Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-10197675-20130806142227/@comment-160529-20131220143044

89.245.235.64 wrote: Ralok wrote:

89.245.238.71 wrote:

Ralok wrote: man you bring up the Thalmor and the Greybeards and that isnt even remotely what the hell I am even talking about. That stuff was created pre-redguard for gods sakes!

Stuff Kirkbride created during his time with the company, that was put into the games... is without a doubt canon, the stuff he created during the time he worked... that wasnt put into the game... is potentially canon.

Stuff he created after he left the company... not canon! Why? because he doesnt own the intellectual property of the elder scrolls and thus has no legal right to add to its canon... its fanon.

If Bethesda wants to throw in a reference to his fanon here and there that is there right... but until it is absolutely set in stone beyond a shadow of a doubt and stated explicitly that it is canon... then it isnt.

Did Bethesda ever say that his stuff isn't canon? No. And as long as they don't say that, his writings can be considered canon. Besides, everyone has their own headcanon. Maybe it isn't canon for you , but it certainly is canon for me and many other people who enjoy the nice and deep things MK adds to the TES lore. And fact is that we wouldn't be talking about Numidium if it weren't for MK's 'fan-fiction'. you dont have to say something is not canon when it is not published, distributed, or created by the holders of an intellectual property.

The holders of the property have to go out of their way to SAY its canon, not to say its not canon.

Your logic is completely OPPOSITE! MICHEAL KIRKBRIDE DOESNT OWN THE ELDER SCROLLS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY! And what is headcanon and what is not is completely irrelevent to anything, because that is just fan fiction.

FAN FICTION IS IRRELEVANT TO WHAT IS CANON! You nor kirkbride nor anyone else gets to say what is, and isnt CANON the owners ofthe intellectual property get that final say.

Dont like it, eat a brick and get the heck away from the franchise. Because if you dont like the canon or the story, what the heck is even the point? Wow, I've never seen someone rage so hard when discussing if something is canon. Man, you are immature.

Allright, I'll explain it SLOW for you, so that you can understand it:

Bethesda didn't say anything about MKs lore and they never stated what exactly is canon. You know what this means? ''That MKs stuff can be considered canon if you want to have it in your headcanon and that Bethesda still uses what he writes. ''

The Elder Scrolls doesn't need narrow-minded fans like you who can't think outside of the box and want the same medievel stuff that's been around since the beginning of gaming history to be copied into every single game.

You are wrong... it literally cannot be considered canon unless it is specifically stated it is canon.

You cant say something is canon in any sense when it was not produced, dstributed, or approved of by the owners of the elders scrolls franchise.