User talk:Timeoin/Archive 1

Re: Speculation?
Wow, you are on fire! I haven't looked below that IP's edit when I reverted it, but now that I have, I think you are just what this wiki needs to become great.

I don't edit here much &mdash; other then fixing vandalism every once in a while, so I don't know if there's anything specific that needs to be worked on. But I don't think you need to look for extra work, the work you're doing now is just what the wiki needs, so you should just keep 'doing your own thing' :)

Cheers --Anon talk 18:45, March 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not good at referencing stuff, but I think the easies way to reference something is to put  after the info. Also remember to make a references section at the bottom of the article.


 * Like this:

Greetings from America
Hey, i'm jon, and yes glad to be a actve memeber:)


 * hehe. That code works over here too! :) But yeah - I added you on msn, since I saw the email addy. lol. Ive been making a fair few link corrections and things since I started. Welcome aboard (again), and remember - let me know if I can help at all! Timeoin 03:02, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
While you're not an admin here, since you're the most active user nowadays, I'm asking you as well.

What do you think about the idea of merging Wikia's Elder Scrolls wikis into one big wiki (at least those where the community agrees, that is)? I think this would allow them to better compete with UESP. The Skyrim Wiki is actually doing a great job at that currently, and has quite an active community now, but I think it would be best if there was one big wiki for the whole franchise, especially in the long term.

This bit might seem controversial, but for search engine optimization purposes it would be best for the merged wiki to have Skyrim as its primary focus on the main page and have the "Skyrim Wiki" name for now (maybe with something like "Skyrim Wiki - All about Elder Scrolls series" as the title), at least until the game is released, but have the content based on all the games, so it's the best way of attracting new users at the moment. The reason Skyrim Wiki is getting lots of traffic now is because losts of people are searching for that very phrase in Google. In the long term, after the game's release, and after we've re-established an active community, we could rename it back to "Elder Scrolls Wiki" and shift the focus to the whole series.

Please tell me what your thoughts on that would be. Ausir(talk) 21:02, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * You can find the list of admins at Special:Listusers/sysop. Looks like none of them have been active recently on this wiki, though. Given your level of contribution, I suggest you ask Michaeldsuarez to make you an administrator, as he is the only bureaucrat on the wiki. Alternately, if no admins are active for 60 days (which hasn't happened yet), you'll be able to adopt the wiki. Ausir(talk) 20:48, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I certainly think you're the best admin candidate of the current contributors to this wiki. Ausir(talk) 23:46, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like all active admins of this wiki (which means you) and the Skyrim wiki agree with the merge, so we can proceed with preparations for it. By the way, do you mind article comments (like at current Skyrim Wiki) being used instead of traditional article talk pages (like here so far)? They might be hard to get used to at first, but they pretty much work as community forums, and encourage game discussions and speculation, which, while not a traditional part of wikis, can be one of the things that differentiates us from UESP. Ausir(talk) 19:17, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * We'll proceed with the merger next week. Ausir(talk) 00:57, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me! :) (Also, sorry, I didnt see the question about article comments til just now. I have no objection to them at all - I rather like them, although sometimes they can get a little off topic ... which in itself can sometimes be a good thing :) Timeoin 01:25, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I cannot say I agree with this idea of a merger to much. . . I mean there really is no good place for elder scrolls lore, you gotta dig through the uesp to get to the lore, and it doesnt really do that good of a job on the lore pages. If it was my decision I would have the Skyrim wiki as a gameplay wiki, to try and keep the lroe and gameplay seperate to a certain degree. I meant its nice to have somegameplay info, but it can get in the way. And Likewise lore with gameplay. . . I dont know, do what oyu guys want. . . ralok 03:45, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

That Guy
Indeed I think yor right :D

Administrator
You do now. :) Ausir(talk) 17:26, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Nice work!
Thanks for the fishy stick, but I think you deserve it much more than me :)

Also, congrats on becoming an admin. Now you can clean up these pages :)

P.S. Your "insane wiki spree" will never get annoying. --Anon talk 23:45, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Countdown timer
To activate the countdown timer, you'll need to put the following script on MediaWiki:Common.js.

// ************************************************** // Experimental javascript countdown timer (Splarka) // Version 0.0.3 // ************************************************** // // Usage example: // // Only January 01 2007 00:00:00 PST until New years. // // Javascript disabled.

function updatetimer(i) { var now = new Date; var then = timers[i].eventdate; var diff = count=Math.floor((then.getTime-now.getTime)/1000);

// catch bad date strings if(isNaN(diff)) { timers[i].firstChild.nodeValue = '** ' + timers[i].eventdate + ' **' ; return; }

// determine plus/minus if(diff<0) { diff = -diff; var tpm = 'T plus '; } else { var tpm = ' '; }

// calcuate the diff var left = (diff%60) + ' seconds'; diff=Math.floor(diff/60); if(diff > 0) left = (diff%60) + ' minutes ' + left; diff=Math.floor(diff/60); if(diff > 0) left = (diff%24) + ' hours ' + left; diff=Math.floor(diff/24); if(diff > 0) left = diff + ' days ' + left timers[i].firstChild.nodeValue = tpm + left;

// a setInterval is more efficient, but calling setTimeout // makes errors break the script rather than infinitely recurse timeouts[i] = setTimeout('updatetimer(' + i + ')',1000); }

function checktimers { //hide 'nocountdown' and show 'countdown' var nocountdowns = getElementsByClassName(document, 'span', 'nocountdown'); for(var i in nocountdowns) nocountdowns[i].style.display = 'none' var countdowns = getElementsByClassName(document, 'span', 'countdown'); for(var i in countdowns) countdowns[i].style.display = 'inline'

//set up global objects timers and timeouts. timers = getElementsByClassName(document, 'span', 'countdowndate'); //global timeouts = new Array; // generic holder for the timeouts, global if(timers.length == 0) return; for(var i in timers) { timers[i].eventdate = new Date(timers[i].firstChild.nodeValue); updatetimer(i); //start it up } } addOnloadHook(checktimers);

// ************************************************** // - end -  Experimental javascript countdown timer // **************************************************

Than you can use this:

There are November 11 2011 00:00:00 EST left before Skyrim's release.

To display it wherever you want it :)

Note: The script is already posted on the MediaWiki:Common.js page (at the very bottom of the page), but it doesn't appear to work properly. You can try to remove the one that's already there and post the one above but a little higher, maybe somewhere above this:

// ============================================================ // BEGIN JavaScript title rewrite

Also, I left a comment on this. Cheers --Anon talk 14:35, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad it finally works :)
 * I'm not sure which naming practice would work best, but from the technical point of view it's always better to have as little redirects as possible. But if we go with full name titles than we can always create redirects to ease our work (like this) --Anon talk 15:06, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Elder Scrolls books
Can you please delete those pages? UESP has permission to reuse that content, but we don't. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 20:05, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I prefer deletion. Sorry for the late reply. I've been working on a large wiki project (outside of Wikia) that went live recently. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 01:14, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, well, personally, I don't prefer this option, particularly if work is correctly referenced. (That is just my opinion, however :P) - especially not pages such as, say Yellow Book of 3E 426 or Hasphat's Notes for Cosades, which do not appear in the UESP pages anywhere. However, when you say delete, do you making them pages such as Redguards, Their History and Their Heroes, which has a page link to the UESP page? As for my reasoning for why I dont prefer deletion - most of these pages could just have easily come from reading the books in places such as, say, playing Morrowind, or the other games. Having said all of this - its not really up to me. lol. Good luck with the external wiki project :) Timeoin 03:02, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's best to simply ask Bethesda for permission too. Ausir(talk) 00:56, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Just ask on their forums or something? Timeoin 01:00, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * : I have now emailed them :) Timeoin 01:16, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Im with you man
We gonna shape this place UP, although dont expect to much work from me :P I still have alot of stuff to do on the thundercats wiki (I know im a dork) the troopers wiki (also strange) and my pet project the barsoom wiki (you are wondering what that even is) BUT im here for you man, and I am going to help you out in any way that I can ralok 15:25, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Cities in Cyrodiil i could finish the page if only i could see the other cities in edit mode

categories
i think it would save time, and make things less cluttered if we instead of categorizing each page as in or out of universe, we organized categories into the overcategories out of universe and in universe. I feel like placing the in-universe category at the end of pages breaks the fourth wall in a strange way. ralok 04:07, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. That in-universe articles category is one thats left over from before I joined. It seems to make sense to have a list of things that exist in-game, and which ones dont (i.e. the 2 novels, and the Pocket Guide to the Empire thing), but otherwise - I'm leaving it alone for now :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 04:19, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Achievements
I'll start working on the merger soon. By the way, what do you think about activating the achievement badges extension on the wiki? You can see it in action e.g. at The Vault - users get badges and points for doing various tasks on the wiki. I think it's a pretty nice feature, and while on one hand it can lead to some nonsensical edits, on the other hand, it does really make users more involved, especially if you set up category-specific achievements with a specific project in mind, like we've recently done at The Vault - it increased project participation there for us a lot. I was not that big of a fan of this feature originally, but now that the Fallout creature project is ongoing, I think it's great. What are your thoughts? Ausir(talk) 18:36, April 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll reply here because, well, you seem to be EVERYWHERE :P As for the Achievements - I agree, it does sometimes have its negative aspects, but, as you said - it will eventually increase the activity on the wiki, which, really, IMO, overrides the other objections. (Perhaps thats because I am a fan of them). But yes, I agree, having achievements would definitely help improve the wiki. On a similar note though, I am looking to transform the stub and incomplete pages templates to make them more individualised. I was thinking about having a picture of the Gray Fox wearing the Nocturnal Cowl for the incomplete pages section (the cowl obscures identity), and Caius Cosades for the stub pages, since in Morrowind, the first quests he sends you on is to find some information out about certain topics). Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 00:56, April 29, 2011 (UTC)