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Nazul Rostello wrote: Dovahsebrom wrote: The reason why the Akavir joined Reman wasn't because of some mercy Reman showed them, they swore fealty to him because he was a dragonborn, and no leader in their right mind would say no to the loyalty of an army that crushed everything that got in it's way. I seriously doubt that Reachmen, being as stubborn as they are, would ever swear fealty to another kingdom.

"To make any bid at unifying the Colovian Estates, he needed to secure his northern border, where the Nords and Reachmen had been fighting for centuries"

-The Arcturian Heresy

This quote basically says that the Nords and Reachmen had been at war for centuries before Tiber reconquered the Reach (you know, with the Interregnum and all), if anything he brought peace to the region, not to mention the rest of Tamriel. Yes, Tiber united Tamriel by force, much like Alessia united the Cyrodillic slaves by force. The Nordic-Reachmen conflict may be old but the Nords isn't try to conquer the Reach before Tiber become their general. As for bringing "peace", it isn't permanent. The whole "Talos" thing have made Tamriel divided against each other. And the war with the Thalmor is an advantage for the Forsworn to regain control of the Reach since they oppose all othe political groups in the Reach.

P.S Alessia basically forced every Ayleid to leave Cyrodiil and massacred most of there population. There is no refrence at all to Tiber doing anything wrong to the Reachmen. The Ayleids tortured the human slaves before the Alessian Rebellion. Sercen & Vindasel are among the buildings they used to torture humans. The downfall of the Ayleid Empire was largely the result of their own mistreatment of their human slaves whom they provoked to rebel; same thing going to happen to the Nords. It's not that different with Tiber's conquest of the Reach are no better than the Ayleid enslavement of the Nedic tribes. The Nords banned the old gods and take away their old indigenous way of life. Nord's mistreatment caused the Reachmen to become what they are now, The "Madmen" of the Reach. The Nordic-Reachmen conflict may be old but the Nords isn't try to conquer the Reach before Tiber become their general.

The whole Nordic Reachmen conflict they are talking about is the one that went on due to the Interregnum. The reason none of the Nordic armies had tried to take the Reach was because none of the Nordic armies were big enough to take the Reach, Skyrim at the time was divided into small holds.

Plus it was Cuhlecain's idea to take the Reach, not Hjalti's.

'As for bringing "peace", it isn't permanent. The whole "Talos" thing have made Tamriel divided against each other.'

Well you can't really blame Tiber for that, that is 100% the Thalmor's fault.

The downfall of the Ayleid Empire was largely the result of their own mistreatment of their human slaves whom they provoked to rebel

My point was that Alessia wasn't some perfect hero, both Tiber and Alessia have done bad things.

It's not that different with Tiber's conquest of the Reach are no better than the Ayleid enslavement of the Nedic tribes

Very different actually as the Reachmen are never said to have been mistreated other than the taking away of the Old Gods which probably happened after the Markarth Incident (which i will admit was a stupid idea). This is alot different than enslaving an entire race for centuries.