Board Thread:Skyrim/@comment-120.28.157.86-20140406014559/@comment-30317136-20170224184714

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: All of that is made irrelevant when you're trapped in apocrypha. If anything, it makes the guilds weaker, what is a guild without a leader? Especially when it's uncertain who should be its next one?

And no, that's not when the Thalmor win, the Thalmor win if Ulfric doesn't make any moves whatsoever, but he will and he'll fail.

The Empire is massacring the Stormcloaks, I'm yet to hear of anything similar when it comes to the Stormcloaks beating the Empire. Killing a few squads sent to Winterhold is nothing in comparison. All of that is made irrelevant when I'm trapped in Apocrypha? In case you missed it, I already stated that in that ridiiculously high difficulty path/choice that it is a standard issue, a duty, given, must do... to prepare the neutral guilds to operate in mutual benefits with each other in case you are unable to lead them.

This is on account that even if Hermaeus Mora didn't trap the Dragonborn in Apocrypha, it will be too dangerous to leave everything in the hands of one person, even if he's the Last Dragonborn, not even if you're a dragonborn smarter than Tiber Septim, Zurin Arctus, Underking, Wulfharth, Titus Mede II, Tullius and Ulfric put together. That is why for this to work you have to create a system where all the leaders of the Guilds are disposal and they can function properly as anti-existence to the Thalmor for at least an entire century. Well, if it goes THIS WELL, this little outfit created by the Dragonborn will likely become a deciding force in how Tamriel will be run for at least 100 to 400 years depending on what kind of people are going to end up in power within a faction like this since the chances of the Thalmor to beat a perfected Anti-existence to them is at most one in a trillion or absolutely zero. Empire and Stormcloaks will have a lower chance of beating them, it is safe to say if either side tries anything funny, they will be obliterated like the Nothing they truly are compared to the Godly strategic power of this faction.

Although to create something like that in a condusive environment will be tough enough let alone one where the Thalmor will be out for your blood before long.

All I am saying is if the Dragonborn is smart enough and get around in Skyrim long enough, he can create a seriously flawed version of this Anti-existence to the Thalmor, maybe it will not be virtually no chance of losing but the weakest and most imperfect version of an anti-existence like this will still have a minimum of ten times greater chance of beating the Thalmor.

You stated:

And no, that's not when the Thalmor win, the Thalmor win if Ulfric doesn't make any moves whatsoever, but he will and he'll fail.

Corrections:

Unfortunately for you, you're wrong. The Thalmor wins whether or not Ulfric makes a move. The Thalmor wins whether or not the Empire move or  not move. That was the perfection created by a series of well-planned, well-executed strategies despite the setbacks they experience every now and then. That was how badly the Empire had allowed the advantage AD/Thalmor obtained over it.

You also stated:

The Empire is massacring the Stormcloaks, I'm yet to hear of anything similar when it comes to the Stormcloaks beating the Empire. Killing a few squads sent to Winterhold is nothing in comparison.

Corrections:

Neither the losses suffered at Winterhold or that unknown location were specified. Winterhold is rundown meaning more easily assaulted and taking it can give them control over a road leading to Windhelm from west of Skyrim once Riften is taken back. Meaning they couldn't march on Windhelm directly yet.

As for Tullius efforts in capturing Winterhold, there was no way to tell if Tullius sent a section, platoon or a battalion to try capture it. Ulfric was just slightly amused by how Tullius' was so determined to capture Winterhold from him. There is far more values in capturing Winterhold even though its ruined, but seeing Tullius' reasoning is so petty, I can't help but see him not able to capitalize on obtaining Winterhold and would gain no more than a few annoyances for Ulfric.