FANDOM


  • This is a review and reopening of the review on the bug policy and template.  The issue was first discussed by NOTATHALMORSPY on this thread here.

    While reading it, I noticed that TombRaiser listed a possible rewording of the bug template, that she felt would handle the issue at hand. I would like us to start the focus on that, and decide if the rewording recommended would settle the issue, or if something else should be done.

    The current template say's this:

    This section contains bugs related to <article name>. Before adding a bug to this list, consider the following:

    1. Confirm all bugs with other editors on the talk page before adding them below.
    2. Always try reloading an old save first, before asking for assistance.
    3. Do not discuss possible bug fixes or origins. Leave those and all other first-person-anecdotes on the talk page, not the article.
    4. Always add 360 , PS3 , or PC to clarify which system the bug appears on.

    THALMORSPY, as well as others, felt this was outdated and ignored. Tomb recommend this amendment.

    1. Before adding a bug try reloading an old save first.
    2. When adding a new bug, include the game-specific template Template:Unconf to denote that the bug needs to be verified by another user.
    3. Be descriptive when listing the bug and fixes, but avoid having conversations in the description and/or using first-person-anecdotes.
    4. [Unchanged]

    The only change needed to Tombs idea is that we will need to add XBO and PS4 to the list of consoles, but other then that I myself like it. Please state your thoughts, concerns, or questions below.

      Loading editor
    • I also agree with disbanding the old archaic bug reporting directions. We all know that talkpages, for the most part, don't get used (not referring to user tp's). If someone found a bug, they should be allowed to report it on the page and another editor can confirm it if they want to.

      Users contributions should not be unilaterally removed because of a policy that clearly doesn't work any more. Maybe back in the day it worked, but we know it doesn't any more. So any change to a better system has my support. :)

        Loading editor
    • Yeah, I like Tomb's amendment. I'm not a huge fan of the current policy about bugs, which is to have them removed if they aren't "confirmed," which is practically impossible to do anyway. A less strict system would work out better in my opinion.

        Loading editor
    • As I see it, we should just rename the bug templates. 360 should just become XBOX, PS3 should just become PSN, PC stays the same and MAC should be implemented. Reason being is that with ESO and most likely TES VI being released on newer consoles, it's a hassle to give them a seperate template, not to mention Morrowind being on the original Xbox. No game has appeared on two different generation consoles so far, it seems fair to combine the same series onto the same template.

      As I mentioned the MAC template earlier, I added it some time back. It's here because ESO is released on Macs and the next games will likely be too. When we get around to updating the bug templates, add the Mac one to the group.

        Loading editor
    • Not sure how I feel about your suggestion Rim. If a certain bug only pertains to the Xbox One, that may be important to know for both 360 and One users instead of it just saying Xbox. THat's just my two cents anyway.

        Loading editor
    • Strongly agree for the proposed change to the bugs template. Just building on Sajuuk and Atvelonis's comments, the term "confirmed bug" turned out to be very subjective rather than its original intention of being objective, and coupled with the lack of discussion on TPs, the policy is just very outdated and resulted in almost no bugs being allowed to be listed (kinda defeated the purpose...).
      I'm on the fence with Rim's suggestion- I agree with it but I also agree with Madman's comment above. I think that it might be much easier to implement Rim's idea though, and console users in general can just be aware that the bug may or may not occur for them (which is something you keep in mind anyway to be honest).

        Loading editor
    • Madman97 wrote: Not sure how I feel about your suggestion Rim. If a certain bug only pertains to the Xbox One, that may be important to know for both 360 and One users instead of it just saying Xbox. THat's just my two cents anyway.

      No game has been released on the 360 and the XBO, so if it says Xbox they'll know which console since each game has only been released on one certain generation of consoles.

        Loading editor
    • Well, you got me there. Just something to think about if two Elder Scrolls games do come out on the same console.

        Loading editor
    • Madman97 wrote: Well, you got me there. Just something to think about if two Elder Scrolls games do come out on the same console.

      This isnt confirmed, but I would be surprised if they DIDN'T announce Skyrim for Xbox One at E3. (Amongst all the things theyll be announcing)

        Loading editor
    • I hope they do it for the PS4 as well.

        Loading editor
    • So are we OK with the amendment? Or do we need more time to talk this over?

        Loading editor
    • I think we're in agreement :) Close away.

        Loading editor
    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      So are we OK with the amendment? Or do we need more time to talk this over?

      What will the amendment be? Change the PS3 and 360 templates to PSN and XBOX and add the Mac template?

        Loading editor
    • I agree on the template, also, I made templates for PS4 and XB one awhile back out of idle boredom, see here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:NOTATHALMORSPY/sandbox

        Loading editor
    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:

      Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      So are we OK with the amendment? Or do we need more time to talk this over?

      What will the amendment be? Change the PS3 and 360 templates to PSN and XBOX and add the Mac template?

      I would say yes. Also - I think we should review it later on if it does turn out that xbox and ps have multiple consoles with the same game. I.e. skyrim might have a bug in ps3 but not ps4, or alternatively, the other way around. (Lets face it - this is bethesda we're talking about here. They may not be UBISOFT, but they're pretty well known for bugs at launch).

        Loading editor
    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      So are we OK with the amendment? Or do we need more time to talk this over?
      What will the amendment be? Change the PS3 and 360 templates to PSN and XBOX and add the Mac template?

      I was referring to the change to the template and policy.  The templates for the other games is a different issue in my opinion. As Tim said, they may have different bugs, so we may need to instead add XB1 and PS4 instead of merging the PlayStation and Xbox games.

        Loading editor
    • Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      Cheatcodechamp wrote:
      So are we OK with the amendment? Or do we need more time to talk this over?
      What will the amendment be? Change the PS3 and 360 templates to PSN and XBOX and add the Mac template?
      I was referring to the change to the template and policy.  The templates for the other games is a different issue in my opinion. As Tim said, they may have different bugs, so we may need to instead add XB1 and PS4 instead of merging the PlayStation and Xbox games.

      I doubt that one game will be released on two or more generations of consoles. People would know that Xbox on Morrowind would refer to the original, on Skyrim refer to the 360 and on ESO refer to the Xbox One.

        Loading editor
    • Not past games per se. If another Elder Scrolls game, specifically number 6, came onto the scene during this generation of consoles--which is probable given that ESO and Skyrim were made by two different developers: Zenimax Online for ESO and Bethesda Game Studios for Skyrim, and work by Bethesda Game Studios could have already begun right after Skyrim was released, similiar to how it was when Fallout 3 was released and development for Skyrim began--this would grant the claim that two Elder Scrolls games on two consoles at the same time a warrant of authority. Given Fallout 3's date of release, 2008, and Skyrim's was 2011, making a gap of 3 years, it is not outlandish that a new game could be announced for 2015 or 2016 since it has been nearly four years since Skyrim's release.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
Give Kudos to this message
You've given this message Kudos!
See who gave Kudos to this message
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.