The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log July 2018

Rename "|additional effects =" to "|enchantment" Remove: "|upgrade material  = " Rename "|additional effects =" to "|enchantment" Remove: Add Set bonus Trait bonus Enchantment Set bonus Trait Enchantment Replace: With: Yes They finally got to 1/4 after many years ESO (and dlcs) Location template addition "Remove enemy stuff for all games; replace with either character or creature, depending on context" That thing is confusing Will probably present that in future moot Replace |Enemies with |creatures for location infoboxes Last message The quests that "complete" the location New: https://i.gyazo.com/840acd071d98d232bdb6d7702345be36.png https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Elder_Scrolls_Blades_Cover.jpg would suggest *not reflect the accurate*
 * 20:16:31: Atvelonis: Ok let's get started then, I suppose
 * 20:16:57: Atvelonis: @TinyClayMan is up first
 * 20:17:11: Amulet of Kings: Away
 * 20:17:24: TinyClayMan: Ok, a minute
 * opens a word file*
 * 20:17:57: TinyClayMan: Starting with ESO (and dlcs) Armor and Weapon templates renewal
 * 20:18:12: TinyClayMan: Consists of two parts
 * 20:18:58: TinyClayMan: Suggestions for armor:
 * 20:19:45: Bronkiin: I don't remember if you get additional effects that are seperate from enchantments
 * 20:20:03: Atvelonis: Additional effects is used for several games if I'm not mistaken
 * 20:20:03: Bronkiin: Haven't played ESO in ages
 * 20:20:08: TinyClayMan: Suggestions for weapons:
 * level            =
 * upgradematerial  =
 * type  =
 * 20:20:55: TinyClayMan: Additional effects in ESO equals to enchantment
 * 20:21:02: Bronkiin: (Y)
 * 20:21:24: Atvelonis: Well
 * 20:21:42: Atvelonis: We are planning to merge weapon & armor pages into a few big lists at some point
 * 20:22:06: Atvelonis: There will probably be a few notable weapons/armor that keep pages though. So I guess we still have to do this
 * 20:22:13: Amulet of Kings: What about level and upgradematerial?
 * 20:22:18: Atvelonis: I could have sworn I got rid of level
 * 20:22:31: Amulet of Kings: Why do you propose to remove them?
 * 20:22:34: TinyClayMan: Level equal's to character's level
 * 20:22:41: TinyClayMan: *without '*
 * 20:22:48: TinyClayMan: And they can't be upgraded
 * 20:23:11: Bronkiin: If they're being merged into a larger table on a single page I'm inclined to agree
 * 20:23:25: Atvelonis: What is "type" for?
 * 20:23:41: Amulet of Kings: True, why is there even an upgrade material field?
 * 20:24:02: TinyClayMan: Either "One-Handed" or "Two-Handed" or Mace/Sword/Claymor/etc.
 * 20:24:28: Atvelonis: Upgrade material field was probably created in like 2013 when we knew very little about ESO
 * 20:24:49: TinyClayMan: Ah, wait
 * 20:24:57: TinyClayMan: Type is for Mace/Sword/Claymor/etc
 * 20:25:33: Atvelonis: That's fine with me
 * 20:25:42: Atvelonis: The one thing with your proposal I'm unsure about is the additional effect
 * 20:26:19: Atvelonis: For https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template%3ASkyrimWeapons it just says "Magical bonuses or enchanted effects (i.e. Frost Damage, Absorb Health)"
 * 20:26:25: TinyClayMan: Weapon/Armor can have three types of bonuses:
 * 20:26:26: Atvelonis: But it's not specifically enchantments, at least in Skyrim
 * 20:26:43: Amulet of Kings: It would make sense to change it to enchantment if there were a list with all enchantments
 * 20:26:52: TinyClayMan: There is, iirc
 * 20:26:56: Atvelonis: But shouldn't we keep it how it is and just have the bonuses and enchantments?
 * 20:27:14: Atvelonis: Or do you think the bonuses shouldn't be listed?
 * 20:28:01: TinyClayMan: Set bonuses are listed on set's page
 * 20:28:09: Atvelonis: What about trait bonus?
 * 20:28:15: TinyClayMan: Trait parameter is already included in the infobox
 * 20:28:21: Amulet of Kings: That has nothing to do with a the weapon
 * 20:28:31: Amulet of Kings: Any weapon can have any trait
 * 20:28:52: TinyClayMan: *oh, overlooked that*
 * 20:29:08: Atvelonis: So if that's the case then we wouldn't have to list either bonus in the infobox
 * 20:29:14: Atvelonis: So it would be okay to just change it to enchanemtn
 * 20:29:17: Atvelonis: *enchantment
 * 20:29:17: Bronkiin: ^
 * 20:29:22: TinyClayMan: Oh wait
 * 20:29:25: Atvelonis: ?
 * 20:29:34: TinyClayMan: Some quest rewards have fixed traits
 * 20:29:40: TinyClayMan: So |trait is ok
 * 20:30:15: Bronkiin: Fucking hell Atv your edit count XD
 * 20:30:26: Bronkiin: Bit larger than when I last looked
 * 20:30:30: Atvelonis: I've been hard at work
 * 20:30:32: Atvelonis: My bot's beaten that
 * 20:30:37: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:AkulakhanBot
 * 20:30:42: Amulet of Kings: So do named items have a defined trait?
 * 20:30:55: Atvelonis: Can you explain what a trait actually is?
 * 20:31:02: Atvelonis: I don't really understand how ESO works
 * 20:31:06: Atvelonis: I need to play it more
 * 20:31:12: TinyClayMan: A trait is that gem thing that is used during crafting
 * 20:31:19: Amulet of Kings: Traits: Divine, Sharpened...
 * 20:31:40: TinyClayMan: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Trait Gemstones section
 * 20:31:47: Amulet of Kings: Divine increases the mundus stone effect, sharpened increases penetration, and so on
 * 20:31:58: KINMUNE: Hello there, Blademaster Jauffre!
 * 20:32:03: Atvelonis: Hi Jauffre
 * 20:32:08: Blademaster Jauffre: ello
 * 20:32:16: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
 * 20:32:28: Atvelonis: So if the traits are fixed for some items, we should add that variable to the infobox as well
 * 20:32:38: TinyClayMan: *it is already there*
 * 20:32:38: Amulet of Kings: It is an additional effect that an item has, but when creating a weapon you can choose whichever trait you want if you already researched it
 * 20:32:38: Atvelonis: Right?
 * 20:32:40: Atvelonis: Oh
 * 20:32:53: Atvelonis: So it is
 * 20:33:11: TinyClayMan: There is no such thing as "additional effect" in ESO
 * 20:33:34: TinyClayMan: As I said:
 * 20:34:15: Atvelonis: Ok so to summarize, your proposal is to change and, removing the variables "upgrade material" and "level," renaming "additional effects" to "enchantment," and adding "type" for weapons.
 * 20:34:25: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 20:34:46: Atvelonis: You've answered my questions so I think we're good to go, unless there are any other concerns
 * 20:35:01: TinyClayMan: *that's all about this topic*
 * 20:35:41: Amulet of Kings: I'm fine with voting
 * 20:35:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: vote then?
 * 20:36:13: TinyClayMan: Noone seem to have any questions left
 * 20:36:16: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 20:36:19: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (=) I don't understand anything about Online
 * 20:36:42: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 20:36:48: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 20:36:53: Atvelonis: 3-1-0
 * 20:37:03: Atvelonis: Bron? Nekyn? Qahn?
 * 20:37:30: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Bronkiin
 * 20:37:33: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Nekyn Alb
 * 20:37:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Qahnaarin1997
 * 20:37:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: wake the fuck up
 * 20:37:42: Amulet of Kings: Is this moot valid? There us no one paying attention
 * 20:37:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
 * 20:38:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Neck-kun come back
 * 20:38:29: Nekyn Alb: Need to catch up
 * 20:38:29: TinyClayMan: *there is a great world cup match in progress*
 * 20:38:41: Atvelonis: Bron cast a vote you twit
 * 20:39:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh yeh I forgot that's going on
 * 20:39:15: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello both of you o/ :3
 * 20:39:19: Nekyn Alb: "additional effects" doesn't include traits?
 * 20:39:40: TinyClayMan: Trait parameter already exists
 * 20:39:54: TinyClayMan: Additional effects is a confusing name for enchantments
 * 20:39:56: Nekyn Alb: ah, I see
 * 20:39:56: The Great Laggi: Back!
 * 20:40:03: Bronkiin: ah shit
 * 20:40:05: Bronkiin: sorrru
 * 20:40:07: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:40:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: do you want to vote The Great Laggi?
 * 20:40:15: Bronkiin: (Y)
 * 20:40:16: The Great Laggi: for wut?
 * 20:40:22: Bronkiin: was stalking Tim on UESP XD
 * 20:40:25: TinyClayMan: For democracy
 * 20:40:28: The Great Laggi: (+)
 * 20:40:31: TinyClayMan: lol
 * 20:40:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
 * 20:40:46: The Great Laggi: whatever it is I am voting
 * 20:40:53: Bronkiin: |o|
 * 20:40:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: The Great Laggi "Atvelonis Ok so to summarize, your proposal is to change and, removing the variables "upgrade material" and "level," renaming "additional effects" to "enchantment," and adding "type" for weapons."
 * 20:40:56: Bronkiin: ^Tie Fighter
 * 20:41:01: Atvelonis: (+) bron
 * 20:41:05: Bronkiin: *TIE
 * 20:41:06: The Great Laggi: ahh
 * 20:41:10: The Great Laggi: ok
 * 20:41:23: The Great Laggi: i stick to my vote
 * 20:41:24: Bronkiin: oh lol yeh I know wasn't paying attention
 * 20:41:26: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 20:41:27: Atvelonis: 5-1-0 not including Bronkiin's fake vote
 * 20:41:30: Atvelonis: 6-1-0
 * 20:41:33: Atvelonis: Ok grand
 * 20:42:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: TinyClayMan next topic
 * 20:42:02: Atvelonis: @TinyClayMan: onto your second topic, then?
 * 20:42:13: The Great Laggi: Aww where is crus?
 * 20:42:17: TinyClayMan: Second topic is ESO (and dlcs) Creature template renewal
 * 20:42:45: TinyClayMan: Remove:
 * magic     =
 * stamina   =
 * armor     =
 * spells    =
 * damage    =
 * attacks    =
 * 20:42:57: Atvelonis: I think he is camping or something @Laggi
 * 20:43:03: The Great Laggi: oh
 * 20:43:23: Atvelonis: Are the magic/stamina/armor variables just not a real thing?
 * 20:43:38: TinyClayMan: I am also unsure about |resistance, but I don't know for certain
 * 20:43:47: TinyClayMan: >Are the magic/stamina/armor variables just not a real thing?
 * 20:43:52: Atvelonis: And what would go under "attacks"? Just the regular attacks that would go under the header normally?
 * 20:44:00: The Great Laggi: i think
 * 20:44:33: TinyClayMan: The attacks that can be seen during character's death summary
 * 20:44:47: The Great Laggi: oh
 * 20:45:00: Bronkiin: I'm so glad someone's sorting out the ESO infoboxes
 * 20:45:15: Bronkiin: I've always known they weren't quite right
 * 20:45:38: Atvelonis: Aha
 * 20:45:42: Atvelonis: Alright, makes sense
 * 20:45:47: Atvelonis: That's pretty straightforward
 * 20:45:52: The Great Laggi: yeah
 * 20:45:59: TinyClayMan: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Nagravia Examplary page for attacks
 * 20:46:47: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: how is the damage calculated?
 * 20:46:54: Atvelonis: Fine by me. So to summarize, remove the "magic," "stamina," and "armor" variables from, and replace "spells" and "damage" with "attacks."
 * 20:47:26: Atvelonis: Re damage: I think it tells you how much damage they did to you when you die?
 * 20:47:29: TinyClayMan: Damage is calculated based on player's armor/skills/champion points
 * 20:48:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh oki
 * 20:48:19: Qahnaarin1997: Fuck I'm still here?
 * 20:48:20: Amulet of Kings: The stats are scaled to each player, right?
 * 20:48:22: Qahnaarin1997: Peace
 * 20:48:34: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 20:49:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 20:49:10: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 20:49:16: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 20:49:19: Bronkiin: Like it (Y)
 * 20:49:22: The Great Laggi: (+)
 * 20:49:35: Bronkiin: And this time my vote stays fake.
 * 20:49:35: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 20:50:29: TinyClayMan: 5-0-0 ?
 * 20:50:41: The Great Laggi: yeah
 * 20:50:45: Atvelonis: 5-0-0 yes
 * 20:50:59: Atvelonis: I'm not counting your vote unless you actually vote bron
 * 20:51:03: Bronkiin: Ok
 * 20:51:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Nekyn Alb
 * 20:51:22: Atvelonis: lol ok then
 * 20:51:27: TinyClayMan: Okay then, third topic
 * 20:51:33: Atvelonis: Another one of yours?
 * 20:51:44: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 20:51:45: Amulet of Kings: Congrats Croatia
 * 20:51:49: Bronkiin: ^
 * 20:51:55: TinyClayMan: Yep
 * 20:51:58: Bronkiin: Would rather play Croatia than Russia
 * 20:52:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ugh plz no sports
 * 20:52:18: Bronkiin: "sports"
 * 20:52:21: TinyClayMan: Sad for Russia
 * 20:52:25: Bronkiin: Silly american terminologies
 * 20:52:32: TinyClayMan: Onto the topic
 * 20:52:32: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD
 * 20:52:35: The Great Laggi: sports make me angry
 * 20:52:54: The Great Laggi: abd bored
 * 20:53:01: The Great Laggi: and*
 * 20:53:03: Atvelonis: 6-0-0 with nekyn's vote
 * 20:53:09: Atvelonis: for previous topic
 * 20:53:38: TinyClayMan: This topic is quite small and was probably overlooked after one of the previous moots
 * 20:53:50: Bronkiin: What's the addition?
 * 20:53:51: TinyClayMan: Replace |Enemies with |creatures for location infoboxes
 * 20:54:14: Atvelonis: iirc we agreed some time ago to stop using the enemy classification altogether
 * 20:54:20: Bronkiin: I agree
 * 20:54:22: Atvelonis: But it's been only semi-put into place
 * 20:54:25: Bronkiin: Enemies is not helpful
 * 20:54:26: Bronkiin: but
 * 20:54:30: TinyClayMan: Still remains in quests and locations
 * 20:54:30: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
 * 20:54:36: Bronkiin: I will say that some "creatures" also function as "characters"
 * 20:54:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
 * 20:54:40: Atvelonis: Yes I have no gotten around to fixing it yet
 * 20:54:44: Atvelonis: *not
 * 20:54:45: The Great Laggi: afternoon
 * 20:55:05: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Atvelonis/Bot
 * 20:55:32: TinyClayMan: Re creatures=characters
 * 20:55:46: Atvelonis: We usually just choose one or the other
 * 20:55:51: Bronkiin: But enemies is trying to communicate something different
 * 20:55:56: Atvelonis: No page can have both OnlineCreatures and OnlineCharacters
 * 20:56:03: Atvelonis: Yes, but it's not really a useful classification
 * 20:56:06: Bronkiin: Its saying "x will be hostile at some point"
 * 20:56:11: Atvelonis: Part of the agreement was that we would add hostility to the infobox
 * 20:56:15: Bronkiin: ^
 * 20:56:20: Bronkiin: That would be the solution
 * 20:56:24: Atvelonis: (which is also going to happen, eventually)
 * 20:56:26: TinyClayMan: This topic's idea is:
 * 20:56:31: Bronkiin: because that element needs to be there
 * 20:56:40: Bronkiin: Disagree with that
 * 20:56:47: Bronkiin: Because not all creatures are enemies
 * 20:56:58: Bronkiin: and it doesn't give an indication as to hostility
 * 20:57:03: Bronkiin: not all enemies are creatures
 * 20:57:07: The Great Laggi: Like bandits
 * 20:57:15: TinyClayMan: We have the |characters parameter
 * 20:57:23: Atvelonis: We don't really need to vote on this
 * 20:57:30: TinyClayMan: Oh, ok
 * 20:57:32: Bronkiin: Sure but creatures does not equal enemies
 * 20:57:32: Atvelonis: It's pretty much already been decided that we will remove enemies
 * 20:57:42: Bronkiin: Its about what you replace it with
 * 20:57:50: Bronkiin: and it should be a hostility thing
 * 20:57:53: TinyClayMan: *Can suggest another topic*
 * 20:58:00: Atvelonis: Another topic?
 * 20:58:04: Atvelonis: Go ahead I suppose
 * 20:58:08: Bronkiin: (+)
 * 20:58:29: Amulet of Kings: No voting this time
 * 20:58:43: Bronkiin: lol you been following? ;)
 * 20:58:48: TinyClayMan: Addition of more variables for ESO (and dlcs) quests |type parameter
 * 20:59:29: TinyClayMan: Currently there are only Daily/Main/Secondary (and probably weekly, not sure about it)
 * 20:59:47: Atvelonis: Main/side/daily
 * 20:59:48: KINMUNE: Hello there, Rozty!
 * 20:59:51: Rozty: ayy
 * 20:59:56: The Great Laggi: Afternoon
 * 21:00:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
 * 21:00:02: Rozty: how's the moot going
 * 21:00:03: Atvelonis: Well I think the classification used might be repeatable, at least in categories
 * 21:00:12: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: that's so timezonist of you The Great Laggi
 * 21:00:13: Atvelonis: not sure about in the infobox
 * 21:00:19: TinyClayMan: I suggest adding Guild Quest/Repeatable Quest/Location quests
 * 21:00:23: TinyClayMan: Something like that
 * 21:00:24: The Great Laggi: haha
 * 21:00:42: Atvelonis: Guild quest as in Mages Guild etc.?
 * 21:00:44: Rozty: can anyone get me up to speed?
 * 21:00:46: TinyClayMan: Yes
 * 21:00:47: The Great Laggi: well it is 3:00pm in Utah
 * 21:01:07: TinyClayMan: Because marking 95% of the quests as "Side" doesn't help to navigate
 * 21:01:15: Atvelonis: That's true
 * 21:01:16: Bronkiin: Why do you think it should change?
 * 21:01:27: Atvelonis: What do you mean by "location quests"?
 * 21:01:32: TinyClayMan: Re Bronkiin
 * 21:01:48: Bronkiin: (Y)
 * 21:01:49: TinyClayMan: Re Atv
 * 21:01:51: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: we've voted on 2 topics so far and the third one was rendered moot (excuse my pun) Rozty
 * 21:02:01: Atvelonis: I don't know what that means
 * 21:02:05: Rozty: lol noice pun
 * 21:02:09: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: both topics passed
 * 21:02:15: Amulet of Kings: Could we include what zone the quest is set in?
 * 21:02:25: Atvelonis: Already included in |region
 * 21:02:28: Rozty: what topic are we on now? if it's eso i might be able to participate
 * 21:02:39: TinyClayMan: Mmm
 * 21:02:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: they're talking about quest templates
 * 21:03:07: Rozty: changing something about the type of quest?
 * 21:03:13: Atvelonis: read up
 * 21:03:15: Atvelonis: variables
 * 21:03:21: Atvelonis: adding more
 * 21:03:28: TinyClayMan: When you complete a certain quest in certain location, the location's map marker changes its color
 * 21:03:59: TinyClayMan: That's what I mean by Location Quest
 * 21:04:00: Rozty: ah, i thought it had been going on for a while but it just started
 * 21:04:14: TinyClayMan: *3.5th topic*
 * 21:04:15: Atvelonis: Can you give an example?
 * 21:04:16: Amulet of Kings: No, it started 1 hour age
 * 21:04:21: Rozty: oo
 * 21:04:24: The Great Laggi: It has been going a while mate
 * 21:04:32: Amulet of Kings: Blame the ET
 * 21:04:35: Rozty: i meant the current topic
 * 21:04:40: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I think she meant the current topic
 * 21:04:43: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 21:04:54: Bronkiin: There's an achievemnt iirc for doing all quests in a region
 * 21:05:04: TinyClayMan: Quest https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Illusions_of_Grandeur clears https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Illumination_Academy location
 * 21:05:09: Rozty: there's something like that i think
 * 21:05:33: Rozty: aren't there some quests that help towards an achievement of sort?
 * 21:05:34: Amulet of Kings: Do you mean the dark icons that become white?
 * 21:05:41: TinyClayMan: Yes, Amulet
 * 21:06:09: Atvelonis: I'm really not familiar with this type of quest
 * 21:06:16: Amulet of Kings: They are usually the final quest of a town's questline
 * 21:06:47: Amulet of Kings: Each town has about 2-3 quests, when you complete them, the town is "cleared"
 * 21:06:53: Bronkiin: Would the new classifications really be much easier to navigate?
 * 21:07:07: Bronkiin: It strikes me that perhaps another category or two might help
 * 21:07:08: Rozty: i completed proving Trust recently and it counted towards something that i'm still not sure what
 * 21:07:29: Rozty: is this what the new classification is about?
 * 21:07:49: Bronkiin: Its all above Rozty
 * 21:07:51: Atvelonis: more cats are feasible
 * 21:07:57: Atvelonis: e.g. in Skyrim we have a faction quests cat
 * 21:08:00: Atvelonis: with subcats for the factons
 * 21:08:02: Atvelonis: *factions
 * 21:08:09: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Skyrim:_Faction_Quests
 * 21:08:19: Rozty: yeah, sorry just still trying to understand what we are talking about
 * 21:08:23: TinyClayMan: We can add both categories and variables for the infobox
 * 21:08:32: Bronkiin: I'm not 100% sure though, it requires someone more familiar atm with ESO than me to get this right
 * 21:08:44: Bronkiin: I need to head off now. Good luck and see you all around \o
 * 21:08:51: Rozty: cya o/
 * 21:08:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: cya o/ :3
 * 21:09:00: Amulet of Kings: There is a gold reward parameter in the template, isn't the reward leveled to the player?
 * 21:09:04: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't think both is necessary
 * 21:09:28: Rozty: yeah, amulet atv fixed that to show leveled rewards accurately
 * 21:09:28: Atvelonis: Amulet that's a different topic but yes
 * 21:09:33: Atvelonis: Template:ESOGold
 * 21:09:36: Atvelonis: Has formula
 * 21:09:40: Amulet of Kings: Ok
 * 21:09:56: Atvelonis: @TinyClayMan: still don't understand the point of the location quests but factions definitely
 * 21:10:32: Rozty: what type of quests would be considered location quests for example? is the one i brought up earlier one?
 * 21:10:33: TinyClayMan: Ok then
 * 21:11:04: Amulet of Kings: Location quests don't have such a relevant impact
 * 21:11:23: TinyClayMan: Rozty, it is, iirc
 * 21:11:40: Rozty: i would get some objectives that weren't visible on the journal as complete when i was finished with one though
 * 21:11:53: Rozty: i think it may be relevant enough to include
 * 21:12:39: Rozty: as long as i am able to know how to tell them apart, because the on i brought up i only knew because of the things that popped up on my screen rather than the hournal
 * 21:12:45: Rozty: journal*
 * 21:12:50: Amulet of Kings: Well, some of them are part of an Alliance's questline too
 * 21:12:52: KINMUNE: Hello there, Kora Stormblade!
 * 21:13:17: TinyClayMan: The "Location quest" thing will overlap with other categories and suggested variables
 * 21:13:30: TinyClayMan: So if it is this confusing then we can probably do without it.
 * 21:13:38: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 21:13:48: Rozty: maybe just make it a category and not include it in the infobox?
 * 21:13:59: Atvelonis: eh
 * 21:14:01: Rozty: or just mention it in the page itself
 * 21:14:16: Atvelonis: Honestly I think just mentioning that it's part of the town questline (or whatever) is enough
 * 21:14:27: Rozty: like "clearing this quest counts towards blah objective"
 * 21:14:37: Amulet of Kings: In trivia, for example?
 * 21:14:48: Rozty: yeah, something like that
 * 21:14:48: TinyClayMan: The only impact it has is changing the color of the location's marker
 * 21:15:08: Rozty: then i guess trivia should be enough?
 * 21:15:21: Atvelonis: Sure
 * 21:15:57: TinyClayMan: Do we have Repeatable Quests category?
 * 21:16:03: Atvelonis: There is one already
 * 21:16:23: TinyClayMan: And what about Writ category?
 * 21:16:36: Rozty: are there really that many writs?
 * 21:17:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what are writs?
 * 21:17:15: TinyClayMan: Daily crafting quests
 * 21:17:19: Amulet of Kings: Crafting quests
 * 21:17:25: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh
 * 21:17:42: Atvelonis: If they're daily then they can go under that category I would say
 * 21:18:05: Rozty: hm? when did we change the eso colours?
 * 21:18:15: Atvelonis: More than a year ago alongside some others
 * 21:18:20: Atvelonis: But I don't like ESO's that much
 * 21:18:24: Atvelonis: We can talk about it in a minute
 * 21:18:28: Rozty: it was black before but now i see it as a bit grey
 * 21:18:36: Atvelonis: Yes I just updated the CSS
 * 21:18:38: TinyClayMan: *This evening, under a veil of secrecy*
 * 21:18:43: TinyClayMan: Okay then, run out of ideas
 * 21:19:06: Atvelonis: @TinyClayMan: to summarize, we start using categories for joinable faction quests (e.g. mages guild) and mention that in the "type" parameter in the infobox
 * 21:19:08: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:19:18: TinyClayMan: Adding the categories for each faction's questline's quest
 * 21:19:26: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 21:19:28: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:19:29: TinyClayMan: *just to clarify*
 * 21:19:32: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:19:33: Atvelonis: 4-0-0
 * 21:19:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
 * 21:19:44: Atvelonis: Nekyn?
 * 21:19:46: Atvelonis: 5-0-0
 * 21:20:06: Amulet of Kings: Is it considered democracy when only your friends vote?
 * 21:20:09: Rozty: Nekyn Alb
 * 21:20:14: Rozty: (thinking)
 * 21:20:24: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:20:53: Atvelonis: 6-0-0
 * 21:20:57: Atvelonis: Ok done
 * 21:21:05: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: who's friends?
 * 21:21:14: Rozty: (we are friends)
 * 21:21:16: Atvelonis: Next topic is Jauffre's but he's not here
 * 21:21:20: Amulet of Kings: Blademaster Jauffre was here for a moment
 * 21:21:20: Rozty: oof
 * 21:21:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 21:21:20: Atvelonis: So I will go
 * 21:21:39: Atvelonis: Before I do my topic I would like to go back to what Rozty just mentioned
 * 21:21:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't think I'm friends with anyone here besides Neck-kun
 * 21:21:55: Rozty: the eso colours?
 * 21:21:56: TinyClayMan: /Should I present another topic instead of Jauffres? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
 * 21:21:59: Nekyn Alb: <3
 * 21:22:01: Amulet of Kings: What is the coloring thing?
 * 21:22:05: Rozty: i thought it was black the whole time tbh
 * 21:22:11: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (heart)
 * 21:22:13: TinyClayMan: It was
 * 21:22:15: Atvelonis: In December 2016 there was a moot decision to change some of the infobox colors
 * 21:22:16: Amulet of Kings: Thanks High Goddess for breaking my heart
 * 21:22:22: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
 * 21:22:23: Atvelonis: Most of these were quite minor adjustments
 * 21:22:24: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:951028
 * 21:22:31: Atvelonis: Because I am lazy I did not update it until today
 * 21:22:33: Rozty: (don't go breaking my heart)
 * 21:22:41: Rozty: biog oof
 * 21:22:43: Atvelonis: Because I wanted to be able to compare them for my actual topic
 * 21:22:44: Rozty: nig*
 * 21:22:47: Rozty: big*
 * 21:23:00: Atvelonis: Anyway - I think all of them are perfectly fine except for the new one for ESO which I don't like at all
 * 21:23:06: Atvelonis: I think we thought it would look better but it doesn't
 * 21:23:09: Rozty: yeah me either
 * 21:23:15: Rozty: black was classy
 * 21:23:19: Atvelonis: Previous: https://i.gyazo.com/246159a219253e666a07d71d1cf34f9c.png
 * 21:23:23: Atvelonis: I prefer the old one
 * 21:23:31: Atvelonis: I would like to propose that we just stick with that
 * 21:23:40: Atvelonis: Because it looks nicer
 * 21:23:43: Rozty: i agree
 * 21:24:01: Rozty: (doesn't that mean that we go against a previous moot decision though_
 * 21:24:01: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:24:11: Atvelonis: Too minor for a CT
 * 21:24:19: Atvelonis: way too minor
 * 21:24:30: Rozty: oof, i wish the morrowind categories were as minor
 * 21:24:31: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh the black definitely works better (+)
 * 21:24:31: TinyClayMan: Grey/Black is a major thing
 * 21:24:38: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:24:40: Rozty: anyway (+)
 * 21:24:43: Atvelonis: 4-0-0
 * 21:24:50: Atvelonis: Nekyn? Amulet?
 * 21:25:04: Amulet of Kings: Wait
 * 21:25:18: Rozty: don't tell me you like the new one better
 * 21:25:20: Amulet of Kings: What is the rule to determine a color?
 * 21:25:27: TinyClayMan: Theme of the game
 * 21:25:33: Atvelonis: More or less the theme of the game
 * 21:25:36: Rozty: it must look nice i guess
 * 21:25:40: Atvelonis: But ESO is so gigantic that it has no theme
 * 21:25:56: Atvelonis: In like 2014 or 2013 they chose #111111 which I think is actually quite good
 * 21:25:58: Rozty: white to include everything (kappa)
 * 21:25:59: Amulet of Kings: Skyrim's color is blue, but the theme is grey
 * 21:26:05: Atvelonis: (the "previous" screenshot)
 * 21:26:09: Nekyn Alb: we voting for black ESO infobox?
 * 21:26:13: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 21:26:14: TinyClayMan: ESO's launcher is black
 * 21:26:16: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:26:28: Atvelonis: @Amulet: it's theme is white, if anything, but that would look bad with our wiki's theme
 * 21:26:33: Atvelonis: And yes the launcher is black
 * 21:26:38: Atvelonis: 5-0-0
 * 21:27:00: Amulet of Kings: Then let's change ESO's color back
 * 21:27:03: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 21:27:05: Atvelonis: 6-0-0
 * 21:27:13: Atvelonis: Ok good. One second while I fix that
 * 21:27:22: Nekyn Alb: https://i.imgur.com/Kn1uMFW.png black and grey and green (kappa)
 * 21:27:24: Rozty: balance is restored
 * 21:27:49: TinyClayMan: Gray and green is the last update's theme
 * 21:28:00: Nekyn Alb: We should use the leaf texture
 * 21:28:02: TinyClayMan: Summerset
 * 21:28:02: Nekyn Alb: I have it
 * 21:28:12: Rozty: with every update comes a new colour scheme
 * 21:28:18: Nekyn Alb: I know
 * 21:28:24: TinyClayMan: But black always remains
 * 21:28:26: Nekyn Alb: I've played since Tamriel Unlimited ^^
 * 21:28:30: Rozty: ( i was talking about infoboxes)
 * 21:28:54: TinyClayMan: Ancient Nekyn
 * 21:29:02: Rozty: let's change them every time a new update for eso releases (kappa)
 * 21:29:07: Atvelonis: kek
 * 21:29:09: Nekyn Alb: 300something hours nekyn
 * 21:29:13: Atvelonis: Anyway I do have an actual topic
 * 21:29:30: Atvelonis: So as we all know, at E3 Bethesda announced a new spin-off called Blades
 * 21:29:33: Atvelonis: The Elder Scrolls: Blades
 * 21:29:36: Nekyn Alb: (I also have the volcanic texture if you wanna do that too (kappa) )
 * 21:29:47: Atvelonis: We know almost nothing about this game, but we need to choose an infobox color for it
 * 21:29:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I will play the shit out of Blades
 * 21:29:59: Rozty: the hardest of choices
 * 21:30:13: Atvelonis: The only cover art I've found was from beth's side and it's this:
 * 21:30:22: Atvelonis: Which is a sort of beige
 * 21:30:30: Rozty: too bright tbh
 * 21:30:31: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what about the trailer
 * 21:30:32: Atvelonis: A bit pinkish
 * 21:30:43: Amulet of Kings: That is also the cover present at elderscrolls.bethesda.net
 * 21:30:47: TinyClayMan: We can choose a color that is part of one of the Blades' location or armor
 * 21:31:02: TinyClayMan: *locations
 * 21:31:10: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Elder_Scrolls_Blades_Promotional_Artwork.png
 * 21:31:14: Atvelonis: That is the other promotional image
 * 21:31:29: Atvelonis: I think that's what Amulet is referring to
 * 21:31:35: Rozty: do we have red for anything?
 * 21:31:48: Rozty: i can only think of dawnguard right now
 * 21:31:53: Nekyn Alb: I have a bigger version of that
 * 21:32:15: Nekyn Alb: http://de.elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Datei:Blades_Artwork.jpg
 * 21:32:17: Rozty: i think the red shade of the flags looks nice
 * 21:32:19: Amulet of Kings: @Atvelonis no, scroll down in https://elderscrolls.bethesda.net/en/blades
 * 21:32:26: Atvelonis: Upload as a new file
 * 21:32:32: Atvelonis: @Amulet: similar
 * 21:32:55: KINMUNE: Hello there, High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia!
 * 21:32:59: Atvelonis: Anyway I think a big part of this game will be the Arena
 * 21:33:05: Atvelonis: And judging from the screenshots, it's a bit sandy
 * 21:33:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello to you too
 * 21:33:16: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Elder_Scrolls_Blades_Promotional_Arena.jpg
 * 21:33:18: TinyClayMan: The interface is beige
 * 21:33:20: Rozty: (it also has red paint)
 * 21:33:22: Nekyn Alb: yee
 * 21:33:26: Atvelonis: Obviously there is more to the game, there are dungeons etc.
 * 21:33:32: Atvelonis: But I think some sort of beige would be a good idea
 * 21:33:37: Amulet of Kings: Fun fact, arena means sand in Spanish
 * 21:33:42: Nekyn Alb: yellowish
 * 21:33:51: Rozty: eh, not too keen on bright colours
 * 21:34:02: Rozty: bright and soft*
 * 21:34:07: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki%3ASF#Boxes
 * 21:34:09: Atvelonis: Yellow is used for legends
 * 21:34:20: Rozty: what
 * 21:34:27: Atvelonis: And sort of bloodmoon
 * 21:34:30: Rozty: i am learning all kinds of things today
 * 21:34:37: Atvelonis: Black was temp for legends
 * 21:34:41: Atvelonis: Part of the 2016 decision
 * 21:34:46: TinyClayMan: Desert sand color?
 * 21:34:52: Atvelonis: I'm pro desert sand ish
 * 21:35:05: Rozty: the colour of tribunal looks darker than it was in the articles wtf
 * 21:35:27: Rozty: and when was dawnguard dark blue?
 * 21:35:45: Rozty: how would desert sand look?
 * 21:35:50: Atvelonis: is black
 * 21:36:00: Atvelonis: Or #111111 I think
 * 21:36:03: TinyClayMan: Apricot/Desert Sand
 * 21:36:19: TinyClayMan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot_(color)
 * 21:36:23: TinyClayMan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_sand_(color)
 * 21:36:28: Atvelonis: I think apricot is a bit pinkish
 * 21:36:47: Atvelonis: Desert sand maybe
 * 21:36:54: Rozty: i still think it's a bit too soft and we would have a problem with links not appearing well
 * 21:37:04: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: http://prntscr.com/k3rolp what about this
 * 21:37:06: Amulet of Kings: I like the Desert Sand color
 * 21:37:13: Atvelonis: Links don't really go on the colors
 * 21:37:44: Atvelonis: Desert sand is #EDC9AF
 * 21:37:44: Rozty: what about the templates for quests and stuff on the bottom of the pages?
 * 21:37:45: TinyClayMan: Can we preview the template in Desert Sand?
 * 21:37:53: Atvelonis: Links don't go in the colored part
 * 21:37:58: Atvelonis: Yes hold on
 * 21:38:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: did you look at my screenshot?
 * 21:38:24: Rozty: https://gyazo.com/e7463b1f9b20b3926803c6bf85e1546d
 * 21:38:25: Atvelonis: I haven't made the blades infoboxes themselves yet
 * 21:38:34: Rozty: this is a coloured part though
 * 21:38:44: Atvelonis: Oh that
 * 21:38:51: Atvelonis: navbox
 * 21:38:53: Rozty: if we use templates like this for the game it will not be readable
 * 21:38:57: Rozty: ah yes
 * 21:39:02: Rozty: i couldn't remember it at a;;
 * 21:39:04: Rozty: all*
 * 21:40:04: Rozty: now that i know what i'm talking about, i think we should take into consideration the links on navboxes, as if the colour is too soft then it's not possible to make the words out
 * 21:40:04: Atvelonis: Hmm yes the pink is too light
 * 21:40:12: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Style_and_Formatting#Boxes
 * 21:40:27: Atvelonis: The link is actually fine, but the normal text has trouble
 * 21:40:36: Rozty: oof, that's even worse
 * 21:40:41: TinyClayMan: Dark salmon?
 * 21:40:53: TinyClayMan: Or Persian orange
 * 21:40:59: Rozty: (thinking)
 * 21:41:05: Rozty: it might not actually be abd
 * 21:41:07: Atvelonis: I'll try
 * 21:41:08: Rozty: bad*
 * 21:41:26: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: my links are a light blue color so they're not fine either
 * 21:41:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
 * 21:41:53: Rozty: heya
 * 21:42:04: Atvelonis: Salmon is pretty bright
 * 21:42:18: Atvelonis: https://i.gyazo.com/38e07569bfe2c17d02c9e3ce64ea0682.png
 * 21:42:21: Rozty: what about dark salmon
 * 21:42:33: Rozty: also why salmon
 * 21:42:41: TinyClayMan: Lion?
 * 21:42:44: Amulet of Kings: I don't identify that color with the game
 * 21:43:02: Atvelonis: https://i.gyazo.com/bfb91b31f6e422652fd7e8ff42060a00.png
 * 21:43:03: Rozty: yeah, how did we get to pink from sand
 * 21:43:05: KINMUNE: Hello there, Luna The Wolf Lover!
 * 21:43:08: Atvelonis: persian orange https://i.gyazo.com/bfb91b31f6e422652fd7e8ff42060a00.png
 * 21:43:12: Atvelonis: linked that twice oops
 * 21:43:13: Atvelonis: Hi Luna
 * 21:43:16: TinyClayMan: The games identified with the game ended with Desert Sand
 * 21:43:21: Rozty: ah, persian orange looks better
 * 21:43:24: Atvelonis: I think persian orange fits better with the game
 * 21:43:46: Rozty: we also see forest areas though
 * 21:43:59: Rozty: or are we only going on the colour theme used
 * 21:44:01: TinyClayMan: We see Skyrim*
 * 21:44:05: Atvelonis: Lion: https://i.gyazo.com/5c598834a1c27ba3601dfca985918f14.png
 * 21:44:20: Rozty: lion theme is too soft
 * 21:44:26: Atvelonis: Think I prefer persian orange
 * 21:44:27: Rozty: rip luna
 * 21:44:27: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 21:44:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: we'll never agree on a color xD
 * 21:44:37: Rozty: rip kora
 * 21:45:00: TinyClayMan: *too bad for colorblind*
 * 21:45:03: Atvelonis: What do people think about persian orange?
 * 21:45:08: Amulet of Kings: Persian orange is fine in my opinion
 * 21:45:12: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:45:13: Rozty: i like it
 * 21:45:21: Atvelonis: Alright
 * 21:45:23: Atvelonis: (+)
 * 21:45:27: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:45:29: Atvelonis: 3-0-0
 * 21:45:38: Amulet of Kings: (+)
 * 21:45:40: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+) eh it's fine ig
 * 21:45:45: Atvelonis: 5-0-0
 * 21:45:48: Atvelonis: Nekyn?
 * 21:46:06: Atvelonis: Proposal is persian orange for blades infoboxes: https://i.gyazo.com/bfb91b31f6e422652fd7e8ff42060a00.png
 * 21:46:21: Nekyn Alb: (-)
 * 21:46:24: Nekyn Alb: I like Lion more
 * 21:46:52: Atvelonis: 5-0-1
 * 21:46:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: eew no lion looks all faded and gross
 * 21:47:07: Atvelonis: We can always change it later if we feel that it hasn't worked out
 * 21:47:21: Atvelonis: For now we will go with persian orange
 * 21:47:54: Nekyn Alb: I feel persian orange is too crass
 * 21:47:56: TinyClayMan: I think that my eyes will bleed after seeing that big bright orange infobox but for now I think it's ok
 * 21:47:58: Nekyn Alb: Mark my words!
 * 21:48:17: Rozty: lol
 * 21:49:04: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: next topic!
 * 21:49:09: Rozty: do we have any other topics?
 * 21:49:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Atve had one more?
 * 21:49:19: TinyClayMan: Yes, Atv's topic
 * 21:49:49: TinyClayMan: *I can suggest two more topics if you want*
 * 21:49:58: Amulet of Kings: And I have a squeaker topic too
 * 21:50:04: TinyClayMan: *The night was young and everything*
 * 21:50:22: Rozty: *why do you have so many topics*
 * 21:50:45: Atvelonis: Hold on one second
 * 21:50:45: TinyClayMan: *my imagination dam had a breach*
 * 21:50:47: Rozty: i had one too but i better leave it for next month
 * 21:52:57: Atvelonis: Ok I have one more topic
 * 21:53:27: KINMUNE: Hello there, Pastel Elmo!
 * 21:53:29: Atvelonis: hi
 * 21:53:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
 * 21:53:52: Rozty: hello there
 * 21:54:07: TinyClayMan: Greetings
 * 21:54:49: Amulet of Kings: He is new to the wiki
 * 21:55:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: rip
 * 21:55:11: Amulet of Kings: We will remember him as a useful user
 * 21:55:17: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD
 * 21:55:40: Rozty: he contributed a lot
 * 21:55:43: Atvelonis: So a while back Wikia began putting these so-called "featured videos" on the tops of some of our articles. You have probably seen them, they take up half the screen and autoplay the video which is extremely annoying. The biggest problem with these videos is that they are often factually inaccurate and sometimes contain modded footage, because Wikia did not send us the scripts beforehand to review. Anyway, while we can't get rid of these videos entirely (because they are part of the Wiki Modernization process, and we have no control over Wikia's commercial needs), what we can do is at least warn users about the videos' possibly being misleading.
 * 21:55:47: Atvelonis: List of videos, for reference: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Atvelonis/Sandbox#Wikia_videos
 * 21:56:24: Rozty: like with a template?
 * 21:56:26: Atvelonis: I would like to propose the creation of a notice template that goes on articles with these videos saying something like "The video at the top of the page is a product of Wikia, not The Elder Scrolls Wiki, and may not reflect the most accurate explanation of the topic."
 * 21:56:41: Atvelonis: Perhaps not worded that exact way, but with that general meaning
 * 21:56:44: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+) (+) (+) (+) (+) omg yes
 * 21:56:48: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:56:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I hate those videos
 * 21:57:00: Atvelonis: I think this will also be helpful because it will allow us to track where the videos are through Special:WhatLinksHere
 * 21:57:19: TinyClayMan: *not reflect the most accurate*
 * 21:57:34: Rozty: if we begin to review scripts (which we should after right?) will we still have the template there?
 * 21:57:59: Atvelonis: We can work out the exact wording later, but I plan on making it rather strongly worded (because they are a bad source of information and discourage people from looking through the source material themselves via references)
 * 21:58:15: Atvelonis: Yes I think the template should still be there because they will still be a creation of Wikia's
 * 21:58:29: TinyClayMan: (+)
 * 21:58:32: Rozty: i see
 * 21:58:34: Atvelonis: As much as we can do to salvage their videos, it's really impossible to be super accurate within only a couple minutes
 * 21:58:40: Atvelonis: Even if we made our own, you have to dumb down stuff
 * 21:58:46: Rozty: yeah tbh i don't see anything wrong with that
 * 21:58:48: Atvelonis: That's why text is a better medium for learning things like this
 * 21:58:56: Atvelonis: (+) as nominator
 * 21:59:00: Rozty: (+)
 * 21:59:03: Atvelonis: 5-0-0
 * 21:59:20: Atvelonis: Nekyn? Amulet?
 * 21:59:21: Amulet of Kings: (+) for all non present members
 * 21:59:27: Atvelonis: 6-0-0
 * 21:59:28: Rozty: oh lol did the previous count as well?
 * 21:59:35: Rozty: you counted me twice
 * 21:59:36: TinyClayMan: 5-0-0*
 * 21:59:42: Atvelonis: Oops
 * 21:59:44: Nekyn Alb: (+)
 * 21:59:44: Atvelonis: You're right, 5-0-0
 * 21:59:50: Atvelonis: 6-0-0 with nekyn
 * 22:01:07: Atvelonis: That's all I have
 * 22:01:09: Atvelonis: Any other topics?
 * 22:01:14: TinyClayMan: Amulet?
 * 22:01:17: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Amulet of Kings your topic
 * 22:01:26: Amulet of Kings: Yes
 * 22:01:30: Rozty: o
 * 22:02:22: Amulet of Kings: I want to propose to include video guides for quest pages. As we have just discussed, we haven't had a good experience with videos in the wiki, but they are a popular media that could attract people.
 * 22:02:50: Rozty: who would make them though?
 * 22:03:06: TinyClayMan: Who would make them right*
 * 22:03:10: Rozty: the ones that i've seen people trying to add are always ads for their channels
 * 22:03:20: Rozty: it
 * 22:03:27: Amulet of Kings: The idea is to make a step by step walkthrough of quests. Sometimes we get stuck on a certain quest, and despite the wiki already has walkthroughs for quests, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Videos should be very concise, bodies and chests shouldn't be looted unless the quest requires it, etc.

Another minor requirement could be that the character's name should be the hero's name, i.e. Dragonborn for Skyrim, Hero of Kvatch for Oblivion and so on. The character's name doesn't have a relevant impact on modern games, but it is displayed a few times in Arena and Daggerfall. 1) We don't have the resources to make and edit high-quality video walkthroughs for all quests, or even a few quests 2) A video walkthrough would only show one playstyle, whereas with screenshots we are not bound by that limitation (as playstyles are not shown). So it would sort of bias our walkthrough a particular way, even when it can be done in several ways. Keep in mind that enough means "400-500 hundreds" to fill at least some section of one of the games
 * 22:03:36: Rozty: it's not something you would want to watch out of context
 * 22:04:07: Rozty: just video, no commentary?
 * 22:04:25: TinyClayMan: Yes, only game sounds
 * 22:04:27: Atvelonis: I think there are a few issues with videos:
 * 22:04:36: Amulet of Kings: Does anybody in the wiki have a sexy voice?
 * 22:04:42: TinyClayMan: Lol
 * 22:04:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD
 * 22:04:47: Atvelonis: Haven't heard anyone's voice
 * 22:04:50: Atvelonis: We never use VC in Discord
 * 22:04:51: TinyClayMan: That's some product placement
 * 22:04:51: Rozty: not me
 * 22:04:53: Atvelonis: Maybe we should :P
 * 22:04:57: Rozty: maybe
 * 22:05:10: Atvelonis: What I WOULD be okay with is creating a youtube channel for the wiki and posting the videos on there, but I'm very anti-video for articles
 * 22:05:12: TinyClayMan: *Heavy breathing during the whole video*
 * 22:05:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I could never do a video, I'm a hoarder so I loot literally everything that isn't bolted to the floor
 * 22:05:22: Atvelonis: I think we can express the same things with text and a few images accompanying
 * 22:05:42: Rozty: anyway, the problem with videos is that they always include a form of advertisement for the channel
 * 22:05:47: Amulet of Kings: Aramithius has a friendly voice XD
 * 22:05:53: Atvelonis: Aramithius does have a good voice
 * 22:06:14: Atvelonis: He has a British accent too which Americans are in love with
 * 22:06:42: Amulet of Kings: Videos should be a properti of the wiki, not a mean to advertise a channel
 * 22:06:51: TinyClayMan: Although I support a no-video position, the idea of silent and quest-centered quests is okay. The problem is, who would agree to make a few hundreds of videos
 * 22:06:55: Rozty: aramithius to make every video walktrhough on the wiki with bonus lore trivia
 * 22:07:07: Amulet of Kings: They should have intros/outros
 * 22:07:15: TinyClayMan: Oh no
 * 22:07:19: Rozty: eh, not a fan of that
 * 22:07:29: TinyClayMan: 5 sec intro for wiki's logo
 * 22:07:30: Amulet of Kings: We could start with Skyrim main questline
 * 22:07:55: Rozty: the problem still is who would bother with it
 * 22:08:03: TinyClayMan: The answer is noone
 * 22:08:06: Rozty: it's not like anyone can do that
 * 22:08:12: Amulet of Kings: carlov3r told me he has a bit of video editing experience
 * 22:08:15: Atvelonis: iirc this has been attempted in the past, but it never got off the ground because we really don't have the resources for it
 * 22:08:18: TinyClayMan: Noone beside those amateur playthrough youtubers
 * 22:08:26: Atvelonis: Carlo has the experience but I'm not sure he has enough time
 * 22:08:41: Rozty: oof, that's why i'm against videos
 * 22:08:51: Amulet of Kings: He messaged me when I posted the topic and he liked the idea
 * 22:08:58: Rozty: you can never find someone good enough other than kids on outube
 * 22:09:49: TinyClayMan: This suggestion cannot be implemented. It would take a tremendous amount of time to do it
 * 22:10:50: Amulet of Kings: I proposed the topic beacuse I'm going to play TES Travels games soon, and I could record a guide for the games.
 * 22:10:52: Rozty: but in case someone is found, i think it may be good to have it in mind
 * 22:11:01: Atvelonis: I think if the wiki were much more active this might be possible, but as it stands right now, I think the main reason I would not support this is that we lack the manpower to do more than a couple videos.
 * 22:11:38: Atvelonis: You can definitely record videos for that, and maybe we can post it on a YouTube channel for the wiki (probably the one attached to the wiki email), but I don't think I want video content on articles
 * 22:12:03: Atvelonis: If we did it for a few we would have to do it for all of them, and that's not really practical :/
 * 22:12:22: Rozty: maybe it would be better to hold it off for now?
 * 22:12:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 22:12:26: Amulet of Kings: Can't they be included in a gallery?
 * 22:12:26: TinyClayMan: Thousand of videos
 * 22:12:35: TinyClayMan: At least
 * 22:12:51: Rozty: simply because if they are done they would only be a couple or so videos for a long time
 * 22:12:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 22:12:56: Rozty: and they would stand out
 * 22:13:01: Atvelonis: They could be uploaded and put in a gallery but we can't be inconsistent and have only a couple videos
 * 22:13:27: Amulet of Kings: Does the wiki channel have any videos?
 * 22:13:34: Atvelonis: No
 * 22:13:38: TinyClayMan: Is there a channel?
 * 22:13:43: Atvelonis: Theoretically
 * 22:13:57: Atvelonis: We have an email for the wiki which I have access to, but I haven't set up the YouTube part of it yet
 * 22:14:03: Atvelonis: google account
 * 22:14:14: Rozty: for start we can just upload some on the channel tbh and when enough gather we start adding them to the wiki
 * 22:14:18: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh yeh but it does exist
 * 22:14:28: Amulet of Kings: Well, I'll see if I can record a guide and I'll show my results for the next moot then
 * 22:14:35: Rozty: they just have to be consistent
 * 22:14:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: because google is evil and has to link everything
 * 22:14:51: Atvelonis: I think an upheaval of the video policy is more CT territory honestly
 * 22:14:57: TinyClayMan: >and when enough gather
 * 22:15:13: TinyClayMan: Oh wait
 * 22:15:19: TinyClayMan: Without "hundreds"
 * 22:15:34: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: also you would have to make different version for different choices
 * 22:15:48: Rozty: yeah, there have to be at least a hundred just for the main quests i think
 * 22:15:58: TinyClayMan: That can be edited into one video
 * 22:16:01: TinyClayMan: But yeah
 * 22:16:07: Atvelonis: Would be very hard for ESO
 * 22:16:10: Rozty: you can edit all choices together yeah
 * 22:16:12: Atvelonis: You would need multiple characters
 * 22:16:16: Atvelonis: For the old games you can load a save
 * 22:16:18: Rozty: mm
 * 22:16:19: Atvelonis: But ESO is bleh
 * 22:16:40: Amulet of Kings: You can restart quests in ESO
 * 22:16:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ugh I hate those videos where they play one choice and then it jumps back into the beginning and they do another choice
 * 22:17:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: would be better as separate videos
 * 22:17:14: TinyClayMan: /Forgot about that option, maybe should try it
 * 22:17:22: Rozty: those videos are just shitty
 * 22:17:46: Rozty: if it's structured correctly it can fit perfectly in one video
 * 22:17:49: Atvelonis: Things like dialogue trees would be impractical to implement in a video
 * 22:18:01: Atvelonis: Especially in long conversations, you would have to do too many cuts to fit all of the choices in
 * 22:18:09: Atvelonis: Would be very difficult to do it I think
 * 22:18:09: Rozty: that's true
 * 22:18:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: this guy that does Fallout videos does it
 * 22:18:26: Rozty: (let's just exclude eso)
 * 22:18:27: TinyClayMan: I think we sorted everything out to make a vote, we already started to discuss the contents of the video
 * 22:18:37: Amulet of Kings: We don't need to vote
 * 22:18:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
 * 22:18:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so the moot is over?
 * 22:18:51: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: anymore topics?
 * 22:18:53: Atvelonis: I don't have any other topics
 * 22:19:10: TinyClayMan: I can present two more topics or save them for another moot
 * 22:19:18: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what are they?
 * 22:19:19: Atvelonis: You're only supposed to present 3 per moot haha
 * 22:19:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
 * 22:19:32: TinyClayMan: Heh
 * 22:19:32: Rozty: oof so many topics
 * 22:20:02: Atvelonis: So are there any other topics?
 * 22:20:02: Rozty: would talking about dialogue formatting be considered a moot topic?
 * 22:20:05: TinyClayMan: One is about characters' section format, another is for bot to do
 * 22:20:07: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but I think that 2-3 thing was when we were having them weekly, I think more should be allowed now
 * 22:20:11: Atvelonis: Yes but that's Jauffre's and he's not here
 * 22:20:21: Atvelonis: @Fin: it was to prevent it from going on too long
 * 22:20:23: Rozty: mine was more about eso
 * 22:20:26: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oki
 * 22:20:33: Atvelonis: I think dialogue should go on a CT anyway. It's not easy to talk about live
 * 22:20:54: Rozty: more about consistency, but honestly i think i'll leave it for next month
 * 22:20:59: Atvelonis: @TinyClayMan: if you have a bot task you can just add it to User:Atvelonis/Bot
 * 22:21:08: Atvelonis: I am currently working on the eso quest gold reward stuff though
 * 22:21:15: Rozty: because of headers that i see are inconsistent in eso
 * 22:21:16: TinyClayMan: That is still something to be discussed
 * 22:21:50: Atvelonis: If there are no more topics to discuss today, then I declare this moot over! Now shoo, get back to editing