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  • I know maven is not killable, are there any other ways to keep  laila and stay on the imperial side? For example can the war be one without the imperials succeeding in taking riften? Or will the jarl change in the end anyway? If maven does become jarl, can I sneak laila out of jail? I know it's probably impossible, I just wanted to check.

    Thanks! 

    Oh! And I'm playing on an xbox so I can't use console comands or mods :(

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    • No.  Sorry, but there is no way for you to complete the Civil War in favor or the Imperials and keep Maven.  Also, Laila is exiled to Windhelm so there is no purpose to her sneaking out of jail.  If it makes you feel any better, Riften's entire political system is corrupt, even with Laila incharge.

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    • The only thing I can think of would be to make a mod, but then that would only work on the PC version, so, sorry.

      I totally get what you mean though. Riften may be corrupt, but Laila's at least a decent and honest enough person, and she's much nicer to converse with than "Maven the Smug-Snake". Laila may be ignorant, but she seems to care a lot about the well-being of her subjects, and while she sympathizes with Ulfric's cause, she seems like she'd have made a decent Jarl under the Empire.


      Or, a Decent-Jarl-considering-she-lives-in-Riften, at any rate.

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    • Maven was in charge to begin with - the guards were in her pocket, Laila's steward was in her pocket...Laila herself may well have been.

      At worst, Maven officially being in charge changes nothing. At best having to keep up some of the day to day tasks of running the city might keep her too busy to run her criminal enterprises.

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    • you can just not regain the rift

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    • Mjoll for Jarl!


      She may not have any political experience, but even in the worst case, she could hardly make the situation worse than it is.

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    • 93.209.251.189 wrote:
      Mjoll for Jarl!


      She may not have any political experience, but even in the worst case, she could hardly make the situation worse than it is.

      Amen to that. That city needs someone who actually cares about purging corruption to lead it. Plus Mjoll can actually fight.

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    • 93.209.251.189 wrote:
      Mjoll for Jarl!


      She may not have any political experience, but even in the worst case, she could hardly make the situation worse than it is.


      I wish. I wish so hard.

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    • who else is temted to just stab maven as many times as possible then shoot her whith the wabbajack thus turning her into a sweet role and then eat her.

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    • Geez. Am I the only one who likes Maven?

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    • I don't mind her. I like what she did with Sibbi, but I don't like how she doesn't like Ingun, because I love her. I wish I didn't need to do her bidding when I join the Thieves Guild, but it's cool that she compliments you on getting into the AD party.

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    • Rukathesoldier wrote:
      Geez. Am I the only one who likes Maven?

      I wouldn't say I like her, but I would say she's more fit to rule than Laila.

      Laila is a sweetheart. She has such noble intentions, but no backbone to rule. Every ruler in history has had to lay down the hammer at some point. While Laila is just and idealistic, she's also horribly naive. She's surrounded by yes men and has virtually no grasp of the dirty dealings going on in her own city. In fact, for all intents and purposes, she's already a puppet ruler.

      Maven runs Riften, and everyone knows it but Laila, poor thing.

      Taking Laila out of her seat without killing her is the most merciful thing you could do, because she was already in way over her head.

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    • In my many play through I had only sided with the Stormcloaks once. I tend to favor the Imperials. This group seems to be much more powerful and not run by a wanted murder. After all the leader of the Stormcloaks escaped from the chopping block at the beginning of the game and ends up getting killed when you side with the Imperial army.

      IMPERIAL ARMOR FOREVER!!!

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    • This isn't about the Stormcloaks vs the Imperials but winning the war for the Imperials without making Maven Black-Briar the Jarl of the Rift.

      Maybe go past The Battle for Fort Greenwall (which will put Maven in charge) but before ending the civil war questline see if you can give Riften back to the Stormcloaks in Season Unending (bringing back Laila), no idea though if that would actually work you may just have to take the Rift again to finish the war and it could very well cause glitches and bugs.

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    • Maven is the leader of Riften anyway,even if Stormcloaks or Imperials rule

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    • So my question is: Is there a way to end the corruption in Riften? Is there anyway to exile Maven perhaps or do I just need to accept that Riften sucks to live in and I can't help any of the people?

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    • As i said above you could try using Season Unending and the civil war (that order might be better actually) but i'm not sure if it'll work. The only definite way to get rid of Maven is the Destroy the Thieves Guild mod on PC.

      Edit - After some further looking around it sounds like Maven won't stay at the Blue Palace like other Imperial Jarls that get removed and she'll eventually make her way back to Riften, so without mods i don't think you can get rid of her.

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    • Rukathesoldier wrote:
      Geez. Am I the only one who likes Maven?

      http://media2.picsearch.com/is?2_qmSE-_l37pIrvvESIYM4YqxXRxYr0WlfoeubFYrrQ&height=323

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    • i got maven to attack me without anyone noticing but when she attacked she didn't get in trouble by the guards so i stole everything from her house. I wish i could choose what to say to her so i could call her a stuck up dog.

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    • I know an exploit to kill essential characters but am keeping it for myself. (Insert trollface here)

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    • 96.2.58.136 wrote:
      93.209.251.189 wrote:
      Mjoll for Jarl!


      She may not have any political experience, but even in the worst case, she could hardly make the situation worse than it is.


      I wish. I wish so hard.

      Personally I think Mjoll is a bad idea. She will make an excellent Captain of the Hold Guards though.

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    • Please get back on topic. Thank you.

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    • Maven becoming Jarl is the only reason I haven't joined the Imperial Army yet. Her in charge... *shudder*

      Now, if there was a way to make Saerlund Law-Giver Jarl, I'd be all for that. But that's as likely as Jarl Balgruuf becoming High King.

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    • WhenDovCry wrote:
      Maven becoming Jarl is the only reason I haven't joined the Imperial Army yet. Her in charge... *shudder*

      Now, if there was a way to make Saerlund Law-Giver Jarl, I'd be all for that. But that's as likely as Jarl Balgruuf becoming High King.

      Jarl Balgruuf would be an excellent high King

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    • 203.109.214.107 wrote:


      Jarl Balgruuf would be an excellent high King

      Couldn't agree more. :)

      Also, I don't consider Maven on the throne being that much of a difference than if Laila was still in charge. Maven is still the true boss. On the contrary, if you are in the Thieves Guild, you probably want to have Maven fully in control of Riften so secure the guild's own position and survival. Of course, there is no difference in the game if Laila is in charge too. I suppose from a roleplay perspective you'd want Maven in charge over the city of thieves.

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    • I'd rather have a jarl who does nothing about the corruption than one who makes it worse.

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    • Both are equally bad though.

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    • Aramirtheranger wrote:
      I'd rather have a jarl who does nothing about the corruption than one who makes it worse.

      I'd rather have a Jarl who knows what's going on in her city. 

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    • Blademaster Jauffre wrote:
      Aramirtheranger wrote:
      I'd rather have a jarl who does nothing about the corruption than one who makes it worse.
      I'd rather have a Jarl who knows what's going on in her city. 

      I'd rather be the jarl of Riften myself. 

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    • Aramirtheranger wrote: I'd rather have a jarl who does nothing about the corruption than one who makes it worse.

      By doing nothing, Laila is making it worse.

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    • Bilitis wrote:

      I'd rather be the jarl of Riften myself. 

      Can't argue with that.

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    • Ottoman Hold wrote:

      Aramirtheranger wrote: I'd rather have a jarl who does nothing about the corruption than one who makes it worse.

      By doing nothing, Laila is making it worse.

      Oh, sorry, one who intentionally makes it worse.

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    • Aramirtheranger wrote:

      Oh, sorry, one who intentionally makes it worse.

      Maven is able to change the crime in Riften. Laila is not. Maven might do it intentionally, but she's also the only one able to stop it.

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    • And she clearly has no intention of doing so.

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    • Aramirtheranger wrote:
      And she clearly has no intention of doing so.

      Not yet no. But when do you have the biggest chance of something stopping in a Hold? When the Jarl has the power to stop it, or when the Jarl does not have the power to stop it?

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    • You believe that someone like Maven changes. That's cute.

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    • Aramirtheranger wrote:
      You believe that someone like Maven changes. That's cute.

      I never said that, I said that she's the only one able to change the way things go in Riften. Not Laila.

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    • Using Apocolypse spells, I found two ways of getting rid of Maven, one reversible, one permanent. Get the Entomb spell and you can put her in the ground and be rid of her for as long as you like. Unfortunately, since she's a member of the Thieves Guild, it places you at war with them, not a great solution if you're the Master of the Guild.  Unfortunately, you can also only have one person entombed at a time, and have to release the one in the ground to do it to someone else. The other is the Master Summoning Spell Banish to Oblivion, which permanently removes any character from the game, but at the same cost as Entomb. I'm still tempted to send Maven to Oblivion, and I almost toke the Pale instead of Riften in the negotiations, but since I plan to fight the war for the Imperials, that would have been a bad deal for them.  

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