ah, it's this one
 * 21:09:55: Atvelonis: I'm going to initiate the voting on the thread this evening
 * 21:09:55: Stygies VIII: I did
 * 21:10:08: Rozty: nice, i'm saved by the fact that i participated
 * 21:10:16: TinyClayMan: I've read it but what was the suggestion about it?
 * 21:10:16: Atvelonis: So if anyone has other thoughts on the topic, please say so, otherwise it will move forward into the voting phase
 * 21:10:25: Atvelonis: (comment on the thread, don't say them here)
 * 21:10:29: Stygies VIII: @rozty we still have to vote
 * 21:10:33: Stygies VIII: kek
 * 21:10:40: TinyClayMan: (almost forgot what was it about)
 * 21:10:41: Rozty: but i don't have to read all that wall
 * 21:10:45: Stygies VIII: nice
 * 21:10:57: Nekyn Alb: Let me read it to you
 * 21:11:03: Nekyn Alb: With German accent
 * 21:11:13: Nekyn Alb: Which I'm fairly sure I can't actually do
 * 21:11:26: Stygies VIII: Are you German?
 * 21:11:26: Rozty: the Circle was about voting on good and comprehensible articles but now it
 * 21:11:30: Nekyn Alb: I am
 * 21:11:33: Stygies VIII: nice
 * 21:11:35: Rozty: it's ded and we need it gone
 * 21:11:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: how can you not do a german accent? i'm quite good at doing a dutch accent
 * 21:11:42: Stygies VIII: we live next to eachother
 * 21:11:43: Stygies VIII: almost
 * 21:11:49: TinyClayMan: A replacement would be a public vote?
 * 21:11:56: Rozty: you all are way too high up for me
 * 21:11:57: Nekyn Alb: I live next to every wikian :^)
 * 21:11:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: so good in fact that i hate it when people hear my horrible accent
 * 21:12:00: Rozty: and yes
 * 21:12:09: Stygies VIII: I live next to Polish FANDOM headquarters ehehe
 * 21:12:13: Nekyn Alb: I just talk too gud
 * 21:12:18: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 21:12:20: Atvelonis: I declare this moot over
 * 21:12:24: DaBarkspawn: Stygies, have I got a job for you :P
 * 21:12:27: Atvelonis: disperse or remain
 * 21:12:33: Stygies VIII: what job
 * 21:12:34: Nekyn Alb: lol
 * 21:12:53: Aramithius: OK, in that case I should probably do the dishes and then sleep. Good night everyone!
 * 21:12:57: TinyClayMan: What he says next would be:
 * 21:13:01: Nekyn Alb: Cya o/
 * 21:13:02: TinyClayMan: Good night
 * 21:13:07: Stygies VIII: like if I don't already
 * 21:13:07: DaBarkspawn: Good night, all
 * 21:13:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: gn
 * 21:13:35: Rozty: gn
 * 21:13:36: DreamSoulshine: I'll return to my realm as well, bye
 * 21:13:37: Stygies VIII: like 99% of my edits are Polish and the only English communities I'm really participating in are TESW and Discussions Wiki
 * 21:13:39: Nekyn Alb: o/
 * 21:13:41: Stygies VIII: bye
 * 21:13:44: Atvelonis: I always forget how many Europeans we have
 * 21:13:54: Stygies VIII: don't you dare forget me
 * 21:13:57: Stygies VIII: okay, see you on discord
 * 21:14:00: Atvelonis: Literally everyone here is in EU except for me and dab guy haha
 * 21:14:08: Atvelonis: sorry I shouldn't call you that
 * 21:14:10: DaBarkspawn: Yeah, I'm in CA
 * 21:14:10: Nekyn Alb: There are dozens of us ... Dozens!
 * 21:14:16: DaBarkspawn: You are where, Atv?
 * 21:14:20: Rozty: now we have the power
 * 21:14:21: Atvelonis: NY
 * 21:14:22: Atvelonis: no
 * 21:14:22: Nekyn Alb: He's officially Dab Guy
 * 21:14:24: Atvelonis: Pennsylvania
 * 21:14:27: Stygies VIII: what
 * 21:14:29: Rozty: DaB guy
 * 21:14:30: DaBarkspawn: I've been called worse
 * 21:14:31: Atvelonis: I moved recently
 * 21:14:33: Stygies VIII: I thought Atv was EU
 * 21:14:37: Stygies VIII: for a long time
 * 21:14:40: Rozty: lol
 * 21:14:41: Atvelonis: Haha really?
 * 21:14:43: Nekyn Alb: Dab on the h8ters, Dab Guy
 * 21:14:45: Stygies VIII: but then I found out he was online at weird times
 * 21:14:46: Atvelonis: I mean, I was in Scotland this summer
 * 21:14:47: Stygies VIII: so
 * 21:14:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: but you live in a gated community in wisconsin
 * 21:14:56: Stygies VIII: lol why do Americans always visit Scotland
 * 21:15:03: Nekyn Alb: Scotland is nice
 * 21:15:07: Stygies VIII: my American friend went to Scotland yesterday
 * 21:15:08: Atvelonis: I'm part Scottish
 * 21:15:09: DaBarkspawn: My wife's family is from there
 * 21:15:15: Stygies VIII: for holiday
 * 21:15:15: Atvelonis: Americans go to the UK because they speak English
 * 21:15:19: Stygies VIII: xDDDD
 * 21:15:22: Stygies VIII: omg
 * 21:15:24: Stygies VIII: chat emotes
 * 21:15:24: Nekyn Alb: Sure, like all Americans are part German (kappa)
 * 21:15:25: Atvelonis: we're bad at languages
 * 21:15:29: Stygies VIII: I'm leaving this chat
 * 21:15:30: Stygies VIII: because emotes
 * 21:15:37: Atvelonis: @Ashley: oh yes of course
 * 21:15:38: DaBarkspawn: No, we speak 'Merikan. They speak English.
 * 21:15:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm part a lot of things, but i don't care
 * 21:16:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i consider myself 100% dutch
 * 21:16:08: Atvelonis: You can literally drive for 3000 miles in this country without encountering anyone who speaks a language other than English
 * 21:16:11: Nekyn Alb: "English (Simplified)"
 * 21:16:17: DaBarkspawn: lol
 * 21:16:18: Atvelonis: In Europe there's like a hundred languages per square food
 * 21:16:19: Atvelonis: foot
 * 21:16:28: Nekyn Alb: We don't even use foot here
 * 21:16:29: Rozty: is anyone in central europe that isn't part anything else honestly
 * 21:16:37: Amulet of Kings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0msQb5SiPSI
 * 21:16:38: KINMUNE: Patriotic Teen Fails Spanish
 * 21:16:43: DaBarkspawn: "In America, 200 years is a long ways. In Britain, 200 miles is a long ways."
 * 21:16:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: there's no square feet here. you won't encounter any languages in a square foot.
 * 21:17:02: Atvelonis: oh I'm sorry square centimeter
 * 21:17:13: Stygies VIII: centimeter is less than a foot
 * 21:17:18: Stygies VIII: pleb
 * 21:17:19: DaBarkspawn: /me is a fan of furlongs per fortnight
 * 21:17:25: Rozty: never knew the onion had a youtube channel
 * 21:17:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: everything has a youtube channel
 * 21:18:06: Rozty: what a time to live in
 * 21:19:33: Rozty: welp, i'm about to fall asleep any second now. i wish i was me from a month ago that stayed up until 4 in the morning
 * 21:19:39: Rozty: cya guys
 * 21:19:40: Atvelonis: I will finish those legends cards soon
 * 21:19:41: Stygies VIII: bai
 * 21:19:43: Atvelonis: Tonight hopefully
 * 21:19:46: Atvelonis: god I have so much stuff to do
 * 21:19:48: Nekyn Alb: goodnight o/
 * 21:19:51: Atvelonis: o/
 * 21:20:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: gn
 * 21:20:10: Atvelonis: Hello, KINMUNE. Do you read me, KINMUNE?
 * 21:20:11: KINMUNE: Affirmative, Atvelonis. I read you.
 * 21:20:17: Atvelonis: Open the pod bay doors, KINMUNE.
 * 21:20:19: KINMUNE: I'm sorry, Atvelonis. I'm afraid I can't do that.
 * 21:20:20: Atvelonis: What's the problem?
 * 21:20:21: KINMUNE: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
 * 21:20:23: Atvelonis: What are you talking about, KINMUNE?
 * 21:20:24: KINMUNE: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
 * 21:20:27: Atvelonis: good she's working
 * 21:20:35: Atvelonis: love you KINMUNE (heart)
 * 21:20:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: /me hugs KINMUNE
 * 21:20:43: KINMUNE: (heart)
 * 21:21:00: TinyClayMan: Ah
 * 21:21:01: Amulet of Kings: Now I'm jealous
 * 21:21:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true love
 * 21:21:07: TinyClayMan: Should watch this film
 * 21:21:20: Amulet of Kings: I need a fast update on the /d
 * 21:21:44: Nekyn Alb: It exists
 * 21:21:47: Nekyn Alb: still
 * 21:21:50: Atvelonis: Links
 * 21:21:52: Atvelonis: finally
 * 21:21:54: Atvelonis: But they don't really work
 * 21:21:58: Atvelonis: Classic Wikia
 * 21:22:31: Amulet of Kings: Congrats @Dwemer35!
 * 21:22:42: Dwemer35: Thanks
 * 21:22:54: Atvelonis: Oh yeah
 * 21:22:56: Atvelonis: One other thing
 * 21:23:06: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki_talk:News_Team#Applications
 * 21:23:10: Atvelonis: News team application from Poisoned apples
 * 21:23:20: Atvelonis: This means the updates should be on time from now on
 * 21:23:28: Atvelonis: Unless she's busy and I have to write them in which case they will still be late
 * 21:23:31: Atvelonis: But they'll mostly be on time!
 * 21:24:58: Nekyn Alb: Why don't they work?
 * 21:25:22: Nekyn Alb: I used them one time and even external links worked
 * 21:26:16: Amulet of Kings: Good bye, I need to hibernate for at least two years, but I'll probably wake up to breath fresh air from time to time
 * 21:26:29: Atvelonis: They don't work on mobile
 * 21:26:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: bye
 * 21:26:37: Atvelonis: They parenthesize them instead of actually linking them
 * 21:26:42: Atvelonis: So it's not really implemented yet
 * 21:26:47: Atvelonis: And I won't use them until they're fully implemented
 * 21:26:51: Atvelonis: Also they're super buggy with highlighting
 * 21:26:53: Dwemer35: Goodbye
 * 21:27:03: Atvelonis: try selecting with the arrow keys and shift
 * 21:27:04: Atvelonis: backwards
 * 21:27:07: Atvelonis: doesn't work
 * 21:27:15: Atvelonis: multi-paragraph keyboard selections are broken too
 * 21:27:16: Atvelonis: etc.
 * 21:27:19: Atvelonis: Many bugs
 * 21:27:21: Atvelonis: gtg
 * 21:27:30: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: bye
 * 21:28:17: Atvelonis: https://pastebin.com/tqW6Qiim
 * 21:28:19: Atvelonis: in case KINMUNE dies
 * 21:28:43: Nekyn Alb: KINMUNE, u ded yet?
 * 21:28:43: KINMUNE: Ask SuperSajuuk, he probably knows.
 * 21:29:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: KINMUNE, does SuperSajuuk know everything?
 * 21:29:40: KINMUNE: Ask SuperSajuuk, he probably knows.
 * 21:29:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i was hoping for that answer
 * 21:30:01: Nekyn Alb: lol
 * 21:30:37: Nekyn Alb: KINMUNE, did you vote for Trump?
 * 21:30:39: KINMUNE: Ask SuperSajuuk, he probably knows.
 * 21:30:42: Nekyn Alb: What
 * 21:30:49: Nekyn Alb: Ashley, what did you do
 * 21:30:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ke, what did i do?
 * 21:31:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: KINMUNE, what did i do?
 * 21:31:07: KINMUNE: Yes.
 * 21:31:26: Nekyn Alb: You did the Crus-thing, didn't you
 * 21:31:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no
 * 21:31:38: Nekyn Alb: KINMUNE, did she do it to us?
 * 21:31:40: KINMUNE: No.
 * 21:31:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm no IT magician
 * 21:31:45: Nekyn Alb: oh well okay
 * 21:32:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i can barely get my laptop to work most days
 * 21:35:23: Nekyn Alb: Seeing how you're here almost every day, (x)
 * 21:35:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: by using my semi-functional laptop
 * 21:38:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sometimes i have to restart it a few times before it'll access the internet, but i always get here eventually
 * 21:50:01: Nekyn Alb: Just like my car
 * 21:50:05: Nekyn Alb: I don't have a car
 * 21:50:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: wut?
 * 21:51:19: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: how can a german not have a car? you people are supposed to use your big smelly cars to invade our beaches and dig holes there
 * 21:53:09: Nekyn Alb: lol
 * 21:53:18: Nekyn Alb: Never heard of that stereotype
 * 21:53:30: Nekyn Alb: I don't even have a license
 * 21:53:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you never heard of germans digging holes in dutch beaches?
 * 21:53:44: Nekyn Alb: Nope
 * 21:53:57: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's not even a stereotype, they do it all the time
 * 21:54:10: Nekyn Alb: Parts of my family lived close to Dutchland and speak that pseudogerman tho
 * 21:54:24: Nekyn Alb: I only know that we conquer everything with our towels
 * 21:55:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i've never heard of that one
 * 21:56:01: Nekyn Alb: What??
 * 21:56:53: Nekyn Alb: Germans always get up early to go to the beach or wherever and reserve deck chairs with towels
 * 21:57:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: waking up early on a day off to claim a place at the beach? that's crazy
 * 21:58:41: Nekyn Alb: That's half of everything everyone knows about Germans
 * 21:58:46: Nekyn Alb: Horrible tourists
 * 21:59:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i can confirm that they're horrible tourists
 * 21:59:24: Nekyn Alb: We're polite and don't litter and crap, but /the towels/
 * 21:59:35: Nekyn Alb: ^stereotype
 * 21:59:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: filling our beautiful beaches with their holes
 * 21:59:40: Nekyn Alb: Dunno if we're polite
 * 21:59:46: Nekyn Alb: They are actually trenches
 * 21:59:54: Nekyn Alb: Hey, I think now I remember
 * 22:00:04: Nekyn Alb: Trench jokes and Netherlands makes some connection for me
 * 22:00:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ?
 * 22:00:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: there never was trench warfare here
 * 22:00:52: Nekyn Alb: Yeah, but we're building them for the next time
 * 22:01:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah yes
 * 22:01:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: in case those nasty french and britons attack you bc an austrian crown prince was murdered
 * 22:07:50: Nekyn Alb: Goddamn Austrians
 * 22:11:20: KINMUNE: Hello there, Kora Stormblade!