Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-82.209.153.208-20140328221319/@comment-64.132.32.254-20190104200018

Great Ulcer wrote: Pelinal Whitestrake wrote: Amaranth is a somewhat complex topic. I'll try to explain it as good as I can, although you can also inform yourself about complex lore topics in the Imperial Library.

So, Amaranth is basicly a person becoming a new Godhead and dreaming his own dream. If you don't know yet, the TES Universe is basicly a "dream" (it's a very realistical dream, though, not just a "normal" dream) of an unconscious entity called the "Godhead", which is sleeping.

The first step to Amaranth is to achieve CHIM. Achieving CHIM requires that a person understands that the World is just a "dream" and that individuality doesn't exist, but that person still has to maintain a personality and has to be able to say "I". Remember, this is a very rough explanation.

So, if a person succeeds in both things, then that person achieves CHIM. A "CHIMster" is basicly like a lucid dreamer inside a dream: he can actively alter the dream through his will. However, most CHIMsters don't do that since altering too much would make the Godhead wake up, which would totally destroy the TES Universe.

Achieving CHIM is the first step to Amaranth. However, CHIM is about selfishness. A CHIMster only does something when he really wants it out of personal gain (such as Tiber Septim removing Cyrodiil's Jungle to make his Army more efficient). But Amaranth is about selflessness. An Amaranth sacrifices himself to dream a new dream, and looses all power he had before. The Godhead of a dream doesn't have any power about his own dream.

So, we know that selflessness is the key to Amaranth. The first known Amaranth is Anu.

Again, remember that this was just a really, really rough explanation. You should research this topic yourself, since it's a quite deep and complex concept. I hope I could help. I really don't want to be that guy, but I think that sounds kind of dumb. you dream a new universe and therefore are no longer subjesct to destruction should the one you came from end, but you might as well not exist because you have no influence to do anything anymore, there's just a new universe. This sounds like it's trying to be deep an interesting but just comes off as some pseudo-existentialist drek. "Sacrifice yourself for the ultimate power, which is no power at all, but hey, there's a new universe now." Like commented below you, no one said that the amaranth is exempt from its current dream. Obviously, this a bit difficult to conceptualize, considering the perceived length of existence within the TES universe's dream, but time would itself merely be a construct of that universe, meaning that it could be divvied up into as small or as large of portions as desired, since the exact interval itself would be irrelevant, as it merely serves as the benchmark by which the inhabitants of that universe exist. Take one step above Anu's dream, and his experience could merely be defined as that of a child, sleeping for the usual eight hours that he does within his own dreamed up universe. The TES universe could end in an instant if this child were to suddenly be jolted awake. Perhaps it's entire lifespan is repeated every night.

Obviously, this is arbitrary speculation, a result of musings on the implications of a dreamed up universe, and it means pretty much nothing. Rather, I'm trying to define why something as expansive as the TES universe could seem so inconsequentially fragile at the very deepest levels of its speculated origin. It could merely be a dream. Simply a dream. One as common as the dreams you and I have every night. Hopefully this makes sense.