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[This will be my last reply]

I know that he took up Lorkhan's role, that is part of him mantling Lorkhan. How are they similar? All we associate with Talos is War, Governance and Hero God of Mankind. That is kind of his characteristics.

PS.: What is C0DA? Mantling requires you to be just about identical to a god.

"walk like them until they must walk like you"

Talos was made out of the incarnated souls of Lorkhan himself, of course they would be very similar.

C0DA was basically a graphic novel-like kind of thing made by Kirkbride. Most of it I wouldn't really consider to be lore friendly, however there are bits of it (such as Talos transforming into Lorkhan) that seem like they are notable to the lore.

That is why I take MK's statements with a grain of salt. But its a bit hypocritical to take some of what he says as the absolute truth but take other things as lies. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The only one of the Dragonborn Emperors that was said to be a true Dragonborn, having characteristics of a true Dragonborn, was Tiber Septim. Reman was called a Dragonborn by the Akaviri but he never used the thu'um or anything like that. Which begs the question...how did they know Reman was dragonborn?

That is why I said it doesn't necessarily prove the emperors aren't dragonborns like the dovahkiin. Alessia seems to be a special case in the manner, of Dragonborns, almost more of a symbol than an actual dragonborn herself. I mean the whole akatosh gave Alessia the amulet idea is also up for speculation, and some believe it was actually Pelinal/Shezarr who gave it to her.

Reman used the Thu'um at the Pale Pass.

''But the end result is the same, that the remaining Dragonguard, upon hearing the voice of Reman Cyrodiil, knelt and swore their lives to him, their conqueror and savior. Fragments of from late 1st era texts refer to the warriors dropping to their knees saying "we were not hunting" (or "did not intend", author - rough translation), continuing "we have been searching, for you."''

-The Rise and Fall of the Blades

You don't need Dragon souls to learn the thu'um. Dragonborns can absorb knowledge kind of like how they absorb souls, remember High Hrothgar? Also the reason that the Greybears only call Talos or the LD after they've used the thu'um is because there was no other way for them to know that they were dragonborns. It is common knowledge that the Septim Emperors were dragonborns. The Greybeards wouldn't need to wait for them to learn the thu'um to know that they were dragonborns. It could also be said that the individual needs to be of great importance to a prophecy in order to be called. Talos was called when he was destined to conquer Tamriel, the Dovahkiin was called when he was destined to save the world.

So he wasn't the First Ysmir, the title already existed before Wulfarth. Ok, him being the first to be worshiped depends on when the Nords switched from the Ancient Nordic Pantheon to the Nordic Pantheon. I don't really know if there is a date. But if they switched before 1E 500-ish then Wulfarth wasn't the first to be worshiped. It should be noted that switches aren't necessarily automatic. The Ancient Nordic Pantheon gradually switched to the modern Nordic Pantheon, Ysmir was probably the last addition. Especially seeing that in much later years, they adopt Talos as the Ysmir.

At the very least he is dragonblooded like the rest of his family but there was a quote from the Arcturian Herecy that could imply that he was special, more so than Wulfarth. Hjalti must have been more than just another Shezarrine.

"It is the rumbling of the Greybeards that wake him. Though the Empire has crumbled, there are rumors that a chosen one will come to restore it. This new Emperor will defeat the Elves and rule a united Tamriel. Naturally, Wulfharth thinks he is the figure of prophecy. He goes directly to High Hrothgar to hear the Greybeards speak. When they do, Ysmir is blasted to ash again. He is not the chosen one. It is a warrior youth from High Rock. As the Grey Wind goes to find this boy, he hears the Greybeards' warning: remember the color of betrayal, King Wulfharth." Hjalti is apparently the theif, the rebel of the Talos Enantiomorph (which, down to the basics of it, is Hjalti-Arctus-Wulfharth).

In other words, he is to Talos as Vivec is to ALMSIVI.

He is sort of the anchor of the oversouls in which are Tiber Septim and Talos Stormcrown.

The only Emperor that was a descendant of Tiber was Pelagius I. The other ones are descendants of Hjalti's brother.

Dragonblood is hereditary. Being Dragonborn isn't hereditary. Possibly, it could also be said that Akatosh just blessed Hjalti's bro. We won't really know unless something proves dragonblood is definitely hereditary.

I kind of agree but "people" isn't the right word for it. I'd say "different entities" is a better wording for it. Since they are all Hjalti, with a few extra bits. But I still don't think that Zurin is a part of Tiber Septim is the same sense that Wulfarth is a part of General Talos or that they both are a part of the Underking. Since Tiber and him are independent from one another, which is unique when it comes to Oversouls(As far as we know).

As for both Wikis being wrong, that is highly unlikely. One wiki can have false information, for both to have the same false information without it ever being questioned it unlikely. 'I kind of agree but "people" isn't the right word for it. I'd say "different entities"'

true.

'As for both Wikis being wrong, that is highly unlikely. One wiki can have false information, for both to have the same false information without it ever being questioned it unlikely.'

Well seeing as one wiki can just take info from the other, you always have to be cautious.