Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-209.7.3.188-20160303204000/@comment-26459635-20161102145705

Terawolf119 wrote: YinyangElementofduality wrote: The Beautiful Princess Ashley wrote: one of the reasons i side with the empire is because ulfric is a power hungry warmonger. he claims to fight for religious freedom, but this is nonsense, as he did not allow the Forsworn their religious freedom. he claims to fight for the people of skyrim, but this is also bullshit, for if he loved skyrim, he wouldn't tear it apart with a civil war. he's only waging this war to become high king. I don't care his motives. Whether if because he felt he lost his honor after being captured and tortured by Elenwen, surrendered secrets to the enemy or not, whether if he believe that by continually telling himself that he is fighting for the people of Skyrim and actually acting upon it can restore his honor - This is just semi-trolling assumptions on basis of what I learn about the Nord Culture and Ulfric's portfolio.

I Don't Care. I don't care if the Imperials were too proud to give up the hollow title of being center of the Empire of Tamriel or they are afraid that losing Hammerfell follow by Skyrim will make them look weak which resulted in being attacked by the Aldmeri Dominion and they won't have Redguards and Nords to help them fight off Altmer, Khajiit and Bosmers.

I don't care what is their motives. No matter what it is, what excuses one can give me. To me, Skyrim's Civil War is a complete waste of time. In fact this is too much effort spent on this topic. 95% of the time in my Skyrim, I make decisions based on preparing a private army to join the war against the Aldmeri Dominion.

(PS: remaining 5% of the time, I'm responsible for the entire Stormcloak or Imperial Camps outside cities being mysteriously cleared out for no reason simply because I wanted to have done something like this so I can selectively piss off certain groups of people of my choosing for example if I want to piss of Imperial fanboys/girls, I will say "oh I cleared out the entire Imperial Camp for fun because I want to make the Imperial soldiers squirm, wail and screech in horror as the Dragonborn shouted the entire Camp into oblivion for my own amusement.) I think you would like these,

 "The Empire needed to sign the White-Gold Concordat or else it would've been destroyed".

The Dominion made the largest army in Elven history attack the Imperial City, to which the Empire destroy all of them. This had to have taken a toll on their armies. And since Elves reproduce slower, they probably have barely recovered. So really the concordat was worthless. You might be asking yourself, "If they could've won why did he sign it at all?". In big wars like the Great War, people get very tired of fighting. This probably happened to the Emperor and the Elder Council. The Dominion, despite losing, didn't seem the giving up type, so the Emperor must've thought they could just make peace together, but that decision lead to the oppression of the people. Not the salvation of the Empire.

"The Empire is going to fight the Dominion after the civil war ends"

A lot of Imperials use this to justify them joining the Empire. But this isn't actually true. If you talk to the Imperial Legate if Riften they actually say after the wars ends they plan to invade Morrowind. That shows after the civil war they are NOT going to fight the Dominion. The only people who say the Empire has any plans of fighting anytime soon is some soldiers and Tullius, but they don't make that decision. It seems to be mearly speculation that Imperials have made because they think the Empire will fight back. But that doesn't mean it's actually true.

"The Nords made the Empire"

So what? I hear this argument being used a lot but I fail to see how it holds any weight in a civil war debate. I could assume that point they're trying to make is that since the Nords support the Empire they shouldn't fight it. But what these people don't realize is that the Empire is doing bad to Skyrim now. It doesn't matter if it was created by the Nords, it's doing nothing but allowing the Dominion to oppress the people. Anyway, if the Nords made it, don't they have the right to call quites if they feel it's not working anymore? As the Old Orc said, keeping something past it's usefulness is unnecessary.

"The Empire is the best hope for unity in Tamriel".

This might sound right on the serface, but the deeper you dig, you'll realize this argument is false & misleading. Since the Empire is of course... an Empire people think they will put all the Provinces together, but this is untrue. The Empire has made enemies with two Provinces. Hammerfell and Morrowind. Hammerfell because they abandoned them when the Dominion was trying to fight them, and Morrowind because they refused to help them with the Argonian invasion. The Summerset Isles, Valenwood, and Elswyer are all part of the Dominion, so they can't get help from them, Black Marsh has stayed out of the war for a while so I don't think they'll be joining soon. Which means the only two Provinces they have are Skyrim and High Rock. But if the Stormcloaks win not only will they lose Skyrim, but they wouldn't be able to get connection to High Rock. The Stormcloaks on the other hand, seem like they could unify Tamriel. They actually asked High Rock if they wanted to join them, the Redguards have similar ideas to the Stormcloaks, and the Dunmer hate the Empire and the Dominion. If these four nations teamed up to fight an already weak Thalmor, the fight will be a walk in the park. So the Stormcloaks are really the best hope for unity in Tamriel. 1 the empire didn't know how many soldiers the dominion had left. the signing of the concordat was unnecessary in retrospect, but it made perfect sense to sue for peace at the time (though i'll admit, the terms were unreasonable). 2 it doesn't matter if the empire intends to start this war, as the dominion clearly does (referring to the great war as the 1st war with the empire and such). 3 agreed, that argument is stupid 4 for this argument, you're assuming the stormcloaks win. your argument is basically "if the stormcloaks win, it's best if they win". also, morrowind is a useless ally as they're still recovering from the red year, and while hammerfell hates the empire, they're not exactly friendly with skyrim either (border disputes and such). basically, if the empire wins, they have 3 provinces, while skyrim would be on its own in case of a stormcloak victory.