User:ゆ/Moot 28-06-15

1:00

Atvelonis

Alright, right now is technically the time when the moot starts

1:00

Madman97

It's time for the Moot everyone. Anyone who is not here for it, please take your conversations to the PM's.

1:00

Atvelonis

We'll wait 10 minutes for everyone to show up though

1:00

King of the nerds

all hail to dovahkiin you are the emperor in your great honor we fuck whores

1:00

Madman97

Well, I suppose we can let people talk while we wait.

1:00

ゆ

Auto is a no-show, as is CCC and Jarjar

1:01

Madman97

Your sure?

1:01

RenzXVl

Jarjar was here but bailed for some reason...

1:01

Atvelonis

Really? Would've thought at least CCC and Jarjar would have shown up.

That's unusual

Well for Jarjar it's like 2am this isn't really surprising

1:01

Madman97

Did they message you or something?

1:01

ゆ

Well, they've signed up, but they're not here

1:01

Madman97

Oh well we can wait ten minutes.

1:01

Atvelonis

I'm talking to CCC on FB, he isn't answering

Probably just busy

But he'll show

1:01

King of the nerds

Like it know parody of age of appression

1:02

Madman97

If they arrive late, no problem.

Opression, Nerd.

1:02

King of the nerds

Age of dovahkiin

1:02

ゆ

As preperation, if and when Jarjar comes, the topic at hand will be: Update Guilds, Warning Templates, Adding TESWiki Category to Project, Archiving Archives, Report Code Ideas, Archiving Nominations for Articles

1:02

Madman97

Yeah, I got it all down already.

1:02

QueenFinelia

I think he means age of aggression

1:02

Madman97

I have the Moot page open and I can see everyones topics.

1:02

Atvelonis

I do as well

If Jarjar doesn't show up are you going to do the presentation for him madman?

1:03

ゆ

Saying it in here for officialness' sake

1:03

Madman97

I can't. Moot leader must not be biased in any way.

1:03

Atvelonis

Oh yes

Forgot

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1:03

Madman97

However, if someone here can do it for him...

1:03

ゆ

I don't know what he would be presenting

1:03

Atvelonis

Yo my man dovah

1:03

ゆ

Sup Dovah

1:03

Madman97

Hey Dovah.

1:04

Dovahsebrom

so is the moot going now

1:04

QueenFinelia

soon

1:04

Madman97

We're waiting ten minutes for everyone to arrive.

1:04

Atvelonis

We're waiting a few minutes for everyone to show up

1:04

ゆ

We're waiting for a few late guys

1:04

QueenFinelia

6 minutes

Emperor Jarjarkine has joined the chat.

1:04

Madman97

Aha!

1:04

Atvelonis

Oh good

1:04

Madman97

Knew he'd be here.

1:04

Atvelonis

hey jarjar

1:04

ゆ

There's Jarjar, at least

1:04

Emperor Jarjarkine

Hey hey sorry for being late !

1:05

Madman97

CCC isn't presenting, so it's no big deal if he doesn't show.

1:05

ゆ

We'll have to go without Auto and CCC.

1:05

Emperor Jarjarkine

I'm not at home currently  :/

1:05

Madman97

The Presenters are here at least.

Where you at Jarjar?

1:06

Emperor Jarjarkine

I'm in my friend's home

1:06

Madman97

I see.

1:06

ゆ

Well, then, shall we begin? What you wanna talk about, jarjar?

1:06

RenzXVl

Make your friend join the moot  XD

1:06

Madman97

Well hold on now.

Ten minutes was the time we wait.

1:06

Atvelonis

Four now

1:06

Madman97

Yeah

1:06

RenzXVl

Ok, I will shut up now... Goodluck guys. :D

1:07

Madman97

And as proper procedure goes, I will give the introductions and everyone will be quiet and I will as Jarjar to procede.

"I will ask"

Three minutes

1:07

ゆ

We gotta make a rule for being tardy for the next one

1:07

Madman97

You can bring it up when you go UAM

1:08

ゆ

Will do, I'll take note of it.

1:08

Emperor Jarjarkine

Really sorry

1:08

Atvelonis

Nah it's alright jarjar

1:08

Madman97

Ten minute tardiness is not much to fret over. It's after that time is the concern.

As Moot Leader, I will be keeping track of votes.

1:09

QueenFinelia

more people will probably join through out

1:09

Emperor Jarjarkine

I'll take care of the log/summary

1:09

Madman97

Perhaps I can PM someone the results so to keep record? Atvelonis, would you mind?

1:09

Atvelonis

Sure

That works

1:10

Emperor Jarjarkine

Can I have the MP as well ?

1:10

Madman97

Don't see why not.

1:10

Atvelonis

Sure

8:10 now, let's get started

Madman?

1:10

Madman97

Ok everyone it's time! Please silence yourselves while I write the intro

Take all conversations to PM's.

Remember, interuppting anyone here is grounds for kicking!

1:12

Lord Vehk

Then I will sit quietly......

1:12

Madman97

Today we have three people presenting, EmperorJarjarkine, Atvelonis, and UAM. Emperor, please present your topics in the order of your choosing. State when you are completely finished and I will call for a discussion afterwards.

1:12

Emperor Jarjarkine

Sure

You are now away.

1:13

Madman97

I may ask you to present in the clearest manner possible. Proceed when ready.

1:13

Emperor Jarjarkine

So right now, I'd like to present you my code. I created a while ago and, i'm sure it'll be super useufull to everyone.

User:Emperor Jarjarkine/Report.js

When you are in the hist page,you'll see a link (report)

If you click on it, you'll get to the report page to report the vandalism

exemple, (cur | prev) 22:16, March 23, 2015‎ Emperor Jarjarkine (Talk | contribs | block)‎. . (4,160 bytes) (0)‎. . (rollback | undo | report | AJAX Undo)

Done.

Madman ? Your turn

1:16

Madman97

Thank you Everyone, please engage in an orderly discussion about Jarjar's idea. Support or Oppose?

As a Presenter, Jarjar can give his own vote.

1:16

Atvelonis

So it takes you to the Vandalism in progress page?

Like, does it report them automatically or do you still have to type the report yourself?

1:17

Emperor Jarjarkine

exacly but, in the edit mode of the section to report

you'll have to type it

You are no longer away.

1:17

ゆ

I was about to ask if accidetally clicking it would be an issue, but if it takes you to an edit screen, I see no reason why not

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1:18

Emperor Jarjarkine

I will try to update it so that it'll add the report automaticly but now, it only leads you to the edit mode on the proper section

1:18

Atvelonis

Look who showed up

1:18

Emperor Jarjarkine

Cheat !

1:18

ゆ

look who's mr. late

1:18

Cheatcodechamp

sry, was asleep

1:18

Atvelonis

Anyway, I suppose this couldn't hurt

CCC it's like 8 why are you asleep

1:18

Cheatcodechamp

tired

1:18

Madman97

Excellent, CCC. We were just having a discussion on Jarjar's idea. Feel free to jump in.

1:18

Emperor Jarjarkine

xD

1:18

Madman97

I would recommend reading through it first above

1:19

ゆ

Should we use the  (y) and  (n) emotes to give our vote?

1:19

Madman97

Just say Support or Oppose. Not everyone knows how to do the emoticon

1:19

Atvelonis

(y)

( y )

1:19

Dovahsebrom

(y)

1:19

ゆ

(y)

1:19

Madman97

Or we could just show it.

(y)

1:19

Emperor Jarjarkine

(y) As the nominator

1:19

QueenFinelia

MediaWiki:Emoticons

1:19

Madman97

Motion passed  XD

1:20

Cheatcodechamp

Yay

1:20

Madman97

Alright, back on track.

1:20

Cheatcodechamp

What is it?

1:20

Madman97

Emperor, please explain.

1:20

Cheatcodechamp

Atve sent me a link

Im late Ill catch up later

1:20

Madman97

Everyone else, please continue.

After a set amount of time, I'll call for a vote.

To make room for other subjects.

1:21

ゆ

What's the set amount of time?

1:21

Madman97

When it seems to go on too long. I don't have the details hammered down.

1:22

Atvelonis

Hold on Jarjar, would we activate this ourselves by doing a /Report.js thing?

Or would it go in the wiki's CSS?

1:22

Emperor Jarjarkine

Wiki's JS

1:22

Atvelonis

Yeah JS

What I meant

Ok gotcha

1:22

Emperor Jarjarkine

aye

So, here i go for the second topic

1:22

Madman97

Wait a sec

We should decide on this topic now.

1:23

Atvelonis

(y)

1:23

ゆ

It's 5 support to 0 opposes

1:23

Dovahsebrom

Thought we already did

1:23

Madman97

So we don't have one big deiscussion about all of them later.

1:23

Atvelonis

Yeah that's what those 5  (y) were earlier

1:23

Madman97

Oh, I thought that was just to show the emoticon

Alright, 5 to 0.

Support. Motion passed.

Ill keep it down.

Emperor, next topic please.

1:24

Emperor Jarjarkine

Now, about the guilds.


 * So yeah, When I created the guild project with 3C, I gave him few suggestions but, I told him that If the project was working, I'd create an update with few changes So since so far, the guild project is a succes, i created this update[User:Emperor Jarjarkine/Update of the Guild : User:Emperor Jarjarkine/Update of the Guild] Now the new things are

different

As you can see, there's a taskboard

So 1) Anyone who takes on a job gets points that goes towards a nomination for member of the month for the guild in question. The person with the most gets the spot.

2) We can now work on an article under the name of the guild and then, nominate it for a status.

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1:27

Emperor Jarjarkine

So yeah, every updates are on the page. I'm now done.

1:27

Madman97

Everyone, please discuss.

1:27

ゆ

Are those 2 points the only changes?

1:27

Emperor Jarjarkine

Well, yeah

1:28

ゆ

Alright, apologies, I'm not too familiar with the Guild system.

1:28

Dovahsebrom

Can you elaborate a bit more on the first change? Are you saying each guild has their own MOTM?

1:29

Emperor Jarjarkine

exacly

1:29

Atvelonis

Will this have any correlation to the normal MOTM?

1:29

Emperor Jarjarkine

ah and also, for the task board, the pages there are at the master's discretion, like the reward but, it must be 100-500 gold

not at all

1:29

ゆ

Seems fun, I like the idea of multiple MotMs, especially when multiple strong users come through in one month

1:29

Atvelonis

So it'd just be a guild thing

1:29

Emperor Jarjarkine

Yeah

If I make any other updates,i'll tell you during the next meetings

1:30

ゆ

I like the added incentive for regular editors to continue their work, it's like in and of itself.

As a result, I give it up a big fat  (y)

1:31

Atvelonis

Yeah, I think it'll encourage people to work in the guilds more

(y)

1:31

Dovahsebrom

It might create competition though

1:31

Atvelonis

That's the point I think

1:31

ゆ

Competition is great

1:31

Atvelonis

Make them compete

1:31

Emperor Jarjarkine

hé hé hé

1:31

Atvelonis

So they work harder

Pump out better articles

1:31

Emperor Jarjarkine

And, it cannot be turned in crappy edits for points

Unlike the badges

1:32

Madman97

I got two  (y) down for Support. Can I get another say?

1:32

Emperor Jarjarkine

well, you should start the vote ?

1:32

Dovahsebrom

I'm just not sure if that would work out well for the lore guild

1:32

Emperor Jarjarkine

we were just discussing right ?

1:32

Atvelonis

Dovah

You are like

Godly

I'm sure we could change it a bit

Make it byte-based rather than article-based

Or something

1:33

Emperor Jarjarkine

If it doesn't, I'll find a way to make it work so it'll suite the guild

1:33

Madman97

@Jarjar. Well people were tossing their supports in. Votes can be in discussion I guess. Make it run faster

1:33

ゆ

I'm just sitting here in my lack of a guild like  :(

1:33

Madman97

Votes can change

1:34

Dovahsebrom

I'll just say I'm neutral

1:34

Madman97

That's no vote. Anyone else have a say?

1:34

Atvelonis

CCC?

1:34

Madman97

It is encouraged EVERYONE speaks.

1:34

Cheatcodechamp

Im in support of it

1:34

QueenFinelia

(y)

1:34

Emperor Jarjarkine

well I  (y)

1:35

Atvelonis

We can work out the details as we go

1:35

Cheatcodechamp

I talked with Jarjar in the passed about this, liked it then, and want to see how it playes out

1:35

ゆ

That's 3 more votes

1:35

Madman97

We got five supports, no opposes. Anyone else?

1:35

Cheatcodechamp

Also, darn nap made me groggy...

I think its settled

1:35

Madman97

Anyone else?

Going once...

1:36

ゆ

KINMUNE, give a vote pls

1:36

Madman97

Going twice...

1:36

QueenFinelia

lol can it do that?

1:36

ゆ

nah

wish it could

1:36

QueenFinelia

yeah

1:37

Madman97

SOLD. Next topic Please, Jarjar!

1:37

Emperor Jarjarkine

Here i am !

The next oneS and yeah, i said S, will be about Archiving

This week ,I worked on a way to archive the archives. Let me explain.

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1:38

Emperor Jarjarkine

I made a code that desable the archives so that we wont be able to edit it, since it's an archive anyway.

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1:38

Emperor Jarjarkine

For the pages abou the elder scrolls Wika only so, not the discussions pages, look at this:

The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Requests for removal of user rights/Archive/Game Lore

So, yeah if it it's accepted, i'll take care of the update

Madman, your turn !

1:40

Madman97

Everyone, please discuss

1:40

ゆ

Whaaa-?

I'm not quite sure what this would mean

1:41

Emperor Jarjarkine

It would mean that, the archives wont be editable

Since it's an archive anyway

1:41

ゆ

Does this effect user talk-pages?

1:41

Emperor Jarjarkine

if you put it on it, it will

1:41

Cheatcodechamp

So admin would not have to lock it, and nobody could tamper with anything?

1:41

Atvelonis

Ehhhh

What about links?

We move pages around fairly often

1:42

Emperor Jarjarkine

yes cheat

what do you mean ?

1:42

Cheatcodechamp

I am recalling a problem a while back where somebody was messing with archives and causing some problems with it. This would prevent further assault

Renameing articles

1:43

ゆ

Assault that can just as easily be prevented with checking edit history

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1:43

Cheatcodechamp

We fix all redlinks, including talk pages, if we do a rename, is it still possbile for a admin to fix the link?

1:43

Emperor Jarjarkine

yeah

1:43

Atvelonis

I am not huge on this idea

1:43

Emperor Jarjarkine

In fact, this is mostly effective against vandals

but, normally, when you go on the page, you'll see that the buton is editable for a few seconds

before the code get acived


 * actived

So, you wont be unable to do anything

So, it isn't a problem for any of us here

it'S just to prevent the trolls or thoses who shouldn't edit an archive, to edit it

1:45

Atvelonis

Meh

It'll make it a lot harder for people to fix links

1:45

ゆ

What if, I, a user with no additional right see a redlink that needs redirecting, am I unable to fix this?

1:45

Emperor Jarjarkine

You are

wow

No you aren't

you can still fix it

1:46

Atvelonis

Wait, but isn't it sysop-locked?

1:46

Emperor Jarjarkine

Nope

1:46

ゆ

Only user-locked? No anons?

1:46

Emperor Jarjarkine

try clicking on the button

that's the special thing

1:47

Cheatcodechamp

Yeah, I cant touch it

1:47

ゆ

I can, I just have to click visual editor

1:47

Emperor Jarjarkine

so, the cheat or glitch is that, when the page is charging, the code is not activated so, you can already click on the button and you'll edit with no problem

1:48

Cheatcodechamp

@UAM, you cant save any changes

1:48

Emperor Jarjarkine

and any way, i added a warning template

1:48

RenzXVl

Byebye KINMUNE... I'll miss you! :D Goodnight...

1:48

Atvelonis

How are we supposed to fix links if we can't edit it? I don't really get this

1:48

ゆ

i can't do what now? The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Requests for removal of user rights/Archive/Game Lore?diff=1922580&oldid=1918794

1:49

Cheatcodechamp

If you use VE, it wont save the edit, its locked

1:49

Emperor Jarjarkine

Atv,

1:49

ゆ

it just did

1:49

Emperor Jarjarkine

when the page charges, the code isn't working

so when you get on the page, and it is still loading

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1:49

Emperor Jarjarkine

you can click on the edit button, fix your link and publis

1:50

Atvelonis

It just says "Archived" where the edit button would normally be though

1:50

ゆ

I'm going to go  (n) I'm afraid, it seems pretty over-complicated for an issue that barely exists, and I could just make an edit regardless of the code.

1:51

Emperor Jarjarkine

This affect the new users. And hopefully, with the warning on the page PLUS the button disabled

no one will try to mess with theses pages

1:51

Madman97

That's 1 Oppose, 0 Support.

1:51

Emperor Jarjarkine

Of course you can edit, i found 5 ways to edit but, I am not a new editor so i know how to but, let say Queen, she shouldn' try or know how to

1:52

Atvelonis

Eh, I can't say I have ever seen anyone openly vandalize an archive

1:52

Emperor Jarjarkine

So for us here, it isn't really a problem

1:52

Atvelonis

We can just sysop-lock them if it's a big deal

Which takes five seconds

1:52

Emperor Jarjarkine

It's just a prevention.

1:52

Cheatcodechamp

Im not sure how I feel about this. Archives only have had a few people here touch them, and they have been gone for awhile now, nost vandals only touch main articles

1:53

Emperor Jarjarkine

hmm

1:53

Cheatcodechamp

I love the idea, I feel it is to complex though, and it still have a go-around

1:53

ゆ

Any edits on an archive will immediately get caught on teh recent changes

Since it's an unusual edit

1:53

Emperor Jarjarkine

But the thing is, it isn't complex at all

1:53

Cheatcodechamp

But we should not rely on that, if none of us are here, things can get by

1:54

Atvelonis

I suppose it could be useful if we had people messing with archives, but the only person I know of to sort of do that left so it's not an issue

1:54

Emperor Jarjarkine

While i undersand your opinion Atve and uam, I think it's just a prevention, IN CASE (srry for the caps)

and with the message, it says that you have absolutly no reasons to edit the page.

1:55

Atvelonis

Vandals have absolutely no reason to vandalize, they still do it

Anyway

This is an unnecessary precaution, archive vandals are nonexistent

1:55

Cheatcodechamp

So I guess the question is, do we want extra protection for archives?

1:55

Atvelonis

Here at least

1:56

ゆ

Vandals are tenacious bastards, and those with the brain power to find the archives will take no time at all to find a work-around to the code.

1:56

Emperor Jarjarkine

xD

But, if they still do, we should give a one warning only

1:56

Cheatcodechamp

If we want to lock them, the best way would be to do what most lost archives do, and that would be an admin lock

1:57

Emperor Jarjarkine

The other thing I can suggest, it's a code on the AB filter

that would lock up the pages in the archives

1:57

Atvelonis

Ultimately I am going to have to vote  (n) on this one

1:57

Madman97

We have 2 Oppose, 0 Support.

1:58

ゆ

CCC, Dovah? And your own vote, Jarjar.

1:58

Madman97

Do we have anymore?

1:58

Cheatcodechamp

I love the concept, but I feel this is not the best way to lock them. Having an admin lock it would keep all but wiki admins and staff from doing anything

Sry Jar, It is a good idea, but I have to say no as well this time

1:59

Madman97

An option here is to form a consensus that builds on Jarjar's idea but in a different way. That's 3 Oppose, 0 Support.

1:59

Emperor Jarjarkine

but, if UAM wants to edit it, that's the problem of admin lock but, now, i belive you guys are rights.

2:00

Madman97

Is that a  (n) Jarjar?

2:00

ゆ

That's a concern for another day, if all archives are to be sysop-locked

2:00

Emperor Jarjarkine

But, I'll try to fix the problems you guys found

2:00

ゆ

Yeah, definitely, I want to see its development continue

2:00

Emperor Jarjarkine

yeah for now, I'll  (no)  :P

2:00

Madman97

4 Oppose, 0 Support. Anymore?

2:00

Atvelonis

Dovah?

2:01

Dovahsebrom

(n)

2:01

Madman97

5 Oppose, 0 Support. Anymore?

2:01

Emperor Jarjarkine

oh shit just forgot,

2:01

Madman97

UAM? Did you already vote?

2:01

Emperor Jarjarkine

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request of the removal of user rights from Game Lord. The result of the discussion was: Yes, he should be removed. Please do not modify it.

2:01

ゆ

Yes, I made the first vote

2:02

Madman97

Ok, just being sure. I think that's everyone who are presently here...

2:02

Emperor Jarjarkine

Is the text there fine on the archives,but not the protection right ?

2:02

Madman97

If someone wishes to vote now, please do so if you ave not yet.

"have"

2:02

ゆ

I would fine with that template on its own added to archives

2:03

QueenFinelia

I'm here but idk about this since I got disconnected

2:03

ゆ

The text, I mean

2:03

Atvelonis

There's a template added to talk page archives you get if you use the archivetool

2:03

Emperor Jarjarkine

yeah but, as you said, no boody look'S at the archives

2:03

Atvelonis

Something like that should probably go on normal archives too

Yeah

Unless for documentation

2:03

Emperor Jarjarkine

The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Requests for removal of user rights/Archive/Game Lore

2:04

QueenFinelia

btw Jarjar

2:04

ゆ

Oh yeah, before we move on to the topic, I need a piss, brb

2:04

Emperor Jarjarkine

this isn't a talk page but, just a nomination archive

2:04

QueenFinelia

when you update your report system to automatic, we are going to have another moot about it, yes?

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2:04

Madman97

I think that's all for the vote. Motion denied at 5 Oppose, 0 Support. Jarjar, while UAM's in the restroom, feel free to move on. He should be back by the time you're finished.

We need to move along.

2:05

QueenFinelia

Jarjar?

2:05

Emperor Jarjarkine

sure thing so, The text is fine, but the protection is off

2:05

QueenFinelia

Emperor Jarjarkine

2:05

Emperor Jarjarkine

Next topic

yah ?

2:05

QueenFinelia

read above what I asked you

2:05

Madman97

Go ahead.

2:05

ゆ

that was quick

2:05

QueenFinelia

or was that the asnwer

2:05

Madman97

Queen, PM him. We need to move along.

2:06

Emperor Jarjarkine

Oh, yeah well, when it'll be updated, dont worry, i'll add it to an agenda

2:06

QueenFinelia

ok

2:06

Emperor Jarjarkine

now, next topic

2:06

QueenFinelia

good

carry on

2:06

Madman97

Pray silence, everyone.

2:07

Emperor Jarjarkine

okay now, what i've been thinking about, it's for the Gan and Fan

It would be good if we could, for each nomination, keep a record of thems

god am I lagging ?

2:09

Cheatcodechamp

So archive the nominations?

2:09

Emperor Jarjarkine

yeah

So, exemple

2:09

Cheatcodechamp

perhaps, things are fine onmy end

2:10

Emperor Jarjarkine

Exemple:

Project:Featured Articles Nomination/Sload

You are now away.

It's nice to keep thems on track

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2:11

Atvelonis

We could do what we do for staff nomination archives

2:11

Emperor Jarjarkine

Yep yep

2:11

Atvelonis

TES:Patrollers/Archive

2:11

Madman97

I assume that's it, so please discuss.

2:11

Atvelonis

If so then sure I don't see why not

(y)

2:12

Emperor Jarjarkine

it would work like it

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2:12

ゆ

I thought we were doing this already to be honest with ya'

2:12

Madman97

Me too

2:12

ゆ

(y)

2:12

Atvelonis

Not for GA/FA for some reason

2:12

Cheatcodechamp

(y)

2:12

QueenFinelia

(y)

2:12

Madman97

34 Support, 0 Oppose.

2:12

Emperor Jarjarkine

(support)

2:12

Madman97

"4" support

2:12

ゆ

woah 34 people

2:12

QueenFinelia

xD

2:12

Emperor Jarjarkine

there are some invisible people ? o0

2:13

Madman97

Yes

2:13

Emperor Jarjarkine

it's more popular that i imagined !

Ah shit, i just realized something

2:13

QueenFinelia

I guess people like archiving

2:13

Madman97

Alright, so what is that, 6 Supports now?

2:13

Dovahsebrom

(y) make that 35

2:13

Atvelonis

"For the textbooks"

2:13

Emperor Jarjarkine

just something CCC

2:13

Madman97

7 now.

2:13

Atvelonis

7?

2:14

Madman97

Hold on.

2:14

Atvelonis

I only see five thumbs up

2:14

Madman97

I'm tripping out.

2:14

Emperor Jarjarkine

I was thinking that i'd work on this next week, I'd make the proper archive for the past nominations as well

2:14

Madman97

Six votes now, because Jarjar said (support)

2:14

Emperor Jarjarkine

but,

how would we set it up ?

2:15

Atvelonis

Like the patroller or administrator archives

2:15

Emperor Jarjarkine

With a button like for the patroller nomination ?

2:15

Atvelonis

TES:Administrators/archive please work link

TES:Administrators/Archive

2:15

Emperor Jarjarkine

xD

2:16

Atvelonis

TES:Patrollers/Archive too

2:16

Madman97

Well this is a pretty fast decision. I suppose we can say Motion Passed?

2:16

Atvelonis

Yeah

2:16

Emperor Jarjarkine

just to be sure

TES:FA/Sload

when sload is done,

2:17

Madman97

We're at 6 Support, 0 Oppose.

2:17

Emperor Jarjarkine

We add the archive text of erlier, on /sload so that it's archived

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and we add the vote here:

2:17

Atvelonis

We'll work it out

We should probably move on

2:18

Emperor Jarjarkine

The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Administrators/Archive

okay

2:18

Madman97

Alright, well I guess next topic.

2:19

Emperor Jarjarkine

well

For tonight I guess i'm done ^^

2:19

Madman97

Ok, then Atvelonis is up!

Please present your topics in the order of your choosing.

2:20

Atvelonis

Alright. To start us off I'd like to suggest an official minimum percentage necessary for an application or consensus to pass. 66.6% or bust.

We sort of unofficially go by this already... ish

But I'd like to make this an actual policy.

Done

2:21

Madman97

Everyone, please discuss.

2:21

Dovahsebrom

(y)

2:22

QueenFinelia

(y)

2:22

Emperor Jarjarkine

well

(y)

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2:22

ゆ

So, even if the maximum voting support, if it's, say, 5-4 it doesn't go through?

2:22

Atvelonis

Yes

66.6% or bust, as I said

(Wikipedia uses a system like this)

2:23

Emperor Jarjarkine

well, now that we talk about it

2:23

Sbockhop

anyone know about the tonal resonator puzzle?

2:23

Madman97

Sorry Sbockhop, we're in a meeting right now.

2:23

Sbockhop

sorry ill leave

2:23

Atvelonis

Sbockhop, Tonal Resonator

2:23

Cheatcodechamp

(y)

2:24

QueenFinelia

no you don't have to but please PM someone, like me, with your questions

2:24

ゆ

Can there be exceptions?

2:24

QueenFinelia

and please don't interrupt the moot :3

2:24

Cheatcodechamp

What kind would there be?

2:24

Atvelonis

Well, this would be added to those lists you see of requirements for say administraotr


 * administrator

2:24

Madman97

I assume 66.6% is to avoid extremely close votes and still have half the community on the other side.

2:24

Atvelonis

Where one sentence says there can be exceptions

2:24

Cheatcodechamp

well he didnt know, its not like we meet often like this

2:24

Atvelonis

Yes

51-49 is not successful in my opinion

2:25

Cheatcodechamp

I think its good, we could take tight votes to a CT

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2:25

ゆ

Alright,  (Y)

2:25

Emperor Jarjarkine

okay

2:25

Madman97

We have 5 supports so far.

2:25

Atvelonis

Oh yes  (y) from me as well

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2:26

Madman97

6

Anyone else?

2:26

Emperor Jarjarkine

(y)

2:26

Madman97

You already voted Jarjar

2:27

Emperor Jarjarkine

I did ?

2:27

Madman97

Yep.

Pretty early actually. But I think this case is closed.

2:27

Atvelonis

Hold on a second

One last thing, should there be a set number of votes as well necessary for a successful consensus?

Because for example if one person votes it is 100%

But that is only one vote

2:29

ゆ

3 people minimum, imo

2:29

Madman97

Hmm, interesting. Everyone, please discuss

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2:29

Atvelonis

I think it should vary, depending on what we're talking about

2:29

QueenFinelia

indeed

like a lvl on importance

of*

2:30

Emperor Jarjarkine

i see

2:30

Madman97

Should this be counted as a separate topic?

2:30

Dovahsebrom

How would level of importance be deterined?

2:30

Atvelonis

Sure

Yeah, that's what I'm not sure of dovah

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2:31

Madman97

Then Minimum Vote Percentage is passed at 6 Support, 0 Oppose. You can discuss this one now.

2:32

Atvelonis

Perhaps the minimum vote number should be based upon how large on an effect this vote/consensus will have on the wiki and the community

So for example making someone a bureaucrat or administrator will have a larger effect on the wiki than making someone a chat mod

(in most cases)

2:33

QueenFinelia

yes like I said a level of importance system

2:33

Atvelonis

Well I wouldn't exactly say importance

All the staff positions are as important as each other imo

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2:34

Atvelonis

We need chat mods as much as we need patrollers

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2:35

ゆ

That's nice to say, but for the most part, an admin is more important than a chat mod, forum mod or patroller

2:35

Dovahsebrom

I feel like we should just use unofficialized rules for this. If it seems like something needs more votes to be determined than it should just be said. Normally wiki-wide consensuses get alot of votes anyways.

Agreed UAM

2:35

Madman97

There doesn't seem to be a clear Yes or No here...

2:36

QueenFinelia

so are we gonna make a system?

2:36

Cheatcodechamp

I think its a yes, closer votes get a CT

2:36

ゆ

This is a different issue

2:36

Dovahsebrom

I'll say  (n) on the grounds that we could just merely say that a consensus needs more votes without necessarily making any rules

2:36

Madman97

Can I get a vote then or do we need to discuss this more?

2:37

Atvelonis

Yeah that's a good point dovah

2:37

Emperor Jarjarkine

yeah Dovah  :)

2:37

King of the nerds

Ok what's going on here

2:37

Atvelonis

I guess I can go with  (n), we'll just use common sense

2:37

QueenFinelia

ok

2:37

ゆ

(n) for now

2:37

Atvelonis

A moot, kotn

2:37

King of the nerds

Ok

2:38

Madman97

3 Oppose, 0 Support. Anyone else?

2:38

Emperor Jarjarkine

(y) as Atvelonis

2:38

ゆ

wha-

2:38

Madman97

is that...Support Jarjar?

2:38

Atvelonis

Support for the oppose?

2:38

King of the nerds

whats a moot like the moot of all the jarls when a high king dies

2:38

Cheatcodechamp

I got lost somehow, I will remain out of this vote.

2:39

Atvelonis

@kotn: yes, except we are talking about wiki issues

2:39

Emperor Jarjarkine

yeah  xD

2:39

Atvelonis

@we're voting on suggestions and such

2:39

Madman97

So thats 4 Oppose, 0 Support?

2:39

King of the nerds

Could I help

2:39

Emperor Jarjarkine

I mean, I  (y), as a  (y) of atvelonis so, i oppose

2:39

Atvelonis

Yes

2:39

Emperor Jarjarkine

my vote is no in the end sorry

2:39

Atvelonis

@kotn: But don't interrupt anyone while they are presenting their idea

2:39

King of the nerds

Ok

2:39

Madman97

King of Nerds, there is a moot page on the wiki. I suggest you read it before you say anything.

2:40

QueenFinelia

yes everyone is welcome :3

2:40

ゆ

just say  (n) for oppose and  (y) for support, Jarjar

2:40

Cheatcodechamp

Project:moot

2:40

QueenFinelia

he said oppose

2:40

Atvelonis

So is that 5?

For oppose?

2:40

Madman97

4, actually

UAM, did you vote?

2:41

ゆ

mhm

2:41

Atvelonis

Yeah 4

2:41

Madman97

Im pretty sure it's 4. I only count 4 thumbs. Motion Denied. Next topic please. Everyone be silent for Atvelonis.

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2:42

Atvelonis

Ok then. Next is a fun little idea about a collaborative project between the Morrowind guild and the Lore guild.

As most of you probably know, Morrowind introduced a lot of lore. And we are not really amazing at lore (except for you dovah you are downright heavenly).

2:43

Dovahsebrom

thanks

2:44

Madman97

I'm awesome at lore, shut up. Ahem continue.

2:44

Atvelonis

(no problem dovah) Soooo.... I suggested that the two guilds team up and fix up all our sort of ok sort of crappy Morrowind lore pages.

I messaged Gaminomicon but he hasn't come on recently so I talked to Mondblueme, another person in the MW guild, and she said yes. Dovah said yes as well.

2:45

Madman97

Is that it for the topic?

2:45

Atvelonis

Anyway yeah that's about it, commence discussion

2:45

Madman97

Yeah, do that.

2:45

ゆ

(y)

2:45

Dovahsebrom

I already agreed so  (y)

2:45

King of the nerds

👍

2:46

QueenFinelia

(y)

2:46

Emperor Jarjarkine

(y) don't see any reasons why not  :P

2:46

Cheatcodechamp

(y)

Are they just working togehter? they are not merging right?

2:46

Madman97

That's 6 Support, 0 Oppose.

2:46

Atvelonis

They aren't merging, just working together yes

2:47

Cheatcodechamp

Either way, if the guilds are down with this I am happy

2:48

Madman97

Is that it for votes?

2:49

Cheatcodechamp

I think so

6/0

2:49

Atvelonis

(y) from me

Of course

So 7-0 support

2:49

Madman97

Alright, Motion Passed. Atvelonis, any more topics?

2:49

Emperor Jarjarkine

ahem guys, I have to go afk for a while  :/

2:49

Atvelonis

None from me. Present away, UAM

Alright Jarjar

2:50

ゆ

Alright, one sec

2:50

Madman97

When you're ready.

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2:51

ゆ

First off, let's go for a quick one. MOOT should be a shortcut to The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot article. That's it.

2:51

Madman97

Discuss

2:51

QueenFinelia

I agree

2:51

Cheatcodechamp

Sure  (y)

2:51

QueenFinelia

it should be easier to get to

2:51

Atvelonis

I mean you can just do TES:Moot

2:51

QueenFinelia

(y)

2:52

Atvelonis

But ok sure

(y)

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2:52

Cheatcodechamp

We could also add a link on the moot article if we felt it was needed

2:52

Madman97

That's 3 Support, 0 Oppose.

2:52

ゆ

cool, i'm  (y) of course.

2:52

Atvelonis

That's a good idea actually CCC

2:53

Emperor Jarjarkine

Youmay ?

2:53

King of the nerds

👍

2:53

Emperor Jarjarkine

like you may want to see the Elder Scrools wikia moot, a meeting where blabalbla

and say on the Project:Moot page, you may want to see the moo article ?

2:53

Atvelonis

Yeah, works for me

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2:54

Dovahsebrom

Eh, I feel like wiki articles and work should be separate

2:54

Madman97

5 Support, 0 Oppose

2:54

Atvelonis

4-1 you mean?

Wait

Is this separate from the shortcut vote?

2:55

Madman97

I took down all the thumbs up for Moot shortcut

2:55

Atvelonis

Oh yes

2:55

King of the nerds

I just took a quick look at the moot page I just wanted to say good job

2:56

ゆ

Should we move on?

2:56

Emperor Jarjarkine

Thanks  :)

2:56

Madman97

Thanks. Yeah, move on.

2:57

Emperor Jarjarkine

afk again

2:58

ゆ

Alright, next up. As you may have noticed, I have been making a few Travels templates. Travels templates as opposed to templates for individual Travels games were the standard, but there has been a big issue with the fact that Shadowkey, the game I mainly work on, being drastically different to Dawnstar, Stormhold, or Oblivion.

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ゆ

All the other games contain basically the same content, armour, weapons, spells, whatever. Shadowkey contains more content compared to the others, and though it is grouped in as part of the Travels series, templates such as Template:TravelsRings cause issues, as rings don't appear in any other Travels game.

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3:00

ゆ

I ask that Shadowkey templates be separated from Travels templates, Travels remaining as the template type for the other games, while Shadowkey gets its own ones.

Now back to Madman in the studio

3:01

Madman97

Let's go to Olly for weather. Nah, discuss!

3:01

Cheatcodechamp

Would we need a new color? and what color would you have in mind?

Its gonna rain

3:01

Madman97

Thanks Olly

3:01

Atvelonis

I don't know much about the Travels games, but from what I've seen Shadowkey is a fair bit bigger. You've certainly added a lot of information about it, UAM.

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3:02

ゆ

The main colour that Shadowkey uses is purple

3:02

Atvelonis

Purple works

(y)

3:02

King of the nerds

I don't really care for this one so I will just give it 👍

3:02

Cheatcodechamp

I dont know much about the older games, I trust you know what we need, so you have my support

(y)

3:03

Madman97

King, if you don't care for one, don't vote.

3:03

Dovahsebrom

(y) Shadowkey has always appeared a bit more independent from the other installations, it would probably be best that it has its own template.

3:03

Madman97

So I'll count it as 3 Support, 0 Oppose.

3:03

ゆ

I'm  (y)

3:04

Atvelonis

4 then

3:04

Madman97

Yep

3:05

ゆ

Next?

3:05

Madman97

Anyone else?

Going once...

3:06

King of the nerds

I would like to ask you guys something

3:06

Madman97

Hurry before we move on

Going twice

3:06

Atvelonis

Alright kotn ask your question then

3:07

King of the nerds

I was wondering if any of you would like something I have put on a blog and like the idea

thats it

3:08

Atvelonis

I don't know, I'd have to see the blog

3:08

Cheatcodechamp

Post a link I guess, and we have one more matter to discuss

People can read it and comment if they wish

3:08

King of the nerds

U can look at it later you have seen it ccc

3:08

Madman97

We'll keep that to the blog comment section though and can bring it up next time if you want.

3:08

King of the nerds

Ok

3:08

ゆ

Alright, next topic

3:09

Cheatcodechamp

next topic

3:09

Madman97

Please go.

Pray silence for UAM.

3:11

ゆ

Let's take a ride over to Forum Town with Board:Other TES Titles As you can see, the vast majority of the posts are TES VI related threads, and while it is an "Other TES Title" it's not really what the board is about. I propose a brand new board, entirely for TES VI Speculation, at least until the release of the next game, in which case it can be TES VII Speculation.

3:11

Cheatcodechamp

So "next game speculation"

?

3:12

Atvelonis

"Future games speculation"

There are spin-offs as well

3:12

ゆ

Pretty much

3:12

Madman97

Alright, discuss.

3:12

ゆ

Legends would fit in that board for now

3:12

Cheatcodechamp

brb

3:12

ゆ

up until release, anyway

3:12

Atvelonis

Yes alright then

A board for ES games that just haven't been released yet

Makes sense

(y)

3:13

Dovahsebrom

I've always found the TES VI topics on that board misplaced, but I'm not sure if this topic is entirely deserving of a whole board to itself.

3:13

ゆ

They are quite common, compared to other things we have individual boards for

3:13

King of the nerds

👍

3:13

Atvelonis

Well it would be a fairly large board, there are a lot of Elder Scrolls VI posts

3:14

Madman97

We have 2 Support, 0 Oppose

3:14

QueenFinelia

(y)

3:14

Dovahsebrom

Yes but would there be alot of people creating threads on a board devoted to one topic?

3:15

Atvelonis

Well it's to all future titles, so that's a few topics

3:15

ゆ

One problem I will say, is moving the threads once the games are released.

3:15

Emperor Jarjarkine

(y)

3:15

Atvelonis

It's a speculation board, I don't know if we have to move them?

Should we?

3:15

ゆ

That's what I was thinking

They are from the context of being before the game's release

So are speculation regardless

3:16

Cheatcodechamp

Im not sold we need a new board for speculation. but I also dont see a better place to put them..

3:16

Emperor Jarjarkine

So an entire new board only for speculations ?

3:16

Atvelonis

We could call it "Future TES Titles" or something

Sorta

Yeah

3:16

Emperor Jarjarkine

what about Speculations ?

3:17

Atvelonis

There is a lot of it already, just in the Other Titles board

Predictions and whatnot

3:17

ゆ

If it's called Speculations people will mistakenly post lore threads on it

3:17

Atvelonis

Yeah, so Future TES Titles

3:17

ゆ

I agree with Future TES Titles

3:18

QueenFinelia

sounds logicalö

3:18

Atvelonis

I suppose Azura should also have a say in this, he is a forum mod too

3:18

King of the nerds

Future Tes titles ok

3:18

Cheatcodechamp

I see no better alternatives, Im in support of "Future TES Titles"

3:18

Dovahsebrom

A board titled speculations sounds pretty ambiguous

3:18

Madman97

So far we have 5 Support, 0 Oppose.

3:18

Dovahsebrom

would probably confuse alot of people and not contain TES VI speculation

3:19

QueenFinelia

yeah and Azura will probably do most of the work in moving them anyway

the busybody he is

3:19

ゆ

Dovah's a forum mod too, he can do all of it. nah, I jk, I say we just don't move them

On game's release, I mean

3:20

Madman97

But are we in total agreement for the creation of a new forum category?

3:20

Emperor Jarjarkine

I am

3:20

QueenFinelia

yes

3:20

Atvelonis

Dovah?

3:20

Dovahsebrom

I guess I am

3:20

Emperor Jarjarkine

So I guess this is it ?

3:20

ゆ

Alright, I have one final topic

Then it's done

3:21

Madman97

Motion passed, 5 Support to 0 Oppose

UAM, please continue

3:23

Atvelonis

(I've created the board now)

3:24

Dovahsebrom

Already moving threads

3:24

Madman97

UAM?

3:25

ゆ

The final topic is about Guilds. I propose a new guild, as an avid editor of the lesser-known titles in the TES franchise, I think there is space for a guild based around this. The main issue being that if it's called Spin-Off Guild, it contains Legends and Online even though they should have their own guilds, and if it's Travels Guild, it doesn't contain Battlespire or Redguard. The final issue is that I'm the only editor in this area, but this is only a temporary issue. I propose the formation, or at least planning, of a new guild for the older spin-off titles, until more editors interested in this area come along.

And that's it, discuss.

3:26

Madman97

Everyone?

3:27

Cheatcodechamp

Guilds need members, will there be people to join this new guild?

3:27

Atvelonis

Rim has played some of those too, he would probably join if it was started.

I'm sure other people have as well

3:27

ゆ

That's the thing I mentioned, no, there isn't. But I want to begin development, at least until we find editors.

3:27

Atvelonis

But if we are going to give Travels its own guild, it should really include the other spin-offs

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3:28

Atvelonis

"Other TES spin-offs," I dunno

3:28

King of the nerds

I agree atvelonis

3:28

Atvelonis

Or just the Spin-offs guild

3:28

Cheatcodechamp

I dont like the idea of forming a guild without people ready to join, we have several guilds now with few members because we started them all up assuming they would join.

3:28

Atvelonis

For all spin-offs except for ESO (and maybe Legends)

3:28

Madman97

I actually forgot I was a member of Skyrim Guild.

3:28

Atvelonis

@CCC: Lore guild has three whole people in it, it's working ok

lol madman

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3:29

ゆ

Or, maybe just "Other TES Titles", like the board, except without Daggerfall and Arena.

3:29

Atvelonis

Yeah that sounds better than spin-offs

In that case, I vote  (y)

3:30

Emperor Jarjarkine

(y)  :P

3:30

Dovahsebrom

(y)

3:30

King of the nerds

👍me to

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3:30

Navashield.exe

ok i had a glitch with the bone halk amulet where it would not go on me but it gave me the effect so i made the amulet with fortify alchemy and made a fortify smithing potion thatit had fortify smithing 612% better holy s^^^

3:31

Atvelonis

@Moot: Is that the last topic?

@Navashield: Cool

3:31

ゆ

Yes, that was the final topic at hand

3:31

Madman97

Hang on a sec everyone

3:31

Emperor Jarjarkine

gtg afk, i thank everyone here  :)

3:31

Navashield.exe

should i report this or what??

3:32

Emperor Jarjarkine

I hope you liked the first moot  :P

3:32

King of the nerds

I did

3:32

Atvelonis

@Nava: Alright, if it's a bug then yes

3:32

QueenFinelia

bye cya tc :3

3:32

Atvelonis

@Jarjar: It was quite good, I am happy we did this

3:32

Madman97

Alright, final word from Moot Leader.

3:32

Cheatcodechamp

So spinoff guild is being started?

3:32

Atvelonis

Yeah

3:32

ゆ

Yeah, Other TES Titles Guild, or the OTTG, for short, since it's a terribly long name.

3:33

Atvelonis

Hmm, is the 5th of July a Sunday or Saturday?

3:33

Dovahsebrom

jeez there is alot of TESVI speculation threads

3:33

Madman97

This is the final verdict of all topics for the record. That's 5 support, 0 oppose for Report Code. That's 5 support, 0 oppose for Guilds That's 0 Support, 5 Oppose for Archiving. That's 6 Support, 0 Oppose for Gan and Fan That's 6 Support, 0 Oppose for Minimum Vote Percentage. That's 0 Support, 4 Oppose for Minimum CT Votes. That's 7 Support, 0 Oppose for Lore Guild Collaboration. That's 5 Support, 0 Oppose for Moot Shortcut That's 4 Supports, 0 Oppose for Travel Templates. That's 5 Support, 0 Oppose for New Speculation Categories That's 4 Support, 0 Oppose for New guilds.

3:33

ゆ

It's be unanimous every time, I'm happy with the result

3:33

King of the nerds

I think I'm joining the skyrim guild that sounds like a good idea for someone like me

3:33

Madman97

If anyone would like to take on the role of Moot Leader, please sign up I thank you all for coming and the Moot has officially come to a close.

3:34

Atvelonis

@Kotn: If you want to you should start editing Skyrim pages on the wiki

3:34

ゆ

Skyrim Guild is one of the hardest guilds to join, I reckon, since it's such a well developed portion of the wiki.

3:34

Madman97

Is there any way to document this chat?

Atvelonis or CCC

3:34

Atvelonis

KINMUNE's got it all, right?

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ゆ

I'll copy and paste it