Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-27007772-20140721212839/@comment-9062114-20140723043347

Deyvid Petteys wrote:

SuperSajuuk wrote: Deyvid, I am sick and tired of you sysops CONSTANTLY preaching about editing the wiki, when you do NO such thing yourselves. Why do you constantly tell everyone else to edit when the most you sysops do is post in CT's and tell users off?

It's really quite rude and insulting that you expect everyone else to do your work. The ONLY sysop I see actively editing mainspace is Ebony and I applaud her effort, but no other sysops seem to bother. Stop telling others to do things you are not doing yourself.

Also, stop this bullcrap that sysops cannot be promoted if they don't edit mainspace, you have blogs, chat and forums that need attention that most of you refuse to give, why can't someone be a sysop if they only contribute to the forums? It's insincere and downright demeaning. There are probably several users here who would make good sysops, but are forbidden from being so because of stupid policies. I have contributed to this wiki more than most users ever have and ever will, over the course of several years. Yes, my activity as of late has been less than favorable. Sorry that I have a full-time job and a boyfriend and bills to pay. Yes, I plan to continue editing the wiki. At present, I am stabilizing myself financially, so that I can play ESO and add articles related to that game. I have done so much for this wiki, editing not only the mainspace, numerous templates, and categories, but I concocted almost the entire style guideline as well as the vast majority of the policy pages and help pages. Without that, the wiki would be severely lacking in structure, consistency, and style. I do not mean to imply that my bureaucratic tools should remain simply because of past contributions, and I bring this up, because I have foresight enough to know that I will be accused of that.

To answer your final point, I believe that anyone given sysop tools or "promoted" as you call it should be well-rounded. Since they are given a great deal of responsibility, they should be fluent with all or most of the wiki's aspects. Many of the sysops did not desire the inclusion of blogs or the forum or the chat in the first place. Originally, we used IRC, which allowed for users to be given sysop tools that were not connected to the wiki. And, personally, I feel that the mainspace is far more important than periphery namespaces such as blogs and fora. Blogs, fora, and chat are useful for building the community, but not necessary. They are, in my eyes and I'm sure the eyes of the other admins, to only be useful insofar as they assist with and encourage contributions made to the mainspace. "Ever will"? Not entirely true, though you have done good things for this Wiki, it's not as if a user can't contribute as much if they so choose to, just clearing that up since that statement might be interpreted wrong.

That kind of logic Deyvid, I'm afraid is why Sysops are getting criticized. Why exactly is the Mainspace "more important", because it was the first thing? Does that mean it is more important, I do not think so. The Forums, Chat, Blogs, etc, has gotten a lot more popular and becoming parts of the site that are just as, if not more notable than the mainspace. Keeping this attitude that the Mainspace is the most important and deserves all the attention and praise likely will lead to the fall of this Wiki, since constantly focusing on just the Mainspace even though other parts of the site are expanding will just cause people to leave, not join the Mainspace. In addition, a lot of users on here do truly value the Forums, Blogs, and Live Chat, why should those be ignored because a few Admins don't think they are as important?

You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think it's fair all users who use those parts of the site should need to suffer for this at all.