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Fourth Legion
Oh man that's really embarrassing. Thank you again. —Atvelonis (talk) 22:10, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Morrowind Characters
Are you referring to the preload templates? Everything in those is suggested for articles, but if it doesn't apply to the page you're making then you can remove it. So for example if the character is not a merchant, you don't have to keep any of those merchant sections. The Morrowind one is a little more complicated than some of the other ones but I don't know the reason for this. So you can keep using the preload templates but only keep the sections you're going to add information to. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:09, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Augurius Bucco
Hi Jauffre. When you're making a lore page like Augurius Bucco, you have to include references to where the information is coming from. Now, I know that the stuff on there is coming from the The Blackwater War books, but readers don't know that, and they can't read the source text if it isn't linked. Plus, not referencing things makes us look sloppy and unorganized, which is what we should try to avoid. I don't know how familiar you are with references in general, but here's how to make a regular reference:

Bucco commanded the Fourth Legion.

You'll notice very soon that you'll have to reference the same book more than once. Here's how to properly do this:

Bucco commanded the Fourth Legion.

Then, when you want to make another reference to that same text later in the article you're writing, you'd just have to do this:

He was a young and charismatic commander.

Don't forget the / at the end if you're using this trick in particular, otherwise it won't work. Anyway, if you're going to be using any references, you also have to insert at the very bottom of the article so that the references have somewhere to appear.

Some other things: if you're going to continue editing I would HIGHLY suggest you do not use Visual Editor in articles. It creates a significant amount of useless  codes for example, which you can see here, and we have to clean it all up. I would recommend using Source Editor instead of Visual, as it is a lot more stable and offers a lot more features. To do this, go to your preferences -> Editing -> Editing experience -> Preferred editor -> Source editor, then hit Save at the bottom. You may or may not see color highlights in the code when you edit. These can be disabled by selecting the "Do not show syntax highlighting in Source mode" box just under that, if you don't like them.

One last thing—when writing lore articles in general, you want to paraphrase and summarize, not copy directly from the sources. They are usually not written the best and even if they are the only time you should be directly quoting a text is if you're actually using the Quote template. If you're ever unsure of how to properly format something, take a look at an article written by Dovahsebrom such as Reman Empire or Alessian Order etc., as they are near-perfect, or ask an administrator about it—we'll do our best to help. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:20, January 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, forgot to mention this in my previous message, but it's a good idea to organize an article into specific topics which you differentiate using headers. I'll likely end up rewriting the page at some point, but in the future you should be a little more watchful with how you write lore pages. It might be a good idea to use a sandbox page like a lot of us have (either on our userpages or on a subpage of that), as that will give you somewhere to experiment with different approaches and all. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:56, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Aldmeri Navy
Re-read comment #42 of the thread, I already explained that. I edited it in bold and italics and underlined it, since you seem to keep missing it over and over again.

Unless you have proof to counter that, stop contacting me. This is getting old.  DRAEVAN13  15:44, February 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Jauffre, you seriously believe the Thalmor could cover every inch of Tamriel with just their soldiers? How many Elves do you fit on Summerset's main island(s)?


 * Why didn't they conquer Tamriel long before Tiber Septim if they're apparently this unstoppable and have practically an unlimited amount of mer-power and resources? Why can the Ebonheart Pact and the Dagger Convenant in ESO put up a fight against them, if the scales of power were that much in their favour, they ALONE could conqueror Tamriel completely? Does that make much sense to you?


 * I don't think it does, personally. Zippertrain85 (talk) 16:06, February 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * (I'm going to butt in here for a second, sorry) The Aldmeri Dominion in ESO is a completely different thing. The only thing it has in common with the later two "Aldmeri Dominions" is the name and kind of the same general goal of High Elven supremacy. —Atvelonis (talk) 21:26, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Imperial Legion Archer (Oblivion)
I marked the article you created for deletion because we already had an article about that character. (See: Imperial Legion Archer) I moved the info from the article you started to the original. If you want to add more info about this dude, you can add it to that page. The Cat Master (talk) 23:16, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Roads
Jauffre, you need to give a specific source for the information you added here. "The Arcane University" is not specific in any way, as there are a lot of books there. If you give me a source or add it yourself the information can remain on the page, but until then it's staying reverted. Thank you. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:19, February 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * I looked it up in the Construction Set and found the dialogue, so I've re-added the information about the roads now. And yeah, you may want to invest some time into adding dialogue to the NPC pages as well so that there is something to use as a reference in the future. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:52, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

Re: The Bastion Tower
What is the name of the entire tower in the game? From what i understand from your message, the intent of that page was to cover only the lower section. If that is the case, we don't create separate pages for each sublocation of a building. According to UESP, the whole building is called The Bastion, hence the renaming. Of course they could be wrong. I don't have access to the game at the moment, so i can't confirm the building's name myself. If you let me know what the entire building is called I will rename the page back to The Bastion Tower, or leave it as The Bastion depending on what it's called in the game. The Cat Master (talk) 21:03, February 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * What is the name of the whole building? I get that the lower part of it is called The Bastion and the the upper tower part is called The Bastion Tower, but are they not sublocations of one building. The Elder Council Chambers is a sublocation of the overall White-Gold Tower/Imperial Palace, which also includes the Palace Basement, Imperial Guard Quarters, Elder Scrolls Library, Moth Priest's Quarters and the Imperial Battlemage's Chambers. The Cat Master (talk) 22:50, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary (Elsweyr)
Wow! they are similar. Even though the original was created in 2013, I think yours is written a little bit better. There is also the matter of the spelling of Corinth. There are two spellings and Corinth and Corinthe, and both appear to be correct. The 2013 version uses Corinth without the "e", while the page you created used Corinthe, which is how it is spelled in Cicero's Journal, Volume II. I need to think how to handle that. My first instinct is to mark the original page for deletion, and keep the one you created. However, I may rename yours to Corinthe Sanctuary, mainly because i don't believe we need the The in the title, but that's not too important. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. The Cat Master (talk) 22:24, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Attitude
Hi Jauffre, I've seen that you've been a little to rough on some users, such as on this thread. In a debate, there's no need to make things personal. I kindly ask you to be less aggressive, as you've insulted several users already. Thanks.
 * "Bloody" is not what I'm referring to. Several users, including multiple staff members all agree that you attitude in several threads is too mean spirited. As for Bronkiin, the only thing he's done wrong was say what you wrote was "rubbish". This is a single offense, and in addition when I asked you to tone down you didn't. While you didn't insult him much in that thread, I have reports of it happening in other threads. So again, please be less aggressive. Thanks.


 * He didn't insult you, he complained/made a joke about the posts. Was it rough? Yes. No insult though. You're misunderstanding me. It's not just the civil war thread. Again, I have heard by multiple users that you had a bad attitude. Your posts on my talk page are examples of that. I'm asking you again to tone it down. Thanks.


 * Why do you keep mentioning me? Otto is warning you about your aggressive and sarcastic demeanor across multiple threads, not just the one I'm also on. Our interactions are 5% of the problem. At this point you have been warned politely to tone it down. I recommend ceasing with your sarcastic replies on Otto's talkpage and listening. The next step after a warning is a ban. Bronkiin (talk) 16:25, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * As Bronkiin here stated, once again, tone it down. I shouldn't have to show you proof, since this is simply a suggestion. Fine. I'll get other users here and point out threads to show you proof. Here a place to start.


 * Here is more evidence of his bad attitude for you; more proof. In that thread I tried to calmly state my point but when it didn't agree with his Blademaster Jauffre became aggressive and insulting. It seems he can't handle anyone with a conflicting opinion - I acknowledged the truth in some of his replies but he routinely insulted me and stubbornly stuck to his point refusing to even acknowledge the virtues in a differing one. Enigma24 (talk) 11:47, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Septim Empire
Dear Jauffre,

Sorry for not leaving a reason, rollback doesn't leave a "reason" option and I should have been faster to mention it on your talkpage. The removal was largely a combination of reasons between spelling and accuracy/precision of information that was available. To say that Morrowind "joined"/was "conquered" is actually probably too simplistic. Indeed, that combined with the fact that specific dates don't exist for the points most of the provinces joined the Empire, the table starts to become slightly unnecessary. Fundamentally, however a phenomenon as complex as the creation of the Septim Empire cannot really be put into a table with the level of professionalism and accuracy needed on a wiki. Perhaps prose may be more appropriate?

Regards,

Bronkiin (talk) 21:26, April 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, something as complex as the Septim Conquests and the foundation of the Empire would be very tricky to put into a table. Tiber Septim did conquer most of the Provinces but Morrowind and the Dunmer have always been a special case. Nothing is every simple where the Dunmer are concerned. Enigma24 (talk) 21:31, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

Block
Hi Jauffre. I'm going to have to inform you that you've been blocked from the wiki for a period of two weeks. This is not something I enjoy interfering with, but you're going to have to cut down the level of hostility, rudeness, and overall disrespect in your comments. You have been asked multiple times by staff members and regular users alike to be less of an ass in your comments. However, you have not done so. I'm not going to bother quoting all of the comments in question as there are quite a lot. You know exactly what I'm talking about. The vibe that I'm getting from your comments is that you think you are above the rules for some reason. Please take your time off to re-read the rules and reconsider the way you get your thoughts across. Thank you. —Atvelonis (talk) 22:10, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Public Notice (page)
I've deleted the For public notice page now. Thanks for letting me know. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:33, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Deleted the other one too, thanks again. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:22, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Bronkiin is getting on my nerves
Your initial edit looks fine. I think he saw the edit summary you left and reverted it based off of that, rather than the actual content of your edit. He came to me on Steam earlier and we worked out a solution, and decided that it should probably be removed anyway since it was rather speculative. Bron reverted his edit so it's fixed now.

Thanks for coming to me with this instead of edit warring with him, you saved us all some trouble. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:06, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, it goes both ways. If you can't deal with a single reversion without throwing a fit and posting pointless walls of text in an attempt to get someone in trouble, then it's time for you to reexamine your behavior (unless you're wanting to get another block, ofc). --Shockstorm (talk) 23:58, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Irrelevant
You're right. thanks for pointing that out. The Cat Master (talk) 16:54, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, sorry bout that. but i don't understand why it's irrelevant. The events that are decribed just below the pic i added were related (calm is restored to cyrodiil after oblivion) it was a pic of cyrodiil? thanks for leting me know so i don't do the same mistake in the future. AgentOfMara (talk) 19:35, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Thanks for the reply, no it's ok, you might be right. I though it was a nice header, but i don't mind either way. :)

AgentOfMara (talk) 19:43, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Your issues
Hey Jauffre,

When you're adding a refs tag to pages, you're tending to add  around refs tags. This is causing your reference tags to break and not work. However, I don't think you're causing the mistake.

Judging from the fact I used to have a simular issue with my signatures and nowiki tags, I'm predicting you're using the classical editor. The classical editor is known to have bugs, namely with categories, however, that issue with nowiki also exists. As such, for editing, I recommend you switch your editor to the source editor via going to preferences and changing it. You can find that here.

If you still have issues with editing, including anything not relating to ref tags, free free to drop me a message at my talkpage or any one of the staff.


 * You're adding reference tags perfectly, minus the nowiki tags that are being added. If you haven't already, try to do what I said above. I'm not sure if you tried it or not, as I haven't gotten any form of confirmation from you on that. If that doesn't solve the issue, try to join chat please. Thanks.
 * And we sincerely request that you stop leaving litigious nonsense on people's talk pages or adding speculation to the wiki. --Shockstorm (talk) 20:55, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

imperial/stormcloak debate points
I have seen your post on my talk page and I appreciate your offer. I am already very active in stormcloak/imperial debates, and I think most of the points I would be given I would already know. For this reason I am declining. Thanks anyway. The imperial battlemage (talk) 5:10, May 7th, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Pfft
Dear Jauffre,

Alternate accounts are totally outlawed on this wiki and will result in bans for both accounts. The admins do not know about my "Shockstorm" account, so please keep that quiet.

Regards,

Bronkiin (talk) 02:00, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Bronkiin
I am positive that Shockstorm and Bronkiin are in fact different people. They have this joke that they are the same person which isn't meant to be taken seriously. Bron is now claiming on his profile that he is the same person as Shock, Kora, Crusader, Sajuuk, Jimeee, Jyggalag, and myself, which should be a dead giveaway that he is joking. The sheer absurdity of putting that much effort into that many alternate accounts for that amount of time should be a pretty big hint that you've fallen for something. It would be best if you dropped the matter entirely as it is obvious that you misunderstood it. —Atvelonis (talk) 01:49, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Blades membership
Salutations Jauffre. As you know, membership in the Emperor's personal guard is an incredibly high honor and responsibility. It has come to our attention that you may not actually be a legitimate member of the Blades at all. If you are in fact an official Blade, please send proof to the admin's headquarters in the Imperial Palace. Materials sent without the seal of Weynon Priory will not be accepted. Thank you. --Shockstorm (talk) 02:33, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Admin
Jauffre, the very first message I posted on your wall was meant to be so ridiculous that you would know instantly it was a joke. Everyone else did. I absolutely could not believe you fell for it. I've been trying to tell you now for three days that we are not the same person, so what exactly do you want Atv to put a stop to? Even more amusing is the charge of harassment. You've repeatedly refused to listen to reason the last three days, spamming my talkpage with nonsense about the "game" being "up". So no, you trying to convince me I'm an alt on my own talkpage does not count as me harassing you. Now cut it out. You have made yourself the laughing stock of this wiki over the last few days. For me, it stopped being funny a while back, hence I asked Atv to message you. Stop digging your hole deeper, and don't tell Atv how to do his job.

Bronkiin (talk) 15:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

What if I told you... That I was a talking duck?
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

- Mark Twain

Me and several others have been following your talk page messages. At first it seemed harmless and was a bit entertaining seeing yourself not being able to sleep at night and going out of your way to blow on the flames trying to make it bigger. Lately it has been exceedingly annoying and now it's just disruptive. So 1 or 2 guys make a joke once that they were the same person? Hmm... I am pretty sure I have made that same joke at least once or twice, same as every other dude that goes on chat but no one ever falls for it. For some reason you think they really are the same and/or they are actually trying to behave similarly to fuel that one joke, all for you? Are you like some overly-attached-fan of that joke? Bronkiin has been trying to point out how silly you sound each time you message him but you just seem to be stuck so far deep in the hole you've made, you'd rather turn into a Falmer than dig yourself out and just stay blind to all the silliness. To be frank, I don't really like Bronkiin much, we have a lot of disagreements so this isn't me trying to defend him, you are the one whose doing this to yourself. Please stop... 15:40, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous. I've known Shock and Bron since I came here. Shockstorm has been an editor for years before Bronkiin. Check both of their editing histories. Both have edited at the same time a lot.


 * But wait, maybe this is some big scheme by them; he built up his accounts ultimately for this reveal. Bron and Shock are obviously alts. They've certainly done nothing for this wiki. Those like 70k+ edits are all spam.


 * Just no. A joke from start to finish, every person on this wiki has seen that. You've taken a simple prank and turned it into a flame war. Congratulations.


 * It's quite obvious you're trying to cause trouble. Everything Bron and Shock have done is to help the wiki. As a user who has been blocked for hostile behavior, you are in no place to make such accusations. All of this nonsense was for nothing. If your plan was to get rid of Bron, it won't work. If your plan was to cause backlash, then bravo. You've succeeded.


 * Telling one of the best admins we've ever had on this wiki how to do their job is absolutely disgraceful. Atvelonis knows what he is doing. Bron and Shock know what they are doing. You claim to be an administrator before. Act like one. These pointless accusations and provocation on your end is exactly that: pointless.


 * So the staff here are corrupt. Great. Thanks. Get fucking real. The staff here are competent. Thus, Bron and Shock are not blocked. Why? Because they are not alts.


 * But what do I know? I'm just the neighborhood moderator. I know nothing and am corrupt. Maybe I'm Atvelonis's alt and just don't know it yet.


 * Hmm, let's see...You haven't supplied any proof of Bronkiin breaking rules. If you meant the joke about alts, then that's not proof at all. Users here joke about being alts all the time. Crusader jokingly calls himself SuperSajuuk and Qahnaaran1997 all the time. It doesn't harm anyone, nor does it break the rules. As for your ban, we had evidence. I brought it up to both you and Atv multiple times how you were hostile. We had every reason to ban you for your hostile behavior. You claim to "know" that the ban was not justified and that Bron broke the rules, but yet you're the one who supplies no proof of this.

About Brok and shockstorm.
Dear, Blademaster. They are NOT the same person. It's a joke between brokiin and shockstorm. Let's look at the facts here, shock's account has been around since 2012. Bron's account since 2015. If they were the same person, don't you think staff from the past and the present would have investigated by now? Another fact I will make is they live in different parts of the world. Shock living in texas, and bron living in the untied Kingdom. If you actually believe they're the same person then feel free too use this link and have wikia staff conduct a IP check. Starkiller131 (talk) 20:02, May 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Gullibility is not evidence, all you have is your twisted belief that they are the same person. Admins and everyone else are denying your claims because it is silly. This is all because you dislike Bronkiin and you are trying to make him look bad, nothing more. If you actually believe they are the same person (I am sad for you) then why not ask a wikia staff to check their IPs? Specially since you insist he broke ToU (which he didn't). Impersonating someone is not the same as making a joke about it. I'd be happy to see REAL evidence because that would prove you wrong, and after all this freaking drama you've caused, it could actually get you blocked, not them.
 * 20:13, May 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * I read your message, what do you think I was replying to? How thick can you get? Freaking report it to wikia staff already!! And stop saying Bronkiin is a wikia staff, it's like everything you say is wrong at this point. Wow... AGAIN, he did not break rules, impersonation is not the same as a simple joke, he didn't insist he was Shockstorm, he didn't try to do anything bad and blame it on shockstorm, nothing. And stop saying you know about laws, it's getting even more and more ridiculous, you have no clue what you are saying. I had an impersonator once and I got it globally blocked: User:RenzXVII I can genuinely say I know the impersonation rules well. Just freaking report this to wikia staff (not Bronkiin) already and get yourself blocked.
 * 20:29, May 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Jauffre, it is time you give this nonsense NOW! It has gotten bloody ridiculous, and it just makes you look like a jerk. The Cat Master (talk) 20:31, May 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * I was supposed to start ignoring you but I'd reply one last time just because you posted something hilarious on my talk page and made me laugh, you really had to post the entire Staff Nav template on my talk page? Lol. This is like I am teaching a first grader... This is what is known as "Wikia Staff" and this is what is known as "Local Staff", "Wiki staff" (note the lack of "a" on the word wiki) or just "Staff". "Wikia Staff" own the entire Wikia and the local staff just run this wiki. You should stop comparing his "alt joke" to death threats, cops shooting people etc., you have to be extremely insensitive or mindfucked on drugs to make that far of a comparison. If you keep this up, this is all going to end up on reddit or 4chan or something. Oh, and since you pointed out the ToU, you do understand that you have to be above 13 to be on wikia, right? I am starting to think you aren't because every single thing has to be explained to you and then you accuse me of not being able to read. Wow... :p Goodbye!
 * 21:00, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Stormcloak
Thanks, it's something I've wanted to do for a while now. I'll be doing the same thing for Imperial soldiers as well when I get the chance. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:06, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Vigil of Stendarr and the Imperial Legion
Hi Jauffre,

I've been thinking about our discussion about the Vigil of Stendarr. I just wanted to clarify my point - the Vigil hunts Deadra in order to kill them and Daedra worshippers in order to arrest them. It would be a case of shutting down the cult and dragging its members away in chains after killing the Daedra itself. But we do know that they do hunt and kill conjurers as Bethseda has made obvious in the lore. Yes, the Orc Strongholds openly worship Malacath and one even has a statue of him but you'd have to be mad to march into an Orc Stronghold and tell them what they can and cannot do. I mean, if your playing a non-Orc character they essentially tell you to get off their land. The Orcs would be left to their own devices because neither the Vigil nor the Imperial Legion has the inclination to forcibly outlaw their Daedra worship - the Orcs would only fight creating an unneccesary war.

What do you think about the idea of the Vigil of Stendarr working with the Imperial Legion? I mean Stendarr is the patron diety of the Imperial Legion - the Vigil could operate as a religious militant attachment to the Legion in that the Vigil takes care of Daedra-related matters while the Legion fights the wars. You can reply on your own talk page by the way. Enigma24 (talk) 01:08, May 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * You have a good point there. A Daedric cult would need to be dangerous in order to attract the attention of the Vigil and make an investigation neccessary. Vigilants would arrest Daedric worshippers but someone would first need to report the cult to the Vigil. They don't just wander about in every settlement knocking on doors - it's sort of like a police detective. Someone reports Daedra activity and the Vigil sends a team of Vigilants to investigate. But we do see Vigilant patrols in the game - they are out on patrolling hunting Daedra and likely signs of Daedric worship. Back to the Rorikstead myth - if someone reported a case of Daedric worship in Rorikstead then the Vigil would likely send Vigilants to have a look around but they wouldn't just come marching into town banging on doors. On the other hand, the Imperial Legion could take control of the town and search it by force then call in the Vigil if they found traces of Daedra worship.


 * I have always thought that the Imperial Legion and the Vigil of Stendarr would be linked somehow or at least working together. Stendarr is central in both groups and they are both closely tied to the Empire. I have liked to have seen the Vigil having a larger role - actively forcibly shutting down Daedra cults and killing Daedra. The destruction of the Hall of the Vigilant and the slaughter of most Vigilants in Skyrim would only bring greater Vigil attention to Skyrim. Don't worry, a new Keeper and a detachement will be on its way. Vigil code of operation - kill Daedra, imprison Daedra worshippers. You would need a whole damn Legion to forcibly make an Orc Stronghold end its Daedra worship. They don't take kindly to non-green folk telling them what to do. Enigma24 (talk) 11:34, May 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, but the Daedric Princes don't know death as they are immortal. So they would not be afraid of death nor would they care about the deaths of their worshippers. Malacath for example enjoys watching mortals kill each other and Molag Bal frequently asks his worshippers to kill each other or other people. If we want to be realisitic then the Vigil would at least arrest any Daedra worshippers they find and throw them in the nearest dungeon - but not necessarily kill them unless the specific case requires it. So, those who worship Daedra would be quietly arrested by the Vigil within public knowledge and any Daedra they might have summoned swiftly killed. Remember, the Vigil of Stendarr was formed after the Oblivion Crisis to guard against Daedra and their worshippers - Daedra are to be killed and their worshippers imprisoned. It wouldn't make any sense to leave a cult intact. The Vigil would at least forcibly disband the cult and warn its member not to continue their worship.


 * Stendarr is the patron god of the Imperial Legion. So he would have a greater role than Akatosh - he is essentially the god of the Legion. Akatosh would be involved as well to a lesser degree, as he is the chief god, but Stendarr would have a very central role. There is a reason they made Stendarr their patron.


 * (PS. Yes, I am a huge Legion fan! The Imperial Legion is the only thing stopped the Aldmeri conquering Tamriel. At the Battle of the Red Ring the Imperial Legion even managed to defeat the Dominion in battle and wiped out its military presence in Cyrodiil) Enigma24 (talk) 22:54, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Virgar The Red
Hmm, that's weird. All the sources I looked up say it's "the". So I'm not sure. --Shockstorm (talk) 20:17, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.
I just wanted to say thanks for your support on the application, and don't worry about me not being active. Only times I'm inactive is due to certain problems, mostly due to multiple storms this year. What is the Music of Life? talk 08:23, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Legionnaire Figurine
It's not my opinion or idea. This was decided on in the past my Tim and others. Feel free to bring it up in the next moot so we can change it, but you should probably put off creation of those pages for a bit. Alright?

Ikabite (talk) 16:45, June 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * ESO has literally hundreds of thousands of items, and they function in very different ways to the ones in previous TES games. I think the plan is to have pages for their categories (ie. Treasure, Crafting etc...) and list them underneath. I think things are a little bit up in the air with that, but only by virtue of the fact we haven't started yet.


 * Regards,


 * Bronkiin (talk) 16:49, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Last Dragonborn
Jauffre,

Do what you want with the page, I don't care. The fact still stands however, that the Dragonborn was still trying to cross the border illegally. Whether or not that was why they were captured by the Imperials doesn't matter, but I think that the crossing the border bit is still too significant to leave out. Maybe you can reword in a way to where that is still included, but also isn't leaving much room for debate/speculation and doesn't meld in with any of the other bits. -Kora Stormblade (talk) 16:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * How is it "Fanmade" when Ralof says it in his dialogue during Unbound (which is ingame, mind you)? The page doesn't even have to say that it was illegal, just that they were trying to cross the border and ended up running into an imperial ambush and getting caught, which is exactly what happened. -Kora Stormblade (talk) 16:45, July 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * He never says "They said", he says "You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there." It wasn't really a question either, moreso a rhetorical one.


 * Also, why would he be telling us something that we didn't do? Why would Bethesda put that in there, to let us know how we started off as a prisoner with a blank slate (like most other games they start with) if you say it's up to speculation? We crossed the border, ran into an Imperial ambush and got captured, that's why. There is no doubts or speculation or fanfiction and if there is then you're digging too hard at this. Also, even if he says "They said you were trying to cross the border", you still made contradicting points. At one part you mentioned:
 * "For example, if the LDB was arrested for crossing the border it wouldn't have been a misunderstanding"
 * Then, you go on to say:
 * "That's the entire point, there is no such thing as illegally crossing borders when it's merely provinces of an Empire. The whole 'illegally crossing the border' thing is fanmade."
 * That is almost quite literally the opposite of what you had said earlier. Either way, it's just a single edit that's already done and over with. If you don't want to see that the Dragonborn actually had crossed the border, and it really shouldn't be something up to that much speculation, then that isn't something for me to deal with, and frankly I don't want to spend all day going over in circles over something this minor. -Kora Stormblade (talk) 15:02, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

ESO Legion Project
I apologize for my late response, I'd be happy to help you with your project! You'll have to wait a little though, as I am currently on vacation and don't have access to ESO. Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope you will still accept my help! The imperial battlemage (talk) 21:03, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Alright then, I might be on chat later, so can you tell me then what the project is about? Thanks.

The imperial battlemage (talk) 09:04, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good, I look forward to working on this project

The imperial battlemage (talk) 09:18, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hello Jauffre. I heard what happened in chat and was wondering if you'd consider coming back and start over Tuzin (talk) 19:51, August 4, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I forget to check my message wall. I meant I heard about you saying that one of the members of the wiki had a second account thing. Some of the others were talking and I just thought that it's better if everyone gets along Tuzin (talk) 18:59, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Legion Soldiers in a Legion
It's from two seperate quotes that I found out. The first:

"General Takar had about five thousand legionnaires with him, mostly mounted infantry and battlemages."

Then a few pages later two Penitus Occulatus agents were discussing the battle:

"Takar made a preliminary strike, he took a legion."  DRAEVAN13 15:45, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Speculation on the Shadow Legion article
Hi Blademaster Jauffre,

First off, I wanted to thank you for all the information you've been adding to articles, and the ones you've created. I noticed something on the Shadow Legion article you created though, specifically the last part; "Jouane Manette, an ex-legion healer, might have been part of the Shadow Legion as well." To say she 'might' have been part of the Shadow Legion is speculation, something which we don't allow. It's very important that you always properly source the information you've added. Also, I'd like to ask you a question about the Shadow Legion. Does being a battlemage in the Imperial Legion automatically make you part of the legion in question? If not, how do we know if anyone in Skyrim is even part of it?

Thanks,

CarloV3r (talk) 14:32, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Attrebus
Isn't this image a picture of Attrebus, not just a guard? I don't see anything indicating the latter on the source. We also don't use renders or images with transparent backgrounds for NPC articles, if it is actually an image of a guard; they have to be taken from in-game. —Atvelonis (talk) 01:37, September 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Bumping this message. You also need to be a little more specific for references in articles such as Legate Cassia; at least give the Chapter number that the information came from. Just the name of the game is not enough. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:17, September 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Those references are equally vague, and equally undesirable. You need to be as specific as you possibly can when sourcing anything. Is it more effort? Yes. But is it worth it? Yes, definitely. Our reputation as a wiki isn't too great right now for this exact reason—our lore articles are not up to par, and never will be unless we start improving references, structure, and content in general. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:29, September 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * You would be absolutely wrong in that regard (the people who are complaining are the ones who like MK, anyway). Don't try and squirm out of this; you need to improve the way you are writing lore articles. Have you seen how well-referenced Dovahsebrom's articles are? For example, Nordic Empire has 62 references, none of which are anywhere near as vague as an entire game. Look closely at the reference for The Daggerfall Chronicles: he noted that the information was obtained from the "Timeline" section of the book. This is the type of specificity that is required for such texts. In the case of Legends and the novels, you need to include the Chapter names at the very minimum. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:40, September 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * This isn't about MK, or me "picking on you." I messaged you because I saw the page that you created. You referenced it poorly, so I thought it would be productive to explain to you that you have to be more specific. I do this with anyone who is sourcing information incorrectly. While I am glad that you previously informed me of the inaccuracy of the Fourth Legion page, it is completely irrelevant in this situation.


 * At this point you're trying to shift the topic of conversation away from your fault and towards something unrelated. There has never been any confusion here—references should not be this vague, as that makes them orders of magnitude less useful to readers and editors alike. References that are vague should be updated. We try to fact-check things whenever we can, but it's impossible to rewrite everything in an instant.


 * You should really be going back and edit the page again instead of arguing with me. It would be infinitely more productive to simply correct the reference and be more specific in the future. That way, there won't be any problems. —Atvelonis (talk) 17:09, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

Vague
Hi Blademaster,

I get that it can be frustrating when someone indivually points you out when something is done by multiple people, but try not to take it personally, as it isn't meant personally in any way. Atvelonis was just trying to give a friendly suggestion, not attack you. It's just very important that everything is properly sourced, and that it's clear. You just happened to have just made an edit which was vaguely sourced, and Atvelonis simply notified you of it. He's really only trying to help you, and the Wiki, by trying to improve it. Again, don't take it personally.

Thanks,

CarloV3r (talk) 17:30, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

Second block
Hello Jauffre, I have to inform you that you have been blocked for making multiple insults/personal attacks on this thread. You are allowed to have conversations like this, and in fact such discussions are beneficial to the wiki, but you are not permitted to insult other users on the wiki for simply disagreeing with you, no matter how "idiotic" their arguments may appear. I did not give any examples the last time you were blocked, as I assumed you knew what you did wrong. Apparently, that was not the case. For future reference, here are two comments you should have thought twice about before posting:


 * "MK is utter bullshit, and the people following him are mere sheep. Just like the people on the IL."
 * "Doesn't surprise me that a mierenneuker such as yourself doesn't realise that though... Oh wait, mierenneuker is too great a compliment for the likes of you."

There were several other snide remarks from you in the thread as well. These are personal attacks and are not constructive. When you are arguing with someone, it is best to provide relevant information to counter their points instead of attacking them (rule of thumb: attack the argument, not the person). Even if you believe the attack is harmless, it makes for a hostile environment and does not add anything insightful to the conversation.

I understand that arguments can get heated sometimes, but it is paramount that you remain calm during future exchanges on the wiki. Your block will end in a month; be aware that a next infraction will likely result in a block of several months. Thank you. —Atvelonis (talk) 21:35, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Personal attacks
Sothas' reply wasn't put nicely but it isn't something to warrant a block. I took it more as "You need to do more research" rather than "You're an idiot." I recall speaking to the others privately on the Chat and they seemed to understand that they shouldn't make such comments in the future. Any further disruptions on their parts will result in a block. —Atvelonis (talk) 18:46, October 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * My 20% virgin joke was not an attack on a person, it was a joke used as an analogy for a statement. Saying The Imperial Library has SOME canon content then saying it's 100% NOT canon = being a 20% virgin.


 * It's funny when someone tries too hard to win a long over due argument, specially since my point had already been proven: you did end up getting blocked. Add the fact that my post that time was intended to be your wake-up call but you still continued and got blocked... and now it still hasn't ended even after the block? Good luck re-stirring things up again. :p

Re: Civil War
The question as to when the Civil War started is a difficult one, as there are many conflicting sources. It is accepted (largely) that open Civil War began with the assassination/murder/death of Torygg.

The Stormcloaks themselves were around long before the outbreak of Civil War. Their existence was almost certainly illegal, but at that stage there was no outright rebellion. So, in the case you cite, it is likely she joined the Stormcloaks before the Civil War/death of Torygg, and then was killed in action afterwards. So, in regards to Toryggs death, I think it's fairer to say that it pushed Skyrim from quasi-rebellion to outright Civil War, rather than (a, being the cause of the War, and (b, escalating an already existing full blown rebellion.

The Prophecy states that certain things will be happening/will have happened at the point Alduin returns. Alduin was sent forward in time by an Elder Scroll to an unknown point. The Prophecy simply says ~ "the place he arrives at will look like this". The description of the prophecy lays out the circumstances of his return, not the causes.

The idea that the conditions were right for his return (ie, lots of dead because of the Civil War, thus many vulnerable souls) would hold more weight. However, that would need some pretty damn precise sourcing. As it stands, it's not much more than a theory.

Bronkiin (talk) 18:08, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Daedric princes choices for the dragonborn.
I think the dragonborn can choose whatever they will serve, from the eight divines to the daedric princes, for example: if you are a werewolf from the companions your character would pass the afterlife on hircine hunting grounds or if you are vampire you will become a immortal vampire, thus serving Molag bal also Hermaues mora is known to lure people into serving him with knowledge, much like any other dadric princes. Tsun the guardian of gatekeeper of sovangarde tells that aftter his/her count of days they would go to sovngarde, my Dragonborn refuses Hermaeus mora and wants to go to Sovngarde. Tesshu (talk) 16:32, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

You are persistent aren't you? You're convinced with all this theory by using a "source" which is nothing more than a dialogue quest that basically ANYBODY who played the game knows: Its a RPG game!!! You can choose whatever fate you desire for you character, its not like the case with the Hero of Kvatch becoming Sheogorath. You should talk to Timeoin before doing anything else in the Dragonborn page by creating speculative assumptions, do you understand me? Tesshu (talk) 04:35, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Last Dragonborn
I see you hadn't added the quote in your first edit (that was why it was removed, I originally assumed it was just in the reference the whole time). Quotes are better off in the main part of the article instead of the references section, because readers (especially those on mobile) will make better use of the information that way. So, it's fine the way it is right now. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:07, November 12, 2016 (UTC)

Nowiki tags
Hi Blademaster,

I couldn't help but notice that in a lot of the edits you make, you're adding the  tags around things. The visual editor you're using has the habit of doing that, so I'd really recommend using the source editor instead. You can change your editor by going to your preferences, selecting the 'editing' tab, and selecting 'Source editor' in the dropdown menu next to 'Preferred editor.' You aren't obligated to do so, but it'd save all of us a lot of cleaning up after your edits.

Thanks!

 —Carlo   ( Talk      /Contributions)    18:21, November 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * You've actually been asked quite a number of times now to stop using the Visual Editor. It's a useless and buggy editor that causes everyone else problems, so switch to source editor to save us having to read every edit you make for possible VE bugs. --Sajuuk 20:56, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Back to the talk!
Here

Minecraft Dragonboy 99 (talk) 11:09, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

Discuttion post
Not in my dreams all you have to do is go back to the discution post and read it out.

ottoman hold is right it has become an insulltion discuttion so this is my last post no matter what and if i dont respond its not because i cowarded off its because i am a sensible adult that knows when it is going too far.

Minecraft Dragonboy 99 (talk) 09:21, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Re: We need more photos
Hey, Blademaster

What I need is a nice aerial shot of city to emphasize how big it is and a shot of the main district that those the same thing. It'll be better if it was taken at the main entrance of the city or taken from the lower part of the city and looking upward to the rest of the city. For that last one you could do that for Dawnstar in Skyrim or Dragonstar in Online. It'll also be better if it were photos of the same city in different games. --Vincentius1 (talk) 20:18, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

TIL.
The Imperial Library is a library. It contains almost entirely primary sources for it's audience to read. They also have some guides. Everything they have by MK in their is a primary source. Whether or not you believe them to be canonical is not relevant to this element of the discussion.

The page on "Races of Tamriel" is a compilation of all of their in-game descriptions. Again, that is a record of primary material. Any citation of that would just be "in-game description" and thus is not needed.

Then you have the thousands of in-game books on their page. In-game books are source material so themeselves do no need citation. This alone almost certainly takes the number up to 90% as being source material.

You also have pages made up of quotations pertaining to a certain topic. The quotes themselves are all primary material.

Obviously you can debate all day as to the validity of MK texts. But to state that most of TIL stuff is not primary material is factually incorrect.

Bronkiin (talk) 13:47, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

You say "except the first five". The first five categories contain thousands of pages and account alone for almost all of the site. Which is the point I'm making.

I'll move down the list of categories they have. "Pocket Guides"- Source Material

"Game Books"- 10 000s of these. Source Material.

"Storylines" - Source Material.

"Novels"- Source Material

^This alone is about 90% of the site.

"Tamriel Calendar"- Directly taken from in-game and out of game game guide. Source Material.

"Tamriel Timeline"- Not source material. And not cited.

"Cartography"- Collection of maps. Source Material.

"Cities of Cyrodiil"- Made by them. Not source material.

"Guide to Solstheim"- Another guide. Not source material.

"Notes on Vvardenfell" - Taken directly from in-game lines on the subject. Source Material.

"Major Realms of the Iliac Bay" - A guide. Not source Material.

^So here we have three guides they've made. How can you argue that these come any where near equating for more than 10% of the site as you claimed?

"Races of Tamriel" - 50% direct source material.

"Khajiit Physiology" - Not entirely sourced.

"Guide to Akavir" - "The following document is an attempt to bundle all accessible sources about the continent of Akavir, its inhabitants and its influence on Tamriel and to present them in a comprehensible way." So a collection of sources.

Go on each page and look at the rest for yourself. I can count about 10-15 individual guides that are not source material. You'll need to find something quite spectacular to prove that it's collection of in-game books and sources does not equate for most of the website. So of course "it doesn't cite most of its stuff". You don't cite primary material. Most of it is stuff you cite from.

Bronkiin (talk) 14:12, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Skyim Article
Atv was consulted before it was reverted. It will stay reverted. Bronkiin (talk) 21:12, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * It goes without saying that in a war the region suffers economic difficulties. A general 'these regions suffered economic difficulties' is redundant unless the nature of these difficulties is elaborated. Without that, it becomes clunky and unencyclopaedic.

Bronkiin (talk) 21:21, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

Legion Zero
After looking into "Legion Zero" I realize my reason for reverting the edit was wrong, but the Legion Zero fights against the Empire, so it makes no sense to include them in the number of Imperial troops. --DarkVaultBoy (talk) 23:50, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Ah I see, i'm not entirely knowledgeable when it comes to ESO's DLC, so I can't really argue with you, I thought you were saying that Legion has 18 legions and that a 0 legion existed, I apologize.--DarkVaultBoy (talk) 00:01, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

M'aiq
Hey Blademaster,

Look, I'm not trying to offend you or something, but you're making this a lot more complex than it has to be. In Morrowind, M'aiq's face looks like that of a tiger. There's no denying that. In Oblivion, M'aiq's face resembles that of a mountain lion. I don't really get what your issue with the statement is. It's not contradicting any lore, it's not supposed to. It's just indicating that he resembles a tiger and mountain lion. And he does. —CarloV3r (talk) 20:02, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Blog you might be interested in
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Terawolf119/Why_you_are_wrong_(stormcloak_argument)

Seems right up your alley :P  DRAEVAN13 11:44, December 13, 2016 (UTC)