Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-28928375-20160704230601/@comment-28928375-20160707150757

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Sovngarde is the afterlife for Nords and Nords only. Just like the Far Shores for Redguards. We don't know the afterlife of the Dwemer (if they even have one) so a dead Dwemer probably just goes to Aetherius. But, the Egg of Time (a book in Morrowind) along with the remains of ash scattered at Dwemer armor in Mournhold leads me to believe that the Dwemer basically turned to ash when they hit the Heart of Lorkhan. Thanks! And to Teldryn as well! This goes a long way to helping me whittle down this hulking thesis. And it's interesting that you mention the Redgaurd! Do you know the Ebony Warrior? He's a Redgaurd. And he lives in Sovngarde! I feel like you're right to say that Sovngarde is not so important to the discussion. So thanks.

The Egg of Time that you and Teldryn have mentioned is definitely eye-opening for me... I hadn't heard of it before. If the entire Dwemer race really did just turn to ash, then why aren't there any similar remains in other dwarven strongholds? That would mean that every Dwemer that ever lived (that wasn't killed off by the wars) would have been- at the time- centrally located in that one stronghold at Red Mountain (or Vinec, whatever). That doesn't sound very smart as far as Dwemer go.

I would love to know if there is any evidence that the Dwemer souls did not make it to Aetherius, or the dreamsleeve... it would indicate that they're still trapped here with us on Tamriel!

All I know is you travel to Aetherius in Skyrim and Daggerfall... still no sign of Dwemer.

Nor in any of the (known) realms of Oblivion are Dwemer reported to exist. You're right to say we can't know EVERYTHING about this, but we can say with some amount of confidence that they do not exist on any of the KNOWN planes, except for MAYBE along the axis of untime.

So the Dwemer bodies turned to ash (fire and some other magic), but what happened to their souls? We have seen apparitions exist in real-time in Skyrim, ghosts and phantoms, so why can't they exist as disembodied souls in un-time, too?

In the words of Kireth Vanos:

It's eerie to walk through a Dwarven ruin. It's supposed to be empty, deserted, but the lights continue to glow and the pipes continue to steam. It's like the place is waiting for someone to return, as though the Dwarves just stepped out for a moment and haven't been gone for hundreds of years.

Let's keep the conversation going!

Current ammendations to theory:

Dwemer (or Dwemer souls) were banished to the plane of untime by Akatosh for invoking the Brass God at the Battle of Red Mountain.

While there is no evidence that they don't exist in some other, Dwarf-exclusive realm of oblivion, there is a lot of evidence that they are not quite gone from this world. I.e. Radac Stugnthumz is a Dwemer ghost who existed in the mortal realm, Lord Fyr himself said he never heard even a hint of a credible rumor that Dwemer existed anywhere in Tamriel or in any of the OUTER REALMS.

I'll end with something Yagrum Bargarn, the last KNOWN living Dwemer said:

''I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences -- such as wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm. Or he may have erred, and utterly destroyed our race."''

The only reason Yagrum survived was because he was travelling to another realm at the time, and so his body wouldn't have disintergrated, nor his soul been transferred to an outer realm.

In short: I wouldn't be so quick to jump the gun about the Dwemer dying for good that day. Even Yagrum is uncertain of this.