User talk:Dutyclaus



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 * --Atvelonis (talk) 18:32, July 18, 2019 (UTC)

Blades articles
Hi. Great work on your recent edits! I'd just like to recommend that when creating pages that the links correspond to their correct item and that the summary has all the necessary cursory information including the name of the subject of the page in bold text (eg. "Boots are pieces of armor..."). Thanks. Grey Fox (talk) 09:05, August 13, 2019 (UTC)


 * Further to this, I would also use caution when adding categories. It can be difficult to remove them if it is wrongly applied, as they require the attention of an admin. Thanks. Grey Fox (talk) 09:14, August 13, 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, new articles for the Blades indeed are needed, but I recommend to read our Style guide first before continuing. Also if possible use the templates above the page creation, they will add the article's layout automatically. --Rupuzioks (talk) 19:05, August 13, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Question
No that's not my question. I want to understand it. Even if it's just your policy, I'd like to understand it or maybe even know it. Dutyclaus (talk) 20:51, August 19, 2019 (UTC)dutyclaus

Hello, the naming is our style and formatting policy. If you have any disagreements on it, you should propose a change in the Moot. --Rupuzioks (talk) 06:59, August 15, 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. Adding to this, articles (particularly for items) are named with "(Blades)", etc if they appear in multiple sources to avoid any ambiguity. They otherwise don't include a bracketed source as is could conceivably cause confusion if another item, especially if it's unique, said ("Skyrim"), etc and inadvertently mislead someone to thinking it appeared in multiple games. Otherwise, there is no bracketed source as there is no need for disambiguation. There's also the point that not all items, even those one may expect to be common, may be in the following game. For example, Daedric Cuirasses don't exist in Skyrim although they were in the preceding games because they were called Daedric Armor. It would therefore be better to retroactively retitle articles than to predict that there will be a future page for the disambiguation to make sense and have said disambiguation exist without need for several years until the next game. It would also be great if you could elaborate on what you mean when you say "if someone is searching [for something] like cleaving damage the (Game) say[s] the information before they click." Finally, keep in mind that a lot of the operating environment for how the site (and pages therein) functions is dependent on Fandom and not the wiki itself including the features and limitations of the programming languages employed, so some of the policies and guidelines are based around that. Thanks. :) Grey Fox (talk) 01:35, August 17, 2019 (UTC)

Sandbox
Your contribution to the Blades articles is grately appreciated. I will suggest though, if you want to experiment with tables, I recommend creating a sandbox. (User:Dutyclaus/Sandbox) Telling people “it's currently beyond bonkers, it's just a save please don't fix it” in edit summaries is not recommended. Staff members here, by duty, will make it a point to fix or format recent edits or new articles. The Cat Master (talk) 03:10, August 20, 2019 (UTC)


 * Another thing you can do is use at the top of the page you’re working on, if you don’t want people to edit it. The Cat Master (talk) 06:55, August 30, 2019 (UTC)

Tables
Hello Dustyclaus. I notice that you've been doing a lot of work with Blades articles lately, especially creating/updating tables on them, such as here. I'm glad to see that you have an interest in this area of the wiki; it's something that needs attention. However, I would note that the reason you're having so much trouble with the tables is because you're using Wikia's proprietary Visual Editor to edit the wiki, as opposed to the more stable Source Editor. VE is a nice introduction—I started on it myself five years ago—but it is extremely buggy and lacks a certain amount of functionality. It is therefore strongly recommended that you go to Special:Preferences → Editing → Editing experience → Preferred editor → Source editor → Save (at the bottom). This will ensure that you do not have to deal with the poor design of VE, and will instead be able to edit articles in their truest form.

Using Source is not without its difficulties. Unlike VE, which is WYSIWYG and therefore easy to hop into, Source requires a little bit of syntactical knowledge of wikitext. It may seem a little confusing at first, as though you're programming, but in reality it is just a simple markup language. There is syntax to create a link, format text, use templates, add comments, insert HTML tags, etc. Some examples:


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There is a little more to it than that (I have a full guide here), but that's the general idea. Please switch from Visual to Source, as it will make things significantly easier for you in the long run, and will decrease the amount of time we have to spend correcting formatting issues associated with VE. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 12:04, August 20, 2019 (UTC)

Formality
Hello Dustyclaus. Thank you for your edits to our Blades pages as of late, we do appreciate the help. It's a little bit difficult to document information about the game. However, I would ask that you try to maintain a more formal tone when writing on mainspace (content) articles such as Spells (Blades). Information on content articles shouldn't be written as though it's a blog or a forum post—the wiki is fundamentally an encyclopedia. While you can certainly write in your own voice, it still has to be formal and more to-the-point. If readers can't figure out what they want in a few seconds, they usually leave the site.

By the way, in reference to this line on your profile: "I don't know why I got blocked for vandalism. [...]" Your account has never been blocked on TESWiki ("No matching items in log"). It's possible that you were using a public IP address, such as a school or your workplace, which has been temporarily blocked to prevent vandalism. However, you as a person are more than welcome to contribute here. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:40, August 21, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm just checking to see if you've been receiving our messages. I appreciate your enthusiasm on articles like Combat (Blades), but the wiki is not meant to be an all-inclusive gameplay guide. That page, for example, is just meant to describe combat mechanics, and, to a lesser extent, the way that players find success in the game's combat. I restructured a lot of what you wrote, but we still have to do more work on the article. It's written very informally, as though this is a personal blog. Please try to be mindful of how other articles on the wiki are designed, and write articles yourself based on that. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 22:12, August 23, 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't really know how to respond. I guess I can try by doing it here.Dutyclaus (talk) 05:08, August 28, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey! I saw your message on my talk page, thank you for the detailed reply. I completely understand that it can take some time to process all of the information we're giving you, and that's completely fine. Wiki editing does have a slight learning curve, so it will take you some time. Don't feel rushed to learn all of the policies on the whole site at once—that would be impossible! Go at your own pace.


 * The daily edit track can be a little wonky sometimes. It's possible that you encountered a bug, but you should also be aware of the fact that it resets on UTC time, not your current timezone. For example, 8 PM in New York (EST/EDT) would be 12 AM (midnight) in UTC, so you would have to have made your edit before that cutoff point for the counter to go up. —Atvelonis (talk) 12:07, August 28, 2019 (UTC)


 * The achievements system is quite old (2011 or 2012, if I'm not mistaken), and is one of Wikia's proprietary features. Seeing as whatever is causing this discrepancy appears to be controlled by the back-end code, I'm not sure there's anything I can do to fix this for you, unfortunately. You should reach out to the development team from this link. They might be able to offer better support, and potentially fix the issue. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:04, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Blocked
I checked the IP addresses you've used recently, and none of them have been directly blocked on TESWiki. This makes me suspect that the cause of the issue is an IP range block (as opposed to a regular IP block), but we don't currently have any active range blocks on the wiki, to my knowledge. I would again recommend reaching out to Wikia support, as they can probably provide more useful help.

In the meantime, if you're accessing the wiki from your school or workplace, those are places where vandalism is likely to occur and IP blocks are therefore likely to be handed out. So you may want to only use private/home networks instead, or use a VPN when in public. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:47, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

Template
If you need to add the missing info template, just copy and paste where you need it:

Although it might work differently on Visual Editor --Shockstorm (talk) 07:13, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Stubs
In the case of Enchanting (Blades), Stub was probably just overlooked. You can remove it. If an entire section is missing, that would be an appropriate use of the template. It doesn't mean >50% missing content, just "a relatively significant amount." However, if it's one rather small section missing in an otherwise lengthy and complete article, it's not strictly necessary, and Missing is enough. It's not something to get into an edit war over though.

If you find that a user is re-adding such a template to an article of yours and you think that their edits are wrong, I urge you to reach out to them directly so that they can explain their train of thought. I can mediate disagreements between editors as needed, but it's easier to avoid using an intermediary when possible. Editors here will be happy to work out such things with you. :P

I don't control the counter in the achievements system; you just have to make sure that you're making an edit at least once in every 24-hour block for the duration of the number on the badge, based on UTC time. So if you wait until 10 PM EST to make your edit for the day, that's too late; it's past midnight in UTC, so the counter will think you're editing the next day, and therefore that you missed the current (or, in its mind, previous) one. I'd recommend making at least one edit when you wake up and one when you go to sleep if you really want to make sure. —Atvelonis (talk) 18:40, October 4, 2019 (UTC)