Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-26213507-20150715194939/@comment-26356342-20150908222854

Diinfothur wrote: The problem about the whole civil war thing is that we don't know a lot of things for sure... Like:

- We don't know who the Dragonborn would have sided with canonically.

- We don't know who is supposed to win.

- We don't know if Ulfric is just a greedy, racist and power-hungry nord.

- We don't know if Ulfric is honorable and honest like his stormcloaks say.

I'm not really sure about Ulfric being soooooo bad, I think he's bad... But that Galmar is worse in my opinion. Theres a gray area between the lines... The Dragonborn being involved isnt going to change much honestly, as every hero disappears once their adventure is over. For the DB I imagine Herma mora will come to claim his new DB as a means to "get them out of the picture".

"supposed to win" is more or less what we're discussing here, there is no real right or wrong answer, but speculation based on lore, in game evidence and pure logic, we are able to make a few guesses. Bethesda can, at anytime, throw a wrench into the whole thing by claiming things like "morrowind wins it's war with blackmarsh, and joins forces with the Stormcloak rebellion, pushing the Empire out of Skyrim" or something equally silly, like the Numidium falling from time and breaking nirn.... *cough*

I'd say Uflric is a mix of everything you described, He's honorable in that he has a code he follows, he's a nord who follows the old traditions, he believes himself to be right and thus, challenges anyone who says he's wrong. That doesnt really make him "power hungry" in the conventional sense, but he definitely is willing to kill (as we saw with Torygg) in order to raise his station to a higher power in order to force the world to see his way.

It's kinda all subjective... Is Ulfric really racist for segregation of dunmer and argonians within his city, or is he protecting them from each other due to the conflict going on in morrowin right now? To an Argonian not allowed within the city, it'd seem really racist, but to a hold guard, perhaps its viewed as safety.

I will agree tho, I hate Galmar for more than I dislike Ulfric. dude is always talking about shoving swords in gullets as a means to solve all his problems.