Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-9062114-20140330060001/@comment-9062114-20140401040055

Goldflame33 wrote: Zippertrain85 wrote: Speysider wrote: I'm actually very shocked by the amount of arrogance, ignorance and defence shown in this thread.

Let me spell this out to every single staff member here: NO USER ON THIS WIKI IS ABOVE ANYONE ELSE

If you think that being a rollback, sysop or crat makes you above everyone else, you clearly have no understanding of what a wiki is and you should consider leaving and taking that mentality to an internet forum, where such things are allowed.

A wiki is about a community, there is no such thing as a power hierarchy and this is made VERY CLEAR on the wiki creation policy. Let me quote it here for everyone who isn't aware:

Wikia are community projects, not personal websites. They are not owned by their founders, nor does the founder's opinion carry more weight in disagreements than any other user's opinion. Consensus and cooperation should be the primary means for organizing a wiki. At this present point, I don't see any signs of a community or co-operation: what I see is people defending rollbacks/sysops who really shouldn't have their powers, as well as rollbacks/sysops thinking that they are above everyone else and have total immunity from losing their powers. Reality check: no user is immune to losing their powers.

This is how things work everywhere else on the internet: if you become inactive, for any reason, for a whole month, you lose your rights and someone else will fill your place who is more active.

That said, I will give because Jimeee has been fairly inactive, has admitted to editing on a competitor's wiki and whenever he is active, it's usually to leave condescending or patronising messages.

I have no problems with users going to edit elsewhere. However, there is one major issue that sets Jimeee apart from "just another random user": he is a sysop here and he is a role model for other users, if other users see a sysop here going to the competitor's wiki, they will think it's alright to do so and our wiki will lose members. Brilliantly said, I completely agree. So Zipper, you agree and support him calling the majority of the people that arrogant, and ignorant? He said that all users are on the same level, then goes and says that because Jimeee is a sysop means he shouldn't go to other sites? And the whole thing about the 'competitor wiki' is quite a bit of an overreaction. Sometimes, I need to go to UESP for something that isn't covered in our wiki. That's okay. People spending time on both sites isn't the end of the world, and saying that they shouldn't is rather selfish. And that bit about, "Consensus and cooperation should be the primary means for organizing a wiki." Kinda contradicts that Majority opinion =/= Truth thing you mentioned. This is a wiki. Majority Oppinion is one of the keystone principals Wiki was based on. Well, I do agree claming that Administrator and Patrollers are somehow better then the other users is arrogant and ignorant. It's not that he shouldn't go to other sites, it's that he has actually said, he is going to edit on that site, instead of this one. Meaning, he has the time to edit, he's just choosing not to spend it here. Elections are kind of flawed on this wiki, due to the fact that Patrollers and Admins almost always vote and same way, and vote on almost every Consensus, they'll always get their way. Not very democratic to me.