Did people who lived in Cyrodiil go to Skyrim to help in the civil war effort?
I thought after the peace treaty with the greybeards during the main quest line was suppose to end the war, not? Did I make a wrong choice during the meeting?
I just want to buy a house in Windhelm without joining the Stormcloaks and I thought I wouldn't have to when the peace treaty was done.
For me, It would have to be the War of the Roses in England during the late 1400's. A long drawn out civil war that has two parties fighting for the the throne of England (In the same way Elisif and Ulfric are fighting for the throne of Skyrim).
I thought I’d start sharing some Skyrim Builds I’ve been working on, we’ll start with my favorite. The Brother of Elisif. It should be noted that this is an Imperial Build, I’ll post my Stormcloak one soon!
Description: As the brother of Elisif the Fair and the son of a Nobleman you rose through the ranks fairly quickly, becoming the Imperial General of Skyrim in a matter of time. Although the Stormcloaks kept you on your toes you somehow held the Imperial Legion in Skyrim together and once Torygg died and General Tullius came along to help you things only got better. It wasn’t until the Thalmor accused you of treason that you joined Ulfric in captivity along the way to Helgen.
Hair Color: Auburn
Eye Color: Green
Main Perks: Heavy Armor, One-Handed, Block, Speech
Equipment: Sword of Haafingar, Shield of Solitude, Imperial Armor(With either Legate or Close-Faced Imperial Helmet)
Hair Color: Auburn
Eye Color: Green
Main Perks: Heavy Armor, One-Handed, Block, Speech
Equipment: Sword of Haafingar, Shield of Solitude, Imperial General Armor
Mods: NordWarUA Authentic Imperial Armor, Thane Weapons Reborn, and Unique Weapons(Beyond Skyrim Bruma would also work if you’d like to be more immersive)
Okay so before we begin I would like to state that because Skyrim is an RPG that means that the Dragonborn didn’t necessarily join any of the in-game factions like the Companions or the Dark Brotherhood, just in case no one knew.
So my Theory is this, could it be possible that the Dragonborn becomes the Emperor? My answer is possibly and here’s why.
The Dark Brotherhood, yes I’m starting this off short the Dark Brotherhood is something everyone should know about by now no need to explain. I also don’t need to explain what the Dark Brotherhood Questline in Skyrim surrounds correct? Essentially you kill the Emperor so we know for a fact that the Mede Dynasty is dead seeing as Marcurio(Whatever his name is, the Imperial who hires you to kill the Emperor) wants the Ruby Throne. So the Emperor of the Empire is dead.
Next is the Civil War, now have your opinions on how this ends but let’s not focus on it right now. I believe firmly that the Stormcloaks won the Civil War even though I don’t like them. But what if the Dragonborn was hired by the Empire, even though they lost in my opinion. It’s not impossible. The game is an RPG so who’s saying that the Dragonborn was a Stormcloak or an Imperial? Nords supported the Empire in the game so why couldn’t the Dragonborn? So it’s entirely possible that the Dragonborn joined the Empire, the Empire still lost the Civil War, and the Dragonborn became Emperor of the Empire. Yes that’s what I said, Emperor of the Empire.
It’s not entirely impossible, the Empire has followed a Dragonborn before why not now? The Last Dragonborn could’ve very easily swayed over the Imperial Council and become Emperor over Marcurio(If he survived). Not to mention the morale boost the Empire would receive from another Dragonborn Emperor. We’ve seem and read that the Thalmor are hunting the Dragonborn for fear of his power and potential and that fear could reach its peak if they became Emperor. It’s not a lasting fear, the Dragonborn will die but it’s a fear that’ll keep the Thalmor on their toes while the Empire rebuilds. I’m not saying it’s not possible for the Dragonborn to join the Stormcloaks, what I’m saying is that it’s not completely impossible that people wouldn’t want the Dragonborn to lead them over someone like Ulfric or Marcurio or Titus Mede. The Dragonborn is a legendary, prophetic hero so even the Nords would rise against Ulfric if the Dragonborn did. But in my opinion I think the Dragonborn becomes Emperor after the Civil War
How do we feel about this Theory? I know to some it might seem unrealistic but the events of the game aren’t completely canonical. When TES 6 comes out we’ll get more canonical lore about the events of TES Skyrim, but for now this is my belief on the events of Skyrim’s lore
I have played both sides of the questlines thrice. Once to get an idea of eachother's ideas for themselves, their propaganda, and each other. In my unprofessional opinion, I think the stormcloaks are a more fun questline because it feels shorter, and you attack whiterun and appoint a new jarl. The Imperial faction is more practical (imo) because you're restoring power to the empire to go head to head with the aldmeri dominion(AD) once again. but it is slower, and less fun (i'm pro imp). The aftermath of either side has people who dislike you, and jarls dissapointed in you. theres an equal amount, so it all depends on your preferences. Regarding the possibilities of the aftermath of the war, I think that the stormcloak rebellion/army defeating the AD would be more interesting, but less realistic. The Imps recontrolling skyrim and rising up against the AD and reinstating Talos worship is much less fictional and more realistic. (I feel the need to remind the stormcloak supporters that the only people who want talos banned are the altmer, think of it like a temporary ban, until they defeat the AD. Both sides want the same thing, but are going about it how they feel is right. At the end of the Imp questline, Legate Rikke blesses Galmor and Ulfric through Talos. I got really emotional at the end of the stormcloak questline because i killed her:( she is the representation that everyone wants the same thing, but the stormcloaks are certainly in for an uphill battle because they only have 1 country(at the end of the civil war), whereas the empire has 3 (or 4?) it's (imo) easier to regain talos worship through the empire. I would love to see some points be made for either side. (I want respect for people's ideas and beliefs. please dont disrespect or insult someone because they think talos isnt a god, or that he is - its just an effing video game, but i like inspiring discussion and sharing ideas. keep it at a mundane "High Hrothgar Truce"
I like the Stormcloaks and the Imperials equally but I feel like there could be a third side the Dragonborn can join. I like the Stormcloaks because they want to stop the Thalmor and bring back the worship of Talos but they are really racist. The Imperials are also much more advanced than the Stormcloaks and are smarter but seem very weak in Skyrim. However, if there was a third side to join, I would have the worship of Talos, hatred of the Thalmor , the smarts of Imperials, and no racism. I am not saying that the Stormcloaks or the Imperials are bad though. I would like to hear what you guys think.
Hey, I recently installed the Open Civil War mod which is supposed to let me fight battles at the hold cities, so I thought. However, when I speak to Galmar to begin "The Battle for Markarth" the quest starts and he doesn't give any other dialogue. I'm supposed to wait for orders but he never gives any!
If anyone knows any fixes for this, I'd be thankful.
We have to take into account not only Skyrim's geography, but also its industrial capacity and its agriculture.
Apparently the focus of the region is on the export of arms and raw materials. Skyrim does not have strong agriculture and would not be able to support itself, as both the number of farms is meager, and the number of mouths to feed is high, even though it is a region with few inhabitants, but even with few food production is very low.
So probably a large part of the food that circulates there must come from the capital of the empire and practically all the maritime trade also corresponds to financial agreements with the Empire. High Rock should not represent much of that percentage, as it is a small land with small towns, almost the same as Skyrim. So, therefore, the region must declare independence before, it should focus on its industry and mainly on food production.
Nor can we fail to mention Skyrim's main evil ... his Jarls!
Arrogant, self-centered, ignorant and wasteful. This represents the leaders of Skyrim with one exception or another perhaps. And these same ones would not accept to change their lifestyles to invest in their own counties (something that for almost all the time since they took power, they never did). They will continue to give high and expensive banquets, in addition to continuing to spend what they cannot collect for a long time. This will further contribute to the breakdown of the region's economy.
We also have the fact that the Civil War drives tourism and travelers away, since who would like to venture into a land at war? We, the players, who were caught right in the middle of this war are the clear example of what this represents. And we almost had our heads cut off just because we were in the wrong place at the wrong time. So that being the case, and knowing that they may experience the same situation, which is quite obvious, few will risk going to Skyrim.
So with all of that, it is very likely that Skyrim without the Empire is not only unable to support itself, but it will not last long. It is very likely that the counties will decline, other civil wars will ravage the place, as Ulfric was only focusing on having a crown on his head, but did not prepare the region for the post-war period. So many Jarls will revolt against their Government and new wars will ensue, further destroying the region and turning Skyrim into a cluster of ruins (more than it already is).
Skyrim without the empire, due to lack of planning, cannot last. Who are you going to sell your raw materials to? Hammerfell is in no condition to have a trade with Skyrim of the same level as the Empire, considering that they are still rising after the war against Aldmeri dominion. The Thalmor would never make trade deals, since they were probably responsible indirectly for the Civil War, because of this, they want Skyrim to break down and they would have no reason to trade with them. High Rock is still part of the Empire, so they would be pressured not to enter into economic deals with the Nordics. Morrowind? Many even question whether that place still exists, a land completely desolate and destroyed that is slowly rebuilding. They would not be able to trade with anyone today. They can hardly keep Solstheim.
Ulfric and Yagi have no idea what happened back there. Yagi has been awfully quiet and not squirming out of Ulfric's hold on the horse.
Ulfric never had such feeling for a male Khajiit.. a male? What in Mara.. what have you done to them?
Ulfric brought them back to the Windhelm gates.
"You should see Windhelm in the spring. All these hills will be covered with flowers. May help you gather some herbs."
"Hmm? Really? Well then I'll have to survive the war, then. So I can see it."
"I'll do my best to prepare you for that."
when I touched his face, it felt like silk.
Maybe it's been to long since I've ever shared a night with a wom-.. someone.
Damn Khajiit, what have you made me thinking? Is it just your charm of spells. Or... just your glamorous?
I need a drink.. I need.. a..
Ulfric got off his horse, Yagi was getting of the horse,"Hold on, let me help you down." Ulfric said quickly.
"Oh my jarl, I am just fine really you didn't crack my ankle or something!"
"I know you don't need my help. But, just the thought of thinking about it.
Ulfric picked up Yagi..
He's so soft..
"Is this alright for you?" Yagi questioned him... he can feel the strength.
"Is what alright." Ulfric question the Khajiit.
What an awkward situation...
"Is... is you neck alright? It not sore when I touch it?" Yagi flicked the area on Ulfric's neck. Ulfric did flinched. "Nso, no... everything is fine."
He's sooo very very soft... I wish I can hold you like this. But i can't.
Ulfric put down Yagi like if it was a dance.
"I think I've asked this before but.. why are you helping me? Do you really think I'll ever be strong enough?"
"Then why are you helping me?
you didn't let me finish. You'll never be strong enough as the others. You're small... you'll never be "strong enough"... but I know for a fact that you'll be brave enough!
"Well.. thanks.. thank you for helping me." Yagi put his hand on his shoulder with a pat. Yagi gave a smile,"You keep acting like that I'll pay you a drink! kind Bear of Markarth!"
"I would like to say the same to you."
Yagi shrugged,"I am just a guy who fixes his mistakes. Take care of those cuts!"
Before Yagi can walk away from Ulfric, Ulfric grabbed his arm gently,"Good night to you." Yagi smiled and licked his cheek,"Good night, my jarl.."
Yagi walked away.. with a little danced he always did.
Ulfric opened the door to his Throne Room to see Galmar.
I remember as a boy being enarmored with the tale of the great capture of the great God-demon wolf, fenrir... Da said that normal chains could not hold the beast, so fierce was his love in freedom all metals will break his will.
Ulfric said.. to himself as while Yagi was enjoying the speed, running with elk and riding the wind.
so I asked my Da how they broke the great wolf, Da said,"The way they break any free. Thing's that you cannot see, boy. No truly free heart is kept by chains alone."
As a boy I learned that tied from the Great Wolf submission:
The Sound of a Cat's footfall
The Beard of a Woman
The Roots of a Mountain
The Strength of a Bear
The Breath of a Fish
The Spit of a Bird
and as a boy I praises the heroes that toke Fenrir's freedom from him!
But now, as man, while I still appreciate the labors of such heroes. I find, myself a bit pit for Fenrir Once- Free.
Ulfric turned the horse near the cliff by the sea..
How must I feel to lurch forward and strange against binds with you cannot see, to bite and break your fangs on hard truths you can do nothing about?
for many years, I have felt the weight of the chains that inherited from my father, the ones that given me along with the GreyBeards rope atop High Hrothgar, ones issued by the Legion, the pain ones earned from enduring Elenwen's torture.
But something about today has lifted the weight... For the first time. In a long time.. I feel free. I know not what has caused it, but makes sense, doesn't it?
What can unlock chains unseen, a unseen key..
Ulfric looked at Yagi, crying warrior shouts in the air. The air gushing in their faces
Ulfric put his head of Yagi's shoulder,"Hush... keep your eyes on the water."
The cold wind brushed Yagi's fur,"Maybe you do have me looking for ghost, because I can't see anything. The Sea's is calm as can be... damn near s sheet of glass.."
Ulfric came closer to Yagi,"Ah, but your only looking at the surface. Not everything is as it's seems."Ulfric answered with a whisper. "I don't gett it what do you-?"
Yagi jumped like he was a little boy,"Ulfric did ya see that?" Ulfric giggled,"Of course I did see boy, i am not blind!"
Yagi tried to wiggle out of Ulfric's hold,"Holy Shit! I wanna go pet it!"
"I like you spirit, but I don't think that's a good idea. Stay still will ya!" Yagi calmed and leaned on Ulfric, he sat there in Silence looking that the whales dancing on the surface. Ulfric grabbed Yagi tightly near him,"I take by your reaction. This is your first time seeing Whales?" Yagi looked up,"Outside of picture books that a little boy showed me, yes. Not that I'm grateful but.. why did you being me out here?"
"You told me my home was beautiful, I think any man is proud of his home would want to respond in kindness."
Yagi sat in the position they were... Yagi's heart calmed. "Ulfric.. you are acting really different." Yagi looked at that tall nord who is enjoying their position and viewing the whales..
"You push me hard. Of training with you or the other men. I don't get it, why are you holding me close and saying such... honeyed words?", Ulfric thought for awhile,"I don't know... maybe I want you close."
"Close with you in the war?"
Ulfric paused,"no.. that's not it." He said to himself.
"Do you want to go home?"
"Yes.. I am really tired and sore from today."
"Oh, okay." Ulfric touched Yagi's face a booped his nose,"But my jarl.."
"What is it?"
Yagi wheezed,"Your going have to let me go."
"Ulfric released his stomach,"Oh yeah sorry!"
Why is it so easy touching him?
I hope Gryllir here go faster then he looks..
"You tell me if where going to fast. Okay." Ulfric held Yagi waist, Yagi grabbed the horse's saddle,"You do know that I have a bigger horse then you, right?".
That was for damn sure. Yagi's other horse is bigger the Ulfric's. Ulfric sighed in a teasing way,"Fine.. alright here we go!"
The horse walked on the road to Windhelm, it's really quiet.. to quiet. It was quiet enough to hear the birds chirp and hear the rivers roar, and feeling the horse's hooves thud against the stoney road.
so quiet, so we rode in Silence for a time.. His hold is constant.. not to much.. and certainly not too little.
Yagi glanced at the view.. the snow is melting..,"Wow," Yagi awed. "What?"
"It's amazing.. this view. The Folks saided Eastmarch was just some barren, snow covered this shithole when I first come to Skyrim."
"Say, Yagi do you have any plans this evening?"
"No.. just need to go home and sleep. And that's it. Why do you ask?"
"You'll see. We're turning around."
A brave world indeed.. what a strange world we live in. What land am I in where it feels almost right? As natural as the air and trees around us.
Ulfric tugged the horses briadal to turn around, the horse speed up. Ulfric looked down at the small Khajiit,
"How accomplished I take that your a rider, Yagi?"
"Oh, of I had that septim for every time a man asked for that."
"I mean, training with the other boys on horse back. It feels like I've grown up with horse. So yeah, Why?!"
"Just hold on, I'm going to go fast!"
why in mara's hold am I comfortable with this?
"Good. Come on Gryllir. Let's go home." Ulfric clicked his tongue.
"Damn these nobles. Every fucking time one of them thinks he can put his hands on something that doesn't belong to him." Yagi grred to himself.
"Are you alright? Your not wiggling and your not saying much?" Ulfric question. "Oh... yeah I'm fine really. It just .." the horse stopped, Ulfric looked at him,"Never mind.. just forget it." Yagi was not okay.. his heart is beating so fast like a jack rabbit running from his prey.
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"I've have to admit, he's getting better," Ulfric thought to himself when he punched Yagi across the face. "That's it Khajiit again, relay on your strength you don't have!!! Use your speed cat. Get close and stay close!" Said Ulfric.
Yagi has been trained with the other men in the training area. Being pushed and shoved around. Being covered in cuts and bruises, by fighting with the other nords.
"Rah-! Damn it!", shouted Yagi.
"The Khajiit came awfully close this time. Almosted cut me.. buat.. close isn't enough!" Ulfric said to himself. Yagi was punched hard in the face, for he fell on the muddy cold floor. Yagi got up but was pinned down by Ulfric. "Grrr-! Get off of me Jarl!"
"Oh, is that what's your going to say when some legionaries has you dead like this? How many times have i told you to not drop your sword NO MATTER WHAT!!" Ulfric barked."Being reckless against a larger, stronger opponent will get you and anyone who aids you killed!"
Yagi is squirming trying to get out of the Dumb trolls grasp!!
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The day of Sun's Dusk 71th of Middas. The Stormcloaks attacked Whiterun, many fought and died for Skyrim. Yagi had to battle Balgruuf to surrender and give up his throne.
Ulfric and Yagi walk out the city and go back home to Windhelm.. Yagi noticed that his Jarl was limping and huffing. Ulfric was trying to convince that he is alright, Yagi had a small cottage somewhere near just a mile away.
Yagi helped the tall nord walk to his cottage, to heal him. But he wasn't only him who was hurt it was Yagi too..
"My jarl.. we are almost there.. just a few steps!" Yagi said trying to not grunt and huff in pain, while holding his Jarl in balance.
"Khajiit, I am fine! I don't need your assistance, I can walk on my own!" Ulfric barked. Yagi scrunch his nose to show his teeth. "Nonsense! You have a deep cut on your side! It needs to be healed, I don't want ya bleeding all the way to Windhelm, and a chance of dieing!"
"You should look at yourself! You have a debit in your arm!"
"Yes I know! But are more in need then me! You are important in this War if you die the Stormcloaks won't have their homeland back! Then the Imperials will win! I can't let you die!"
Ulfric looked at the Khajiit, for awhile.. they were quite. But not the pain of them. Yagi spotted his cottage, where he studied potions, herbs, berries, magic and whatever he wanted to know. Yagi put Ulfric against the wall to keep him standing, Yagi tried to grab his keys but he is in so much pain. Yagi opened the door and laid Ulfric on his bed, for him to relax. Yagi rushed to his shelf and tried to look for some healthing potions or herbs to help his dieing jarl!
Yagi is too weak to hold the bowl and stone to grind the herbs together.
"Yagi.. no.. do- ah... don't do that." Ulfric said while trying to get up. "I am fine I can go back with Galmar," Yagi ran and pushed him back down on the bed. "No. Stay! And let me help you!" Yagi went back grinding the herbs, then the bowl slips out of his hand.
"SHIT!" Yagi sat on the floor, in disappointment..
"Yagi.. just use your.."
"Use my what, my jarl?"
Ulfric stattered,"Your magic.. like last time."
Yagi's ears perked for he never heard that before,"My jarl are you sure? But you hate magic, you told me to not use it again on you!"
"I am important to you... like you said.. just use you magic.. faster.."
Yagi got up the floor holding his injured arm.. limping he sat on the edge. Ulfric grabbed his hand..
"Just lay.. lay beside me.."
"But. Is that disrespectful to you?"
"I don't mind.. if it's just you.."
"As you wish.."
Ulfric made room for Yagi to crawl and lay beside him.. Yagi and Ulfric made themselves comfortable for Yagi can use his magic calmly, and comfortable..
"Is this good, dragon?" Ulfric asked.
"Yeah.. well this is a very, very embarrassing position.. are you sure you want to keep your space?"
"Its okay.. we've done this before.. remember."
"Well.. I suppose.." Yagi was sure embarrassed for he wanted to jump out the bed because he always had a horrible feeling in his heart! Ulfric was calm.. and so was his heart. Not Yagi's, you can feel his heart beating like it's going to burst out of his chest!
Yagi, magicak flickered for only a little light, his magic does that when he feels uncomfortable. Ulfric touched his cheek, stroking it..
"It's alright.. there is no need to.. panic." Ulfric sighed.
"Yes, sorry my jarl." Yagi placed his hand over the wounded, and letting the magic do its work. The cut was deep.
Ulfric grunts, "My jarl, remember don't close your eyes! Just squeeze if it's to much."
"'Sometimes it's harder for bad memories to live in the light rather then the dark,' yes.. I know.. it's that it's just burning inside!"
Yagi slowed his magic,"How deep is it.. my jarl?"
"It feels like it's cl-." Ulfric coughed and moaned,
"Well.. It will hurt for a while! Don't move please!" Yagi put his leg over Ulfric's to keep him still.
Ulfric is only huffing trying to not scream or shout..
Yagi snuggled closer to Ulfric to keep him calm, "Ulfric, please your scaring me.."
"Sorry.. I'm sorry."
It only toke awhile.. for the wound to scell. Ulfric is healed.. yagi however only had a little magic left in him.. it will take awhile for it to restore so he can heal himself..
Yagi didn't die, okey dont worry!!
You may think it absurd, but I have just begun the Civil War questline with Ulmo my Altmer Druid.
Although he abhors war above all else, like it or not there is a war on, and as a master of the healing arts he cannot in good conscience sit by while young men and women go out and slaughter each other for such foolish reasons.
So, I've joined the Legion (though I still consider my character to be neutral) as a healer, and healing will be my only role in the war. I just completed the Jagged Crown quest without lifting a finger against a Stormcloak and without losing a single Imperial soldier.
Unfortunately I can't save lives on both sides, but I hope to get through with minimal Imperial casualties, and I already have a couple of cunning plans in mind to reach that end...