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  • The lore tells he is born at Alcaire, that is located at Hight Rock...

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    • I would assume Tiber Septim is an Imperial due to the fact that his grandson, Pelagius Septim, is an Imperial as well, along with all those of his line. Also, Wulf, and Imperial, is an aspect of Talos, who may or may not be Tiber Septim. All things that I have seen, which is admittedly little, point to him being an Imperial, but make your own decision on the matter.

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    • I always beleive tiber septium was Talos....who was an altmoran....and was changed during the akatosh blessing thing.....as you can regularly find argument between nords and imperials...debating this.  also he could be any race as the empire could of just through breeding made the emperor imperial....

      it is unkown who tiber septium bread with. but I do know that barenzaih was pregenate to him, but it miscarraged, as tiber did not want a child to her....

      this sature look both breton and imperial, from the facial featurs and hair, but funnily he doese not look like a nord from oblivion his face is not big enough.

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    • Tiber Septim is, according to much of Tamriel, Talos. How he became a god, and if Talos is actually Tiber Septim, is a matter of much debate and speculation. This is yet another subject where I must assume Bethesda left the judgement up to the player.

      I do not believe Tiber Septim is an Altmer (Is that not what you mean by Atmoran?) as his aspect, Wulf, is an Imperial as I mentioned before. Besides, why would the Altmer outlaw the worship a god of their own kin and blood?

      Again, it is not unlikely that this is yet another subject that Bethesda leaves to the player to decide what to believe.

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    • ...yes its a debatable topic....I'm hoping somthing about tiberseptium is in TESO mabe his parents or something similoar will be involved

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    • It is specified several times (most recently in skyrim) that hjalti is a nord. Yes, he was born in high rock, maybe cause in that time alcaire belonged to skyrim, that part i dont know, but all his early life was spent in skyrim (first battles, training of the thu'um at high hrothgar), and given that hjalti early-beard sounds much like a name with nordic origin, it would seem plausible to think he was in fact a nord.

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    • Y'know, if someone gets a quote or an legitimate definitive answer concerning the race of Hjalti, someone should probably edit his wikia page so future generations don't have to deal with all this conjecture, heh.

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    • I think all that is really known about him is Hjalti is his birthname Talos is his Nord name & the name he used mostly dureing the wars. & Tiber Septim is the name he took when he ruled over Tamrial.

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    • Skyrim is canon and it says he is a nord even though it never came up in other games

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    • Do you have a quote or something? That way we can lay this to rest once and for all, and then someone can edit Tiber Septim's page.

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    • Tiber septim was the Imperial name for Talos, who was the last person ever from Atmora, he was a Nede.

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    • The wikia says Tiber Septim was from the island kingdom of Alcaire, and was brought up in Skyrim. The real point that we are trying to establish is if we can find an official source discerning his race.

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    • Talos of Atmora was a Nede: the antecesors of the nords

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    • Lots of misinformation and speculation in this topic.

      Firstly, he was in no way an Imperial. Even if his grandson was Pelagius Septim, it means nothing because in the TES universe, you inherit the race of your mother.

      Nor was he a Nede. Nedes and Atmorans are not the same. It's actually a common misconception, but that's another story.

      His race is actually up for debate - There are two beliefs:

      1) "Imperial Orthodoxy" -  He was an Atmoran who came to Skyrim in his youth. Became General Talos, Fought for Cuhlecain who was later assassinated. Became emperor then eventually became Talos. This is established lore that the Empire believe.

      2) "The Arcturian Heresy" - He was a native of High Rock called Hjalti. Fought for Cuhlecain but eventually murdered him. Became emperor.

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    • Thank you, kind sir.

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    • Tarkastio wrote:
      Tiber Septim is, according to much of Tamriel, Talos. How he became a god, and if Talos is actually Tiber Septim, is a matter of much debate and speculation. This is yet another subject where I must assume Bethesda left the judgement up to the player.

      I do not believe Tiber Septim is an Altmer (Is that not what you mean by Atmoran?) as his aspect, Wulf, is an Imperial as I mentioned before. Besides, why would the Altmer outlaw the worship a god of their own kin and blood?

      Again, it is not unlikely that this is yet another subject that Bethesda leaves to the player to decide what to believe.

      Atmorans are the ancestors of the present day Nords

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    • DarkSaiyanMitsubi wrote:


      Tarkastio wrote:
      Tiber Septim is, according to much of Tamriel, Talos. How he became a god, and if Talos is actually Tiber Septim, is a matter of much debate and speculation. This is yet another subject where I must assume Bethesda left the judgement up to the player.

      I do not believe Tiber Septim is an Altmer (Is that not what you mean by Atmoran?) as his aspect, Wulf, is an Imperial as I mentioned before. Besides, why would the Altmer outlaw the worship a god of their own kin and blood?

      Again, it is not unlikely that this is yet another subject that Bethesda leaves to the player to decide what to believe.

      Atmorans are the ancestors of the present day Nords

      I didn't know this at the time I wrote that post, excuse my mistakes. I admittedly and obviously am only an amateur at ESO lore, so I kind of fumble my way through, heh.

      I had eventually connected the dots later on, but editing that post would be pointless at this juncture.

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    • yep, nothing close to an answer...

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    • yes as I said previously I hope TESO will hold some answers, perhaps some parents may be involved...?

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    • ESO takes place in 2E 583, so the timeline says. While Hjalti Early-Beard was born in 2E 830. It might be a little older than parents we are dealing with, heh.

      Unfortunately, I'm sure Jimeee's post is the best canonical answer we have at this time, so who knows? Maybe ESO will bring some nice lore to the table.

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    • since when has TES stuck to their own lore and dates...! most books are wrong, in game with dates, and I wasn't talking about him himself, mabe a ansestor may be alive to comfirm some lore

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    • Tiber Septim (Talos) is a Nede because he is the last person known to have left Atmora

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    • The Vault Dweller11 wrote:
      Tiber Septim (Talos) is a Nede because he is the last person known to have left Atmora

      Atmorans are not Nedes.

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    • Themecanist wrote:
      ...yes its a debatable topic....I'm hoping somthing about tiberseptium is in TESO mabe his parents or something similoar will be involved


      It's not going to be cleared up if the game has a new cannon and is based in the 2nd era, is it?

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    • Jimeee wrote:
      The Vault Dweller11 wrote:
      Tiber Septim (Talos) is a Nede because he is the last person known to have left Atmora
      Atmorans are not Nedes.

      It is true Talos/ Tiber Septim was not a Nede, as they all dided out when Atamora froze. Still it mentions on the wiki page for Atamora, last I chekced, that Nords still sail there for some reason, maybe resources or something. If Tiber Septim/ Talos is the "last from Atamora" he could easily just be born from some fishing/ timber outpost there, then went south to Skyrim when he realised just how boring it was up there. Either that or he could indeed be a Nede, if Atamora completely froze then that would mean no one could live there, afterall how come there still aren't more people coming from Atamora, this could make him centuries old, though it is uknown how he could perform this feat of long life. He is mentioned several times to be called Dragon of the North or some title to do with Atamora, perhaps he went on a pilgrimage, found something, and came back, being literally the last person to step unto and off of Atamora.

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    • LordSidness wrote:
      Themecanist wrote:
      ...yes its a debatable topic....I'm hoping somthing about tiberseptium is in TESO mabe his parents or something similoar will be involved

      It's not going to be cleared up if the game has a new cannon and is based in the 2nd era, is it?

      I would clear alot up, because wqe could then find his race, perhaps even objects he had, mabe we will know his heritage, k,nowledge of his f=amlily could give us great insight

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    • I agree, it would be good to have it cleared up. Kind of how they cleared St. Alissei's back history in the Knights of the Nine plug in and how Ysgamor's history sort of in the Companion quest line. It would give some more fluff to him, though he already has quite a bit ever since Skyrim.

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    • Can't believe all you people don't realize tiber septim was three different people... smh

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    • how is he three differint people

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    • I think that he is Atmoran. While the story of him being breton is plausible, He has TOO much invovlement with Skyrim (Forsworn,High Hrothgar, etc) Plus, Him being atmoran  is why the Nords revere him. 

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    • Atmoran for sure. And he was not three people.

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    • I say he was Atmoran. At first, I thought Nede and Atmoran were the same, but nevermind. Atmoran.

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    • 186.215.22.127 wrote:
      The lore tells he is born at Alcaire, that is located at Hight Rock...


      Yes that is true. But you guys just have to see it like an asian who is born in Amerika.

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    • ?

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    • Tiber Septim could still be a Nord and have been born in Alicaire, High Rock, because according to the lore the Nords have established empires from High Rock to Morrowind to Northern Cyrodil since Ysgramor. Plus you can see Redguard and Imperial children in Skyrim all the time. Tiber Septim's birth name in Arcturian Heresy (Hjalti- Early Beard) also seems to suggest his being a Nord. I once read on another wiki that a source said Talos may have been half nord and half imperial, but nor sure if that is cannon.

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    • 50.138.113.132 wrote:
      Tiber Septim could still be a Nord and have been born in Alicaire, High Rock, because according to the lore the Nords have established empires from High Rock to Morrowind to Northern Cyrodil since Ysgramor. Plus you can see Redguard and Imperial children in Skyrim all the time. Tiber Septim's birth name in Arcturian Heresy (Hjalti- Early Beard) also seems to suggest his being a Nord. I once read on another wiki that a source said Talos may have been half nord and half imperial, but nor sure if that is cannon.

      that person is right about where he was born not meaning what he was. since the differint provinces are just where the Majoraty of a certin people are

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    • Actually I take back what I said before, that he was an Atmoran, because I don't think it is possible for him to be from Atmora. I believe the last ship from Atmora came in the 1st Era and then after that it became Siberia or something.

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    • Nah dog, There were still Atmoran colonies after the first era, They were confirmed all dead by the late 2nd era

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    • Or his genarations, (atmorans) could have moved to high rock and he was born there. End of topic.

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    • Ok "dawg", but according to what source? According to Pocket Guide to the Empire, Third Edition: Atmora the last emigration happened in the 64th year of the First Era and most of those people were dead on arrival. The First Era lasted 2920 years. In conclusion I highly doubt that Talos came from Atmora because he would have to be several thousand years old.

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    • Tiber Septim, also called Talos or Hjalti, was born in Atmora and therefore is Nedic. By the way ,all human races are descended from Nedes. Allow me to explain.

      1. Atmorans came to Tamriel (Mereth, as they called it, hence the Merethic Era) and reproduced and reproduced and reproduced.

      2. Their many, many children moved to different areas. some slept with the mer races and became Bretons, some moved south and became the Imperials, and the ones that stayed in Skyrim became the Nords. Et cetera. 

      Note: The Redguards are actually from Yokuda, which is gone now. 

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    • Where does it say, from an in game source, that he was born in Atmora? I have read seriously every page here and other sites. And I can't find the evidence. Also Nedes are not Atmorans. There were men races native to Tamriel and most were wiped out or enslaved by the migrating Elves. It's all mentioned in one of books about Alessian Empire I believe.

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    • Interesting. I did see a note somewhere that he was born in Atmora, but I just saw that he was indeed born on Alcaire in High Rock. 

      My mistake is that I though Nedes were Atmoran... it actually says at the top of their page, "not to be confused with Atmorans." I am lead to believe that Tiber is Nordic because that was the most prominent race at the time, and many legends tell that he came from Skyrim, even Atmora.

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    • Tarkastio wrote:

      I do not believe Tiber Septim is an Altmer (Is that not what you mean by Atmoran?)


      You need to read up on the lore a bit, friendo. Atmorans are the Nords' ancestors, from the continent northwest of Tamriel called Atmora.

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    • If you paid attention you would all realise Talos/Tiber Septim was a Nord who was technically raised in Skyrim (even though he was'nt born there).

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    • ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


      That is but a hint of truth. BTW Epzo, Sources in books are tended to be proven wrong. The pocket guide to the empire was written by IMPERIALS Who have no connection to Atmora. For gods sake they couldn't even decide whether the Tsaesci were even Men or an entire different race when Uriel Septim fought them at Ionith. I deem that while most information on the Pocket guide to the empire is somewhat reliable, they are wrong about Talos or tiber septim in the pocket guide.In the end, Talos is an Atmoran, born in Alcairw as Hjalti, migrated to skyrim and was raised there, Became Talos as the nords call him, participated in the take over of Tamriel, founded the first empire, Died a hero and became a divine, Anyone who disagrees is free to put in there opinion.

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    • Prof Dandruff wrote:
      Tarkastio wrote:

      I do not believe Tiber Septim is an Altmer (Is that not what you mean by Atmoran?)


      You need to read up on the lore a bit, friendo. Atmorans are the Nords' ancestors, from the continent northwest of Tamriel called Atmora.

      That was quite a while back. I've been corrected on that point numerous times since then, heh.

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    • Vortemir Iron Fist. wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


      That is but a hint of truth. BTW Epzo, Sources in books are tended to be proven wrong. The pocket guide to the empire was written by IMPERIALS Who have no connection to Atmora. For gods sake they couldn't even decide whether the Tsaesci were even Men or an entire different race when Uriel Septim fought them at Ionith. I deem that while most information on the Pocket guide to the empire is somewhat reliable, they are wrong about Talos or tiber septim in the pocket guide.In the end, Talos is an Atmoran, born in Alcairw as Hjalti, migrated to skyrim and was raised there, Became Talos as the nords call him, participated in the take over of Tamriel, founded the first empire, Died a hero and became a divine, Anyone who disagrees is free to put in there opinion.

      I'm not talking just about that one book. None of the in games sources say he is from Atmora and they all agree that after the 62 year of the First Era (60 something I don't remember the exact 60), there were no more migrations from Atmora. I believe he was a Nord (which are the direct desendence of Atmorans) who was born in High Rock because of the multiple border changes that happened during the Second Era. So far I haven't seen evidence that he could possibly be directly from Atmora.

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    • Many of the details claiming that Talos was from Atmora seem to be mixed with Wulfharth of Atmora who was Dragonborn, High King, Ash King, and Underking. He is described as arriving in Skyrim and soon reestablished the Nordic Traditions. Wulharth brings up the question as to why his history is being merged with that of Talo's (human) in the Arcturian Heresy. Wulfharth also fought of the "Alessian Heresies" from Skyrim after the Alessian Empire established their religion there. The arrival to Wulfharth as the last human from Atmora in the later years of the 1st era is also perfect since Atmora froze soon after (Wulfharth also recieved the title of Ysmir and seems to be the first Ysmir; so as a/the Dragon of the North his breath brought about long winter).

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    • Thank you Draconi. That makes sense; everyone is getting Wulfharth confused with Talos. I still think he is a Nord, born in High Rock.

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    • Both Wulfharth and Talos also fit the definition of a Shezzarine along with Pelenial Whitestrake and Zurin Arctus.

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    • I'm sorry who is this Shezzarine? I haven't heard of him/her once. I just searched this site and google. Doesn't exist according to them.

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    • Shezzarine is plural for Shezarr, or a person who is an Aspect/Embodiment/Champion of Lorkhan depending on your belief.

      the aspects of Wulfharth, Hjalti Early-Beard, Ysmir (which may be both wulfharth and/or Tiber Septim, but was first given to pelinal whitestrake who is also considered Shezarrine as well as those listed above) make up the god Talos. it may be that so many aspects of Lorkhan living in the same space made them all ascend to godhood as the one form Talos (who may still appear as his aspects as he did in Morrowind) Only all of them together create the entire legend of Talos, and because of that the 4 figures histories have been drawn together through history to create the story of the one god "Talos". 

      as a side note, thinking on that train of thought, Talos is basically the Resurrection of Lorkhan... which makes sense as both are considered the god of man at one point in time.

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    • Yes, that makes sense except that Ysmir is just a name for the Dragonborn chosen by the Greybeards. At one time it was Wulfharth, next it was Talos and now it is the player character. Idk though. It is tough to really say who is or isn't something. I don't think Tiber Septim was an aspect of Lorkhan for this one reason. He didnt hate elves. Sure he conquered them but he conquered all pt Tamriel so it could live in peace. Lorkhan and his champions don't like the elves. And would have tried to kill or weaken them severely.

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    • I don't think its said specifically that lorkhan hates elves, elves really don't like him though as they view him as the reason that they are no long apart of aetherius. from lorkhans perspective thats a good enough reason as any to conquer the elves specifically to make them like him XD. still it is quite objective, I only mention the names I did because it is mentioned in the lore. in fact looking up Shezarr (I was trying to find the book that mentions shezarrines by name from in-game) I found this http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore_talk:Lorkhan which is basically is the same theory I had up there... not that 2 people thinking the same thing makes it right, but without the book page to back it up its the best I can do :p

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    • http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarr_and_the_Divines

      unfortunately was all I could find, it lists very few shezarrines by name, and I'm now wondering where I read that...

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    • I was wondering that too, just recently has this theory surfaced. It is interesting but I think people are going for a stretch. Penial Whitestrake died, and he never said he would return. It is only guessed that he could be the Underking, but it is known that the Underking is Wulfharth who was a Dragonbord Nord king and the last Atmoran to cross the Sea of Ghost. I read that in one of the books. I can't remember where.

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    • The priest outside of Dragonsreach said that "In southern lands he is called Tiber Septim but here in Skyrim we call him by his true NORD name."

      - Case Closed

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    • Thank you.

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    • Lower Deadra of Molag Bal wrote: The priest outside of Dragonsreach said that "In southern lands he is called Tiber Septim but here in Skyrim we call him by his true NORD name."

      - Case Closed

      Because Priests always tell the truth right?

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    • Only Non-Thalmore Preists.

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    • It's just one source, it doesn't actually "close the case" and besides his real name really isn't "Talos".

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    • Talos seems to translate to "Stormcrown", and was given to Hjalti Early-Beard after her shouted down the walls ot Old Hroldan while a storm cloud was supposedly following him around over his head. Hjalti was at the time a general under the King/Jarl of Falkreath and was fighting the Reachmen. Hjalti would then adopt the name Talos for himself and was known as General Talos. Later once he became Emperor of Tamriel he would change it to Tiber Septim. The Greybeards would also give him the name Ysmir which had been originally created for Wulfharth after he saved Skyrim by summoning Shor's ghost to fight Alduin's ghost. Once Tiber Septim died he was added to the Pantheon under his old title of Talos of "Stormcrown". Wulfharth of Atmora mentions all of this in his book "The Arcturian Heresy". The only name which might have concrete proof that Talos was a Nord was his name "Hjalti-Early-Beard" (and even then on other forums I've read that he might have been half-Imperial though I'm not exactly sure where the source for that came from).

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    • Well, said. It is my belief that Talos/Tiber/Hjalti is a Nord. It makes a whole lot of sense. Also the storm cloud was created by the Underking (Wulfharth). When Shor ( or was it the Greybeards) sent him to aid Hjalti.

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    • I think the Greybeards had called him just after his first shout, which Reman III (as a ghost) tought him supposedly.

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    • No he only got the Amulet of Kings from Reman III's tomb. I think the Underking and/or Greybeards taught him shouts.

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    • never got it from the tomb...he received it in the tomb...but it wasn't there akatosh gave it to hehim, when he was blessedh

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    • and epzo......no one accully says they have evidence he was a nord...............


      he had a nord name but also an imperial and breton...think your facts....

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    • Themecanist wrote: and epzo......no one accully says they have evidence he was a nord...............


      he had a nord name but also an imperial and breton...think your facts....

      He was told it was there and he retrieved it. Second I never said it was fact nor did I say I had evedience. He actually never had a Breton name. He had two Nord names and an Imperial name.

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    • I don't know if this helps or not... but in ESO imperial is not a playable race. In 2E 583 Tamriel is at war trying to gain control over cyrodil. This could be that imperials descended from the nords and/or bretons and that Tiber a nord.

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    • He is officially either a Nord or a Breton.

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    • I tend to think of him as a Nord born in High Rock (as it's perfectly reasonable) since the Septims had deep roots in Skyrim, and if he was a Breton, wouldn't you think the Thalmor might have an out on the whole "Talos is a God" ordeal. They could just say, "It's only his half elven self which allowed him to ascend. But I've never heard of an account saying that Talos was racially an Imperial, only that he was half Imperial, or with that ancestry.

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    • This whole "born in Atmora" stick is so obviously propaganda, since Atmora had at that point been dead for centuries, that IMO it would be silly to take it serious. Thus I concur with the idea that he was Breton. Not even necessarily grown up in Skyrim; though he must have stayed there long enough to study the ways of the thu'um. So, yeah, I think he's a Breton from Alcaire.

      99.73.147.32 wrote:
      I don't know if this helps or not... but in ESO imperial is not a playable race. In 2E 583 Tamriel is at war trying to gain control over cyrodil. This could be that imperials descended from the nords and/or bretons and that Tiber a nord.

      The Imperials are established to consist of Colovians (in the West/North) and Nibenese (in the South/East), both which are descended from the Nedes. Though surely some Nordic blood flows in Cyrodiil as well.

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    • The "born in Atmora" is most definitely confusion (or merger) of Wulfharth of Atmora (the first Ysmir, High-King of Skyrim, Underking, and last Nede to depart Atmora) also a dragonborn (I think) and Talos. Both would collaborate during the conquest of Tamriel, and would be named Ysmir, Dragon of the North. Both are also Shezzarines most likely. In Windhelm, Wulfharth of Atmora is on one of the plaques in TES V: Skyrim. Besides, the confusion was also probably of poetic nature, what sounds better in song and epic poem, origin in a known and visited kingdom, or in a mythical homeland of humanity. In the subsequent debates after Talos had become legend (and since he obviously wasn't born to a family of note and prestige, unless he just decided to suppress accounts of his early life, however difficult that might be) there would be a need to record where he came from, and with two Ysmirs running around, the tie in origin went to the legendary land.

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    • when he said LET ME SHOW THE POWER OF TALOS STORMCROWN BORN OF THE NORTH.... i'll put my money on skyrim.


      though i will concede that the north may be where he BECAME Talos.

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    • Highrock is just as north as Skyrim, justa little more to the west.

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    • in any case, it was just to use that quote, i would name my children let-my-show-you-the-power-of-talos if i could.

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    • The North could also be Talos referring to the Nord people. The Norse, who the Nords are based off of identified themselves as Northmen in relation to other peoples. So "Talos Stormcrown born of the North (the people of the North/Nords). After all, in the Elder Scrolls, between the Bretons, Orsimer (Orcs), and Nords, which race just seems more "North" in terms of temperament?

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    • Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote:
      The North could also be Talos referring to the Nord people. The Norse, who the Nords are based off of identified themselves as Northmen in relation to other peoples. So "Talos Stormcrown born of the North (the people of the North/Nords). After all, in the Elder Scrolls, between the Bretons, Orsimer (Orcs), and Nords, which race just seems more "North" in terms of temperament?

      true, but at the same time "born of the north" could just mean that Skyrim(the north) was where he grew up to become the man he now was.

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    • I think Tarkastio was onto something in his very first post. The post read:


      "I would assume Tiber Septim is an Imperial due to the fact that his grandson, Pelagius Septim, is an Imperial as well, along with all those of his line." 

      Unless I am mistaken, no one corrected Tarkastio.  Pelagius Septim (TIber Septim's grandson) was in fact a Nord, not an Imperial. The Septim lineage did not become mixed (Nord/Imperial) until Pelagius Septim II.  Tiber Septim or Hjalti is infact a Nord that was born in High Rock since his biological grandson was 100% Nord.

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    • 66.31.136.193 wrote:
      Unless I am mistaken, no one corrected Tarkastio.  Pelagius Septim (TIber Septim's grandson) was in fact a Nord, not an Imperial. The Septim lineage did not become mixed (Nord/Imperial) until Pelagius Septim II.  Tiber Septim or Hjalti is infact a Nord that was born in High Rock since his biological grandson was 100% Nord.

      There are no true hybrids in TES. Race is inherited from the mother's side. So, that's not a valid argument.

      As for Pelagius II, he married a Breton, not an Imperial (according to The Wolf Queen). And as for all Septims before him, we do not know their consorts. It seems unlikely to me they all took Nord consorts, though: There are five Emperors before Pelagius II after all, plus Agnorith, Tiber's brother, through which the bloodline goes (after Pelagius I, no Emperor is actually a direct descendant of Tiber). Since we do not know the consorts of any of them, I find it hard to believe that by chance they were all Nords.

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    • Speak to the priest worshiping Talos in Whiterun -  Heimskr - and he flat our says " Talos was a Nord..".

      Case closed!

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    • 66.31.136.193 wrote:
      I think Tarkastio was onto something in his very first post. The post read:

      "I would assume Tiber Septim is an Imperial due to the fact that his grandson, Pelagius Septim, is an Imperial as well, along with all those of his line." 

      Unless I am mistaken, no one corrected Tarkastio.  Pelagius Septim (TIber Septim's grandson) was in fact a Nord, not an Imperial. The Septim lineage did not become mixed (Nord/Imperial) until Pelagius Septim II.  Tiber Septim or Hjalti is infact a Nord that was born in High Rock since his biological grandson was 100% Nord.

      well seeing as Talos bore no children himself, and all the emperors following him were descended from his brother and not him, that was irrelevant.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      66.31.136.193 wrote:
      I think Tarkastio was onto something in his very first post. The post read:

      "I would assume Tiber Septim is an Imperial due to the fact that his grandson, Pelagius Septim, is an Imperial as well, along with all those of his line." 

      Unless I am mistaken, no one corrected Tarkastio.  Pelagius Septim (TIber Septim's grandson) was in fact a Nord, not an Imperial. The Septim lineage did not become mixed (Nord/Imperial) until Pelagius Septim II.  Tiber Septim or Hjalti is infact a Nord that was born in High Rock since his biological grandson was 100% Nord.

      well seeing as Talos bore no children himself, and all the emperors following him were descended from his brother and not him, that was irrelevant.

      The second Emperor, Pelagius I, was his grandson, so this isn't completely correct. But yes, all following Emperors were not of his blood anymore.

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    • Tiber Septim was said to be a Nord born in High Rock, so I think not. 

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    • Talos was a Nord, as said by the priest in Whiterun. He claims to know everything about him, so I believe =) 

      Maybe he was Nord in Race but not born in Skyrim? He affirms that being quite sure of it.

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    • Double posting here, but he does not only says his true nord name, he actually says he was Nord.

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    • I don't know if ALL succeeding emperors were racially Imperial (they most certainly embraced the culture though, which doesn't require racially belonging to it; an example of this is that a couple of Nords in Skyrim have Imperial names). Besides, the family's race could be subject to change over multiple generations.

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    • Actually it would make sence if he was a breton after all he doesnt appear in sovngarde either that or the reason he is not in sovngarde be thaat because he was sent to atherius instead.

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    • There are no true hybrids in TES. Race is inherited from the mother's side. So, that's not a valid argument.

      As for Pelagius II, he married a Breton, not an Imperial (according to The Wolf Queen). And as for all Septims before him, we do not know their consorts. It seems unlikely to me they all took Nord consorts, though: There are five Emperors before Pelagius II after all, plus Agnorith, Tiber's brother, through which the bloodline goes (after Pelagius I, no Emperor is actually a direct descendant of Tiber). Since we do not know the consorts of any of them, I find it hard to believe that by chance they were all Nords.

      What about pelagius the mad he was half altmer and half imperial and his son cassynder septim who was Half imperial, Dunmer, and altmer


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    • "Leading his forces was Hjalti Early-Beard. Hjalti was from the island kingdom of Alcaire, in High Rock, and would become Tiber Septim, the First Emperor of Tamriel." ~ The Arcturian Heresy.

      "The more recently created holidays of High Rock are those like Tibedetha, "Tibers Day," celebrated every 24th of Mid Year in honor of Alcaire's most famous, son, Tiber Septim." ~ Holidays of the Iliac Bay

      "The secondary reason for the lethargy of High Rock had to do with the depth of relations between the province and the Septim Empire. For the first time since the beginning of the Dynasty, an Emperor ruled Tamriel who was neither Breton nor had spent any of his childhood in High Rock." ~ The Fall of the Usurper

      Dovahkiin: Hjalti? Who are you talking about?

      Ghost: You promised me, Hjalti. You promised that when we sacked Hroldan, you would make me your sworn brother. And I've waited. Even after the enemies' arrows dug into my chest and their hammers crushed my bones. I've waited. Give me your sword, Hjalti. That we may become brothers as you promised.

      Dovahkiin: I have Hjalti's sword.

      Ghost: It's been an honor to serve you, brother. Remember our lessons from the sword masters of Alcaire? Let me show you a few things you may have forgotten before we leave Hroldan.

      Eydis: "Hjalti? I've never heard of anyone named Hjalti. Tiber Septim had many names. Maybe that's one of them?"

      While Tiber himself may not have been a Breton, he most certainly came from High Rock, and his brother, and his brother's children, were all either Bretons or also came from Highrock.

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    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZjneISs-vA&list=PL7pGJQV-jlzB-qocScD0wPA5twwi1IM5p

      Just look and listen guys. Tiber Septim was a Nord, raised in Skyrim and he fought for Cuhlecain and became emperor after this one died, murdered by a night blade from High Rock, during the confusion of a fire on the palace. Btw, this lore serie is awesome.

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    • 84.6.26.250 wrote:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZjneISs-vA&list=PL7pGJQV-jlzB-qocScD0wPA5twwi1IM5pJust look and listen guys. Tiber Septim was a Nord, raised in Skyrim and he fought for Cuhlecain and became emperor after this one died, murdered by a night blade from High Rock, during the confusion of a fire on the palace. Btw, this lore serie is awesome.

      You do know Shoddycast are one of the worst sources for TES lore right? They are almost never accurate.

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    • Shoddycast, HAHAHAHA. No.

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    • 84.6.26.250 wrote:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZjneISs-vA&list=PL7pGJQV-jlzB-qocScD0wPA5twwi1IM5p

      Just look and listen guys. Tiber Septim was a Nord, raised in Skyrim and he fought for Cuhlecain and became emperor after this one died, murdered by a night blade from High Rock, during the confusion of a fire on the palace. Btw, this lore serie is awesome.

      HAHAHAHA, shoddycast is decent for begginers, but what he doesn't seem to know is that there is no evidence of Tiber Septim's race, so yeah, he's wrong; his videos often have wrong information in them, and he avoids using things that have little in-game evidence.

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    • Sevonis wrote:
      Tiber Septim, also called Talos or Hjalti, was born in Atmora and therefore is Nedic. By the way ,all human races are descended from Nedes. Allow me to explain.

      1. Atmorans came to Tamriel (Mereth, as they called it, hence the Merethic Era) and reproduced and reproduced and reproduced.

      2. Their many, many children moved to different areas. some slept with the mer races and became Bretons, some moved south and became the Imperials, and the ones that stayed in Skyrim became the Nords. Et cetera. 

      Note: The Redguards are actually from Yokuda, which is gone now. 

      No. Nords =/= Nedes =/= Atmorans.

      1. Nedes

      The ancestors of men all lived in Atmora (except the Redguards).  They slowly started to trickle back to mainland Tamriel over hundreds of years, becoming dispersed, and falling under rulership of the Elves, they were not a united or powerful people.  They moved into modern day Highrock, mingled with the Aldmer living there and became the Bretons.  They moved into modern day Cyrodiil, fell under rulership of the Ayleidoon and became the Cyro-Nedics, or the base of the Imperial race.  These were the Nedes.  They were primitive, lived in small, seperate communities and were not at all powerful.


      2. Atmorans

      The Atmorans are the ancestors of the Nords.  They came as a group, under Ysgramor, and stayed united, conquering themselves a territory - Skyrim.  They DIDN'T fall under Elven ruleship.  They DIDN'T disperse and become seperate communities. They STAYED united.  They OWNED a kingdom. They were powerful and prosperous.


      In regard to the race of Hjalti, since Talos is 3 people and Tiber Septim is 2 I presume we're talking about Hjalti, he is: 

      A) A Nord, who was raised in Skyrim and did some training in Alcaire.

      OR

      B) A Breton who moved to Skyrim in his youth.

      He wasn't from Atmora, that's Imperial bull.

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    • The coming from Atmora is Tiber Septim and Wulfharth of Atmora (Ancient High King of Skyrim, the Underking, author of the Arcturian Heresy, Breath of Kyne, last man to come from Atmora, and known as Ysmir by the Nords before Talos/ Tiber Septim also became Ysmir). Both wielded the thu'um and were known as Ysmir, so the confusion in Talos' origins seem to be more historical confusion and collective amnesia. Since Wulfharth has for the most part been forgotten in Skyrim, I'd say traits of both Tiber Septim and Wulfharth were combined over time. Wulfharth did mention in his book that he tried to not be seen during the Talosian Wars for fear of it seeming that Talos was in more than one place at a time (or being confused with him).

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    • Stuhn wrote:
      Sevonis wrote:
      Tiber Septim, also called Talos or Hjalti, was born in Atmora and therefore is Nedic. By the way ,all human races are descended from Nedes. Allow me to explain.

      1. Atmorans came to Tamriel (Mereth, as they called it, hence the Merethic Era) and reproduced and reproduced and reproduced.

      2. Their many, many children moved to different areas. some slept with the mer races and became Bretons, some moved south and became the Imperials, and the ones that stayed in Skyrim became the Nords. Et cetera. 

      Note: The Redguards are actually from Yokuda, which is gone now. 

      No. Nords =/= Nedes =/= Atmorans.

      1. Nedes

      The ancestors of men all lived in Atmora (except the Redguards).  They slowly started to trickle back to mainland Tamriel over hundreds of years, becoming dispersed, and falling under rulership of the Elves, they were not a united or powerful people.  They moved into modern day Highrock, mingled with the Aldmer living there and became the Bretons.  They moved into modern day Cyrodiil, fell under rulership of the Ayleidoon and became the Cyro-Nedics, or the base of the Imperial race.  These were the Nedes.  They were primitive, lived in small, seperate communities and were not at all powerful.


      2. Atmorans

      The Atmorans are the ancestors of the Nords.  They came as a group, under Ysgramor, and stayed united, conquering themselves a territory - Skyrim.  They DIDN'T fall under Elven ruleship.  They DIDN'T disperse and become seperate communities. They STAYED united.  They OWNED a kingdom. They were powerful and prosperous.


      In regard to the race of Hjalti, since Talos is 3 people and Tiber Septim is 2 I presume we're talking about Hjalti, he is: 

      A) A Nord, who was raised in Skyrim and did some training in Alcaire.

      OR

      B) A Breton who moved to Skyrim in his youth.

      He wasn't from Atmora, that's Imperial bull.

      That mess you wrote was Imperial bull. After Ysgamor fled his homeland of Atmora due to a civil war, they settled in a land that now houses Winterhold and the College of Winterhold. If you did the college of Winterhold Quest, you'd find a book called Night of Tears. Once they settled there, ther were attacked by the Snow Elves that inhabited the area and Ysgamor fled back to Atmora and requested an Army to return with him. They came back and conquered the Elves and settled there once again. Once the war ended, the Five Hundred went their separate ways and founded the human races that you see in the game now. Skyrim wasn't even called Skyrim then, it was called Merth (i'll let you figure out who lived there) Talos, Tiber Septum, whatever he's called, came from Atmora before it became a frozen wasteland. He wasn't the founder of the Nord race since he had no known children, Ysgamor was the founder of the Nord race.

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    • Wulfharth of Atmora was the last Atmoran to come from Atmora. He and Tiber Septim have begun to be fused as Wulfharth has faded/merged with Tiber and Zurin Arctus back into the Lorkhan aspect.

      But isn't the main difference between Atmorans/Nedes/Nords, really just the timeframe, and location one refers to. Really they all seem ethnically similar, kind of like Aylieds, Altmer, (Chimer if you overlook the cultural-religious change), and Aldmer (somewhat).

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    • I believe he's a Nord, simply because of his nordic name, Hjalti Early-Beard.

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    • That doesn't mean anything. Francois Beaufort has a Breton name but is an Imperial. Lucian Lachance also has a Breton name and is an Imperial. The fact that the Lariats are said to be related to Hjalti and his brother and the fact that he was from High Rock points to him being a Breton. It is extremely likely that Hjalti was a Breton/Nord half-breed, with a Nord father and a Breton mother.

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    • Harold, it does mean something. Names like that are not common. Those examples are one in a hundred maybe. It is most likely that he is a nord. Your reason is not more valid than mine, Origin doesn't mean much. But I agree I suspect He is a half breed as well.

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    • Breton, Nord, Imperial. Attempting to prescribe one race to the Many Headed Talos doesn't exactly work so well, considering the Oversoul is constituted by three individuals. Tiber's story is confused enough as it is, from all the Talosian propaganda and confusion deriving from the difficulty of distinguishing the King and the Rebel (for all baring the Observer) leading to Hjalti's and Wulfharth's identities becoming muddied and culminating in the legend of Tiber Septim.

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    • King in the North wrote:
      Breton, Nord, Imperial. Attempting to prescribe one race to the Many Headed Talos doesn't exactly work so well, considering the Oversoul is constituted by three individuals. Tiber's story is confused enough as it is, from all the Talosian propaganda and confusion deriving from the difficulty of distinguishing the King and the Rebel (for all baring the Observer) leading to Hjalti's and Wulfharth's identities becoming muddied and culminating in the legend of Tiber Septim.

      We're not really talking about TALOS we're talking about Tiber septim/Hjalti.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:

      King in the North wrote:
      Breton, Nord, Imperial. Attempting to prescribe one race to the Many Headed Talos doesn't exactly work so well, considering the Oversoul is constituted by three individuals. Tiber's story is confused enough as it is, from all the Talosian propaganda and confusion deriving from the difficulty of distinguishing the King and the Rebel (for all baring the Observer) leading to Hjalti's and Wulfharth's identities becoming muddied and culminating in the legend of Tiber Septim.

      We're not really talking about TALOS we're talking about Tiber septim/Hjalti.

      Indeed, the initial premise of my response did perhaps focus on Talos too much (any reason why you wrote it in capital letters?). In the latter half I did attempt to suggest that the nature of Talos has lead to confusion and muddling of Hjalti's past (along with other factors) with another member of the Enantiomorph in particular, however, leading to Tiber's past being more ambiguous. Hjalti was very likely a Breton, though.

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    • The Nord ghost in the Old Hroldan in grew up with Talos in Alicaire, High Rock, yet the ghost was a Nord, NOT a Breton, just because Hjaltli was born in High Rock really doesn't mean anything either.

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    • it does if Hjalti was a Royal from Alcair, which is what he's supposed to be.

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    • Hjaltli was from Alicaire I'm not denying that, but no where in the Arcturian Heresy or in the common legends of him does it say he was royalty, otherwise why would he go off and serve under the King of Falkreath? All the knowledge about his societal position in Alicaire comes from his ghost comrade at the Old Hroldan Inn, that they trained under the Sword Masters of Alicaire (which really sounds like it's open to any really skilled warriors, which Hjialtli naturally would have been).

      Concerning Hjaltli and his status as royalty, it's far more likely that he became royalty the moment he became emperor.

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote: That doesn't mean anything. Francois Beaufort has a Breton name but is an Imperial. Lucian Lachance also has a Breton name and is an Imperial. The fact that the Lariats are said to be related to Hjalti and his brother and the fact that he was from High Rock points to him being a Breton. It is extremely likely that Hjalti was a Breton/Nord half-breed, with a Nord father and a Breton mother.

      That's not exactly how TES universe works. The reason there are no half-breeds known is because the child always inherits the race of its mother. So if Hjalti had a Nord father and Breton mother, that would make him a pure Breton, not half and half. Although, I believe it's safe to say that Hjalti was either Nord or Breton, (there's a SLIGHT chance he could be Atmoran, but it's unlikely in the extreme) the real question is which one was he?

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    • I believe Tiber Septim was a Nord or Imperial, for the following reasons.

      1. His bravery. Nords are well known for their bravery and courageous in battle, as well as their conquests. This sense also comes from Tiber, as his conquest of Tamriel as a whole is very daring and it would be more Nord-like behaviour, rather than Breton.

      2. Speech. Nords and especially Imperials are known for having a slightly better way with words compared to most of the other current races inhabiting Tamriel. Tiber demonstrated this talent when his conquest reaches Valenwood. Knowing he would never be able to truly conquer Valenwood's untameable nature, he made a deal with the Bosmer and convinced their leader to swear fealty to him, although they would be allowed to stay an independent province.

      3. Weaponry and armour. Tiber is often depicted holding a one-handed sword, as well as what appears to be heavy armour. Both these things are Nordic and Imperial traits, especially the heavy armour when compared to a Breton.

      For these reasons I strongly believe Tiber Septim was an Imperial or Nord. I'm a little on the fence with this one, as to whether he was Nord or Imperial. If there's someone who can confirm he's not Imperial or Nord or have strong evidence he's not, that would pretty much prove him as one or the other.

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    • VanguardSoul wrote:

      Harold Burned-Mane wrote: That doesn't mean anything. Francois Beaufort has a Breton name but is an Imperial. Lucian Lachance also has a Breton name and is an Imperial. The fact that the Lariats are said to be related to Hjalti and his brother and the fact that he was from High Rock points to him being a Breton. It is extremely likely that Hjalti was a Breton/Nord half-breed, with a Nord father and a Breton mother.

      That's not exactly how TES universe works. The reason there are no half-breeds known is because the child always inherits the race of its mother. So if Hjalti had a Nord father and Breton mother, that would make him a pure Breton, not half and half. Although, I believe it's safe to say that Hjalti was either Nord or Breton, (there's a SLIGHT chance he could be Atmoran, but it's unlikely in the extreme) the real question is which one was he?

      No, the child generally takes the race of the mother. There have been cases like that of Pelagius the Mad in which the child takes the race of the father.

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    • DivineTedrius wrote: Harold, it does mean something. Names like that are not common. Those examples are one in a hundred maybe. It is most likely that he is a nord. Your reason is not more valid than mine, Origin doesn't mean much. But I agree I suspect He is a half breed as well.

      Names don't mean anything, there are many cases where an individual has a name that would suggest he was of a different race. Like Bran-Shei, like Aventus Arentino, like Wulf, like the others that I said before, heck there was one character from Morrowind that had a Goblin name. Names don't mean anything when it comes to determining race.

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    • Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote: Hjaltli was from Alicaire I'm not denying that, but no where in the Arcturian Heresy or in the common legends of him does it say he was royalty, otherwise why would he go off and serve under the King of Falkreath? All the knowledge about his societal position in Alicaire comes from his ghost comrade at the Old Hroldan Inn, that they trained under the Sword Masters of Alicaire (which really sounds like it's open to any really skilled warriors, which Hjialtli naturally would have been).

      Concerning Hjaltli and his status as royalty, it's far more likely that he became royalty the moment he became emperor.

      The Lariats from High Rock are said to be related to Tiber and his Brother, which is another thing that points to them being of royal blood.

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    • VanguardSoul wrote: I believe Tiber Septim was a Nord, for the following reasons.

      1. His bravery. Nords are well known for their bravery and courageous in battle. This sense also comes from Tiber, as his conquest of Tamriel as a whole is very daring and it would be more Nord-like behaviour, rather than Breton.

      2. Speech. Nords are also known for having a slightly better way with words compared to most of the other current races inhabiting Tamriel. Tiber demonstrated this talent when his conquest reaches Valenwood. Knowing he would never be able to truly conquer Valenwood's untameable nature, he made a deal with the Bosmer and convinced their leader to swear fealty to him, although they would be allowed to stay an independent province.

      3. Weaponry and armour. Tiber is often depicted holding a one-handed sword, as well as what appears to be heavy armour. Both these things are Nordic traits, especially the heavy armour when compared to a Breton.

      For these reasons I strongly believe Tiber Septim was a Nord. Though, this does not rule out that he could have been an Imperial as Nords and Imperials share many traits. I'm a little on the fence with this one, as to whether he was Nord or Imperial. If there's someone who can confirm he's not Imperial or have strong evidence he's not, that would pretty much solidify him being a Nord.

      2. Bretons are renown for their diplomatic skills, in fact they are know to be the race with the most diplomatic skill. Nords are know to be lacking in this aspect, so this is a point for the Breton theory not the Nord theory.

      3. Nords are known for their exceptional use in Two-Handed Weapons and use of Light Armor. Imperials are the ones that use One-Handed and Heavy Armor very well. So this is not a point for the Nord theory.

      The only thing that points to Tiber Septim being an Imperial is that his grandson and his brother's granddaughter were Imperials. But that is likely due to the fact that he most likely married an Imperial woman, just like why he took the imperial name Tiber Septim. (To be excepted by the Imperials, which is one of the biggest points against him being an Imperial.)

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      VanguardSoul wrote: I believe Tiber Septim was a Nord, for the following reasons.

      1. His bravery. Nords are well known for their bravery and courageous in battle. This sense also comes from Tiber, as his conquest of Tamriel as a whole is very daring and it would be more Nord-like behaviour, rather than Breton.

      2. Speech. Nords are also known for having a slightly better way with words compared to most of the other current races inhabiting Tamriel. Tiber demonstrated this talent when his conquest reaches Valenwood. Knowing he would never be able to truly conquer Valenwood's untameable nature, he made a deal with the Bosmer and convinced their leader to swear fealty to him, although they would be allowed to stay an independent province.

      3. Weaponry and armour. Tiber is often depicted holding a one-handed sword, as well as what appears to be heavy armour. Both these things are Nordic traits, especially the heavy armour when compared to a Breton.

      For these reasons I strongly believe Tiber Septim was a Nord. Though, this does not rule out that he could have been an Imperial as Nords and Imperials share many traits. I'm a little on the fence with this one, as to whether he was Nord or Imperial. If there's someone who can confirm he's not Imperial or have strong evidence he's not, that would pretty much solidify him being a Nord.

      2. Bretons are renown for their diplomatic skills, in fact they are know to be the race with the most diplomatic skill. Nords are know to be lacking in this aspect, so this is a point for the Breton theory not the Nord theory.

      3. Nords are known for their exceptional use in Two-Handed Weapons and use of Light Armor. Imperials are the ones that use One-Handed and Heavy Armor very well. So this is not a point for the Nord theory.

      The only thing that points to Tiber Septim being an Imperial is that his grandson and his brother's granddaughter were Imperials. But that is likely due to the fact that he most likely married an Imperial woman, just like why he took the imperial name Tiber Septim. (To be excepted by the Imperials, which is one of the biggest points against him being an Imperial.)

      When I researched them I got a couple traits mixed up, my bad. But Imperials are also known for diplomatic traits.

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    • Can I bring something completely crazy to the table here? What if Tiber Septim wasn't any of the races mentioned. What if he was either

      A. Some race we don't actually know about yet, or a unique race or

      B. A half-breed, something basically unheard of, but through some mystic fate he's a cross breed of 2 races?

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    • I'm just gonna assume he's an Imperial because of the whole Wulf(http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulf) thing. Seems like an obvious hint to me and the closest thing to proof out there, also it adds up.

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    • Wulf is an avatar of Talos, whom is an Oversoul of Zurin, Wulfharth and Hjalti. Wulf has Wulfharth's name, Zurin's race and Hjalti's appearance.

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    • VanguardSoul wrote:

      Harold Burned-Mane wrote: 2. Bretons are renown for their diplomatic skills, in fact they are know to be the race with the most diplomatic skill. Nords are know to be lacking in this aspect, so this is a point for the Breton theory not the Nord theory.

      3. Nords are known for their exceptional use in Two-Handed Weapons and use of Light Armor. Imperials are the ones that use One-Handed and Heavy Armor very well. So this is not a point for the Nord theory.

      The only thing that points to Tiber Septim being an Imperial is that his grandson and his brother's granddaughter were Imperials. But that is likely due to the fact that he most likely married an Imperial woman, just like why he took the imperial name Tiber Septim. (To be excepted by the Imperials, which is one of the biggest points against him being an Imperial.)

      When I researched them I got a couple traits mixed up, my bad. But Imperials are also known for diplomatic traits.

      But Bretons are the most renown Diplomats in all of Tamriel. The Imperials are maybe the second best at diplomacy but since Skyrim they don't have Speech as one of their main skills so we don't know if they were retconned into not being diplomatic anymore.

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote: Hjaltli was from Alicaire I'm not denying that, but no where in the Arcturian Heresy or in the common legends of him does it say he was royalty, otherwise why would he go off and serve under the King of Falkreath? All the knowledge about his societal position in Alicaire comes from his ghost comrade at the Old Hroldan Inn, that they trained under the Sword Masters of Alicaire (which really sounds like it's open to any really skilled warriors, which Hjialtli naturally would have been).

      Concerning Hjaltli and his status as royalty, it's far more likely that he became royalty the moment he became emperor.

      The Lariats from High Rock are said to be related to Tiber and his Brother, which is another thing that points to them being of royal blood.

      Just because the family is of high status AFTER the Talosian conqests does not mean they had that high status before the emergence of Talos, logically a conqueror would elevate as many allies and family relations to positions of power and privilege to better cement their line's power in the long run (proof Tiber Septim exercised this behavior is in the Numidium being turned against the dynasties of Cyrodil after the fall of the Aldmeri Dominion).

      As for none of the Emperors inheriting the race of an elven mother that might have just been divine interference (considering an elvish emperor would live obscenely long, and Talos the god is Lorkhan reassembled).

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    • 96.26.227.138 wrote:
      Stuhn wrote:
      Sevonis wrote:
      Tiber Septim, also called Talos or Hjalti, was born in Atmora and therefore is Nedic. By the way ,all human races are descended from Nedes. Allow me to explain.

      1. Atmorans came to Tamriel (Mereth, as they called it, hence the Merethic Era) and reproduced and reproduced and reproduced.

      2. Their many, many children moved to different areas. some slept with the mer races and became Bretons, some moved south and became the Imperials, and the ones that stayed in Skyrim became the Nords. Et cetera. 

      Note: The Redguards are actually from Yokuda, which is gone now. 

      No. Nords =/= Nedes =/= Atmorans.

      1. Nedes

      The ancestors of men all lived in Atmora (except the Redguards).  They slowly started to trickle back to mainland Tamriel over hundreds of years, becoming dispersed, and falling under rulership of the Elves, they were not a united or powerful people.  They moved into modern day Highrock, mingled with the Aldmer living there and became the Bretons.  They moved into modern day Cyrodiil, fell under rulership of the Ayleidoon and became the Cyro-Nedics, or the base of the Imperial race.  These were the Nedes.  They were primitive, lived in small, seperate communities and were not at all powerful.


      2. Atmorans

      The Atmorans are the ancestors of the Nords.  They came as a group, under Ysgramor, and stayed united, conquering themselves a territory - Skyrim.  They DIDN'T fall under Elven ruleship.  They DIDN'T disperse and become seperate communities. They STAYED united.  They OWNED a kingdom. They were powerful and prosperous.


      In regard to the race of Hjalti, since Talos is 3 people and Tiber Septim is 2 I presume we're talking about Hjalti, he is: 

      A) A Nord, who was raised in Skyrim and did some training in Alcaire.

      OR

      B) A Breton who moved to Skyrim in his youth.

      He wasn't from Atmora, that's Imperial bull.

      That mess you wrote was Imperial bull. After Ysgamor fled his homeland of Atmora due to a civil war, they settled in a land that now houses Winterhold and the College of Winterhold. If you did the college of Winterhold Quest, you'd find a book called Night of Tears. Once they settled there, ther were attacked by the Snow Elves that inhabited the area and Ysgamor fled back to Atmora and requested an Army to return with him. They came back and conquered the Elves and settled there once again. Once the war ended, the Five Hundred went their separate ways and founded the human races that you see in the game now. Skyrim wasn't even called Skyrim then, it was called Merth (i'll let you figure out who lived there) Talos, Tiber Septum, whatever he's called, came from Atmora before it became a frozen wasteland. He wasn't the founder of the Nord race since he had no known children, Ysgamor was the founder of the Nord race.

      First off, I never said Tiber was the 'founder' of the Nordic race. I am well aware it was Ysgramor.

      Secondly, where does it ever say the 500 split and became the seperate races? There are stories of the early Nords finding Bretons and mistaking them for elves.

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      DivineTedrius wrote: Harold, it does mean something. Names like that are not common. Those examples are one in a hundred maybe. It is most likely that he is a nord. Your reason is not more valid than mine, Origin doesn't mean much. But I agree I suspect He is a half breed as well.

      Names don't mean anything, there are many cases where an individual has a name that would suggest he was of a different race. Like Brand-Shei, like Aventus Aretino, like Wulf, like the others that I said before, heck there was one character from Morrowind that had a Goblin name. Names don't mean anything when it comes to determining race.


      Yes it does. Repeating your own argument doesn't get you anywhere. While I agree there are exceptions, those are, as I said previously, rare, compared to the "lore accurate" names. And how can origin be anymore valid than names? That's almost contradicting yourself.

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    • Stuhn wrote: First off, I never said Tiber was the 'founder' of the Nordic race. I am well aware it was Ysgramor.

      Secondly, where does it ever say the 500 split and became the seperate races? There are stories of the early Nords finding Bretons and mistaking them for elves.

      After the Circle of Captains was formed their split up and each ship captain led his crew somewhere else. Some travelled to Cyrodiil and later became the Nedes.

      Some went to High Rock and became the Bretons after crossbreeding with the local elves.

      The ones that stayed in Skyrim became the Nords.

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    • DivineTedrius wrote: Yes it does. Repeating your own argument doesn't get you anywhere. While I agree there are exceptions, those are, as I said previously, rare, compared to the "lore accurate" names. And how can origin be anymore valid than names? That's almost contradicting yourself.

      This is the same as the Interbreeding in TES. There is a general rule, but there are obvious exceptions. The naming conventions for each race exist but just because a person has a name of a race doesn't mean they are of that race.

      Things that point to Hjalti being a Nord, his name.

      Things that point to Hjalti being a Breton, his birth place and his family relatives. The Lariat family is a relative of Hjalti's family, and they are a Noble family from High Rock.

      The most accurate prediction is that Hjalti's father was a Nord, because of his birth name, and his mother was a Breton (most likely from the Lariat family), because of his nobility and family relations and birthplace. Though following the rule of interbreeding in TES that would make Hjalti a Breton, not a Nord. Since the child generally is the race of the mother.

      Though we can only assume, since there is no solid evidence of his race and Bethesda will likely never state what it is.

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    • Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote: Just because the family is of high status AFTER the Talosian conqests does not mean they had that high status before the emergence of Talos, logically a conqueror would elevate as many allies and family relations to positions of power and privilege to better cement their line's power in the long run (proof Tiber Septim exercised this behavior is in the Numidium being turned against the dynasties of Cyrodil after the fall of the Aldmeri Dominion).

      As for none of the Emperors inheriting the race of an elven mother that might have just been divine interference (considering an elvish emperor would live obscenely long, and Talos the god is Lorkhan reassembled).

      The Lariats were noble before Talos' conquest of Tamriel. They are said to be related to Hjalti's family, which would make Hjalti a Noble as well.

      There were Elven Emperors, namely Katariah. Her children were dunmer, like her. Pelagius was the one that didn't inherit his mother's race, as he was more human than elf (as shown in Skyrim). There were no other instances of Elven interbreeding with the Septim Bloodline.

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    • 186.215.22.127 wrote:
      The lore tells he is born at Alcaire, that is located at Hight Rock...

      High Rock is not solely inhabited by Bretons just as skyrim or cyrodill are not inhabited solely by nords or imperials respectively

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    • Shalidors insights wrote:
      186.215.22.127 wrote:
      The lore tells he is born at Alcaire, that is located at Hight Rock...
      High Rock is not solely inhabited by Bretons just as skyrim or cyrodill are not inhabited solely by nords or imperials respectively

      Of course, that's the reason this is a question. If only bretons came from Highrock then it would be a fact that Hjalti is Breton, but it's not a fact, so we can only speculate.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:

      Shalidors insights wrote:
      186.215.22.127 wrote:
      The lore tells he is born at Alcaire, that is located at Hight Rock...
      High Rock is not solely inhabited by Bretons just as skyrim or cyrodill are not inhabited solely by nords or imperials respectively

      Of course, that's the reason this is a question. If only bretons came from Highrock then it would be a fact that Hjalti is Breton, but it's not a fact, so we can only speculate.

      Yes, but because of the fact that he and his brother are supposedly related to the Lariat family then he would be part Breton at the least. Since all the only Noble family from High Rock that aren't Bretons are the Direnni Family.

      I guess the only thing that everyone can agree on is that he isn't Atmoran, since that would be impossible since the last Atmoran came to Tamriel in the 1st Era and Atmora froze over after that, meaning that it was inhospitable. So the Underking was right in claiming bull on the whole Atmoran thing.

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      I guess the only thing that everyone can agree on is that he isn't Atmoran

      I wish, some people just wont let it go no matter how much proof is thrown at them.

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    • Well, the Underking can claim bull because HE was the one who was the last Atmoran to come over (as Wulfharth).

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    • The Underking isn't necessarily an Atmoran, since he isn't just Wulfharth. He is an oversoul of Wulfharth and Zurin. And since it was never explained what race an oversoul becomes he would either be an Imperial or an Atmoran or an Imperial-Atmoran.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:

      Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      I guess the only thing that everyone can agree on is that he isn't Atmoran

      I wish, some people just wont let it go no matter how much proof is thrown at them.

      Really? Well I guess some people are stupid and/or stuborn. But there also are people that believe Talos isn't a god.

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      Pink Slim wrote:

      Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      I guess the only thing that everyone can agree on is that he isn't Atmoran

      I wish, some people just wont let it go no matter how much proof is thrown at them.
      Really? Well I guess some people are stupid and/or stuborn. But there also are people that believe Talos isn't a god.

      Harold I suggest you don't get into that argument.It could get ugly

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    • Which one? The one about Talos or stupid/stubborn people?

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    • In game, many people say he was a nord.

      Talk to Heimskr. (If you haven't killed him yet, man he's annoying!)

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    • He is a Nord! Raised in Skyrim! You really think the Nords would worhsip a man not of their own blood? 

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    • 50.204.8.129 wrote: He is a Nord! Raised in Skyrim! You really think the Nords would worhsip a man not of their own blood? 

      Born in High Rock. So Nord? Breton? Really no one knows.

      Also, the Nords worship him because all of Man does. He is the hero of Man and he mantled Lorkhan who is Shor who is the creator of Man. So he's practically their chief deity at this point. Bretons, Imperial, and Imperialized Redguard all worship him.

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      Pink Slim wrote:

      Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      I guess the only thing that everyone can agree on is that he isn't Atmoran

      I wish, some people just wont let it go no matter how much proof is thrown at them.

      Really? Well I guess some people are stupid and/or stuborn. But there also are people that believe Talos isn't a god.

      Not even the Thalmor believe he isn't a god. Talos achieved divinity. There is absolutely no way anyone can deny that.

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    • As far as I know he should be an Atmoran the wiki says he was born there.

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    • If the Wiki says that then it's wrong. He was born in High Rock.

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    • According to the faith of the Nine Divines he was born in Atmora. According to the Underking he was born in Alcaire, High Rock. The Underking's claim is more likely since the last Atmoran to come to Tamriel was Wulfharth, who came to Tamriel in the 1st Era.

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    • Tiber Septim's birthplace is sometimes erroneously named as Atmora, mostly due to his story being amalgamated with Wulfharth (the Underking). This also seems to be similar to some theories about mythical heroes simply being overly embellished, or amalgams of more than one individual.

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    • First and foremost, I want to clear up a few points concerning Tiber Septim's origins. Firstly, he was not an Atmoran as the Nords of Skyrim claim. Atmora by the early years of the First Era had froze far beyond habitable conditions. Additionally, he was not a Nede. During the First Era, the Nedes as a whole continued to shrink as a race due to various events in that time, most notably the Redguards of Yokuda invading Hammerfell and the Alik'r Desert who annihilated the last of the Nedes who lived there. They have long since gone extinct as a singular and distinct ethnicity and culture. However, their bloodlines continue to run through their primary descendants, the Imperials. Given the strongest pieces of information we have remaining, he was certainly descended from either the Bretons, Nords, Imperials, or a mix of the three in some form or another.

      While it's certainly true that Tiber Septim, originally named Hjalti Early-Beard, was born in Alcaire, High Rock, he was indeed raised and trained as a warrior in Skyrim. Given that his birth name has Nordic origins, it's quite possible that he was born into a family with some form of Nordic ancestry. However, one should also remember that half-breeds are quite common outside of their native province. Therefore, it's also possible that Hjalti could've been a half-breed consisting of a mix of Breton, Nord, and Imperial ancestry.

      A very interesting point to note is that Kyne, or Kynareth in the Empire, actually refers to Tiber Septim as 'manmer' which is a very common nickname given to the Breton race, who are a mix of both Man and Mer, with Man being more prominent. Given this strong source of infomation from the Mother of Men herself, Tiber may actually be a Breton, but we still need more information to support his origins.

      Concerning Tiber Septim's appearance, we know that he had light skin and brown hair in his younger years, then white hair in his elder years. Considering the fact that Tiber Septim did not have blonde hair according to any records of his appearance that I found, I do not believe that he was a pure-bred Nord. More so, his light skin in most cases would not be considered dark enough to be a pure-bred Imperial, who's darker skin tone is only bested by the Redguards. Since Bretons are generally pictured with brown hair and light skin similar to a Nord's skin tone, there is a good chance that Tiber Septim was indeed primarily, perhaps not fully, of Breton ancestry.

      More so, a detailed account of his appearance mentions him, how he was "Nothing like the grim, grey, giant warrior she'd pictured. He was of average height." This suggests against the claim that Tiber Septim was a Nord or Atmoran because, in general, Nords are pictured and known for having large muscular frames, and being amongst, if not the tallest race of Men. Considering that the account details Tiber Septim of being average height, he most likely possessed the build and height depicting a Breton.

      Given the vast amount of claims depicting him as an Imperial and Nord, I can say with near certainty that there was a large amount of interbreeding between the race of Nords, Bretons, and Imperials in his ancestry. His offspring likely interbred with Imperials, giving them an Imperial appearance. As for his ancestors, his family likely had Nordic and Breton half breeds considering Tiber Septim's original name of Hjalti Early-Beard, which sound distinctly Nordic. This implies that one of his parents was of Nordic descent, most likely on his father's side due to his appearance, once again, suggesting against his pure-bred Nordic origins as the citizens of Skyrim claim. Additionally, it was almost certainly on his father's side because it is indeed confirmed that when two people of different ethniticies, either in Tamriel or real life have a child, the child will always favor the overall appearance of the mother. There are indeed some traces of the father's appearance, but the mother is pre-dominant in determining this feature.

      Additionally, looking at the Septim Dynasty's genealogical tree, it is shown that the beginning of the tree does indeed stem from Breton noblemen and the Altmer Direnni Clan, also showing that Tiber Septim is indeed shown within this tree, proving his Breton ancestral ties, whether they are half-breed or not. Putting all of this information together, I can say with near-certainty that Tiber Septim was indeed a Breton who's ancestry involved both Nordic and Imperial blood at some point, thus supporting both his distinct Nordic birth-name and strong Imperial ties, along with his genealogical tree and birthplace of Alcaire, High Rock also supporting his strong Breton ties.

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    • That was very well put together, but you're missing the part that makes Talos so unique. Tiber Sptim was an oversoul of two people which included Zurin, who was indeed Imperial. We often use Hjalti as the main person who was Tibet and who is now Talos, but that leaves out the importance of Zuri and Wulfharth. So to the question of was he Nord, Breton, or Imperial, we can simple say, "yes."

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    • 98.202.92.208 wrote: That was very well put together, but you're missing the part that makes Talos so unique. Tiber Sptim was an oversoul of two people which included Zurin, who was indeed Imperial. We often use Hjalti as the main person who was Tibet and who is now Talos, but that leaves out the importance of Zuri and Wulfharth. So to the question of was he Nord, Breton, or Imperial, we can simple say, "yes."

      If he's Breton, that would mean he's part elf. ;)

      Take that Thalmor!

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    • 98.202.92.208 wrote:
      That was very well put together, but you're missing the part that makes Talos so unique. Tiber Sptim was an oversoul of two people which included Zurin, who was indeed Imperial. We often use Hjalti as the main person who was Tibet and who is now Talos, but that leaves out the importance of Zuri and Wulfharth. So to the question of was he Nord, Breton, or Imperial, we can simple say, "yes."

      Being the oversoul of two people, those two particular individuals could thus explain Tiber Septim's Imperial and Nordic ancestral ties.

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    • Dapoculos13 wrote:
      98.202.92.208 wrote:
      That was very well put together, but you're missing the part that makes Talos so unique. Tiber Sptim was an oversoul of two people which included Zurin, who was indeed Imperial. We often use Hjalti as the main person who was Tibet and who is now Talos, but that leaves out the importance of Zuri and Wulfharth. So to the question of was he Nord, Breton, or Imperial, we can simple say, "yes."
      Being the oversoul of two people, those two particular individuals could thus explain Tiber Septim's Imperial and Nordic ancestral ties.

      Well the thing is, we're talking about Tiber Septim/Hjalti Early-Beard the Man, not Talos the Divine. Oh, and here's something else that's interesting that also supports Tiber Septim's Breton ancestry. In the description detailing Tiber Septim's physical appearance in the book 'The Real Barenziah, Book III' in Skyrim, it also mentions that "he was well-knit of figure and lithe of movement." Well-knit means that his physical build was solid, fair, and strong enough to lend itself to Tiber Septim, allowing him to fight as an acceptable warrior, many of which exist in High Rock as excellent battlemages. Many Bretons tend to use full plate armour and a sword in one hand, while wielding a powerful Destruction spell in the other hand. This is even supported by the possibility of having a rogue Breton attack you in Skyrim as a random event.

      As if that's not enough, it says he was "lithe of movement." as stated earlier. Lithe is an alternate word for 'agile', and as many of us know, the races of Mer posess slender and agile frames, as do the Bretons to a lesser extent. This is in high contrast to the muscular, tall, and thick depiction of an average Nord warrior raised in Skyrim. Some could argue that Tiber Septim couldn't have been a Breton because he's Dragonborn, and the Dragonborn are primarily known for being of Nordic descent in the lore. While this does bring up an excellent point, it's not entirely true. While many Dragonborn have, according to official lore and canon, been confirmed as Nords/Atmorans, there are also a select amount of, presumabely, Imperial/Nedic humans in the series that were noted to either be gifted with Dragon's blood like St. Alessia, or have it at birth like Tiber Septim. Coupled with the fact that you're able to play as any race in Skyrim yet still use the voice, this implies that any individual, with enough practice and proper learning, can use the Thu'um.

      Some could also argue that Tiber Septim couldn't have been a Breton because we don't have any solid evidence or accounts of him using Magic, apart from the Thu'um, which is technically a type of Magic. However, as some of us will know, the Imperial Legion is, according to lore, known for making extensive use of Restoration spells and Alchemy to heal their soldiers on the battlefield in times of need. Is it so hard to believe that Tiber Septim himself would have practiced this school of Magic, or tried his hand at Alchemy once in his life? After all, the Imperial race in Skyrim start off with a Restoration skill of 25. While they may not have a boost in Alchemy for reasons unknown, their large boost in Restoration speaks for itself if you ask me. Besides, I imagine Tiber Septim would have had to make use of Restoration Magic or a Healing Potion after his neck was cut during the attempt on his life, lest he bleed out from the jugular vein.

      As a final note, Tiber Septim was known as a highly intelligent military tactician, intelligence being a very distinctive feature of the Elves, and the Bretons as well. Judging by the sheer speed in which he managed to gain control of the continent, and the sheer success he had in doing so, Tiber Septim fits into just about every criteria that Dapoculos and I mentioned in our posts that would make up the traits, gifts, and overall characteristics of a Breton. I hereby rest my case, and I can say with definitive proof, after literally researching this subject for hours on end, that Tiber Septim was a Breton, containing Nordic blood ties in his ancestors, and Imperial blood ties in his offspring and kin that would carry his surname.

      Tiber Septim was a Breton.

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    • There is a theory that he was breton, atmoran and nord and this is as follows. Hjalti was a Breton military leader the details on that aren't signifigant. Hjalti then shouted down a wall of old Hldron, despite Wulfharth stating that, Hjalti wasn't a tongue. So it is believed that Talos Stormcrown is rather the conjunction of the two perhaps in the same body ultizing a process called the enantiomorph. Talos later went on and utilized a similar process on zurin arctus. "And Talos said to the Arctus, "Let us join as one to fortify this throne, this land, these people, each one glorious under heaven!" Whether these words are literal or not isn't sure but after this he becomes Emperor Tiber Septim, (which translates to Dragon of the North, a name originally synonyms with king Wulfharth). The 36 lessons of Vivec reference to at least being a combination of two people calling him the two headed king. This is detailed in the wiki page (Shezzarine) after the heading, Shezzarine oversouls

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    • According to the theories I believe, and IMO the one which makes the biggest sense, Tiber Septim was actually two people, the imperial battlemage Zurin Arctus and the warrior Hjalti Early-Beard. Hjalti very much lacked political knowledge and a strategical mind, he was simply a soldier. Though we know that "Tiber Septim" was very good at politics, which shows Tiber Septim's Zurin Arctus part. Therefore Tiber Septim is "both" an imperial (Zurin Arctus) and Breton (Hjalti Early-Beard). The whole Atmoran thing is most possibly ALSO true, because after becoming Talos (which is an Oversoul including Wulfharth) we know that he pretty much used CHIM to change Cyrodiil to a land which consists of meadows and steppes from a jungle. I think he might have used CHIM again to make himself an Atmoran (Just like how Vivec most possibly used CHIM to change the whole reality about him killing Nerevar to a reality in which Nerevar was injured by Dagoth and died from bleeding/killed by Lorkhan.)

      Or it might just be because Wulfharth was an Atmoran and also a part of the oversoul of Talos. But he was not a part of Tiber Septim as he was sent to fight in Skyrim at these times and as Tiber Septim is also told to be Atmoran, I think it is rather just because of Tiber Septim using CHIM, to make himself (This is most possibly Hjalti's doing because he probably hated his race, a half-elf half-human hybrid, judging from his personality) an ideal warrior idol.

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    • ^Adding to that, about the whole oversoul thing, it might look confusing at first but it is very much like this:

      There are three people:



      -Hjalti Early-beard (Breton) - A soldier, WAS DRAGONBORN, no political knowledge.

      -Zurin Arctus (Imperial) - A mage, Political knowledge, probably WAS NOT DRAGONBORN.

      -Wulfharth (Atmoran) - A king, WAS NOT DRAGONBORN (Balgruuf lists him as one but in actuality and according to Arcturian Heresy, he was not. He even though he himself was called by the Greybeards and climbed to High Hrothgar when in actuality it was Hjalti who they called. Therefore they shouted Wulfharth apart)



      Ysmir: Now, we have Ysmir firstly. Also called General Talos or Talos Stormcrown (Not to be mistaken for Talos, which is a god), he was an oversoul created from Hjalti and Wulfharth. They together could become a very strong force which could easily conquer in fights.

      Tiber Septim: After Ysmir, Hjalti returned to Cyrodiil and sent Wulfharth to fight on his own. There as an emperor, his advisor Zurin Arctus helped him a lot to shape the Empire he created. Tiber Septim is both of these guys. It is not known if the two was physically one though, so Tiber Septim statues might be depicting Hjalti.

      Underking: This is an oversoul consisting of Zurin Arctus and Wulfharth. When Wulfharth returned from fighting, Hjalti had prepared kind of a trap for him. He trapped his soul and did this also killing Zurin Arctus in the process or something like that (Sorry, I can't remember that part rn.) Both of their souls became one to fuel an artifact like thing named Mantella (You can think of it as a soulgem) which was used to make Numidium work.

      Talos: After all the events with Numidium, Underking and stuff, all of these three (Hjalti, Wulfharth, Zurin) become an oversoul and a "god". The god thing is of course, a conflicted belief, and it might simply be a very powerful oversoul. We already know that Tiber Septim and therefore most possibly also Talos could use CHIM soo...

      If you are a bit into TES lore, you'll notice what is shown to you is generally just a facade and you actually have to dig up books and even sometimes out of game infos (Especially from Michael Kirkbride) to reach the actual knowledge about the lore. The games (excluding the books in them) are generally just the tip of an iceberg about TES lore and even a lot of that is just false history taught to the people of Tamriel. The threads on reddit helps a lot about building the core of the lore but even then most of the things about the lore are theories and people generally try to pick and follow the one that makes the most sense. I also suggest reading the UESP, it helps a lot.

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    • It's easy for people to think that he was Atmoran but also for him not being from Atmora, but perhaps Atmoran

      Roscrea is an island in the sea of ghosts - between Atmora and Skyrim, Uriel V led an expedition there and conquered it, people there spoke ancient nordic and were 7 feet tall - atmorans are described as much taller than Nords. It also didn't froze like Atmora did. So if Talos was born there, and then came to Skyrim, people could easily think he was from Atmora, as he came from the north, was taller and spoke the ancient language. I also believe that Roscrea wasn't discovered before Uriel's conquest. 

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    • Tarkastio wrote:

      I do not believe Tiber Septim is an Altmer (Is that not what you mean by Atmoran?) as his aspect, Wulf, is an Imperial as I mentioned before. Besides, why would the Altmer outlaw the worship a god of their own kin and blood?

      Atmora is a land far to the north of tamriel. The demonyn for whish is, i assume, Atmoran. So no he wasnt refering to the Altmer

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    • I Think Its quite Obvious ...Tibre Septim is an Argonian, Only Joking

      Id say its about opinion and what you feel he should be Bethes is good at letting you decide the finer print of lore and history they duely set you on the path and give you the control of the final piece to the puzzle.

      You have 3 possible outcomes

      1 Nord  2 Imperial 3 A Mix

      With all info thats available atm and historic events id go with Nord

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    • Tarkastio wrote:
      Tiber Septim is, according to much of Tamriel, Talos. How he became a god, and if Talos is actually Tiber Septim, is a matter of much debate and speculation. This is yet another subject where I must assume Bethesda left the judgement up to the player.

      I do not believe Tiber Septim is an Altmer (Is that not what you mean by Atmoran?) as his aspect, Wulf, is an Imperial as I mentioned before. Besides, why would the Altmer outlaw the worship a god of their own kin and blood?

      Again, it is not unlikely that this is yet another subject that Bethesda leaves to the player to decide what to believe.

      I'm fairly certain whan he sait Altmoran he ment Atmoran. I know where he is coming from with that as he was the last person known to come from Atmora. BUT from what i know is that he was born in a place in High Rock (cant remember the exact place off the top off my head). That in itself doesnt nessecarily mean he is a Breton though. He might have been an from an Atmoran family who migrated to High Rock. Tiber then traveled to Atmora for unkwown reasons (maybe wanted to visit his ancestral homeland?) and then returned to Tamriel later.

      The thing that peevs me the most is that he was the first emporer of the Septim dynasty, one of the greatest conquerors Tamriel's ever seen, and a man who literally ascended to become a god yet there is we know hardly anything about his early life. You would think that maybe  some fricking scribe or something would have thought it was a good idea to record some information about him, like who his mom and dad were.

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