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  • Is it possible the Septim Bloodline didnt actually end after the Oblivion Crisis. Since a large number of emporors were cousins of there predicesors or how ever you spell it. Is it not possible that the Line continues in an unclaimed child i cant remember the proper term at the moment. sorry if this is discussed else where

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    • I had a small theory that maybe the dovahkiin is related in some way to one of the past dragonborn.

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    • Hm...maye

      My current character claims to be a Septim,but no one recognises him as the true Emperor after he killed Titus

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    • You can fan-fic it as much as you like, however as it stands there is no credible evidence of any Septim members even of distant blood line remaining. One could imagine that they would have attempted to grab power during the second interregnum, yet there is no mention of them beyond Martin. As far as the empire goes, the Septim bloodline has largely lost its relevance anyway. It was needed to maintain the dragon fires, and those are permanently lit due to the sacrifice of Emperor Martin Septim.

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    • The one priest says that "If Potema was still alive,she would be Empress." This means that if there was a Septim still alive they would become emperor

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    • There is a large thread about this but Martin was the last Septim the Elder Scrolls themselves said that the ending of this bloodline will signal the return of Alduin, Alduin returned so the Septims must be gone.

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    • The prophecy says nothing about the death of the entire dynasty, but insead the loss of a dragonborn on the throne.

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    • It's a shame all the Septims are gone, that dynasty knew how to get stuff done. A Septim would've crushed the Thalmor in a heartbeat, and all this "Imperial vs Stormcloak" nonsense would have never happened.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      The prophecy says nothing about the death of the entire dynasty, but insead the loss of a dragonborn on the throne.

      Thats what i thought, ive never heard of anything being mentioned Canonly about them being gone just one not being on the seat of power. But what i was trying to say before is most unclaimed children dont know about there parents so its at least possible!

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    • i like to think that tiber septim is actually a nord (since he was known as talos), so thats why my nord is a dragonborn... 

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    • Tiber Septim is canonically a Nord, yes. He was born one Hjalti Early-Beard and trained under the Greybeards at High Hrothgar.

      - WorshipsMeridia

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    • And as I have said before, it is highly probable that Martin Septim was not the only illegitimate child of the Septim line. It is quite possible that numerous illegits like Martin, having no knowledge of their heritage, have lived their lives peacefully throughout the eras. If so, they and their descendants are probably still scattered across Tamriel.

      - WorshipsMeridia

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    • 71.61.178.23 wrote:
      Tiber Septim is canonically a Nord, yes. He was born one Hjalti Early-Beard and trained under the Greybeards at High Hrothgar.

      - WorshipsMeridia

      This is in question though as he was born in the city of Alcaire in High Rock.

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    • The quote from the prophecy is "When the Dragonborn ruler loses his throne."One can spectulate that no Dragonborn will ever again sit on the Ruby Throne due to the prophecy.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      71.61.178.23 wrote:
      Tiber Septim is canonically a Nord, yes. He was born one Hjalti Early-Beard and trained under the Greybeards at High Hrothgar.

      - WorshipsMeridia

      This is in question though as he was born in the city of Alcaire in High Rock.

      Where he was born has little to no bearing on his race. He is canonically stated to be a Nord. Nords can be born in High Rock, you know.

      - WorshipsMeridia

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      The quote from the prophecy is "When the Dragonborn ruler loses his throne."One can spectulate that no Dragonborn will ever again sit on the Ruby Throne due to the prophecy.

      It refers to a specific individual, not to all Dragonborn folks.

      - WorshipsMeridia

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    • 71.61.178.23 wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      The quote from the prophecy is "When the Dragonborn ruler loses his throne."One can spectulate that no Dragonborn will ever again sit on the Ruby Throne due to the prophecy.
      It refers to a specific individual, not to all Dragonborn folks.

      - WorshipsMeridia

      How do you know?And if you are speaking the truth, who?If another Dragonborn sits on the throne, before or after Prophecy, that kinda causes a Dragon Break.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      71.61.178.23 wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      The quote from the prophecy is "When the Dragonborn ruler loses his throne."One can spectulate that no Dragonborn will ever again sit on the Ruby Throne due to the prophecy.
      It refers to a specific individual, not to all Dragonborn folks.

      - WorshipsMeridia

      How do you know?And if you are speaking the truth, who?If another Dragonborn sits on the throne, before or after Prophecy, that kinda causes a Dragon Break.

      "When the Dragonborn Emperor loses his throne." Not "a".

      And please, do explain your reasoning behind your claim of another Dragon Break.

      - WorshipsMeridia

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    • 71.61.178.23 wrote:

      "When the Dragonborn Emperor loses his throne." Not "a".

      And please, do explain your reasoning behind your claim of another Dragon Break.

      - WorshipsMeridia

      "The" does not always refer to one person.Also, Prophecies must come true.Halfway through the Dragon Crisis, some guy comes up and is Dragonborn, he becomes Emperor.Boom.Prophecy defeated.No matter what would happen after that, the Prophecy has been proved wrong, thus creating a rupture in time.Alduin cannot return if a Dragonborn rules the Empire.A new bloodline would have nearly no threat, thus could possibly last "forever" thus Alduin could never return.Prophecy proved wrong, rupture in time.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      71.61.178.23 wrote:

      "When the Dragonborn Emperor loses his throne." Not "a".

      And please, do explain your reasoning behind your claim of another Dragon Break.

      - WorshipsMeridia

      "The" does not always refer to one person.Also, Prophecies must come true.Halfway through the Dragon Crisis, some guy comes up and is Dragonborn, he becomes Emperor.Boom.Prophecy defeated.No matter what would happen after that, the Prophecy has been proved wrong, thus creating a rupture in time.Alduin cannot return if a Dragonborn rules the Empire.A new bloodline would have nearly no threat, thus could possibly last "forever" thus Alduin could never return.Prophecy proved wrong, rupture in time.

      Or, some guy happens to be Dragonborn, becomes Emperor at any point, and everything is just fine, because the prophecy says nothing about staying off the throne. It could refer to a day without a Septim Emperor, or an eternity. The only specified element is that at some point, there isn't a Septim Emperor.

      Check.

      - WorshipsMeridia

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    • To clarify, I meant "check" in the chess sense.

      - WorshipsMeridia

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    • Losing the Throne usually refers to no heirs to take it.Martin Septim lost the throne as he had no heirs.Also, you said Septim.What if everything happened during the time of the Remans?Does there have to be no Septim Emperor?No, because the prophecy doesn't specify Septim.

      This isn't a chess wiki.

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    • Who knows? the Last Dragonborn could be of Septim's or Alessia's bloodline (depend on the race).

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    • Doubt it.Septim Dynasty and Alessian Dynasty were said to be dead.

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    • OK please currect me if im wrong but when you guys talked about prophecies one of you is stating that they are set in stone. But... like time cant prophecies of the future change with time? Also who says that the dragon crisis is the true return of Alduin since as far as i know the Dovahkiin did not kill him. I dont recall him absorbing his soul. Which since he is a dragon he would have done if he had been killed.

      So... whos to say that Alduin cant return later.

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    • No, prophiecies cannot change with time.And Alduins Wall is set in stone.Literally.

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    • WarMos wrote:
      OK please currect me if im wrong but when you guys talked about prophecies one of you is stating that they are set in stone. But... like time cant prophecies of the future change with time? Also who says that the dragon crisis is the true return of Alduin since as far as i know the Dovahkiin did not kill him. I dont recall him absorbing his soul. Which since he is a dragon he would have done if he had been killed.

      So... whos to say that Alduin cant return later.



      We did absorb Alduins soul.

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    • No you didn't absorb Alduin's soul.There is even dialogue options with Arngeir inquiring about that.

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    • doesnt the dragonborns prophocy come fro an elder scroll? I remember reading something about how an elder scroll just shows random things until someone actually reads the prophocy, then that prophocy HAS to happen.

      -HEHEHE!

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    • Its stated that Elder Scrolls show every beginning and every ending of everything, and that different people see different things. So I could read a Prophocy one way and anyone of you could read something different.

      Also i beleive we have gotten off topic.

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    • Tiber Septim was known to have had an affair with Barenziah of Morriwind. Whether or not the resultant child of that affair was ever aborted is a subject of debate as a supposed descendant of that child apparently appears in Skyrim. How true this is or not i cannot say as Barenziah claimed her illegitimate daughter to be the result of seduction by Jagar Tharn who lived in a completely different time from Tiber Septim.

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    • Azrael8472 wrote:
      Tiber Septim was known to have had an affair with Barenziah of Morriwind. Whether or not the resultant child of that affair was ever aborted is a subject of debate as a supposed descendant of that child apparently appears in Skyrim. How true this is or not i cannot say as Barenziah claimed her illegitimate daughter to be the result of seduction by Jagar Tharn who lived in a completely different time from Tiber Septim.

      Those were two completely different events. The child Barenziah had with Tiber Septim was killed. The illegitimate child she had was with a person known as Drayven Indoril.

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    • Man of steak wrote:

      71.61.178.23 wrote:

      "When the Dragonborn Emperor loses his throne." Not "a".

      And please, do explain your reasoning behind your claim of another Dragon Break.

      - WorshipsMeridia

      "The" does not always refer to one person.Also, Prophecies must come true.Halfway through the Dragon Crisis, some guy comes up and is Dragonborn, he becomes Emperor.Boom.Prophecy defeated.No matter what would happen after that, the Prophecy has been proved wrong, thus creating a rupture in time.Alduin cannot return if a Dragonborn rules the Empire.A new bloodline would have nearly no threat, thus could possibly last "forever" thus Alduin could never return.Prophecy proved wrong, rupture in time.

      No prophecies are set in stone, the entire Dawnguard storyline is that you prove the phrophecy of the sun being blotted out wrong. Also, if a Dragonborn took the throne in the middle of the Dragon Crisis, the phrophecy would not be defeated, because the entire start of the Dragon Crisis was because Alduin began ressurecting other dragons.

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    • In summation there could be or there is/are Septim descendants active in the 4th era so the Septim bloodline is not broken just not ruling the empire

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    • As far as prophecies go, that's entirely unfair to base facts off of them since they are in fact theories. Alduin's Wall was the prophecy of Alduin's defeat by the last dragonborn. Whether or not our character is actually the last in line is up for debate, but regardless. As far as lore goes, our character does have a legitimate claim to the throne, whether you'd pursue it or not is kind of up to Bethesda in elder scrolls VI. Of course believing they're not just going to disappear like previous heroes (Ex. Nerevariene or Hero of Kvatch, although the latter is plausible for being the new Sheogorath.) In case you've forgotten, none of the previous lines of emperor's had anything in common. The Alessian Dynasty began from a slave, Tiber Septim was just a soldier. While those dynasties may very well be done, who's to say our dragonborn can't start a line of their own? Of course this is all theoretical since we haven't been given the chance to pursue this line from Skyrim's take. Regardless, our dragonborn does have a legit claim to the throne. Race really doesn't matter any way since they've had Imperials, dark elves, and nords on the throne. Granted it might be hard for an altmer dragonborn to gain the respect of an Empire that now has prejudice against the Almderi Dominion, it's more of an ironic twist of a high elf blessed by Shor (lorkhan), sworn enemy of elves who believe he took their divinity. Learn Elder Scrolls lore before you start throwing things out there, people.

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    • "It's a shame all the Septims are gone, that dynasty knew how to get stuff done. A Septim would've crushed the Thalmor in a heartbeat, and all this "Imperial vs Stormcloak" nonsense would have never happened."


      These were my thoughts exactly.  If Uriel Septim VII had lived, for sure, he would have crushed the Thalmor before they ever had a chance to cause any trouble.  Hearing that one snooty Thalmor refer to the "Emperor lying to his elven masters" made my blood boil, lol.  I loved Uriel VII.  He was a crafty, cunning old dog ^.^

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    • Now I wonder what Martin could have done had the dragon fires been lit before Dagon had crossed to Nirn. Or if maby Uriel's Blades taken them and a legion out the front gate of the Imperial City.

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    • Whenever Uriel Septim VII was in-charged, things was getting better for the Empire whenever he was not in-charged, aka being trapped by Jagar Tharn or when he died during TES IV: Oblivion, Empire destabilized. So it is safe to say he was a good Emperor. 

      Though he was already like 70, an Imperial (Human) so I don't think he can live till the Thalmor rise to power. In fact it might be a little hard for Martin to live till Thalmor or 3rd Aldmeri Dominion rise to power. 

      But if Martin had lived to become Emperor, the Thalmor might not have been given the chance to gain power since it was Oblivion Crisis that gave the Thalmor chance to seize power and the Great War might not have taken place.

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