User talk:Ikabite/Archive 1

Aivarstead
No problem! The page is now deleted :) Also, its a default colour for the administrators on the wiki :) If there's anything I can do to help, let me know! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 01:08, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lore pages
Good question! I would put Category:Lore and Category:Events on that page. At some point, we may even develop a Category:Lore: Events category, if enough pages could fit under it. Also, remember when you're writing a lore article to include in-text citations for potentially contestable claims. For more information about that, see this article on Wikipedia about it. Or, you could check out some of our lore articles. I know Alisanne Dupre has proper in-text citations. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Happy editing! --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  23:13, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Lore Pages
Nice work with adding those ones so far! (Saves me doing it at a much later date :D) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 23:40, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Per your request
Per your request, I have made sure that the page was deleted. Thank you for highlighting the problem. Commander Faol (talk) 23:04, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Maps
Thanks, I certainly didn't draw the maps myself - they are from the official game guide, but I did add the legend and fancy borders in photoshop as I found a similar font to the one used in the skyrim menus.

Jimeee (talk) 21:08, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hi it's argonbolt sorry i did not leave any links, i found the quote about the two ships from the timeline page. In regards to atmora as a whole i think that there seems to be some confusion over who the last people to leave there were. I mean Talos himself was atmoran, and although i have read songs of return i think it may be from the fact the books were written shortley after the such events and did not there for include any future arrivals. As for the later post freeze visitations i beleive the book http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Twin_Secrets sites a later visitation to Atmora.

Atmora
Hi it's Argonbolt

again sorry for the messy note i am still getting a handle on general stuff like that and am still a little rusty. in regards to the page on both Atmora and Nedes i also found the general information on the dragon lore page helpful in relation to their totem animal worship of the old Nedic god(possibly the same as the forsworn?) any way i will likely edit both pages soon.

Argonbolt 7:00,Feburary 5, 2012 (UTC)

Lore Pages
Just wanted to say ... with regards to a lot of those lore pages that you have been adding: since you had added all the information that can be added about them (and have referenced them properly), if you were to put them up for Good Article nomination, I would be happy to approve that and make them official (because they ARE a good example of what Lore pages should have on them :D) Um - to add them for nomination, simply add at the top of the page Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 16:51, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * So far I've been doing things pretty much chaoticly. But recently I've started going through TESII: Daggerfall books. I will keep on adding more lore pages and improving the old ones and I will try to make them the best I can. That means I will try to do things a lot more carefully, I know I've been missing few things, such as proper references and spellchecks. The ones I feel have enaugh content on them will be added to the nomination. (Your code seemed to be broken, sorry for removing it... When I tried to fix it the signature turned to mine, sorry again.)


 * Ikabite (talk) 16:45, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * -:: Ooops. Its nearly 3 am here - and i forgot to close the "nowiki" template. So - apologies. I changed your signature to that one above because otherwise it would put my sig there. Anyways ... thats cool :) I mean - most of what I have been reading so far is pretty good. And obviously, nominate the ones that you think are deserving of it, but I definitely think that quite a few of those pages should be listed as Good articles :) (They probably won't ever be "feature articles", but thats more to do with the lack of pretty pictures, and lack of wall-of-text - neither of which are the fault of the lore articles - still, Good Articles are just that, and something that needs to be promoted more on here (currently theres only 30-something listed there (I've got a numbers list of the Featured Articles/nominations and Good Articles listed here: User:Timeoin/Maintenance if you're interested in seeing them. Anyways - good night to you! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 16:51, February 28, 2012 (UTC) (EDIT: Yep, It did indeed. I saw it but hadnt changed it yes :s)

Lore
Hi there, don't worry about bothering me - im happy to help.

No, there is not a specific lore infobox as most lore articles don't really need one as the article itself is quite short.

Some important characters like Potema Septim use a template from Character infobox templates but these are a bit outdated and came from the wiki merge so we are in the process of fixing and standardising them.

Is there a page you are thinking of adding?

Jimeee (talk) 09:40, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been adding many lore pages ever since I joined and some of my early ones are not that well made. I wanted to rework Mantiarco page, to be little bit more specific.


 * Ikabite (talk) 09:46, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok that's great you are helping with the lore pages. I been editing several lore pages myself recently and it would be great to get these pages to get up to standard - several don't even have proper references! Jimeee (talk) 10:00, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I won't be much help. I may show up from time to time, but... Brace yourselves, the finals are coming!
 * Ikabite (talk) 10:03, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Lore
Looks beautiful. Great formatting! We need more people like you to help fix our lore pages!

Question about Mantiarco - is it confirmed he was High King of Skyrim or just King of Solitude - as Solitute was a independent city state around that time?

Jimeee (talk) 12:55, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm... quick rush through the books and some of the historical events may suggest that the claim may be false. I will fix that right away.


 * Ikabite (talk) 13:05, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Lore infoboxes
Not sure if you still require this information, but we're currently using outdated infoboxes on Lore pages. We considered creating lore-space infoboxes and adding them to pages, but kicked out the idea because many lore pages aren't likely to require them. Perma-stubs with infoboxes, that type of thing. At any rate, you can read more about the infoboxes we use for lore characters at: SF:WHO?. It's based entirely on the character's race (provided they aren't a half-breeds). Examples are Nord infobox and Dunmer infobox. Hope this helps :D -- 01:28, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Come back!
Man, we need your help on the wiki! Our Lore pages really need a kick in the ass. Can I bribe you to come back somehow?

Jimeee (talk) 19:55, May 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am flattered by your request, unfortunately, I do not have time to write full articles right now. I am still around. I have exams starting next week, first of them being English.


 * Contratulations on your new title as well, Jimeee!


 * Ikabite (talk) 05:05, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
I have reverted the pages and sent a quick message to him. Thanks again. Ysmir was insane!

Jimeee (talk) 22:48, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Omg
The loremaster is back! Please tell me you're staying this time!

Jimeee (talk) 15:14, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Atmorans
Hey there. I noticed your concern and posted on the Atmora talk page. Let me know what you think.

Jimeee (talk) 15:42, November 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is how i'm reading it, we need to go way back - all life started on Tamriel during the Dawn Era. War broke out between the Old Ehlnofey (ancestors of the Mer who supported Auri-El) and the Wandering Ehlnofey (ancestors of Men who supported Lorkhan). Monomyth mentions Lorkhan created men from lesser spirits to fight for him.


 * This war ended at Convention when Auri-El's knight Trinimac ripped Lorkhan's heart out and Auri-El shot it deep under ground. The war itself was cataclysmic Nirn was flooded.


 * It's believed that the Wandering Ehlnofey (proto-men) managed to conquer the lands of Atmora, Akavir and Yokuda. However, these became isolated after the flood.


 * The Aldmer ended up in Summerset Isles.
 * The Aldmer ended up in Summerset Isles.


 * The Atmorans (Proto-Nords) in Atmora
 * The Atmorans (Proto-Nords) in Atmora


 * The Yokudans (Proto-Redguards) in Yokuda
 * The Yokudans (Proto-Redguards) in Yokuda


 * The Akaviri in Akavir.
 * The Akaviri in Akavir.


 * Some Wandering Ehlnofey remained on Tamriel - they become the Nedes.
 * When the Altmer Direnni clan left Summerset for High Rock they bred with the Nedes of High Rock to found the Breton race.
 * When the Altmer Direnni clan left Summerset for High Rock they bred with the Nedes of High Rock to found the Breton race.


 * That's why Ysgramor's Companions found early Bretons in High Rock and tribes of Humans in Cyrodiil. When they invaded Skyrim and found the Nede tribes they interbred with the Nedes to found the beginnings of the Imperial race.


 * These two quotes:


 * "Historians often portray the human settlement of Tamriel as a straightforward process of military expansion of the Nords of Skyrim. In fact, human settlers occupied nearly every corner of Tamriel before Skyrim was even founded."


 * This refers to the Old Ehlnofey who stayed on Tamriel after the Dawn Era war - the Nedes. A seperate race of men than the Atmorans.


 * "Ysgramor was following a long tradition of migration from Atmora; Tamriel had served as a "safety valve" for Atmora for centuries before Ysgramor's arrival."


 * This simply refers to the Atmoran immigrants before Ysgramor. These peoples didn't become Nedes as there were already men on Tamriel (Kothrengi etc) before them.


 * In addition, im nor sure if you follow the works of Michael Kirkbride, but even he confirms the Nedes and not Atmorans. "Nedes != Atmorans. That's just shoddy scholarship from a bygone regime".


 * p.s - Have you read the article I wrote on The Towers?


 * p.p.s - Its good to have a talk about lore - It never happens on this wiki. :)


 * Jimeee (talk) 17:38, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Blades
Hey Ikabite

Fist, thanks for the help with the Blades article, when i started i thought i could do it on my own, but it has proven to be one of the larger jobs i have done in awhile.

And yes, I am making sure to not make the Blades (Skyrim) a lore article, i just feel that if it read that way it would look better. if people want to know about the quest then they can read the quest. Im just planing on rewording and focusing the article on that era and its blades

thanks for your help and happy editing Cheatcodechamp (talk) 22:49, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Replies
Jimeee (talk) 16:45, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: Amorans - Working on a reply to you - will post soon.
 * Re: Towers - Thanks it took much research. As for the info in Oricalc, OOG content should be dealt with carefully so we aren't creating articles for everything MK related. Lore: Concepts exists for this but it's always best to check before going into that territory.
 * Re: Online - Images can be uploaded from the official site as long as the right license template is added. It should be in the licence dropdown. Again, careful with adding Online lore info and source everything you add.
 * Factions (Online) - It's too early to say at this point so no need to complicate matter with a rename. We can keep it as it is for now.

RE:Blades (Skyrim)
The page looks alot better then when we first found it. Before we say its done though we should double check with the admins to see if they can see anything that needs to be improved.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 18:50, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the help with it, without you the page wouldn't look half this good.


 * I dont think we need to have a walkthrough on this page, that's what quest articles are for. we need to write it in a way that covers it but doesn't explain how to do it.

Ill ask Tomb and Ebony if they have any extra images of the temple. like i said before, i dont want the main pic to be the same as a different articles.

ill send them a message and see what they can do to help, I'll also see what i can do to help with the interaction part of the article. If one of us can get it started then the other can push it forward. Cheatcodechamp (talk) 19:06, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Also, out of curiosity, why did you pick the images of the Talos Statue? that has more to do with the sword then the Blades Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:04, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Be careful when working with links, you seem to be smashing words together.

As a heads up, it is better to write something in your own words then to copy and paste from other articles. i noticed that whenever you edited it looked like you took what i had added and replaced it with parts of other articles on the wikia (like the blades lore and books). Editing is more then just adding info, its about making sure it fits, that why when i wrote and rewrote i made sure it stuck as much to the blades as possible. Cheatcodechamp (talk)

why
Why did you remove everything i added? you cut all the interactions and reworded everything i wrote (alot of it looks like it came from articles and books on the wikia)

everything was fine when i left it, and i understand that it could use clean up, but removing most of my work gets under my skin a bit.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 19:41, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Im sorry for coming off mad, but i dont see why you had to make some of these changes.

One of the rules on the wikia is "if it isnt broken, dont fix it, and you have replaced my work with other parts of the wikia despite the fact it said the same thing. Like with the fouth era part. I called it fourth era because all of that happened in the fourth era, and i wrote to to focus as much on the blades as possible, so yes, i am going to get edgy over you replacing it with content that neither of us wrote.

And i added the interaction because that is the interaction with the Blades, and while we do have quest articles for how the Dragonborn interacts with them, this article is meant to talk about them during the course of Skyrim, so it needs to cover that on the article.

like i said, i understand a wikia means that my work will be messed with somehow at some point, but you flat out replaced some of my edits and some of it didnt need to be replaced or removed.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 20:22, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

A war dosnt need to be open, the cold war is a goo d example of this,

everything in the fourth era was everything that happened in the fourth era, so the name isnt bad. but your right, your name wasnt bad. perhaps your right im alittle attached.

Before we talk to an admin (i agree we are both two connected) would you be willing to come to the IRC so we can talk this out and find a middle ground? lets at least try to work this out on our own before we make a bigger mess out of this or bring more people. Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:00, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

http://webchat.xertion.org/?channels=TESWiki&uio=Nz10cnVlJjEyPXRydWUf1

Related quest and images
I just moved it, it should be at the bottom.

and i saw your requested images. Esbern never puts on Blades armor. He is mage class and mages prefer light armor or none at all Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:29, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, ill trust your judgement, ill put it back next time i edit the article.

And no, as far as i know esber never changes his outfit. i beat the game and he stayed in the same clothing he was in when i found him. Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:42, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Durak
Im not cheaking up on you, the IRC has a CVN that lets peple see when edits are made, i saw the edit and i cheaked (i cheak all edits that are made)?

i went to google translate and babylon.com and an other site, all three said Durak means Durak in Russian. if you can show me some proof that it does mean that in Russian ill leave it be

Im not trying to cheak up on you, i stalk all edits on the wikia.

Cheatcodechamp (talk) 00:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Blades
Farkas and Vilkas = Wolf are somewhat relevant as they are actually werewolves - Durak's = fool means nothing really.

I have noticed the work being done on the Blades page, but have decided to wait until you guys are finished until I make any edits. For an article to become FA it really needs a high standard - the blades article is getting there but can still use work. Some of our past FA's have been embarassingly bad, we cant/wont let that happen again. Detailed, vast articles like The Towers is the kinda thing we are looking for.

Also, try get along with each other. The last thing we want is an argument over an article. Talkpage your discussions.

Jimeee (talk) 00:20, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Blades
Per the recent edit crazyness with Cheat and yourself I'll lock the blades article for about 1 day shortly so we can all take a step back and cool off. The work is good but we don't want an edit war or any arguments starting over it. Cool?

Also in regards to Nedes != Atmorans - the assertions I made are much more than a theory and it certainly isn't my own theory. I'm responsible for introducing Atmorans across the articles, but before I did that I carefully researched it on several TES lore message boards (like the official Bethesda forums)? and consulted a few lore masters.

Like you mentioned, the UESP article explains it very well, but I also suggest you read the discussion they had on the talk page as it can show how this conclusion has been reached. I too followed the pocket guides and believed that nedes and atmorans were the same, but until you look deeper into details like the Kothringi tribe and The Adabal-a things start to make sense.

Jimeee (talk) 09:26, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Re Blades
Hi Ikabite, yes I saw he did request an image but TombRaiser was quicker. I did upload a few of the Blades in action and told him before as I saw you were talking about it. But it wasn't time for them yet then. I saw this morning that Tomb has added 3 of those on the image request page. I was thinking of taking som interior pics also as it was requested too, later tonight after work. ? :)

EbonySkyrim (talk) 09:46, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Blades (Lore)
The intro/lead and the history sections are mostly fine and don't really need reworded. The are not hugely outdated and include information from the most recent lore. Myself and Deyvid worked on this page not too long ago and we were somewhat happy with it.

It is missing lore from Morrowind and 'Daggerfall so of course that can be included.

If you wish to make really large change to this page I strongly suggest you make them in your sandbox before posting them to this page.

About "Known temples" - If you are referring to Wind Scour Temple and Storm Talon Temple, they certainly dont need their own pages or sections and a simple mention is sufficient.

Jimeee (talk) 11:07, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Blades
I don't mean to contradict you, but speculation in no way or form should be allowed on an encylopedia such as this one. It also happens to be against policy, so me removing such information is protected. If there happens to be any sort of proof towards the claim made, then I would be more than happy to let that information stay. But at this point in time, as well as me going in-game and checking it out for myself, there is nothing to suggest that he was ever a member of the Blades. Akaviri blades were/are sold quite commonly; which Occam's Razor would suggest over all over theories. GarouxBloodline

Re Thanks
Your welcome :) I can see your point, it does look like it needs a few more images. Maybe one or two. I can see it will be a bit hard (don't know if that is the correct frase for it really :) ) to add an image of Esbern too in the members section as the paragraphs aren't long and there will be a gap to the next paragraph. You could have a pic with both of them just like the one on the Breton (Skyrim) page. I've seen that on other pages too and if you can get a smooth line between the both it will look fine. If you have an image of both of them taken on the same spot that will make it even better. If you haven't worked with layers I can help with that if you like.

Otherwise I think an image in one or two of the sections under "Interactions" should be fine. Hear with one of the admins also what they think. And a tip, I didn't think much when I first added pics to the wiki, using png is better and I noticed you haven't named one of the pics you added, it has the date when it was taken in your game. My advice is that you at least take that pic and save it with a new name and upload it and also use png when you save for a better quality.

EbonySkyrim (talk) 08:20, November 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, Fraps.. I've never used that. Ask either Jimeee or TombRaiser so they can rename the File:TESV_2012-11-26_15-47-02-81.jpg file to something else than the numbers. I've used Paint Shop Pro for many years (like 12) as I also use it for my photography and in creating stuff for another game. It costs money but it's worth it in the long run. To use a free graphics program there is for example Gimp, search for free graphics program and test one or two.


 * I can see if I can get some images of them both at the same spot in the temple, in a reload. I had to play an earlier save to get the image of the potion. I even had to play from the end of Sovngarde (Quest) and Recruit followers (Quest) as I hadn't made so many saves during that period. Sigh.. just to get that bottle! But that's ok..


 * EbonySkyrim (talk) 09:09, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Falmer
The way we are treating this topic is Falmer and Snow Elves are two seperate entities because although historically they are from the same root, by the Fourth Era the lineage is completely different.


 * 'Snow Elves' should only be used to refer to the extinct race.


 * 'Falmer' should only be used to refer to the twisted creatures.

The Falmer page should deal with the Enemy type in the game. Like you said, the history section should mention lore events/history relative to the Falmer ONLY - such are War of the Crag etc. It should mention they were once snow elves but not go in too much detail as that is for the next page.

Snow Elves page (which is fairly complete, but needing a few wording tweaks) should strictly deal with the lore behind the extinct race.

As I see it now, parts of the Falmer page can be trimmed and incorporated into Snow Elf page as some of the writing is quite good and I should not be deleted. It's been on my list of things to eventually do also.

Jimeee (talk) 09:46, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Fraps
Hey Ikabite, I saw your message to Ebony that you use Fraps to take screenshots, but you said it takes it in JPG only. I also use this software to take my screenshots, and there is actually 4 image formats that can be saved, one of them is PNG format (others being BMP and TGA). It's under the "Screenshot" tab. Just wanted to point that out for future images taken as we really do love our PNGs. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  19:36, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Delphine and Esbern
Hey, I see that Tomb knows more about Fraps.. Anyway, here is a picture of Delhine and Esbern together in the Temple. They are taken when they have just discovered Sky Haven Temple.

File:Delphine Esbern.png. I've merged them together.

EbonySkyrim (talk) 20:00, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Hi there. Many thanks for the images! I think I can use third one with some cropping. My goal was not to have the image too wide, more vertical so it fits into the article nicely. I can also use the third one in a lore article i'm considering.

Jimeee (talk) 13:45, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Aldmeri Dominion
Yes, you're right, Online should have it's own separate page, since it will be covering the MMO related material. I had made the separate pages before, but, seems that Timeoin merged the Online page with the Lore page. I will move the current page back to Online, and the "Lore" page info back to what was on it before the Online material was added. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. :) — TombRaiser  SPEAK!  20:10, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Nameless Mage
We have a guy on the news team (Milkman) who should be looking out for things like this. It probably should have been posted in the news but it's too late now. Since you notice these things, feel free to mention them to someone or event write the news story yourself - if it's decent you can become a news team member and it will get posted to the front page.

Jimeee (talk) 17:08, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re Blades images
Hi Ikabite, sorry for not seeing the message you wrote back in November on those recruites images. Yeah, I had forgotten I gave Lydia the Drainheart Sword earlier and didn't notice until I already had uploaded it. And I gave the other one the Mehrunes' Razor for storage... Forgot all about it until I saw them uploaded. Are you intrested in new pics of them with Blades original weapons if I can get some tonight?

EbonySkyrim (talk) 07:14, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, and just curious :) do you mean the pic when the blades are shoting the dragon when you are talking about them "floating" on the stairs? I know, some of the animations are a bit strange when they move. Seen it in the other game I'm playing too..   EbonySkyrim (talk) 08:05, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Ikabite, I have a few new photos of the Blades training. Have a look here. I haven't uploaded them to the wiki yet, have a look at them first.


 * EbonySkyrim (talk) 19:41, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Busy Week
Hi Ikabite.. no need to explain what you think of the "old" photos :) I've left a message for Jimeee and I did upload one of the new images, replaced the older one. File:Blades Training.png I'm on a PC so i can't get yet, have to wait for it. Good luck with your exams...

Adding, you might want to make an archive page for your messages as the page is a bit long now.

EbonySkyrim (talk) 22:59, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Archive
Hey, you create a page called User_talk:Ikabite/Archive_1 and then move over earlier messages and then link to it. Check CCCs message to me a little above yours. Images and Archives.

EbonySkyrim (talk) 07:12, December 6, 2012 (UTC)