Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26213507-20150715194939/@comment-25551198-20150908001436

S&#039;Dalaar the Snowcat wrote: Shigeru Thalmor Slayer wrote: Dalaar the Snowcat wrote: As for your question: “How many citizens die when Ulfric attempts to take Whiterun? Or when he takes Solitude?” In Whiterun, only one. In Solitude, none. Soldiers don’t count as civilians. Unless you meant something else. The only confirmed casualty of the war is Severio Pelagia (divines bless his soul), but I would say that’s still pretty good. It could have been a lot worse. I don't think so.

Battle of Whiterun (Stormcloak side):

Balgruuf: Tell me, Vignar. Was all this worth it? How many of those corpses lining our streets wear the faces of men who once called you friend? What about their families?

Galmar: Enough! Both of you! There is a burning city out there that needs a government.

Vignar: He's right. Galmar, come, let us restore order.

The Stomcloaks killed civilians during their assault on Whiterun and Vignar didn't care about the civilian casualties. Worse still, he becomes Jarl. A Jarl who let the Stormcloaks kill his own people. But what civilians? Count the number of citizens of Whiterun before the Stormcloak assault on the city. Then count the same number again after the Stormcloaks siezed the city. It will be everyone, except Severio Pelagia. Balgruuf was obviously refering to the soldiers who had died in the field. Not the innocent civilians. And as for the soldiers deaths, it is all on Balgruuf's head. He had the option to side with Ulfric and prevent the death of his soldiers. Ulfric would have welcomed that. Balgruuf picked a side and it had consequenses. Dont blame Stormlcloaks or Imperials for the orders that the Jarl himself issued.

Balgruuf picked a side because Ulfric forced him