Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-3485828-20140722174414/@comment-24700384-20140801010318

Ghost Anubis wrote: My point is that the rule already exists, this entire debate started from the fact that somebody in chat solicited their age in chat & was banned for it. This thread exists, because of that failed policy, in which not to disclose personal information. So you say they CAN stop it, no they can't. They can enforce a new policy, or the current one but they can't stop anybody from doing it. The current rule already proves this. It has always been up to the user in question whether or not to disclose it, no amount of rules or guidelines will prevent it. It always was & always will be, up to the user who decides.

Secondly the wiki's administrators are guilty of doing it on their own accord as well. It would only serve to kick/ban users from the chat, & drive more people away from the wiki. Even if the rule was enforced, it was already said, therefore it's already public knowledge. No kick, ban, or block will change that.

Anybody could just as easily say their name or age to anybody in chat, via private messages & there is no way whatsoever to enforce it. Unless they admit to it themselves, or the person they told admits it happened.

This wiki is a public domain just like anywhere else. You aren't required to fill out your personal data on facebook, or twitter, or wherever else. You can leave it blank or hide it from everybody else if you choose to do that. People on here can make their username their name, or a random name. Just like anywhere else. Anybody can view your profile, or anything you do on this wiki. The chat in itself is public, to anybody who goes there.

That's a matter of opinion, it's not up to you to decide if they can or can't share information about themselves. I know you think it is, but it isn't. If somebody wants to share their name, (like I have done) or their age (like I have also done) that's entirely up to me. Not up to you, or up to anybody else. This is a public domain, that's why anybody & everybody can come here & edit, post on the forums, or join the chat.

I have information on my own profile page that I chose to put there. Under my own accord, acknowledging the fact that this is a public domain & anybody can view it. The admins or otherwise can't delete my website from my page, or my twitter. They would have to ask me to do it, & I don't see any reason whatsoever to do that.

The username is already completely different from the persons name, unless they chose a name with their real name in it. Or added it to their profile page, which they have every right to do. Wikia staff is just as gulity of this as anybody else is.

I know that most people here like to live in a fantasy land, & come up with hypothetical scenarios, & what ifs. Make consensus after consensus about stuff that doesn't even matter, that's illogical to enforce, to attempt to enforce, or that's unwelcoming to people. Why don't we actually focus on what the entire spirit of the wiki is about? Adding information to the articles, & editing the mainspace. Of course though, banning underage users on chat, & disallowing personal information of any kind on a public domain should be front and center on everybodies mind.

The entire reason this wiki exists is for TES, not for everybody to squabble in chat & come up with these ridiculous hypothetical scenarios. Create drama, try entrapping everybody by recording every conversation that happens in private messages. Either for the purpose of destroying another user, making themselves look better, or just blackmailing them. Or just live in another fantasy world where we all just RP all day, & do nothing constructive for the wiki.

If just 10% of the users on this thread actually edited the mainspace. & actually added to or created articles doing exactly what this wiki is really about then things would be much better. You're right about exactly two things here:

1.It IS a public domain area, and you're entitled to make any mistakes you wish. Has anyone ever been hurt from the very things you're arguing for/saying can't be helped? Yes. Has anyone made changes to prevent it from hapening again? Also yes, but you can't save someone that wants to do something stupid badly enough.

2." If just 10% of the users on this thread actually edited the mainspace. & actually added to or created articles doing exactly what this wiki is really about then things would be much better."

you......are....soooooooo.......right !! The chat SHOULD be removed, as well as personal pages with anything other than wiki contribution stats. That would fix the issue ENTIRELY without a margin of error or anyone vapable of violating the policy. They're just distractions to whats really going on here anyway; If you're here to be seen, you're not helping, and if you're helping, what you do is seen by more people than you ever could get views from with just your own self promotion. I'm just glad you said it before I reached the eventuality of saying it myself at a later time. Thanks man!