Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-77.172.125.107-20130901100104/@comment-13446185-20130924035934

Nazul Rostello wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: Atmorans were barbarian themselves & brought the Dragon Cult with them, thus bringing the first conflict into Skyrim.

I think I remember hearing somewhere that the Dragon Cult of Atmora was much less brutal than the one set up in Skyrim, mostly because it wasn't until the Nords settled Skyrim that the Dragons began to exploit the Cult. Also the Dragon Cult wasn't the traditional Ancient Nordic Pantheon, it is as it says, a Cult. it gained power after Ysgramors death and eventually took over as the main authority and religion of Skyrim when Alduin went to Skyrim, the traditional ancient Nordic Pantheon has Shor as it's leader rather than Alduin.

Basically he sacrificed himself for the greater good, the same thing the Forsworn doing now, retaking the Reach from the Nords.

Sounds more like desperation to me, as Falion didn't even succeed. Do I still need to explain to you that the Forsworn Uprising never should have happened. the Reach is part of de jure Skyrim, the Forsworn didn't have to revolt, it isn't like the Nords were keeping any rights from them, they were as much citizens of the Reach as Nords were. But no the stupid Forsworn have to muck everything up and when they're rebellion gets put down they act like they're the victims. I mean really they forcefully took over the capital of the Reach, did they think that was going to end well? It was the Dragon Priests that made the ancient Nords "ruthless" to dominate Skyrim. I believe only Vahlok the Jailor was the good priest since he tried to stop Miraak but failed. Vahlok is compelled to swear an oath of vigilance to watch for the "Traitor" return. But Bethesda ruined it, I sort of wanted to see a rematch between Vahlok and Miraak.

The Nords were known to control the Reach for quite some time but they never seemed to be able to really impose their will over it. They officially owned most of the Eastern Reach since the First Era under the banner of the Empire but they only ever conquered it four notable times in history, once in the early First Era, twice in the Third era, and once in the Forth Era.

I understand that Nords were there first and Nords are the one who sired the Reachmen. But noted that the natives does not want to live under Nordic rule as much as the Stormcloaks does not want to live under the current Empire.

It was the Dragon Priests that made the ancient Nords "ruthless" to dominate Skyrim.

Source? You do realize that the Nords hunted down snow elves before the dragon priests were even in control of Skyrim. Plus why would the Nords become ruthless because of Dragon Priests, they hated those bastards.

I believe only Vahlok the Jailor was the good priest since he tried to stop Miraak but failed.

"In Atmora, where Ysgramor and his people came from, the dragon priests demanded tribute and set down laws and codes of living that kept peace between dragons and men. In Tamriel, they were not nearly as benevolent. It's unclear if this was due to an ambitious dragon priest, or a particular dragon, or a series of weak kings. Whatever the cause, the dragon priests began to rule with an iron fist, making virtual slaves of the rest of the population."

I was right, they were originally just rulers in Atmora.

They officially owned most of the Eastern Reach since the First Era under the banner of the Empire

Since the *Merethic Era and not always under the empire, Nords have ruled the Reach since the Dragon Wars.

but they only ever conquered it four notable times in history, once in the early First Era, twice in the Third era, and once in the Forth Era.

Your wrong, first of all the conquest of the Reach in the early First Era was the conquest of the Western Reach in the Skyrim conquests, unless you're referring to the whole "Red Eagle" event, which did not happened in the later first era.

Second of all, there was never any fighting over the Reach in the Third Era, if you are refering to Tiber Septim's battles, those happened at the end of the Interregnum near the closing of the Second Era, and still that would be considered only one conflict.

Third of all, all of these reclaimations were justified, as the Reach is a part of Skyrim.

But noted that the natives does not want to live under Nordic rule as much as the Stormcloaks does not want to live under the current Empire.

Yes, but the Stormcloaks have actual reasons to hate the empire as they outlawed the worship of Talos and the empire has become weak. The Reachmen have never been oppressed by the Nords (except when they break away of course) yet they rebel anyways.