User talk:ZhugeQuanqiang/Archive 2

Weak
"Titus Mede I didn't conquer back most of the Empire. He captured the Imperial City and the Elder Council put him on the throne as Emperor. In the game, the heavy Imperial culture and religion are the signs of the Imperialism influence on Skyrim.

Akaviri Invasions is too difficult to gauge. It is wrong because everytime it took efforts of Multiple Provinces to drive back the Akaviri.

Last recorded "war" it was the Nords of Skyrim invading Colovia and last I checked, the Nords joined Tiber Septim willingly. No records of the "Empire" invading Nords. Only said that after the Battle of Sancre Tor, the Nords swore allegiance to Talos and bolster his army.

If anything the Nords were among the first three to join the Empire and contributed to Tiber Septim's largely successful conquests.

Battle of Red Mountain: Last I check, Red Mountain was Morrowind not Skyrim and if Jurgen Windcaller is right, divine intervention was involved. Even then, the Nords were starting to break up from within at that time or it can be viewed as the Nords had spread too far out."

Read and. When Titus conqeured the Imperial City, only Cyrodiil and Skyrim were still part of it. And no it isn't, it's a sign of Nord adaption to the Empire, not Imperialism.

Doesn't disprove my point, notice how it were the Imperials who turned out succesful with the Akaviri Invasions? Read The Arcturian Heresy, just because a Nordic army backed Tiber Septim doesn't mean all of Skyrim did. Read Ice and Chitin as well while you're at it.

Doesn't matter, if they were as superior as you make them out to be, and they had the Voice, they shouldn't have lost. But they did, because only in overwhelming numbers can the Nords win. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 13:36, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Stop pestering me at my talk page. The Nords during the Red Mountain disaster was seen as a divine punishment for misusing the Voice. After that the Nords stopped using the Voice in war. Most of the defeats were done because they have stopped using the Voice.

As I stated it was not a singular race's effort to drive back the Akaviri invasions. It was collective efforts. I have not say the Nords are superior in anyway, I am just saying they are not as weak and useless as you make them out to be. Nords adaption, Imperialism influence, they produce more or less the same result just worded differently.

It is not "just because a Nordic army" taken from Pocket Guide to the Empire First Edition " TRAVELER: I found many of these mountain villages almost empty of young men, who have been seduced into joining Septim's army by promises of wealth and glory; the village elders see little hope of their sons ever returning."

Apparently it was not just an army. Tiber Septim had gained the trust of the Nords. It seems like you enjoy hurling insults at other people shows a complete lack of self-respect. I suggest you find help in real life immediately because that is your problem not mine and I don't owe you anything to deserve you bringing your personal issues to me. ZhugeQuanqiang (talk) 17:14, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Then stop spreading speculation on the forums and stop going off-topic. And if they need the Voice in order to win, that only proves how petty they are.

I don't make them out to be weak, as I said, they just need the numbers and to be invading. Also, Imperialism is totally different from adaption. Imperialism is forcing your ways down a nation's throat, adaption is accepting it yourself without being forced to do so.

"the village elders see little hope of their sons ever returning", aka, they will be dead. Also, a few villages =/= the armies of Skyrim.

I'm not even hurling insults, you're just going off topic in the forums and you're spreading misinformation. Just cut it. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 17:38, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Spies
It's simple. There's no mention of spies in the Thalmor Embassy, no records anywhere, so there simply aren't spies.

The burden of proof lies with you, not me. I can't prove a negative, but you need to prove a positive. Stop claiming there are spies in Imperial territory if you have nothing but illogical speculation to back it up. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 13:39, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

I don't need to prove anything. I am saying it is how things work between two nations preparing to wage war. They are spying at each other to find ways to weaken the other party in order to gain an edge in the upcoming war. Find the Thalmor Assassin proves that the Thalmor itself is both a foreign diplomacy and underground agency. It is not just the one. All interactions with the Thalmor, be it bloody or not proves that they are using espionage meaning using agents to gather information and spy on the Empire since the Thalmor in Skyrim was connected to Gissur, a Thalmor spy.

It's really simple if you empty your cup and realize that the Thalmor has been using espionage and subversion all along, its a given that they would have a lot of spies that has not been discovered yet. This alone place every single Thalmor agents regardless of rank a suspect of being connected to a spy or is a spy themselves.ZhugeQuanqiang (talk) 17:27, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

You are EXTREMELY annoying and I am telling you to stop pestering me whenever you lose your inner balance because you see an opinion that differs from yours. Also to stop imposing your own head canon of my opinions or what I said because I have clearly not stated the Nords are superior in anyway. I merely stated they weren't weak as stated by the Elder Scrolls Lore on Nords.

Preparing to take action...17:32, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * ZhugeQuanqiang, stop insulting Blademaster Jauffre. Blademaster Jauffre, ZhugeQuanqiang clearly doesn't want to debate the topic so stop leaving messages on his talkpage. I'm fine with you two debating a topic, but if you're going to throw things like "I suggest you find help in real life immediately because that is your problem not mine" around while Blademaster Jauffre hasn't insulted you in this thread at all, it crosses a line. If any one of you provocate eachother again, you will be blocked. Stop debating the topic, it clearly isn't going anywhere.—CarloV3r (talk) 17:40, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * He has been annoying me for a while and doesn't seem to know when to stop. I am sorry if I come across as rude, he's been testing my patience and my patience has completely wore off but I suppose I should make things extremely clear since a moderator is here.


 * I am not interested in creating a long list of debates on my talkpage. I have a life, I don't need anyone to clutter my Profile's Talkpage with ultra long essays of points taken from a fictional world.


 * In short, leave my profile page alone. You're crossing my comfort zone.ZhugeQuanqiang (talk) 18:23, March 24, 2017 (UTC)