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  • Did Adhizal take control of Ralis during Unearthed, or did he just want to raise him.

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    • Adhizal assumed control of Ralis.

      Proven by final journal entries, supported by redundant mention of "invisible friends".

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    • But when you choose to kill him he says something about his master, I can't fully remember.

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    • He is lying. If you spare him he ask that you keep it quiet. and the way he acts show he is hiding something. if you kill him he will say his master will take control of us. now it could be a choosing thing where if you spare him hes inicent and if you kill him he's guilty. But personaly the way he kept asking to keep it quiet makes me believe he was lying. just listen to his dialoge and you will se what i mean.

      Either way I let him live and then I pickpocketed him for his pickaxe. then i used my calm spell to stop him from attacking.

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    • I don't think he was "lying." I think what it was is more akin to an indoctrination. Was he controlled? Not really. Was something pushing him towards reviving Azhidal? Yes.

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    • He Was being CONTROLLED, or something was forcing him to do it

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    • It glitched at the end, now he's moving around on the floor still moving & talking??

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    • I don't think he is actually lying. His journals do mention a contractor, so he is probably just an adventurer sent to retrieve the priceless relics from the barrow. They also mention invisible friends and whispers (later reckoned to be Ahzidal's single voice). So, I assume he wasn't actually being controlled, as he still presented himself normally, but as said above, he was subjected to some degree of indoctrination by the Dragon Priest. It's only natural if it sounds like he's hiding something... if I blacked out and woke up surrounded by bodies and with blood on my hands, I'd be pretty freaked out. That indoctrination is lifted when Ahzidal dies and Ralis returns to his natural state of mind, but it still shows some remnants, like when he explains the deaths with "It's what he wanted. He just needed their energy!'"' and battlecries with "I have his will on my side! He will command all of us!". In the end, the choice to kill or spare him is based on whether we think this will fade away entirely, but not because of actually being guilty of something.

      It's only my opinion though.

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    • He's definitely lying. When you tell him you're going to punish him he quickly tries to reason with you then realizes it's pointless and says something along the lines of "My master's power drives me!" in a way that makes it sound like he believes he can kill you with this power.

      I also killed him because I had a problem with him murdering like 30 people in coldblood for no reason. Even evil charcters should have been like "that's messed up bro." Also the fact that he was so easily controlled by a lesser dragon priests and the fact that I wasted like 10k for a word of power, a DP mask, and a weak black book power.

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    • Ahzidal is no lesser dragon priest; instead, he's one of the greatest nordic sorcerers of his time, so we can guess it wasnt so hard for him. (Note: Other dragon priests arent capable of enthralling, and probably none of them except Ahzidal while in the coma in the coffin) 

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    • No, he wasn't lying. If you see next to his tent, he keeps an updated set of journals and documents an "invisible friend" influencing him. That is likely the spirit of Ahzidal using Ralis to break free.

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    • I don't care if he was lying or not... The best way to deal with what he's done is letting him free and then give him as sacrifice in "boethiah's calling"... Don't forget to kill him using his axe!

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    • 61.5.59.0 wrote:
      I don't care if he was lying or not... The best way to deal with what he's done is letting him free and then give him as sacrifice in "boethiah's calling"... Don't forget to kill him using his axe!

      If you're going to betray and kill him, then don't use his axe, use the Ebony Blade.

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    • I said I'd keep it quiet but as he was walking away I pulled out my bow and put an arrow in his back, problem solved.

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    • If you read his journals in order.. It says he's done this before he got to solsthein. He's lying.

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    • 24.156.220.88 wrote:
      He is lying. If you spare him he ask that you keep it quiet. and the way he acts show he is hiding something. if you kill him he will say his master will take control of us. now it could be a choosing thing where if you spare him hes inicent and if you kill him he's guilty. But personaly the way he kept asking to keep it quiet makes me believe he was lying. just listen to his dialoge and you will se what i mean.

      Either way I let him live and then I pickpocketed him for his pickaxe. then i used my calm spell to stop him from attacking.

      dude, his "master" was azidal

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    • 23.115.203.201 wrote:
      24.156.220.88 wrote:
      He is lying. If you spare him he ask that you keep it quiet. and the way he acts show he is hiding something. if you kill him he will say his master will take control of us. now it could be a choosing thing where if you spare him hes inicent and if you kill him he's guilty. But personaly the way he kept asking to keep it quiet makes me believe he was lying. just listen to his dialoge and you will se what i mean.

      Either way I let him live and then I pickpocketed him for his pickaxe. then i used my calm spell to stop him from attacking.

      dude, his "master" was azidal

      also, if a bloodthirsty undead preist used you to release him from his tomb, would YOU want someone to tell? i didnt think so.

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    • I spared him and later he was in the Netch 

      when I killed Mogrul, Ralis helped me in the fight



      so I accept that he was possessed. 

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    • He is not lying. If you read his journal, you will notice a very interesting pattern:

      Vol 19: describes his intention and why he is at Kolbjorn Barrow

      Vol 20: mentions "friendly partner"(which refers to the Dragonborn)

      Vol 21: mentions "invisible friend"

      Vol 22: the title of "invisible friend" changes to "master", mentions he learned the structure of Kolbjorn Barrow as if he built it

      Vol 23: the title of "invisible friend" changes to "master" and "Lord Ahzidal", mentions blood sacrifice, and the tone of writting is different from the previous journal.



      So he is absolutely sober at first, but with digging more and more deep down to Kolbjorn Barrow, it gets him closer to Ahzidal or give Ahzidal more power to possess him. Ahzidal started to influence him before he sent you the second letter, and completely possessed Ralis after Dragonborn clear the barrow for the third time. At the time he sent the last letter, his mind is already not the same as you first met him.

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    • in my opinion he was not lying. By the way he's a great dual-wielding so killing him would be a waste

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    • I personally think he was lying. He defended Azhidal "He just wanted their energy", as if that somehow justifies slaughtering innocents.

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    • I think he was telling the truth. I think he had little control over his actions, especially near the end. At the end him saying Ahzidal just needed the miner’s energy does rub me the wrong way but he was enthralled for a decent amount of time and the enthrallment just kept getting stronger the deeper you got. It’s possible he was confused and still recovering from being enthralled and honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if his mind suffered some permanent damage. I never did like the Illusion school and this is partly why.

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    • Considering the fact that dragon priests invariably possess a maxed out Illusion @ level 100, it's not a stretch of the imagination in any case whatsoever to believe that Ahzydal DID possess Ralis with Master of the mind, but when slain the priest lost his mind control naturally. Although I'm not sure how Motm allows an undead to seize control of a living organism.


      Actually, Hevnoraak does the same to the men under his control doesn't he ;)


      Main point is, he was NOT at any point doing it of his own accord. 

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    • I absolutely loved the civilized conversation that was just struck. It definitely seems he is innocent, considering he was under control of the DP, and his journals definitely coincide with his expedition into the barrow

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    • If you choose to kill him he says "I have his will on my side! He will command all of us!" Even after you kill the DP and "free" him from his "possession". So he is clearly lying.

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    • The first time I have meet him, I though he finaly try to murder me to dead to claim the treasure. But no. He help me to get the DP mask and become follower later. That is more than enough to spare him a life.

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    • i really dont care if someone lying or not. i just didnt see any reason to dont *punish* him. a very cool pickaxe on his inventory is useless. he is a useless and unlovely follower compared to other followers such as Serana(even if you hate her unlike me, note she is essential and cant die). also he is a Dunmer... i hate dunmers. so i decided to kill him.

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