Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-50.10.177.94-20130209065558/@comment-6685058-20130224031226

Equillibrium wrote: there is no septim dynasty, every single septim died, martin septim was the last one. right now titus mede's "dynasty" is in charge, or at least, figureheading, the empire. ulfric doesnt want the empire, he just wants skyrim free and clear of it. its the thalmor that are really pulling the strings here, no one is really understanding that. black marsh is just not strong enough, they have no standing army and after invading and being pushed out of morrowind, they are weaker than ever. Tell me what source/ book/ page on this wikia or whatever says that the Dark Elves pushed back the Argonians (who were the most sucessful in the Oblivion Crisis, forcing the Daedra to close their own gates in some areas because the Argonians had pushed them so far in their own plane). I was under the impression that they swarmed over Dark Elves. Logic dictates that they have a standing army regardless if they won over the Invasion of Morrowind (the Dark Elves by the way weakened by the Red Mountain Crisis, many of their cities were toasted). I definately agree though that the Thalmor are pulling almost if not all the strings here. In the Thalmor Embassy in the quest Diplomatic Immunity you can find a journal of the Thalmor torturing Ulfric, and how they made him believe he helped bring Imperial City down, though Imperial City was taken after he was broken.