Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-30011802-20170217032502/@comment-31436340-20170324054055

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Stop using speculation as a source and come with valid sources. By your own logic, I can claim that the Moons crashed into Nirn and destroyed everything on it, because I don't need to prove it.

And no it isn't. The only spies that we know of in either the Thalmor or the Empire are not used against one another. Stop with the speculative nonsense.

There's nothing to prove there are spies, therefor there are none. Skyrim's fate is grim at best under both Empire or Stormcloaks rule.

As for spies. It's not speculation. It is just how the world works between countries or Nations. There is no need for speculation for this. It is a fact that spies are part and parcel of interactions between two nations full stop. There is nothing to talk about the matter. It is something you don't need evidence because that is how things work. The Blades, the Thalmor they are undisputed evidence that spies exists and both sides are watching each other carefully. Allied nations spy on each other almost all the time, hostile nations that is not fighting because they just wants to recover? Hell yes.

As for the sheer stupidity that you mentioned about moon crashing on Nirn. That is not what something will happen. That is just an example so poor that you can't make an even poorer example to compare with something that comes under: How things works. Because something as stupid and outlandish as Moon crashing onto the planet does not occur naturally. The last time there was even an event like this was due to a Daedric Prince. That was not something equivalent to how things work. Therefore, it may sound rude, but your suggestion is plain stupidity while mine was simply pointing out that countries especially two hostile ones spying on each other is something that will happen or not. It is a matter of whether the incompetent Empire Dogs can accomplish the impossible, flush out their well-established Supremely superior Elven Masters' Spies.

The Thalmor's presence itself, the Aldmeri Dominion, the Empire, the Elder Council itself is undisputable concrete evidence that spies exists. It is a matter of whether the writer for next story wants to include them or not. Whether or not they exist is not up for debate and irrevelant because it is a fact tha the Empire is just as incompetent as the Stormcloaks will be in running Skyrim for reasons.