• Don't get me wrong: Dawnguard DLC had a very good story, as well as some stunning locations and overall gameplay.

    But it was ruined by Elder Scrolls.

    Due to Vyrthur creating the Tyranny of the Sun prophecy, it is suggested (by some logic) that he wrote the Scrolls of Blood and Sun. But that's not how it works, right? I mean, a mere mortal cannot write an artifact that transcends time.

    And why, just why are there three Scrolls concerning themselves with it? One of them being, by lore, completely unrelated to the TotS.

    So, Dragons, the children of Akatosh, fragments of Time given form, and their leader, Alduin, the part of Aka-Tusk oversoul, and a being that is perfectly capable of ending a kalpa (which he eventually does) have a Scroll dedicated to them. Okay, reasonable. They should.

    CHIM, the power of unexplained origins, allowing its wielder to transcend all laws and limitations, and alter the Godhead's dream as they see fit. The power that gives its wielder omnipotence that transcends Aedra and Daedra, and maybe even Anui-El and Sithis. Power that played a pivotal part in shaping of Aurbis and Nirn. Power, that if misused or overused, can cause the Godhead to wake up and completely destroy the dream and everything in it. Power that bends reality in all three aspects of time. That power has a Scroll dedicated to it. Fair enough. It should.

    Tyranny of the Sun, an obscure ritual concocted by a disgruntled and quite possibly loony Falmer vamp, a ritual that was forgotten by 99.999999% of the world for 4000 years, and unknown of by 99.999998% after it was uncovered by someone other than Volkihar vamps, a ritual that could or couldn't've even been preformed at all (on the other hand, CHIM precedes the Scrolls and has already happened at least twice, and Alduin ending a kalpa is not "if" but "when"), and depends on so many volatile factors that are also susceptible to "could or couldn't," and that (at the end of the day) plays a very insignificant role in the grand scheme of things (again, unlike CHIM and the dragons).

    That ritual has three Scrolls dedicated to it.

    While the lore of TES has most certainly fallen low since Kirkbride the Madman left Bethesda, this is unforgivably stupid. Wouldn't it be more plausible for TotS to be recorded in some musty old tome? Or in the mind of a madman? Or carved into a stone tablet (like Alduin's Wall, which is unquestionably more important than any other prophecy). Hell, I've seen theories on Miraak that made him into a threat greater than Dagoth Ur and Mehrunes Dagon combined, and are lore-wise perfectly plausible, and even very likely. And Miraak didn't have a Scroll to his name.

    I feel like Dawnguard has overextended its reach.

    Anyone feel similar?

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    • I feel like perhaps you're being too critical of what an Elder Scroll represents. There's theoretically a near-infinite amount of Elder Scrolls. In fact there's like 200+ in the Elder Scroll library in Oblivion. They're mostly "This is a thing that could happen" and after it happens (or doesn't, given that most people have different interpretations of what they see) they say "this is what happened. Unquestionably."

      While it's surprising that there are 3 scrolls that are related to this event, I believe the only one of the three that related Directly to the ToTS is Elder Scroll: Sun, as each component of Tyranny of the Sun could be seen as their own events. The Daughter of Coldharbour must first exist/be found(Elder Scroll: Blood, talks about the "Potency of ancient blood"). The Bow of Auriel may be used either to darken the sun or stop it from being darkened (Elder Scroll: Sun, remember that what Dexion views is only a single outcome of many possible ones), and The dragons will return to the realm of men, in an age of strife (The main events of the game with Alduin, Elder Scroll: Dragon) So one scroll has to do with the creation of the Daughters of Coldharbour, one to do with the sun itself, and one to do with dragons returning.

      If any one of these events did not come to pass, the prophecy would not be fulfilled. In this light, it's possible to interpret that only the Elder Scroll: Sun was specifically about the Tyranny of the Sun, and that the other two on their own are only tangentially related in that they refer to events that would happen within the same time-frame or the outcome of the events of Elder Scroll: Blood and Elder Scroll: Dragon would directly impact the outcome of Elder Scroll: Sun.

      Also it must be noted that Elder Scroll: Dragon is used directly in the main quest, so it can't be directly related to the ToTS, as it is related to the Return of the Dragons and isn't ever actually read during the course of Danwguard. (sun by Dexion, Blood by you)

      And as the Elder Scrolls are simply records of Time and are spread across dimensions, it's entirely possible (and likely true) that there's an infinite amount of Elder Scrolls about infinitely many minor things such as the choice between eggs and bread for breakfast or bacon and bread.

      "You look to your left, you see one way. You look to your right, you see another. But neither is any harder than the opposite. But the Elder Scrolls... they look left and right in the stream of time. The future and past are as one. Sometimes they even look up. What do they see then? What if they dive in? Then the madness begins." - Septimus Signus

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    • nope i don't see what you're thinkng

      sorry dude

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    • I think Decithe7thsin said it well. OP has both overestimated the significance of Elder Scrolls and underestimated that of the TotS ritual. I would like to add that the “sun” in TES is literally the largest window to Aetherius, so blocking that out is much more than eternal night. If anything, the lore problem with the Dawnguard is that the Last Dragonborn can use that power at all.

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    • As Decithe7thsin said. However it may more be the characters overreaching. The Sun Scroll is about a bow used by an Aedra. Which is somewhat deserving. (At least in my opinion)

      The Blood Scroll talks about the overwhelming powers of a woman given a virulent curse created by a Daedra.  Somewhat deserving. (At least in my opinion)

      It's only when these two are put together for the plot's idiocy that it becomes somewhat stupid.  Though I'm pretty sure the prophecy itself WAS a tome, as Harkon had to learn about the prophecy, then gain the scrolls to learn about more parts of it.

      So the prophecy itself isn't necessarily two scrolls, rather two possible components of the prophecy are scrolls that the angry falmer vampire knew about. Which is somewhat fair (to me at least) since he was from the Merethic Era + I mean he's lived for hundreds upon hundreds of years, is it too stretchy to say he'd know of two Elder Scrolls, that when their knowledge put together, could create something he'd personally want as revenge?

      Though again, all my heresy. Feel free to reply and I shall recant.

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