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  • Simple question: What did you feel when you found Tova Shatter-Shield's body after killing her last daughter? And what did you feel when you spoke to her husband after it?

    I was like "F!ck, Yuri. You just ruined the man's life. Best to end it soon". And so I did, killing Tobjorn in armed combat (I did pay the fine, he deserves Sovngarde, at least). All of family Shatter-Shield, buried. Not something I'm proud of.

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    • I never do the second kill for Muiri, she's a total nutjob.

      I know it's the only way you can marry her though, and yeah she's cute, but you know what they say 'don't stick your **** in crazy'

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    • Yeah, i just wanted to kill someone else. One time, i killed Muiri too.

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    • I didn't discover her myself, but I had read that she commits suicide if you kill Nilsine, and after reading what her note said I vowed never to kill Nilsine again.

      And after finding her body in game and realizing Torbjorn had just lost both daughters to murderers and his wife to suicide, I did the same. I killed him in hopes that he may be reunited with at least some of his family in death.

      Feels awful to think I put them through that horrible sadness, even though I was playing an evil character.

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    • Indeed. I just stared at the computer monitor with a blank look, understanding what i have done.

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    • Kinda like 71.8.149.193.

      It was mercy killing. Both daughters dead, family warhammer stolen, wife commited suicide...

      ... It was a bitter mercy, perhaps, but mercy nonetheless.

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    • 789Snowbird987 wrote: ... It was a bitter mercy, perhaps, but mercy nonetheless.

      No, that's just Madness, lol.

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    • Lol. I hadn't thought of that.

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    • After I killed Nilsine for Muiri, I killed Muiri later after I got the Ebony Blade.

      Also, Muiri became a dangerous "loose end", 'cause she knows my identity.

      And about the Shatter-Shields, I feel nothing but pity towards Torbjorn.

      So I gave him all my butt-load of mead, ale, and wine so he can drown his sorrow, or kill himself with alcohol poisoning if he likes.

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    • That's the thing about Skyrim. It will make you do things that would have you question whether your actually being a hero or something else.

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    • I was like "Well, that sucks.  LOL."

      Then I went "Shit, that sucks for the man, person, it, thing."

      Edit: I said this when I was playing on the console version. Playing it on the PC version kind of hits me harder.

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    • I'd be like (yawning). She wouldn't be needing her coinpurse anymore.

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote: I'd be like (yawning). She wouldn't be needing her coinpurse anymore.

      Lol. That just reminded me that looting instinct caused me to loot the body first, then think about it later.

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    • I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.

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    • Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.

      I think Calixto killed the wrong person, it should have been Friga's dad.

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.
      I think Calixto killed the wrong person, it should have been Friga's dad.

      Torbjorn? He's the only one who holds the family together after Friga dies. Tova is depressed and drinking and Nilsine isn't helping one bit. He's a good person.

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    • Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.
      I think Calixto killed the wrong person, it should have been Friga's dad.
      Torbjorn? He's the only one who holds the family together after Friga dies. Tova is depressed and drinking and Nilsine isn't helping one bit. He's a good person.

      So that is why he became a bigot toward the Argonian dock workers?

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    • You know, when i read "bigot" in your post, i realized Argonians are TES ghouls. I wonder if they call humans "smoothskins" in their homeland.

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    • ^ Why would humans live in the Argonian homeland? it's a hazardous region and full with dangerous insects. Humans are not immune to the diseases.

      But it's a possibily the East Empire Company have offices there. But they totally would be prejudiced toward the Dunmers. You know their slave past.

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.
      I think Calixto killed the wrong person, it should have been Friga's dad.
      Torbjorn? He's the only one who holds the family together after Friga dies. Tova is depressed and drinking and Nilsine isn't helping one bit. He's a good person.
      So that is why he became a bigot toward the Argonian dock workers?


      He could be a total jerk for any reason, but yes, that is a possibility. Some people are just racist.

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote: ^ Why would humans live in the Argonian homeland? it's a hazardous region and full with dangerous insects. Humans are not immune to the diseases.

      I didn't said there were humans there. They would just call them smoothskins. Like "The smoothskins who live in Skyrim". But let's forget about this.

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    • Haven't killed her again on any of my any characters except my first. Oddly enough my first character which I killed her on, is also married to Muiri, and killed Nilsine just for that reason. Now I regret it because I'm so sick of that, "Thanks for solving my...problem" line.

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    • In the one playthrough that I didn't destroy the Dark Brotherhood, I did not kill Nilsine. There were a few reasons for this. 

      1. Roleplaying. This is a little complicated, as I needed to justify joining the Legion, Companions, and the Dark Brotherhood. I eventually came up with that Tulius' legion had defected from the Empire due to its weakness and submission to the Thalmor, and the Emperor had agreed to an ultimatum from Alinor demanding that all combat-capable official guilds in Skyrim (i.e., Companions and College of Winterhold) submit to Thalmor investigation and rulership. This obviously made a lot of people angry, so they teamed up with the Dark Brotherhood to take the Emperor and Thalmor down. Thus, my character was an assassin only out of necessity, so she avoided killing the targets when it was not necessary.

      2. As I spent a good minute or two lecuring Muiri on, she wouldn't really want Nilsine dead. I suspected that Muiri was originally a decent girl but was now blinded by her hatred, unable to see that Nilsine was innocent in the matter and her (and consequently her mother's) death would not bring about any peace or acceptance. No, it was better for everyone involved for Nilsine to live. 

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    • Contary to all people's opinions:

      Because of RPing reasons, my character will fulfill every word of the contract, as he is supposed to be an emtionless perfect assassin. After all, a pro assassin does not allow for feelings to cloud his judgement. So, every optional side request was honoured without fail.

      Honestly, I see nothing wrong with killing Nilsine from the point of view of a DBH assassin - as an assassin, it is part of your job and if there is payment involved or the client requests it, a proper assassin will do all without second guessing the client or himself/herself. 

      Although, as a normal person, its very wrong to kill Nilsine, since murder is the direct infringement on the human right to life. Remember, however, it was your choice to be an assassin in the first place. You could have destroyed the DBH, but you chose not to.

      Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

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    • Lol. Not even a bit of mercy when you saw Tova's corpse? I don't care about Nilsine.

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    • An assassin got to do what and assassin's gotta do, without thinking of side effects. I usually don't do the side contracts cause of time and cause I am not some merciless insane pixel psycho in for the reward, but that was for an assassin character. If Tova kills herself, it is by her own choice. Sure, you killed Nilsine, which made her go bonkers and kill herself, but remember, nobody can tell you to kill yourself by your own hand (except a DP), so its still Tova's choice, not something you choose for her (if this is real life. The NPC can never escape the fate the gamemakers plan for them). So, you can't fault the assassin for carrying out his job...

      Although if in character and RPing, my assassin would reply: "Perfection is the acme of assassination, mercy is for the weak."

      Its not how I think (cause that is screwed up), but I do want to play the bad guy sometimes in game, cause almost nobody I know does that.

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    • Stone-cold, cool. I drowned my doubts regarding the Brotherhood in Stormcloak blood, but that doesn't make me a merciless assassin after all.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Nazul Rostello wrote: ^ Why would humans live in the Argonian homeland? it's a hazardous region and full with dangerous insects. Humans are not immune to the diseases.

      I didn't said there were humans there. They would just call them smoothskins. Like "The smoothskins who live in Skyrim".

      I think you confuse Argonians with the Krogans of Tuchanka. But it is a good idea, maybe Argonian xenophobia is beyond unique, similiar to the Imga or the Sloads.

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote:

      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Nazul Rostello wrote: ^ Why would humans live in the Argonian homeland? it's a hazardous region and full with dangerous insects. Humans are not immune to the diseases.

      I didn't said there were humans there. They would just call them smoothskins. Like "The smoothskins who live in Skyrim".

      I think you confuse Argonians with the Krogans of Tuchanka. But it is a good idea, maybe Argonian xenophobia is beyond unique, similiar to the Imga or the Sloads.

      Their xenophobia is aided by their very soil, strangely. Everything in Black Marsh evolved to the sole purpose of kicking human arse out of their province.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Nazul Rostello wrote:

      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Nazul Rostello wrote: ^ Why would humans live in the Argonian homeland? it's a hazardous region and full with dangerous insects. Humans are not immune to the diseases.

      I didn't said there were humans there. They would just call them smoothskins. Like "The smoothskins who live in Skyrim".
      I think you confuse Argonians with the Krogans of Tuchanka. But it is a good idea, maybe Argonian xenophobia is beyond unique, similiar to the Imga or the Sloads.
      Their xenophobia is aided by their very soil, strangely. Everything in Black Marsh evolved to the sole purpose of kicking human arse out of their province.

      Humans did live in Black Marsh once if you read this one set of books in game you would probally know that.

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    • I apologize, i generalized my statement. I meant the interior of Black Marsh.

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    • ^ The metallic-skinned  humans goes extinct because their immune system cannot handle the harsh environment of Black Marsh.

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    • I felt nothing,My arrow tipped with Poison ready to shoot,I feel nothing

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    • i laughed in both situations :)

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    • Seriously......  "What did you F-E-L-T"?  Am I the only one that this statement is driving nuts??

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    • I know that,I think you are the true Grammer Nazi. OH YOUR EYES

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    • Thieving-Sneaking-Hunter wrote:
      I know that,I think you are the true Grammer Nazi. OH YOUR EYES

      LOL Usually things like this don't bother me... but for some reason this is soooo annoying. 

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    • ODragono wrote: Seriously......  "What did you F-E-L-T"?  Am I the only one that this statement is driving nuts??

      Oh, sorry. I keep forgetting your past tense isn't the same as our past tense, so these pearls come up.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      ODragono wrote: Seriously......  "What did you F-E-L-T"?  Am I the only one that this statement is driving nuts??

      Oh, sorry. I keep forgetting your past tense isn't the same as our past tense, so these pearls come up.


      ?? Ummm okay?


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    • SAVW speaks portuguese not English, he's from Brazil

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      SAVW speaks portuguese not English, he's from Brazil

      Then my appologies. If I only would have known this bit of info... Now I really feel like a Jerk... It's bad enough I actually commented on this subject let alone now an Unfounded Critique...

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      I never do the second kill for Muiri, she's a total nutjob.

      I know it's the only way you can marry her though, and yeah she's cute, but you know what they say 'don't stick your **** in crazy'

      That's my wife you're insulting!

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    • Now to actually post on the Subject... Did both kills and never "Felt" anything. Yeah kinda cold but hey I wanted the Bonus. O_o

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    • TheMindOfMadness wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:
      I never do the second kill for Muiri, she's a total nutjob.

      I know it's the only way you can marry her though, and yeah she's cute, but you know what they say 'don't stick your **** in crazy'

      That's my wife you're insulting!

      But you're THE MIND OF MADNESS, Crazy is boring to you.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      TheMindOfMadness wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:
      I never do the second kill for Muiri, she's a total nutjob.

      I know it's the only way you can marry her though, and yeah she's cute, but you know what they say 'don't stick your **** in crazy'

      That's my wife you're insulting!
      But you're THE MIND OF MADNESS, Crazy is boring to you.

      Fair point.

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    • Read some of this while deciding if I wanted to do the optional kill. I'm not going to. First, I don't particularly like in-town kills. They're annoying if I don't want to get spotted and get a bounty. Second, the reward is meh, since I've got 100 enchanting. Not particularly interested in Muiri for marriage either. See Pink Slim's first post for the reason why. 

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    • Twistedsystem004 wrote: I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.

      So, you wouldn't wanna marry Muiri I see.

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    • Xareidan wrote:

      Twistedsystem004 wrote: I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.

      So, you wouldn't wanna marry Muiri I see.

      Nope.

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    • As an assassin representing the Dark Brotherhood, I am curteous and will fulfil lthe contract. I even used the Lotus Extract poison on both Nilsene and the dude (who's name I forget) even though it wasnt even listed as an optional objective. I figure if the client went to the toruble of making a poison to kill the targets, I should use it. Nilsene died quietly within the hallowed walls of the temple to Talos.

      I didn't know Tova would commit suicide first time I offed Nilsene, but I admit it didn't surprise me. As someone who is dark and has only a personal set of morals that doesn't necessarily conform to the rest of the world, I did feel especially bad for Tova. However I did not regret killing Nilsene. Speaking to Nilsene after accepting the contract shows her to be quite a bit of a ***** herself, and the Shatter-Shields in general seem to make a living stomping all over, taking advantage of, and backstabbing the people underneath them. They've ticked off a lot of folks through their manipulations, it's just poor fortune that all the come-upance hit like a landslide all at once.

      I don't feel bad for Tobjorn, and while I will give him a drink out of pity, I don't like the man. As a Saxhleel (Argonian), and someone who detests racism in any context save comedy or satire, I really don't like him. It would have been preferable if Tova did not end up a casualty as well, but I accepted it as an inevitability. Tobjorn will not be granted the release of death, though I hope Arkay guided Tova to her daughters, despite 'my' devotion to Sithis.

      Behind the scenes, I do love that Skyrim has real consequences for actions. Beyond simply having a "Karma" system with point stats, this is a more in-depth 'karma' system since, if one does have a conscience (and they allow themselves to become immersed) coming upon the body of a distraught mother having committed suicide, and her tear streaked note of farewell, tends to hit harder and create more feelings of remorse than a notice in the corner telling you that you've lost 100 karma points.

      TL;DR version:

      I did feel bad for Tova, but do not regret killing Nilsene, I don't like Tobjorn at all and feel that the Shatter-Shield family is experincing karmic backlash. That the better members of the family are also suffering is unfortunate. Skyrim makes me have the feels. Assassins can turn off the feels. ^_^

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    • I didn't, since the main reason my character joined (or rather will join) the DB is to destroy it from the inside so I'm not doing the optional kill contract quests.

      Regardless of my own character's ambition and morals, gold isn't very hard to gather so there's no reason you should bring yourself to murder innocents for it.

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    • Is there a bug cure for her body not being there after her suicide? Can anyone help?

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    • I think her body is moved to Windhelm's Hall of the Dead after some time.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Simple question: What did you felt when you found Tova Shatter-Shield's body after killing her last daughter? And what did you felt when you spoke to her husband after it?

      I was like "F!ck, Yuri. You just ruined the man's life. Best to end it soon". And so i did. All of family Shatter-Shield, buried. Not something i'm proud of.

      I revived Torva and Killed her again

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    • On my current file, I killed Nilsene (RP purposes), but I used Frenzy on her. The spell also hit Brunwulf who happened to be nearby. As I was leaving the graveyard and crimes scene, Nilsene dead and Brunwulf kneeling due to being essentil, I noticed a man in fine clothes. It was Tobjorn. He walked calmly as usual, then ran forward suddenly because Brunwulf stood up. Were this real, the poor man would probably think Brunwulf has just murdered his last daughter.


      However, before that happened, I searched Nilsene's corpse. I will admit, I always feel a little pang in my chest when I see that her inventory is the usual stuff for a civilian, but then notice the flowers and the basket.

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    • I killed her in the streets. I didn't really think much of it though. I used to only want money. Now that I see this I realize: Did she deserve a sword through her heart?

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    • I read this thread, and all it made me think was... huh. Other Fallout and ME fans. Sweet.

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    • I killed Astrid and all the Dark Brotherhood. Felt much better.

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    • A man runs his household, and he stood by and let his wife screw with Muiri.  Muiri says she was practically an extra daughter to them before the incident.  It's their fault for pushing her so far over an heirloom.  They got what it comming to them, and Torbjorn can live out the rest of his life with no daughters, no Muiri, no wife, and no warhammer.

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    • I don't care, my ways are the kind of don't care about others, your own wellbeing is the most important, oh? someone committed sucicide becuase i killed someone, that's their own fault for being sorry, emotions just get in the way.

      Yeah, my skyrim character is a douche isn't he?

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    • I've never been able to kill Nilsine Shatter-Shield. I've always found it cruel.

      Muiri should realize that their thought process. She's selfish. All she's thinking about is "Didn't they see that /~*~*~*~*~*~*I*~*~*~*~*~*~*~\ was grieving too?" While she's off feeling all "Poor me, poor me", she fails to understand their grief in that moment, as they've been robbed blind after losing their daughter. And whether Muiri was used or not, she is still one of the two people at fault, along with Alain Dufont. She has to accept that that has fall out. She has to accept that all the Shatter-Shields see when they see her, is the one that allowed Alain Dufont in. Muiri can stay wrapped up in her world of self-pity and hatred, but she won't make me act out her cruelty for her. 

      And anyway, Alain Dufont is my target. If she wants Nilsine dead, do another one for her. 

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    • I killed Nilsene as I tried to be an evil rogue type but ended up feeling horrendous when I got to Blood On the Ice soon after. I looked all over for her mother and couldn't find her and somehow I missed her lifeless body. I felt terrible. These might be pixelated people but it occurred to me then how much my actions could affect them emotionally almost, it made the game more immersive for me somehow.

      I couldn't do it again knowing what I know now.

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    • i killed Nilsine inmy earlier runs, knowing it wasnt the right thing to do, in Muiris grief her thoughts are clouded as much as the remaining shattersheild kins were killing a grieveing sister resulting in the mothers death also wasnt it a mercy killing it was just cruel ,my character may be an assasin but she doesnt have to be entirely evil ,sure killings what she was hired for and what she knows how to do but as the characters controler i at leaat have a conscience (usually) in recent Darkbrotherhood saves i dont kill Nilsine, mostly cause im froends with Torborn (hoping to get him liking argonians one day)


      i find the epople on video games to be just as real to me as real people ,i rarely leave my room kind of affraid to actually, cause i dont like interacting with other people and beinf around other epopel my limit its on forums or in video games NPCs seem real to me so o cant help wondering aboit what i do affects their lives and their backgrounds and futures (i ususally play games where your choices and actionshave large impacts on everyone namely Bioware games and Bethesda games)

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    • I wish that Bethesda made an option to where you could resolve the issue between Muiri and the Shatter-Shields. Or perhaps persuade Muiri to think about what she's having me do and remember the true feelings she once had for the family. 

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    • yeah so do i but thatsnot really the darkbrotherhood way is it?

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    • 40.138.96.2 wrote:
      I wish that Bethesda made an option to where you could resolve the issue between Muiri and the Shatter-Shields. Or perhaps persuade Muiri to think about what she's having me do and remember the true feelings she once had for the family. 

      That would be nice. I just didn't kill Nilsine. I can be pretty mean sometimes. I rob people's (mostly imperial supporters) houses completely, but one thing i don't do is kill innocents. Also, i didn't want to shatter the Shatter-Shields entirely. 

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    • 202.156.8.11 wrote:
      Contary to all people's opinions:

      Because of RPing reasons, my character will fulfill every word of the contract, as he is supposed to be an emtionless perfect assassin. After all, a pro assassin does not allow for feelings to cloud his judgement. So, every optional side request was honoured without fail.

      Honestly, I see nothing wrong with killing Nilsine from the point of view of a DBH assassin - as an assassin, it is part of your job and if there is payment involved or the client requests it, a proper assassin will do all without second guessing the client or himself/herself. 

      Although, as a normal person, its very wrong to kill Nilsine, since murder is the direct infringement on the human right to life. Remember, however, it was your choice to be an assassin in the first place. You could have destroyed the DBH, but you chose not to.

      Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

      Don't you dare bring the Maxim of the true Assassin's Brotherhood into this. The differences between the AB and the DBH are astonishing. The Former doesn't work explicitly for pay, but to eliminate threats to free will. They work in the dark, to SERVE THE LIGHT. Their very first tenet is to stay their blade from the flesh of the innocent. An AB assassin would plant their hidden blade so far through Muiri's skull it'd come out the other end, for suggesting that they kill an innocent woman, and the last child of a grieving mother, because Muiri was pissed with her over something she didn't do.

      After reading that Tova kills herself, and the fact that killing her last living daughter is even an option, I used it as more fuel for the fire within me that burns with my hatred for the Dark Brotherhood.

      Vittoria Agli Assassini, and the Dark Ones don't count.

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    • The Dark Brotherhood works to serve Sithis. Sithis is the void. Yes what they do may not seem right but it is the will of the dread father. They don't do it just to get some money. They aren't just assassins. They are the Dark Brotherhood. And you should be afraid. Very afraid.

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    • Rukathesoldier wrote: The Dark Brotherhood works to serve Sithis. Sithis is the void. Yes what they do may not seem right but it is the will of the dread father. They don't do it just to get some money. They aren't just assassins. They are the Dark Brotherhood. And you should be afraid. Very afraid.

      I thought I was going to see "We are legion" at some point in that post :P

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    • 40.138.96.2 wrote:
      I wish that Bethesda made an option to where you could resolve the issue between Muiri and the Shatter-Shields. Or perhaps persuade Muiri to think about what she's having me do and remember the true feelings she once had for the family. 

      I agree 100%. I've been thinking for a while that there could be a miscellaneous quest to return Aegisbane and prove Muiri innocent.

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    • I did what I was told, kill the targets. I actually felt no remorse in doing so, just like when I killed all three people prior to joining the brotherhood. I follow what my mistress tells me to do, kill when told. And.... it was fun...

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    • Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.
      I think Calixto killed the wrong person, it should have been Friga's dad.
      Torbjorn? He's the only one who holds the family together after Friga dies. Tova is depressed and drinking and Nilsine isn't helping one bit. He's a good person.


      plus, the Butcher journal says he only kills women to prepare his sister's new body.

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    • I read it first so I would kill nilsine just because that happens as a kind of justice for treating the argonian dock workers as slaves, had my charcters have hearts I might have killed hime too so they are reunited but they were both elves and like watching their enemys suffer and gloating about it.

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    • 96.244.41.188 wrote:
      Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Twistedsystem004 wrote:
      I killed Nilsine once, but I normally leave her alive. I had no idea that Tova commited suicide, and I'm NEVER going to kill Nilsine. Ever. Again.
      I think Calixto killed the wrong person, it should have been Friga's dad.
      Torbjorn? He's the only one who holds the family together after Friga dies. Tova is depressed and drinking and Nilsine isn't helping one bit. He's a good person.

      plus, the Butcher journal says he only kills women to prepare his sister's new body.

      He is not a good man to the argonians, treats them like slaves and doesn't pay them much.

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    • I had always tried to be an honorable assassin, so when I found Tova's dead body, I was horrified at what I had done. To pay my respects, I laid an amulet of arkay and a Mountain flower next to her body.

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    • As a Dark Brotherhood assassin and servant of Sithis, the sacrament was only performed for Alain Dufont, and the contract applies only to him. Killing Nilsine is not a contracted Brotherhood kill. It is a rogue action, and not in the name of Sithis, but simply in the name of bonus loot.

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    • The contract was only for Alain, I have no obligation to kill Nilsine other than greed. If Muiri wanted her dead she either needs to go do it herself or perform another sacrament. I have never done it, not only I Muiri's reason for wanting her dead completely wrong it's just morally despicable to murder their only surviving daughter so Muiri can feel some sick sense of satisfaction at seeing her old friends suffer. Muiri obviously wasn't that attached to them or she wouldn't want them to suffer like that.

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    • I felt nothing,point me to the target and I will kill.The only time I felt any sadness from Skryim was finding the two couple who were killed by the falmor(sorry for my spelling)and for the kids who have no parents.Also Meeko,poor guy.But Nilsine?I could care less,she's dead,oh well,too bad,not my fault I am the dragonborn and I "happen" to put the frenzy spell on her and make her mother kill her.Oooooopies!

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    • Nah, my character may be morally gray, but I left Nilsine alone. Too much unnecessary death and it wasn't part of the sacrament. You only get a pretty crappy ring and the option to marry her. First, I dont care for her at all. Secondly, as for her "unique" ring, you can make an identical one using a regular silver ring, an alchemy enchantment and just renaming it "Muiri's Ring". That way I got both rewards, minus the marriage option, without using the console. Fuck you Muiri, you can't manipulate me! >:D

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    • QuikLAsh wrote:
      I did what I was told, kill the targets. I actually felt no remorse in doing so, just like when I killed all three people prior to joining the brotherhood. I follow what my mistress tells me to do, kill when told. And.... it was fun...

      Indeed it sure was hella fun!And I am not sure I was suppose to feel anything.And besides,how do all of ya'll play skyrim!?Murder is fun in the game,geeeeeezzzzz what a bunch of milk drinkers.XD 

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    • I only killed Nilsine because I found her wandering alone, with no witnesses, down by Hjerim. She dropped a flower basket as I sniped her and trapped her in a black soul gem. No Sovngarde for you...

      After seeing the dead mother, I felt somewhat guilty, but that was less the suicide and more because I was looting that house entirely and selling  it all to Tonilia and Niranye. Hey, don't judge, gotta make a living somehow... *ignores the fact that they walk around with about 30000 gold in their inventory, plus about three thousand in gems*

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    • I killed them with no emotion but when I saw Tova suicided I put her on her bed and took her note and dagger and made it look like she died peacefully. I then killed her husband in the market with an ebony arrow to the head. Then when I was in the clear I dragged him to Suzanna the wicked and put him on the coffin next to hers. R.I.P clan shadder shield.

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    • i did it felt no remorse only glee ,joy, laughter i enjoyed it i only joined the db to kill for fun it's like watching a movie where i pick how it ends i taunted her then killed her her father her mother and sister and soul trapped them no sovengarde for them only pain and despair i even killed the new DB initiats all for fun hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • As I felt their blood dripping down my arm I smiled and started laughing an evil laugh as I drained their blood and drank it.

      (P.S. My character is a vampire, lol)

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    • Well, my character actually killed Nilsine, Tova and what's-his-face, all in the same Windhelm visit. It's more for RP, since my character, Lilli, has this whole backstory centered on her feeling power when she commits murder, so she kills all additional targets. So, yeah, I dodn't see Tova's corpse after she commited suicide, because she never got the chance to >:]

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    • 69.137.148.83 wrote:
      i did it felt no remorse only glee ,joy, laughter i enjoyed it i only joined the db to kill for fun it's like watching a movie where i pick how it ends i taunted her then killed her her father her mother and sister and soul trapped them no sovengarde for them only pain and despair i even killed the new DB initiats all for fun hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      This just reeks strongly of trying way too hard to be edgy or cool.  Like...I can't even think of a good metaphor for how lame you sound.

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    • Just give her husband some mead xD

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    • 40.138.96.2 wrote:
      I wish that Bethesda made an option to where you could resolve the issue between Muiri and the Shatter-Shields. Or perhaps persuade Muiri to think about what she's having me do and remember the true feelings she once had for the family. 

      For example, retreve the warhammer from Alain and give it back to the Shatter-Shields as a peace offering from Muiri (after convinsing her to do so)

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    • I killed Nilsine to get a charge for the Ebony blade, its been months now since then and I've been comptemplating for the last hour if I should just restart the theif build I had because of it. I mean Muiri only pays you only a little more gold if you kill Nilsine, but the damage that it had on the parents (which I was not even aware of at the time), makes me feel like a b@$terd. The only problem with that is that I would need to devote like 72 hours of game play just to do it. On the bright side though I could get shadowmere back(he hasn't been respawning for me), and my lucien won't be made of glass(I accendntly hit him with marked for death). But I would need to do all the city influence quests for the Theives Guild, and get back all of the daedric artifacts I lost from the reset. 

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    • I wanted to marry Muiri so I did it. I never expected Tova to kill herself, it shocked me and left a dark cold plunge in my heart. I think my initial problem is I was too good an assassin. I once wiped out an entire room of active draugr even and wasn't caught once even when one of them died. My first run though I was a true hero, I didn't steal, I didn't murder except Vampires for the Dawnguard. I followed a righteous path that I desired from my heart. I even wiped out the Brotherhood and refuse to join the Thieves Guild. I even went to great extents to convince Brynjolf to help me find Esbern so I wouldn't get Brand-Shei arrested. I will admit though I did the Thieves Guild after I killed Alduin and was a Stormcloak. As a Khajit I just wanted the night eye power since it was a pain to keep using candlelight all the time. I joined the Brotherhood cause I didn't have any other quests left to pursue. Honestly I probably will never do it again. I felt bad when I killed Vittoria and the Gourmet, and the Emporer too. Though I will admit his outfit is my favorite to wear and makes the other fancy outfits look like crap.

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    • Every assassin I played was a professional, being  proud of   follow contracts to the letter  and get the job done,  Sithis and my purse don't care about morals or remorse. And torbjorn exploit the Argonians and collude with criminals, if not me , another professional would be hired to destroy his life anyway.

      But sometimes evil just take over, and I 'tested' fury in the groom at Vittoria Vicci wedding, the bride being slaughtered by the lover was a twist, but she tried to escape and bonus was forfeit :(

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    • I was rather disturbed. I LOVE Nilsine, so having to kill her at all breaks my heart, let alone Tova's suicide.

      When I play evil, I kill her every time because, well, evil people don't care.

      However, if you're talking about me, CP15, just thinking about this know is giving me a panic attack and nauseous. Suicide is a trigger for me.

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    • I went up to her, went nah, used console commands, and married her out of spite of Muiri.  Considering that Nilsine lost her sister, she deserved a fairy tale ending.  We now have two adopted kids on a homestead in Falkreath. 

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    • CatholicPrincess15 wrote:
      I was rather disturbed. I LOVE Nilsine, so having to kill her at all breaks my heart, let alone Tova's suicide.

      When I play evil, I kill her every time because, well, evil people don't care.

      However, if you're talking about me, CP15, just thinking about this know is giving me a panic attack and nauseous. Suicide is a trigger for me.

      So does that mean that you avoid the Dark Brotherhood questline or is it still a trigger now that you know the result of Nilsine contract maybe?

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    • I am an avid modder of Skyrim. RXKX22 did a fine job on Muiri with his Bijin Wives but he didn't mod Nilsine. I guess I just had to do the extra to give me the option of picking Muiri as a spouse. The appearence disparity was huge.

      Rewards just outweighed the cost to me. Never liked the Shatter Shields anyway so getting rid of some more of them is frankly a bonus. And it isn't because I like Argonians. I just dislike snobs and people who wallow in defeat when something bad happens to them.

      I like to do all the extra objectives as challenge anyway. It's more fun that way. Murdering a bandit is an abandoned ruin is not hard but dang, killing a random girl in the middle of the city presents its own unique challenge.

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    • So does that mean that you avoid the Dark Brotherhood questline or is it still a trigger now that you know the result of Nilsine contract maybe? </div>

      Still a trigger, no matter what I do. XD

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    • Nilsine still died even the optinal isn't fulfil, no matter what I do she sill dead. I even try to reload the safe to make sure that she's still alive and go kill the man then report back to Muiri she always thank me for killed Nuisine, I can't find a way for her to survive...

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    • Make sure you don't have the quest "Blood on the Ice" active. Nilsine is one of the potential targets for the murderer to kill later in the quest, so make sure to kill him before worrying about Muiri, since it sounds like she is getting murdered every time you return to Markarth.

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