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CynicalEarth wrote: WrathOfHircine wrote: Where does it says about Mora?

I'm glad you asked.

There are other Daedric Princes who could ovethrow Jyggalag despite his growing power, but Hermaeus makes the most sense.

Boethia lords over conspiracy, plots, betrayal and the "unlawful overthrow of authority". Now, amongst Daedra, there are no leaders per se; only Princes with more power than others. Boethia could overthrow Jyggalag via an uprising of sorts, but betrayal alone couldn't turn the Prince of Order and Logic into the Prince of Madness and Dementia. Jyggalag would have mustered his forces and confronted Boethia in her own Place, akin to the Greymarches.

Mehrunes Dagon, however, presents a more appealing aspect: Destruction and Change. Dagon could have easily lead an army alongside Boethia to stop Jygglypuff dead in his trenches, but as we all know: MD loves swinging his axe and scream "DAGON SMASH!". Dagon doesn't do idendity crisis or curses, only smash and smash and smash.

Then in-walks Namira, who has a hard-on for repulsive things and beings, such as spiders, slugs and various diseases and physical disformity. 'Twould be hilarious to see her turn someone devoted to order and logic into what he hates most, something Jyggalag would consider repulsive or undesirable, but it's unlikely. She usually keeps to herself.

Another possible candidate comes forth as Vaermina -- princess of nightmares, evil omens and torture. One could theorise that she cursed Jyggalag into forever serving his own enemy as an alter-ego to torture him, to make him live in a nightmare of his own psyche and values.

So now we have Namira, Vaermina and Hermaeus Mora as possible perpetrators of Jyggalag's damnation as Sheogorath. Namira, as we said, doesn't seem likely. It's fun to think that her "repulsive" powers could turn Jygg into something grotesque, but it doesn't meet the definition Bethesda gave us -- "Jyggalag was cursed into becoming his alter-ego, his polar opposite." Simply being that by which you are disgusted is only a play on words, but an amusing one nonetheless.

Vaermina. Reflecting upon what I explained about Namira, you should understand that Daedra ain't got no time fo' word plays. Damning him into his worst nightmare, or living it thereof, would be both ironic and sardonic, but altogether false. Living as the very incarnation of everything you oppose may seem comical to us, but in TES Lore, sarcasm is seldom popular.

That leaves us Hermaeus Mora, scrier of the stars, knower of All That Is, and scholar of Fate and Forbidden Knowledge. Who else would know how to twist and deform a Daedra's very nature whilst knowing that it wouldn't last forever? Who else could see that Jyggalag would eventually return, albeit once 'twas too late. He knows everything, from what you know to what you will never know -- not to mention that Mora can literally read your fate. It makes sense that he would know how to change Jyggalag into Sheogorath, knowing the end of every Era marked by the rising of a hero; each stronger than the last. Eventually, said hero would grow in such power and influence that the mantling of a Daedric Prince would become reality for the Prince of Order, whom would then return to his realm and be cured of his damnation when 'tis too late for him to ever again threaten the other Daedric Princes.

Not convinced? Read the articles where Mora knew Miraak, an old Dragon Priest from the Merethic Era, predicted that the Last Dragonborn from the Fourth Era would come and vanquish him.

It isn't crazy to think Mora knew all along that the Hero of Kvatch would assume Jyggalag's role as Sheogorath after Oblivion and Nirn were seperated by Martin' sacrifice. 'Twould greatly limit Jygg's influence both in the mortal realm and in Oblivion. But the curse is very similar the the concept of Vaemina's dadroc artifact, becoming your enemy, I cite http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Skull_of_Corruption_(Oblivion) the only difference being you as your own enemy is a separate entity from you I like the curse.