Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-97.81.240.58-20130603234626/@comment-67.184.101.171-20131119042123

StealthBlade98 wrote: Swolp wrote: StealthBlade98 wrote: a law that was made by tricking tidus into signing a treaty that benefitted thalmor? I hardly find that a justified reason to go into skyrim, morrowind,  hammer to spread there BS and force people who to worship or not? They have no right to do so. you want to say only tamriel? fine but not spreading your beliefs onto others. Tricked? In what way was he tricked into signing the peace treaty? And it benefitted both parts, the Empire surely would have lost the war, had it continued, so of course they had to give something in return. The banishing of Talos' worship was that something. Even though I very much despise the Thalmor, and most high elves due to their superior view of themselves, I still cannot say that their way is wrong. They are doing what they believe, just as I am when I am slaying ever one of them bastards I encounter.

Could you clearify what you mean with "you want to say only tamriel? fine but not spreading your beliefs onto others."?

This is it for today. Good night! First off the thalmor used fear and bluffing to get titus mede II to sign a peace that did not benefit the empire, it only benefitted the thalmor. There's also no possible reason to suggest the thalmor would have beaten the empire during the great war. Titus agreed to a crappy treaty that other people seem to think it was necessary like Jarl Balgruuf but it's been suggested that the thalmor are not that strong. Hammerfell drove the invasion of the thalmor and prevented them from taking it over which suggest that the titus just submitted defeat without actually going down in a fight which is what he should have done. He even ignored the special counsel of the blades to which led to there complete defeat and because of this, the Penitus Occulatus now are the special guards of the king where as there's literally only 2-3 blades remaining. This is probably the main reason why Amaund Motierre wanted the assassination of the king in the darkbrotherhood questline.

Also to what i meant by tamriel, the thalmor treaty was to outlaw the worship of talos BUT that shouldn't have extended past tamriel. Which means they have no right or jurisdiction to go to hammerfell, skyrim...etc and demand people to stop worshiping talos. It's complete lunacy that they think they can do this stuff, and like Dovahsebrom stated there's nothing in the treaty that suggest they are supposed enforce this on everyone. You see the problem is that even if the White Concorat Treaty was not neccessary for the survival of the Empire(which I am inclined to believe it is), the Empire needs as many soldiers as possible to defeat the Thalmor, especially since the Thalmor came out of that fustercluck as the clear winners. If the provinces keep seceding(Argonia and Morrowind are already seperated, Elsweyr is trying to seperate, and if Skyrim seceds, High Rock will be isolated from the rest of the Empire) the Aldemri Dominion will end up fighting only Cyrodiil, possibly Skyrim as well. While Skyrim seceding does not really mean there will be no Nord soldiers fighting in the 2nd Great War, it does mean they won't be helping keep the other provinces in the Empire, specifically High Rock. Argonia and Morrowind clearly only care about fighting each other, if Elsweyr secedes they will be far more concerned with rebuking any Imperial influence and possibly starting a war with Argonia, and High Rock may secede if it feels there is no benefit to joining the Empire. Of all the factions that could secede, Skyrim is the only one likely to join Cyrodiil against the Thalmor, with possible help from Hammerfell. High Rock, Morrowind, Elseweyr, and Argonia would all be too concened with their own affairs. This is of course, assuming Skyrim helps Cyrodiil in a united effort against the Thalmor, which may not happen, and in that case, everything hits the fan and there is no way a real resistence will form against the Thalmor.

Ultimately, I sympathesize with the Nords desire for freedom of religion and independence, but it is because of their suffering under the Thalmor that should make them know better, the Thalmor are the real threat, and a united front against them is what is the mos tlikely to prevent the genocide of men and beastfolk.