So I was wondering how long we know or guess each era lasted? Trying to get a scope of things.
What's on your mind?
The texts Ysmir the Forefather and The Oath of Light (It is recommended to read the texts before reading this post) are two texts that tell of Ysmir (who doesn't seem to be king Wulfharth, but a different individual), who is referred to as "a king of men and dragons".
According to the text "Ysmir the Forefather" when Ysmir grew old and was about to die he wanted to be buried somewhere where none will be able to reach him so none will be able to claim his tomb. He decided to go to the skies upon death and became the constellation of the Warrior.
I think this Ysmir is Akatosh and that this story is how one of the races of men (most likely Nords, due to the usage of the word Ysmir) interpreted the time god's ascension to the heavens.
The following are details about Ysmir the Forefather that seem associated with Akatosh:
Ysmir became the Warrior - Akatosh is the eye of the Warrior (according to the MK text "Cosmology")
Ysmir was a king of mend and dragons - Akatosh can be seen in the same way
"Ysmir the Forefather entered the valley
And lit four braziers. He called them past, present, future.
The fourth brazier he called eternity."
~The Oath of Light
Past present future and eternity perfectly fit with concepts Akatosh represents.
They will say, 'Ysmir is our king, for he rests among us.' And my children will fight amongst themselves and divide my body among them, sending my head one way, my hands another, and my feet, and my mighty heart."
~Ysmir the Forefather
I think this sundering of Ysmir's body that he mentioned might be analogous to the Middle Dawn in which his suspicions did uccur.
The title Ysmir means Dragon of the North and is attributed to Dragonborns (whose connection with Akatosh is well know). Maybe this is how Akatosh was interpreted by men when he and the gods walked the earth as mortals, or maybe his name is the namesake of the title given to Dragonborns.
What’s some of your theories on the Dwemer’s disappearance?
Me personally, I think they possibly went to Atmora, and were also somehow responsible for making that continent seemingly uninhabited. The Dwemer seemed to have a high level of technology and magic skill; I think they could have somehow altered Atmora’s climate in order to drive the human population there to Tamriel.
Ever had difficulty differentiating the four races of men in-tamriel? Well, look no further than this handy social guide when interacting with Tamrielan races of men, my dear elves. We do this to not offend the lesser races of men, by mistaking a Breton for an Imperial, etc.
Nords: Nords usually have pale skin, blue eyes, and blond hair. They’re rather staunch faced with strong features and muscular in build, standing around 6’0 feet height wise. Their facial structure seem to be heart-shaped with ‘heroic’ facial features that set naturally in with the rest of their skull structure. Their skin tapers naturally around their features and aren’t as sharp or prominent as the Imperials, but also not as nuanced as Bretons. Their jaws seem to be quite angular in looks. The Nords have an obvious Scandinavian influence and their eyebrows are naturally straight but not rigid. Their noses also seem to be a tad bigger than the other races. They also usually sport beards and long, braided hairstyles.
Imperials: Olive to tan skin, darker eyes and hair, their faces are squarer in nature and sharper onset underlying face maps with pronounced jaws and cheekbones, brows. Thin or athletic in build normally with thick, straight brows. Very Mediterranean look about them and 5’10 in height. Hair is ranging from short to long, with most keeping shaved styles or another assortment of manicured facial hair, though nowhere as robust as the Nords.
Bretons: Pale skinned, dark beady eyes and usually dark hair too. Bretons’ faces are roundish-gaunt in looks. They seem to have a high cheekbones and jaws. Their jaws are also noticeably shorter and rounded and the men have some excess skin underneath their chin; giving a slight ‘recessed-jaw’ or ‘weak-jaw’ look. Whilst the females appear to have plumper cheeks. Breton lips are also very sensual in appearances. A clear french or Celtic influence and at 5’9 in height. Their eyebrows are thinner but can appear to be so rigid that they even bend upwards in few instances. The ears of the Bretons appear slightly sharper at the ends and their eyes can be tilted slightly, reminiscent of elves. The Bretons also appear quite frail and feminine, sporting medium to long hairstyles and a wide assortment of thin facial hair for the few that can grow it.
Redguards: Skin ranging from light brown to ebony, with dark hair and eyes. The Redguards have bulbular noses, curved eyes, lips and thick, curly hair. Their face-shape is oval but very lean and somewhat curved. The jaw curves inward and so do the eyebrows. The nostrils seem to flare out a bit more too. They look North-African, and even slightly middle-eastern. They are 5’11, more muscular than Imperials, but leaner than Nords. Redguards have a skull structure completely set apart from the other races of men since they are non nedic, making them the most unique race of men by far.
Out of all the different types of chosen ones in the franchise (Dragonborns, Shezarrines, Manes, Silvenars, Sybils, and many others I cannot recall or don't know of), what type do you think is the most integral to the history of Tamriel?
I think the answer varies; in general Dragonborns would be the most important and needed (because of the Dragonfires, and the deeds of the LDB), but for specific peoples it might be their people's chosen one (the Mane for the Khajiit, for example).
What happens to vampires after death? I know vampirism confers immortality but vampires can still be slain in combat. I assume their souls are probably claimed by Molag Bal somehow but I’m curious as to what actually happens to them.
It is known that Sheogorath didn't form from the conflict/interplay of Anu and Padomay like the rest of the et'Ada, rather from another source. The Shivering Isles DLC reveals to us that Jyggalag was transformed by the other Daedric Princes, becoming Sheogorath. However, the book Varieties of Faith in the Empire provides a different account of Sheogorath's creation; he was born when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed.
It is possible both accounts are accurate despite being contradictory to one another, given the nature of the Dawn Era and of the gods. There is however another idea/theory I came up with:
As many of you know, Sheogorath's nature is splitted into two personalities that correspond with the nature of his realm. The two regions of Mania and Dementia represent the different aspects of Sheogorath, Mania is more cheerful, charming and colorful, and Dementia is more depressing and dark. Maybe each of these aspects is what formed from each of Sheogorath's possible origins; for example, the Manic aspect was born when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed and the Demented aspect formed when Jyggalag was transformed by the Daedric Princes, or vice versa.
Simply what is it?
"The first ones were brothers: Anu and Padomay. They came into the Void, and Time began."
(from The Imperial Library)
I was under the impression it was agreed that there was JUST Anu and Padomay to begin. Two primordial forces, why does it suggest here they have entered a space that was not previously occupied?
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It is my opinion that the Deep Ones worshiped in Hackdirt are in fact Lurkers. The reason for this has to do with the numerous references to H.P. Lovecraft in both the Skyrim DLC and the Hackdirt questline in Oblivion. N'Gasta is basically Tamriel's Abdul Alhazred and his book is an imperfect copy of the Black Books. The real connection is that the Lurkers are basically the Deep Ones from the Shadow Over Innsmouth and other Cthulhu Mythos tales.
If you’ve ever wondered if the gods from the different pantheons are the same gods, I have as well. And while this is largely theory, I’ve correlated which gods are which here.
Akatosh (Auriel, Ruptga, Ald, Bormahu, Alkosh, All-Maker)
Lorkhan (Shor, Sep, Shezarr, Lorkhaj, Sheor the Bad Man, The Greedy Man) (&Talos/Tiber Septim/Ysmir) - If you believe the theories. +Pelinal & Arctus
Dibella (Daubella, Y’ffre, Y’ffer, Jephre, Leki?)
Mara (Morwha, Nirni?)
Zenithar (Tsun, Tsutnal, Zeht, Z’en, Xen)
Stendarr (Stuhn, Stuhnal, S’rendarr, Onsi?)
Kynareth (Kyne, Phynaster, Phyne, Khenarthi, Tava)
Arkay (Orkey, Xarxes, Tu’Whacca, Tu’Arkha)
Julianos (Jhunal, Syrabane)
Obviously these are stretching, but leave your thoughts.
Madness and debauchery seems like a good pair, what do you guys think?
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*Lore notes on Ethnicities of Tamriel
If you are the sort who likes deep lore, I have gone out of my way to dig up the deep dirt on Tamriel's human population and it's actually a lot more diverse than you think. What follows contains very little head canon, and all of these groups have been mentioned in canonized sources and therefore can be assumed to exist in game. Remember that this is just how things look on my side of the Dragon Breach. If you do not like how I have described these groups please do not bother me about it. If you find how I have described one of these groups offensive, I don't care.
Akaviri: The Asians of Nirn. According to developer "Slateman" (Alan Nanes) they survived the Tsaesci holocaust thanks to the intervention of Tosh Raka. If the more lore friendly items in the Creation Club are taken as canon, Akaviri humans are not entirely unknown in Tamriel by the fourth era and an be created without the excuse of a Dragon Breach in Skyrim.
Kreath: One of the proto Imperial groups, the Men-of-Kreath are somewhat Germanic, being a mix of both Nordic and Imperial stock. Considering that in lore Falkreath is full of graveyards and is actually larger than current Germany in terms of landmass we can guess that this the home of the Kreath.
Nords: Baltic/Viking kingdoms. The Nords can easily be identified as Tamrielic translations of real world Nordic peoples. Whiterun resembles Sweden in terms of politics, while Windhelm is ruled by a guy who may as well be Varg Vikernes, so Norway. Riften is full of trolls, so there you have Finland.
Barbarians: WIld Nords. Not all Nords live in places like Whiterun. Some are every bit as savage as Reachmen. Those dudes who live in caves you encounter all over Skyrim are often comprised of such individuals, many of whom probably retain their frost resistance if you are doing tabletop.
Breton: Daggerfall (England), Wayrest (Wales), Camlorn (France), Rivenspire (Scotland) Stormhaven (Ireland.) Some here still practice an ancient form of magic known as Galenic Druidism. Languages spoke in High Rock include Cryodilic Standard, Glenumbrian, and various Galenic tribal dialects. The people here revere the Elven Pantheon rather than the 8 Divines, and prayers and sermons are often delivered in the Elven tongue by the clergy. In High Rock there is no division between Man and Mer, which is a shock to foreigners in the 4th era.
Rihadi: The Men-of-Rihad are a Pre Imperial group native to Hammerfell. They resemble Arabs and were absorbed into the Redguard. Just assume Redguard who look more Arab than Black are these dudes.
Yokudans: Yokudan culture is the dominent cultural force in Hammerfell as well as what is left of Yokuda. This group eradicated the Keptu and subjugated the Rihadi in ages past.
Wrothgarians: Also called the Forsworn or Reachmen. Their shamans are called Druadach, and practice a twisted form of Galenic Druidism. Reachmen of Wrothgar and Skyrim resemble Slavs, while the Reachmen who dwell in High Rock resemble Picts.
Nibenians: Natives of the Nibenay Basin and more generally Eastern Tamriel. They resemble Aztecs and native Americans.
Colovians: A Pre Imperial human group with a distinct dialect and architectural style. They resemble Greeks and Romans, even moreso than most Imperials. In fact, Colovians consider themselves the only true Imperials in all of Cyrodiil, and often consider the current multicultural state of things in the Empire to be an embarrassment.
Cyrodilics: The modern Imperial Citizen is a mix of various ethnic backgrounds and is oft considered a mutt race by the Colovians and Nibenians. For their part, Cyrodilics consider the Colovians to be snobbish and the Nibenians to be primitive. These guys comprise the majority of Western Cyrodiil and resemble spaniards.
Rimmenian: These guys call themselves Akaviri but more resemble Persians than Asians. In any case, while the people of Rimmen Kingdom may think of themselves as Tsaesci, the rest of the humans in Elsweyr just consider themselves citizens of their nation. The typical Elsweyrian human is a descendant of Rihadi refugees from the Yokudan invasion and is not related to the descendants of Akavir. Despite this, all human Natives of Elsweyr are called Rimmen because the term is a pejorative meaning "From the rim of the Empire." These guys resemble the peoples of India.
Gypsies: Also known as Rema, the Gypsies of Tamriel are featured in Redguard and other really old lore, particularly in regards to item descriptions.
Zenithites: A hereditary order of Priests dedicated to a religion that is entirely focused on money.
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Is it possible for sithis to birth his own soul again and create a second Lorkhan to bring the universe into the void?
Personally it would be the Alyeids. They were, in my opinion the cruelest race out there. Torturing humans for fun. The gut gardens, burning children alive.
They deserved what happened to them.
So according to lore, the Dovahkiin, the player character of Skyrim, is the last Dragonborn. But in the case of previous Dragonborn like Tiber Septim, the Dragonborn ability was passed down to their descendants via heredity.
So here’s what I’m confused about: if the Last Dragonborn has children (biological children, not adopted), will they be Dragonborn or not? Like does “the last Dragonborn” mean that the protagonist is the last individual that can be Dragonborn, or does it mean that they are the last person directly granted Dragonborn status from the gods rather from their bloodline?