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    • Little bit of spoiler if you haven't finished College Of Winterhold Questline*

    When you speak with Psjic Monk (I don't remember his name)  you get a choice to talk about Thalmor.

    The Monk says that Thalmor is affraid of any, who are powerful and who aren't under their control.

    Well, Greybeards are powerful so are Thalmor affraid of them?

    Or are Greybeards part of the Thalmor :O))) DUN DUN DUUUUN!!

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    • The Greybeards are a secluded monastery of four old, not exactly battle-versed monks who strictly use their powers only to worship a goddess.

      I highly doubt they fear them. 

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    • Well who wouldnt be afraid of the Greybeards?? They wield Th'um and they are friends with a freaking dragon!!!

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    • Dovahkiin for real wrote:
      Well who wouldnt be afraid of the Greybeards?? They wield Th'um and they are friends with a freaking dragon!!!

      And a powerful one at that! Seriously, if the blades even tried to attack the Greybeards w/o the Dragonborn's help, they'd be torn apart, and thrown off the Throat of the World. Of course, the greybeards would likely try and avoid using their Thu'um unless they absolutely required it to save themselves/Parthuurnax.

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    • I do think the dragonborn would stand a chance but the blades would get torn apart

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    • 109.108 was asking about the Thalmor being afraid of the Greybeards not the Blades, if you want to discuss who would win between the Blades and Greybeards theres a thread here.

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    • They might not fear the Greybeards because of their restrictions, but they surely have to fear the Dragonborn, who has no restrictions!

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    • The Thalmor knows that the Greybeards would not use their power to fight unless it was extremely necessary. However, I think any mortal race in Tamriel fears/respect them, given that their mastery of the Thu'um is comparable to that of the Dragonborn. A bare whisper can almost create avalanches.

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    • I think they probably don't fear them, but they wouldn't trifle with them either. Just think about what happens to the Dragonborn if he approaches High Hrothgar as a dragon, the all come out, and next thing you know their body is halfway to Riften, so I definitely think the Thalmor would just keep their distance

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    • Considering they will rip you apart just for trying to pickpocket them, im fairy sure they would fight back against the Thalmor.

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    • The Greybeards won't use their power, so of course the Thalmor don't fear them.

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    • Blademaster Jauffre wrote:
      The Greybeards won't use their power, so of course the Thalmor don't fear them.

      If push came to shove, I think they'd use their thu'um

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    • DeletedContent wrote: If push came to shove, I think they'd use their thu'um

      Notice how they didn't come up the mountain when they knew you were going to fight Alduin? Notice how they aided neither side during the CW?

      All the Thalmor would have to do is cause an avalanche and kill off whoever brings supplies.

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    • Notice how they freeze breath you if you pickpocket them once and wreck your arse? Notice how fighting Alduin, the same creature that killed ancient dragon killing thuum users like they're nothing, might not be a good idea? You're comparing them to going on a suicide mission. The dragon born is a natural Dragon killer, they aren't. And why should they care about the C.W? It doesn't affect them does it now? And kill whoever brings the supplies? How about go get supplies themselves? Whirlwind sprint? Sorry @DeletedContent, but I don't see that scenario happening

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    • Sorry, wrong person said. @Blademaster

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    • Thalmor fear no one, not even the gods themselves.

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    • The Thalmor fear a lot of things. They're paranoid, it's what they do.

      Obviously, they don't ADMIT to being afraid. But they are. The Greybeards will use their Voice to defend themselves. Therefore,  anyone attacking them better have enough suckers in the back lines to shoot the Greybeards, because all their close-in fighters are gonna get icecubed, flash-frozen, crisped with open flames, drained, disarmed, and generally blasted around. Because Greybeards don't have Dragonborn-like limits on Shouting. They just shout. And shout. And shout.

      So since we've established that Greybeards will defend themselves, and know that they are ultra-deadly, the Thalmor fear them. They fear even more the power of the Greybeards to rally all of Skyrim. Every Nord respects, and, if it came to it, would obey the Greybeards.

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    • Dragon Shouts are overrated. It's a form of magic like any other, only difference being that it's projected through shouting, not through spell casting.

      Four old men and a withered Dragon, against the Aldmeri Dominion? Put two and two together, do you really think the Thalmor is going to collapse at the hands of a couple of sky-dwelling monks, even though the Altmer themselves are masters of magic?

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    • Wow you're a Thu'um downplayer aren't you? The Voice isn't simply another form of magic; it's an ancient powerful one. Whispering the. name "Dovahhkiin" would shake all of tamriel, what would a full on shout do? And don't bring up gameplay. Not to mention insane powers like soul Tear, or Elemental Fury where you cut through everyone like a buzz saw. I guarantee if you give me two steel swords and elemental fury, I could cut down two maybe three entire squads of thalmor easy.

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    • You could do that easily if you played on any difficulty below legendary.

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    • Many seem to forget that the Greybeards are one of the most powerful people around. Arngeir once mentioned that the other Greybeards wouldn't speak because a mere whisper would tear the Dragonborn apart. Arngeir himself is noted among one of the most powerful living beings on Nirn, simply because of the fact that he can talk to the Dragonborn without killing him/her, showing his complete mastery over the Voice.

      Anyone with a sane mind would be right to fear the Greybeards, even the Dragonborn him/herself. You must be thankful that the Greybeards are pacifist at nature.

      But, seeing as the Greybeards live in seclusion and rarely demonstrate their skill, most would think that they are harmless hermits.

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    • This talk of "A mere whisper could rip someone apart" is highly exaggerated. When the Greybeards do speak to the Dragonborn, such as when they greet them post-initiation, and the initation itself, it merely causes the ground to shake. It's not like they're going to topple entire armies by causing the earth to rumble.

      There is no doubting the power of the Greybeards, however to claim that they can decimate military forces such the Imperial Legion or the Aldmeri Dominion is just the sheerest folly.

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    • Purrington wrote:
      This talk of "A mere whisper could rip someone apart" is highly exaggerated. When the Greybeards do speak to the Dragonborn, such as when they greet them post-initiation, and the initation itself, it merely causes the ground to shake. It's not like they're going to topple entire armies by causing the earth to rumble.

      There is no doubting the power of the Greybeards, however to claim that they can decimate military forces such the Imperial Legion or the Aldmeri Dominion is just the sheerest folly.

      Perhaps not against a full attack, no. But against a small series of attacks, with the help of Paarthurnax and the Dragonborn they could probably hold on for a good while.

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    • Purrington wrote:
      This talk of "A mere whisper could rip someone apart" is highly exaggerated. When the Greybeards do speak to the Dragonborn, such as when they greet them post-initiation, and the initation itself, it merely causes the ground to shake. It's not like they're going to topple entire armies by causing the earth to rumble.

      There is no doubting the power of the Greybeards, however to claim that they can decimate military forces such the Imperial Legion or the Aldmeri Dominion is just the sheerest folly.

      Gameplay =/= lore.

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    • Blademaster Jauffre wrote:
      Purrington wrote:
      This talk of "A mere whisper could rip someone apart" is highly exaggerated. When the Greybeards do speak to the Dragonborn, such as when they greet them post-initiation, and the initation itself, it merely causes the ground to shake. It's not like they're going to topple entire armies by causing the earth to rumble.

      There is no doubting the power of the Greybeards, however to claim that they can decimate military forces such the Imperial Legion or the Aldmeri Dominion is just the sheerest folly.

      Gameplay =/= lore.

      What, you mean people in Tamriel can't suvive for years without eating/drinking/sleeping, freeze time while they look in their inventory, or ride horses up near-vertical cliffs? D:

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    • The Thalmor are not afraid of the Greybeards. They'll be wary of them but due to the wise pacifist nature of the Greybeards, the Thalmor will probably view them as someone they need to avoid in order to achieve their goals, once they achieve their goals they'll have nothing to fear.

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    • Purrington wrote:
      This talk of "A mere whisper could rip someone apart" is highly exaggerated. When the Greybeards do speak to the Dragonborn, such as when they greet them post-initiation, and the initation itself, it merely causes the ground to shake. It's not like they're going to topple entire armies by causing the earth to rumble.

      There is no doubting the power of the Greybeards, however to claim that they can decimate military forces such the Imperial Legion or the Aldmeri Dominion is just the sheerest folly.

      If one Greybeard can shake a whole mountain with a whisper what do you think all four of them and Paarthurnax can do? I think the Thalmor are mildly scared because the Greybeards would basically destroy their whole army (if need be). Lucky for the Thalmor the Greybeards are pacifistic old men who live in seclusion :p

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    • Dinodude666 wrote:

      Purrington wrote:
      This talk of "A mere whisper could rip someone apart" is highly exaggerated. When the Greybeards do speak to the Dragonborn, such as when they greet them post-initiation, and the initation itself, it merely causes the ground to shake. It's not like they're going to topple entire armies by causing the earth to rumble.

      There is no doubting the power of the Greybeards, however to claim that they can decimate military forces such the Imperial Legion or the Aldmeri Dominion is just the sheerest folly.

      If one Greybeard can shake a whole mountain with a whisper what do you think all four of them and Paarthurnax can do? I think the Thalmor are mildly scared because the Greybeards would basically destroy their whole army (if need be). Lucky for the Thalmor the Greybeards are pacifistic old men who live in seclusion :p

      Thuum is useless if you slit their throats and cut their vocal cords. Tiber Septim learned that the hard way. A bunch of old men who never entered a battlefield won't expect highly trained assassins slitting their throats in their sleep. Paarthuux may prove challenging but dragons can be killed like any other, as the Dragonborn knows. If the Dominion was smart, decimating the Grey Beards will be easy considering how small their numbers are.

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    • Strategically speaking the Greybeards are not in their priority list as long as the Greybeards continues to be hands off the mortal affairs of the outside world. They should come under the category of a neutral powerful force. Pretty impressive for a 5 man-cell sized team.

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    • ZhugeQuanqiang wrote: Strategically speaking the Greybeards are not in their priority list as long as the Greybeards continues to be hands off the mortal affairs of the outside world. They should come under the category of a neutral powerful force. Pretty impressive for a 5 man-cell sized team.

      Perhaps not in the early stages but in the late game, if the Dominion is believed to desire a consolidation of their influence over Skyrim, the Greybeards are a threat they cannot ignore. They can not only utilize the Thuum, a magical art of war known to turn the tides of war, but can also teach it to rebellious Nords. In history, they've propped up notorious unifying figures such as Wulfharth and Tiber Septim, a dangerous thing if the Thalmor's goal is to suppress subversives. Not to mention, if the tales of the Thalmor being cutthroat monsters are true, the lives of the Greybeard should mean nothing to them, neutral or not.

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    • Sports72Xtrm wrote:

      ZhugeQuanqiang wrote: Strategically speaking the Greybeards are not in their priority list as long as the Greybeards continues to be hands off the mortal affairs of the outside world. They should come under the category of a neutral powerful force. Pretty impressive for a 5 man-cell sized team.

      Perhaps not in the early stages but in the late game, if the Dominion is believed to desire a consolidation of their influence over Skyrim, the Greybeards are a threat they cannot ignore. They can not only utilize the Thuum, a magical art of war known to turn the tides of war, but can also teach it to rebellious Nords. In history, they've propped up notorious unifying figures such as Wulfharth and Tiber Septim, a dangerous thing if the Thalmor's goal is to suppress subversives. Not to mention, if the tales of the Thalmor being cutthroat monsters are true, the lives of the Greybeard should mean nothing to them, neutral or not.

      Neither Wulfharth nor Tiber Septim were "normal", they were specifically called up. The Thalmor could easily set up ambushes at the 7000 steps and wait for anybody to walk up, ambush them, and kill them.

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    • Sports72Xtrm wrote:

      Perhaps not in the early stages but in the late game, if the Dominion is believed to desire a consolidation of their influence over Skyrim, the Greybeards are a threat they cannot ignore. They can not only utilize the Thuum, a magical art of war known to turn the tides of war, but can also teach it to rebellious Nords. In history, they've propped up notorious unifying figures such as Wulfharth and Tiber Septim, a dangerous thing if the Thalmor's goal is to suppress subversives. Not to mention, if the tales of the Thalmor being cutthroat monsters are true, the lives of the Greybeard should mean nothing to them, neutral or not.

      Unfortunately, this is impossible to happen as it goes against the Greybeards' beliefs and thus regardless of the Empire or the Stormcloaks have to deal with their problems without the godly help of the enigmatic Greybeards.

      In the hypothetical scenario where the Greybeards were to attempt to help anyone. Regardless of Stormcloaks or Empire, the Thalmor can spend the rest of their miserable lives shitting in their pants in extreme fear. However, that is simply not going to happen.

      The lives of the Greybeards means nothing to the Thalmor not because they are the extreme evil you think they are but because the Thalmor don't need to kill the Greybeards who has not shown any signs of hostility to them. 

      I've mentioned it, the Greybeards are with almost a 98% probability to  be classified as a neutral faction that is NOT Worth the effort to kill as attempting to take them out will likely result in far worse casualties in the Thalmor than it is worth.

      Ulfric was called by the Greybeards to continue the Greybeards line of the Way of the Voice which is extreme pacifist practices of the Voice - Use Thu'um solely for worshiping god, warfare is a super big no no. 

      After Ulfric they are most likely even more cautious of whom they teach the Thu'um to. Dragonborn is the except to the rule because he is meant to kill Alduin. 

      Not to mention the fact that other than dragonborn, it takes many years for other people to learn a few shouts.

      Nope, they can become a serious threat, a legit one that is at least 100 times more dangerous than the current Empire with full might of Hammerfell, Skyrim, High Rock and Cyrodiil put together. However, there is a 0 chance for them to help. There is also an extremely low chance of the Thalmor to want to risk severe casualties and reprecussions from the entire Nord race just to kill a very very powerful Neutral party. The Thalmor are too smart, stop trying to lower the Thalmor's intelligence and capabilities to 0.01% to what they truly are at the Empire's level.

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    • Purrington wrote:
      Dragon Shouts are overrated. It's a form of magic like any other, only difference being that it's projected through shouting, not through spell casting.

      Four old men and a withered Dragon, against the Aldmeri Dominion? Put two and two together, do you really think the Thalmor is going to collapse at the hands of a couple of sky-dwelling monks, even though the Altmer themselves are masters of magic?

      I love how you treating your opinions about dragon shouts as facts.

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    • I don’t think they are afraid of them as they are, but def afraid of their potential. The greybeards have power as they are highly respected and revered as legend. There are only 4 but most don’t know that. Even our hero discovers it once he/she arrives at high hrothgar. The Thalmor crave power and dominion over all and if they end at odds with the greybeards, it may sway some favor of those that would follow them. It’s a very political move for the Thalmor to work as if the greybeards don’t exist and just left them alone. They wouldn’t gain favor as the greybeards create alliances based on the greater good, not the good of one race over another.

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    • Every single living being in Tamriel should fear the Greybeards. Because fear is, to an extent, respect. The Greybeards could shake the ground miles away and cause massive avalanches just by whispering, what an all-out shout could possibly do is incalculable.

      Yes, they are indeed mortals (very powerful ones) so assassination attemps i.e. while they sleep could possibly slay them down for good, BUT considering how they lived pretty much all their lives under absolute seclusion in High Hrothgar PLUS they have a Dragon up there, I doubt that even the most skilled Thalmor assassins could get there without being noticed, and once noticed they're pretty much done.

      Last but definetely not least, if you assume that the Thalmor's ultimate goal is to destroy/deactivate The Towers in order to disrupt Nirn and regain their immortality, they will inevitably have to deal with the Greybeards at some point since they literally live under one of the Towers (the Throat of The World).

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    • Pelinal Whitestrake wrote:
      The Greybeards are a secluded monastery of four old, not exactly battle-versed monks who strictly use their powers only to worship a goddess.

      I highly doubt they fear them. 



      The Thalmor are easily affraid of the Greybeards cause if you try to talk to Wulfgar, Borri or Einarth they simply whisper "Dovakhiin" and you hear rumbling and shaking, when they call you to high hrothgar everything shakes and they are masters of the way of the voice and well trained by Parthurnaax, an extremely ancient dragon and brother to Alduin aka the nordic god of destruction similar to Peryite the daedric prince who takes the form of a dragon and Akatosh the dragon god of time as well who chose the form of a dragon to fight the daedric prince of destruction, Mehrunes Dagon. So yes the Thalmor are affraid of the Greybeards and the nordic goddess kyne who is the goddess of the storm and warrior wife to Shor the nordic god of creation.

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    • 71.220.168.111 wrote:
      Purrington wrote:
      Dragon Shouts are overrated. It's a form of magic like any other, only difference being that it's projected through shouting, not through spell casting.

      Four old men and a withered Dragon, against the Aldmeri Dominion? Put two and two together, do you really think the Thalmor is going to collapse at the hands of a couple of sky-dwelling monks, even though the Altmer themselves are masters of magic?

      I love how you treating your opinions about dragon shouts as facts.

      Actually shouting is an ancient form of magic gifted from Akatosh and Kyne/Kynareth and was taken away because Jurgen Windcaller and his armies defeat at red mountain for the misuse of it and so he created the pacifist creed the "Way of the Voice" after seven years of pondering over the defeat. So no the Greybeards would actually annihilate the Thalmor and Altmer and possible wipe out there entire race being how Arngeir and Parthurnaax are the only ones who can speak normally while Wulfgar, Borri, and Einarth create mountains from just whispering in the dragon language ("Dovakhiin").

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    • Sports72Xtrm wrote:

      Dinodude666 wrote:

      Purrington wrote:
      This talk of "A mere whisper could rip someone apart" is highly exaggerated. When the Greybeards do speak to the Dragonborn, such as when they greet them post-initiation, and the initation itself, it merely causes the ground to shake. It's not like they're going to topple entire armies by causing the earth to rumble.

      There is no doubting the power of the Greybeards, however to claim that they can decimate military forces such the Imperial Legion or the Aldmeri Dominion is just the sheerest folly.

      If one Greybeard can shake a whole mountain with a whisper what do you think all four of them and Paarthurnax can do? I think the Thalmor are mildly scared because the Greybeards would basically destroy their whole army (if need be). Lucky for the Thalmor the Greybeards are pacifistic old men who live in seclusion :p
      Thuum is useless if you slit their throats and cut their vocal cords. Tiber Septim learned that the hard way. A bunch of old men who never entered a battlefield won't expect highly trained assassins slitting their throats in their sleep. Paarthuux may prove challenging but dragons can be killed like any other, as the Dragonborn knows. If the Dominion was smart, decimating the Grey Beards will be easy considering how small their numbers are.

      Actually Alduin could come and resurect his brother Parthurnaax and since the Thalmor aren't dragonborn they can't kill Parthurnaax completely not only that, the Greybeards would hear the Thalmor army coming up the mountain and coming through the doors cause of how loud it would be so yea good luck trying to kill the Greybeards, I tried and they kept freezing me so imagine what they could do to the Thalmor army.

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    • In skyrim angeir is lvl 150 right off the bat. meaning he is the most powerful thing existing in the game. try and fight him he will rip you apart. They are peacfull but they are feared. Hence the reason to host the summit at high hrothgar. All factin know they need to be respectfull to them. not one faction in the game has that honor but them. for all the armies of the world to attack them would be the the end period. peacfull doesnt mean they wont fight it means they wont initiate a attack. If they said hi to the thalmor they would die.

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    • With the help of paarthurnax or the dragonborn(which has two other dragons under his command), the thalmor might still fear them. The thalmor might not even know what the greybeards are capable of. But if the thalmor managed to conquer skyrim, will they still care about capturing high hrothgar? Plus the greybeards will not rebel as they believe the thu’um is only used to worship kynareth.

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