User blog comment:Harold Burned-Mane/The Truth about Ulfric Stormcloak/@comment-5700881-20131108114507/@comment-17114085-20131202104159

The thing is Ulfric planned to have him impeached, if Torygg hadn't accepted the duel then Ulfric would have the right to call for a Moot and strip Torygg of the throne, so this is why Torygg accepted even though he knew he had no chance of winning. Ulfric was after all a trained legionaire and Torygg had only basic martial training. So even if Ulfric hadn't used the voice Torygg would have still lost. The challenge was about making a point, to show he wasn't kidding around, that he was serious about his cause. Challenging Torygg was the only way he though would make his point, plus again he knew he would win either way. I also had somethings to say before we close this topic.

The walls are old and crumbling but i wouldn't go as far as saying would could just climb/jump over them. They would need ladders to get over the walls. Though i do agree a battering ram would be more useful, in my mind i pictured either Ulfric or the Dragonborn shouting the gates open, would have been a more memorable scene. It is entirely feasible to join Whiterun and Skyrim together, afew mods do so, there is one that makes all gated cities part of the Skyrim world space, meaning all gates function as normal doors you open and close. Bethesda is just very lazy, and they didn't have enough time to finish Skyrim like they wanted to. I would have preferred them to delay the game a few months so they could finish the game. PS.: i don't consider myself a member of the "pc master race" i just play Skyrim on my pc because of mods, so im just a regular gamer that happens to play on a pc.

Well humans in the TES universe are like us from the Medieval Ages so i assume they breed like us too. What i mean by that is that medieval humans had like half a dozen kids each, though in TES we only see families with one, two, three kids max. I always found that really weird, could be bethesda laziness again, maybe they didn't want to put in so many kids into the game( i mean they are prone to cutting costs when it comes to NPCs, like when they made Lars's a byproduct of incest instead of adding another NPC to be his mother/father). But yeah im unless TES humans breed like our medieval humans then they wouldn't be at 100% full strength, but they would be close. As it has been 25 years since the Great War, a new generation of humans have matured and are ready to join the fight.

Well yes his power was exagurated, he wasn't going to literally eat the world.

I do agree with you about the benifit of putting religion on the side and focussing on logic and reason, i just keep saying that its unlikely to happen in TES universe. (I kind of feel like a broken record :P). Last i remember they did have scholars that weren't mages in TES. Mages as a whole aren't bad because they didn't do as Andrew Ryan did and neglect religion, when you neglect every aspect of religion people tend get a little crazy, even as far as making a new religion (Bioshock 2, Sofia Lamb) to fill the foid. I believe religion is a nessesary moral compass to guide people, even though im not particularly religious myself(and now i feel like a preacher, a guess some of Heimskr rubbed of on me :P)

Talos guide you.