Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-206.74.175.104-20151018163917/@comment-9062114-20160223182734

Shigeru Thalmor Slayer wrote: Zippertrain85 wrote:

I'm afraid since the White-Gold Concordat the Empire is already on the Aldmeri Dominion's side in this conflict, maybe they don't like them, but they do without a doubt carry their will, this is a fact. Just look at Skyrim, where they are banning the worship of Talos and arresting any critics of the Thalmor's regime. The Empire has been functioning as the muscle of the Aldmeri Dominion throughout the entire end of the Great War! Who arrested Ulfric in Markarth? Who was the one that captured the Ulfric, Ralof and Dovahkiin at the beginning of Skyrim? The Dominion's soldiers, no, the Empire. The White-Gold Concordat is a PEACE TREATY, not an alliance. I hope you know how peace treaties work and the terms of White-Gold Concordat don't state the Empire must carry the Dominion's will and if the Empire has been functioning as the muscle of the Aldmeri Dominion, we would see the Legion hunting down Talos worshipers instead of Thalmor Justiciars. And where is stated the Dominion's soldiers captured Ulfric, Ralof and Dovahkiin at the beginning of Skyrim? Hadvar told me a very different version of how Ulfric and his men were captured.

...I know that couldn't happen, it was a improbable scenario to show a point about the Dominion's control over Tamriel, which is quite large! I'm sorry, but I don't deal with "what if"s.

Great, now we know how it happened. Case closed, Dwarven Technology is also powerful :P Never underestimate the power of technology.

What were those reasons, again? Hammerfell was just as weak as the Dominion after the Great War. If they could do it, how is a unified Skyrim unable to simply resist the Dominion, as some Imperials have tried to say!? Is Hammerfell alone greater than The Empire (including Hammerfell), really? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense I'm going to say again: Hammerfell only won because the Empire weakened the Dominion so much during the battle of Red Ring + the deadly home-field advantage the Redguards had + the fact the Redguards put their civil war on hold and fought together. If Hammerfell was some shining example that Skyrim can defeat the Dominion, the Empire would have won the Great War in the first place.

Now, what has been resorted to is repeating the same incorrect information over and over again. Pretty much Restoration is a school of magic, and those things that are found in the water by Dawnstar are boats. I've already explained how Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are weakened by gameplay mechanics, this went right over your head (no offense). Hell, look at the access of weapons and minerals that the Stormcloaks have in Skyrim. Ebony, Dragonbone, Iron, Skyforge Steel, those are some pretty heavy hitters in the armor department (Skyforge Steel having backing from lore even). And last time I checked Moonstone and Malachite weren't that much above Iron or Steel. Even though they're low in the game, they are actually pretty good and hard. That battle maiden used healing arts, right. But that was magic or healing potions? When I say ships, I say battle ships, not fishing boats. And it doesn't matter if Skyrim has plenty of different kind of metals, most Nords only know to work steel.

Plus, the Nords have a reputation as warriors using those supplies. I doubt they're as weak as you claim they are. I never said Nords are weak, but Nords alone can't defeat the Dominion. The Empire let's the Dominion do it, not standing in their way at all, as someone had stated here by doing that they had just sacrificed a huge amount of their autonomy. The Emperor should not have signed the Concordat, the theory of peace was logical by the way he went about it was something that has damaged Tamriel and given the Thalmor an extremely strong foothold in the Empire's territories. Hence, the Stormcloak rebellion.

And I said the IMPERIAL SOLDIERS captured Ulfric and Ralof, not the Dominion! Maybe I should have worded myself better

If Hammerfell could do it, imagine what the whole Empire could've done to them if they continued, or just threatened to continue. It could've changed the whole political landscape and prevented so much needless suffering and bloodshed in the glorious empire today. Talos' Empire has been reduced to nothing more than pawns of a bigger game, they are better than that, I know they are! Perhaps if they just negotiated the White-Gold concordat more they would've been able to keep their ability to worship Talos in place, and avoided having Thalmor soldiers roaming around their province arresting innocent people!

Just something to consider is all...