Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-10993011-20130618024431/@comment-80.216.214.210-20130820100125

VAULTEER wrote: 80.216.214.210 wrote: VAULTEER wrote: You apparently didn't read the disclaimer saying I may not have gotten it all right.

how is a loading screen Imperialist Propaganda? It's written by the Devs and it isn't in any quote. It is stating fact, it is a statement. It is the truth. Hammerfell would have fallen if the AD had demolished the Empire, the AD only had to push a little further, and they had more than enough resources and manpower, utilising far more healers and magic than the Empire.

Oh, and they couldn't take Cyrodill? Well, they certainly did. They took it and killed many high-ranking officials, as they saw it as the last stand, but the Empire launched a counter-attack, taking the city back. The Concordat page, here, states that the Empire would have been crushed if not for the treaty, and that Mede initiated it, seeing it as the only way out of the inevitable counter-counter-attack. If the AD can send Thalmor agents in to Skyrim to crack down on simple Talos worship, which going by Alvor in Riverwood, only started after Ulfric started to allow open worship of Talos following the Markarth Incident, they sure as hell had enough man...I mean merpower to take down the pathetic remains of the Empire.

Titus Mede saved Mankind, and Ulfric launches a rebellion to attack the very thing that is keeping the entire AD out of Skyrim, which is even said by Imperial Soldiers, including Hadvar.

The White-Gold Concordat demands that any non-Empire territory be left alone, other than the occasional Thalmor patrol to enforce the requirements are being fullfilled. It's the very reason why Black Marsh isn't standing, or won't be standing for very long, on it's own. They can and did TAKE Cyrodiil I'll give you that, holding it?

That they can't, they can't even hold ONE single measly province (Hammerfell) even when not fighting anyone else.

The Dominion is weak, their strengths lies in subterfuge, lies and misdirection.

Read the Rising Threat books, they tell all one needs to know about the AD and the Thalmor.

Titus put chains on humanity's necks, he condemned us all to slavery. You still can't apparently understand what I'm saying.

If they took the Imperial City, they take the Cities, they take the territory. They now have Cyrodiil. The placement of the Cities are perfect to fend off invasions. Unless a new Empire arises, which is highly unlikely, only the Imperials had the negotiating skills to perform such a feat, holding it in place I mean, the AD has free reign to the N.W. of Tamriel, the last bastion. Orsinium has a few ports, but is a wonderful place to set up. And with the newfound resources, and man/merpower they could take Hammerfell.

I'm not saying it would be immediate. This would take time, but they have far more land and resources compared to the now independant territories. (Ulfric would have gotten his independance, and Hammerfell was weakened already, and was continuously weakened by traitors). Or they could assault High Rock, a much smaller area that would leave the AD with all but two areas, both vast, but split apart by independancy. It is very likely that the Forsworn would be given back their land by the AD, in exchange for support. The Dark Elves and Bosmer slaves would be attacking from the West, damaging Nordic Moral by taking the old and worn Windhelm.

Nobody knows that much about Hammerfell, but it would only be a matter of time with all other places conquered.

Proof: The AD defeated dozens of Legions to get to the Capital City, the Capital of the Empire. You even said yourself that Elswyr and Black Marsh backed out of the Empire, one even willingly joined the AD, why would others not, after the Defeat of their glorious Empire.

I am a full Empire supporter, but claiming that you would do differently if stuck in a position against greater numbers and better capability is silly. He was left with one option, perhaps his negotiating skills weren't the greatest, but he HAD to forfeit the fight, a broekn Empire would defeat all hopes of unity in Tamriel. Yeah, its getting to be pretty long loadtimes here.

I'll just do a quick retort.

I'll stand behind the True Empire ant day of the week.

And Titus had a billion alternatives if he had just taken the time to think, don't claim he didn't have time cause he did.