Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-1738746-20151021052251/@comment-26896471-20151021104537

I was concerned at the last Moot that there was no designated Moot leader, although I thought Atv picked this role up very well. I very much agree that for future Moots there should be one designated in advance, although again, it was Atv in the event, and I think he did a very good job.

I also very much agree that there should be a limit on the number of topics an individual can present. I also agree that someway of working out to what extent what has been discussed in previous Moots needs taking into account. Defining what is within the remit, as opposed to a CT, for example, will also be very very useful. The importance of letting the presenter present is also important. I also agree on principle with a lot of your main points regarding procedure, however, I don't think the citations provided in the blog, or indeed the last Moot, are effective examples of these points, particularly in their finer details.

The very first reference of your blog cites a quote which was very much relevent to the discussion. Consulting the Kinmune's logs will show that this was explained not only by me but also a Chat Mod. The point here is if only one user doesn't think what is being talked about is not relevant, the discussion can't just be stopped. These things need to be kept moving. So while in principle, yes, relevance is important, it is not up to one user (except the Moot leader, in this case Atv) to decide what is relevant and should be talked about

A quick point on your aesthetic changes paragraph. I would simply not have been able to present the Featured Image suggestion if I had to create a mock-up in Sandbox. I don't know how to even make a sandbox, let alone recreate the Wiki's front page inside it. That policy will freeze out reasonable suggestions from those wihout experience. I think, in this instance, the change is small enough to just simply be done. If it doesn't work, changes can be made.

You cite the voting at the last Moot as an example of "rushed voting". The citations you provide do not really show this, and are actually taken slightly out of context. For the first citation in "7", it was stated very clearly by Atvelonis just before voting commenced that the vote was for the policy to go through. It was only you who had not caught onto this point. Admiral Reagis' position is ambiguous, here. 9 people voted in favour of the Motion, and nine people had understood that this is what they wanted. Trying to undermine the vote based on the assumption that they hadn't understood is frankly a bit undemocratic, and will only further slow down the whole process uneccessarily. CCC said at that point "Why are we voting on a policy that we think is flawed?" We, as a group, didn't think it was flawed. Only one user thought it was flawed, and therefore they voted opposed, as is procedure. See Citation 19 on Blue's blog on this point. Even if at ths is point one user thinks it is flawed, if 7/8/9 do not, then we must move on. Again, while I agree in principle, you can't wait until a vote is unanimous until it is passed, which, in practice, based on the example provided, is what would have had to have happened.

On that theme, due to the nature of the Moot and any meeting online, it is very, very difficult to wait for one user who is behind. The nature of Chat is that when you have many users, it is likely that they'll all be typing over each other simultaneously. In this instance, when I was lostt, I found simply scrolling back to check what has and has not been said as the best option. This is largely a response to your last point about "respect". I notice, by reading through the logs, that many of your comments that got lost were one worded, or at least very short. I think it is highly likely that these were simply missed than any lack of respect being shown.

But I was going to try and chat with CCC about the things you've raised here after last weeks Moot, so I'm very pleased that you were able to do it. The more people who attend the Moot, the more important it will be to make sure the Moot rules are clarified and enforced.