User blog:4. 1. 22. 5. M97/Blog Critic: Why the Imperials are wrong,The Zipper Saga.

Well, here we go again. More Zippertrain85/ If any of you have read the last two reviews of his work, the much divided "Why the Stormcloaks are right" blogs, you would know that I have had some misgivings about his contributions to the arguments for one of the biggest flame wars in Tamrielic History, that being between the Stormcloak fanboys, and the Imperial fanboys. While the first one was decet in ways, the second one was like the Iron Man 2 of the scene, not really drawing much attention and not as popular, only drawing in a third of the audience the dirst had, even if it still did spark some anger. Don't know why we can't just all hate the Thalmor, but it never seems to cross anyones mind. But, I am not here to judge....well, not here to judge the fanboys and the flame war, but I am here to judge the quality of Zipper's basic successor, "Why the Imperials are wrong." I'll give him credit, the title must have drawn in a whole bunch of readers, and it did. Written back in July, this blog proved to be both infamous and popular among both Stormcloak enthusiasts or Imperial fanboys, for good reason to. Just look at the title, it's bound to attract some attention. Like Zipper's first blog on "Why the Stormcloaks were right", "Why the Imperials are wrong" brought in more than 345 comments, I daresay more than an epsode of Wabbajack Grinding will ever pull in, (Sorry Madman97), an impressive number on the wiki plane, even going beyond the Stormcloak blog, making it a successful successor.

But did it do its job? That's what we are here to find out. Sit back and enjoy the show. Oh, and peaking of Madman97, we have a very special guest here today, the Madman of the Ninety Seventh degree himself, Madman97! Give him a round of applause folks!

Madman97: I'm kind of mad at you for saying my show won't attract more than three hundred people.

4. 1. 22. 5. M97: Well, its true. Popular as it is, it hasn't been to this level.

Madman97: Ohmygod, are you typing your full username?! Just put Dave, we already know who are!

Dave: Fine. Let's get started.

""The Empire needed to sign the White-Gold Concordat or else it would've been destroyed". 

'''This is false for reasons I explained on Why the Stormcloaks Are Right Part 1, but I'll explain them again. The Dominion made the largest army in Elven history attack the Imperial City, to which the Empire destroy all of them. This had to have taken a toll on their armies. And since Elves reproduce slower, they probably have barely recovered. So really the concordat was worthless. You might be asking yourself, "If they could've won why did he sign it at all?". In big wars like the Great War, people get very tired of fighting. This probably happened to the Emperor and the Elder Council. The Dominion, despite losing, didn't seem the giving up type, so the Emperor must've thought they could just make peace together, but that decision lead to the oppression of the people. Not the salvation of the Empire. '''

"The Empire is going to fight the Dominion after the civil war ends" 

'''A lot of Imperials use this to justify them joining the Empire. But this isn't actually true. If you talk to the Imperial Legate if Riften they actually say after the wars ends they plan to invade Morrowind. That shows after the civil war they are NOT going to fight the Dominion. The only people who say the Empire has any plans of fighting anytime soon is some soldiers and Tullius, but they don't make that decision. It seems to be mearly speculation that Imperials have made because they think the Empire will fight back. But that doesn't mean it's actually true. '''

"The Nords made the Empire" 

'''So what? I hear this argument being used a lot but I fail to see how it holds any weight in a civil war debate. I could assume that point they're trying to make is that since the Nords support the Empire they shouldn't fight it. But what these people don't realize is that the Empire is doing bad to Skyrim now. It doesn't matter if it was created by the Nords, it's doing nothing but allowing the Dominion to oppress the people. Anyway, if the Nords made it, don't they have the right to call quites if they feel it's not working anymore? As the Old Orc said, keeping something past it's usefulness is unnecessary. '''

'''"The Empire is the best hope for unity in Tamriel". '''

'''This might sound right on the serface, but the deeper you dig, you'll realize this argument is false & misleading. Since the Empire is of course... an Empire people think they will put all the Provinces together, but this is untrue. The Empire has made enemies with two Provinces. Hammerfell and Morrowind. Hammerfell because they abandoned them when the Dominion was trying to fight them, and Morrowind because they refused to help them with the Argonian invasion. The Summerset Isles, Valenwood, and Elswyer are all part of the Dominion, so they can't get help from them, Black Marsh has stayed out of the war for a while so I don't think they'll be joining soon. Which means the only two Provinces they have are Skyrim and High Rock. But if the Stormcloaks win not only will they lose Skyrim, but they wouldn't be able to get connection to High Rock. The Stormcloaks on the other hand, seem like they could unify Tamriel. They actually asked High Rock if they wanted to join them, the Redguards have similar ideas to the Stormcloaks, and the Dunmer hate the Empire and the Dominion. If these four nations teamed up to fight an already weak Thalmor, the fight will be a walk in the park. So the Stormcloaks are really the besr hope for unity in Tamriel. '''

'''So these are the reasons I believe the Empire is wrong in their cause. I already wrote two blogs on how the Stormcloaks are right, there I refute arguments against the Stormcloaks. I hope you enjoyed this blog and if you have any questions or think I'm wrong, you can leave a comment explaining why. "'''

Dave: This, essentially, is the entire blog. Shorter than its predecessors, it still has the distinct down-the-line style from the last two. Like before, we will go down the line, see what he has to say. But the very first thing, and I have told Zipper this before, but God, don't put such a blunt title. These people will eat you alive! Put "Why I think the Imperials are wrong." It states that you are giving your opinion, not fact. Some people are really nitpicky about that sort of thing. So the first agument given is to explain why the Empire signed the White-Gold Concordat and why they wrong in doing it. Essentially, the argument comes down to the Imperials signing it because they were tired of fighting. While I do think that is a plausible explanation, and I am sure the Elves signed it for that reason as well, I don't think it does the Stormcloaks justice. I know the Nords are warlike people, but I am sure after suffering thousands of losses, I think even they would be reasonable enough to sign a treaty for the sake of others. So this argument doesn't do its job to villify the Imperials, but actually, and ironically, it makes them out to be the better choice, as they put aside the fighting to reason to prevent loss of life. The same cannot be said for the Stormcloaks.

Madman97: Well, I disagree. I think some of the Stormcloaks would be willing to stop fighting to, I just think that the point Zipper is making is that the Imperials allowed the Elves to dictate the terms of the concordant, and worship of Talos was banned because the Imperials didn't at least protest.

Dave: I'm sure some did, but like I said, it was to prevent loss of life. Even you have to admit there is nothing wrong with that. So the very first argument isn't even an argument. It paints the Imperials in a good light, which I think docks a few points. Moving onto the next argument. The Imperials will fight the Dominion after the Civil War. Well, that's up for debate, and even so, Zipper pulls a fast one and says no, they are actually going to invade Morrowind. Personally, I don't think any nation is in the position to be attacking anyone right now. If Bethesda was smart, in the Elder Scrolls 6, they should pit, not just Skyrim against itself, but have all of Tamriel in the midst of a second Great War, like World War 2 in Elder Scrolls, and then just have those weird lizard serphents from Akaviri just show up and start kicking @$$ and taking names. But, that's just a fantasy. Anyway, the argument itself is I guess sort of reasonable.

Madman97: However, there are no sources provided. Even if what Zipper said about Morrowind is true, he needs to provide sources. He can't just say it on a whim. Trust me, I've learned in that department around here.

Dave: Plus, it doesn't even give a real argument against the Imperials, it's just stating random opinions on whether or not the Imperials will attack Morrowind or not. I don't see why they would, especially in the position they are in as of now. To argument number three, The Nords made the Empire....How does this have anything to do with the Imperials being wrong. Seems kind of counter intuitive if you ask me. Plus, the way it is phrased makes it sound like, well, jibberish. I have no idea what this has to do with the Imperials being wrong. I think your starting to see a pattern here.

Madman97: And onto the final argument, which finally has something that legitimatly has to do with the Imperials, 'bout time, and he goes onto explain that the Imperials are not a very beneficial unifier of the continent, as they have many enemies, and that the Stormcloaks would be better for Tamriel.

Dave:.....Yeeeeaaaaaah, no. I know you like the Stormcloaks better Madman, but you and I both no this is just untrue. While the Stormcloaks cause does seem good on the outside, you know, liberation and all that stuff, it is really kind of focused on Skyrim, rather than the rest of Tamriel. I don't think Skyrim gives a crap about Tamriel anymore to be honest. If you play the Stormcloak storyline, Ulfric appears to have no interest expanding the boarders of the Skyrim province. Plus, even if Hammerfell, Morrowind, and High Rock joined with them to fight the Dominion and by some miracle unify Tamriel, who's gonna get the throne? More Civil War, more Great Wars, and we will be in the exact same place we are now. Argument invalid, and not very good to begin with.

Madman97: And the final verdict is, (Drum roll please, )

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FORGETTABLE!!!

Dave: (Final Word): When I first read this blog, I was going to give it an atrocious. But then, as always with Zippers work, there is a silver lining. It drew the attention of the masses, and it spawned many a healthy debate and flame war in the comments below, bringing about new revalations and arguments that can actually be legitimate if put on a blog. However, Zipper apparently likes to be put arguments that have nothing to do with what he is trying to accomplish on his blogs instead, forcing me to dock him down to this level. Zipper, my man! You could be a fantastic blog debater, if you just USED CORRECT ARGUMENTS!

Madman97: Not to mention the grammatical errors, but we try not to get you for that. But its still nice to have correct grammar.

Dave: While poor a blog, again, it did spawn much, and I think people actually gained some by reading this so....(Change rating)

AVERAGE!!!

Dave: Looking back, it might not be so forgettable as I supposed. 345 comments is not forgettable, and it counts for something to have such a huge comment count to begin with. So you dodged a bullet this time Zipper, but we'll see what your other blogs tell us and how they hold up. As always, thanks for coming Madman97.

Madman97: Ah well, I suppose you needed the publicity for your show.

Dave: Yeah, whatever. Blog Critic and Wabbajack Grinder Extrordinaire, out.