Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-62.31.43.199-20140124070928/@comment-185.78.62.83-20160819125552

I actually believe, that there still is the sphere of Order, which answers only to Jyggalag, which makes Jyggalag still a Deadric Prince, even without his own Sphere of Oblivion, he'll be much more powerful than any other Daedra and should still be compared with the other Princes.

I think there's still a sphere of order, because of the Knights of Order, who are summoned by Jyggalags followers on the Shivering Isles. The knights are known for their "lack of original thoughts" and are believed to be some kind of mindless soldiers of Jyggalag. Interesting thing is though: All Daedra are able to betray their Princes, they act on their own free will or because they are bound to do so, which means, that a Daedric Prince is not in full control, even in his own sphere, despite being the unchallenged most powerful being in it.

The knights of order though are the excpetion to this, as they bound their existence to bring order. They wouldn't follow any other Prince or would never betray Jyggalag, the Prince of Order, because what they seek themselves is only order. Their loyalty would be in their nature.

Logical thing to say would be, that these soldiers would have been erased from existence by the other princes, but I do not believe that this is as simple as said. First, I would argue, that not all of the other 15 Princes would agree to that. (I'd even argue that Meridia has some sympathy for Jyggalag.) And as second point, I doubt that the knights can be easily defeated. They are maybe the most effective soldiers on all planes and realms. Emotionless, pure logical and unbreakable loyalty.

As a daedric Prince, I'd rather imprison them, too, just like their Prince. Though I even doubt, that it would be necessary to imprison them. With their Prince contained in the sphere of madness, as mad god, the primary goal of the knights would be to reestablish order, just as it has always been. And they'd try to achieve that through setting Jyggalag free.

But now to the main question: Where the hell are the knights, when the Greymarch isn't happening? They are summoned, aren't they? From where. Well, I'd guess it would be the Plane of Order, Jyggalags (true) realm, where the knights are awaiting his call.

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I highly doubt, that Jyggalag would be considered a "good" Deadra, if he'd be known by mortals. He brings order, yes. Mortals seek order, yes. But mortals only seek order, if there is some advantage for them in it.

Let's just take the situation from the Skyrim events, well, the situation before we arrive in Helgen or get captured. Argonia, not part of the Empire anymore, Hammerfall, too, left the Empire. Elsweyr divided into those loyal to the Empire and those serving the Dominion. Skyrim, stuck in an inner conflickt, that could errupt into a civil war at any moment. Morrowind a shadow of what it used to be.

The strongest united force is the Dominion. Yet it is far from strong enough to really defeat its opponents, it even has lost the last battle against the Empire and lost the Imperial city. And other minor losses it had to endure in Hammerfell, causing the Dominion to retreat back behind its own borders of Valenwood. (The reason for their campaign to stop is the number of their troops, they're spread too thin to hold the lines and keep the conquered regions.)

If Jyggalag would come this chaos, he'd bring order. But who exactly would be happy with that? Who would Jyggalag support, if he'd act like Daedric Princes do? The Empire? The Dominion? Argonia?

I guess, that Jyggalag would not be considered as evil, like Molag Bal, but also not as good Daedra like Azura. He'd be similar seen like Meridia. His primary goal would be something, all would agree on, but his methods and actions could be just as terrifying as Molag Bals.