Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-70.162.32.87-20140716020856/@comment-24349111-20140922181326

174.44.92.186 wrote: Pelinal Whitestrake wrote: Sithis is Padomay's soul, Lorkhan is Sithis' soul, Sheogorath is Lorkhan's madness, meaning he has even stronger ties to the original void than Nocturnal does. The problem with the Void, Padomay and Sithis is that their natures are very much depending on the writer. There's the original void before Anu and Padomya showed up, and sometimes Padomay is called a void, and sometimes Sithis is called a void. But going with MK's vision Padomay isn't Void, he's Change, and Sithis isn't Void, but Division (anon Misanthropy, anon Limits). The motion that split Anu into Aurbis. So I'm gonna say that the original Void is that vast emptiness outside of the Aurbis, outside Anu and Padomay. This is where Lorkhan went to see the Wheel turn sideways and become the Tower that is I.

On this void, Vivec says this: " Anu and Padhome, stasis and change, both vast realms sitting in the void, Outside the wheel is the void, bereft of anything. It cannot be named. If it has more aspects than stasis and change, they are outside of true language."

Oblivion is the myth-echo of the Void. Nocturnal is its firstborn, and possibly an aspect of the original. If all the daedra were to go to Aetherius, I doubt she'd be the most powerful. But in Oblivion, the mythical pattern deems her the strongest. Because patterns are that important in TES. I already know this. The problem is, Daedra can claim anything. Azura claims she is benevolent to the Dunmer, while she's basically the one who caused the erruption of Red Mountain through being a butthurt b*tch.

And I know that patterns are important in TES. However, let's take all of this in aspect:

-Sheogorath is the Daedric Prince of Madness, Madness and Genius lie very close together (i.e Sheogorath is a genius as well, proven by him being able to even trick other Daedric Princes such as Hircine), he by himself is evidently powerful on Nirn, he is Lorkhan's madness and he was mantled by a Shezarrine who mantled Pelinal Whitestrake before

-Nocturnal is described as Ur-Dra, and as you say, she might be the aspect of the Void. However, do we ever see her or read about her do anything actually close to what Sheogorath, Hermaeus Mora, Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, hell, even Hircine have done? Never. Or atleast, I never read about it. Not to mention that a remnant of Lorkhan's madness would logically seen (I know that logic is a kinky thing in TES, but still), have more power inside the Aurbis, in which the concepts of Change/Sithis/Padomay and Order/Anu/Anuiel exist, than an aspect of something which doesn't exist inside the Aurbis (as Vivec says it).