Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-3539474-20130910213054/@comment-8248675-20130922053952

I think Nords tried to negotiate with Forsworn before, but they don't care much for negotiations. Remember what happened to preavious Jarl of Reach, Igmund's father? He went to negotiate terms with Forsworn and got killed, his shield ended up in a Hagraven's nest. So I am not so sure if Forsworn are the kind of people you can just talk it out with. You would be like, here I will give you a chunk of Reach, over here. And they would be like, no we want all of the Reach! *a bone axe to the head*

Bretons and Orsimer came to that agreement of Orsinium being an oficial Kingdom within High Rock, only when Empire finaly interfeared in 3 era. Before, Bretons felt that Orcs are just encroaching on the land that lawfully belongs to them. Back then Bretons took the proverb, "Find a hill, become the King" literaly, that's why they made so many petty Kingdoms in Illiac Bay. Imagine how many potential hills they tough Orcs were taking away from them. That is why Orsinium was taken down few times before it finally gained an official status within the Empire. For the first siege of Orsinium, Bretons assembled a large army. They not only got Redguards from Hammerfell to help them, but famous blademaster Gaiden Shinji as well. They though that Orsinium will fall quickly, but they were wrong. Hundreds and hundred Bretons and Redguards fell before Orc Beserkers, including Gaiden Shinji himself, before Orsinium finally fell for the first time.