Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-209.7.3.188-20160303204000/@comment-26893431-20161029222809

Sports72Xtrm wrote:

Harming "their overall position in Skyrim" only applies to Ulfric's death at Helgen. Naturally, if Ulfric died right there at Helgen, there would be no rebellion and Stormcloaks and Imps wouldn't be killing each other thus it would "harm their overall position in Skyrim". It's only applicable in that context. They've already achieved their goal by having Ulfric survive Helgen and start the rebellion and solidified their overall position in Skyrim, no matter who wins because both imps and stormcloaks are enemies of the dominion. Yet they don't desire either of the two factions to survive and the remaining faction who emerges victorious needs to be able to challenge the Thalmor. The Stormcloaks are still a valid contender in that regard. Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an  Imperial  victory  and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim.  The and thus is a reference to the Imperial victory.