I followed Ralof the first three times for one reason:
He didn't try to have me executed despite not being on the list and not being a Stormcloak.
I followed Ralof the first three times for one reason:
He didn't try to have me executed despite not being on the list and not being a Stormcloak.
The Imperials had no way of knowing whether you were a Stormcloak spy, especially since you were sighted near the Stormcloaks when you crossed the border. Plus, they wanted to get Ulfric's execution done and over with.
They're actually war criminals.
Ulfric killing High King Torygg at the start was a blatant act of open war and rebellion against the Empire; Ulfric & anyone who joined him will be treated as traitors, to be given the appropriate death sentence, upon defeat and capture.
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I don't blame the Imperials for trying execute me despite not being on the list
Strange logic Someone has made a rough mistake because of which you must die and you dont blame them. In such cases people bring an action against the guilty person at the least. Besides stormcloaks are not criminals.
Although, while I love the Imperials (and side with them), I certainly didn't appreciate the execution, no matter how logical it was. Obviously, reality and logic support Ifnsman's claim, but I am still not over it.
CatholicPrincess15 wrote:
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I don't blame the Imperials for trying execute me despite not being on the list
Strange logic Someone has made a rough mistake because of which you must die and you dont blame them. In such cases people bring an action against the guilty person at the least. Besides stormcloaks are not criminals.
Although, while I love the Imperials (and side with them), I certainly didn't appreciate the execution, no matter how logical it was. Obviously, reality and logic support Ifnsman's claim, but I am still not over it.
How exactly do they support Ifnsman's claim? If reality support anything, it's that the Dragonborn should hold a decades-long grudge against the Empire for nearly chopping their head off. If the Dragonborn survived the ordeal it was due to chance, not the Emperor's mercy.
Give us at least one real-life example of a person satisfied with a miscarriage of justice, please?
^Strawman argument right here. No-one's been saying they're "satisfied". In-fact, the guy before you just said he did not appreciate it.
How should the Imperials have known at the time that the Dragonborn was innocent of involvement with the Stormcloaks? Why would the Dragonborn have needed to illegally cross the border? What legitimate reason would the Imperials have, after they had just captured the rebel leader, to even believe the Dragonborn's claims?
Hadvar ultimately had the right idea, that maybe you were innocent of involvement & were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the Imperial Captain was absolutely convinced by circumstance and 'common sense'.
If you witnessed someone else in the same place as a known criminal ["at the wrong place at the wrong time", as it were] you would naturally assume their guilt by association as an accomplice, at least initially, regardless of whether they truly are guilty.
Ifnsman wrote:
If you witnessed someone else in the same place as a known criminal ["at the wrong place at the wrong time", as it were] you would naturally assume their guilt by association as an accomplice, at least initially, regardless of whether they truly are guilty.
What happened to the "innocent until proven guilty" assumption? Also, why the hell the Empire sends the Dragonborn to the chopping block if he/she's not on the list? For all we know, most offences are punished by jailtime (e.g. trespassing, theft, even murder).
The empire has grown paranoid and overzealous, so go team Rolof!
Majorman86 wrote:
Ifnsman wrote:
If you witnessed someone else in the same place as a known criminal ["at the wrong place at the wrong time", as it were] you would naturally assume their guilt by association as an accomplice, at least initially, regardless of whether they truly are guilty.
What happened to the "innocent until proven guilty" assumption? Also, why the hell the Empire sends the Dragonborn to the chopping block if he/she's not on the list? For all we know, most offences are punished by jailtime (e.g. trespassing, theft, even murder).
The empire has grown paranoid and overzealous, so go team Rolof!
You being on the cart was a mistake, and if you pay attention, the one who refuses to say you aren't a Stormcloak is Ralof, not Hadvar. Ralof doesn't care that an innocent is sent to the block, but at least Hadvar tries to prevent it.
I normally just go with whoever, because the quest is boring after a while. It normally ends up being Ralof because he's closest to you if you wait for half a second
I understand that Hadvar didn't order the excution, true. But he follows orders blindly without thinking. Then at least that would be a reason not to follow him I say. Still, he wasn't the one who wanted the excute but you know, you can always choose.