User talk:Blademaster Jauffre

Re:Amaund Motierre
Hey Blademaster,

I added an image for you on the page. It's not much but the images I've been using for the city pages I've made recently are what the wiki has. So I don't go looking for images from in-game. The image I got for Motierre was something I got from a quick google search. So sorry for the terrible quality and a lack of images. At the very least, it's a start of something more. Sorry again for a lack images. --Vincentius1 (talk) 11:48, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

"Biased Nonsense"
1. The Talos Mistake says that Talos isn't an Imperial God, just a man, so even your claims of saying it's an Imperial deity is refuted by the Empire itself. The Nords still consider Talos a Nord god, as said by Nords Arise!.

2. Children of the Sky says that the dragon shouts is an essential part of Nord culture and used in war and to settle debates for centuries. Hell, if the The Greybeards says that Jurgen Windcaller claims that his philosophy is favored by the gods because ironically he defeated all his detractors in duels using dragon shouts, why is Ulfric's case where he won a duel using a dragon shout being held to a different standard? Any true nord would acknowledge his victory should be proof enough that he and his cause is favored by the gods as well. Some even claim, like the Blades, that the Greybeards philosophy is a bunch of bs.

That's why it's a bunch of biased nonsense.

Before you accuse me of being biased, I wrote a lot of things on this wiki that didn't put Ulfric or the Stormcloaks in a flattering light but I did it because it happened in the game. You on the other hand, are only looking to write pro-Imperial puff pieces and anti-Stormcloak hatchet jobs when the wiki should be about the facts.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 03:51, December 26, 2016 (UTC))

Imperial Legion article
Hey Blademaster,

I'm adding an appropriate infobox to the article in question, there's a couple of fields that have to be filled for which I honestly don't know the correct info. Since you're the expert on the subject, do you feel like taking a look at it? Thanks, —CarloV3r (talk) 13:57, December 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Nice job, thanks.—CarloV3r (talk) 17:00, December 26, 2016 (UTC)

Markarth Incident

 * Why did you arrest the Nord militia? "The White-Gold Concordat. Our treaty with the Elves after the Great War forbid free worship of Talos. But that's what we promised Ulfric and his men. It seems foolish looking back, but at the time, we were hoping the Elves wouldn't find out. So when they did find out it was either we arrest Ulfric and the militia, or enter into yet another war with the Aldmeri Dominion. The choice is clear. And now, Ulfric threatens the thinly veiled we sacrificed so much for." -Igmund

If Ulfric was holding the city hostage like the Bear of Markarth says, why is it that no one in Markarth talks about it like the events in the book says. Why aren't there any Markarth citizens who resent Ulfric for it? Why doesn't Igmund who was there says that they were strongarmed being the reason the Empire had to go along with he deal but instead he completely leave it out? Instead he says "we", as in him and the Empire had supported their deal and promised Ulfric and his men free Talos worship. There are so many inconsistencies with the Bear of Markarth source that it shouldn't be used as a credible source.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 14:47, December 28, 2016 (UTC))
 * How can no one talk about a recent event where tons of people got killed? And they do talk about it, but the events in the Bear of Markarth does not coincide with the stated reports of primary sources of those who were actually there. They said Ulfric was the one killing children and Forsworn colluders, turns out it was Hrolfdir. Why wouldn't anyone mention that Ulfric was holding the city hostage if it was really true? You'd think someone would mention if the whole city was being kept prisoner at a certain moment in time, because I know if an army was preventing people from leaving or coming in, there'd be some gossip about it. That's a ridiculous amount of rationalization to try to see the Bear of Markarth events as true when it is clearly unsubstantiated. I don't know much about the masssacre of whatever, but there is reason to doubt the validity of the Bear of Markarth.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 15:07, December 28, 2016 (UTC))
 * I said my piece, the Bear of Markarth in invalid. You accusing me of being a nazi Holocaust denier tells me this conversation isn't going to stay on topic or stay on reason. The primary sources say that the Empire supported the deal from the beginning.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 15:36, December 28, 2016 (UTC))

Edit Warring
Hey Jauffre, I saw you have reverted some of Sports's edits without giving any reason or talking to him about it on his talkpage. This has led to some edit warring, which may lead you or Sports to a block and will likely lockdown the article if this keeps happening. Before reverting, talk to them on their tp first. If neither of you see eye to eye on something, ask other people on chat. - Kora Stormblade (talk) 22:14, December 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * As this situation may not be as simple as one person is right and the other wrong, I'd suggest for you guys to just not edit those pages for now until we can find the proper sources and find out what's really going on. Even if you may think you may be right, it would be easier for everyone to step back from pages involving the Civil War etc., as sources/information etc. can be perceived different ways no matter how factual it is, and it is unlikely that the edit warring will cease without an outside point of view. Hope you understand. - Kora Stormblade (talk) 22:37, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Cedran
Hey Jauffre,

Sorry for the late reply. It does appear that you are indeed correct. Is the full quote: ''Forsworn had taken over Markarth, and Ulfric and his men drove them out. Empire promised they'd be free to worship Talos afterwards. Pity no one told the Elves.'' And if so, does Sports use that exact quote as source? Sports has been blocked for a week now, since he started the edit war. Sorry I didn't reply earlier, —CarloV3r (talk) 11:45, December 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah it's all a little vague on his side. I, indeed, would take it seriously if he had provided any relevant sources, but it seems he didn't. I'll wait a week for things to cool down a bit, his block will end in a week so perhaps he'll provide some sources then. We'll see.—CarloV3r (talk) 16:12, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Appreciate it. Same to you. :)—CarloV3r (talk) 16:54, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Love Your Work
G'day. Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy your participation in the Forum. Time and again I read your comments and think, "OMG! He get's it!" But in addition to that, you seem to really know your stuff AND I love how you're able to cite references for your information. So thank you. Your posts rock my world. 🙃

🙃👍 Razorgirl 12:26, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Skqtable
Hi Jauffre, when you want to add information to a table, please make sure that it's formatted properly. I can give a quick rundown of how the sort of table on Hold Guard works; fortunately, it's not too complicated. So a basic skqtable (replace sk with ob, mw, on, etc. depending on the game for a different color at the top) is just formatted like this, for example:

The text after the ! are the headers for each column, and each new line (divided by the vertical line and hyphen) is divided the same way as the headers. So you would put the dialogue first, then the topic, then the audio. So this would make:

If you want to add a new quote, you would have to create a new line with the |-, and then three vertical lines |, followed by the actual info. There are a lot of other ways you can stretch different rows and columns as well, but I won't go into that unless you want me to. I hope this is helpful, though—having info formatted in tables like this is a very accessible way for readers to absorb it all, instead of a bulleted list. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 22:33, January 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * There are various help pages explaining these things, for example Help:Wikitext/table examples. I have also been working on a huge editing guide lately, which includes some explanations of links, categories, some templates, tables, etc. I'm still working on the table section though. Not sure if there's a help page on blockquotes, but I do have that explained in my guide.


 * The way I learned about tables was by messing around with the huge data tables on Wikipedia, for example this. So if you want to get a hang of tables in general, the best way to learn is to just analyze how the table would be affected if you modify this or that or whatever. So just practice on a sandbox or something and you'll be able to remember things more easily over time. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:49, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Windhelm
Hey Blademaster,

Could you clear a few things up for me? You said the Decree of Monument has something to do with the return of Solstheim to the Dunmer. It was my understanding that Solstheim had been returned four years prior to the eruption of Red Mountain. The book talks about giving refuge to the Dunmer fleeing their homeland because of the eruption, Solstheim isn't even mentioned in it.—CarloV3r (talk) 21:22, January 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Blademaster,


 * Sorry for the delayed response, I've been occupied. The Decree of Monument doesn't speak of any specific location, it just notes that they aren't tied to any specific Hold. The Decree specifically states the tower was erected in honor of the Dunmer exodus, but doesn't mention any specific location. Sports has since provived sources for all of his claims, and I think they're acceptable.—CarloV3r (talk) 19:09, February 6, 2017 (UTC)

Daggerfall
Are you able to play Daggerfall and take screenshots and whatnot? If so, I'd love if you could help with the quest walkthroughs. Get back to me when you can please, thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 22:40, February 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's what I meant. I think for screenshots, if you launch it through Steam you should just be able to use whatever key you use to take screenshots in other games. Otherwise the Print Screen button should work, though I don't know off the top of my head where photos taken with that button are saved on your hard drive.


 * Regarding templates, don't let any lack of knowledge stop you—do your best to set things up properly, and a patroller or admin will come along and clean it up if there's some way it can be improved formatting-wise. And of course I can help answer any specific template questions you have. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:01, February 6, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Skyrim
I originally locked the page because I intended to clean it up soon afterwards. Obviously, I didn't get too far. I'll unlock the page if you want to give it a shot, but be sure to approach it neutrally. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:45, February 8, 2017 (UTC)

Page created
Hi Jauffre,

I'm working on revamping the "Lore" article on the wiki, so that it's not a stub or just a links page any more, and actually discusses the nature of the lore in TES.

As part of this, I've added a small section discussing both the different kinds of texts that constitute lore, and the canonicity debate. I have a very definite opinion on this (lore is what you make it, to me), but have tried to be as neutral as possible in my discussion, and present both sides. Can you please take a look at the page and let me know if you think I've addressed the matter fairly and/or if anything else needs to be added, before I make major changes to the page itself? I've not mentioned C0DA, for example, as I don't think it's necessary as part of an outline of both positions.

The work-in-progress is here: elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Aramithius/Lore

Thanks for your help!

Aramithius (talk) 21:05, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Bronk
Jauffre, everyone thinks you're a pain. Do not leave any more messages on my talkpage regarding the issue. I've already told you to stop. - Kora Stormblade (talk) 22:34, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Deities Template
Thanks mate, I removed it. I don't know if you're editing in source mode, but it's basically just a wikitable with some links separated by bullets. There's some CSS involved (the Alduin's wall background), but that's not important when editing the template. —CarloV3r (talk) 07:56, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

Behavior
Hey Blademaster,

I've been getting some complaints from people recently regarding your tone and behavior towards them while debating certain Elder Scrolls-related topics. I'm not going to side with anyone on this, but looking at it from a purely objective point, getting multiple complaints from individual people usually means they're correct. So, I'd like to ask you if you could perhaps tone it down a bit when debating. I know you're very captivated by the lore, and I know you're very well-versed, but perhaps you're taking it a bit too seriously. This isn't a personal attack on you, but we'd all appreciate it if you could relax a bit. Thanks,—CarloV3r (talk) 12:04, March 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem at all. Thanks for understanding!—CarloV3r (talk) 14:42, March 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Going to pop in here—Kora's given Sothas a warning for some of his recent comments. If he has an outburst like that again, it will mean a block. I think it's obvious that he was way out of line there, but maybe you should be a little less passionate in your comments. I get that you're into it, and I totally understand that feeling that you just NEED to respond (I've certainly been in my fair share of internet arguments), but you should try to be a little less personally engaged in this sort of thing. We're all here because we enjoy TES, not to argue with each other. There are times when it's just better to just not bother arguing any more (relevant xkcd), because doing so will only make you and the person you're talking to more angry.


 * I really don't mean this in an accusatory way, and I'm sure it could come off like that, but I've always had the opinion that everyone should stop taking the internet so seriously. I love the wiki, and I especially love TES and the lore behind it, but I don't have an issue with stepping away from an argument if it's getting out of hand, even one about something I really enjoy talking about. Neither should you, nor anyone else. Having the last word really isn't that important. If someone insults you on a thread, don't even bother responding to them, just report them to VIP or directly to an administrator, and go about your day. It's honestly just not worth your time to respond to someone who has completely derailed a thread to the point of curses and personal attacks. In fact, if someone has strayed from logic and reason to ad hominem, they've already lost the argument (this goes both ways, of course).


 * This is cheesy, but when I'm involved in a heated dispute on the forums or elsewhere, I will write out my thoughts, then leave my house and take a walk for a few minutes. I just get up and leave. It clears my head, and it gives me some personal time to reflect on how I'm coming across, and thus how I could improve in that regard. When I come back, seeing my comment with a fresh set of eyes really does make all the difference. If you become even slightly aggravated—even just plain passionate—I would recommend you do the same. I think everyone should do this.


 * Again, I'm really not trying to lecture you here (I've given variations of this speech to many people), but you asked on Carlo's talk page for an explanation on what you're doing that's upsetting to some users. I doubt many of the people you're arguing with have the desire to work it out with you personally like mature adults, so as a friendly gesture I'm trying to see it from their perspective and pass on my opinion. I'd also genuinely appreciate it if you took a look at a few of these essays, which I believe are relevant to the scenario:


 * Staying cool when the editing gets hot
 * Beware of the tigers
 * The Truth
 * An uncivil environment is a poor environment
 * Don't panic
 * Wikipedia is not about winning


 * I have some more essays that I think are worth reading here, if you'd like to check them out. Wikipedia has a lot of these, and I think many of them get their point across much more effectively than I could ever paraphrase them. Sorry for the wall of text, but I do think you (and everyone, really) should take this advice into account. Some self-reflection now and again is a good thing. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:17, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Sothas
Lol, all right. Thanks for letting me know! You could also report it to Vandalism in Progress next time, no doubt a patroller or admin will see it.—CarloV3r (talk) 11:03, March 12, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Referencing
The naming of the references is the default when using the Visual Editor. Given the volume of references I tend to generate, and that I shuffle content around, the automatic rearraning that the Visual Editor does saves a lot of work for me. However, Atv has flagged the reference name issue with me too, so I'll try to get into the habit of renaming them into something more useful in source mode once I'm finished.

Cheers!

Aramithius (talk) 06:17, March 31, 2017 (UTC)