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  • Lets ignore the fact that the dragonborn's soul belongs to Akatosh, and he could practically "sell" his soul for immense arcane power, and rub it in all the dadric prince's faces, and they couldn't do a darn thing. Seeing as how werewolfs go to hircine's realm, and nightingales go to the citadel, where would the dragonborn go?

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    • Dragonborn's soul doesn't belong to Akatosh. And Aedra do not enslave or bind souls for whatever reasons, faithful may join them by free will. (This is being thrown around, but I'm yet to see a source.)

      Daedra are also more powerful than Aedra, so if one or more Daedric Princes had bound a soul it would go to their realms, instead of the Aedric plane(t)s.

      Also, I'm not sure such things normally occur - if it's even possible lorewise. But speculation is always entertaining. 

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    • I don't think Daedra are stronger than Aedra, the Aedra have stored most of their power in the mortal plane and can't project their power very far but I'm pretty sure Akatosh is stronger than any of the Daedric Princes provided the confrontation takes place on Mundus.

      My dragonborn went the vampiric route in order to presumably never die. Granted all things come to an end eventually, but perhaps she'll manage to ascend to godhood like Talos before then.

      In terms of Hircine vs Nightingale I suspect Nightingale would take precedence because there was an active choice and a pact involved.

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    • Nocturnal would claim the Dragonborn's soul, as the choice to become a Nightingale is the act of willingly and knowingly swearing allegiance to her. Becoming a werewolf could be completely accidental or done while unaware of Hircine's claim on werewolves. Of all the Daedric Princes, Nocturnal is the one with the most rightful claim to the Dragonborn's soul. The others merely declare him/her their Champion, while the Dragonborn actually swears service to Nocturnal.

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    • The dadra are weaker than the adera, that's what they said in the dadra section.

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    • Nocturnal will not be able to claim the dragonborn's soul. If this was the case for daedra, Herma-mora could have just waited until Miraak died and then claimed his soul. Dragonborn are different. Their souls are strong, considering the fact that they are a accumilation of all the souls they have abosorbed. The last dragonborn will likely ascend into Godhood. I also think Shor will make a return, seeing as he likely absorbed Aldiun (much like Miraak could steal souls from the dragons even with the dragonborn present). Furthermore, if you believe in the Skaal's All-maker, the dragonborn will always have a choice to return to him. Even if the Dragonborn was claimed by a Daedric lord, it is likely the dragonborn could surpass the lord and become them, much like the hero of kvatch.

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    • I have a very terrible feeling about the fate of the Dragonborn, when he'll die his soul will be torn to piece by the daedric lords...

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    • My impression is that the Daedra seem to be more powerful in terms of raw strength, but the Aedra have more influence, or something similar. Also, re: Nocturnal, the DB barely even swore the oath. Basically Karliah just made him do it before he even had a chance to object. Oh and also, the contract only lasts a while, as evidenced by Gallus. It seems that normally, Nightingales then proceed into the Evergloam, but you could probably go somewhere else.

      Also, if the DB got old and decided he didn't want to die, he could always just have Serana bite him. Or Valerica, if she's cured. Basically, none of the Daedra have a legitimate claim on the Dragonborn, because he's just too important and has too many ways of circumventing them. But if I had to guess, I'd say Hermaeus Mora has the most legitimate claim, as he's actually formed a working relationship with him, and has a certain likelihood of having the DB willingly join him. Unlike, say, Nocturnal, who's an ungrateful jerk. #ishouldhavejustkepttheskeletonkey

      And yeah I'm with 99. The Dovahkiin's not going to die like a lesser mortal. At this point, seeing as how his predecessor is now a Daedric Prince, and the one before that seems to have CHIMed, he's probably going to like mantle Sithis or something.

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    • As I understand it Aedra and Daedra were originally the same type of creatures and the only thing seperating them is whether they chose to participate in the creation of the mortal plane or not. There were more than 8 Aedra but only those remained able to affect the world the others lost themselves. I think the Aedra were amongst the most powerful of the spirits and while much of their power is tied in the world there is nothing stopping any of them from being stronger than any of the Daedra.

      As a result I think any of the Aedra are technically stronger than the Daedric Princes but unable to act on it for the most part. Akatosh at least seems vastly stronger than any Daedra, though he might have trouble besting a Daedra in it's own plane of oblivion.

      The Dragonborn will probably ascend to godhood and void any deals though.

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    • Dovakiin's pact with Nocturnal to be in the Evergloam as a Nightingale isn't permanant, I think. So I'd guess s/he would be there until his/her part of the deal is done, then go to the Hunting Grounds or the planes of Oblivion of the other Daedric Princes.

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    • Doesn't the deal state it lasts until you are released? Maybe Nocturnal wouldn't want to give up that soul?

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    • Dovahkiin may end up becoming a god himself. That or the daedra fight over his soul, unless he finds some way to become immortal and stay alive.

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    • ScholarOfTheScrolls wrote:
      Dovahkiin may end up becoming a god himself. That or the daedra fight over his soul, unless he finds some way to become immortal and stay alive.

      Vampire is the way to go.

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    • TheDreamweaver wrote:
      Doesn't the deal state it lasts until you are released? Maybe Nocturnal wouldn't want to give up that soul?

      Well, I doubt Mephala, Boethiah, Molag Bal, Azura, Meridia, Clavicus Vile, Hircine, Hermaeus Mora, Malacath, Sheogorath, Mehrunes Dagon, Namira, Peryite, Sanguine, and possibly Vaermina would just let their champion be forever trapped in another Daedric Prince's realm, who more or less promised to not keep them forever.

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    • I believe the soul would go to Mora. This is because in the Dragonborn DLC you become his new servant after killing Miraak. Joining Nocturnal and Hiricine is optional.

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    • The daedra will battle for the dragonborn's soul, but ultimately the aedra would step in and intervene. That is to say, sending a champion to defeat him. Skyrim sequels anyone?

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    • 75.129.117.148 wrote:
      The daedra will battle for the dragonborn's soul, but ultimately the aedra would step in and intervene. That is to say, sending a champion to defeat him. Skyrim sequels anyone?

      A protagonist fighting another protagonist? How about no? 

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    • The Daedra can do things that the Aedra cannot reverse. Remember how Molag Bal created the race of undying vampires specifically to spite Arkay, the God of Death. In the book Opusculus Lamae Bal, it states that after Molag Bal did this, "And so was the scourge of undeath wrought upon Tamriel, cruelly mocking Arkay’s rhythm of life and death through all the coming eras of the et'Ada, and for all his sadness, Arkay knew this could not be undone."

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    • Sure and despite many of them trying none of the Daedric Princes can seriously affect the mortal realm, only small scale trouble making and sponsoring some champions here and there.

      I'd say it more suggests that they are roughly equals with each their own place of power, though of course the Daedra can affect their own realm a great deal more than the Aedra can theirs, but then the Oblivion planes are a lot more fluid and fickle.

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    • The Dragonborn will be fought over by the Daedric princes in a court of law. He will spend Mondays with Sheogorath, Tuesday with Herma Mora, Wednesday with Azura, Thursday with Clavicus Vile, Friday with Sanguine, Saturday with Hircine, and Sunday with Nocturnal. The rest of the Daedric princes get a piece of the dragonborn's nipples.

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    • Want to know what'll happen to the Dragonborn after he dies? Nothing. Nothing is what always happens with every single TES protagonists after their respective games end. With perhaps the exception of the HoK, who bitch-slapped the law and became Sheogorath.

      Lorewise, none of this would happen. The Dragonborn would only do one thing, serve one prince, do one questline, be a more "normal" hero. By doing everything you can do, you break the line of plausible, and your hero fades into non-existence, as it always happened.

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    • Except for vague, vague references such as those about the Nerevarine.

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    • I think that the Dragonborn is the one being in the world at this point with true freedom. I don't think that any being can keep him locked to one place after he dies/Ascends and that his spirt, like Ysmir, will be able to do whatever he'd like, Gods be damned.

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    • The Dragonborn has a dragon soul. A dragon soul is a shard of the original time god Aka, which makes a dragon soul quasi-divine.

      I doubt that any Daedric Prince or Aedra would be able to take control of it.

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    • AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote:
      The Dragonborn has a dragon soul. A dragon soul is a shard of the original time god Aka, which makes a dragon soul quasi-divine.

      I doubt that any Daedric Prince or Aedra would be able to take control of it.

      Too cool for you Daedra.

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    • Ok so staying on the original topic Nightingale you swear and Oath Werewolf (Companions) you swear an oath but the nightingale one was more formal also offtopic Aedra are more powerfull than daedra but aedra arn't immortal there immortality was stolen by the god Numidium to make Nirn so the aedra killed him but the daedra are immortal so they can pick off the aedra 1 at a time and win easily if they could ever get along

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    • Donav9 wrote:
      Ok so staying on the original topic Nightingale you swear and Oath Werewolf (Companions) you swear an oath but the nightingale one was more formal also offtopic Aedra are more powerfull than daedra but aedra arn't immortal there immortality was stolen by the god Numidium to make Nirn so the aedra killed him but the daedra are immortal so they can pick off the aedra 1 at a time and win easily if they could ever get along


      You've got a bunch of stuff wrong there.

      First, the LDB doesn't make an Oath to become a Werewolf, he simply drinks Aelas blood. It is also not known whether Aedra are truly more powerful than Daedra, since this also depends on where they are located. Numidium never stole anything. You're thinking of Lorkhan, but he didn't steal their immortality. Lorkhan tricked the Aedra to give up parts of themselves, which made them "die" and bound them to Nirn. Also, the Aedra never killed Numidium, you're again thinking of Lorkhan (then again, it was Trinimac who killed Lorkhan [well, ripped his heart out]). Daedra are, contrary to popular believe, not immortal. But it's practicly impossible to kill a Daedric Prince in its own realm, since they're omnipotent there (though the Soulless One in ESO manages to almost kill Molag Bal).

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    • It's also almost impossible to kill a Daedric Prince outside's it's realm as it won't be fully out, just projecting it's power.

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    • ScholarOfTheScrolls wrote:
      75.129.117.148 wrote:
      The daedra will battle for the dragonborn's soul, but ultimately the aedra would step in and intervene. That is to say, sending a champion to defeat him. Skyrim sequels anyone?
      A protagonist fighting another protagonist? How about no? 

      I Smell  A 2 Player XD

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    • TheDreamweaver wrote:
      It's also almost impossible to kill a Daedric Prince outside's it's realm as it won't be fully out, just projecting it's power.

      No. It's possible to kill a Daedric Prince outside of its realm. It will be send to the Waters of Oblivion if that happens, where it is reborn. A Daedric Prince can only truly be killed if you kill it in its own realm.

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    • AngryEnclaveSoldier wrote:
      TheDreamweaver wrote:
      It's also almost impossible to kill a Daedric Prince outside's it's realm as it won't be fully out, just projecting it's power.
      No. It's possible to kill a Daedric Prince outside of its realm. It will be send to the Waters of Oblivion if that happens, where it is reborn. A Daedric Prince can only truly be killed if you kill it in its own realm.

      That's essentially what I said. ALMOST impossible. By which I mean you'd need to be a being of cosmic power which traps the Daedra's spirit. Presumably no being has that much power as Akatosh banished Dagon rather than kill him, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible if the Daedric Prince had fully entered the mortal plane.

      The Daedric Princes are already able to walk the mortal plane as avatars from time to time, so I'd say there's a difference between that and when the barrier was down during the Oblivion Crisis.

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    • Hicine or noctunal would have to leave it to the Dragonborn. If you think about it any Daedra that can lach on to a soul has a rightful claim to the soul. So it would be up to the Dragonborn

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    • At the end of the day, any Dragonborn that plays a large amount of content in Skyrim, specifically faction-wise, is going to break the lore and do impossible things. It's simply how Bethesda designed it. Therefore most of the Daedra claim questions here wouldn't arise, because the Dragonborn wouldn't become a champion of every Daedra and finish the Thieves Guild, Companions, DB, AND College quests. They all have very different alignments and views that conflict quite often.

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    • well being the fact that the hero of skyrim is the Dragonborn he would be owned by Akatosh the dragon god of time in some way, but if he has made pacts with many Daedra: when he dies he would have to decide who to go with. unless one of the daedra or aedra can make copies of him and each of them take the copies, and the dragonborn would most likely be stuck in Soul cairn or go to Sovngarde but if he WAS a werewolf he would go straight to hircines Hunting grounds, if he was a nightinggale he would clearly go to nocturnals realm, and if he was BOTH he clearly would have to decide then.

      Unlike the hero of Kvatch who was given lemons by life, threw back them at lifes face and became the new Sheogorath. i wonder where the hero of daggerfall went after he died in the warp in the west....

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    • Soul Cairn is only for those trapped in soulgems, Sovngarde is Nords-only. being multi-faction is largely lore-breaking. Nightingales are never stated that they go to the Ebonmere.

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    • I always believed that you'd possibly go to multiple places at once, or parts of you go to different places. Say, the werewolves malevolence inside you may create an ego that roams in the hunting grounds, while your heroic self may become a persona in Sovngard.

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    • Werewolves aren't necssarily evil just because they're carnivores. Again, Sovngarde is a Nordic resting ground. Only Nordic Dovahkiin go there.

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    • Cipher3 wrote:
      Werewolves aren't necssarily evil just because they're carnivores. Again, Sovngarde is a Nordic resting ground. Only Nordic Dovahkiin go there.

      No you're wrong on that. Only pure Nords that don't serve any daedric princes can go to Sovngarde.

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    • 122.150.110.125 wrote:
      Cipher3 wrote:
      Werewolves aren't necssarily evil just because they're carnivores. Again, Sovngarde is a Nordic resting ground. Only Nordic Dovahkiin go there.
      No you're wrong on that. Only pure Nords that don't serve any daedric princes can go to Sovngarde.

      Or you both are. Souls tend to get recycled in the Dreamsleeve, unless their AE is aligned to some divine force for various reason, so a brave Nord who died in battle, for instance, could go to Sovngarde, or the Dragonborn's soul will return to Akatosh, but most souls are recycled unless they pledge it or it is claimed (or orignally belonging to someone anyway).  

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    • 122.150.110.125 wrote:
      Cipher3 wrote:
      Werewolves aren't necssarily evil just because they're carnivores. Again, Sovngarde is a Nordic resting ground. Only Nordic Dovahkiin go there.
      No you're wrong on that. Only pure Nords that don't serve any daedric princes can go to Sovngarde.

      I think perhaps you misinterpreted me. The Dovahkiin can only go to Sovngarde in death if the character is a Nord.

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    • Doesn't Tsun suggest he might see you again at the gates of Sovengarde even if the character isn't a Nord? I think all you'd really need is the Heart of a True Nord, and since Nordic culture is for the most part limited to Nords, there wouldn't be many non-nords in Sovengarde (and I refuse to believe Shor has less than 30 people in his hall).

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    • The Dragonborn's pact with nocturnal ended the moment he/she returned the key. The pact was to serve her until your contract is fulfilled...and when you return the key Nocturnal says: "What you fail to realize is your actions were expected and represent nothing more than the fulfillment of your agreement. Don't mistake my tone for displeasure, after all, you've obediently performed your duties to the letter. But we both know this has little to do with honor and oaths and loyalty. It's about the reward; the prize. Fear not. You'll have your trinkets, your desire for power, your hunger for wealth. I bid you to drink deeply from the Ebonmere, mortal. For this is where the Agent of Nocturnal is born. The Oath has been struck, the die has been cast and your fate awaits you in the Evergloam. Farewell, Nightingale. See to it the Key stays this time, won't you?"

      Note how she says the "fulfillment of your agreement" meaning her only purpose for you was to return the key, and she herself considers the deal done. She also says your fate awaits you in the evergloam, and her nightingales only go there when they finish their duties as a guardian and choose to become part of the luck. It doesn't even have to mean spending any part of the afterlife there either the fate in the evergloam can just as easily mean getting your nightingale power as a reward in exchange for unlocking the evergloam.

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    • would it depend which prince had him longer in their service maybe?

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    • my dragonborn: "who to chose, who to chose. screw it. *joins hircine*."

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    • A Nightingale isn't forced to go to the Evergloom after death, they're only forced contractually to defend the Entrance until Nocturnal deems their service at an end (though I think she'd be fair in this regard an it would expire after several decades like Gallus). After that they receive the special invitation to reside in the Evergloom.

      Unless Nocturnal and Hircine would cooperate in a way that one's obligation to Nocturnal would be completed first, and then the werewolf spirit would take it's host to the Hunting grounds, then there would be a conflict between the two.

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    • ScholarOfTheScrolls wrote:
      Dovahkiin may end up becoming a god himself. That or the daedra fight over his soul, unless he finds some way to become immortal and stay alive.


      ....CHIM ?

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    • Could'nt you write a will asking someone to go cure your lycanthropy after you died, just fulfil your contract with Nocturnal after a few decades guarding and then, I dont know, go to Afterlifes R Us and browse for a bit?

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    • After you return the skeleton key your contract with Nocturnal is over. Being half dragon you are sort of a half son of akatosh, in the Lore it states 'the sons of akatosh return to his halls' which means that being a half son of akatosh you will return to his realm with all the other dragons you've slain although probably not alduin he probably would have been banished.

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    • Cipher3 wrote:

      The Dovahkiin can only go to Sovngarde in death if the character is a Nord.

      All I have to say, is that I got a Khajiit to enter Sovngarde, even though temporarily, I kind said "FUCK THE POLICE" and went anyway, then came back like a boss. Wait, where do Khajiit go after death, out of curiosity.

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    • Lore-wise, I think the whole "4 Daedras are fighting to decide who gets to keep me" couldn't happen, I'm pretty sure an individual would not be allowed to make pacts with several Daedras without the other Daedras he's sworn to intervening. Does Hircine want to lose you to Nocturnal? I think not, he would likely take action before you even got to the pact with Nocturnal (or Nocturnal would refuse you for being bound to another Daedric Prince).

      Going to the afterlife the Aedras have for you (Sovngarde for the Nords and the valliants, for instance), I think, would simply not be possible if you made a pact with a Daedra. The Aedras are served willingly, you can stop worshiping Akatosh, for instance, and no punishment will ensue. Have fun trying to "quit" Clavicus Vile. You die, he claims your soul, that is what you get. Hell, as far as Sovngarde goes, making such a pact with any Daedra probably disqualifies you from the get go from entering. There is no honor or valor in serving Daedras.

      If your Dragonborn has become a Nightingale, he is forever bound to Nocturnal. For her blessings (the armor, the luck, the power you chose upon giving her the key) in your life as a thief, she will take your services in the afterlife (guarding the Twilight Shrine), and once she judges you have served her well enough as a guardian, you will become part of the Evergloam, to be one with the shadows in which thieves hide. It's pretty clear to me. Not only does she say "The Oath has been struck, the die has been cast and your fate awaits you in the Evergloam" when you complete her quest, but even upon trying to enter Sovngarde, giving the Nightingale answer when asked by what right you claim entry ("By right of plunder, I am a Nightingale of Nocturnal") will have the guardian (whose name I forgot) note that being a thief gives you no right to enter Sovngarde, but he does comment that your oath forever binds your to Nocturnal.

      I suppose an exception can be made if the Dragonborn became the Dark Brotherhood's Listener, who serves Sithis and is bound to the Night Mother. Sithis is more powerful than Aedras and Daedras (having created them), I am pretty sure he would take priority over any Daedras (and of course Aedras because you don't make pacts with them...) who thinks he or she may claim your soul. Upon dying, the Listener will, no doubt, be claimed by Sithis and become part of the Void, regardless of other pacts taken (which I doubt Sithis would let you do in the first place).

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    • Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote:
      A Nightingale isn't forced to go to the Evergloom after death, they're only forced contractually to defend the Entrance until Nocturnal deems their service at an end (though I think she'd be fair in this regard an it would expire after several decades like Gallus). After that they receive the special invitation to reside in the Evergloom.

      Unless Nocturnal and Hircine would cooperate in a way that one's obligation to Nocturnal would be completed first, and then the werewolf spirit would take it's host to the Hunting grounds, then there would be a conflict between the two.

      You have a point in that the only obligatory part after dying as a Nightingale is that you must protect the Shrine for a while (which makes sense, Nocturnal protected you with her luck when you were alive, so you protect her temple for a while after your death - fair deal, and she doesn't seem to fool her followers), afterwhich becoming one with the Evergloam does not seem to be an obligation (however it seems to be perceived as an honor so I doubt Nightingales would refuse to enter their mistress' realm and become the very shadow that cover their fellow thieves).

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    • Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote:
      Doesn't Tsun suggest he might see you again at the gates of Sovengarde even if the character isn't a Nord? I think all you'd really need is the Heart of a True Nord, and since Nordic culture is for the most part limited to Nords, there wouldn't be many non-nords in Sovengarde (and I refuse to believe Shor has less than 30 people in his hall).

      Sovngarde is for the valliants, not just the Nords. There is at the very least one Redguard there.

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    • You guys forget, Ysgramor is in Sovngard and he is an Atmoran. Sure Atmorans are the ancestors of Nords but he isn't a Nord. 

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    • My impression was that mortals who don't sell their souls to Daedra or get soul trapped just end up in whatever afterlife they believe in after they die, before being soul-recycled. So essentially, anyone who believed in Sovngarde, whether they were Nord, Redguard, or Imga, could end up there.

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    • As others have stated, the pact made with Nocturnal was a concious choice made by the Dragonborn. There was no accident, no foul play. The Dragonborn willingly forfeits his/her soul to Nocturnal. From that alone, Nocturnal would have more rights to claim the soul than Hircine or any other Daedric lord seeking the soul of their champion. Additionally, the prerequisites are never really confirmed for joining Hircine's realm.

      All we know is that if you're a werewolf alone and die as one, you become part of Hircine's realm. It isn't ever suggested what occurs if the soul is already forfeit and promised to another Daedric lord. Whichever Daedric lord a pact was made with first, logically, we would believe that they have the right to claim first. Although, these are Daedric lords, so perhaps your protagonist would choose between them or the Daedric lords would send champions to duel for it. It is a good question, though lore wise, it is unknown.

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    • This is more funny than weird. The other day I cast a fury spell on a chicken on the side of the road & got a bounty in Eastmarch. No big surprise. Well about 15 or so minutes later I was travelling on the same road and used unrelenting force on a goat near where that chicken was, and killed it. Well I ended up getting a another bounty for killing the witness to the crime committed against the chicken.

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    • 107.128.84.161 wrote:
      This is more funny than weird. The other day I cast a fury spell on a chicken on the side of the road & got a bounty in Eastmarch. No big surprise. Well about 15 or so minutes later I was travelling on the same road and used unrelenting force on a goat near where that chicken was, and killed it. Well I ended up getting a another bounty for killing the witness to the crime committed against the chicken.

      Wrong thread bro.

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    • I believe it's been mentioned above in some capacity, but I figured that the Last Dragonborn was exempt from the "normal rules" regarding souls due to the fact that he/she is a dragon. Dragon souls are not ordinary mortal souls, and cannot be claimed in the same way. Note no dragon can be soul trapped, and even those that are trapped in oblivion planes, Durnehviir and Miraak, are simply physically trapped there: the Ideal Masters do not "own" Durnehviir's soul, just as Hermaeus Mora does not "own" Miraak's soul. Durnehviir has simply lived in the Soul Cairn for so long that his physical body cannot survive outside of it for very long, while Miraak is simply trapped in Apocrypha with no good exit.

      Dragon souls are bound to their physical shells after death, thus why Alduin can resurrect the fallen members of his army, unless there is another dragon present at the time of death to take ownership of that soul. In addition, by very nature dragon souls are somewhat divine, as they are shards of the Time Dragon. Considering the fact that the Last Dragonborn can quite possibly consume thousands of dragons by the end of his/her life, I would reckon that they would at the very least be able to simply go to whichever afterlife they preferred, if not transcend to godhood by virtue of having such a large soulstack.

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    • Cipher3 wrote:
      122.150.110.125 wrote:
      Cipher3 wrote:
      Werewolves aren't necssarily evil just because they're carnivores. Again, Sovngarde is a Nordic resting ground. Only Nordic Dovahkiin go there.
      No you're wrong on that. Only pure Nords that don't serve any daedric princes can go to Sovngarde.
      I think perhaps you misinterpreted me. The Dovahkiin can only go to Sovngarde in death if the character is a Nord.


      Not 100% true

      There ARE instance of non nords going to sovngarde if deemed worthy

      It's just super rare

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    • Normal mortals go to whichever afterlife they believe in after death. Most of these afterlives are in the dreamsleeve, where the souls are recycled, while Sovngarde is elsewhere, being presided over by Lorkhan. The only requirement for Sovngarde is that you believe in it and that you die in combat, not that you are a Nord.

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    • On the note of the Last Dragonborn, there are several potential outcomes: he becomes a God through soulstacking Dragon Souls, he chooses to remain on Nirn as an immortal Hero, he chooses to die and go to whichever afterlife he desires, he chooses to go to Oblivion and serve a Daedric Prince he favors, or he chooses to rejoin Aka or Akatosh. Others also, as there are many decisions he can make that I cannot list. However, it is beyond the power of any Daedric Prince to claim his soul without his consent: he is inherently divine by virtue of holding the largest shard of the Time Dragon outside of the major Aspects, and is possibly Shezarrine.

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    • I think he would go to Nocturnal's realm because a Nightengale probably has more connexion with Nocturnal than a random wearwolf does with Hircine

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    • I would say that the Dragonborn is so powerfull that when (or if) he dies, he will have accumulated enough dragon souls, including Alduins, that Mundus would not be able to contain the power and the Dragonborn would either acend to godhood, become a Daedric Prince or even form his own plane of existence. He is so powerfull that he went to Sovngarde and at least 4 Daedric planes of existence and returned. He has also obtained all the Dragon priest masks , Daedric artifacts  and many dwemer artifacts . Furthermore, he is the potential leader of all the guilds and the Thane of every hold as well as the Arch-Mage of the College of WinterHold . He has contained the power of the Eye of Magnus , the god of Magic. He has also sworn to wreak havoc on Tamriel with the weapons and armor the Daedric Princes gave to him, swearing alleginace to them as well. After almost every Daedric artifact you recive they say for you to wreak havoc on Tamriel.

      So if the Dragonborn isn't powerfull enought to become a god, then at least he would be powerful enough to tell some "puny" Deadric Prince that he no longer swears allegience to him/her.

      Another theory of mine is that when the Dragonborn dies his soul will be split across the planes for each to share.

      To put the arguments down about Aedra being stronger then Daedra or vise versa, Deadra are deffinitly stronger because as a result of the Aedra leaving Mundus so late, their powers were weakened so much as to becoming mortal. the Deadra might not have as many followers, but they deffinitly make up for that in immortality. 

      The lore behind this, as some of you may not know, is that Lorkhan tricked the et'Ada (original spirits) into creating Mundus. Little did the know that it was draining their power. Magnus realized this and fled early on creating the sun. soon after, many others realized this and fled only after their power were greatly weakened, creating the stars.

      Info on this lore


      Although you could just load a previous save and never die like a boss. Your choice.

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    • Docbrown314 wrote:
      at least 4 Daedric planes

      Wait four? Which ones? I can only think of two. Apocrypha and the Soul cairn.

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    • Rukathesoldier wrote:
      Docbrown314 wrote:
      at least 4 Daedric planes
      Wait four? Which ones? I can only think of two. Apocrypha and the Soul cairn

      don't forget The Deadplanes ruled by Mehrunes Dagon and Coldharbour ruled by Molag Bal

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    • I don't recall the dragonborn going either of those places. 

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    • i forgot this is a skyrim off topic board

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    • but i do remember that the black star can be a realm of oblivion if your malyn varen of course

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    • I believe that if the dragonborn had made a deal with Hircine and several days, months, years whatever the case may be later decided to make a deal with Nocturnal, at that point Hircine would intervene and prevent some sort of "betrayal". As powerful and knowing as the series lets you believe the Daedra are I can't see one of them allowing another to "take" something that is theirs through whatever deal was made previously. This would go for all the Daedra not just these two individuals. Anyway that's my thoughts.

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    • Truthfully i think the Dragon Born can make as many pact's as he want's.  The Daedra are just still too limited to stop him from changing to another, the Dragon Born's strong enough to defeat their champions making it a waste. It's far better for them to sweet talk the Dragon Born than to try and stop him. Plus all the Daedra wouldn't have wanted Akatosh to win because he would threaten there own plan's and by assisting him in it he owe's them, and removes a thorn from their side all at the same time.  Also if the Dragon Born did need help from the Aedra i think Talos would be able to assist.  This is all in my own opinion though since it is impossiple to prove anything.

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    • If I was to think something its that when you turn into a werewolf Hircine doesn´t actually know that you ARE a werewolf, not making you say an oath or "sell" your soul to him, as for when you turn into a Nightingale, there´s an oath, Nocturnal talks to the Dragonborn, Karliah and Brynjolf and Karliah specifies you will protect the Twilight Sepulcher even in the afterlife, so I say that in my logic it is more likely that the Dragonborn´s soul would serve Nocturnal in the Sepucher in the afterlife...

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    • Razgriz Ace18 wrote:
      Cipher3 wrote:

      The Dovahkiin can only go to Sovngarde in death if the character is a Nord.

      All I have to say, is that I got a Khajiit to enter Sovngarde, even though temporarily, I kind said "FUCK THE POLICE" and went anyway, then came back like a boss. Wait, where do Khajiit go after death, out of curiosity.

      I think I remember something about the Khajiit going to a land "beyond the moons", which apparently has sand dunes made of sugar.

      And in regards to the debates of the Dovahkiin's soul, I agree with those believeing that Dovahkiin will achieve CHIM. In a way, every time you absorb a Dragon's soul, you are stealing its small bit of immortality, building in power (As evidenced by the "spending" of these souls). So, the Dragonborn would essentially become equal or greater in power to the Aedra and Daedra.

      ALTERNATIVELY, and I think that this theory is the truth, the Dragonborn is a Shezzarine, and therefore cannot be claimed, as he or she will be simply reborn as another powerful mortal hero/villain, and shares an oversoul with the Underking, as well as possibly King Wulfarth and Talos.

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    • The Khajiit realm of Aetherius is apparently called the Sands Behind the Stars.

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    • Well that sounds a hell of a lot cooler then Sovngarde.

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    • I believe as an antagonist of prophecy and divinity and part of a pantheon... I think The Dragonborns become their own divine. Just like Reman Cyrodiil, he's a confirmed cult, and so do Nerevarine, and CoC is debated to have become the Madgod. Heroes of old has been told to have become deities, so why not Dragonborn, become it's own lord of his destiny? Her/hissoul maybe belongs to several leaders, but he must have struck a bargain with them he owes. :L or split the soul, like a piece of cake. o3o

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    • What about the Nedes?

      Are they in Sovngarde? Do they count as valiant in this thing?

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    • The Daedra are stronger, but the Aedra are better.

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    • And the sands of Aetherius are better too :3

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    • I don't think the Daedra have any claim over the DB's soul. Herma Mora took Miraak just before he was about to die and granted him Immortality. Had he not done this, Miraak's dragon soul would have been free to go to Sovngarde. Tsun even states that you will let into Sovngarde whether or not you've pledged yourself to Sithis or  Nocturnal. He always states that at your end of days you can go to Sovrngarde. That or it seems if you kill another Dragonborn like Miraak or if he were to kill you..depsite the fact he pledged his soul to Herma Mora, you still claim it like any dragon spirit. He'd absorb your soul the way you do him if it were the other way around. I don't think a Dragon Soul is like a normal soul at all. It seems more like a divine soul that not even the Daedra can claim. Not even Hircine, Molag Bal or Nocturnal can truly take it. It's almost as if Dragonborn's are exempt from sinning against the Divines just like Alduin or the dragons. 

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    • In my personal opinion the DB would either ascend to god-hood or go to Soverngard. Talos proved that a mortal could force themselves to god-hood, and so did Vivec, several others, and perhaps even the entire dwemer race. It wouldn't be suprising if the DB ended up doing that either since he was easily capable of weilding Keening without Wraithguard and not die on the spot.

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    • Dragonborn don't really die, they just reload from the last save point - trust me, I've seen it happen.

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    • Only akatosh can decide where dragonvorn will go and tha last dragonborn is not that easy to manypulate with it.miraak was herma mora's servant but if not the last dragonborn he could freely escape and herma mora couldn't do anything.so trust me dragonborn is much stronger than u think.the gift of the gods will decide himself where to go

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    • Well, seeing as how you can use a Glenmoril Witch head to cure lycanthropy and there is no way to stop the oath to be a Nightingale, Nocturnal would win.

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    • Maybe none of the Daedra get the Dragonborn’s soul. Instead they just receive one of the dragon souls they’ve collected. That would certainly piss off the Daedra. Nocturnal is expecting just another servant to guard her temple and instead she received a rampaging fire breathing lizard that likely would eat her other guardians and Hircine would have to deal with a creature born and made to dominate flying around his realm turning his Eternal Hunting Grounds into an eternal one sided slaughter.

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    • Im pretty sure in Dragonborn souls go to Sovngarde regardless of what they do as they have the soul of a Dragon which belong to Akatosh

      also i have pledged my allegiance to like every Daedric lord i have encountered cause im a werewolf so Hircine would want me, I served Molag Bol so he might try to claim me, Nocturnal would try to claim my soul as im a Nightingale, Im also a listener so Sithis could try to claim my soul

      in other words it is a massive clusterfuck so i think just Dragonborns go to Sovngarde regardless of what happens

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    • I don't remember any mention that Sithis claims his followers soul, only those killed in his name.

      I'm not sure if merely being in his cult is enough or if some prayer needs to be said or if it's the contract being fulfilled that does the thing, but being claimed by Sithis means that you cease to exist. Utterly.

      Any way Sithis is one of the original beings of creation/chaos so I guess it might actually be the only one who could successfully claim the Dragonborns soul other than Akatosh.

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