Talk:Dark Brotherhood (Skyrim)/Archive 1

I just joined the dark brotherhood today and started doing contracts but it is never really specified whether the people you kill are good or bad or what factions they belong to and I really don't want to end up screwing myself with the legion (Who I joined) so are there any contracts I should avoid or are most of them faciton neutral?Yobobjm (talk) 06:27, November 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * You could say that it's against the Empire, but I don't think it influences much because you're acting in secret, hence the DARK Brotherhood. Und3adwarrior (talk) 17:24, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Kill Ennodius Papius contract glitch
One of the first group of contract assignments says i need to kill Ennodius Papius, but when i do the quest won't update, the marker just stays above his dead body. I'm level 47 and playing on PS3, anyone any ideas?

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I fixed the begining where it said you have to be attacked by assasins in order to join. That's completely false. I didn't feel comfortable deleting the whole thing (Since I didn't write it and I'm not a mod) so I just changed it to a fun fact.


 * And I undid your change. Nowhere did the previous statement say that you had to be attacked in order to join. GrandMoffVixen (talk) 04:17, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I only had to complete one of the three assassinations to unlock the first real contract from Astrid. I think the article in its current state is false on needing all three complete.

dark brotherhood
I killed astrid before i knew i needed her for the dark brotherhood questline, and i really want to join the dark brotherhood is it still possible for me to join them or am i screwed?

82.169.102.169 16:15, December 25, 2011 (UTC) Hertardes

You're screwed.

Reload previous save? Or u could revive her via console commands. I don't know any, as I play on Xbox. And, seriously, plz plz plz sign ur posts. 64.134.229.191 05:36, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

OVERPOWERED
Title explains it all.

That's right: Nobody is able to detect you with Cicero's armor set or the Ancient Shrouded armor set. +35% bow damage is also owerpowered and 30x sneak attack damage ...

In my opinion, I think that (while it certainly is OP) the 30x sneak damage with Cicero's gloves are a good reward for the questline. It took me a lot of hours to get the 15x sneak attack damage (since I was doing 3 of the questlines at once, including the main questline and the Thieves Guild), so I actually felt like a badass assassin (which the Dovahkiin should be). By the time I got Cicero's Gloves (through console, since I didn't want to kill the Fool of Hearts) I felt it was a better reward than killing the Emperor could ever be. And I guess I was sort of right, since you spend most of your payment fixing up the Dumpstar Sanctuary into something more agreeable.

Fixing up the Guild pages
Most of the Guild pages with the exception of the College of Winterhold pages are atrocious and need work, anyone wanna help fix them up?


 * How r u supposed to edit it if its locked????? 64.134.229.191 05:53, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Artheius?
Who the crap is Artheius? And why is their page blank? Touj0urspur (talk) 04:28, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe someone found the problem and corrected it. There is no Artheius in the Dark Brotherhood. Und3adwarrior (talk) 17:59, February 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ilooked up said character on google and couldn't find any matches. And, please, whatch your language. Not ,earning to sound nit picky. 64.134.229.191 05:39, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Page messed up?
The page seems to be messed up.
 * Good to see the destructive edits were changed. Next time, please contact a Staff member either on their talk page or on the IRC for reverting it. Leaving notes on the talkpage are less likely to be noticed. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  15:25, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Armor
Armor and apparel tab should be fixed as since it is not required to either to kill or to spare life of cicero to obtain jester's outfit you can even just loot it and walk out because its inside the Dawnstar Sanctuary near enterance
 * Cicero's Armor - can be obtained only if Cicero is killed during The Cure For Madness.
 * Jester's Outfit - can be found on the table near enterance after gaining enterance to the Dawnstar Sanctuary, which is given by The Cure For Madness quest. The variation is weaker statistically than Cicero's Armor.

Skillpillz (talk) 02:21, February 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've changed the bit about Jester's Outfit being found on the table in Dawnstar. The rest is unnecessary verbage. --— Deyvid Petteys  (bother \   stalk)  02:24, February 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not to meantion, Cicero's Armor can be pickpocketed off of him with sufficient pickpocket skill -- killing him is not strictly required. 64.74.213.94 21:31, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Worn Shrouded armor pieces found in the Sanctuary in Dawnstar be included as well? These may not have any enchantments, but make for a good way to have your own custom enchanted Shrouded armor. 24.139.111.144 19:51, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect Information
In the wiki article, under the topic "Dawnstar Sanctuary", there is a quote. It says: Silence, my brother."''
 * ''"What is the music of life?
 * ―Dawnstar Sanctuary Door.

This is, in fact, incorrect. That is what the Falkreath Sanctuary Door says.

In truth, the Dawnstar Sanctuary Door says "What is life's greatest illusion?", and the dragonborn is to respond "Innocence, my brother".

I noticed this was wrong in the wiki and tried to fix it, but the page is locked and it referred me to this talk page for article suggestions.

Please fix soon, as it may be confusing for anyone viewing the article.

67.183.61.229 05:13, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * The correct quote is now displayed. Thank you. TombRaiser (talk) 23:38, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mistake
"After Astrid betrays the brotherhood to Commander Maro and the Penitus Oculatus during the first assassination attempt against Emperor Titus Mede II, the Penitus Oculatus ravage the Falkreath Sanctuary, killing all but Nazir, Babette, and possibly Cicero. During the attack, the Night Mother hides her Listener within her coffin, to protect them from the invaders and the fires they ignited in the sanctuary. The Listener awakens in the Dawnstar Sanctuary, safe and sound."

correct me if im wrong but u wake up in the burnt out shell of the falkreath sanctuary? and nazir says he will take babette and go to the dawnstar sanctuary.

75.186.152.74 21:25, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe that by "wakes up" the author meant the player actually regains control of his or her body. When you wake up you're still inside the coffin, but when you regain control of your player you are in the Dawnstar Sanctuary.  HaLo2FrEeEk  Here I am! 21:29, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * You do wake up since the night mother says Sleep my Listener, you then wake up to nazir pulling you up and him talking to babbete. But it is in the Falkreath sanctuary not dawnstarSkyrim15 (talk) 02:06, June 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * i was in the coffin in falkreath and left by way of the door . i didnt move to dawnstar except to set up the new guild. 75.186.152.74 21:34, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I woke up at the Falkreath and Nazir says "Pack your bags we're moving" after astrid is killed 1:56 April 13, 2012
 * I was in Falkreath. :-) 64.134.229.191 05:48, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

In the "Joining or Destroying the Brotherhood" section, the quote says "Sweet mother, sweet mother, send your child ON TO me for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear. It is actually "...send your child UNTO me for the sins..." It would be nice if someone could fix this.

Skivy (talk) 04:28, March 15, 2012 (UTC)Skivy

After doing Innocence Lost, I went to sleep for the 24 hours and I wasn't "abducted". It seems that if you sleep in a house where you have a housecarl the abduction doesn't trigger. However, when I slept in a bed at an inn, it finally triggered. It makes sense but I didn't find anything of the sort on the page, and I'm not sure if it's a bug or not. Can anyone confirm this? 108.91.36.31 05:27, March 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I slept in my home in Whiterun and was abducted but I'll have to go back and check to see if my housecarl was there. But more incorrect information anyway - sleeping for 24 hours is not necessary. Even sleeping for as little as one hour will result in the abduction. Confirmed for PC and PS3 04:34, March 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I never received the note. I fast traveled to Whiterun to pick up Lydia then to Winterhold to pick up my weapons. Lydia, my housecarl, was with me THE WHOLE TIME (obviously she wasn't with me before I picked her up). I slept in my bed at Winterhold for 24 hours to pass the time and I was abducted. I never received the note. I was a bit disappointed as I had a spot for the note (a souvenir!) in my Falkreath house, Lakeview Manor. Has this happened to anyone else??? 64.134.229.191 05:48, February 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * i beleve that the 24 hours or so is just a timescale and can be passed sleeping, travelling etc. after this any time you sleep will result in abduction.
 * i beleve that the 24 hours or so is just a timescale and can be passed sleeping, travelling etc. after this any time you sleep will result in abduction.

Ok, this has happened with two characters now, the dark brotherhood note never comes and I never get kidnapped and taken to the shack. I even slept for a few days in a row in Windhelm. What is going on? Gormagon (talk) 22:26, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

wat do i get when i finish all the night mother quests?81.111.216.221 15:06, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe the Night Mother's quest are endless Lee VEGETA  talk 15:08, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * So annoying. . . 64.134.229.191 05:48, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Astrid
I think that the subtitle "Astrid's Betrayal" Should be taken out as it basically is a huge spoiler. It should be replaced with just "Astrid", or something similiar. Drapsmann (talk) 18:21, August 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea, but u don't know how to change it. I'm a bit new to wikis overall. 64.134.229.191 05:49, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Possible Bug
I was bored in the Sanctuary and decided to use Whirlwind Sprint around the place and Cicero shouted (paraphrasing) "For a Listener you do a lot of shouting!" even though I haven't been confirmed as The Listener. Bug? AmbieSushi 05:19, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Bandit
Who Is the Bandit mentioned in the page?


 * What page? 64.134.229.191 05:50, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

A Mistake
I was reading this paragrapth:

After Astrid betrays the brotherhood to Commander Maro and thePenitus Oculatus during the first assassination attempt against Emperor Titus Mede II, the Penitus Oculatus ravage the Falkreath Sanctuary, killing all but Nazir, Babette, and possibly Cicero. During the attack, the Night Mother hides her Listener within her coffin, to protect them from the invaders and the fires they ignited in the sanctuary. The Listener awakens in the Dawnstar Sanctuary, safe and sound.

Where I underlined it, This is not true. The Listener doesn't awaken at the Dawnstar Sanctuary. He is still in the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary. This is where you go over to Astrid, Who is lying on the ground burnt and half-dead in her room where she has performed the Black Sacrament to create an assassination contract on herself. Also, This is where you acquire the Blade of Woe, Symbolizing leadership of the Dark Brotherhood and the strongest dagger in the whole game. She asks you to put her out of her misery by killing her with it. Just wanted to point that out :D


 * If you read the rest of the page, which I'm guessing you didn't, the same issue is mentioned above. Cheers. 64.134.229.191 05:51, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Page needs some Major Fixing
I'm sorry, but while reading this, my OCD kicked in. The style of writing, the horrible spelling and grammar... it needs to be fixed. I am unable to do so myself, but I hope an admin will see this a fix the problem...

The person who wrote this also refused to refer by people's names. It's a nice little switch-up to do once in awhile, but the entire first part of the article was full of "tricky jester" (Cicero) and "mysterious initiate" (Hero of Kvatch).

Also, the entire first part is just re-stating what happened in Oblivion. It's okay to say "due to the events in Oblivion" and then link the page to the Dark Brotherhood (Oblivion), but they go over the ENTIRE Oblivion plotline when it's supposed to be about Skyrim.

Please fix!

P.S I was told the page was not locked, but I am unable to edit it myself, which is the reason why I am posting this here.

TheInfamousLyingHarlot (talk) 01:55, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've cleaned up the "History" section a bit, but it's still not that great. I've also checked the protection level for the article and it's at registered users, so I don't know what's the deal with that. Kroq-gar78 (talk) 18:57, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I started some major surgery on this page. I rearranged the "Joining or Destroying" section into 4 separate ones so that it flows better. The major structural problems come after the list of quests, when it suddenly dives into a section on Astrid. It seems like someone just threw together a bunch of things they encountered and put them all on this page, rather than putting them on the individual quest pages. I'm not completely satisfied with what I did (I don't like there being a "Notes" section, but I wasn't sure what to do with those 4 bullet points, and they had to be separated from the rest). If there's a template that would be good for this kind of page (an overview of an entire quest line), it would be good to use that and be consistent. Cubears (talk) 06:16, August 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, is Delayed Burial even a part of this quest line? It cetrainly isn't the first quest (that's Innocence Lost), but it seems that it's relationship to the Dark Brotherhood only involves one possible resolution. Cubears (talk) 06:26, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Never Accepted Into The Dark Brotherhood
I completed the quest, waited 24 hours, and the courier never showed up. Wiki says that he doesn't have to show up, so I waited another day just to make sure before renting a room and sleeping for another day. I've spent a week sleeping and waiting, and there's been no sign of the Dark Brotherhood.Foxi Hooves (talk) 03:49, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

What triggers the Destroy the Dark Brotherhood quest?
I've been having a conversation with User:Blazing_Soul about this, and it seems that there is a question here. From the writeup, I was under the impression that attacking Astrid started the Destroy the Dark Brotherhood quest. However, Blazing Soul says that it has nothing to do with it at all. Please look at this conversation (User_talk:BIazing_Soul), then weigh in here. Which is correct? I don't have any saved games left where I could go back and try this myself, so I'm curious what other people have observed. Cubears (talk) 14:26, December 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Destroy the Dark Brotherhood! quest will always begin if you kill Astrid in the cabin. Jimeee (talk) 17:42, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

I think we should all be aware of the absurd amount of arrows in Festus Krex after the Penitus Oculatus burned the Falkreath sanctuary. Also, his ring was mediocre at best.BanneredMare21 (talk) 03:45, February 11, 2015 (UTC)BanneredMare21