Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-76.241.66.92-20130728035433/@comment-25047024-20131230123257

218.186.252.200 wrote: But CHIM was discribed to make one a god already by some, so when the connection of the heart was severed, wouldn't Vivec still keep a huge chunk of power?

I can see both Almalexia and Sotha Sil as mortals who gained godlike power from tapping into the heart, but wouldn't Vivec already be a god even without that? He had CHIM. Unless, of course, CHIM is just an excuse for alteration magic so powerful that it can push the world so hard that the world cannot push back in any way (like how you stretch a spring so much that it changes shape rather than spring back)

Also, wouldn't Tiber Septim himself practically become a god as well without performing an Emantiomorph with Zurin Arctus and Wulfharth?

I think Vehk's power came to 95% from CHIM and to 5% from Lorkhans Heart. A CHIMster is much more powerful than a normal god, including Lorkhan, could ever be.

It also seems that gods 'always' exist. Let's take Mannimarco as an example. He became a god when the Warp in the West happenend, and yet we can see his mortal version in Oblivion. The god Mannimarco existed since the beginning of the Kalpa but the mortal Mannimarco had to make him possible through achieving godhood. The same with Vehk. The god Vivec always existed in every Kalpa, but the mortal Vehk had to make him possible through achieving godhood and CHIM. That's my theory. CHIM really is powerful, since it's 'lucid dreaming' in the Godheads dream.

A CHIMster and a god are different things. Tiber achieved CHIM, which made him superior to any god in the Aurbis, but it did not make him an Aedra nor give him the power an Aedra has. Tiber became a real god through Enatiomorph and the mantling of Lorkhan, but CHIM just can't be put into the normal categories in the Aurbis. CHIM is neither Aedric nor Daedric. It's neither order, nor chaos. A CHIMster is much more powerful than the Aedra and Daedra, but a CHIMster can't be put into a categorie, which makes him not Aedric and not Daedric. Again, just a theory.