Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-187.67.34.210-20150410173610

CatapractofOrder wrote: Ottoman Hold wrote: The Dominion wants the war to go on as long as possible so as many human lives are lost, but ultimately, they probably would benefit more if Ulfric took control. The Dominion is already benefiting because of how weak both providences are getting because of Then Civil War. No matter what happens, The Dominion wins, but they would win even more if The Civil War lasted years and all in all Ulfric and the Stormcloaks won. That's why starting The Civil War in the first place was a costly and foolish move on Ulfric's part. Well, no.

See, the problem with people both Stormcloak and Imperial is that they think the Talos ban is simply about Talos. It isn't.

First of all answer this; How frequent do you find Thalmor patrols in Skyrim? Quite frequent. By allowing the Dominion to hunt down Talos worshipers, the Empire has gave them the ability to move military units unabated throughout the land under the guise of hunting Talos worshipers.

Add to that this; When you go through Northwatch Keep, you see the Thalmor are keeping an Argonian prisoner. Now do you really think he's a Talos worshiper? Of course not; But that doesn't mean the Thalmor won't say that and with the Empire in the position its in it can hardly afford to challange the Thalmor on it.

The Thalmor are slowly but surely removing dissedents, and if the Empire does declare war on the Dominion, they'll be fighting both the Dominion army and the Justicars within the provinces. Add to that that by the time the Empire can fight, the majority of those who would fight who would lead, are lying in some mass grave beside some Thalmor prison.

You say that starting the civil war was a foolish move on Ulfric's part. So let me ask you something; Under Imperial rule the Thalmor continue to do what they were doing, whiddling away at any possible opposition. If the Stormcloaks win, then at least they have a chance to fight and win, rather then being dragged out of their homes by the Thalmor while their fellow legionarres look on with sorry faces.

You say that starting the civil war was a foolish move on Ulfric's part, I say what did you expect him to do when every moment the Dominion's in Skyrim makes rebellion less and less of a probability? How can you honestly blame them for rebeling when the Empire is letting the Thalmor kill anyone that stands in their way, when the Empire threw both Hammerfell and the Blades to the dogs? What is it the Empire wants? Time? So the Nords should just sit there and let the Thalmor kill them?

Now let me tell you something; No Empire has the right to expect that of a people.

Talos worship was outlawed yes but it wasn't really enforced in Skyrim (Speaking to Alvor in Riverwood confirms this. He talks about how the Imperials turned the other way when it came to Talos worship, and it was clear they really didn't enforce that law. "Everyone still had their little shrine to Talos") until Ulfric started throwing fits to get the shiny hat causing the Empire (still licking their wounds from the war) to bend to Thalmor pressure. And do you really believe the Empire is watching the Thalmor hunting down Talos worshippers and and leting them get away with it? Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, as they say. By allowing the Thalmor some room, the Empire enabled reconnaissance to be done on them more effectively. Meeting people on the battlefield is never the only option, and I strongly believe that only fools truly, fully believe in a warrior's Code of Honor. No offense. Tullius, Rikke, Ondolemar and Jarl Idgrod hint the player that another Great War is coming. And if it wasn't for this civil war, the Empire would be one step close to spit in the Thalmor's face and break the schackles of White-Gold Concordat.