User talk:Timeoin

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A quest for knowledge
Hello I'd like to know if I could ask a question or two about Elder Scrolls History and I'm wondering if you are a knowledgeable source. These questions center around both the Dwemer, Daedra, and Nirn Gods, if you are familiar with these topics I would greatly appreciate your knowledge and understanding. That being said if you have a firm grasp of these topics I would then like to proceed with my questions, thank you -Luke

Second Segement: The whole Aedra/ Daedra is slightly confusing. So what I have gathered is there were originally 9 Gods including Lorkhan who was killed for creating Nirn? I would like to know why he was killed by the other Gods? And you say they fell from the Heavens, so does that mean there is some sort of supreme kingdom/ heaven more so than sovengrad where these creator gods came from? How did the Aedra allegedly come to be and what is there relationship with the Daedra. If Sithis is not a Daedra where does he fit into all of this, and does Sithis have a physical form? (Oh and I know Talos is the ninth "living" God not excepted currently by the empire I don't really need any info on him). Who exactly created the Elder Scrolls and why, was is the Eight Divine? I also read something kind of confusing about the gods regarding how there trapped on earth and Lorkhan is the heart of earth or something? And finally are we sure Lorkhan is dead and not trapped in possibly another dimension at least according to the legends...? Please if you can help clear some of these questions up I would be forever in your debt "citizen"... -Luke
 * Ah, well, I am kind of knowledgeable about these. The Dwemer are fairly easy to answer. They disappeared due to Kagrenac messing around with Lorkhan's heart (One of the Mages Guild quests in Morrowind confirms this). The Aedra and Daedra are a bit more complex however. Due to their immortal nature, its difficult to know exactly how they came to being. Some sources say that the Aedra fell from the heavens, some say that they have always been there. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 06:37, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * A quest for Knowledge Update: Okay you seem to know at least the basic materials, and I am very thankful for your response. But my real questions are more complicated and require more detail. I am aware that the Dwemer Dissipated due to unknown circumstances involving the Heart of Lorkhan (I believe the Dead God, the one who created Nirn?) Now I believe the Chimer and the Dwemer were at war with one another (Question: Why exactly?) and the Dwemer constructed some kind of Mechanical God using the Heart of Lorkhan (Question: Were they using this to batle the Chimer? And what exactly happened the the mechanical God and when). Then I believe I read the the Chimer became the Dunmer (Darkelves) or something, clarification of this would be also appreciated and why exactly were they turned into Dark Elves exactly. Most importantly in this segment I want to know what happened to the Heart of Lorkhan? Did it vanish with the Dwemer or is it still located somewhere in Tamerial?
 * Those questions are actually somewhat easy to answer, as they revolve around the core storyline of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. The Dwemer dissipated (except for one, who was visiting the Astral Planes at the time of the event). The reason they all disappeared though, is that their King, Kagrenac, was experimenting with the Heart of Lorkhan, and his experiments backfired unexpectedly. (Basically, he was messing with powers that should not be messed with). Yes, they were constructing a god using that device, Numidium, I think it was. Yes, Lorkhan was the one that created Nirn, too :) Okay, now, the Chimer and Dwemer were at war at the time due to major differences in beliefs (the Dunmer worshipped the Daedra, and the Dwemer worshipped profanities, such as the self-made god that they were trying to create. However, due to the fact that both groups were instrumental in the Four Score War against the Septim Empire, there was a close friendship between the two. The hero of the Chimer, Nerevar, was good friends with the king of the Dwemer. The Dwemer told him (what he thought was honestly) that they were not tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan. However, one of the major scientists was doing just that. Events there get a bit complicated. Dagoth Ur gets involved, showing the deciet to Nerevar. The Tribunal were there too, although they were mortal then. Then at some point during the Battle of Red Mountain (as it was known), the Dwemer were wiped out during an experiment, and Nerevar went inside the mountain to investigate. He came back with Lorkhan's heart to his generals. They then betrayed him, as they sought immortality. They succeeded in doing so, and became the Tribunal that was worshipped by the Tribunal Temple. Azura, the Daedric Princess, was furious by the betrayal of her favourite hero (Nerevar), and in her anger, turned the Chimer into Dunmer (the Dark Elves, also known as "the cursed ones"). (Oh, and the heart no longer exists in Tamriel. It was killed at the end of the storyline of Morrowind, in order to kill the evil (the heart of lorkhan drove him insane), Dagoth Ur.
 * Thats the end of the first part (the part I can answer). As for the Aedra and the Heavens: Noone actually knows this. I know that noone killed him. I believe (but this cant be proven conclusively as sources are extremely sketchy) that he was killed during the creation of Nirn. The Aedra apparently fell from heavens as seen in this book, but again, its inconclusive. As for the heavens - Noone actually knows for certain. Indeed, that, and the creation of the Aedra, are mysteries that have not yet been explained in full.
 * The Elder Scrolls is even tricker still. To quote from the librarian in the College of Winterhold: They just ARE. No explanation can be given as to why, other than that they are fragments left over from creation. Ah, I hope this clears things up a little bit. Unfortunately, it probably doesnt. A lot of this stuff is very sketch, as there are very few (if any) sources that attempt to explain them. Then again, considering how far apart from the game series this information is, we're lucky to have ANY explanation :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:03, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * p.s. I almost had a heart attack when it said it couldnt post my massive wall-of-text explanation due to an edit conflict! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:03, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hahaha I'm so sorry, you have no idea how many times something like that has happened to me on a site like facebook XD. I'm very fortunate you were able to post this information, and I am in your debt for it. This helped put things in a better perspective for me, my first Elder Scrolls game was Morrowind and I was an still am very fond of it. But honestly back then I never even tried the story, I just went around all the towns slaughtering gaurds and towns folk. In some aspects it allowed you more freedom than the Elder Scrolls games of today seeing as how you were able to kill ANYONE (even quest characters) and murder people in there homes without the guards knowing. But playing Oblivion so many years later I actually played the story and have developed a strong fondness of both the Fallout and Elder Scrolls Stories. This being said I feel as though I missed out on a key bit of Elder Scrolls History I would have benefited from. Also to be clear, Skyrim's elder scroll dealing with Alduin was the last Elder Scroll prophecy known of correct? It was supposed to be the last scroll telling the end of the world right? If so does that mean there are no more known prophecies in the Elder Scolls series? As for Lorkhan this is said in I believe the History segment of this elder scrolls wiki "Altmer legend details the anger the remaining Aedra had towards Lorkhan once Nirn had been created. As punishment, they imprisoned him and tore out his heart, intending to destroy it. However, the Aedra were present on Nirn, and Nirn itself was the remnants of Lorkhan's body. Thus, his Heart was literally the Heart of the World, and could not be destroyed. Instead, the Aedra threw the heart down to earth, intending to bury it forever" so I have to wonder if there might be something possibly true in reading that or are the elves full of shit lol. And lastly I would then be correct in saying that no one knows what happened to the Dwemer and Sithis's place is uncertain? -Luke
 * Heh. Its all good :) I have played Morrowind ... well, more than a few times, so there has been enough time for me to develop a fairly good understanding of the storyline involved. With regards for the Elder Scrolls - um, I dont know? I dont recall them ever saying that this was the last one? (As far as I know, they can keep cranking them out for as long as they feel that they want too). That, or they could always go to an earlier point in time. (For me though, I'd love to have the expansion/next game taking place in Valenwood or somewhere, with the fight being taken to the Aldmeri Dominion themselves. (Heck, there could even be a questline option as to whether or not you help the Thalmor or work against them :D) As for the Elves and Lorkhan, though - its possible that they are, however, remember that all of this took place in the "Dawn Era" when record keeping was extremely spotty (oral history or worse). So events are likely to have been heavily altered if not completely fancified. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 03:29, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hope I'm not intruding, but I just put the skill book Battle of Red Mountain page up 2 days ago, it is a transcript of Vivec talking during an interogation and explains the final fight between the Chimer and Dwemer. Included is the story of how the Tribunal became gods and all of Chimer becoming Dunmer. p.s. Was wondering why it took so long for you talk page to load. Neguy71inok (talk) 04:00, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * You are not intruding at all, Neguy71inok! Thanks for adding it as well. Somehow I missed it out of the Morrowind books (that and the Charwich letters are just about LITERALLY the only ones that werent already added. Still, thanks! It helps to supplement the storyline of Morrowind. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 04:05, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank u Timeoin, although I never had a doubt that Bethesda wouldn't make more elder scrolls games. I just though that this was the last ""Elder Scroll" once the Dragons returned to Tamriel but hell I could be mistaken. Thanks again, I'll probally have more questions soon but I'll give you a break for now :)

A question about item pages
Hiya Timeoin. One of the projects I have set for myself is updating the leather page and doing a page for the hides/ pelts. Right now there are pages (with no content) for several of the hides/ pelts individually. I was going to make a single page to list all of the hides/ pelts and put their respective info & pictures as apposed to 13 pages. But before I do I wanted to know what the Wiki wants. If we want a single page per item with a list page I can do that. Or if we just want a single page with all the info, I can do that. Also, as the game uses 'hide' and 'pelt', I dont know if we want to split it that way or just make a redirect. (I think I count 8 pelts & 5 hides). Your thoughts? DLanyon (talk) 11:27, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heya Timeoin. Thanks for the quick response. Excellent sugestion on the Tanning page and the linking. I will get to working on it shortly. And I'll tie in the current Leather page to them. DLanyon (talk) 12:33, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Patroller
Well, what does a partoller do? I am guessing i get red exclamation marks in front of each edit and will need to mark them as patrolled?

That would shure make things easier.

Also i was kind of feeling bad for getting all those achivements without bringing new content to the wikia.

I would not mind terribly to patrol a bit, but when someone fakes statistics i might not have the knowledge to recognize wrong numbers.

°pet-troller undoes your edits :P°

regards --Loonix (talk) 13:54, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, i have no objections seeing that it will give me neighter more pain nor gain. Patroller Loonix reporting for duty. --Loonix (talk) 14:06, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Undelete
Hey there! I was wondering if you could undelete Hunter. At first, I agreed that the page was bogus, but yesterday, I encountered several Skyrim enemies named as Hunter. The information on the page before it was delete contained some inaccuracies, but it could be cleaned up and made into a pretty good article. So yeah, that's my opinion. :) --— Radical D  (bother \  stalk)  15:23, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't see a Hunter page, but today added the page Hunters as part of the tanning section I'm working on. If there is a hunter page, once you undelete it I'll look at the info and merge it with Hunters and add the redirect unless you want to. --DLanyon (talk) 06:51, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Weapons from mods?
Are we allowed to make pages about weapons you can make through mods? Such as the weapons here http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1935

Since they're not in the vanilla game, that makes is questionable as to put it here. I feel it'll be unimportant to the console players but PC players will definitely like to know that they can make Dragon weapons.

What is your take on this?

Spartan5811 (talk) 15:30, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Books
Yeah, I will. lol. When I'm done going through my inventory of books, that is very soon, I'll add author (fairly obvious sometimes), price, weight, etc. Btw, where do people find the full text of books? On the UESP? Or do they type it themselves? Justinius1 (talk) 03:12, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

I never really believed that they'd type it themselves... so I'm guessing that many are probably full of typos. Anyway, should the text from books be in italics? Thanks. Justinius1 (talk) 03:26, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Haha, it was a small error as I don't have the game infront of me and I needed quick directions to Bthalft - the copy/paste must have included the url by accident. Oops, but man - you saw that super quick because I immedietly fixed it as soon as I saw it! Jimeee (talk) 14:22, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Navigation 2
Just wanted to check if the navigation script (from here) is working for you and if the problem you had before is resolved. If you're still having problems, let me know and I'll try to figure out what's going on. Cheers :) --Anon(Talk) 18:40, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

You Are Fast!
Wow, you are on the ball today! I went back to the Forsworn Missive to fix typo and add links, but you fixed the links before I had a chance. Neguy71inok (talk) 23:19, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I don't mind people fixing my errors, helps me learn, I usually do a double proof read once in editor and once in preview but um.. nature demanded attention this time. Question; is there a gallery I can view Skyrim images already loaded, I play on PS3 so I can't upload quality images and on some pages I see the info box missing an image and just itch to fix it. Neguy71inok (talk) 23:31, December 7, 2011 (UTC)