Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-8248675-20130606043855/@comment-8248675-20140219195328

Indeed, I heard of Shor and Lorkhan are being different dieties. At the battle of Red Mountain (I think second one, cannot remember), Nords were tricked by Dagoth Ur to participate, since he convinced them that Dwemer had kept the heart of their god in secret all that time. From the way that Nords think of Shor, also makes more sense in believing that Shor is also Lorkhan. But it could be the same concept as Alduin was created from Auriel and Akatosh created from Alduin. Don't ask how Akatosh was crated from his own first born son. They say it's a confusing matter to understand, similar to the son of Shor, father of Shor. The way how some people believe it happened, was that Hjalti was Shezarine himself, then when Wulfharth taught him Th'um, he became Talos and took Wulfharth into himself. Then he took the Zurin Arctus into himself and became Tiber Septim. They say that in that way, he became three Shezarine's in one and that basically lifted him to the status similar to Shor/Lorkhan (Or at least the way I understand that). All in all, when he ascended to god hood, he took the place that originaly was of Lorkhan. There were 9 divines originally, who had the hand in finalizing Mondus, even if one of them contributed in death. After the death of Lorkhan, there were 8 but he was still called "Missing god", which meant that his spot among the divines was vacant. It was vacant, until new devine, so much like Lorkhan, since he manteled him, took that spot and became Talos. Some even suggested that it is Talos that actually rules over Sovengarde, it just those who speak of him as Shor, only know him as such. Tsun had came to Sovengarde basically with Shor and the Tongues came there before Talos was a devine. Perhaps in some sense, Shor can appear as Talos as well. But really, it's all a bit complicated for me to comprehend. But they say that the way Tiber Septim was able to appear in two places at once, was because he was really three Shezarines in one, two of them were spirits that somehow merged with him. We know for sure that Wulfhearth of Atmora was a spirit by the time he though Hjalti the Th'um and I believe Zurin Arctus was killed when they tried to power Numidium and was also used by Talos as spirit. The people who shared those views with me, are in lore groups of Elder Scrolls on facebook. Some of them believe that Elder Scrolls Wikia is a bad place for lore and anyone with half a mind for lore will avoid Wikia. However, I find the discussions here, quite insightful. I believe that Wikia can be turned into a more valid source of information, providing that people who are serius about lore will communicate here. Oh and over there, the debate of MK's latest work is just as heated. Everyone is entitled to their own opinon and I don't have anything against Michael Kirkbride, but that new lore that he wrote in coda, isn't exactly my kind of idea of elder scrolls. I am quite comfortable with elder scrolls to be more of ancient/medieval setting and all of the sudden going to futuristic setting, is kind of a bit too much. But let's not discuss this in this topic. Just one thing, I though that that coda was supposed to take place in 5th era, not 10th. The year 591 of 5th Era. That sounds quite close to events of Skyrim. That unless 4th era will not end for a while. Remember, 1st era lasted more then a 1000 of years or so. But never mind that, I think I am spaming my own topic with this, just wanted to mention some of my opinions.