• Atvelonis
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    Consensus reached.
    20:28, March 16, 2018

    Hey guys, it's Crus here to bother everyone again. I wanted to create a (hopefully) quick CT on Custodian user rights and renaming images, one of the tools given to that user group.

    For a little bit of backstory, since I know at one time I used to not understand it, the "custodian" user group is one of our two user groups given to patrollers, the other being rollback. This CT will focus on the rights of the first, which is renaming images, along with other things.

    However, patrollers have a special exception with renaming images when compared to admin: patrollers have a "throttle," where they can not rename but three images in a certain time frame. To get down to business instead of idle chatter, I want to request to remove that limit.

    The primary reason I want to propose this is it simply slows me down from getting jobs I need finished done. I have multiple tasks that I still have to do that involve renaming images, but I can't get them done if I have to rename hundreds of images and can only get three done at a time. The only con that I'm aware of is the possibility of this added power being abused; however, if a staff member can't be trusted with the tools they're given, they shouldn't be staff to start with, so I don't think that'll be a problem.

    The limit itself can be removed by showing a community discussion to Wikia where they see the community generally agrees with its removal, where they will then remove it, which is what this is.

    Simply stated at the bottom for clarity, I want to remove the limit for renaming images for patrollers, as it creates problems with how fast maintenance work can be completed. Removing the limit will allow for more work to get done. Please discuss below. I will be happy to ban anyone who opposes me and my evil regime. Thanks y'all! – The Crusader of Truth (talkchat) 22:00, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

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    • No problems with this from me. If a user is trusted with the custodian group they should be trusted not to abuse the image rename tool at all.

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    • Well, that rule sounds stupid in the first place. Why is there a limit on how many images can be renamed if you're a patroller? Isn't part of a patroller's job ensuring that images are named appropriately?

      My full suport on this idea.

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    • It's strange that a limit was there in the first place. If a user has made it to patroller, then it means they are capable and trusted enough to not abuse the tool. This feels very counterproductive, so I support the removal as well.

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    • Reading the other posts I can see that this will have more pros than cons. I support this idea too.

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    • Checks and balances for staff members are necessary, of course. But when they start to seriously inhibit responsibilities as you're explaining, it's probably a good idea to take a look at how worthwhile it really is.

      If a Custodian wanted to engage in power abuse there are many ways they could do it without renaming more than three images. This limitation only seems like a valid roadblock to editors who want to contribute a large amounts of edits while following Wiki rules. That is not a policy that makes sense enforcing.

      I support this Consensus.

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    • The limit sounds unnecessary to me. As you pointed out, if a staff member can't be trusted, they shouldn't be staff. I support this consensus as well.

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    • I might be a few days late to the party, but I'm not too late to get on the bandwagon!

      Of course I'm kidding, but I do agree that a silly limit such as that accomplishes nothing. I can understand if that was in place for, let's say, a normal user, but for a patroller, it makes less than no sense to prevent edits from being done for a while just because they have to wait.

      So yeah, I say nah to the currently-in-place limit.

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    • Alright, I'm going to go ahead and submit this to Wikia, so hopefully it can be approved before the weekend hits. It seems like everybody agrees, and it's been a week now. If anybody hasn't yet, there's probably about a dayish or so until the email actually gets opened (hopefully, again) so if you want to vote last second you can.

      If no one else votes, then this should be locked after it's accepted. Thanks y'all!

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