Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-8248675-20130606043855/@comment-17114085-20140428004241

Pelinal-Ysmir was before Wulfharth, but the specifics on this are very iffy, he is only briefly mentioned in Before the Ages of Man

However, that's not my point, my point is that Wulfharth was the first Ysmir to be worshiped as a god.

''Wulfharth adopts and is adopted by the Nords then. Ysmir the Grey Wind''

Wulfharth was adopted into the Nordic Pantheon, but the Nords forgot who Ysir truly was do to his heavy connections to Lorkhan. So he wasn't the First Ysmir, the title already existed before Wulfarth. Ok, him being the first to be worshiped depends on when the Nords switched from the Ancient Nordic Pantheon to the Nordic Pantheon. I don't really know if there is a date. But if they switched before 1E 500-ish then Wulfarth wasn't the first to be worshiped.

Because this is confusing stuff. It sure as hell is...why couldn't Bethesda just f*cking explain all this so I wouldn't get headaches all the time when trying to figure this out. But I think that not even Bethesda truly understands this part of the lore.

They were all blessed either way. Also I don't consider Hjalti a dragonborn. At the very least he is dragonblooded like the rest of his family but there was a quote from the Arcturian Herecy that could imply that he was special, more so than Wulfarth. Hjalti must have been more than just another Shezarrine.

"It is the rumbling of the Greybeards that wake him. Though the Empire has crumbled, there are rumors that a chosen one will come to restore it. This new Emperor will defeat the Elves and rule a united Tamriel. Naturally, Wulfharth thinks he is the figure of prophecy. He goes directly to High Hrothgar to hear the Greybeards speak. When they do, Ysmir is blasted to ash again. He is not the chosen one. It is a warrior youth from High Rock. As the Grey Wind goes to find this boy, he hears the Greybeards' warning: remember the color of betrayal, King Wulfharth."

It was Talos.

Exactly Hjalti cannot use the Thu'um. It was Talos and Ysmir who knew it. Aye, it could have been the Oversoul more than likely, but Hjalti was there along with Wulfarth. It wasn't just Wulfarth pretending to be Hjalti. Talos's physical form used the thu'um, which was Hjalti. I mean the Underking wrote his name in there for a reason. Just like he wrote this.

"No one can stand before Hjalti's storms."

But that could have just been him referring to the Oversoul as Hjalti, gods that is confusing. But on other paragraphs he calls the Oversoul Talos. So maybe he truly is referring to Hjalti and not Talos. But then again he refers to Wulfarth as Ysmir sometimes then as Underking then as Wulfarth. So maybe he is a little crazy.