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  • Why did Voryn Dagoth choose to change his name specifically to Dagoth "Ur" upon his return?

    Why is the first structure of Nirn, Ada-Mantia, vessel of the divinities, also called Ur-Tower?

    Why are the daedric ruins associated to the Prince Molag in Morrowind called Bal Ur?

    Is there a hidden meaning to this syllable/word in these contexts? An association implied?

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    • Seeing as how the word "Ur" refers mainly to things of Elven quality, it would seem that the word is Aldmeris in origin. Knowing that the Direnni Tower was created by the Aedra to converse before enacting revenge on Lorkhan, it can be thought that the word "Ur" may or may not refer to things of divine origin. This might hint toward Voryn Dagoth's acheival of a god-like state through close proximity of the Heart of Lorkhan and Molag Bal's status as "The God of Schemes". From this we can garner the semi-likely possibility that "Ur" is a word meaning something along the lines of "divine" or "god-like".

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    • Ur in TES sort of means "the first" or "original", hence Ur-Tower (Adamantia) original tower, and Ur-Dra (Nocturnal) original Daedra.

      Dagoth Ur liked to think of himself as bigger piece of the universe than he really was, he gave himself the title Ur because he believed he was God.

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    • Yes, all of my initial guesses regarding this term were divided between "Holy/Divine", "First/Original/Primordial" and "Ancient". Or possibly a term that signifies a combination of all.

      I didnt know that other name for Nocturnal. Where did you find out about it? Pretty interesting. So is she known to have come before all other Princes? I had heard something about her being more of an aspect of the Void itself manifested in daedric form, rather than really a DP...

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      I didnt know that other name for Nocturnal. Where did you find out about it? Pretty interesting. So is she known to have come before all other Princes? I had heard something about her being more of an aspect of the Void itself manifested in daedric form, rather than really a DP...

      "Nocturnal is accorded the title Ur-dra by nearly all the Royalty of Oblivion. As the mother of night, she claims to be an aspect of the original Void itself, and it is generally deemed best to fortify this declaration in one’s evening prayers."

      -Imperial Census of Daedra Lords

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    • Ur is, as far as I know, a german word meaning something like "Proto" or "Original"

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    • Well Ur in danish means ancient.

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    • Ur is also a city-state from the Earth's first civilization, Mesopotamia.

      I have no idea what it means from the original language, but I noticed Asian-ish (perhaps 'mongoloid') inspired themes with Morrowind. The ancestor worship of the elves is reminiscent of that of the Ancient Indians, Chinese and Mongolians (obviously more though), and Vivec has quite a few resemblences to Krishna, and the Dwemer not only look like the Sumerians (with their robes, beards, spears and shields) but are heavily technologically advanced, which was the Sumerians/Mesopotamians 'downfall' as well.

      I suspect it has something to do with Mesopotamia, and wouldn't be surprised if it means first in their language as well. First civilization, new world, or something along those lines... Oh lyres of Ur

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      • fix* I wouldn't be surprised if the name Ur was inspired by something from Mesopotamia.
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    • So he's basically seeing he's the original dagoth, like the original slim shady

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