Yes, I know, the objection about there being no dragons... but the Greybeards were willing enough to anoint both the Skyrim player and Tiber Septim as Ysmir, without there being any other need than simply to prove they were Dragonborn - which was done by quickly learning the Thu'um through the knowledge they provided. As such, any Septim could have become a master of the Thu'um, had they bothered to learn (quite a few lived in Skyrim as well).
Now imagine what someone like Queen Potema or Pelagius the 3rd would do to get such power. The fact that they didn't is evidence enough that all Septims being "of the Dragon blood" is nothing more but a fancy and void title.
the way i see it is that potentially the Dragonborn on Skyrim could be actually a SeptimÂ
u may ask "but then how the Septims couldnt use the Thu´um or any other power related to the dragonborns?"
i tell u m8 the way i see it is that in fact they "Can´t" use it, let me explain myself... the way the game gives us the dragonborn thing is like " a gift from Akatosh and the divines, the Soul and the blood of a Dragon" for the facts we know on Oblivion, the dragonborn blood could be a fact since the Emperor tells you to find his last son and not other guy nor person and for the fact that all Septims since Talos where "septims of blood" till Pelagius the third.... the way i see it is that they are "latent" dragonborns.. with a potentially force within them... the thing is that since its a divine gift, Akatosh as a being could be able to decide if there is such enough harm to the world to "activate" the power within the dragonblood
No The Current septims are not dragonborns. As they are not decendents of Tiber septim as Pelagius Septim was the last dirrect decendent of tiber septim to die (He was Tiber Septims's Grandson) but his brother Agnorith Setpim's daughter Kintyra Septim became empress which his brother is not a dragonborn. So by lore Martin Septim is not a decendent of Tiber Septim but his brother.
You are all missing one fatal problem, when you escort Martin Septum to the Blades, they chant all hail dragon born. (After his speech) check it out yourself. If this is so then what if any of the septims, like dead ones with family's meant to be in the throne, had for family's branching of. Like long lost cousins. This could cause the dragon blood to flow through every single child of that branch. Either or this would make Martin a previous dragonborn. Also think about miirak
I think the best chance of the continuation of the Septim bloodline lies in Martin's involvement of the worship of Sanguine, potentially producing offspring. Sanguine is the Prince of Debauchery and Dark Indulgences, so sex is definitely on the cards for his followers. If Martin and a female worshipper did concierge, and Martin had been converted to the Priesthood of Akatosh before the child was born, there is a chance that Martin would never know, and possible that the mother of said child doesn't know of Martin's identity as a Septim.
As far as dilution of the Dragonborn is concerned, every descendant from Tiber Septim would be less Dragonborn than his father, but Uriel and Martin can both wear the Amulet of Kings whereas the Hero of Kvatch cannot, and the only given explanation is that the Hero lacks the Dragon blood. If dilution does happen, the Martin is less Dragonborn that Uriel, who his less than his father/mother etc. Arguably the Last Dragonborn or even Miraak COULD have worn the Amulet because they are both displayed as Dragonborn (i.e have the Dragon blood) when they absorb the souls of Dragons. Would that make them more worthy of the Amulet of Kings than Uriel or Martin who were descended from a Dragonborn rather than being gifted with the dragon blood like Skyrim's Dragonborn(s)?
What I think is important here isn't necessarily proving Martins possible descendants are Dragonborn, but bel icing in the possibility of their existence, which I feel is more than likely given the nature of Martin's daedra worship. Sanguine in Oblivion sends you to a stuffy party and makes you magically remove everyone's clothes, and has you retrace your steps from a total bender including marrying a Hagraven in Skyrim - would promiscuity be his biggest concern, or a concern of his followers? Probably not.
Daedra worship is taboo enough, so a child born to two daedra worshippers would definitely be considered unholy by the Priests of the Empire, so why would they entertain such a claim? Many women may claim that they fathered Martin's son or daughter, but no matter how many are wrong, only one of those has to be true to prove that the Septim line continues.
Concerning the prophecy of the elder Scrolls, the Dragon fires died and that portion of the prophecy was fulfilled whilst martin was still alive i.e. the Septim bloodline was still alive.
Personally, I'd love there to be a descendant of Martin somewhere. A hidden Septim, child of the famous Hidden Septim. But at the same time, I don't think there is, and the idea is for fanfic and stories, not cannon. Maybe we'll find out in Elder Scrolls VI
no way, they specificly say that Martin is the last septim, and he died without having kids.
what the heck, that's not how that works
Lawadnorder wrote: No, because at some point in the following years millions of women would come out saying their child was the son or daughter of Martin Septim so they could live in luxury and blah blah blah. Also, he was young and a priest thats how he didn't have a secret son or daughter.Â
Umm you realize the first part is irrelevant right? Just because a lot people could have claimed to have bore his son, doesnt mean it couldnt have happened thats ridiculous. We arent asking if he had any legitimized bastards. Unknown ones count. Well the priest argument doesn't really work too well considering that he was also a daedra worshiper at one point according to his dialogue. Actually, to be more specific, he worshiped Sanguine, the Daedric Prince of DEBAUCHERY. He even, at one point, was in possesion of the Sanguine Rose. So i wouldnt rule out a bastard child.
SephGreen wrote: ...Would that make them more worthy of the Amulet of Kings than Uriel or Martin who were descended from a Dragonborn rather than being gifted with the dragon blood like Skyrim's Dragonborn(s)?...
The Dragonborn from Skyrim was not gifted the with dragon blood. At least it is not stated that anywhere. Which would actually mean that technically he would probably have way less of the dragon blood in him than the final members of the Septim Dynasty. This would mean that they would be just as, if not more, powerful as dragonborn considering the higher probably purity of there dragonborn blood.