Daedra

As you all know, different Atronach's are Daedra. Draugr's it's like dead people, resurrected by dark powers. I don't even know what to say about vampire's dogs. And all of them have light souls!

But all "sapiens" have black souls!

Is there any logical explanation for that in lore?

I have this teenie tiny "theory" that I just conjured up and wanted to share :)

I just wanted to address the fact that vampires are weakened by the sun. Vampires are kind of sort of daedric beings (they were created by a Daedric Prince). In any case, they are connected with Daedra. The sun, Magnus, is supposedly a hole to Aetherius, the kind of opposite of Oblivion.

That being said, do vampires take sun damage because they can't stand holy things? (Sounds similar to how demons can't touch holy water)

Did you know:

Daedra is plural. The singular form of Daedra is Daedroth. At least, according to the wiki.

For those of you who aren't familiar with the word dro-m'Athra, they are basically corrupt Khajiit spirits that reside in Namira's plane of Oblivion and serve her like lesser Daedra serve the princes. Khajiits transform into dro-m'Athra if they submit to the darkness and when a dro-m'Athra dies, it returns to Namira's realm.

So, the question is, whether these spirits count as Daedra.

Lyranth referred to them as Daedra in a loremaster archive once, and she's a Daedra who supposedly considers mortals as lessers. If she accepts that these Khajiiti spirits are Daedric and not some despicable mortal thing maybe she's right. The dro-m'Athra do behave lile Daedra after all. When they die they return to their home realm, maybe they're even made out of chaotic creatia like Daedra.

However, there are sources that claim that since Daedra are immutible (save for a few exceptions like Barbas), a creature is Daedric only if it has always been Daedric, and none of the dro-m'Athra has always been a dro-m'Athra (and they can also be purified). Boziikkodstrun was a dragon who was captured by Molag Bal and transformed into the first Daedric Titan though, and we know that Daedric Titans are Daedra though. But as far as we know only Bozii was once a dragon, and the rest of them were simply created by Molag to resemble him, which would mean that according to the above difinition all titans are Daedra save for Bozii. That would mean that none of the dro-m'Athra is Daedric cuz they were all Kajiits once.

The TES Legends dro-m'Athra card doesn't have the Daedra type, but type in that game is not always the same as species.

What do you think, are dro-m'Athra Daedric or not? I think there is a lot of evidence to support each option so I'm not really sure if they're Daedra or not.

I mean all TES games. I tried to follow Kynareth but all my killings Im not good follower I think :D Or you arent into gods at all?

Not just Daedra and Aedra, but also between the Daedra themselves, also assuming I'm saying the same for between the nine divines relationships together. Are they like family or do they not care about each other?

Did some basic reading on TES lore and learned that men worship the aedra and despise the daedra and the opposite for the mer. Wonder if there is an Aedra or Daedra that both men and mer respect?

Me I would be the daedra of magic and the ocean as well as time my artifact would be called timetide and yes its a trident

My allies include hermaeus mora nocturnal and Sheogorath, azura, Meridia hircine Vaermina

My form is that of my lower half is that of an octopus while my upper half is that of a teenage mortal with the chest plate tentacles on the Armour able to move like soundwave from transformers prime

Dispises mehrunes Dagon Molag Bal Sanguine

Neutral towards boethiah and Mephala Clavicus Vile Peryite Malacath Jyggalag

Creatures that guard his realm oceanythons giant serpent

And the counter part of akatosh

Category considering a good daedric prince

Twin Of hermaeus mora

Me with my helmet/mask and armor ⬆️

Me with out my helmet/mask and armor ⬆️

Show me what you as aedra/daedra looks like as well as what your the Aedra/Daedra of ?

Timetide ⬆️

And my daedric name would be tora cracean

"Your divines have imprisoned you, your ancestors, and your decedents to a world whom of which's sky is the cage, your stars; an illusion, and your free will, a delusion. Afore the dawn of mortal in this construct conceptualized as 'Nirn' amidst the confines of your idea of time and space, there was to be concord, tranquillity, and mutuality between mortals and gods. Nevertheless, your eight tyrants spawned and summoned discord, terror, and tyranny. They incinerated the primordial world to ignite the current one. They came together and formed a covenant with one another vowing to terminate the gods of old, and put an end to their people. This goal was successful. The stars you see are the souls of thousands of dead gods. Now, the stars you see are the eyes of trillions of beings all over the known universe looking back at you. There is no more Aurbis, you are no longer confined to this cosmic prison. And now, your gods lay face down in a pool of their own blood. Akatosh, Dibella, Julinos, Mara, Arkay, Kynereth, Zenithar, and Stendarr, have all been terminated. I have shattered your Aurbis, drowned Oblivion, and set you free. Free with concord, tranquility, and mutuality.."

So I am unsure if Daedric lords can ever have a physical body that if destroyed, it means everything about them goes away with them. I only thought about it recently when reading the War between the Titans versus the Olympians, who would be the new gods. I am not sure if the Titans ever killed Olympians, or if the Olympians killed any Titans. But the conflict is the only notable conflict I can recall related to Gods other than Ragnarok where it is like the "end" or something. In which all the Gods in Norse Mythology and the warriors who are in Valhalla would follow the gods to the final battle I think.

So yeah just wondering. I am planning on doing a modded playthrough of Skyrim one more time before I play Oblivion for the first time EVER once I finish the 3 campaigns in my own order in regards to story telling. Dawnguard DLC(personal favorite because I am a simp), Main campaign, and then Dragonborn(So Miraak can say "So, you killed Alduin" and proceeds to say he would've done it, but he a bi-).

I believe the main synopsis(if i used that word right) is that your a prisoner in Cyrodiil, only to be pardoned by the Emperor himself and follow with him to escape, Mythic Dawn assassins kill the emperor, then eventually you have to help stop I think Mehrunes Dagon from successfully invading all of Tamriel. But I just wondered if one can "kill" a Daedric lord, or if you can only kill a physical form of a Daedric lord but he/she is still alive, and all you did was beat them in a 1v1.

Is there a way for a mortal to do what Tiber Septim did when he became Talos. I unfortunately dont have much to go on with this. I have read about supposed instances where aedra became daedra but for a mortal to become daedra I have not read anything about.

I know the lore explanation of this but where did he go? how did he get there after his rise to the heavens? Does he even exist anymore? I have this question because of Mankar Camoran's view of Aedric Deities ushering the following...

"How is it that the Deadra forthrightly proclaim themselves to man while the gods cower behind statues and the faithless words of traitor priests?"

Implying that the gods are there but they don't give two shits about mortal life. This is even more implied when speaking to the Arch Curate Vythur near the end of the Dragon Born DLC when he says the following to Serana and the reverse said to Vythur... Which is telling of how both inept, unaware, and just plain oblivious to the world below them.

"Look into my eyes, Serana. You tell me what I am?

"You're... you're a vampire? But Auriel should have protected you..."

How many times have the undoubtedly evil Daedra invaded Tamriel? Numerous times and did the gods do anything to rectify the invasions and mass murders? No, they did not. You have better luck being entwined in a lifelong contract with a deadric lord to get something done than praying to the "good" and "moral" and "righteous" gods who from many accounts don't really care about you. Again with the vampire thing, Lamae Beoulfag was brutally raped against her will by the deadric prince Molag Bal and in return, she prays to the divines for retribution and the line stays dead forever. They cast her out because of her current state. This goes back to what I said at the beginning about how truly Inept, unaware, and oblivious the divines truly are. This is even more evident in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion if the player contracts poryphoric hemophilia and unannounced to them they become a vampire. If they pray to remove the harsh ailment like with Lamae's case the line goes dead and stays dead. "They," tell you to repent for your action when In reality to didn't choose it. It was forced upon it to you by a servant of Molag Bal.

Are the gods truly there and aware of the world beneath them? Or are they sitting lavishly upon thrones of marble and gold being fed grapes from heavenly maidens while sitting in hot, clear, blue as the morning sky baths? What did they see in Tiber Septim that they allowed him to live among them as gods? Why was he and not someone like the Nerevarine, or the Hero of Kvatch, or the Dragonborn who legitimately saved Tamriel from true tyranny and oppression?

I just read through the Daedra wiki page, because many of you know a lot about lore and I thought I should probably read through it once again.

Then, that question suddently came to my mind. Firstly, are Daedra able to have friendships or romantic relationships with other Daedra?

And second, can Daedra develop (real, eye-to-eye) friendships with other life forms like humans or elves? Or maybe even romantic relationships? Or completely different relationships?

And could Daedra live like humans in a human or elf environmen?

Does anybody of you know anything about this? What do you think?

Sorry it is lots of questions, but I am just curious, I guess.

What is the possibility that the surface of every Daedric realm is spherical?

Another question: what are the surfaces of the Divines like? They're solid planets right?

My favourite Aedra is probably Akatosh, and my favourite Daedra is Molag Bal/Nocturnal

I’m making this for myself mostly but you’re free to read and interpret for yourself. I’m taking some liberties but I’m not saying this is canon. Just an interpretation of them old rolled up papers, I mean elder scrolls. God, I spent way too long on this.

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Realms: (Contained Within)

Mundus (Planets): Nirn (Arena w/ Masser/Jode, Secunda/Jone, Dark Moon, Baar Dau), Aka (The Spilled Sand), Ark (Ancestral Realm w/ Necromancer’s Moon/Mannimarco), Dib (Eld Angavar), Jul/Jil (Lockbox of Loneliness), Kyn/Kin (The Nature Realm), Mar (The Shadow Wood), Sten (Lyg), Zen (Five Finger Dance)

As We Spiral Outward 🌀 ⬇️

Oblivion (Planes): Apocrypha, Ashpit, Attribution's Share (Snake Mount), Coldharbour, Colored Rooms, The Deadlands, Evergloam, Fields of Regret, The Hunting Grounds (Great Hunt), Moonshadow, The Myriad Realms of Revelry, The Scuttling Void (Dark Behind the World), The Pits, The Shivering Isles (Madhouse, Asylums), The Spiral Skein, Quagmire (Dreamstride)

(Pocket-Realms): The Abyss, Arum-Khal’s Realm, Chimera of Desolation, Detritus, Dyzera’s Realm, Takubar (Fourth Sinus, DOP 9497.15), Gaiar Alata, Grayhaven, Havok Wellhead, The Gorge, Infernace (DOP 6), Levinace, Lord Velian‘s Plane, Maelstrom, Nightflame, Prison of Xykenaz, Hell (Lake of Fire), Realm of the Hist, Sadal’s Prison, Shalidor’s Shrouded Realm, Soul Cairn, Village of the Lost, Void of Oblivion

As We Spiral Outward 🌀 ⬇️

Aetherius (Sections): The Battlespire (Spire, Celestial Citadel), Far Shores (Far Dunes), Mantellan Crux, Sands Behind the Stars (Llesw'er), Sovngarde, Dreamsleeve, The Pantheon, Main Terminus of Aetherius (Heaven)

As We Spiral Outward 🌀 ⬇️

The Void, Darkness, the Outer Darkness, the Ancient Darkness, Great Darkness, Outer Realms, Aurbis, Nothingness, Outer Space, The Palm of God, Chaos Creatia

As We Spiral Outward 🌀 ⬇️

The Dream, The Head of God

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Primordial Makers:

The All-Maker, Godhead, The Amaranth, Anu, The Everything, Ahnurr (All-Father), Satak, Atak, The Dreamer (Godd?), Is, Dragon of Order, the Creator

-Aka-Tusk, Anuiel, Anui-El, Akha, Ineffable Light

G or T?

🔺 The Opposite Enemy 🔻

Padomay, Sithis, the Darkness, Akel, Fadomai, the Adversary, Padhome, Kota, Unmaker, El, SITHISIT, Psijii, (Maiq?), Is-Not, Serpent of Chaos, the Destroyer

S or M?

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Aedra:

Akatosh, Auri-El, Auriel, Bormahu, Alkosh, AKHAT, the One, Highmane, Ald, Ruptga (Tall Papa), the Lord, the Eagle, the Father

(Blessed Son of Anu) (E of L) (M of D)

Lorkhan, The Greedy Man, Lorkhaj, Lorkh, Shor, Sep, Sheor the Bad Man, Shezarr, LKHAN, LHKAN, the Fox, the Serpent, Harrald Hairy Breeks, King Harald Hand-Free, Pelinal Whitestrake, Pelin-El, Hans the Fox, Hanse of Winterhold, Ysmir Wulfharth, the Underking, Ra'Wulfharth, Arnand the Fox, Vershu, Versidue-Shaie, Chevalier Renald, Zurin Arctus, Sethiete, Seth

-Talos, Ysmir, Tiber Septim, Hjalti Early-Beard, Talos Stormcrown, the Stranger

(Cursed Son of Sithis) (L of D)

Arkay, Ark’ay, Xarxes, Tu’whacca, Tu’Arkha, Arkha, Orkey, Sai (Lucky), Orkha, the Snake, the Thief, the Reaper

(Son of Akatosh, Apotheosized Breton Shopkeeper via Mara his Mother) (L of D) (E of L)

Dibella, Dibe, Daubella, Zisa, Zeqqi, Y’ffer, Y’ffre, Jephre, Leki, Jhim Sei, Druagaa, the Moth, the Lady, the Maiden

(The Divine Pillar of Creation Facilitated into Existence) (L of L) (E of L)

Kynareth, Tava, Phyne, Finn, The Herd Mother, Ilni, Ius, Khenarthi, Kyne, Kaan, Phynaster, Vigryl, the Atronach, the Hawk, the Crone/Warrioress, Vir Gil

(Child of Anu) (L of L) (E of L)

Zenithar, Z’en, Xen, Zeht, Tsutnal, Tsun, Raen, the Bear, the Apprentice, the Smith

(Child of Anu) (L of D) (E of L)

Stendarr, Stuhn, Stuhnal, Onsi, Shandar, S’rendarr, Notorgo, the Defender, the Steed, the Whale

(Child of Anu) (L of D) (E of L)

Mara, Nir, Nirni, Morwha, Nyfa, the Mother, the Lover, the Wolf

(Born From Anu’s Love & Sithis’ Jealousy) (E of L + L of L)

Julianos, Jhunal, Syrabane, the Wiseman, the Mage

(Child of Anu) (E of L + L of D)

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Daedra:

Azura, Azurah (L of L)

Boethiah, Boethia, Boethra, Orkha-Bane, Aspera (S of L) (L of D)

Clavicus Vile, Nycot (B of L)

Blind God, Magnus, Mehrunes Dagon, Leaper-Demon King, Dagon, Daegon, Merrunz, Mehrunnez, Magus, the Sun, Magrus, Mehrunes, the Shadow, the Architect, Rising Dawn, Daibethe (E of L) (L of D)

Trinimac, the Tower, Malacath, Mauloch, Malauch, Malooc, Malak, Muluk the Blue God (E of L) (L of D)

Hermaeus Mora, Hoermius, Hormaius, Herma Mora, Herma-Mora, Old Mora, Aldmora, Woodland Man, Hermorah, Hyrma Mora (U of L)

Mephala, Androgyne, Night Mother, Mafala, Shagrath (M of L) (E of D)

Meridia, Merid-Nunda (D of D) (E of D)

Molag Bal, Ruddy Man, Mola Gbal, Molagh (S of L) (L of D) (E of D)

Hircine, Alrabeg, Storihbeg, Uricanbeg, Gulibeg, Hrokkibeg (L of D)

Jyggalag, Old Sheo - Theodore, Ted (S of L) (L of D)

Namira, Namiira (D of L)

Nocturnal (Noctra) D of L

Peryite (S of A)

Sanguine, Sangiin, Sam Guevenne (S of L) (L of D)

Sheggorath, Skooma Cat, Mind God, Sheo, Champion of Cyrodiil, Sheogorath, Theodor Gorlash (E of L)

Vaermina, Vaernima, Varmiina

Antithesis Pairs:

Anu | Padomay

Akatosh | Lorkhan

Dibella | Mephala

Mara | Vaermina

Kynareth | Meridia

Zenithar | Malacath

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Other Worshipped Deities/Culturally Deified People:

Alduin, Satakal, Atakota, Alkhan, Thartaag, The Dragon, the Ritual

The Deep Ones

Elhnofey

Ephen

The Ghost Snake

Zar

Last Dragonborn, Dovahkiin, The Warrior

Saint Alessia (Perrif)

Almsivi (The Tribunal)

Morihaus

Indoril Nerevar

Josea Oghma (Wife of Arkay?)

Dagoth Ur, Arius

Tosh Raka

Reymon Ebonarm, Reman Cyrodiil

HoonDing (Diagna, Cyrus, Frandar Hunding, A’tor?)

Baan Dar (Rajhin)

Riddle’Thar (Ja-Kha'jay)

The Wilderking

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