User blog comment:Harold Burned-Mane/The Truth about Ulfric Stormcloak/@comment-5700881-20131108114507/@comment-17114085-20131120141402

How he worded it? Read his quote, it shows how he worded it. Through his wording its clear as day that the Thalmor had been kidnapping/torturing/murdering people BEFORE the Civil War started. That is fact. I have admited Ulfric stiring things up made it worse, i'm not denying that, its fact.

PS.: I'm pretty sure it was Igmund himself who promissed Ulfric free Talos Worship, i believe Igmund's father was killed when the Forsworn took over Markarth back in the Great War.

Torygg had plenty of time to choose to side with Ulfric, the Markarth Incident was 20 years before his death. Also Ulfric had a point with his quote: "How can he be trusted to protect Skyrim if he can't even protect himself". What you need to understand is that the Nords are a warrior race, that means the strongest rule, its just like in our Medieval Era. Also very soon the 2nd Great War is going to start and Skyrim needs a strong ruler to help them against the AD. Though i do have my doubts about Ulfric's political prowess, i believe he will be alright.

I think you're not understanding what the Civil War is all about its not about Religious Freedom, its about Political Freedom(religious freedom is included). The Nords want to rule themselfs as the Empire's surrender to the AD made them feel like the Empire is unworthy to lead/rule them. And before you bring up the "The Empire had to surrender" card i'll stop you and say NO IT DIDN'T. Read about the Great War, it clearly states that the WHOLE army that was in Cyrodiil(the Biggest amry in Elven History) was destroyed in the battle of the Red Ring. That was most of the AD's forces, so there was no need to surrender, they could have negotiated for better terms. But Titus is a wuss so he surrendered after he won the battle.

Last time i checked the Nords were descendents from Atmorans while the Imperials were descendets from the Nedes, Two diferent races not one and the same(i could be wrong but i'm pretty sure i'm not). Also it doesn't matter if the Reachmen are or are not descendets from the original Nords who inhabited the Reach, because my point is that the Nords were there first. And furthermore the Nords have controled the Reach for the past 700 years, the reachmen don't controle it anymore, end of story. Now i have agreed with you that the reachmen in Markarth are treated badly but us argueing pointlessly about it won't change anything.

You say Muiri is descendent from Reachmen because of her name right? Well she was living in Windhelm, probably her whole life, this means that her parents(who you say are Reachmen) moved to Windhelm, or maybe her family has been there for generations who knows. My point is that she was friends with a noble family, this means that Nords and Reachmen in Windhelm live together in harmony, or atleast her family does(as we don't know of any other Reachmen living there). So to close this paragraph off i'll say this: this probably means that the Reachmen are treated as normal citizens in, atleast, some of the other Holds of Skyrim.

About the Divines, they don't have the same amount of power as the Daedra do, they can't manefest themselfs(only in extreme circumstances), they can;t talk to the mortals or interfere directly in their lives like the Daedra do. They can't just interve and fix everything all the time. Though there is evidence of them doing so, remember the Dragon Wars, it was Kyne(Kynareth) who told Parthunax to teach the Nords the Voice(thu'um). If it wasn't for her the Nords would still be enslaved by the Dragons. Also Akatosh couldn't manefest himself in the mortal world by himself, it took Martins sacrifice(as he has dragonblood) and the amulet of Kings(because it has the blood of Akatosh inside) for him to be able to make Martin his Avatar.

Talos has manefested himself, part of the armor of the Divines is his, his blood is considered Divine, etc. He is real, when he assended he took the mantel of Shor/Lorkhan(because of the whole Numidium thing, and because of his feats). Also the fact that many Nords are super upset at the Talos ban is because Talos has been a part of their culture for the past 600 something years. Almost all Nords worship him, he is the God of War, they are a warrior race, he is the god of mankind, they are humans, he is the god of the Empire, they have been part of the Empire of the past 700 years(wonce again its part of their culture by now, which explains why so many are against independece), etc.

Ulfric and some other Nords couldn't accept the fact that they can't wake up and go to the Temple of talos to pray, as they have been doing for the past 600 years, to them hidding Talos Worship is heredical. To them Worshipping Talos should be something a Nord is proud of, they don't want some Elf telling them who they can or can't worship. If that seems like something stupid to you then ok, but to me it is taking away a freedom they have had for hundreds of generations. Imagine if the Dunmer were forbiden from worshipping the Tribunal, or form Ancestral Worship, they would flip out, becasue it has been a part of their culture since they were Chimer.

PS.:Also the Andrew Ryan thing doesn't work, remember how Rapture turned out? It didn't end very well did it? Anarchy isn't some humanity is ready for, some one needs to be in charge to keep order. That is how life is.

Talos guie you.