Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-95.94.124.138-20130922100323/@comment-1470368-20140717121030

Dovahsebrom wrote: Ifnsman wrote: Do you even have proof of the Dragonborn being an avatar of Talos? (or for that matter, being Shezarrine?) Nope, you don't. :/  (The Dragonborn isn't even listed)

On the former point, just by being Lorkhan's Nordic "aspect", Shor is Lorkhan. Shor is also "missing" from his realm, if you recall. Just the same as Lorkhan is missing, only to have the 3 of the Talos Oversoul mantle ("usurp") his position. 'Do you even have proof of the Dragonborn being an avatar of Talos? (or for that matter, being Shezarrine?) Nope, you don't. :/  (The Dragonborn isn't even listed)'

The Greybeards name the Dovahkiin Ysmir, a name/title that throughout the entirety of history has only been given to Shezarrines, most notably the ones connected to Wulfharth and by extension Talos. The name Ysmir alone is listed as one of Lorkhan's avatars in

The Greybeards name you Stormcrown which in Elhnofex is spelt "TALOS", that is a pretty straight forward connection right there.

You are able to comprehend the Dragon Break at the Throat of the World, something that Shezarrines are known to be able to do.

Just about every Dragonborn who could adeptly use the Thu'um were Shezarrines (yes Reman and Miraak can both be connected to Lorkhan).

'On the former point, just by being Lorkhan's Nordic "aspect", Shor is Lorkhan. Shor is also "missing" from his realm, if you recall. Just the same as Lorkhan is missing, only to have the 3 of the Talos Oversoul mantle ("usurp") his position.'

Shor is Lorkhan, but they are seperate entities. Talos mantling Lorkhan would not mean he mantled Shor, Shor is still Shor.

What does Shor being missing have to do with anything? All the Hero's of Sovngarde speak of Shor not Talos. The reason why Shor is gone is not really explained, some people like to think that this is more proof the Dovahkiin is a Shezarrine (implying the Dovahkiin is Shor), however this is kind of contradicted by the Five Songs which have Shor working along side Wulfharth.

The Greybeards naming the Dovahkiin "Ysmir" is not proof enough, I'm sorry. Not only would Ysmir most likely be the title of another individual entirely, it is just a title granted to the player character. The Dragonborn is just a Champion of the Aedra, not a Shezarrine.

Same thing with giving the character the Stormcrown title. He/She is still not the same Talos, nor is there any previous connection. Even without this, it should be pretty obvious that the Last Dragonborn (more accurate title) is neither Talos/Tiber Septim the man nor Talos the god.

Since both Reman & Miraak are not on the list, they're not Shezarrines (and neither has MK confirmed them). The Shezarrine list was also released at least a year before Skyrim released (or even longer ago).

Don't know why you bothered to deny that Shor is Lorkhan, now that you're agreeing, since it's technically true.

In the mortal perspective, they are separate entities. This does not mean they really are. Lorkhan could easily have been acting through Shor (and thus Talos can now act as both since he Mantles them).

The Heroes of Sovngarde speak of Shor because they're long dead. Shor is the God in Sovngarde that they recognized in life & in death (and thus their name for the Missing God otherwise known as "Lorkhan" by the Mer), not a relatively new god created by a collection of three individuals

The reason why Shor is gone is not really explained in Skyrim. Play TESIII: Morrowind for a clear explanation on why Lorkhan is missing.