Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4290456-20140319121732/@comment-24075086-20150416071307

DeletedContent wrote: Phantasys wrote: During my first playthrough I was part of the legion, during most of the campaign my respect got lower and lower with each and every mission as I had to hear General Tullius gripe about "you damn nords and your honor", at the end of the battle for Windhelm General Dumbass finally said something that made me snap: "Wherever you people go after you die?" All this time in Skyrim, with the province that he is supposed to govern and protect...and he couldn't be fucking bothered to learn a smidge about the culture? It didn't matter that I lost about 3 levels I went straight back to the earliest save I could and gave the crown staight to Ulfric. A jerk Tullius may be, but Ulfric is even worse. He is a hypocritical, lazy, racist, egotistic, greedbag who uses his charisma to gain power for himself. Though the Stormcloak cause is somewhat honorable, their leader is not. Best ending for me: kill ulfric, hijack his rebelion, then create a treaty with the Imperials, that will allow us to both work together and prepare for the final battle with the Thamlmor. After that Skyrim becomes an independant nation, keeps a close bond with the Empire, and helps them to restabalize a war-torn Tamriel. Done. End of story (though it would be a bit difficult, since I almost ALWAYS play as an orc)

Ulfric is literally NONE of those things. Hypocritical? Example? Lazy? Example? Racist? The dark elves are refugees, not citizens, the dunmer do not recognise the authority of Skyrim due to their refugee status and therefore are not eligible for state maintainance of their living space. The dunmer despite living on the charity of the nords are ungrateful and view humans as animals as evidenced in the book "Dunmer of Skyrim". The argonians and dunmer keep trying to kill each other due to their history, and as such the smaller group had to go. Egotistic? No. Ulfric does everything he does for the betterment of his people.

Treaty with the imperials? Are you daft? The imperials will go back on any treaty when it suits them. An agreement with an imperial is worth less than a fart and any person with 2 brain-cells to rub together would prepare for the inevitable dagger in the back from them.

The battle with the thalmor isn't just political and physical but theological as well. TALOS is an oversoul that includes Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar, aka the god of man, and protector of creation. The empire NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED as it's now doing the opposite of what it was originally meant to. Alessia created the imperial pantheon by taking most of the nordic one and putting in Auriel in an altered form to placate her elven supporters. But she also knew the potential calamity worship of the god of time could do, so she wove the persona of Akatosh. While being the god of time, Alessia wrote his personality as one of kindness and preservation instead of destruction he embodied as Auriel or Alduin (elves viewed the destruction of the world as a good thing), using the amulet of kings as a catalyst to essentially trap the god of destruction (Auriel/Alduin/Akatosh) inside the heart of lorkhan (the empire's symbol is a dragon inside a diamond [aka heart of lorkhan] for a reason). So worship of Akatosh strengthened the fake persona of kindness and preservation (also the cage around the dragon).

The nordic return to their original gods is what Tamriel NEEDS as the OG human gods are the ones who would preserve the world. Elven influences need to be completely eradicated for the wheel of convention to be secure.