User blog comment:Zippertrain85/Why the Stormcloaks are right part 2/@comment-9156240-20130604214324/@comment-9062114-20130604222739

1: Definitely an interesting. I never denied Brunwulf was in the Great War, I just said I don't think he knew Tullius. That is never mentioned in dialogue ever. So that's why I said it, Brunwulf knowing Tullius personally while not being a spy lacks evidence.

Well, Tullius couldn't have instantly known. Windhelm is a Stormcloak hold after all. So meeting an individual that could take over would take some time. It was actually a known fact that Maven Black-Briar supported the Empire. Just like the Silver-Bloods supported the Stormcloaks.

Consider this, Nord towns the ones Ulfric supposedly only helps, contains more then just Nords. You can see them. So when they get attacked a lot of people are suffering. While if a group of Dunmer get attacked not as many suffer. Since they're on the middle of a war they need to make sacrifices.

Perhaps it might be, but in the middle of a war he can't afford to just use soldiers for every little attack. It's a rebellion fighting an Empire it's not going to be easy. As I explaiend above Nordic towns contain more people then Khajiit caravans, and being in war he can't use soldiers bring justice to ever bandit.

2: No, I'm sorry it doesn't work that way. Just because someone in the game says it doesn't mean it's right. Espeically if it makes no sense. Alvor does not know everything, therefor he couldn't possibly speak for everyone. Thats in game stuff, they don't program everything into the game.

The one in Markarth has no blessing possibly meaning it's not for worship. it could just be for him taking over the Reach. He is pretty famous for doing that in Markrarth. The Thalmor are not going to be able to stop every shrine in Skyrim, especially if it's in the middle of the forest or something. Though Whiterun was leaning towards the Empire, it did stay somewhat neutral before the civil war questline so Talos worship might have been somewhat legal there. Riften is a Stormcloak hold, so Talos worship is legal.

3: Fine, maybe they were somewhat victims in a sense, but the Nords were not the bad guys ether. The Snow Elves tried to do that to the Nords, except they were all innocent. Yes, genocide is bad but back then it was just making sure your enemies didn't regroup and fight you five years later.

You're right I guess it does in a sense belong to the Snow Elves. But people shouldn't use this an excuse to hate the Nords/Stormcloaks when they were actually victims of it (not saying the Snow Elves were not at all).

4: Well, as a High King he should've known this stuff. Not have Ulfric do it for him. That doesn't sound like a very good king now does it? My point still stnads, Torygg could've succeeded if he wanted to, and if he didn't know how he really was not fit to be king at all.

5: I know, but I've heard some people use this as a reason not to join the Stormcloaks.

6: I guess so, but I don't see what this has to do with the war. Tullius probably has a lot more training then Ulfric in military stratagy. Ulfric is more of a king then a General, and vice versa with Tullius. So it doesn't surprise me that Tulllius might have a better stratagy.

Stratigically speaking it would be pretty dumb to fight, because he and his soldiers would have been killed because they were so outnumbered. So instead of ensuring his death, he surendered, and it looks like it worked out, didn't it?

Ulfric is also a Jarl, he has a hold to run. Tullius was specifically in Skyrim to fight the Stormcloaks. But my point was that Ulfric obviously still finds time to go out and fight with his soldiers. Barely any Stormcloaks where there, and it was an Imperial controlled city. So the Empire has the responsibilty to save the people. Ulfric was only there with a couple men. If it was a Stormcloak hold I would imagine the Stormcloaks would try and save people.