Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-72.74.78.209-20141019230536/@comment-17114085-20150113113944

Kreetin Jeebie wrote: OK this is what I got from playing through the Civil War & talking to a lot of people in game. No body in the Empire support the Thalmor or the treaty. Most if not all still secretly warship Talos & are only using the treaty to build up an Army behind the Thalmor’s back so they can come up & Stab them in the back when the time is right. Plus Ulfric was Broken by the Thalmor & is their puppet even if he doesn’t realize it. You find that out when you are snooping around the Embassy.

General Tullius tells you the Empire is biding their time until they can catch the Thalmor with their pants down & wipe them out. Plus if you kill Ulfric before the final fight with Alduin He is in Sovngarde & talks about how he almost ruined Skyrim with his war. He Prolly only lets the Dragonborn join his army for the power. Ulfric fighting to warship Talos is a good one but he is going about it all wrong & is short sited He is doing what the Thalmor want him to do. The problem is that they are not building an army behind the Thalmor's back, the Thalmor is fully aware. They are the ones that are going behind the Empire's back and crippling it by helping to cause Civil Wars and other revolts (Tullius said that he had put down many revolts before the Civil War). They are the ones that are kidnapping citizens and thinking or schemes to end the Empire before the war even starts, and they are succeeding so far. The Empire only has High Rock, Cyrodiil and half of Skyrim. Depending on the outcome of the Civil War they will lose another province. High Rock also seems to be quiet, which is odd. And Ulfric has sent a request for an Alliance with the Bretons, which leads us to believe that at least some in High Rock agree with him that the Empire is a puppet of the Thalmor.

Also, you are incorrect. Ulfric never says that. What he does say in Sovngarde is that he shouldn't have fought his war now, as the deaths caused by it only helped feed Alduin's power. He never said that he ruined Skyrim with his war. He just said that he regretted the timing of his Civil War. But you can't really fault him for that, as his Civil War was a part of the prophecy of Alduin's return. He had to start it in order for Alduin to return.