User talk:Jimeee

The Towers
The Towers is incredible. Nice job, Jimeee.

Proweler (talk) 15:11, August 26, 2013 (UTC)Proweler


 * Thanks! A couple of parts need tweaked, so i'll to get around to it when I have time. Jimeee (talk) 17:20, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Message on my doorstep
The welcome sign on my talk page is getting rather annoying. So, if possible, I wish to delete it. I only ask to be cautious. I was banned on a different wiki for a short time for doing so.FortunePayback (talk) 21:05, August 26, 2013 (UTC)FortunePayback

UESP content
User MHInfinite has copied UESP articles not written by himself almost verbatim to the wikia. Known pages include Imga (17 minutes it took to copy that one), the Online creatures pages which he has taken credit for though written by myself (The Silencer). Golden Silence (talk) 01:12, September 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Issue dealt with. MHInfinite goes by the name AldmeriDominion on uesp. He made the edits on both wikis. The Online creature page in question is not plagiarized as the dates have been checked. The language is similar in both articles as the source material (the ESO website) is identical Jimeee (talk) 12:47, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

More UESP content
Hi, Jimeee. I'm not normally one to complain about this sort of thing, but it seems Chairmanprescott6179 is lifting quite a bit from the UESP. Like, a lot. I revamp a UESP lore page, and a month or two later he lifts it with often-cosmetic changes. For instance, compare the UESP Ayleid page with the TES Wiki Ayleid page. Among other things, the opening quote is the same, and the Religion sections are almost verbatim. Like I said, I don't normally complain about this sort of thing. But apparently, he became Member of the Month over here while he was lifting my work from the UESP en masse. The kind of example this is setting for your other editors is more than a little disconcerting to me.

I revamped the UESP Dwemer lore page in June, saying "The history of the Dunmer is mostly a record of their conflicts with other races and each other, and the timeline is imprecise for many of these events." A month or two later, he added to the TES Wiki Dwemer page that "Little is known of the history of the Dwemer, and the early history and origins of their civilization, and most of their history is mostly a record of their conflicts with other races and each other. As such, their timeline is imprecise for many of these events." I haven't fully reviewed the page, but I'd bet that much of the "new information" he's been adding recently has come from the UESP.

The copying of the UESP's content has been substantial. Honestly, I don't know the full extent of it. To fully compare my contributions to the UESP to Chairman's contributions here would take hours, and frankly, I don't think it's just for that burden to fall on me. The revision histories clearly demonstrate that a major portion of his contributions here have been plagiarized from work myself and others have published on the UESP. I would appreciate it if you or another TES Wiki administrator would take up the task of policing this matter and making the necessary redactions to the TES wiki articles. Thank you for your time. Minor Edits (talk) 01:31, September 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * The article and user in question will be dealt with. I'll try to catch you in your IRC if I get time. Thanks. Jimeee (talk) 12:49, September 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I do not plagiarize work of others from other websites, or any other source for that matter. I am in high school, and I know for sure that plagiarizing is illegal, morally wrong and can have serious consequences. I do not look at UESP articles for information, I study in-game books, dialogue and many other sources for information that would useful and suitable for the lore pages I work on. It is merely coincidential that the work is the same because it is taken from the same exact source: in-game books, dialogue and online sources, including the Imperial Library, created by Bethesda. This is very disconcerting to me, but hey, what can I do about it? If you wish to tell me that I have been plagiarizing work from UESP, then fine, but I will say this again, I do not and will not plagiarize the work of others.Chairmanprescott6179 (talk) 03:26, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * The user Itachi made this addition to the UESP in 2010, and it has remained substantially unchanged since then. Judging by your respective user pages and editing habits, it seems clear you are two different people, and thus you don't have the right to take Itachi's work from the UESP and claim it as your own. Yet you made cosmetic changes and then added it to the TES Wiki last February. The source does not use this language or even explicitly give this interpretaion; only the UESP used this language. This is textbook plagiarism. As for this revision last March, I added virtually identical language to the UESP Dwemer page last year. Just because you said the Dwemer had a "very strong presence" and I said they had a "strong presence" doesn't negate plagiarism. I'm busy at the moment, but I can certainly add more if you want to insist that you've never plagiarized the UESP content. There are plenty of examples I would consider borderline, and still others which were clearly copied and pasted with only cosmetic changes. I'm not trying to belittle all of your work, nor am I trying to hamper the TES Wiki, You are, of course, perfectly free to refer to the UESP, but not to copy it. We are both paraphrasing the same sources, yes, but you have to do so using your own words. Minor Edits (talk) 16:06, September 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I feel that my intelligence is being insulted by the proffered defense here. If you had said that you honestly believed that all your changes to UESP content were enough to avoid copyright violations, I would've understood that. It would've been wrong, but I would have accepted that you reasonably believed it. But coincidence? No. And you're actually claiming that you don't look at UESP articles for information? No. Patently untrue.
 * Let's take a look at the Ayleid pages. I made substantial changes to the UESP Ayleid lore page on June 15, then went back on June 27 to add a religion section, among other things. After numerous maintenance edits starting July 1, you started making substantive revisions to the TES Wiki page on August 3.
 * 1. Is it just coincidence that your interest in improving the TES Wiki Ayleid page came so quickly after my changes to the UESP page? Maybe.
 * 2. You decided to add an opening quote to the TES Wiki on August 3 - the same quote I decided to use to open the UESP page. Now, of course I can't argue with the use of Bethesda's material, but how you used it is up for scrutiny. What inspired you to put it in the introduction? There's certainly other quotes to use in the introduction, ones which are equally insightful or more descriptive. Was it just coincidence? Maybe.
 * 3. On August 6, you added to the opening sentence of the TES Wiki article that the Ayleids "ruled over modern-day Cyrodiil" since before recorded history. Much of what you wrote mirrored the source, except the source says "ruled Cyrodiil", not "ruled over modern-day Cyrodiil". What made you describe it like that? What made you add it to the latter half of the opening sentence - the same position as on the UESP's page? Coincidence? Maybe.
 * 4. On August 8, you added a paragraph to the TES Wiki's page about Aedra worship. It seems to be almost exactly what I added to the UESP on June 27, except with some minor changes - likely just enough to pass under the radar of an online plagiarism detector (but certainly not enough to escape a living person exercising his or her common sense). Coincidence? Maybe.
 * 5. I wrote "[T]here is a very strong argument that their society was fundamentally dedicated to the veneration of the Aedra, not the Daedra." You wrote "There are however very strong arguments that state that the Ayleids worshipped the Aedra, rather than the Daedra." It's hard to ignore the similarities. Isn't it odd that we would both cite "very strong" arguments for this notion, especially considering that they don't exist in the game or any other Bethesda material? This is original research; it is normally banned on the UESP, but received an exemption in this instance. So is it just a coincidence that you parroted my entirely original language? Maybe.
 * 6. The next sentence, you went on to say that "The Ayleids venerated Magnus, the Aedric God of magic", citing Glories and Laments and The Monomyth. More than a month before, I had written "They are known to have venerated Magnus, the god of magic and the Aedra's absent comrade."  I had also cited Glories and Laments and The Monomyth - in the same order. And it's interesting you would say that they "venerated" Magnus, seeing as no source material uses that word. Coincidences? Maybe.
 * 7. You wrote "Throughout many Ayleid Ruins, there are many statues which depict an eagle lifting up a figure carrying a bow and shield from the ensnaring ground." I had written "Ayleid statues throughout Cyrodiil depict an eagle lifting up a figure carrying a bow and shield from the ensnaring ground." Again, this is all original research, and this was my own way of describing the statue. You can't claim that we were both just paraphrasing a primary source in the same way by happenstance because there is no primary source. There's just the statue, which can be described in a virtually infinite amount of ways, and how I chose to describe it. In this instance, what you did not write is also relevant: there are other aspects of the statue which I did not articulate that help corroborate the symbolism. So is it just coincidence that you chose to mention only the aspects which I had mentioned, and that the latter half of your sentence matches mine verbatim? Maybe.
 * 8. Next, you wrote "The bow and shield are the weapons asssociated with the Aedra Auri-El". I had written "The bow and shield are the weapons associated with the Aedra Auri-El." Exact. Same. Thing. Coincidence? Maybe.
 * 9. Next in the UESP version, I had written "For the Altmer, the eagle represents the Aedra, and Ayleids presumably inherited this symbolism, as well." Next in the TES Wiki version, you wrote "Within the Altmer Pantheon, the Eagle represents the Aedra, and the Ayleids seem to have inherited the Eagle symbol as well." Different, but not really. Coincidence? Maybe.
 * Coincidences happen. Since both wikis are collections of what are called "derivative works" in copyright law which are derived from the same primary works, a few coincidences are to be expected. But the limitations on our copyrights in this respect only apply to the "scène à faire" of the subject: the indispensable incidents, characters and settings. How UESP contributors have chosen to organize and articulate those indispensable elements, however, is not mandated. In other words, you don't need to rely on the UESP's original language to properly convey your own derivative work, so any such language is fully protected. It's that work which you have been plagiarizing, as the ideas involved and how the UESP has chosen to express those ideas are distinct.
 * Your defense of "coincidence" lacks merit. To dismiss all this as coincidental is absurd. It's res ipsa loquitor . The things above which are not plagiarism on their face help establish that you have been substantially relying on the works of UESP contributors and then repeatedly disrespecting their copyrights. You have made a habit of taking UESP content and republishing it on the TES Wiki, typically with a small amount of insubstantial, token changes. This pattern you've exhibited establishes that these changes are readily interpretable as willful attempts to circumvent the copyrights - in other words, it's obvious that you knew what you were doing, and all you were concerned about was getting caught. Well, here we are.
 * I hope you can handle it from here, Jimeee. Sorry to clutter your talk page. Minor Edits (talk) 06:33, September 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * It has been over two weeks since my last message laying out evidence which I believe irrefutably demonstrates that Chairman plagiarized UESP content then lied about doing so. This should have been more than enough time for some remedial action to have been taken. Yet nothing has happened. I do not believe any administrators here were aware of Chairman's plagiarism before I brought it up here. But since then... well, essentially, the administration of the TES Wiki has knowingly allowed plagiarized content to remain published, and allowed the plagiarist to go without reprimand, for over two weeks. This is cause for concern.


 * After conferring with some other UESP editors, I believe a case like this, if it was discovered there, would be handled in the following way: the plagiarist would receive a formal warning. This case is even more egregious due to the plagiarist's blatant lying about his sources, so a temporary block would be given some consideration, at the very least. The edits in question would be immediately reverted via copying the relevant pre-plagiarized content, if applicable, and pasting it over the plagiarized content.


 * I'm not suggesting that the TESWiki must follow that exact procedure, or that it has to have the same rigid standards for ethical behavior practiced at the UESP. However, we do expect some form of equitable treatment. Minor Edits (talk) 05:36, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies for dealing with this so late - I have been fairly busy at work and dont spend much time here, minus various rollbacks. We agree that there is no question the editor has copied content from uesp and I have removed the copied parts that were of concern. The reason a straight revert was not performed was due to other editors making vaild additions after he did - so doing so would have wiped their work. In any case I agree I should have dealt with this earlier. We will also revoke the user's member of the month award. He won't be banned outright this time, but if anything like this happens again - he will be. I have messaged him about this. Sorry for all the bother. Jimeee (talk) 18:24, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Me, too. Best wishes. 71.63.255.47 21:46, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup
Hi Jimeee,

I dont know if i did something wrong or no im new on this forum i really think all of this is soo usefull.

I got a problem right know im trying to make a post i did one 2013-08-31 at 21:55 about deadras worship (skyrim).

After clicking on post i couldn't find my post did i make a error or something that could stop me to put post on the forum?

So if you could help me with this would be great thanks.

thanks for the english lesson mr.Jime, and i honestly only want to say sorry , because all i want is to set things right in the wiki, not ruining it......

Hbxn (talk) 11:04, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Trainers page
Hi Jimeee,

I noticed you deleted the page on Trainers. Was this intentional?

-Dan

Re: Location categories
Thanks for pointing out.Since there was no category specific to Rorikstead (?), i added them to Whiterun Hold.

An example of this is Vilemyr Inn, which is located in Ivarstead, but Ivarstead doesn't have any categories exclusive of it, rendering it another "The Rift Hold Locations".

hi jimmee

Categories
I didn't realize that "houses" meant places where the Dragonborn coud live, and that the map icon was the arbiter for whether something was a settlement or not. Sorry. Cubears (talk) 20:06, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, i'll do some page ! ;)

Toralf Griffe-De-Glace (talk) 14:14, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Pages
When I click on User:Documentalist/Walkthrough (Skyrim)/Planning and then on "Create page", I get a message  "This page is for a user who has not yet created his userpage. If you wish to contact this user, please leave a messages on his/her talk page." I asume Kroq created a user "Documentalist/Walkthrough_(Skyrim)" but didn't create his userpage. Documentalist (talk) 13:04, September 26, 2013 (UTC)