User talk:TheSpectator/Archive2

Pictures
Hey, I just joined this wiki. I've helped the Guild Wars wiki alot and now that I play Oblivion I'm going to help this one out. If it's ok I'm going to continue uploading pictures and placing them in artlces. It really helps people out when there is a picture. If there is any specifc format or layout you want to use let me know. Also Maybe we could get some NPC or item templates going to give this wiki a much more standard look through out. Thanks! --DragonWR12LB 01:24, 7 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Welcome Dragon! Feel free to upload as many pictures as you want. There aren't any guidelines though I'll quote User_talk:Gravewit when I asked: "Well, I'd say, as small as they can be and still be totally useful. We're totally fine for disk space, so I wouldn't worry about it much." -- TheSpectator 12:41, 7 July 2006 (CDT)


 * So I've been uploading 1024x768 picutres but they are croped on the articles to 250px. I basically upload pictures whenever I come to an article I need to use to figure something out :) --DragonWR12LB 02:14, 8 July 2006 (CDT)

Weapon Template
I really like that template you created. I used it on the Hrormir's Icestaff page. I will use this template on any weapon page I make or one I see that needs it thanks! :) --DragonWR12LB 00:01, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Ok I'm kinda doing alot of different things here. I made this page Inquisitor Helmet but realized it was armor, so could you make armor templates like weapon templates please, like Debaser? I'm not good with templates. --DragonWR12LB 14:10, 10 July 2006 (CDT)


 * I took a long, hard look at the three templates, Template:Weapon Header, Template:Weapon, and Template:Weapon Footer and wondered why they're separated when they can be all combined into one. So I've changed it so that you only need one template (Template:Weapon or Template:Armor) to do what needs to be done. I also added a "Weapon/Armor Type" column, so people will know what kind the weapon or armor is. Now I'm just going to go around and fix those articles using it. -- TheSpectator 18:31, 10 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Okay, tried it out a few times. The only disadvantage to combining the three templates into one is that it won't work for articles with multiple weapons and armor, namely the general weapons and armor charts (e.g. Dagger, Shortsword). So I'll fix those into standard syntax. Since those are the only cases I can think of that need multiple weapons, I think we'll be okay. -- TheSpectator 18:36, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

Just Joined

 * Hey! I just wanted to thank you for welcoming me to the Wiki, I hope to be a helpfull part of the OblivioWiki community!--PulpAffliction 16:29, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

Hey TheSpectator. I am new, and I really like Oblivion. So, I thought I would do my part and try to contribute to this wiki. I have seen Wikipedia before, but I have only learned the very basic things like: bold and italic. I was just seeing if I can get any information on how I can help. I tend to be very deep in explanations and I get carried away, but I would love to help out. So, just talk back to me and tell me how I can help. Dragon of the Imperial (2044 EST) July 14, 2006
 * Welcome DragonImperial! --DragonWR12LB 22:26, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Welcome Dragon of the Imperial! All your input is welcome, so explanations and depth of content are good. See task list for some of our goals here. -- TheSpectator 02:56, 14 July 2006 (CDT)

I have a question, can you provide me with some basic information about formatting and basic layout setup? And is there a user page I can personalize? Dragon of the Imperial (21:38 EST) July 15 2006


 * Sure thing:
 * For help on editing, see Wikipedia's editing pages. Also see Wikipedia's quick editing guide for basic wiki markup (italics, bold, headings, etc).
 * Here is our general style and formatting pages.
 * And yes there is a userpage you can personalize. At the top of the pages here you can see your name (in red). Simply click on it and you can add things to your userpage. -- TheSpectator 21:51, 15 July 2006 (CDT)

Well, I just recently looked at the style and formatting pages, and it looks like I will have to study this a little bit. As for the editing pages, I haven't taken a look. By the way, how should I organize my user page? (First section-association with game- Second section- personal goals for the wiki?) What should I say? And how can apply a timestamp and my username? ~ Dragon of the Imperial 2200 hours. EST july 15 2006


 * Go ahead and add as much content as you want first; we welcome the content. We can always format and stylize later. You can organize your userpage any way you wish. You can put some short info about you, put up your character stats, your goals at the wiki, etc.
 * To auto-sign your name and timestamp, type four tildes like this: ~ and your set. -- TheSpectator 22:05, 15 July 2006 (CDT)

Thanks a lot for the information. I think I can help out a lot now.

uhh.. one last question... What's a set? . . . Dragon of the Imperial 22:07, 15 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Heh, oops, I meant to say "you're set," as in "good to go." My bad on the punctuation. ;-) -- TheSpectator 22:12, 15 July 2006 (CDT)

Alright, man. Now I am set. I appreciate the help for all the stuff. Peace out. As the Imperial Legion say, "Long live the Empire!" --Dragon of the Imperial 22:37, 15 July 2006 (CDT)

Merchant Table
Thanks, I saw a list of colors for tables and which color for which situation (npc, weapon, quest) should be used. Not sure which applies for that. Also When I get around to it I'll remove the city tab and use headers like you did on the spell merchant page. Also do you know how to merge rows so in the table there isn't 5 Skingrad Mages Guild, or do you think it looks better with the 5? --DragonWR12LB 06:51, 15 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I used rowspan to merge the rows and I also aligned it to the top. To me, it looks a bit cleaner like that. See for table help. -- TheSpectator 15:06, 15 July 2006 (CDT)

Template
hey can you make a template so when we type it displays  please? :) --DragonWR12LB 07:25, 15 July 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm pretty sure that's already a template. --dpotts 12:30, 15 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Yep, it is. -- TheSpectator 15:06, 15 July 2006 (CDT)


 * , well I'll be... --DragonWR12LB 04:31, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

Enchanted Weapons
(Blech, still trying to get this Wiki thing down pat!)

Hey, TheSpectator, I continously find some enchanted weapons and armor IE: Mace of Overload, Mace of the Undead, War Axe of Enfeeblement, and Cuirass of Anu's Blessing. Do I include these in the Wiki? I see a page of "Enchanted Weapons" but no weapons examples to follow. --Serg 00:09, 16 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Yep, you can include them. Feel free to add any enchanted weapons, armor, clothing, etc to the enchanted weapons, or enchanted armor pages. We haven't really gone out to list all the enchanted stuff yet, but we'll get there. There are a few examples: Debaser, Ebony Blade, Hrormir's Icestaff. -- TheSpectator 12:34, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for the welcome TheSpectator. I'd like to add levelled enchanted item/armor/weapon stats sometime soon on the appropriate articles, such as for Chillrend. For exampe if the quest is completed at level 1-4 (using the template style of stats), chillrend has a base value of 269, 8, 7 at 100 blade skill, and does frost 5 and inflicts 10% weakness to frost for 20s with 80 uses. At level 5-9 it follows as 543, 10, 10, frost 8 with 15% weakness. Unfortunately, I'm not sure on how to implement this into the appropriate articles. I want to keep a similar table but I need at least 5 data rows for most of the weapons and other levelled enchanted items. Should I remove the template and make the table without it? Hellhound43 09:04, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

Yes, you'll need to make the table without the template, as the template works only for weapons with one set of stats. -- theSpectator talk 12:43, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

How to Redirect links.
Hey TheSpectator. I have recently just revamped the entire Dremora page. It could use some more info here and there, different meanings to change, etc. I have to talk often about enchanted weaponry, and I would like to know how to auto-redirect 'enchanted' to the 'enchantment' or 'enchant' page, and redirect 'weaponry' to 'weapon(s)'. Tell me about it when you can. --Dragon of the Imperial 19:51, 16 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Good job on the Dremora page; keep it up. I'm not sure if you're just talking about redirecting an actual page, or wikilinking so that it goes to the page you want. So I'll answer both :-). Some of the pages (like enchantment) already redirect to enchanting. If you want to actually redirect an empty article (for example, enchanted is empty and you want to redirect it to enchanting), type in #REDIRECT Enchanting in that empty article.


 * For internal wikilinking when your typing stuff, you want to do something like this:
 * enchanted or enchant
 * weapons or weaponry
 * enchanted weapons
 * Basically, the first word in the brackets is the actual real page that you want the link to go to. The second word after the "|" is the word you want to see in your paragraph. For example:
 * Enchanted weapons are good " results in: "Enchanted weapons are good."
 * "Good things are weapons that are enchanted " results in: "Good things are weapons that are enchanted."
 * Hope that answers your question. :-) -- TheSpectator 23:23, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

Thanks greatly for all the information. I really appreciate all you've told me. I've tried to redirect the page via your first explanation. Unfortuntely, it is not an automatic redirect and that is not what I was looking for. You see, I believe that 'wikilinking' is the desired way. Let me clarify. I wanted to link "weaponry" to the wiki page, "weapon". Do you understand? One question. When you were telling me about wikilinking, how do you produce this symbol, "|"? I can't do that... --Dragon of the Imperial 17:14, 19 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Yes, the second way is actually preferred when wikilinking within an article to produce that "|" symbol, it's the button either above or below the "Enter" key and has the "\" below it. You actually need to hold "Shift" then "\" to get "|". So, to link "weaponry" to "weapon" do this:
 * weaponry -- So for example:
 * " The Imperial Legion's weaponry is mostly made of steel ." results in
 * "The Imperial Legion's weaponry is mostly made of steel."
 * Hope that helps. Feel free to ask more. -- TheSpectator 17:44, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

Picture fault
The link Heavy Raiment of Valor has an incorrect picture, the picture depicts a normal heavy raiment. Valor raiments are always red. By the way, TheSpectator, you should consider cleaning your talk page... its getting very looong... :) (<")(">) --Dragon of the Imperial 23:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Oops, you're right and reuploaded the right pic now. Heh, and my talk page archived. Thanks :-D -- TheSpectator 00:13, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

Collaboration on Wiki Fixing
Hey Spectator. How have you been? Well, I was thinking, I just thought about putting together a team for Wiki-cleaning, such as journal entries, cleanups, false information cleaning, et cetera. E.g., clean pages that are too long, rectify grammar, condense information into a more understandable, cleaner summarization. Obviously, since I am new, I'll stick to grammar, but the admins or programmers of the team can handle the more technical issues. I just want to hear your opinion, and with that, put together a team. I think ~5 people would be good, and clean a single category at a time. I'll have the team talk on my talk page, so yeah. I got most of it set out. By the way, in case a team is not possible or a hassle, tell me what I can fix up. All right, Spec, peace out. YO!~ --Dragon of the Imperial 17:25, 21 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Sounds like a great idea, though we'd need ~5 fairly active people, which we don't fully have yet ;-). You have as much freedom to change, reword, and reorganize things as I do; being new doesn't affect that. In my opinion, things that need cleaning/organizing are:
 * The bestiary pages – We need to break down the big stats headers and make them into subheaders instead, with "Stats" as the main header. I also don't think we need individual pages for creature subtypes, though if we want to, we certainly can.
 * Example I'm thinking of are the Goblin pages, which I'll be sorting out right now. It was suggested on the Google Group that we don't need an article for each goblin, but just for each clan that can include all that.
 * The main quest needs some good cleanup and organization. Needs journal entries, pictures, alternate solutions, etc
 * Side quests need polishing and journal entries
 * The merchant article needs to be completely turned into tables for easier viewing.
 * Quest NPCs need to be categorized appropriately, such as "Category:Quest givers" and quest items into "Category:Quest rewards" as well.
 * And that's all I can think of now, heh. So, feel free to undertake any of those above, anything else you see or like to do, or add new info you come across in-game. We accept as many contributions as possible. Keep it up! -- TheSpectator 18:24, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Well, to ask a question about the goblin thing, why don't you just make the categories, (skirmisher, warlord, shaman) then just say that these clans have them? e.g. the skirmisher is a melee fighter, blah blah, and the skirmisher is in these clans; goblin clan, goblin clan, blah.

Remember also, that I have yet to learn how to format tables, set margins, and all that stuff. As for the creature subtyping, I think we should just include it all into one general category. Black bear, brown bear, and west weald all just incorporated into bear. Spacing the pictures could be a problem, however. Honestly, I meant around 5 people because of the fairly large categories there are. I figured that might be a problem with a small amount of people. And the team will function as a guild, one person doing this, another doing that, and what else is that the team will have to act over a large period of time so it is no rush. I think me and you are the most active of all the members. As for the main quest, I can't help much there. I have to get to a higher level than I am now in order for me to be comfortable to close that last gate. After the main quest, I can't go into oblivion, the honestly best place to train. The Imperial Dragon Armor doesn't look that great anyway. I wonder if the light and heavy versions look similar. As for the merchant stuff, I can't do tables, and the haggling dependant on mercantile level and disposition will be very difficult to differentiate. As for the side quests, I've done most, and I'll try my hand at that. By the way, I started my user page. Check it out and tell me what I need or not. --Dragon of the Imperial 18:59, 21 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Because different goblin types drop different things (at least according to the information that existed at the invidual articles), I merged them into one clan article, for example Bitterfish clan. The goblin shaman is the only one that has different stats. On the main goblin page, I just listed the subtypes of each (I have yet to delete the individual articles that already existed. I think we should do a similar thing with bear, as in have subheadings for "black bear," "brown bear," etc and their stats.
 * For cleanup thing, feel free to start a group/guild and invite more people to help contribute to the wiki, if you who have friends who'd like to contribute.
 * Your user page is cool and it can be on whatever you want (outside of obscenities and stuff, but you get the picture).
 * Oh, by the way, my resource for tables. ;-) -- TheSpectator 23:07, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Saving fault with Peryite
Hey, Spec. I just recently filled out Peryite, but for some reason, it comes out in edit. The article is made but something is wrong with the programming. Check it out for me, okay? Peace out, Spec. --Dragon of the Imperial 23:31, 21 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Hmm, looks fine with me. Not sure what you're getting on your end. Maybe your cache needs to refresh? Also, we already have info on the quest of Shrine of Peryite. I was thinking possibly that the Peryite article, along with the other deity articles, are for lore info on the deity itself. We really need an Elder Scrolls lore guy (or girl) for this site. -- TheSpectator 23:52, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Honestly, I think it would help a LOT if we had a lore expert for the wiki... but here's the thing, most of the lore is centralized in the books of Oblivion, bless the developers, so we could practically glean everything off just the game. As for the Peryite to Shrine of Peryite lore and quest, I think that is a good idea. The actual prince is mostly lore, with a link leading to the quest. I believe the way I set up Peryite and Shrine of Peryite didn't come out well then... Alright then, see you later. --Dragon of the Imperial 18:00, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Time
Do you think it would be a good idea to have a time article? Like we would list the months (Last Seed, Morning Star, Heartfire, etc.) and the amount of days in them. We could also give a paragrpah or two summary on what happened in each era since the game takes place in the 3rd. We could then make redirects for all the months to this page. Do you think this page is a good idea? Would this page be appropiate to be on the main page? --DragonWR12LB 15:07, 28 July 2006 (CDT)


 * I think it'd be a great idea. Feel free to get started. For the Main Page, it'd probably go under Storyline/Lore or something; I'm not sure though. -- TheSpectator 18:14, 28 July 2006 (CDT)

Privacy Policy
Hey, I noticed that the OblivioWiki:Privacy Policy hasn't been created. I recommend, for legal reasons, that you create the page with a "under construction" message, then protect it. :) --Aristeo 07:36, 31 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Ahh okay, I've just put "under construction" though I'm not sure what it entails. Our sister site, GuildWiki, has been around much much longer, but doesn't have one either. -- TheSpectator 23:08, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

Seriously having issues with adding to the site :-(
Hi there... I've been trying to help out recently with adding material to the website, however, i can't seem to get the site to keep me logged in. I can log in, (I am Samuro692), but then when I navigate to a topic i know more about, i have been logged back out. :-( Also, I have tried to just forget about logging in, and adding the material anyway (it says it will record the IP address).  This has worked some of the time, however, not always.  (When it does work, the IP address it shows is 66.82.9.62).  Am I somehow being blocked, perhaps?  I'm not sure.  At first, I didn't even realize there was a 'community' working on this together... but I would certainly like to become part of it, join the program, so to speak.  My resources are that I have the game for XBOX 360 (the collector's edition, with the game manual, leather book, and game map) and the official strategy guide from Prima Games.  I also tend to create my own 'indexes, lists, charts, etc.' in Microsoft Word, which i make using info directly from the game itself... no books.  Although, as far as books go, I'm also typing some of the books found in the game into my computer as well. I would love to contribute, if i can. Please help, or at least point me in the direction of someone who can. :-) thanx


 * Welcome Samuro and we appreciate your contributions. Usually login problems are related to cookies and firewall settings; it could be that your security settings (in either your browser or your firewall) for cookies are too high. Check those first. Also, try adding "http://oblivion.gamewikis.org/" to your Allowed/Permitted Websites list. Lastly, try disabling your firewall/security settings, log in to OblivioWiki, and then re-enabling your security settings. -- TheSpectator 16:48, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

Possibly Damaged link (URGENT)
TheSpec, I believe that you may or may not have known that the link Shrine of Peryite is damaged or somehow malfunctioning. Whenever I take a look at the site, I see "<div=id" or something along those lines. Be aware that it may only be me, but since I merged the site with Peryite, something did happen. I didn't actually do anything besides reword everything in Shrine of Peryite. I did a preview, saved a few things, then saved. Apparently, there was some error with sending something to some site. I do not remember what it was, but you may know. Please advise. I still have the text saved on my computer, so I can reload when I want. --Dragon of the Imperial 20:15, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Hmm, just checked both Shrine of Peryite and Peryite and they look okay. The history looks good here of what you reworded. This only happens when you're working on the Shrine of Peryite article? -- TheSpectator 21:45, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Oh, and if you keep getting that error, please copy and paste the whole error message, so we can take a look at it. -- TheSpectator 21:46, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

The error is this, minus the quotes: '<div id="' --Dragon of the Imperial 18:01, 4 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Hmm, I'm not sure. Is this error only on the Peryite-related articles?


 * You may need to ask Gravewit on his talk page, or preferably the gamewikis forums (link is on the Main Page), since I think he frequents the forums more. I'll be out of town on vacation starting tomorrow for a week, so sorry if I can't get back to you. -- TheSpectator 19:17, 4 August 2006 (CDT)

Vacation
Wherever you're going, HAVE FUN! dpotts and I will hold down the wiki till you get back! --DragonWR12LB 05:41, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
 * p.s. seems like you uploaded a BUNCH of screenshots today. They look great! --DragonWR12LB 06:07, 3 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Heh, thanks, looks you did too as well. Great stuff. I'll be out in the mountains up in the Sierras of northern California. Get some good hiking and such. -- TheSpectator 01:23, 4 August 2006 (CDT)

Layne
Hey Spec for your question you asked about Tainted Magic I explained it in the Cheats. And no it is not an error or exploit just figuring out the games vast gameplay. I am on the third time playing the game on Xbox 360 and I think I have it finally figured out. I consider myself very knowledgeable in this game and want to help but I am just getting used to WIKIing. Feel free to ask any Questions I have contributed several things before I got Loged on and got credit. Thanks Layne


 * Ahh, cool, read it and seems interesting. I may create a new char just to give it a try. Feel free to add as much content as you can! -- TheSpectator 01:23, 4 August 2006 (CDT)

question
Hey spec check out my question in question's and see if you have an idea. Layne 8-16-06 by the way this was a long time ago and just remembered this, also on xbox 360 Layne
 * Okay, answered. By the way, you can sign your messages with four tildes ( ~ ). -- TheSpectator 15:27, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

Special:Undelete/Talk:Dagoth_Ur/wiki%3Ftitle%3DTalk:Dagoth_Ur/wiki
Doesn't this tell you something? It's a nonsense page created 3 times with links to poker and whatnot, don't waste your time trying to talk to them :) SkuldPOW! 13:03, 31 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Heh, I don't know how bots work exactly, let alone spam bots, so I didn't think much of it, especially since it happened only three times sparingly. Any more, I would have gotten suspicious, so thanks for taking care of that for me. I'll keep that in mind next time 'round. -- theSpectator talk 20:01, 31 August 2006 (CDT)