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  • If Daedra are evil, why is Azura wanting to make it so the gem can't accept human souls anymore? Surly taking souls of your victums is considered a tabu, (I know it's not in Skyrim but it should be) 

    So you got the wannabe nice guy offering to good option of making the gem take humans as well as animals, and you've got the Daedra wanting ot make it exclusivly animal souls. 

    My question is, should the devs not have made it the otherway round? 

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    • I'm taking about the Black Star Soul Gem! I thought my question would stay with the artical so I wouldnt need context in the original post. 

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    • Not all the Daedra lords are necessarily malevolent.

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    • I am unable to get the Black Star to work? I have had the item for several levels, I use the soul trap spell and other soul absorbing weapons, and even assure that I am only carrying the Black Star, and it always tells me I do not have a soul gem large enough to house the soul.

      What might I be doing wrong?

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    • 108.174.187.237 wrote: I am unable to get the Black Star to work? I have had the item for several levels, I use the soul trap spell and other soul absorbing weapons, and even assure that I am only carrying the Black Star, and it always tells me I do not have a soul gem large enough to house the soul.

      What might I be doing wrong?

      Do you use any mods?

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    • I play on the xbox 360 - no mods.

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    • And you've tried it on all types of enemies?

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    • Regardless of what people both in and out of universe tell you, Daedra aren't really the same as demons and devils.  People who worship the Imperial Pantheon, or who just don't like Daedra for other reasons, often think of them as demons and devils, but they are not.  The fact that many of them look like traditional Christian depctions of demons and devils is purposely meant to throw you off so that you judge the books by their cover.  Daedra are the embodiment of Change (as opposed to Stasis), and change is necessary to create new good or evil.  But just like people often don't like change, even when it's good, most people don't like the Daedra.  In reality, like Greek gods such as Poseidon and Aphrodite they tend to be capricious and not clearly good or bad.  Case in point: Sanguine.  Generally seen as "the Daedric Prince of Sin" by the masses, he comes across as more of a party dude when you meet him in the games.  He's an extreme hedonist and often overlooks or doesn't think of the consequences of his actions, but he seems to like mortals and has done good things on more than one occasion.  He has even helped out the Empire from time to time, and supposedly even helped to write its constitution.

      Some Daedra like Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal have very well-deserved negative reputations, and you'll fight plenty of mean Daedra in the games, but other Daedra such as Azura and Meridia are as kind to mortals as any Aedric god and sometimes more so.  Most Daedra are between these extremes.  However, even the worst Daedric Princes have "redeeming" qualities, and the best Princes also have their "flaws".  They also have a tendency to form alliances with each other in ways that make no sense to us (like Azura and Molag Bal working together) and lesser Daedra often laugh at mortals' attempts to understand Oblivion's politics.  They also think in different ways than mortals do since mortals were created from the Aedra and not from them.  Good and evil are foreign concepts to the Daedra.  I find it helpful to think of them as aliens to the mortal plane that operate on their own alien morality that makes us go "wha???" plenty of times.

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    • It’s not accurate to think of the Daedra as demons and/or evil. As well as Aedra as gods and/or good.

      In the roughest translation they are Et’Ada Original Spirits. To each other they measure each other. To mortals they are godly spirits. Also to most Daedra they view mortals as animals or even ants. Like humans, a great deal don’t truly try to understand the in-depth nature and machinations of animals. It’s foreign of them to try. But from a mortal point of view. Azura, Meridia, and I think Nocturnal are the only “good” Dedra among mortal view.

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    • They really are less like "demon" interpretations and more like "Fallen Angel" interpretations of demons, no matter how evil they may seem they generally have some divine purpose that is on some level good for the cosmos, but when bored/left to own devices they generally tend to do bad shit, but that's usually their off-time. If you fuck with their job, no matter how it aligns with their actions they get pissed.

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    • Wouldn’t the Aedra be more akin to a fallen angel? After all they left Heaven (Aetherius) to fall into a lesser world (Mundus/Nirn). Similar to the Bad Watchers or Bad Grigori which fell to the Earth rather than Hell.

      I mean sure Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, Namira, and several others have an overall demonic aesthetic to them. But look at Azura she doesn’t, Meridia while original a Magna-Ge did become one after consorting with them and her statue in Skyrim has angelic wings and she is associated with life and light.

      Even the Aedra formed formed the blood from Padomay and Anu during their creation. Only the Magna-Ge minus Meridia are only of Anu’s blood. And we don’t see Padomay as a demon, but a force of change and loosely darkness.

      The Daedra didn’t want to be like the Aedra. As most Dedra embody a type of change not stasis which is the foundation of Anu. The Aedra embody both being made of both. However the Dedra can’t stand to be bound even to themselves. It’s why instead of helping create Mundus. They created worlds within themselves, to embody all change within their sphere of influence.

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    • Inshort. Daedra as godly spirits do things with a heightened awareness of the universe and powers 10,000s of times greater than any mage. So they think in concepts more universal than mortals. And depending on the sphere of change they embody, they can seem good (Azura), neutral (Nocturnal) or evil (Mehrunes Dagon).

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    • I consider Oblivion a higher plane too, just like the Daedra do, the Aedra just fell from some loftier plane with more grandeur.

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