Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-1600847-20161103125247/@comment-30317136-20161105174711

Ottoman Hold wrote:

YinyangElementofduality wrote: I can never understand how words can mean so much to you that you'll waste the effort to reply to my comment "Please watch your language" to me. It wasn't a reply, it's moderating. Foul language/degrading other users is against the rules here.

In addition, Jauffre is correct. If you're not discussing which side of the civil war, then you don't belong here, as it is off topic (also against the rules). Seriously why the two of you are so triggered by mere words that is so hollow and meaningless. Jauffre is just too sensitive. I was directing at both of them without truly looking at them at all as they kept talking on and on, re-using and re-worded the same points over and over again while talking down to each other. The problem is I did come to discuss about the Civil War except I am not superficial enough to limit myself to mere 2 sides of the Civil War.

I believe this game being so many years old people should have long reached the level where they realized long long ago that when you talk about Skyrim's Civil War like this topic is saying, there will be more than just a mere "Take your side! Stormcloak or Imperials" and limiting their perceptive to be as narrow as a frog who is trapped in a well and thus only know the sky that was permitted to be seen by the Well's perimeters.

Realistically when a Civil War breaks out, the people actively fighting will only be a minority. In fact the populace should be split into 5% actively participating, about 2~3% on each side which ever side you want to give bias favor, if you like Stormcloak you can claim it is 3% Stormcloaks, 2% Imperials, if you like Imperials you can give Imperials 3% or whatever you like, I don't care.

My point is, realistically; those actively participating in the Civil War regardless of their allegiance shouldn't be more than 5% of the entire population, while the remaining 95%, probably only half of them were supporting at a scale of vocal and in spirit while the other half only hope the fighting stops.

I believe that if the Dragonborn doesn't interfere, the Stormcloaks and Imperials will just turn into another Crowns and Forebears, except the Thalmor cannot wait until Skyrim is so weakened that they became a second Hammerfell during War of Bend'r-Mahk.

There are very strong indication from certain perspective. Seeing that the game does not progress the Civil War if the Dragonborn doesn't choose sides.

Why I don't believe the Thalmor can wait until Stormcloaks and Imperials becomes another Crowns and Forebears during War of Bend'r-Mahk is because Skyrim is not their only enemy, Cyrodiil had almost 30 years to recover, enough for 2 generations to overlap, they are likely to be stronger than they were during the Great War right now. Cyrodiil is also not committing on the Civil war or it would subjectively become a slaughter as Ulfric himself admits that the Stormcloaks couldn't withstand the full might of the Imperial Legion.

Don't forget Hammerfell most likely hates the Aldmeri Dominion. Maybe they'll hate the Empire, maybe they don't, I don't care about how they feel. They should know their true enemy is the Aldmeri Dominion.

Let's be frank, if you go by the map, Cyrodiil and Hammerfell alone are obviously larger than the Aldmeri Dominion. Cyrodiil can easily be bigger than Summerset Isles and Valenwood put together, it is also center of civilization and a pretty rich land. Hammerfell is just a 2.5X bigger version of Elsweyr. If the Thalmor leave this two alone for too long, they will be in trouble even if Skyrim weakens itself to Hammerfell's state during War of Bend'r Mahk. I haven't forgotten about High Rock.

In short, I find the Civil War a complete waste of time and is of no consequences if they have a powerful Dragonborn spending about 3 or 4 years building up a third faction from the non-government factions such as Companions, DB, College and Thieves Guild. If anything the Thalmor will be the ones stuck in a trap, they cannot ignore this force the Dragonborn builds up, they must take action against it or it will become a threat, but if they take action, they'll just cause these factions to pick up arms against the Thalmor and give them a reason to work together no matter how reluctantly against the Thalmor even if the DB have to help the Empire.

In addition, there is another perspective in the civil war; another angle where the people who lives in the times of Civil War where everything is in shortage and... I think if I keep going I will make some people's brain explode. I'll touch on other perspective once more people reaches this level.