Where did Sithis, The Divine's and Daedra come from.Before they created Mundus?
Where did Sithis, The Divine's and Daedra come from.Before they created Mundus?
The Aedra can't become whole again because they are bound to Nirn, and because they are bound by the beliefs of mortals (mythopoeic forces). There are many, many different aspects of the Time Dragon Aka, many of which despise and conspire against each other, for the sole reason that there are many mortal cultures that believe in those different aspects. While perhaps not to the same extent as the Time God, each Aedra has different aspects that correlate to different cultures' beliefs. So it isn't appropriate to think of the Divines as singular entities like the Daedric Princes: due to mortal beliefs and the effect they have on non-Daedric deities, they have fractured into many, many, sometimes drastically different gods.
As for the afterlife, with the exception of Sovngarde (which was made by, and is presided over by Lorkhan), souls that have not been consigned to Oblivion for various reasons go instead to the Dreamsleeve, whereupon they experience whichever afterlife they believed in while they were mortal before being recycled. The nature of creation is cylic: each Kalpa begins and each Kalpa ends, with Alduin (yet another aspect of the Time Dragon) eating the world so that the new one may come into being. Souls are recycled and are reused after death.
So let say if The writers of TES Chose to make a fight between The Adra of Nirn and The Olympian Gods of Earth the Adra would basicly get there ass's kicked because they really have no power.
You guys make it complicated. I recommend The Annotated Anuad and Aedra and Daedra books - you will understand everything after reading them. When you explain TES lore, go with basics first, then go into things a'la Grey Maybe and CHIM.
Lorkhan was the one to trick the divines into creating Mundus. Later, when it was already too late, the Aedra, divines who participated, noticed that it costed them some of their power and they fled. The ones who didn't help are the Daedra. This also explains the fact Daedra have more influence on Nirn than Aedra. Also, the Aedra bring stasis and Daedra bring chaos.
The divines who didn't make it and got trapped in Mundus became the Earth Bones - they turned into the laws of nature (the Bosmer believe the god Y'ffre became laws of nature and was one of the first ones to die), into elements, into the basics of the world...
Sithis is above Aedra and Daedra, in a way. You will see in the books, he simply comes from Padomay and "gave birth" to Lorkhan. He is worshipped as the god of the Void and death, somehow.
actually men see him as that. since the fact men and mer can easily interbreed they're related somewhere down the line (the Ehlnofey mate) the Wanderers who were outside old Ehlnofex became the mortal races of men. those stayed in became Mer. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ehlnofey
It's pointless to get into arguments over "power levels" when considering Gods of completely different religions, let alone completely different universes. It's already an exercise in futility to try and compare, say, the Norse Gods to the Hindu Gods; trying to compare the Aedra to any real world religion is even more pointless considering Nirn is not Earth, and the way the universe works is entirely different.
Back on topic however, the Aedra do have "power": when considering Gods in The Elder Scrolls, however, power is very contextual and has limitations. It's not as simple as "he is stronger than him, but weaker than him". Just like the Daedric Princes the Aedric aspects have their spheres; however, while spheres to the Princes are more just their particular topics of interest and where they have the most influence, the Aedric aspects have much more control over and a closer relation to those concepts that form their spheres. For example, Aka, and by extension his aspects, are quite literally Time itself: thus, when temporal paradoxes occur, it "breaks the Dragon".
As for whether the Aedric aspects apply their influence on Nirn? They do. Frequently. Akatosh defeated the corporeal manifestation of Mehrunes Dagon and banished him back to Oblivion, Kyne taught mortals the use of the Thu'um, Pelinal Whitestrake and Morihaus Breath-of-Kyne were sent by both deities to aid Saint Alessia and mankind, all Aedric aspects provide their blessings to worshipers who pray at their shrines, they occasionally manifest on Nirn to aid Heroes... the list goes on. They don't make the entire world a paradise because they can't, and the extent to which they can apply their influence has its limitations. Don't forget, though, that the Daedric Princes can't do whatever they want on Nirn either: their ability to apply their power is perhaps just as limited. They can only be summoned on particular summoning days with the right offerings or under the right circumstances, they cannot manifest in full on Nirn (anymore at least, and incidentally because of Akatosh), they cannot directly influence events without mortal champions, etc.
I'm not trying to start an argument just trying to understand. i've read everything on this site and noting makes since. It's like is was made as it moved forward. So the Adra have power but not enough to use it. without acting through a mortal being of somekind.
Wait i thoguht Kenarath gave the gift of the thu'um to mortals. At least that's what the Graybeards said in Skiyrim. why is it differnt on here.
I fail to see how any of this has to do with what I said other than agreeing with me even though you made it sound like you were disagreeing with me.
Also, like 2 days ago I had a lengthy discussion with someone and I'm starting to lean towards LRKHAN AE DAEDROTH and TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH of the sense that Tamriel is OF Daedra and Daedra are OF Tamriel. Lorkhan needs Daedra in order for his plan to work. Without Tamriel Daedra wouldn't be a thing. Without Daedra Tamriel wouldn't be as it is. Daedra are the emotion of the Dream. Without them there is no creativity and CHIM and Nu-Amaranth can never be acheived. There's a lot more to it but that's the baseline.
This also folls into Mankar actually being right to a point and MAYBE (seriously maybe, I'm not 100% convinced of this yet) Magnus actually is the Leaper Demon King. It's a fun theory but I'm still personally struggling with it. Magnus is... hard to define, and this would give him definition.
Oops, wasn't signed in. ^^^ That was me.
I think the key here is that it is important to note that Sithis is like physics and math. Sithis is the Aurbical representation of Padomay who is the chaotic, irrational, emotional, id of Anu. Sithis isn't a being, but instead a force of the Aurbis akin to entropy. Lorkhan is the physical manifestation of Padomay WITHIN the Aurbis.
Also, another way to think of DAEDRA AE PAHOME is that they are the emotion of the Dream. If Padomay is the id of the univierse then this matches up.
I'll stop now. I'm getting into some much deeper stuff than is typical of this wiki.
Wait i thoguht Kenarath gave the gift of the thu'um to mortals. At least that's what the Graybeards said in Skiyrim. why is it differnt on here.
I'm not either, I'm just saying that you can't compare Gods of different religions in the real world because of contextual differences, and thus trying to compare Gods of real world religions to Gods in a fictional universe is even more pointless to discuss. You'll never come to a conclusion, and they're incomparable either way.
At any rate, the Aedra have power, but as with all deities in The Elder Scrolls, that power has limitations on how and under what circumstances it can be applied on Nirn. Having power doesn't mean as much if you can only use it every so often, and in certain amounts. But the Daedric Princes also have similar limitations. The main difference between the Aedric Aspects and the Daedric Princes is that the Aedric Aspects are subject to/shaped by the beliefs of mortals (mythopoeic forces) due to their link to Mundus, whereas the Daedra, having contributed nothing to creation, are not affected by mortal beliefs. While there are many aspects of the Aedra according to the mortal cultures that believe in them, there are 17 Daedric Princes. In this way, Kyne is not the same as Kynareth, and yet is part of the same Aedric Oversoul. Kyne is how Nords believe her to be just as Kynareth is how Imperials believe her to be, but due to the nature of mythopoeia, the very fact that mortals believe in her differently results in two different Aspects being created. Kyne (through Paarthurnax) taught mortals the Thu'um. Kynareth did not (and fairly, Kynareth did not exist at the time, as it wasn't until later that the modern Imperial Pantheon of the Divines came to be).
I think the key here is that it is important to note that Sithis is like physics and math. Sithis is the Aurbical representation of Padomay who is the chaotic, irrational, emotional, id of Anu. Sithis isn't a being, but instead a force of the Aurbis akin to entropy. Lorkhan is the physical manifestation of Padomay WITHIN the Aurbis.
Also, another way to think of DAEDRA AE PAHOME is that they are the emotion of the Dream. If Padomay is the id of the univierse then this matches up.
I'll stop now. I'm getting into some much deeper stuff than is typical of this wiki.
Personally, I think it's refreshing when people who know more about the deeper lore post here.