Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-24999589-20140604181541/@comment-174.49.250.27-20140628145220

Dovahsebrom wrote: Shalidors insights wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: Shalidors insights wrote: I think he was a nord, his original name was Hjalti Early-Beard and that sounds pretty nordic to me Hjalti Early-Beard isn't necessarily Tiber Septim. yeah but it is possible that they are one and the same maybe even likely but I dont know all the lore.that why i created this, to see what others could bring to the table Tiber Septim is the Enantiomorphic Oversoul of Talos the mortal and Zurin Arctus, this is why Hjalti "isn't necessarily Tiber Septim". Hjalti is in fact Tiber Septim, and Zurin Arctus was killed before the death of Tiber Septim, and Wulf was simply a representation of him on the planes of Nirn, much like with Zenithar and Mara. While that does technically make Wulf Talos, Wulf was created by Talos to be his vessel on Nirn. Though Wulf could in fact be the chosen spirit of a man Tiber Septim once betrayed, if you buy into The Arcturian Heresy.

The problem with that is The Underking, the Undead form of either Zurin Arctus, Ysmir Wulfharth, or the combined souls of both. Zurin Arctus is not in fact a part of Talos, since his soul was trapped in his body due to the Mentella being lost and sent into another plane of existance. Because of that, Zurin's soul could not possibly be both alive on Nirn as the Underking-until the destruction of the Mantella-and then Talos at the same time.

As for Ysmir, the Arcturian Heresy stated that he was the Underking all along, and while Zurin was Tiber's loyal battlemage, Ysmir constantly urged Tiber Septim to go to war with Morrowind, but he refused. Ysmir was then betrayed by Tiber Septim, who removed his soul and placed it in the Mantella, so again, even if Wulfharth and Wulf are one and the same, it is unlikely that they became Talos along with Tiber Septim, as they were alive many generations afterwards until the Mantella was destroyed.

Although the idea that Ysmir and Tiber Septim were the same person comes from the records that Ysmir worked in his name while he was alive, in order to make him seem like a more concerned ruler as he governed over the people. Although it is unlikely they were both the same person. I have not seen referenced to Zurin or Ysmir ever becoming a part of Talos, Wulf may have come from him, but was not somehow fused with other men to become one god. The only way I could see someone thinking of that, was the idea of Wulf being his astral projection, and Wulf and Zurin both being debated to be the Underking.

Meanwhile, as for his ancestry, it is blatantly stated many times in Skyrim that he is in fact a Nord, and came from either Atmora or the small island kingdom of Alcaire, though neither contradict his ancestry of being Nord. His name was originally Hjalti Early-Beard, but during a battle where he used the Thu'um to bring a stormcloud that followed him wherever he went, he became known as Talos, or "Storm Crown" by the more indigenous Nords.

It was only later on he became known as Tiber Septim, a mantle he took on once he had the Imperials under his control, and wanted to seem more Imperial-after all, he was the Emperor-and with that, things were set in motion. Talos possibly may have become a god due to his interaction with Lorkhan's Heart, or maybe simply from being the Dragonborn of Prophecy, as there was only one single Dragonborn meant to exist. Though, there were multiples in the lineage, Talos himself was the only one meant to use The Voice, or Thu'um. Others may have learned themselves, but he was the only one who could absorb Dragon Souls.

Although the events of the Dragonborn DLC may bring this into question, much like in Morrwind, your character is the reincarnation of the Chimer hero, it is thought that since there is only one true Dragonborn, perhaps the Dragonborn you play may even be Talos' Avatar on Nirn.

Though that's assuming he's Divine, which he is, and even the other Aedra agree with that, calling themselves the Nine Divine, instead of the Eight which they did previously. Blessings are also something that only the Divines seem to be able to do, and Talos is able to openly do so. Not to mention the blood of Talos is able to open a door created to only work when the blood of a God was spilt on it. You also don't see him in Sovngarde while you see most other great fallen heroes. Even if he wasn't a Nord-which he is-you can see Imperials plain as day in Sovngarde, so that shouldn't matter at all, even if he wasn't an Imperial, Talos should be there, he should be right there in Sovngarde, praised by everyone around him, you see everyone from Ysgramor to Jurgen Wind-Caller, and the fact you don't see Talos when he was one of the greatest heroes ever to be mentioned in all of the History of Tamriel, can only mean one thing. That Talos did in fact become Divine, and not even the other divines question his Divinity.