But we've talked this to death with them and they refuse to see the fact. They are just being stubborn. Its like if they accept that the "Mede Empire" is the same as the Septim/Third Empire that it would make the Third Empire(under Septim rule) any less great and it would forever be tainted with what the Medes did. Empire are born and then they die, its inevitable. If the Medes truly bring about the collapse of the Third Empire then so be it.
agreed, even with all the great things the ROman Empire/Republic did they had some bad as well, no EMpire is flawless and 99% good. I think its people who are Empire fans like myself but refuse to see the wrong, more like Empire Fanboys/girls. The Same people who probly think Tiber Septim was this saintly person that was the greatest thing on Tamriel (personally i think Vivec was a better person then him but just my opinion) even though he used brute force to shape his empire. you gotta take the good with the bad