The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 July 4

QueenFinelia it's time :D XN3RDXD3RPX time? Cheatcodechamp Ok everybody, the Moot is now starting. We will give some time for people to show up, so if you have firends on FB, let them know if they should be here Project:Moot For those new to this, please read the rules, all are welcome to attend, but we ask that the policy is held to help speed this along and do the most with the time we have. QueenFinelia time for the moot :3 Cheatcodechamp Before Atve officially starts it, do we have any questions? QueenFinelia RenzXVl are you there? :3 Zerospaced have fun yall gonna go play god of war Zerospaced has left the chat. RenzXVl Hi, I am just in time... I will not say anything now Lol Atvelonis I'll PM you the results of each decision just for quick reference CCC Cheatcodechamp Ok, thanks QueenFinelia ok :D Atvelonis Alright, it's ten after The moot starts now Cheatcodechamp Jarjar is not here, should we skip his then? Atvelonis Yeah, you can go first Cheatcodechamp Ok then: My first order of concern is quest and new editiors interacting with the Moot. While we all agree they are welcome to be here, I worry that allowing them to vote may effect things. My question is simple. Do we allow new or inactive editors to be involved? guest, not quest Atvelonis Done? Cheatcodechamp I open the floor Atvelonis Ok, then discuss Timeoin has joined the chat. KINMUNE Hello there, Timeoin! Timeoin Hello :) Atvelonis hey tim Timeoin Told you I'd make it ... eventually ;) QueenFinelia hi Timeoin Cheatcodechamp We are discussing if new or inactive editiors should be able to vote in the moot Gaming Foxy bye now i don't think i will add much so i will take my leave Cheatcodechamp You sure? nobody seems to have a thought in this matter Timeoin Wait ... no ... you're welcome :) I do :) Gaming Foxy has left the chat. RenzXVl I vote for a (no) ... I have no idea in editing so I shouldn't vote at all. XP I'd just be a witness Timeoin What do you mean by guest editors? I thought we couldnt get anons in chat ? Khajiiti Nerd has left the chat. Cheatcodechamp People who come in just to see the Moot, or came in the chat during a moot. Timeoin Hmm XN3RDXD3RPX like me, just I was unaware until now Timeoin Personally - I am for including them :) QueenFinelia me too :3 Cheatcodechamp They are welcome of course, but should those who are not a part of the active community be allowed to vote. I am including those who are active members of the chat as those allowed to be invovled Timeoin the "non-regular" editors (such as yourself, XN), will feel kinda unwelcome if we don't give them a chance to vote :) QueenFinelia yep :/ Timeoin (i.e. if they are committed enough to be here - they have a voice :P) RenzXVl I just won't vote about anything I have no knowledgein... :D XN3RDXD3RPX That's one way to put it. Timeoin Having said that - most Sundays, I'm working at this time, so I might not be able to be here regularly :\ XN3RDXD3RPX Would you like a little input from me, if I may? Atvelonis Sure Timeoin Yes :) Khajiiti Nerd has joined the chat. Timeoin Timeoin welcomes Khajiiti Nerd XN3RDXD3RPX The people who aren't regulars, such as myself, don't really know what is going on, and will probably evade it anyway, and just in case you get troll attacked or something, then you do not want them all having a say and making bad decisions, so you may want to come to trust those members before you allow them to vote, say, see them X amounts of times in here and then you can include them in all this, given that they want in. Perhaps? Cheatcodechamp There are members of chat who are not "active" on the wiki. I dont want them to feel they dont have a say because they dont have a ton of edits to their names. Timeoin The only downside to that that I can see is that it can (maybe) make people feel like they aren't included. I know if I took the time to attend something, that I cared enough about it, I'd probably want to at least have the option to have my voice included :) XN3RDXD3RPX Well, they are active on chat, right? Cheatcodechamp I say voice can be freely given, its votes I start to worry. I wanted to know the wikis thoughts on that RenzXVl I still disagree with the vote part.... But any opinion or suggestion should be welcome... Timeoin I think they should be given a vote, but that's just me :) XN3RDXD3RPX Yeah I don't know, like I said, I'm no regular around here, I come in once or twice a month to see if I can catch up with any old amigos from last year Atvelonis Alright, so vote ( y ) or ( n ) so I can tally this when you've each made decisions (y), (n) Cheatcodechamp So I guess the vote will be if guest can vote. Timeoin (y) RenzXVl (n) Pretty ironic voting no against allowing myself to vote XD Cheatcodechamp thinking this over, I say (y) , assuming we can use good judgement if this person is here to help or troll XN3RDXD3RPX (y) just be careful, though. Timeoin A question, Renz? QueenFinelia (y) yeah with common sense Timeoin You want to help, correct? :) RenzXVl Yes? Cheatcodechamp Renz, I have seen you here a bit, you would be trusted to vote if you wished Timeoin Like ... you may be inexperienced (so far), but you want to contribute? :) RenzXVl I do... But I am more into opinions though. :p Timeoin That's why we are all saying you should be allowed to vote :) Believe it or not - we were all new once ;) RenzXVl Ok. :p Cheatcodechamp Except Tim, he came in with his edit count :D Timeoin XD QueenFinelia xD Timeoin I was actually a bureaucrat at a wiki outside of wikia before I came here :P im just really old :D Atvelonis Alright, so four (y) and one (n), any other votes before this vote is concluded? Cheatcodechamp So even if Renz still says no, it seems we are in agreement Atvelonis UAM you have anything to add? RenzXVl He slept Cheatcodechamp !ゆ RenzXVl Might not be awake yet... I told him to put up an alarm I guess he slept through it Cheatcodechamp !UAM RenzXVl He was deciding not to attend... I told him to nap instead and let that decide if he can make it :p QueenFinelia oh yeah his nap D: Timeoin /bs say #TESWiki wake up UAM Cheatcodechamp I should sell him engery drinks...Anyway, Atve, it seems we agree, should we settle this topic? KINMUNE has left the chat. XN3RDXD3RPX Guys, I know it's irrelevant, but what is that lake called in the south of Skyrim? (I'm not good with names) Cheatcodechamp Well crap. Timeoin wait - what? Atvelonis So if there are no other votes, the new member decision passes 4-1 Ilinalta or something like that, XN3 Cheatcodechamp Should we continue without the both RenzXVl Lake Ilinata Atvelonis We'll log it manually Anyway, CCC, next topic XN3RDXD3RPX Thanks Renz. Timeoin Lake Ilinalta (the lake) Cheatcodechamp My second concern involve helping another wiki. the Aliens species wiki to be exact. Their wiki focuses on non human races from movies, comics, and games. Including elder scrolls. The reason I came up with this is that they are useing a UESP image, and some of us still remember how UESP feels about this. To help them, and to prevent UESP from calling theft (if they would even do so in this case) I feel we as a wiki should help others, even more so if content relating to us is involved. there is a method to use images from a different wiki, so they would not have to upload. I say we offer our images as use for their articles, so they have content for these articles. If need be, I think I would enjoy helping with this project to help get our name out there and better improve our image as a wiki. I release the floor to the community. Timeoin I'll let others have their say first :) Cheatcodechamp the other wiki BTW: http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Dreugh Like I said, I think this will be a good way to help them, and start building better relations between wikis. QueenFinelia I don't see any reason why we shouldn't :3 Timeoin I think that we should a) Probably get our own image for Dreugh and failing that b) do what you suggested and allow them to use our images :) er... b ) not glasses guy Cheatcodechamp I think we finally have our own image for Dreugh Atvelonis We have a few for the dreugh Khajiiti Nerd has left the chat. Cheatcodechamp About time, I think it is the most stoel UESP image RenzXVl Maybe allow sharing pictures but credit the source somehow? Cheatcodechamp I could talk to them about a deal of some short that allows them to borrow form us and credit our assitance QueenFinelia sounds good Atvelonis Now vote (y) or (n) everyone Cheatcodechamp (y) QueenFinelia but yeah we probably need a better image of the Dreugh Timeoin (y) QueenFinelia (y) Atvelonis The one on Dreugh (Morrowind) is decent Timeoin (side note: thats because Morrowind is awesome ;) XN3RDXD3RPX Have we got our own image for Frost Dragons? Because I have one of those that we could use. Atvelonis So that's three supports, no opposes for image use QueenFinelia
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Atvelonis Yes we have frost dragon images XN3RDXD3RPX Cool Atvelonis Frost Dragon Several images Cheatcodechamp Renz or XN3 have thoughts on this? or Jsboss? RenzXVl Ok I'd vote then. :p (y) but with source crediting... Atvelonis 4 support, 0 oppose Any last votes? XN3RDXD3RPX None from me Emperor Jarjarkine has joined the chat. Atvelonis hey jarjar Cheatcodechamp Hey Jar Timeoin Hey Jar :) Atvelonis CCC, explain to jarjar what we just voted on QueenFinelia hi Jarjar :3 RenzXVl Hey Emperor Jarjarkine Timeoin we just voted to officially absorb all the wikis on wikia ;) Cheatcodechamp I am doing so in PM We will absorb the rest next week :D Atvelonis @Tim: We're going to absorb all the facebook groups too, it's just a matter of time... heh Timeoin lol Atvelonis Emperor Jarjarkine Hey o0 Is this Timeoin o0 QueenFinelia
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Timeoin And now you secretly know the reason I started up the wiki in the first place :D Cheatcodechamp So motion passed? Emperor Jarjarkine Timeoin I needed an army so we could take over the lesser wikis and fb grounds ;) Atvelonis Vote passed, 4-0 Jarjar, you should go now ゆ has left the chat. Timeoin heh. sockpuppet confirmed :P tells Jarjar to go, and UAM leaves :P Emperor Jarjarkine Okay Sorry for the late ^^ So now, I think we should get an Admin Dashboard for few reasons Atvelonis Don't we have one? Special:AdminDashboard Emperor Jarjarkine Not this one xD Timeoin Emperor Jarjarkine for the reports, questions and problems for administrators Timeoin I thought we just bugged you when we had problems ;) Cheatcodechamp Ah, I was thinking something like this template: http://black-sails.wikia.com/wiki/User:Cheatcodechamp Sorry Jarjar, continue Emperor Jarjarkine okay ^^ some kind of things like this:http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Board:Admin_noticeboard or this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Administrators'_noticeboard Atvelonis Ah, on the forum. Alright, is that it jarjar for this topic? Emperor Jarjarkine yeah Atvelonis Okay, commence voting then Cheatcodechamp Jarjar, do you feel this would be used a lot? Timeoin I'd like to just question how exactly it would work? Emperor Jarjarkine hmm Timeoin (because currently, we have the consensus track - would it replace that instead? :) Emperor Jarjarkine well, @CCC, i think it probably would be usefull but, alot, i'm not sure @Timeoin, nope, it's for the problem via the administrative stuff Timeoin I.e. problems with templates, or what have you? Emperor Jarjarkine tim,http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Administrators'_noticeboard_archive Timeoin http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:NB:I_have_found_a_discrepancy_in_the_sorzus_syn_page.?t=20150610215041 first one i clicked XD Emperor Jarjarkine xD Timeoin okay - I think it could be very useful having that PROVIDING that it doesn't supercede the Consensus Track threads:) Cheatcodechamp I see no harm in trying it, if it turns out our wiki dosnt need it then no harm no foul Timeoin i.e. if theres something wrong - that thread. If people want something changed - (because of policy, or just general change) then the CT thread. But yes - I support this (y) Emperor Jarjarkine i do as well (y) Atvelonis has left the chat. QueenFinelia (y) Timeoin I have a message from Atvelonis Cheatcodechamp (y) Timeoin he says "America calls" Cheatcodechamp I will step in as leader then QueenFinelia oh he went to shoot fireworks? Cheatcodechamp (c) QueenFinelia ok Cheatcodechamp so, including my vote, this is approved 4-0 any last thoughts or votes? Then its settled Jarjar's move is passed. Tim, You had a motion? Timeoin I did ? Oh, yeah :P Cheatcodechamp when you are ready the floor is yours Timeoin A while ago, I started a project where I was slowly removing some of the disambiguation pages, and replacing them with articles instead starting with the Location pages - making them into lore pages, for example. And then having the game-specific ones feed of that For example, Windhelm as the "main" page, with game-specific pages at Windhelm (Skyrim) and Windhelm (Online) (incidentally - thats cool how the chat changes that for me :P ) was looking at expanding this to other things, too, if the need for it arises. off the top example - have a page explaining what Destruction is, and then having examples for each game separately :) Cheatcodechamp Is that all Tim? Timeoin I think so :P Cheatcodechamp Then the floor is open, discuss Timeoin just wanted to know peoples thoughts on that Khajiiti Nerd has joined the chat. QueenFinelia yes disambiguation pages are annoying, I like how this gives something instead Cheatcodechamp Anybody else have thoughts or comments? Emperor Jarjarkine AH Timeoin ah? Emperor Jarjarkine i was sure i was lagging i agree with this ^^ Cheatcodechamp no, he said "AH" Emperor Jarjarkine oh Timeoin An important distinction, that 9:05 Emperor Jarjarkine xD QueenFinelia
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Emperor Jarjarkine Also, i'll have another topic Cheatcodechamp Anyway, do we need to vote on something? Or are we just stating the project? QueenFinelia I also like how your positioned the links, it's not all in your face you've* Timeoin Yes - lets vote on whether thats a good idea :P Cheatcodechamp Ok, Vote QueenFinelia (y) Timeoin slowly removing disambigs and replace them with articles, where we can Emperor Jarjarkine (y) Timeoin (y) (obviously :P I like these moots - we all agree on everything just about :P Emperor Jarjarkine
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Timeoin like like your Grand Moff Meetings ;) (see what I did there? :P ) 9:07 Emperor Jarjarkine xD Cheatcodechamp last call to vote? with all others in chat away, I think we can close this vote Ok, Jar, I have to leave in ten minutes Timeoin I have a second topic for discussion then :P Cheatcodechamp Can we do your think in that time? Emperor Jarjarkine hmm i think i'll keep it for next week :) Timeoin or it can wait for Jar-Jars one? Cheatcodechamp Tim? how about you? Timeoin Yeah - mine's pretty easy :P Cheatcodechamp Then go Timeoin just a general request for the wiki :) Cheatcodechamp I will BRB, talk and stuff Timeoin Folks, if you're gonna create new ESO pages (which is great) can you please also add a link to that page where relevant? i.e. if you add a character from Wayrest (Online) can you also add that on the list of characters on Wayrest (Online) its making the admin's jobs a nightmare atm :( Emperor Jarjarkine I have to go :/ Timeoin Special:LonelyPages?limit=250&offset=0 <-- this is why its a problem, incidentally we havent had that many since Skyrim game out :P Emperor Jarjarkine Cya and thanks tim'boy for bein here on the moot :o Timeoin no problem :) I should probably go do my work training :P since that officially why I went in the study. lol so - bye folks :( QueenFinelia bye :3 Cheatcodechamp Ok, matters covered? QueenFinelia I think so Timeoin I think so Cheatcodechamp Then I will copy the logs and call this moot to a close Timeoin also - it was nice to meet you, Renz, N3rd, and QueenFinelia :) Cheatcodechamp My update may be delayed, I hope not to much so
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