Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-24256580-20131206011928/@comment-13446185-20140112192608

Zippertrain85 wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: Zippertrain85 wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: Zippertrain85 wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: Zippertrain85 wrote: Yes, they had to enter Black Marsh in order to trade, the Argonains didn't just leave Argonians on there doorstep as a gift.

Even if they did do that, explain how a few Dunmer could get through Black Marsh, when not even Tiber Septim could, when not even the Daedra could? It makes no sense in any way. Also, the Dunmer have no poison or disease resistance what so ever, if they went into black Marsh they would probably get sick and start going out one after one. Not to mention what would happen if they brought it back to Morrowind. 'Yes, they had to enter Black Marsh in order to trade, the Argonains didn't just leave Argonians on there doorstep as a gift. '"For ages the Dunmer have raided Black Marsh for slaves"

-Provinces of Tamriel

en if they did do that, explain how a few Dunmer could get through Black Marsh, when not even Tiber Septim could, when not even the Daedra could?

"Even when the land became inhabitable again, fear of the disease kept most outsiders away. House Dres of Morrowind continued to send slavers into the north, but few others saw any reason to trouble themselves with the land. Even Tiber Septim, it was said, thought twice before conquering Black Marsh for his new Empire. The borders of the province fell easily to his forces, but he wisely decided to avoid strategically unimportant inner swamps, and thus met with little resistance."

-Pocket Guide to the Empire, Third Edition: Black Marsh The reason why Tiber Septim was able to conquer it easily because barely any Argonians live on the Boarders. As I said to Draevan, they wouldn't risk it as it would probably start a war. And that quote you gave kind of proves my point. That wasn't my point at all, in fact the quote I put up literally says that Tiber thought twice about invading Black Marsh, I realize that Black Marsh is unconquerable.

"explain how a few Dunmer could get through Black Marsh"

-You

My point (which I'm not sure how you missed as it was bolded) was that the Dunmer would send slavers into Black Marsh regardless. Tiber Septim was more afraid of Black Marsh then the Dunmer were. Yet the Argonians did nothing about this, and they didn't recieve any diseases despite Black Marsh being full of them still not proof. It is definitely proof... Do you honestly think that if something doesn't happen the way you think it should than its not proof? No, it's not. I explained how it contradicts evidence we're told in-game. Why do you Lore Scholars hate when people question lore? I don't hate questioning lore, in fact I do it all the time. But you're evidence certainly doesn' contradict mine.

Let's look at this a different way

I'm saying that the Dunmer would go into Blackmarsh to get slaves; you're evidence is the many hazards in Blackmarsh

But just because Black marsh is full of diseases doesn't mean the Dunmer wouldn't send slavers into it, now if their never was evidence that the Dunmer went into the marsh than it could obviously be assumed that they, as you said, just bought slaves from the Argonians; but this isn't the case, there is lore that clearly states that house Dres raided villages for slaves.

Blackmarsh isn't as impenetrable as you think. The Eternal Champion was able to get into the deepest areas of the Murkwood by himself.

Then their is also the fact that House Dres only raided the northern borderlands, they never went deep into the Murkwoods of Argonia anyways. Just like how Tiber Septim and Reman only raided the borderlands.