Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-4984687-20150326211251/@comment-4984687-20150328213205

SuperSajuuk wrote:

The Rim of the Sky wrote: Voting varies per topic. For a consensus of a change or addition, people must give their ideas or improvements rather than just saying that they agree with what OP says. I know. But my point is that voting only allows people to give weak or no reasoning for why they support something: in other words, there will inevitably be a swathe of posts that only contain either "support" or "oppose" with no reason for why.

By focusing more on the reasoning, rather than the vote, a better consensus can be reached. Sometimes a vote should happen, but the vote shouldn't be the main factor in deciding consensus: the discussion with users should absolutely be more important imo. There's also the fact that voting has, in the past, created camps of users who hate on each other during the process and also only gives two viewpoints: there is no ability for compromises without starting a whole new discussion.

Consensus for demoting a user is different. Unlike changing something, a consensus against demoting a user will just result in the same thing - demotion or they keep their rights. When you suggest changing something, there are multiple ways it can be done unlike a consensus against a user. The same thing happens with staff or MOTM nominations, in the end it will only end to ways. Voting should only occur where there are only two options. Like I said above, voting only gives two outcomes. In many cases, discussion can create better possibilities, everyone can give their opinion and a better consensus can be reached. Discussion also prevents user camps being generated from votes as well.

Speaking of MOTM, it should stay the same. The end result is the person either becoming or not becoming MOTM. No issue with keeping MOTM the same here. When voting on a staff application, there will only be two outcomes: the user either gets the flags or doesn't get the flags. Removing votes is utterly pointless, people can't suggest ideas or different ways to do something on a staff app i.e. "They should only get half the flags" or "they should get the flags but no coloured name". It makes no sense to remove votes.

When you created a consensus against Jimeee you knew that there would only be two outcomes: he either loses his flags or keeps them. The first one happened as he resigned. You can't suggest an idea on how to do it differently like "he should only lose half his flags" or "he should only lose his flags for 2 weeks". Voting is a necessity in these cases.