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  • I would say Malacath. The reason is because it was never confirmed that he lost any power when he became a Daedra and Trinimac was more powerful then any Aedra/Daedra. If not him then Nocturnal. Some refer to Nocturnal as the Ur-Daedra. If this is true then she would definitely be the most powerful.

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    • Sheogorath, Daedric Prince of Madness. Charmed.

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    • Jyggalag, the only thing that made Daedric Princes have fear.....

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    • Or something that could be classified by mortal terms as fear.

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    • 65.78.74.217 wrote:
      Jyggalag, the only thing that made Daedric Princes have fear....

      I'm pretty sure Jyggalag is no longer the most powerful. By giving the power of madness to the HoK, wouldn't he have given away part of himself? Also, he wasn't actually the most powerful. They feared he would become due to the expansion of his realm.

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    • Peryite, attack him black death noob (jk bone break fever)

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:
      65.78.74.217 wrote:
      Jyggalag, the only thing that made Daedric Princes have fear....
      I'm pretty sure Jyggalag is no longer the most powerful. By giving the power of madness to the HoK, wouldn't he have given away part of himself? Also, he wasn't actually the most powerful. They feared he would become due to the expansion of his realm.

      Its ironic isnt it, he caused himself to be attacked unpredicable AFTER he took into account what would happen, what if he did it again this would never have happened, also i think its like volts to jules, it works in a circuit it loses slowly, if you take it out it loses yes but not very much. 

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    • Vaermina, without a doubt. If you've had night terrors, somnabulism, or sleep apnea, you know how terrifying it is. According to lore, this is what Vaermina does to people. Fear is potent, and Vaermina creates the fear of the very act that ALL creatures need, sleep. That makes her the most powerful.

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Vaermina, without a doubt. If you've had night terrors, somnabulism, or sleep apnea, you know how terrifying it is. According to lore, this is what Vaermina does to people. Fear is potent, and Vaermina creates the fear of the very act that ALL creatures need, sleep. That makes her the most powerful.

      true, Nightmare is like the worst thing ever happened to us besides Hell.

      but since the Daedric Heavyweight Champion have returned, so.........

      BUT well i can't say anything further, till the Devs says something about Jyggalags continuation.

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    • Hbxn wrote:
      SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Vaermina, without a doubt. If you've had night terrors, somnabulism, or sleep apnea, you know how terrifying it is. According to lore, this is what Vaermina does to people. Fear is potent, and Vaermina creates the fear of the very act that ALL creatures need, sleep. That makes her the most powerful.
      true, Nightmare is like the worst thing ever happened to us besides Hell.

      but since the Daedric Heavyweight Champion have returned, so.........

      BUT well i can't say anything further, till the Devs says something about Jyggalags continuation.

      I never heard it say anywhere that Jyggalag was the most powerful. Only that he was a VERY powerful Daedric Prince. He was cursed because his army was growing so big that he wanted to expand it to the other realms. Also, he was beaten by a mortal.

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Vaermina, without a doubt. If you've had night terrors, somnabulism, or sleep apnea, you know how terrifying it is. According to lore, this is what Vaermina does to people. Fear is potent, and Vaermina creates the fear of the very act that ALL creatures need, sleep. That makes her the most powerful.

      Too bad Daedric Princes don't sleep. Vermine can only cause fear to those who sleep. I believe it is between Sheogorath and Hermaeus Mora because knowledge is power but Sheogorath is insanely unpredictable.

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    • Jyggalag! 

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    • to Wikia contributor 24.44.141.89

      How of CVile...... he's the Daedric Prince of Power, i repeat..... officialy POWER...... as you said Knowledge is Power, and didn't this makes you believe that Power makes the most powerfull Daedric Prince ?  so....

      and also Jyggalag is very powerfull, which makes the other Daedric Princes feared him, why else would the feared him for.....? an army, Jyggalag wanted to expand his realm........, show me the source man..... then i'll believe you

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    • I think Azura are the most powerful of Daedra. She has the Azura Star, so she can trap another Daedra Prince soul and use it for enchanting.

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    • Crimson Roe wrote:
      She has the Azura Star, so she can trap another Daedra Prince soul and use it for enchanting.

      No offence but that has to be the silliest thing I have ever heard.

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    • Hbxn wrote:
      to Wikia contributor 24.44.141.89

      How of CVile...... he's the Daedric Prince of Power, i repeat..... officialy POWER...... as you said Knowledge is Power, and didn't this makes you believe that Power makes the most powerfull Daedric Prince ?  so....

      and also Jyggalag is very powerfull, which makes the other Daedric Princes feared him, why else would the feared him for.....? an army, Jyggalag wanted to expand his realm........, show me the source man..... then i'll believe you

      Clavicus Vile requires mortals to permeate the space time so if anything he is one of the weakest. Knowledge does not require mortals, it's just there. And I can't see how Clavicus can fool Hermaeus or Sheogorath into a deal that will ruin their lives. And I think what they mean by power is that he grants power to mortals. 

      Sorry about that. That is just a speculation of why they cursed. But there are many reasons why they would curse him. It may be because his sphere is Anuic and he was more of an Aedra so they wanted to "fix" his sphere into something more chaotic. It was never confirmed why they cursed him so we don't why. But he did have the most powerful army out of all of them. But I never heard any source claim that he was the most powerful. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful anymore after he was beaten by a mortal.

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:                                                                                                     But he did have the most powerful army out of all of them. But I never heard any source claim that he was the most powerful. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful anymore after he was beaten by a mortal.

      aah..... if you Play ES : Oblivion Shiverin Isles you can hear Jygalag saying that other Princes cursed him because they are fearful of his power, 

      and right after you defeat Jyglagg in the Prince of Madness quest he officialy called the COC the Sheogorath, Prince of Madness....... so he's obviously not being beaten by a mortal 

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    • Hbxn wrote:
      24.44.141.89 wrote:                                                                                                     But he did have the most powerful army out of all of them. But I never heard any source claim that he was the most powerful. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful anymore after he was beaten by a mortal.

      aah..... if you Play ES : Oblivion Shiverin Isles you can hear Jygalag saying that other Princes cursed him because are fearful because of his power, 



      and right after you defeat Jyglagg in the Prince of Madness quest he officialy called the COC the Sheogorath, Prince of Madness....... so he's obviously not being beaten by a mortal 

      Dude, when they were afraid of Jyggy's power, it can mean a few things. First, he had tons of innate POWER, or maybe he had the most POWERFUL military. Finally it could be because he might have a UNIQUE POWER that they feared. Nobody said anything about this.

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    • 202.156.8.10 wrote:
      Hbxn wrote:
      24.44.141.89 wrote:                                                                                                     But he did have the most powerful army out of all of them. But I never heard any source claim that he was the most powerful. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful anymore after he was beaten by a mortal.

      aah..... if you Play ES : Oblivion Shiverin Isles you can hear Jygalag saying that other Princes cursed him because are fearful because of his power, 



      and right after you defeat Jyglagg in the Prince of Madness quest he officialy called the COC the Sheogorath, Prince of Madness....... so he's obviously not being beaten by a mortal 

      Dude, when they were afraid of Jyggy's power, it can mean a few things. First, he had tons of innate POWER, or maybe he had the most POWERFUL military. Finally it could be because he might have a UNIQUE POWER that they feared. Nobody said anything about this.

      or It can mean all of the things above....

      though your oppinion controvert to mine, i can still respect that :)

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    • Hbxn wrote:

      and right after you defeat Jyglagg in the Prince of Madness quest he officialy called the COC the Sheogorath, Prince of Madness....... so he's obviously not being beaten by a mortal 

      You were the Daedric Prince of Madness AFTER you defeated Jyggalag. Also, I think the main reason why Jyggalag was so powerful was because of his library. Well, he doesn't have it anymore since it was destroyed. and what 202. said.

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    • And they also probably feared him because he was growing power immensely fast so he could have been the strongest. But nobody said anything about him being the strongest. Either way, I'm pretty sure he lost his power. But we can never know.

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:

      Hbxn wrote: and right after you defeat Jyglagg in the Prince of Madness quest he officialy called the COC the Sheogorath, Prince of Madness....... so he's obviously not being beaten by a mortal 

      You were the Daedric Prince of Madness AFTER you defeated Jyggalag. Also, I think the main reason why Jyggalag was so powerful was because of his library. Well, he doesn't have it anymore since it was destroyed. and what 202. said.

      If we think of this LOGICALLY if Jyggalag who at the time isn't a SHEOGORATH, then who is Sheogorath ? Who bears its power.....?  wtf is this Library again (I'll be glad if you show official source)


      I'm following official game Info rathering than hearing book lores or the riddling 'IL', Jyggalag himself said that other Princes FEARED him, So i don't care if he's feared because that he's the strongest, having scariest face , "he was growing power immensely fast" , Library   -_- 


      though all of the speculation above can be true but


      all i'm going to believe is that from the 17 Daedric Princes, Jyggalag is the most feared one.....

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    • I'd say Sheorgath. All actions of other Princes are pretty much predictable. I mean... Imagine being a powerful warrior eating a dinner, and suddenly through a window you see a guy in a violet suit riding a rainbow mammoth, quickly approaching the window. You can run, you can fight, but there is a friggin mammoth destroing your mansion and a crazy gentleman summoning giant, runed, stone chickens and throwing baloons and confetti all around.

      "Sure" you may say, "but I can crush his skull with my mace!", yet before you reach to your weapon you stand on a purple grass and there are bloodthirsty tulips everywhere. But no, you are powerful, aren't you? You can't give up just yet! So you summon your minions, little annoying guys with pointy ears, dinosaur-ish creatures and flying nymphs. Together you fight the tulips, but what now? You are in a middle of a purple field with a bunch of less-than-capable fighters by your side.

      "Well, I'm powerful" you'd say, "I can come back home!". Guess what? YOUR HOME IS DESTROYED, and right about now, some guy is ascending from the steaming mammoth shite, laying on a porch of your beloved rose garden (which of course, as a powerful Prince, you water with tears of unborn children).

      "This is my realm, it exists as I imagine it". Let's just stop here. No matter how powerful you think you are, you will probably never forget the dung on your porch, and the image of nearing flying gay mammoth will haunt your dreams for all eternity.

      And when the whole hope is lost Sheorgath just casually walks to you and puts a party hat on your horned head.

      "Since we are basically eternal I didn't know when to celebrate your birthday". But why in Oblivion would he let the mammoth shit on your roses? BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING MAD.


      And this, my friends, is why Sheorgath is the most powerful.

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    • I think it would have to be a toss up between Boethiah and maybe Jyggalag pre-Sheogorath split, maybe even Mehrunes Dagon since he keeps finding ways into Nirn. Boethiah since they ate an Aedra,Trinimac, in turn creating a daedric prince in the process, Malacth. Jyggalag since he had all the other princes afraid of his growing power enough for them to want to stunt his growth by making him have a split personality, though now that he and sheogorath are no longer one being i wonder if he'd grow powerful again? And Mehrunes Dagon mostly since his sphere is destruction, and change. When almost anything bad happens most people blame him, also with the oblivion crisis still in the minds of everyone in Tamriel I can't see him not being feared anytime soon.

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    • 1. Sheogorath is intelligent beyond measure, as he can trick other DPs, which have near omnipotence (Sheo is omnipotent as well), but his power has not directly been measured. Knowledge/Intelligence does not equal power.

      2. Boethiah ate Trinimac through trickery, not devouring him like a dragon eats mere mortals. The two were evenly matched, so Boethiah resorted to trickery. Trinimac was powerful, but slaying Lorkhan was not that hard considering the Lorkhan wasted almost all his power to create mundus

      3. Mehrunes Dagon was powerful, but he wasted alot of power to breach mundus in the oblivion crisis. Whether his magicka bar has refilled? nobody knows.

      4. As explained above, why the others feared Jyggalag could be because of  many reasons, nobody knows.

      5. Nobody thought of hermaus mora?

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    • I've always seen hermaeus mora as more of a gatherer of knowledge, not excatly using it but hoarding it as like a sort of librarian like the orc in the college of winterhold.

      Sheogorath is smart but he's also quite mad (obviously) as it's said theres a thin line between genius and insanity so idk how he would usee that since one second he could be on a plan to attack a prince get bored and make it rain flaming dogs.

      Boethiah using trickery is kinda it's thing I doubt any of the princes would fight a fair fight.

      Which makes me think even though they consider Peyrite the weakest why havent they just invaded him? Or had some massive war? They're bored all the time and all immortal at most they just change form as with Trinimac and Jyggalag. Maybe they're all evenly matched and either fear or respect each other enough now to some degree that they'd have nothing to gain from proving strength. So they have their champions fight each other sort of like a gladiator fight(molag bal's quest with the boethiah worshiper), even to the point it could be seen as an arms race of sorts.

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    • The DPs are only immortal outside their planes. Kill them in their planes, kill them again while they try to rebirth and they die a permadeath.

      The DPs do not fight a massive war because the attacker will always lose. The planes of oblivion contain much power of the DPs and a DP can manipulate his/her own plane in many ways to screw up an attacker, while the attacker is close to powerless.

      They consider peryite the weakest, but again, thats an opinion.

      Nobody really knows which DP is the most powerful, unless they all reclaim their power from their planes and slug it out in aetherius in some open arena fight or something.

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    • That'd be a fight to see in the arena so long as they didn't do giant forms and stayed dremora sized for the fight.

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    • Some refer to Nocturnal as the Ur-Daedra. If this is true then she would definitely be the most powerful.

      I've seen this before and I have to ask, what exactly does Ur-Daedra mean?. Does it have some relation to the Ur-Tower?

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    • 202.156.8.15 wrote: The DPs are only immortal outside their planes. Kill them in their planes, kill them again while they try to rebirth and they die a permadeath.

      No, you are wrong:

      As part of the divine contract of creation, the Aedra can be killed. Witness Lorkan and the moons.

      The protean Daedra, for whom the rules do not apply, can only be banished

                                                -Aedra and Daedra
      

      Daedric Princes literally can't die, even in their realms.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote: Some refer to Nocturnal as the Ur-Daedra. If this is true then she would definitely be the most powerful.

      I've seen this before and I have to ask, what exactly does Ur-Daedra mean?. Does it have some realation to the Ur-Tower?

      I don't really know. Madman said it's "just a title".

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    • The obvious answer would be Hermaus Mora, Malacath, and Azura. Because they are worshiped as gods in multiple cultures, which would require a lot of power to have such an active role in everyday life.

      If the Daedra gain power from how many people worship them and how fanatically the worship is done, and how active their sphere is in the world, along with some natural power. Which would explain Mehrunes Dagon's power difference in Oblivion and in Skyrim. If that was the case then Azura, and Malacath are the most powerful and Sanguine is the weakest, because merry-making and debauchery are very scarce now, at least in Skyrim.

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      The obvious answer would be Hermaus Mora, Malacath, and Azura. Because they are worshiped as gods in multiple cultures, which would require a lot of power to have such an active role in everyday life.

      If the Daedra gain power from how many people worship them and how fanatically the worship is done, and how active their sphere is in the world, along with some natural power. Which would explain Mehrunes Dagon's power difference in Oblivion and in Skyrim. If that was the case then Azura, and Malacath are the most powerful and Sanguine is the weakest, because merry-making and debauchery are very scarce now, at least in Skyrim.

      Good point. But I would say Hermaeus is the most powerful out of those three you mentioned because he is entropy so he cannot decrease. Knowledge does not require mortals, It's just there. Azura and Hermaeus would probably be the most powerful as they require no medium to cause their powers to permeate. Others such as Sanguine, Peryite, and Meridia are weaker because they do require mortals to fullfill them.

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    • And I believe Dagon before the Oblivion Crisis would be one of the most powerful.

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    • Hbxn wrote: If we think of this LOGICALLY if Jyggalag who at the time isn't a SHEOGORATH, then who is Sheogorath ? Who bears its power.....?  wtf is this Library again (I'll be glad if you show official source)

      "Your predecessor cursed me with immortality and placed me in this remote location in order to "protect His Realm from my knowledge." In truth, I was Jyggalag's trusted chamberlain and the keeper of the great library. He could not bring himself to destroy the knowledge that I represent, which is to say, precise predictions of all that is, has been, and will be." He explains that Knifepoint Hollow was once the great library of Jyggalag: "The great library was the height of logic and deduction. Contained within its walls were the formulaic predictions of every action ever taken by any creature, mortal or Daedric. Every birth. Every death. The rise of Tiber Septim. The Numidium. Everything. All predicted with the formulae found within Jyggalag's library. When Sheogorath discovered the library, He had it burned, insisting that it was an abomination and that personal choice defied logical prediction. I am all that remains of the knowledge contained within the great library of Jyggalag."                                                                                                     - Dyus

      Jyggalag doesn't have his library anymore. Sheogorath burned it. And that cursed Sheogorath became Jyggalag. Either way, you did not have your full DP powers when you became Sheogorath as you were still able to be killed so that makes you as powerful as a mortal when you were fighting Jyggalag. So it probably took a long time to get your full DP powers. Also, if Jyggalag is still the most powerful by your logic, then how come Sheogorath, another Daedric Prince, beat him? You just contradicted your own argument.


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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      The obvious answer would be Hermaus Mora, Malacath, and Azura. Because they are worshiped as gods in multiple cultures, which would require a lot of power to have such an active role in everyday life.

      Daedra gain most of their power from worship in their own Oblivion realms I think.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Some refer to Nocturnal as the Ur-Daedra. If this is true then she would definitely be the most powerful.

      I've seen this before and I have to ask, what exactly does Ur-Daedra mean?. Does it have some relation to the Ur-Tower?

      "Nocturnal is accorded the title Ur-dra by nearly all the Royalty of Oblivion. As the mother of night, she claims to be an aspect of the original Void itself, and it is generally deemed best to fortify this declaration in one’s evening prayers."               - Imperial Census of Daedra Lords

      I don't exactly know what it means. I just thought it meant that she is the most powerful. But as I said, MadMan claims it to be "just a title". However, I saw someone say something on here that it means that it is a "title to remind everyone that she came first" so it may be that she was the first born of the Daedra. But I'm really not sure. I messaged SajuukKhar about this. He should know.

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Some refer to Nocturnal as the Ur-Daedra. If this is true then she would definitely be the most powerful.I've seen this before and I have to ask, what exactly does Ur-Daedra mean?. Does it have some relation to the Ur-Tower?

      I don't exactly know what it means. I just thought it meant that she is the most powerful. But as I said, MadMan claims it to be "just a title". However, I saw someone say something on here that it means that it is a "title to remind everyone that she came first" so it may be that she was the first born of the Daedra.

      This seems the most legitament defintition as the Ur-Tower is the first structure on Nirn. Though Lorkhan came before her and he is full blooded Padomaic, so technically Lorkhan could be considered the first born "Daedra", though he is not a Daedra.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      24.44.141.89 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Some refer to Nocturnal as the Ur-Daedra. If this is true then she would definitely be the most powerful.I've seen this before and I have to ask, what exactly does Ur-Daedra mean?. Does it have some relation to the Ur-Tower?
      I don't exactly know what it means. I just thought it meant that she is the most powerful. But as I said, MadMan claims it to be "just a title". However, I saw someone say something on here that it means that it is a "title to remind everyone that she came first" so it may be that she was the first born of the Daedra.
      This seems the most legitament defintition as the Ur-Tower is the first structure on Nirn. Though Lorkhan came before her and he is full blooded Padomaic, so technically Lorkhan could be considered the first born "Daedra", though he is not a Daedra.

      Yeah, I know he was born before her but I was just talking about the Daedric Princes. So I guess I was wrong on saying that it means that she is the most powerful when it really means that she is the eldest.

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    • But I'm guessing "Ur" means first so Akatosh and Lorkhan would be considered the "Ur-Aedras".

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:
      But I'm guessing "Ur" means first so Akatosh and Lorkhan would be considered the "Ur-Aedras".

      I wouldn't consider Lorkhan an Aedra. Akatosh and Lorkhan would be more like the Ur-Et'ada.

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    • Crimson Roe wrote:
      I think Azura are the most powerful of Daedra. She has the Azura Star, so she can trap another Daedra Prince soul and use it for enchanting.

      The Daedra have no souls. There are no Dremora in the Soul Cairn.

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    • Not all souls go to Soul Cairn mate. We have no idea how many afterlife realms there are. Theres Sovngarde, the Hunting Grounds, God knows what for the rest of them. There could be a special spot for the Daedra as well. Perhaps they return to Sithis.

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    • I'm pretty sure Daedras don't really die as the places they live are already in a way afterlifes.

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    • Not necessarily. Oblivion is simply just another dimension. An evil looking dimension that looks like hell, but just another dimesnion none the less. More study is required to make assumptions though.

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    • The same can be said about afterlifes... The fact that followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms when they die proves that technically Oblivion realms are afterlifes. Lesser Daedra can be related to Angels and Demons.

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    • They dont die though. Their essence is simply returned to another place. Theres no coming back from where you send someone human or Mer to their grave unless in the form of a spirit. Daedra come back as living things.

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    • Madman97 wrote:
      They dont die though. Their essence is simply returned to another place. Theres no coming back from where you send someone human or Mer to their grave unless in the form of a spirit. Daedra come back as living things.

      By "followers of Daedra" I'm referring to mortals of Mundus.

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    • I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.

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    • Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.

      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.

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    • I don't think their strength is based upon how many followers they have or who worship them since they came before mortals and since nobody even knew of Jyggalag until Oblivion, yet alone even worshiped him, I can't see that being a form of strength for them. I believe them having followers is a form of amusement for the more chaotic and a reward for the more "good" daedra, sort of like how Nords get to go to Sovngarde, a good follower of Azura would go to Moonshadow. Who knows though they could be powered up on faith but I highly doubt.

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    • Madman97 wrote:
      or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.

      I think Peryite's realm is just an office full of paperwork. While he sits there trying to keep natural order, and reassign Daedra to different realms. When Sheogorath turns into Jyggalag during the Greymarch, and turns all of Nirn into the U.S.S.R. for a while.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.
      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.

      AHEMMM...I believe I said it requires more study. I really rather doubt that followers normally go to their favored Daedra's realm, but it may be possible, and it requires further study at this time.

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    • Some realms don't allow mortal souls in them.

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    • Madman97 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.
      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.
      AHEMMM...I believe I said it requires more study. I really rather doubt that followers normally go to their favored Daedra's realm, but it may be possible, and it requires further study at this time.

      Oh no! you did not just "AHEMMM" me... •‿•

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.
      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.
      AHEMMM...I believe I said it requires more study. I really rather doubt that followers normally go to their favored Daedra's realm, but it may be possible, and it requires further study at this time.
      Oh no! you did not just "AHEMMM" me... •‿•

      yes he did

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    • hehe just messin around with you

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.
      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.

      Those are their afterlife alright.. But what if one decide to worship both Aedra & Daedra? woulodn't that mess things up?

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.
      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.
      Those are their afterlife alright.. But what if one decide to worship both Aedra & Daedra? woulodn't that mess things up?

      I think it would apply to strict Daedra worshippers. Though really It would probably depend mostly on which god you worship the most.

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    • hircine he gave me a gift and i like it

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    • The gift of laughter? Wait, he didn't get you pregnant did he?

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    • lol no i meant lycanthropy. you gave me the gift of laughter

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    • ha im still laughing

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    • by the way i am a male

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    • I know. That was the joke. If you want a real gift, get the gift of madness from my pal Sheo. It's a real doozy.

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    • i can beleive it

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    • Very late to the party, but maybe he isn't, but I'd like to think Sheogorath is at least ONE of the most powerful. Insane and unpredicable, yet something about him gives off a great sense of power

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    • Xxgoldwyvernxx wrote:
      hircine he gave me a gift and i like it

      This is about who is the most powerful, not who is your favorite. Hircine was outsmarted by Sheogorath and at 1/3 of his power, he was defeated by the Nerevarine so I wouldn't say he's the most powerful.

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    • And since Sheogorath is supposed to be the weakened form of Jyggalag, clearly Jyggalag is the most powerful. And now that his curse of madness is broken, he is restored to his former glory and can begin rebuilding that which he lost.

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    • Dark Jeto wrote:
      And since Sheogorath is supposed to be the weakened form of Jyggalag, clearly Jyggalag is the most powerful. And now that his curse of madness is broken, he is restored to his former glory and can begin rebuilding that which he lost.

      Jyggalag was beaten by a mortal (HoK). I wouldn't say he's the most powerful anymore.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.
      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.
      Those are their afterlife alright.. But what if one decide to worship both Aedra & Daedra? woulodn't that mess things up?
      I think it would apply to strict Daedra worshippers. Though really It would probably depend mostly on which god you worship the most.

      Considering that the Companions would be forced into Hircine's Hunting Grounds, whether they'd prefer Soverngarde or not, I would say that it depends on who your soul belongs to. Lycanthropy is obviously how one becomes a servant to Hircine, becoming a Nightingale dedicates yourself to Nocturnal, and during the House of Horrors quest the follower of Boethiah subjugates himself to Molag Bal pretty much by agreeing to do so. So there is some form of rules that govern the ownership of souls between Daedric Princes. Since Hircine can claim souls normally bound for Soverngarde as his own, I would think that Daedric ownership would take precedence over Aedric. The real question is, however, assuming the Dragonborn becomes the Champion of Hermaeus Mora, retains his Lycanthropy, and becomes a Nightingale, which Daedric Prince would get primary ownership. I suppose it's possible for their soul to swap between hands based on whether the Princes are willing to share or not, but if all three want sole ownership, who claims it?

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    • Dark Jeto wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Madman97 wrote:
      I do not believe that the followers go to their respective Daedric Princes realms is a proven fact. I dont see any Dagon Worshippers in Hell with him, or any people getting access to Peryite's realm even if they worship him.
      AHEMMM... I believe I said "followers of Daedra normally go to their respective Daedra realms", not always, Such as Nightingales go to Evergloam (or the Twilight Sepulcher), Werewolves go to Hircine's Hunting Grounds and if I remember correctly followers of Azura go to Moonshadow.
      Those are their afterlife alright.. But what if one decide to worship both Aedra & Daedra? woulodn't that mess things up?
      I think it would apply to strict Daedra worshippers. Though really It would probably depend mostly on which god you worship the most.
      however, assuming the Dragonborn becomes the Champion of Hermaeus Mora, retains his Lycanthropy, and becomes a Nightingale, which Daedric Prince would get primary ownership. I suppose it's possible for their soul to swap between hands based on whether the Princes are willing to share or not, but if all three want sole ownership, who claims it?

      Perhaps none do. Perhaps the Dovahkiin becomes a god...

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:
      Xxgoldwyvernxx wrote:
      hircine he gave me a gift and i like it
      This is about who is the most powerful, not who is your favorite. Hircine was outsmarted by Sheogorath and at 1/3 of his power, he was defeated by the Nerevarine so I wouldn't say he's the most powerful.

      oh then probably sheogorath CHEEZE!

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    • I agree with the fact that the ownersip of ones soul to the Daedra within Daedra is one to be disputed. The Dragonborn is an exceedingly powerful individual, and owning him would give you some pretty rad bragging rights, and Pride is an important factor when it comes to the Princes, who fancy themselves gods. Thus, many arguments will be held on the Dragonborns ownership, but I think the result will be that the Dragonborn will simply just not bow down and will free himself from any and all subjecations.

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:
      Hbxn wrote: If we think of this LOGICALLY if Jyggalag who at the time isn't a SHEOGORATH, then who is Sheogorath ? Who bears its power.....?  wtf is this Library again (I'll be glad if you show official source)
      "Your predecessor cursed me with immortality and placed me in this remote location in order to "protect His Realm from my knowledge." In truth, I was Jyggalag's trusted chamberlain and the keeper of the great library. He could not bring himself to destroy the knowledge that I represent, which is to say, precise predictions of all that is, has been, and will be." He explains that Knifepoint Hollow was once the great library of Jyggalag: "The great library was the height of logic and deduction. Contained within its walls were the formulaic predictions of every action ever taken by any creature, mortal or Daedric. Every birth. Every death. The rise of Tiber Septim. The Numidium. Everything. All predicted with the formulae found within Jyggalag's library. When Sheogorath discovered the library, He had it burned, insisting that it was an abomination and that personal choice defied logical prediction. I am all that remains of the knowledge contained within the great library of Jyggalag."                                                                                                     - Dyus

      Jyggalag doesn't have his library anymore. Sheogorath burned it. And that cursed Sheogorath became Jyggalag. Either way, you did not have your full DP powers when you became Sheogorath as you were still able to be killed so that makes you as powerful as a mortal when you were fighting Jyggalag. So it probably took a long time to get your full DP powers. Also, if Jyggalag is still the most powerful by your logic, then how come Sheogorath, another Daedric Prince, beat him? You just contradicted your own argument.


      I know if that you'll try to contradict my oppinion which is that Jyggalag is beaten by another Daedric Prince.....till the "death". so whatevs man :)

      and yes i've just "contradict my own argument" as you called it, right after a LONG debate and a LOT of reading from many sources. 

      i take back my oppinion which is that Jyggalag was the Strongest Daedric Prince,

      though its still possible to be true, but as i've said above i'll just keep sticking to the fact if that Jyggalag is the Most feared Daedric Prince, through some unknown certain reason of course...

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    • Madman97 wrote:
      I agree with the fact that the ownersip of ones soul to the Daedra within Daedra is one to be disputed. The Dragonborn is an exceedingly powerful individual, and owning him would give you some pretty rad bragging rights, and Pride is an important factor when it comes to the Princes, who fancy themselves gods. Thus, many arguments will be held on the Dragonborns ownership, but I think the result will be that the Dragonborn will simply just not bow down and will free himself from any and all subjecations.

      Mate I have a theory for you, if daedric weapons and armor require daedra hearts, how do they have weapons and armor? from killing enemy or do lower level daerdra respawn faster and the daedra have a daedric heart equivelent of a vampire cattle? 

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    • Hbxn wrote:
      24.44.141.89 wrote:
      Hbxn wrote: If we think of this LOGICALLY if Jyggalag who at the time isn't a SHEOGORATH, then who is Sheogorath ? Who bears its power.....?  wtf is this Library again (I'll be glad if you show official source)
      "Your predecessor cursed me with immortality and placed me in this remote location in order to "protect His Realm from my knowledge." In truth, I was Jyggalag's trusted chamberlain and the keeper of the great library. He could not bring himself to destroy the knowledge that I represent, which is to say, precise predictions of all that is, has been, and will be." He explains that Knifepoint Hollow was once the great library of Jyggalag: "The great library was the height of logic and deduction. Contained within its walls were the formulaic predictions of every action ever taken by any creature, mortal or Daedric. Every birth. Every death. The rise of Tiber Septim. The Numidium. Everything. All predicted with the formulae found within Jyggalag's library. When Sheogorath discovered the library, He had it burned, insisting that it was an abomination and that personal choice defied logical prediction. I am all that remains of the knowledge contained within the great library of Jyggalag."                                                                                                     - Dyus

      Jyggalag doesn't have his library anymore. Sheogorath burned it. And that cursed Sheogorath became Jyggalag. Either way, you did not have your full DP powers when you became Sheogorath as you were still able to be killed so that makes you as powerful as a mortal when you were fighting Jyggalag. So it probably took a long time to get your full DP powers. Also, if Jyggalag is still the most powerful by your logic, then how come Sheogorath, another Daedric Prince, beat him? You just contradicted your own argument.


      I know if that you'll try to contradict my oppinion which is that Jyggalag is beaten by another Daedric Prince.....till the "death". so whatevs man :)

      and yes i've just "contradict my own argument" as you called it, right after a LONG debate and a LOT of reading from many sources. 

      i take back my oppinion which is that Jyggalag was the Strongest Daedric Prince,

      though its still possible to be true, but as i've said above i'll just keep sticking to the fact if that Jyggalag is the Most feared Daedric Prince, through some unknown certain reason of course...

      Madman97-The reason is quite obvious. He knows every action they will ever make. 

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    • 24.19.86.242 wrote:                                                                                                     Madman97-The reason is quite obvious. He knows every action they will ever make. 

      are you speaking to me or Madman97 ?

      If, just IF you really are speaking to me then i'll be glad if you can explain distinctively :)  

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    • Hbxn wrote:
      24.19.86.242 wrote:                                                                                                     Madman97-The reason is quite obvious. He knows every action they will ever make. 
      are you speaking to me or Madman97 ?

      If, just IF you really are speaking to me then i'll be glad if you can explain distinctively :)  

      What the heck is up with the argument right above this? Sheogorath and Jyggalag were the same person up until his defeat at the hands of the Hero of Kvatch. "Also, if Jyggalag is still the most powerful by your logic, then how come Sheogorath, another Daedric Prince, beat him?", they're the same exact person, how is this even a valid question?

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    • Dark Jeto wrote:
      Hbxn wrote:
      24.19.86.242 wrote:                                                                                                     Madman97-The reason is quite obvious. He knows every action they will ever make. 
      are you speaking to me or Madman97 ?

      If, just IF you really are speaking to me then i'll be glad if you can explain distinctively :)  

      What the heck is up with the argument right above this? Sheogorath and Jyggalag were the same person up until his defeat at the hands of the Hero of Kvatch. "Also, if Jyggalag is still the most powerful by your logic, then how come Sheogorath, another Daedric Prince, beat him?", they're the same exact person, how is this even a valid question?

      Jeto my man

      have you even read the whole discussions below it...... -_-

      if you haven't then i'll be glad to explain it again....

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    • Too much quotes and words. Short version please. :)

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    • Jyggalag was the Prince of Order and Deduction, who recorded every action ever made and will make by every Daedra, Men, or Mer ever. The Daedra feared this kind of power, and cursed him to become the thing he hated most. Madness. I. E. Sheogorath. Every end of an era, Jyggalag was allowed to be transformed back into his former self and take over his land again, in an event known as the Greymarch, only to change back into Sheogorath. The Hero of Kvatch came upon one such Greymarch, and defeated Jyggalag and broke the cycle, thus freeing Jyggalag from his curse, and the Hero of Kvatch becoming the new Sheogorath.

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    • Thats the long story. Short story is Hero of Kvatch is a beast.

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    • No I get that part, I mean why is AWC: 24.44.141.89 talking like Sheogorath and Jyggalag are two different people. How does the line "Also, if Jyggalag is still the most powerful by your logic, then how come Sheogorath, another Daedric Prince, beat him?" make any sense when you take into account the fact that they were in fact both the same person?

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    • In my opinion:

      Was- Jyggalag

      Now (Skyrim)- Probably Molag Bal, Lord of Domination

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    • Dark Jeto wrote:
      No I get that part, I mean why is AWC: 24.44.141.89 talking like Sheogorath and Jyggalag are two different people. How does the line "Also, if Jyggalag is still the most powerful by your logic, then how come Sheogorath, another Daedric Prince, beat him?" make any sense when you take into account the fact that they were in fact both the same person?

      I was talking about the HoK Sheogorath. He beat Jyggalag which proves that Jyggalag is no longer the most powerful Daedric Prince. Also, read the whole conversation Hbxn and I have made to understand.

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    • Of course Jyggalag isn't the most powerful anymore. He was cursed, and since he was recently brought back, he is probably very weak, thus alllowing a mortal like HoK to defeat him. At full power, Jyggalag would have simply waved his hand and the Shivering Isles would be no more. Jyggalag is not the most powerful. However, if one would direct themselves to my theory blogs on Jyggalag and his standing with Hermaous Mora, one would find an optimum reason to believe that Mora is now the most powerful.

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    • If it were a tournament between the Daedric Princes, their are really only two options: Sheogorath and Hermaeus Mora. That would really be an interesting fight. I favor Mora, but if there's anyone who can defeat the Demon of Knowledge, it's Sheogorath. Sheogorath's level of madness lies outside of all reason and comprehension, which gives him the advantage of unpredictability. This, in effect, neutralizes Hermeaus Mora's greatest weapon: Sheogorath my well be the only thing in the universe that can catch him off guard. If the Accords of Madness are to be believed, Sheogorath already has defeated three Daedric Princes in competitions, including Malacath, most of the time without even trying. This is definitely a testament to the kind of power he's capable of. And, despite his prolonged struggle with Jyggalag, I'd say he definitely came out victorious in the end. Hermeaus Mora, on the other hand, is a lot more secretive. He doesn't showcase his power, unlike the other Daedric Princes. I can only imagine this is because he believes knowledge is power, and he's loath to share his power with anyone, save a select few, namely Miraak and the Last Dragonborn. No one really knows how powerful Hermeaus Mora is, but I have the feeling that if he wanted to, he could easily usurp any of the other Daedric Princes (I also hold to the theory that Hermaeus Mora was the one who spearheaded the attack against Jyggalag.) Except for perhaps Sheogorath. Sheogorath is a flaw in the world that seems to have his own way of getting the upper hand over anyone. It's honestly a toss up between these two. But the more I think about it, the more I favor Hermaeus Mora. Compare it too a chess game. One player is a grandmaster (Hermaeus Mora), and the other is cunning and savagely unpredictable (Sheogorath). The unpredictable one is certainly going to get the drop on the grandmaster every now and then simply by making moves the former never anticipated. He has the "Hitleresque" improvisational style that makes him downright lethal in a blitzkrieg. But eventually, like Hitler, he's going to make a mistake. Probably a major one. And a really obvious, stupid one. So eventually, Hermaeus Mora would win the victory. Of course, I've only been talking in terms of human insanity. Sheogorath isn't a human by any stretch of the imagination; he's a Daedra. So he just might win yet. Going back to the Chess metaphor, Sheogorath is just as likely to make a really dumb move as he is to pull out a cheese-covered dolphin and beat Mora to death with it.

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    • On a related note, who else is in favor of a sixth Elder Scrolls game with the main quest built around an all out, drop down battle between all the Daedric Princes?

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    • Why was this thread bumped after 10 months? Anyways, the most powerful Daedric Prince is Nocturnal as she is the Ur-Daedra. Case closed. Let this thread die.

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Crimson Roe wrote:
      I think Azura are the most powerful of Daedra. She has the Azura Star, so she can trap another Daedra Prince soul and use it for enchanting.
      The Daedra have no souls. There are no Dremora in the Soul Cairn.

      Also, if you assume Daedra have souls, their souls would be very powerful. Azura's Star, in it's pure form is unable to capture the soul of sentient creatures, like MORTALS, therefore, Daedra "souls" especially those of the Princes, would also be out of it's reach.

      A Friend

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    • This thread has run it's course, people. Let it die out.

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    • I wonder why Bethesda hasn't really explained who gets what soul when many aedra/daedra have a claim? I hope they do somehow in the next game.

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    • Alduin (I think, if the main questline hasn't been fufilled)

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    • 174.44.92.186 wrote: This thread has run it's course, people. Let it die out.

      If people still want to discuss the topic of what Daedric Prince is the strongest let them. It doesn't matter if the thread was dead. As long as it doesn't get off topic they can continue.

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    • Okay. I just don't believe it's right to revive a thread that is more than 10 months old......

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    • Also, this thread has already gone off topic since people are now talking about Daedric souls instead of the topic. And we already know who the most powerful Daedric Prince is.

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    • You're referring to you post about Nocturnal? Well that is debatable. Just because she claims to be the first Daedra doesn't make her the most powerful. Jyggalag used to hold the place of most powerful Daedra and he was not the Ur-Daedra. So that title alone doesn't count for much, power wise at least.

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    • lulz, Ur-Daedra doesn't just mean she was the first. She is a literal aspect of the original void and Nocturnal has been implied to have been there from the beggining, unlike all the other Daedra, who migrated there from Aetherius. She has a mythical power and influence exceeding that of any other Daedric Prince. And if that is not enough for you, know this: back when Reman was working on his space program, there was a lot of dissent due to fear of the princes sabotaging the effort or otherwise punishing those involved; after all, these ships would be entering the domain of the daedra. But Nocturnal, for reasons unknown, basically told the other princes to shut up and let it slide; they did, without question. And we all know that the Daedric Princes rarely agree on anything.

      "The Sixteen-Plus Princes of Tumult lent their nymic oaths in their first display of coalition since the Fall of Lyg in the previous kalpa. Conjecture points to some machinations of Nocturnal, who took on her mantle of Ur-Dra of Oblivion, and it was by her primogeniture that Reman was able to pursue cosmic aquisition without further censure."     - Tatterdamelion: The Lunar Provinces of Secunda

      One should probably consider her artifacts. While many daedric artifacts are tools of great destruction, Nocturnal's might seem ordinary in comparison. But consider that the Grey Cowl almost completely obscures the identity of the wearer, even retroactively removing them from records; very dragonbreak-y, no? Meanwhile, the Skeleton Key can be used to unlock anything. Including the divine potential hidden in every mortal.

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    • Also, Jyggalag was not really the most powerful. They feared he would, due to the expansion of his realm.

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    • Jyggalag obviously was the most powerful, or else the other daeda wouldn't feel the need to band together to put a stop to his power. But after the events of Oblivion, he likely lost a lot of his power, but was freed from turning into Sheogorath. However, the reason the daedra cursed him was because of his realm's expansion, which means he was continuosly gaining power. Since he was freed, I think that he is slowly regaining his power and will eventually be as powerful as he was before the curse of Sheogorath.

      If we do not count Jyggalag since he is probably regaining his power, than Sheogorath is pobably the most powerful. The reason for this is shown in the books telling of Sheogorath challenging other Princes, in which he wins all of them. But, this was before the Hero of Kvatch became Sheogorath and he may have lost a lot of power like Jyggalag did.

      If this is the case, then the most powerful Prince would be narrowed down between Boethia, Hermaeus Mora, Mephala, and Azura (Mehrunes Dagon's aspect was defeated and his plan failed, Malacath is what became of Trinimac after being defeated by Boethia, Hircine's aspect was defeated in Bloodmoon, and the rest are considered to be weaker Princes). I would say that Hermaeus Mora or Boethia would take the cake.


      On a side note, I would like to point out that Sheogorath possibly has a large influence in Cyrodil during Oblivion, because of his decree that no one shall have a beard besides him.

      And no one does.

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    • ^ I forgot to add Nocturnal to the potential most powerful

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    • It is fated that Sithis will enact the cycle of existence and plunge Mundus, Aetherius, and Oblivion into the Void from once they came...making the universe ripe for the next existence

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    • Hermaeus Mora, you have to complete all other Daedric quests in Oblivion before you can do his. Or Molag Bal, father of vampires, had an affair with Vivec, main antagonist of ESO. Thought of merging Mundus and Oblivion two eras before Mehrunes Dagon did (dark anchors)

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    • I think it's good ole hircne you may be asking why? Well for starters hircine like any deadra can curse anyone usually with lycanthropy we've seen what he made sinding go through he could curse anyone with it although he usually wouldn't because he's basicly the border line between aedra and aedra like deadra and evil deadra

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    • If hircine were to curse everyone with lycanthropy the entire population would all go to his hunting grounds and Wichita he would gain even more power easily beating all the others but he may not be able to beat sheogorath because sheogorath could snap his fingers and your head could be cheese,

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    • its been awhile.

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    • Hermaeus Mora, Master of the Tides of Fate. He holds knowledge of all things, including presumably the other daedric prince and their individual realm of oblivion. In oblivion, you had to complete all other daedric quests before doing his. The Oghma Infinium contains the knowledge of the ages, including but not necessarily limited to combat,stealth, and magic. If there is a way to destroy aedra or daedra permanently, he would know it. He acquired the first Dragonborn as his champion, played him against the last dragonborn and bestowing both the knowledge of controlling Dragons,acquired the last dragonborn as his champion, and even learned the secrets of the all maker. Assuming he is not lying, he knows even the dragonborns fate, and claims to be able to control all fates. Mehrunes dagons mysterium xarxes was made from knowledge in the oghma infinium, and the xarxes alone was able to create mankar camorans paradise.

      "Did i not tell you, when i gave you my oghma infinium, that your free will...is an illusion?"

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    • Jyggalag is the most powerful. He was so powerful that all the daedra princes cursed him so that he becomes the opposite of himslelf. Instead of The Daedric Prince of Order, he became The Daedric Prince of Madness. Hence: Sheogorath. But in oblivion with the expansion Shuvering Isles, we help him breake the curse forever. Jyggalag thanks us at the end and Sheogorath returns like every time. But this time not as Jyggalag but a different god himself. Now Jyggalag and Sheogorath are two different Gods and Jyggalag is the most powerful of them all.

      Ps: the weakest god is Peryite

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    • Hermaeus Mora. He knows everything, and if he knows everything, he knows what the other Princes are up to. He's relatively secluded and his acts effect less people then, say, Sanguine or Mehrunes Dagon. He knows everything, which makes him confident in his knowledge that he is supreme. Knowledge is Power.

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    • Dude jyggalag is the strongest he predicted that he would die by letting himself die on purpose so as to be free from Sheograth. He even said "now I'm free". Also daedric princes can't die and so jyggalag is still the strongest. You beating him doesn't count as in reality he would just crush you if he was in his full strength. The game let you beat him so that you can clear the DLC. Furthermore even if you were to beat him you actually beat him with the help of sheograth and against a jyuggalag that is weakened from a curse and not in his full power state.

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    • Jyuggalag predicts everything,the past, the present and the future including you coming to shivering isle and him dying. He just let you kill him to be free from the curse. He even predicted that you will become sheograth.

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    • Probably Molag Bal. If he wants to, he can just take your soul and keep it. The Vestige needed multiple guilds to launch the attack in ESO. And he's the lord of domination.  

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    • OK, an old thread but lets throw some logic out here.

      Jyggalag wasn't feared because he was teh most powerful, he was feared because of the nature of his power. He was the daedric prince of order, a concept which is the very antithesis of what it means to be daedra, a deity of change, of chaos. He was cursed so that he would be weaker, he was cursed that his power would be inverted, essentially his power would become that of chaos and madness itself. Jyggalag's power never came from the library, it came from his ability to create the library, to make those predictions in the first place. This is a demonstration of his complete understanding of other beings of all ilk.

      Now, as Sheogorath, he never lost this understanding, which is why Sheogorath is such a fantastic trickster, why he was able to best so many of the other daedric princes, he simply uses the same understanding in a different way. He was now the daedric prince (chaotic deific entity) of chaos and madness, let that sink in (probably the most powerful simply by the fact that all other daedra now fall within his sphere of influence). When the HoK became Sheogorath he took on all that Sheogorath ever was and ever will be, all the power and knowledge held by the former Sheogorath. So new Sheo was supposedly exactly as powerful as old Sheo or Jyggy. Or was he?

      Here's where the wrench enters the works. At the time this transformation began, the HoK was in possession of several things that very clearly tip the scales in his favour. The skeleton key unlocks potential of a mortal and how much potential does a mortal transforming into a daedric prince of chaos and madness have? Unlimited. Also, the now cleansed grey cowl, the only daedric artifact that does not get reclaimed by its daedric prince creator but is instead handed down from thieves guild master to thieves guild master. Considering that Sheo in Skyrim specifically makes reference to this artifact, it's fairly safe to assume that it is now firmly and eternally in his possession. The ability to truly conceal his identity from all beings. An unknowable entity indeed.

      As for the other potentials mentioned throughout this thread, well.....

      Vaermina can plague everyone with nightmares thus either driving them mad (see Sheogorath) or utterly deprive them of sleep which results in them going mad (again see Sheogorath).

      Nocturnal is the Ur-dra.... and? So she's the Ur (first, origin, source) has nothing to do with power, might gain her respect or whatever but it says nothing about how powerful she is. What would be a better argument would be that darkness permeates all of oblivion where the daedric princes' realms are located, so her power can touch all realms maybe? But given that all daedric realms are completely and utterly under the power of their ruler, she still holds no direct power over any of the other daedric princes, unlike theoretically, Sheo.

      Herma Moraon the other hand has real potential. Hidden and forbidden knowledge, likely even that which would allow him to harm, coerce or manipulate other daedric princes with only the unknowable Sheo falling truly outside his sphere of influence. 


      In summary, Sheogorath is probably the most powerful of all the daedra by a long shot, he just isn't interested in taking over or usurping anyone. He just wants to have fun.

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    • Small correction to my post above, meant to say that Jyggylag was not cursed to be weaker, but to have his power inverted. So that he was no longer the 'anti-daedra' so to speak.

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    • Hermaeus Mora, Daedric Prince of Forbidden Knowledge and the Tides of Fate. Hermaeus Mora has an advantage over the other DPs because he has knowledge and will therefore be able to predict their moves, as 129.225.228.32 said like a game of chess, Hermaeus Mora's sibling Mephala is said to have disguised herself as the Night Mother in order to control the Dark Brotherhood after they broke away from the Morag Tong. Hermaeus Mora also has experience tricking mortals, this is a story from a book in skyrim: "Ysgramor was hunting a sacred white stag which was legendary in Atmora for glory, and after hours of tracking, came across a stream at which the stag was drinking. Ysgramor drew his bow, took aim and fired an arrow at the stag. The arrow missed by a hairs width and nestled into the snow at the stag's feet. The stag looked up at Ysgramor and before he could draw his bow again, the stag pranced into the forest out of sight. Ysgramor cursed, he had missed a once in lifetime chance. While he was scolding himself, a rabbit bounded out of the trees and settled next to Ysgramor before speaking. The rabbit told Ysgramor the exact location of the stag, in his disbelief Ysgramor asked the rabbit how he knew of the stag's location, the rabbit returned by informing Ysgramor that due to his long ears he could hear the stag's movements. Ysgramor asked the rabbit how if he could get ears like his. The rabbit obliged and Ysgramor began to feel his ears lengthening and tapering. Suddenly a fox jumped from the forest and savagely ate the rabbit. Ysgramor felt his ears return to their normal size, the fox looked at Ysgramor and told him that the rabbit was Haermaeus Mora in disguise and he had tried to trick Ysgramor into becoming an elf." This story proves that Hermaeus Mora often disguises himself and tricks mortals as he played the first and last dragonborn against each other to further his goals. The bosmer or wood elfs worship y'ffre who made them sign the green pact in return for living in Valenwood. Y'ffre has not been confirmed as an Aedra, a Magna-ge or a Daedra. He was, as far as we know, not one of the Et-Ada. I theorise that Y'ffre is Hermaeus Mora in disguise. We have agreed that worship makes daedra more powerful and if Hermaeus Mora could trick the bosmer into worship he could gain more power. Fudgemuppet have made a video on the subject which is very helpful. Also his artefacts are among the most powerful. The dwemer, deep elves or dwarves who are credited with being the most intelligent of all the mortal races, often travelled to Apocrypha and owned a Black Book as well as Hermaeus Mora's most known artefact the Oghma Infinium, The cover of which being made of the skin of each elf race.

      In summary Hermaeus Mora could predict the moves of every other Daedric Prince before they made them (with the exception of Sheogorath) and order his armies of seekers and lurkers much more effectively.

      Also he is the coolest looking in my opinion.

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    • One thing that has been overlooked by many people on this thread is that no Daedric Prince would fight alone. Each Daedric Prince would raise an army to increase their chances of winning. These armies would be made up of; realm specific daedra, (for example Meridia's Auroreans, Mephala's spider daedra, Mehrunes Dagon's Xivlai and scamps, Boethiath's hunger, Sheogoraths golden saints and dark seducers, Hermaeus Mora's Lurkers and Seekers, Malacaths Ogrim and Molag Bal's Xivkyn and dark seducers along with many others),  non specific daedra (Daedroth, Dremora, flesh atronachs and other elemental atronachs and many more) and mortal folllowers (Mehrunes Dagon's Mytic Dawn, Molag Bal's devout vampires Hircine's lycanthropes, Nocturnal's Nightingdales and many more).

      I believe that Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon would have the largest armies but not all daedra are created equal, one spider daedra could kill hundreds of dremora and Meridia's Auroreans would be exceptionally lethal to Molag Bal's vampire for obvious reasons.

      The player characters would also play a part in the battle, I think that the Eternal Champion (Arena), the Hero of Daggerfall (Daggerfall), the Neverarine (Morrowind) and the Dragonborn (Skyrim) would all be neutral. The Hero of Kvatch (Oblivion) and the main charcter of Battlespire would be unlikely to side with Mehrunes Dagon as he was the main antagonist in their respective games. The Vestige (Online) would be unlikely to join Molag Bal as he was the antagonist in their game. Cyrus (Redguard) would join Clavicus Vile for obvious reasons (HINT Cyrus became Barbas).

      The Daedric Princes also have relationships and some have allegiances while others have dislike for each other. Jygallag being the most feared, hated and least known would have no allies while Boethiath, Azura and Mephala would surely join forces.

      Despite popular opinion Jygallag would almost definetely lose to the other Daedric Princes because he would be hugely outnumbered. Jygallag, having no realm, no followers and having lost his library would be outgunned, outnumbered and outsmarted by the other Daedric Princes.

      Jygallag is believed to have studied Nirn and Mundus so meticulously, that he knew everything that had ever and would happen there. Unfortunately for Jygallag fans though, his library was destroyed by Sheogorath meaning that he has lost most of his knowledge. Jygallag's sphere is Order and Deduction, Hermaeus Mora's sphere is Knowledge and Mystery. Hermaeus Mora's library is also still intact unlike Jygallag's. This proves that Hermaeus Mora has more knowledge than Jygallag.

      Jygallag has been cursed and defeated since he rose to prominence above the other Daedric Princes and because this lost most of his power, servants and influence. He is now a shadow of his former self and would surely lose to most other Daedric Princes, even in some cases to Peryite, the weakest of the Princes.

      Other names for Hermaeus Mora include Herma-Mora, Hoermius, Hermorah, Hormaius and The Woodland Man. He was originally within the ancient nord pantheon and recieved worship because of this. WORSHIP DOES GIVE DAEDRA AND AEDRA POWER. This fact has been proven many times, it is why the Thalmor try to stop Talos worship and why Daedra constantly strive for followers, devotees and sacrifices as well as trying to claim the player character as their champion. It can be argued that Nocturnal receives the most worship as all thieves rely on her favour but it can be argued that few thieves actually know that they are even worshiping her. She is also called the Ur-Daedra as in the oldest daedra and the other Princes have been known to show her respect over all others, but does oldest mean most powerful? Alduin was the oldest of all of the dragons and he was the most powerful dragon. Nocturnal, unlike all other Princes has never shown any great power although in her defense her very nature is secrecy. 

      My conclusion is that the only two contendors for the most powerful Princes are Hermaeus Mora and Sheogorath because they have shown the most power, have huge amounts of worshipers (especially if the theory about Hermaeus Mora being Y'ffre is true) and command powerful armies. Other Princes like Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, Azura, Boethiath and Nocturnal come close but have too many shortcomings. With the exception of Clavicus Vile, Hermaeus Mora and Jygallag all Daedric Princes have been tricked and outsmarted by other Daedra and Mortals (See Azura and the Box and The 16 Accords of Madness). Many Princes have shown too little power to be taken seriously compared to events like the Oblivion Crisis, the Dark Anchors and the meteorite being flung at Vivec City. Other Princes' servants are too weak in comparison to others (Scamps compared to Xivkyn).

      I personally believe that the much more intelligent Hermaeus Mora would reliably anticipate Sheogorath's unpredictable actions and counter effectively, rendering the slighty more powerful Sheogorath crippled and always a step or two behind.

      Conclusion : Hermaeus Mora Is The Most Powerful Daedric Princes

      Finally. It took me two super long posts but I have finally proven that Hermaeus Mora is the most powerful of all Daedric Princes.

      Knowledge is Power = Lore is Dominant

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    • 24.44.141.89 wrote:
      I would say Malacath. The reason is because it was never confirmed that he lost any power when he became a Daedra and Trinimac was more powerful then any Aedra/Daedra. If not him then Nocturnal. Some refer to Nocturnal as the Ur-Daedra. If this is true then she would definitely be the most powerful.

      Nope. Trinimac wasn't an especially powerful Aedra and because Aedra used a large amount of their power creating Mundus and because of this they are all less powerful then Daedric Princes so that lore is fake. Also see the post above, Nocturnal isn't the most powerful for many reasons and being the oldest Daedric Prince doesn't mean anything.

      Where did you get the idea that Trinimach was powerful? It's common knowledge that Akatosh/Auriel is the most powerful Aedra which is why he is the chief Aedra. Also Aedra are always less powerful than Magna-Ge or Daedra because of all the Et-Ada the Aedra used the most of their power on creating Mundus.

      Here is some backstory lore. The Et-Ada (The Original Spirits) were tricked by Lorkan (Another Et-Ada) into using their powers and creating Mundus (The Mortal Realm). This was the point at which the Et-Ada split into Daedra, Magna-Ge and Aedra.

      The differences between the three are: The Daedra refused to help create Mundus and never lost any of their power. The Magna-Ge helped at the start but after realising that they had begun to lose their power, left for the aetherius, The first of the Magna-Ge to leave was Magnus for which the rest were named. As the Magna-Ge fled, they tore holes in the Aetherius which, to mortal eyes look like stars and the hole left by Magnus was big enough to be percieved by mortals the sun itself. The Aedra are, contrary to popular opinion the weakest of the three. This is because they used almost all of their power in creating Mundus and it's various races.

      The reason why Aedra have triumphed over Daedra before is because Daedric Princes are weakened when they travel to Mundus from Oblivion.

      Conclusion : Trinimach wasn't actually very powerful

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    • the most powerful daedric prince is sheragorath he beat hircine in a creature creating contest hircine created a terrifying wheredaedra and sheragorath beat it with a colorful little bird also on another daedric princes summoning day he could just take over at will he also won a dream contest against varmenia by doing nothing and Jyggalag was the most powerful but he no longer has that much power and he was created off jyggalag and none of the knowlege owned by the dp of knowlege is his he stole it he didn't even create his own daedric artifact so he is the most powerful  

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    • so sheragorath i the most powerful sorry typo 

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    • yeah sheogorath is powerful, i just think that hermeaus mora would outsmart him.

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    • Read the posts above to find out why

      Also read the 16 accords of madness if you want to hear some funny stories about sheogorath

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    •  hermeaus mora did not create any of his knowledge he stole all of it there is no wayhe would outsmart him he beat almost all daedra at their own game he could beat hermeaus mora at his own game that being a knowlege game 

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    • jyggalag was bested by a mortal in the shivering iles dlc so I dont think he was ever the most powerful 

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    • 216.128.109.88 wrote: jyggalag was bested by a mortal in the shivering iles dlc so I dont think he was ever the most powerful 

      I believe he was in a very weakened state.

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    • 216.128.109.88 wrote: jyggalag was bested by a mortal in the shivering iles dlc so I dont think he was ever the most powerful 

      Ita complicatwd but the CoC isnt exactly a mortal,the hero of everu game is an aspect of the Lorkhan oversoul. So id say Sheogorath os the nost powerful Daedra being a piece of Lorkhan and mantle of Sheogorath at the same time.

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    • well in the elder scrolls they say that every aedra and daedra were all mortals and that they only became aedra and daedra when no one can tell the diference anymore remember what jyggalag said in the shivering iles he couldn't tell if the hero was a mortal king or god and remember the hero becomes the sheragorath that you see in skyrim 

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    • 216.128.109.88 wrote:
      the most powerful daedric prince is sheragorath he beat hircine in a creature creating contest hircine created a terrifying wheredaedra and sheragorath beat it with a colorful little bird also on another daedric princes summoning day he could just take over at will he also won a dream contest against varmenia by doing nothing and Jyggalag was the most powerful but he no longer has that much power and he was created off jyggalag and none of the knowlege owned by the dp of knowlege is his he stole it he didn't even create his own daedric artifact so he is the most powerful.

      So many people in this thread have used the 16 Accords of Madness to prove that Sheogorath is the most powerful but if you have ever actually read the book you will know that he never actually uses power to beat the daedra.

      In his contest against Vaermina he does absolutely nothing and that is really how he wins. All he does is use Vaermina's actions against her. In his contest against Hircine he creates a creature that uses Hircine's beast's own power against it, against most other monsters Sheogorath would lose. In his contest against Malacath he causes a champion orc to enter a bloodlust and kill a priest. Malacath then killed his own champion in revenge, regreting it hugely afterwards.

      Look Up The Book 16 Accords Of Madness And Read It

      Assuming that you have taken five minutes to read the book you will now know that Sheogorath's victories were mere coincidences and examples of the Daedric Princes fallibility, The book Azura and the Box proves that even mortals can trick Daedric Princes.

      Hermaeus Mora did not actually steal all of his knowledge that is just how he gains the majority of his more important knowledge, an example of this is when the Skaal Elder from the Skyrim Dragonborn DLC agrees to give up his Skaal secrets to Hermaeus Mora. He doesn't steal it, he isn't tricked into it, he agrees to give up the secrets to allow the Dragonborn to defeat Miraak.

      Jyggalag ws defeated by the Hero of Kvatch because he was hugely weakened and other Daedric Princes have lost to the player characters because they weren't trying, eg Hircine in the Morrowind DLC Bloodmoon.

      Hermaeus Mora is also one of the most tempting Daedric Princes. In the book The Doors Of Oblivion (which is also a conjuration skill book) two conjurers attempt to visit and document every realm of Oblivion, he visits many realms including Vaermina's Quagmire and Molag Bal's Cold Harbour, eventually reaching Apocrypha the realm of wise Hermaeus Mora who tempts him with vast stores of knowledge and he quickly collects the conjurer as a trophy.

      Sheogorath is more of a fun, loving Daedric Prince who has occasionally bested other Daedric Princes by sheer luck and NOT power alone. By the way, play his quest in Oblivion it is so much fun especially compared to his quest in Skyrim.

      Random Fact : In the Skyrim College of Winterhold quest Good Intentions,Tolfdir states that the Eye is Neither "Elven, Daedric or Ayleid" but in fact the writing on the eye is actually Ayleid although it is gibberish which is very likely just lazy developers, we have seen this in many scripts and books written in other languages, often whole passages are copied and pasted.

      Some of the smartest and most magically gifted races on Nirn are the Dwemer and Ayleids and both worshipped Hermaeus Mora although the Ayleids worshipped other Daedra too. The smartest and most magically gifted House of Morrowind is the Telvanni. The Telvanni also have connections to Hermaeus Mora, eg Neloth of Tel Mithryn who owns a Black Book and actively searches for more.

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    • 99.185.45.53 wrote:

      216.128.109.88 wrote: jyggalag was bested by a mortal in the shivering iles dlc so I dont think he was ever the most powerful 

      Ita complicatwd but the CoC isnt exactly a mortal,the hero of everu game is an aspect of the LorKhan ovversoul. So id say Sheogorath os the nost powerful Daedra being a piece of Lorkhan and manntle of Sheogorath at the same timme

      Nope the Champion of Cyrodil is just a mortal, if a very powerful one, the only player character who isn't mortal is the Dragonborn because of his dragon soul. Lorkan's oversoul is not a part of every player character.

      Just debunking fake lore

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    • see this is complacated in the elderscrolls lore it says that the dwemer never actually worshiped daedra or aedra they thought that they were unworthy and they used the heart of lorkhan to recive all their technological advances and they kind of were right about the aedra not being worthy they can be killed even by a mortal daedra and daedric princes can only be banished back to their realms remember the heart of lorkhan was used in the numidium created by the dwemer and sheragoraths stradegy is to take anybodies strengh against them   

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    • True, Vivec can be quoted saying "and our brethren the dwemer mocked our daedra and preferd instead their gods of Logic and Reason" (Assumably this was before the War of the First Council and the transformation of the chimer) but even if the dwemer had outlawed daedra worship, as in the empire today, a few outliers would still choose to worship daedra which explains the Black Book in Nchardak and the discovery and use of Lorkan's Heart in Red Mountain which became a dwemer stronghold. These are only two examples of dwemer using and owning daedric artefacts (other examples being Spellbreaker and Volendrung) which proves that at least some dwemer worshipped Daedric Princes.

      The last dwemer on Nirn is Yagrum Bagarn (who resides in a Telvanni wizard's home in Morrowind). What is the reason Yagrum didn't disappear like his brethren? He was in Oblivion. Which realm of Oblivion was he in? Apocrypha, the realm of Hermaeus Mora, Daedric Prince of Knowledge and Fate.

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    • Tiberseptim30 wrote:
      see this is complacated in the elderscrolls lore it says that the dwemer never actually worshiped daedra or aedra they thought that they were unworthy and they used the heart of lorkhan to recive all their technological advances and they kind of were right about the aedra not being worthy they can be killed even by a mortal daedra and daedric princes can only be banished back to their realms remember the heart of lorkhan was used in the numidium created by the dwemer and sheragoraths stradegy is to take anybodies strengh against them   

      Good to see that someone else is using real lore on this thread though.

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    • the dragonborn hero is a mortal he doesn't have a dragons soul he just has dragons blood in his killable body and also sheragorath uses luck and pure madness as his strength 

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    • and thank you

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    • I dont really get this argument sithis and auriel are more powerful they both predate the creation of nirn and sithis evenpredates the aedra,daedra and aruiel himself

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    • what about mehrunes? Akatosh had to go dragon form to stop this guy. What are your thoughts about him? OP dagger too, freakin 1 hit even for a slow chance that's too op

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    • Tiberseptim30 wrote:
      I dont really get this argument sithis and auriel are more powerful they both predate the creation of nirn and sithis evenpredates the aedra,daedra and aruiel himself.

      Have you actually read the name of this thread?

      Who is the most powerful Daedric Prince

      Daedric Prince

      Sithis is one of the three original entities in The Elder Scrolls Universe (with Anu and Padomy) and doesn't fall into the category of Aedra, Daedra or Magne-Ge. Technically since Anu and Padomay are dead, Sithis would be the most powerful being in TES but he isn't a Daedric Prince.

      Auriel is an Aedra so he is invalid.

      Also we have already established that Aedra are weaker than Daedra. Auriel is the elven equivalent of Akatosh, he does not predate the other Et-Ada (Aedra, Daedra and Magna-Ge) like Sithis does.

      Some quick background lore,

      The original beings were Sithis, Anu and Padomay. Padomay and Anu fought and killed each other. The Et-Ada came from the remains. One of the Et-Ada, Lorkan asked the other spirits to create Mundus (Nirn is in Mundus). The Aedra agreed and created Mundus, the Magna-Ge helped but then gave up and left for the Aetherius leaving huge holes as they went and the Daedra wouldn't help at all.

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    • The Ur-Tower or Adamantine Tower or Dirreni Tower in High Rock is said to be the first structure on Nirn, created by the Aedra and Magna-Ge and is said to be the meeting point that the Aedra used when planning to kill Lorkan.

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    • Here is the definitive truth about the Dwemer, can we leave them to other threads like,

      Where and Why did the Dwemer/Dwarves/Deep Elves Disappeared?

      I'll answer why first. The Dwemer left the Summerset Isles and the Altmer in the Merethic Era (along with 7 other elf races). After travelling for many years the dwemer settled in the regions of Skyrim,Solsthiem and Morrowind (The farthest North and East provinces of Tamriel). The Dwemer, true to their name of deep elves prefered to live underground despite most magic originating from the sun and stars/the portals to aetherius.

      The dwemer used a special type of magic called tonal magic, which is comparable to the Thu'um of Nords and the Sword Singing of Redguards. The masters of this art were the tonal architects, who created the cities by clearing tunnels of rock and decorating them. It would seem that it was much easier for the Dwemer to build flat walls and sharp corners than arcs and curves but that is just from analysis of their architecture. The Dwemer also had skin which was a deeper shade of gold than the Altmer and beards were very fashionable in Dwemer culture.

      Their language, dwemeris is comparable to falmeris and ayleidoon (likely the work of lazy developers) although the letters appear to be straighter and with less curves than ayleidoon and simpler than falmeris.

      The Dwemer built strongholds across the land and when the daedra worshipping Chimer settled in Morrowind, tensions over territory and food grew, small skirmishes broke out but there was never any major conflict. Some time later a chimer hero called the Nerevar (who was blessed by Azura) brought peace to the land. Despite being a warrior at heart, the Nerevar was also hugely skilled at diplomacy and the art of persuasion through negotiation. The Nerevar used his close relationship with the king of the Dwemer in Morrowind, Dumach to obtain a truce between the two races, unfortunately this would not last.

      While expanding the citadel of the Morrowind Dwemer, Red Mountain the Dwemer found the Heart of Lorkan, the literal heart of the dead god Lorkan, which was fired from Auriel's bow into the sky after it was ripped out by Trinimach in the Dawn Era. This artefact was unrivalled in power, surpassing even the Daedric artefacts. Kagrenac, the tonal architech of Red Mountain and his peers examined the heart taking great care, as the simple act of touching the heart would instantly kill any mortal, even touching it with an object would result in a catastrophic accident. Kagrenac created two tools, Keening and Sunder, which alone could touch the heart of Lorkan. The tools, however would weaken anyone who used them to the point of collapse, the gauntlets, Wraithguard were used to counter this.

      The Chimer found out about the Dwemer's (in their eyes) sacrilege and by decision of the First Council (The Nerevar, Vivec, Almalexia and Sotho Sil) declared war on the Dwemer. This was to be the War of the First Council. The Dwemer were already weakened by wars with the Nords, the Falmer and the Aetherium Wars. The war was long and bloody but eventually, at the Battle of Red Mountain, the war ended. The Nerevar sent a large force to the front of the stronghold to create a distraction while he and a select few entered (via a secret passage) the room in which the Heart was being held. Dumach and a small Dwemer force fought of the Chimer while Kagrenac worked anxiously on the Heart. Nerevar and his group were forced to kill Dumach and the other Dwemer but The Nerevar was mortally wounded.

      Kagrenac finished his work on the Heart just before a Chimer blade was thrust in his back. He disappeared mere miliseconds before the sword pierced his skin. He had disappeared without a trace. Later they would find that every other Dwemer had disappeared at the same moment. The Heart later drove Dagoth Ur mad and was used by Sotho Sil, Vivec and Almalexia, giving them godly powers which was seen as blasphemy by Azura who changed the fair-skinned Chimer into the grey-skinned Dunmer which led to the newly made demigods taking over Morrowind and naming themselves the Tribunal which led to events of The Elder Scrolls 3 - Morrowind.

      It should be known that the splinter group of Dwemer who moved to Hammerfell because of disgreements with Dumach also disappeared. Also only one Dwemer is known to have stayed on Nirn. Yagrum Bagarn is a Dwemer with the Corprus disease under the care of Telvanni wizard Divarth Fyr. Yagrum was in the Oblivion realm of Apocrypha at the time, you can meet him in Morrowind. Falion from Morthal in Skyrim says that he has seen a Dwemer while walking the planes of Oblivion but he could be lying, he makes other claims that are similarly unbelievable and his stats aren't stellar although he can cure vampirism through a daedric ritual.

      Simply put, Lorkan's Heart made the Dwemer disappear.

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    • mehrunes dagon tried to invade tamriel 3 times and failed all 3 times I still stand by my argument sheragorath is the most powerfull

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    • Tiberseptim30 wrote:
      mehrunes dagon tried to invade tamriel 3 times and failed all 3 times I still stand by my argument sheragorath is the most powerfull

      The most powerful thing that Sheogorath has ever done is fling Baar Dau/Lie Rock/The Ministry of Truth at Vivec (The place) which was easily stopped by Vivec (The person) who mocked Sheogorath by making it into a prison notorious for imprisoning insane criminals. Baar Dau was later held up by the Ingenuim until it fell in 4E 5 causing the eruption of Red Mountain.

      Other Daedric Princes have shown much more power than this although he could just be hiding it in the same way that Nocturnal and Mephala do.

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    • Mehrunes Dagon has also invaded other Daedric Princes' realms although he has failed each time.

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    • sheragorath has done way more powerful things he's beaten most daedric princes at their own game 

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    • More powerful things like what?

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    • beaten daedric princes at their own games read the end of that post

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    • 86.176.138.119 wrote:

      So many people in this thread have used the 16 Accords of Madness to prove that Sheogorath is the most powerful but if you have ever actually read the book you will know that he never actually uses power to beat the daedra.

      In his contest against Vaermina he does absolutely nothing and that is really how he wins. All he does is use Vaermina's actions against her. In his contest against Hircine he creates a creature that uses Hircine's beast's own power against it, against most other monsters Sheogorath would lose. In his contest against Malacath he causes a champion orc to enter a bloodlust and kill a priest. Malacath then killed his own champion in revenge, regreting it hugely afterwards.

      Look Up The Book 16 Accords Of Madness And Read It

      Assuming that you have taken five minutes to read the book you will now know that Sheogorath's victories were mere coincidences and examples of the Daedric Princes fallibility, The book Azura and the Box proves that even mortals can trick Daedric Princes.

      This quote proves that Sheogorath beating the other Princes in contest means nothing, the most power he has shown is flinging Baar Dau at Vivec who stopped it easily, and even after that Clavicus Vile held it up and mortal mages have held it up.

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    • The most powerful must be the one with greater influence on... everything.

      I stand with Sheogorath, not because he was my protagonist but because he has a bit of power from all daedric princes in him (Thanks to the curse).

      Not only that, but he also trick the daedric princes, when he free himself (Jyggalag) and actually create ANOTHER prince!

      That is... insane! From a curse, he manipulated this event to unleash his true form, without letting the throne of madness empty! (Otherwise he would be just like Lorkhan, a missing god).

      Every kind of Daedra has some kind of obsession, that they must fulfill at any costs (How many time Mehrunes Dagon invaded Tamriel?). And what is that if not madness?

      Madness is in all daedric princes.

      The sphere of Sheogorath is not only Madness, is also art, food, murder...

      The blessings of sheogorath allows him to be or see everywhere, since there is a madman everywhere (Take for exemple Cicero from the Dark Brotherhood, he is in a faction serving Sithis! Or Mephala... we have yet to know).

      However, about demonstration of power, we have very few... because he can't? NO! Far from that, but because he don't care... He humiliated other princes because he was bored! So demonstrations of power must bore him very much.

      About the moon, he actually -CONVINCED- baardau to throw itself against Vivec City and destroy complete, he didn't do -anything-. So, i ask you, what happen? Baardau destroy the city exatly as he told. It has taken many years, even ages, but what is time for something/someone immortal?

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    • acctually sheragorath is not the daedric prince of murder that is mephala I aggree with you though sheragorath is the most powerful

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    • Tiberseptim30, if you see the blessings of sheogorath you will find:"Blessed are the Murderous, for they have found beauty in the grotesque."Sometimes an sphere of a prince conflicts with the sphere of another.Jygallag/ Peryite - OrderMolag/Mehrunes - DestructionMephala/Boethia - Murder And the Sphere of Sheogorath almost conflict with all others. This is why he's know as the "Sithis shaped whole pf the world", the one who most resemble the original chaos.

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    • remember what luciean lahance said about sithis and I quote "what is sithis? think about a cloudless midnight as cold as winter that is sithis 

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    • Tiberseptim30 wrote: remember what luciean lahance said about sithis and I quote "what is sithis? think about a cloudless midnight as cold as winter that is sithis 

      Sithis isn't a Daedric prince, he's a different kind of God.

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    • sithis isn't a god he is one of the three orignal entities 

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    • Read the name of this thread.

      Sithis doesn't count.

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    • Everybody has their opinion on the strongest daedric prince. People say Sheogorath, Hemraeus Mora, Jyggalyg. It is obviously Peryite. (Jk Peryite is a joke compared to other daedric princes. I say it is either Sheogorath OR Hemraeus Mora. In the past it would have been Jyggalyg but since he is weakened. Tbh I don't care what people think.

      Btw if I spelt Hermaeus Mora wrong I am sorry. :)

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    • youre not and peryite is a joke sheragorrath even in the past pf jyggalyg was so powerful that he could compleytly take over jyggalyg and contrpol every decision that he made  

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    • edit you are its spelt hermaeus mora

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    • I just say herma mora 

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    • You also have to account for worship though. Because worship gives a lot of power to the deadric lords. I would say the true Tribunal of Morrowind is the most worshipped across Tamriel (being Azura, Maphale and Boethia). Followed by Malacath because practically all orcs worship him. This doesn't mean they're automatically more powerful. Personally i think it's Azura mainly due to lots of worship, her creation of the Dunmer race and her interferance in the Morrowind storyline (fall of the false Tribunal).

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    • I would say molag bal because he is lord of domination and the father of vampires 

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    • Yes worship does account for a lot of things but think about how many times across thousands of people in turn thousands of accounts have come across the madwoman or madman that always are saying wabbijak wabbijak wabbijak that counts as thousands of worshippers forsherragorath right?

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    • Btw I am tiberseptim30 I'm just using a different device

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    • Jiggalag due to he is feared by other daedric lords and was cursed for it.

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    • I'd say nocturnal. Why? She has control over luck. Luck can influence pretty much anything if not everything. Simply no matter how much knowledge you have or how much power you can have, you will lose to someone that will rock bottom your luck. Even if you are completely unpredictable, it's still a 1/infinity chance to do something, infinite positive things, infinite negative things as well.

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    • don't know about jygalag he was easily overpowered by sheragorath when it was time for him to emerge 

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    • Either Molag Bal or Clavicus Vile

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    • Come on its hermaeus mora not only does he have the most artifacts signifying he has the power to create such powerful relics, but he has the souls of the 2 extreamly powerful dragon born, btw i know you kill him but you do absorb his power sooooo.

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    • Alright, so in terms of just straight up power, which is what I believe the original question was asking, I would have to give it to Jygalag. 

      1. The games themselves state so, quote from Jygalag himself, below(link: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Jyggalag):

      "Enough! I am beaten. The Greymarch is ended. For millennia this drama has unfolded, and each time, I have conqeured this land, only to be transformed back into that gibbering fool, Sheogorath.

      It was not always so. Once, I ruled this Realm, a world of perfect Order. My domain expanded across the seas of Oblivion with each passing era. The other Princes, fearful of my power, cursed me with Madness, doomed me to live as Sheogorath, a broken soul reigning in a broken land.

      Once each era, I was allowed my true form, conqeuring this world anew. And each time I did, the curse was renewed, damning me to exist as Sheogorath. Now, though, you have ended the cycle. You now hold the mantle of madness, and Jyggalag is free to roam the voids of Oblivion once more. I will take my leave, and you will remain here, mortal.

      Mortal...? King? God? It seems uncertain. This Realm is yours. Perhaps you will grow to your station. Fare thee well, Sheogorath. Prince of Madness." end quote.

      Assuming he meant straight up power alone, as not only from this statement that I've garnered, but some years of playing the elder scrolls, a Daedric princes realm is basically them, if not a part of or extension of them, so if his realm was as large as he was making it out to be, then size is power. This really leans towards him. But this is just from what I have thought about, so it may not be true. The lore in ES is fluid.

      Yes, I have seen a lot of you state that Jygalag was beaten by a Mortal, but hasn't a few other daedric princes?

      Mehrunes Dagon in ES IV: Oblivion, although he was at 1/3 of his power in Nirn, and it was mainly the Septim Emporer dishing out the damage. 

      Molag Bal in ESO, in his OWN realm. Of course, the player had just been powered by the amulet of kings after sacrificing a soul for the aedric Akatosh's power. still, I see that as a remarkable feat considering one of two things. 1. Molag Bal was in his OWN realm, as I stated above, which they are at their full power in. 2. The Aedra as naturally weaker than the Daedra for the most part, having drawn the short end of the stick, and not getting out in time before Lorkhan had sapped them of a lot of their strength.

      Other facts that go Jygalags way is that the player is, in just about every ES game, fated by said Akatosh, Firstborn Et'Ada of Time, who represents Strength, Stability, and Ever lasting Legitamicy. This may or may not be true, just another one of my assumptions, but I do believe in it, considering how, in Oblivion, Akatosh's Amulet of Kings is the main objective of the storyline, besides a descendant of Tiber septim, (The septims are, by the way, a form of Dragonborn, which kind of makes them somewhat related to Akatosh.)

      Skyrim features you litteraly facing off against the third form of Akatosh in the end, the World Eater, Alduin. There are three forms of Akatosh, explained beautifully in the link below by Justin Deluur.

      https://www.quora.com/People-say-that-Alduin-is-Akatosh-How-is-that-possible

      So when you have a player who is empowered with whatever abilities they choose for their avatar, is fated by the Aedra of Time, and also has at least part of Jygalag(Sheogorath) on their side, of course Jygalag would lose to a Mortal. Not to mention that fact that his own realm is at the moment 'not' his own? It's highly debatable, but Sheogorath having been controlling the realm for so long might have weakened Jygalag.

      Note that something I haven't talked about is the first quote about Jygalags being feared by the other Daedric princes, or I haven't talked about it too much. I noticed that most of you were really disputing the essence of the statement. I, for one, believe that it meant both pure power, and the power of knowledge and foresight. 

      Yes, Hermaus Mora may be the 'so called' DP of Knowledge and Fate, but all he really does is sit around and Hoarde it. Jygalag could really have had the title, having collected a massive amount of knowledge. Though granted that Knowledge, or at least a lot of it is burned to ash by Sheogorath, along with the formula. (Just remember that Daedra have memories too.)

      In the end, it's all disputable. None of the Daedra's power is really ever completely measured. But I believe totally that, with all of the evidence I have read and played and typed here, that Jygalag is really and quite possibly the most powerful Daedric prince out of the 16. He can, for the most part, predict the future(https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1cv00z/regarding_the_great_library_of_jyggalag/ he did fail to predict correctly the outcome of the events of the hero of kvatch defeating him, or the daedric princes turning on him.)

      He, pre Sheogorath, had the Daedric princes fearful and jealous of him. When do you really see a Daedric prince with the former? Never. The Latter? Extremely rare. PostSheo, I would think that he is much weaker, but still extremely powerful. He did kind of cut himself in half when he became a seperate entity from Sheogorath, to roam Oblivion, and he doesn't exactly have his own realm anymore. Still though, Jyggalag is the Daedra of Order, which seems to me the opposite of what a Daedra's nature is, inherently.

      Anyways, this is my piece on it. I may be wrong on some parts so please don't be too harsh. My knowledge of ES is nerdy and extensive, but I don't pull Herma-Mora's xD.

      Edit: I found something that explains that Daedra used their own essence to create their planes of Oblivion. https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Daedra

      Quote: "When Lorkhan proposed to the Et'ada the creation of the mortal plane, Mundus, the Daedric Princes felt it foolish to sacrifice so much power unto a world, and chose instead to create worlds of their own. These "Daedric Realms," created in the chaos of Oblivion, used their own essences to create them, but did not cut that power and matter off from themselves as the Aedra did, allowing them to retain full power and maintain full control over their worlds."

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    • um I think Molag Bal Because Vampires worship him, He is the prince of Domination,and His one life goal is to enslave the world. the Vampire lord from the Dawngaurd dlc fears him and worships him also he CREATED the vampires and he destroyed a city by basiclly breathing on it, also the mace of molag bal is the best mace in the game an thats when used by a mortal imagene if he used his mace while at full power with his armor and an army of vampires and other monsters I think Molag Bal makes other Daedric lords piss themselves

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    • Given that Skyrim is having a rise lately around me, I thought I'd have a read up on it again. This topic has always been interesting, and I certainly hope I'm not shunned for continuing this thread. ESPECIALLY, since it is full of delicious content and reasoning.

      Firstly - Herma Mora. The Daedric Prince of Knowledge and Fate may have power at his disposal, but you need to realize that his knowledge has a limit. The knowledge itself is power, because the information leads to great power by whatever means. Whether it be a dreadful secret that can bend the knee of those scared of blackmail, or whether it be the secret to a blade that can destroy any foe. This can be applied to the OTHER Daedric Princes. They have great power, and with the way things are, there is potential for there to be Knowledge behind how that power works. Herma-Mora may seek this knowledge out, but he'd undoubtedly never get it. A Daedric Prince would not likely surrender the key to their own power, so Herma-Mora wouldn't be able to do much in the straight up combat against another Prince, unless he just HAPPENS to have a decent sum of natural power himself. 

      In the topic of Herma-Mora's artifacts being powerful; that's actually not the case. The artifacts themselves are powerful because they are extensions of his knowledge being granted to Mortals. It isn't exactly powerful when compared to a Daedric Prince. For example - he granted the power to control Dragons to Miraak and the Last Dragonborn. A Dragon isn't exactly a threat to a Daedric Prince, though. 

      Of course - Azura has her power, which I'll leave to the earlier discussions.

      Boethiah, I can mention having great influence over the real world by the brief events of Skyrim. After a ritual that the Dragonborn partakes in, by killing a follower, Boethiah begins jumping from body to body to conversate with the Dragonborn. This form of possession only seemed valid with dead bodies, but it was nevertheless a sudden influence that definitely made the average first  player jump in their boots. I've not got much knowledge on this myself however, so I'll leave Boethiah out of my idea.

      Molag Bal can be comparable to the above. During the House of Horrors quest, when you attempt to make Logrolf the Willful (I think) submit to the Daedric Prince, you end up killing him. Molag Bal simply laughs, and proceeds to resurrect Logrolf in front of the Dragonborns eyes. However, this could greatly be an ability that most Daedric Princes possess, but both Molag Bal and Boethiah tend to show it off more (Another reason for their rivalry). With this, and given the nature of the Mace of Molag Bal, it can be seen that he has great influence over the world. I'd imagine that the concept of the Mace is normally that the Soul Trap effect is supposed to send Souls to Molag Bals realm, Cold Harbour, but I've not checked up on this sort of thing. Like before, I've not got too much more to say on this. 

      Clavicus, Peryite, Meridia, etc. Rely entirely on Mortals for their purpose, so yknow. Not that impressive at first glance. You could certainly try to find reasonings on them being more powerful that one thinks however, considering that Clavicus has the ability to grant Mortals items upon bargaining. The extent of this ability is unknown to me. Meridia is likely to be unrelenting against something like Molag Bal, as previously mentioned, due to her hatred of the Undead. His creation of Vampires is likely disgusting to her, but her power is unsure of still. Peryite has the responsibility of order among the lesser Daedra, but this could be an advantage one wouldn't firstly think about. He may have the vaster army, though it could still be considerably weaker. His influence is also pretty wide, considering he is known for spreading disease. A side thought that I had, though without evidence admittingly, is that he could have potentially influenced both Hircine and Molag Bal. Given the nature of Sanguine Vampiris and Sanies Lupinus, there is potential that Peryite gave cause for less pure versions of Molag Bal and Hircine's creations, as they became a spreadable disease. This could boast that he was able to interupt their own power, but it could also just be that they didn't care enough to stop him. Plausible thought, though? 

      Mehrunes Dagon appears to be quite the brash type, powerful, but forgetful of preparation. Even if he is incredibly powerful, he weakens himself whenever breaking into Nirn, and doesn't ever give himself the time to recuperate before he is beaten. I wouldn't be too fast on saying that he is the most powerful of the Princes, though. Same as before, I don't know much on this. The Oblivion Crisis isn't exactly something he'd have had to do alone though, but more he was the Daedric Prince that took the first bite. I've not double checked this, but I'm correct to think that other Daedra took advantage of the situation too? So with that mind, using the Oblivion Crisis as an example of his powerscaling isn't entirely accurate if I'm right.

      I'm not even going to get into Jyggalag. I personally dislike the whole process of that. I'd have rather Sheogorath just been Sheogorath, and that's that. However, Sheogorath in mind, I'm glad to know that he's not just immediately overpowered over the other Princes. The 16 Accords of Madness is a gift to the Elder Scrolls Lore in my honest opinion. Everything said above about Sheogorath and the 16 Accords of Madness not using actual power is my reasoning.

      I hear alot about Mephala supposedly being very powerful, can't even remember what information I saw that made me think of them as such. I remember reading somewhere that they are potentially the Dark Brotherhood's Night Mother herself, or the Night Mother is an extension of her. This links her to Sithis, which has some potential power increases on her behalf. However - I have no evidence of such, and influence from Sithis may not count towards the Daedric Princes power in this forum. It can also be noticed that Mephala actually has more interest in Mortals, than displaying their own power. Lies, deceit, sex, etc. That's all the good stuff for Mephala. I get the vibe that their power mainly comes from seduction, assuming they could ever seduce another Daedric Prince. (I've seen too much hentai to see where this is going with Herma Mora. D:)

      Someone like Namira doesn't seem like they'd be all that powerful, as they just like yucky things. They could wiggle their moldy toes at the Daedric Princes, but would likely be defeated by Neloth if they used such a technique. :)

      Now, seeing an earlier topic about who gets dibs on a soul, I'd assume that it really depends on the choices made by the Dragonborn. I'd say that Molag Bal and Hircine get first dibs, assuming that the Dragonborn is either a Vampire or a Werewolf. I'm unsure if a Vampires death leads to them being claimed by Molag Bal, but I'd certainly assume so. If not, then Hircine takes the pickings. If the Dragonborn is a Nightingale, but also a Werewolf, I would certainly expect that such a physical curse would take the lead.Hircine would get dibs over Nocturnal. Oaths can be broken, business contracts can be made null and void, but a curse is unwillingly given, or at least unable to be broken by just saying 'meh'. Of course - it could always lead to a stalemate, and whichever Prince is more powerful would get dibs, assuming they cared enough. It could also be based off the severity of the binding. A Nightingale has a responsibility of protecting Nocturnals Twighlight Sepulcher, whereas a Werewolf/Lycanthrope joins a Hunt in Hircines realm. The Nightingale has more resting on their shoulders, so it can potentially be a case of some background agreements between Princes, on who's soul binding has greater value. Again, it can be up to contest over a valuable soul like the Dragonborns. 

      Realistically, taking a look at the Princes, I would consider the most powerful being based off of their influence on the world. Jyggalag might be powerful, but he doesn't really do anything other than being powerful. Mephala is busy whispering lies and desires into peoples minds, and Hircine and Molag Bals unnatural diseases run rampant throughout Tamriel. Molag Bals creations were prepared to blot out the sun itself, and Hircine's Werewolves just kill and kill without thought. Malacath has the entire Orc race based around him, and is even recognized by Dark Elves. Mehrunes Dagon is feared for his actions during the Oblivion Crisis, and Nocturnal decides whether a Thief is able to pickpocket someone or not in a specific moment. This can be seen plenty, and I definitely think that the better question would be about what Princes actually have validity in Nirn. 

      My final answer on who is most powerful? I'd have to personally say that the straight up strongest would be Mehrunes Dagon. In a 1v1 fight, I'd imagine that his role would allow for him to win such a fight. Based on the types of armies they have though, I'd imagine something like Mephala's Spider Daedra comprised army would be pretty strong, but one must also remember just how potentially strong Hircines army could be. We are talking about a realm stuffed full of all the dead Lycanthropes. Werewolves are particularly powerful creatures, and shouldn't be taken lightly. Herma-Mora's army of seekers, behind the tanky Lurkers, could be a real threat too. The poison that the Lurkers spread is actually deadly, as I remember having to hold down my healing spell for a long time to survive a blast from it. The seekers appear to be gifted in magic that most Daedra wouldn't know either, so it implies that they are gifted with the Knowledge that Herma-Mora has to offer, which does make them exceptionally powerful in the way he makes mere mortals become gods among themselves.



      That's all I have to say, not once backed up with evidence, but I feel like it is fair? Cheers for reading.

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