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  • Balgruuf is the most reasonable of the jarls, shows a good amount of interest in the people, and unlike Elisif, or Ulfric, is least likely to be "killed" due to political disagreement. 


    What do you think?

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    • Well, sure I wouldn't mind, man.

      Ulfric is stupid (he dosen't even wear the very common steel plate armor for the final battle! I could have made him dragonbone or daedric if he asked...)

      Elisif is just a bimbo (Falk does everything, we might as well make him high king, I mean like does Elisif even make any descisions? All she says is please address all questions to the steward until she trusts you.)

      Balgruuf is neither stupid nor a bimbo, so he's better than them. If he was a third faction, I would have fought for him to make him high king, so I can be thane of skyrim. Whiterun also seems like a good capital

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    • I agree with everything you said, Wiki Contributor 202.156.8.15. Kudos to you.

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    • But he isn't the High King we need.

      There's only one true High King and it is the one we need.

      Ulfric.

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    • I wouldn't mind if Jarl Ballin' were to be crowned High King. He sure seems to know what's better for Skyrim and her people.

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    • I was really dissapointed in Skyrim when I couldn't side with Balgruuf and Balgruuf alone. He is a true Nord, who actually cares about his people.

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    • I wouldn't be surprised if the reason you can't side with him to be high king was because they're going to make him emperor, either way you go in the civil war he sides with the empire, the last emperor is dead, and there are no heirs that we know of.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      I wouldn't be surprised if the reason you can't side with him to be high king was because they're going to make him emperor, either way you go in the civil war he sides with the empire, the last emperor is dead, and there are no heirs that we know of.

      Maybe Motierre was planning to place Baalgruuf on the throne.

      Maybe even later, Baalgruuf uses an enchanted stalhrim sword, downs a dovah and the tendrils of energy start flowing - he can even wear a recrafted amulet of kings!

      (come on guys, lets bring it one notch higher)

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    • He's balling-balling-b-ballin.

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    • Ofc,  Jarl balgruuf be ballin as high king as skyrim.

      Someone please make this mod now.

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    • I've got a better idea. EMPEROR BALGRUUF!!! The Aldmeri Dominon would crap their pants!

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    • Balgruuf is the High king skyrim deserves, but not the one it needs right now

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    • He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

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    • Sir Ballin' would make a fine High King.

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    • Skyrim for the Nords!!!!!!!!

      Elisif is a bought out Imperial puppet

      Blagruuf is in the end, the same

      Ulfric is the only Nord man enough to stand up to the thalmor and false empire openly

      Skyrim for the Nords!!!!!!!

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    • This sounds like a "Vote for..." Propaganda poster for Balgruuf...

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    • Well, if Ulfric drives out the imperials out of skyrim, the Thalmor would invade skyrim.. I mean, not even those in Cyrodiil could defeat the Thalmor.

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    • 94.234.170.207 wrote:
      Well, if Ulfric drives out the imperials out of skyrim, the Thalmor would invade skyrim.. I mean, not even those in Cyrodiil could defeat the Thalmor.

      Invade from where?

      there is no direct path that isn't filled with enemies; and the only paths that aren't filled with enemies(by sea) will take months to get to skyrim, and they wouldn't even be able to resupply, so their ships would be stuffed to the gills with supplies, which means less room for larger weapons, and less room for people. and the worst part for an invasion of Skyrim by the Aldmeri Dominion is the distance, as soon as Skyrim finds out, and they will find out, they will have so much time to prepare for a fight against starved, tired, and possibly insane Aldmeri Troops.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      94.234.170.207 wrote:
      Well, if Ulfric drives out the imperials out of skyrim, the Thalmor would invade skyrim.. I mean, not even those in Cyrodiil could defeat the Thalmor.
      Invade from where?

      there is no direct path that isn't filled with enemies; and the only paths that aren't filled with enemies(by sea) will take months to get to skyrim, and they wouldn't even be able to resupply, so their ships would be stuffed to the gills with supplies, which means less room for larger weapons, and less room for people. and the worst part for an invasion of Skyrim by the Aldmeri Dominion is the distance, as soon as Skyrim finds out, and they will find out, they will have so much time to prepare for a fight against starved, tired, and possibly insane Aldmeri Troops.

      Well, at least there is logic and reasoning behind it.

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    • Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

      The good Jarl is torn between wanting to fight for the right to worship Talos, and the duty he feels to the Empire.  The fact that his city itself is torn between clan Battle-Born and clan Grey-Mane isn't his fault at all.  It is, instead, part of the problem he faces.  If both of the strong clans in his hold agreed, he would be swayed, instead, he's being whispered in two directions.

      Sometimes, the best action IS none at all.  Look for clues to an enemy's intent, and plan ahead.  Ultimately, he does make a desicion.  The battle of Whuiterun didn't even need to happen, he could have easily told the Imperials no, and let Ulfric in.  He already allows free worship of Talos within his hold.  He saved a lot of his people's lives by making the Imperials and Stormcloaks fight it out for themselves.

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    • Frozenhero1 wrote: He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

      Why is it his fault that the Gray-Manes and Battle-Borns are angry at each other? Besides, Whiterun appears to be fine and NOT torn in two, if it was there would be a mini civil war in the city. No one is actually hurting anyone about the war, the only thing that is realitivly close to fighting about the war is a shouting priest that everyone, even Stormcloaks, wants to kill and a couple nobles yelling at each other. Also, Imperials are known for being experienced in politics and the Dunmer are sometimes said to be more powerful as a military force than Cyrodiil and Summerset, so to have an Imperial as a steward and a Dunmer as a housecarl is pretty smart. And please, I beg of you, stop it with the "SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS" bullshit!

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    • Krow Dawnstar wrote:

      Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

      The good Jarl is torn between wanting to fight for the right to worship Talos, and the duty he feels to the Empire.  The fact that his city itself is torn between clan Battle-Born and clan Grey-Mane isn't his fault at all.  It is, instead, part of the problem he faces.  If both of the strong clans in his hold agreed, he would be swayed, instead, he's being whispered in two directions.

      Sometimes, the best action IS none at all.  Look for clues to an enemy's intent, and plan ahead.  Ultimately, he does make a desicion.  The battle of Whuiterun didn't even need to happen, he could have easily told the Imperials no, and let Ulfric in.  He already allows free worship of Talos within his hold.  He saved a lot of his people's lives by making the Imperials and Stormcloaks fight it out for themselves.

      I completely agree with you, I really wish Balgruuf was Jarl.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:

      94.234.170.207 wrote:
      Well, if Ulfric drives out the imperials out of skyrim, the Thalmor would invade skyrim.. I mean, not even those in Cyrodiil could defeat the Thalmor.

      Invade from where?

      there is no direct path that isn't filled with enemies; and the only paths that aren't filled with enemies(by sea) will take months to get to skyrim, and they wouldn't even be able to resupply, so their ships would be stuffed to the gills with supplies, which means less room for larger weapons, and less room for people. and the worst part for an invasion of Skyrim by the Aldmeri Dominion is the distance, as soon as Skyrim finds out, and they will find out, they will have so much time to prepare for a fight against starved, tired, and possibly insane Aldmeri Troops.

      It takes about 1 to 2 in-game days to cross Skyrim, so from Summerset to Skyrim, about 1 week. Also, why couldn't the Thalmor invade from Cyrodiil?

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    • 74.104.184.37 wrote: Skyrim for the Nords!!!!!!!!

      Elisif is a bought out Imperial puppet

      Blagruuf is in the end, the same

      Ulfric is the only Nord man enough to stand up to the thalmor and false empire openly

      Skyrim for the Nords!!!!!!!

      Stop it with the fucking "SKYRIM IS FOR THE NORDS!" bullshit. You realize that even though Balgruuf supports the Cyrodiilic Empire, he only joined them because Ulfric attacked and. Balgruuf wanted to protect his people. Also, I don't see how easy it will be to turn Balgruuf into a Imperial puppet and, by association, a Thalmor puppet when he secretly worships Talos.

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    • TheDwemerSpy wrote:

      Krow Dawnstar wrote:

      Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

      The good Jarl is torn between wanting to fight for the right to worship Talos, and the duty he feels to the Empire.  The fact that his city itself is torn between clan Battle-Born and clan Grey-Mane isn't his fault at all.  It is, instead, part of the problem he faces.  If both of the strong clans in his hold agreed, he would be swayed, instead, he's being whispered in two directions.

      Sometimes, the best action IS none at all.  Look for clues to an enemy's intent, and plan ahead.  Ultimately, he does make a desicion.  The battle of Whuiterun didn't even need to happen, he could have easily told the Imperials no, and let Ulfric in.  He already allows free worship of Talos within his hold.  He saved a lot of his people's lives by making the Imperials and Stormcloaks fight it out for themselves.

      I completely agree with you, I really wish Balgruuf was Jarl.

      And by Jarl, I mean High King.

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    • TheDwemerSpy wrote:

      TheDwemerSpy wrote:

      Krow Dawnstar wrote:

      Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

      The good Jarl is torn between wanting to fight for the right to worship Talos, and the duty he feels to the Empire.  The fact that his city itself is torn between clan Battle-Born and clan Grey-Mane isn't his fault at all.  It is, instead, part of the problem he faces.  If both of the strong clans in his hold agreed, he would be swayed, instead, he's being whispered in two directions.

      Sometimes, the best action IS none at all.  Look for clues to an enemy's intent, and plan ahead.  Ultimately, he does make a desicion.  The battle of Whuiterun didn't even need to happen, he could have easily told the Imperials no, and let Ulfric in.  He already allows free worship of Talos within his hold.  He saved a lot of his people's lives by making the Imperials and Stormcloaks fight it out for themselves.

      I completely agree with you, I really wish Balgruuf was Jarl.

      And by Jarl, I mean High King.


      gamer poop + High King Ballin!

      (I'm actually mad that you made this post before I could point out that he is Jarl)

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    • Krow Dawnstar wrote:

      TheDwemerSpy wrote:

      TheDwemerSpy wrote:

      Krow Dawnstar wrote:

      Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

      The good Jarl is torn between wanting to fight for the right to worship Talos, and the duty he feels to the Empire.  The fact that his city itself is torn between clan Battle-Born and clan Grey-Mane isn't his fault at all.  It is, instead, part of the problem he faces.  If both of the strong clans in his hold agreed, he would be swayed, instead, he's being whispered in two directions.

      Sometimes, the best action IS none at all.  Look for clues to an enemy's intent, and plan ahead.  Ultimately, he does make a desicion.  The battle of Whuiterun didn't even need to happen, he could have easily told the Imperials no, and let Ulfric in.  He already allows free worship of Talos within his hold.  He saved a lot of his people's lives by making the Imperials and Stormcloaks fight it out for themselves.

      I completely agree with you, I really wish Balgruuf was Jarl.

      And by Jarl, I mean High King.


      gamer poop + High King Ballin!

      (I'm actually mad that you made this post before I could point out that he is Jarl)


      Alright... I guess?

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    • TheDwemerSpy wrote:

      Pink Slim wrote:


      94.234.170.207 wrote:
      Well, if Ulfric drives out the imperials out of skyrim, the Thalmor would invade skyrim.. I mean, not even those in Cyrodiil could defeat the Thalmor.
      Invade from where?

      there is no direct path that isn't filled with enemies; and the only paths that aren't filled with enemies(by sea) will take months to get to skyrim, and they wouldn't even be able to resupply, so their ships would be stuffed to the gills with supplies, which means less room for larger weapons, and less room for people. and the worst part for an invasion of Skyrim by the Aldmeri Dominion is the distance, as soon as Skyrim finds out, and they will find out, they will have so much time to prepare for a fight against starved, tired, and possibly insane Aldmeri Troops.

      It takes about 1 to 2 in-game days to cross Skyrim, so from Summerset to Skyrim, about 1 week. Also, why couldn't the Thalmor invade from Cyrodiil?

      that's because the world is shrunken down to playable size.

      as for invading Skyrim through Cyrodiil, I actually just posted a response to another post of yours in another thread that covers this.

      Thread:491291#25

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    • He's the reason I never join the Civil War anymore. I got my trophies for doing it, and it really makes no sense to follow Jarl Ulfric anymore. I fight for Skyrim, and her people, not a xenophobic 'leader'. Also a reason why I don't go Imperial is because then Maven gets Riften. She already has enough power from what I've done for her through the Guild, and Jarl Laila is an honorable leader. I see no reason why either of these Jarls have to be replaced. 

      That said, Markarth on the other hand...I give to Thongvor in the negotiations on the files that I happen to even touch the MQ just to give the Thalmor a black eye because while I fight for Skyrim and myself, I abhor the Thalmor.

      So yeah, if I could, I would vote for Jarl Ballin' as High King.

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    • "When life gives you lemons... go murder a clown" -Festus Krex

      Well, that settles it, kill off both sides.

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    • Honestly, as much as I like Balgruuf, I too felt he was too indecisive. I really didn't like what the Empire had become, but seceding from the Empire was sheer madness. Ulfric is just a power hungry racist. Period.

      The Empire gave people of all races a chances to participate equally. The problem of the Talos-Empire was mostly too less Empire and way too much regional power. I'd replace most of the local aristocracy (like Jarls) altogether and install centrally guided governners. Heck, I'd even consider democracy. Anything over 1000s of regional kings, dukes, jarls and whatnot constantly at each other's throat for their powerhungry games. The people don't care if Jarl X or Jarl Y rules! They want peace, prosperity and their bellies fed. It's only bored and powerhungry nobles who throw the lands into constant misery. So away with Jarls and Kings, I say, and install direct Imperial Governors, and end of the bickering, I say!

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    • 217.231.171.13 wrote:
      Honestly, as much as I like Balgruuf, I too felt he was too indecisive. I really didn't like what the Empire had become, but seceding from the Empire was sheer madness. Ulfric is just a power hungry racist. Period.

      The Empire gave people of all races a chances to participate equally. The problem of the Talos-Empire was mostly too less Empire and way too much regional power. I'd replace most of the local aristocracy (like Jarls) altogether and install centrally guided governners. Heck, I'd even consider democracy. Anything over 1000s of regional kings, dukes, jarls and whatnot constantly at each other's throat for their powerhungry games. The people don't care if Jarl X or Jarl Y rules! They want peace, prosperity and their bellies fed. It's only bored and powerhungry nobles who throw the lands into constant misery. So away with Jarls and Kings, I say, and install direct Imperial Governors, and end of the bickering, I say!

      A democracy is still a corrupt government with hundreds of politicians going at each other for power. Regional power, yes. But I don't think that having democracy in TES will be a good idea for the sake of the fake characters that we are always tasked with saving.

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    • 217.231.171.13 wrote:
      Honestly, as much as I like Balgruuf, I too felt he was too indecisive. I really didn't like what the Empire had become, but seceding from the Empire was sheer madness. Ulfric is just a power hungry racist. Period.

      The Empire gave people of all races a chances to participate equally. The problem of the Talos-Empire was mostly too less Empire and way too much regional power. I'd replace most of the local aristocracy (like Jarls) altogether and install centrally guided governners. Heck, I'd even consider democracy. Anything over 1000s of regional kings, dukes, jarls and whatnot constantly at each other's throat for their powerhungry games. The people don't care if Jarl X or Jarl Y rules! They want peace, prosperity and their bellies fed. It's only bored and powerhungry nobles who throw the lands into constant misery. So away with Jarls and Kings, I say, and install direct Imperial Governors, and end of the bickering, I say!

      Democracy, really?

      Where would Mundus have had contact with/learned of ancient earth greece and a obscure form of goverment?

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    • 80.216.220.71 wrote:
      217.231.171.13 wrote:
      Honestly, as much as I like Balgruuf, I too felt he was too indecisive. I really didn't like what the Empire had become, but seceding from the Empire was sheer madness. Ulfric is just a power hungry racist. Period.

      The Empire gave people of all races a chances to participate equally. The problem of the Talos-Empire was mostly too less Empire and way too much regional power. I'd replace most of the local aristocracy (like Jarls) altogether and install centrally guided governners. Heck, I'd even consider democracy. Anything over 1000s of regional kings, dukes, jarls and whatnot constantly at each other's throat for their powerhungry games. The people don't care if Jarl X or Jarl Y rules! They want peace, prosperity and their bellies fed. It's only bored and powerhungry nobles who throw the lands into constant misery. So away with Jarls and Kings, I say, and install direct Imperial Governors, and end of the bickering, I say!

      Democracy, really?

      Where would Mundus have had contact with/learned of ancient earth greece and a obscure form of goverment?

      Democracy could be thought more then once.  I also don't think a Democratic government would help the game.  A Democracy or a Republic (though the Empire can be seen as a Republic, it really isn't) serves the people much better then any other government.  They usually do not decay the same way.  Disarray causes people to suffer, and wars to break out.  Without that, Skyrim wouldn't be worth playing.  "Go kill this Dragon!"  "Oh, sir, the army already took care of that, since they're not at one another's thorats.."

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    • Krow Dawnstar wrote:

      Democracy could be thought more then once.  I also don't think a Democratic government would help the game.  A Democracy or a Republic (though the Empire can be seen as a Republic, it really isn't) serves the people much better then any other government.  They usually do not decay the same way.  Disarray causes people to suffer, and wars to break out.  Without that, Skyrim wouldn't be worth playing.  "Go kill this Dragon!"  "Oh, sir, the army already took care of that, since they're not at one another's thorats.."

      I sincerely doubt that, and then why didn't it?

      The Greeks were the only ones with the form most think of as democracy.


      It was a fluke and then for some reason people started thinking it is the be all end all form of government which is pretty sad actually.

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    • I think the best Jarl would be the Jarl of Riften, if she wasn't Stormcloak. What if Maven was the High Queen and Skyrim was basically owned by the Theives' Guild?!! 

      Times like this make me wish that my PC could handle Skyrim, so I could have mods.

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    • I'm on the side of Whiterun- Jarl Balgruuf the Greater

      This proves he cares more about his people than pleasing Ulfric or the Empire.

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    • KawaiiFez wrote:
      I think the best Jarl would be the Jarl of Riften, if she wasn't Stormcloak. What if Maven was the High Queen and Skyrim was basically owned by the Theives' Guild?!! 

      Times like this make me wish that my PC could handle Skyrim, so I could have mods.

      Yeah, I'm part of the 50% split that thinks High Queen Maven would be a glorious time, indeed.  The Guild is so strong, I'm surprised Jarl is the best she's gotten by backing them so strongly.

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    • As much as I like patriotism, let's not get overboard about it. Taking it too far results in xenophobia which results to violence and isolation which plays into economic depression. Skyrim strikes me as grayer than Alpha Protocol, Dragon Age, and a lot of similar gray games put together. And no offense, people, but I don't mean that as a compliment. I find the series well descriptive, poetic, and fascinating, but not only do I prefer morality guides, I also like clear beneficial options like saving this possessed kid without sacrificing his mom. The story behind the Civil War is quite tragic. On one side, you have the Galactic Empire that went through some turmoil, got thrown into a war, and forced into an unfair peace treaty it didn't want, but needed all the same. Now it's playing the tyrant to an entire province of some poor saps. Reminds me of SWTOR. On the other side, you have a headstrong rebellion led by a patriot who, as far as we know, could be Nirn's version of Arcturus Mengsk. I honestly don't know which fact is sadder. That you can't forge a real peace, that you have to choose between factions like the Blades and the Legion, or that the game stopped after 3 add-ons. If it were possible, I would try to find a voice that shares Paarthurnax's thoughts with the Blades to show his sincerity, find a way to reconcile Skyrim with the Empire peacefully enough to revise the past treaty favorably, and finally, as a reward for my hard work, appoint Balgruuf as Skyrim's Elder Councilman while I'm crowned High King. And if they made a next game, I'd might rise in the ranks to become the next Tiber Septim. But that's just me. It's not like we can expect a real Star Trek VI moment.

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    • Oh, and I forgot to mention the beautiful romance scenes of Mass Effect.

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    • Brunwulf could be High King Ballin's steward

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    • Back on topic, guys.  This is about how cool Jarl Ballin' is.

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    • XDEnd00 wrote: Brunwulf could be High King Ballin's steward

      He's a Whiterun character. But, yes. It would be good for all of Tamriel if someone sensible and centralist was in charge.

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    • Krow Dawnstar wrote: Back on topic, guys.  This is about how cool Jarl Ballin' is.

      Technically, it's also about who deserves to be made High Monarch of Skyrim.

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    • Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!


      Skyrim may belong to the Nords, but no one Bests an ORC!

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    • 189.121.139.190 wrote:
      Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!


      Skyrim may belong to the Nords, but no one Bests an ORC!

      Level for level combat characters are really the same.  Nords and Ords are equals in combat, Redguard too.

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    • I kind of don't like Ulfric to be the High King. Ulfric might become like Elisif, Like, "Adress all your questions to my Steward" OR, "Adress all your questions to my General", Or whatever you call it. AND, He might be abusive to the Imperial Civilians who are living in Skyrim..

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    • XXxZyborg GoatxXx wrote:
      I kind of don't like Ulfric to be the High King. Ulfric might become like Elisif, Like, "Adress all your questions to my Steward" OR, "Adress all your questions to my General", Or whatever you call it. AND, He might be abusive to the Imperial Civilians who are living in Skyrim..

      Ulfric will lead to isolationism and Skyrim's fall.

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    • Krow Dawnstar wrote:

      XXxZyborg GoatxXx wrote:
      I kind of don't like Ulfric to be the High King. Ulfric might become like Elisif, Like, "Adress all your questions to my Steward" OR, "Adress all your questions to my General", Or whatever you call it. AND, He might be abusive to the Imperial Civilians who are living in Skyrim..

      Ulfric will lead to isolationism and Skyrim's fall.

      Yeah. Although I don't think he's exactly power hungry, his ambitious grudges would might make things worse instead of better.

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    • Krow Dawnstar wrote:
      XXxZyborg GoatxXx wrote:
      I kind of don't like Ulfric to be the High King. Ulfric might become like Elisif, Like, "Adress all your questions to my Steward" OR, "Adress all your questions to my General", Or whatever you call it. AND, He might be abusive to the Imperial Civilians who are living in Skyrim..
      Ulfric will lead to isolationism and Skyrim's fall.


      Isolationism? From Cyrodiil, maybe. We know that he made overtures to High Rock, though they expressed no interest in breaking away from the Empire. Frankly, Ulfric isn't a fool. He's stated that his ultimate goal is to destroy the Aldmeri Dominion and eliminate the threat they pose to Tamriel. He fought in the Great War, and he knows that they aren't an enemy Skyrim can face alone.

      His most natural ally is Hammerfell. The Redguards despise the Empire and and the Dominion, and they share similar values in that both cultures respect physical prowess in combat. We've even seen  Redguards traveling to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks during the Civil War.

      There is no evidence that Ulfric intends on cutting Skyrim off from the rest of Tamriel, and taking on the Dominion lone-ranger.

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    • ShatteredMirror wrote:

      Krow Dawnstar wrote:
      XXxZyborg GoatxXx wrote:
      I kind of don't like Ulfric to be the High King. Ulfric might become like Elisif, Like, "Adress all your questions to my Steward" OR, "Adress all your questions to my General", Or whatever you call it. AND, He might be abusive to the Imperial Civilians who are living in Skyrim..
      Ulfric will lead to isolationism and Skyrim's fall.


      Isolationism? From Cyrodiil, maybe. We know that he made overtures to High Rock, though they expressed no interest in breaking away from the Empire. Frankly, Ulfric isn't a fool. He's stated that his ultimate goal is to destroy the Aldmeri Dominion and eliminate the threat they pose to Tamriel. He fought in the Great War, and he knows that they aren't an enemy Skyrim can face alone.

      His most natural ally is Hammerfell. The Redguards despise the Empire and and the Dominion, and they share similar values in that both cultures respect physical prowess in combat. We've even seen  Redguards traveling to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks during the Civil War.

      There is no evidence that Ulfric intends on cutting Skyrim off from the rest of Tamriel, and taking on the Dominion lone-ranger.

      But he'll most likely be unfair to non-Nords.

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    • Mike Gilbert wrote:

      ShatteredMirror wrote:

      Krow Dawnstar wrote:
      XXxZyborg GoatxXx wrote:
      I kind of don't like Ulfric to be the High King. Ulfric might become like Elisif, Like, "Adress all your questions to my Steward" OR, "Adress all your questions to my General", Or whatever you call it. AND, He might be abusive to the Imperial Civilians who are living in Skyrim..
      Ulfric will lead to isolationism and Skyrim's fall.

      Isolationism? From Cyrodiil, maybe. We know that he made overtures to High Rock, though they expressed no interest in breaking away from the Empire. Frankly, Ulfric isn't a fool. He's stated that his ultimate goal is to destroy the Aldmeri Dominion and eliminate the threat they pose to Tamriel. He fought in the Great War, and he knows that they aren't an enemy Skyrim can face alone.

      His most natural ally is Hammerfell. The Redguards despise the Empire and and the Dominion, and they share similar values in that both cultures respect physical prowess in combat. We've even seen  Redguards traveling to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks during the Civil War.

      There is no evidence that Ulfric intends on cutting Skyrim off from the rest of Tamriel, and taking on the Dominion lone-ranger.

      But he'll most likely be unfair to non-Nords.

      Not really. He readily accepts Non-Nords into his ranks and allows them to own property and businesses within his city, and as he takes each hold during the Civil War, few of the Non-Nordic inhabitants claim they are being harassed or discrminated against. In fact, I've only encountered a single indiviidual complain about the Stormcloaks, and that was Arcadia in Whiterun. She claims the soldiers refuse to buy from her store because they think she might poison them.

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    • Mike Gilbert wrote:

      But he'll most likely be unfair to non-Nords.

      No, that's imperial propaganda.

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    • 80.216.199.222 wrote:

      Mike Gilbert wrote:

      But he'll most likely be unfair to non-Nords.

      No, that's imperial propaganda.

      Tell that to his article.

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    • Balgruuf is the worst jarl in all of Skyrim, Maven would be better, heck, Narfi would be more respectable -'J

      First thing, does he really care for his people? Alvor the balcksmith of Riverwood mentions that the imperials dragged people from their homes in the middle of the night and that it was one of the main reasons the war started, Balgruuf did nothing to prevent this.

      Secondly, he is a terrible father, seriosly! sure you can say "his kids are bad because of Mephala's influence" this may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that he abandons them if he loses control of Whiterun... if he cares so little for his own children, what does that say about the rest of his people?

      Third, he fell for Tullius's deception, that is the reason he sided with the empire.

      Oh yes, Tullius told Rikke to embelish the claims about Ulfric in the letter to Balgruuf, ultimatly Ulfric left the decision up to Balgruuf, only after Balgruuf sided with the empire and informed Ulfric of his stance against him did the battle of Whiterun occur... if Ulfric was as ruthless as the imperials like to believe Whiterun would have been taken while Balgruuf was still twiddling his thumbs about who to side with... imagine a general on the battle field as indecisive as Balgruuf, his army would be lost before he gave an order.

      In the end I have to agree with both Gurder and Ireleth, Balgruufs failing sanity is a liabillity that will lead him to make the wrong decision.

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    • I'm pretty sure Balgruuf's children's "abandonment" is induced by gameplay limitations...

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      I'm pretty sure Balgruuf's children's "abandonment" is induced by gameplay limitations...

      It is part of the game, you can even visit him in the basement of the Blue Palace in Solitude and ask him about it, they included seveal lines of dialogue about it in the game

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    • Definitely one of the top candidates. Elisif was just the chick of Torygg and is clearly lacking the charisma, leadership and "Nord beef". Maven is a corrupt mafia godmother, that Falkreath dude is a joke adn the others are unimpressive. Balgruuf is the onl one, with Ulfric, who showed a strong will. I'm glad I sided with the Legion.

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    • I side with Ulfric on this one because the thalmor think that talos is not a divine but the story says that he was such a great hero that the divines made him a divine(im paraphrasing a little) and two the thalmor just want the controll they dont care about the empire or anyone but themselves.

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    • i wish i could become an evil over lord and make tullius and ulfric my dogs ...literelly

      then il make tambreil broke buy building a casino city and when its broke il take over the summer set isle...stupid game limitations....

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    • ShatteredMirror wrote:
      Krow Dawnstar wrote:
      XXxZyborg GoatxXx wrote:
      I kind of don't like Ulfric to be the High King. Ulfric might become like Elisif, Like, "Adress all your questions to my Steward" OR, "Adress all your questions to my General", Or whatever you call it. AND, He might be abusive to the Imperial Civilians who are living in Skyrim..
      Ulfric will lead to isolationism and Skyrim's fall.

      Isolationism? From Cyrodiil, maybe. We know that he made overtures to High Rock, though they expressed no interest in breaking away from the Empire. Frankly, Ulfric isn't a fool. He's stated that his ultimate goal is to destroy the Aldmeri Dominion and eliminate the threat they pose to Tamriel. He fought in the Great War, and he knows that they aren't an enemy Skyrim can face alone.

      His most natural ally is Hammerfell. The Redguards despise the Empire and and the Dominion, and they share similar values in that both cultures respect physical prowess in combat. We've even seen  Redguards traveling to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks during the Civil War.

      There is no evidence that Ulfric intends on cutting Skyrim off from the rest of Tamriel, and taking on the Dominion lone-ranger.

      There is good reason to believe hammerfell may stand united with Skyrim in the future, this comes from the journal of a sorceror from Hammerfell named Lu'ah Al-Skaven, in that journal she mentions she wished Skyrim had joined with hammerell to form a new state that could easily crush the dominion then bring the empire to justice for it's betrayal. her later entry states that she now only wishes for revenge, and Skyrims uprising has been to little to late, but durring this time Ulfric had been in prison, with him as High King an alliance of the nations is likely. 

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      94.234.170.207 wrote:
      Well, if Ulfric drives out the imperials out of skyrim, the Thalmor would invade skyrim.. I mean, not even those in Cyrodiil could defeat the Thalmor.
      Invade from where?

      there is no direct path that isn't filled with enemies; and the only paths that aren't filled with enemies(by sea) will take months to get to skyrim, and they wouldn't even be able to resupply, so their ships would be stuffed to the gills with supplies, which means less room for larger weapons, and less room for people. and the worst part for an invasion of Skyrim by the Aldmeri Dominion is the distance, as soon as Skyrim finds out, and they will find out, they will have so much time to prepare for a fight against starved, tired, and possibly insane Aldmeri Troops.

      First convincing argument on this topic I've seen. I give you the legendary Wiki Contributor Facebook Emoticon Thumbs Up! (y)

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    • How about the Dovahkiin as High King?

      Balgruuf would make reasonable High King, but have fun getting everyone to agree to that without wagin more wars

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    • ^

      true...true

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    • Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.

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    • BOSS SUKR wrote:
      Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.

      Umm, I don't think the Greybeards would go along with the idea of them ending their pacifist ways to becoming brutal administers of capital punishment.

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    • I remember when balgruuf said to me " You were at Helgen, you have more experience with dragons than anyone here" I laughed so hard and said " Running away screaming like a bitch doesnt really count as eperience" *sigh* good times,good times.

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    • TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.
      Umm, I don't think the Greybeards would go along with the idea of them ending their pacifist ways to becoming brutal administers of capital punishment.

      Yeah...but it would be cool, just sayin' ,,

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    • BOSS SUKR wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.
      Umm, I don't think the Greybeards would go along with the idea of them ending their pacifist ways to becoming brutal administers of capital punishment.
      Yeah...but it would be cool, just sayin' ,,

      Yeah, and while were at it we could put the prists of Mara in charge of torturing people to death xD

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    • TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.
      Umm, I don't think the Greybeards would go along with the idea of them ending their pacifist ways to becoming brutal administers of capital punishment.
      Yeah...but it would be cool, just sayin' ,,
      Yeah, and while were at it we could put the prists of Mara in charge of torturing people to death xD

      Let's put the Priestess of Dibella to teach women about the sanctity of virginity!

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    • Step 1: Overthrow Balgruff

      Step 2: Dovahkiin becomes Jarl

      Step 3: Hire The Companions as personal guard and army leaders

      Step 4: Build a mighty army (Hire outlaws, getting their crimes forgiven for their service, aswell as the current whiterun guard, plus volunterss. Also dragons.)

      Step 5: Send out a peace offer.

      Step 6: Crush the ones who does not accept.

      Step 7: Dovahkiin as High King (no Jarls, nope.)

      Step 8: Ally with Hammerfell

      Step 9: Conquer Cyrodill.

      Step 10: Dovahkiin as the new Emperor of Tamriel (Known as the Dovah Emporer.)

      Step 11: Destroy the Dominion!

      Step 12: ???

      Step 13: PROFIT

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    • 62.44.135.150 wrote:
      Step 1: Overthrow Balgruff

      Step 2: Dovahkiin becomes Jarl

      Step 3: Hire The Companions as personal guard and army leaders

      Step 4: Build a mighty army (Hire outlaws, getting their crimes forgiven for their service, aswell as the current whiterun guard, plus volunterss. Also dragons.)

      Step 5: Send out a peace offer.

      Step 6: Crush the ones who does not accept.

      Step 7: Dovahkiin as High King (no Jarls, nope.)

      Step 8: Ally with Hammerfell

      Step 9: Conquer Cyrodill.

      Step 10: Dovahkiin as the new Emperor of Tamriel (Known as the Dovah Emporer.)

      Step 11: Destroy the Dominion!

      Step 12: ???

      Step 13: PROFIT

      12: realize the Dragonborn is the real World Eater and there was no one left to oppose you xD

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    • TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      62.44.135.150 wrote:
      Step 1: Overthrow Balgruff

      Step 2: Dovahkiin becomes Jarl

      Step 3: Hire The Companions as personal guard and army leaders

      Step 4: Build a mighty army (Hire outlaws, getting their crimes forgiven for their service, aswell as the current whiterun guard, plus volunterss. Also dragons.)

      Step 5: Send out a peace offer.

      Step 6: Crush the ones who does not accept.

      Step 7: Dovahkiin as High King (no Jarls, nope.)

      Step 8: Ally with Hammerfell

      Step 9: Conquer Cyrodill.

      Step 10: Dovahkiin as the new Emperor of Tamriel (Known as the Dovah Emporer.)

      Step 11: Destroy the Dominion!

      Step 12: ???

      Step 13: PROFIT

      12: realize the Dragonborn is the real World Eater and there was no one left to oppose you xD

      Hue hue hue...

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    • XDEnd00 wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.
      Umm, I don't think the Greybeards would go along with the idea of them ending their pacifist ways to becoming brutal administers of capital punishment.
      Yeah...but it would be cool, just sayin' ,,
      Yeah, and while were at it we could put the prists of Mara in charge of torturing people to death xD
      Let's put the Priestess of Dibella to teach women about the sanctity of virginity!

      And give the dragonborn some "private lessons" from Haelga...

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    • BOSS SUKR wrote:
      XDEnd00 wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.
      Umm, I don't think the Greybeards would go along with the idea of them ending their pacifist ways to becoming brutal administers of capital punishment.
      Yeah...but it would be cool, just sayin' ,,
      Yeah, and while were at it we could put the prists of Mara in charge of torturing people to death xD
      Let's put the Priestess of Dibella to teach women about the sanctity of virginity!
      And give the dragonborn some "private lessons" from Haelga...


      or.....we could become an evil overlord and have all the hot girl in skyrim as our mistresses........anyone ?!

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    • We should just burn Skyrim, all of Tamriel in fact, to the ground and start over again.

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    • Dark Jeto wrote:
      We should just burn Skyrim, all of Tamriel in fact, to the ground and start over again.


      or...

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    • Dark Jeto wrote:
      We should just burn Skyrim, all of Tamriel in fact, to the ground and start over again.

      Sounds like you support my theory about the Dragonborn being the true World Eater -'J

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    • BOSS SUKR wrote:
      XDEnd00 wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      TheBEARDEDcanuck wrote:
      BOSS SUKR wrote:
      Punishment shall be Fus Ro Dahs from the Dovahkiin and extreme crimes against Skyrim, then the sinner must jounrey to the greybeards only be ice formed and flame breathed over and over again.
      Umm, I don't think the Greybeards would go along with the idea of them ending their pacifist ways to becoming brutal administers of capital punishment.
      Yeah...but it would be cool, just sayin' ,,
      Yeah, and while were at it we could put the prists of Mara in charge of torturing people to death xD
      Let's put the Priestess of Dibella to teach women about the sanctity of virginity!
      And give the dragonborn some "private lessons" from Haelga...

      ... sorry, Haelga is busy, Grelod the Kind will  be seeing to your lessons xD

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    •                       *Puking*

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    • Xachz1999 wrote:

      Pink Slim wrote:
      94.234.170.207 wrote:
      Well, if Ulfric drives out the imperials out of skyrim, the Thalmor would invade skyrim.. I mean, not even those in Cyrodiil could defeat the Thalmor.
      Invade from where?

      there is no direct path that isn't filled with enemies; and the only paths that aren't filled with enemies(by sea) will take months to get to skyrim, and they wouldn't even be able to resupply, so their ships would be stuffed to the gills with supplies, which means less room for larger weapons, and less room for people. and the worst part for an invasion of Skyrim by the Aldmeri Dominion is the distance, as soon as Skyrim finds out, and they will find out, they will have so much time to prepare for a fight against starved, tired, and possibly insane Aldmeri Troops.

      Well, at least there is logic and reasoning behind it.

      Do you know how empires work? They don't just go and attack land like that. You attack the country next to you. Then you travel through there into the next one and so on so on. That easy. When the empire is weak from the war and so is skyrim then they start attacking.

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    • Mike Gilbert wrote: As much as I like patriotism, let's not get overboard about it. Taking it too far results in xenophobia which results to violence and isolation which plays into economic depression. Skyrim strikes me as grayer than Alpha Protocol, Dragon Age, and a lot of similar gray games put together. And no offense, people, but I don't mean that as a compliment. I find the series well descriptive, poetic, and fascinating, but not only do I prefer morality guides, I also like clear beneficial options like saving this possessed kid without sacrificing his mom. The story behind the Civil War is quite tragic. On one side, you have the Galactic Empire that went through some turmoil, got thrown into a war, and forced into an unfair peace treaty it didn't want, but needed all the same. Now it's playing the tyrant to an entire province of some poor saps. Reminds me of SWTOR. On the other side, you have a headstrong rebellion led by a patriot who, as far as we know, could be Nirn's version of Arcturus Mengsk. I honestly don't know which fact is sadder. That you can't forge a real peace, that you have to choose between factions like the Blades and the Legion, or that the game stopped after 3 add-ons. If it were possible, I would try to find a voice that shares Paarthurnax's thoughts with the Blades to show his sincerity, find a way to reconcile Skyrim with the Empire peacefully enough to revise the past treaty favorably, and finally, as a reward for my hard work, appoint Balgruuf as Skyrim's Elder Councilman while I'm crowned High King. And if they made a next game, I'd might rise in the ranks to become the next Tiber Septim. But that's just me. It's not like we can expect a real Star Trek VI moment.

      Well, maybe skip the Elder Councilman part since that's supposed to be the king's duty.

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    • Mike Gilbert wrote:

      Mike Gilbert wrote: As much as I like patriotism, let's not get overboard about it. Taking it too far results in xenophobia which results to violence and isolation which plays into economic depression. Skyrim strikes me as grayer than Alpha Protocol, Dragon Age, and a lot of similar gray games put together. And no offense, people, but I don't mean that as a compliment. I find the series well descriptive, poetic, and fascinating, but not only do I prefer morality guides, I also like clear beneficial options like saving this possessed kid without sacrificing his mom. The story behind the Civil War is quite tragic. On one side, you have the Galactic Empire that went through some turmoil, got thrown into a war, and forced into an unfair peace treaty it didn't want, but needed all the same. Now it's playing the tyrant to an entire province of some poor saps. Reminds me of SWTOR. On the other side, you have a headstrong rebellion led by a patriot who, as far as we know, could be Nirn's version of Arcturus Mengsk. I honestly don't know which fact is sadder. That you can't forge a real peace, that you have to choose between factions like the Blades and the Legion, or that the game stopped after 3 add-ons. If it were possible, I would try to find a voice that shares Paarthurnax's thoughts with the Blades to show his sincerity, find a way to reconcile Skyrim with the Empire peacefully enough to revise the past treaty favorably, and finally, as a reward for my hard work, appoint Balgruuf as Skyrim's Elder Councilman while I'm crowned High King. And if they made a next game, I'd might rise in the ranks to become the next Tiber Septim. But that's just me. It's not like we can expect a real Star Trek VI moment.

      Well, maybe skip the Elder Councilman part since that's supposed to be the king's duty.

      What does everyone think?

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    • If the Dominion would attack Skyrim it wouldn't be very hard since Skyrim's weakend by the Civil War and even if the Dominion would have to travel far, they wouldn't go insane or anything because it's already proven that the Dominion is strong and the Aldmer is exactly weak minded. Plus the fact that the Aldmer is the most intelligent race in Tamriel.

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    • i think balgruuf would be great for high king. he really does care about the people in his hold and he seems to really think about the Tactical situation be for joining in the war. He also does not come off as hostile very often. Also about the Dominion… they would crush skyrim. They have beaten all of the empire and the empire was HUGE…. And plus I think the cannon choice was to beat ulfric.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      I wouldn't be surprised if the reason you can't side with him to be high king was because they're going to make him emperor, either way you go in the civil war he sides with the empire, the last emperor is dead, and there are no heirs that we know of.

      Dragonborn becomes the Emperor. The parrarels to founders of previous dynasties is too obvious. And Balgruuf will likely become High King. After all neither Ulfric nor Tullius(through) call the Moot and knowing Bethesda's policy on canon, they'll be both considered dead in the aftermath of Skyrim storyline events.

      Elisif isn't bad, but as someone already said, she wasn't ready and failed in her role. Maybe she'll become Balgruuf's wife? He's a widower if I recall right?

      As for Ulfric... I really want to give Madanah the keys to his bedroom and the scheme of patrols... after showing everyone documents from the embassy. That coward dared to lie Talos reborn in the eyes after all.

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    • I am honestly on the side of the dark brotherhood in the civil war I kill both imperials and storm cloaks if only there was a third option to kill both sides and they would then team up to try to end you but fail and in the end it's a three way battle between ulfric me and tulius and maybe dark brotherhood gets new members and becomes an army of dark brotherhooders. For now I just assassinate any imperial or storm cloak I see HAIL SITHIS and now random quotes from dark brotherhood members: when life gives you lemons....go murder a clown -festus krex; SiThis does not want him dead -Lucien lachance neighhhhh *grunts* -shadow-mere; and also a wise man once said CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!!!!-sheogorath; the butcher...his art just. STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB and then STAB STAB STAB STAB-dear sweet poor cicero and finally probably the only smart qote innocence,guilt it is all irrelevant all that matters is I asked you to kill someone and you obeyed -astrid

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    • This is why I wish there was an option to deliver the Jagged Crown to Balgruuf. Imagine the reaction when he whips that puppy out during the Moot. XD

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    • Look, there is only one true High King and that is the almighty Nazeem, he who goes to the Cloud District, he who owns Chillfurrow Farm, he who apparently owns a manor that doesn't actually exist.

      For obvious reasons, Heimskr would be his advisor and Braith would be his Captain of the Guard.

      If you disagree, then I only have one question for you:

      Do you go to the cloud district very often?

      Oh, what am I saying? Of course you don't.

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    • I remember that Torygg (killed by Ulfric) was a good high king.. I believe that Balgruuf could continue the legacy of that king, is the best Jarl...

      With the time I finished hating Ulfric... I was a Imperial(first game) for Balgruuf.. Next game Stormcloark(and assasin and Thief) but... REALLY I prefer Balgruuf as Jarl that fight for Ulfric... Except MAVEN, the Imperial new Jarls are better than the previous stormcloark Jarls..

      Is a shame that Balgruuf doesn´t lead 3 side to be a great king.

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    • I feel like every potential Jarl has problems that could really hurt their High King/Queen potential.

      Elisif: Weak and rather uncharismatic, and easily used as a puppet by others.

      Idgrod: Uncharismatic, and too "magical" for the people of Skyrim to support.  While she is wise and intelligent, if anything that would put her subjects off even more.

      Sorli: Actually a solid candidate.  While she is the Stormcloak-supported Jarl of Morthal, she apparently is NOT a Talos-worshipper (as she uses the exclaimation "by the eight!"), and she is one of the most accepting of non-nords, having an Argonian housecarl.  If I had to name a problem, I'd say that she has limited experience as a leader, and that she might be easily taken advantage of as a result.

      Igmund: Too blindly loyal to the Empire, and the only Jarl who has a Thalmor advisor that lives in their palace.

      Thongvor: Incredibly corrupt and bureaucratic. 

      Siddgeir: A lazy fool with no sense of responsibility.

      Dengeir: While understanding that both independence and the Empire are both potentially poor choices for Skyrim, he is deeply paranoid and poses a threat to his subjects as a result.

      Balgruuf: Another solid candidate, Balgruuf values Skyrim's relations with the Empire, but feels that their Talos policies are too strict, and that he understands independence is a choice that needs to be carefully evaluated.  He cares for his hold, and would likely care for all of Skyrim if he were High King.  However, he is slow to make decisions, making them at the last possible moment, and he likely doesn't want to be High King.

      Vignar: Not a possibility for High King, as he would pass off the position to Ulfric at the first opportunity.  He's also elderly and belligerent, a poor combination.

      Skald: See Vignar

      Brina: Loyalty to the Imperial Legion could cause a conflict of interest, although she seems to be the most respected individual in the Pale, being level-headed and a strategic thinker.  Likely one of the better candidates.

      Laila: Is either incredibly stupid, or in Maven's pocket.  Either way, a poor choice.

      Maven: Incredibly corrupt, potentially turning all of Skyrim into an absurd mess of corruption and blackmail.  Could be fun, but wouldn't be good for Skyrim.

      Korir: Major (though perhaps justifiable) inferiority complex, and too deep a mistrust of magic.  Also old and belligerent.

      Kraldar: I honestly can't say anything for or against him.  He's just kind of...there.  He's a better Jarl for Winterhold than Korir, but he definitely isn't High King material.

      Ulfric: A racist egomaniac who's potentially under Thalmor control.  A truly awful choice.

      Brunwulf: Another solid choice who believes that working with all of one's allies is the best way to secure victory, and doesn't see the value in racism.  Notably doesn't seem to take a side in the Civil War, as although he is the Legion's selection for leadership, he hosts an exiled Stormcloak-supporting Jarl in his home.  However, he has no aspirations for leadership, and likely wouldn't take very well to being High King.

      In the end, I'd say that Balgruuf is probably the best candidate of the potential Jarls in Skyrim.  Followed by Sorli, then Brina, then Brunwulf.

      As for independence vs. Empire, I think that Empire is a better choice for Skyrim, and those who would oppose Aldmeris to begin with.  A combined Black Marsh, Morrowind, Skyrim, High Rock, Hammerfell, Cyrodiil, and maybe Elsewyr (hard to tell where the Khajiit loyalties lie) would be much stronger against Summerset and Valenwood than just separated provinces.  The Empire would completely collapse and lose their alliances if Skyrim seceded, resulting in only a potential Cyrodiil-High Rock alliance, and maybe a Hammerfell-Skyrim alliance.  The world of men would be ripe for the taking by the mer.

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    • They should create a expansion mod, where dragonborn becomes an emperor and where you can appoint balgruuf as high king of skyrim

      would be fun...

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    • CzechMate wrote:
      Balgruuf is the most reasonable of the jarls, shows a good amount of interest in the people, and unlike Elisif, or Ulfric is least likely to be "killed" due to political disagreement. 


      What do you think?



      Vote for Sylvanas, a Zombie who cares!

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    • I simply don't understand why Ulfrich as to start with Whiterun.

      He could marsh anywhere else, since Balgruuf refuses to join a side until Ulfric declares war on him.


      Similar stories is with Season Unending. First you have to give a great fief to one side, and the other asks for compensation. You can give them one great fief as well, or one of two smaller ones.

      After that you may get a chance to give them one second fief, but you can't decide which one it is, unlike the decision before, which I totally hate. And you can never decide Whiterun to join a specific side since they are neutral if you are as well, or have not yet progressed far enough in the civil war for the battle of whiterun to be occoured.


      I'd say, give us the choice to conqure Whiterun or not, let them be the neutral swiss!

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    • Balgruuf will be ballin on the throne. 

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    • use a Ressurection spell on Festus Krex and put his skinny old butt on the High King's Throne. would be hilarious. "you, your a murderer. please burn to death" "NO NO NO AAAAAAAAAAAH!"

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    • Frozenhero1 wrote:
      He seems like a decent guy, but he's too over-cautious. His wishy-washiness has rubbed off onto his city, which is why Whiterun's theme is a city torn in two by the civil war. I mean, he's got the Battle-Borns and the Grey-Manes at each other's throats because he can't make a solid decision of who to back until an enemy literally is at the gates. That's no way to rule.

      And what kind of Jarl has an Imperial for an advisor/steward and a Dunmer for a Housecarl? Skyrim belongs to the Nords!   no actuly skyrims belongs to the forswarn

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    • Skyrim belongs to the snow elves actually. The natives. Accept it.

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