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    Who or what is the All-Maker Skaal worship? Is it Anu, why not?

    Skaal and Alessian Order are the only two known instances of monotheistic religions in the TES universe. 

    What if enough mortal belief could re-merge the divines into a single entity, creating a new oversoul of the All-Maker.

    Discuss. But, please, keep it on topic this time.

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    • Well, I think the All-Maker isn't "just" Anu, but rather Anu, Padomay and Nir. The Skaal gave the Enatiomorph a name. Even though they worship the All-Maker as a deity, they can't break Anu, Padomay and Nir into shards because mortal believe can only affect entitys inside Mundus.

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    • I don't think, that All-Maker is all of them, as the mythology also involved a nemesis - The Adversary.

      And then there's the Greedy-Man.

      Either way, being the source of all life... he has some connection of the Dreamsleeve.

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    • The Adversary would be the Enemy of the Enatiomorph: The World Eater, who eats what they created. 

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    • DarthOrc suggested, that Skaal aren't really monotheictic. And I guess they are correct.

      Skaal are animistic pantheist, and the grand oversoul would be the Dreamsleeve itself. Everything fits.

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    • It is implied in the Seven Fights that the Greedy-Man is Lorkhan (or possibly Shor).

      Due to the whole gradient business, it is most likely that the Adversary=Sithis and the All-Maker=Anuiel

      Both Anuiel and the All-Maker are also considered to make up the souls of all living things.

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    • The Skaal are Monotheistic; they do not accept the greedy man or the dedra as dieties. Unlike most real-life Monotheistic religions (Christianity Judaism and Islam), they are not missionary religion.

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    • can we have a bonus in the game by choosing him you know like the others in skyrim the small stones of talos etc

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    • No, of course not. There are no shrines to him.

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    • 24.113.141.44 wrote:
      Unlike most real-life Monotheistic religions (Christianity Judaism and Islam), they are not missionary religion.

      I apologize for the brief change of topic, but Judaism isn't missionary. Islam and Christianity traditionally are.

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    • IncinerateChicken wrote:
      No, of course not. There are no shrines to him.

      All maker stone is basically shrines to Him.

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    • I have to wonder if the All-maker might mistakenly be hircine because you can conjure a were-bear, last I checked, those beasts are HIS creations.

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    • The Skaal are Monotheistic; they are also animist. There are no real life Monotheistic religions that are also animist, but you could, hypoethitically, have both so long as the animist spirits that inhabit things and animals are not considered gods. So the Skaal can be called proper Monotheists, since they believe only one God exists. The believe in other spirits, the daedra, the Greedy Man, etc, but they do not consider them gods. 

      As far as pantheism goes, they don't say that the All-maker is one in the same with creation, so I don't think you could call them pantheist, at least not in the strict sense of the word. 

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    • The All-Maker is Shor, Father of Shor. I'll explain.

      "He was the Aka-Tusk, a somewhat foreign spirit (yeah, right) from the Totem Wars, and known mainly in the tongue of Men as the enemy-brother of Shor, and he said, "Look on them, my friends, and how the North has gone insane with the beating and beating of the Doom Drum, whose father they fool-talk call their All-Maker." - Fight Four, "The Tenpenny Winter... Again."

      We see Aka-Tusk (The Adversary, see below) discussing the father of the Doom Drum, who is Lorkhan. Given that the Seven Fights are a Nord story, we can then call this individual the father of Shor, who is also Shor.

      "The Adversary has many aspects. He appears in the unholy beasts and the incurable plague. At the End of Seasons, we will know him as Thartaag the World-Devourer." - Aevar Stone-Singer

      So we see here the Adversary called the "World-Devourer" a.k.a the World-Eater. This points to the Time Dragon as the Adversary. This aligns very well with Nordic mythology as the Dragan-as-the-enemy, such as what is seen in Shor, Son of Shor with Ald. Therefore, Aka-Tusk is the Adversary.

      Now you might say, "Wait, this means Alduin would be the Adversary since this is the World-Devourer and Ald is Alduin, too." Well, just wait. Notice the "has many aspects" part and take note of

      "And the third, who looked akin to a Karstaag-man, [gigantic], and adorned in storm cloud and endless, endless yellowtooth… [he] was Alduin the World-Eater, and he only said, "Ho ha ho."

      “You will eat nothing here, aspect Ald,” said the Aka-Tusk, sensing trouble. “Do not forget that it was Heaven itself that shed you from me.” - Fight Four, "The Tenpenny Winter... Again."

      Alduin is part of the Aka-Tusk, shed from him. Shor, the Doom Drum, is part of his father, born from him into the new Dawn and the new Kalpa. The Nords/Skaal seem to have some pretty detailed knowledge of subgradients.

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    • Itanu-Ryarod wrote:
      24.113.141.44 wrote:
      Unlike most real-life Monotheistic religions (Christianity Judaism and Islam), they are not missionary religion.
      I apologize for the brief change of topic, but Judaism isn't missionary. Islam and Christianity traditionally are.

      Thank you! It irked me too when he said that. Shalom!

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