Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-95.94.124.138-20130922100323/@comment-13446185-20140415214506

70.34.133.250 wrote: Your first & second points go hand-in-hand, so I'll answer those together. If "exactly your point" is the same as mine: If you live a total Nordic lifestyle/worship their gods, then you ARE a Nord, then that still means only Nords get in. As such, I'm not sure why you even disagree with that it's the NORDIC heaven specifically. In terms of your Christian comparison, this ain't Christianity, and nobody actually knows who does/doesn't get into heaven cause nobody's lived to tell us the tale. You're making assumptions about a place you literally know nothing about. I don't either mind you, but I'm not the one that went there with my point. I don't presume to know who does/doesn't get in & why/why not. It's unwise to do so. We're talking about TES 'verse here anyway, and many divine beings in the lore are most certainly UNfair. Is it FAIR what Azura did to ALL the Chimer people because of the actions of three asshats? No, it isn't. Case & point.

Bretons souls are recycled. So in other words, Breton souls are REBORN. They don't go to ANY heaven. So how can they end up in Sovngarde then? I already said a couple posts ago that different cultures have different afterlife beliefs, and that's why they don't all go to Sovngarde. You just made the case & point for me with that one. Thanks lol! :)

If Alduin is speaking out of arrogance there in your quote, and he CAN be killed in Nirn, then why were you unable to do so on top of the Throat of the World like I already pointed out? If "exactly your point" is the same as mine: If you live a total Nordic lifestyle/worship their gods, then you ARE a Nord, then that still means only Nords get in.

Wait what? You legitamently think that culture and religion are what makes a race? I was speaking figuratively, dude. But whatever...

My whole point throughout this argument was that if a person lives a Nordic lifestyle and worships Nordic gods than they should be allowed into a firmament made by Nordic faith.

I even flat out said; "culture + religion ≠ race"

But if you want to believe that an Altmer can magically transform into a Nord by sharing a culture and a religion be my guest.

'In terms of your Christian comparison, this ain't Christianity, and nobody actually knows who does/doesn't get into heaven cause nobody's lived to tell us the tale. You're making assumptions about a place you literally know nothing about.'

Well seeing as I don't actually believe in heaven, I'm referring to the way Christians believe they will go to heaven (by being a good f*cking Christian).

I literally just explained to you that Sovngarde is the result of Nordic beliefs. So now I'm hypothetically stating that the concept of heaven is a result of Christian beliefs.

'Is it FAIR what Azura did to ALL the Chimer people because of the actions of three asshats? No, it isn't. Case & point.'

Azura is a Daedra dude... What would be compared to Devils/Demons in reality. Though I'm sure Satan is a pretty fair guy (Sarcasm).

'Bretons souls are recycled. So in other words, Breton souls are REBORN'

All unaligned souls go through the Dream-sleeve, even those who aren't taken into Sovngarde by Shor.

It's not race specific at all. If a Breton were to align themselves with Nordic faith (and that Breton was valiant) than voilà, he goes to Sovngarde.

'You just made the case & point for me with that one. Thanks lol!'

What are you tring to prove this to yourself? All your argument has done is strengthened my belief that non-nords can go to Sovngarde.

then why were you unable to do so on top of the Throat of the World like I already pointed out?

Because he runs away from you, and Bethesda didn't want the main quest to end there... Do you seriously think Alduin would run to the one place he could be killed? -_-