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  • I think the archery is much better in Oblivion than Skyrim because sometimes, i dont know if this happens to anyone else but i miss a straight up shot when my target is standing right in front of me and i have it lined up right towads him

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    • I barely remember how archery worked in Oblivion. I don't much care for it in Skyrim - not that it's flawed or anything, I simply prefer to clobber things with sharp hunks of metal.

      Though, I will say I far prefer a crossbow to a bow, after getting Dawnguard. I'm not even sure why... probably because you re-load after the shot rather than before.

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    • I agree with Frozenhero2. I find crossbows to be quite lame. And the best crossbow and bolts actually does less damage then the best bow and arrows because the Dwarven bolts are much weaker then the dragonbone arrows.

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    • I meant Frozenhero1. Sorry. I'm lazy at typing during the night.

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    • Your wrong, the base damage for crossbows on average are much more powerful than bows. 

      While obviously a dragonbone bow with dragonbones arrows is going to be more damaging then a regular crossbow with steel bolts, an enhanced dwarven crossbow (which ignores 50% of armour) made legendary with smithing and dwarven bolts deals more damage then any bow with any arrows. 

      Owned.

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    • Also crossbow bolts have three different varients that have different enchatments, unlike a any arrow.

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    • 173.87.54.254 wrote:
      Your wrong, the base damage for crossbows on average are much more powerful than bows. 

      While obviously a dragonbone bow with dragonbones arrows is going to be more damaging then a regular crossbow with steel bolts, an enhanced dwarven crossbow (which ignores 50% of armour) made legendary with smithing and dwarven bolts deals more damage then any bow with any arrows. 

      Owned.

      Prove it.A Dwarven Crossbow does 58 legendaried damage on my game(88 archery,4/5 Overdraw perk,not the best of my skills),while a EBONY bow does 50 legendaried damage.Dawrven bolts adds 14(?) damage to the maximum output.So,i get a Dragonbone Bow that does considerably more damage than a Ebony Bow(I believe it reaches 56ish at Legendary quality) and dragonbone arrows wich are very easy to smith at any stage of the game.It owns it.Every time.While the Crossbows can be useful at a early stage,the bows still get maximum effectivity.Also,the Exploding Bolts are relatively hard to make,in comparison to Dragonbone Arrows,and how fast you can shoot with a bow with the Quick Draw perk

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    • http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dwarven_Crossbow_(Dawnguard)

      please observe the triva at the bottom, the pure base damage for crossbow in more powerful than a dragonbone bow. perks, enchatments, and the archery skill aside it is more poweful.

      also an enhanced crossbow ignores 50% of armour, meaning even with a lower base damage it will deal damage through armour, meaning its better, also the longer you hold down the attack button with a bow, the farther you pull it back, and it travels farther and deals more damage correct? a crossbow autmomatically goes as far as it can and deals the same amount of damage regardless of how long you the down the aatack button.

      and crossbow also have a 50% chance to stagger the opponent.

      read this aswell.   http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Crossbows_(Dawnguard)

      In the adavntages a reagular crossbow has a higher bass damage then a daederic bow, and costs less to buy/make and you dont need a 90+ smithing skill.

      Owned.

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    • My apologies same base damage*

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    • 173.87.54.254 wrote:
      http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dwarven_Crossbow_(Dawnguard)

      please observe the triva at the bottom, the pure base damage for crossbow in more powerful than a dragonbone bow. perks, enchatments, and the archery skill aside it is more poweful.

      also an enhanced crossbow ignores 50% of armour, meaning even with a lower base damage it will deal damage through armour, meaning its better, also the longer you hold down the attack button with a bow, the farther you pull it back, and it travels farther and deals more damage correct? a crossbow autmomatically goes as far as it can and deals the same amount of damage regardless of how long you the down the aatack button.

      and crossbow also have a 50% chance to stagger the opponent.

      read this aswell.   http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Crossbows_(Dawnguard)

      In the adavntages a reagular crossbow has a higher bass damage then a daederic bow, and costs less to buy/make and you dont need a 90+ smithing skill.

      Owned.

      Pay attention,for the sake of sanity.I said that Crossbow are great for earlier stages,didn't i?But still,Having a Dragonbone Bow(20 base damage) and Dragonborn Arrows(25 damage) completely offsets the base damage advantage of the crossbows.That is waht you're missing.Dragonbone Arrows are much easir to make than exploding bolts,thus allowing it to have more ammo and costing little to none(it's Dragon Bone and Firewood,literally free) to make.Also,the perk Power Shot renders the stagger effect of the crossbows useless.Did you ever fire a bow with Quick Draw?Combine it with dragonbone gear and it gets OP.The only real advantage here is the Ignore armor,but pretty much alwasy in my game i one hit sneak kill people so that won't likely be a problem.Next time you post something,pay attention to stuff.

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    • dragons bones are free? and power shot stacks onto the 50% stagger effect, giving it a 75% chance to stagger. and you DO NOT need a 100 smithing skill with the perks for dragonbone bow/arrows wasting a lot of skill points. crossbows are way OP aswell, trying playing with a pure stealth/archer with crossbow as the main weapon. i have a lvl 73 imperial with 100 archery, sneak, and light armour, and i like the dwarven enhanced crossbow with exploding bolts( which there damage stacks onto the bolt itself) more than a bow, also its much better for hitting moving targets due to the bolts higher velocity. plus exploding bolts? how cool is that?

      Owned

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    • Stop saying "Owned" at the end of your paragraphs, because your not "Owning" anyone you incompetent fool.

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    • Wind within 707 wrote:
      Stop saying "Owned" at the end of your paragraphs, because your not "Owning" anyone you incompetent fool.

      He was not owning anyone.Check the dates of the posts,prevent cluttering the forum.

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    • 90.196.77.96 wrote:
      I think the archery is much better in Oblivion than Skyrim because sometimes, i dont know if this happens to anyone else but i miss a straight up shot when my target is standing right in front of me and i have it lined up right towads him

      Hey, the reason for this is because in skyrim if you are close to an enemy you need to aim a little lower than where you wanna hit same as farther you need to aim higher, this mechanic was new in skyrim and made shooting bows and crossbows more realistic, I believe they just wanted to mix things up since the mechanics in skyrim are somewhat more advanced than oblivion. Thanks for your time

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    • I think they feel a bit more polished in Skyrim. Oblivion's bows are good and fun to use but they don't give me the satisfaction that Skyrim's bows give when I snipe someone from the top of a castle wall. I really like them both but I like Skyrim's bows a bit more. It might be because I've played more Skyrim than Oblivion but still.

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    • After playing both games within a few weeks time I can say skyrims archery is way more polished and better. Granted oblivions was still cool it's just with the perks in skyrim that increases the power of bows and the Sneak perk which allows 3x extra damage while sneaking makes archery completely powerful. Not to mention the type of arrows/bows you're using also has a small impact on strength. In Oblivion there's no real way to make your archery more powerful outside of certain enchantmentd(like magick and weakness to element and magic) so in the end oblivions weak in archery compared to skyrim

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    • I think the archery mechanic was smoother in Skyrim, but the hit detection is awful. In my experience when using archery in Skyrim some arrows tend to clip through people's heads, while others just get glued to the side of their shoulder. On the other hand, the momentum and the acring of Oblivion's arrows made it a little more difficult to long shot people and also the zoom was quite awkward. This is why I prefer Skyrim's archery over Oblivion's, because it feels much smoother and natural, and I can cope with clipping issues.

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    • I can totally adjust with the using the bow on both games, but i didn't have many issues with skyrim archery system. 

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    • I just like hitting people in the face with arrows :3

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    • To be honest, I just found the entire game off Skyrim a cheap knockoff of Oblivion, although Oblvion is NOT my fav, counting DLCs as different games, Shivering Isles is.

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    • shivering isles to me is a bit overrated, there's some nice areas to explore and sidequests to do but much like dragonborn dlc  the story is just not even worth it. 

      Funnily enough i kinda enjoy KoTN and Dawnguard over those two. 

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    • are we talking mechanics wise as better or worse? well, in oblivion arrows were weighted, which means you couldnt carry as many as you wanted, granted most were .1 weight, but that adds up when you want to carry around 500 arrows and you havent put much into strength or have your gear enchanted with feather or glitched yourself with feather; in short skyrim is better, obviously because its newer.

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    • I think he means whether the system of shooting an arrow or using a bow is better. Whether arrows are weighted doesn't really make the system  better or worse

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    • I would say mechanics, Skyrim definetely. Speaking from the point of an actual archer (moi) arrows in Oblivion move WAY too slow and don't get all defensive about how they couldn't handle that at the time, Morrowind has close to the right speed and is faster than Oblivion.


      Actual bows... About even with design and variation. Oblivion not so realistic but lots of variation. Skyrim, more realistic (If you think of Ebony as the actual thing [aka, wood]) but not as much variation.

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    • And when it comes to crossbows over bows, it's just like real life, they both have pros and cons

      Bows:

      Pro: More damage (not counting armour pierce)

      Pro: Longer range (Shut up, they don't shoot the same, I tested it)

      Pro: Faster reload (You can pop of 3:1 with full perks on a bow:crossbow ratio)

      Con: Can't have a pre-loaded arrow

      Con: No armour pierce

      Con: Over all damage (including armour pierce) is worse

      Con: More arced fireing


      Crossbow:

      Pro: More overall damage (including armour pierce)

      Pro: Pre-Loaded arrow

      Pro: Armour pierce

      Pro: Flatter fireing

      Con: Shorter Range

      Con: Slow reload

      Con: Less damage (Not counting armour pierce)


      So basically, they even each other out, just depends on what you want to do, Marksman or just using it to start as crossbows tend to be easier to aim in it's short distance.

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    • I perfer the archery in Skyrim, the bows feel a bit more realistic (I'm into archery in real life, so I like that).  I also like some of the archery perks in skyrim, such as the slow time perk.  I also seem better in close combat with the bows in skyrim, I'm not sure why this is (possibly due to the more realistic arrow flight).

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    • I hated the archery system in Oblivion. It felt rushed. Also the camera movement was rubbish (Even on PS3) so it was hard to line up the follow up shots if the target moved. Archery in Skyrim was way better.

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    • Alduin1996 wrote:
      I hated the archery system in Oblivion. It felt rushed. Also the camera movement was rubbish (Even on PS3) so it was hard to line up the follow up shots if the target moved. Archery in Skyrim was way better.

      YES!!!  That's why I'm better in close quarters with a bow in Skyrim.

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    • Alduin1996 wrote:
      I hated the archery system in Oblivion. It felt rushed. Also the camera movement was rubbish (Even on PS3) so it was hard to line up the follow up shots if the target moved. Archery in Skyrim was way better.

      I had little trouble adjusting to it's mechanics. When i was messing around in oblivion 8 months ago i was dead on with my shots i just don't think as a whole the system was as good as it should have been. As you said felt rushed in some ways despite having a 4 year development cycle. 

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    • The main thing i disliked about archery in skyrim, is that despite having a target perfectly lined up, i have had times where the arrow would either vanish (due to range), or hit some invisible damned object. Archery in oblivion was annoying due to the short draw ranges. Granted these have been my experiences when playing on the 360

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