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Nazul Rostello wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: The Nordic-Reachmen conflict may be old but the Nords isn't try to conquer the Reach before Tiber become their general.

The whole Nordic Reachmen conflict they are talking about is the one that went on due to the Interregnum. The reason none of the Nordic armies had tried to take the Reach was because none of the Nordic armies were big enough to take the Reach, Skyrim at the time was divided into small holds.

Plus it was Cuhlecain's idea to take the Reach, not Hjalti's.

'As for bringing "peace", it isn't permanent. The whole "Talos" thing have made Tamriel divided against each other.'

Well you can't really blame Tiber for that, that is 100% the Thalmor's fault.

The downfall of the Ayleid Empire was largely the result of their own mistreatment of their human slaves whom they provoked to rebel

My point was that Alessia wasn't some perfect hero, both Tiber and Alessia have done bad things.

It's not that different with Tiber's conquest of the Reach are no better than the Ayleid enslavement of the Nedic tribes

Very different actually as the Reachmen are never said to have been mistreated other than the taking away of the Old Gods which probably happened after the Markarth Incident (which i will admit was a stupid idea). This is alot different than enslaving an entire race for centuries. Conquest is subjugation and assumption of control of a place or people by use of forces; vanquishment. Tiber's rule were no different then being forced to live under Ayleid rule. The warlord Cuhlecain is one thing, & Tiber attacked Old Hroldan with the Colovian forces and some Nord army, hardly seem fair to the outnumbered Reachmen. Nevertheless the Reach has always been a bit of a melting pot with pretty much foreign race being present.

The anti-Nord mentality comes from the recent butchery which seemed to leave the Forsworn fairly ethno-centric; like the Imperials did something vaguely similar back with the ten warring kings. Tiber attacked Old Hroldan with the Colovian forces and some Nord army, hardly seem fair to the outnumbered Reachmen.

"Hjalti was a shrewd tactician, and his small band of Colovian troops and Nord berserkers broke the Reachman line, forcing them back beyond the gates of Old Hroldan. A siege seemed impossible, as Hjalti could expect no reinforcements from Falkreath."

- The Arcturian Heresy

The Reachmen had Hjalti outnumbered, don't just assume the Reachmen were defenseless.

Tiber's rule were no different then being forced to live under Ayleid rule.

Tiber's rule was just and brought peace to Tamriel, don't see how that is equal to Ayleid rule.

The anti-Nord mentality comes from the recent butchery which seemed to leave the Forsworn fairly ethno-centric

Then why the hell did they rebel in the first place. The Reachmen are not victims, and the so called butchery was only done against the Forsworn.