Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-92.251.228.132-20141108020915/@comment-25561331-20150403172138

Rigid Generic wrote: Emperor Maximus wrote: Sebidee wrote: No bandit! You should unite with the Stormcloaks and defy the tyranny of the Empire for the glory of Sovngarde! The Empire are authority, limitation, Rules and enforcement! A man like you, a rebel, a defiant, a hero should join your like minded Bretherin and defy the cruel oppressor!

The Empire are weak. Underlings to the arrogant Elves of the south. While under the Imperial yoke we are then underlings of underlings and that cannot stand for men of our worth!

Our Leader, Ulfric Stormcloak, Jarl of Winhelm, knows this and shares your desire for freedom! For independance and opportunity and pride! Fight to make Nirn greater than the Empire allows, fight with the Stormcloaks! Fight so that you can live at least a few days as free men and women before the Thalmor utterly annihilate you because the Empire is no longer holding them back!

Dude, I could not have said that better myself. The Stormcloaks are so arrogant and strongly believe that they are capable of taking on the Aldmeri Dominion. If the AD have emerged victorious over the Empire, what makes Ulfric think that his army can avoid making the same mistake of the past.

The Stormcloaks' pride and arrogance won't help them when they are reduced to a pile of ash. After which Skyrim would submit to AD rule, considering that there are no more capable fighters to protect Skyrim. If I may offer some cynical critique from Lordran, a land where regular men slay gods and overcome impossible odds...

The Empire and Aldmeri Dominion came to a ceasefire. As in, they agreed to stop because if they kept going, they would destroy each other. The AD didn't bring the Empire to its knees, it fought until any further fighting would cause self-destruction. We all know that the AD is not unstoppable. Look at Hammerfell. They simply kept killing until the elfish coffers ran dry.

The AD is already weak, from fighting the Empire and the Redguards. We all know the rate Elves breed. It'll take them centuries to regain those forces. While Nords, full of vigor and mead, can breed like fire. While the AD has to train soldiers, Skyrim breeds them. Who are the best warriors? Those who have studied, or those who have fought tooth and nail since they were old enough to hold a shield?

Even if Ulfric wins, there's no allies for Skyrim. Of course not! He's a racist and a bigot! I book I read told me so! It's not like he opened his city and renamed a quarter of it to help some refugees from Morrowind. No, and he never lets anyone but Nords join his army! Its not as if Nords are the majority in Skyrim, and the other races are too busy living alongside Nords, or very few volunteer in the first place.

It's not as if those good rugged humans from Hammerfell aren't experienced in spilling Elf blood, and would love to have another go.

It's not as there's a big ashy island full of Dark elves that the Nords gave to them to flee from the volcano. No, they're not willing to help out some old friends.

It's not like the Orcs of Orsinium, or those in Skyrim aren't up for a good fight against some milk-drinkers, or the Bretons of High Rock have some scores to settle.

It's not like Ulfric doesn't have the Dragonborn on his side who just took out the Empire's greatest General, who may or may not be the Harbinger of the Companions, arguably the greatest warriors on the face of Skyrim, the Arch-Mage of the College, home to some of the best mages who aren't already pissed at the Thalmor for killing the previous Arch-Mage, the Master of the Theives guild, its members able to break in anywhere and destroy the logistics or steal the funding of the AD's armies, the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, who did just slay the Emperor, and could easily assassinate the First Emissary Elenwen, the leader of the Volkihar Vampires, a clan that extends back to the first century with their bloodline, is in good standing with the Dawnguard, who are very experienced in slaying magical monsters.

No, no. An uncultured Nord like him? He's a power-hungry racist dictator, who doesn't work with anyone. It's not like he's willing to do whatever it takes to keep his people free, no, he just wanted the title!

And I mean, it's not as if Elves can even BE beaten in the first place! No, they're totally unstoppable! Remember what happened in the Nordic-Falmer War? The Nords got totally beaten! Oh wait...

No, Ulfric? He has no shot against the Aldmeri Dominion. The Aldmeri Dominion has all the friends in the world, and no one isn't just dying for a chance to rise up and kick their teeth in. Never.

Traitor! Racist! Coward! King.