User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20160526

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 * 00:19:18: KINMUNE: Hello there, Flightmare!
 * 00:20:19: KINMUNE: Hello there, Musashi357!
 * 00:20:27: Musashi357: YO KINMUNE
 * 00:28:56: KINMUNE: Hello there, YulFusKrad!
 * 00:31:51: Musashi357: YO
 * 00:32:14: YulFusKrad: musashi hi
 * 00:36:13: KINMUNE: Hello there, Legate Rob Round Belly!
 * 00:36:18: Legate Rob Round Belly: hello
 * 00:37:00: Musashi357: Hey
 * 00:37:05: Musashi357: whats up Y'all
 * 00:42:36: KINMUNE: Hello there, TheOracle7!
 * 00:43:00: TheOracle7: Nothing Mushashi, just listening to music - yourself?
 * 00:46:32: Musashi357: I'm listening to music too and browsing around the soul carirn cairn caring car...something
 * 00:47:01: TheOracle7: I'm listening to Hip-Hop, you?
 * 00:50:56: Musashi357: metal, Sonata Arctica's the Wolf & Raven ATM
 * 00:56:56: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph!
 * 00:57:51: YulFusKrad: ralvs
 * 00:57:59: YulFusKrad: time to proves which warrior is better
 * 00:58:06: YulFusKrad: dragonborn or ebony warrior
 * 00:58:48: Musashi357: black people?
 * 01:02:08: YulFusKrad: musashi why do u say black people
 * 01:03:28: Musashi357: you said Ebony Warrior
 * 01:03:38: Musashi357: I have no idea what that is but Ebony means black
 * 01:04:00: Musashi357: so I thought of a zulu tribesman kicking the Dragonborn's ass with a spear then eating him
 * 01:04:10: KINMUNE: Hello there, Qahnaarin1997!
 * 01:04:17: Qahnaarin1997: AHoy
 * 01:04:25: Musashi357: YO
 * 01:04:31: YulFusKrad: ebony warrior is most strongest and tallest man in tamriel
 * 01:05:15: Musashi357: I'll take your word for it, but then why does there need to be a contest between him and the Dragonborn if Ebony Warrior is the strongest?
 * 01:05:29: YulFusKrad: hes a quest
 * 01:05:35: Musashi357: Oh okay
 * 01:05:40: YulFusKrad: if u fight him its worth a fight
 * 01:05:44: Musashi357: I haven't gotten there yet I don't think
 * 01:05:46: YulFusKrad: he shouts
 * 01:05:54: Musashi357: I'll definitely wanna fight him then
 * 01:05:56: YulFusKrad: hes level 80 quest
 * 01:06:17: Musashi357: Jeez I'm nowhere near that and I've played over 800 hours on my main account lmao
 * 01:06:28: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: De docters say I have de viking bloods in me.
 * 01:07:10: Musashi357: My doctor says he needs more blood, I suspect he's a vampire
 * 01:07:46: YulFusKrad: ima build a coffin maybe
 * 01:08:42: YulFusKrad: i may be a vampire
 * 01:08:53: YulFusKrad: for dawnguard storyline
 * 01:09:43: Musashi357: I tried to be one, I'm in the soul cairn now chilling
 * 01:09:56: Musashi357: but its quite difficult and the powers actually kinda suck
 * 01:10:29: Musashi357: plus I saw the story line as boring as F
 * 01:11:21: YulFusKrad: but da bow
 * 01:11:29: YulFusKrad: and the shield is worth it
 * 01:12:05: Musashi357: but I'm not an expert and I am unaware of any shield you get
 * 01:12:20: YulFusKrad: Auriels Shield is held by a falmer warmonger
 * 01:12:34: Musashi357: oooooooh that one okay I remember now
 * 01:12:36: YulFusKrad: ruby paragon has it
 * 01:12:57: Musashi357: Yeah, that's pretty cool, I'm always Dawnguard cause I love the crossbow\
 * 01:13:05: YulFusKrad: true
 * 01:13:12: YulFusKrad: but i craft better bows
 * 01:13:25: YulFusKrad: dragonbone weapons
 * 01:14:09: YulFusKrad: musashi
 * 01:14:16: YulFusKrad: do u got all dlc's
 * 01:15:15: Musashi357: Yeah I do
 * 01:15:27: YulFusKrad: good
 * 01:15:28: Musashi357: I haven't done Dragonborn though yet
 * 01:15:32: YulFusKrad: what level are u now
 * 01:15:34: Musashi357: but yeah I own them all
 * 01:15:58: Musashi357: ummm lemme check, on my main I'm 71 or 72 on this one I'm 50
 * 01:16:00: KINMUNE: Hello there, Tamriel9!
 * 01:16:14: YulFusKrad: go on ur 71 and train it to 80
 * 01:16:27: Musashi357: I wanted to try and be a magician so I started a new account solely to do it with
 * 01:16:35: Musashi357: Alright then it will happen?
 * 01:16:40: YulFusKrad: yea
 * 01:16:50: YulFusKrad: and then u go to a very familiar area
 * 01:17:04: Musashi357: alright sweet
 * 01:17:08: YulFusKrad: his last vigil
 * 01:17:47: Tamriel9: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/88/40/f9/8840f95225dcd4802c9f724cefea9427.jpg
 * 01:18:17: YulFusKrad: oh god
 * 01:18:30: Musashi357: lol whaaat
 * 01:18:36: YulFusKrad: click it
 * 01:18:44: Musashi357: No thxies
 * 01:19:02: Qahnaarin1997: It's funny
 * 01:19:09: Tamriel9: It wont bite you
 * 01:19:10: Musashi357: lol alright then
 * 01:19:38: Musashi357: lmao\
 * 01:19:39: Tamriel9: XD
 * 01:19:44: Musashi357: thats good
 * 01:20:34: Tamriel9: That is what pewdiepie definitely looks like.
 * 01:20:41: Musashi357: lmao yeah
 * 01:20:53: YulFusKrad: musashi
 * 01:21:03: YulFusKrad: look up on youtube the Ebony Warrior
 * 01:21:07: Musashi357: kk
 * 01:21:11: YulFusKrad: for skyrim
 * 01:22:11: Tamriel9: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-mIxHxnWbxk/TJEzek2j13I/AAAAAAAACVc/h9OTFbXM1Ms/s1600/Sunset+%26+Donkey+ears+021.JPG
 * 01:22:45: Musashi357: damn the Ebony Warrior is tricked out like all hell
 * 01:23:45: YulFusKrad: jus wait
 * 01:23:54: YulFusKrad: he knows unrelenting force too
 * 01:24:23: Musashi357: jesus christ
 * 01:24:34: YulFusKrad: thats who im fighting
 * 01:24:47: Musashi357: he sets himself up exactly how I would if I wanted to make it difficult lol what an A-hole
 * 01:26:07: YulFusKrad: now think about this
 * 01:26:15: YulFusKrad: im on legendary mode
 * 01:27:31: Musashi357: I just sit for hours practicing dodging attacks so if I don't wanna get hit, I won't
 * 01:27:44: Tamriel9: http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/11/24/1124-jessica-parido-michael-tmz-2.jpg
 * 01:27:55: YulFusKrad: dude i jus did nothing to him
 * 01:27:59: Musashi357: and using terrain to your advantage to block Fus do rah's thrown at you will help
 * 01:28:01: YulFusKrad: not even a scratch
 * 01:28:11: Musashi357: lol well its supposed to be difficult
 * 01:28:12: Tamriel9: that is me.
 * 01:28:20: YulFusKrad: im on legendary dude
 * 01:28:27: YulFusKrad: and my gear is buffed
 * 01:28:35: YulFusKrad: bloodsythe and soulrender with deathbrand
 * 01:28:48: Musashi357: hahahaha
 * 01:28:58: Musashi357: Yeah you are gonna have a difficult time
 * 01:29:12: YulFusKrad: i jus switched it up on him
 * 01:29:15: YulFusKrad: my god gea
 * 01:29:16: YulFusKrad: gear
 * 01:29:19: YulFusKrad: XD
 * 01:29:27: Musashi357: he's 50% resistant to poison so there's few tricks you can honestly use on him
 * 01:29:45: YulFusKrad: dude hes got ebony armor set
 * 01:29:48: Musashi357: but your the Dragonborn so get your ass out there and do it xD
 * 01:29:52: YulFusKrad: with all 3 resistance
 * 01:29:54: Tamriel9: By the way when you said ebony warrior, I thought it was a hot ebony babe that was available for service.
 * 01:30:02: Musashi357: call durmivir
 * 01:30:03: YulFusKrad: shock, fire, and frost
 * 01:30:16: YulFusKrad: i could of jus summoned odahviing
 * 01:30:22: Musashi357: he's the 155MM Howitzer's
 * 01:30:31: Musashi357: lol that's what I'm saying
 * 01:30:43: YulFusKrad: good thing i have infinite shouts
 * 01:30:47: Musashi357: "YES GD WASTE THE MOFO'S" xD
 * 01:30:55: Qahnaarin1997: Caps
 * 01:31:04: Tamriel9: Hey since Im a pimp who wants some babes for service?
 * 01:31:09: Musashi357: Yeah I was shouting
 * 01:31:34: Musashi357: I was unaware of the ebony warrior I seriously thought it was just a black guy lol
 * 01:31:45: YulFusKrad: musashi
 * 01:31:45: YulFusKrad: no
 * 01:31:45: YulFusKrad: well yea and no
 * 01:31:50: YulFusKrad: redguard
 * 01:31:52: Musashi357: amazed by how much I still don't know about Skyrim
 * 01:32:05: Tamriel9: Or black girl 😏
 * 01:32:13: Musashi357: Yeah those guys are jerks lol their tough
 * 01:32:47: Qahnaarin1997: Musashi, all caps is spam, consider that your warning. k.
 * 01:33:04: Musashi357: alright sure thing
 * 01:33:13: Qahnaarin1997: Thanks for understanding.
 * 01:33:15: Qahnaarin1997: :)
 * 01:33:18: Tamriel9: Qahn You are the God of Time.
 * 01:33:31: Musashi357: lol its cool, I've ran several rooms myself
 * 01:33:32: YulFusKrad: ima adopt a child
 * 01:33:36: YulFusKrad: so i can keep this dog
 * 01:33:48: Musashi357: why do you have to adopt a child to keep a dog?
 * 01:33:59: Musashi357: I've never done it but I thought they were just followers
 * 01:34:00: YulFusKrad: die*
 * 01:34:46: YulFusKrad: u know what plot twist i did for the game
 * 01:34:50: Starkiller131: Hey qahnaarin1997.
 * 01:34:57: YulFusKrad: nord woman as dragonborn
 * 01:35:18: Tamriel9: Star I told Yul tovgive you the dog he adopted.
 * 01:35:24: Tamriel9: To give*
 * 01:35:28: YulFusKrad: ;-;
 * 01:35:58: Tamriel9: Here's why, I farted on it! Haha
 * 01:36:09: YulFusKrad: lol
 * 01:36:55: Tamriel9: Yul I took your wife and banged her last night. Star even helped me.
 * 01:37:09: YulFusKrad: sad for u i dont got a wife
 * 01:37:13: YulFusKrad: u used ur own hand
 * 01:37:17: YulFusKrad: and stars
 * 01:37:22: Musashi357: no comment
 * 01:38:00: Tamriel9: You have one she is right there, you just cant see her
 * 01:38:30: YulFusKrad: nice comeback
 * 01:39:21: Tamriel9: https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a4291369928_16.jpg
 * 01:39:58: YulFusKrad: lol
 * 01:42:08: Tamriel9: https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/8F9j61ntiBhp2t.immuFwA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://l.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/original/N8HVpXcvBb82xn1bzzaPMaUF4KA
 * 01:42:49: YulFusKrad: tamriel
 * 01:43:02: YulFusKrad: what level is ur character
 * 01:43:03: Tamriel9: Hehe
 * 01:43:44: Tamriel9: High level forgot though due to inactivity with xbox.
 * 01:44:08: Tamriel9: Forgot what high level exactly.
 * 01:44:51: YulFusKrad: im 86
 * 01:45:09: Qahnaarin1997: I'm 108 :P
 * 01:45:22: Qahnaarin1997: >:D
 * 01:45:31: Qahnaarin1997: Bow before me puny mortals!
 * 01:45:40: Tamriel9: No its XC
 * 01:46:23: YulFusKrad: never
 * 01:46:26: YulFusKrad: a dragon priest will never
 * 01:47:14: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
 * 01:47:50: Musashi357: jeez I thought the Reaper would be way more difficult
 * 01:47:57: YulFusKrad: hes nothing
 * 01:48:02: YulFusKrad: even on legendary
 * 01:48:23: Musashi357: yeah, Serana's stupid comments constantly are more annoying and damaging to my health than anything he did
 * 01:48:32: Musashi357: yeah I got it on master and it was pretty easy
 * 01:50:02: YulFusKrad: u wanna try legendary
 * 01:50:22: YulFusKrad: i started to respect those who play werewolves
 * 01:50:30: Musashi357: I can't see much of a difference
 * 01:50:43: Musashi357: yeah lol I turned into a werewolf to battle the Reaper to make it more difficult lmao
 * 01:50:43: YulFusKrad: u will when fighting ebony warrior
 * 01:51:04: Musashi357: Yeah I can tell the difference on some serious bosses like Dragons and even a few undead
 * 01:52:52: Musashi357: ok what do I get for killing the reaper??
 * 01:53:14: YulFusKrad: black soul gems
 * 01:53:18: YulFusKrad: and some other stuff
 * 01:53:22: Musashi357: hmmm
 * 01:53:43: Musashi357: ah ok it was ON the Reaper
 * 01:53:49: YulFusKrad: yea
 * 01:54:41: Musashi357: cool beans, not a bad reward for making me travel all over this stupid place for the better part of seven hours over the course of 2 days finding everything
 * 01:54:54: Musashi357: it seriously took me that long and I never could find the lair until I looked up a map
 * 01:57:47: YulFusKrad: im so angry\
 * 01:57:57: YulFusKrad: i cant bend will him in time
 * 01:58:49: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ned1230!
 * 01:58:54: Ned1230: Hey guys
 * 01:59:09: Ned1230: I don't think I know anyone here but Diogo, and he's away anyway
 * 01:59:14: Musashi357: lol
 * 01:59:16: Ned1230: So nice to meet you o/
 * 01:59:19: Ned1230: XD
 * 01:59:20: Musashi357: keep trying Yui
 * 01:59:21: Ned1230: Get rekt
 * 01:59:25: Musashi357: Hey Ned nice to meet you too comrade
 * 01:59:31: YulFusKrad: i am on him now
 * 01:59:38: Musashi357: but i gotta get some dinner, peace out
 * 01:59:44: Musashi357: you busta him up Yul
 * 02:00:00: YulFusKrad: im roasting the ebony warrior bit by bit
 * 02:02:31: YulFusKrad: finally
 * 02:21:49: KINMUNE: Hello there, CShels!
 * 02:23:45: KINMUNE: Hello there, Atvelonis!
 * 02:31:35: KINMUNE: Hello there, ShawnCognitionCP!
 * 02:38:52: KINMUNE: Hello there, Nicksmmith!
 * 02:39:02: Nicksmmith: o:
 * 02:39:10: Nicksmmith: hey
 * 02:39:43: Nicksmmith: whats the origin of vampire & werewolves rivalry
 * 02:39:57: ShawnCognitionCP: There really isn't one in TES.
 * 02:40:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Vampires usually see themselves as superior to everything, and werewolves/wereboars as subhuman, which is sub-something they're above.
 * 02:40:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Werewolves are just hostile in nature.
 * 02:40:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Not much of a direct conflict, unlike most fantasy worls.
 * 02:40:42: ShawnCognitionCP: worlds*
 * 02:40:43: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 02:40:45: Nicksmmith: probably cuz werewolves are more scarce
 * 02:41:10: Nicksmmith: yeah
 * 02:41:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Werewolves aren't the only lycanthrope.
 * 02:41:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Wereboars, werebears, werecrocodiles, the list goes on.
 * 02:42:37: Nicksmmith: honestly i never heard of those
 * 02:42:55: Nicksmmith: do they come from ancient european myths as well?
 * 02:43:05: ShawnCognitionCP: In Daggerfall a wereboar is the only type of lycanthrope you can play as.
 * 02:43:16: ShawnCognitionCP: You fight werebears in Dragonborn.
 * 02:44:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, yes.
 * 02:44:25: Nicksmmith: i only played skrim
 * 02:44:27: Nicksmmith: skyrim
 * 02:44:28: ShawnCognitionCP: They originate in legend.
 * 02:44:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Dragonborn is an expansion for Skyrim.
 * 02:44:40: Nicksmmith: yeah i know
 * 02:44:46: Nicksmmith: but daggerfall is tes 2
 * 02:44:55: Nicksmmith: seems pretty cool tho
 * 02:50:45: KINMUNE: Hello there, Sunset Shimmer101!
 * 03:03:40: KINMUNE: Hello there, Nehpys!
 * 03:04:07: Nehpys: Hello.
 * 03:04:50: Nehpys: I have a quick question regarding Daggerfall and Arena.
 * 03:05:39: Nehpys: On the wiki, it says that the "Eternal Champion"'s fate after Arena is unknown.
 * 03:05:59: Nehpys: But, in Daggerfall, Emperer Septim VII clearly calls the player "his champion".
 * 03:06:11: Nehpys: So wouldn't they be the same person?
 * 03:07:02: Nehpys: I mean, I would guess so but I wanted to make sure.
 * 03:13:12: YulFusKrad: neh
 * 03:13:31: YulFusKrad: it might be possible im not sure ive never played them
 * 03:13:34: KINMUNE: Hello there, Draeon143!
 * 03:14:15: Draeon143: Hello, greetings bot!
 * 03:14:24: Draeon143: Anyone else in here alive this time of night?
 * 03:19:39: YulFusKrad: yea
 * 03:19:40: YulFusKrad: me
 * 03:20:01: YulFusKrad: im trying to decide if i should jus kill paarthurnax or no
 * 03:20:12: KINMUNE: Hello there, Grand Master Mage!
 * 03:20:17: YulFusKrad: hey grand
 * 03:21:51: Nehpys: @YulFusKrad Alright, thanks. I've just seen the protagonist referred as to the hero, and the champion simultaneously, so I was confused which was which.
 * 03:22:02: Grand Master Mage: Hi
 * 03:22:09: Grand Master Mage: Hi
 * 03:22:19: Nehpys: hi
 * 03:22:38: YulFusKrad: neh how do u play daggerfall and arena
 * 03:22:42: YulFusKrad: is it free?
 * 03:23:04: Nehpys: Yes. For certain aniverseries of The Elder Scrolls, Arena and Daggerfall were released for free.
 * 03:23:12: Nehpys: http://elderscrolls.com/arena
 * 03:23:18: Nehpys: http://elderscrolls.com/daggerfall
 * 03:23:34: Nehpys: You need to use DOSBox to play them, sadly.
 * 03:23:50: Nehpys: But Bethesda put tutorials on how to play in documents included with the download so it's very simple to use.
 * 03:24:43: YulFusKrad: wait uriel septim
 * 03:24:52: YulFusKrad: wasnt it tiber septim that found the empire
 * 03:25:09: Nehpys: Yes, if I remember.
 * 03:25:24: Nehpys: Uriel Septim VII was the emperor of most of TES games though.
 * 03:25:35: Draeon143: Tiber Septim founded the septim dynasty, yes, but the empire existed before that with the Ayleids. It was just different.
 * 03:25:43: Draeon143: And not as large.
 * 03:25:52: Nehpys: Thank you, Draeon.
 * 03:25:55: YulFusKrad: oooh
 * 03:26:05: YulFusKrad: but yet tiber septim was dragonborn
 * 03:26:10: Draeon143: The first one, yes
 * 03:26:15: YulFusKrad: wait
 * 03:26:20: YulFusKrad: if he was first one
 * 03:26:31: YulFusKrad: then why does miraak mention hes the first dragonborn
 * 03:27:06: Draeon143: Probably an inconsistency in lore, there are a LOT of them
 * 03:27:14: Nehpys: I guess Septim adopted Miraak as a nickname?
 * 03:27:29: Draeon143: Bethesda doesn't have a writing department
 * 03:27:32: YulFusKrad: omg
 * 03:27:59: YulFusKrad: if he was dead and in apocrypha
 * 03:28:02: YulFusKrad: and a nord
 * 03:28:08: YulFusKrad: he could of been miraak
 * 03:28:22: YulFusKrad: cause miraak was supposedly dead
 * 03:28:28: Draeon143: Nah, different people
 * 03:28:30: YulFusKrad: and that was long ago
 * 03:28:41: YulFusKrad: well im only guessing hes nord
 * 03:28:45: YulFusKrad: he could be imperial
 * 03:28:58: Draeon143: Miraak isn't a nordic or imperial name
 * 03:29:05: YulFusKrad: hes a dragonpriest
 * 03:29:11: YulFusKrad: a live one
 * 03:29:19: Draeon143: It's elven, actually, judging from the naming conventions
 * 03:29:38: YulFusKrad: its said he was dragon priest
 * 03:30:03: Draeon143: He was also a Dragonborn, Dragon Priests couldn't absorb the souls of dragons
 * 03:30:10: YulFusKrad: indeed
 * 03:30:16: Draeon143: That's an ability only found in dragons, or in those with the soul of a dragon (hence dragonborn)
 * 03:30:17: YulFusKrad: thats why they tried to kill him
 * 03:30:27: YulFusKrad: and the dragons burned his temple to the ground
 * 03:30:32: Nehpys: Good god I learned more in this chat then playing the damned games themselves.
 * 03:30:40: Draeon143: Hello everyone, my name is Draeon
 * 03:30:50: Draeon143: I'm the lead writer for the Hammerfell department of the Beyond Skyrim project.
 * 03:30:57: Draeon143: Lore is kind of a thing I have to know a lot about.
 * 03:31:00: KINMUNE: Hello there, DarkVaultBoi111!
 * 03:31:10: YulFusKrad: are u really
 * 03:31:13: Draeon143: Yep
 * 03:31:24: DarkVaultBoi111: XD
 * 03:31:27: DarkVaultBoi111: fucking fake
 * 03:31:29: YulFusKrad: i find it hard to believe
 * 03:31:32: Draeon143: Sometimes I come here to pick the brains of the writers here
 * 03:31:40: Draeon143: The wiki updaters
 * 03:31:40: DarkVaultBoi111: except
 * 03:31:47: Draeon143: Because they know more than I do sometimes
 * 03:31:54: Grand Master Mage: If you wear were a powerful Dragon priest and Arch-Mage you look cool and your powerful
 * 03:31:56: Draeon143: I haven't played all the games, so, I hit a wall occasionally
 * 03:32:01: YulFusKrad: since the writers of te wiki are barely in chats
 * 03:32:15: Draeon143: I find them occasionally, at weeeee hours of the morning
 * 03:32:19: DarkVaultBoi111: No
 * 03:32:21: Draeon143: It's not late enough to see any of them right now
 * 03:32:45: Nehpys: Draeon, have you played Arena?
 * 03:32:53: DarkVaultBoi111: draeon, this is considered trolling and will get you blocked
 * 03:32:54: Draeon143: I was hoping to dig up some obscure lore about Herne, Cespar, Stros M'kai, and the Chain.
 * 03:33:04: Draeon143: Darkvault, go to darkcreations.org
 * 03:33:10: Draeon143: Hit up the beyond skyrim boards
 * 03:33:13: Draeon143: Find my username
 * 03:33:14: DarkVaultBoi111: No
 * 03:33:25: Draeon143: Fine, I'll save you the trouble.
 * 03:33:41: YulFusKrad: dark is it sad i have no clue what dark creations is
 * 03:33:41: DarkVaultBoi111: do not link it
 * 03:33:52: Nehpys: Are links illegal in chat?
 * 03:33:58: DarkVaultBoi111: if you link it, you will be banned
 * 03:33:59: YulFusKrad: if promoting
 * 03:34:07: YulFusKrad: nehpys
 * 03:34:08: DarkVaultBoi111: or
 * 03:34:12: Draeon143: http://www.darkcreations.org/profile/6399-draeon/ I'm not promoting, I'm encouraging you to investigate my credentials.
 * 03:34:13: YulFusKrad: trolling
 * 03:34:15: DarkVaultBoi111: if no one wants the damn thing
 * 03:34:19: Draeon143: Click on the projects tab.
 * 03:34:20: Nehpys: I want to see it.
 * 03:34:21: DarkVaultBoi111: draeon
 * 03:34:26: DarkVaultBoi111: i am reporting you
 * 03:34:32: DarkVaultBoi111: wait
 * 03:34:35: DarkVaultBoi111: one sec
 * 03:34:36: Nehpys: ..for what.
 * 03:34:36: Draeon143: Please do.
 * 03:34:45: DarkVaultBoi111: Are you saying you work for bethesdA?
 * 03:34:51: DarkVaultBoi111: oh
 * 03:34:52: DarkVaultBoi111: well
 * 03:34:52: Draeon143: I do not work for bethesda it's a mod
 * 03:34:55: DarkVaultBoi111: nvm then
 * 03:35:08: Draeon143: Beyond Skyrim, I never said bethesda.
 * 03:35:09: Draeon143: Bethesda doesn't have a writing department.
 * 03:35:27: DarkVaultBoi111: yes they do
 * 03:35:27: YulFusKrad: beyond skyrim is a mod isnt it
 * 03:35:29: Draeon143: And to answer an earlier question, no I have no played Arena
 * 03:35:39: DarkVaultBoi111: Daggerfall
 * 03:35:40: Nehpys: Hmm. Alright. I wanted to see if there was a way to crouch.
 * 03:35:42: Draeon143: Nope.
 * 03:35:48: DarkVaultBoi111: morrowind?
 * 03:35:49: Nehpys: Since Daggerfall had it and I can't hit this damn rat.
 * 03:36:00: Draeon143: I've played some of morrowind, most of oblivion, and I have 800+ hours logged in skyrim
 * 03:36:02: YulFusKrad: skyrim
 * 03:36:07: Nehpys: g2g.
 * 03:36:10: DarkVaultBoi111: well shit
 * 03:36:13: YulFusKrad: draeon
 * 03:36:16: Nehpys: See ya'll i guess.
 * 03:36:21: Draeon143: Later nehpys
 * 03:36:24: Draeon143: Yes yul?
 * 03:36:25: YulFusKrad: i was on a name generator for dragons of skyrim
 * 03:36:32: DarkVaultBoi111: most of oblivion is not a good answer! Die heretic!
 * 03:36:35: YulFusKrad: and i saw miraak
 * 03:36:44: DarkVaultBoi111: gtg
 * 03:36:54: Draeon143: Oblivion sucked, honestly. The lore was rich but the gameplay was lacking compared to morrowind
 * 03:36:56: YulFusKrad: since miraak is a word of power technically
 * 03:37:02: Grand Master Mage: Greg
 * 03:37:12: YulFusKrad: Mir-Aak
 * 03:37:15: Draeon143: Miraak might have been a mantle he assumed when he became a dragon priest
 * 03:37:20: Draeon143: We may never know who Miraak really was
 * 03:37:22: Grand Master Mage: Fixing corrupted link
 * 03:37:25: Draeon143: But he certainly was not Tiber Septim
 * 03:37:26: YulFusKrad: true
 * 03:37:37: YulFusKrad: well not much is known about him
 * 03:37:49: YulFusKrad: they both died same era
 * 03:38:08: Draeon143: Tiber Septim didn't die
 * 03:38:10: YulFusKrad: but he may of been first dragonborn
 * 03:38:13: Draeon143: Tiber Septim became Talos
 * 03:38:20: YulFusKrad: draeon
 * 03:38:29: YulFusKrad: dont tell me u beleive that story
 * 03:38:32: Draeon143: He's a divine now, or so the Nords claim.
 * 03:38:37: YulFusKrad: he isnt talos
 * 03:38:42: YulFusKrad: martin septim is
 * 03:38:44: Draeon143: Well Trinimac is dead so we need a new divine
 * 03:38:57: Draeon143: Martin Septim is NOT Talos, Talos has existed since before the oblivion crisis
 * 03:38:59: YulFusKrad: since he casted the spell
 * 03:39:12: YulFusKrad: tiberseptim was assassinated
 * 03:39:20: YulFusKrad: and talos isnt a god
 * 03:39:23: Draeon143: If Martin Septim became anything he became part of Akatosh
 * 03:39:25: YulFusKrad: hes a title
 * 03:39:36: YulFusKrad: by the greybeards
 * 03:39:48: Draeon143: The greybeards have nothing to do with Talos
 * 03:39:56: YulFusKrad: are u kidding
 * 03:39:59: YulFusKrad: they named him talos
 * 03:40:12: Draeon143: Talos' entire theology contradicts the teachings of Paarthurnax and the greybeards
 * 03:40:28: YulFusKrad: thats cause he didnt listen
 * 03:40:35: YulFusKrad: arrogance is a easy trap for man
 * 03:41:03: YulFusKrad: if hes even a god
 * 03:41:16: YulFusKrad: where was he when alduin invaded sovngarde
 * 03:41:33: Draeon143: Sovngarde is not where everyone goes when they die
 * 03:41:36: Draeon143: It is one realm
 * 03:41:44: YulFusKrad: its the honor realm
 * 03:41:45: Draeon143: Like the Ash Pit, or Hermaeus Mora's realm
 * 03:41:50: YulFusKrad: of aetherius
 * 03:41:52: Draeon143: No, it's where you go if you believe you go there
 * 03:41:57: Draeon143: Like the Far Shore for the Ra'guda
 * 03:42:06: Draeon143: Or to Molag Bal's realm if you're a vampire
 * 03:42:13: YulFusKrad: sovngarde is shor realm
 * 03:42:22: YulFusKrad: one of akatoshes warriors
 * 03:42:47: YulFusKrad: im a firm believer the way of the voice
 * 03:42:51: Draeon143: Tiber Septim was a nord, yes, dragonborn yes, but if he believed he belonged somewhere else or learned to ascend to Divine-hood
 * 03:42:56: Draeon143: Then he would not go to Sovngarde
 * 03:43:10: YulFusKrad: he didnt learn it
 * 03:43:20: YulFusKrad: martin learned it from an ancient scroll
 * 03:43:22: Draeon143: Like the souls of those trapped by necromancers go to the Masters in that weird realm from Dawnguard
 * 03:43:32: YulFusKrad: soul cairn
 * 03:44:10: YulFusKrad: but doesnt last long as odahviing
 * 03:44:25: ShawnCognitionCP: The amount of wrong lore here is hilarious.
 * 03:44:27: Draeon143: Point being, Talos isn't in Sovngarde because he ascended to aetherius itself
 * 03:44:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber septim was a Breton.
 * 03:44:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Wulfharth was a nord.
 * 03:44:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber stole Wulfharth's identity.
 * 03:44:46: YulFusKrad: oh its shawn
 * 03:44:52: ShawnCognitionCP: The statues of "Tiber" in Skyrim over the serpent actually depict Wulfharth.
 * 03:44:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Talos isn't Tiber Septim.
 * 03:45:08: YulFusKrad: i knew it
 * 03:45:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Talos is the oversoul that manifested from Zurin Arctus, Tiber Septim, and Wulfharth.
 * 03:45:13: YulFusKrad: wasnt it martin septim
 * 03:45:18: ShawnCognitionCP: All three were shezzarine.
 * 03:45:33: ShawnCognitionCP: The three entiamorphed.
 * 03:45:35: Draeon143: I totally forgot about Wulfharth
 * 03:45:48: YulFusKrad: oh that makes much more sense shawn
 * 03:45:53: YulFusKrad: since taloses forms is wulf
 * 03:45:57: Draeon143: See, now, this is why I come here to get my lore shit straightened out
 * 03:46:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Talos is a product of all three's souls being merged.
 * 03:46:05: ShawnCognitionCP: He is none of the three themselves.
 * 03:46:09: ShawnCognitionCP: A new being formed from them.
 * 03:46:16: YulFusKrad: so wait
 * 03:46:19: Draeon143: I do so much writing from obscure shit that I forget the real lore
 * 03:46:22: YulFusKrad: is he a dragon
 * 03:46:27: ShawnCognitionCP: No.
 * 03:46:33: YulFusKrad: what does he look like
 * 03:46:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber is not a dragon.
 * 03:46:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Depends.
 * 03:46:42: YulFusKrad: no i mean talos
 * 03:46:50: ShawnCognitionCP: He manifests in Morrowind as a man.
 * 03:46:59: Draeon143: Aedra take any appearance they want, much like Daedra
 * 03:47:03: YulFusKrad: isnt it wulf tho
 * 03:47:05: ShawnCognitionCP: When he meets Cyrus on Messer, one of the moons, he appears as a divine warlord.
 * 03:47:08: YulFusKrad: his main form
 * 03:47:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Fun fact.
 * 03:47:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Talos is the forth most powerful TES character.
 * 03:47:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Hoondig is above him.
 * 03:47:33: Draeon143: Hoonding w00t w00t
 * 03:47:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Actually, he's the fifth.
 * 03:47:44: ShawnCognitionCP: 1. Numidium during C0DA
 * 03:47:50: ShawnCognitionCP: 2. Kalpa-Eating Alduin
 * 03:47:52: ShawnCognitionCP: 3. Hoondig
 * 03:47:56: ShawnCognitionCP: 4. Vivec
 * 03:47:59: ShawnCognitionCP: 5. Talos
 * 03:48:01: Draeon143: Reppin that ra'gada lore
 * 03:48:18: Draeon143: Damn straight he is
 * 03:48:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Cyrus fucking throat-punched Talos on the moon.
 * 03:48:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Legitimately punched him in the neck.
 * 03:48:37: Draeon143: \o/
 * 03:48:38: YulFusKrad: lol
 * 03:48:40: Draeon143: Gooooooooooal
 * 03:48:46: Draeon143: At any rate
 * 03:48:56: Draeon143: Shawn you magnificent genius
 * 03:48:58: YulFusKrad: shawn i got questions that u can answer
 * 03:49:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Go ahead and ask any lore questions you have.
 * 03:49:10: YulFusKrad: is miraak the first dragonborn
 * 03:49:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Technically.
 * 03:49:29: Draeon143: Technically because it's the most recent lore claim
 * 03:49:31: ShawnCognitionCP: He existed far before Tiber.
 * 03:49:36: Draeon143: Or technically because yeah that
 * 03:49:38: YulFusKrad: oh
 * 03:49:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Miraak is technically the first dragonborn, if you don't count the fact >certain< characters can fucking time travel.
 * 03:49:52: YulFusKrad: i heard from storn he was dragon priest
 * 03:49:57: ShawnCognitionCP: He was.
 * 03:50:04: ShawnCognitionCP: He was a dragonpriest and a dragonborn.
 * 03:50:16: Draeon143: They didn't much like when he figured out how to mind control them.
 * 03:50:18: YulFusKrad: but isnt the dragonborn supposed to go against dragons not help
 * 03:50:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Prophecy is TES isn't certain.
 * 03:50:42: ShawnCognitionCP: It's what >could< happen, not what >will<.
 * 03:50:46: Draeon143: Technically a dragonborn going against the dragons is the same as dragons defying each other
 * 03:50:53: YulFusKrad: now shawn
 * 03:50:55: Draeon143: Or man fighting other men
 * 03:50:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence Pelinal Whitestreak having to go back in time to assure that the pantheons were merged.
 * 03:51:06: YulFusKrad: should i kill paarthurnax or kill the blades
 * 03:51:17: Draeon143: Neither, get that mod that let's you leave them both alive
 * 03:51:20: ShawnCognitionCP: You don't kill the blades.
 * 03:51:23: Draeon143: Because win
 * 03:51:27: ShawnCognitionCP: They ignore you if you don't.
 * 03:51:29: YulFusKrad: i saw how to
 * 03:51:40: YulFusKrad: they arent needed if u tell them alduin is dead
 * 03:51:50: Draeon143: Alright no but seriously, shawn you magnificent genius
 * 03:52:05: YulFusKrad: i saw the video about it
 * 03:52:38: Draeon143: I'm having trouble digging up extensive lore on Herne, Cespar, and The Chain. Also there's not a whole lot about Stros M'kai outside of Daggerfall. Do you know of any lore or history rich resources to these ends?
 * 03:52:39: YulFusKrad: im very confused
 * 03:52:54: ShawnCognitionCP: If you find a way to ask specific questions, I can answer any of it.
 * 03:53:08: YulFusKrad: well i wanna let paarthurnax live
 * 03:53:20: YulFusKrad: but a part of me wants a challenge
 * 03:53:22: Draeon143: So let him live the blades are useless afterward anyway
 * 03:53:34: Draeon143: The real challenge is hunting down all the dragon graveyards by yourself
 * 03:53:54: ShawnCognitionCP: It's like having a perpetual orgasm for half an hour.
 * 03:54:03: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Good.
 * 03:54:03: YulFusKrad: or jus join them for the dragon infusion
 * 03:54:13: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4jSG-BHrH0
 * 03:54:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Best Goregrind album of 2016 so far.
 * 03:54:23: Draeon143: Shawn can you cite any late 3e or early 4e instances of Sload presence in Hammerfell?
 * 03:54:25: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: I sense a great coming, and it isn't Jesus.
 * 03:54:40: YulFusKrad: shawn can u help me with finding out what to do
 * 03:54:46: YulFusKrad: kill paarthurnax or let him live
 * 03:55:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Redguard, Draeon.
 * 03:55:06: ShawnCognitionCP: The game.
 * 03:55:11: ShawnCognitionCP: You meet a single Sload.
 * 03:55:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Sload are very isolationist in nature.
 * 03:55:35: YulFusKrad: ima try and do the trivia and figure out if it lets the dragon live and i can talk to paarthurnax
 * 03:55:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Other than causing the great plague and almost mass extinction of Tamriel in the 2nd era, they don't really travel to the continent.
 * 03:56:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Let him live, Yul.
 * 03:56:09: ShawnCognitionCP: The only difference is who gives you fetch quests.
 * 03:56:58: Draeon143: Any idea where Thras was supposed to be in relation to the Hammerfell/Summerset islands?
 * 03:56:58: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 03:57:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Thras is still in existence.
 * 03:57:19: ShawnCognitionCP: The best I can describe it, is west.
 * 03:57:20: Draeon143: Can't find any maps with it
 * 03:57:38: Draeon143: http://www.uesp.net/w/images/f/f9/Tam-Maps-West_Tamriel.jpg Compared to this map, where?
 * 03:57:41: ShawnCognitionCP: If you want really advanced lore, your head will explode.
 * 03:57:57: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: "Dat boy frum de devul!"
 * 03:58:04: Draeon143: I need it for writing purposes
 * 03:58:26: Draeon143: As advanced as you can give me and are willing to hand over, I can take it
 * 03:58:36: Draeon143: I can take it all in ~_~ ^_^ ~_~ ^_^
 * 03:58:44: ShawnCognitionCP: West of where Yokuda once was.
 * 03:58:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Then that'll require me telling you this first.
 * 03:58:54: ShawnCognitionCP: All of TES is a dream.
 * 03:59:00: ShawnCognitionCP: A lot of it has more dream-based logic than normal.
 * 03:59:15: Draeon143: Knew that
 * 03:59:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Anu is the godhead, a being that reached amaranth in a past kalpa (cycle of the universe, where each time a few things are different), that exists only to dream.
 * 04:00:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Alduin is immortal and will never be stopped, because he is the concept of the end of time. When he is in his kalpa-eating form, he becomes a void that kills and erases everything except Anu and Padomay.
 * 04:00:14: Draeon143: I can already sense that the Ra'guda lore is most accurate
 * 04:00:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Atmora is a "long slide" of the far past, the beginning of the world.
 * 04:01:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Akavir is a "long slide" of the future of tamriel.
 * 04:01:21: ShawnCognitionCP: both Atmora and Akavir are versions of Tamriel, with different times being reflected, and different possible outcomes existing.
 * 04:01:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Aldmeris never existed.
 * 04:01:38: ShawnCognitionCP: It is an idea within the high elves, one that they believe is true, but it is not.
 * 04:02:27: ShawnCognitionCP: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/d/da/Map_arthmodeus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120926224042
 * 04:02:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Here is a map that shows Thras.
 * 04:02:44: ShawnCognitionCP: It is the brown cluster, east of Yokuda, and west of Tamriel.
 * 04:02:57: Draeon143: Yul check private
 * 04:03:12: YulFusKrad: draeon what private
 * 04:03:17: YulFusKrad: i dnt see it
 * 04:03:43: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: What's the best way to get a mother who has an ego bigger than her IQ to stop being cringy?
 * 04:04:01: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: This is legit question.
 * 04:04:02: Draeon143: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/18465/ Check this mod out, Yul
 * 04:04:06: Draeon143: IT will make your life easier.
 * 04:04:17: YulFusKrad: draeon im on xbox360
 * 04:04:31: Draeon143: ...get skyrim for pc
 * 04:04:38: YulFusKrad: if i had money
 * 04:04:48: Draeon143: Bruh it's so cheap now
 * 04:04:52: Draeon143: Steam is win
 * 04:04:55: YulFusKrad: i still gotta do 2 payments for legendary
 * 04:05:04: Draeon143: Save it up then man
 * 04:05:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Shatter her ego, Ralvz.
 * 04:05:10: Draeon143: Load your steam wallet until the time is right...
 * 04:05:25: Draeon143: But Shawn, you're telling me Sestres and Vandor are Thras?
 * 04:06:49: YulFusKrad: i know im doin the war but i wanna bypass and still use the blades
 * 04:07:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Areas within Thras.
 * 04:08:29: Draeon143: Then don't do the quest
 * 04:08:38: Draeon143: I would just not complete it lol
 * 04:08:43: KINMUNE: Hello there, ArkaineDestiny!
 * 04:09:01: YulFusKrad: if theres a way to get that mod in xbox
 * 04:09:05: YulFusKrad: legally
 * 04:09:09: YulFusKrad: ill use it right now
 * 04:09:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Nope.
 * 04:09:42: KINMUNE: Hello there, Scorching Emblem!
 * 04:09:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Any and all modifications to the system's hardware directly violate your customer rights, and the terms of use.
 * 04:09:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Illegal.
 * 04:09:47: Scorching Emblem: Hai
 * 04:09:53: YulFusKrad: i know
 * 04:10:22: YulFusKrad: xbox should allow it
 * 04:11:58: YulFusKrad: lol ulfric is at the peak of my sword and i wanna kill him and be done with it
 * 04:12:21: YulFusKrad: all i gotta do is take abt 2 forts and its over
 * 04:14:23: ShawnCognitionCP: How do you feel about the album so far, Ralvz?
 * 04:15:35: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 04:15:47: YulFusKrad: the trivia didnt work to bypass
 * 04:16:14: YulFusKrad: why cant they understand that alduin was a much more stronger dragon than the rest
 * 04:17:10: YulFusKrad: my problem is idk if i can find all the words of power in time tonite
 * 04:17:26: Scorching Emblem: Is it just me
 * 04:17:42: Scorching Emblem: Or are the questlines in Oblivion a little longer than the ones in Skyrim?
 * 04:17:56: ShawnCognitionCP: It's just you.
 * 04:18:02: YulFusKrad: well skyrim is a more open area
 * 04:18:33: Scorching Emblem: Hmmm
 * 04:18:42: YulFusKrad: shawn is killin paarthurnax right
 * 04:19:06: ShawnCognitionCP: You gain absolutely nothing by doing so.
 * 04:19:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Nothing changes.
 * 04:19:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Just who gives you the stupid generated quests.
 * 04:19:47: Scorching Emblem: Actually
 * 04:19:51: YulFusKrad: its jus sad for me to kill something that helped me
 * 04:20:00: Scorching Emblem: Not killing Paarthurnax is the right choice
 * 04:20:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Neither is the right choice.
 * 04:20:21: Scorching Emblem: If you kill him, Esbern tells you where to fight dragons to get Dragon Souls
 * 04:20:22: ShawnCognitionCP: You don't get a major reward either way.
 * 04:20:38: YulFusKrad: well scorching he also gives u a blessing and a potion
 * 04:20:42: ShawnCognitionCP: The greybeards will do that in his place.
 * 04:20:52: ShawnCognitionCP: All that changes is who gives you shitty generated quests.
 * 04:20:59: ShawnCognitionCP: You get the same content either way.
 * 04:21:00: Scorching Emblem: If you don't kill him, Arngeir will tell you where Words of Power are
 * 04:21:01: Scorching Emblem: No
 * 04:21:07: Scorching Emblem: You're wrong
 * 04:21:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Esbern will lead you to words of power as well.
 * 04:21:23: Scorching Emblem: Not really
 * 04:21:27: YulFusKrad: well scorch u can easily find letter from friends and they give u tips
 * 04:21:36: Scorching Emblem: Esbern just tells you where to fight dragons
 * 04:21:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, he will. He informs you that he has uncovered something of great use to the cause.
 * 04:21:48: Scorching Emblem: And SOME of them MIGHT be at word walls
 * 04:22:03: ShawnCognitionCP: The dragons you fight are at word walls or guarding fetch iterms.
 * 04:22:05: Scorching Emblem: Arngeir will outright lead you to Words of Power
 * 04:22:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Which also happens with Arngeir.
 * 04:22:32: ShawnCognitionCP: The only bonus on either side is the fact the Blades will let you give them followers for free Blade armor and swords.
 * 04:22:34: Scorching Emblem: /me rolls his eyes
 * 04:22:47: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Love it.
 * 04:22:57: Ralvz'jeshka Shakaraph: Gotta sleep however.
 * 04:23:01: ShawnCognitionCP: We have people that explore the files of the game to edit here. Everything about the game is available easily. It's the same content regardless of if you kill Parthurnaax or not.
 * 04:23:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Easily the best Goregrind of 2016 so far, Ralvz.
 * 04:23:28: Scorching Emblem: There's a mod for Oblivion that adds marriage
 * 04:23:28: YulFusKrad: so jus kill him
 * 04:23:43: ShawnCognitionCP: The new Hymen Holocaust has me hype as fuck.
 * 04:24:49: Scorching Emblem: If it wasn't for Paarthurnax, Tiber Septim could not become the hero he was
 * 04:24:57: ShawnCognitionCP: He wasn't a hero, lmao.
 * 04:25:05: ArkaineDestiny: I killed Paarthurnax simply because I needed Dragon Bones.
 * 04:25:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber was a rapist, a traitor, a genocidal freak, an identity thief, and a liar.
 * 04:25:15: ArkaineDestiny: Sorry, late message. Topic's moved on.
 * 04:25:29: ShawnCognitionCP: There is a reason he conflicted with both Vivec and Zurin Arctus.
 * 04:25:37: ShawnCognitionCP: There is also a reason Talos is made neutral.
 * 04:25:51: ShawnCognitionCP: Zurin (support), Tiber (oppose), and Wulfharth (neutral)
 * 04:25:58: ShawnCognitionCP: All come together in the entiamorph.
 * 04:26:05: ShawnCognitionCP: When you add those together, you have (neutral)
 * 04:26:06: Scorching Emblem: Where the fuck do you get your information?
 * 04:26:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Lore.
 * 04:26:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Hi.
 * 04:26:15: ShawnCognitionCP: One of the wiki's loremasters.
 * 04:26:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Have been for over two years now.
 * 04:26:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Only remaining one is Ika.
 * 04:26:36: Scorching Emblem: >Loremasters
 * 04:26:40: Scorching Emblem: Pfffft
 * 04:26:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Loremasters=users that help edit lore articles and correct mistakes
 * 04:26:54: Scorching Emblem: How conceited can you get?
 * 04:27:08: ShawnCognitionCP: We used to have a group called "loremasters", just as we have "news team" and "oblivion editors' now.
 * 04:27:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Groups on the wiki that focused on one job, and only that job.
 * 04:27:50: YulFusKrad: welp paar is dead then
 * 04:27:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Not a self given title- it's one that started on the Bethesda forus.
 * 04:28:00: ShawnCognitionCP: forums*
 * 04:28:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Key error.
 * 04:28:06: Scorching Emblem: Literally EVERYONE
 * 04:28:12: ArkaineDestiny: I really would love to be a Loremaster.
 * 04:28:18: ShawnCognitionCP: No, loremasters were selected by administration, Scorching.
 * 04:28:19: Scorching Emblem: In the Elder Scrolls series refers to Tiber Septim as a hero
 * 04:28:23: ShawnCognitionCP: No
 * 04:28:24: ShawnCognitionCP: They
 * 04:28:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Don't
 * 04:28:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Lmao
 * 04:28:27: Scorching Emblem: Except maybe the High Elves
 * 04:28:34: ShawnCognitionCP: The entire plot of Daggerfall is because he was a genocidal freak.
 * 04:28:36: Scorching Emblem: But that's only because they reject Talos
 * 04:28:42: ShawnCognitionCP: He killed everyone that opposed him.
 * 04:29:03: ShawnCognitionCP: He used the Underking's soul (zurin) in the mantella to fuel the Numindium, which he got from Vivec, and used for evil against his will.
 * 04:29:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence the Underking being an undying hero for two eras.
 * 04:29:32: Scorching Emblem: Are you sure we're talking about the same dude?
 * 04:29:32: ShawnCognitionCP: His soul was within the mantella. A permanent lich, until Daggerfall occurs.
 * 04:29:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes.
 * 04:29:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber Septim.
 * 04:29:41: Scorching Emblem: Tiber Septim is the one who united all of Tamriel
 * 04:29:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Breton emperor.
 * 04:29:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes.
 * 04:29:46: ShawnCognitionCP: I know.
 * 04:29:49: Scorching Emblem: Breton?
 * 04:29:51: ShawnCognitionCP: He stole Wulfharth's identity as well.
 * 04:29:55: Scorching Emblem: I thought he was Imperial
 * 04:30:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Wulfharth was a nord high king and hero.
 * 04:30:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber stole his name to boost himself in politics.
 * 04:30:18: ShawnCognitionCP: All status of "Tiber" in Skyrim are really Wulfharth.
 * 04:30:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber is mostly accepted as Breton, but Imperial is still a light "maybe".
 * 04:30:50: ShawnCognitionCP: We know for a fact he wasn't a nord.
 * 04:30:53: ShawnCognitionCP: That was Wulfharth.
 * 04:31:04: YulFusKrad: welp durak and jzargo and another dawnguard memeber is being a blade
 * 04:31:19: ShawnCognitionCP: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/interviews-vivec
 * 04:31:30: ShawnCognitionCP: "No man can give a million thanks, much less mean them all. Most cannot give one with any sincerity, so set watch before there come wolves.

I have been to the Imperial City many times, moonson. And I have met with the two-headed king more than once, in most of his recent incarnations. Which meeting do you refer to? The creation of the Armistace? Our supper where I was present in all three aspects? The reorganization of the Anumidum? The time I killed him? Which?" >vivec rapes molag in return >they rape each other And we are all together"
 * 04:31:37: Scorching Emblem: This doesn't change the fact that he united all of Tamriel and was claimed a hero by the majority of the population of said continent
 * 04:31:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Quote from Vivec, whom personally knew Tiber and gave him the Numindium, about how much of a two-headed cunt he was.
 * 04:32:01: ShawnCognitionCP: He killed all opposition, even those that simply ran against him.
 * 04:32:06: ShawnCognitionCP: He's known as a hero through legend.
 * 04:32:11: ShawnCognitionCP: In real life, he was a tyrant.
 * 04:32:21: ShawnCognitionCP: He also united Tamriel only by imperialistic force.
 * 04:32:29: Scorching Emblem: And unity
 * 04:32:34: ShawnCognitionCP: It was akin to the conquest of Rome- which he is based off of.
 * 04:32:36: Scorching Emblem: People adored him
 * 04:32:40: ShawnCognitionCP: No one wanted to be a part of his empire.
 * 04:32:45: Scorching Emblem: Bullshit
 * 04:32:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Not a single province.
 * 04:32:49: ShawnCognitionCP: Wulfharth hated him.
 * 04:32:50: Scorching Emblem: Bull. Shit.
 * 04:32:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Morrowind was tearing itself apart.
 * 04:33:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Valenwood were in the first dominion with Summerset and Elsewyre.
 * 04:33:10: Scorching Emblem: Heck
 * 04:33:11: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ikabite!
 * 04:33:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Hammerfell fought against him valiantly.
 * 04:33:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber was an absolute cunt at his best.
 * 04:33:23: Scorching Emblem: Why didn't the Greybeards mention how much of a cunt we was hmmm?
 * 04:33:32: YulFusKrad: cause they are in skyrim
 * 04:33:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Because they're incredibly bias and stay out of politics.
 * 04:33:41: Scorching Emblem: They were the ones who trained him in the way of the voice
 * 04:33:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, notice they weren't exactly alive during his rule.
 * 04:33:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Not the same greybeards.
 * 04:33:51: YulFusKrad: and the fact he is also two headed remember
 * 04:34:16: YulFusKrad: arkaine
 * 04:34:20: ShawnCognitionCP: >I don't know lore, so I'll call you a dumbass and not provide anything to back my claims
 * 04:34:21: ArkaineDestiny: Alduin was the original Stormcloak.
 * 04:34:22: ShawnCognitionCP: 10/10
 * 04:34:27: YulFusKrad: they are different races actually
 * 04:34:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Almost as good as debating a Sanders supporter.
 * 04:34:30: Ikabite: You have to be an asshole to survive Chiming in the first place, so that's that.
 * 04:34:44: ShawnCognitionCP: ^
 * 04:34:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Two people achieved CHIM.
 * 04:34:51: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber and Vivec.
 * 04:34:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Both rapists.
 * 04:34:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Both in for personal gain only.
 * 04:35:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Both power hungry.
 * 04:35:08: Ikabite: You have to love yourself more than anything else to keep your identity.
 * 04:35:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Both tyrannical in different ways.
 * 04:35:24: ShawnCognitionCP: You quite literally have to love yourself more than all of existence.
 * 04:35:32: ShawnCognitionCP: You have to care more about you than all other beings put together.
 * 04:35:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Absolutely self-absorbed.
 * 04:35:39: YulFusKrad: lol assassins against a deathbrand armored warrior
 * 04:35:51: ShawnCognitionCP: Notice he called me a dumbass and left before I corrected him.
 * 04:35:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Ignorance is bliss to some, I guess.
 * 04:36:12: YulFusKrad: imstill learning shawn sorry if i get the lore wrong
 * 04:36:22: ShawnCognitionCP: When fucking >VIVEC< calls you two faced and manipulative, you know you're fucked up.
 * 04:36:34: YulFusKrad: indeed
 * 04:36:46: YulFusKrad: u know ima be honest with u shawn
 * 04:36:59: YulFusKrad: i thought at first he was honorable but now i think ur right
 * 04:37:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber stole Wulfharth's identity and accomplishments.
 * 04:37:21: ShawnCognitionCP: The good you hear was mostly Wulfharth's doing.
 * 04:37:26: ShawnCognitionCP: The rest is legend.
 * 04:37:43: YulFusKrad: well i always thought legends were real
 * 04:37:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Is the Loremaster's Guild still a think, Ika?
 * 04:37:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Or did we get rid of that on the wiki?
 * 04:37:55: ShawnCognitionCP: I think it's gone.
 * 04:37:57: Ikabite: No clue.
 * 04:38:28: YulFusKrad: shawn can i be a loremaster too
 * 04:38:32: YulFusKrad: i wanna learn this stuff
 * 04:38:36: Ikabite: :D
 * 04:38:40: ShawnCognitionCP: We don't even know if it's a thing anymore, lmao
 * 04:38:51: ShawnCognitionCP: Neither Ika or myself really give two fucks about the mainspace.
 * 04:38:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Except ESO.
 * 04:38:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Ika still does ESO shit.
 * 04:39:05: ShawnCognitionCP: For some ungodly reason.
 * 04:39:09: Ikabite: A bit.
 * 04:39:13: YulFusKrad: ill do skyrim stuff
 * 04:39:15: Ikabite: Because it keeps me occupied.
 * 04:39:19: YulFusKrad: i mainly play it
 * 04:39:23: Ikabite: And nobody else does it.
 * 04:39:24: ShawnCognitionCP: FIle-digging and dialogue charting?
 * 04:39:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Sure, it's busy work.
 * 04:39:33: ShawnCognitionCP: I can see it occupying time.
 * 04:39:36: ShawnCognitionCP: A bit too much time.
 * 04:40:01: Ikabite: Dude, I'm unemployed, out of Uni, I have all the time, too much time.
 * 04:40:14: Ikabite: I'm slovvly going insane home alone.
 * 04:40:18: ShawnCognitionCP: You should be out hunting some Latvian bitches.
 * 04:40:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Spear in hand.
 * 04:40:32: Ikabite: Ye, ye, one just dumped me a vveek ago.
 * 04:40:48: ShawnCognitionCP: And so the new hunt begins.
 * 04:41:01: Ikabite: I've begun the hunt, but there's no good prospects yet.
 * 04:41:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Hide in a dark alley and grab the skimpiest-dressed girl you see.
 * 04:41:26: YulFusKrad: lol
 * 04:41:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Works every time.
 * 04:41:30: ShawnCognitionCP: I promise.
 * 04:41:32: YulFusKrad: the huntsman ika
 * 04:42:05: YulFusKrad: check innkeepers carriage drivers anyone who would meet a traveler
 * 04:42:07: Ikabite: I knovv a gal vvho got raped by imigrants... on purpose.
 * 04:42:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Then it wasn't rape.
 * 04:42:18: ShawnCognitionCP: She simply baited the Muslims.
 * 04:42:19: Ikabite: VVell, yeah.
 * 04:42:27: ShawnCognitionCP: I can already tell they were Muslim.
 * 04:42:30: ShawnCognitionCP: True?
 * 04:42:36: Ikabite: Hell if I knovv.
 * 04:42:43: ShawnCognitionCP: They were Muslim.
 * 04:42:43: Scorching Emblem: http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/44089/?
 * 04:42:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Now you know.
 * 04:42:51: Scorching Emblem: Found this
 * 04:43:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Now CHIM has to affect the past as well, or ESO fucked itself.
 * 04:43:40: Ikabite: Next DLC is going to have the Golden Coast.
 * 04:43:54: Ikabite: Kvatch and shit.
 * 04:43:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Fuck ESO. I saw what they did to clockwork city and never played again.
 * 04:44:09: YulFusKrad: what they do
 * 04:44:10: Ikabite: VVhich clockvvork city?
 * 04:44:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Sotha Sil's clockwork city.
 * 04:44:22: ShawnCognitionCP: They made it a literal city.
 * 04:44:29: ShawnCognitionCP: External and kempt.
 * 04:44:37: Ikabite: I remember you bitching about it before Thieves Guild.
 * 04:44:40: ShawnCognitionCP: It's supposed to be a collection of underground spheroids.
 * 04:44:50: Scorching Emblem: Dude
 * 04:44:53: ShawnCognitionCP: It's not a literal city.
 * 04:44:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Never was.
 * 04:45:07: Scorching Emblem: I don't think Bethesda knows what they're doing when it comes to Lore and such
 * 04:45:09: ShawnCognitionCP: It's personal domain with the ability to construct bionic life.
 * 04:45:12: Ikabite: Lol.
 * 04:45:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Not Bethesda.
 * 04:45:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Zenimax.
 * 04:45:22: ShawnCognitionCP: Zenimax is making ESO without Bethesda.
 * 04:45:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, I still believe that.
 * 04:45:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Seeing how much Oblivion and Skyrim fuck lore that existed beforehand.
 * 04:45:44: Ikabite: Anyvvay, vvhere did you see the Sotha Sil's city?
 * 04:45:50: Scorching Emblem: I saw two characters in Riften in Skyrim with almost the same backstory
 * 04:45:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Screenshot that they released.
 * 04:46:00: ShawnCognitionCP: I posted it in main months back.
 * 04:46:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Had a rant about it.
 * 04:46:12: Ikabite: It's not in game yet.
 * 04:46:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Ika, Tiber Septim was a tyrannical, rancid cunt ,yeah?
 * 04:46:32: Ikabite: Don't think they've announced anything yet either.
 * 04:46:44: ShawnCognitionCP: If clockwork city isn't an actual city, maybe I'll play again.
 * 04:46:45: Ikabite: VVe just had a conversation about it, no?
 * 04:46:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Maybe.
 * 04:46:47: Ikabite: Yes.
 * 04:46:49: YulFusKrad: im angry my dog is gone
 * 04:46:52: ShawnCognitionCP: We did, but Scorch didn't see it.
 * 04:46:59: Scorching Emblem: I did see it
 * 04:46:59: YulFusKrad: my kids gave me dialogue to keep him
 * 04:47:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Scorch believes Tiber was an honorable hero.
 * 04:47:30: ShawnCognitionCP: My favorite part of TES lore is Vivic biting knowledge out of Molag Bal's cock and then killing his children with his own phallus.
 * 04:47:36: ShawnCognitionCP: I love how that's actual lore.
 * 04:47:46: ShawnCognitionCP: He bit his dick and killed their kids with his own.
 * 04:47:59: Scorching Emblem: Bethesda just pretends everything before Morrowind never happened
 * 04:48:03: ShawnCognitionCP: >molag rapes vivec
 * 04:48:03: Scorching Emblem: I'm gonna do that too
 * 04:48:18: ShawnCognitionCP: This was Morrowind and post-Morrowind, Scorch.
 * 04:48:19: Ikabite: It's Morrovvind lore, boy.
 * 04:48:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, they don't.
 * 04:48:27: ShawnCognitionCP: The stories of Arena and Daggerfall are fully canon.
 * 04:48:32: ShawnCognitionCP: The lesser stuff isn't.
 * 04:48:36: Scorching Emblem: That reminds me
 * 04:48:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Along with the lore around the gods.
 * 04:48:47: Ikabite: Arena and Daggerfall is retconned, at least vvhen it comes to creatures and shit.
 * 04:48:57: Scorching Emblem: Remember Reman Ebonarm? The Redguard God of War?
 * 04:48:58: ShawnCognitionCP: The main quests are still canon, Ika.
 * 04:49:08: Scorching Emblem: He was mentioned ONCE, in Daggerfall, never again
 * 04:49:11: Ikabite: Not so much for Battlespire or Redguard.
 * 04:49:14: ShawnCognitionCP: He's still canon.
 * 04:49:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Ebonarm is frequently mentioned in MK's texts.
 * 04:49:33: Scorching Emblem: MK?
 * 04:49:43: ShawnCognitionCP: He is a rival of every Daedric Prince, except Sheogorath.
 * 04:49:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Michael Kirkbride.
 * 04:50:00: Ikabite: One of the biggest contributors of TES lore.
 * 04:50:03: ShawnCognitionCP: He wrote the plot of Morrowind, the Knights of the Nine, and most in-game books.
 * 04:50:05: Scorching Emblem: Also
 * 04:50:36: Scorching Emblem: The Lore really doesn't matter much as long as the games are fun :P
 * 04:50:42: ShawnCognitionCP: The best part of Daggerfall was Sheogorath talking shit on Talos.
 * 04:50:51: Scorching Emblem: Lore just complicates things and divides the fans
 * 04:50:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Lore is everything story-wise.
 * 04:51:06: YulFusKrad: sheogorath is also most powerful daedra
 * 04:51:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Alduin, the Thalmor, the Dragonborn, all lore.
 * 04:51:15: ShawnCognitionCP: No, Yul.
 * 04:51:19: YulFusKrad: oh?
 * 04:51:21: Ikabite: There are people vvho don't give a shit, and I can't blame them.
 * 04:51:23: ShawnCognitionCP: If he had full control of his abilities, fuck yeah he would be.
 * 04:51:27: ShawnCognitionCP: He doesn't though.
 * 04:51:33: ShawnCognitionCP: His insanity stops him from taking that title.
 * 04:51:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Mehrunes Dagon was created specifically to destroy as much of Nirn as possible in Flight One: The Eating Birth of Dagon.
 * 04:52:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Either Mehrunes Dagon or H.Mora would be the strongest.
 * 04:52:18: Scorching Emblem: I'm pretty sure Jyggalag is the most powerful, and he technically IS Sheogorath
 * 04:52:40: YulFusKrad: in one of sheo books i read he may be part of him
 * 04:52:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Jyggalag had many of them in fear- but not H.Mora, Mehrunes, or Molag Bal.
 * 04:52:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Molag Bal knows the secret of CHIM.
 * 04:53:00: Ikabite: He can't CHIM himself, though.
 * 04:53:02: YulFusKrad: molag could be more stronger
 * 04:53:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Nope.
 * 04:53:12: ShawnCognitionCP: If he could, it'd be done for.
 * 04:53:24: YulFusKrad: wait whats CHIM
 * 04:53:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Realizing the universe is a dream, but keeping your individuality.
 * 04:53:39: Ikabite: Jygg sort of gained povver thought follovvers, but vve don't hear much of his vvorship at any times of the history, really.
 * 04:53:54: ShawnCognitionCP: You have to be completely self-centered, egotistical, and power hungry to even live.
 * 04:54:00: ShawnCognitionCP: If you fail, you zero sum.
 * 04:54:07: ShawnCognitionCP: You're erased from ever existing.
 * 04:54:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Only two people have ever succeeded in CHIM.
 * 04:54:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec/Vehk, and Tiber Septim.
 * 04:54:54: ShawnCognitionCP: It's essentially realizing everything and everyone is one thing within a dream, but still being able to say "I".
 * 04:55:13: ShawnCognitionCP: If you do that, you go back to the start of Nirn and can change anything you want, and can elevate yourself to godhood.
 * 04:55:17: Ikabite: I AM I AND I ARE VVE ALL.
 * 04:55:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Tiber Septim removed the thick jungle of Cyrodiil, instead making it more of a plain.
 * 04:55:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec acquired mass knowledge of all.
 * 04:56:06: Draeon143: "I am he as you are he as you are me
 * 04:56:15: Scorching Emblem: But yeah
 * 04:56:19: Draeon143: CHIM is basically the epitome of "I am the Walrus" by The Beatles
 * 04:56:32: Scorching Emblem: Fun fact
 * 04:56:39: YulFusKrad: gathering ingriedient
 * 04:56:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Except with less wife beating and more rape, Draeon.
 * 04:56:41: Scorching Emblem: I am the Walrus used to be called I am the Egg Man
 * 04:56:48: YulFusKrad: abacean and cyrodilic
 * 04:56:59: ShawnCognitionCP: So far two out of two people that achieved CHIM were rapists.
 * 04:57:07: ShawnCognitionCP: I will not accept that as coincidence.
 * 04:57:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Rape to become a god.
 * 04:57:19: Ikabite: That's right kids, rape and you'll succeed.
 * 04:57:20: Draeon143: Works for Molag Bal (Sort of)
 * 04:57:24: YulFusKrad: molag does that in the daughters of coldharbour
 * 04:57:36: ShawnCognitionCP: I think Muslim immigrants play too much TES before going to Germany.
 * 04:57:45: YulFusKrad: aparently i never knew that until it clicked when eserana said degrading
 * 04:57:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Molag Bal also raped Vivec.
 * 04:57:53: Scorching Emblem: But yeah
 * 04:57:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Whom raped him back.
 * 04:57:57: Draeon143: Molag rapes everything
 * 04:57:58: Draeon143: Like
 * 04:57:59: Draeon143: Everything
 * 04:58:01: Scorching Emblem: I have a mod for Oblivion that adds marriage
 * 04:58:02: Draeon143: If it moves he rapes it
 * 04:58:03: ShawnCognitionCP: And then they raped each other and had countless children.
 * 04:58:08: Draeon143: If it doesn't move he rapes it
 * 04:58:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec then bit his dick.
 * 04:58:14: Draeon143: If it used to move
 * 04:58:16: Draeon143: He raped it
 * 04:58:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Which made his dick into a lethal weapon.
 * 04:58:23: ShawnCognitionCP: And he killed those children with his dick.
 * 04:58:27: ShawnCognitionCP: This is actual TES lore.
 * 04:58:30: ShawnCognitionCP: This is all fucking canon.
 * 04:58:55: ShawnCognitionCP: You can find all of this in the Sermons.
 * 04:59:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Molag Bal also revealed the secrets of CHIM to Vivec.
 * 04:59:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Knowledge that even H.Mora seems to only know clues about.
 * 04:59:51: Ikabite: Vivec lay vvith Molag Bal for... I remember the beginning in my head.
 * 05:00:19: YulFusKrad: shawn how does molag create vampires if hes huge as fuck
 * 05:00:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec later transforms himself into a woman and marries a reincarnation of his ancient best friend and old commander that he betrayed and killed to achieve godhood, and then fucks him.
 * 05:00:47: Draeon143: Oooh oooh me
 * 05:00:48: Draeon143: I got this one
 * 05:00:50: Draeon143: Basically
 * 05:01:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec is pretty much a bad fanfic turned canon.
 * 05:01:06: ShawnCognitionCP: He can change size, Yul.
 * 05:01:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Princes can alter their form.
 * 05:01:14: YulFusKrad: wow
 * 05:01:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Also
 * 05:01:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Note
 * 05:01:17: Draeon143: Molag Bal is so disease ridden that his semen creates different versions of vampirism.
 * 05:01:20: YulFusKrad: thats interesting
 * 05:01:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Most daughters actually die from the ordeal
 * 05:01:31: YulFusKrad: how
 * 05:01:33: Ikabite: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_14
 * 05:01:36: ShawnCognitionCP: They typically die from the rape.
 * 05:01:37: YulFusKrad: explain
 * 05:01:37: Draeon143: Molag has fucked so many things that he has developed the ultimate STD
 * 05:01:42: Draeon143: Vampirism
 * 05:01:45: YulFusKrad: is he potent
 * 05:02:02: YulFusKrad: wow
 * 05:02:06: Draeon143: He just fucks until they either die or become immortal lol
 * 05:02:21: YulFusKrad: ill still be a vampire
 * 05:02:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Keep in mind almost all TES lore is based off of real life religions.
 * 05:02:32: YulFusKrad: wait
 * 05:02:33: Draeon143: He's literally the god of ultimate way-over-the-line forget-your-safe-word-I'm-Molag-Bal BDSM
 * 05:02:38: YulFusKrad: wat religion allows rape
 * 05:02:44: Draeon143: Islam
 * 05:02:51: Draeon143: And actually
 * 05:02:55: ShawnCognitionCP: "Vivec lay with Molag Bal for eighty days and eight, though headless"
 * 05:03:03: ShawnCognitionCP: >eighty day sex session
 * 05:03:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Gods often rape in mythology, Yul.
 * 05:03:16: YulFusKrad: oh
 * 05:03:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Happens a lot in Greek faith.
 * 05:03:22: YulFusKrad: oh right
 * 05:03:25: YulFusKrad: zeus
 * 05:03:30: Draeon143: That too
 * 05:03:33: Ikabite: I'm Zeus motherfucked, maybe you've heard of me.
 * 05:03:39: Draeon143: But in the old testament of the bible
 * 05:03:46: YulFusKrad: god did to mary
 * 05:03:53: Ikabite: motherfucker*
 * 05:03:58: ShawnCognitionCP: "They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of Rape's so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret."
 * 05:04:03: ShawnCognitionCP: >compared dicks
 * 05:04:04: Draeon143: It was legal for tribes of israel to kidnap women from the other tribes of israel and rape them and claim them as wives to continue their tribe
 * 05:04:06: ShawnCognitionCP: >Vivec bit his dick
 * 05:04:09: ShawnCognitionCP: >stated a taboo fetish
 * 05:04:47: ShawnCognitionCP: "The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:

Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'" We're talking about nerd shit
 * 05:04:47: Draeon143: But shawn
 * 05:04:50: Draeon143: The real question is
 * 05:04:54: ShawnCognitionCP: >all started biting each other's dicks
 * 05:05:08: Draeon143: What was the fetish? A fetish for biting dicks? Or a fetish for having your dick gradually bitten away into nothing?
 * 05:05:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Biting dicks.
 * 05:05:44: Draeon143: Succubi just got really scary :(
 * 05:05:44: Ikabite: This is hovv homosexuality started.
 * 05:05:45: Ikabite: The end.
 * 05:05:48: Draeon143: LOL
 * 05:05:54: ShawnCognitionCP: "But Vivec made of his spear a more terrible thing, from a secret he had bitten off from the King of Rape. And so he sent Molag Bal tumbling into the crack of the biters and swore forever that he would not deem the King beautiful ever again."
 * 05:06:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec made his dick into a spear with a secret he bit from Molag's cock and then dumped him.
 * 05:06:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Vivec is a hermaphrodite.
 * 05:06:32: Ikabite: Succubi have alvvays been scary.
 * 05:06:40: Draeon143: Suddenly the Rammstein song Zwitter is stuck in my head...
 * 05:06:40: Ikabite: It's a personification of sleep paralysis.
 * 05:06:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Except in the witcher.
 * 05:06:49: Ikabite: That somehovv turned into sexy demon ladies.
 * 05:06:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Succibi in the witcher are literally just chicks with goat legs and horns.
 * 05:07:10: Draeon143: Same for World of Warcraft
 * 05:07:21: Draeon143: /Warcraft in general
 * 05:07:27: Ikabite: VVell, Shavvn.
 * 05:07:34: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjJpp1QPCo
 * 05:07:36: KINMUNE: Gonorrhea Pussy - Incestcontest
 * 05:07:42: Ikabite: They're pretty monsters that manipulate you and charm you nonetheless.
 * 05:08:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Every Succibus you meet in 3 is just a nymphomaniac. Geralt calls them completely harmless and that they are actually less dangerous than a normal woman.
 * 05:08:17: ShawnCognitionCP: You can chose not to kill any.
 * 05:08:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Has anyone here ever looked into the Warhammer universe?
 * 05:08:48: Ikabite: I knovv a bit.
 * 05:08:59: Draeon143: I know that I always need more dakka dakka
 * 05:09:00: Ikabite: You mean VVH or VVH40k?
 * 05:09:01: Draeon143: No matter what
 * 05:09:02: ShawnCognitionCP: I'm thinking of buying the classic Warhammer tabletop RPG.
 * 05:09:07: ShawnCognitionCP: I have no fucking clue.
 * 05:09:12: ShawnCognitionCP: I have no clue about Warhammer at all.
 * 05:09:13: Draeon143: Warhammer is ok
 * 05:09:17: Draeon143: I still prefer DND
 * 05:09:27: ShawnCognitionCP: I have no idea where you start in this universe.
 * 05:09:29: ShawnCognitionCP: A novel?
 * 05:09:29: ShawnCognitionCP: The game?
 * 05:09:32: Ikabite: I haven't played VVarhammer, but I heard the nevv reboot - Age of Sigmar is shit.
 * 05:09:42: ShawnCognitionCP: I spent so much money on D&D, Draeon.
 * 05:09:42: Draeon143: Start with the books
 * 05:09:47: Draeon143: If you don't like the books
 * 05:09:51: Draeon143: You won't like the rpg
 * 05:10:02: Ikabite: If you vvant badass, but stagnant lore go into VVH40k.
 * 05:10:07: ShawnCognitionCP: I have a small collection of Tabletop RPGS.
 * 05:10:17: Draeon143: wh40k Is decent
 * 05:10:18: ShawnCognitionCP: What's the separation between Warhammer and Warhammer 40k?
 * 05:10:23: Draeon143: 40k has tech
 * 05:10:48: Draeon143: It's science fantasy
 * 05:10:59: Draeon143: To put it bluntly
 * 05:11:42: ShawnCognitionCP: My Tabletop RPG collection right now.
 * 05:11:57: Draeon143: That's pretty good
 * 05:12:04: ShawnCognitionCP: I saw there was a Witcher tabletop RPG
 * 05:12:04: ShawnCognitionCP: But
 * 05:12:06: Draeon143: We've got D&D 3.5 and 5e here
 * 05:12:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Only in Polish
 * 05:12:20: ShawnCognitionCP: 3.5 is what I play, when I get a chance.
 * 05:12:27: ShawnCognitionCP: With Panthfinder.
 * 05:12:36: KINMUNE: Hello there, ~*LilithRayn*~!
 * 05:12:39: Draeon143: Mostly the same here
 * 05:12:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Lilith
 * 05:12:57: Draeon143: Talk nerdy to me shawn
 * 05:12:59: ~*LilithRayn*~: Yay!
 * 05:13:11: ShawnCognitionCP: If The Witcher's Tabletop RPG was English, I'd buy it.
 * 05:13:18: ~*LilithRayn*~: I will sit here and try to not look like an idiot.
 * 05:13:21: Draeon143: Mmmm, give me more baby
 * 05:13:22: Draeon143: Lol
 * 05:13:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Call of Cthulu 1e, that is.
 * 05:13:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Shit goes for like 50$ minimum.
 * 05:13:47: Draeon143: Oh god yes lovecraftian shit
 * 05:13:47: Ikabite: Dude.
 * 05:13:54: Ikabite: Did you look at the list I gave you?
 * 05:13:57: ~*LilithRayn*~: Ika!
 * 05:13:57: Draeon143: It's like you know what I need to hear
 * 05:14:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, Ika. It's up now.
 * 05:14:03: Ikabite: Hey, Lil.
 * 05:14:07: ~*LilithRayn*~: ^_^
 * 05:14:16: ShawnCognitionCP: I actually write a horror series which is Lovecraftian in nature, Draeon.
 * 05:14:25: ShawnCognitionCP: http://www.amazon.com/Premium-Original-Dungeons-Dragons-Roleplaying/dp/0786964650
 * 05:14:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Fucking prized possession.
 * 05:14:32: Draeon143: Oh, you lost me. Horror stuff
 * 05:14:37: Draeon143: Respect for writing it
 * 05:14:40: Draeon143: But not my flavour
 * 05:14:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Lovecraft as a whole is horror.
 * 05:14:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Cthulu stems from a horror novel.
 * 05:14:56: Draeon143: Yes, but, of a different nature than typical horror
 * 05:14:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes.
 * 05:15:03: ShawnCognitionCP: It's called Lovecraftian Horror.
 * 05:15:08: Draeon143: Well, it is NOW
 * 05:15:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Also known as Cosmic Horror.
 * 05:15:24: Draeon143: Mmmm, alright you got me again
 * 05:15:28: Draeon143: Cosmic shit, mmmmm
 * 05:15:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Ika.
 * 05:15:49: ShawnCognitionCP: This fucking list probably costs the same as a car.
 * 05:15:57: Ikabite: :D
 * 05:16:08: Ikabite: You asked for books.
 * 05:16:30: Ikabite: I haven't read them, so I vvouldn't be able to point out the essentials.
 * 05:17:06: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C9dd5HblDk
 * 05:17:08: KINMUNE: Hymen Holocaust - Squirt Till It Hurts
 * 05:17:25: ShawnCognitionCP: The idea of the new Hymen Holocaust album has me hype as fuck.
 * 05:17:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Ika, what's that one tabletop you recommended to me?
 * 05:17:31: Ikabite: Anyvvay, you really don't knovv anything about VVH40k?
 * 05:17:34: ShawnCognitionCP: About a spaceship?
 * 05:17:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Nope
 * 05:17:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Never once looked into anything to do with the universe.
 * 05:17:46: ShawnCognitionCP: There was no starting point.
 * 05:17:53: ShawnCognitionCP: No area I could begin and work my way from.
 * 05:18:00: Ikabite: I haven't played much tabletop, I've done it once, so... no suggestions from me.
 * 05:18:14: ShawnCognitionCP: It all just kind of exists in a pile, thus I never so much as read a paragraph of lore.
 * 05:18:19: ShawnCognitionCP: It was something about a spaceship.
 * 05:18:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Repairing it.
 * 05:18:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Having to have a functional crew.
 * 05:18:40: ShawnCognitionCP: The ship was apparently a piece of shit and requires constant maintenance.
 * 05:19:02: YulFusKrad: shawn i finally got an equal amount of abacean and cyrodilic
 * 05:19:04: Ikabite: Not sure how spaceships work in WH40k, I don't know how does it work mechanically. I have some mates who have played it.
 * 05:19:09: Ikabite: But I haven't seen it.
 * 05:19:18: Draeon143: Shawn
 * 05:19:26: Draeon143: Both Eisenhorn and The Horus Heresy books are aimed at introducing you to WH40K in some way. <--- Found this on the internet
 * 05:19:42: Draeon143: Potentially useful for you
 * 05:19:44: ShawnCognitionCP: It wasn't Warhammer.
 * 05:19:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Might have been a computer game that functioned like a strategy game.
 * 05:20:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Isometric, I believe.
 * 05:20:31: Ikabite: Lorewise - there's humans, orkz, tau, necrons, eldar... tyranids.
 * 05:20:35: Draeon143: More from the internet:
 * 05:20:48: Draeon143: Eisenhorn

This is a three book omnibus detailing different aspects of the Imperial Inquisition, who are like the 'Space Police' of the setting, and it really gives a flavour of the Grim Dark setting as whole. It covers all three orders of the inquisition (Xenos, Malleus, and Hereticus) as well as a few aliens (including Eldar), psychic powers, corruption and Space Marines.
 * 05:20:54: Ikabite: You mean FTL, Shawn?
 * 05:21:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Perhaps.
 * 05:21:04: Draeon143: The Horus Heresy

This series starts of with Horus Rising, and aims to lay down some of the assumed backstory behind the current Warhammer 40K universe. In essence these should be the first books you read, as they take place in the 31st millennium, 10 thousand years before the current storyline. So far I've only read the first book, but it explains things very well.

The only reason I'd be wary of trying to read all of the Horus Heresy is that it's currently on 18 24 books, unfinished and is being written by several authors so writing styles will vary. It also deals with the big picture of the WH40K background focusing on Space Marines, and doesn't give the same personal feel as Eisenhorn. It does however cover some aliens and corruption. It gets across the grand scale of the WH40K setting very well. >evil
 * 05:21:11: ShawnCognitionCP: I don't recall much about the game.
 * 05:22:04: Draeon143: Huh, guess we can't strike in chat.
 * 05:22:09: Ikabite: I'm going to try and shorten all WH40k shit in a few sentences.
 * 05:22:12: Draeon143: 24 books for that heresy series apparently
 * 05:22:17: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCfJEnGlYPU
 * 05:22:18: KINMUNE: Plasma - Ovulation Overlord
 * 05:22:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Extremely NSFW.
 * 05:23:05: ShawnCognitionCP: So far, Myfarog has my favorite game world.
 * 05:23:18: ShawnCognitionCP: And it's not just because Varg Vikernes made it and I'm a massive Burzum fan.
 * 05:23:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Not that Burzum isn't the best black metal band to ever exist, that is.
 * 05:23:48: ShawnCognitionCP: BFRP 3.5 lets you have your own fucking castle very early.
 * 05:24:36: ShawnCognitionCP: "Orkz"
 * 05:24:42: Ikabite: Orkz are a bioweapon gone astray, they reproduce from spores. Hence, there's always never ending swarm of them.
 * 05:25:01: Ikabite: Most are dumb as a rock.
 * 05:25:08: Ikabite: But they have strength in numbers.
 * 05:25:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Obviously Gobloids/Orcs, yes?
 * 05:25:20: Ikabite: Mhm.
 * 05:25:50: Ikabite: Necrons are the undead. Civ from milennia past that has began to awoken.
 * 05:26:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Ika, watch this.
 * 05:26:51: ShawnCognitionCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0k6Wnoh9Q
 * 05:26:52: Ikabite: Tyranids are... well, Zerg basically. Starcraft used to be a WH40k franchise, but got the rights taken away.
 * 05:26:59: ShawnCognitionCP: It shows Geralt being infected
 * 05:27:08: Ikabite: They are made to attack, die, evolve, attack.
 * 05:27:19: Ikabite: Came from somewhere out of the galaxy.
 * 05:27:33: Ikabite: Eldar are space elves.
 * 05:27:43: Ikabite: There's the commie Tau, too, but they're minor.
 * 05:28:27: Ikabite: And Chaos is, as I told you, corrupted humins, there's a few chaos gods each representing some form of sin.
 * 05:28:29: Ikabite: Like Lust.
 * 05:28:32: Ikabite: Etc.
 * 05:29:17: Draeon143: Shawn can I prod your brain for lore stuff again for TES?
 * 05:29:22: ShawnCognitionCP: Ys.
 * 05:29:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes*
 * 05:29:30: ShawnCognitionCP: I like how the Tobit stories show the sins.
 * 05:29:53: ShawnCognitionCP: The character meant to represent lust receives sexual pleasure through bloodshed.
 * 05:30:01: Draeon143: I can't find any real lore or history on Herne or Cespar. Do you know any significant lore about them?
 * 05:30:11: ShawnCognitionCP: It only showed three characters based off of sins, though.
 * 05:30:15: ShawnCognitionCP: And even then, it's only loosely.
 * 05:30:57: Ikabite: Those dogs in the trailer.
 * 05:31:04: Ikabite: Reminded me of dog boss in Witcher 1.
 * 05:31:11: Ikabite: It was probably the hardest boss in game.
 * 05:31:13: Ikabite: Fuck.
 * 05:31:15: Ikabite: Triggered.
 * 05:32:37: Ikabite: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Gods
 * 05:32:45: Ikabite: There's 4 major and 1 minor gods.
 * 05:32:50: Ikabite: In WH40k.
 * 05:33:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 05:33:07: Ikabite: Khorne, The Blood God - God of War, Murder, Battle
 * 05:33:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Not much is known of off-Tamriel land.
 * 05:33:25: Ikabite: Tzeentch, The Changer of the Ways - God of Change, Sorcery, Fate and Hope
 * 05:33:27: ShawnCognitionCP: All we know of Cespar is that Tralan the Two-Blade came from there.
 * 05:33:45: Ikabite: Nurgle, The Plague Lord - God of Death, Disease and Decay
 * 05:33:55: Ikabite: Slaanesh, The Prince of Pleasure - God of Pleasure, Sensation and Desire
 * 05:34:06: Ikabite: Malal/Malice, The Renegade God - God of Anarchy, Vengeance and Nihilism°
 * 05:34:22: ShawnCognitionCP: As for Herne, this seems to be mostly correct.
 * 05:34:23: ShawnCognitionCP: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Herne_(place)
 * 05:34:33: ShawnCognitionCP: It does good at providing sources.
 * 05:34:44: Draeon143: Yokuda*^
 * 05:35:06: ShawnCognitionCP: >pleasure
 * 05:35:23: ShawnCognitionCP: I never got that about any fictional universe.
 * 05:35:40: Ikabite: It's a temptation, distraction.
 * 05:35:56: ShawnCognitionCP: True, but you'd think an evil god would be out to cause things other than pleasure.
 * 05:36:21: ShawnCognitionCP: I actually despise the "seven deadly sins", because not one of them is evil unless taken to an extreme, or overloaded.
 * 05:36:58: Ikabite: The Empire of Man is very Nazi.
 * 05:37:12: Ikabite: Everything non-human is to be destroyed.
 * 05:37:16: Ikabite: Even mutated humans.
 * 05:37:22: Ikabite: Aside from the army itself.
 * 05:37:33: Ikabite: Because lol Space Marines are all mutants.
 * 05:37:35: Draeon143: Fun fact
 * 05:37:53: Draeon143: The "Seven Deadly Sins" aren't listed or described as such in the bible. They were invented by the Catholic Church.
 * 05:38:14: Ikabite: Every smallest sign on heresy - worship of Chaos is destroyed.
 * 05:38:18: ShawnCognitionCP: They are mentioned directly in the New Testament.
 * 05:38:31: Draeon143: It can be surmised from the bible that those seven things are frowned upon most by the Judeo-Christian God, but otherwise
 * 05:38:33: Draeon143: Where?
 * 05:38:33: ShawnCognitionCP: You can find scriptures on lust and wrath pretty frequently.
 * 05:38:50: Draeon143: Well, yes, but those things are also mentioned ABUNDANTLY in the old testament
 * 05:38:52: Draeon143: Namely wrath
 * 05:38:55: Draeon143: As in God's wrath
 * 05:39:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Old Testament is a piece of shit.
 * 05:39:53: Draeon143: Six to one half a dozen to the other
 * 05:40:00: Draeon143: They're all complete shit, and I'm a Christian.
 * 05:40:16: ShawnCognitionCP: I dislike Abrahamic Faith in general.
 * 05:40:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Despise the religions.
 * 05:40:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Don't extend that to all followers.
 * 05:40:35: ShawnCognitionCP: You can hate a bar and still like those that go to it.
 * 05:40:52: Draeon143: The bible is book meant to illustrate historical events and how they shaped a culture that couldn't listen to its own creator, and how you can prevent being like those assholes
 * 05:41:15: ShawnCognitionCP: See, I find that in itself to be disgusting.
 * 05:41:41: ShawnCognitionCP: If you create with the idea that it should follow your will, that's tyranny, egotism, and evil to the maximum.
 * 05:42:11: Draeon143: To each their own, but frankly in my belief of that God I see that it is in my best interest, and by extension the best interest of society, that I should conduct myself in a way that is flattering to the one who created me.
 * 05:42:41: ShawnCognitionCP: I can respect all of that except for "the best interest of society".
 * 05:42:49: ShawnCognitionCP: This single quote is something I disagree on with my very being.
 * 05:43:00: Draeon143: Now, you can cite a million examples of God demanding his people to follow specific commands
 * 05:43:40: Draeon143: "Don't worship fake gods"
 * 05:43:49: Draeon143: "HEY GUYS LET'S BUILD A GIANT GOLDEN COW AND BOW TO IT"
 * 05:43:54: Scorching Emblem: This is exactly why I'm agnostic
 * 05:43:56: ShawnCognitionCP: And I can tell you that not one of those examples has any historical evidence of ever happening. even within 6k years of human civilization.
 * 05:44:02: Draeon143: "...No.... No I just said that's not a thing you should do."
 * 05:44:04: ShawnCognitionCP: We're one step away from a debate.
 * 05:44:07: Draeon143: "WHAT DID WE DO WRONG" lol
 * 05:44:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Your choice if you want to cross into that.
 * 05:44:11: Scorching Emblem: There's no true way to prove that there is or isn't any gods
 * 05:44:24: ShawnCognitionCP: There is, but I'll save that for if a debate erupts, Scorching.
 * 05:44:24: Draeon143: Well, actually
 * 05:44:35: ~*LilithRayn*~: *missed parts of this conversation and has no idea what's going on..*
 * 05:44:38: Draeon143: There's a fair amount of evidence that the plagues of egypt happened
 * 05:44:46: Draeon143: Namely the locusts and the deaths of the firstborn
 * 05:44:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Not of which points to supernatural events.
 * 05:45:06: Draeon143: How can you except to have been there?
 * 05:45:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Locust swarms continue on a cycle, and that's part of natural behavior.
 * 05:45:14: ShawnCognitionCP: None*
 * 05:45:36: Draeon143: The big issue here is that no one can really say what did or did not trigger these events
 * 05:45:45: Draeon143: there are known historical events of animals falling from the sky
 * 05:45:53: Draeon143: Did God decide to plague a city with raining fish?
 * 05:46:09: Ikabite: >.>
 * 05:46:14: Draeon143: Who the fuck knows, we can't really adequately explain those ridiculous water spouts from lakes or oceans anyway
 * 05:46:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Don't you think it's odd this god wants us to listen to him directly and accept orders, but has never once in civilization's history delivered a real piece of evidence for his behavior, or spoke directly?
 * 05:46:23: ShawnCognitionCP: I can explain all of that.
 * 05:46:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Absolutely all of it.
 * 05:46:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, citation needed.
 * 05:46:51: ~*LilithRayn*~: Acid/ex?
 * 05:46:53: ShawnCognitionCP: You claim there is historical evidence. Provide a citation from a .gov source, or official orchestrated documentation.
 * 05:47:10: Draeon143: Alright lemme see if I can dig up the extremely inland raining of fish from the sky
 * 05:47:23: Ikabite: Not that I get into these debates anymore, but it seems like you're trying to mystify and make up events, Draeon and then use the God of the Gaps.
 * 05:47:35: Draeon143: It's happened, I've read about it lol
 * 05:47:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Locusts swarm on an internal clock of about eleven years. In these swarms, they are just becoming active as adults, and feast of crops or even the dead is completely natural to this day.
 * 05:47:57: ShawnCognitionCP: They swarm to areas of low humidity yet very high food count.
 * 05:48:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Ancient Egyptian cities-where locusts are naturally living around already, are perfect.
 * 05:48:42: Ikabite: I should get some pants on.
 * 05:49:04: Scorching Emblem: Lol
 * 05:49:04: ShawnCognitionCP: As for deaths of firstborn, the infant mortality rate in ancient Egypt was shockingly high, almost half of the birth rate, should my memory serve me, during the reign of "chosen kings".
 * 05:49:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Humans have a tendency to explain things that require no explaination.
 * 05:49:27: ShawnCognitionCP: explanation*
 * 05:49:29: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 05:49:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Or, we offer wrong explanation.
 * 05:49:49: ShawnCognitionCP: Notice every major spearhead of a pantheon- including Jahovah, is a sun deity or based on the sun.
 * 05:50:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Only exception being Sumerian faith.
 * 05:50:19: ShawnCognitionCP: In Sumar, men thought they were literal slaves to the gods.
 * 05:50:34: Draeon143: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/strange-rain-why-fish-frogs-and-golf-balls-fall-skies-180956527/?no-ist
 * 05:50:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Sumerian faith fully accepted the gods as neutral-to-evil, and worked for blessings, knowing that they would be punished if they didn't.
 * 05:50:47: Draeon143: Smithsonian article on weird precipitation is a good start
 * 05:50:52: Scorching Emblem: Oh my god
 * 05:51:02: Draeon143: You can follow it to all the various reports and photography of some of these events.
 * 05:51:13: Draeon143: Not citing it as fact, but it's regular enough to warrant attention.
 * 05:51:17: Scorching Emblem: I just found the perfect nickname for one's dick
 * 05:51:19: Draeon143: Let me see if I can find something more concrete
 * 05:51:28: Scorching Emblem: Vitamin D
 * 05:51:36: ShawnCognitionCP: "However, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game has reasonably speculated that the fishy onslaught is due to gulls losing hold of their live lamprey meals and dropping their still-wriggling bodies onto the ground."
 * 05:51:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Official response by the Fish and Game compitee.
 * 05:51:57: ShawnCognitionCP: committee*
 * 05:51:59: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 05:52:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Absolutely nothing in that article points to the supernatural.
 * 05:52:20: Draeon143: I'll buy that for some small events of hundreds of the animals, but not thousands
 * 05:52:22: Draeon143: I never said it did
 * 05:52:31: Draeon143: I was citing known phenomena
 * 05:52:47: Draeon143: The point that I was making however was that there can be any number of weird reasons for those sorts of things to happen
 * 05:52:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Seagull flocks in their largest can be upwards of 200 thousand.
 * 05:53:01: ShawnCognitionCP: It's a completely logical explaination.
 * 05:53:04: ShawnCognitionCP: explanation*
 * 05:53:05: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 05:53:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, if you recall the newscast, it wasn't all at once.
 * 05:53:25: ShawnCognitionCP: It was fish dropping after fish for a very long time.
 * 05:54:02: Draeon143: They're not natural, and if you look at it from the theological viewpoint- how would frogs have rained down all the way to inland egypt in the numbers claimed by the bible
 * 05:54:14: Draeon143: Fish, sure they swim in schools
 * 05:54:17: ShawnCognitionCP: They are natural.
 * 05:54:28: ShawnCognitionCP: As for that, that's where you fall into the faith fallacy.
 * 05:54:33: Draeon143: A massive culling of them is rather easy for such a flock of birds- also I had no idea seagulls flocked so largely
 * 05:54:40: ShawnCognitionCP: You can not take anything as fact, or as of happening ,until evidence shows it.
 * 05:54:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Never take anything as fact and then search for evidence.
 * 05:54:52: ShawnCognitionCP: It's absolutely idiotic to do.
 * 05:54:57: Draeon143: But to catch that many frogs would be very difficult
 * 05:55:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Evidence shows fact. It never happens in the other order.
 * 05:55:40: Draeon143: One sec
 * 05:55:47: ShawnCognitionCP: As someone claiming the existence of these events and beings, it's your job to show evidence. It is no one's job to disprove the unproven.
 * 05:56:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Otherwise, I could say the universe is a pallet of evermatter on a supersolid's surface, and tell you it's true unless you disprove it.
 * 05:57:16: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 05:59:36: Draeon143: Wep pages in foreign language are the bane of my gathering process
 * 06:00:01: ShawnCognitionCP: I doubt it's from a credible site in that case.
 * 06:00:44: Draeon143: Appears to be a foreign news page
 * 06:01:02: ShawnCognitionCP: News sites are almost never credible.
 * 06:01:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Credible sites are usually .gov, or host official, organized documentation which sources back to an official firsthand source.
 * 06:03:36: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 06:03:41: Draeon143: You're not going to find government websites reporting on that sort of thing. I don't expect much from the internet, but SOMEONE in the phillipines has got to have a camera lol
 * 06:03:57: Draeon143: No pictures for this article. Moving on to another option
 * 06:04:06: ShawnCognitionCP: A lot of videos are faked.
 * 06:04:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Most of them, in fact.
 * 06:04:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Government and official organizations with government backing will, and have, looked into the supernatural before.
 * 06:04:40: ShawnCognitionCP: It's always been negative.
 * 06:04:59: ShawnCognitionCP: I suppose that's all a cover-up by an evil luciferian leadership, yeah?
 * 06:05:17: Draeon143: Not at all, I actually don't think God acts in the world anymore.
 * 06:05:19: Draeon143: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5491846/Sky-rains-tadpoles-over-Japan.html
 * 06:05:33: Draeon143: Scientists in Japan don't think birds OR wind are to blame for that one
 * 06:05:35: ShawnCognitionCP: >telegraph.co.uk
 * 06:05:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Independent site where anyone approved can write an official article.
 * 06:06:25: Draeon143: The point that I was making before this search, however
 * 06:07:24: ShawnCognitionCP: "In the case of birds, storms may overcome a flock in flight, especially in times of migration. The image to the right shows an example wherein a group of bats is overtaken by a thunderstorm.[8] In the image, the bats are in the red zone, which corresponds to winds moving away from the radar station, and enter into a mesocyclone associated with a tornado (in green). These events may occur easily with birds, which can get killed in flight, or stunned and then fall (unlike flightless creatures, which first have to be lifted into the air by an outside force). Sometimes this happens in large groups, for instance, the blackbirds falling from the sky in Beebe, Arkansas, United States on December 31, 2010.[9] "
 * 06:07:49: ShawnCognitionCP: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Bat-supercell_encounter_NWS.png
 * 06:07:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Dopler image of the supercell responsible.
 * 06:08:22: Draeon143: Birds falling from the sky doesn't qualify as supernatural. They're birds, they spend a lot of time up there
 * 06:08:29: Draeon143: They're going to get caught by weather eventually lol
 * 06:09:11: Draeon143: To continue. The point was that from the theological standpoint, supernatural intervention can be used to explain any of those events and that is convenient. I don't believe that the events described in the bible were ever conjured up from nowhere or magically created from nothing.
 * 06:09:44: ShawnCognitionCP: As for myself, I believe in absolutely nothing illogical or supernatural.
 * 06:10:07: Draeon143: I do believe, however, that any being capable of creating man from dirt or separating land from sea would be reasonably capable of causing the weather conditions that deposit animals in strange places.
 * 06:10:10: ShawnCognitionCP: No ghosts, no soul, no afterlife, no dieties, and especially no creation as described in Genesis.
 * 06:10:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Creationism is retarded to the very core.
 * 06:10:26: ShawnCognitionCP: I will never agree with it on any level.
 * 06:10:34: Draeon143: Explain to me the origin of the universe as you believe it, then
 * 06:10:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Evolution, including human evolution, is proven fact you can see it within you now.
 * 06:10:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Simple.
 * 06:10:55: Draeon143: No no
 * 06:10:58: Draeon143: No false darwinism
 * 06:11:05: ShawnCognitionCP: >false darwinism
 * 06:11:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Humans evolved.
 * 06:11:08: Draeon143: I want to know how the energy that became the matter of this universe came to be
 * 06:11:26: ShawnCognitionCP: I was getting to that. Simply stating that human evolution is fact, first.
 * 06:11:58: ShawnCognitionCP: All the way back to Sahelanthropus, upwards to the Cro Magnon and Neanderthal breeding which has left DNA traces in your very DNA as it evolved.
 * 06:12:05: Draeon143: Biological evolution is undeniable, but is only applicable once life has come about. The unliving cannot evolve
 * 06:12:09: ShawnCognitionCP: All the way up to useless organs we've out-evolved.
 * 06:12:24: ShawnCognitionCP: I assign to the believe of the quantum singularity model of the universe.
 * 06:12:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Related to the big bang theory.
 * 06:12:39: Draeon143: The big bang theory has been discredited
 * 06:12:46: ShawnCognitionCP: That's hilarious.
 * 06:12:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Good joke.
 * 06:12:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Especially since 2015 alone birthed more evidence for it than the last 20 years.
 * 06:13:08: ShawnCognitionCP: Allow me to speak and then cite your concerns.
 * 06:13:18: ShawnCognitionCP: I will state when I'm finished.
 * 06:13:24: Draeon143: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html
 * 06:13:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 06:13:54: ShawnCognitionCP: Please don't source quantum mechanics it you don't understand it.
 * 06:14:04: ShawnCognitionCP: There are eight major models ofthe universe. That equation is part of one of them.
 * 06:14:07: ShawnCognitionCP: of the*
 * 06:14:08: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 06:14:34: Draeon143: I'm very well versed in Quantum mechanics, but your big bang model comes to the same problem as my theological one
 * 06:14:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, interestingly enough, that model is connected to what I'm >trying< to say.
 * 06:14:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Let. Me. Speak.
 * 06:14:55: Draeon143: Go on
 * 06:16:33: ShawnCognitionCP: When a universe becomes so stretched out via dark energy expansion (roughly 14.7 billion years from now this fate will happen to ours), energy has been so expanded, along with physical matter, that the last of the stars are so far apart that they can no longer be seen from each other. Every star dies out, and energy, through entropy of every physical particle, is the final state all matter becomes. A universe of energy. Now, in this situation, there is only one attractor other than dark matter. These are called Great Attractors, which you must be well versed in by now.
 * 06:17:03: ShawnCognitionCP: These attractors gather up so much energy through their spacetime curvature, that they eventually form blackhole-esque singularities, sucking energy into them.
 * 06:17:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Eventually, they attract each other.
 * 06:17:37: ShawnCognitionCP: When two or more collide, they simply absorb each other, due to black holes having three spacetime dimensions, and the universe having four.
 * 06:17:45: ShawnCognitionCP: They eventually merge into one singularity.
 * 06:17:50: ShawnCognitionCP: One that contains the universe itself.
 * 06:18:28: ShawnCognitionCP: This singularity eventually "bursts" do to a little thing all black holes and singularities do, titled energy bursts/discharge, or become a whitehole through mass compression.
 * 06:18:30: Scorching Emblem: Oh ffs
 * 06:18:33: ShawnCognitionCP: This burst is instant.
 * 06:18:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Big bang.
 * 06:18:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Repeat in an endless cycle.
 * 06:18:44: Scorching Emblem: Now we're on Quantum mechanics?
 * 06:19:07: Scorching Emblem: First Tiber Septim is a tyrant, to religion, and now Quantum mechanics?
 * 06:19:22: ShawnCognitionCP: Now, we have evidence.
 * 06:19:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Quantum mechanics is nothing like religion.
 * 06:19:43: Draeon143: We have observation and hypothesis, and some evidence of some things.
 * 06:19:50: Scorching Emblem: I never said it was anything like religion
 * 06:19:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Quantum mechanics breakthroughs (quantum physics) come from theoretical and particle physics mathematical breakthroughs.
 * 06:20:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Evidence comes BEFORE idea in quantum mechanics.
 * 06:20:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Absolutely every aspect of quantum physics has massive evidence.
 * 06:20:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Keep in mind a scientific theory is not a theory.
 * 06:20:48: Draeon143: The necessary parts to explain any big crunch are theoretical and hypothetical still.
 * 06:20:49: Scorching Emblem: Also hi Lilith
 * 06:20:53: YulFusKrad: raven
 * 06:21:06: YulFusKrad: join the quantum talk or be like me and stay out o it
 * 06:21:07: ShawnCognitionCP: It's something with enough evidence to be seen as true, but not widely accepted do to it either missing a bit, or not being widely accepted yet.
 * 06:21:10: Draeon143: Until prove of gravitons and dark matter and dark energy is concrete, it's as intangible and fantastic as a deity
 * 06:21:18: ShawnCognitionCP: >gravitons
 * 06:21:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon
 * 06:21:20: Draeon143: proof, rather
 * 06:21:24: ~*LilithRayn*~: Ruuruu, I do what I want!
 * 06:21:31: ShawnCognitionCP: The biggest breakthrough of our fucking live was spacetime curvature being proven.
 * 06:21:35: ~*LilithRayn*~: Emblem, how many wives do you have now? lol
 * 06:21:46: Scorching Emblem: Haven't played Skyrim in a while lol
 * 06:21:54: ~*LilithRayn*~: Ooh
 * 06:21:55: Scorching Emblem: I found a Marriage mod for Oblivion XD
 * 06:22:04: ~*LilithRayn*~: xd
 * 06:22:10: Draeon143: That only proved that gravity effects space-time
 * 06:22:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Energy=mass equivalence is now fully proven.
 * 06:22:21: Scorching Emblem: You can marry characters like Dar-Ma and Farwil XD
 * 06:22:22: ShawnCognitionCP: No, it didn't. You just didn't read it or understand it.
 * 06:22:25: ShawnCognitionCP: It proved what gravity is.
 * 06:22:27: YulFusKrad: god 12k spent
 * 06:22:27: ShawnCognitionCP: How it works.
 * 06:22:30: ~*LilithRayn*~: brb
 * 06:22:36: ShawnCognitionCP: More mass=more curvature of spacetime.
 * 06:22:42: ShawnCognitionCP: This curvature works like an indent.
 * 06:22:52: Draeon143: It proved like any energy that it fades over distance.
 * 06:22:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Gravitation is when things are caught in this indent.
 * 06:23:23: ShawnCognitionCP: We know how gravity works, and what it is, now.
 * 06:23:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Gravity is not energy.
 * 06:23:30: Draeon143: There will inevitably exist a space so vast that nothing can attract anything else, the big crunch is severely flawed
 * 06:23:39: ShawnCognitionCP: It's a curvature of spacetime.
 * 06:23:50: ShawnCognitionCP: Mass itself equates energy worth.
 * 06:23:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Not gravity.
 * 06:23:57: ShawnCognitionCP: That alone has several holes, Draeon.
 * 06:24:11: ShawnCognitionCP: 1. That would birth the perfect spot for great attractors to come in
 * 06:24:20: ShawnCognitionCP: 2. Big crunch happens well before that point
 * 06:24:34: ShawnCognitionCP: 3. Matter will assimilate back into raw energy in that state
 * 06:24:38: Draeon143: Big Crunch is the convergeance of everything, it's the finality
 * 06:24:42: ShawnCognitionCP: 3. Energy will expand as a wave
 * 06:24:53: ShawnCognitionCP: It isn't.
 * 06:24:57: Draeon143: The singularity that births the big bang
 * 06:25:04: Draeon143: It's all crunched back together
 * 06:25:04: ShawnCognitionCP: It's a theory of the end, where everything comes together.
 * 06:25:05: Scorching Emblem: Idfk what any of you guys are talking about :P
 * 06:25:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Which makes it not the end, but rather a piece of a cycle.
 * 06:25:19: Scorching Emblem: All I know about Science really is that there's 4 states of matter XD
 * 06:25:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Heat death is the theory of a complete end.
 * 06:25:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Four basic states Scorching.
 * 06:25:45: Scorching Emblem: Yeah
 * 06:25:48: Draeon143: Basic
 * 06:25:49: ShawnCognitionCP: You still have superliquids, supersolids, superacids, et cetera.
 * 06:25:52: Draeon143: As in there's more lol
 * 06:25:57: Draeon143: Non-newtonian fluids...
 * 06:26:02: Scorching Emblem: Solid, Liquid, Gas, and Plasma right?
 * 06:26:05: Draeon143: Quantum fluids
 * 06:26:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Non-newtonian fluids are often just liquids with strange characteristics, such as the ability to bundle and stop flow.
 * 06:26:47: Draeon143: Did you know Oxygen gets so hot in the sun that it becomes liquid metal? It defies the order of your transitions from one state to the other
 * 06:27:02: Draeon143: But moving back to the actual discussion
 * 06:27:23: Draeon143: In the cycle of expand and contract, the big crunch is not the end no you are correct
 * 06:27:37: Draeon143: What I mean to say is that it is the end of the whole great attractor phase
 * 06:27:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 06:27:57: ShawnCognitionCP: That goes against nothing.
 * 06:28:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Gas to Solid without a liquid middle phase is called Sublimation.
 * 06:28:10: Draeon143: Those don't matter once the big crunch is complete, because that's what caused the big crunch so great attractors do and don't happen after the big crunch
 * 06:28:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Deposition*
 * 06:28:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Sublimation is solid to gas.
 * 06:28:34: Draeon143: Traditionally the cycle is through increased energy:
 * 06:28:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Reversed it.
 * 06:28:37: Draeon143: Solid to liquid
 * 06:28:41: Draeon143: Liquid to gas
 * 06:28:45: Draeon143: Gas to plasma
 * 06:28:50: Draeon143: But with even more energy
 * 06:28:57: Draeon143: Plasma turns into a liquid
 * 06:28:57: ShawnCognitionCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition
 * 06:29:02: ~*LilithRayn*~: Back.
 * 06:29:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Plasma can only become a gas.
 * 06:29:10: Draeon143: (Sometimes)
 * 06:29:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Ever.
 * 06:29:11: ~*LilithRayn*~: And wishing I had finished school. lol
 * 06:29:13: YulFusKrad: raven
 * 06:29:18: YulFusKrad: im training destruction
 * 06:29:21: ~*LilithRayn*~: Ruuruu
 * 06:29:23: ~*LilithRayn*~: Oh neat!
 * 06:29:33: ~*LilithRayn*~: I never got to do that special ql
 * 06:29:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Gas directly to solid is deposition.
 * 06:30:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Deposition is extremely common.
 * 06:30:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Not against anything.
 * 06:30:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Water vapor becomes ice without becoming liquid water all the time.
 * 06:31:00: Draeon143: My astronomy class taught that the energy and pressure within the sun is so common that it causes the plasma that is the sun to condense under so much pressure that oxygen exists in a liquid metal state
 * 06:31:13: Draeon143: Which is not at all what I'm describing, not gas to solid
 * 06:31:19: Draeon143: Plasma to liquid, very quickly
 * 06:31:25: Draeon143: Under extreme duress
 * 06:31:26: ShawnCognitionCP: "Oxygen gets so hot in the sun that it becomes liquid metal? It defies the order of your transitions"
 * 06:31:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Condensation.
 * 06:31:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Gas becoming a liquid is the result of condensation.
 * 06:31:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Plasma can not exist as a liquid.
 * 06:32:01: Draeon143: You're missing where the sun is a ball of plasma
 * 06:32:09: YulFusKrad: isnt plasma like lava
 * 06:32:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Plasma is essentially just heat energy+electricity.
 * 06:32:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Lava is a liquid.
 * 06:32:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Fire flames are a plasma.
 * 06:32:24: YulFusKrad: wait lava is a liquid
 * 06:32:25: Draeon143: And also where it goes from being plasma to being liquid, very rapidly
 * 06:32:30: Draeon143: Nearly instantaneously
 * 06:32:51: ShawnCognitionCP: It does not.
 * 06:33:00: ShawnCognitionCP: When did you go to highschool for this astronomy class?
 * 06:33:12: Draeon143: AP astronomy, 2009
 * 06:33:34: YulFusKrad: i still amin highschool and never learned what lava is
 * 06:33:57: ShawnCognitionCP: That's shockingly bad for a 2009 class.
 * 06:34:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Huge mistake.
 * 06:34:27: Draeon143: The pressure in the sun, in any star its mass or relative to/greater than, is high enough that it can force pockets of oxygen plasma together so violently that it reforms and then condenses at a state so rapid it's time as a gas is negligable
 * 06:34:39: Draeon143: From plasma to liquid
 * 06:34:47: ShawnCognitionCP: It's never negligable.
 * 06:35:05: ShawnCognitionCP: You do realize the entire point of quantum mechanics is things too small to count, and time frames to small to examine, yes?
 * 06:35:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Plasma becomes gas, gas can become liquid. Plasma, under no circumstance, can become liquid without that middle step.
 * 06:35:30: Draeon143: This is astrophysics, not quantum mechanics.
 * 06:36:17: Draeon143: It can't have always existed, it had to have come from something.
 * 06:36:31: ShawnCognitionCP: The universe itself is multiple dimensions above the human mind. Comprehension of the idea of "existence existing in a void of nonexistence not existing" is so complex that-
 * 06:36:32: ShawnCognitionCP: Aha
 * 06:36:33: ShawnCognitionCP: There you go.
 * 06:36:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Didn't even have to say it.
 * 06:36:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Your mind is failing to comprehend something which is dimensions above it.
 * 06:36:51: Draeon143: Energy begets matter, accelerated matter begets energy. It's a causality loop of the highest order.
 * 06:37:28: Draeon143: Then I defy you to prove to me that there is not a creature of higher dimensions capable of dictating what is and is not possible, where laws of physics do and don't apply
 * 06:37:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Laws of physics always apply.
 * 06:37:46: ShawnCognitionCP: That's why they're laws.
 * 06:37:50: Draeon143: Except at the period of time right before the big bang is unleashed
 * 06:38:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Even in that state, the laws of physics apply.
 * 06:38:05: ShawnCognitionCP: That's why it even bursts.
 * 06:38:09: ShawnCognitionCP: Already explained that.
 * 06:38:12: Draeon143: When you can't go before 10^-43 because before 10^-43 the laws of physics break down
 * 06:38:19: Draeon143: As all physicists will say
 * 06:38:38: ShawnCognitionCP: As none say.
 * 06:38:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Stephen Hawking.
 * 06:38:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Maybe you heard of him.
 * 06:39:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Read his first paper, Black Holes and Baby Universes.
 * 06:39:05: Draeon143: ""The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," Ahmed Farag Ali at Benha University and the Zewail City of Science and Technology, both in Egypt, told Phys.org.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp" >before general relativity was proven And their begetters And their predecessors " "Disprove god" And "When you can't go before 10^-43 "
 * 06:39:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Theorizes that black holes in other universes birth others.
 * 06:39:28: Draeon143: Where'd the other universes come from
 * 06:39:30: Draeon143: And their begetters
 * 06:39:36: Draeon143: And their predecessors
 * 06:39:40: Draeon143: It's another causality loop
 * 06:39:44: ShawnCognitionCP: >second month of 2015
 * 06:39:51: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon, you're just not grasping mental dimensions.
 * 06:40:19: ShawnCognitionCP: You are asking a question that is paradoxical in an attempt to fabricate a point.
 * 06:40:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Very disparaged move.
 * 06:40:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Along with asking questions and then continuing before receiving answers.
 * 06:40:44: ShawnCognitionCP: You speak, I speak, you speak, I speak.
 * 06:40:54: ShawnCognitionCP: May I now speak?
 * 06:41:02: Draeon143: Go ahead
 * 06:41:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Which question?
 * 06:41:16: ShawnCognitionCP: You've laid out three.
 * 06:41:21: ShawnCognitionCP: I will not tackle all in one moment.
 * 06:41:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Select one.
 * 06:41:43: Draeon143: I assume you refer to "Where'd the other universes come from
 * 06:42:28: ShawnCognitionCP: "Where'd they come from"
 * 06:42:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Chose one.
 * 06:42:49: Draeon143: The first
 * 06:45:03: ShawnCognitionCP: The idea of existence existing to exist or not nonexist is a mental paradox which you are currently attempting to grasp, which births your confusion. It is multiple dimensions above the human mind, meaning all I can do is provide answers in manners we can even grasp. For this, I point to the paradox itself. The universe is a concept. A thing, but more of an idea. "Universe" is our name for existence. As long as anything existed, a universe existed. It's human comprehension vs things above it. I could use the same paradox for God, aka "where did his matter/concept/being/existence originate", and you'll find the most common answer is "he always existed" or "nothing was before him, and he just happened". The scientific approach is similar, but with equations and mechanics backing it up, as listed above.
 * 06:45:34: ShawnCognitionCP: If you want my opinion/views, I believe the cycle has simply always continued, and it's something we won't grasp until posthuman existence.
 * 06:45:41: ShawnCognitionCP: We can grasp it lightly, as stated.
 * 06:45:52: ShawnCognitionCP: The full answer lies beyond- and absolutely none of it relies on the supernatural.
 * 06:46:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Perhaps multiple universes exist at once in this existence- which is another mind-breaking idea laid upon us by the glory of modern physics.
 * 06:46:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Speak your mind on this, and then I'll move on to 10^-43.
 * 06:47:06: KINMUNE: Hello there, RenzXVI!
 * 06:47:12: ~*LilithRayn*~: Renz!!
 * 06:47:43: RenzXVI: Hi
 * 06:47:51: ~*LilithRayn*~: o. How are you?
 * 06:48:05: RenzXVI: Still horrible, flu.
 * 06:48:15: ~*LilithRayn*~: Aww still? I'm sorry.
 * 06:48:48: RenzXVI: :p
 * 06:49:05: ~*LilithRayn*~: How is everything else?
 * 06:50:20: RenzXVI: Well, I am to sick to play the new Terraria update.
 * 06:50:32: RenzXVI: I've just been watching Futurama.
 * 06:50:43: ~*LilithRayn*~: Well that sucks.
 * 06:50:45: RenzXVI: The last Game of Thrones had the saddest death.
 * 06:51:16: ~*LilithRayn*~: Aww really? I haven't watched that show
 * 06:51:34: RenzXVI: :p
 * 06:51:40: YulFusKrad: raven
 * 06:51:47: ~*LilithRayn*~: Ruuruu
 * 06:51:47: RenzXVI: Maybe you should, might be tricky though if you don't want kids to see it.
 * 06:51:57: YulFusKrad: does the damage of shock spells become the exp for destruction
 * 06:52:08: ShawnCognitionCP: The kids are going to see gore and breasts anyways.
 * 06:52:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Mature them early.
 * 06:52:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Better than long lasting immaturity.
 * 06:52:39: ~*LilithRayn*~: What do you mean, ruu?
 * 06:53:29: Draeon143: I do not claim that the deity I believe exists created himself, always existed, or just happened. His origin is just as questionable as my origin.
 * 06:53:42: ShawnCognitionCP: So, let's clarify here.
 * 06:53:50: ShawnCognitionCP: You're more of a Deist with Christian themes?
 * 06:53:50: Draeon143: If the environment was right for my species to evolve, the same must also be true of something that is capable of creating life
 * 06:54:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Believes in the story of christ, but not all that the holy texts say?
 * 06:54:25: Draeon143: That's a more or less accurate description
 * 06:54:28: RenzXVI: So it's not on Netflix?
 * 06:54:34: ~*LilithRayn*~: Nope.
 * 06:54:52: ShawnCognitionCP: That counterargument revolves around an attempted comparison between two unrelated beings, but it's more logical than "HE ALWAYS EXISTED"
 * 06:55:26: Draeon143: xD
 * 06:55:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Now, I can move on to 10^-43. This one will be very easy to answer.
 * 06:56:51: RenzXVI: The Flying Spaghetti Monster made God and then God exploded into the big bang so we never saw more of God.
 * 06:57:32: ~*LilithRayn*~: Soo..about that..
 * 06:57:57: Draeon143: Don't you dare blaspheme the Flying Spaghetti Monster
 * 06:57:58: ~*LilithRayn*~: The flying spaghetti monster, did it start with tht weird squid or did it start somewhere else?
 * 06:58:01: Draeon143: HE BOILED FOR YOUR SINS
 * 06:58:31: Draeon143: The squid is evidence of his presence in the design of creation
 * 06:58:37: RenzXVI: The FLying Spaghetti Monster shaped worlds after his meat balls.
 * 06:58:51: Draeon143: And Bombardier Beetles are his too
 * 06:58:57: Draeon143: They're the coolest
 * 06:59:23: Draeon143: (It's ironic because they eject boiling liquid gas that ignites under certain circumstances as a defense mechanism)
 * 06:59:27: Draeon143: They spit fire
 * 06:59:28: Draeon143: Literally
 * 06:59:31: Draeon143: Dragon bugs
 * 06:59:33: Draeon143: Real thing
 * 06:59:42: ShawnCognitionCP: 10^-43 is a Planck unit of time. The amount of time the Big Bang took to occur. In this instance of time, energy was released. The reason that this reaction happened with such speed relies on the fact that this singularity contained so much mass in such a hot dense space within what can be scarcely described as nothing. There was nothing to stop instant flow. No gravity of quantum effects except for the energy itself spilling out. As it spilled within that moment of a moment, the laws of physics came with them. The laws of physics always apply to where there is energy and matter- but where there isn't either, what is supposed to act as gravity? As an expansive or contracting force? The laws of physics existed- there was just nothing at all for them to interact. The laws of physics are guidelines and rules for the interactions of energy and matter. Until that arrives, you have, as you said, a scampy non-existence we can't comprehend.
 * 06:59:57: ~*LilithRayn*~: That whole thing pinged me...
 * 07:00:09: YulFusKrad: raven im fighting vampires with 100% absorb magic
 * 07:00:14: ~*LilithRayn*~: lol
 * 07:00:18: ~*LilithRayn*~: Awesome!
 * 07:01:16: ShawnCognitionCP: Quantum Cheshire cat allows one particle to act in full as if two are present.
 * 07:01:37: ShawnCognitionCP: You get a whole cake of "what the fuck", and you're forced to eat it- the point being that equations and observations prove them.
 * 07:01:39: YulFusKrad: raven if u wear full miraak set and atronach perk and atronach stone ur a truck
 * 07:01:57: ShawnCognitionCP: 10^−32.
 * 07:02:08: ShawnCognitionCP: The inflationary epoch.
 * 07:03:10: ShawnCognitionCP: This is where the energy had been released, and via the laws of physics now being able to interact, it expanded rapidly.
 * 07:03:28: ShawnCognitionCP: The laws of physics are ingrained rules in the universe that will always be, and always have been.
 * 07:03:45: ShawnCognitionCP: They just didn't have anything to interact with, and in nonexistence, there's nothing.
 * 07:04:04: KINMUNE: Hello there, Zerospaced!
 * 07:04:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Once that matter and energy came, it instantly followed those rules. This shows that those rules are the single code they assign to.
 * 07:04:14: ShawnCognitionCP: You can now voice corners.
 * 07:04:20: Zerospaced: HOLY SHIT i usualy never see this many people this early
 * 07:06:11: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 07:08:40: Draeon143: Equations and observations prove nothing until you witness the event in question firsthand, replicate it, and observe that the same events occur multiple times within reasonable expectation. This is the scientific method, and it is the way by which we actually undeniably prove everything. What we have now is observation of the limited corner of the universe within which we exist, and speculation through mathematics that seems to describe adequately the way things must be, and must have been. It was only a few centuries ago that the way things must be was a flat world where celestial objects moved around us, and the model of a heliocentric solar system was considered as outlandish as many people consider religion in the face of all this "Scientific evidence". In the present time we can only know what we presently see to be making sense. That is to say that tomorrow your entire argument could be proven invalid, so could mine. It is the nature of the universe that change is constant.
 * 07:08:45: Draeon143: I'm not done yet, however
 * 07:09:23: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 07:09:44: ShawnCognitionCP: All of the effects I listed were witnessed, replicated, observed, and recorded via scientific method.
 * 07:10:04: ShawnCognitionCP: In fact, a key component in quantum mechanics is that certain quantum mechanics won't function without an observer.
 * 07:10:30: ShawnCognitionCP: The heliocentric model had evidence, and the church refused it for a good while, before accepting and pushing it.
 * 07:10:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Science doesn't get things wrong.
 * 07:10:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Our understanding has been wrong, and we corrected it.
 * 07:11:05: ShawnCognitionCP: The laws of physics and physics itself are static in their methods, and we unravel that and prove it.
 * 07:11:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Science can not be wrong when properly met with evidence.
 * 07:11:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Denying scientific evidence because science that was thought to be true was later found not true (and correct: by scientists) is asinine.
 * 07:12:08: ShawnCognitionCP: You know why that bullet kills you?
 * 07:12:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Because it can be explained clearly.
 * 07:12:16: ShawnCognitionCP: With physics.
 * 07:13:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Change is constant, but it follows static rules.
 * 07:13:27: Draeon143: They were not, however, because we have not expanded our universe into a heat death, and watched it reform to know that it is the truth. We can presume what we want from it, our understanding will change. We can not know or claim any of that as fact unless we see the entirety of it, ourselves, and record it. Black holes, though mathematically possible, were thought not to exist because we had not seen them. Then we saw them. Now we know they are real, cosmic monsters that devour entire cosmic ecosystems without so much as a hiccup.
 * 07:13:39: ShawnCognitionCP: The difference between religion and science is that science corrects itself when wrong.
 * 07:13:59: ShawnCognitionCP: I am able to tear that apart, and will now do so.
 * 07:14:02: Draeon143: You can cite equations and theory all you'd like, but until it is observed it is not proven. That's why it is still called Theory.
 * 07:14:30: RenzXVI: Scientific Theory*
 * 07:14:57: Draeon143: I will use another example to further my point
 * 07:15:00: RenzXVI: A theory is different.
 * 07:15:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Heat death is a theory (scientific theory, not theory) shown by equations. Math is the language on the universe which can not be denied. It is a possible outcome with logical, proven reason to be possible. Observation, recreation, and recording of quantum mechanics is what leads to these equations, which are birthed from equations in their own. Black holes are not at all mathematically impossible. It was math that PREDICTED their existence decades before they were observed through effects.
 * 07:16:15: ShawnCognitionCP: That rebuttal was horribly mashed together and failed to provide a point, as it ran on simply ill informed and wrong information.
 * 07:16:39: ShawnCognitionCP: It was also a mathematical equation that predicted white holes.
 * 07:16:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Equations come before theory in quantum and theoretical physics.
 * 07:16:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Always. Never once the other way.
 * 07:17:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Evidence is always present.
 * 07:17:27: ShawnCognitionCP: A scientific theory has undeniable evidence which makes it accepted.
 * 07:17:31: ShawnCognitionCP: It's not a theory.
 * 07:17:35: ShawnCognitionCP: It's a scientific theory.
 * 07:17:58: ShawnCognitionCP: "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."
 * 07:18:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Definition #1.
 * 07:18:37: ShawnCognitionCP: That, again, is ill informed.
 * 07:18:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Half-lifes are predicted, the math is worked out, and it is tested on that element within several stages and ages.
 * 07:19:03: ShawnCognitionCP: We know half-lifes for certain.
 * 07:19:16: ShawnCognitionCP: We don't >have< to be around to know that.
 * 07:19:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Were you around to see your father conceive you?
 * 07:19:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Were you around to see the television be invented?
 * 07:19:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Were you around to see the first videogame be made?
 * 07:19:45: ShawnCognitionCP: No.
 * 07:19:50: ShawnCognitionCP: But, we know these things exist.
 * 07:19:52: ShawnCognitionCP: You know how?
 * 07:19:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Seeing them.
 * 07:19:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Interactive wit them.
 * 07:20:08: ShawnCognitionCP: Charting their existence and how they came to be with documentation.
 * 07:20:25: ShawnCognitionCP: I wasn't around to see your birth, but yet I know you're real.
 * 07:20:30: ShawnCognitionCP: I'm interacting with you.
 * 07:20:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Evidence points to you being alive.
 * 07:20:41: Draeon143: Technically, yes I was there to see my father conceive me. It was a very different point of view than you might be imagining, but all of me was there. Both halves. >_>
 * 07:20:50: ShawnCognitionCP: I wasn't around to see your life or your birth. I didn't exist yet.
 * 07:20:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Technically, you weren't.
 * 07:21:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Humans are not sentient until post-birth.
 * 07:21:10: Draeon143: Ah, are you certain!
 * 07:21:11: ShawnCognitionCP: You, as a being, are the sentient mind, not the sperm of ova you were made from.
 * 07:21:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes, I am certain on all accounts there.
 * 07:21:53: Draeon143: So is a baby born at 36 weeks sentient but not a baby at 33 weeks?
 * 07:22:03: Draeon143: At what point does this sentience appear if not the moment of birth?
 * 07:22:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Within 2-3 years.
 * 07:22:14: Draeon143: Is it self awareness? The fetus is very aware of its surroundings
 * 07:22:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Sentience quite literally means the ability to free think- which a fetus is not.
 * 07:22:38: Draeon143: It experiences fear and anxiety, it knows safety and danger as well as self identity
 * 07:22:41: ShawnCognitionCP: A fetus isn't even a human being until birth, by definition.
 * 07:22:51: ShawnCognitionCP: It doesn't. Misconception.
 * 07:23:06: Draeon143: That's a poor poor definition, it's reliant completely on timing.
 * 07:23:17: ShawnCognitionCP: A fetus is not able to think in any way. It does not have a brain capable of it for the most part, and when it does, it is not thining.
 * 07:23:19: Draeon143: Did this thing eat my post
 * 07:23:21: Draeon143: It did
 * 07:23:25: ShawnCognitionCP: All you see is reflexes and prebirth movements.
 * 07:23:45: ShawnCognitionCP: Sentience=Self-awareness. The ability to grasp the concept of "I"
 * 07:24:01: Draeon143: Moving away from an ultrasound and then back into a normal position and then back away from an ultrasound is not a reflex
 * 07:24:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Sapience=Intelligence. Thought and free will.
 * 07:24:10: ShawnCognitionCP: It is.
 * 07:24:11: Draeon143: It's a conscious effort to avoid the unknown
 * 07:24:21: ShawnCognitionCP: It can react to the movement and pressure on the womb.
 * 07:24:24: ShawnCognitionCP: No, it's not.
 * 07:24:41: Draeon143: Reaction and reflex are not one and the same
 * 07:24:42: ShawnCognitionCP: In six thousand years of human civilization, no evidence has been found of conscious feutses.
 * 07:24:47: Draeon143: We're moving off topic D
 * 07:24:49: Draeon143: xD
 * 07:24:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Let me point out something from Neurology's starting class.
 * 07:25:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Where sentience and sapience exist, memories can be formed and stored.
 * 07:25:20: ShawnCognitionCP: This is 7th grade information.
 * 07:25:51: Draeon143: My point before this side-bar was that no we were not there at the crucible of the big bang, we recorded nothing of what actually happened we have only observations of what has happened since, which can not necessarily speak to what exactly occurred.
 * 07:25:59: ShawnCognitionCP: Sapience comes right after birth. Sentience around ages 2-3.
 * 07:26:10: ShawnCognitionCP: It can.
 * 07:26:17: Draeon143: But it does not always
 * 07:26:28: Draeon143: The ability to do something and the absolutely of doing something are not the same
 * 07:26:44: ShawnCognitionCP: Radiation spread evenly throughout the entirety of the universe points directly to a singularity bursting being the origin, with no other possible explanation.
 * 07:26:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Again, I was not alive when you were born, either.
 * 07:27:01: Draeon143: I can go into a flooded town and see that it flooded, the effects are evident that water broke over whatever barriers were there and it was flooded
 * 07:27:06: Draeon143: You claim monsoon
 * 07:27:08: ShawnCognitionCP: Yet, with the clues I have, I can piece together (quite easily) that you were born.
 * 07:27:10: Draeon143: I claim tidal wave
 * 07:27:26: Draeon143: With NO OTHER INFORMATION except that it is flooded
 * 07:27:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 07:27:38: ShawnCognitionCP: You can easily check which it is.
 * 07:27:38: Draeon143: Neither of us can know exactly what happened.
 * 07:27:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Weather patterns.
 * 07:27:51: ShawnCognitionCP: You can put together, with evidence, what happened.
 * 07:28:00: ShawnCognitionCP: That's a false equivalency at its finest.
 * 07:28:04: Draeon143: No, no other information. No evidence prior to your being present in the here and now
 * 07:28:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Except that when it comes to physics, we have far more evidence and information than the premise.
 * 07:28:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Which makes that a false equivalency. Failed analogy.
 * 07:28:43: Draeon143: You are there now, it is flooded. No one saw the weather, no one saw wind or waves or storms.
 * 07:28:53: Draeon143: It's not a false equivalency. We are here now
 * 07:29:14: Draeon143: No one saw the great attractors, or the big bang
 * 07:29:20: ShawnCognitionCP: False equivalency. Completely asinine situation that doesn't take in the effect that when it comes to the big bang, we have immense levels of detailed information.
 * 07:29:22: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes we have.
 * 07:29:24: Draeon143: No one saw the coalescence of the first stellar nursery
 * 07:29:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Great attractors still exist.
 * 07:29:34: ShawnCognitionCP: We still record them to this day.
 * 07:29:40: ShawnCognitionCP: One is currently attracting the Milky Way.
 * 07:29:55: Draeon143: We see them -now-, did you see them -then-?
 * 07:30:19: ShawnCognitionCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Attractor
 * 07:30:21: Draeon143: What proof is there that atlantis was a real city sunken by a volcanic eruption except a myth?
 * 07:30:43: ShawnCognitionCP: You are really having trouble grasping this.
 * 07:30:49: ShawnCognitionCP: We have substantial evidence for it. Your analogy states we don't, thus makes the answer ambiguous.
 * 07:30:57: RenzXVI: How is Atlantis remotely related to anything?
 * 07:31:00: ShawnCognitionCP: You are taking key factors from the situation to form an analogy.
 * 07:31:06: ShawnCognitionCP: False equivalency.
 * 07:31:17: ShawnCognitionCP: It is not equal to the debate subject.
 * 07:31:32: Draeon143: I'm not, you're denying the validity of the point. You can have all manner of observations, but when it boils down to it there is still the undeniable fact that no one was there to witness it
 * 07:31:42: ShawnCognitionCP: It has no validity.
 * 07:31:42: Draeon143: It is entirely possible that different factors caused these things to come about
 * 07:31:52: ShawnCognitionCP: That doesn't matter in the slightest.
 * 07:31:59: Draeon143: It absolutely matters
 * 07:32:03: ShawnCognitionCP: You've repeated a false equivalency six times.
 * 07:32:05: Draeon143: That's the entire point
 * 07:32:08: ShawnCognitionCP: I wasn't alive to see you born.
 * 07:32:17: ShawnCognitionCP: I don't have any records in hand that you were born.
 * 07:32:27: ShawnCognitionCP: All I know is you're here talking to me now.
 * 07:32:29: Draeon143: Perhaps I was cloned
 * 07:32:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Human cloning is still in very early stages, and the results aren't good.
 * 07:32:51: ShawnCognitionCP: This is an equivalency to your own.
 * 07:32:56: ShawnCognitionCP: No information except the premise.
 * 07:33:12: ShawnCognitionCP: As opposed to physics, which has hoards of information and proven facts pointing to an answer.
 * 07:33:22: ShawnCognitionCP: The one conclusion? You were born at some point.
 * 07:33:22: Draeon143: You're assuming that existence came into being through a single method based on limited information and no first hand account to prove the culmination of your accumulated data
 * 07:33:38: ShawnCognitionCP: I am not, you're just struggling to keep up.
 * 07:34:24: ShawnCognitionCP: I an stating the universe came to be through a method that every equation, every law, the spread of energy, and every reaction point to in perfect harmony.
 * 07:34:48: ShawnCognitionCP: I am stating that whilst there are eight modern models of the universe, it's a great thing that seven of them involve the big bang.
 * 07:35:17: Draeon143: Where is the center of the universe
 * 07:35:19: ShawnCognitionCP: The only other option is "it always existed", which as the equations, mechanics, and spread of energy show- is far less logical than the big bang, which explains all three.
 * 07:35:30: Draeon143: Prove to me where it all started as evident by what you have seen
 * 07:35:31: ShawnCognitionCP: >unchanged rate of explainsion
 * 07:35:59: Draeon143: Then I will agree that you have enough evidence to conclude that the big bang did happen.
 * 07:36:02: ShawnCognitionCP: The rate of expansion is drastically increasing every single countable moment, and in fluctuating directions.
 * 07:36:11: ShawnCognitionCP: Read up on a little thing called dark energy.
 * 07:36:16: ShawnCognitionCP: The expansion of the universe never slowed.
 * 07:36:29: Draeon143: According to what evidence? Can you see the edge of all the universe to prove this?
 * 07:36:29: ShawnCognitionCP: It only increases- and it does not increase evenly
 * 07:36:36: Ikabite: Well, we don't exactly know what was before the Big Bang, it's the start of Universe as we know it, but quite possibly not the start of existence in general.

So "it's always been" isn't as unplausible. >states first hand experience is the sole component of an acceptable idea 2. False equivalency 3. No evidence at all for your claim, not even theoretical or hypothetical evidence. Not one piece in six thousand years. 4. Personal experience is not credible. It never belongs in a debate. 5. The parallels you weren't able to source despite half an hour of looking, and the conspiracy shit that forged them? 6. It has untouchable evidence you didn't make a single point against. 7. Not possible by the laws of physics or any understanding- just mindless faith. 8. It's funny that as someone admittedly blinded by faith, you use "dogma" to refer to standpoints with evidence. Religion is a dogma of beliefs. 9. You're degenerated in your views, not "progressive". Ignoring fact for comfort is the opposite of progressive. 10. The margins you, nor anyone else could point out? http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:919521#9 Acknowledges it was said by stating it was scrolled away. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:919521#13 (ulfric) approves this message.
 * 07:36:43: ShawnCognitionCP: We have directly observed and recorded dark energy interaction.
 * 07:36:48: ShawnCognitionCP: This is simple physics 101.
 * 07:36:52: Draeon143: To show that it is oddly shaped like a three-dimensional splatter of paint?
 * 07:36:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Dark energy and dark matter are c-tier.
 * 07:37:01: ShawnCognitionCP: Now you're grabbing for apples.
 * 07:37:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Geat.
 * 07:37:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Great*
 * 07:37:07: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 07:37:17: Ikabite: Draeon, you seem to value first hand experience a lot.
 * 07:37:20: ShawnCognitionCP: Completely ignoring points made against you because you don't want to change your views.
 * 07:37:37: Ikabite: Human experience is one of the most unreliable sources of information there is.
 * 07:37:42: Draeon143: You can offer me no proof of the shape of the universe supporting that observation, it is a limited form of evidence at best
 * 07:37:48: RenzXVI: Draeon143 will only believe if he has screenshots of the big bang. :p
 * 07:37:56: ShawnCognitionCP: >believes in a god via faith
 * 07:37:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Hypocrisy.
 * 07:38:04: Ikabite: Wait.
 * 07:38:09: Ikabite: Draeon.
 * 07:38:17: Ikabite: You believe that everything must have a cause.
 * 07:38:18: Ikabite: Right?
 * 07:38:21: Ikabite: This is classic.
 * 07:38:30: Ikabite: So Universe had a creator. A cause.
 * 07:38:35: Ikabite: Right
 * 07:38:37: Ikabite: ?
 * 07:38:45: Draeon143: No one has seen it, you can't claim it to be fact if the event itself hasn't been recorded undeniably
 * 07:38:55: ShawnCognitionCP: You believe in a god you never interacted for and were unable to provide even a drop of evidence for, yet deny proven fact because of no first hand evidence.
 * 07:39:05: ShawnCognitionCP: No one recorded god or Jesus undeniably.
 * 07:39:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Try again.
 * 07:39:39: Draeon143: Considering three religions and historical data support the existence of the man Jesus, that's not accurate to say
 * 07:39:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, for a matter of fact, the universe has three plausible shaped.
 * 07:39:46: Draeon143: The Quran mentions him many times, by name
 * 07:39:48: ShawnCognitionCP: All of which are the result of this expansion.
 * 07:40:03: Draeon143: The Jewish people admit he existed but deny he is a messiah to their faith
 * 07:40:09: Draeon143: Christianity documented his existance
 * 07:40:17: Ikabite: All Abrahamic religions come from one set of mythos, to claim that this is some form of evidence is ridiculous.
 * 07:40:24: ShawnCognitionCP: The Quran, Bible, and Torah all mention dragons and unicorn.
 * 07:40:27: ShawnCognitionCP: unicorns8
 * 07:40:28: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 07:40:47: Draeon143: And they aren't the only sources.
 * 07:40:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, as Ika stated, Christianity and Islam stemmed from early Judaism.
 * 07:41:00: Draeon143: Non-religious documentation unrelated to those faiths claim the same things exist
 * 07:41:04: Draeon143: In africa, and china
 * 07:41:07: Draeon143: Russia
 * 07:41:10: ShawnCognitionCP: No, they don't.
 * 07:41:17: Ikabite: Also, there isn't historical data on Jesus.
 * 07:41:17: ShawnCognitionCP: No supernatural event has ever been proven in any way.
 * 07:41:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence the prefix.
 * 07:41:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Jesus is a figure that is spread in the middle east.
 * 07:41:33: ShawnCognitionCP: That's all that's proven.
 * 07:41:36: ShawnCognitionCP: That's all we have documented.
 * 07:41:38: Draeon143: Native american and central american cultures depicted a christ-like figure in pictographs before anyone from those faiths could have told them about Jesus
 * 07:41:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Wat
 * 07:41:49: Draeon143: Yes.
 * 07:41:53: ShawnCognitionCP: You're joking.
 * 07:41:54: Ikabite: Wait.
 * 07:41:55: Ikabite: Wait.
 * 07:41:56: Ikabite: Wait.
 * 07:42:04: Ikabite: I have a perfect song for this.
 * 07:42:06: RenzXVI: Jesus was in cave paintings?
 * 07:42:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Native Americans as a whole followed central "deities" that were manifestations of what they saw as the motions and vibrations of life.
 * 07:42:27: RenzXVI: Jesus was a dinosaur! Dinosaurs aren't in the bible.
 * 07:42:29: Ikabite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk4k46V0N-s
 * 07:42:36: Draeon143: Let me find it
 * 07:42:39: Draeon143: One moment
 * 07:42:39: ShawnCognitionCP: Central American religions worshiped the sun and moon.
 * 07:42:40: Ikabite: Now listen and grove along.
 * 07:42:58: ShawnCognitionCP: Notice the Aztecs saw Hernan- a Christian Spaniard, a a god.
 * 07:43:01: ShawnCognitionCP: as*
 * 07:43:02: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 07:43:10: RenzXVI: BRB again
 * 07:43:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Again, I've sourced the only three plausible shapes of the universe, Dreaon.
 * 07:43:33: ShawnCognitionCP: You have your evidence.
 * 07:43:42: ShawnCognitionCP: All account for dark energy expansion.
 * 07:44:05: ShawnCognitionCP: All have equations that are uncrackable and have stood the test of time.
 * 07:44:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Or are you going to reject them because it would require you change a view or two of yours?
 * 07:45:33: Ikabite: As much as I am for rationality and science, Shawn does put a little too much trust in existing models of the universe.
 * 07:45:41: Ikabite: In my opinion.
 * 07:46:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Find a crack in the science/math, and then we'll talk about that.
 * 07:46:16: Ikabite: I probably can't.
 * 07:46:18: ShawnCognitionCP: They are the current standing models for a reason.
 * 07:46:19: ShawnCognitionCP: Because they work and make sense.
 * 07:46:24: ShawnCognitionCP: You can't, it's that simple.
 * 07:46:30: Ikabite: But, yeah, I know they work and make sense.
 * 07:46:48: Ikabite: But minor changes here and there will happen during our lifetimes, where, when, I don't know.
 * 07:47:02: Ikabite: It's a bit arrogant to assume we got all the variables down.
 * 07:47:05: ShawnCognitionCP: In physics, yes.
 * 07:47:09: ShawnCognitionCP: In models, highly unlikely.
 * 07:47:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Quantum computing is the only uncounted for variable.
 * 07:48:53: Ikabite: I wish somebody paid me for Wikia edits.
 * 07:48:56: Ikabite: >.>
 * 07:49:17: Ikabite: Also, check the link I sent you on Steam.
 * 07:49:35: ShawnCognitionCP: Ping me when he comes back with a point, or anyone wants to say anything.
 * 07:49:45: Ikabite: I mean.
 * 07:49:48: Ikabite: On Skype.
 * 08:08:15: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 08:14:41: Draeon143: Oh my god so much shit pops up when you try to deep search for cultural crap. I'm still looking, I can't find anything reputable yet but I CLEARLY remember reading the finding of some mesoamerican artwork that depicted a character with mutilations similar to those of post-crucifixion christ because I was blown away by it existing so far away from the influence of that region
 * 08:15:59: YulFusKrad: shawncan u give me a skyrim lore history on a topic
 * 08:16:03: YulFusKrad: shawn*
 * 08:16:09: Ikabite: What do you want?
 * 08:16:17: YulFusKrad: i wanna know more about the dawnguard
 * 08:16:49: Ikabite: There isn't much, the DLC is what came up with it, there aren't any other entries on the subject.
 * 08:17:06: Ikabite: Unless it's mentioned in some more recent MK's stuff, but I really doubt it.
 * 08:17:45: ShawnCognitionCP: I posted the three plausible shapes of the universe.
 * 08:17:51: ShawnCognitionCP: All of which account for dark energy expansion.
 * 08:18:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Now, are you going to deny that, regardless of you saying that was the last piece you needed?
 * 08:21:34: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 08:23:12: YulFusKrad: shawn do u know anything useful for a vampire hunter
 * 08:23:36: ShawnCognitionCP: They're made for that.
 * 08:24:14: Ikabite: But nothing comes to mind.
 * 08:24:17: YulFusKrad: mostly that
 * 08:24:45: YulFusKrad: and one weird one i got for question wise is what made the rune weapons of dawnguard
 * 08:26:06: Draeon143: You posted that there were three, but not what they were. Accounting for something, and documenting it are not one and the same. I can account for rain in the forecast, all signs point to rain. Conditions change, and there was no rain after all. Does that mean it rained? I believe that it is likely that a being which designed us exists, and no I cannot offer you mathematical equations to attempt to support that statement. I can only offer you personal experience and collective parallels between unrelated cultures. I'm not believing in something with no evidence and refusing to believe something else without evidence, I'm choosing to believe something that is possible and defying your dogmatism to be more productive than claims of concrete proof where there is in fact a very high margin of error in understanding.
 * 08:26:39: ShawnCognitionCP: I posted a source showcasing all three.
 * 08:26:46: Draeon143: I didn't see one
 * 08:26:48: Draeon143: Please repost
 * 08:27:28: ShawnCognitionCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe
 * 08:27:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, let me point out why your debate just went into uneducated 5th grader territory.
 * 08:27:53: YulFusKrad: isnt therer countless shapes that forge the universe
 * 08:29:49: YulFusKrad: shawn do u know how humans were made at all
 * 08:30:15: Ikabite: :D
 * 08:30:24: Ikabite: Humans were made?
 * 08:30:41: YulFusKrad: the species of man kind
 * 08:30:44: RenzXVI: Humans aren't made. Females just drop out of a guy's rib.
 * 08:30:47: ShawnCognitionCP: 1. False analogy without a good point
 * 08:30:56: ShawnCognitionCP: Also, yes, I know the origin of man.
 * 08:31:05: ShawnCognitionCP: Abiogenesis and the evolution that follows.
 * 08:31:18: YulFusKrad: abiogenesis
 * 08:31:20: ShawnCognitionCP: It's a recorded process that we have linked and charted. I suggest reading up on it.
 * 08:31:22: YulFusKrad: the fuck is that
 * 08:31:49: YulFusKrad: can u link me to it
 * 08:31:50: ShawnCognitionCP: The origin of life by nonliving matter.
 * 08:32:03: ShawnCognitionCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
 * 08:32:03: YulFusKrad: such as a meteor or something right
 * 08:32:30: YulFusKrad: so like backteria
 * 08:32:45: ShawnCognitionCP: We've created organic compounds from inorganic compounds many times- we do it daily in labs.
 * 08:32:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Bacteria are organic.
 * 08:32:57: YulFusKrad: oh
 * 08:33:16: Draeon143: I'm going to answer all ten of those. I would appreciate not being interrupted between them.
 * 08:33:18: YulFusKrad: what ever created man must of been by acident
 * 08:33:29: ShawnCognitionCP: Amino acids can synthesize into life, and have been caused to do so many times.
 * 08:33:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Do so in one post as I did, Draeon.
 * 08:33:47: YulFusKrad: wow
 * 08:34:06: YulFusKrad: by the way what does amino mean
 * 08:34:38: ShawnCognitionCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid
 * 08:34:43: ShawnCognitionCP: Are you over 13, by the way, Yul?
 * 08:34:53: RenzXVI: O_o
 * 08:36:29: ShawnCognitionCP:.
 * 08:37:03: Draeon143: 1: It's a completely valid analogy, you simply choose not to recognize its application. Allow me to explain. If the weather forecast predicts that according to all available recorded evidence, it will definitely 100% rain in my city today, then that is reported to be the expectation. But someone did not account for a factor such as a large comet passing between the earth and the moon, causing a change in weather factors. Subsequently through a change of factors brought on without warning, the rain that was expected instead got shoved on top of a warm front and the storm system couldn't drop low enough to precipitate because it was forced into higher areas of the atmosphere and it didn't rain. But it was 100% chance according to all our math and data, but that 100% didn't happen. There was a factor not accounted for, something no one observed or was aware of, and it completely altered what was thought to be true. Moving on to the equivalency
 * 08:37:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Chat's 13+, and I doubt he's 13.
 * 08:37:14: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 08:37:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Again.
 * 08:37:18: ShawnCognitionCP: It's not.
 * 08:37:21: ShawnCognitionCP: You just can't grasp it.
 * 08:37:31: ShawnCognitionCP: The analogy runs on an uneven balance with the topic.
 * 08:37:40: ShawnCognitionCP: It does not excuse the solid evidence, comparing it with a forecast.
 * 08:37:49: ShawnCognitionCP: It does not bring into play the equations.
 * 08:37:57: ShawnCognitionCP: It does not present an equal playing field with the science.
 * 08:38:11: ShawnCognitionCP: It does not hold fairness or relative context with the science.
 * 08:38:22: ShawnCognitionCP: It does not have any connection to the science.
 * 08:38:36: ShawnCognitionCP: It does not fit as a supplement to explain in the same manner.
 * 08:38:39: ShawnCognitionCP: There you go.
 * 08:38:39: Draeon143: I have afforded you the opportunity to speak without interruption when you have requested it
 * 08:38:43: Draeon143: Please show me the same respect
 * 08:38:55: ShawnCognitionCP: Every single rue for an analogy that you failed nine times and failed to see.
 * 08:39:10: ShawnCognitionCP: I'm growing tired of games and ill points, Draeon.
 * 08:39:46: ShawnCognitionCP: This wasn't a debate, it was a two hour explanation on my end to you.
 * 08:39:51: RenzXVI: Draeon143 already said he won't believe in anything that opposes his faith.
 * 08:40:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Completely failed analogy on every level. Doesn't succeed in one of the seven rules for an analogy, and I just posted why. Again.
 * 08:40:51: YulFusKrad: holy shit
 * 08:40:55: YulFusKrad: i learned alot
 * 08:41:05: Draeon143: 2: Were you present at the birth of the universe? It's very first, original, birth? Did you record ALL of the factors? No? Then your margin of error is extremely largely. That's your 10 right there. You do not have all the evidence. You have what you think is all the evidence, but until it is recorded you do not in fact have all the evidence and neither does anyone else. Then, and this is where science tends to act a little like the catholic church, when something changes and they suddenly have new information that could completely alter the entire Scientific Theory, or render it totally wrong, it is entirely downplayed as a lack of understanding and a new "correct" scientific theory comes about, as though the first correct one weren't ever correct to begin with. Moving on to 3
 * 08:41:33: ShawnCognitionCP: Renz.
 * 08:41:34: ShawnCognitionCP: I broke him.
 * 08:41:38: RenzXVI: This is like Russel's Teacup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
 * 08:41:44: ShawnCognitionCP: I destroyed him so bad he's repeating already discredited information.
 * 08:41:44: RenzXVI: Ok, Pot.
 * 08:41:49: ShawnCognitionCP: This is glorious.
 * 08:42:16: RenzXVI: Draeon143 was born beside God.
 * 08:42:16: ShawnCognitionCP: YOU WEREN'T THERE
 * 08:42:46: ShawnCognitionCP: "How do you know Hitler was bad? The events show it, but were you there? Did you record it first hand? Did you have ALL the factors?"
 * 08:42:51: RenzXVI: This chat must not exist if I didn't see it's creation.
 * 08:44:40: Draeon143: The evidence you request is all there for you to read and see for yourself. Simply because it is not built on math, or scientific theory, you will not acknowledge that it exists in its current form. Whether the christian story of Jesus dying for the salvation of mankind, or the Hindi story of their god descending from the heavens to drink the poison meant to kill mankind, dying themselves to save their people, or mesoamerican tales of quetzelcoatl performing a similar act of self sacrifice for his people, the vastly differently aged and far spread cultures echo the same theme with unexplainably eerie parallels.
 * 08:44:49: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 08:44:50: Draeon143: 4
 * 08:44:53: ShawnCognitionCP: For two hours I've said this.
 * 08:44:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Give me one piece of evidence.
 * 08:45:01: ShawnCognitionCP: One piece I can not refute.
 * 08:45:11: ShawnCognitionCP: One that can not be mistaken.
 * 08:45:18: ShawnCognitionCP: One piece that shows, without a doubt, your claims are true.
 * 08:45:34: ShawnCognitionCP: I've given you links with hundreds of said pieces of evidence sourced on them.
 * 08:45:35: YulFusKrad: shawn what is goin on i tuned out
 * 08:45:37: ShawnCognitionCP: Give one.
 * 08:45:51: ShawnCognitionCP: "If personal experience is not credible, then no experiment is credible. "
 * 08:46:02: ShawnCognitionCP: Experiments have nothing to do with the person doing them.
 * 08:46:08: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Reincarnation Of Akatosh!
 * 08:46:11: RenzXVI: You experimented with God?
 * 08:46:13: RenzXVI: With Weed?
 * 08:46:14: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Hello all.
 * 08:46:14: Draeon143: 5: When I find it, I'll send it to you. That's a promise. I'll keep looking.
 * 08:46:16: ShawnCognitionCP: They need to be repeated by hundreds of people, with the same result, to be taken seriously.
 * 08:46:23: ShawnCognitionCP: You haven't posted one piece.
 * 08:46:27: ShawnCognitionCP: Yet you deny basic physics.
 * 08:46:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Elementary school level science.
 * 08:46:44: RenzXVI: Religion had no contributions for hundreds of years.
 * 08:46:54: RenzXVI: Except saying God is real.
 * 08:46:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Let me put it this way.
 * 08:47:00: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Are we having another argument based on God?
 * 08:47:14: Draeon143: 6: There's untouchable evidence Pluto is a planet, but some people got together and decided it wasn't. Because sometimes, factors and information and observations change.
 * 08:47:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Pluto
 * 08:47:25: ShawnCognitionCP: was
 * 08:47:26: ShawnCognitionCP: never
 * 08:47:26: ShawnCognitionCP: a
 * 08:47:27: ShawnCognitionCP: planet
 * 08:47:33: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Pluto was never a planet?
 * 08:47:36: ShawnCognitionCP: No.
 * 08:47:46: ShawnCognitionCP: It was registered as one until it was discovered it didn't clear its orbit.
 * 08:47:47: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I know, I meant to add a period.
 * 08:48:01: ShawnCognitionCP: That disqualifies it from ever being a planet.
 * 08:48:35: ShawnCognitionCP: You're a religious man that got into a debate with someone way over your level. For two and a half hours I posted evidence after evidence, source after source, peeling apart your debate with equations, tests, and physics. You've come out and denied it because it goes against what you believe.
 * 08:48:38: ShawnCognitionCP: What does that tell you?
 * 08:48:42: Draeon143: 7: You're telling me it isn't possible to create life from non-living matter? Didn't you just link Abiogenesis to someone? If a higher, more capable intelligence did exist... Well, I suppose they'd have to use similar methods to create life. So... 8
 * 08:48:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Denying evidence because it goes against what you believe?
 * 08:48:59: ShawnCognitionCP: It shows you don't really believe in it.
 * 08:49:02: ShawnCognitionCP: You want too, but you don't
 * 08:49:05: RenzXVI: Lol wat.
 * 08:49:07: ShawnCognitionCP: You're forcing it on yourself.
 * 08:49:17: ShawnCognitionCP: You're unmoving and unwilling to learn.
 * 08:49:22: RenzXVI: If one has it, so must the other?
 * 08:49:26: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Hey Renz. Can someone go on this thread and remove spam?
 * 08:49:26: ShawnCognitionCP: You're unwilling to take in opposing information.
 * 08:49:54: ShawnCognitionCP: You don't really believe in the existence of a creator. You're forcing that standpoint on yourself subconsciously.
 * 08:50:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Absolutely refusing to accept opposing information, no matter the evidence on its side.
 * 08:50:24: Draeon143: I never said I was blinded by faith, I said I chose to believe something. Please don't put words in my mouth. The irony of my using the word Dogma to define your single-minded refusal to acknowledge that everything you claim to be fact could change with a single scientific discovery is not lost on me, but it seems to be lost on you. Which is unfortunately. Because you are, currently, being very single minded about how subject to change and "New evidence" your stance actually is
 * 08:50:39: RenzXVI: No one here can remove posts.
 * 08:50:42: ShawnCognitionCP: >single minded refusal
 * 08:51:02: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Well, how do I report it?
 * 08:51:26: ShawnCognitionCP: Without stepping into ad hominem territory, I suggest you get yourself higher education. I mean this sincerely, not as an insult. As a concerned human being that wants to see everyone learn.
 * 08:51:40: RenzXVI: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Vandalism_in_progress
 * 08:51:44: ShawnCognitionCP: You have no clue how mathematical equations, the scientific process, or evidence itself work.
 * 08:51:46: Draeon143: 9: I will accept absolute undeniable proof when it exists. When all margin of error is gone. When there is no proof left to seek. When mankind has seen the void, looked into it, watched a universe come to life, and says "Okay yep that's the last piece of the puzzle, let's find a new mystery"
 * 08:51:57: ShawnCognitionCP: Hence the countless logical fallacies.
 * 08:52:13: RenzXVI: Lol, you want to watch a universe grow?
 * 08:52:17: RenzXVI: Everything you say is silly.
 * 08:52:20: ShawnCognitionCP: #9 alone proves your absolutely brick-wall-esque mental patterns.
 * 08:52:32: ShawnCognitionCP: You will not accept anything against your faith.
 * 08:52:34: RenzXVI: Yeah, nut job.
 * 08:52:36: ShawnCognitionCP: You haven't, and won't.
 * 08:52:49: RenzXVI: What you say alone proves how nuts you are.
 * 08:53:14: RenzXVI: You are disproving your own credibility.
 * 08:53:16: ShawnCognitionCP: No matter what you were shown- absolutely uncrackable equations, mathematics more certain to be correct than your own existence is to be true, and laws of the universe itself- you denied it.
 * 08:53:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Now, you are discrediting yourself beyond belief.
 * 08:53:34: RenzXVI: Just stop the topic already.
 * 08:53:34: ShawnCognitionCP: You made a mistake in agreeing to debate me.
 * 08:53:45: ShawnCognitionCP: I even gave a warning in the beginning where this was going.
 * 08:54:03: ShawnCognitionCP: Spoken to hundreds like you, will continue to speak to more.
 * 08:55:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Funny enough, none have been able to even give hypothetical situations or ideas that would point to their points being proven.
 * 08:56:20: RenzXVI: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh, Majority of Atheists start out as religious.
 * 08:56:21: ShawnCognitionCP: The ultimate confession of intentional idiocy and ignorance.
 * 08:56:23: YulFusKrad: shawn
 * 08:56:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Remember, Akatosh- you weren't here.
 * 08:56:47: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon was actually the one to start the debate.
 * 08:56:50: Draeon143: I've given you plenty of hypothetical situations where unknown factors could completely alter the results of your inquiries. You've denied them.
 * 08:56:53: Draeon143: All of them
 * 08:56:55: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: It's just true. They believe in Him, and likely won't change, unless they see this evidence for themselves, with nobody to guide them to it.
 * 08:57:12: ShawnCognitionCP: I gave a warning that "this was getting awfully close to a religion debate"- and he agreed to debate.
 * 08:57:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Draeon.
 * 08:57:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Funny that Ika, Renz, and every momentary observer was also pointing out how idiotic they were.
 * 08:57:40: YulFusKrad: shawn can i give u advice now dont take it wrong
 * 08:57:55: ShawnCognitionCP: You made nothing but argumentative fallacies, false analogies, and false equivalencies.
 * 08:58:10: ShawnCognitionCP: You don't need my permission to say whatever you want, Yul.
 * 08:58:21: ShawnCognitionCP: Akatosh, let this part go on record.
 * 08:58:28: ShawnCognitionCP: It was never my intent to take people from their faith.
 * 08:58:39: ShawnCognitionCP: This started because Draeon said society as a whole should follow God's rule and word.
 * 08:58:42: YulFusKrad: but i must say that it is best we dont say such things unless u understand whats out there
 * 08:58:46: ShawnCognitionCP: I said that was something I fully disagreed with.
 * 08:58:59: ShawnCognitionCP: I warned that it was close to a religion debate at that pace.
 * 08:59:03: ShawnCognitionCP: He chose to fairly debate me.
 * 08:59:04: Draeon143: Repeating the same words does not dismiss that you refuse to acknowledge your entire standpoint could violently shift tomorrow if a new discovery was made that altered your perception of the equations..
 * 08:59:11: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Okay. I'm just saying it's kind of pointless trying to change them, They won't change. That's one of the only things I learned from life, people don't change.
 * 08:59:13: RenzXVI: A lot of nuts mass murdered people following "God's rule".
 * 08:59:19: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: It's just my opinion.
 * 08:59:21: ShawnCognitionCP: "Repeating the same words does not dismiss that you refuse to acknowledge your entire standpoint"
 * 08:59:24: ShawnCognitionCP: THE FUCKING IRONY
 * 08:59:35: YulFusKrad: humans based on souley one thing shawn
 * 08:59:48: ShawnCognitionCP: Poor lad, I'll help you.
 * 08:59:49: ShawnCognitionCP: Ika
 * 08:59:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Fuck off nigbitch
 * 08:59:56: YulFusKrad: they believe what they see is true
 * 09:00:06: RenzXVI: Anyone can have moral compasses, you do not need religion for it.
 * 09:00:09: YulFusKrad: who are u to question them
 * 09:00:11: Draeon143: That's like saying all atheists are responsible for the actions of one atheist because you're all godless hethens. It does not equate.
 * 09:00:22: ShawnCognitionCP: False analogy.
 * 09:00:30: YulFusKrad: is it wrong to have faith in what u believe
 * 09:00:41: ShawnCognitionCP: Atheists are not a group, do not follow one dogma, or share a systematic grouping like religions.
 * 09:00:42: Draeon143: How? It is the stereotype of a culture subset based on a shared factor
 * 09:00:47: YulFusKrad: is it wrong to even have faith when every human has faith in something
 * 09:00:55: ShawnCognitionCP: It is impossible to judge atheists for the actions of some, because it's not a group.
 * 09:01:01: Draeon143: As a matter of fact, Atheists are a group of people who have the singular thing in common that they do not believe in God
 * 09:01:06: Draeon143: Just as white people are a group
 * 09:01:09: Draeon143: Because they're white
 * 09:01:15: YulFusKrad: and its wrong to judge all who are religions
 * 09:01:17: ShawnCognitionCP: We don't have a dogma, we don't have an organized system, we don't have a pairing.
 * 09:01:27: ShawnCognitionCP: As of this, we can not be blamed for the actions of others.
 * 09:01:34: ShawnCognitionCP: Meanwhile, religions have books instructing said crimes.
 * 09:01:35: YulFusKrad: thats the reason they are athiests shawn
 * 09:01:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Read the Quran.
 * 09:02:00: ShawnCognitionCP: Different kind of group, Draeon.
 * 09:02:06: YulFusKrad: so ur basing isis equal to every muslim
 * 09:02:14: Draeon143: No, you don't get to choose what commonalities do and do not make something a group
 * 09:02:14: YulFusKrad: who follow the quran
 * 09:02:18: ShawnCognitionCP: One is a contextual/biological/hereditary group, one is a systematic group.
 * 09:02:18: Draeon143: That's hypocrisy
 * 09:02:19: ShawnCognitionCP: I do.
 * 09:02:31: ShawnCognitionCP: Why is that? Because that's the fucking definitions of the terms.
 * 09:02:33: YulFusKrad: thats not how the world works shawn
 * 09:02:36: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Draeon. Color of Skin doesn't matter. It doesn't make a group. It already caused a war in America.
 * 09:02:43: YulFusKrad: its a matter of faith
 * 09:02:43: ShawnCognitionCP: All I did was post fucking definitions
 * 09:02:50: ShawnCognitionCP: You got upset at legal definitions.
 * 09:02:51: YulFusKrad: the quran was written long ago
 * 09:02:53: ShawnCognitionCP: Congratulations.
 * 09:02:57: ShawnCognitionCP: You've officially become retarded.
 * 09:02:58: Draeon143: It makes a group when you are running statistics, Akatosh.
 * 09:03:04: ShawnCognitionCP: Yes.
 * 09:03:08: ShawnCognitionCP: A different kind of group.
 * 09:03:09: YulFusKrad: times have changed and so did the quran
 * 09:03:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Hereditary.
 * 09:03:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Not systematic.
 * 09:03:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Yul, go purchase a copy of the Quran and read it.
 * 09:03:34: Draeon143: White people can be completely unrelated and still be white. We're not all descended from the Caucassus mountains.
 * 09:03:37: YulFusKrad: i know what it is
 * 09:03:47: ShawnCognitionCP: He doesn't understand what a hereditary group is.
 * 09:03:48: YulFusKrad: and its text
 * 09:03:51: RenzXVI: Draeon143, that's not the definition of group we are talking about.
 * 09:03:54: ShawnCognitionCP: This is flaweless.
 * 09:04:08: RenzXVI: You are pretty much saying a bunch of strangers are a group.
 * 09:04:11: Draeon143: It is, Renz. Shawn is attempting to draw a line to selectively choose how to define a group
 * 09:04:12: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Okay. But it's better to say it doesn't matter for one reason. They cause discrimination.
 * 09:04:16: RenzXVI: When they shouldn't be connected in any way.
 * 09:04:18: YulFusKrad: shawn most people dont give a rats flying ass about most thing u mentioned
 * 09:04:18: ShawnCognitionCP: Dreaon
 * 09:04:21: ShawnCognitionCP: I posted definitions
 * 09:04:23: RenzXVI: They never interacted with each other.
 * 09:04:25: ShawnCognitionCP: Actual definitions
 * 09:04:36: Draeon143: In order to prevent using one statistical commonality to define a subset within a larger set
 * 09:04:38: ShawnCognitionCP: Because you're misusing the words
 * 09:04:38: YulFusKrad: shawn
 * 09:04:45: RenzXVI: Draeon143, you fail to see how Shawn and me are on the same page.
 * 09:04:46: ShawnCognitionCP: And I'm correcting it
 * 09:04:51: YulFusKrad: shawn
 * 09:04:55: RenzXVI: You are the one who's being stubborn.
 * 09:04:57: YulFusKrad: it doesnt matter what u say
 * 09:05:03: YulFusKrad: it wont change his mind
 * 09:05:10: YulFusKrad: he has fiath in a higher power
 * 09:05:12: ShawnCognitionCP: He can't even change his mind at this point.
 * 09:05:15: YulFusKrad: its not wrong
 * 09:05:15: ShawnCognitionCP: He's actually broken.
 * 09:05:22: ShawnCognitionCP: Like snapping a CD in half and trying to play it.
 * 09:05:30: YulFusKrad: shawn jus stop
 * 09:05:33: RenzXVI: YulFusKrad, it won't be an issue if Draeon143 wasn't the one keeping this going.
 * 09:05:40: ShawnCognitionCP: He has yet to make a single point and has devolved to picking arguments with terminology itself because he misused words.
 * 09:05:42: Draeon143: Within humanity, there are theists and atheists. Some theists are grouped together with other theists because they are theists. It is unfair. If it is therefor unfair to do that, it is also unfair to group some atheists together because of the actions of other atheists.
 * 09:05:44: YulFusKrad: if shawn stops fueling him
 * 09:05:50: YulFusKrad: he will stop
 * 09:05:55: ShawnCognitionCP: >it's unfair
 * 09:06:02: ShawnCognitionCP: It's not.
 * 09:06:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Systematic groups have a dogma.
 * 09:06:10: ShawnCognitionCP: Atheism does not.
 * 09:06:15: ShawnCognitionCP: Systematic groups have a system of worship.
 * 09:06:17: ShawnCognitionCP: Atheism does not.
 * 09:06:21: YulFusKrad: do i gotta get atvelonis
 * 09:06:24: ShawnCognitionCP: Systematic groups have pairings.
 * 09:06:26: YulFusKrad: to put a end to this
 * 09:06:35: RenzXVI: Stop calling it a group.
 * 09:06:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Systematic groups act together under their rules.
 * 09:06:42: YulFusKrad: i did
 * 09:06:43: RenzXVI: Just because we are all Atheists.
 * 09:06:46: ShawnCognitionCP: Athesism does not.
 * 09:06:56: ShawnCognitionCP: You are gasping for straws because you missed every branch.
 * 09:07:01: YulFusKrad: they say they are no different than a person with no religion
 * 09:07:11: ShawnCognitionCP: You don't have a point and you know it.
 * 09:07:24: YulFusKrad: shawn it doesnt fucking matter quit it
 * 09:07:27: ShawnCognitionCP: You failed to debate with any manner of organization or skill, and then devolved into insulting terminology itself.
 * 09:07:32: Draeon143: I was perfectly calm and content to debate civilly, until Shawn decided he is the almighty authority on how data is organized in the free world.
 * 09:07:39: ShawnCognitionCP: You
 * 09:07:40: ShawnCognitionCP: Debated
 * 09:07:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Terminology
 * 09:07:43: ShawnCognitionCP: becase
 * 09:07:44: ShawnCognitionCP: you
 * 09:07:45: ShawnCognitionCP: misused
 * 09:07:46: ShawnCognitionCP: words
 * 09:07:53: YulFusKrad: shawn
 * 09:08:00: YulFusKrad: i said quit it
 * 09:08:04: RenzXVI: Shawn isn't the only one saying you are wrong.
 * 09:08:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Yul, you're being the most annoying and idiotic out of everyone right now.
 * 09:08:12: RenzXVI: Just stop the topic guys.
 * 09:08:13: YulFusKrad: ur proving nothing by fueling a burning stove
 * 09:08:24: ShawnCognitionCP: There is no topic at this point, Renz.
 * 09:08:27: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Wait. Draeon said that everyone should follow the same Religion? The very reason US started was to escape that.
 * 09:08:30: ShawnCognitionCP: Let him go and he'll be insulting the dictionary.
 * 09:08:36: ShawnCognitionCP: Exactly ,Akatosh.
 * 09:08:42: ShawnCognitionCP: He stated society should follow God as a whole.
 * 09:08:54: Draeon143: I did not, and now you are putting words into my mouth.
 * 09:08:59: YulFusKrad: and yet that time they escaped england they burned my people
 * 09:08:59: ShawnCognitionCP: You did.
 * 09:08:59: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Yes.
 * 09:09:06: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I am.
 * 09:09:06: Draeon143: Quote me on that betterment of society line, I invite you to
 * 09:09:07: ShawnCognitionCP: Pretty sure Ika, Yul, and Renz saw it.
 * 09:09:11: Draeon143: That line was about my personal conduct
 * 09:09:13: ShawnCognitionCP: Now he's trying to avoid it.
 * 09:09:14: Draeon143: Not the conduct of the world
 * 09:09:20: YulFusKrad: akatosh
 * 09:09:28: ShawnCognitionCP: You flat out said you believe society as a whole should follow god's rule and will.
 * 09:09:29: YulFusKrad: at that time they burned pagans my people
 * 09:09:45: ShawnCognitionCP: You specifically said "society should follow".
 * 09:09:59: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Draeon. Believe this. It will not make society better, It will start more war.
 * 09:10:10: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: America started to escape that very belief.
 * 09:10:12: ShawnCognitionCP: Notice the five times I've mentioned that line, you pick an issue with it when Akatosh, a fellow religiousman, takes issue with it.
 * 09:10:20: ShawnCognitionCP: You're crabdigging.
 * 09:10:23: ShawnCognitionCP: badly.
 * 09:10:44: ShawnCognitionCP: You're so desperate for any ground to stand on, you're making it crumble beneath you.
 * 09:10:49: Draeon143: Akatosh, with respect you were not here for the context of my comment. So I present to you a better reiteration of it
 * 09:10:51: YulFusKrad: now shawn if u dont quit acting like the noble dick u are
 * 09:11:06: ShawnCognitionCP: Even going as far as to get angry at the dictionary for being against you.
 * 09:11:16: Draeon143: If you are Christian, then you know that the bible teaches to reach out to the less fortunate. Give them aid, shelter, food, clothing, etc
 * 09:11:29: YulFusKrad: if u guys jus drop it now
 * 09:11:30: Draeon143: If I give a freezing homeless man my coat, that does not cause a war.
 * 09:11:40: Draeon143: This is the betterment of society that I speak of.
 * 09:11:42: YulFusKrad: i wont post in discussion about this and get atvelonis in
 * 09:11:50: YulFusKrad: will*
 * 09:11:51: RenzXVI: Forcing your religion on to others is always wrong.
 * 09:11:53: Draeon143: Not the forcing of my religion down the throats of others, even the roman empire outlawed that.
 * 09:11:57: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Haha. You didn't read the bible did you? There's a whole chapter about a flood, which was caused, due to one sexual orientation.
 * 09:12:01: ShawnCognitionCP: The bible also says not to eat shelfish, get tattoos, wear mixed fabric, have sex before marriage, or eat anything from the sea or air.
 * 09:12:16: RenzXVI: Guys, just stop the arguments.
 * 09:12:23: Draeon143: The bible also lifts the ban on diet in the new testament
 * 09:12:26: YulFusKrad: renz
 * 09:12:34: ShawnCognitionCP: You said "society should follow god's will and rule", not "people should do better in its name".
 * 09:12:41: YulFusKrad: its useless these assholes wont quit it cause they are whipping it out like its a new thing
 * 09:12:42: ShawnCognitionCP: Depends on interpretation, Draeon.
 * 09:12:52: ShawnCognitionCP: Also depends which variation of Christianity.
 * 09:12:57: YulFusKrad: its a dick measure contest
 * 09:14:08: RenzXVI: I refreshed. I'd kick the next person who posts continuing the discussion.
 * 09:14:22: YulFusKrad: hey renz quick question
 * 09:14:32: RenzXVI: WHat?
 * 09:14:49: YulFusKrad: how did the dawngaurd get created and where does the rune weapons for the dawnguard come from
 * 09:15:22: YulFusKrad: u never thought about it right
 * 09:15:24: ShawnCognitionCP: 2. They craft their own weapons
 * 09:15:28: ShawnCognitionCP: Including the enchantments.
 * 09:15:35: YulFusKrad: is there a forge
 * 09:15:46: YulFusKrad: that made the rune weapons
 * 09:15:58: ShawnCognitionCP: They have a normal forge you an use.
 * 09:15:58: ShawnCognitionCP: can*
 * 09:16:01: ShawnCognitionCP: My bad.
 * 09:16:07: YulFusKrad: i knwo that
 * 09:16:14: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: The Runes are artifacts, the regular weapons are created by them.
 * 09:16:14: YulFusKrad: but how was the rune weapons created
 * RenzXVI kicked Draeon143
 * 09:16:52: YulFusKrad: true
 * 09:17:01: YulFusKrad: i notice they look like nordic created
 * 09:17:13: YulFusKrad: but what forge can create these
 * 09:17:21: YulFusKrad: maybe in dead drop falls
 * 09:17:28: ShawnCognitionCP: I like how he pretends I said I wasn't anti-theistic.
 * 09:17:31: YulFusKrad: i noticed that place
 * 09:18:11: YulFusKrad: i might get stendarr's aura
 * 09:18:20: YulFusKrad: and vampire bane
 * 09:18:40: RenzXVI: brb
 * 09:19:06: YulFusKrad: shawn if i can find one book in skyrim about the dawnguard i can find out more
 * 09:19:53: YulFusKrad: if i talk to saurine maybe she can tell me about some of them
 * 09:19:54: ShawnCognitionCP: " And you can't even quote me to prove it because it's scrolled away."
 * 09:20:02: ShawnCognitionCP: 0/10 debate skills
 * 09:20:21: YulFusKrad: shawn he was kicked dont continue
 * 09:20:51: ShawnCognitionCP: I don't understand where you get the idea of you having authority at all.
 * 09:21:05: YulFusKrad: i jjus dont want u kicked
 * 09:21:08: YulFusKrad: or banned
 * 09:21:36: YulFusKrad: im not giving myself authority im lookin out for u guys
 * 09:21:42: YulFusKrad: thats all
 * 09:26:48: YulFusKrad: ika u here
 * 09:26:58: Ikabite: Hmm?
 * 09:27:07: YulFusKrad: oh thought u left from the convo
 * 09:27:17: YulFusKrad: i woulda been sad
 * 09:29:00: YulFusKrad: so ika how are u feeling
 * 09:29:44: Ikabite: I'm alright, playing ESO at the moment, so I hop in and out.
 * 09:30:59: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I need to play that when I get gold.
 * 09:31:16: YulFusKrad: geeZ
 * 09:31:20: YulFusKrad: my man
 * 09:31:21: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I haven't seen futurama for a while.
 * 09:31:31: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Isn't that a 2 hour special?
 * 09:31:35: YulFusKrad: bender was on flap jacks show on cartoon network
 * 09:31:46: RenzXVI: Straight to DVD movie.
 * 09:31:57: YulFusKrad: bender was the captain
 * 09:31:57: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Wow. It's on netflix as a special.
 * 09:32:13: RenzXVI: There are 4 movies.
 * 09:32:19: RenzXVI: It's the whole season 5.
 * 09:32:29: RenzXVI: They split each movie in 4 to make it a series.
 * 09:32:33: YulFusKrad: nice
 * 09:32:43: RenzXVI: I know Flap Jack.
 * 09:32:52: YulFusKrad: bender was flapjacks captain
 * 09:33:00: YulFusKrad: fun fact
 * 09:33:07: YulFusKrad: and he was in family guy
 * 09:33:09: RenzXVI: You mean Dimagio
 * 09:33:15: YulFusKrad: yea
 * 09:33:17: RenzXVI: He is also Jake.
 * 09:33:21: RenzXVI: Jake the Dog.
 * 09:33:25: YulFusKrad: yea
 * 09:33:44: RenzXVI: He is one of my favorite voices.
 * 09:33:49: YulFusKrad: yea
 * 09:33:54: YulFusKrad: jake is interesting
 * 09:34:00: YulFusKrad: lets jus say he isnt bright
 * 09:34:20: RenzXVI: He is bright yellow.
 * 09:34:22: YulFusKrad: but yet he speaks japanese
 * 09:34:27: RenzXVI: KOrean.
 * 09:34:29: YulFusKrad: and english
 * 09:34:33: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I'm going to go watch some Futurama. I sadly watched the series 4 times so far.
 * 09:34:37: YulFusKrad: oh its korean
 * 09:34:59: YulFusKrad: it seems the same but i know its different
 * 09:35:38: YulFusKrad: renz is it racist of me to think its the same lagnuage
 * 09:35:43: RenzXVI: BMO is the same voice as Lady Rainicorn
 * 09:35:49: RenzXVI: I dunno.
 * 09:36:17: YulFusKrad: i never knew tht
 * 09:36:17: YulFusKrad: bmo is awesome th
 * 09:36:17: YulFusKrad: tho*
 * 09:36:27: YulFusKrad: lets jus be honest
 * 09:36:33: YulFusKrad: he makes the show interesting
 * 09:36:40: RenzXVI: Who?
 * 09:36:46: YulFusKrad: BMO
 * 09:37:46: YulFusKrad: if u think about it
 * 09:37:54: YulFusKrad: BMO makes the show alot more worth it
 * 09:37:54: RenzXVI: I quit watching because they kept introducing new characters that are just extras, stopped expanding on the old ones and barely has any action lately, just weirdness.
 * 09:38:15: YulFusKrad: thats true
 * 09:38:29: YulFusKrad: but finn is the worse one
 * 09:38:35: YulFusKrad: no backstory
 * 09:39:07: RenzXVI: He sorta does.
 * 09:39:31: RenzXVI: I really like the episode "The Tower" Where he just wants to punch his dad in the face and tear his arm off. I could relate.
 * 09:40:21: YulFusKrad: i mean u dont even know how he became alone and why
 * 09:41:57: YulFusKrad: honestly renz i tried my best to stop that religion debate
 * 09:42:03: YulFusKrad: they wouldnt listen
 * 09:47:44: YulFusKrad: renz i jus realize something
 * 09:56:53: KINMUNE: Hello there, Scp-1471!
 * 09:57:10: YulFusKrad: scp :D
 * 09:57:20: Scp-1471: Hey
 * 09:57:22: Scp-1471: Sup
 * 09:57:37: YulFusKrad: sad a little but well
 * 09:57:55: Scp-1471: What, why?
 * 09:58:23: YulFusKrad: well there was a arguement and i and renz tried ending it
 * 09:58:42: YulFusKrad: eventually it did
 * 11:28:25: KINMUNE: Hello there, CarloV3r!
 * 11:31:15: YulFusKrad: carl
 * 11:31:22: YulFusKrad: i got the blades at full strength
 * 11:32:33: CarloV3r: Oh, nice.
 * 11:32:41: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Reincarnation Of Akatosh!
 * 11:32:44: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Good morning all!
 * 11:32:46: CarloV3r: Hi \o
 * 11:33:18: YulFusKrad: hi
 * 11:33:21: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: There was another religion debate around 5.
 * 11:33:52: CarloV3r: That tends to happen when Shawn's in the chat.
 * 11:40:27: CarloV3r: Link?
 * 11:40:29: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: He posted fifty "Baeasbbga"...
 * 11:40:57: CarloV3r: Can you link me?
 * 11:41:00: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: https://eu.alienwarearena.com/forums/board/113/off-topic-4 read all the "About 3 hours ago"
 * 11:41:33: CarloV3r: Oh I thought you meant on the TES boards :P
 * 11:41:52: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I've been trying to stop the inevitable failing of the forum.
 * 11:42:15: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: It gives free games to level 5+s. So there's a lot of spam.
 * 11:42:59: CarloV3r: Lol
 * 11:43:28: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Yeah... The Giveaways need to be stopped in my opinion.
 * 11:48:29: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: How is everyone?
 * 11:49:09: KINMUNE: Hello there, YulFusKrad!
 * 11:49:43: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: /me punches KINMUNE
 * 11:49:45: KINMUNE: Krii Lun Aus!
 * 11:50:46: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: /me hugs KINMUNE
 * 11:50:47: KINMUNE: I need a shower...
 * 12:15:31: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
 * 12:27:40: KINMUNE: Chat seems dead, we need a necromancer!
 * 12:39:39: KINMUNE: I'm bored.
 * 12:51:36: KINMUNE: Chat seems dead, we need a necromancer!
 * 12:53:47: KINMUNE: Hello there, Azura's Doctor!
 * 12:54:08: Azura's Doctor: hi guys, im back
 * 12:55:19: Azura's Doctor: ok
 * 12:55:38: Azura's Doctor: i need a necromancer
 * 12:57:21: KINMUNE: Hello there, Flightmare!
 * 13:05:54: Azura's Doctor: hi flight
 * 13:21:58: KINMUNE: Hello there, Shockstorm!
 * 13:22:28: Shockstorm: hey
 * 13:24:48: CarloV3r: \o
 * 13:26:56: Shockstorm: were having new carpet put in, so most of the house is just wood floors lol
 * 13:27:05: Shockstorm: kinda annoying but eh
 * 13:27:45: CarloV3r: Lol
 * 13:28:10: CarloV3r: We've always had wood floors.
 * 13:28:29: CarloV3r: But the guy didn't put it in correctly, so everytime it's a little rainy outside there's gaps between the boards.
 * 13:28:36: Shockstorm: oh, fun
 * 13:28:52: Shockstorm: we have mexicans coming in today to put the carpet down
 * 13:29:03: Shockstorm: excuse me, *mariachi-Americans
 * 13:29:39: CarloV3r: Did you pick the up from the side of the road?
 * 13:32:21: Shockstorm: no actually
 * 13:32:29: Shockstorm: we got from home depot
 * 13:34:08: Azura's Doctor: im back
 * 13:35:02: Azura's Doctor: brace yourself
 * 13:37:26: Shockstorm: oh baby
 * 13:37:55: Azura's Doctor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPwCmU0V-Q&ab_channel=Xeravik
 * 13:37:57: KINMUNE: Sovngarde (Full Lyrics and Translation)
 * 13:39:39: Shockstorm: hey
 * 13:39:42: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Hey Flight. I'd thought I'd tell you this. Reply #10 is spam.
 * 13:40:08: Starkiller131: Shocky! :D
 * 13:40:12: Azura's Doctor: hi
 * 13:40:24: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: /me punches KINMUNE
 * 13:40:26: KINMUNE: Zun Haal Viik!
 * 13:40:27: Shockstorm: :>
 * 13:41:55: CarloV3r: Deleted, Troa
 * 13:44:18: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Thanks. I just saw it, and wanted to report it, but couldn't find how.
 * 13:48:46: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I'm probably going to play ESO this weekend.
 * 13:49:04: Shockstorm: did you just buy it?
 * 13:49:53: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: No. I've had it, just been busy.
 * 13:50:05: Shockstorm: ah. yeah its pretty fun imo
 * 13:50:15: Shockstorm: make sure to install/update ahead of time cuz it takes a long time
 * 13:50:36: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I know. I'm going to install it tonight if possible.
 * 13:51:08: Flightmare: hi o/
 * 13:51:11: Flightmare: was a bit AFK
 * 13:52:02: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Hey.
 * 13:52:27: Shockstorm: have you thought about class/race choices?
 * 13:52:37: Shockstorm: I'm a stamina-based redguard dragonknight
 * 13:53:44: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I likely will do a rogue playthrough. That's actually my strong suit in almost every game.
 * 13:53:55: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Isn't that Shadowblade.
 * 13:54:29: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Be back later.
 * 13:54:52: Shockstorm: oh dang. but yeah nightblade
 * 13:56:45: Shockstorm: hey Flight if you're not busy, could you look into the template stuff I posted on your talk a while back?
 * 13:56:54: Shockstorm: was just thinkin about that
 * 13:57:44: Flightmare: I have a few minutes
 * 13:57:55: Flightmare: Remind me, what template?
 * 13:58:27: Shockstorm: the stuff like Template:M and Template:W
 * 13:58:38: Shockstorm: trying to pipe them or otherwise get them to link to specific games
 * 13:58:41: Flightmare: Ah yes
 * 13:58:58: Flightmare: I recently made something for Legends that looks like this.
 * 13:59:04: Flightmare: I'd prefer having it done in Lua
 * 13:59:12: Flightmare: as piping templates get extremely complicated if large.
 * 13:59:44: Flightmare: I think I can handle it the way Template:LegendsIcon does.
 * 14:00:11: Shockstorm: ah ok, thanks
 * 14:00:21: Flightmare: The only difference in the real world would be we'd have to comma separate them instead of piped
 * 14:00:30: Flightmare: but Lua will get the job done much faster
 * 14:01:07: Flightmare: g2g now o/
 * 14:01:12: Shockstorm: see ya
 * 14:06:54: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ned1230!
 * 14:07:03: Ned1230: Ayyyyyyyy
 * 14:27:44: KINMUNE: Diil Qoth Zaam!
 * 14:32:02: YulFusKrad: im so fuckin pissed
 * 14:38:21: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ashley Kirshbaum!
 * 14:38:23: KINMUNE: Hello there, Scp-1471!
 * 14:39:18: Ashley Kirshbaum: i see this chat is dead
 * 14:45:07: Ashley Kirshbaum: hi
 * 14:45:55: Starkiller131: Hi.
 * 14:46:01: Ashley Kirshbaum: what's up?
 * 14:46:20: YulFusKrad: well im kinda pissed
 * 14:46:25: Starkiller131: Playing skyrim.
 * 14:46:25: Ashley Kirshbaum: why?
 * 14:46:48: YulFusKrad: cauyse my neice threw a fit because i asked her to sit in the chair for her grandma to finish with the bathroom
 * 14:47:04: YulFusKrad: and my dad brought her to his office and gave her candy
 * 14:47:27: Ashley Kirshbaum: that's not what one should do with kids who throw a fit
 * 14:47:35: YulFusKrad: exactly
 * 14:47:40: Ashley Kirshbaum: you shouldn't reward such behaviour
 * 14:47:45: YulFusKrad: ikr
 * 14:47:51: YulFusKrad: am i the only one who sees that
 * 14:47:59: YulFusKrad: and my mom excuses him
 * 14:48:11: YulFusKrad: its complete bs
 * 14:48:17: YulFusKrad: she wont learn right
 * 14:48:22: Ashley Kirshbaum: ^
 * 14:48:39: Ashley Kirshbaum: she will learn that throwing fits will get her candy
 * 14:48:44: YulFusKrad: yea
 * 14:48:53: YulFusKrad: i fear that it wont be the right kind in the future
 * 14:49:10: YulFusKrad: if she does that in public atleast
 * 14:50:31: YulFusKrad: i jus cleared runvald and im still a bit pissed
 * 14:50:37: YulFusKrad: might kill windhelm
 * 14:50:40: YulFusKrad: idk
 * 14:50:53: YulFusKrad: i want to kill the black smith there majorly
 * 14:50:55: Ashley Kirshbaum: make sure to save before you kill everyone
 * 14:51:11: YulFusKrad: i know
 * 14:51:29: YulFusKrad: and why am i having tentacle explosion when no enemy is around
 * 14:51:50: YulFusKrad: nvm that
 * 14:51:52: YulFusKrad: spider
 * 14:52:46: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: How is everyone?
 * 14:52:47: Ashley Kirshbaum: hi aka
 * 14:52:54: Ashley Kirshbaum: i'm well, you?
 * 14:52:58: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ikabite!
 * 14:53:00: Ashley Kirshbaum: hi
 * 14:53:06: Ikabite: Hi.
 * 14:53:27: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Want to play ESO This weekend, But the brother I "used" to have is visiting this weekend.
 * 14:53:41: YulFusKrad: u know ima save in windhelm and kill all that can be killed
 * 14:53:53: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I sometimes think of disowning him.
 * 14:53:57: Ashley Kirshbaum: the brother you used to have? you had a falling out?
 * 14:54:09: Ikabite: He doesn't love him anymore.
 * 14:54:13: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: The happiest day of my life was when he moved out.
 * 14:54:22: Ikabite: He found somebody else to buttfuck, hence, he isn't a brother anymore.
 * 14:54:52: Ashley Kirshbaum: ^
 * 14:55:07: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: That's not something to be proud of.
 * 14:55:34: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: /me kills Ika
 * 14:55:45: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I struggle sometimes.
 * 14:56:27: Ikabite: Why would Ulfric approve.
 * 14:56:34: Ikabite: I'm a Nord, afterall.
 * 14:56:52: Ashley Kirshbaum: skyrim belongs to the Dunmer!
 * 14:57:01: Ikabite: Dunmer can eat ass.
 * 14:57:14: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: No... Ika is a High Elf.
 * 14:57:35: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: He was made to appear as a nord through thalmor magic.
 * 14:57:36: Ikabite: Well, I wouldn't mind. Super long life-spans, superior technology and military.
 * 14:57:42: Ikabite: Life's great as an Altmer.
 * 14:57:51: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: (ulfric) would kill you.
 * 14:58:04: Ashley Kirshbaum: so would the empire, in the next war
 * 14:58:16: Ikabite: Empire can't beat Dominion.
 * 14:58:29: Ikabite: Dominion wins.
 * 14:58:43: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I hate how people "Forget" that Ulfric awoke Alduin, and at one point was a Thalmor agent.
 * 14:58:57: Ikabite: He wasn't a Thalmor agent.
 * 14:59:03: Ashley Kirshbaum: he didn't and he wasn't
 * 14:59:24: Ikabite: Where did you get all that?
 * 15:00:01: Ikabite: Ash.
 * 15:00:06: Ikabite: Make my beard grow.
 * 15:00:08: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: "When the snow tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding, the World-Eater shall awaken, and the wheel shall turn upon the last dragonborn" he killed Torygg, and His dossier states that they made direct contact with him.
 * 15:00:09: Ikabite: Proper.
 * 15:00:21: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: /me grows Ika's beard like Sheogorath
 * 15:00:34: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Cheese for everyone, oh wait, cheese for nobody.
 * 15:01:34: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thalmor_Dossier%3A_Ulfric_Stormcloak
 * 15:03:07: KINMUNE: Hello there, ~*LilithRayn*~!
 * 15:03:11: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Hey Lilith.
 * 15:03:13: Ikabite: He wasn't Thalmor agent.
 * 15:03:16: Ashley Kirshbaum: hi
 * 15:03:19: ~*LilithRayn*~: o.
 * 15:03:22: Ikabite: He was played by the Thalmor, manipulated.
 * 15:03:33: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I meant to say asset. Kind of busy preparing for my "brother"
 * 15:03:40: Ikabite: Knowingly or unknowingly we won't know.
 * 15:03:46: Ikabite: Maybe he played them too.
 * 15:03:49: Ikabite: Maybe he was unaware.
 * 15:03:52: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.
 * 15:04:13: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Stated in book.
 * 15:04:33: KINMUNE: Hello there, Legate Rob Round Belly!
 * 15:04:48: Ashley Kirshbaum: hi legate
 * 15:04:50: Legate Rob Round Belly: hello
 * 15:05:15: ~*LilithRayn*~: Flight!!!
 * 15:05:16: Ashley Kirshbaum: hi flight
 * 15:05:18: Legate Rob Round Belly: hello
 * 15:05:21: Flightmare: o/
 * 15:05:43: Flightmare: like any other day
 * 15:05:55: Flightmare: But I did get some cool other stuff.
 * 15:06:00: ~*LilithRayn*~: Oh?
 * 15:06:14: Flightmare: Wikia gave me the code to make KINMUNE work on /d
 * 15:06:22: Ashley Kirshbaum: nice
 * 15:06:24: Legate Rob Round Belly: I spent 25 dollars on horses on ESO...
 * 15:06:25: ~*LilithRayn*~: No way!!!
 * 15:06:39: ~*LilithRayn*~: lol Rob
 * 15:07:02: Legate Rob Round Belly: it was those 3 900 crown horses...
 * 15:07:03: Flightmare: I could make her scan new posts for spam
 * 15:07:14: Flightmare: and report it
 * 15:08:01: Flightmare: Had some other talks too about discussions
 * 15:08:26: ~*LilithRayn*~: That's going to be awesome. lol What other talks?
 * 15:08:35: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I swear my dog hates me.
 * 15:08:41: ~*LilithRayn*~: awww
 * 15:08:46: ~*LilithRayn*~: Dogs can't hate.
 * 15:08:54: Ashley Kirshbaum: yes they can
 * 15:08:56: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: She turned my volume to 100.
 * 15:08:59: Ashley Kirshbaum: they are evil creatures
 * 15:09:08: ~*LilithRayn*~: No, they are too sweet and wonderful
 * 15:09:10: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I have 4 chihuahuas and a boxer?
 * 15:09:12: ~*LilithRayn*~: Cats however...
 * 15:09:19: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: I hate cats.
 * 15:09:19: Ashley Kirshbaum: cats are cool
 * 15:09:43: ~*LilithRayn*~: Cats suck
 * 15:09:48: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: ^
 * 15:09:54: Ashley Kirshbaum: cats are cute
 * 15:10:00: Legate Rob Round Belly: i hate cats.
 * 15:10:01: Ashley Kirshbaum: i love them
 * 15:10:07: Legate Rob Round Belly: they evil.
 * 15:10:17: Flightmare: Cats control you mind.
 * 15:10:19: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Cats are hideous and deceiving vile creatures.
 * 15:10:19: Flightmare: your*
 * 15:10:34: Flightmare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj8l1Un9Jrs
 * 15:10:35: KINMUNE: Cats Are Controlling Your Mind!
 * 15:10:53: ~*LilithRayn*~: Cats are rude, and mean, and stinky.
 * 15:11:48: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Khajiit produce skooma. And they are cats!
 * 15:12:02: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: They are all evil
 * 15:12:46: YulFusKrad: raven
 * 15:12:51: YulFusKrad: where did u hear that
 * 15:13:25: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: ?Question about ESO. If You are in a different alliance, can you play with people in the Aldmeri dominion
 * 15:13:35: ~*LilithRayn*~: Ruuruu, my name is Cat, I heard my aunt say it to my (ex)bf one day. lol
 * 15:14:24: ~*LilithRayn*~: Carlo.. *pokepokepokepoke*
 * 15:14:33: YulFusKrad: lol
 * 15:14:37: YulFusKrad: its a rumor
 * 15:14:48: The Reincarnation Of Akatosh: Cat's are evil.
 * 15:14:51: ~*LilithRayn*~: Sorry, Akatosh, I don't know anything about ESO.
 * 15:15:04: Ashley Kirshbaum: cats are way better than dogs
 * 15:15:22: ~*LilithRayn*~: Nope
 * 15:15:36: ~*LilithRayn*~: I can run my dogs crap over with a lawnmower and never have to smell it.
 * 15:15:42: ~*LilithRayn*~: Cats though...
 * 15:15:51: ~*LilithRayn*~: Get mad and pee on things.
 * 15:15:51: Ashley Kirshbaum: cats are friendly. dogs always bark at me.
 * 15:15:55: ~*LilithRayn*~: Awww
 * 15:16:08: Legate Rob Round Belly: cats scratch your eyes out
 * 15:16:26: ~*LilithRayn*~: Maybe the dogs just want you to love them, Ashley
 * 15:16:27: CarloV3r: Oh I'm still in the chat
 * 15:16:30: ~*LilithRayn*~: lol o.
 * 15:16:35: YulFusKrad: i think i jus killed all of windhelm
 * 15:16:41: YulFusKrad: in a rage
 * 15:16:43: ~*LilithRayn*~: xd
 * 15:16:50: Legate Rob Round Belly: kill ulfric
 * 15:16:53: YulFusKrad: ashley can fill u in
 * 15:17:02: YulFusKrad: on why i was pissed
 * 15:17:12: Legate Rob Round Belly: ulfric is my boy
 * 15:17:22: YulFusKrad: i already did
 * 15:17:27: Legate Rob Round Belly: good
 * 15:17:29: YulFusKrad: otherwise id fus ro dah him
 * 15:18:21: YulFusKrad: oh wait
 * 15:18:25: YulFusKrad: the gray quarters
 * 15:18:30: YulFusKrad: i forgot them
 * 15:18:32: Legate Rob Round Belly: What do yall think about oblivion mobile?
 * 15:18:37: Ashley Kirshbaum: idk
 * 15:18:44: YulFusKrad: ashley
 * 15:18:50: YulFusKrad: since i already got a bounty
 * 15:18:53: YulFusKrad: and saved
 * 15:19:03: YulFusKrad: i might as well kill the gray quarters
 * 15:19:06: Ashley Kirshbaum: no
 * 15:19:13: Ashley Kirshbaum: dunmer are superior
 * 15:19:14: Legate Rob Round Belly: they visuals would be so bad.
 * 15:19:23: YulFusKrad: i know but i said id kill all of windhelm
 * 15:19:39: Ashley Kirshbaum: leave the grey quarter alone
 * 15:19:55: Legate Rob Round Belly: myfather lives there
 * 15:20:05: Legate Rob Round Belly: unlien zanik!
 * 15:20:46: Legate Rob Round Belly: RIP innocent dark elfs
 * 15:20:59: YulFusKrad: hey it dont matter im still a tiny bit angry
 * 15:21:03: YulFusKrad: they can help
 * 15:21:39: Legate Rob Round Belly: have a sweet roll (sweetroll)
 * 15:21:55: Legate Rob Round Belly: that will help\
 * 15:22:02: YulFusKrad: i need mead
 * 15:22:04: ~*LilithRayn*~: (mead)
 * 15:22:05: YulFusKrad: not jus any
 * 15:22:18: YulFusKrad: argonian bloodwine
 * 15:22:48: Ashley Kirshbaum: wine isn't mead
 * 15:22:54: YulFusKrad: to me its better
 * 15:23:27: Legate Rob Round Belly: yeah, its not mead.