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  • The Mer are far more intelligent and supreme race than men anyone who wishes to disagree feel free to do so

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    • Well, yeah... You're right there...

      And the mer usually have a rich history and culture? But they have a much more specialized skill set? Unlike men who are... All round characters? Such as Nords, they are great warriors, and great poets as they are adept in speachcraft? Imperials, they had the great and powerful Talos to uphold, and the legion?

      But on the other hand, the Aldmeri Dominion... Though high elves ARE usually superior, being the most closely related to the Altmer, from which all elves are descended... They are also taller, have very complex armor and architecture designs? (comparatively) And they are naturally adept in the art of magic? But, the only part that lets them down? Is the fact that they are all in your face about it?

      Do I even have to mention how superior the Dwemer were?

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    • Yes yes true but it's not a boast its a fact it really is a fact the men neglect mer would be ruler if it wasn't for an emperor desperate for survival

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    • The mer CONSIDER themselves a far more intelligent and supreme race than men, and than they actually are. It's always been their main downfall.

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    • And ulfric calls it being a coward he would be dead if that treaty wasn't made and he calls the Thalmor racist I get that but every taylor is an elf not every elf a thalmor I hate the thalmor but I love the elves he's the one that's racist no other but the nords what kind of a king is that

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    • Well, he does arter all have hopes, after the civil war, of going to the Summerset Isles and take on the aldmeri dominion, and taking the war there?

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    • While Mer are generally superior to Man, at least in all things concerning magic, their arrogance has been their downfall many times and their underestimating of Man has allowed Humans to overwhelm Elves during many points in time and prosper all across Tamriel. The Elves do not realize that Man specialize in their own ways. For instance, Nordic craftsmanship has often been praised in terms of their weaponry and armour as being some of the best on Tamriel. Man has also been known for excelling in melee combat, having masterful skill with a blade, mace, and axe alike that could overwhelm and kill most other races. Man is also famous for their hardy constitution and resistance, allowing them to sustain large amounts of damage before falling, most notably the Nords, where frost magic is practically useless against them. Another specialty of Man is their ability to learn and use the Voice, after being taught how to do so by the Dragons. Finally, Man have been known to produce many Dragonborn in their time, most notably Tiber Septim. Man may not be magically attuned like Mer, have advanced technology like the Dwemer, or have long lifespans, but it's clear that Man have found their own unique specialties on Tamriel and have taken them to an extreme. If the Thalmor wish to prove Mer's superiority over Man, they should be weary of the Nordic people, for they will not go down without a fight, and unlike the Mer, Man have the power of the Voice, and it may very well be their saving grace, just like in the Dragon War all those years ago.

      As for what race I support, that would be the Bretons. Their mix of both Man and Mer gives the Bretons the unique advantages that both Human and Elf posess. They may not posess the full endurance and warlike capabilities of Nords, or be as magically attuned as Altmer, but nonetheless they benefit immeasurably as a hybrid race, being what I consider a perfect mix of Man and Mer and an all-round excellent race and as such being very flexible as well in terms of combat and their abilities.

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    • Mer are essentially arrogant. They believe themselves to be descendants of divines.

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    • I believe only Alter, and possibly Dunmer are arrogant. Most Bosmer and Orsimer don't really care about that.

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    • Purrington wrote:
      I believe only Alter, and possibly Dunmer are arrogant. Most Bosmer and Orsimer don't really care about that.

      I think you meant Altmer*.

      They believe they are descendants of the Aldmer(thus Aldmeri Dominion), who were descendants of "lesser" Aedra. For me, that is downright arrogance. Men have realized already that, as mortals, they were created within Mundus.

      There's no arguing here. Most altmer and some of other kinds of mer are elven supremacists that believe themselves to have the right to rule over men.

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    • Yes, I meant Altmer. I just said, most Altmer are arrogant, but I said that other kinds of mer like Wood Elves, Snow Elves, Orcs, don't possess such high opinions of themselves. At least, I don't think they do.

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    • Purrington wrote:
      Yes, I meant Altmer. I just said, most Altmer are arrogant, but I said that other kinds of mer like Wood Elves, Snow Elves, Orcs, don't possess such high opinions of themselves. At least, I don't think they do.

      It is not known what the Snow Elves thought about men. However, they do went to war against the Atmorans so I imagine they possess similar thoughts to those of Altmer.

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    • Really? Then why have every Shezarrine in history made elves their little bitch? Ayleids bowed down to Alessia or met the blade of Pelinal, Talos Stormcrown made the mighty altmer themselves bow before him and beg for mercy. Time and time again men and mer clashed and in the end men came out on top. The thalmor are having a brief reversal of fortune but they will be broken like the elves before them.

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    • No race is superior to another, although elves have greater magical affinity, humans have melee talent to match

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    • LDuka wrote:

      Purrington wrote:
      Yes, I meant Altmer. I just said, most Altmer are arrogant, but I said that other kinds of mer like Wood Elves, Snow Elves, Orcs, don't possess such high opinions of themselves. At least, I don't think they do.

      It is not known what the Snow Elves thought about men. However, they do went to war against the Atmorans so I imagine they possess similar thoughts to those of Altmer.

      There's no real solid proof behind the intentions of the Snow Elves, regarding their war with the Atmorans.

      It might've been because of the eye of Magnus. It might of been fear of the Atmoran population exceeding that of the Elves. Or it might have been just pure xenophobia. None of these steer towards the idea that the Snow Elves had arrogance to match most Altmer.

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    • While although mer are superior in magic and warcraft, in history, no mer has been granted favors from the gods that would amount to the power of the vestige or the dragonborn, which are suggested by Bethesda/Zenimax as Nord (or other races of men). The other factor with my belief that men are actually superior are that regardless of their more barbaric past, they hold honor, respect and humility above selfish arrogance, which the elves are....arrogant. If you wouldn't mind, I'd compare them to Alduin. Point being, mer (especially high elves) lack the self-control to know when they SHOULDN'T do what they could.

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    • Purrington wrote:

      LDuka wrote:

      Purrington wrote:
      Yes, I meant Altmer. I just said, most Altmer are arrogant, but I said that other kinds of mer like Wood Elves, Snow Elves, Orcs, don't possess such high opinions of themselves. At least, I don't think they do.
      It is not known what the Snow Elves thought about men. However, they do went to war against the Atmorans so I imagine they possess similar thoughts to those of Altmer.
      There's no real solid proof behind the intentions of the Snow Elves, regarding their war with the Nords.

      It might've been because of the eye of Magnus. It might of been fear of the Nord population exceeding that of the Elves. Or it might have been just pure xenophobia. None of these steer towards the idea that the Snow Elves had arrogance to match most Altmer.

      From what I've seen by the last Snow Elf in the Chantry of Auriel, the conflict between them and the nord seemed to be related to the Eye Of Magnus, which would make sense.

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    • Purrington wrote:

      LDuka wrote:

      Purrington wrote:
      Yes, I meant Altmer. I just said, most Altmer are arrogant, but I said that other kinds of mer like Wood Elves, Snow Elves, Orcs, don't possess such high opinions of themselves. At least, I don't think they do.
      It is not known what the Snow Elves thought about men. However, they do went to war against the Atmorans so I imagine they possess similar thoughts to those of Altmer.
      There's no real solid proof behind the intentions of the Snow Elves, regarding their war with the Nords.

      It might've been because of the eye of Magnus. It might of been fear of the Nord population exceeding that of the Elves. Or it might have been just pure xenophobia. None of these steer towards the idea that the Snow Elves had arrogance to match most Altmer.

      Please notice that Atmorans =/= Nords.

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    • LDuka wrote:
      Purrington wrote:

      LDuka wrote:


      Purrington wrote:
      Yes, I meant Altmer. I just said, most Altmer are arrogant, but I said that other kinds of mer like Wood Elves, Snow Elves, Orcs, don't possess such high opinions of themselves. At least, I don't think they do.
      It is not known what the Snow Elves thought about men. However, they do went to war against the Atmorans so I imagine they possess similar thoughts to those of Altmer.
      There's no real solid proof behind the intentions of the Snow Elves, regarding their war with the Nords.

      It might've been because of the eye of Magnus. It might of been fear of the Nord population exceeding that of the Elves. Or it might have been just pure xenophobia. None of these steer towards the idea that the Snow Elves had arrogance to match most Altmer.

      Please notice that Atmorans =/= Nords.

      Actually nords are directly descended from Atmorans. As a matter of fact, they are still considered Atmorans even among themselves. This is solidified when the Greybeards refer to Tiber Septim as Talos of Atmora, when you would think that being a Skyrim native, he would be considered "nord", further discrediting the idea that nords are seperate from Atmorans.

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    • Meh, the Atmorans are to the Nords, what the Aldmer are to the Altmer. Basically the predecessors of the many different races of elves and men, from which they branched off from, and separated.

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    • Liam Shooter Price wrote:

      Actually nords are directly descended from Atmorans. As a matter of fact, they are still considered Atmorans even among themselves. This is solidified when the Greybeards refer to Tiber Septim as Talos of Atmora, when you would think that being a Skyrim native, he would be considered "nord", further discrediting the idea that nords are seperate from Atmorans.

      Although there's no way to tell certainly, Talos is believed to be Atmoran, not Nord. Also, I don't remember seeing any Nord consider him/herself Atmoran. You don't call a dog a wolf just because its a descendant. As this guy:

      Purrington wrote:
      Meh, the Atmorans are to the Nords, what the Aldmer are to the Altmer. Basically the predecessors of the many different races of elves and men, from which they branched off from, and separated.

      said, Atmorans are to the Nords what Aldmer are to the Altmer.

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    • LDuka wrote:

      Liam Shooter Price wrote:

      Actually nords are directly descended from Atmorans. As a matter of fact, they are still considered Atmorans even among themselves. This is solidified when the Greybeards refer to Tiber Septim as Talos of Atmora, when you would think that being a Skyrim native, he would be considered "nord", further discrediting the idea that nords are seperate from Atmorans.

      Although there's no way to tell certainly, Talos is believed to be Atmoran, not Nord. Also, I don't remember seeing any Nord consider him/herself Atmoran. You don't call a dog a wolf just because its a descendant. As this guy:


      Purrington wrote:
      Meh, the Atmorans are to the Nords, what the Aldmer are to the Altmer. Basically the predecessors of the many different races of elves and men, from which they branched off from, and separated.
      said, Atmorans are to the Nords what Aldmer are to the Altmer.

      Nords are actually pure-blood Atmoran, but upon arriving in Skyrim, refashioned themselves as "nords". It could also be believed "nord" is simply what Atmoran natives refered to themselves as, much like Morrowind natives called themselves "dunmer".

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    • Liam Shooter Price wrote: Nords are actually pure-blood Atmoran, but upon arriving in Skyrim, refashioned themselves as "nords". It could also be believed "nord" is simply what Atmoran natives refered to themselves as, much like Morrowind natives called themselves "dunmer".

      Yes, they are pure-blood descendants of Atmorans. They aren't exactly identical.

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    • LDuka wrote:
      Liam Shooter Price wrote: Nords are actually pure-blood Atmoran, but upon arriving in Skyrim, refashioned themselves as "nords". It could also be believed "nord" is simply what Atmoran natives refered to themselves as, much like Morrowind natives called themselves "dunmer".
      Yes, they are pure-blood descendants of Atmorans. They aren't exactly identical.

      Again, it could also believe that among themselves in their homeland of Atmora, Atmorans called themselves nords.

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    • Technically speaking, Mer do have somewhat of a connection to the Aedra in terms of origins, though this is quite faint. In reality, all races can trace their existence and beginnings to that of the Divines and their creation of Nirn and Mundus as a whole.

      However, due to Mer's generally superior magical abilities, it is plausible to say that the Altmer have the strongest connection with the Divines, Magnus in particular, since they are known for Magicka as a whole.

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    • I dont know why there is so much discussion, the Argonians are the most superior race in all of aetherius.

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    • Sambos Chicken wrote: I dont know why there is so much discussion, the Argonians are the most superior race in all of aetherius.

      Only when they're high on Hist Sap. Without which, they're just the generic house lizard you see scurrying around in the grass.

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    • Actually for me not really they are the conservatives of Nirn with a desire for stasis and some stick to traditions that ultimately hinderes their progress in the ever changing Arena and others desire to ultimately return to the Dawn and undo Mundus which undo's all that was stiven to do when it was created in the first place and to me the goal they speak of that is stated to break the wheel kinda sounds like just bringing it back to begining which is the point of the kalpic cycle in the first place and they dont really have any plans to prevent history to repeat itself and we already know that past kalpas exist so.. yeah other Mer cultures while greatly much more adept in Magic and culture have very little drive in terms of ambition and really just keep to their own.

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    • I hope Atlmer rule Tamriel in the next Era. It would be a refreshing change of pace from EWMANS B DAH BESST

      Seriously. We've had every shade of human supremacy. It's time elves sat on the Ruby Throne.

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    • The elves had their time. They ruled for an entire era. I say it's time for one of the beast races to rule.

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    • We already know what its like if Altmer rule just take Morrowind change the aesthetic to generic Tolken architecture and have annoying condescension instead of the rabid xenophobia of the Dunmer. It will not be a refreshing change it will be a grating unpleasant experience with Elves trying to one up another while dismissing any other species like how the Eldar looks at Humans in the Warhammer 40K universe only this time their in charge.

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    • Humans = same damned thing we've seen everywhere else.

      Altmer = dystopian nightmare with probable technological and cultural breakthroughs.

      Bosmer = medieval hippie empire with cannibalism and moving trees.

      Dunmer = too busy, got better things to do.

      Orsimer = too solitary, too few.

      Khajiit = Kitty Empire with a skooma bottle for banners.

      Argonians = only logical non-human candidate, ruled by An-Xileel that (for all we know) could be the Thalmor with scales.

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    • CynicalEarth wrote:
      Humans = same damned thing we've seen everywhere else.

      Altmer = dystopian nightmare with probable technological and cultural breakthroughs.

      Bosmer = medieval hippie empire with cannibalism and moving trees.

      Dunmer = too busy, got better things to do.

      Orsimer = too solitary, too few.

      Khajiit = Kitty Empire with a skooma bottle for banners.

      Argonians = only logical non-human candidate, ruled by An-Xileel that (for all we know) could be the Thalmor with scales.

      Argonian could be OK if it weren't for the fact that they are actually created as a Hist eugenics experiment so you can only guess what happens if their in charge.

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    • How about we stop arguing about men VS mer and realize that Dwemer are obviously the highest race... that means I'm on the mer side 

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    • Wither10187 wrote:
      How about we stop arguing about men VS mer and realize that Dwemer are obviously the highest race... that means I'm on the mer side 

      They would if the implications of Numidium be just fanfiction other wise it would imply that they are all now the skin of the Brass tower and ultimately used as a toy by Tiber Septim in order to become a God or just erased from existence either way you got two things working against them but if you can ignore that then they would be good.

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    • By the Nine, this discusssion is still going on?

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    • It was on it's way back to the grave until you left another comment.

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