Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-15888551-20130823092654/@comment-13446185-20140209002633

Zephrim wrote: First off I am starting to think you just look for my posts to argue with me reguardless of what I say.

But to actually address your comment yes lots of people throughout history have thought that very same way, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Bin Ladin, just to name a few. Every dictator eventually comes to the realization that the only way to ensure peace is by destroying any that oppose you. One nation, one currency, one God, etc. they all thought they were doing what was best for "their people". So sure you could justify what all he did, just the same as some nazi's still to this day try to defend Hitler and Himmler. Fact is TES is set in a barbaric world, civilzation is akin to the Roman Empire. More civilized than say the Gauls, less civilized than what we consider proper today. So by today's standards Tiber was a ruthless dictator that ruled over his subjects much akin to a modern day tyrant even going so far as to abuse his power more often than once. Please look up nimidium, and the underking, The Arcturian Heresy, and these unanswered mysteries, No, I just normally stay on the lore section of the forums and you often say stuff I disagree with; also if you haven't noticed on both of the areas I have argued with you (which seems to only be two) I had commented before you on those treads (meaning I got a notification of your comment).
 * Why does Alcaire claim to be the birthplace of Talos, while other sources say he came from Atmora?
 * Why does Tiber Septim seem to be a different person after his first roaring conquests?
 * Why does Tiber Septim betray his battlemage?
 * Is the Mantella the heart of the battlemage, the heart of Ysmir, or is it the heart of Tiber Septim?

Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin definitely aren't a good comparison to Tiber Septim as they were delusional and ended up hurting their own nations and people in the end (also they did stuff much worse than Tiber). I know everything Tiber has done (I would not be arguing with you if I didn't know the lore behind Tiber Septim) and I can tell you that his actions were bad but ended in justifiable ways.

Here are bad things Tiber has done with justification;

Destroying unloyal nobility- Surrounding yourself with loyal nobility prevents the chance of uprising and allows the Empire to run smoothly.

Aborting his child with Barenziah- If you hadn't noticed Tiber actually had no son by the time he died, had he allowed Barenziah's child to live the Empire could have passed to him making the Empire of Man essentially controlled by Morrowind nobility.

Allowance of Slavery in Morrowind- this was part of Vivec's deal with Tiber. Also Tiber didn't want to destroy other nations cultures.

Use of Numidium- The Numidium was needed to conquer the world quickly, Tiber was destined to conquer and rule the world after all.

Betraying Wulfharth and Arctus- The fights between Wulfharth, Arctus, and Hjalti were required to turn Talos into a god.