Talk:Dark Brotherhood (Oblivion)/Archive 1

Favorite Quest Line
This is by far my favorite quest sequence of all.

It was a bit sad though when I killed the Draconis family - they seemed like nice people. It was easy to kill the prisoner as he was a pain, but the Draconis family? It was hard to know why they deserved it. But ours is not to wonder why, but do and make 'em die :^)

It was also sort of sad after killing all the guildhall members. No more comradery every time I stopped by, no more waking up the sleeping spell guy who didn't like me, just to make him wake up. The upside is that it gave me a secure home I can use to stash stuff without worrying about it.


 * Uh, I hate to say this...but.. The dark brotherhood isn't supposed to be warm and fuzzy and friendly. The only thing that disapointed me is that I had to kill everyone and couldn't just expose the traitor. Cause if you talked to them when you were on the mission to kill the guild hall members... Everyone talked normally except for that merchant guy. He went from "foul smelling ape" to "it is good to see you again". Complete 180. --ShakataGaNai 13:16, 10 April 2006 (CDT)


 * When you finish the quest line, you find out he isn't the traitor. =c) Although I thought the same thing, too, when I had to kill everybody. Would've been nice just to kill him and be done with it. The assassins are by far the nicest people in the game. And Lucien > Arquen. -- Montag 09:50, 13 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Um... no. The spy was from Cheydinhal Sanctuary, so the main traitor was not the spy.


 * Ah, I see what you mean. You're right.


 * Theres a great mod called "Whispered Warning" which allows you to whisper to the members of the Dark Brotherhood and give them a chance to escape. After leaving and coming back two days later, you will find NPCs who have been dressed in your brothers clothing laying dead across the hideout. After you have secured a higher rank in the Dark Brotherhood, your friends will return, reunited again! The best part is, you can kill the brothers you do not like, and only save those you do. --69.231.145.131 20:51, 7 January 2007 (CST)
 * If the Cheydinhal Brotherhood didn't police it's own enough to find and remove the spy before Lucien had to step in, they deserved death. --Secondtalon 16:27 GMT 7 March 2007

I think you're all forgetting the most important fact. Shadowmere.


 * My main beef with the Brotherhood is that on the loading screens it says "The Cheydinhal Sanctuary is just one of many Dark Brotherhood hideouts all across Cyrodiil" and yet we never see these other hideouts.... - Fyren Myr
 * Actually, there's only one in Cyrodiil. As far as I remember, it states "The Cheydinhal Sanctuary is just one of many Dark Brotherhood hideouts all across Tamriel". Not Cyrodiil. Legoless (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's Cyrodiil.
 * No it says The Cheydinhal Sanctuary is but one of many secret Dark Brotherhood s safe havens spread across THE IMPERIAL PROVINCE!!!!

To me, it seemsed kind of sad that Lucien Lachance had to die like that, and the Night Mother was just like I didn't want to butt in.

Motives
I would be cool to post why do we think peoples=d wanted killed the victims.


 * Captain Tussaud was probably wanted dead by alot of people, law abiding citizens. I bet though that the captain of the Imperial Watch put in the order, because he couldn't finish the job himself.
 * Baenlin's death was most likely ordered by either a poor person who was jealous of Baenlin's good standing... but more likely is it was ordered by his servant who was fed up with him.
 * Both observations are wrong. Firstly because if you go back to the house he is replaced by his nephew, caenlin or the like. Secondly because the guard can be found drunk and sobbing in Olav's after the quest is over.--Kirbsys 04:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Baenlin's death wasnt ordered by a jealous poor person, he was murdered by his son or nephew or whoever he is, that resides in Baenlin's house after his death. This was done so he (nephew) could inherhit his fortune upon his death. You see? and even after, when talk to this young man, he seems quite uneased by the topic of converstation. ~Cherryface 10/18/2011
 * Valen Dreth needed to never be released, but his term was up nonetheless. Having been in prison for so long he knew too much about the place, and its inhabitants and was therefore a liability. A liability that the Imperial Watch could not afford to have around, and of course since he was a law abiding citizen upon release they could not complete the job themselves.
 * That explains why they try to kill you when they see you...--Kantor 16:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Faelian is wanted dead for obvious reasons... he is a burden on society and on his wife

Tussuad-Someone he ripped off or a crew member looking for rapid advancement. Baenlin-His nephew gets everything so he would want him dead. Valen Dreth-A member of the legion who couldn't personally kill him but did not want him released due to how dangerous he is. That would explain why your allowed to be seen but not to kill anyone. Faelian-Someone who knew Lorkmir. Roderick-Someone who is band of marauders attacked or one of his followers either out of mercy of a way of taking his place. Everyone in whodunnit-It tells you who. Celedean-jealous necro or the mages guild or a scared civilian Draconis family-Daddy Draconis? Someone arrested by caelia taking revenge too far? The rest-Mathieu Bellamont Theres my theories with thanks to this site for telling me who the targets are :)82.26.72.222 22:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

your wrong about the last ones, because if you have killd the guy by the lucky old lady lachance appears and said that your contracts are replaced and now telling you to kill the black hand. so after the guildhall-massacre you are killing the black hand. this is because the guy from the black hand how is replacing your contracts have lost his mother to the black hand. this mean that even gaurd captain caelia draconis is a member of the dark brotherhood. hollymarkie

actually your contracts are replaced after the mission tht the draconis family is killed you can tell by the way the orders look in the menu they are different writing and the icon for them looks different

quitting the dark brother hood.
IS it possible to quit the dark brother hood?
 * No, it isn't possible to "quit" any of the joinable factions, though you could simulate it by ignoring their quest-lines. If you want to be kicked-out, you have to break one of their rules (multiple times as the case may be), such as stealing from or murdering another guild member. Hellhound43 20:43, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Exactly what Hellhound said, but there's no real advantage to this. --Kantor 03:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

What if you want to be a good boy. (Chasieray 20:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC))

Why would you want to? RogierWV (talk) 07:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

you could avoid joining the dark brother hood by killing lachance the first time he talks to you. then you could also get rid of that pesky knife he gives you. when you kill him there is no way to finish the quest so there for the dagger is no longer essential.

another section
I added a section on guild expulsion from the brotherhood, as every other guild page has it except this one. - Fyren Myr

frusturating things
I found it frusturating that you can't testify in lahance's defense and warn the blackhand that the traitor is still around. Even though he was dead, it's annoying that you can't say the wrong man was killed.

You aren't given the opportunity because if pressed, your only support of that statement would be "I know who the actual traitor is". Which you don't. The journal entry says something along the lines of 'I'll have to wait and see who the traitor is.' Which you do. I don't think it's frustrating at all. Haravin 17:37, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

You do know who it is. If you take Bellamonts mother's head and drop it he acts strangely confirming he knows about the head. That means he has to be the traitor. Draquuis 01:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Wrath of Sithis
I thought the Wrath of Sithis possessed something called either dagger/blade of obedience. - Oblivion MasterTalk
 * No. Shadownet Ninja 02:07, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Dagger of Discipline I believe. Maybe its just in the 360 version.

When I was trying to defeat the Wrath of Sithis on the Waterfront I all of a sudden lost him and I don't know how to regain access to the Dark Brotherhood because he won't come back, help!

Tips for Joining
I just created a new character and found it quite hard to find a suitable target for joining. In the end I killed an imperial legion solider in the middle of nowhere and fast traveled to imperial city waterfront to try to join the Thieves guild and get rid of my 1.5k bounty for half off (I only had around 750+ gold). During the Thieves guild quest I ran through about 5 to six guards slashing me or shooting arrows at me. Then I got back to the garden after midnight and had to swim across the lake to find a spot to wait. I came back after waiting and got to join the thieves guild, then I slept in the abbandoned house and joined the Dark Brotherhood. My whole point of this rambling, is for people who have never joined the Dark brotherhood before (on any character) and wish to make it thier first priotity. Can someone add to the page a few good places to murder? Maybe an in or an easy lock house in a town to an unimportant person. I don't want someone who's never foudn a good place to murder to have to try killing a guard like I did. - Lnk2128

Beggars often stand in out of the way places, just turn down the difficulty, make sure no one can see you, pull out your bow, and let fly.--Kirbsys 04:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It might have been a glitch but I just played normally, defended myself when someone came near, they died, and I unlocked the DB. EuSou 13:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just started Oblivion, and i dont even know who i killed. I dont even remember killing anyone innocent, and the Dark Brotherhood guy still offered me a chance to join. Any ideas? 65.24.106.106 22:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I killed somebody (a maid) in the Bruma Castle. Not a good idea. Luckily, the guards only saw me assault her, so my bounty was only 120. I resisted arrest and ran to the mages guild, where the guards were killed. I went to the Arena, got some gold, paid off my bounty and started the DB. A simpler idea would just be to do what my brother did- go to Imperial City, into an unlocked house, get the occupant on the stairs (at night) or if they are sleeping, all the better. Block their path down and wildly attack with melee until they die. Proceed to loot their house and make sure no guards see you when you come out. --218.186.11.4 02:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Added my idea to the main page. --218.186.11.4 03:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC) [Now --Kantor 16:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)]

Hey guys I found out a way to join in the dark brotherhood without getting into trouble, just go to the arena, and do the origin of the gray prince, when you're done go back, and join the arena, keep fighting untill you can challenge the gray prince, and when you manage to kill him you get a message that your acts have been observed by the dark forces, anyway the great thing about this way is that you get to join the brotherhood without getting a bounty on your head! The easiest way to finish the arena fights quickly at a low level is to change your difficulty level to the lowest. Enjoy :D Adham

The archer in Pells Gate doesn't give a bounty when killed as long as no-one sees the initial attack you dont even need to one hit her as she doesn't call the guards. Also at higher levels she carries good light armour weapons and arrows. If your lucky you might get arrows of cleansing which do 40 fire dmg for 2 secs over 10 yards.Draquuis 01:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

How about considering a subtle approach, instead of wanton slaughter and uncannily unstealthy butchery?

I always go to Bravil, to the statue of the lucky old lady or a bit down the road from the stables and wait for a random passerby. Stealth and shoot, no bounty. This way you are also near to an inn, to sleep and get the first quest, and you are in the town that is nearest to Rufio. 80.200.9.89 22:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

If you're good with a lockpick, the best place I've found is the Skooma Den of Bravil. At around midnight, they all go to sleep (at the same time) and one of them is downstairs, completely out of view of the others. A single close-range stealth attack with even a decent shortsword or longsword will generally kill them, and you get a good haul of Skooma too (which helps when you kill Faenlin), in fact I got 15 bottles one time. -This message by Spriggs077, a.k.a. Awesome Faic!  06:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I find killing Alessia Ottus to be a rather satisfying way to join the Dark Brotherhood, you can easily use a sneak attack to kill her in her home while her husband and daughter wander about town. Great Mara (talk) 07:23, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

glitch
I used my dark brotherhood murderer in the Defense for Bruma quest and now he won't respawn and I cannot use any of the others because they say I still have one following me. Is it possible that he could be wandering the outskirts of Bruma?

That is very unlikely that he will just be wandering.Look for his body and if he is still dead just keep waiting 24 hours until he snaps out of it.--Chasieray 22:02, 28 May 2008

other sanctuary
if you join the dark brotherhood lucien says that chydenhall sanctury is 1 of the many in cyrodill doe he meen the castle next to chydenhall or is there really an other place where there are assasins? i've looked for it evrywhere but i didn't found it

you can't find the others don't know way but it won't let you find them.
 * They don't exist in the game; don't bother trying unless you have a mod. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 23:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello, umm I'm not sure if this is a DB sanctuary and I know you can't go in but.... at the waterfront in imperial city there's a boarded up house and it looks like the one in Cheydinhal so maybe that's one?

Question about Glenroy
An anon user placed a comment about killing Glenroy, one of the Emperor's guards, to initiate the Dark Brotherhood quest line (see here). Is the suggestion viable, meaning does it count as a murder but not trigger bounty? That'd be an easy entry into the DB if that's the case. -- theSpectator talk 00:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it happened to me. So yes, it's safe. (And it was TOTALLY accidental <.<;;) -Herlock 12:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)Herlock

hero or no hero the darkbrotherhood is bad for your fame!
hi guys since none of you mentioned it i would like to say that if you are trying to become fames then dont join the dark brother hood.also there is a LOT of booty in the dark brother hood sanctury just dont get caught! also there is NO other sanctury in cyrodell.

The Easiest Way to Join
Go to Anvil and start the quest "The Siren's Deception." Go all the way to the last bit. When you're done talking to Faustina Cartia in the farm, kill her before she has a chance to fight back. You won't get a bounty and the quest is finished normally. Sleep in the bed in the farm and you will join the Dark Brotherhood.

I'll usually go straight to Vindasel as soon as i leave the sewers and kill Umbra. If i'm specced for Light Armor, then it's fine and dandy. If heavy armor, you get a full set of Ebony along with the best sword in the game right there. Killing her doesn't even count towards your infamy, so that's even better, provided you can kill her.

what i did was i went to the abandened house and killed the man in there while he as sleep i felt kinda bad though because he was poor.

Sanctuary door
I've played thru the game a few times. Shivering Isles and all. Recently I loaded another hard drive and reinstalled the game on that drive. No matter what I try to do can't get the quests for Shivering Isles and the Nine to come up.-and the are in the data folder. My REAL question is this. I have become Grand Champion in the Arena, Arch Mage, Guildmaster of the Fighter's guild and thought I would run thru the DB quest. I can't get the sactuary door to query me or let me in. First time, after Rufio I reloaded and it queried me. Now I am done with Captain Tussaud and It won't query me no matter what. Does ANYONE have the console command to get the Sanctuary door to query you? Once I get the well key it won't matter anymore.67.142.130.41 22:35, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Can I join and stay in both the Dark Brotherhood and the Mages Guild?
...because I originally joined the Mages Guild but due to an "accident," I have joined both and no one else seems to know the crimes I did.

I mistook an adventurer for a bandit in some cave. I sneaked and attacked him. He turned hostile and after I killed him, only then I realized he wasn't a bandit. Strangely, I didn't get the "Your killing was observed by forces unknown" message.

So yes, I was visited and invited by Lucien. I thought maybe, try something different for a change thus I successfully killed Rufio without being detected. Once again, no one in the Mages Guild knew.

Now, I have also completed A Watery Grave and I did receive +1 in infamy. I am curious if the more I progress through the Dark Brotherhood objectives with stealth, can I still stay in the Mages Guild? TheNeXusCore (talk) 06:25, January 21, 2015 (UTC)