User talk:Jimeee/Archive

Authors
Hey Jimeee. First of all - I dont think I've officially welcomed you here... so... welcome! If you have any questions about anything, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page, or ask me directly on IRC (Also a good place to meet other editors or just other people playing Skyrim. Anyways - I just wanted to say... thanks for helping to fix up the Authors page! I haven't gotten around to adding the new Authors yet - so thanks for helping out there! Again, if I can help you out with anything, let me know, and I'll do what I can. Finally - Id like to say welcome once more! Happy Editing! :D Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 11:53, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Hiya. Thanks for the info. I have just been using the default location template. I'll take a look at the one you suggested. DLanyon (talk) 15:48, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Templates
Hi Jimeee, i read on another talk page that you know how to make templates. Do you think you can make a weapons and an armor template that is specific to Skyrim. As I look through items on this wikia, ingredients seem to be the only thing that has a correct template. weapons and armor do seem to have any rhyme or reason. and i can only find old templates for Oblivion. thanks for all the help you have provided. Poppaberry (talk) 16:46, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jimee! In order to properly answer your question regarding templates, I believe that I need to ask one or two of my own. (Apologies about that). First of all, given that you seem to know a lot more about templates (I made the SkyrimLocations one, but I freely admit that I did only a little bit more than changing section names) is it possible to have it somewhere so that that icon thingy (the one for tombs, dwarven ruins, etc, etc) shows up depending on what they put for "Type" in Template:SkyrimLocations? If it is, then, that brings me on to the other questions... second question would be : can you please help to make that happen? But the final question (and the most important one) is... would this be okay with you if we DID streamline it into the one category? (As you yourself said, you DID spend a fair amount of time making those templates). In the long run, yes, it would be better to have the one templates, however, its dependent mainly on those other questions. (For instance, the ones you made, with the icon-images, look awesome :D Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 20:14, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

The template looks good for the weapons, alittle tweaking. maybe put a note on it that says something about it only having base damage listed that is not effected by skills or perks. try to cut down on the confusion. we also need to get it added to the Category:Skyrim: Weapons page to make that the official template to use. thanks for the work.Poppaberry (talk) 15:06, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

SkyrimLocations reply: Okay, I just read your reply, Jimeee. I now agree with you. They would indeed be better with their own separate templates. (As you said, settlements are not the same thing as dungeons, etc). If it was possible to have the one template and only show the relevant section, as well as being able to have the image, then I would suggest using the one template, but as things stand now: I must apologise. I now agree with you that they look a lot better than the default template. Also - I'm not sure whats going on with the weapons and armor templates, but if you're tweaking them too, let me know which templates we should be using (actually, if you could put them on the templates section of Skyrim Task List, that we we can all see them) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 15:17, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hiya. A bit on the location templates. I was looking at the cave one and I may have messed something up on it but I cannot figure out what. It wont show the enemies/quest items. Also, if you can add some documentation to the doc of the templates to help with their usage. Plus there are a few areas that don't quite fit the templates so far, i.e. Evergreen Grove and Pinewatch. Evergreen is a grove, the only one I have encountered so far. Pinewatch is a house icon but is in reality a house, cave/ ruins. Thanks for helping organize things. --DLanyon (talk) 15:32, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Sorry about that. Just trying to keep up some uncreated categories, so they don't show up in Special:WantedCategories. You might be able to get away with creating one for Alchemists, but we should keep the village ones consistent throughout. For example, we are already using Category:Skyrim: Whiterun, which will include residents and locations. This matches the categorization already set up for Oblivion. Such as Category:Cheydinhal. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  09:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, I liked your Armors template. I changed a few minor things and set it up at Nightingale Armor (Skyrim) as a test run if you want to check it out. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  09:32, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I fixed the image for ya. All I changed was the image parameter. I omitted the auto-sizing and the name path. So, instead of typing it plain text, you'll do it like this: imagname.png . The image will automatically center itself too. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  09:46, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as categories go. I don't have the final say in it, so whatever you think works best. Personally, I would talk it over with an admin first, so you don't end up categorizing fifty or so pages and have those edits reverted. I've seen that happen too many times here. At any rate, I understand your logic and it sounds completely reasonable. The categorization here is already a tangled mess as is, so really, anything that helps sort out that mess is helpful in my book. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  09:48, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

The problem with the auto-scale is: it makes long images too long, pushing the infobox information way to the bottom of the article. The image itself ends up taking up more space than pretty much everything else on the page. Plus, it makes some images look blurry and stretched. This way, you can customize it, and make every work to the pages advantage. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  09:54, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know exactly how you feel. Everyday, I look at the Recent Changes and shake my head. Sometimes I can't handle it and need to walk away. Lol. Back on the categories topic, though, big categories like Category:Characters, aren't attached to anything. And if you look at the Special:CategoryTree, you can't find any of the relevant game categories... --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  10:01, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Skyrim: Characters
Hey Jimeee. I see what you mean, and I agree that it would be helpful to have those categories. I would request that it be Skyrim: Whiterun Characters (Or, instead, Skyrim: Characters: Whiterun?), so that it is in keeping with other categories that we have. Other than that - yes, I believe that we should have those categories. The only potential problem (and this is one that you should probably work out before starting to make these categories: Do you mean Whiterun Hold, or Whiterun city? :) (For example, what about those in Riverwood? Did you want to make one for Skyrim: Riverwood? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 10:26, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Categories Part II
Looks good to me. I made minor change, though. I linked to the template. We seem to be doing a pretty good job with the more specific categories; my main concern is with the broader ones. How do I explain this? As you go backwards through the categories, to see how categories are categorized, it's slightly disjointed and hard to navigate. This is what I want to fix. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  20:07, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Google search is important though :D. Not like we need a larger influx of users here, what with the Skyrim hype. At any rate, I think including the categories in templates is an excellent idea. Some are already done, and I've add one for Dark Brotherhood Quest Skyrim, so that'll be a small help. See, the way I've always categorized is: broad categories, then specific categories. For instance, say Atub, would get Category:Characters and Category:Skyrim: Characters. Category:Orcs then Category:Skyrim: Orcs, so the article can be found in both places, in case someone forgot which game Atub was from. That may not be how it works here, though. I've noticed some differing opinions on the notion. Some only want the specifics, some want both broad and specific. I'm just used to using the latter, but I suppose with smaller series like Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, it doesn't matter. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  20:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Template question
The line of code was to prevent categories and sections headers from being transcluded into popups on the wiki. Example - Interactive maps

However, I have since modified the script to utilize ajax and wiki api to avoid this complication. But it does make the script more expensive on the user's end and takes longer for hover popups to show up, especially for users with slow connections. Thus I am at a crossroad: make it more difficult for the user or make templates accommodate popups. I am still testing and I am trying to streamline the process. Sorry if I inconvenienced you or modified your template in a way you do not like. You can remove the line of code if you dislike it.

23:04, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Great Lift
Theres actually two of them. If you've been to Blackreach, you'll know why. That place is literally MASSIVE Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 09:16, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Templates
Yes, I was mostly thinking of changing the general style of the infobox whilst keeping the functionality the same. I'll probably start today. Mark ( talk ) 13:41, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Template uniformity
Hi Jimeee. Couple of questions on the location templates. Are you leaving the "MAP" off of some of these intentionally, if so, why? Are you going to go back through and reorder the items? Some templates go: image, map, hold, type. Others go: image, map, type, enemies, hold etc.. I know its not a huge deal but it seems to break up the uniformity of the pages. If you want assistance, I should have some time tomorrow to help and reornganize the templates into a standard order. Thanks for all the work on the templates already! DLanyon (talk) 03:28, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hiya, read over your response and that sounds good. To answer one question, I think sticking with characters is fine or if we want to be brief "NPC" to differentiate from character meaning "the player's character". Once we get this nailed down we can update the /doc to match the primary location one so folks will know what to put in the specific line. e.g. Hold should only have 1 of the nine Hold pages linked and location should probably be brief and from a major settlement, e.g. Southeast of Rorikstead ; North of Whiterun. And I have no idea about the base ID stuff. I don't look under the hood much. Thanks, --DLanyon (talk) 16:23, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Template

 * Hey there. I suppose I was probably the one who added those weight/value/armor icons back into the articles. Although they are symbols for Oblivion, they've been used in full swing on other Skyrim pages. In some weird way, the icons seem to have transgressed their Oblivion-only context and become a sort of wiki motif here. I've been adding them to pages for continuity sake, although I see why you wouldn't want them there. I suppose it's a matter of taste, really. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  15:04, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * We could always change the size or some upgrade the resolution or color to make it work better for the image. Any way, not important, like you said. Details. I agree that admin permission would definitely settle the matter once and for all, but what we also need is a clearly, unwaveringly defined Manual of Style entry about how armor and weapons should be formatted. With that, we always have a reference and can guide other users into making pages more... properly? Usually admins write that, but there's nothing to write into the MoS if we don't set the precedent first. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  15:31, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

No worries there. I talked to Luke, aka ekulylnam, about it and am leaving those pages in his hands since he has been working hard on getting all the pages up. Although I did do some stuff on the main pages for a couple of armor type and see that deyvid has already added a box on one of them. I like it Falmer Armor. The main pages need a bit more structure still. I guess I should add a list of stuff I'm working on as well. DLanyon (talk) 16:47, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

REF ID
It seems the Ref ID and Base ID are not relevant--DLanyon (talk) 08:24, December 7, 2011 (UTC) to places and were left over in the template from the NPC template. I will remove them from any location template I come across. I have fixed the Template:Wood Mills/doc and the template. I think it is good. Let me know. If so we can start adding it to the other docs to help folks out when adding pages. later,

pages
Um, just so you know, we dont make pages that link to that site. Party because most of their pages are usually rubbish, and partly because we're in competition with them :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 14:15, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we've had dealing with them in the past (Folks on here used to lift entire articles from them, back when there was only a few editors on this wiki, and it was only 2,000 pages in total :( Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 00:44, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Templates
Thank you very much for the info regarding templates! I've been looking for a listing of specific location templates i've seen others using, been writing them down by hand up until this point to keep track. Huge help! Much obliged :) Rorchak060 (talk) 03:29, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Character Categories
Hey Jimeee. In answer to your question: please add both categories to the Skyrim pages. Whilst not the most useful category, Category:Characters still serves a purpose, as readers sometimes wish to see a list of characters in the game, and chose a name that they are familiar with to read more about them. (It happens quite regularly). In this regard, it is useful, not to mention that a lot of folks just like to go "aah, theres  number of people across the TES Series". So please, add both to characters. (In total, characters should have a minimum of 6 categories if they are completely categorised. For example, General Tullius should have Imperials, Skyrim: Imperials, Skyrim: Males, Males, Characters and Skyrim: Characters. (Also, his faction too, but thats a different thing). Um ... when was he removing the categories? :'( Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 09:24, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for that, Jimeee! Let me know if it happens again, please? :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 09:38, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Template
I checked the history. You'd have to speak to Kacj about that. He changed the template to make it fit in with other existing templates that we have on the wiki Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 15:24, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

weapon and armor template
Hiya, just to let you know why I had put that code in the templates. Weight isnt underlined like the other 2 values. DLanyon (talk) 19:31, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Location Templates
Hiya Jimeee. I knkow you have been working hard to get all the location templates finished. I have made a change to the Caves template. Take a look and let me know what you think. If you like it, it can be added to all the location templates to add uniformity to all the location pages when they are created and ensure they all have the same header sentence. If you don't then its easy enough to remove. Also, if you have any thoughts on the proposed location page layout pop over to my talk page or the Random Mine talk page. Thanks, --DLanyon (talk) 09:06, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Template:Skyrim Tomb
Hey Jimee! I'm on IRC if your on it. But yes I made a change to Template:Skyrim Tomb. Posted on my profile page so hopefully folks would see it. Basically, Skyrim Tomb was the only template that used capitalization in the row - for example "|Hold =" instead of "|hold =", so I changed the template to match the rest of the templates. Then I edited every page that linked to that template to fix the infobox. Also, some folks had used Template:Skyrim: Tomb, so with some help I made sure that all the pages used the correct 'Skyrim Tomb' template. As for the category, that was my mistake .. I had edited thinking it was refering to the Template:Skyrim: Tomb. I hope that makes sense. Catch me on the IRC if it doesn't. Thanks, DLanyon (talk) 00:14, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Locations Navigation
Hiya Jimeee. I created it as a jumpstart for navigation and I included it in the location page layout. As, I figured it would be helpful to people who were looking for other areas nearby. We can definitely improve upon it. Those 2 categories, cities & holds, were the ones I felt were initially the most accessible as they provide information to the main sections of the game. If you see where it can be improved or expanded please do! Also, I posted on Timeoin's talk page about 2 new templates Template:Quests and Template:Books to get some feedback if folks think they would be useful to improving the layout of the pages. Let me know what you think. And I've been keeping IRC up if folks want to catch me there. Thanks, DLanyon (talk) 15:00, December 14, 2011 (UTC)




 * It already has the approval as part of the accepted The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Style and formatting/Locations layout. Once User:Deyvid Petteys gets his overlay done the preloads will be implemented. see:Template:Create_article/location/Skyrim Thanks, DLanyon (talk) 15:34, December 14, 2011 (UTC)




 * Looks good. When I made that one, I based it off the existing one. Template:Skyrim Nav. I like the minimalist layout but I think that's just a matter of opinion so as long as it works I'm ok with it. --DLanyon (talk) 15:44, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I like the newest look. Withouth the border looks cleaner. DLanyon (talk) 16:37, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

About city categories.
I think your idea is great. I'll delete the hold category and add a appropriately named city category... i just moved on to dawnstar as i ran out of locations in morthal...

thanks for the heads-up, Bsua (talk) 20:43, December 14, 2011 (UTC)BSUA

RE: Categories
No problem, will do :) Silozero (talk) 11:02, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

New Location Template
Hey, I don't know Jimeee. I see the new template design. But it seems to be based on the old format as it is using the ref ID and base ID. Which do not apply to Locations. Any word from him or Tim? I haven't seen Tim on IRC lately to ask. --DLanyon (talk) 13:19, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just left a message on his page. I'm on IRC --DLanyon (talk) 13:25, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I left on message on the talk page for that template to let everyone know what happened. Someone tinkered with the template, trying to add if commands, so blank parameters wouldn't appear in article, which messed up the template. Information from the article was appearing in the template for some reason. I fixed it the only way I knew how. I wasn't sure what to keep or omit, so I just put everything in that was in before. Parameters can easily be removed, if need be. Also, now the if commands work properly, so anything left blank won't show up in the article. The same thing happened with Template:Infobox SkyrimNPC.


 * The nav looks good. I've been wondering what we should do for that. I was thinking of making the navs fully collapsible. Something like this maybe? --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  13:48, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * New icons look good! I think if we have a full on Nav like that collapsible might be good. My only concern there is if its at the bottom folks might miss that its a Nav since it just looks like a bar. Maybe have a semi-collapsible or a section bar with each section able to be expanded? --DLanyon (talk) 13:55, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe we can have two navs? One that's open, with broader article links or links to location categories like Category:Skyrim: Caves for example? Then, have more specific, color-coded templates that detail each specific location, separated by hold? --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  14:01, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * We have the Category:Skyrim:_Locations_by_Hold I made recently so we can include these in the nav we have now. For example the links at the bottom for each Hold can link to all the locations in that particular hold. (Eastmarch Hold Locations) etc. the link to cities is fine and should remain.
 * For stuff like Category:Skyrim: Caves - My vision is a serepate page linked from the homepage that lists all these things. caves, giants camps, groves, all our location categories in list form. Right now the Skyrim: Locations page is too busy to find these categories. Jimeee (talk) 14:09, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

I agreed Category:Skyrim is incredibly useful. I think we decided, that to help eliminate the fact that subcategories in Skyrim:Locations only appear in S, we would add categories to the main category like this, which would make Caves show up when you click C, or  , which would put a subcategory immediately at the beginning. All sub-cats would then appear in a list, easy to find and pick through. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  15:19, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Location Template
Well, I think we can change the cell-padding and if commands of the other templates without disrupting the images. We'd just edit around it. Also, should we edit Ref ID and Base ID out of the general Skyrim Locations template?

I agree that there may be too many articles to justify having a collapsible nav, but maybe we could separate them by hold? For instance, The College of Winterhold and Wreck of The Pride of Tel Vos would be linked to, along with the other Winterhold Hold locations, in one nav. That nav would go up on all Winterhold location pages. Then, we'd do a separate one for Eastmarch, Whiterun, and the others. Just an idea. --— Radical D  (bother \   stalk)  14:07, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Location Pages
Jimeee, I'm not sure I understand what you are proposing for the hold locations. Feel free to change the Nav template to reflect what you want. We can always redo the format or layout. And I agree that we need seperate pages for each of the location types; cave, towers, forts, etc.. If you have some ideas how to lay that out I don't think anyone will complain that you organized things :D Oh and when I first did the Location Nav .. it was just for locations and make navigating the sheer number of them easier. There is another Nav for major categories Template:Skyrim Nav that we can include or join or something :D DLanyon (talk) 14:32, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

new infobox style
Heya. I see your playing with the new infobox style. I think I like it, not quite as jarring as the white grid borders. DLanyon (talk) 13:34, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well if you not at work, we're on IRC and I noticed a problem with some of the templates and posted about it on User:Elchzard's page. Plus we are gonna discuss some template naming conventions to help organize them. Like Template:Quests became Template:SkyrimQuests. --DLanyon (talk) 13:40, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at all of them but its a question of how they are categoized. I think Elchzard is going to fix that though. So all the templates will be in the same category. --DLanyon (talk) 14:31, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Dont Freak!
Jimeee. The bot is updating the template names to Skyrim(templatename). So Caves will now by SkyrimCaves. I know your editing so wanted to let you know whats going on!DLanyon (talk) 15:05, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hello, now with the new Npc infoboxes i noticed that the services section doesn't appear. Are the new infoboxes made this way or there is some way for it to show ?Vercinghetorix (talk) 17:09, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Vandal
Thanks for taht Jimeee! They've now been given a temp-ban. With luck, they now learn their lesson. Failing that, a week from now, they get banned for good :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 12:32, December 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding Ronlaw, the images are semi-related to TES. They are of some of the voice actors in the series (I know because one of them didnt have "Jim Cummings" cropped out of the picture). I suspect they are from Wikipedia or something, and there is likely a copyright issue from there, and the pages will need renaming to something more relevant "File1.jpg" isnt a helpful name, but other than that - they are related (kind of). If he's planning on making pages out-of-universe explaining some of the characters that they play, then I think they might be useful to have (we already have a section of some of the other voice actors, from back before Skyrim was released. So, for now, its not such a big problem. At least its not adult-type stuff. we've had disturbing versions of that uploaded by users before. (Who incidentally then used rotating IPs to evade bans for a while :s) Anyways - thanks for your help in this - it was a good spot! Fortunately this time the user in question is wanting to meaningfully help the wiki! Anyways, I'm off to sleep (its midnight where I live) so you have a good night (or day) Jimeee Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 14:05, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, User:121.222.26.179 has been given a temp-ban. Thanks for letting me know (Its hard to see them all short of checking every one of the four-something-thousand edits a day (Yeah, we're still getting that many :D) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 14:42, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Template Help
Hey Jimeee! Um... Deyvid told me that I should probably ask you for help with templating. I was trying to make a Morrowind version of the SkyrimArmor template, User:Timeoin/MorrowindArmor. As you can see... I had a bit of trouble with it. (They big trouble is that I cant work out how to make, say, the enchantments bit hidable). Do you have any idea how to make it work? :) Anyways, thanks! If you can make it work, great, if not - thats okay, too! Anyways - keep up the good work with the Skyrim pages :D Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 13:28, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess if its easier, they can all be collapsible :) I only ask because the top one (the clone of the one that you made) is, well, its cooler :) The other one will work (I used the coding that I know works (because someone else showed me how to make that particular bit work :D) but yeah ... idk. Just thought I'd ask :) Anyways - night! (its 1am here) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 15:07, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Your Two Cents
Thanks Dad! Your input was totally needed on this issue. For the record, I only brought up my status as #13 because I felt it explained why my input should be valued as much as his, not because I felt it commanded respect. The discussion with this other user ended days ago with no further back and forth, until you chose just now to continue it. I can't imagine why you decided to instigate it further. PS I think you have me confused with someone who actually cares about encouraging new users. Winnersusedrugs (talk) 20:18, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Before you go, please try to remember that in this case, you butted in a dead argument to talk down to me and instigate a back and forth that you in fact denounced me for. Try to adjust your own attitude before you go suggesting that to others. Winnersusedrugs (talk) 20:37, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see you deleted the shameful conversations from your talk page. Good idea, wouldn't want others to see what you're really like. Fear not, I'll be keeping an eye you from now on. Jimeee (talk) 20:45, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I did it because you started up an argument that was dead because you wandered onto my page from somebody else's, got mad, and decided to start trouble. I don't need that every single time a hothead decides to go all white knight. By all means, restore it to its original format, hall monitor! Winnersusedrugs (talk) 20:47, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I might have been later to the party, but if I see someone acting like a dick, i'll call them out on it - I dont care if it happened last month. You simply don't like being called out on your shitty attitude. Well guess what - that's never stopped me before, so carry on as you do. Jimeee (talk) 20:57, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha, seems I'm not the only one, sweetheart ;) Your attitude is just as shitty, and as a bonus, you've also served to reinforce my bitchiness instead of genuinely encourage me to be kind to other users (the one you were defending, btw, I actually apologized to. Nice job). Winnersusedrugs (talk) 21:02, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Aw it's so cute the way you're going around now and trying to look like the nice guy. Instead of, you know, the guy who came out of nowhere to yell at me for a long-dead fight that had actually ended with my apology. Winnersusedrugs (talk) 21:08, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Digging yourself deeper and deeper. Jimeee (talk) 21:13, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Aw, and look who's in here with me!
 * I got shit to do, go ahead and keep amusing yourself by throwing insults at my Talk page. Winnersusedrugs (talk) 21:15, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Jimeee! I will do that :) SzLevente (talk) 14:30, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Hi There!
Same to you! Been a while. Lol. I really appreciated that you split up the category like that. It didn't go unnoticed by me. In fact, I started doing it for Solitude (maybe Riften). Was a while ago. Eventually we'll need to set up the same type of standard for Oblivion cities. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  14:43, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Cities
I don't think the city categories, and their sub-categories, should have the game-name as a prefix. For example, Anvil never appears in any other game. Nor does Windhelm, Dawnstar, Leyawiin, etc. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  16:25, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that city categories should be separated by Quests, Locations, and Characters. That's crucial for keeping the category uncluttered and helping readers find what they're looking for. Personally, I think we should only use game-name prefixes when duplicates exist. For instance Category:Bosmer and Category:Oblivion: Bosmer. These are easily confusable. I don't, however, think Anvil, a city clearly not in Skyrim needs to be differentiated from it. That's just my personal opinion. I realize that ALL the Skyrim city categories have the prefix, but probably this is incorrect formatting (although it is consistent formatting). The original formatting of City name, without game-prefix existed before that. Maybe other editors feel differently than I do. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  16:41, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Categorization here has been a nightmare since the merge, so I've heard. A group of frequent editors needs to get together and agree on where we should go from here. You can always start a topic about it in Forum:Consensus track or on the IRC. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  16:57, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Question about Oblivion Characters
Just a quick one! Honest! If you're adding categories such as Oblivion: Anvil Characters to pages, could you add the other Oblivion: categories as well? :) (I.e. Oblivion: Redguards, Oblivion Males? :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 13:14, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :) I figured it was something like this :) Theres only 800 or so :P Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 13:18, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Patroller
Hey Jimeee! Recently, in the IRC, we've discussed possible candidates for new Patrollers on the wiki. During the discussion, your name was mentioned as a suitable candidate. So far, you've expressed great dedication to the wiki and contributed a great deal. Please contact Elchzard or myself if you were interested in accepting this added responsibility.

Patrollers scout the Recent Changes and New Pages for potential vandalism. With one click, you can revert multiple undesirable edits from a single user. Additionally, you can forward vandals to admins on their talk pages, or by flagging the culprit's userpage with the Vip template, the date, and the infraction. If this sounds like too much for you, that's okay. Love to hear back from you! :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  11:17, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Maps
Those maps you added are pretty impressive. Made them yourself? Great job, mate.

Ikabite (talk) 17:22, January 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree very nice. I didn't realise we were allowed to 'borrow' stuff created by the people at Bethesda who made the official game guide, now I do! Only wish they were a bit bigger to see the key without having to open up the image. You then have to close the image to hide the links to the city locations. And it is a bit like having two keys that are different too. Oh well. Better than the 'other' site.


 * Venerable (talk) 20:55, January 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * The reason they are not bigger on page is it becomes too obtrusive. I came to this solution as trying to match up the links with the image was too problematic and ended up to be just confusing, so I just added the legend in photoshop. Like you say, it's probably better than the alternative.
 * Jimeee (talk) 21:13, January 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well as this is Wiki, other people's points should count. So I will make mine. To be useful a map should be a big as possible without getting in the way of anything else. There is no reason that the city maps you have taken from the digital guide cannot be made larger. There is ample room and therefore could not be described as obtrusive. Matching the links to the images is a logical thing to do to. It is not problematic, just a little difficult and would of added clarity not confusion if done correctly.
 * Venerable (talk) 21:39, January 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course you point counts - I never said it didn't! The maps as they are at the moment sit at 350px width. Some can maybe extended to 400px but any larger and they will start to overlap onto the 'point of interest' and everything starts getting squashed. There just isn't ample room in the 'points of interest' section for a large detailed map.


 * In my opinion (of course other editors/admins might disagree) a huge map taking up the full width of the page is a little obtrusive as it breaks the flow of the page. The map themselves are still pretty large when viewed in their own window. See here


 * As for the legend and the links not matching - the official game guide maps have several labels to pages that don't exist bacause we don't really need such pages - like "City Gates and Drawbridge". They even have labels for characters standing about on the streets for the Solitude map! We obviously wouldn't want to have a character listed in the points of interest page.


 * Trying to shoehorn in our own numbering system into the official maps system would leave gaps in the numbered list and it would look inconsistent.


 * Jimeee (talk) 22:14, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

That is all cool. Glad to be privy to your reasoning. I created my maps to appear at 400pxls and made sure any text was sized correctly and readable without needing to open the image. Any wider would be obtrusive. So actually we agree on this.
 * I would be happy to amend the official maps in PS to remove any labels that do not correspond to the points of interest section, which if I am reading it right would do the trick. I would be happy to trial this on Riverrun so you/we can decide which method you/we prefer (using one of the official maps). I know I could just do it but that would be a bit rude, so thought I would check with you first, same team and all.
 * PS. Are we really allowed to use the maps from the official digital maps? (considering Bethesda charge for the pleasure and would potentially loose income by having them exist on wiki too).Venerable (talk) 12:23, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Blessings
Why did you revert my undo on the blessings page in which someone incorrectly added that blessings last 8 in game hours? Blessings last 8 real world hours, not in-game hours. You can verify this in the game. Select a blessing, look at your active effects and it will show 7 hours (the game timer rounds down as soon as it ticks down to 7:59). Wait or sleep 8 hours, 8 days, it doesn't matter, and the active effects will still show 7 hours. Play the game for an hour and then look at it, and it will still be there and now show 6 hours. --jimnms (talk) 19:02, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Fast ban
Meh. Thanks. I noticed it right away, because I was uploading an image too. At any rate, I only banned him for three days -- a slap on the wrist type of thing. He may not have been aware that nude image are prohibited. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. He uploads more, or vandalizes the wiki in any other way, he'll be perma-banned. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  11:46, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Categorization for Armor
Hi Jimeee. I noticed that you don't agree with my placement of armor in the Apparel category in addition to the Armor category. When you're in game, what category is your armor in? It's in Apparel in mine. That's why I thought it made sense to include armor in the Apparel category on the wiki. A new user looking for different kinds of armor just might follow the lead of the game and look in the Apparel category for armor. Food for thought. GramsJ (talk) 17:13, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Apparel categorization
This can be very confusing. Right now, I believe clothing items appear in both Skyrim: Armor and Skyrim: Apparel because of the SkyrimArmor infobox. Personally, I think this does need fixing. Right now, with the image categories, we have Armor and Apparel images as sub-categories of "Item Images". I like this idea, since technically, they are still items. I don't think armor/apparel/jewelry needs to also be placed in Skyrim: Items, because it'll get really messy really quickly. As far as jewelry goes, I've been labeling that as "Apparel" too. I don't think a Jewelry category is necessary, for the simple fact that there probably shouldn't be individual articles on each piece of jewelry as is. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  12:10, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Blade/sword
Category:Swords refers to Sword weapons across games. If the category becomes too large, we can filter it by game. However, Category:Blades is reserved for members of the Blades faction. I understand that the sword-skill in Oblivion is Blade, but the weapons are still labeled as "swords" in-game. Hope this rationale makes sense. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  10:16, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * A handful of us are already on the IRC, discussing categorization of all things. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  10:24, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

cats
Hiya Jimeeee. I do understand what you are saying about certain categories like Location that has a lot of entries and I do wish there was a better way to help that. I think if we could somehow have the specific category automatically nest within the parent category that would be great but right now it does not seem to be possible. Also, with a strict hierarchical format you have problems with entries that do not fit neatly into one or even 2 cats... for example since it has been used before: Azshara's Star - it is "Misc" based on in-game listing so goes in that cat. It also is a quest item, a daedric item, a magic item, etc .. using a tree this one item will still have to be listed under several cats to allow for cross referencing. --DLanyon (talk) 01:58, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
cool story bro - Chocolateloofa (talk) 12:11, February 9, 2012 (UTC)chocolateloofa

Ancient Helmet
Aaaah. Sorry Jimeee. I thought it was one of the thousand something generic enchantment items. Please undo my edit! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 14:55, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Category
Hey Jimeee! It's not necessarily that I disagree with your edits, but we haven't come to a conclusion yet on how to best categorize the wiki. It would be best to avoid making any major changes until we've had time to discuss it further -- all of us. There are a few of us on the IRC, if you want to join in on the conversation. I'm exhausted and won't be online much longer. At present, even though the voting closed on the forum, I think it's been agreed upon that the results were to close to consider any one side the victor. In the mean time, we need to come up with a comprise and untangle this knot together as a community. :) --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  10:58, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand, and I figured that was the case (you being at work). I agree that "Individuals" vs. "Characters" is something that needs straightening out. We can't have both. I think "Individuals" is left over from the wiki merge. Something that hasn't been cleaned up yet. But, whenever you get the change, jump on the IRC so we can all talk about it. Right now, Tim's not there. And it would be nice if Elch was on to, for the discussion. But, if you're feeling ambitious, you can make a forum in F:CT about some smaller category changes in the mean time. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  11:08, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

For Factions, I don't see a proper way to navigate to it. Unless i am missing where this link is, how do you propose new users to the site locate it? It is not listed in the main menu as other topics - such as vampirism. Also, if you are able to, i was trying to see if the Gameplay link in the main maun could be corrected. Currently it goes to a dead page instead of to the Skyrim: Gameplay page. Dolgar (talk) 14:59, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

ok, i'll review the notes. looks like you guys had the discussion shortly after i joined. Any ideas on the menu link? the page exists, but the link currently points to Skyrim:Gameplay (a dead page) instead of Category: Gameplay. I was going to edit the dead page and place a page forward script to the correct page. That really is an ugly way to do it, but it will get the navigation menu corrected. Any ideas, or is that in the works to fix? Dolgar (talk) 17:18, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Sounds good! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 14:42, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Essential Characters
Sure thing!

StarlinSkyrim (talk) 22:36, February 23, 2012 (UTC)StarlinSkyrim

Word Wall
Do you need any structuring help on the template? It is ill advised to make separate templates for headers. It is best to make them subtemplates of the real ones. ~ Flightmare (talk) 15:24, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * To clarify my post. You could e.g. use: Template:WordWall/Header1 ~ Flightmare (talk) 15:25, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Parser
I didn't share that parser tool for you to post it on your user page, that's my personal server running on my home computer. Next time you do something like that, ask first, that's not cool dude.  HaLo2FrEeEk  Here I am! 11:40, March 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * When I see you on the IRC next I'll give you a link for the replacement, I took the original one down. Please don't share it.  HaLo2FrEeEk  Here I am! 11:58, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Unmarked Location Template
My mistake, uploaded the smaller version of the Mount Anthor Summit image. All in all, are you okay with the new SkyrimUnmarkedLocations template ?

The idea was simply to have a common introduction sentence for all unmarked location. ("xxx is an unmarked location in Skyrim"). If you feel this isn't worth the bother, I'll revert to the Location template. Most of the unmarked location pages don't use any location templates yet, which is why I came up with the idea.

Hey thanks, appreciated.

Re: Notes
Okay, I'll bear that in mind. Thanks for telling me. Sgt. S.S. (talk) 21:07, March 12, 2012 (UTC)