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  • I know their are speculation that Maven is the one because of random encounters with the dark brotherhood assassins that don't occur till after you leave riften for the first time. But here's another speculation that Hadvar is responsible instead.

    Why?

    During the civil war quest he gives you the i heard you had died speech and he insults you for being the dragonborn. So this could be his way of trying to tie loose ends involving you because of you originally sent to be excuted in helga. Someone like him would not tolorate a dragonborn in skyrim because of the power a dragonborn can possess and that poses a threat to hadvar

    And remember in the note from your unknown ally he/she mentions not everyone is anxious for the dragonborns return.

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    • I forgot to add i haven't notice if any of these dark brotherhood assassin random encounters occur after you leave the greybeards for the first time, but if they do then that adds another to the speculation that hadvar is the one that is responsible for performing the black sacrament. No one like him would want a dragonborn around with the power of shouts and he feels that's a threat to skyrim.

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    • Well, ok then...

      • Hadvar shows regret over executing someone not on the list, and even helps you escape Helgen. Such actions make no sense for someone who wanted to kill you. In fact, doing so in Helgen would have been easy: just abandon the Dragonborn to Alduin, or, inside the fort, enter a door and lock it, forcing the Dragonborn to be trapped inside the keep.
      • When Hadvar talks about the Dragonborn, he's drunk, because he's in the tavern (and his speech blurs). By that point, he has no reason to want the Dragonborn dead either, since he helped him/her get through Korvanjund. Not only that, but I don't think that he sees him/her as a threat, since his ranking in the legion doesn't seem to be on his mind.
      • In terms of the greater good, Ulfric has shouts, so the Dragonborn is an important asset to the legion in order to defeat him. I don't see why Hadvar would want to kill one of their more talented fighters prematurely.
      • Attacks by assassins are completely random. There isn't a point in the story where they are scripted to appear.

      I'm sure there's more, but that's my spiel. I just don't see Hadvar going out of his way to randomly try to kill the Dragonborn.

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    • Hadvar never insults you for being the Dragonborn. If you're referring to "Legate Rikke doesn't know my name, probably because I'm not the Dragonborn" line, Ralof will also use that line, so it's not exclusive to Hadvar.

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    • or Ulfric might've peformed the black sacrament because to talos worshippers and stormcloak supporters he's the hero of skyrim and he knows many of them think he is but he looks at the dragonborn as a rival in that title fearing that the dragonborn could steal the spotlight from him.

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    • However is line, "Ha! You're still alive!" can be seen as him wanting you to be dead.

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    • or maybe it's from the fact that random Dragon attacks happen and early on its easy to become a double decker Dragon Born sandwich just like ANY other random person, and he probably knows that u took down a dragon...he may think u are going nuts with the power to Murder drags and killing a bunch o dragons, thus probably he thinks at some time your ganna be Dragon kibble...

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    • Or he may have heard that you went to Sovngarde and (understandably) assumed that meant you died.

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    • I think this is the appropriate thread to confess my totally-rational suspicions of Braith & Lars.

      Just look at those kids very carefully... Clearly, they spy on me and my dealings with the Thalmor!

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    • 71.220.139.30 wrote: or Ulfric might've peformed the black sacrament because to talos worshippers and stormcloak supporters he's the hero of skyrim and he knows many of them think he is but he looks at the dragonborn as a rival in that title fearing that the dragonborn could steal the spotlight from him.

      ...but... why would he? Ulfric is more honorable to his cause than you think, and would make a much more worthy ruler of Skyrim than Tullius or even Elisif, because he actually understands what makes Skyrim special. He understands the cultural heritage of his people, and would do nothing to stop them from gaining their independence. That's, frankly, admirable.

      When one conquers all of Skyrim from the Thalmor lapdogs, Ulfric specifically refuses to call himself High King because the moot hasn't been called. Ulfric also is knowledgeable in the way of the voice. And yes, I know some of his policies are questionable, to be sure, (especially forcing the Argonians to live on the docks, that move was quite extreme, if one asks me for my opinion) and he may have given some information to the Thalmor during the Great War, but this was because he was captured by them and tortured specifically for said information, and resisting torture isn't exactly easy.

      So the prospect of Ulfric Stormcloak hiring a cult to Sithis to murder the Dragonborn is completely ridiculous, as, unlike Maven Black Briar, Ulfric has honor. If it's between a great struggle for independence or the persecution of our race, culture, and religion, I'd have to go with the former.

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    • 86.152.56.18 wrote:
      So the prospect of Ulfric Stormcloak hiring a cult to Sithis to murder the Dragonborn is completely ridiculous, as, unlike Maven Black Briar, Ulfric has honor.

      'Honorable" enough to slaughter his own people whenever they choose neutrality rather than joining the Stormcloaks.

      If an assumption just as ridiculous as accusing Hadvar of being the one to hire Dark Brotherhood assassins after the LDB can be made, then so can accusations be made for the leader of the Stormcloak rebellion; especially since said leader has been proven to never take "no" for an answer when asking fellow Nords to join his cause.

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    • Under logic of this thread, Tullius, Ulfric, Ralof and Hadvar are suspects depending on LDB's choices. Even neutrality might result in either or both sides performing black sacrament.

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    • Anybody who says something like, "You're nothing but trouble" is a good suspect.  There may be no one person that did it.  It may be strictly based on the Dragonborn's choices in the game.  Could be Tullius, Ulfric, Sven, Faendal, or any number of different people.

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    • The whole premise of the Dark Brotherhood assassin being sent after the LDB is supposed to be anonymous. Any theory to point finger at anyone in the game is good as pointing finger at a group of other people.

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