User blog comment:Harold Burned-Mane/The Truth about Ulfric Stormcloak/@comment-5700881-20131108114507/@comment-5700881-20131121020630

You know what, you're not understanding what I'm saying, here's what I mean: it's that first Ulfric and his men made a fuss, then the Thalmor pressures the Empire to crack down on Talos worship, THEN the Civil War starts, what I'm trying to get at is that Ulfric is the root cause of a problem that only really started because of him. It's never IIRC referenced or said that The ban was enforced so aggressively before Ulfric made a fuss.

No, it was his father who promised Talos worship to Ulfric, he died because he attempted to broker peace with the Forsworn after Ulfric retook the city. And it was Hrolfdir who turned Ulfric over to the Dominion.

What I'm trying to get at is that he wasn't given the option to side with Ulfric flat out, and his point of view was never challenged or shown another reasoning point of view. What you're saying is just because he had time to and because he didn't he deserves to die, it's unfair, it's like condemning the Quarians to die solely because they didn't contact the Geth, when the latter killed of at least 90% and kicked them off their homeworld so they had good reason to dislike them and not look at it from a different perspective. But that's a stupid system that borders on insane troll logic, especially if the best fighter isn't very good at leading,his encounter with Toryyg shows his political ability. And there's still my earlier point that if he cares so much about Skyrim and her people, then why kill the King thus most certainly resulting in war resulting in many lives and resources lost that could have been avoided and let his men use siege weapons on a city populated with civilians? It doesn't add up to me.

Political freedom I can understand, but it's hard to argue religious freedom when you subjugate people like the Reachmen, freedom to worship Talos more like. I don't think the Empire had to surrender, last I remember they had a temporary upper-hand, but they most certainly lost, as Draevan pointed out almost all sources prove it, and where they really lost was the negotiating table, Titus could have negotiated better terms to the treaty but just accepted the terms as they were. I won't sugar-coat it, I'm aware the Empire is a dying, corrupt, and crumbling creature on life-support with terrible leadership. But I side with them because their general you meet seems the most level-headed of the two and from where I stand the Stormcloaks are worse morally and leader-wise.

Atmorans and Nedes are one and the same, they are the ancestors to all curretn race of men save the Redguards. At least that what the UESP says, and I'm willing to believe it. We'll just have to disagree there, because as they are the descendants of those who first colonized the place it should be their's to own. My view is that the Nords are ruling it illegitimately, as they forcibly took over.

Quite possibly, but the same can be said of other races in other Holds, no one mentions the Dunmer and Argonians in Riften, because they are treated roughly equally, and thus not an issue, I'm focusing on the Reach because it's so blatantly obvious that they are treated unequally in comparison to the Nords and separated class-wise I find it appalling and will criticize the hell out of it.

I'm aware that they don't hold the same power as Daedra, current evidence show they have even more. I think having the barriers of Oblivion counts as an extreme circumstance. It only shows that the Divines don't care about mortals, as they should have let Martin live if they did, I see no reason to turn him into stone. And if they can't interfere directly, then how about that big speech about how they do affect our lives? Or how about when they bless someone? I would call that directly interfering with our lives. They haven't shown they're worth worshiping anymore, maybe thanking for their hand in creation, but nothing further as they don't seem to really care about us.

I'm aware Talos is a legitimate Divine, I accept that as an objective fact, I just see his existence as... Superfluous at best, his only real achievement was creating an Empire, which we all know the collapsing of said Empire is as inevitable as moss growing on a still rock, so that is by no means lasting. And as I asked earlier, what does he do passively as a Divine that's worth his worship? I'll let the Nords worship whoever they want, I just see him as a bit useless TBH.

I don't mean to take it literally, just wanting to get across that the races of Nirn have much to gain and little to lose if they start using something like a democratic government instead of aristocratic rule, and shun superstitions and religion in favor of the pursuit of knowledge and reason.