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 * --Jimeee (talk) 14:14, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

1000 things to do in Morrowind
Your right getting to 1000 is going to be very hard and might even be impossible but can you put sensible comments  like aquire all houses. Oh and if your wondering I am not against fun I just think it has its time and place

Your mind is the most powerful weapon you have Talk! 21:05, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

1000 things will take forever to list, people are already running out of ideas and it is only around 100 things listed. I highly doubt Jett Cyber was being completely serious when he was saying he wants 1000 things to do in Morrowind, this is why I, and many others, have just been making jokes to fill in space.

Dovahsebrom (talk) 03:11, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Vivec
You have done an amazing job on the Vivec page. Keep up the awesome work and maybe those "pesky" templates can go away, and maybe it could become a Featured Article! — AutoBlood  Talk   01:15, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Nahfahlaar
Since the Nahfahlaar is a word for word copy it can't stay, so I'm deleting it immediately. For now I'll redirect Nahfahlaar to Nafaalilargus. Jimeee (talk) 10:32, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

That seems like a good idea. I've edited the page to be more knowledgable on the subject.

Dovahsebrom (talk) 07:32, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Canon Tiers
While I agree with the Kirkbride's lore intergration on the pages, there are people here who are on a sort of Kirkbride crusade. So an official statement about different canon tiers could: Take a look at this, for example.
 * Stop edits, that disregard Kirkbride lore as valid.
 * Explain potential editors what Kirkbride canon is and what are its sources.
 * Publicly announce outsiders (4chan, reddit and Bethesda forums) that we accept the Kirkbride lore as canon. (Since it's rumored we don't)

--Ikabite (talk) 05:05, January 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * A bit off topic... You seem to be a bit knowledgeable about the TES lore, so I'd like to you take a look at this page before I publish it. I may have missed something.


 * User:Ikabite/sandbox1


 * --Ikabite (talk) 05:22, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ruddy Man
Saw your message to Tim and thought I'd look into it. It's fixed now. I'm not sure how that happened, but there were invisible ref tags in the edit that was causing the problem. I fixed it by copying the current content onto the last good edit version which was made on August 7, 2013. — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  07:29, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

Imperial Library
Yes, I think it would be useful to have these texts linked in the OOG references, mainly as the will contain links to other pages. Let me add all the texts first. While the wikia versions are just really a backup, we can use them for OOG purposes. The important thing is we will eventually need good quality pages on things like CHIM, Amaranth, Landfall etc that the texts mention so we can link them up. Jimeee (talk) 12:01, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Vivec and Ardhanarishvara
I wanted to ask you if the connection between Vivec and the hermaphrodite god Ardhanarishvara in the Hinduism should be mentioned in Vivec's article.

MK stated in his AMA that elements of Ardhanarishvara indeed are in Vivec.

Also, look at the Screenshot of Vivec and this picture of Ardhanarishvara. The similarity is quite obvious. AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 12:48, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Well, the only source I have is this from MKs AMA: "Were elements of the mythology concerning Vivec- particularly his androgyny- in any way inspired by the Ardhanarishvara, the androgynous aspect of Shiva?

http://www.exoticindia.com/panels/ardhanarishvara_wa74.jpg " (from a reddit user) MKs answer: "Of course.

And I really wanted a magical hermaphroditic badass on the XBox." AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 21:27, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

I asked Jimeee about the reference, and he allowed me to use it. AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 21:36, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

I believe its called Hari-Hara rupa, 1/2 destructon, 1/2 preservation. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IVGQHz4ev2Y/UrfuqtkCGcI/AAAAAAAADsg/E9O37wW369I/w506-h380/HARIHARA.jpg

Shezarrines article
Need your help with this page. Could you take a look at it, by any chance? 22:06, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * The admins won't agree with its deletion; it's something we should have a page on a long time ago. But thanks, anyway. 05:04, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Says who? I will (and have done in the past) blank an entire page if I find it has been copied from uesp. The user who did this will get a stern warning. Jimeee (talk) 10:58, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sotha Sil
Whilst that is true, the in-game books, letters, etc, are found in the other sections of that site. The "Obscure Texts" are for those that are from the bethesda forums, or other fan-related sites. I.e., Fanon. We accept some of Michael Kirkbride's work, begrudgingly, but only with a warning that it is out-of-game material. It could possibly stay, but with your permission, I'll open it up to the community? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 13:32, January 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * This thread. As I said here, I don't think we should have them, but the argument could be made either way. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 13:39, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm actually coming around to your way of thinking. I didn't realise that they were around before Tribunal came out (although, that could be made up, as there is no reference). So if they community thinks we should have them, then I think we will end up with them all listed, not just that Sotha Sil one. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 21:37, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Orgnum
In this instance we leave it - I know that he is the same user and it's up to the user in question to change/reword it if they wish. UESP's policy says it's acceptable too. Jimeee (talk) 15:48, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thread Closed
You were discussing canonisity and reliability or certain lore-sources. It was off-topic, and I made a new, separate thread, that I also linked. Thread will not be deleted, but closed and will still be open for viewing, so you can continue the discussion on the new thread.

Ikabite (talk) 17:58, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

I think I might have found you on facebook, are Konakrik Dovasebrom there? I apologize if I am mistaken G.A.I. (talk) 16:26, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

C0DA
Just wanted to inform ya that C0DA will be released tomorrow. The countdown can be seen on the official C0DA Website. AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 16:52, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

TESO Explanation?
This is just a (crazy) Idea, but what if TESOs Nirn would actually just be a torture realm created by Molag Bal? I think It would make sense. TESOs lore is totally messed up, BUT if TESOs Nirn isn't actually Nirn... let me explain it.

So, we do know that Coldharbour is a totally messed up version of Nirn. Everything there is totally fucked up. But what would stop Molag Bal from creating a second "messed up Nirn" which is a bit closer to the actual Nirn, but still not the actual Nirn? It could be a Pocket Realm.

Molag Bal could have created that realm to torture the Soulless One, the Main Character from TESO, while other Soulless People (other players) are also trapped in that realm. They can't die in any way since their souls belong to Molag Bal. He can resurrect them immediately.

I know that this is a crazy theory... but what do you think about it? AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 19:26, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Well, Molag Bal could actually be trying to merge Nirn with his (main) Realm, but since he's an asshole, he also wants to torture the souls he got from Nirn. There might also be a single person who could actually escape from Coldharbour, and that person would be the "canon" hero of TESO.

Yeah, I guess that's right. But since Coldharbour is infinitely big, it might be possible that there are multiple Nirns existing in Coldharbour. The "weirdest" version might be the "traditional" Coldharbour... the one we know off. One a little bit less weird version could be TESOs "Nirn".

AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 20:53, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Vivec pic
I wanted to ask you if the pic of Vivec in C0DA (I already uploaded it to the wiki, link ) should be added to the Vivec article?

AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 18:50, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Another invisible reference
Thanks, got it!

There's actually a way to remove those ref tags manually, by using Monobook. I added a little reminder for myself on the "Administrative" section of my user page. It allows you to force an action by adding this to the end of the URL.

?useskin=monobook&action=edit

So, I removed those invisible refs by doing this in the address bar: elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Skyshroud_Barrow?useskin=monobook&action=edit

It allows you to see everything that isn't showing up in the default editor. I thought you might like to know about that little trick, in case it happens again. :) —TombRaiser  SPEAK!  03:56, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Book writing
Hey Dovahsebrom, bit of an odd question here, but where do you get all this book content from? I mean unless you type at the speed of light, you must be copy-and-pasting the content from somewhere? Just wonderin'. Thanks in advance. 22:01, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks alot Wulfharth. such a witty lore joke 22:11, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Orsinium Edits
Regarding that page, I removed it because nowhere in the game is it stated that Orsinium was sacked in the Fourth Era. The loading-screen you provide as evidence;

"Orcs, also known as Orsimer, are natives of Orsinium, a small mountain kingdom between Hammerfell and Skyrim. It has been sacked and rebuilt many times."

does not state that the city was sacked in the Fourth Era, only that it has been sacked in the past.  DRAEVAN13  16:18, February 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * From Pocket Guide to the Empire about Orsinium:


 * "Other Orcs with vision attempted to create new homelands over the next three thousand years, but all were attacked and destroyed before they could take root."


 * This is BEFORE the Second Orsinium was founded. THAT is what the loading screen means when it says that Orisinium was sacked many times.


 * Next time, read the sources you provide as evidence more carefully.  DRAEVAN13  18:36, February 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * I disagree, since the Guide clearly states that several Orsiniums within 3,000 years "were attacked and destroyed before they could take root." and the Loading Screen never mentions the Fourth Era as you claim it does. At any rate, we're at an impasse, I've asked the Admins to weigh in before this escalates into an Edit War.  DRAEVAN13  18:53, February 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * That doesn't make any sense. It says "sacked and rebuilt many times". If this is a new Orisinium, how can it have been sacked many times if it was just created recently? This sounds more like an oversight or mistake on Bethesda's half regarding the location of Orsinium.  DRAEVAN13  19:06, February 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Stop with this now, if you have a source that can confirm this, add this in the article or take it to the Orsiniums talkpage instead until all can agree instead of adding and removing information. Is the information here? Pocket Guide to the Empire, Third Edition: Orsinium. And looking at the history of the page, Dovahsebrom, you have edited the page far too many times in a short timeframe. If you know you are making a lot of edits, do so in one or two edits. Not up to 15 times within 25 minutes. 21:22, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Shalidor's Library
In answer to your question ...

Personally, I think we should have them separate. The reasons being that the first one, the full document, has been up online, available for a very long time. (Thus, at least whilst development is still taking place, makes it somewhat historical in terms of the game content. I didnt really say that right, but hopefully you get my idea with that. The reason why we would also like to have the other two separate is that the locations will be different for each, and this might be necessary enough for individual pages. I'm actually just about a Consensus Thread about this (and similar) questions with regards to these books - there are a few other books that we have on the wiki from previous games in the series, that are split into two. History of the Fighters Guild, 1st Ed, for example.

On a different note altogether - the last chapter mentions Varen. Is that the same one from the Five Companions? Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 09:45, February 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, and also - do you think we should have them all listed at Shalidor's Library? OR should we have them on a page such as "Lore Library (Online)" or "Lore Library" (Another one I am going to open up to the consensus thread - that way we all get a say :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 09:46, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

C0DA is Canon!
Hey, I just wanted to show ya that we finally have proof that C0DA is canon (which we can show to all people who doubt that):  link  AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 14:53, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Help?
Hey, could you please help me with this thread? I'm having trouble there at explaining two Users that Children in TES take the race from their mother on. AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 21:36, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

Forum Mod
Hey, I want to nominate you for the position of Forum Moderator. Mostly because you seem to be quite active, know the lore and because we need more staff members (I think I'm the only really active Forum Moderator right now). Since ESO will be released soon, we could use more staff members to watch over the Forum. You seem to be fit for the job. If you want to become one, then I'll nominate you. AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 13:52, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

So, I talked with Zippertrain, Alduin and Ikabite about my Idea. Zippertrain and Ikabite would support you, while Alduin would stay Neutral until he would see you posting more comments in the Forums. AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 22:09, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

I just want to inform you that I nominated you now. You can see your nomination here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki_talk:Moderators AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 19:17, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Images on Vivec
Hi, AutoBlood asked me if the article Vivec was good enough for a nomination to Featured Article.. we are looking at it and we know you have worked a lot to improve it. I have replaced some of the images as you might have seen. What I would like to know where did you get the image of BaarDau.jpg as it looks way to perfect. This is not the look ingame as the sight is poor and you don't see the island behind. Did you use a mod or something? I have uploaded another version of it here. 21:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine, I'll replace it with the one I took. If you can get a better, (although it is tough and I have tried my hardest in my graphicsprogram to make it clearer, but that was the best I could do,) if you go there again, replace mine in that case. 21:52, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I haven't said this yet
Or if I have - it deserves saying again. You're doing some seriously great work with the uploading of online content. Id give you a fishy stick, but I'm on my mobile atm. Seriously though... Thank you very Mich. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 01:58, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

skyrim has delicious apples

Shalidor created Glamoril
Hey, I just wanted to tell you that Shalidor apparently created Glamoril himself. I'm at the last quest of the Mages Guild in ESO right now, and he told me that. Screenshot AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 09:21, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Nope, he only says what is shown in my Screenshot. No mention of Glamoril after this anymore. AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 14:09, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Italicization
Hi, you might have seen the reply Sky gave on my talkpage about consensus reached in this matter in the forum. Yes, although it wheren't that many who voted for a removal it was still decided that we do. As I've told Sky, it doesn't mean we all just go there and do it. Tomb will set her bot to fix it, those that have the  used. Hopefully it can be done like Balagog suggested in that thread for the other method used. But if you need to edit the article, like with the online books, you can remove it as you are already editing. 05:19, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

Forum Mod
Hey Dovahsebrom, you've been promoted to Forum Moderator! Congrats! As forum moderator you are in the Rollback user right group which allows you to edit comments if they are in violation of the forum policies. It also allows you to quickly rollback edits on the mainspace in the event of vandalism. If you have any question related to moderating the forums, feel free to ask me, or consult with your fellow forum mods. :) —TombRaiser  SPEAK!  01:41, April 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the promotion, dude of the north. 01:48, April 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the promotion :). Flugsmith (talk) 21:32, April 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Sorry that I'm so late, lol AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 18:56, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Ayrenn and Beth Forums
Hey, first I want to ask you to take a look at my newest theory: KINMUNE might be Ayrenns Armor, not Ayrenn.

Also, I want to ask you if you are on the Bethesda Forums. I saw a user called Dovahsebrom there, who has the exact same Profile picture as you have. Is that you, or just a crazy coincidence? AngryEnclaveSoldier (talk) 18:59, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Don't add
Hi Dova... please don't add "pagename is a book in online" when creating book articles. This was dropped a long time ago as it's not necessary. 07:13, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Delete tag
Don't bother adding deletion tags on Jigsaw's vandalism edits. Just report it to the sysops @ TES:VIP and pretend it does not exist. You just give him more fuel to vandalise more. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 16:21, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

Funny lore pic
Take a look at this pic. It's funny as hell and true :D Pelinal Whitestrake (talk) 10:57, July 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Lol, yah I saw that pic before, I don't remember where though. Dovahsebrom (talk) 17:25, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Michael Kirkbride Page
Dova, I've semi-protected it now. Go ahead. 21:04, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

New usergroup
Hey Dovah, I just wanted to let you know that we have gotten the new Forum Moderator rights, & I have already given them to you, the new user group can be seen here. Ȼǿᵰᵮẽᵲ ₲ħǿśᵵ Ⱥᵰᵾᵬĭᵴ  Đẽẽᵭᵴ 12:42, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just want to add, it seems the new rights don't work yet, have you checked? Wikia support has told me "it does seem to be missing the 'highlight' and 'close' options, so something is indeed wrong". "there isn't much I can do about this at the moment except advise waiting for the forum rights overhaul that we're planning." So in the mean time we can just wait. EbonySkyrim   Message!   21:03, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

Thread
Ebony says very clearly in the thread's OP that the thread will be closed as soon as it derails into a flame war, so I did. And I'd rather like to have the agreement of Ebony or Ghost before reopening it. Pelinal Whitestrake (talk) 22:11, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Probable Sockpuppet
Alright Dova, I'll look into it asap, thanks. -- EbonySkyrim  Message!   11:13, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Probable Sockpuppet
Hey Dovah, I was reading up on this thread & came to the same conclusion as you did about the four accounts being all the same person. I have went ahead & blocked all four accounts on grounds of sock-puppetry. Good job remaining vigilant on the forums & point this out to Ebony. If you see similar questionable behavior on the forums like this again, don't be afraid to drop me a TP message about it & I will respond as promptly as possible. Ȼǿᵰᵮẽᵲ ₲ħǿśᵵ Ⱥᵰᵾᵬĭᵴ  Đẽẽᵭᵴ 18:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

re: page
Noted. However, I would advise citing a different wiki as a source, it may have been appropriate to cite an actual official website like Bethesda's blog or the steam page itself. --Sajuuk talk 20:53, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Forum Spam
Hi sorry to be a bother but theres some spam on the forums could you have a look and see if your ok with removing it. They're here (ignore my post its this list) here and here, and this thread needs a little tidy up at the end (also this and this should probably be in the Skyrim section and theres a few others dotted around). Thanks. AzuraKnight (talk) 12:29, February 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to jump in, the first three links have been reported to VSTF and will be removed shortly. --Sajuuk talk 12:38, February 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep the three are gone thanks Sajuuk. AzuraKnight (talk) 20:15, February 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * A possible flamebait post just appear here and some more of that Vamp scam was at the end of this thread. Sorry to be a pain again. AzuraKnight (talk) 12:37, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Vampire spam reported to VSTF. In future, it is better that if you see those spammy posts, to go to VSTF Wiki as local moderators won't be able to stop them.
 * And AES (Pelinal Whitestrake) already got the flamebait post. I should also note that Dovahsebrom is not as active as other moderators, so won't see messages until after the event. :) --Sajuuk talk 13:46, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Addition of an Unknown Developer Text
Hey.

As long as its noted that the information is from an unknown source, then I don't see why not. We should talk about finding a way to discern the author, but that can wait. So short answer, yes, you can add the text to that list.

As for the french info. My concern is translation. The editors working on one of the abandoned elder scrolls wiki are having to rewrite what little they have because it was run through Google translate and it doesn't come in clear. If it is french, the best thing to do is either find an English translation, or somebody who can translate it for us while fixing grammar problems found during translation. I believe Emperor Jarjarkine knows French, so he may be able to help with this. As long as the text is developer texts, and is clearly translated, again I find no problem with adding it.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 04:40, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Dwemer Redlinks
Hey Dovah. Awesome job on all the lore pages on the wiki, I really would say you are the Loremaster lol. I know you are very busy with lore pages and such, but me and CCC were wondering if you could help create the pages that are marked as redlinks on Dwemer. This would really help cleanup the page, as it is nominated for Featured Article. If you could help out it would be great.

Thanks. — AutoBlood  Talk  02:40, February 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for checking it out. I told CCC and I'm sure they will just be removed.


 * Thank you. — AutoBlood  Talk  03:09, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Moderator template quote
Hey, I hope all is well.

It has been noted that the templates for Patrollers and Moderators have the same quote from the hold guards. I figured that the moderators might want their own quote. So if you guys come up with a quote you would prefer, it is easy to change. let me know if you come up with something.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:37, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Links
Thought I'd let you know, I edited a couple of your posts on the forum to fix some links (that was all I did, I didn't change anything else). Hope you don't mind. Editing other people's messages is something I really hate doing, sorry about that. The article is going to be deleted so I need to get rid of redlinks on the wiki. :P —Atvelonis (talk) 20:34, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

A chat sometime
Hey Dovah, I want to talk to you about some lore/wiki stuff on chat, so if you have the time could you message me when you are free? Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 01:25, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Loremasters Guild, Assemble!
Hi. I'm taking the initiative and trying to get the loremaster guild started. First of our goals should be finding a place where we could discuss and forge plans and policies regarding to the lore content on the Wiki.

I'd prefer a separate platform, like Skype, Steam, TeamSpeak, anything other, really, if you've got other suggestions. Different time zones might be an issue for instant conversation, so we might as well simply dedicate a page in somebodies userspace for our discussions.

So, whenever you're able, please let me know what form of communication would you prefer.

Ikabite (talk) 05:59, April 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Dovah, thought I should let you know I finally got around to creating a page on the wiki for the lore guild. Shawn has left the wiki which is rather unfortunate for the guild, however Timeoin has offered to fill in for him, so I am still confident this will work. So when you are ready you can add yourself to the list. I'll leave it to you guys to decide who is going to be the guildmaster and what you want to focus on first. —Atvelonis (talk) 18:49, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Sload page
☞ Rim < Talk 06:01, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Regarding Correct Arena Audio Files
The Lich sound i corrected before is already the same as the link you gave me, the funny fact is that i saw the exact same link to correct the Lichs sound :)

About the others, well i can say you're right.

I get them from the Arena game directory and i saw that they've all been labeled with each creatures name, but the greatest mistake i made is that i didn't check them all..... i only rename all the ones whose sound i remembered.

Anyway THX alot Dovah for reminding, and i apologize to you for this T_T

I'll go and try to fix them up tommorow

Hbxn (talk) 17:38, May 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * You might want to check the link you sent me to fix the Lich again buddy ;)


 * Hbxn (talk) 07:54, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Compare the Liches voice in the video and the one i've corrected, have you even heard the Liches voice from the video you linked me ?
 * As a side note, I never heard the Liches voice actually other than from the video since i haven't went to Dagoth ur yet in Arena, but i exactly remember the Goblins voice since they're almost in every dungeon, and it's nowhere near the voice of the liches voice. Just compare the Liches and the Goblins.
 * Hbxn (talk) 06:16, May 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Are you sure....? If you hear this http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:LICHres.ogg  on the Lich Page and you still confuse this with the goblin's  voice : http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:Goblinres.ogg
 * ..... then i just don't understand what the hell is going on.
 * But if you're hearing this http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/File:Goblinres.ogg  noise when you see the lich's page, then i think that there might be some Technical problem, if this is the case, i'll ask one of the Admin if you want :)
 * Hbxn (talk) 19:48, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Help needed?
Hey,

I know you and the other mods do what you can, but I have also noticed we have lost a few mods in the last weeks. If there anything the admins can do to help? You guys do a great job and I would hate to see you get burned out and leave.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:14, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Re: King (Arena)
THX For reminding :)

Hbxn (talk) 16:40, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Lore Guild
Hey, I was told there's that guild thing going on, and on a little discussion your name came out, and I was suggested to talk to you about joining the Lore Guild. May I?--Gobi-Aoi (talk) 18:25, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * The Akaviri men/Tsaesci issue is a nebulous one, but I suppose we can treat them as separated races and only change if they're confirmed to be the same. Also, I wanna join in, then x3 I really like lore stuff, and TES has some of the best lore I've seen in fictional worlds.--Gobi-Aoi (talk) 03:42, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. And about the Akaviri/Tsaesci thing, agreed.--Gobi-Aoi (talk) 03:50, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Totem
Alright, I've deleted the duplicate page now. Thanks for telling me. Happy editing! —Atvelonis (talk) 19:02, June 7, 2015 (UTC)

*Lamia*
What do you mean Lamias are not Medusas! They both have the upper body of a woman and the lower half of a serpent. Besides, it doesn't change the fact that the Iron Golem page states they are known as "Iron Atronach" in Daggerfall! (Iron Golem page was not edited by me by the way.) AJ Boomer (talk) 00:13, June 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for fixing that image on the new page I added - "Lamia (Online)"! I been trying to figure out how to fix that problem. And just forget about the argument for the difference between medusas and lamias!


 * AJ Boomer (talk) 17:44, June 24, 2015 (UTC)AJ Boomer


 * Yes, but I was trying to make my point that the true myth of Medusa has her depicted with snake hair, not the lower body half of one! Maybe we should Bethesda Softworks or Zenimax Online Studios to confirm it. Medusas and Lamias being the same creatures may not be true, but they may not be false either, so it is currently questionable.


 * AJ Boomer (talk) 18:03, June 24, 2015 (UTC)AJ Boomer

Collaborative project
Hey Dovah, I was looking over some of our Morrowind-related lore articles (of which there are rather many) and it occurred to me that perhaps the lore guild and Morrowind guild could do a collaborative project to fix all of them... if you are up for it. Articles such as Morrowind for example have a lot of sort of incorrect statements which I know nothing about, but yourself and the Morrowind guild surely do. Would you be interested?

Also, in case you haven't heard already we are planning a weekly "moot" to discuss issues and suggestions and all that. Get some input from the community. Considering you are the de facto leader of the lore guild, I would very much appreciate it if you came to them (the first one is this Saturday at 8pm Eastern), I'm sure you could offer some helpful advice. Happy editing! —Atvelonis (talk) 16:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * That's good to hear, those articles have been out of shape for far too long. I'm sure we can throw around some ideas at the moot. And I've deleted those unauthored texts now, thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:39, June 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, side note, two more of the articles you've built up a lot have been nominated for Good article: Alessian Empire and Dragon Break. Additionally, Sload has been nominated for featured article. Excellent work. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:44, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

To Dovahsebrom
Dovahsebrom, I have never found a need for a wiki account, therefore I recently had to create one. Even though i have a lack of merit, i have spent much of my freetime readying and learning TES lore, and have a working knowledge of the lore, meta physics, religions, history, culures, etc. of the world. I would love to help aid you in your endeavor to build on the universes lore. I have quite a bit of free time ( thanks to frequent insomnia and a mild caffine problem ) and could be dedicated to aiding this attept to build the lore. I've spent most of my adult life on TES, not to mention my childhood. I hope i could prove to be a valuble mamber to the Guild if you were to allow me to join the Team Lore Guild.

SilvenarGreen (talk) 05:19, July 24, 2015 (UTC)SilvenarGreen

SilvenarGreen (talk) 05:16, July 24, 2015 (UTC) SilvenarGreen

Dovahsebrom, Thank you for the abiltity to eventually possible join the guild. I would love to help but im at a loss of where to start. It would be extremly helpful if you can send me a small list of articles you think i should work on, if its not to much to ask.

SilvenarGreen (talk) 23:40, July 24, 2015 (UTC)SilvenarGreen

All-Maker
Hey Dovah, someone added the All-Maker from Dragonborn to the Nordic Pantheon on the Deities template. Does it really fall under this category? It is worshipped by Nords, but only certain Nords, and not in conjunction with the other Nordic deities... so I'm doubting it should be there. However, I would like your input on this before I make any changes. Thanks. Happy editing! —Atvelonis (talk) 20:07, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Lore Guild
Can I join the lore guild? …

Not all Nedes are Atmorans, but the Atmorans are Nedes. Nede covers all the "Proto-Human" races, so it is not so mcuh that the Atmorans and Nedes are seperate, but that the Atmorans are a barnch of Nedes, as are the Yokudans.

HonrichOfJerall (talk) 16:10, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Very well then, i shall reverse my work in regards to this as best i can.

HonrichOfJerall (talk) 17:51, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

can i join the team lore guild please?

Imperial Sewers
Just wondering, did you have any questions about anything regarding the new Imperial City, or in particular, the sewer system? If you did, if you ask here, they might respond to it, maybe. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 02:01, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox
Hey Dovahsebrom. I know you've been putting all your work on future article rewrites on your profile, but I figured I should suggest that you put it all on your sandbox. A link to create it can be clicked on here. There's not much of a reason, but it's just so that you can keep your personal info and article info completely separate, and so that when people look up a link on Special:WhatLinksHere, they'll know you're linking something in your sandbox rather than your user profile. Anyways, it's just a suggestion, but do whatever you feel is right.

Cheers. ☞ Rim < Talk 03:46, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Question
Hey there Dovah. I just wanted to ask if you know if the two red links on this Civil War disambiguation page are actually real civil wars. According to a search of the UESP, there is just a random vague mention of an Atmoran civil war (I mean, really vague "There was a civil war" or words like that) and apparently nothing of a civil war in Hammerfell. If we could confirm if these civil war's are true, it would be quite helpful if the edit that created the disambiguation should be reverted or not. --Sajuuk 18:46, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's most helpful for the stuff surrounding the disambig I linked. :D --Sajuuk 12:31, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Fa-Nuit-Hen
Hey Dovahsebrom, I need some help with the Fa-Nuit-Hen page. I've added information I derived from the 36 Lessons of Vivec and his in-game dialogue, though I can't quite understand all of it. Like the 36 Lessons, much of his information is "obscure", and if you could word it differently and add the info to the page, that would be helpful. Other information on the Demiprince can be found on Tutor Riparius and the Memory Books (1, 2, 3). There's some interesting stuff, so I think it will be valuable information to the wiki. Thanks in advance. ☞ Rim < Talk 06:39, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Nir
Hey, is Nir something big enough to qualify for its own article? There's a bit about it in Enantiomorph and bits about it in a couple of texts here and there, but I don't know enough about it to make a decision. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:50, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

Reman Empire and Muatra
Hey Dovahsebrom. I've noticed you rebuilt the Reman Empire, so here's a fishy stick for your hard work:

I added a "Legacy" section, but I wanted to know if the Interregnum Imperial Legion in would be considered part of the Reman Empire.

Also, in Foul Murder, a picture of Vivec thrusting his spear through Nerevar is seen. I wanted to know if this could be an eligible photo of Muatra.

Thanks in advance. ☞ Rim < Talk 16:43, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Chat
Hey Dovah you mind coming on chat sometime? Something quick I wanted to ask you. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:42, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Reman
I just noticed you completely fixed up the Reman Empire page. The last time I saw it, it was baaaaaaaad. Great job man! Wulfharth (talk) 15:38, October 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, read it last night and it was such a good read. Fantastic work Dovahsebrom :D

Interview Proposal
Hey Dovah, Madman97 here. You've been on my list of people to interview for some time, but for a loremaster like yourself, I wanted to do something special. I don't know if you're the interviewing type or not, so I want to propose something more of a lore discussion. Atvelonis and Gold3nFire recommended I do so but I wanted to see if you were into it first. One question I usually ask other users is a simpe lore question: Where did the Dwemer go? Of course, I get varied answers, but I wanted to propose an idea that we could chew on and I would love to hear your opinion. How it would work is I give you the original idea and my supporting data, you respond, I ask something based on the answer, you respond again, bing bang boom, we have a Lore discussion! It's an idea I wanted to discuss with someone at length for a long time and I would love it if you were that user.

Madman97 (talk) 20:06, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if you've been active or not, but if you don't want too, you can say no so I can move down to the next person instead, but I would really be appreciative if you did this. I want to take everyone's mind off of this new Sajuuk debacle and wiki politics related gab and do something fun.

Madman97 (talk) 00:11, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Basically, I ask you a question on your talk page, you leave your response on my talkpage. From that I fashion an entire "talk show" scenario, where the dialogue remains the exact same as you have written but everything else is played up, in the context of which you were speaking, of course. It's a good bit of fun! However, this is a special case, where once you answer my questions, I will ask another based on the answers you gave me. So, if you choose to accept, please take the time to answer these questions below and I will get back to you immediatley! If not, a simple "pass" would be appreciated.

1) You were recommended to me--not that I was not already planning on it--by other users who spoke highly of your knowledge in lore. I myself must bow to it. So you were the man of choice when I said I wanted to do a lore-focused interview about something that I have offered up from my theory blogs: The gist of the theory was that Peryite was a black sheep within his race of Daedra that seemed off to me, and by doing further research into his character, I have found that he is quite fond of the "Natural Order" of the world. For the full analysis of this fact, see the link below:

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Madman97/The_Peryite_Theory

Later, I noted maybe Peryite is more than the office dragon the Daedra seem keen on keeping locked away down in the Pits. What if Peryite is in fact one of the most powerful beings in the Elder Scrolls universe?

I will go over the main points of the next theory blog I did (though don't expect as much detail).

a) Question of Peryite's motives: He seems fond of the "Natural Order and the Hard Truth," something that could be considered noble, though he is listed as truly evil? Something is afoot.

b) The Pits are where Peryite makes his home, as do all the lesser daedra apparently. One has to think how lesser, and also think, All of them? If he's a powerful power hungry bloke, why doesn't he use all the lesser daedra to invade other planes? Because maybe he controls much of what goes on in Oblivion already.

C) Contradicting the last point, the other Daedra could have forced the job on him, making him the least of all Princes. That could be an indication they fear him, as they did Jyggalag when he was growing too powerful, and they cursed him to be something he didn't want to be: Could be the same case with Peryite. And since he is so fond of the Natural Order of things, one could assume this meant that him being cursed to maintain it would say something about the other Princes that cursed him (which in turn also gives me the idea that if Peryite really was cursed to be something he DIDN'T WANT, then perhaps he really doesn't give a damn about Natural Order, does he? Still, that would indicate he was once powerful and even still is).

D) I go into some depth about Arniel Gaine's experiment with the warped soul gem and the science of convection, and I wanted to show that it was actually a success! If Lorkhan's heart worked the same way, with the Heart being the Rheid and the Numidium being the convector to heat it up to at least 100 million Kelvin, with some magic added in it could be the exact same procedure, but a far more potent result, granting us a clue as to where the Dwemer actually are. How Peryite ties into this is that I think Peryite was behind Dagoth Ur's Blight scheme (him being the Prince of Pestilence and likes to spread disease amongst mankind, and manipulated events so that the Nevervarine could ensure the balance of the world was still kept).

It's a mind bender, and I recommend you read this to go over the finer details to see if it checks out: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Madman97/The_Peryite_Theory_(Part_2)!

So basically, the only question I really want to ask you is your opinion on it and where Peryite stands in the order of things (no pun intended). Is he really a powerful Daedra (I think that would make for an excellent turnaround for a Daedra we know next to nothing about aside from the few distinguishable details)? Is he a wuss? Or how about the Arniel Gaine observation? Do you think the Dwemer simply melded into the Numidium's skin or were they sent farther than they ever could have hoped or wanted to places no mortal was ever meant to reach...The Pits perhaps?

Anyway, I would love a loremaster's opinion.

--Madman97 (talk) 01:54, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

It's no problem :). However, off the record, what did you think of it? Passable or no?

Madman97 (talk) 15:14, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Magne-Ge Pantheon Images
Hey Dovah, I was going through Special:UnusedFiles just now and saw a few images that Mister Serpent uploaded which were apparently from the Magne-Ge Pantheon text (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). Do you want to incorporate those into that article somewhere or should I just delete them? —Atvelonis (talk) 04:25, October 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. Also, on a similar note, C0DA is referenced in the Landfall article so shouldn't it documented on the wiki somewhere? I know there's a lot of controversy regarding it but if we aren't going to document it here, then we probably shouldn't have any references to it, right? —Atvelonis (talk) 01:35, October 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Would we want to add an actual copy of the text to the wiki too? I know UESP hasn't, so that would put us a step ahead of them at least. —Atvelonis (talk) 05:15, October 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * For better or for worse, I've created an article for C0DA. I honestly don't understand its contents remotely enough to write a good summary about it... you or Shawn would have to do that (in a sandbox, it's sysop-locked for obvious reasons, and I'll add that when you're done). —Atvelonis (talk) 23:14, October 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think that what The Imperial Library documents should control what we have on our site. I could add a more detailed note at the beginning talking about the canonicity if that's what you're worried about? —Atvelonis (talk) 12:18, October 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I've given it some thought and I think I'd be okay with settling with just a summary on the wiki with a link to the actual website. While I like Kirkbride's texts a lot I do see what you're saying. I'm not sure about what I want to do with the Landfall page though... it's something people will be looking up for sure and I like our wiki being the place people go to for lore info, but then again if we aren't fully documenting C0DA then Landfall becomes a bit of a gray zone. I'll figure that out eventually I guess. If you can write out a summary in your sandbox or something I'll replace the text with it when you're finished. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 06:08, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Lore Editing
Heya,

So I've been asked if in could help out with wiki writing and was told to coordinate with you being the lead lore writer. Hit me up and we can discuss things.

Reman Empire
So I was proofreading Reman Empire and one of the things that I noticed which don't understand is your use of the term "erfridder." In the "The Legend" section it reads, "The only known contemporary reference to a 'Hrol' outside of the legend is to a northern erfridder from Unsgrad who purportedly 'set out from lands beyond Lost Twil.'" My only guess is that it's a typo for "elfrider" or something. Could you clear this up for me? Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:17, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

Congrats!!
Hey Dovah!

I wanted to pop by and say a quick kudos on achieving Member of The Month! Thanks for all that you do for the wiki!

The Crusader of Truth (talk) 21:57, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Fourth Legion
So it was recently brought to my attention that the Fourth Legion has nothing at all to do with the Imperial Legion in Skyrim, and after doing some research I realized that that is correct so I completely revamped that article. If you don't mind, I'd love some insight from a loremaster on structure, coherence, relevance to the subject, etc.. I also plan on writing a similar article for the actual Blackwater War sometime soon but obviously it would be good if some of the blunders on the page I just wrote were worked out before I start another one. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 00:55, November 8, 2015 (UTC)

Years
Hey, how do we know what years dates like "2356 in the old way of reckoning" in Redguards, Their History and Their Heroes refer to in the standard timeline? Is there some key in a book somewhere that I've missed or what? —Atvelonis (talk) 17:05, November 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ohh, gotcha. Missed that. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 19:37, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

Lore
Hey Dovahsebrom!

I wanted to discuss with you about improving Lore. The page is largely undevolped, and I would love to help out with making it into a proper lore page! I'm not an expert at lore (far from it!) but I could likely help out a little bit. However, I'm not sure where to start off at - any ideas would be welcome!

Thanks!!

Discussions
Hey Dovah, I wanted to let you and Azura know what's going to be happening with the forums soon.

Wikia offered us a new feature called "Discussions," which currently are only really accessible through our mobile app; it's basically like a forum for mobile users. Right now these forums are essentially unmoderated, but we'll be working with Wikia to figure out how best to work with them. At the moment they are entirely separate from the wiki—you won't see anything from them on RecentChanges or in the Forum Activity.

However, Wikia has informed us that over the next few months we'll be working together to merge the forums and the discussions so that we won't have two at once (a bit redundant), and you and Azura will be able to moderate them effectively. I don't think the details have been decided yet but if you're interested it seeing how they work, check out the Fallout Wiki's app or look here (they and the Star Wars wiki have already agreed to it).

Since you and Azura are the forum moderators, you two obviously have an important say in the feedback we're going to give Wikia and how the feature is going to pan out, especially because it's in extremely early development. If you have any feedback you'd like to offer you're more than welcome to mention it. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:29, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Activity
Hey Dovah. There have been a lot of problems concerning staff activity lately (I wrote about this in my New Year's blog as well which you might want to read). A lot of staff—including yourself, I'm sorry to say—have not been keeping up with their duties. Your work with lore articles is fantastic and I'm glad you're here to build them up, but you have not been maintaining the forum as a forum moderator should. Azura seems capable of handling it himself, but his job would be made infinitely easier were someone else to help out as well. So I have to ask: are you still interested in remaining a forum moderator? Taking a break is fine, and I don't blame you for it, but as a staff member you're supposed to be keeping up with the wiki, and it doesn't look like you've done that for over a year. If you feel that you've lost interest in moderating the forum, just let me know.

Also, on a related note, do you have anyone in mind who could become a forum mod? Regardless of whether or not you remain one, we still need more. Azura doesn't seem to have any issue running things by himself but I don't want him to burn out or anything like that. So get back to me when you can. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:28, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

hey can i join the lore guild Sambos Chicken (talk) 11:19, January 29, 2016 (UTC) Sambos Chicken

Pelinal Whitestrake
Hey Dovah, Bronkiin and I were thinking of rewriting the Pelinal Whitestrake page, but we wanted to make sure you weren't already planning something for it before we got started (I dunno what you're working on). So if you are working on it, we'll hold off. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 18:06, February 6, 2016 (UTC)