Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-27007772-20140611204941/@comment-25513154-20150617223228

College Mage: Ferris

For anyone reading see my above notes so u aren't confused. Its about to get redunant

1) If u didn't notice the unbolded was from other sites or from this sites, i let them be to point out that it wasn't me who said that. But i guess u can't tell. (says a lot) and some of the Typing bugged itself out with differnet colors.

2) HE who? there isnt a single Dragonborn that is canon. If you honestly believe ONLY a male Nord is THE Dragonborn, I have thousands of fans who would disagree. Furthermore, YES! Why wouldn't you go with the one guy who stuck his neck out for you by standing up to a superior officer? He also tells you he will get you out of it alive. No part of that is Stockholm syndrome.

Denial- W uuthrad- bane of Elfs, 50%  natural '''resistance to cold allows the player to adventure and explore freely without trouble. 'Arcadia will sometimes say  "Maybe a hardy Nord like you doesn't need a cure-all."'' regardless of your race.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Arcadia

(By the way the nords have a upper hand in the fight for skyrim-the Imported imperials and Thalmore don't. The Cold and snow is a major factor in this war - Its affects would drain Magicak Stamina and Eventaully health)

(The game doesn't show this because it would just be a instant win for the stormcloaks on there territory.)

3)  "I will admit fault on my wording."

'Now we are getting somewhere but still- U forgot Elisifs quest for droping off her husbands horn the player gets attack by thalmore and is forced to kill them or (sadly the game is broken) run away and get a bounty from the thalmore and be on there list. (u see how Wuuthrad comes in?)'

4) "'What you just said there?" '

'Sadly this isn't on my head but Beth's head. Again the player cannot destroy the darkbrother hood COMPLETELY because the player, that kid, Cicero and the night mother are still alive. Cicero could simple meet up with the Dbh and the night mother talks to him from there. Get this part correct. The DarkbrotherHood wasn't neccesary...Only the Db was needed NOTICE HOW ALMOST EVERYONE DIED EITHER WAY. Geez. And no the player can't kill Cicero on the road without commands. Beths Bias forced only one real choice. (most logical choice that is)'

5) Ranting-"'What are you talking about here?"  "'lets see some links here that state they had planned to wreck the Empire."

'''Ok y did she not have a option (dial) for each race. Also here are a couple.'''

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Unfinished_Quests

Boethiah's Bidding

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Whispering_Door '''Hrongar is even worst than Balgruff at stormcloak or Empire chooses. He's not fit to be Yarl.'''
 * Several elements in the Creation Kit seem to indicate that a portion of the quest was omitted from the final game - it appears that Jarl Balgruuf's children were supposed to fall under Mephala's influence one by one, culminating in them killing Balgruuf in an act of patricide. It seems that his brotherHrongar would have replaced him as Jarl upon death, given that he has unused dialogue mirroring Balgruuf's for several quests, and some citizens of Whiterun, like Ulfberth War-Bear having unused dialogue referring to Hrongar as Jarl.

Missing Area's

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/792938544876653814/9C28AFCECDDCC4EB245FFF1A342FECBBA7A7CD6F/

'''If they made those areas they would be forced to expand the fake map size. '''

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Gorm '''This quest shows that Idgord will soon be replaced and not even her housecarl trust her. (But the game doesn't show her beening replaced/Dieing because it isn't finished) '''
 * For the Good of Morthal: Deliver a letter to Captain Aldis in Solitude.

Benor:  "Ho, Gorm."

Gorm:  "Buy you a drink?" Benor:  "Not right now. Anything new?" Gorm:  "Still the same. I tell you, something's got to be done." Benor:  "When the time is right, friend. When we're sure." Gorm:  "The longer we wait, the worse it gets." Benor:  "Let's talk about it some other time."

'''Secondly i don't think even u want to see Idgrod the Younger on her Throne. '''

'''Yeah Falkreath, I am surprise that Jarl guy isn't dead yet, For dealing with bandits and Thalmore. (buttttt curroption in the empire rules so. what can you do...oh right start a rebellion)'''

That Yarl in Riften Gets replaced as i said before by the Stormcloak yarl for Morthal.

'''Maven like i said before should have be killed after the Thieves Guild quest and the dragonborn should have taking over her buisness. (and like i said before Ulfric knows that people are getting paid off in the rift) She's doesn't help anyone but herself and to even hold herself up more she a -lines with the Thalmore. Not having her and the other Jarls killed was a bad move on beths part.'''

 6) ' ''"'it's like you dont even read my points... congrats, you can quote the guards... my point wasn't "nobody will know it was the dragonborn" my point was; "You are given a choice, and unless theres a Dragonbreak"

'''Given a choose...Do u mean that illusion that theres a Empire not Ruled by the Thalmore? Remember The player if this was REAL war, would have a bounty just like the rest of the Stormcloaks. General Tullius and Elenwen saw the player before and my POINT was that WORDS spread FAST and They (guards) KNOW that the player killed the Emperor. It's already in game bro.'''

'"For anyone playing a morally good character, to suddenly have history write their character was an assassin would cause huge problems within the fanbase." '

'STOP RIGHT THERE. let me destroy that Illusion. Do you know about the dragon priest and there mask> Each mask has different Ability but most important to get the last mask you need all other mask. Since there are no '' coincidence in TES. He got all those mask to match the CANONS Abilitys. All Dragonborns are Jack of all trades, saying other wise is DENAIL. Like i said before (Almost everyone knows) the canon Nord Db would be the Likely choice, other just don't make sense.'''

7) " * Wow the treason, i am so (not) surprised   What is this supposed to mean?"

'''How about you read over my post correctly to address what i was saying and stop ranting. I was i adressing that ur statement was treason for ur own faction and it's not surprising.'''

8) "Second note.. Ulfric's dialog about not wanting to be responsible for the Emperor's cousin's AND his dialog saying he doesnt want the Emperor dead in Skyrim,"

'''It happen and guess what Cyrodill wasn't in arms ready to go ape crap. Guess why Because as i said before Cicero already state that the country is Ravaged and FILLED with STRIFE NO WHERE THERE IS (province) SAFE.'''

'''Double that down with Thalmore Taking people like theres no Tommorow and bandits raiding town. ha. The soldiers are to busy and stressed.'''

'''This is getting really redundant. I am going to have to cut ur ranting to a couple words.'''

'''"Change can mean a lot of things" Epic denial- ok Do you think the empire became better after his death or worse? If better i am just going to stop writing to u.'''

9) "Evidence please."

'''Really- This is WAR and u just typed that ranted part. Supplies get drained exp when a faction has enemys at all sides. - They are still recovering from the GW (They don't want to admit it but there weak as of skyrim events) (They also don't want Tamrial to know that the Dragonborn exist) They are fighting battles whether by spys or soldiers in Hammerfell (Remember Saadias quest- the rebellion is strong in hammerfell) why am i even typing about this. Ok how about we actually use logic summerset isle has its own rebellions going, not everyone supports the Thalmore, Valenwood (malborn) has Rebellions going, Cyrodill is in mini wars with its own people and the Thalmore, they have there forces in High Rock because of the coast trade and now in skyrim they also get picked off slowly (Notice also in Solstheim- they only have a hand full of thalmore the player kills.) They are spread out and weak. Remember summerset isle is small and the Domionion faction is even smaller add that to the above.'''

 " It is only because of Alduin's attack he survived"

Do u know that think called DIVINE intervention-or How  '''coincidence don't exist or the fact that was what the "Divines" wanted. Hmm the Empire is in this postion because they gave up. That EVENT was DIVINE intervention. Saying other wise is total Denial.'''

"The Stormcloaks are just getting started"

'''BETHESDA'S fault. They srunk the map, i don't blame u for ranting on that part. '''

"ALL of Cyrodiil"

No they don't. Cicero statements about home- their to busy fighting off the Bandits and Mini faction wars and other wars.

"1 legion that's been holding off the rebellion,"

Sigh- "We now fight our way to Castle Dour to cut the head off the legion itself! And in that moment, the gods will look down and see Skyrim as she was meant to be. Full of Nords who are mighty, powerful, and free! "

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Ulfric_Stormcloak

Sadly this is the HEAD legion, there are no back up Legion other than those in the mini wars (without generals) in Cyrodill.

Galmar:  "The Imperials aren't going to leave us alone. They still have camps in the hills. They'll continue to strike out at us, whenever and wherever they can.Ulfric<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">:  ''"I'm not afraid of the remnants of the Legion, in time they'll all give up and go home. What I fear, is that the Thalmor will see our victory here and turn greater attention to our shores. We must be prepared to face them." Galmar<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">:  "Aye." Ulfric<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;line-height:19.0499992370605px;">: (to you)  "And of course, we couldn't have done it without you. May the gods preserve you."''

(General TULLIUS IS LITURALLY the last Legion head Govn) (i don't blame u for that to, it's easily over seen)

"Hammerfell or Morrowind"

'''Lol u don't think that Saadia's quest where the Db hands her over to The Alikir they would mention the players involvment or hear of him beating the world eater and wanting to join forces with someone that has an axe thats the bane of elves. Or someone that just kick the empire out of skyrim almost single handly. Read that over again.'''

'''Morrowind is a lost, thats why Malborn went there. Thalmore wouldn't really go to the main land. '''

"You and Phantasys both"

'''Sooooooo High Rock is peaceful. Do u belive it's peaceful? With the events that are going on. Oh and guess what the legion types over there are just foot soldiers no generals. Plus they are Divided and follow the Domions God concept they are easier to take down.'''

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/High_Rock '''Talos isn't on that list by the way- The Thalmore is loving them already,plus they are by coast easier passage for the Thalmore to enter. And they view shor as evil.'''
 * Phynaster - The Hero-God of Summerset Isles, though he is also worshipped by the Bretons.
 * Sheor - Bretony God of Strife. First he was the god of crop failure, but most of his modern priests agree that he is a demonized version of the Nordic Shor, and was born during the dark years after the fall of Saarthal.

'''Sadly even Ulfric stated that there wasn't word from them in the game. (but if thalmore are already in High Rock) Alot of people will have problems with it. cough Rebellion) Oh and again the DEPT of being with the EMPIRE and being HUMAN. Thalmore don't want humans on NIRN. Since they don't have Talos in the Alinement they will be trampled even faster than cyrodill and  obviously working with the empire means there some corruption going on. (Amaund_Motierre)'''

10) "Do YOU know,"

'''I not to sure why u are ranting and repeating. Make a point don't rant.'''

11) "* How many years has it been-"

'Tell me honestly don't u think thats a LONG time? Don't u think thats a sign of no recovery? Shouldn't it have been 4 to 7 Years recovery and even that is a bit long.'

oh and here  http://listverse.com/2013/07/15/10-absurdly-outnumbered-underdogs-who-won/

' They could have won, but they gave up. like when general Tullius just gave up at the battle for solitude.(He really showed what the empire really is about there) '

12) "Who cares if the soldiers can't fight, I have faith in the gods!" and just keep going? Faith doesnt win wars, soldiers do,

'''"Who cares if the soldiers can't fight, I have faith in the gods!" and just keep going? Faith doesnt win wars, soldiers do,"'''

'''This is y the empire died, lack of faith. They drowned themselves with curroption of the heart and got sloppy soft. They caved in to someone saying i can kill now or kill slowly. They are dead. DEAD.'''

here http://listverse.com/2013/07/15/10-absurdly-outnumbered-underdogs-who-won/

Lack of Faith kills, even for small things this has been proving deadly for 1000's of years.

Just admit it your a Thalmore agent aren't u. 

"You have successfully lost whatever respect I had for this discussion, as you seemed to have succumbed to blind delusions."

Well gezz aren't we typing about a world that has robots, magic and visible godsss or demi gods walking about.

'''Elves treating Humans empires with magically obliteration if of the whole human race if they don't sign a treaty, Dragons flying about, vampires, almost endless creatures and numbers of beast  and u lost respect for me. bro thats sad.'''

'''Well i won this discussion an i'm now guessing anything below this was a rant. I have no more "want" to type to u MAGE FERRIS. Type to me again when u gain Respect for a discussion about a game thats isn't complete and has magic/ visible godsss in it.'''