The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 June 27

That's 5 support, 0 oppose for Report Code. That's 5 support, 0 oppose for Guilds That's 0 Support, 5 Oppose for Archiving. That's 6 Support, 0 Oppose for Gan and Fan That's 6 Support, 0 Oppose for Minimum Vote Percentage. That's 0 Support, 4 Oppose for Minimum CT Votes. That's 7 Support, 0 Oppose for Lore Guild Collaboration. That's 5 Support, 0 Oppose for Moot Shortcut That's 4 Supports, 0 Oppose for Travel Templates. That's 5 Support, 0 Oppose for New Speculation Categories That's 4 Support, 0 Oppose for New guilds.
 * 00:00:27: Madman97: It's time for the Moot everyone. Anyone who is not here for it, please take your conversations to the PM's.
 * 00:00:27: Atvelonis: We'll wait 10 minutes for everyone to show up though
 * 00:00:30: King of the nerds: all hail to dovahkiin you are the emperor in your great honor we fuck whores
 * 00:00:47: Madman97: Well, I suppose we can let people talk while we wait.
 * 00:00:52: ゆ: Auto is a no-show, as is CCC and Jarjar
 * 00:01:07: Madman97: Your sure?
 * 00:01:10: RenzXVl: Jarjar was here but bailed for some reason...
 * 00:01:12: Atvelonis: Really? Would've thought at least CCC and Jarjar would have shown up.
 * 00:01:15: Atvelonis: That's unusual
 * 00:01:25: Atvelonis: Well for Jarjar it's like 2am this isn't really surprising
 * 00:01:25: Madman97: Did they message you or something?
 * 00:01:26: ゆ: Well, they've signed up, but they're not here
 * 00:01:35: Madman97: Oh well we can wait ten minutes.
 * 00:01:41: Atvelonis: I'm talking to CCC on FB, he isn't answering
 * 00:01:43: Atvelonis: Probably just busy
 * 00:01:51: Atvelonis: But he'll show
 * 00:01:52: King of the nerds: Like it know parody of age of appression
 * 00:02:01: Madman97: If they arrive late, no problem.
 * 00:02:13: Madman97: Opression, Nerd.
 * 00:02:14: King of the nerds: Age of dovahkiin
 * 00:02:20: ゆ: As preperation, if and when Jarjar comes, the topic at hand will be: Update Guilds, Warning Templates, Adding TESWiki Category to Project, Archiving Archives, Report Code Ideas, Archiving Nominations for Articles
 * 00:02:32: Madman97: Yeah, I got it all down already.
 * 00:02:43: QueenFinelia: I think he means age of aggression
 * 00:02:44: Madman97: I have the Moot page open and I can see everyones topics.
 * 00:02:49: Atvelonis: I do as well
 * 00:03:08: Atvelonis: If Jarjar doesn't show up are you going to do the presentation for him madman?
 * 00:03:12: ゆ: Saying it in here for officialness' sake
 * 00:03:28: Madman97: I can't. Moot leader must not be biased in any way.
 * 00:03:33: Atvelonis: Oh yes
 * 00:03:35: Atvelonis: Forgot
 * 00:03:46: ゆ: I don't know what he would be presenting
 * 00:03:49: Atvelonis: Yo my man dovah
 * 00:03:54: ゆ: Sup Dovah
 * 00:03:59: Madman97: Hey Dovah.
 * 00:04:01: Dovahsebrom: so is the moot going now
 * 00:04:07: QueenFinelia: soon
 * 00:04:09: Madman97: We're waiting ten minutes for everyone to arrive.
 * 00:04:10: Atvelonis: We're waiting a few minutes for everyone to show up
 * 00:04:40: Madman97: Aha!
 * 00:04:42: Atvelonis: Oh good
 * 00:04:43: Madman97: Knew he'd be here.
 * 00:04:45: Atvelonis: hey jarjar
 * 00:04:49: ゆ: There's Jarjar, at least
 * 00:04:52: Emperor Jarjarkine: Hey hey sorry for being late !
 * 00:05:04: Madman97: CCC isn't presenting, so it's no big deal if he doesn't show.
 * 00:05:06: ゆ: We'll have to go without Auto and CCC.
 * 00:05:10: Emperor Jarjarkine: I'm not at home currently :/
 * 00:05:19: Madman97: The Presenters are here at least.
 * 00:05:24: Madman97: Where you at Jarjar?
 * 00:06:03: Emperor Jarjarkine: I'm in my friend's home
 * 00:06:07: Madman97: I see.
 * 00:06:18: ゆ: Well, then, shall we begin? What you wanna talk about, jarjar?
 * 00:06:23: RenzXVl: Make your friend join the moot XD
 * 00:06:26: Madman97: Well hold on now.
 * 00:06:32: Madman97: Ten minutes was the time we wait.
 * 00:06:36: Atvelonis: Four now
 * 00:06:43: Madman97: Yeah
 * 00:06:53: RenzXVl: Ok, I will shut up now... Goodluck guys. :D
 * 00:07:17: Madman97: And as proper procedure goes, I will give the introductions and everyone will be quiet and I will as Jarjar to procede.
 * 00:07:28: Madman97: "I will ask"
 * 00:07:42: Madman97: Three minutes
 * 00:07:43: ゆ: We gotta make a rule for being tardy for the next one
 * 00:07:55: Madman97: You can bring it up when you go UAM
 * 00:08:09: ゆ: Will do, I'll take note of it.
 * 00:08:20: Emperor Jarjarkine: Really sorry
 * 00:08:32: Atvelonis: Nah it's alright jarjar
 * 00:08:43: Madman97: Ten minute tardiness is not much to fret over. It's after that time is the concern.
 * 00:09:00: Madman97: As Moot Leader, I will be keeping track of votes.
 * 00:09:14: QueenFinelia: more people will probably join through out
 * 00:09:22: Emperor Jarjarkine: I'll take care of the log/summary
 * 00:09:29: Madman97: Perhaps I can PM someone the results so to keep record? Atvelonis, would you mind?
 * 00:09:34: Atvelonis: Sure
 * 00:09:38: Atvelonis: That works
 * 00:10:02: Emperor Jarjarkine: Can I have the MP as well ?
 * 00:10:28: Madman97: Don't see why not.
 * 00:10:31: Atvelonis: Sure
 * 00:10:36: Atvelonis: 8:10 now, let's get started
 * 00:10:41: Atvelonis: Madman?
 * 00:10:43: Madman97: Ok everyone it's time! Please silence yourselves while I write the intro
 * 00:10:55: Madman97: Take all conversations to PM's.
 * 00:11:05: Madman97: Remember, interuppting anyone here is grounds for kicking!
 * 00:12:04: Lord Vehk: Then I will sit quietly......
 * 00:12:07: Madman97: Today we have three people presenting, EmperorJarjarkine, Atvelonis, and UAM. Emperor, please present your topics in the order of your choosing. State when you are completely finished and I will call for a discussion afterwards.
 * 00:12:27: Emperor Jarjarkine: Sure
 * 00:13:14: Madman97: I may ask you to present in the clearest manner possible. Proceed when ready.
 * 00:13:21: Emperor Jarjarkine: So right now, I'd like to present you my code. I created a while ago and, i'm sure it'll be super useufull to everyone.
 * 00:14:00: Emperor Jarjarkine: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AEmperor_Jarjarkine/Report.js
 * 00:14:22: Emperor Jarjarkine: When you are in the hist page,you'll see a link (report)
 * 00:14:41: Emperor Jarjarkine: If you click on it, you'll get to the report page to report the vandalism
 * 00:15:06: Emperor Jarjarkine: exemple, (cur | prev) 22:16, March 23, 2015‎ Emperor Jarjarkine (Talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (4,160 bytes) (0)‎ . . (rollback | undo | report | AJAX Undo)
 * 00:15:30: Emperor Jarjarkine: Done.
 * 00:16:02: Emperor Jarjarkine: Madman ? Your turn
 * 00:16:33: Madman97: Thank you Everyone, please engage in an orderly discussion about Jarjar's idea. Support or Oppose?
 * 00:16:53: Madman97: As a Presenter, Jarjar can give his own vote.
 * 00:16:58: Atvelonis: So it takes you to the Vandalism in progress page?
 * 00:17:16: Atvelonis: Like, does it report them automatically or do you still have to type the report yourself?
 * 00:17:17: Emperor Jarjarkine: exacly but, in the edit mode of the section to report
 * 00:17:29: Emperor Jarjarkine: you'll have to type it
 * 00:17:58: ゆ: I was about to ask if accidetally clicking it would be an issue, but if it takes you to an edit screen, I see no reason why not
 * 00:18:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: I will try to update it so that it'll add the report automaticly but now, it only leads you to the edit mode on the proper section
 * 00:18:12: Atvelonis: Look who showed up
 * 00:18:18: Cheatcodechamp: sry, was asleep
 * 00:18:20: Atvelonis: Anyway, I suppose this couldn't hurt
 * 00:18:26: Atvelonis: CCC it's like 8 why are you asleep
 * 00:18:33: Cheatcodechamp: tired
 * 00:18:35: Madman97: Excellent, CCC. We were just having a discussion on Jarjar's idea. Feel free to jump in.
 * 00:18:39: Emperor Jarjarkine: xD
 * 00:18:48: Madman97: I would recommend reading through it first above
 * 00:19:08: ゆ: Should we use the (y) and (n) emotes to give our vote?
 * 00:19:25: Madman97: Just say Support or Oppose. Not everyone knows how to do the emoticon
 * 00:19:28: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 00:19:32: Atvelonis: ( y )
 * 00:19:38: Dovahsebrom: (y)
 * 00:19:40: ゆ: (y)
 * 00:19:41: Madman97: Or we could just show it.
 * 00:19:44: Madman97: (y)
 * 00:19:46: Emperor Jarjarkine: (y) As the nominator
 * 00:19:47: QueenFinelia: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Emoticons
 * 00:19:57: Madman97: Motion passed XD
 * 00:20:05: Cheatcodechamp: Yay
 * 00:20:07: Madman97: Alright, back on track.
 * 00:20:09: Cheatcodechamp: What is it?
 * 00:20:21: Madman97: Emperor, please explain.
 * 00:20:32: Cheatcodechamp: Atve sent me a link
 * 00:20:42: Cheatcodechamp: Im late Ill catch up later
 * 00:20:56: Madman97: Everyone else, please continue.
 * 00:21:15: Madman97: After a set amount of time, I'll call for a vote.
 * 00:21:23: Madman97: To make room for other subjects.
 * 00:21:41: ゆ: What's the set amount of time?
 * 00:21:58: Madman97: When it seems to go on too long. I don't have the details hammered down.
 * 00:22:03: Atvelonis: Hold on Jarjar, would we activate this ourselves by doing a /Report.js thing?
 * 00:22:14: Atvelonis: Or would it go in the wiki's CSS?
 * 00:22:19: Emperor Jarjarkine: Wiki's JS
 * 00:22:24: Atvelonis: Yeah JS
 * 00:22:26: Atvelonis: What I meant
 * 00:22:29: Atvelonis: Ok gotcha
 * 00:22:32: Emperor Jarjarkine: aye
 * 00:22:46: Emperor Jarjarkine: So, here i go for the second topic
 * 00:22:54: Madman97: Wait a sec
 * 00:23:03: Madman97: We should decide on this topic now.
 * 00:23:08: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 00:23:13: ゆ: It's 5 support to 0 opposes
 * 00:23:15: Dovahsebrom: Thought we already did
 * 00:23:18: Madman97: So we don't have one big deiscussion about all of them later.
 * 00:23:30: Atvelonis: Yeah that's what those 5 (y) were earlier
 * 00:23:34: Madman97: Oh, I thought that was just to show the emoticon
 * 00:23:42: Madman97: Alright, 5 to 0.
 * 00:23:48: Madman97: Support. Motion passed.
 * 00:23:52: Madman97: Ill keep it down.
 * 00:23:59: Madman97: Emperor, next topic please.
 * 00:24:03: Emperor Jarjarkine: Now, about the guilds.
 * 00:25:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: *So yeah, When I created the guild project with 3C, I gave him few suggestions but, I told him that If the project was working, I'd create an update with few changes So since so far, the guild project is a succes, i created this update: User:Emperor Jarjarkine/Update of the Guild Now the new things are
 * 00:25:34: Emperor Jarjarkine: different
 * 00:25:50: Emperor Jarjarkine: As you can see, there's a taskboard
 * 00:26:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: So 1) Anyone who takes on a job gets points that goes towards a nomination for member of the month for the guild in question. The person with the most gets the spot.
 * 00:26:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: 2) We can now work on an article under the name of the guild and then, nominate it for a status.
 * 00:27:23: Emperor Jarjarkine: So yeah, every updates are on the page. I'm now done.
 * 00:27:31: Madman97: Everyone, please discuss.
 * 00:27:40: ゆ: Are those 2 points the only changes?
 * 00:27:55: Emperor Jarjarkine: Well, yeah
 * 00:28:17: ゆ: Alright, apologies, I'm not too familiar with the Guild system.
 * 00:28:53: Dovahsebrom: Can you elaborate a bit more on the first change? Are you saying each guild has their own MOTM?
 * 00:29:06: Emperor Jarjarkine: exacly
 * 00:29:26: Atvelonis: Will this have any correlation to the normal MOTM?
 * 00:29:32: Emperor Jarjarkine: ah and also, for the task board, the pages there are at the master's discretion, like the reward but, it must be 100-500 gold
 * 00:29:34: Emperor Jarjarkine: not at all
 * 00:29:36: ゆ: Seems fun, I like the idea of multiple MotMs, especially when multiple strong users come through in one month
 * 00:29:49: Atvelonis: So it'd just be a guild thing
 * 00:29:54: Emperor Jarjarkine: Yeah
 * 00:30:31: Emperor Jarjarkine: If I make any other updates,i'll tell you during the next meetings
 * 00:30:32: ゆ: I like the added incentive for regular editors to continue their work, it's like in and of itself.
 * 00:30:53: ゆ: As a result, I give it up a big fat (y)
 * 00:31:02: Atvelonis: Yeah, I think it'll encourage people to work in the guilds more
 * 00:31:03: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 00:31:08: Dovahsebrom: It might create competition though
 * 00:31:14: Atvelonis: That's the point I think
 * 00:31:16: ゆ: Competition is great
 * 00:31:17: Atvelonis: Make them compete
 * 00:31:20: Emperor Jarjarkine: hé hé hé
 * 00:31:21: Atvelonis: So they work harder
 * 00:31:28: Atvelonis: Pump out better articles
 * 00:31:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: And, it cannot be turned in crappy edits for points
 * 00:31:40: Emperor Jarjarkine: Unlike the badges
 * 00:32:32: Madman97: I got two (y) down for Support. Can I get another say?
 * 00:32:48: Emperor Jarjarkine: well, you should start the vote ?
 * 00:32:51: Dovahsebrom: I'm just not sure if that would work out well for the lore guild
 * 00:32:54: Emperor Jarjarkine: we were just discussing right ?
 * 00:32:58: Atvelonis: Dovah
 * 00:33:00: Atvelonis: You are like
 * 00:33:01: Atvelonis: Godly
 * 00:33:19: Atvelonis: I'm sure we could change it a bit
 * 00:33:32: Emperor Jarjarkine: If it doesn't, I'll find a way to make it work so it'll suite the guild
 * 00:33:37: Madman97: @Jarjar. Well people were tossing their supports in. Votes can be in discussion I guess. Make it run faster
 * 00:33:43: ゆ: I'm just sitting here in my lack of a guild like :(
 * 00:33:47: Madman97: Votes can change
 * 00:34:26: Dovahsebrom: I'll just say I'm neutral
 * 00:34:42: Madman97: That's no vote. Anyone else have a say?
 * 00:34:49: Atvelonis: CCC?
 * 00:34:49: Madman97: It is encouraged EVERYONE speaks.
 * 00:34:50: Cheatcodechamp: Im in support of it
 * 00:34:51: QueenFinelia: (y)
 * 00:34:55: Emperor Jarjarkine: well I (y)
 * 00:35:08: Atvelonis: We can work out the details as we go
 * 00:35:10: Cheatcodechamp: I talked with Jarjar in the passed about this, liked it then, and want to see how it playes out
 * 00:35:13: ゆ: That's 3 more votes
 * 00:35:23: Madman97: We got five supports, no opposes. Anyone else?
 * 00:35:29: Cheatcodechamp: Also, darn nap made me groggy...
 * 00:35:52: Cheatcodechamp: I think its settled
 * 00:35:59: Madman97: Anyone else?
 * 00:36:04: Madman97: Going once...
 * 00:36:14: ゆ: KINMUNE, give a vote pls
 * 00:36:37: Madman97: Going twice...
 * 00:36:38: QueenFinelia: lol can it do that?
 * 00:36:43: ゆ: nah
 * 00:36:48: ゆ: wish it could
 * 00:36:52: QueenFinelia: yeah
 * 00:37:05: Madman97: SOLD. Next topic Please, Jarjar!
 * 00:37:11: Emperor Jarjarkine: Here i am !
 * 00:37:26: Emperor Jarjarkine: The next oneS and yeah, i said S, will be about Archiving
 * 00:37:49: Emperor Jarjarkine: This week ,I worked on a way to archive the archives. Let me explain.
 * 00:38:14: Emperor Jarjarkine: I made a code that desable the archives so that we wont be able to edit it, since it's an archive anyway.
 * 00:38:59: Emperor Jarjarkine: For the pages abou the elder scrolls Wika only so, not the discussions pages, look at this:
 * 00:39:17: Emperor Jarjarkine: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Requests_for_removal_of_user_rights/Archive/Game_Lore
 * 00:40:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: So, yeah if it it's accepted, i'll take care of the update
 * 00:40:16: Emperor Jarjarkine: Madman, your turn !
 * 00:40:26: Madman97: Everyone, please discuss
 * 00:40:34: ゆ: Whaaa-?
 * 00:40:48: ゆ: I'm not quite sure what this would mean
 * 00:41:07: Emperor Jarjarkine: It would mean that, the archives wont be editable
 * 00:41:30: Emperor Jarjarkine: Since it's an archive anyway
 * 00:41:37: ゆ: Does this effect user talk-pages?
 * 00:41:47: Emperor Jarjarkine: if you put it on it, it will
 * 00:41:48: Cheatcodechamp: So admin would not have to lock it, and nobody could tamper with anything?
 * 00:41:53: Atvelonis: Ehhhh
 * 00:41:59: Atvelonis: What about links?
 * 00:42:07: Atvelonis: We move pages around fairly often
 * 00:42:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: yes cheat
 * 00:42:31: Emperor Jarjarkine: what do you mean ?
 * 00:42:41: Cheatcodechamp: I am recalling a problem a while back where somebody was messing with archives and causing some problems with it. This would prevent further assault
 * 00:42:46: Cheatcodechamp: Renameing articles
 * 00:43:08: ゆ: Assault that can just as easily be prevented with checking edit history
 * 00:43:13: Cheatcodechamp: We fix all redlinks, including talk pages, if we do a rename, is it still possbile for a admin to fix the link?
 * 00:43:24: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah
 * 00:43:31: Atvelonis: I am not huge on this idea
 * 00:43:37: Emperor Jarjarkine: In fact, this is mostly effective against vandals
 * 00:43:57: Emperor Jarjarkine: but, normally, when you go on the page, you'll see that the buton is editable for a few seconds
 * 00:44:06: Emperor Jarjarkine: before the code get acived
 * 00:44:10: Emperor Jarjarkine: *actived
 * 00:44:19: Emperor Jarjarkine: So, you wont be unable to do anything
 * 00:44:33: Emperor Jarjarkine: So, it isn't a problem for any of us here
 * 00:44:49: Emperor Jarjarkine: it'S just to prevent the trolls or thoses who shouldn't edit an archive, to edit it
 * 00:45:28: Atvelonis: Meh
 * 00:45:36: Atvelonis: It'll make it a lot harder for people to fix links
 * 00:45:38: ゆ: What if, I, a user with no additional right see a redlink that needs redirecting, am I unable to fix this?
 * 00:45:53: Emperor Jarjarkine: You are
 * 00:45:59: Emperor Jarjarkine: wow
 * 00:46:03: Emperor Jarjarkine: No you aren't
 * 00:46:07: Emperor Jarjarkine: you can still fix it
 * 00:46:19: Atvelonis: Wait, but isn't it sysop-locked?
 * 00:46:26: Emperor Jarjarkine: Nope
 * 00:46:38: ゆ: Only user-locked? No anons?
 * 00:46:46: Emperor Jarjarkine: try clicking on the button
 * 00:47:01: Emperor Jarjarkine: that's the special thing
 * 00:47:26: Cheatcodechamp: Yeah, I cant touch it
 * 00:47:39: ゆ: I can, I just have to click visual editor
 * 00:47:44: Emperor Jarjarkine: so, the cheat or glitch is that, when the page is charging, the code is not activated so, you can already click on the button and you'll edit with no problem
 * 00:48:13: Cheatcodechamp: @UAM, you cant save any changes
 * 00:48:28: Emperor Jarjarkine: and any way, i added a warning template
 * 00:48:31: RenzXVl: Byebye KINMUNE... I'll miss you! :D Goodnight...
 * 00:48:31: Atvelonis: How are we supposed to fix links if we can't edit it? I don't really get this
 * 00:48:42: ゆ: i can't do what now? http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Requests_for_removal_of_user_rights/Archive/Game_Lore?diff=1922580&oldid=1918794
 * 00:49:13: Cheatcodechamp: If you use VE, it wont save the edit, its locked
 * 00:49:20: Emperor Jarjarkine: Atv,
 * 00:49:22: ゆ: it just did
 * 00:49:36: Emperor Jarjarkine: when the page charges, the code isn't working
 * 00:49:45: Emperor Jarjarkine: so when you get on the page, and it is still loading
 * 00:49:57: Emperor Jarjarkine: you can click on the edit button, fix your link and publis
 * 00:50:28: Atvelonis: It just says "Archived" where the edit button would normally be though
 * 00:50:55: ゆ: I'm going to go (n) I'm afraid, it seems pretty over-complicated for an issue that barely exists, and I could just make an edit regardless of the code.
 * 00:51:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: This affect the new users. And hopefully, with the warning on the page PLUS the button disabled
 * 00:51:18: Emperor Jarjarkine: no one will try to mess with theses pages
 * 00:51:39: Madman97: That's 1 Oppose, 0 Support.
 * 00:51:59: Emperor Jarjarkine: Of course you can edit, i found 5 ways to edit but, I am not a new editor so i know how to but, let say Queen, she shouldn' try or know how to
 * 00:52:13: Atvelonis: Eh, I can't say I have ever seen anyone openly vandalize an archive
 * 00:52:14: Emperor Jarjarkine: So for us here, it isn't really a problem
 * 00:52:25: Atvelonis: We can just sysop-lock them if it's a big deal
 * 00:52:30: Atvelonis: Which takes five seconds
 * 00:52:47: Emperor Jarjarkine: It's just a prevention.
 * 00:52:57: Cheatcodechamp: Im not sure how I feel about this. Archives only have had a few people here touch them, and they have been gone for awhile now, nost vandals only touch main articles
 * 00:53:13: Emperor Jarjarkine: hmm
 * 00:53:20: Cheatcodechamp: I love the idea, I feel it is to complex though, and it still have a go-around
 * 00:53:28: ゆ: Any edits on an archive will immediately get caught on teh recent changes
 * 00:53:39: ゆ: Since it's an unusual edit
 * 00:53:43: Emperor Jarjarkine: But the thing is, it isn't complex at all
 * 00:53:59: Cheatcodechamp: But we should not rely on that, if none of us are here, things can get by
 * 00:54:14: Atvelonis: I suppose it could be useful if we had people messing with archives, but the only person I know of to sort of do that left so it's not an issue
 * 00:54:40: Emperor Jarjarkine: While i undersand your opinion Atve and uam, I think it's just a prevention, IN CASE (srry for the caps)
 * 00:54:59: Emperor Jarjarkine: and with the message, it says that you have absolutly no reasons to edit the page.
 * 00:55:14: Atvelonis: Vandals have absolutely no reason to vandalize, they still do it
 * 00:55:24: Atvelonis: Anyway
 * 00:55:44: Atvelonis: This is an unnecessary precaution, archive vandals are nonexistent
 * 00:56:03: ゆ: Vandals are tenacious bastards, and those with the brain power to find the archives will take no time at all to find a work-around to the code.
 * 00:56:09: Emperor Jarjarkine: xD
 * 00:56:43: Emperor Jarjarkine: But, if they still do, we should give a one warning only
 * 00:56:47: Cheatcodechamp: If we want to lock them, the best way would be to do what most lost archives do, and that would be an admin lock
 * 00:57:09: Emperor Jarjarkine: The other thing I can suggest, it's a code on the AB filter
 * 00:57:22: Emperor Jarjarkine: that would lock up the pages in the archives
 * 00:57:33: Atvelonis: Ultimately I am going to have to vote (n) on this one
 * 00:57:50: Madman97: We have 2 Oppose, 0 Support.
 * 00:58:41: ゆ: CCC, Dovah? And your own vote, Jarjar.
 * 00:58:45: Madman97: Do we have anymore?
 * 00:58:52: Cheatcodechamp: I love the concept, but I feel this is not the best way to lock them. Having an admin lock it would keep all but wiki admins and staff from doing anything
 * 00:59:15: Cheatcodechamp: Sry Jar, It is a good idea, but I have to say no as well this time
 * 00:59:27: Madman97: An option here is to form a consensus that builds on Jarjar's idea but in a different way. That's 3 Oppose, 0 Support.
 * 00:59:31: Emperor Jarjarkine: but, if UAM wants to edit it, that's the problem of admin lock but, now, i belive you guys are rights.
 * 01:00:08: Madman97: Is that a (n) Jarjar?
 * 01:00:09: ゆ: That's a concern for another day, if all archives are to be sysop-locked
 * 01:00:10: Emperor Jarjarkine: But, I'll try to fix the problems you guys found
 * 01:00:29: ゆ: Yeah, definitely, I want to see its development continue
 * 01:00:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah for now, I'll (no) :P
 * 01:00:47: Madman97: 4 Oppose, 0 Support. Anymore?
 * 01:00:51: Atvelonis: Dovah?
 * 01:01:15: Dovahsebrom: (n)
 * 01:01:27: Madman97: 5 Oppose, 0 Support. Anymore?
 * 01:01:41: Emperor Jarjarkine: oh shit just forgot,
 * 01:01:44: Madman97: UAM? Did you already vote?
 * 01:01:52: Emperor Jarjarkine: The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request of the removal of user rights from Game Lord. The result of the discussion was: Yes, he should be removed. Please do not modify it.
 * 01:01:54: ゆ: Yes, I made the first vote
 * 01:02:23: Madman97: Ok, just being sure. I think that's everyone who are presently here...
 * 01:02:34: Emperor Jarjarkine: Is the text there fine on the archives,but not the protection right ?
 * 01:02:35: Madman97: If someone wishes to vote now, please do so if you ave not yet.
 * 01:02:42: Madman97: "have"
 * 01:02:54: ゆ: I would fine with that template on its own added to archives
 * 01:03:03: QueenFinelia: I'm here but idk about this since I got disconnected
 * 01:03:08: ゆ: The text, I mean
 * 01:03:16: Atvelonis: There's a template added to talk page archives you get if you use the archivetool
 * 01:03:37: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah but, as you said, no boody look'S at the archives
 * 01:03:37: Atvelonis: Something like that should probably go on normal archives too
 * 01:03:41: Atvelonis: Yeah
 * 01:03:48: Atvelonis: Unless for documentation
 * 01:03:59: Emperor Jarjarkine: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Requests_for_removal_of_user_rights/Archive/Game_Lore
 * 01:04:06: QueenFinelia: btw Jarjar
 * 01:04:08: ゆ: Oh yeah, before we move on to the topic, I need a piss, brb
 * 01:04:38: Emperor Jarjarkine: this isn't a talk page but, just a nomination archive
 * 01:04:39: QueenFinelia: when you update your report system to automatic, we are going to have another moot about it, yes?
 * 01:04:48: Madman97: I think that's all for the vote. Motion denied at 5 Oppose, 0 Support. Jarjar, while UAM's in the restroom, feel free to move on. He should be back by the time you're finished.
 * 01:05:01: Madman97: We need to move along.
 * 01:05:15: QueenFinelia: Jarjar?
 * 01:05:21: Emperor Jarjarkine: sure thing so, The text is fine, but the protection is off
 * 01:05:22: QueenFinelia: Emperor Jarjarkine
 * 01:05:25: Emperor Jarjarkine: Next topic
 * 01:05:28: Emperor Jarjarkine: yah ?
 * 01:05:38: QueenFinelia: read above what I asked you
 * 01:05:41: Madman97: Go ahead.
 * 01:05:48: ゆ: that was quick
 * 01:05:49: QueenFinelia: or was that the asnwer
 * 01:05:56: Madman97: Queen, PM him. We need to move along.
 * 01:06:02: Emperor Jarjarkine: Oh, yeah well, when it'll be updated, dont worry, i'll add it to an agenda
 * 01:06:02: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 01:06:06: Emperor Jarjarkine: now, next topic
 * 01:06:31: Madman97: Pray silence, everyone.
 * 01:07:32: Emperor Jarjarkine: okay now, what i've been thinking about, it's for the Gan and Fan
 * 01:08:34: Emperor Jarjarkine: It would be good if we could, for each nomination, keep a record of thems
 * 01:09:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: god am I lagging ?
 * 01:09:36: Cheatcodechamp: So archive the nominations?
 * 01:09:39: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah
 * 01:09:43: Emperor Jarjarkine: So, exemple
 * 01:09:48: Cheatcodechamp: perhaps, things are fine onmy end
 * 01:10:25: Emperor Jarjarkine: Exemple:
 * 01:10:47: Emperor Jarjarkine: Project:Featured Articles Nomination/Sload
 * 01:11:04: Emperor Jarjarkine: It's nice to keep thems on track
 * 01:11:32: Atvelonis: We could do what we do for staff nomination archives
 * 01:11:38: Emperor Jarjarkine: Yep yep
 * 01:11:42: Atvelonis: TES:Patrollers/Archive
 * 01:11:43: Madman97: I assume that's it, so please discuss.
 * 01:11:57: Atvelonis: If so then sure I don't see why not
 * 01:12:01: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 01:12:02: Emperor Jarjarkine: it would work like it
 * 01:12:04: ゆ: I thought we were doing this already to be honest with ya'
 * 01:12:09: Madman97: Me too
 * 01:12:12: ゆ: (y)
 * 01:12:16: Atvelonis: Not for GA/FA for some reason
 * 01:12:21: Cheatcodechamp: (y)
 * 01:12:30: QueenFinelia: (y)
 * 01:12:34: Madman97: 34 Support, 0 Oppose.
 * 01:12:39: Emperor Jarjarkine: (support)
 * 01:12:40: Madman97: "4" support
 * 01:12:42: ゆ: woah 34 people
 * 01:12:50: QueenFinelia: xD
 * 01:12:52: Emperor Jarjarkine: there are some invisible people ? o0
 * 01:13:01: Madman97: Yes
 * 01:13:04: Emperor Jarjarkine: it's more popular that i imagined !
 * 01:13:21: Emperor Jarjarkine: Ah shit, i just realized something
 * 01:13:22: QueenFinelia: I guess people like archiving
 * 01:13:26: Madman97: Alright, so what is that, 6 Supports now?
 * 01:13:30: Dovahsebrom: (y) make that 35
 * 01:13:30: Atvelonis: "For the textbooks"
 * 01:13:37: Emperor Jarjarkine: just something CCC
 * 01:13:45: Madman97: 7 now.
 * 01:13:59: Atvelonis: 7?
 * 01:14:08: Madman97: Hold on.
 * 01:14:08: Atvelonis: I only see five thumbs up
 * 01:14:23: Madman97: I'm tripping out.
 * 01:14:42: Emperor Jarjarkine: I was thinking that i'd work on this next week, I'd make the proper archive for the past nominations as well
 * 01:14:52: Madman97: Six votes now, because Jarjar said (support)
 * 01:14:53: Emperor Jarjarkine: but,
 * 01:14:59: Emperor Jarjarkine: how would we set it up ?
 * 01:15:08: Atvelonis: Like the patroller or administrator archives
 * 01:15:18: Emperor Jarjarkine: With a button like for the patroller nomination ?
 * 01:15:19: Atvelonis: TES:Administrators/archive please work link
 * 01:15:38: Atvelonis: TES:Administrators/Archive
 * 01:15:44: Emperor Jarjarkine: xD
 * 01:16:12: Atvelonis: TES:Patrollers/Archive too
 * 01:16:25: Madman97: Well this is a pretty fast decision. I suppose we can say Motion Passed?
 * 01:16:35: Atvelonis: Yeah
 * 01:16:43: Emperor Jarjarkine: just to be sure
 * 01:16:57: Emperor Jarjarkine: TES:FA/Sload
 * 01:17:01: Emperor Jarjarkine: when sload is done,
 * 01:17:05: Madman97: We're at 6 Support, 0 Oppose.
 * 01:17:35: Emperor Jarjarkine: We add the archive text of erlier, on /sload so that it's archived
 * 01:17:47: Emperor Jarjarkine: and we add the vote here:
 * 01:18:00: Atvelonis: We'll work it out
 * 01:18:08: Atvelonis: We should probably move on
 * 01:18:08: Emperor Jarjarkine: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki%3AAdministrators/Archive
 * 01:18:14: Emperor Jarjarkine: okay
 * 01:18:18: Madman97: Alright, well I guess next topic.
 * 01:19:27: Emperor Jarjarkine: well
 * 01:19:34: Emperor Jarjarkine: For tonight I guess i'm done ^^
 * 01:19:45: Madman97: Ok, then Atvelonis is up!
 * 01:20:15: Madman97: Please present your topics in the order of your choosing.
 * 01:20:38: Atvelonis: Alright. To start us off I'd like to suggest an official minimum percentage necessary for an application or consensus to pass. 66.6% or bust.
 * 01:20:56: Atvelonis: We sort of unofficially go by this already... ish
 * 01:21:18: Atvelonis: But I'd like to make this an actual policy.
 * 01:21:36: Atvelonis: Done
 * 01:21:43: Madman97: Everyone, please discuss.
 * 01:21:51: Dovahsebrom: (y)
 * 01:22:06: Emperor Jarjarkine: well
 * 01:22:18: Emperor Jarjarkine: (y)
 * 01:22:53: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 01:23:04: Atvelonis: 66.6% or bust, as I said
 * 01:23:11: Atvelonis: (Wikipedia uses a system like this)
 * 01:23:18: Emperor Jarjarkine: well, now that we talk about it
 * 01:23:19: Sbockhop: anyone know about the tonal resonator puzzle?
 * 01:23:34: Madman97: Sorry Sbockhop, we're in a meeting right now.
 * 01:23:41: Sbockhop: sorry ill leave
 * 01:23:54: Atvelonis: Sbockhop, Tonal Resonator
 * 01:24:00: Cheatcodechamp: (y)
 * 01:24:01: QueenFinelia: no you don't have to but please PM someone, like me, with your questions
 * 01:24:09: ゆ: Can there be exceptions?
 * 01:24:13: QueenFinelia: and please don't interrupt the moot :3
 * 01:24:24: Cheatcodechamp: What kind would there be?
 * 01:24:32: Atvelonis: Well, this would be added to those lists you see of requirements for say administraotr
 * 01:24:36: Atvelonis: *administrator
 * 01:24:48: Madman97: I assume 66.6% is to avoid extremely close votes and still have half the community on the other side.
 * 01:24:48: Atvelonis: Where one sentence says there can be exceptions
 * 01:24:49: Cheatcodechamp: well he didnt know, its not like we meet often like this
 * 01:24:53: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 01:25:05: Atvelonis: 51-49 is not successful in my opinion
 * 01:25:12: Cheatcodechamp: I think its good, we could take tight votes to a CT
 * 01:25:26: ゆ: Alright, (Y)
 * 01:25:29: Emperor Jarjarkine: okay
 * 01:25:33: Madman97: We have 5 supports so far.
 * 01:25:53: Atvelonis: Oh yes (y) from me as well
 * 01:26:08: Madman97: 6
 * 01:26:16: Madman97: Anyone else?
 * 01:26:28: Emperor Jarjarkine: (y)
 * 01:26:47: Madman97: You already voted Jarjar
 * 01:27:20: Emperor Jarjarkine: I did ?
 * 01:27:25: Madman97: Yep.
 * 01:27:42: Madman97: Pretty early actually. But I think this case is closed.
 * 01:27:49: Atvelonis: Hold on a second
 * 01:28:37: Atvelonis: One last thing, should there be a set number of votes as well necessary for a successful consensus?
 * 01:28:54: Atvelonis: Because for example if one person votes it is 100%
 * 01:29:02: Atvelonis: But that is only one vote
 * 01:29:09: ゆ: 3 people minimum, imo
 * 01:29:14: Madman97: Hmm, interesting. Everyone, please discuss
 * 01:29:43: Atvelonis: I think it should vary, depending on what we're talking about
 * 01:30:00: QueenFinelia: like a lvl on importance
 * 01:30:04: QueenFinelia: of*
 * 01:30:09: Emperor Jarjarkine: i see
 * 01:30:11: Madman97: Should this be counted as a separate topic?
 * 01:30:54: Atvelonis: Yeah, that's what I'm not sure of dovah
 * 01:31:48: Madman97: Then Minimum Vote Percentage is passed at 6 Support, 0 Oppose. You can discuss this one now.
 * 01:32:06: Atvelonis: Perhaps the minimum vote number should be based upon how large on an effect this vote/consensus will have on the wiki and the community
 * 01:32:50: Atvelonis: So for example making someone a bureaucrat or administrator will have a larger effect on the wiki than making someone a chat mod
 * 01:32:56: Atvelonis: (in most cases)
 * 01:33:24: QueenFinelia: yes like I said a level of importance system
 * 01:33:50: Atvelonis: Well I wouldn't exactly say importance
 * 01:34:05: Atvelonis: All the staff positions are as important as each other imo
 * 01:34:24: Atvelonis: We need chat mods as much as we need patrollers
 * 01:35:04: ゆ: That's nice to say, but for the most part, an admin is more important than a chat mod, forum mod or patroller
 * 01:35:25: Dovahsebrom: Agreed UAM
 * 01:35:45: Madman97: There doesn't seem to be a clear Yes or No here...
 * 01:36:27: QueenFinelia: so are we gonna make a system?
 * 01:36:35: Cheatcodechamp: I think its a yes, closer votes get a CT
 * 01:36:54: ゆ: This is a different issue
 * 01:36:58: Dovahsebrom: I'll say (n) on the grounds that we could just merely say that a consensus needs more votes without necessarily making any rules
 * 01:36:58: Madman97: Can I get a vote then or do we need to discuss this more?
 * 01:37:14: Atvelonis: Yeah that's a good point dovah
 * 01:37:22: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah Dovah :)
 * 01:37:29: King of the nerds: Ok what's going on here
 * 01:37:32: Atvelonis: I guess I can go with (n), we'll just use common sense
 * 01:37:40: QueenFinelia: ok
 * 01:37:41: ゆ: (n) for now
 * 01:37:42: Atvelonis: A moot, kotn
 * 01:37:50: King of the nerds: Ok
 * 01:38:01: Madman97: 3 Oppose, 0 Support. Anyone else?
 * 01:38:03: Emperor Jarjarkine: (y) as Atvelonis
 * 01:38:14: ゆ: wha-
 * 01:38:26: Madman97: is that...Support Jarjar?
 * 01:38:35: Atvelonis: Support for the oppose?
 * 01:38:48: King of the nerds: whats a moot like the moot of all the jarls when a high king dies
 * 01:38:59: Cheatcodechamp: I got lost somehow, I will remain out of this vote.
 * 01:39:03: Atvelonis: @kotn: yes, except we are talking about wiki issues
 * 01:39:05: Emperor Jarjarkine: yeah xD
 * 01:39:15: Atvelonis: @we're voting on suggestions and such
 * 01:39:18: Madman97: So thats 4 Oppose, 0 Support?
 * 01:39:26: King of the nerds: Could I help
 * 01:39:28: Emperor Jarjarkine: I mean, I (y), as a (y) of atvelonis so, i oppose
 * 01:39:31: Atvelonis: Yes
 * 01:39:38: Emperor Jarjarkine: my vote is no in the end sorry
 * 01:39:45: Atvelonis: @kotn: But don't interrupt anyone while they are presenting their idea
 * 01:39:52: King of the nerds: Ok
 * 01:39:59: Madman97: King of Nerds, there is a moot page on the wiki. I suggest you read it before you say anything.
 * 01:40:04: QueenFinelia: yes everyone is welcome :3
 * 01:40:05: ゆ: just say (n) for oppose and (y) for support, Jarjar
 * 01:40:08: Cheatcodechamp: Project:moot
 * 01:40:22: QueenFinelia: he said oppose
 * 01:40:24: Atvelonis: So is that 5?
 * 01:40:35: Atvelonis: For oppose?
 * 01:40:58: Madman97: 4, actually
 * 01:41:06: Madman97: UAM, did you vote?
 * 01:41:10: ゆ: mhm
 * 01:41:22: Atvelonis: Yeah 4
 * 01:41:43: Madman97: Im pretty sure it's 4. I only count 4 thumbs. Motion Denied. Next topic please. Everyone be silent for Atvelonis.
 * 01:42:39: Atvelonis: Ok then. Next is a fun little idea about a collaborative project between the Morrowind guild and the Lore guild.
 * 01:43:31: Atvelonis: As most of you probably know, Morrowind introduced a lot of lore. And we are not really amazing at lore (except for you dovah you are downright heavenly).
 * 01:43:47: Dovahsebrom: thanks
 * 01:44:01: Madman97: I'm awesome at lore, shut up. Ahem continue.
 * 01:44:20: Atvelonis: (no problem dovah) Soooo.... I suggested that the two guilds team up and fix up all our sort of ok sort of crappy Morrowind lore pages.
 * 01:45:08: Atvelonis: I messaged Gaminomicon but he hasn't come on recently so I talked to Mondblueme, another person in the MW guild, and she said yes. Dovah said yes as well.
 * 01:45:28: Madman97: Is that it for the topic?
 * 01:45:32: Atvelonis: Anyway yeah that's about it, commence discussion
 * 01:45:39: Madman97: Yeah, do that.
 * 01:45:39: ゆ: (y)
 * 01:45:50: Dovahsebrom: I already agreed so (y)
 * 01:45:57: King of the nerds: 👍
 * 01:46:28: Cheatcodechamp: Are they just working togehter? they are not merging right?
 * 01:46:40: Madman97: That's 6 Support, 0 Oppose.
 * 01:46:47: Atvelonis: They aren't merging, just working together yes
 * 01:47:04: Cheatcodechamp: Either way, if the guilds are down with this I am happy
 * 01:48:47: Madman97: Is that it for votes?
 * 01:49:09: Cheatcodechamp: I think so
 * 01:49:14: Cheatcodechamp: 6/0
 * 01:49:16: Atvelonis: (y) from me
 * 01:49:19: Atvelonis: Of course
 * 01:49:28: Atvelonis: So 7-0 support
 * 01:49:43: Madman97: Alright, Motion Passed. Atvelonis, any more topics?
 * 01:49:55: Emperor Jarjarkine: ahem guys, I have to go afk for a while :/
 * 01:49:57: Atvelonis: None from me. Present away, UAM
 * 01:50:00: Atvelonis: Alright Jarjar
 * 01:50:07: ゆ: Alright, one sec
 * 01:50:32: Madman97: When you're ready.
 * 01:51:24: ゆ: First off, let's go for a quick one. MOOT should be a shortcut to The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot article. That's it.
 * 01:51:33: Madman97: Discuss
 * 01:51:40: QueenFinelia: I agree
 * 01:51:50: Cheatcodechamp: Sure (y)
 * 01:51:52: QueenFinelia: it should be easier to get to
 * 01:51:54: Atvelonis: I mean you can just do TES:Moot
 * 01:51:56: QueenFinelia: (y)
 * 01:52:05: Atvelonis: But ok sure
 * 01:52:07: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 01:52:29: Cheatcodechamp: We could also add a link on the moot article if we felt it was needed
 * 01:52:37: Madman97: That's 3 Support, 0 Oppose.
 * 01:52:40: ゆ: cool, i'm (y) of course.
 * 01:52:57: Atvelonis: That's a good idea actually CCC
 * 01:53:02: Emperor Jarjarkine: Youmay ?
 * 01:53:04: King of the nerds: 👍
 * 01:53:18: Emperor Jarjarkine: like you may want to see the Elder Scrools wikia moot, a meeting where blabalbla
 * 01:53:39: Emperor Jarjarkine: and say on the Project:Moot page, you may want to see the moo article ?
 * 01:53:59: Atvelonis: Yeah, works for me
 * 01:54:19: Dovahsebrom: Eh, I feel like wiki articles and work should be separate
 * 01:54:34: Madman97: 5 Support, 0 Oppose
 * 01:54:47: Atvelonis: 4-1 you mean?
 * 01:54:52: Atvelonis: Wait
 * 01:55:02: Atvelonis: Is this separate from the shortcut vote?
 * 01:55:33: Madman97: I took down all the thumbs up for Moot shortcut
 * 01:55:46: Atvelonis: Oh yes
 * 01:55:57: King of the nerds: I just took a quick look at the moot page I just wanted to say good job
 * 01:56:08: ゆ: Should we move on?
 * 01:56:09: Emperor Jarjarkine: Thanks :)
 * 01:56:14: Madman97: Thanks. Yeah, move on.
 * 01:57:44: Emperor Jarjarkine: afk again
 * 01:58:30: ゆ: Alright, next up. As you may have noticed, I have been making a few Travels templates. Travels templates as opposed to templates for individual Travels games were the standard, but there has been a big issue with the fact that Shadowkey, the game I mainly work on, being drastically different to Dawnstar, Stormhold, or Oblivion.
 * 01:59:46: ゆ: All the other games contain basically the same content, armour, weapons, spells, whatever. Shadowkey contains more content compared to the others, and though it is grouped in as part of the Travels series, templates such as Template:TravelsRings cause issues, as rings don't appear in any other Travels game.
 * 02:00:46: ゆ: I ask that Shadowkey templates be separated from Travels templates, Travels remaining as the template type for the other games, while Shadowkey gets its own ones.
 * 02:01:18: ゆ: Now back to Madman in the studio
 * 02:01:35: Madman97: Let's go to Olly for weather. Nah, discuss!
 * 02:01:37: Cheatcodechamp: Would we need a new color? and what color would you have in mind?
 * 02:01:43: Cheatcodechamp: Its gonna rain
 * 02:01:49: Madman97: Thanks Olly
 * 02:01:50: Atvelonis: I don't know much about the Travels games, but from what I've seen Shadowkey is a fair bit bigger. You've certainly added a lot of information about it, UAM.
 * 02:02:03: ゆ: The main colour that Shadowkey uses is purple
 * 02:02:14: Atvelonis: Purple works
 * 02:02:19: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 02:02:36: King of the nerds: I don't really care for this one so I will just give it 👍
 * 02:02:51: Cheatcodechamp: I dont know much about the older games, I trust you know what we need, so you have my support
 * 02:02:53: Cheatcodechamp: (y)
 * 02:03:06: Madman97: King, if you don't care for one, don't vote.
 * 02:03:08: Dovahsebrom: (y) Shadowkey has always appeared a bit more independent from the other installations, it would probably be best that it has its own template.
 * 02:03:36: Madman97: So I'll count it as 3 Support, 0 Oppose.
 * 02:03:57: ゆ: I'm (y)
 * 02:04:39: Atvelonis: 4 then
 * 02:04:47: Madman97: Yep
 * 02:05:16: ゆ: Next?
 * 02:05:25: Madman97: Anyone else?
 * 02:06:08: Madman97: Going once...
 * 02:06:35: King of the nerds: I would like to ask you guys something
 * 02:06:42: Madman97: Hurry before we move on
 * 02:06:46: Madman97: Going twice
 * 02:06:54: Atvelonis: Alright kotn ask your question then
 * 02:07:35: King of the nerds: I was wondering if any of you would like something I have put on a blog and like the idea
 * 02:07:39: King of the nerds: thats it
 * 02:08:00: Atvelonis: I don't know, I'd have to see the blog
 * 02:08:06: Cheatcodechamp: Post a link I guess, and we have one more matter to discuss
 * 02:08:14: Cheatcodechamp: People can read it and comment if they wish
 * 02:08:29: King of the nerds: U can look at it later you have seen it ccc
 * 02:08:39: Madman97: We'll keep that to the blog comment section though and can bring it up next time if you want.
 * 02:09:04: Cheatcodechamp: next topic
 * 02:09:59: Madman97: Please go.
 * 02:10:03: Madman97: Pray silence for UAM.
 * 02:11:25: ゆ: Let's take a ride over to Forum Town with http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Board:Other_TES_Titles As you can see, the vast majority of the posts are TES VI related threads, and while it is an "Other TES Title" it's not really what the board is about. I propose a brand new board, entirely for TES VI Speculation, at least until the release of the next game, in which case it can be TES VII Speculation.
 * 02:11:57: Cheatcodechamp: So "next game speculation"
 * 02:12:02: Cheatcodechamp: ?
 * 02:12:25: Atvelonis: "Future games speculation"
 * 02:12:29: Atvelonis: There are spin-offs as well
 * 02:12:32: ゆ: Pretty much
 * 02:12:38: Madman97: Alright, discuss.
 * 02:12:39: ゆ: Legends would fit in that board for now
 * 02:12:46: Cheatcodechamp: brb
 * 02:12:50: ゆ: up until release, anyway
 * 02:12:57: Atvelonis: Yes alright then
 * 02:13:08: Atvelonis: A board for ES games that just haven't been released yet
 * 02:13:10: Atvelonis: Makes sense
 * 02:13:12: Atvelonis: (y)
 * 02:13:15: Dovahsebrom: I've always found the TES VI topics on that board misplaced, but I'm not sure if this topic is entirely deserving of a whole board to itself.
 * 02:13:33: ゆ: They are quite common, compared to other things we have individual boards for
 * 02:13:33: King of the nerds: 👍
 * 02:13:53: Atvelonis: Well it would be a fairly large board, there are a lot of Elder Scrolls VI posts
 * 02:14:08: Madman97: We have 2 Support, 0 Oppose
 * 02:14:19: QueenFinelia: (y)
 * 02:14:24: Dovahsebrom: Yes but would there be alot of people creating threads on a board devoted to one topic?
 * 02:15:06: Atvelonis: Well it's to all future titles, so that's a few topics
 * 02:15:15: ゆ: One problem I will say, is moving the threads once the games are released.
 * 02:15:39: Atvelonis: It's a speculation board, I don't know if we have to move them?
 * 02:15:45: Atvelonis: Should we?
 * 02:15:52: ゆ: That's what I was thinking
 * 02:16:04: ゆ: They are from the context of being before the game's release
 * 02:16:10: ゆ: So are speculation regardless
 * 02:16:20: Cheatcodechamp: Im not sold we need a new board for speculation. but I also dont see a better place to put them..
 * 02:16:44: Emperor Jarjarkine: So an entire new board only for speculations ?
 * 02:16:45: Atvelonis: We could call it "Future TES Titles" or something
 * 02:16:47: Atvelonis: Sorta
 * 02:16:49: Atvelonis: Yeah
 * 02:16:55: Emperor Jarjarkine: what about Speculations ?
 * 02:17:02: Atvelonis: There is a lot of it already, just in the Other Titles board
 * 02:17:07: Atvelonis: Predictions and whatnot
 * 02:17:30: ゆ: If it's called Speculations people will mistakenly post lore threads on it
 * 02:18:02: QueenFinelia: sounds logicalö
 * 02:18:08: Atvelonis: I suppose Azura should also have a say in this, he is a forum mod too
 * 02:18:14: King of the nerds: Future Tes titles ok
 * 02:18:14: Cheatcodechamp: I see no better alternatives, Im in support of "Future TES Titles"
 * 02:18:14: Dovahsebrom: A board titled speculations sounds pretty ambiguous
 * 02:18:36: Madman97: So far we have 5 Support, 0 Oppose.
 * 02:18:47: Dovahsebrom: would probably confuse alot of people and not contain TES VI speculation
 * 02:19:04: QueenFinelia: yeah and Azura will probably do most of the work in moving them anyway
 * 02:19:29: QueenFinelia: the busybody he is
 * 02:19:50: ゆ: Dovah's a forum mod too, he can do all of it. nah, I jk, I say we just don't move them
 * 02:20:21: ゆ: On game's release, I mean
 * 02:20:21: Madman97: But are we in total agreement for the creation of a new forum category?
 * 02:20:33: Emperor Jarjarkine: I am
 * 02:20:38: QueenFinelia: yes
 * 02:20:48: Emperor Jarjarkine: So I guess this is it ?
 * 02:20:54: ゆ: Alright, I have one final topic
 * 02:21:01: ゆ: Then it's done
 * 02:21:09: Madman97: Motion passed, 5 Support to 0 Oppose
 * 02:21:17: Madman97: UAM, please continue
 * 02:23:14: Atvelonis: (I've created the board now)
 * 02:24:23: Dovahsebrom: Already moving threads
 * 02:24:26: Madman97: UAM?
 * 02:25:46: ゆ: The final topic is about Guilds. I propose a new guild, as an avid editor of the lesser-known titles in the TES franchise, I think there is space for a guild based around this. The main issue being that if it's called Spin-Off Guild, it contains Legends and Online even though they should have their own guilds, and if it's Travels Guild, it doesn't contain Battlespire or Redguard. The final issue is that I'm the only editor in this area, but this is only a temporary issue. I propose the formation, or at least planning, of a new guild for the older spin-off titles, until more editors interested in this area come along.
 * 02:26:51: ゆ: And that's it, discuss.
 * 02:26:56: Madman97: Everyone?
 * 02:27:02: Cheatcodechamp: Guilds need members, will there be people to join this new guild?
 * 02:27:12: Atvelonis: Rim has played some of those too, he would probably join if it was started.
 * 02:27:22: Atvelonis: I'm sure other people have as well
 * 02:27:39: ゆ: That's the thing I mentioned, no, there isn't. But I want to begin development, at least until we find editors.
 * 02:27:45: Atvelonis: But if we are going to give Travels its own guild, it should really include the other spin-offs
 * 02:28:05: Atvelonis: "Other TES spin-offs," I dunno
 * 02:28:12: King of the nerds: I agree atvelonis
 * 02:28:13: Atvelonis: Or just the Spin-offs guild
 * 02:28:28: Cheatcodechamp: I dont like the idea of forming a guild without people ready to join, we have several guilds now with few members because we started them all up assuming they would join.
 * 02:28:39: Atvelonis: For all spin-offs except for ESO (and maybe Legends)
 * 02:28:48: Madman97: I actually forgot I was a member of Skyrim Guild.
 * 02:28:52: Atvelonis: @CCC: Lore guild has three whole people in it, it's working ok
 * 02:28:55: Atvelonis: lol madman
 * 02:29:37: ゆ: Or, maybe just "Other TES Titles", like the board, except without Daggerfall and Arena.
 * 02:29:57: Atvelonis: Yeah that sounds better than spin-offs
 * 02:30:15: Atvelonis: In that case, I vote (y)
 * 02:30:29: Dovahsebrom: (y)
 * 02:30:31: King of the nerds: 👍me to
 * 02:30:58: Navashield.exe: ok i had a glitch with the bone halk amulet where it would not go on me but it gave me the effect so i made the amulet with fortify alchemy and made a fortify smithing potion thatit had fortify smithing 612% better holy s^^^
 * 02:31:23: Atvelonis: @Moot: Is that the last topic?
 * 02:31:32: Atvelonis: @Navashield: Cool
 * 02:31:35: ゆ: Yes, that was the final topic at hand
 * 02:31:49: Madman97: Hang on a sec everyone
 * 02:31:51: Emperor Jarjarkine: gtg afk, i thank everyone here :)
 * 02:31:55: Navashield.exe: should i report this or what??
 * 02:32:00: Emperor Jarjarkine: I hope you liked the first moot :P
 * 02:32:08: King of the nerds: I did
 * 02:32:13: Atvelonis: @Nava: Alright, if it's a bug then yes
 * 02:32:15: QueenFinelia: bye cya tc :3
 * 02:32:22: Atvelonis: @Jarjar: It was quite good, I am happy we did this
 * 02:32:26: Madman97: Alright, final word from Moot Leader.
 * 02:32:30: Cheatcodechamp: So spinoff guild is being started?
 * 02:32:34: Atvelonis: Yeah
 * 02:32:53: ゆ: Yeah, Other TES Titles Guild, or the OTTG, for short, since it's a terribly long name.
 * 02:33:01: Atvelonis: Hmm, is the 5th of July a Sunday or Saturday?
 * 02:33:10: Dovahsebrom: jeez there is alot of TESVI speculation threads
 * 02:33:13: Madman97: This is the final verdict of all topics for the record.