Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-209.7.3.188-20160303204000/@comment-30011802-20161103012413

Blademaster Jauffre wrote: Terawolf119 wrote: Talos: so what it was only enforced when the Thalmor came to skyrim not realy something to lean on for leverage.

Ulfric: Using shouts is fare combat when it comes to the nord beliefs, and he killed him with a sword not a shout, he used the shout as a tool.

1. Do you see bad nords going to sovengarde? I think not.

Dominion: Please don't use gameplay as a levrege it is not fact.

Great War two: It's not the best strategy to spread your army thin when there is a good posibility of war.

Unity of Tamrial: They Acknoledge it's the only thing big another to the defend agaisnt the Dominion, currently, is the Empire, Oh but look there's some people who could help defeat the Domain let's go talk to them. 2. It's not just about Hammerfall but about the dummer themselves, it's a package agaisnt the Empire AND the Domain what a deal! Seriously why wouldnt they!

You do about the same thing I do, you read up on the topic, then come back talking, are you calling yourself a fool?

Thalmor Invasion

Lets look at the two ways a military force can invade a territory. The first possibility is by Land. If the Thalmor were to attempt this, they’d need to go through either Morrowind (not allies of the Thalmor, and never have been, plus Argonians occupy part of it and are fighting the Dark Elves) or Hammerfell (obviously hostile to the Dominion) or through Cyrodiil, even High Rock. Now many say that there’s the solution. The Thalmor have a treaty with the Empire, and they are allowed through Empire territory. Two things. One, the Justiciars are allowed, and two, whole armies are clearly not.

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How do I know this? Tullius himself says that the Empire is currently guarding its border to watch for an attack from the Dominion. Think about that for a sec. If the Thalmor were allowed to waltz in whenever they wanted, why the hell is the Empire wasting their time guarding their borders? It makes no sense. Clearly the deal of the Thalmor in their territory extends solely to Justiciars for hunting down “heretics” not their whole army. . Now look at Skyrim’s natural barriers. Mountains. The worst kind. You cannot sustain a flow of troops and supplies through a mountain range. Not easily anyway. Couple that with the intense weather, and you have a complete supply chain disaster, easily cut off with avalanches, ambushes in the mountains, and already made impractical and long treks due to the mountains already.



Now, the Thalmor, assuming they actually did get through Cyrodiil in whatever fashion still would have trouble getting through even if they used the Pale Pass, due to it’s treacherous reputation. Here’s an example of how it caused trouble for Tullius during the Stormcloak rebellion. You’ll remember this from part 1 if you’ve all been reading like good boys and girls:. %5B5%5D  In 4E 201, the Pale Pass was closed due to avalanches, preventing Imperial reinforcements from helping to secure Falkreath Hold under Imperial control during the Stormcloak Rebellion. %5B6%5D %5B7%5D  . In short, a land invasion is highly unlikely in the current situation. I didn’t even talk about the obvious disadvantage of fighting in a cold climate that the Thalmor are not at all used to fighting in (their homeland is SUMMERSET ISLE for Kyne’s sake) against a people who are literally magically resistant to cold weather and magic. . Now lets look at what the Thalmor are actually good at. Naval invasion. The Thalmor are known (or rumored. didn’t hear much about this so called godly navy in the war) to have the most advanced and powerful naval force in Tamriel. But even the most advanced naval ships cannot successfully invade without a safe port nearby to house reinforcements and supplies to sustain the attack. See how far away Summerset Isle is?

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It would be comically impractical to invade Skyrim from this far away, whether that be by land or sea. Even our real life history proves this fact to be true. The Thalmor can’t set one on the coast of Skyrim to the North because one, they’d be under constant attack, and two, the Sea of Ghosts is as the name suggests extremely treacherous. They don’t have any islands nearby to do this either.

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The only possibilities they have is to anger the Dark Elves as well, and take one of those islands that are literally on the opposite side of Tamriel from Summerset Isle. Then they’d be fighting two nearby nations at the same time, and this time one of them is magically adept, and are as tough as the Nords are. So without a true safe port, this invasion tactic is even more unlikely to succeed.

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Or, they could try and get permission from the Imperials to use High Rock’s ports for a land and naval invasion, but if the Imperials don’t interject to letting the guys that are out to destroy humanity be in a position to not only taking an independent Skyrim who is an enemy of their enemy, but also High Rock, their only other province left, then I know High Rock will. And even if they didn’t, you can guarantee a Hammerfell and Skyrim alliance at that point. The Bretons may even jump in themselves if they see the writing on the wall. This is how alliances are formed. . This is why I personally laugh at those who say “without the Empire in Skyrim, the Stormcloaks are doomed.” The Nords could literally sit back and gulp down some Black-Briar mead while the land does the fighting for them. There is no realistic scenario where the Thalmor invade Skyrim successfully, or without starting up the Great War II.



Power hungry Ulfric

Anyway, an argument that is commonly defended is that Ulfric is power hungry and a savage. To those who say he’s power hungry, you’re right. Congratulations. But is that a bad thing? I assume when people say this, they mean that he is power hungry for the sake of power alone. That is false. He wants power so that he can do what his supporters want him to, which is to save Skyrim from the Empire’s influence and restore Talos worship. Don’t believe me? Does this sound like the words of one who fights for the sake of having power alone?

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">For those of you who say he’s just acting…come on, really? In his palace with the grand total of one stranger? No. . People also say him killing Torygg is proof of his hunger for power, because his court mage says he was a fan of him, and he agreed with what Ulfric was saying, and Ulfric should have talked to him first. Do you see the contradiction? Torygg’s court wizard says Torygg knew of his agenda, and Ulfric stated them at the last moot to the point to where he spoke just shy of treason. He already spoke in front of him! Speak up and be a man, you’re the High King of Skyrim for Kyne’s sake, Torygg! Torygg, the High King of Skyrim should have said something then if he agreed.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">And they say he should have asked Torygg one last time before he issued his challenge, but from Ulfric’s perspective this would have been stupid. He’s in the middle of the Imperial seat of power in Skyrim at the mercy of the Emperor’s greatest Skyrim supporter who swore an oath to him, and showed no evidence of agreeing with Ulfric at the moot, and Ulfric is supposed to risk being arrested for treason in the belly of the beast? . A counter argument to this is he just killed the High King, so obviously he didn’t care about that to begin with. This is wrong, because Ulfric challenged him to a legal duel according to Skyrim’s laws and would not have been arrested. A duel is a part of Nord politics, and after a duel is won, if the High King is dead, they have another moot, and pick a new High King. People say it is an outdated law, but Torygg agreed to the duel, so clearly the law is still in place. It was only an issue after the Empire came in and said it was illegal according to Imperial law.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">So Ulfric went in knowing that he wouldn’t be arrested for challenging the King to a duel. This is a political checkmate. Either Torygg agrees to the duel and he wins, and a moot is held, which Ulfric would have won due to being the winner, since Elisif likely would back down out of fear to him, or Torygg doesn’t accept, and Ulfric has a good chance of winning due to Torygg looking weak. Either way if the Empire did not interfere, Ulfric may very well have been the new High King. . This does not sound like the workings of a savage to me. It sounds like one who knows his people’s politics and knew how to play them well. People may think he’s savage only because of the nature of the Nordic politics, which is outdated compared to non combat loving countries. Ulfric can’t be held accountable for playing the politics. He didn’t make the rules. And as said before, Ulfric did not murder the High King, he fought Torygg in a duel. Whether you think it was dishonorable or what have you is a different issue.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Torygg knew that Ulfric had the Thu'um, and accepted the fight anyway. He also knew he was a seasoned warrior, and likely still would have lost the fight. To Nords, a duel to the death even with the thu'um that is revered in their culture is not dishonorable or cowardly. His use of the thu'um simply shows he was the stronger. Whether you believe that or not isn’t the point. The Nords do.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> “The Empire Brings Peace and Security To Tamriel”

<p style="font-weight:normal;">. Before I continue, I’d like to point out that even in the Empire’s glory days this wasn’t the case. Ask the Orcs. So ignoring that, lets point out the obvious. These are not  the glory days of the Empire and the only real difference between this one and the last was that the last Empire had thicker curtains to cover the problems it had. And then there’s comments like this:

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> How did Morrowind fare with Tiber Septim when he conquered and united the provinces?

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Alvur Relds: Well, sir, of course, having served with the legions for twenty years, and having carried the Emperor’s standard, I’d like to say he was universally loved and respected. But we aren’t much in furriner-loving line like you Westers, and we don’t thank you for interfering.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">I’ve gotten to know some catmen and even lizards in the Service, and some of them are not bad folk. But a people should keep to their own, if you take my meaning. And that’s not the Empire’s way. I look around, I don’t see much benefit from uniting the provinces, unless you’re a fatcat merchant, or maybe a soldier. .

<p style="font-weight:normal;">http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Interview_with_a_Dark_Elf

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">And this:

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Eastern_Provinces

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Now, back to the present. The Empire is dying. They have Cyrodiil, High Rock and half of Skyrim. If they won, how would security in their Empire be any better, when they can’t even prevent a bandit uprising within the very heart of their establishment when there wasn’t a civil war? I’m of course referring to Bravil from Cicero’s journal entries.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cicero%27s_Journal

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Which I’ll admit, is the only example and evidence of problems in Cyrodiil. Oh, wait:

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Valga_Vinicia

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">And why isn’t the Council sending Tullius more support? Or Mede? I get that they’re watching the southern border, but surely they have some men to spare from doing this. Tullius seems to think so when he complains about not getting reinforcements. One reason is that the Pale Pass is closed off:

<p style="font-weight:normal;">The Pale Pass appears on Nataly Dravarol’s map of Skyrim, created in 4E 182, by which time it was once again in use.<span class="reference" id="cite_ref-5" style="font-size:12px;line-height:0;position:relative;top:-0.5em;">[6]  In 4E 201, the Pale Pass was closed due to avalanches, preventing Imperial reinforcements from helping to secure Falkreath Hold under Imperial control during the Stormcloak Rebellion.<span class="reference" id="cite_ref-6" style="font-size:12px;line-height:0;position:relative;top:-0.5em;">[7] <span class="reference" id="cite_ref-7" style="font-size:12px;line-height:0;position:relative;top:-0.5em;">[8]

<p style="font-weight:normal;">http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pale_Pass

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">But hello, they have ships! This kind of makes me wonder about the Elder Council and who their loyalties lie with. Whether they are just so uncaring of the situation up North because they don’t care about the barbarian Nords, and certainly they can’t defeat the legion! Or, perhaps (perhaps) the Thalmor have a finger in the Council’s honey jar? Which brings me to another point. Mede II.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Mede II’s assassination has a lot of implications. For one, there’s the question of who sanctioned it. Is it possible the council did like the DB mission seems to be hinting at? And if so, is it all of the council or just Motierre? Or someone else? Did the Thalmor want it? Or better yet, does any of this matter? In the question of security, no it does not because at the end of the day this is bad regardless unless the Empire pulls a Caesar out of their hat.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">But this is still a big point against security because even if they do, the transition of power will likely not be peaceful, and regardless, Emperors being assassinated is the biggest red flag against security that you can have, especially in a time of war. If there’s problems like this going on in the seat of power….either way, security being a point for the Empire seems a bit iffy with this going on.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;"> “The Empire is the Best Chance for a Victory Against the Thalmor”

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Is it? Are you sure about that? Because I see a few problems with this. First problem is that the Empire has alienated the Redguards by their actions in the great war, and abandoning their province to the Thalmor. That’s going to be an issue when the Thalmor come to fight, because Hammerfell in an Empire Victory unless provoked will likely see no reason to help Cyrodiil if attacked. They’ll have Skyrim, and maybe High Rock, but High Rock has been quiet so we don’t quite know that for sure, and The Empire will be fighting the Thalmor on a one on one front.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Now, in the event of a Stormcloak victory, lets say that Cyrodiil is attacked. Ulfric has made it clear that he intends to take the fight to the Thalmor. And he has been seeking help from High Rock. High Rock may also just be staying quiet to see who will win the great war. If so, that would mean maybe they’ll help either side regardless. Also, Hammerfell is much more likely to side with Skyrim than it is the Empire due to being abandoned. So in the event of a Stormcloak victory, the Redguards have a higher chance of being in the fight. This would put the Thalmor on a multiple front war.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> “NORDS ARE DEH RACUSTS. Empiyur es deh equalities”

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">No. The Empire not only is racist, they’re likely as racist as everyone else if not more. Because of how Imperialism works. Imperialism sets up a dominant culture, and the dominant culture is seen as supreme. This makes the members of that culture feel that their culture is necessary for others to function, or that theirs is just better in general.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> That’s a direct quote from Mr. Tullius. Nevermind that he starts respecting the Nords or whatever later (even though he still shows disregard at the end for nord culture when he says “Wherever it is you people go when you die” when talking to Ulfric), this shows the mentality of the Imperials. And make no mistake, that IS racist. And if you say that the Empire doesn’t have as many racists as Skyrim….

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Closing

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> The Empire allowed themselves to be caught off guard by the Thalmor, and had no idea that they had secretly sided with Bosmer in Valenwood, and was completely taken by surprise when they decided to take it. And now, the civilians in Valenwood are the ones who are paying, as the game has hinted to us through Delphine that the Thalmor are doing some Ethnic Cleansing. Or political purging. After something like this, and after the Khajiit seceded to join the Dominion after they claimed they returned the moons that disappeared (the moons are a big part of Khajiit culture), you’d think the Empire would have taken the Thalmor as a more serious threat. The Blades tried to warn them as well.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">. Go back a bit and look at Morrowind. During the Oblivion Crisis, the Empire, according to the DLC “Dragonborn”, abandoned their provinces in an attempt to protect Cyrodil:

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">“What can you tell me about House Hlaalu?”

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Traitors. The lot of them. Their collaboration with the Empire may have given them unrivaled political and economic strength, but their hearts weren’t with the Dunmer people. They had welcomed the Empire with open arms, and benefited from it.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">“I presume that was their downfall.”

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Hlaalu deserved every bit of the hatred they received once the Empire released its grasp on Morrowind.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">“What happened to house Hlaalu as a result?”

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Having past ties to the Empire immediately turned them into the scapegoat for the Dunmer people’s suffering. When everything was said and done, they were no longer recognized as a Great House and were dismissed from the Council.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1464160-the-empires-relationship-with-each-province/?p=22784624

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">They left Morrowind among other provinces unprotected to save themselves, and left everyone to the mercy of the Daedra. Morrowind citizens now resent the Empire despite it not being the same Dynasty.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">The developers made it a point for us to see that in game npc’s still treat this Empire as the Third and same Empire, despite this one being the Mede Dynasty.This is likely because even though the Emperor is different, the way the Empire or maybe the Elder Council operates is inherently the same. An example of this is Hammerfell.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">. Hammerfell during the Great War was attacked simultaneously with Cyrodiil by the Thalmor. Hammerfell at the time was in a state of constant infighting (note that they interfered in Skyrim’s infighting, but not Hammerfell’s) and were taken by surprise when the Thalmor came in.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Later during the war when the Thalmor sacked the Imperial city, the Empire ordered General Decianus to abandon his post and return to the Imperial City. If it were up to the ones in charge, the Empire would have completely abandoned Hammerfell right then and there. Luckily, the General decided to disobey his order, and discharged a large force of “invalids” to fight in Hammerfell.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">All this shows that even though the Empire has not always been under the same dynasty, they still treat their provinces the same. As expendable. Valenwood was a mistake on their part, as the Thalmor took them by surprise, but when you look at all these failings, it is clear that the Empire is just unable to protect their provinces whether it be their fault or not.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">After the heroic efforts of the Nords, Imperials and Bretons, even admittedly Titus Mede himself, the Empire finally took back the Imperial city. After this happened, the Empire signed the infamous White Gold Concordat, which would 1. Outlaw Talos Worship, and 2. Give away almost Half of Hammerfell to the Thalmor (admittedly already occupied by the elves.) While the Empire themselves could not afford to fight on, neither could the Thalmor. I used to believe that they could not know the Thalmor were as weak as they were, but the Great War book states that the info in the book was taken from the Thalmor themselves:. Author’s Note: Much of what is written in this book is pieced together from documents captured from the enemy during the war, interrogation of prisoners, and eyewitness accounts from surviving soldiers and Imperial officers. . And the book clearly states:. . In 4E 174, the Thalmor leadership committed all available forces to the campaign in Cyrodiil, gambling on a decisive victory to end the war once and for all. . This means the Empire had a good idea of the Thalmor’s state, but bought into their bluff anyway when they signed the White Gold Concordat. The Redguards of Hammerfell did not wish to give up their land so easy and wanted to fight on. The Empire instead of at least giving supplies to the Redguards or some kind of non combatant support instead just completely dropped Hammerfell as a province. They say they were forced, but the Thalmor, as they apparently knew, could not force anything.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">The Thalmor wouldn’t be in any position to assault Cyrodiil for sending supplies even if they wanted to. You may be thinking that the Empire would need those supplies to rebuild, and you’d be right. But the cost of a whole Province being lost is greater than at least meager support of military supplies so Hammerfell could defend itself, and take back it’s land. Now the Empire is out yet another Province, and they only have two, not counting Cyrodiil. . To reiterate:

<p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;">“Much of what is written in this book is pieced together from documents captured from the enemy during the war, interrogation of prisoners, and eyewitness accounts from surviving soldiers and Imperial officers.” K, now read this. “In 4E 174, the Thalmor leadership committed all available forces to the campaign in Cyrodiil, gambling on a decisive victory to end the war once and for all. During the spring, Aldmeri reinforcements gathered in southern Cyrodiil, and on 12th of Second Seed, they launched a massive assault on the Imperial City itself.” Now, there’s no way survivors or eye witnesses could know the info in the second quote, so that means they HAD to have gotten the info DURING the war, as the book said they did, because that is the only time they’d have access to prisoners, and that’s when they would have discovered their documents. This means the Empire KNEW how weak the Dominion was and they still caved. Talos: Since Ulfric is to blame for them coming, yes it is.

Ulfric: Prove it. Also, he killed him with a shout, a loading screen, Hold Guards, Sybille Stentor, Torygg and Elisif all say so.

1. Sovngarde is populated by less than 50 men, the lack of people is to blame on game mechanics.

Dominion: It's not gameplay, it's lore. Loading screens are canon.

Great War Two: Who says the Dominion will garrison many forces in Skyrim? The Empire nor the Redguards will know how many Dominion forces are in Skyrim, making them forced to spread their thin forces even more thin.

Unity of Tamriel

The Nords hold lands of the Redguards, the Redguards acknowledge that the Empire is needed to defeat the Dominion, so they wouldn't side with a faction that plans to attack them prior to the Empire. The Dunmer have no issue with the Dominion.

No I don't, because I'm a seasoned expert when it comes to the civil war.

Thalmor invasion

Ever heard of a navy? Something the Altmer are famous for? They can sail to Skyrim. Also, even if they did invade on land, you're overestimating the Nords. The Imperials were able to conqeur Skyrim in the Second Era. A naval invasion will be easy for them, Solitude is a clear point on their maps. They will simply invade Skyrim, conqeur Solitude by night and pillage and sack the cities and farms. Remember that the Stormcloaks intend to attack the Dominion first, the Dominion will invade Skyrim in their counter-attack. Aside from that, do you honestly think the Thalmor won't work out some pact with the Reachmen like they did in the Second Era? The Thalmor are brilliant strategists.

And yes there is a realistic scenario. The Empire won't back Skyrim; it's not ready for another war yet. Hammerfell won't back Skyrim either, due to a combination of a poor economy, bad relations with Skyrim, and the fact that Imperial aid is needed according to them to defeat the Dominion.

Power hungry Ulfric

Ulfric is only after the throne, hence why he says 'Damn the Jarls!' and 'Damn the Moot!'. He only likes traditions when they suit him, not to forget, Ulfric is famous for being a liar. He betrayed the Greybeards, the Empire and Skyrim itself, he even claims the Empire brands them criminals for 'wanting to rule themselves' while this is another obvious lie.

Torygg ruled over Skyrim. Ulfric was the jarl of 1/9th of Skyrim. If you honestly think a King should leave the Empire because of what 1/9th of the Jarls want you'd make a terrible king. But we all know Ulfric's 'politics' and both Balgruuf and Torygg prove it. In Ulfric's mind 'if you're not with me, you're against me.'

Ulfric used the thu'um, invalidating his claim to begin with. Also, Ulfric had already started his petty rebellion a couple of years prior to Torygg's death, so yes, he could've asked it, he was a criminal to begin with. It was murder, this is the lore as it is stated.

No they don't. Ulfric betrayed the Greybeards, the Way of the Voice is the one that those with the Thu'um follow. Further proving that Ulfric only likes traditions when they suit him.

“The Empire Brings Peace and Security To Tamriel”

Ask the Orcs? You do realise that in the Fourth Era there were two Legions send to Orsinium to defend it, right?

How did Morrowind fare with Tiber Septim when he conquered and united the provinces?

The Empire allows each province to keep to their own culture, so that argument goes out the window.

Cicero's journal mentions a skooma-war, Bravil is a major skooma-trafficking point and has been since the Third Era, nothing to do with the Legion.

Escaping fighting could be a reference to the Great War, we don't know.

Sending to many good soldiers would risk with Cyrodiil's defenses. The Empire knows the Dominion's strenght, they only need to do this and the Dominion invades again, they can't allow for anything to go wrong. Hence why there is an army assembling at Pale Pass to enter Skyrim.

Ships? What on earth are ships supposed to do? The Stormcloaks don't have a navy and barely have trade through sea.

Titus Mede II

Mede's death isn't canon as of yet.

“The Empire is the Best Chance for a Victory Against the Thalmor”

Hammerfell will back the Empire because they know that when the Empire falls -- they are next. With the Redguards on their own being terribly weak, they will back the Empire in a last attempt of victory against the Dominion.

The Dominion attacking Cyrodiil after a Stormcloak victory would be the kind of tactic someone without any millitary insight would make, the Dominion would attack Skyrim, why? Because it's at war with the Empire. The Redguards won't aid Skyrim either, Elinhir and Dragonstar, both of which belong to Hammerfell, are part of the Kingdom of Skyrim.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;"> “NORDS ARE DEH RACUSTS. Empiyur es deh equalities”

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">The Imperials aren't racist in the slightest, they allow everyone to join their ranks, they allow various cultures and religions in their Empire, they allow everyone to live in their capital, they allow people to build towns in their own style, etc. Without us refers to without the Legion, not without the Imperials. It's not racist when it's a fact. None of your bloody links prove a goddamn thing, none of them go to any political Imperial, while Ulfric is an obvious racist and a leader of a racist grouping.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Closing

<p style="font-weight:normal;">The Empire was busy regaining loyalties with the peoples of the Imperial provinces, not to forget, the PO supplied rebels in Valenwood, so it's nowhere near as one-sided as you think it is. The Penitus Oculatus, in fact, the entire Empire knew, as of 4E 40 that the Thalmor was their biggest threat, so don't go and spew around your ignorance.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">The Empire drawing forces from Morrowind is proven wrong by Chancellor Ocato and a Count in Cyrodiil, Redoran propaganda won't get you anywhere, they will take whatever is needed to make the Empire look bad.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">They intervened in Skyrim because, unlike in Hammerfell, Skyrim is trying to secede from the Empire. Hammerfell had always been plagued by civil war between the Crowns and the Forebears, neither of which were doing so because they wanted to leave the Empire.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Nowhere is it stated that Decianus was forced to take all his troops with him.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">All availabe forces =/= all forces. The Dominion being able to win the First War with the Empire is a fact. The book doesn't state that the Dominion was weak. Them commiting all available forces doesn't mean they send huge chunks of their army.

Look at my other posted stuff, like how skyrim could defend itself, more to back up Ulfric, and overall, compleately coutner your point just by existing.