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  • Don't be deceived by their disturbingly reassuring voices, these elves are powerful psychos who will do whatever it takes to vanquish tamriel of talos worship.

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    • Everytime I meet them on the road with a prisoner, I wipe em out and free the prisoner. Thalmor just disgust me... 

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    • I do love those robes, though.  I make a point on every mage-like character to get a set of those clothes.

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    • Pretty simple, High Elves by themselves are a bit haughty but they are just another species trying to survive. The Thalmor are an evil political party... Like the Nazis.

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    • I see them more like Stalin's group of fascists than Hitler's...but either way good reference and good point.  Much like the square is to the rectangle:  All Thalmor are High Elves, but not all High Elves are Thalmor.

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    • PsijicThief said it perfectly. My lore family is all Bosmer and wheneverI tell my friends that, they assume I'm one of those disgusting Thalmor douchebags. The Bosmer and Khajit may be part of the Aldmeri Dominion, but I'm positive that neither of the two races have any wish to be a part of the Thalmor.

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    • Damn straight. I've made it my personal duty to wipe out any Thalmor justiciars that I come across on my travels. And, Meridia help me, it felt damn good to put those pointy-eared pricks to the sword.

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    • PsijicThief wrote: I see them more like Stalin's group of fascists than Hitler's...but either way good reference and good point.  Much like the square is to the rectangle:  All Thalmor are High Elves, but not all High Elves are Thalmor.

      I agree except Stalin was a communist dictator, so the opposite of fascists politically but the same kind of cruel in reality.

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    • I know this is neither the time nor the place, but communism and fascism aren't truly polar opposites.  You have to think of the political scale as more of a horseshoe shape than a straight line.  They're on opposing ends of the horseshoe, but they share a number of base ideals (however wrong they may have been at the time). 

      At any rate...even when I play on an Altmer I usually end up despising the Thalmor and killing as many off as possible.

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    • I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor, and will stop at nothing to intercept the thalmor and kill all who represent them. I spent ages trying to use klimmek's supplies to get back into the embassy and kill elenwen after the main quest.

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    • I totally agree, the Thalmor are truly the epitome of the most (rant immenint) power hungry, racist, haughty, genocidal, power abusing, freaks I've known. Why my most recent Dragonborn a Valdak Shadewalker was just running by them off to a quest and a female Thalmor and her group said I was interfering with their business! My butt all I did was run by and later they sent justicators to try and kill ME! Fools all of them I normally kill them anyway but it seems they always have to push me/my avatar to slaughtering them all while reveling in the knowing I've killed something that brandishes and abuses the power it gained by force. I do hope 1 or 2 final DLC come for Skyrim so we all can destroy them for good! That'll be a day to remember. Dreamgamer2790 (talk) 18:55, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

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    • My Altmer mage's headcanon is that both of her parents were Thalmor, and that she herself was being groomed to be a Justiciar one day.  She never really thought much about the ramifications until one year where she had been studying abroad at Falinesti in Valenwood, and she was unknowingly caught in the middle of one of the Thalmor's purges.  In a blind panic, she killed members of both sides, and did not know those members included Thalmor troops until after they were all dead.  Fearing retribution, she fled Valenwood, and continued through Cyrodiil and eventually to Skyrim.

      I like to think that while my Altmer is still as haughty as ever (I mean, they're called High Elves for a reason; I just think the Thalmor don't even bother trying to hide it), she is still paranoid about that day.  She has this "no-one-may-ever-know" attitude when she so much as crosses paths with any Thalmor, and opens fire without any second thoughts.  It doesn't help that she's already killed Ancano and made Elenwen look like a fool—twice.  It's why she uses strictly lightning-based attacks: not only is it good against those damned elves, but no other kind of spell is quicker at blasting them into ash.

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    • Spiegel1 wrote:
      My Altmer mage's headcanon is that both of her parents were Thalmor, and that she herself was being groomed to be a Justiciar one day.  She never really thought much about the ramifications until one year where...

      I love it!  This is a great background, and wonderfully thought out.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      I know this is neither the time nor the place, but communism and fascism aren't truly polar opposites.  You have to think of the political scale as more of a horseshoe shape than a straight line.  They're on opposing ends of the horseshoe, but they share a number of base ideals (however wrong they may have been at the time). 

      At any rate...even when I play on an Altmer I usually end up despising the Thalmor and killing as many off as possible.

      Actually, the two major axes for political thought would be rationalization vs emotional and the other axis would be absolute freedom to worship of the state.  A bit of examination shows the Nazi's appealed to emotion (Fatherland, lebensraum, religion, pride in Aryan history) while the communists rationalize their state (dialetical materialism, atheism, reeducation of those who disagree).  Therefore they bind on the state axis but depart from each other radically on the rationalization/emotional axis.  You can pick other definitions for the axes, but any meaningful one will separate communists and facists on at least one axis.  For example, they would be as far apart as possible in corporate control of the state vs state control of corporations. 

      And yes, the thalmor exist to be totally annoying.  Just wear an anulet of talos and they'll attack you on sight, giving you an excellent excuse to kill all of them with little comeback from the guards.

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    • Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor, and will stop at nothing to intercept the thalmor and kill all who represent them. I spent ages trying to use klimmek's supplies to get back into the embassy and kill elenwen after the main quest.

      Just about 2 days ago I finally killed Elenwen! The thing is, after her last interactions she loses her essentiallity, and guess where she hides, the Thalmor Embassy. Though it may be locked from only the front, you can get to the back.

      Walkthrough:

      Step 1: Get a horse. Buy one, steal one, earn one, just get one.

      Step 2: Fast travel to the Embassy. Make sure if the horse is stolen so it doesn't walk away, unlock the gate.

      Step 3: Ride the horse. Manage to get over the left side of the Embassy. You will find yourself behind the wall. 

      Step 4: On the back half of the Embassy, there will be 2 unlocked doors on the left and right. NOTE: There are gaurds behing the wall.

      Step 5: Once you're inside, go to a bed, and if at the right time (1:00AM - 7:00AM works best) you will find Elenwen sleeping. If you talk to her, surprisingly, she will not be hostile. There are no more gaurds so she will be the only one there.

      Step 6: KILL HER IN COLD BLOOD.

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      I love killing the randomly encountered Thalmor members. Especially love killing the ones at the Embassy. >:D

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    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor...
      Just about 2 days ago I finally killed Elenwen! The thing is, after her last interactions she loses her essentiallity, and guess where she hides, the Thalmor Embassy. Though it may be locked from only the front...

      *sharpens axe* She's as good as dead.

      PS: Do you know what you should have done when you killed Elenwen (I assume you did kill that supremacist bitch)? Left an amulet of Talos on her corpse as a sort of calling card. That would've made it about 20% cooler (props if you get the reference)!

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    • I doubt that Bethesda will have us wipe out them completely, perhaps at least in Skyrim, but I predict that the Thalmor will continue to play an antogonistic role in the series yet to come


      Though, it would be nice to have an entire questline devoted to messing with them 

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    • Sgt. S.S. wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor...
      Just about 2 days ago I finally killed Elenwen! The thing is, after her last interactions she loses her essentiallity, and guess where she hides, the Thalmor Embassy. Though it may be locked from only the front...
      *sharpens axe* She's as good as dead...

      So the MLP refrence mixed with the -20% duration? I guess so. Lol

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
       All Thalmor are High Elves, but not all High Elves are Thalmor.

      Exactly, My own High Elf has a head cannon of an outcast hunting down Thalmor Officials after a run in with the Thalmor, He's in Skyrim because Elewen is the most remote Emissary.(I read somewhere that you can kill her after Season Unending).

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    • 86.151.168.211 wrote:
      Don't be deceived by their disturbingly reassuring voices, these elves are powerful psychos who will do whatever it takes to vanquish tamriel of talos worship.

      I too free every prisoner I see that the Thalmor are taking to their embassy, but I have also slipped into their respective embassy guard barracks and slit their throats while they slept. heh,heh,heh...

      I also go to Solitude and Markarth to assassinate their entourages that they have stationed in those cities but I must kill the leggates as well or my bounty raises too quickly and I will be rushed by the city's guards and my bounty will be over 10,000 because I left a witness alive. 

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    • Prometheus1960 wrote:
      86.151.168.211 wrote:
      Don't be deceived by their disturbingly reassuring voices, these elves are powerful psychos who will do whatever it takes to vanquish tamriel of talos worship.
      I too free every prisoner I see that the Thalmor are taking to their embassy, but I have also slipped into their respective embassy guard barracks and slit their throats while they slept. heh,heh,heh...

      I also go to Solitude and Markarth to assassinate their entourages that they have stationed in those cities but I must kill the leggates as well or my bounty raises too quickly and I will be rushed by the city's guards and my bounty will be over 10,000 because I left a witness alive. 

      Exactly! I kill each one I see. Especially named ones are the funnest. I even wipe out all the ones in the Dragonborn DLC every time they respawn. Thalmor need a specific DLC which either lets you join them or fight them back

      LEAVE NO SURVIVORS

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      I do love those robes, though.  I make a point on every mage-like character to get a set of those clothes.

      Especially ancano's, without the hood, lets you wear a circlet or something.

      I am so glad to see how many people make backstorys for their characters!

      As a Telvanni wizard I find the Thalmors attitude to need adjusting, and I enjoy adjusting it with Fireballs, or sometimes Thunderbolts depending on the weather...

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    • Battlemageftw wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      I do love those robes, though.  I make a point on every mage-like character to get a set of those clothes.
      Especially ancano's, without the hood, lets you wear a circlet or something.

      This is true they are some nice robes, I love the loading screen with the daedric sword weilding High Elf. Shame they're already enchanted.

      And cheers for the guide Rim, now how to kill her?

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    • If someone asked me how annoying the thalmore are on a scale of one to ten I'd say eleven. I shouted onodalmer off the side of a ledge in the Understone Keep. one of my favourite things I've ever done in the game

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    • Got kill 'em all!

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    • Yes thanks Rim now i can truly strike a hard blow to the racist fools For taking innocents and also taking a thief guild brother to boot! And about stories one of my characters Aaron Givingheart was born Sun's dusk Middas 07 171 meaning around for the war. And wants to kill them for causing him to have to move away from Cyrodill, and maybe killing his parents, you can see how angry that might make you. He's now got Dragon smithing so they better watch out! Hahahahah I'll kill them all! Dreamgamer2790 (talk) 00:56, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

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    • My character's name is Andrew. As a young Nord boy he lived on a farm with his family, but during the Great War it was burnt down. His parents had managed to keep him safe by hiding him in a carrot barrel. After 2 days he managed to get out, finding he was all alone. Imperial guards had found him and taken him to the Honorhall Orphanage, which he later left at the age of 16. (Yes he killed Grelod)

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    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:


      Sgt. S.S. wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor...
      Just about 2 days ago I finally killed Elenwen! The thing is, after her last interactions she loses her essentiallity, and guess where she hides, the Thalmor Embassy. Though it may be locked from only the front...
      *sharpens axe* She's as good as dead...
      So the MLP refrence mixed with the -20% duration? I guess so...

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      Yeah... hey, yeah. How the hell did I not notice that? O_O

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    • I think we should be able to join the thalmor. Hail the Elven queen, whoever she may be! (In the Thalmor embassy, you hear two thalmor soldiers talking about stuck-up mages being sent by "herself".) I'm betting herself is the quuen, and so I will worship her blindly and mindlessly obey her every order. And then... I will rid Tamriel of talos worshippers, and by doing this I will kill Talos... And then... the superior Elven race will take their rightful place in Aetherius!! 'cough' 'cough' sorry, multiple character- induced schizophrenia kicking in. That'll happen when you have 19. But still, you should be able to choose whether to destroy the thalmor... or join them.

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    • I think they were talking about the Ambassador.

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    • No, there's no way you can join the Thalmor, because it contradicts the canon set down by the main storyline. Diplomatic Immunity and A Cornered Rat both involve you treating the Thalmor as the enemy, so canonically, they are the enemy. You can't put something in that goes against canon.

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    • There are also quests where you assist the thalmor in their endeavours. In "a new source of Stalhrim", you can choose to help them by selling stalhrim weapons to Ancarion. Ondolemar gives you a quest to reveal ogmund's nature as a talos worshipper. using the console command player.addfac 39f26 allows the player to join the thalmor, making them friendly and unlocking hidden dialogue.

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    • Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I think we should be able to join the thalmor. Hail the Elven queen, whoever she may be! (In the Thalmor embassy, you hear two thalmor soldiers talking about stuck-up mages being sent by "herself".) I'm betting herself is the quuen, and so I will worship her blindly and mindlessly obey her every order. And then... I will rid Tamriel of talos worshippers, and by doing this I will kill Talos... And then... the superior Elven race will take their rightful place in Aetherius!! 'cough' 'cough' sorry, multiple character- induced schizophrenia kicking in. That'll happen when you have 19. But still, you should be able to choose whether to destroy the thalmor... or join them.

      In ESO you can chose between 3 side, one is the Aldemeri Dominion (Thalmor with Altmer (High Elves) Bosmer (Wood Elves) and Khajiit (Kitties)

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    • it would have been neat to have the main questline be split as well were you could join the thalmor, hunt down esbern, get the info on alduins wall and stil save the world, only you did it for the thalmor, not the people of skyrim (or tamriel, or yourself, or whatever)

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    • Oooo tuché Battlemage. That would have really given the Thalmor the upper hand. Personally I would never ever do that but if your character is an Altmer or something then I guess it makes sense to do that. While I don't like it, it would be cool to have that option. That being said, it is obvious that Bethesda doesn't want us going down that path.

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    • Hate them, Love the robes.

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    • Love the robes, hate the fact that they're already enchanted and they don't come with a seperate hood.

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    • on diplomatic immunity, i took 5 giant bag into the Thalmer hq, i took everything in that dam place, killed all the guards, unloaded a bar of horse()()()()under El's bed hid dead body parts in baskets in the dungeon,  shouted down a few walls, played with firehands and alcoholic drinks, stole all their files and plans,  left talos amulet and a dragon fang in her safe....


      on making my escape with a prisioner, and Mal.... i  used lightning storm, made my way to northwatch, and pulled an Alduin on it.


      For a superior race, they sure bleed, scream, and die like any any other one.... and best of all....

      how are they going to stop me!...

      bring on the dlc's they have it comming

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    • I myself think the Thalmor are a bunch of ignorant elves ready to see the nords pay the most of all for the Great War. I kill every Thamor I see and even broke into the agency to kill Elenwen. After this I went around and killed all named Thalmor. I may be a legate in the Imperial Legion but I still hold my nord values above all other.

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    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Sgt. S.S. wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor...
      Just about 2 days ago I finally killed Elenwen! The thing is, after her last interactions she loses her essentiallity, and guess where she hides, the Thalmor Embassy. Though it may be locked from only the front...
      *sharpens axe* She's as good as dead...
      So the MLP refrence mixed with the -20% duration? I guess so...

      Do all that, but also bring Ulfric Stormcloak as a Dead Thrall, kill him and leave their naked bodies entangled in a sexually suggestive pose.  Throw down a copy of The Bear of Markarth while you're at it.

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    • That is so evil, it is amazing.

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    • So when you kill a dead thralled body, does it turn into ash or stay the same?

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    • Dead Thralls do NOT turn to ash when killed, and they can be reanimated again, if desired.

      I use 2: a female Bandit Chief & a female Forsworn Ravager who is an Ice Witch, whom summons a Frost Atronach and fires volleys of Ice Spears.  They're excellent fighters and at night, when we're not fighting, they bring out these torches I gave them, which also acts as an early warning system because they douse them when danger pops up.

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    • I used two dremora mages as thralls on my imperial battlemage, along with Illia and serana and believe me, it's mental. the two dremoras throw fireballs all over the place on castle sieges, while illia impales the stragglers with dual ice spears and serana raises the dead. Yeah, there is some collateral damage, but it makes me, the emperor, and general Tullius happy. But, when I killed ulfric I was about level 70, so I couldn't thrall him.

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    • Where'd you get Dremora Mages?

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    • The climax of Azura's Daedric Quest has a few, Tod.

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    • I got them from mehrunes dagon's shrine after I completed his quest. usually, at least one of the two dremora that reside inside is a mage.

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    • Oh, I didn't give them a chance to attack me, so I didn't know they were mages.

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    • The ones in the shrine respawn every once in a while.

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    • 86.151.168.211 wrote:
      Don't be deceived by their disturbingly reassuring voices, these elves are powerful psychos who will do whatever it takes to vanquish tamriel of talos worship.

      the thalmor are so damn stupid overconfident and racist they think talos isnt a god but when why do you get a blessing by wearing an amulet of talos CHECKMATE THALMOR also they hate men there just like hitlers psychos and there sooo rude i was battling one and he said something like you are a dog and i am your master or nord beast once i kill you i will kill every other nord BAD MISTAKE  i killed every one i saw after that joined the stormcloaks killed general tullius then assasinated the emperor freed all the prisoners from northwatch keep and even used console commands to raid the thalmor embassy after i raided it for info on the dragons and kill elenwen and every other thalmor i could see

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    • I think somone mentioned earlier that you could go back and kill Elenwen without console, I'll have to check though. Ah yes 175.107.177.9 if you go up a bit Rim posted how to do it. But yes they are rude mainly because they take the term HIGH ELF to the extreme and see their race as better tan all others unless one of their own is against them then that/those individuals are also considered trash, quite horrible really. They're also frightening as, SPOILERS, Ancanno tries to end the world with the Eye of Magnus so his people can attain Immortality again. They're willing to destroy everything just to attain a dream. In otherwords they're Genocidal maniacs. Dreamgamer2790 (talk) 16:50, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

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    • Reed my discussion i have explaind why they are possobly doing it but dont think i am on there side i will kill them all if i have to.

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    • what i hate about thalmors most is that most of them are mages no matter if they wear eleven or thalmor robes, to set it straight most of high elves or thalmor that are hostile(mostly due to the fact that some of them are adept or novice mage or anecromacer etc.) fires destruction spells and the worse part is they move systematically in backwards direction that makes it even more annoying to chase those genocidal, haughty, son of a god damn racist beings specially on expert or master difficulty even if you can hack them in 1 hit i mean that's not even the worst part, remember that final quest in the mage ollege where you need to defeat that power hungry thalmor using tha staff of magnus, heck spend 5 mins firing bolts to the eye while he fires spells while walkingand you cant even punch him while he cast his spell on the eye of magnus, after neutralizing the effect of the eye to him, it's just a simple 1 power attack and bam HE'S DEAD like a fly swapped by your hands. that's the annoying part of those thalmors

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    • To 121.54.32.131 yes them moving around to keep distance and make it so you miss is frustrating even more so when they come up from nowhere like the Dawnguard lackies/vampires is annoying plus they taunt you like they own you and are unstoppable...um hello I have a level 62+ werewolf character with DRAGON BONE WEAPONS and you're taunting ME? Clearly the power they now have has gone to their pointy eared heads poor saps. Oh did I mention my 62+ character has Atronach stone for current sign? Yeah they're all wasted. Dreamgamer2790 (talk) 22:03, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

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    • Dreamgamer2790 wrote:
      plus they taunt you like they own you and are unstoppable...

      Oh I love it when any enemies 'taunt' you. Especially when my next move is to interrupt with a sword through the chest. ' I'm going to... urgh!' oh your dead nice threat that was.

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    • That was just genius, and highly relatable.

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    • I think I would prefer lobbing off their heads a bit more. Kind of a litteral shut up to the extreme if you will...more grizzly yes but very satisfying. Dreamgamer2790 (talk) 17:39, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

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    • Dreamgamer2790 wrote:
      To 121.54.32.131 yes them moving around to keep distance and make it so you miss is frustrating even more so when they come up from nowhere like the Dawnguard lackies/vampires is annoying plus they taunt you like they own you and are unstoppable...um hello I have a level 62+ werewolf character with DRAGON BONE WEAPONS and you're taunting ME? Clearly the power they now have has gone to their pointy eared heads poor saps. Oh did I mention my 62+ character has Atronach stone for current sign? Yeah they're all wasted. Dreamgamer2790 (talk) 22:03, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

      pfft, not to mention a level 65 nord that has a full set of enchanted armor and weapons with agent of dibella and a lord stone and they say "Elven supremacy is the only way" like that and move around like a sissy casting god knows what sort of excuse for a simple destruction spell they throw at you when you encounter them in the roads, specially if they have a captive nord with them.

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    • And that is why I invested in Archery skill. Magic encounters are easliy solved with some arrows.

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    • If only arrows could take those mustard faced bastard's heads clean off with critical hits----that  would be a kill cam to love #falloutVATS

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    • I think they need bows in Fallout.

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    • Compound bows. Keep it real.

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    • I sort of agree with the Thalmor. Talos was a human, not a god. The annoying thing is, though, that when I meet some Thalmor in the wild I only have the option to say that I worship Talos :/

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    • People wouldn't worship talos if they knew his true nature.

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    • But he clearly has some form of divinity as both his amulet and shrines have buffs that affect the Dragonborn thus the ascent story must have a grain of truth in it.

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    • I know that he's a divine, but Talos the god is very different from Tiber Septim the man.

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    • But as far as I am aware there is no record of a ninth divine before the supposed ascention of Tiber Septim.

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    • What I'm saying is, he was a megalomaniac scumbag, but he came to see reason when he ascended.

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    • Knight as long as he isn't like that anymore plus it's already been proven that the divines can not physically manifest themselves in the mortal plane or anywhere else anymore. So even if he still was some crazy nut case with god powers he really can't do much besides give blessings & listen to peoples' crazy plights with him as their reason for such things.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      I see them more like Stalin's group of fascists than Hitler's...but either way good reference and good point.  Much like the square is to the rectangle:  All Thalmor are High Elves, but not all High Elves are Thalmor.


      First of all, Stalin was a communist, not a fascist.

      Second, th Thalmor are more like Nazis. They kill off all races they consider impure (basically, everything that isn't an Altmer) and consider themselves superior.

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    • 74.186.125.13 wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      I see them more like Stalin's group of fascists than Hitler's...but either way good reference and good point.  Much like the square is to the rectangle:  All Thalmor are High Elves, but not all High Elves are Thalmor.

      First of all, Stalin was a communist, not a fascist.

      Second, th Thalmor are more like Nazis. They kill off all races they consider impure (basically, everything that isn't an Altmer) and consider themselves superior.


      I do not re-call the Thalmor killing off any races the only thing they've done is stopping the worship of a certain god which to be honest sounds almost like America in the very very early days (Yes I'm an american). They aren't taking control over all of Tamriel but won the war and forbid the Empire to allow the worship of Talos which they agreed to & as well to allow them to roam free in Empire controlled areas to deal with Talos worshippers.

      Now I can see how some say the Thalmor are like nazis but nazis were doing what they were because of the Jews (Not a race but a way of life) and they wanted world power.

      America kind of did the same thing to the Africans & the native americans. This whole comparing them to our real life is just silly though.

      In the end the Thalmor think too highly of themselves and want to control Tamriel but at the same time they most likely know that Talos exists as a divine but they don't want to accept it seeing as none of their species has been lifted as a divine yet. Seems kind of like a spoiled child acting out to be honest.

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    • Wait, no Altmer has ascended to godhood..... Auriel? Trinimac?

      Besides, a god only exists if people worship it. The thalmor want to ban talos worship because if they do Talos will no longer exist, and they will be a step closer to ruling Nirn and Aetherius.

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    • There are some High Elves that are the opposite side of the Aldmeri Dominion when it comes to the attitude they show to you. 1st the priest of Arkay in Falkearth, it's quite rare to see a Altmer worshipping or representing of the nine/eight divines since you see them in a daily basis as those who capture talos worshippers. 2nd merchants in Solitude and Windhelm(although they show some bad attitudes). and the mage in the tavern in winterhold. So not all Altmer or "High Elves" are like the Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion soldiers but most of the time you encounter one in the wilds or roads you automatically presume they are the bad guys for imprisoning a man/woman worshipping what he/she believes thus killing the patrol and freeing the prisoner.

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    • The priest of Arkay used to be a thalmor battlemage.

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    • "Runil was once a mighty Aldmeri Battlemage in the Great War and laments having killed many people with his magic but is willing to train adventurers in the basics of Conjuration. He feels fortunate that Kust and the people of Falkreath have come to accept him as one of their own and now solely preaches the word of Arkay."

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    • whats the max  level an thalmor can get?  then if he's lv 50 and ime lv 80, I CAN KILL HIM IN ONE F**KING BLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • I did the ultimate F$&! you to them. I wore an Amulet of Talos to the party in Diplomatic Immunity. I free every prisoner they get, even if they hate us Stormcloaks. Thamor sympathizers, feel the wrath of Halenfall Dragons-Bane!

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    • They don't seem to like Wood Elves.. So I riddle them with arrows or burn them alive. Or if I'm in a really bad mood, I use Volendrung.

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    • Knight where does it say anywhere that if they stop believing in any specific Aedra/God that the Aedra/God will die or stop existing? The Aedra existed & do still continue to exist the 8 divines were dieing because of Lorkhan's scheme to create another plane of existance which killed many Aedra while some fled the 8 and some others tied themselves to Nirn but they are to some degree still "alive". They just can not manifest themselves physically or interact physically with the world. But they can still converse & give blessings but no where in the lore does it say they disappear from all existance if they get stop getting worshipped.

      Just so you know it's Auri-El and he was the elven variant of Akatosh. Not an Elf that ascended he was an Aedra.

      As for Trinimac is the same he was an Aedra that got transformed into Malacath by Boethiah not an elf.

      The only mortal that is recorded to have ascended to god like status is Tiber Septim who is known as Talos.

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    • In the next DLC, I hope we fight the whole Thalmor operations in Skyrim. Though they will seem to win at first since they are sorta powerful in terms of army, then Talos Himself would come down and smack them and free Skyrim Himself with a little bit of our help... That'll be kinda cool. Damn Thalmors...

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    • Ah, yes, those so called 'Thalmor'. Khaly makes a point of murdering everyone they see. Khaly just picks up her bow, and aims straight for their heart. Skooma? *offers some*


      (My character speaking by the way, not me. xD)

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    • "Urgog confused, Thalmor, Gods, Urgog CRUSH"

      yeah my character Urgog speaking.

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    • @A Wikia Contributor - There isn't going to be another DLC they've moved onto their next project already but I'm sure that in the next TES game we will see either an all out war of high elves against the empire again or something else. But Talos can NOT physically manifest himself as he ascended to the same position as the other gods and can NOT interact with the world or any plane of existance besides hearing prayers & talking through shrines and giving blessings.


      "The term daedra is used to describe a wide variety of supernatural creatures, most of which possess a minimal intelligence comparable to the animal inhabitants of Nirn. The Aedra, however, are a small group of individual spirits, each with their own identity and possessing a high degree of intelligence. As a group, the Aedra are analogous to the much smaller subset of powerful daedra known as the Daedric Princes.

      Unlike the powerful Daedra, the Aedra do not have their own native planes within Oblivion. Rather, the act of creation bound them permanently to the mortal plane. Additionally, their power was so reduced that the Aedra lost the ability to manifest themselves physically or to interact directly with their creation. This limitation is one of the prime forces behind the existence of daedra worship; since the Daedric Lords did not give up their strength to create Nirn, they retain the power to interfere with the mortal world and are thus attractive to the power-hungry among the mortals.

      The Aedra are similar to the Daedric Lords, however, in that each has a preferred sphere of influence. These are derived from the personalities the Aedra had prior to the act of creation; most of the remaining energy the Aedra possess is focused on their preferred sphere. Examples of the primary aspects of Aedra include.


      During the Mythic Era, and early in the First Era, there were numerous accounts of Aedra (and Daedra) appearing physically on Nirn and interacting with its peoples. The Aedra that appeared in this manner were limited to those that did not give up their divinity fully to become the planets (the Eight Divines). Near the start of the First Era, the Aedra Akatosh made a pact with the newly crowned queen of Cyrodiil that bound the Daedra from entering Nirn; since this time, no Aedra has been seen either. However, the Aedra still possess the ability to interact spiritually or magically with Nirn such as through the shrines and altars scattered about Cyrodiil. It should be noted that, when the Oblivion barriers were breached during the Third Age and Mehrunes Dagon appeared physically in the Imperial City, he was defeated not by Akatosh himself but by a projection of Akatosh's spirit into a mortal's body. This would indicate that at least some Aedra are permanently bound from existing physically on the mortal plane."


      Taken straight from the page Aedra.

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    • StormKhajiit wrote:
      Ah, yes, those so called 'Thalmor'. Khaly makes a point of murdering everyone they see. Khaly just picks up her bow, and aims straight for their heart...

      i might visit her some day and drink some skooma until our bellies bleed...

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    • AlxCj wrote:
      StormKhajiit wrote:
      Ah, yes, those so called 'Thalmor'. Khaly makes a point of murdering everyone they see. Khaly just picks up her bow, and aims straight for their heart...
      Khaly sounds like a good guy... i might visit him some day and drink some skooma until our bellies bleed...

      Khaly needs to restock her supplies of skooma soon, only a few bottles left in her room in the Dark Brotherhood.

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    • i edited the genre mistake, sorry...

      just tell me when you got more, so i can stop by. try getting High-grade Skooma, I dont like that crappy Leaf Skooma.

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    • It's alright, happens a lot. XP


      Mkay, it'll take a while but Khaly'll get it soon enough. Wonder if Khaly can find a way to make it...

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    • What about Redwater Skooma?

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    • ParanormalAndroid wrote:
      What about Redwater Skooma?


      i prefer the High-Grade Skooma...

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    • AlxCj wrote:
      ParanormalAndroid wrote:
      What about Redwater Skooma?

      i prefer the High-Grade Skooma...


      Which is odd since Red water skooma gives you more stamina than what regular skooma does.

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    • Do you know what Redwater Skooma is?  Nasty!!!

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    • Yes I do and that does not stop it from giving the player more stamina than regular Skooma. Plus the skooma is kind of bad no matter what but at least it doesn't have such terrible side effects like the drugs from Fallout (Though I always got those drug perks they make you godly).

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    • i Want to know! whats on that tiny bottle of Redwater Skooma?

      If it's something coming from a human, just say Gummy Bears...

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Yes I do and that does not stop it from giving the player more stamina than regular Skooma. Plus the skooma is kind of bad no matter what but at least it doesn't have such terrible side effects like the drugs from Fallout (Though I always got those drug perks they make you godly).

      yes but everything in Fallout was Radioactive except for the purified water at the Jefferson memorial. besides the Skooma related drug in Fallout is JET, and just like skooma if you take to much Jet you become just as addicted.

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    • A lot of people here seem to have a slight problem in their reasoning (except for those talking about things unrelated to the Elder Scrolls or killing Elenwen): they assume the Thalmor are sane. They are NOT. They are currently trying to destroy the mortal plane in order to achieve immortality. Don't believe me? Look up the Towers. They're not secret. You even see them in Skyrim (anyone read the Song of the Dragonborn?).

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    • 84.128.184.18 wrote:
      A lot of people here seem to have a slight problem in their reasoning (except for those talking about things unrelated to the Elder Scrolls or killing Elenwen): they assume the Thalmor are sane. They are NOT. They are currently trying to destroy the mortal plane in order to achieve immortality. Don't believe me? Look up the Towers. They're not secret. You even see them in Skyrim (anyone read the Song of the Dragonborn?).


      Not like they will ever succeed I mean this game had you being the Dragonborn & whatever the next ES will most likely have you playing as something even stronger/better and let you lay the hardest smack down on a mortal species. If people dislike Necromancers I wonder how they honestly feel towards the Thalmor?

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      84.128.184.18 wrote:
      A lot of people here seem to have a slight problem in their reasoning (except for those talking about things unrelated to the Elder Scrolls or killing Elenwen): they assume the Thalmor are sane. They are NOT. They are currently trying to destroy the mortal plane in order to achieve immortality. Don't believe me? Look up the Towers. They're not secret. You even see them in Skyrim (anyone read the Song of the Dragonborn?).

      Not like they will ever succeed I mean this game had you being the Dragonborn & whatever the next ES will most likely have you playing as something even stronger/better

      Not really. In Morrowind, you were the reincarnation of Nerevar, In oblivion, your just an average Joe.

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    • Depends on your cannon Bethesda doesnt deny or confirm anything

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    • Supersonicman wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      84.128.184.18 wrote:
      A lot of people here seem to have a slight problem in their reasoning (except for those talking about things unrelated to the Elder Scrolls or killing Elenwen): they assume the Thalmor are sane. They are NOT. They are currently trying to destroy the mortal plane in order to achieve immortality. Don't believe me? Look up the Towers. They're not secret. You even see them in Skyrim (anyone read the Song of the Dragonborn?).

      Not like they will ever succeed I mean this game had you being the Dragonborn & whatever the next ES will most likely have you playing as something even stronger/better
      Not really. In Morrowind, you were the reincarnation of Nerevar, In oblivion, your just an average Joe.

      And even in Oblivion you were special because at the beginning the Emperor even tells you this before his death which means you were blessed/chosen by the 9 divines to stop the Oblivion Crisis I mean what other mortal could have gone through all the events of that timeline without dieing? No other person alive during that time could have done what the PC could have done.


      Which means even if you're not some super legend or something I'm sure the 9 divines blessings will still be with the PC though I kind of hope they let us continue using Dragon Shouts in future ES games.

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    • Thalmor guy: We the thalmor will make the world better place for that we shall...

      Dragonborn:Go eat your daddys face you self-rightous god wannabes!

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    • TodKarlson wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Sgt. S.S. wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor...
      Just about 2 days ago I finally killed Elenwen! The thing is, after her last interactions she loses her essentiallity, and guess where she hides, the Thalmor Embassy. Though it may be locked from only the front...
      *sharpens axe* She's as good as dead...
      So the MLP refrence mixed with the -20% duration? I guess so...
      Do all that, but also bring Ulfric Stormcloak as a Dead Thrall, kill him and leave their naked bodies entangled in a sexually suggestive pose.  Throw down a copy of The Bear of Markarth while you're at it.

      LOL, But seriously, when I have some down time I hunt down random Thalmor patrols and I also make sure I have a good supply of Amulets of Talos, like after I kill them and free the Prisoner (I don't care if he is a Storcloak or not, nobody deserves that) Ieave a amulet there so (as I like to pretend) if a Thalmor patrol finds them, they'll know it was me:)......

      And I also hunt down Thalmor supporters when I have time away from the Imperial Army, or I go and recon the patrol routes to find a good spot to make an ambush, and also, I keep a Steel sword with me at all times to give to the Prisoner to use to help me...

      To me, the Prisoner is a secondary objective, he is expendable but more helpful if alive...

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    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      I always make up some kind of backstory for my characters, so my High Elf is an ex-blade who narrowly escaped the pillaging and destruction of storm talon temple in Alinor...
      Just about 2 days ago I finally killed Elenwen! The thing is, after her last interactions she loses her essentiallity, and guess where she hides, the Thalmor Embassy. Though it may be locked from only the front...

      She is now dead.

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    • The Thalmor arnet exactly that bad considering the Mede and the Septim empires, the Septim dynasty just went round invading the areas, Tiber Septim's ideals were pherhaps as flawed as the Thalmor's, "Tiber Septim fought as general Talos to unify Cyrodiil and finally all of Tamriel, an effort that culminated in the birth of the Third Empire." His unification was to put it bluntly a invasion - exactly like the Thalmor's, also abusing his power of the voice that could've been used for good.

      The Mede dynasty are incapable of running the empire at all, "In 4E 168, Titus Mede II ascended to the throne and inherited a weakened empire.", Titus Mede II many times could have potentially put the Aldmeri dominion down. Also "Titus Mede, a Colovian Imperial warlord, conquered Cyrodiil and was crowned Emperor Titus Mede I." Another cold blooded invader.

      Onto what the Aldmeri domion and Thalmor have achieved and done, "Due to their knowledge of the realms of Oblivion and superior magickal skills, the Altmer encountered more success in closing the Oblivion Gates than the Imperials did." And most of these Altmer who helped with this support or are Thalmor - showing they have valour, bravery, however let's see even more points. "In 4E 98, the year that would become known as one of the two years that were part of the period known as the Void Nights, the twin moons of NirnMasser andSecunda, disappeared from the sky, throwing Elsweyr into chaos. Using previously unknown Dawn Magicks, the Thalmor restored the twin moons to the sky, gaining the favor of the Khajiit whose entire civilization depended on the interpreting the waxing and waning of the moons. With the help of the Thalmor, the Khajiiti kingdoms of Anequina and Pelletine broke away from the Mede Empire, and became client states, or protectorates, of the Third Aldmeri Dominion." Again proving they care, they bothered to intervene - whereas the Mede's did nothing.

      Maybe these are weak points, but it does not excuse the fact Tiber Septim may not have even became the God Talos, as no one can really claim sight of it - giving all right for him to be called fake.

      To conclude, at the end of the day their as bad as the other empires before them everywhere, for example one might say the Stormcloaks are terrible - because frankly their anarchistic, ironically xenophobic behaviour is pretty vulgar, and the Stormcloaks would most likely plunge Skyrim's business into chaos and completely ruin society because of how they ACT out their ideals.

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    • "In 4E 98, the year that would become known as one of the two years that were part of the period known as the Void Nights, the twin moons of NirnMasser andSecunda, disappeared from the sky, throwing Elsweyr into chaos. Using previously unknown Dawn Magicks, the Thalmor restored the twin moons to the sky, gaining the favor of the Khajiit whose entire civilization depended on the interpreting the waxing and waning of the moons. With the help of the Thalmor, the Khajiiti kingdoms of Anequina and Pelletine broke away from the Mede Empire, and became client states, or protectorates, of the Third Aldmeri Dominion." Again proving they care, they bothered to intervene - whereas the Mede's did nothing.
      Maybe these are weak points, but it does not excuse the fact Tiber Septim may not have even became the God Talos, as no one can really claim sight of it - giving all right for him to be called fake.


      There is no evidence that the Thalmor had any hand in the return of Masser and Secunda, only taking advantage of their return when they may have had prior knowledge of both the disappearence and return which if true means they didn't care to forewarn the Khajiit.

      Also the fact that there is no evidence for Talos's existence has already been dealt with insofar as that his amulet and shrines both have an effect thus proving his divinity, however as you say there is no concrete evidence that Tiber Septim became Talos but Talos's existence and divinity are unquestionable.

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    • Obviously, the moons of NirnMasser & Secunda, didn't actually disappear from the sky, they must have been obscured in some way, perhaps by the Thalmor themselves, in order to fool the gullible Khajiit.

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    • Which is sad that the Khajiit fell for that UNLESS they're know they were being lied to & plan on attacking the Aldmeri Dominion after the second war starts now that would be amusing but highly unlikely. Oh well but I don't see how anyone could not say Talos is Tiber Septim the divines can still communicate with mortals & if wasn't Tiber Septim in his previous life I'm sure he would've said something but hasn't. Which leads to the conclusion that Tiber Septim is in fact Talos the Divine. The Thalmor/High Elves are just pissed none of theirs ascended first.

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    • TodKarlson wrote:
      Obviously, the moons of NirnMasser & Secunda, didn't actually disappear from the sky, they must have been obscured in some way, perhaps by the Thalmor themselves, in order to fool the gullible Khajiit.


      If the Thalmor can make them disappear, couldn't they put them back. What proof says they couldn't make them disappear.

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    • Use bloody question marks!

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    • Super that is completely foolish to believe that the Aldmeri Dominion could make moons disappear.

      1) That would take the power of around the Eye of Magnus & seeing as how desperate they were to obtain that I highly doubt they have the sufficent ability to make them "disappear".

      2) The two "Moons" are suspected to be two halves of Aedra Lorkhan which I'm inclined to believe seeing as Lorkhan's heart was found deep in the planet (Which the dwarves messed with causing them to disappear).

      Now the 9 divines can't physically interact with any plane of existance in TES but they can commune with mortals & lend power to them. It could be speculated that: the oblivion crisis eventually caused the moons to vanish for some time; One of the Aedra lent some power to someone to cause them to disappear for some reason; A daedra either performed this task him/herself or under a deal with a mortal which could have been struck by a Thalmor. Sadly this will all remain speculation unless they add some kind of mission involving this in the next TES game, during the second war I'm guessing.


      I also believe I remember reading somewhere that the "moons" orbit is gradually moving closer to Nirn.


      In any case the only group on Nirn that could hold that kind of power is the Psijic Order & if they were the ones to pull off this feat then one would wonder why.

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Super that is completely foolish to believe that the Aldmeri Dominion could make moons disappear...

      But do any of use really understand magic. I know both me and the majority of Khajiit don't. Along with the fact that the Altmer are by far the best mages in Tamriel and also have an isolationist province so we don't know what to expect there. Plus in the past, the Dominion has had good relations with the Khajiit so it's not above them to do it again. But if the Thalmor were nice people who didn't watch over our empire, everyone would believe them but because they're scum, we don't believe a word they say.

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    • Umm it's a video game so yeah we understand how its magicka works. By the way the Psijic Order has more magicka talent than any altmer in the Dominion. And honestly if the Dominion had the power to make 2 freaking things above Nirn to disappear then why can't they use that magicka on the Empire? Answer: They never had that kind of power & was the reason why they were so desperate to obtain the Eye of Magnus. It's a good thing the Psijic Order was able to obtain it & not them.

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Umm it's a video game so yeah we understand how its magicka works. By the way the Psijic Order has more magicka talent than any altmer in the Dominion. And honestly if the Dominion had the power to make 2 freaking things above Nirn to disappear then why can't they use that magicka on the Empire? Answer: They never had that kind of power & was the reason why they were so desperate to obtain the Eye of Magnus. It's a good thing the Psijic Order was able to obtain it & not them.

      Just because it's a game doesn't mean they reveal everything to us. Otherwise, what would be the point of a wiki. We are never in the heart of the Dominion, the psijic order is a group of Altmer...henceforth, that proves that Altmer are skilled in magic. If you read the article on void nights, it says they used dawn magic, how would that work on a empire. Ancano was a insane man who wished he had as much power as the leader of the Dominion and he revealed himself to all as a spy (As if we didn't know) He tried to murder everyone in the college so don't count him as the rest of the Thalmor. I still don't even understand how magic works and I've been playing the game for quite awhile. That's because I focus on Khajiit and stealth not magic. Do you study magic or do you just assume everything on the Dominion just because we hate them.

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    • For god's sake, use bloody question marks!

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    • Oh Knight you kidder. But anyways back to you; magicka, If I remember correctly, came to be because of the Lorkhan incident (The creation of the realm that the mortals are in).

      This is taken straight from Ancano's Page - Ancano is an Altmer mage at the College of Winterhold. He is a Thalmor operative and serves as an advisor to Arch-Mage Savos Aren.

      Ancano is a Thalmor operative most likely sent there to steal any useful objects the College might've found. The Eye of Magnus is one such device. And yes I know the Psijic Order are mainly, if not all, Altmer. But unlike the Thalmor they do the best choices for all mortals where as the Thalmor seek to eradicate or enslave humanity. I'm sorry but it's foolish to side with the Thalmor; I have nothing against Altmer but I can not stand groups that would seek genocide on other species just because of their lifestyle/religion. And honestly the Thalmor purposely got the Khajiit on their side to use as foot soldiers in the upcoming 2nd war. They don't give a shit if they cause the Khajiit to go extinct or not; they most likely feel the same towards the Bosmer.

      The Void Nights article does not say they "used" anything it says they claimed to have used undiscovered Mythic Magicks. Again if they had kind of magicka prowess to be able to change the realm of existence they're in they would have been able to find some spell that could've removed all imperials from existence just like the dwarves. But seeing as they haven't either means they can't do such a feat or they're lying out their asses.

      Even if all they did was make the "moons" invisible that would still take such an insane & enormous amount of Magicka & no mortal has that much. And with how tied to the realm the divines are I don't see them lending out that much power. The only believable thing is that perhaps one of the Thalmor/Dominion struck a deal with a Daedra to make the "moons" disappear for some time so that they could trick the Khajiit into siding with them.

      But this is all speculation as that is all we can do since there is not concrete info on this but just remember: The Thalmor wish to be the rulers of Tamriel as well as crushing &/or pushing humanity to extinction. The Empire treats everyone the same & protects citizens no matter the species/race. You side with yours & I'll side with mine but at least I know my side won't persecute anyone based on what they were born as.

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    • ODragono wrote: Everytime I meet them on the road with a prisoner, I wipe em out and free the prisoner. Thalmor just disgust me... 

      I kill the prisoner if its a stormcloak

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    • Supersonicman wrote:

      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Super that is completely foolish to believe that the Aldmeri Dominion could make moons disappear...
      But do any of use really understand magic. I know both me and the majority of Khajiit don't. Along with the fact that the Altmer are by far the best mages in Tamriel and also have an isolationist province so we don't know...

      Auriels bow made the sun go away for like 12 hours so why can't a bow make the moons be blocked so a werewolf doesn't randomly transform. This bow could then be stolen and used by thalmore

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote: Which is sad that the Khajiit fell for that UNLESS they're know they were being lied to & plan on attacking the Aldmeri Dominion after the second war starts now that would be amusing but highly unlikely. Oh well but I don't see how anyone could not say Talos is Tiber Septim the divines can still communicate with mortals & if wasn't Tiber Septim in his previous life I'm sure he would've said something but hasn't. Which leads to the conclusion that Tiber Septim is in fact Talos the Divine. The Thalmor/High Elves are just pissed none of theirs ascended first.

      True the thalmore think they are all gods that were sent to nirn by Lorkharn and they want to be gods again to bad they are just another race of NORMAL elves. So yeah they are just mad because one of their leaders didn't become a divine and they think by conquering all of tamriel they will become gods.

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    • Azaltar wrote:

      UnbornCorpser wrote: Which is sad that the Khajiit fell for that UNLESS they're know they were being lied to & plan on attacking the Aldmeri Dominion after the second war starts now that would be amusing but highly unlikely. Oh well but I don't see how anyone could not say Talos is Tiber Septim the divines can still communicate with mortals & if wasn't Tiber Septim in his previous life I'm sure he would've said something but hasn't. Which leads to the conclusion that Tiber Septim is in fact Talos the Divine. The Thalmor/High Elves are just pissed none of theirs ascended first.

      True the thalmore think they are all gods that were sent to nirn by Lorkharn and they want to be gods again to bad they are just another race of NORMAL elves. So yeah they are just mad because one of their leaders didn't become a divine and they think by conquering all of tamriel they will become gods.


      Which they one of them could be lifted to divine status but it isn't as fancy as they think it is. The original 8 divines trapped themselves to Nirn's existance so that they wouldn't die. Now they can't even manifest themselves only commune & lend small amounts of power when necessary. I'm sure even Talos is in the same situation as the other divines now.


      And to your other comment Auriel's Bow is a known weapon/artifact which its main purpose was to allow the "sun" (Speculation that the sun isn't actually a sun but a gateway to the Aedra plane) to unleash destruction down when shot at with the bow. The vampires found a way to corrupt it shielding the "sun's" light for some time.


      The mere thought that there could be an artifact that can change the very fabrics of their realm besides the Eye of Magnus is just...no. The Eye of Magnus is bad enough we don't need another item in the lore that could do something that dangerous. Now unless you're just talking about something that can make them invisible for some time that would be fine but we're talking about 2 whole years. The only things capable of such a feat would either be an Aedra or Daedra. No mortal, even with an artifact (Unless it was the Eye of Magnus), could have done that.

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote: I'm sure even Talos is in the same situation as the other divines now.

      I don't think so, because Talos is the "newest" Divine out of The Nine Divines.

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    • You honestly believe that the 8 divines would bring a mortal human into their fold all the while not restricting him the same way they are? That would be completely foolish seeing as if they didn't he would easily control the entire realm of Nirn & all life there. Seeing as he hasn't done so would only indicate he has been bound permanately to the realm of Nirn like the rest of the divines. It has nothing to do with Talos being new or not.

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    • On diplomatic immunity, I had malborne smuggle in my daedric sword, dagger, bow, 25 arrows, and my nightingale armor (all legendary). Let's just say that there was some serious slaughter. It was awesome to just shout every thalmor I saw to death. I had one that surrendered, he got the kill-camera decapitation. 

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      You honestly believe that the 8 divines would bring a mortal human into their fold all the while not restricting him the same way they are? That would be completely foolish seeing as if they didn't he would easily control the entire realm of Nirn & all life there. Seeing as he hasn't done so would only indicate he has been bound permanately to the realm of Nirn like the rest of the divines. It has nothing to do with Talos being new or not.

      Yeah, Good point. WAIT A MINUTE. If they used up most of their "divine energy"(their power)on Mundus, then wouldn't it use up ALOT MORE on on one of their own, a Divine? so even if they did do that, wouldn't they still have less power?

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    • That would be sound IF we knew how much power they had to begin with & how much they have left. Seeing as Lorkhan had enough power to start the creation of Nirn but couldn't do it by himself would only indicate that they're powers are somewhat close to that of Sithis & Anu but not strong enough to do it on their own seeing as Lorkhan needed lots of "help" to get Nirn to become created.

      Now the only issue with what you're trying to suggest is that they have a limited amount of energy which is false they would, from what I assume, take time to regenerate their energy back like we would with our magicka. They are physically part of the Nirn realm which is why they can't manifest themselves but that being "bound" does not stop them from using or lending their powers after time from time.

      Now we're not talking about them using powers on one of their own which if you count the Oblivion Crisis where Akatosh lent his power to Septim to defeat Dagon then that could be a small example of them using their powers on one of their own (Not the same species seeing as one is Aedra & the other Daedra but the Aedra do have both Anu's & Sithis's creation energy in them while Daedra only have Sithis's) but even with Akatosh being bound to the realm & being restricted his lent strength to Septim was still stronger than Dagon which shows something.

      That only leaves to the question how much power would it take to ascend a mortal into god-like status. Bethesda hasn't explained it but seeing as bound Akatosh can still defeat a Daedra Prince shows that even lifting a mortal into god-like status would prove difficult for them at all especially if all 8 of them used their energy together to pull it off.


      All in all I'm sure their energy recharges after some time & I'm sure, since there is 8 of them, it wouldn't be that hard to raise Talos into god-like status. And honestly there is no other way that Talos could have attained such a status UNLESS the 8 divines lifted him themselves (And Talos is a real divine seeing as you get blessings from his shrine which also proves he was once human as his blessing helps your shouts which is what humans learned to do from the Dragon era).

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      That would be sound IF we knew how much power they had to begin with & how much they have left. Seeing as Lorkhan had enough power to start the creation of Nirn but couldn't do it by himself would only indicate...

      If their power recharges, wouldn't Talos's too?

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    • Yes it would but you must remember the 8 ascended him so they most likely put a restraint on how powerful he became. I'm sure, at the most, he is as powerful as any one of the other divines but there is no way he could go against anything they wish seeing as there are 8 of them & only one of him.


      Point is all divines old & new are at the same situation which is being bound to the realm of Mundus. The old divines, if they want to add another into their fold, must use their energy to do so which would only allow the new divine to have a limited power most likely less than any of the current divines.

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    • I am offensive and I find this Thalmor! >=(

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    • TheInfamousLyingHarlot wrote:
      I am offensive and I find this Thalmor! >=(

      Wah?

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Yes it would but you must remember the 8 ascended him so they most likely put a restraint on how powerful he became. I'm sure, at the most, he is as powerful as any one of the other divines but there is no way he could go against anything they wish seeing as there are 8 of them & only one of him.


      Point is all divines old & new are at the same situation which is being bound to the realm of Mundus. The old divines, if they want to add another into their fold, must use their energy to do so which would only allow the new divine to have a limited power most likely less than any of the current divines.

      Alright, then.

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    • ODragono wrote:
      Everytime I meet them on the road with a prisoner, I wipe em out and free the prisoner. Thalmor just disgust me... 

      I kill them all. (Stormcloak too) J'zin-Dar loves killing dirty dirty thalmor and racist Stormcloakes too.... EDIT: J'zin-Dar also strips them all. Im in no mood for Elves or dim-witted Nords.. (Not trying to hurt any Nord's feelings.)

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    • U.F.B. wrote:

      UnbornCorpser wrote: I'm sure even Talos is in the same situation as the other divines now.

      Talos is the "newest" Divine out of The Nine Divines.

      There are 8 divines -_-

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    • Um, no. There were eight Divines, but when Tiber Septim died he became Talos, god of war and governance. So the Eight Divines became the Nine Divines.

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    • Are people that ignorant towards there being 9 divines still? It's not a real religion it's a fake religion in a game get over the fact there is 9 divines now. And if that isn't what is bugging you people then I really can't fathom what is making you guys think that Talos isn't a divine.


      ~ Not referring to you Sgt. I'm talking to J'zindar who gets to much into character

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    • well, in game the religion is real, so it kind of applies, but not really.

      still though, Nine Divines

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    • Pink I was leaning towards the thought that it is a fictional religion made up for a video game lore. Not a real religion: I don't understand why people are so against the idea of a 9th divine.

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    • I will kill any thalmor, ANY! Bountey or not I will. The thalmor are stupid.

      @above ikr Talos for the win!!!!!

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    • Talos is REAL!

      A. The Belssing of TALOS

      B. The loading screen somtimes says Nine Divins not eight!

      C. The Thalmor hate Timber Septim, so, they spread lies! I cant belive some of you fall for these dumbos!!

      kill all thalmor, thats what I say....

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Pink I was leaning towards the thought that it is a fictional religion made up for a video game lore. Not a real religion: I don't understand why people are so against the idea of a 9th divine.

      I understand what you mean, but when it comes to lore in a series as popular as Elder Scrolls there will be arguments over almost anything that can be debated.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Pink I was leaning towards the thought that it is a fictional religion made up for a video game lore. Not a real religion: I don't understand why people are so against the idea of a 9th divine.
      I understand what you mean, but when it comes to lore in a series as popular as Elder Scrolls there will be arguments over almost anything that can be debated.

      I believe it also has to do with people getting too much into character. I don't mind that kind of thing while playing a game but not on a thread online. Anyways what is there to discuss?
      You receive a blessing from his shrine & Bethesda themselves (Who also made the game) are the ones who put Tiber Septim into the new character Talos the divine. There is absolutely nothing to discuss on this matter he is a divine which adds up to 9 any who say otherwise are just plain ignorant and ignore the facts that stare them in the face. Again I'm not referring to you.

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    • God I despise the Thalmor. Everytime I come across Justiciars I tell them that i'm a Talos worshipper (I don't have any preference really, just like pissing them off) and then I crush them like the insects the are. They're all pretentious ass holes and as much as I hate the Talos Priest in White Run (Annoying listening to him shout all the time so I killed him) he's right about them.

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    • if there is any continuation of the civil war to fight the thalmor, I will join the Stormcloaks and try to wipe them out, their arrogance disturbing me.

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    • J'zindar wrote:
      U.F.B. wrote:

      UnbornCorpser wrote: I'm sure even Talos is in the same situation as the other divines now.

      Talos is the "newest" Divine out of The Nine Divines.
      There are 8 divines -_-

      9,dont make that mistake again,Milk-drinker

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    • BryanNK wrote:
      if there is any continuation of the civil war to fight the thalmor, I will join the Stormcloaks and try to wipe them out, their arrogance disturbing me.

      The civil war isn't about the thalmor. It's about the fact that the Empire is seen as a shell of it's former self that Ulfric doesn't want Skyrim part of. And the fact the Empire gave in to the banning of Talos. The next will not cover the continuation of the civil war seeing as that would be a duplicate of this TES but with enhanced everything. They will most likely cover the 2nd Great War (That will be between the Dominion & the Empire).

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      BryanNK wrote:
      if there is any continuation of the civil war to fight the thalmor, I will join the Stormcloaks and try to wipe them out, their arrogance disturbing me.
      The civil war isn't about the thalmor. It's about the fact that the Empire is seen as a shell of it's former self that Ulfric doesn't want Skyrim part of. And the fact the Empire gave in to the banning of Talos. The next will not cover the continuation of the civil war seeing as that would be a duplicate of this TES but with enhanced everything. They will most likely cover the 2nd Great War (That will be between the Dominion & the Empire).

      It wasn't like the Empire had a choice in the White-Gold Concordat, It was basicly a demand. the Thalmor basicly said "Accept these terms or we will destroy you, but if you do accept it, we will leave you alone." So I'll leave you to decide which is better, and Ulfric Stormcloak is (and I'll say it again) a racist bastard who wants the High King title, and will kill anyone or do anything to get that damn title and I say, let Ulfric Stormcloak die!

      (I don't think this was a very good rant, but it's better than nothing)

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    • King of Skyrim wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      BryanNK wrote:
      if there is any continuation of the civil war to fight the thalmor, I will join the Stormcloaks and try to wipe them out, their arrogance disturbing me.
      The civil war isn't about the thalmor. It's about the fact that the Empire is seen as a shell of it's former self that Ulfric doesn't want Skyrim part of. And the fact the Empire gave in to the banning of Talos. The next will not cover the continuation of the civil war seeing as that would be a duplicate of this TES but with enhanced everything. They will most likely cover the 2nd Great War (That will be between the Dominion & the Empire).
      It wasn't like the Empire had a choice in the White-Gold Concordat, It was basicly a demand. the Thalmor basicly said "Accept these terms or we will destroy you, but if you do accept it, we will leave you alone." So I'll leave you to decide which is better, and Ulfric Stormcloak is (and I'll say it again) a racist bastard who wants the High King title, and will kill anyone or do anything to get that damn title and I say, let Ulfric Stormcloak die!

      (I don't think this was a very good rant, but it's better than nothing)

      wew, but well, my favourite race is Nord, and I like to skyrim as a independence province, so I join the Stormcloak and destroy the empire. and ulfric isn't really racist, the stormcloaks soldier are not too racist (if they are, they wouldn't considering for you to join them, remember what ralof said? ralof : you don't have to be a nord to fight to free skyrim), but maybe the stormcloaks supporters do. but well, I'm not hating the other races.

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    • King of Skyrim wrote:

      It wasn't like the Empire had a choice in the White-Gold Concordat, It was basicly a demand. the Thalmor basicly said "Accept these terms or we will destroy you, but if you do accept it, we will leave you alone." So I'll leave you to decide which is better, and Ulfric Stormcloak is (and I'll say it again) a racist bastard who wants the High King title, and will kill anyone or do anything to get that damn title and I say, let Ulfric Stormcloak die!

      (I don't think this was a very good rant, but it's better than nothing)

      King I know that better than most. He isn't a true "racist" like the Thalmor are towards humanity but he doesn't see any other race/species as good enough to lead anything. If given the chance I'm sure he would attempt on taking over Tamriel just like how the Thalmor are.


      @ Bryan - Just because your favorite race is Nord doesn't mean to go blindly towards Ulfric. General Tullius's second in command is a Nord (Yes a nord) woman. And they didn't even bring that many troops into Skyrim. The majority of the Empire troops you see are Nords who join the Legion from right there in Skyrim. Which a lot of people don't seem to get. It doesn't matter if you are a Nord or not joining Ulfric based off of that is just...a simplistic thought process. Example ~ Ulfric is a nord so since I'm a nord I'll join him. ~ That makes as much sense as if a white person saw a KKK or the White Supremacists and wanted to join them just because they're all white. The point I'm trying to make is don't be joining a side just because of a race/species that makes you seem just as short sighted as Ulfric.

      And like I said above Ulfric isn't like the Thalmor he isn't a Nazi racist but he does look down any other human/elf or sub-human/beast if they are not a nord. He proves this by doing nothing to assist the Dunmer or the Argonians in his town of Windhelm even if they get robbed/assaulted or killed he does nothing. He's not a Elite racist but he won't acknowledge other species/races as equals & won't treat them the same as nords. I don't even care if Skyrim became independent but he shouldn't be the High King he's too power hungry & doesn't treat visitors right which in the long run would make every other province avoid trading with Skyrim causing their economy to plummet & could cause it Skyrim to fall altogether. The only reasonable thing would be to not let Skyrim secede from the Empire it would only cause turmoil & chaos (Just like if one of the US states secede from our union it would only cause chaos in that state even if I don't like a lot of what our gov't does).

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    • @UnbornCorpser - well maybe you didn't like ulfric anyway, but I guess I already made up my mind to kept joining him. I don't like the empires more a lot.

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    • BryanNK wrote:
      @UnbornCorpser - well maybe you didn't like ulfric anyway, but I guess I already made up my mind to kept joining him. I don't like the empires more a lot.

      Don't take this personally but your english is terrible well that & your grammar. It's hard to take someone seriously on this when you can't even sound professional. Yes I don't like Ulfric's actions I have nothing against him personally (well except for him being single minded towards helping only Nords). Most people that like Ulfric & follow him blindly are normally ones that look down on non-nords & treat them like crap. You can join his side all you want that only shows how you think towards others (It may be just a video game decision but people normally make decisions in games that reflect how & who they are).


      On that note have fun playing your game after all that's what this is about isn't it?

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    • I don't mind people hating the Thalmor, but when they hate them over banning Talos worship, then it's just stupid.

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    • I hate the empire more for allowing the thalmor to ban talos worship.

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    • 24.153.239.117 wrote:
      I don't mind people hating the Thalmor, but when they hate them over banning Talos worship, then it's just stupid.

      I agree with you there, Talos was a bastard. I hate them because they're the most pretentious, arrogant, self serving pukes that I've ever put to the sword.

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    • WormButox wrote:
      J'zindar wrote:
      U.F.B. wrote:

      UnbornCorpser wrote: I'm sure even Talos is in the same situation as the other divines now.

      Talos is the "newest" Divine out of The Nine Divines.
      There are 8 divines -_-
      9,dont make that mistake again,Milk-drinker

      E-i-g-h-t- D-i-v-i-n-e-s- Do i have to spell it out? ;) Talos is a FAKER! I worship Sheogortah.. THE TRUE NINTH DIVINE :)

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    • 72.208.223.52 wrote:
      Talos is REAL!

      A. The Belssing of TALOS

      B. The loading screen somtimes says Nine Divins not eight!

      C. The Thalmor hate Timber Septim, so, they spread lies! I cant belive some of you fall for these dumbos!!

      kill all thalmor, thats what I say....

      In the temple of mara is says which of the EIGHT divines do you serve... Haha! I've found your weak spot! *slaps with fish*

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    • so? the temple of the divines has nine alcoves, that doesn't prove how many gods there are.

      also Sheogorath would never be one of the divine, he's an amoral deadra.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      so? the temple of the divines has nine alcoves, that doesn't prove how many gods there are.

      also Sheogorath would never be one of the divine, he's an amoral deadra.

      True true... You have me thi- Wha!? *Takes arrow to face by Heimskr* "BREATHE NOW!"

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    • if talos wasn't a divine, there won't be an effect called 'blessing of talos'

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      BryanNK wrote:
      @UnbornCorpser - well maybe you didn't like ulfric anyway, but I guess I already made up my mind to kept joining him. I don't like the empires more a lot.
      Don't take this personally but your english is terrible well that & your grammar. It's hard to take someone seriously on this when you can't even sound professional. Yes I don't like Ulfric's actions I have nothing against him personally (well except for him being single minded towards helping only Nords). Most people that like Ulfric & follow him blindly are normally ones that look down on non-nords & treat them like crap. You can join his side all you want that only shows how you think towards others (It may be just a video game decision but people normally make decisions in games that reflect how & who they are).


      On that note have fun playing your game after all that's what this is about isn't it?

      yeah, I can't speak english fluently these days, don't know why. yeah you're right, our decisions in game somehow reflect our action in real life. but you should know that sometimes, I make my decision in game very different (like 180 degrees) and in real life. yeah, this is just a game, enjoy it in our own way.

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    • BryanNK wrote:
      if talos wasn't a divine, there won't be an effect called 'blessing of talos'

      OK Talos is a god.. not before the Metheric Era though.

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    • J'zindar wrote:
      BryanNK wrote:
      if talos wasn't a divine, there won't be an effect called 'blessing of talos'
      OK Talos is a god.. not before the Metheric Era though.

      And? That is completely obvious as seeing Tiber wasn't even alive then. The 8 Aedra divines saw fit to allow him to ascend his mortal form to match whatever you would call their form now. He may have been an ass but he obviously did something that the 8 really liked.

      The term "God" is so misunderstood. There is nothing that will eventually die or fade and even the Aedra faced this. The 8 divines that are commonly celebrated are Aedra that weren't able to escape the creation of Mundus & had to fuse themselves to the realm to stave off death. But by doing so they can't physically manifest themselves & they can't directly stop attempts by the Daedra Princes if needed. They can only talk through certain instances to mortals & lend a small portion of their power (Like when Akatosh borrowed his power to Septim to push Dagon back to Oblivion).


      @ Bryan - I'm glad you didn't take the offensively too many people do too many easily bruised soft hearts everywhere it's ridiculous. I was mainly referring to people who kill all Redguards just because they don't like Blacks in real life ~ Example. Like you said it is fun to enjoy it how you want but immoral bastards do play this game which is sad. At least they can't go into your world and do these things. Oh but wait they will be able to do that in TES: Online. Well so much for that.

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      J'zindar wrote:
      BryanNK wrote:
      if talos wasn't a divine, there won't be an effect called 'blessing of talos'
      OK Talos is a god.. not before the Metheric Era though.
      And? That is completely obvious as seeing Tiber wasn't even alive then. The 8 Aedra divines saw fit to allow him to ascend his mortal form to match whatever you would call their form now....

      that's why the story are awesome, if the good side is always stronger, it is too childish, when the good side are weaker can overcome the evil side (which is stronger), that is awesome.

      @UnbornCorpser - well I'm not that kind of person, haha, even though I don't like the thalmor, I'm no dislike of high elf. sometimes I admire that the high elf have excellent natural magic ability. And I'm not hating any race, only my favourite is Nord, but that doesn't mean I want to be a racist,haha. In TES Online? you have a point, yet we must oppose those who want to affect our world negatively or peace treaty perhaps? 

      Just enjoy the game in our own way to enjoy it. =D

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    • Or get them kicked out of the server. I really don't even know how Bethesda is going to handle the Online. I'm sure they've said somewhere but I haven't paid that much attention to it since I'm going to wait for it to become free.

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    • Personally I thonk there should have been random fights between Stormcloaks and Justicars once you win the Civil War for the Stormcloaks. That and the Embassy becomes a pile of charcoal.

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    • Yes... thonk.... its a new word >.>

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    • I don't worship the 9 I worship the 8 and 1.

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    • ^^^^ - What? Isn't that the same thing? Or am I missing something here? And here I thought everyone would want to worship Talos since he is the only mortal to reach that status while the other 8 divines are bound Aedra. Yes the other Divines are nice & I know Tiber was an asshole before ascending but come on got to have respect for a mortal being chosen by the divines to get to where they are.

      Unless they did it as a punishment for him...I mean they can't die the divines are permanently bound to the realm of mundus which also includes Talos now. That could be seen as punishment/torture by some.

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    • "Yes the other Divines are nice & I know Tiber was an asshole before ascending but come on got to have respect for a mortal being chosen by the divines to get to where they are."

      Once an ass hole always an ass hole, ascendancy doesn't magically change that.

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    • it probably can, has he done any assholish deeds since ascendance?

      I mean it probably was an extremely magical event, why would it be unable to magically change his assholery if it could change him into a god.

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Or get them kicked out of the server. I really don't even know how Bethesda is going to handle the Online. I'm sure they've said somewhere but I haven't paid that much attention to it since I'm going to wait for it to become free.

      but in the online games, we must counting each other as a teamwork to oppose stronger enemies. I think they will have no other choice except to deny their racist attitude. 

      wew, when will the game will be available for free?

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    • People who refuse to play it untill it goes f2p is why it will probably go f2p then just become another crappy MMO. I for one would like to see a game actually challenge WoW, because Blizzard is just so annoyingly lazy and the recent expansion is just tedious garbage. You're nt helping the game at all if you ignore it, even though you apparently like it, untill it goes f2p, youre actually hurting it alot. has to be about the th or 9th person I've seen today that goes "Im waiting untill it goes f2p" or 'when will it be f2p?'

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    • Gonna clarify what im saying, cause I think I worded it horribly. People who refuse to play the game unless its free are the one who kill the game. If it goes f2p and you try it then buy microtransactions or get a sub or however they make the payment system, then thats fine. I had personal experiance with SWTOR, before it went f2p the game was awesome just didnt get as much subs as they thought, so they went f2p. Made EA and Bioware alot of money, but the game quality, imo, went down the toilet. I would rather not see that happen again with ESO.

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    • BryanNK wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Or get them kicked out of the server. I really don't even know how Bethesda is going to handle the Online. I'm sure they've said somewhere but I haven't paid that much attention to it since I'm going to wait for it to become free.
      but in the online games, we must counting each other as a teamwork to oppose stronger enemies. I think they will have no other choice except to deny their racist attitude. 

      wew, when will the game will be available for free?

      They havn't given a time since I believe they are still doing the beta for it. But you havn't really played with extreme racists have you? The only thing you can do is mute them (if possible) then report them. I'd rather buckle myself for a solo adventure then play with ignorant people.

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    • Erik Torvaldson wrote:
      Gonna clarify what im saying, cause I think I worded it horribly. People who refuse to play the game unless its free are the one who kill the game. If it goes f2p and you try it then buy microtransactions or get a sub or however they make the payment system, then thats fine. I had personal experiance with SWTOR, before it went f2p the game was awesome just didnt get as much subs as they thought, so they went f2p. Made EA and Bioware alot of money, but the game quality, imo, went down the toilet. I would rather not see that happen again with ESO.

      Let me clarify something for you since you can't seem to see it yourself. I don't like, wait for it, MMOs. The only reason I'd be willing to give this one a chance is because it's TES. And unless you don't keep up on their news they said they're going to make it free-to-play a month or so after its release. And people who wait for it to become free-to-play kill it? That's one of the most bullshit things anyone can say in defense for a gaming company. If the gaming company couldn't make it desirable enough to be paid for then that is their fault not the ones waiting.

      By the way can't wait to see how Undead Labs Class4 MMO will be. Seeing as that is the only other MMO I'm looking forward to as well.

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    • Al Wolf2200 wrote:
      "Yes the other Divines are nice & I know Tiber was an asshole before ascending but come on got to have respect for a mortal being chosen by the divines to get to where they are."

      Once an ass hole always an ass hole, ascendancy doesn't magically change that.

      He really was not an asshole. I was just stating that to be like everyone else. He was the only one who ever achieved a united Tamriel and didn't persecute any race after doing so. Read his entire page & you could learn more.

      Tiber Septim

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Erik Torvaldson wrote:
      Gonna clarify what im saying, cause I think I worded it horribly. People who refuse to play the game unless its free are the one who kill the game. If it goes f2p and you try it then buy microtransactions or get a sub or however they make the payment system, then thats fine. I had personal experiance with SWTOR, before it went f2p the game was awesome just didnt get as much subs as they thought, so they went f2p. Made EA and Bioware alot of money, but the game quality, imo, went down the toilet. I would rather not see that happen again with ESO.
      Let me clarify something for you since you can't seem to see it yourself. I don't like, wait for it, MMOs. The only reason I'd be willing to give this one a chance is because it's TES. And unless you don't keep up on their news they said they're going to make it free-to-play a month or so after its release. And people who wait for it to become free-to-play kill it? That's one of the most bullshit things anyone can say in defense for a gaming company. If the gaming company couldn't make it desirable enough to be paid for then that is their fault not the ones waiting.

      By the way can't wait to see how Undead Labs Class4 MMO will be. Seeing as that is the only other MMO I'm looking forward to as well.

      Lets back up for a second. I dont give two shits about the gaming company, nowadays most companies are just horrible, and dont care about anything except making money. Some actually do their jobs when they make money though, believe it or not. Unless the games payment method is f2p from the start, which I didnt know ESO was going to be ty for that, when the game goes f2p thats purely because the company wants to squueze any last bit of money from it before just ditching the game altogether. Using SWTOR again as an example, it was awesome before f2p but to many people refused to even try it unless it went f2p. So it did and now its quality has gone down quite a bit. Its deffinantly better than what happened to LOTRO, but its still nowhere near where it could be. Maybe im just not putting my point into the right word, honestly idfk, and at this point im not really worried about it anymore xD

      Undead Labs Class4?

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Al Wolf2200 wrote:
      "Yes the other Divines are nice & I know Tiber was an asshole before ascending but come on got to have respect for a mortal being chosen by the divines to get to where they are."

      Once an ass hole always an ass hole, ascendancy doesn't magically change that.

      He really was not an asshole. I was just stating that to be like everyone else. He was the only one who ever achieved a united Tamriel and didn't persecute any race after doing so. Read his entire page & you could learn more.

      Tiber Septim

      So by stealing the Altmer's right of independence he didn't persecute other races? Makes sense.

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    • Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Al Wolf2200 wrote:
      "Yes the other Divines are nice & I know Tiber was an asshole before ascending but come on got to have respect for a mortal being chosen by the divines to get to where they are."

      Once an ass hole always an ass hole, ascendancy doesn't magically change that.

      He really was not an asshole. I was just stating that to be like everyone else. He was the only one who ever achieved a united Tamriel and didn't persecute any race after doing so. Read his entire page & you could learn more.

      Tiber Septim

      So by stealing the Altmer's right of independence he didn't persecute other races? Makes sense.

      To be fair, they were given a choice. They chose poorly.

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    • They were not given a choice, they were hacked to pieces until they joined the empire.

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    • Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      They were not given a choice, they were hacked to pieces until they joined the empire.

      Sure they were. Choice was, join the Empire, or be destroyed. The Dunmer made the right choce, why couldn't the apparetly 'superior' Altmer see that their only hope of maintaining themselves would be to concede to Imperial rule? Surely a race of superior intellect such as theirs could see that they stood no chance against the Empire. Instead they -chose- to fight, and lost. Cant cry about it when you were given alternatives.

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    • Besides, who the hell are the Altmer to cry about losing their Independence? I can name several seperat occasions where they did -exactly- the same thing the Empire did to them.

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    • Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Al Wolf2200 wrote:
      "Yes the other Divines are nice & I know Tiber was an asshole before ascending but come on got to have respect for a mortal being chosen by the divines to get to where they are."

      Once an ass hole always an ass hole, ascendancy doesn't magically change that.

      He really was not an asshole. I was just stating that to be like everyone else. He was the only one who ever achieved a united Tamriel and didn't persecute any race after doing so. Read his entire page & you could learn more.

      Tiber Septim

      So by stealing the Altmer's right of independence he didn't persecute other races? Makes sense.

      And? Life, even in a game, isn't about asking "Sir could I have some more?". Either man the fuck up or step down and become someone's bitch (Excuse the language). Either they did or the Elves would have. Plain & simple. Even the greybeards who try as hard as possible to stay clear of politics & outside interactions even gave a prophecy to Tiber that he would conquer the world. It was meant to happen thus the reason he was rewarded to ascend to the power of the 8 Aedra Divines (Seriously people the Aedra were powerful but Gods? They could die too which quite a few did in the creation of Mundus).

      And look at it now the Dominion is trying to conquer all the world now the only difference being that they would enslave or hunt down all of humanity while the Empire did not do that to the Elves. Say what you will about Tiber but he was the only mortal in TES to live up into 108 years naturally & conquer all of Tamriel as well as have equal right for all species in the Empire.

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      BryanNK wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Or get them kicked out of the server. I really don't even know how Bethesda is going to handle the Online. I'm sure they've said somewhere but I haven't paid that much attention to it since I'm going to wait for it to become free.
      but in the online games, we must counting each other as a teamwork to oppose stronger enemies. I think they will have no other choice except to deny their racist attitude. 

      wew, when will the game will be available for free?

      They havn't given a time since I believe they are still doing the beta for it. But you havn't really played with extreme racists have you? The only thing you can do is mute them (if possible) then report them. I'd rather buckle myself for a solo adventure then play with ignorant people.

      well I'm not racist, I'm no dislike of other races, only my favourite is Nord, but only to report them, it isn't enough right? well I'm a bit run out of idea, any suggestion?

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    • The Altmer were mostly isolationists before Talos subjugated them.

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    • You Stormcloaks do realize that Ulfric Stormcloak is indeed a Thalmor sleeper agent? It said so in his Thalmor Dossier and it explains why after afew weeks Thalmor start popping up everywhere in Skyrim once you finish the Stormcloak side of the Civil War.


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    • why does everyone think Ulfric's a sleeper agent? He's nothing of the sort, he was manipulated by the thalmor, but they have absolutely no real control on him, if, say, he chose not to actually start a civil war masked as religious and cultural freedom, but was actually just him trying to become king and saying, "might as well do the things my people want, seeing as they would be beneficial to me also."; then the thalmor would have had to accept it and try something else. Yes Ulfric worked, but no, they have no control on him, which is why they don't want him to win the war, why wouldn't they want him to win if he works for them? saying he's a thalmor agent is just retarded interperatation of the dossier.

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    • Knight of Camlorn wrote:
      The Altmer were mostly isolationists before Talos subjugated them.

      That doesn't stop the fact that the Greybeards were given the prophecy for Tiber. The divines themselves most likely wanted things to pan out the way that they did. After all the High Elves blame Lorkhan & most Aedra for them being mortals instead of Aedra. Which is ridiculous seeing as they wouldn't have even been them even if they had been Aedra instead. They have more individuality being mortals than Aedra but they don't care for that they want power.

      And if you honestly believed they would've kept on the whole isolation routine then you're nuts. They would've, at some point, tried to do the same exact thing that Tiber did except most likely them enslaving humanity. The only difference now is since Tiber did it first they have a reason to wipe out humanity.

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    • I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions, due to the fact that Nords see an Altmer, and think "ALTMUR = THALMUR = DUSNT LIKE TALOS = KIL KIL KIL!!!", whereas the Thalmor let the Nords live (and with relative freedom). And besides, the Thalmor have a great reason to ban Talos worship. I wish you could (legitimately) join the Thalmor, and for role-playing every non-rouge character I've made is in the Thalmor.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions...

      The let me ask you, in the real world, is it ok for a man to murder another over their religion? They are not moral for killing the Nords, they are just as racist and hatefull of Nords becuase they dont like the idea of a human becoming a god. I kid you not they wouldnt hate Talos if he was an elf.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions, due to the fact that Nords see an Altmer, and think "ALTMUR = THALMUR = DUSNT LIKE TALOS = KIL KIL KIL!!!", whereas the Thalmor let the Nords live (and with relative freedom). And besides, the Thalmor have a great reason to ban Talos worship. I wish you could (legitimately) join the Thalmor, and for role-playing every non-rouge character I've made is in the Thalmor.

      First off what are you smoking? Secondly what reason do they have to ban someone else's religion? They could have banned it in the Dominion but across Tamriel? Hate to burst your bubble kiddo but the Thalmor want to enslave or wipe out humanity IF they win the upcoming 2nd war. Most High Elves/Altmer see themselves as the higher species in the realm of Mundus & even curse/blame Lorkhan & other Aedra for them being mortal. The Altmer, for the most part, are one of the most power hungry nazi clones I've seen in a game {Thalmor related} (Not counting actual Nazi enemies in games).

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions, due to the fact that Nords see an Altmer, and think "ALTMUR = THALMUR = DUSNT LIKE TALOS = KIL KIL KIL!!!", whereas the Thalmor let the Nords live (and with relative freedom). And besides, the Thalmor have a great reason to ban Talos worship. I wish you could (legitimately) join the Thalmor, and for role-playing every non-rouge character I've made is in the Thalmor.
      First off what are you smoking? Secondly what reason do they have to ban someone else's religion? They could have banned it in the Dominion but across Tamriel? Hate to burst your bubble kiddo but the Thalmor want to enslave or wipe out humanity IF they win the upcoming 2nd war. Most High Elves/Altmer see themselves as the higher species in the realm of Mundus & even curse/blame Lorkhan & other Aedra for them being mortal. The Altmer, for the most part, are one of the most power hungry nazi clones I've seen in a game {Thalmor related} (Not counting actual Nazi enemies in games).

      The 'N' in Nazi should be capitol. -Grammer Nazi : P

      The reason they have to ban the worship of Talos is that they own the Empire, they won the Great War and got to empose their rules because of it, and they weren't perticularly jovial over the worship of the man that conquered them. And due to their possesion of the Empire, they already have most humans pretty much enslaved, the Second War is likely to be an Imperial rebellion. Also, I never said that they weren't complete stuck-up snobbs, they just are better than the blindly racist Nords. I still belive that they are right in all their non-snobbish beliefs, and the most moral faction. Aside from Orcs, Orcs are the best.

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    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions...
      The let me ask you, in the real world, is it ok for a man to murder another over their religion? They are not moral for killing the Nords, they are just as racist and hatefull of Nords becuase they dont like the idea of a human becoming a god. I kid you not they wouldnt hate Talos if he was an elf.

      I am continually critisized for twisted words, I said more moral. No one in TES is anywhere near good (except the Ocs, again). Have you read any of the history? Humans continually push the Elves out of their lands, slaughter thousands, and make big deals over them fighting back. The Elves lived in Tamriel first, and the Humans now dominate the land. I think that does a lot towards justifying the killing of Rebels. Star Wars isn't always right, the rebels aren't always the good guys.

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    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions...
      The let me ask you, in the real world, is it ok for a man to murder another over their religion? They are not moral for killing the Nords, they are just as racist and hatefull of Nords becuase they dont like the idea of a human becoming a god. I kid you not they wouldnt hate Talos if he was an elf.

      I forgot to mention that if Talos was an Elf;

      1; He would probably not be conquering other Elves.

      2; The Nords would not worship him.

      3; He would have been called something along the lines of 'Talos, Lord of Slaughter' by the Humans to make the Elves seem like anarchical slaughterers.

      4; If he did conquer the Elves, the Nords worshipped him, and he wasn't 'Talos the Bloody' then the Elves would probably hate him (although I think they would try to depict him as a human(because they are still jerks, like all factions(aside from Orcs)))

      I would like applause for my inclusion of triple parentheses.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions...
      The let me ask you, in the real world, is it ok for a man to murder another over their religion? They are not moral for killing the Nords, they are just as racist and hatefull of Nords becuase they dont like the idea...
      I forgot to mention that if Talos was an Elf;

      1; He would probably not be conquering other Elves...


      Even though I disagree with you, I applaud you for triple parenthesis.

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    • The Elves are worse then the humans on the simple fact they think they are better when they are just as bad, The nords know they hate elves, they admit it, but they dont mask there hate and elf killing behind religion.

      Seconed, the elves lost their land because they couldnt control it, they made to many enemys and they where overpowered. As harsh as it sounds they deserved to lose their lands for their actions and enslavement of "lower races". I dont recall Nords putting others into slavery, Its wrong what happend to races like the snow elves, but most people dont like others acting like they are better then they are because of race and race alone. That and Altmora was freezing over, the Humans needed to move or die, and since they hated the elves for killing them already, they had a even better reason to take over.

      They are just as racist, just as wrong in their actions (past and present), but ive seen more nords admit this then elves, and ignorance adds to what prevents them from being "better"

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    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      The Elves are worse then the humans on the simple fact they think they are better when they are just as bad, The nords know they hate elves, they admit it, but they dont mask there hate and elf killing behind religion.

      Seconed, the elves lost their land because they couldnt control it, they made to many enemys and they where overpowered. As harsh as it sounds they deserved to lose their lands for their actions and enslavement of "lower races". I dont recall Nords putting others into slavery, Its wrong what happend to races like the snow elves, but most people dont like others acting like they are better then they are because of race and race alone. That and Altmora was freezing over, the Humans needed to move or die, and since they hated the elves for killing them already, they had a even better reason to take over.

      They are just as racist, just as wrong in their actions (past and present), but ive seen more nords admit this then elves, and ignorance adds to what prevents them from being "better"

      I do see your point about the admitance, but I personally believe that the actions of Nords toward not only the Dunmer (who are not with the Dominion, but just being Elves is enough to treat them like Hagraven toe-jam), but to the Argonians and Kahjiit, and even Imperials, Bretons, and Redguards, outweighs the violence and narcissism of the Thalmor.

      On a side note, I also think that it's slightly unfair to say "Elves", or even "Aldmeri Dominion" when refering to the misdeeds of the ruling-class Thalmor, many Elves (even in the Dominon) want nothing to do with the humans, and don't care about the wars.

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    • StormKhajiit wrote:

      Even though I disagree with you, I applaud you for triple parenthesis.

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    • My point about admiting they are wrong is based on my view that a man can do less wrong if he admits he is not perfect. The elves see themselves as gods chosen, and the those who are not are little more then children who should be enslaved or killed.

      It may be a weak argument, but i stand by it.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions, due to the fact that Nords see an Altmer, and think "ALTMUR = THALMUR = DUSNT LIKE TALOS = KIL KIL KIL!!!", whereas...
      First off what are you smoking? Secondly what reason do they have to ban someone else's religion? They could have banned it in the Dominion but across Tamriel? Hate to burst your bubble kiddo but the Thalmor want...
      The 'N' in Nazi should be capitol. -Grammer Nazi : P
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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions...
      The let me ask you, in the real world, is it ok for a man to murder another over their religion? They are not moral for killing the Nords, they are just as racist and hatefull of Nords becuase they dont like the idea of a human becoming a god. I kid you not they wouldnt hate Talos if he was an elf.

      I forgot to mention that if Talos was an Elf;

      1; He would probably not be conquering other Elves.

      2; The Nords would not worship him.

      3; He would have been called something along the lines of 'Talos, Lord of Slaughter' by the Humans to make the Elves seem like anarchical slaughterers.

      4; If he did conquer the Elves, the Nords worshipped him, and he wasn't 'Talos the Bloody' then the Elves would probably hate him (although I think they would try to depict him as a human(because they are still jerks, like all factions(aside from Orcs)))

      I would like applause for my inclusion of triple parentheses.


      Why do you keep putting Orcs in a special spotlight?

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    • I think everbody can agree that the Thalmor are the scourges of the entire Elder Scrolls Universe all Thalmor deserve to be eridicated one way or another so that Tamriel and all of this planet can rest in peace and all of the races in the Elder Scrolls live happily. Just incase people are unsure of what faction to join (Empire or Stormcloaks) I'll like to point out one thing: the Imperials don't give a fuck about the people of Tamriel anymore. I'd also like to point out the goal of the Stormcloaks, which is to remove the Thalmor and all who follow them. I can count on any Stormcloak controlled zone to be Thalmor free. Ulfric can be High King of Skyrim who cares, but it is the destiny of one who is Dovahkiin to be the emporoer of Tamriel. The game really goes from Martin Septim sacrificing himself to save everybody and everything from Mehunres Dagon and then Tamriel just had voted empoerers. I also have another question why didn't the empeorer have the Amulet of Kings somewhere around his room on the boat you kill him on for the Dark Brotherhood? I know that you cannot put the amulet on in Oblivion but you are not Dragonborn. In another DLC can they add somebody (maybe even the Graybeards) to give you the Amulet of Kings. If you sided with the Stormcloaks I think they would have to have taken back all of Tamriel to crown you empoerer or empress since you have the blood of Talos inside you. If Bethesda adds you to become the empoerer or empress they should do it in a new game or something possible even a large DLC? Please if you do become emperor or empress try not to screw yourself.

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    • WraithWyvern wrote:
      I think everbody can agree that the Thalmor are the scourges of the entire Elder Scrolls Universe all Thalmor deserve to be eridicated one way or another so that Tamriel and all of this planet can rest in peace and all of the races in the Elder Scrolls live happily. Just incase people are unsure of what faction to join (Empire or Stormcloaks) I'll like to point out one thing: the Imperials don't give a fuck about the people of Tamriel anymore. I'd also like to point out the goal of the Stormcloaks, which is to remove the Thalmor and all who follow them. I can count on any Stormcloak controlled zone to be Thalmor free. Ulfric can be High King of Skyrim who cares, but it is the destiny of one who is Dovahkiin to be the emporoer of Tamriel. The game really goes from Martin Septim sacrificing himself to save everybody and everything from Mehunres Dagon and then Tamriel just had voted empoerers. I also have another question why didn't the empeorer have the Amulet of Kings somewhere around his room on the boat you kill him on for the Dark Brotherhood? I know that you cannot put the amulet on in Oblivion but you are not Dragonborn. In another DLC can they add somebody (maybe even the Graybeards) to give you the Amulet of Kings. If you sided with the Stormcloaks I think they would have to have taken back all of Tamriel to crown you empoerer or empress since you have the blood of Talos inside you. If Bethesda adds you to become the empoerer or empress they should do it in a new game or something possible even a large DLC? Please if you do become emperor or empress try not to screw yourself.

      That is the most perfect statement i've ever seen.

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    • The amulet of kings has been destroyed, Martin uses it to become the avatar of Akatosh potentially slamming the doors of oblivion shut forever. What the 4th empire of men will look like should be very interesting, as it will be different from all before.

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    • ODragono wrote:
      Everytime I meet them on the road with a prisoner, I wipe em out and free the prisoner. Thalmor just disgust me... 

      I FREAKING HATE THE THALMOR!! Every few days I (my character that is ) goes to the Thalmor Embasy and I either break in, jump over the fence with a horse and kill evey pointy eared bastard in the courtyard and in the embasy chamber, or I just use the Storm Shout and fry 'em. I really wish there would be more DLC that would continue the storyline with total war against the Thalmor. Anyway, great game and am looking forward to ESO. 

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    • Me too.

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    • On note of the supreme Stormcloak love...The Aldmeri Dominion only started cracking down in Skyrim after the Stormcloaks started ranting about Talos. Originally they caught one or two guys, but never actively searched. Now they have too because of a foolish rebellion. I can understand Stormcloak reasons, but their REASONING is terrible

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    • U.F.B. wrote:

      Why do you keep putting Orcs in a special spotlight?

      Elves are posh, Nords are violent, Orcs are peaceful, Orcs are honorable, Orcs are nice. The only possible thing you could hold against Orcs is that they are Daedra worshippers, but they don't eat other Orcs or sacrifice their first born or anything like that, Orcs are overall good.

      Saying that felt weird, because I also play World of Warcraft as a Night Elf, where the Warsong Orcs are brutal, bloodthirsty, and plain out stupid (I'm adressing you Garrosh! LAG'TUK OGAR!!!), and Night Elves live in a giant tree. You can't be evil if you live in a tree.

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    • Interesting fact;

      "[Elenwen] voice actor is Jean Gilpin, who also lends her voice to Boethiah and Meridia."

      Elenwens' a Daedra!

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    • Orcs ARE elves. Elves are the best at everything.

      We have the Altmer, the most powerful mages.

      The Bosmer, The best archers. (I am a bosmer mage)

      The Orcs, The best Tanks

      The Dunmer, The Destruction masters.

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    • My Reaction to other Factions:

      -Thalmor: Total douchebags that likes to see the Civil War in going.

      -Stormcloak: A racist faction saying Dark Elves are worse like Black People that we are in.

      -Dark Brotherhood: A badass faction that kills everyone for money like a mercenary.

      -Companions: A very heroic brotherhood that some evil people dosen't like to join like members of the Dark Brotherhood.

      -College of Winterhold: A faction that only cares on one thing and does not even care of a Thalmor that tries to destroy Winterhold again, for god sakes.

      -Imperial Legion: A boring faction with strict rules and tries to kill Dragonborn for no reason but crossing teritorries and then saying sorry. Seems Legit.

      -Thieves Guild: A awesome, forever-fun faction that steals inside people's pocket everyday and bankrupting business LIKE A BOSS.

      -Guard: A low price payment job that they wished on fighting dragons and became jealous because all of their cousins are doing it. They are also pissed due to marraige and they never set sail on being a adventurer.

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    • I'm just like Nords

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    • 83.86.100.93 wrote:
      I sort of agree with the Thalmor. Talos was a human, not a god. The annoying thing is, though, that when I meet some Thalmor in the wild I only have the option to say that I worship Talos :/

      Afraid ES Canon disagrees with you. Play Oblivion with DLC. It is only by the divine blessing of Talos that Umaril the Unfeathered is able to be destroyed completely instead of sharing the fate of Pelinal Whitestrake, which was to drop down dead the moment he landed the killing blow on Umaril's mortal form. If Akatosh wants to raise one of his children up into the pantheon who are the Thalmor to argue?

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      U.F.B. wrote:

      Why do you keep putting Orcs in a special spotlight?

      Elves are posh, Nords are violent, Orcs are peaceful, Orcs are honorable, Orcs are nice. The only possible thing you could hold against Orcs is that they are Daedra worshippers, but they don't eat other Orcs or sacrifice their first born or anything like that, Orcs are overall good.

      Saying that felt weird, because I also play World of Warcraft as a Night Elf, where the Warsong Orcs are brutal, bloodthirsty, and plain out stupid (I'm adressing you Garrosh! LAG'TUK OGAR!!!), and Night Elves live in a giant tree. You can't be evil if you live in a tree.

      1. Orcs ARE Elves (OrsiMER)


      2.Nice? Did you forget their ability Beserker?

      3.I once got beat up by an Orc & his Nord friend at Fort Amol, so DEFINITELY NOT NICE (TO ME, AT LEAST)

      For saying "Nords are violent", If your Favorite Divine was shunned, you wouldn't be rainbows & lolipops with unicorns, either.

      So how are they "overall good"?

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    • Just putting this out there. But just because you get a effect from somthing doesn't mean a devine blessed it, I can dis-enchant his amulet and make it stronger. Does that make me a devine? (Yes I know my grammer is bad. I'm just learning english)

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    • 82.23.178.1 wrote: Just putting this out there. But just because you get a effect from somthing doesn't mean a devine blessed it, I can dis-enchant his amulet and make it stronger. Does that make me a devine? (Yes I know my grammer is bad. I'm just learning english)

      No, that just makes you an enchanter. Enchanting an object is very different to a Divine blessing an object. Besides, if getting an effect from an amulet doesn't mean Talos is a Divine, how do you explain getting his blessing if you pray at one of his shrines?

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    • U.F.B. wrote: 1. Orcs ARE Elves (OrsiMER)


      2.Nice? Did you forget their ability Beserker?

      3.I once got beat up by an Orc & his Nord friend at Fort Amol, so DEFINITELY NOT NICE (TO ME, AT LEAST)

      For saying "Nords are violent", If your Favorite Divine was shunned, you wouldn't be rainbows & lolipops with unicorns, either.

      So how are they "overall good"?

      to 3, I guess I should have said Tribal Orcs, but it was implied that I was refering to them as a faction. To 2, nice people can go beserk when in combat, berserk means "Wild and frenzied". To the unnumbered 4, the entire Nord society is based on honor ang glory in battle, "May you die with a sword in your hands". And to 1, I fell into my own trap; "'I also think that it's slightly unfair to say "Elves", or even "Aldmeri Dominion" when refering to the misdeeds of the ruling-class Thalmor" I should have said Thalmor for the posh.

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    • Sgt. S.S. wrote:

      82.23.178.1 wrote: Just putting this out there. But just because you get a effect from somthing doesn't mean a devine blessed it, I can dis-enchant his amulet and make it stronger. Does that make me a devine? (Yes I know my grammer is bad. I'm just learning english)

      No, that just makes you an enchanter. Enchanting an object is very different to a Divine blessing an object. Besides, if getting an effect from an amulet doesn't mean Talos is a Divine, how do you explain getting his blessing if you pray at one of his shrines?

      People are just ignorant. Even with fiction religion they can't accept new gods it's ridiculous. I really want to know what bothers people so much about that way of thinking.


      And holy crap there was a lot of posts here since I was asleep.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      To the unnumbered 4, the entire Nord society is based on honor ang glory in battle, "May you die with a sword in your hands".

      you do realize that Tribal orcs live of the lifestyle that only the strongest can carry on their bloodline.

      sounds nice to me, Let me kill my father, but if my brother kills him before I do, I have to kill him, if I fail to kill my father/brother I am not allowed to marry and have children, unable to have children I am meaningless to the stronghold, if I leave my stronghold my brother/father might not let me return.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:

      you do realize that Tribal orcs live of the lifestyle that only the strongest can carry on their bloodline.

      sounds nice to me, Let me kill my father, but if my brother kills him before I do, I have to kill him, if I fail to kill my father/brother I am not allowed to marry and have children, unable to have children I am meaningless to the stronghold, if I leave my stronghold my brother/father might not let me return.

      But they are happy with it, and they don't impose it on outsiders.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:

      you do realize that Tribal orcs live of the lifestyle that only the strongest can carry on their bloodline.

      sounds nice to me, Let me kill my father, but if my brother kills him before I do, I have to kill him, if I fail to kill my father/brother I am not allowed to marry and have children, unable to have children I am meaningless to the stronghold, if I leave my stronghold my brother/father might not let me return.

      But they are happy with it, and they don't impose it on outsiders.

      So? You think the Altmer will let that tradition carry on if they take over Tamriel? If the Altmer can ban a god what makes you think they won't take over every other species' lives.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:

      you do realize that Tribal orcs live of the lifestyle that only the strongest can carry on their bloodline.

      sounds nice to me, Let me kill my father, but if my brother kills him before I do, I have to kill him, if I fail to kill my father/brother I am not allowed to marry and have children, unable to have children I am meaningless to the stronghold, if I leave my stronghold my brother/father might not let me return.

      But they are happy with it, and they don't impose it on outsiders.

      A villain who is happy with their villany is still a villain.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:

      you do realize that Tribal orcs live of the lifestyle that only the strongest can carry on their bloodline.

      sounds nice to me, Let me kill my father, but if my brother kills him before I do, I have to kill him, if I fail to kill my father/brother I am not allowed to marry and have children, unable to have children I am meaningless to the stronghold, if I leave my stronghold my brother/father might not let me return.

      But they are happy with it, and they don't impose it on outsiders.
      A villain who is happy with their villany is still a villain.

      How is that evil even in the least sense of the word?

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    • I wasn't saying they're villains, just saying that being happy with what they do isn't going to make it better.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      I wasn't saying they're villains, just saying that being happy with what they do isn't going to make it better.

      Ah ok i see xD

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      184.0.137.132 wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:

      you do realize that Tribal orcs live of the lifestyle that only the strongest can carry on their bloodline.

      sounds nice to me, Let me kill my father, but if my brother kills him before I do, I have to kill him, if I fail to kill my father/brother I am not allowed to marry and have children, unable to have children I am meaningless to the stronghold, if I leave my stronghold my brother/father might not let me return.

      But they are happy with it, and they don't impose it on outsiders.
      A villain who is happy with their villany is still a villain.

      It's like saying the Japanese were evil for ritual suicide, a critical part of their culture.

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    • 184.0.137.132 wrote:

      It's like saying the Japanese were evil for ritual suicide, a critical part of their culture.

      1. it's not the same because one doesn't involve murdering your father/brother.

      2. Now you're just being a hypocrite. Orcs are awesome and can do no wrong because it's their culture, Yet Nords, who's culture revolves around having to prove themselves in battle so they can go to a warriors paradise in their afterlife, are just plain evil because; AND I QUOTE,

      184.0.137.132 wrote:

      Nords are violent, Orcs are peaceful, Orcs are honorable, Orcs are nice.


      184.0.137.132 wrote:

      U.F.B. wrote: For saying "Nords are violent", If your Favorite Divine was shunned, you wouldn't be rainbows & lolipops with unicorns, either.

      To the unnumbered 4, the entire Nord society is based on honor ang glory in battle, "May you die with a sword in your hands".

      Just say you like Orcs, don't come up with some bulshit trying to convince us that your favorite race is better than all the others.

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    • Pink Slim,

      1. It's similar in the fact that it's considered barbaric, but it's a part of their culture that doesn't interfere with anyone else. How about if you instead imagine a culture where people execute their father when they turn 70? That is almost exactly what the Tribal Orcs do, challenge their father to an honorable battle when they are unfit to lead, so that the Orcs can remain strong.

      2. Nords wage war on other civilizations largely because they would rather die with glory than forget their pride for a few seconds in order to coexist.

      3. Unlike most people on the planet, I want to give my opinion as a theory, with evidence to back it up. I want facts to go with my theory so I may convince others to like the Thalmor/Tribal Orcs. Do I convince more people with

      A. THE THALMOR ARE GOOD!

      or B. Or 

      "I honestly think that the Thalmor are far more moral than most other factions, due to the fact that Nords see an Altmer, and think "ALTMUR = THALMUR = DUSNT LIKE TALOS = KIL KIL KIL!!!", whereas the Thalmor let the Nords live (and with relative freedom). And besides, the Thalmor have a great reason to ban Talos worship. I wish you could (legitimately) join the Thalmor, and for role-playing every non-rouge character I've made is in the Thalmor."

      And I know that's talking about Thalmor, my Orc comments are spread out.

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    • 1.  Japanese ritual suicide was and still is about honor, like the nords with war, the Orcs killing their leaders isn't anything like euthanizing the elderly who can't live on their own, one involves a person who is not beneficial to survival and the other involves either killing someone or making yourself unbeneficial.

      2. Nords are not against Coexistance, they're against giving up their honor and way of life, the reason they started most of their wars was because someone threatend that.

      Like the Thalmor and empire in their current civil war, or the Falmer destroying a peacful nord city because they were thought of as animals, which caused the angry survivors(Ysgramor/Ahzidal) to return to atmora to raise an army that would avenge the fallen.

      3. same as with #2, except 3a. they don't equate Altmer to Thalmor (if they did that altmer in windhelm wouldn't say how she's treated better than the dunmer)  3b. Thalmor aren't equated to hates talos, or even wants to ban talos, they're equated with wants to change the way they live 3c. again you're being a hypocrite saying ALTMUR =\= THALMOR, but at the same time you're basically saying NURDS=STRUMCLOCKS=KLISS ALTMURS

      if you want to give evidence about why your theories are sound, then say something about the Hypocracies, don't just ignore it and move on.

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    • Back on topic, I think its important to note that the elves may just be taking revenge on Talos/Tiber Septim. The first Almderi Dominion(Second if you count ESO) formed 60 years before Tiber Septim begins his conquests. The Thalmor had just began to reunify the continent and Tiber Septim comes along and ruins that. They are not so much psychos as kings forced to submit to a greater force, can you blame them for wanting to reclaim what they see as their birth right?

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    • You know it's interesting to read your guy's theories and all but...you do realize Bethesda is making the Thalmor the main enemy in the series for a reason right? In the end there is no theory the developers, the people who came up with the game, are making it happen that way. If you can't accept that then oh well. The best you can do is just play TES Online & side with the Dominion side just to make yourself happy.


      @Banneram - And? Even if they were to be taking revenge that is completely foolish. One of the 8 Aedra Divines would have intervened somehow if they didn't want Tiber to conquer all of Tamriel. I'm sure even the Thalmor know this & want to take out their frustration for the continuance of the Divines not favoring them (Which they won't, ever, so long as the Altmer keep thinking they deserve to rule over everyone else just because they believe they are a higher species). Trust me Tiber did not stop their country from being unified and in all honesty Tiber would've wanted that anyways seeing as he helped unify Hammerfell by aiding the losing faction. All Tiber did was told them to live under the law of the Empire not lose their way of life. And really how do you believe that he "ruined" the unification of the Dominion? Who won the last great war? It was the Dominion which they couldn't have pulled off if they hadn't been unified.

      And reclaim? Do you even realize the humans HAD to take that land because were they were before was becoming inhabitable. Then they remembered the Elves land, which the Elves had attacked humanity quite a few times before these events unfolded, and decided to finally strike back at the elves with their full might. Honestly I don't care what race anyone is in war. If you think about that crap you're going to die or be counted as a sympathizer for the enemies. The only thing that matters is the aftermath: as long as the humans didn't enslave the elves (which they did not nor did they force them to abandon any religion) then it has nothing to do with what race they are. The only difference now is, I hope all you Elf lovers see this, that the Thalmor are banning a religion and restricting the lives of humans. How is this even acceptable when the Empire didn't do that to them? Much less they didn't even put Empire soldiers into the Sunset Isles but it's ok for the Dominion to thrust all of their propaganda into the Empire's lands & Skyrim?

      I honestly don't get why people support a fake race over a human based race. I mean I some what get it I love the Argonians to death but if they pulled this crap on the human races of Tamriel I would utterly destroy every army they would have. I take pride in the fact I'm human even in a game's setting/lore (Even though normally I don't care for pride).

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      1.  Japanese ritual suicide was and still is about honor, like the nords with war, the Orcs killing their leaders isn't anything like euthanizing the elderly who can't live on their own, one involves a person who is not beneficial to survival and the other involves either killing someone or making yourself unbeneficial.

      2. Nords are not against Coexistance, they're against giving up their honor and way of life, the reason they started most of their wars was because someone threatend that.

      Like the Thalmor and empire in their current civil war, or the Falmer destroying a peacful nord city because they were thought of as animals, which caused the angry survivors(Ysgramor/Ahzidal) to return to atmora to raise an army that would avenge the fallen.

      3. same as with #2, except 3a. they don't equate Altmer to Thalmor (if they did that altmer in windhelm wouldn't say how she's treated better than the dunmer)  3b. Thalmor aren't equated to hates talos, or even wants to ban talos, they're equated with wants to change the way they live 3c. again you're being a hypocrite saying ALTMUR =\= THALMOR, but at the same time you're basically saying NURDS=STRUMCLOCKS=KLISS ALTMURS

      if you want to give evidence about why your theories are sound, then say something about the Hypocracies, don't just ignore it and move on.

      1. Just nevermind, believe that the Tribal Orcs are horrible because they have a ritual to become the new Chief. But first, one last thing; "*Every Chief* became the leader of this stronghold after he had slain his father, the previous chief, in single combat as he was too old and weak to continue ruling the tribe." - Wikia page on most Orc Chiefs.

      2. I was more refering to the invasion of the Falmer, then the conquering of the Dominion.

      3. They do, the Altmer in Windhelm is yet another hole in the plot. Amuming the people in the game have the same basic sense of logic as humans on earth, then why do they think the Dunmer (who have no part in the war) are more of a threat than the Altmer (who belongs to a race which belongs to the faction that they are fighting against)? And they want to change the way that the Nords live by banning Talos. But I agree with the Nord thing, I (again) should have said Troo Suns an' Doturs o' Sky-Reem. But the troo suns an' doturs o' sky-reem do = kliss altmurs.


      And UnbornCorpser (not trying to start yet another argument) some people like other races more than humans because they do not relate the in-game Humans with the in-life Humans. I see them as yet another fictional race (because every Human on Tamriel is fictional), and it greatly widens my perspective and lets me think of them as them, instead of us.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      1.  Japanese ritual suicide was and still is about honor, like the nords with war, the Orcs killing their leaders isn't anything like euthanizing the elderly who can't live on their own, one involves a person who is not beneficial to survival and the other involves either killing someone or making yourself unbeneficial.

      2. Nords are not against Coexistance, they're against giving up their honor and way of life, the reason they started most of their wars was because someone threatend that.

      Like the Thalmor and empire in their current civil war, or the Falmer destroying a peacful nord city because they were thought of as animals, which caused the angry survivors(Ysgramor/Ahzidal) to return to atmora to raise an army that would avenge the fallen.

      3. same as with #2, except 3a. they don't equate Altmer to Thalmor (if they did that altmer in windhelm wouldn't say how she's treated better than the dunmer)  3b. Thalmor aren't equated to hates talos, or even wants to ban talos, they're equated with wants to change the way they live 3c. again you're being a hypocrite saying ALTMUR =\= THALMOR, but at the same time you're basically saying NURDS=STRUMCLOCKS=KLISS ALTMURS

      if you want to give evidence about why your theories are sound, then say something about the Hypocracies, don't just ignore it and move on.

      I think you only like Nords. Orcs have a tradition of battling each other for rank of cheif. 

      You think: URCS=MURDURORZ  NURDZ=GUUD

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    • Nords and Orcs are tied for my fourth favorite race, I'm not against the Orc Culture, just his terrible argument.

      Bretons are first and Khajiit are second.

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    • Is it really necessary to revert to semi-comprehendable gibberish to get your points across?

      Falmer can hardly be considered a viable counterpart to the Altmer as they are utterly uncompareable as the Falmer want to kill everything on the surface world (loading screen). Niranye's presence in Windhelm merely goes to prove the unfounded nature of all the 'Nords/Stormcloaks are so rascist' as she is a long standing and trusted resident of Windhelm.

      Also the Altmer and Thalmor are not the same the latter being a subsction of the former, thus the Altmer as a whole species cannot be lumped as 'Anti-Talos', however the fact that the Nords regard the Altmer in Skyrim as Thalmor because the vast majority of Altmer in Skyrim are Thalmor due to their pseudo-occpation.

      P.s. Chill the Frick out people who cares what the Orcs do? Get back on topic!

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    • Topic has been already discussed by a very lengthy chat.

      It's not just pure racism like you said but Nords in general, even before they took over Skyrim for themselves and eventually the majority of Tamriel, had been under assault by elves. They've got a general disliking for elves and that will most likely never change.

      The Thalmor themselves just need to man up (same with the Empire) and fight to the death. Wipe out either faction completely but I doubt the Thalmor will win seeing as Bethesda themselves are potraying the Thalmor as the main enemy (Plus many other nations don't agree with the Concordant like Black Marsh; Hammerfell; Skyrim; etc). In the end the Thalmor will lose because if they won instead it would make the majority of characters in towns beastfolk & elves which that doesn't sit well with sales. Most people who purchased Oblivion & Skyrim (Even if they didn't beat it fully or keep it) play as a human species.

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    • Wallac wrote:

      Falmer can hardly be considered a viable counterpart to the Altmer as they are utterly uncompareable as the Falmer want to kill everything on the surface world (loading screen). 

      In the context (being a people the Nords were fighting with) it meant the Falmer before they went blind, or the Snow Elves.

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    • Gods above! will everybody stop arguing and agree that we all hate the Thalmor? Or at the very least, make the argument polite....

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    • King is right, if this armument gets out of hand, wikia staff will be forced to step in.  While we have not gone far out of line, lets try to stay on topic, stay polite, and remember that at the end of the day, there is no reason to get upset over a game.

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    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      King is right, if this armument gets out of hand, wikia staff will be forced to step in.  While we have not gone far out of line, lets try to stay on topic, stay polite, and remember that at the end of the day, there is no reason to get upset over a game.

      I don't believe anyone is upset. And the topic of this thread is the Thalmor which to an extent most of these posts are about.


      @ King ~ That won't happen (referring towards everyone agreeing on hating the Thalmor). Especially since some that posted in here like them.

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    • just wondering why we're all argue too seriously just because different opinions for a game

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    • I hate the Thalmor but TESO states Khajiit are AD.... We all hate Thalmor. I might be a wood elf...

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    • J'zindar wrote:
      I hate the Thalmor but TESO states Khajiit are AD.... We all hate Thalmor. I might be a wood elf...

      Khajiit are AD in Skyrim aswell. So are the Bosmer, in both games.

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    • BryanNK wrote:
      just wondering why we're all argue too seriously just because different opinions for a game

      When people really love the lore of something, even fiction, it can get into a heated discussion. That's nothing new but some worry the next ES game might be vastly different from what they would want or so on. I sometimes think like that but Bethesda has never let me down in a games quality so I believe they can pull of the best way to continue the lore (even if some don't like it).

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    • BryanNK wrote:
      just wondering why we're all argue too seriously just because different opinions for a game

      I think its great that people argue about the lore. Yeah its their own opinions, but they care about it so much that they'll defend it. I think it shows how well Bethesda has evolved the game in the past 19 years. 

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    • There is nothing wrong with armuments as long as they are done right, so far i dont think anybody has gone to far, im just trying to prevent that.

      Oh, and Erik, keep in mind that even though the Bosmer are a part of the AD in skyrim, alot of them do not like it because of how the Thalmor took control. the first AD i think was better then the current one, the old one was founded to protect, the newer one was created to control and enslave. but thats just my thought on it, i might be wrong.

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    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      There is nothing wrong with armuments as long as they are done right, so far i dont think anybody has gone to far, im just trying to prevent that.

      Oh, and Erik, keep in mind that even though the Bosmer are a part of the AD in skyrim, alot of them do not like it because of how the Thalmor took control. the first AD i think was better then the current one, the old one was founded to protect, the newer one was created to control and enslave. but thats just my thought on it, i might be wrong.

      All I know is that the Thalmor treat the Bosmer like crap almost like slaves & forced them into the Dominion's control without option. The Khajiit & Bosmer are cannon fodder for the Thalmor to throw at the Empire in the next war.

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    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      There is nothing wrong with armuments as long as they are done right, so far i dont think anybody has gone to far, im just trying to prevent that.

      Oh, and Erik, keep in mind that even though the Bosmer are a part of the AD in skyrim, alot of them do not like it because of how the Thalmor took control. the first AD i think was better then the current one, the old one was founded to protect, the newer one was created to control and enslave. but thats just my thought on it, i might be wrong.

      Thought the first AD were the Aldmeri who came to Tamriel from Aldmeris before the founding of the first Epire, and the second and third ones were founded just to wage war against the race of men? I dont doubt the first one was good, seems like the Aldmeri weren't actually that bad, but the groups that splintered off of them, Ayleids(ended up being Altmer?), original Falmer and Dwemer, were the one who saw men as lesser beings.

      I may have just said exactly what you did, its more of a clarification than an opposing opinion xD

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    • I don't know who to quote on this, but "We all" do not hate the Thalmor, I (to a very limited extend) like them, and I know several who do. The opinion of most people is not the opinion of all. Just pointing it out.

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    • Also, who thinks the Thalmor had anything to do with the Moons disappearing and reappearing? Personally I think they jumped at the chance to get the Khajiit back into the AD peacefully, and just pulled a "Yeah sure... it was us." Either that, or they made the moons disappear in the first place. Whatever it was I dont think it was good!

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    • I don't know if anyone actually said "we all hate the Thalmor"

      but most of us do hate the thalmor, though I respect your opinions, I have reasons to be on the opposing side in the argument.

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    • J'zindar wrote:
      I hate the Thalmor but TESO states Khajiit are AD.... We all hate Thalmor. 

      I dont like the AD but I guess either Khajiit or Orc. If orcs are playable.

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    • Erik Torvaldson wrote:
      Also, who thinks the Thalmor had anything to do with the Moons disappearing and reappearing? Personally I think they jumped at the chance to get the Khajiit back into the AD peacefully, and just pulled a "Yeah sure... it was us." Either that, or they made the moons disappear in the first place. Whatever it was I dont think it was good!

      I believe that theory is "shit". Why would they waste that kind of power, if they had it, just to get the Khajiit to join them? What other benefits would the moons give the Dominion? They could have just as easily forged a fake letter from the Empire stating that they were planning on making Khajiit slaves or something. The moons disppearance was caused by something/someone we don't know of yet.

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Erik Torvaldson wrote:
      Also, who thinks the Thalmor had anything to do with the Moons disappearing and reappearing? Personally I think they jumped at the chance to get the Khajiit back into the AD peacefully, and just pulled a "Yeah sure... it was us." Either that, or they made the moons disappear in the first place. Whatever it was I dont think it was good!
      I believe that theory is "shit". Why would they waste that kind of power, if they had it, just to get the Khajiit to join them? What other benefits would the moons give the Dominion? They could have just as easily forged a fake letter from the Empire stating that they were planning on making Khajiit slaves or something. The moons disppearance was caused by something/someone we don't know of yet.

      Probably the traitor Lizards. (No offense UselessArgonianMage :p)

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Erik Torvaldson wrote:
      Also, who thinks the Thalmor had anything to do with the Moons disappearing and reappearing? Personally I think they jumped at the chance to get the Khajiit back into the AD peacefully, and just pulled a "Yeah sure... it was us." Either that, or they made the moons disappear in the first place. Whatever it was I dont think it was good!
      I believe that theory is "shit". Why would they waste that kind of power, if they had it, just to get the Khajiit to join them? What other benefits would the moons give the Dominion? They could have just as easily forged a fake letter from the Empire stating that they were planning on making Khajiit slaves or something. The moons disppearance was caused by something/someone we don't know of yet.

      I highly doubt that. You think the Khajiit are stupid enough to believe the Empire would enslave them, considering slavery is pretty much illegal everywhere except Morrowind? (dont think its techincally illegal in the Empire, but its not readily practiced outside Morrowind) Saying the thalmor had the power to make the moons reappear, but -totally- didnt have anything to do with them disappearing in the first place is straight naive. The Thalmor are not good people, if they had the ability to make the moons appear, then you can bet your ass they made them disappear. However, you seemed to just ignore my first theory that they had absolutly nothing to do with it and just lied to the Khajiit.

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    • I think it was confirmed that they had nothing to do with either disapearance or return of the moons, but like with the oblivion event, they just took credit because it would give them power.

      and yeah, I would never believe that they would make them disappear or reapear for any reason, they're not really useful.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      I think it was confirmed that they had nothing to do with either disapearance or return of the moons, but like with the oblivion event, they just took credit because it would give them power.

      and yeah, I would never believe that they would make them disappear or reapear for any reason, they're not really useful.

      I think if they had the power to make them disappear and reappear, they would use it every time the Khajiit started to question them. But yeah, either they had nothing to do with any part of it, or they had something to do with every part of it. Guess its the liar part, which is better than the second option I guess

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    • personally, if I were them, and I could remove the moons and put them back, I'd first remove the moons, then say either the empire, or talos worshippers, caused the moons to disappear, and that they would just remove the moons again when they bring them back, so they can fight even harder, to destroy the people who are stealing their moons.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      personally, if I were them, and I could remove the moons and put them back, I'd first remove the moons, then say either the empire, or talos worshippers, caused the moons to disappear, and that they would just remove the moons again when they bring them back, so they can fight even harder, to destroy the people who are stealing their moons.

      I don't know what took the moons, but I think the Thalmor had an at least small knowledge of the moons going away, and when they saw how it was affecting the Khajiit they capatalized on the oppertunity, and when they came back, they told the Khajiit (and maybe with fake proof) they brought them back, Look I have no clue what the hell the Thalmor was doing when it happened, Maybe they really took them? Maybe they knew it was going to happen? I don't know, but I think that they had a lot more going on in that time period, a lot more than paperwork or stamping out Talos worshipers.......

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    • King of Skyrim wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:
      personally, if I were them, and I could remove the moons and put them back, I'd first remove the moons, then say either the empire, or talos worshippers, caused the moons to disappear, and that they would just remove the moons again when they bring them back, so they can fight even harder, to destroy the people who are stealing their moons.
      I don't know what took the moons, but I think the Thalmor had an at least small knowledge of the moons going away, and when they saw how it was affecting the Khajiit they capatalized on the oppertunity, and when they came back, they told the Khajiit (and maybe with fake proof) they brought them back, Look I have no clue what the hell the Thalmor was doing when it happened, Maybe they really took them? Maybe they knew it was going to happen? I don't know, but I think that they had a lot more going on in that time period, a lot more than paperwork or stamping out Talos worshipers.......

      Why does no one point out this one important, most likely true, information? The two "moons" are Lorkhan's halves. Seeing as his heart was found in the planet I highly believe this to be true. So anyone who believes that the Altmer have the ability to use magick that can reach off of their planet millions of miles up to both of the "moons", which used to be part of an all powerful Aedra, and make them disappear then reappear is completely illogical. The only species that was smart enough to mess with Aedra(God) remains was the dwemer. All they did was mess with a heart in front of them but the moons are some quite distance away. Plus if they did remove the "moons" why the hell would they return them seeing as both moons are getting closer to planet which will eventually end in collision and death for all including the Altmer. They did not remove or return them.


      The only possibility of the Altmer knew it was going to happen is if one of the important persons from their country made a deal with a Daedra for them to make it happen. That way they could perfectly time it that is the only theory, which would be including the Altmer in it, I would believe. That or an Elder Scroll was used to see it happening before it did & when they would return.

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    • Wait a second. Elenwen shares voice actor with Boethiah and Meridia. And she survived the attack at Helgen.

      Therefore, wild mass guessing, Elenwen is an avatar of Meridia and a dragon cultist.

      The avatar part explains her being around long enough for there to be a sorceress with the same name during Morrowind, the voice, the high-and-mighty attitude (and why she's an Altmer. Meridia may have been kicked out of wherever the Magna Ge were, so she's going to go with what descended most directly from the aedra set, if aurorans are just plain not going to work for long-term disguise), the annoyingness (Meridia is so annoying that dragons will show up out of nowhere and throw around her ball of light like a dog to a beach ball, in a futile attempt to make her shut up), and the general importance but in an alien manner (Elenwen is First Emissary, Meridia is a daedric prince, Elenwen's insistence on being at the ceasefire meeting but leaving if asked, Meridia handing over dawnbreaker regardless of if you go along with her plans for getting worshippers). Etc. etc. There is little proof beyond personality and a same-name, but if Sanguine can manifest despite whatever barriers protect Tamriel in general, and Meridia could do the beachball of light, she could do it. No proof here, as she mentions nothing about the Dawnbreaker quest at any point, and does not make it a life point to beat the oblivion out of any undead or necromancers she sees.

      For the dragon cultist part, she walks out of Helgen without the slightest injury IN GAME (Isn't it on the trivia page she can be found exiting Helgen), despite the fact everyone else ran away earlier (Including recurring NPCs major and minor) or died through various means about/related to Alduin showing up and trashing the execution scene. If Elenwen the evil cultist was old enough (What is to say Meridia can't stalk events so long as they take place in a bright enough or relatively energized or if-it's-in-view-of-the-sky-so-that-Kyne-could-look-at-it place as opposed to somewhere dark where other princes will listen?) to have been around when the dragons were in charge of Skyrim (read: before Alduin got kicked through an Elder Scroll and ejected into a later time, or as he was being ejected through time), she would have wanted to be with the ruling parties from the time it looked like it was about to take over the world to the point where it's collapsing like Rome. If Alduin popped back into existence, Elenwen could just say "Hail, firstborn of Akatosh!" in extremely accented dragon language or something, fire around some harmless light magics, say a few words of power to catch up, and claim she was fighting off a hostile dragon with experimental and/or ancient magics designed to fight off dragons, should a reasonably high-ranked not-disposable survivor of the attack at Helgen inquire about what exactly she was doing while the Dragonborn was escaping through the dungeon. Again, no proof here, but we have no idea what happened between "Elenwen talks to General Tullius" and "Elenwen walks out of the destroyed Helgen physically fine."

      As to why Elenwen doesn't use anything specific to a dragon priest or use any words of power at all, Meridia is no dragonborn and any actual thu'um she uses would be at best things she would have her sphere of influence in, and most of the time there are more convenient and quiet spells you can cast if you want to light up an area, and breathing fire is just not sophisticated. And again, if she was going to be all blatant, she'd have fancy masks on display, use unique or rare battle staves, draw out Dawnbreaker of all weapons if forced into combat, and breathe fire like a professional fire-breathing dragon, so there is almost no solid support for this theory.

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    • SaigyouAyakashi wrote:
      Wait a second. Elenwen shares voice actor with Boethiah and Meridia. And she survived the attack at Helgen.

      Therefore, wild mass guessing, Elenwen is an avatar of Meridia and a dragon cultist...

      Very unlikely... But still a very good theroy....

      It explains so much!!!

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    • ^ Seems way to far fetched.

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    • I hate the Thalmor for 2 reasons. (Apologies in advance for swearing)

      1. They are evil people who were mad that Skyrim was minding its own business and decided to fuck with that balance. Eradicating the Thalmor is one of the ideas for another DLC I wanted to see (Another being actual Nightingale quests). I hope The Elder Scrolls VI will allow us to go destroy the Thalmor because they are essentially Nazis. They are the main reason I don't want to join the Empire because the Empire is "supported" by the Thalmor. The Thalmor, in real life, would be akin to Germany(pre WWII) messing with Russia to the point where Russia had a civil war over Judaism, then supporting the Anti-Semetic side. They are a bunch of Elven Supremacists(yep, had to make up a new term for them), with no redeemable qualities. Hell, even the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild has rules and morals.

      2. They thought that sending one random Khajiit would be enough to kill me?! I was seriously offended by that. I stormed the Thalmor Embassy and killed everyone inside by myself and they thought they could kill me with one random Khajiit with a steel dagger(No offense to any Khajiit Dovahkiin). Fuck that, I should hate them out of principle for that.

      But, yeah, I'd be happy if we could destroy the Thalmor. If The Elder Scrolls Online or The Elder Scrolls VI lets us do that, I'd play the shit out of that game.

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    • SaigyouAyakashi wrote:
      Wait a second. Elenwen shares voice actor with Boethiah and Meridia. And she survived the attack at Helgen.

      Therefore, wild mass guessing, Elenwen is an avatar of Meridia and a dragon cultist...

      1)What does sharing the same voice actor have to do with anything in the game's lore?

      2)So did G. Tullius & his second in command so are they avatars of an Aedra or Daedra?

      It sounds....interesting but I highly doubt it seeing as Altmer blame most Aedra, especially Lorkhan, for being trapped/born as mortals instead of Aedra. I'm sure they have even more ill-feelings towards Daedra. Plus Bethesda would've made that more noticeable if it was true.

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    • Well,the reason i HATE the thalmor so moch is not because they ban worship of talos or do inhuman torture to their prisoners,the thing that makes me want to throw them to Oblivion is because they are ungrateful bastards they thought that they saved Tamriel from the Oblivion Crisis but of course that is wrong,even though they did close many Oblivion Gates the Hero of Kvatch and Martin Septim are the ones who really saved Tamriel.

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    • Gunshot Pheonix wrote:
      I hate the Thalmor for 2 reasons. (Apologies in advance for swearing)

      1. They are evil people who were mad that Skyrim was minding its own business and decided to fuck with that balance. Eradicating the Thalmor is one of the ideas for another DLC I wanted to see (Another being actual Nightingale quests). I hope The Elder Scrolls VI will allow us to go destroy the Thalmor because they are essentially Nazis. They are the main reason I don't want to join the Empire because the Empire is "supported" by the Thalmor. The Thalmor, in real life, would be akin to Germany(pre WWII) messing with Russia to the point where Russia had a civil war over Judaism, then supporting the Anti-Semetic side. They are a bunch of Elven Supremacists(yep, had to make up a new term for them), with no redeemable qualities. Hell, even the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild has rules and morals.

      2. They thought that sending one random Khajiit would be enough to kill me?! I was seriously offended by that. I stormed the Thalmor Embassy and killed everyone inside by myself and they thought they could kill me with one random Khajiit with a steel dagger(No offense to any Khajiit Dovahkiin). Fuck that, I should hate them out of principle for that.

      But, yeah, I'd be happy if we could destroy the Thalmor. If The Elder Scrolls Online or The Elder Scrolls VI lets us do that, I'd play the shit out of that game.

      The Thalmor wern't around in TESO, its like 1,000 years before Skyrim or something...

      Maybe we'll get the chance in TES VI?

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    • Legate Argus Dragonborn wrote:
      Well,the reason i HATE the thalmor so moch is not because they ban worship of talos or do inhuman torture to their prisoners,the thing that makes me want to throw them to Oblivion is because they are ungrateful bastards they thought that they saved Tamriel from the Oblivion Crisis but of course that is wrong,even though they did close many Oblivion Gates the Hero of Kvatch and Martin Septim are the ones who really saved Tamriel.

      Them banning someone else's religion or doing inhumane torture doesn't bother you or have you hate them? You have a very different out look on life then (even if this is a game).

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    • UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Legate Argus Dragonborn wrote:
      Well,the reason i HATE the thalmor so moch is not because they ban worship of talos or do inhuman torture to their prisoners,the thing that makes me want to throw them to Oblivion is because they are ungrateful bastards they thought that they saved Tamriel from the Oblivion Crisis but of course that is wrong,even though they did close many Oblivion Gates the Hero of Kvatch and Martin Septim are the ones who really saved Tamriel.
      Them banning someone else's religion or doing inhumane torture doesn't bother you or have you hate them? You have a very different out look on life then (even if this is a game).

      well of course Genocide, Torture and oppression are nothing on the moral scale compared to lying.

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    • Legate Argus Dragonborn wrote:
      Well,the reason i HATE the thalmor so moch is not because they ban worship of talos or do inhuman torture to their prisoners,the thing that makes me want to throw them to Oblivion is because they are ungrateful bastards they thought that they saved Tamriel from the Oblivion Crisis but of course that is wrong,even though they did close many Oblivion Gates the Hero of Kvatch and Martin Septim are the ones who really saved Tamriel.
      • facepalm* Faith in humanity just dropped a little more...
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    • Al Wolf2200 wrote:
      • facepalm* Faith in humanity just dropped a little more...

      Maybe he's a mer.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      UnbornCorpser wrote:
      Legate Argus Dragonborn wrote:
      Well,the reason i HATE the thalmor so moch is not because they ban worship of talos or do inhuman torture to their prisoners,the thing that makes me want to throw them to Oblivion is because they are ungrateful bastards they thought that they saved Tamriel from the Oblivion Crisis but of course that is wrong,even though they did close many Oblivion Gates the Hero of Kvatch and Martin Septim are the ones who really saved Tamriel.
      Them banning someone else's religion or doing inhumane torture doesn't bother you or have you hate them? You have a very different out look on life then (even if this is a game).
      well of course Genocide, Torture and oppression are nothing on the moral scale compared to lying.

      Pshh that ain't got nothing on people hating cake. It isn't a lie damn it! :P

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