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  • I mean, theres is the dark brotherhood, adoring Sithis (or Padomay) but nobody believes in Anu, the closest thing is Auriel or Akatosh. Anyone knows or is just a fail in the lore or anything like " everybody forgot about Anu"?

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    • some beggers in oblivion say something about anu.

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    • Thank god I thought is was just an incredible fail in the lore

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    • yeah they say 'anu bless ye' or something like that.

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    • I think its becuse Sithis Anu and kinda Lorkhan (as he's dead-ish) don't really do anything anymore so most people don't worship them but the Aedra and Daedra still influence events so people worship them.

      Sithis is sort of an exception as being the deity of the void he doesn't have to much.

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    • They Believe in him they just don't worship him I guess...

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    • Kinda stupid, because they are the...wtf they are the everything. So, they adora akatosh for example, because they want him to be more powerful, something like give more likes to a video on youtube? They are divines not youtubers...

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    • 85.87.179.48 wrote:
      ...something like give more likes to a video on youtube? They are divines not youtubers...

      Thats a good way of putting it. In a lot of fiction the gods power is related to how many people believe in them look at the final of Merlin its the same in a lot of anime and i think the Discworld.

      But not so much in TES its more the other way around the more gods do the more the people believe in them.

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    • I know, but I what i was trying to say is, isnt kinda unfair to Anu and Padomay than just because they are not "here" nobody thanks them for the...creation?

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    • The Aedra both had a hand in creation and still have major influences within the world, albeit not directly with mortals.  So it's easy to say that over four eras people have forgotten what Any and Padomay were all about.  The only reason Sithis gets recognition is because of his last interaction with a mortal (the Night Mother) and his afiliation with the Dark Brotherhood.  I imagine in 1E people were more apt to worship these now forgotten gods.

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    • Compare the Tamrielic pantheon with real-world ancient pantheons. In Greek Mythology, there are buckets loads of primordial beings, conciebly more powerful than Zeus, that are not worshipped. Despite Nyx, Erebos, Ouranos, and Pontos being immensely powerful and primordial than their descendant Zeus, they were not worship nearly as much as Zeus. This is because the ancient Greeks believed these protogenoi were less influencial on mankind (the exception may be Gaia). It is stated in the lore that the gods' power is based on how often they interact in human affairs, and Anu doesn't seem to interact with mankind very much at all.



      Anybody else notice Anu shares the name of both a Celtic mother goddess as well as a Mesopotamian Sky god? 

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    • Padomay is worshipped by the argonians.

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    • Would that be beyond the Hist or in conjuction with the Hist?

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    • the hist are revered, but padomay/sithis is worshipped

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    • The hist themselves believe in Padomay, actually it would be more accurate to say that the Argonians follow the Hists lead in acknowledging Padomay.

      Even then its more of a grateful acknowledgment then akin to worship, they see Padomay as the reason for creation whereas Anu was static un-life.

      "In most cultures, Anuiel is honored for his part of the interplay that creates the world, but Sithis is held in highest esteem because he's the one that causes the reaction. Sithis is thus the Original Creator, an entity who intrinsically causes change without design. Even the hist acknowledge this being." "The Monomyth"

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    • Well I have no way of proving this but at the end of no one escapes cidna mine if siding with the forsworn you get the armor of the old gods so the old gods might mean anu/padomay but everyone thinks the forsworn are phsycotic monkeys and don't let them believe in them so it might be the same thing as talos everyone worships them but just doesen't show it because people would think they are forsworn.

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    • Isn't Auriel the sun and the "soul" of Anu?

      Also the responsable for creation is Sithis (Padomay) when he fought with Anu but I don't think those were hes intentions Sithis is just chaotic. Its like doing something by accident.

      Ironic because he is the void, I bet he wants the destruction of everything but in a sense he helped to create that everything. Heh.

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    • To my knowledge, Sithis has no desire to detroy everything, he just needs souls for his realm and to feed his 'hunger'(??).  He created children with the Night Mother . . . essentially created the Night Mother . . . he's Chaotic Neutral, or Lawful Evil . . . at any rate, he has no reason to want the destruction of Nirn/Mundus.  He just wants to be and to be worshipped and to be given souls, countless souls!

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    • there was a war between anu and padomay and the daedra were made from the mixed blood of anu and padomay, while the aedra are made from the blood of just anu

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    • That is from the Annotated Anuad Exploding Dovakhin, Sithis, Anuriel, and Auriel come from the Monomyth which includes the elvish creation myth. Sithis is the elvish version of Padomay, it is a slightly different view of creation. I quote

      "In most cultures, Anuiel is honored for his part of the interplay that creates the world, but Sithis is held in highest esteem because he's the one that causes the reaction. Sithis is thus the Original Creator, an entity who intrinsically causes change without design." The Monomyth

      "Anu encompassed, and encompasses, all things. So that he might know himself he created Anuiel, his soul and the soul of all things. Anuiel, as all souls, was given to self-reflection, and for this he needed to differentiate between his forms, attributes, and intellects. Thus was born Sithis, who was the sum of all the limitations Anuiel would utilize to ponder himself." Monomyth

      Sithis is by definintion the ability to gain perspective. Anu is the is, Sithis is the is not, without the ability to compare 1 against -1 you would never know what 1 really is.

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    • Exploding Dovahkiin wrote:
      there was a war between anu and padomay and the daedra were made from the mixed blood of anu and padomay, while the aedra are made from the blood of just anu

      I think you got it wrong the daedra were made from padomay and the aedra were made from both.

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    • ^correct

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      To my knowledge, Sithis has no desire to detroy everything, he just needs souls for his realm and to feed his 'hunger'(??).  He created children with the Night Mother . . . essentially created the Night Mother . . . he's Chaotic Neutral, or Lawful Evil . . . at any rate, he has no reason to want the destruction of Nirn/Mundus.  He just wants to be and to be worshipped and to be given souls, countless souls!

      I read a book in Skyrim were it says that Padomay (Sithis) "Saw creation and hated it". The book's name is "A Children's Anuad" look it up.

      Lol at D&D Aligments, don't take that meme seruously.

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    • Lazule2 wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      To my knowledge, Sithis has no desire to detroy everything, he just needs souls for his realm and to feed his 'hunger'(??).  He created children with the Night Mother . . . essentially created the Night Mother . . . he's Chaotic Neutral, or Lawful Evil . . . at any rate, he has no reason to want the destruction of Nirn/Mundus.  He just wants to be and to be worshipped and to be given souls, countless souls!
      I read a book in Skyrim were it says that Padomay (Sithis) "Saw creation and hated it". The book's name is "A Children's Anuad" look it up.

      Lol at D&D Aligments, don't take that meme seruously.

      If he hated creation then maybe they worship him to piss him off because the worshipers are creation so woulden't it be anoying to be followed around by something you hate so much.

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    • Hmm, the dark brotherhood undo certain creations :p

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    • Lazule2 wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      To my knowledge, Sithis has no desire to detroy everything, he just needs souls for his realm and to feed his 'hunger'(??).  He created children with the Night Mother . . . essentially created the Night Mother . . . he's Chaotic Neutral, or Lawful Evil . . . at any rate, he has no reason to want the destruction of Nirn/Mundus.  He just wants to be and to be worshipped and to be given souls, countless souls!
      I read a book in Skyrim were it says that Padomay (Sithis) "Saw creation and hated it". The book's name is "A Children's Anuad" look it up.

      Lol at D&D Aligments, don't take that meme seruously.

      What meme?

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    • The Redguards have a version of mixed Anu and Padomey who has a role similar to Alduin of the Nordic Pantheon. They still revere it.

      The Skaal could also arguably be worshipping Anu under the name of  "All-Maker".

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      The Redguards have a version of mixed Anu and Padomey who has a role similar to Alduin of the Nordic Pantheon. They still revere it.

      The Skaal could also arguably be worshipping Anu under the name of  "All-Maker".

      I always wondered who the All-Maker was or if he even existed, and Anu would make sense.

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:
      Hmm, the dark brotherhood undo certain creations :p

      This. They're helping Sithis/Padomay getting rid of life in Tamriel.

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    • The All-maker would have to include padomay though since he did 50% of the work... I think.

      As lazule2 wrote it's not anu worship.

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    • im pretty sure the skaal are talking about sithis. well since anu never really made anything at all, he couldnt be the "all maker". hes just unchanging stasis. sithis is the one that "makes" anything at all. or maybe, anu is just a tool of sithis not really his counterpart. thatd make the elder scrolls a lot darker than it already is. would be cool though. im getting tired of "saving the world" over and over again. about time i got to serve the dread father as the main quest.

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    • 117.221.244.116 wrote:
      im pretty sure the skaal are talking about sithis. well since anu never really made anything at all, he couldnt be the "all maker". hes just unchanging stasis. sithis is the one that "makes" anything at all. or maybe, anu is just a tool of sithis not really his counterpart. thatd make the elder scrolls a lot darker than it already is. would be cool though. im getting tired of "saving the world" over and over again. about time i got to serve the dread father as the main quest.

      Anu is the is, Padomay(sithis) is the is not.

      it means Anu is everythingness, while Sithis is nothingness.

      While Sithis is the one who caused existance, it was Anu who IS existance.

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    • I say we leave it like this, tamriel is really really messed up 90% of the people want to kill you, 80% of people worship deadra and 100% of gaurds have taken a ******* arrow to the knee! That is why they got you to fix it. Also although Anu is everything, Anu never did much after that but the daedra have artifacts for the worthy and some of the daedra might even help us. Exept for Boethia Boethia sucks.

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    • T'argo wrote:
      ...Boethia sucks.

      Goldbrand is awsome and some people seem to like the Ebony Mail too.

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    • But the other princes give a quest while Boethia will give you a massacre. The reward was okay but it just kills your followers so the sacrifices never end.

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    • T'argo wrote:
      But the other princes give a quest while Boethia will give you a massacre. The reward was okay but it just kills your followers so the sacrifices never end.

      Namira makes you eat someone.....

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    • Nobody worships Anu because Anu never does anything anymore. Invert the Black Sacrament and cast Healing Hands and throw healing potions at an effigy surrounded by shrines to the Divines and Jygallag and Meridia, chant the effective opposite of the call, and nothing happens.

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    • GUYS!!!

      It's not because he does nothing.

      It's because Anu is dead(which is the REASON he does nothing)

      They don't "believe" in Anu because Anu is dead, a dead god can do nothing, he is revered, but after existence occurs he is no longer important.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      GUYS!!!

      It's not because he does nothing.

      It's because Anu is dead(which is the REASON he does nothing)

      They don't "believe" in Anu because Anu is dead, a dead god can do nothing, he is revered, but after existence occurs he is no longer important.

      He died?

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      GUYS!!!

      It's not because he does nothing.

      It's because Anu is dead(which is the REASON he does nothing)

      They don't "believe" in Anu because Anu is dead, a dead god can do nothing, he is revered, but after existence occurs he is no longer important.

      Whaaaaa?What about Shor and Tsun?

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    • Pink Slim wrote: GUYS!!!

      It's not because he does nothing.

      It's because Anu is dead(which is the REASON he does nothing)

      They don't "believe" in Anu because Anu is dead, a dead god can do nothing, he is revered, but after existence occurs he is no longer important.

      Where did it say anywhere that Anu is dead? You're probably confusing him with Lorkhan.

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    • Exploding Dovahkiin wrote:
      there was a war between anu and padomay and the daedra were made from the mixed blood of anu and padomay, while the aedra are made from the blood of just anu

      False. The Aedra were the pure thoughts of Sithis. The Daedra were the pure blood of Sithis. Anu represents stasis, why would he even bother fighting Sithis?

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    • T'argo wrote:
      I say we leave it like this, tamriel is really really messed up 90% of the people want to kill you, 80% of people worship deadra and 100% of gaurds have taken a ******* arrow to the knee! That is why they got you to fix it. Also although Anu is everything, Anu never did much after that but the daedra have artifacts for the worthy and some might even help us. Exept for Boethia Boethia sucks.

      You've gotta respect the Daedra. They're all twisted in some way or another. It just depends on what kind of twisted you deem more immoral than the others.

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    • 75.135.33.32 wrote:
      Exploding Dovahkiin wrote:
      there was a war between anu and padomay and the daedra were made from the mixed blood of anu and padomay, while the aedra are made from the blood of just anu
      False. The Aedra were the pure thoughts of Sithis. The Daedra were the pure blood of Sithis. Anu represents stasis, why would he even bother fighting Sithis?

      The blood theory is widely accepted.As such,you have to present proof that what you saying is true.Otherwise it's just cheese.EIDAR cheese.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      GUYS!!!

      It's not because he does nothing.

      It's because Anu is dead(which is the REASON he does nothing)

      They don't "believe" in Anu because Anu is dead, a dead god can do nothing, he is revered, but after existence occurs he is no longer important.

      Are you talking about Lorkan? Because Anu is not dead. He's just lazy.

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    • TES lore is drowned in contradictions. Even if Bethesda declared it canon and trumpeted it to all, it would likely be redacted.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      GUYS!!!

      It's not because he does nothing.

      It's because Anu is dead(which is the REASON he does nothing)

      They don't "believe" in Anu because Anu is dead, a dead god can do nothing, he is revered, but after existence occurs he is no longer important.

      I don't remember ever hearing anything about Anu dying. 

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    • as i see it Anu is just energy and sithis is the void the nothingness......ligth and darkness....positive/negative.......i see them as the big bang in the elder scrolls..... Is my personal view but explins a lot better the whole thing.

      And the dark brotherhood saids to worship sithis and the nigth mother wich for all we know was just crazy b*tch who kill her own babys......now for the how is she still speaking i dont know theres the mephala theory and maybe some kind of curse or magic in the body??? who knows....but i doubt the nothing speaks

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    • i think sithis(padomay) and anu are one being(maybe the all-maker), and them both are aspects of one being. and people got confused.

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    • Anu is my sun and Sithis is my moon

      The Aedra are my light and the Daedra are my dark

      Anu is my day and Sithis my night

      The Aedra arenine and the Daedra are more

      Anu is Love and Sithis is Hate

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    • I am one of the few that believes that anu, and padomay are the thing that makes some daedra "Good" and the rest well.... daedra

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    • Knight Of The Dovahkiin wrote:
      Anu is my sun and Sithis is my moon

      The Aedra are my light and the Daedra are my dark

      Anu is my day and Sithis my night

      The Aedra arenine and the Daedra are more

      Anu is Love and Sithis is Hate

      So we all know that Akatosh is Aedra but is Akatosh Anu? Are they the same people?

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    • anu is love. anu is life.

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    • Hail Sithis!!!

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    • 207.144.21.14 wrote:
      i think sithis(padomay) and anu are one being(maybe the all-maker), and them both are aspects of one being. and people got confused.

      This seems the most legit response out of the whole thing.

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    • 68.93.102.19 wrote:
      207.144.21.14 wrote:
      i think sithis(padomay) and anu are one being(maybe the all-maker), and them both are aspects of one being. and people got confused.
      This seems the most legit response out of the whole thing.

      I think I'll go with this clarification as the new direction of the CHIM/amaranth/towers/dreaming theory.

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    • (Time to be a weirdo.)

      Hear 'ye! Hear 'ye! People of TES Wiki! Hear my words!

      You, the lesser beings, have no understandance of Anuiel and his brother Padomay, more commonly known to mortals as Sithis.

      Anu and Sithis inhabit Aurbis, the 'Rim of Creation' as I have taken to calling it. Anu and Sithis created the realm of Aetherius and the Aedra, much to Sithis' dismay, by undergoing in a fight while Anu still had purpose. He created Lorkhan to destroy this mistake. However, Lorkhan was killed by Trinimac, now the Daedric Prince known as Malacath, and thus failed his mission.

      Along with Aetherius, Oblivion came to exist. the Aedra come from Sithis and Anu's blood together, while the Daedra are purely from Sithis, explaining their chaotic nature. the Aedra stayed to Aetherius, the world above our own, but Oblivion is the world below ours and houses the Daedra.

      Although, there are suspicions not all the Daedra are a creation of Sithis. Such as Jyggalag, for example. How could a being created from Sithis be like Anuiel? Well, they do share blood, so  perhaps this is the cause. Or perhaps it is a secret beyond our knowledge. There are also theories arisen about Meridia, questioning her hatred of undead. In fact, some believe she is an Aedra fallen from Aetherius, If any of you understand that. (In case none of you have picked that up yet, Aetherius and Oblivion were inspired by Heaven and Hell.)

      As to the original poster's question, Anu is not worshipped much because... well, he did his part, so to say. He is not 'lazy', he just does not do much because he does not need to. As explained by Maramal of Riften, the people of Skyrim - and presumably most of Tamriel - respond to deeds. Most likely the cause of worship in the first place due to the gods doing things. Example... The 8 (9 if you are a heretic- I mean, Talos worshipper) Divines. Most people are also brainwashed and think that good is always the right choice. The sad thing is, despite everything, Anuiel and Padomay get absolutely no credit for the creation of existence. They deserve it! Anu just sits there, waiting for when he is needed again, while Sithis slowly continues to unmake everything. A good contributing party to this cause is The Dark Brotherhood.

      Agh, perhaps I should get to my point rather than going on and on... I have too much time on my hands... or paws.

      As is known, Anu is everything while Sithis is nothing. Yes, it's ironic that the nothing made a good majority of what the everything stands for, but they're both big contributors to this world in their own ways!

      And so, I feel they deserve more recognition for their actions, so to speak. We shouldn't be worshipping the Divines, and perhaps even the Daedra should be set aside. Well, maybe we can still revere the Skooma Cat. (I mean the Khajiit term for Sheogorath)

      But seriously, we should turn our attention towards the Makers! Anuiel and his much better brother Padomay! (Don't tell Anu I said that, he's sensitive).

      That is my message, I'll bet uncle M'aiq would be proud!

      -Narzugami, Loyal servant of the Daedric kind.

      (This has been a Paid Programming [Over 9000 septims! She sure wanted this to get out there] with your host, Narzugami, the freaky deaky kitty cat!)

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    • anu and pedomay are more powerful then anything in the ES universe that none ever speaks of them 

      the daedra never dared to plot against them or whats LEFT of them

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    • 86.97.18.204 wrote:
      anu and pedomay are more powerful then anything in the ES universe that none ever speaks of them 

      the daedra never dared to plot against them or whats LEFT of them


      They have no power in the Aurbis, since they "exist" outside of it.

      Also, nothing is able to plot against them because they're 1. the fundamental beings of the Godheads dream, which means that it's certainly impossible to erase them from it 2. outside of the Aurbis, which prevents anything inside it to even reach them.

      I also don't get the "whats LEFT of them" part.

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    • I thought the All Maker was Anu, who is worshiped by the Skaal on Solstheim, and Padomay is Sithis who is worshiped by the Dark Brotherhood, as well as the "Adversary" whom is also worshiped by the Skaal. The Adversary intends to corrupt the All Maker's dominion. This kind of resembles Anu and Padomay because Padomay is trying to corrupt Anu's creation. Even though they both worked on it together by mixing each others' blood. So the best conclusion is Anu = The All Maker and Padomay = Sithis and the Adversary.

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    • 12.109.215.53 wrote:
      I thought the All Maker was Anu, who is worshiped by the Skaal on Solstheim, and Padomay is Sithis who is worshiped by the Dark Brotherhood, as well as the "Adversary" whom is also worshiped by the Skaal. The Adversary intends to corrupt the All Maker's dominion. This kind of resembles Anu and Padomay because Padomay is trying to corrupt Anu's creation. Even though they both worked on it together by mixing each others' blood. So the best conclusion is Anu = The All Maker and Padomay = Sithis and the Adversary.


      No, the All-Maker is either a combination of both Anu and Padomay or the Dreemsleeve personificated. The Adversary is maybe Sithis, or maybe an evil version of Lorkhan.

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    • AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote:
      86.97.18.204 wrote:
      anu and pedomay are more powerful then anything in the ES universe that none ever speaks of them 

      the daedra never dared to plot against them or whats LEFT of them


      They have no power in the Aurbis, since they "exist" outside of it.

      Also, nothing is able to plot against them because they're 1. the fundamental beings of the Godheads dream, which means that it's certainly impossible to erase them from it 2. outside of the Aurbis, which prevents anything inside it to even reach them.

      I also don't get the "whats LEFT of them" part.

      sithis and that other guy are whats left of them




      right ?

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    • 2.50.195.193 wrote:
      AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote:
      86.97.18.204 wrote:
      anu and pedomay are more powerful then anything in the ES universe that none ever speaks of them 

      the daedra never dared to plot against them or whats LEFT of them


      They have no power in the Aurbis, since they "exist" outside of it.

      Also, nothing is able to plot against them because they're 1. the fundamental beings of the Godheads dream, which means that it's certainly impossible to erase them from it 2. outside of the Aurbis, which prevents anything inside it to even reach them.

      I also don't get the "whats LEFT of them" part.

      sithis and that other guy are whats left of them




      right ?


      I still don't get what you mean.

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    • AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote:
      2.50.195.193 wrote:
      AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote:
      86.97.18.204 wrote:
      anu and pedomay are more powerful then anything in the ES universe that none ever speaks of them 

      the daedra never dared to plot against them or whats LEFT of them


      They have no power in the Aurbis, since they "exist" outside of it.

      Also, nothing is able to plot against them because they're 1. the fundamental beings of the Godheads dream, which means that it's certainly impossible to erase them from it 2. outside of the Aurbis, which prevents anything inside it to even reach them.

      I also don't get the "whats LEFT of them" part.

      sithis and that other guy are whats left of them




      right ?


      I still don't get what you mean.

      i read that anu and pedomy fought eachother and whats left of them became sithis and another guy that i forgot his name

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    • Worshipping Anu would be impractical, because Anu is too complex of a concept to really be specifically worshipped. It's much easier to just stick with the Aedra and Daedra worship. I believe Sithis is worshipped by particular cults such as The Dark Brotherhood as more of a concept than something they firmly believe in exists and have physical representation of. There is no shrine of Sithis (other than the skull on the door to the santuary, also conceptual) that dictates exactly what Sithis is, because Sithis is a persona fitted to The Nothing of the Universe.

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    • 71.212.62.221 wrote:
      Worshipping Anu would be impractical, because Anu is too complex of a concept to really be specifically worshipped. It's much easier to just stick with the Aedra and Daedra worship. I believe Sithis is worshipped by particular cults such as The Dark Brotherhood as more of a concept than something they firmly believe in exists and have physical representation of. There is no shrine of Sithis (other than the skull on the door to the santuary, also conceptual) that dictates exactly what Sithis is, because Sithis is a persona fitted to The Nothing of the Universe.

      Anu isn't really a complex concept. He's literally perfect Order, Stasis, etc. 

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    • The thing is, it makes much more sense to worship Padomay, or his soul, Sithis, considering they embody change, rather than the force of stasis. I would say, though, that the Anuicly aligned Elves (the Altmer in particular) do worship Anu by proxy via Auri-El, and is reflected through their ideology. 

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    • My own take on it is that people are more likely to worship the soul of Anu, Anui-El, or the soul of his soul, Auri-El, because Anu doesn't seem to have any real personality, like its counterpart, Padomay.  Sithis (void-as-limit) isn't exactly Padomay (chaos), but its soul, so Padomay isn't necessarily worshiped either.  However, All-Maker worship is similar to worship of Anui-El directly, so there's that example even though Anui-El (the collective soul of all things) isn't exactly the same as Anu (perfect stasis).

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    • In oblivion beggars always say 'Blessings of Anu upon ye', So I guess they worship Anu

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