Nothing will ever settle some of these. People have very different ideas. So here's the answers from me.
1. Define canon, but canon as most people understand it doesn't exist with TES. There are only levels of truth. C0DA is a reference for us to understand some deeper metaphysics, which it does a good job at. It was never intended to have its events represented within the games. So to answer your question, do the events of C0DA actually happen? Yes, in a time stream. Will the events of C0DA ever occur within a TES game? Almost certainly no. Are the events of C0DA referenced in game? Yes.
2. As far as it has been presented, yes. Most likely this will be the LDB's way of fading into obscurity like previous Prisoners have. Of interesting note, there is an unreleased Nordic creation myth that was suppose to be in Skyrim but never made it to publication, that mentions how Mora was created from the leftover bits of Aka-Tusk. This means that Mora is a part of the Aka Oversoul, which would also explain his fascination with Dragonborn and why the Skaal hate him so much, since Aka is the Adversary.
3. Within the C0DAverse timeline, yes. However, this does not mean they will win within the Tamriel Prime timeline we see within the games. So to that, the answer is unknown.
4. Most certainly not. The only et'ada to have died was Lorkhan. Is Alduin permanently gone? Quite possibly. This may even be the reason for Landfall. It's possible that the kalpa just went on too long and the Thalmor needed to find a new way to escape and return to the Dawn. So what's the difference between dead and gone? The Aka oversoul sheds itself and then also has the ability to put itself back together. It's possible that aspect Ald rejoined other pieces of the Oversoul.
Simple answer, yes, the HoK is likely stronger. He's a Shezarrine and Mantled Pelinal.
Alduin is the shed skin of the Aka-Tusk, that is to say, he is a subgradient of the Time Dragon. Akatosh, Auri-El, Alkosh, and so on, are also subgradients of the Time Dragon.
"And the third, who looked akin to a Karstaag-man, [gigantic], and adorned in storm cloud and endless, endless yellowtooth… [he] was Alduin the World-Eater, and he only said, "Ho ha ho."
“You will eat nothing here, aspect Ald,” said the Aka-Tusk, sensing trouble. “Do not forget that it was Heaven itself that shed you from me.” - Fight Four, "The Tenpenny Winter...Again”
You heard wrong. There isn't a "billions of years" in TES.
Alduin brings about new kalpas, as linked above, which are cycles of the universe. These are not new universes, but instead are cycles of the mortal world.
Anu, the Dreamer/Godhead/Amaranth of this universe, existed in some pre-universe, likely with its own Dreamer/Godhead/Amaranth since the concept behind TES is cycles upon cycles and circles within circles. While several places discuss this, the most direct explenation of the birth of Anu's Dream is from the Annotated Anuad, which is the Bosmer creation myth. The bit where Anu sleeps in the sun is where the new universe, the Aurbis, Anu's Dream, begins.
Yokuda
For Yokudan mythology, look to the Reguards. It can be argued that they are both the same and also not the same as the Eight.
Maormer
The Maormer are strictly Lorkhanic/Padomaic Mer. Their king was made from the skin of the Serpent, who is Lorkhan.
Akavir
Well, here there's Tosh-Raka, who is an obvious subgradiant of the Time Dragon, a part of Aka. Given this, it seems possible there are other potential Divines, but we have no information about it at all.
Considerations
Keep in mind that the concept of the Eight Divines is something very old. Both ancient Atmoran and ancient Aldmeri pantheons contained the Eight. It was because of this that the Alessian Order were able to integrate the two religions together to form the Cyrodilic pantheon so well. There's obvious holes and gaps in the Alessian Eight, but it made enough people happy. There are also the Eight Divines as in "heavenly bodies," i.e. the Plane(t)s. It's quite obvious that the Eight are fundamental to the mythic structure of the Aurbis (eight spokes of the Wheel).
The All-Maker is Shor, Father of Shor. I'll explain.
"He was the Aka-Tusk, a somewhat foreign spirit (yeah, right) from the Totem Wars, and known mainly in the tongue of Men as the enemy-brother of Shor, and he said, "Look on them, my friends, and how the North has gone insane with the beating and beating of the Doom Drum, whose father they fool-talk call their All-Maker." - Fight Four, "The Tenpenny Winter... Again."
We see Aka-Tusk (The Adversary, see below) discussing the father of the Doom Drum, who is Lorkhan. Given that the Seven Fights are a Nord story, we can then call this individual the father of Shor, who is also Shor.
"The Adversary has many aspects. He appears in the unholy beasts and the incurable plague. At the End of Seasons, we will know him as Thartaag the World-Devourer." - Aevar Stone-Singer
So we see here the Adversary called the "World-Devourer" a.k.a the World-Eater. This points to the Time Dragon as the Adversary. This aligns very well with Nordic mythology as the Dragan-as-the-enemy, such as what is seen in Shor, Son of Shor with Ald. Therefore, Aka-Tusk is the Adversary.
Now you might say, "Wait, this means Alduin would be the Adversary since this is the World-Devourer and Ald is Alduin, too." Well, just wait. Notice the "has many aspects" part and take note of
"And the third, who looked akin to a Karstaag-man, [gigantic], and adorned in storm cloud and endless, endless yellowtooth… [he] was Alduin the World-Eater, and he only said, "Ho ha ho."
“You will eat nothing here, aspect Ald,” said the Aka-Tusk, sensing trouble. “Do not forget that it was Heaven itself that shed you from me.” - Fight Four, "The Tenpenny Winter... Again."
Alduin is part of the Aka-Tusk, shed from him. Shor, the Doom Drum, is part of his father, born from him into the new Dawn and the new Kalpa. The Nords/Skaal seem to have some pretty detailed knowledge of subgradients.
You're REALLY close. We do actually know what happened to the Dwemer. The use of the Heart of Lorkhan and Kagrenac's tools, plus their psychic link known as the Calling, all contributed to them stacking their souls together (dubbed "soul stacking") and fused with Numidium to become its divinity.
The write up of the Final Report to Trebonius explains what happened to the Dwemer. While this was a fan submission, it explains in game sources written like an in world document. This has been confirmed by Michael Kirkbride (a developer of Morrowind) and references to it exist in other places such as in C0DA when Jubal says to Numidium, "You are the dissapearance of the dwarves," and from the Skyrim quest involving Arniel who used Kagrenac's tools and a soul gem to fuse himself to a robut.
Retropower411 wrote:
Sothas wrote: The LDB hasn't done anything to ascend.
You mean slaying a world-ending monster and averting the extinction of all mortal life doesn't qualify?
That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.
ZAVAZggg wrote: There is no god or satan in ES just like there is no real good/evil and right or wrong.
Why? IT'S ALL A DREAM.
Think about it.
If you did that then every et'ada would be really close to the center line of good and evil.
GamerSophie wrote: Personally, I would pretty much ignore Kirkbride's lore after he left Bethesda.
Then you would have to ignore Oblivion, Skyrim, and ESO.
WARNING: Wall of text incomming.
The term "god" is pretty misleading in TES. There really isn't anything that truly qualifies as a god in the sense that they created people like most see god. Sure, the Aedra used their Gift-Limbs to create Mundus, but that's not really the same. The Aedra didn't create mortals. Mortals use to be infinite spirits just like the Aedra. The Aedra are just the ones who ended up with more power remaining.
With that said, there are six ways to ascend. These are the Six Walking Ways, as described by Vivec and Jubal. They are the paths that reach Heaven by Violence. Heaven being a catch-all word for "higher being." Violence being a catch-all word for vilence. ;)
CHIM is one of these Walking Ways. The 5th one. This is Love under Will. Narcissistic Will. In the most simplest of ways, it is realization that the universe is emergent. All things are of the Godhead, Anu. If this is fully understood then one will wink out of existence. This is called Zero-Sum. However, a select few, specifically Talos Stormcrown, Vivec, and Jubal-lun Sul (although he went further), have forced their will upon the universe. Their understanding of the universe included the fact that, while they are a piece of the Godhead, they are still separate. They are their own. This is I AM AND I ARE ALL WE. Basically they thinkg, I might be a bit of you, but I'm way too badass to go away.
Amaranth is not a Walking Way. This is the act of becoming and the state of being a Godhead. Amaranth is a type of grain. In Greek mythology the flower of the amaranth plant is a symbol of birth. Think of this when you think of the TES version of Amaranth. The Amaranth births a new universe. This is similar to Para Brahma in Hinduism. The Godhead is the Dreamer. The Dream is the universe. This isn't to say that reality isn't real. It's just how realities are born. The only two beings we know of to acheive Amaranth are Anu and Jubal-lun Sul. Vivec REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to, but fails. Ultimately, xe must marry Jubal to acheive hir dreams of becoming a Dreamer. Even then, it's not really Vivec.
I can go into much more detail if you have specific questions, but that's the jist of it.
Only if you believe the Bosmer's story. He doesn't even exist in Altmer myth, and in Khajiit he's a she and is Ahnurr's wife. There's also the idea that Padomay and Anu are actually just Anu and Padomay is simply Anu's Id. This would fit better with the Khajiit story while still working with Bosmeri one. Padomay isn't evil, he's chaos.
And that's just it. Given that the entire universe is the Dream of Anu, Padomay, or more speciically, Sithis, is Anu's id. He is his raw emotion, his instinct, and his passion. These things are not inherently evil. On the reverse side, Anui-el is the super-ego, which is the stasis, order, and structure, which can be controlling and suffocating. That balance is found in Mundus, the ego.
Nix dryadalis wrote: 1: Sithis
2: If there are mortals, then it is the Mortal Plane.
3: The only few known Oblivion Realms are 1: Oblivion (Duh) 2: Qurnen 3:Diist 4: Dovah (Home plane of Dragons)
4: Beond oblivion is the Void, There are a few patches where the void has created other entire Oblivion Planes.
5: Fiction or not, there is always more than one solar system, if there was only one the Elder Scrolls will never exist.
1. The universe is Anu's Dream and the Aurbis is created via interplay with Anui-El representing substance and Sithis as change. No one being created what is contained within the universe.
2. Mundus is what he's looking for.
3. What? Literally no. You're actually making shit up here.
4. The Void and Oblivion are not separate places.
5. If it's fiction it can be anything. TES does not contain other systems because it doesn't follow our laws of physics. Tamriel is both the mythical and literal center of the universe.
CatholicPrincess15 wrote: If you want to make a Christian/Jewish/Islam allegory in The Elder Scrolls, like people who posted earlier, I would go with Anu is God and Padomay is Satan.
That's how I do allegories in my TES fanfiction, anyway.
The problem with doing that is that it's a purely Mer point of view. To Man, the Padomaic spirits (Shor, Shezarr, the All Father) are the "good" gods.
TiberiusConstantine wrote:
Hah, I don't think Tamriel is politically correct and progressive enough (yet) for people to take that seriously.
Compared to what? They have same sex couples all over the place and no one bats an eye at it.
Daedra aren't evil. You're viewing them through the lens of the Cyrodilics and Nords. It's understandable given that those are the views in the twow most recent games, but it's also only their point of view, and opinion is subjective.
Let me help with the wrench in your argument. Meridia promoted slavery within Ayleid society. Is she really so good? Boethiah and Mephala are worshiped as two of the three good Daedra within Dunmer society. Are they evil? Mehrunes Dagon is the bringer of hope and revolution against tyranny. He wanted to end the kalpic cycle but was cursed for it. He's a victim.
As for Any and Padomay. Padomay isn't evil. He is disorder and chaos. The 36 Lessons explain this thoroughly.
As for a creator, you can find relation to this concept through Gnosticism and Hinduism. It is Anu. He is the Amaranth.
DagothUr5666 wrote:
DagothUr5666 wrote: Mehrunes Dagon of course. Dagon is a god and alduin is a tiny puny lizard
Alduin is a god, bro.
No he is not he is close to a god but he is not one mehrunes dagon would have killed him with ease
Uh huh. So every book that mentions him and calls him a god is just bullshit?
Also, there's this one time that Alduin cursed a dude and you know... Created Dagon. So there's that.
Let me help you out here. Alduin is a piece of a greater whole called the Time Dragon. The Nords/Skaal use the name Aka-Tusk. In the community we tend to use Aka or AKA. It is the original. It is the Oversoul of all Dragons. He was fractured and split into lesser subgradients. The largest of these are the Dragon God's, Auri-El, Akatosh, Alkosh, and Alduin. Later Tosh-Raka joined the club via Dracocrysalis. You see, Auri-El represents the beginning of time, Akatosh the present, and Alduin the end. The dov, jills, and dovahkiin are smaller, lesser shards of the whole. And to finish this off, the dov are not just "tiny puny lizards." They are Ada. They are biological time machines.
DagothUr5666 wrote: Mehrunes Dagon of course. Dagon is a god and alduin is a tiny puny lizard
Alduin is a god, bro.