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  • Is anything known where the honorless dead go, when they die? Can't be the Soul Cairn as far as I'm concerned, because those poeple in there were just unlucky to get trapped in a soulgem.

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    • Well, I don't know if there's actually a "hell" in The Elder Scrolls world, but considering the many planes of Oblivion, and also the Void, I would think that one of those places might be considered a "hell." This is also what Galmar essentially says to Ulfric, "I'd follow you to the corners of Oblivion, you know that" which is essentially like the saying here, "I'd follow you to hell and back."

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    • Just Oblivion. 

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    • I mean, I'd say oblivion.

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    • For all we know, Sovngarde could even be both Heaven and Hell. Although I would say that if there was a separate Hell, then Oblivion would probably be it.

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    • To my mind, the religions in Tamriel are more closely related to our pagan religions of antiquity (Greco-Roman and Germano-Norse, to be specific) rather than Abrahamic/Zoroastrian religions.

      This is especially true in how the afterlives are set up, how the various gods interact with the mortal world, and the prevalance of champions sired/blessed by gods.

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    • Oblivion and the soul cairn may be dystopias, but they have purposes other than the opposite of sovngarde. Oblivion is for daedra and cultists, while the soul cairn is for trapped souls. Those who are unfit for any afterlife get reincarnated

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    • Well, I suppose that if a Nord didn't want to go to Sovngarde, like he wanted to go to Nocturnal's realm because he/she worshipped her, then I think in the mind of that Nord that Sovngarde would be considered hell.

      However, since most Nords love the idea of going to Sovngarde after death, most of this is a non-issue.

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    • SU-KP-2711 wrote:
      =If Sovngarde is the nords heaven, what ist the nords hell?=


      Thats christian mythology, Asgard or Valhalla had no equivalent to hell.

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    • Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

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    • Lorkarr wrote: Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

      The Hell to any race is likely seen as the Deadlands. PS: Lorkarr, there are different planes you go to in Oblivion. Take The Shivering Isles for example.

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    • The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote: Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

      Lorkarr, there are different planes you go to in Oblivion. Take The Shivering Isles for example.

      I know, i was refering to the realm you go into in the main storyline of oblivion, i wasn't including DLC.

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    • Lorkarr wrote:

      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote: Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

      Lorkarr, there are different planes you go to in Oblivion. Take The Shivering Isles for example.

      I know, i was refering to the realm you go into in the main storyline of oblivion, i wasn't including DLC.

      You go into different realms in the main game as well.

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    • The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote:

      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote: Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

      Lorkarr, there are different planes you go to in Oblivion. Take The Shivering Isles for example.
      I know, i was refering to the realm you go into in the main storyline of oblivion, i wasn't including DLC.
      You go into different realms in the main game as well.

      Paradise is not a part of oblivion.

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    • Lorkarr wrote:

      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote:

      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote: Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

      Lorkarr, there are different planes you go to in Oblivion. Take The Shivering Isles for example.
      I know, i was refering to the realm you go into in the main storyline of oblivion, i wasn't including DLC.
      You go into different realms in the main game as well.

      Paradise is not a part of oblivion.

      First off, it is. Second off, I was meaning Peryite's realm, Pretty sure You went to Meridia's as well.

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    • The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote:

      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote:


      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote: Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

      Lorkarr, there are different planes you go to in Oblivion. Take The Shivering Isles for example.
      I know, i was refering to the realm you go into in the main storyline of oblivion, i wasn't including DLC.
      You go into different realms in the main game as well.
      Paradise is not a part of oblivion.
      First off, it is. Second off, I was meaning Peryite's realm, Pretty sure You went to Meridia's as well.

      you make me wana commit mass genocide against pandas...

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    • The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote:

      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote:


      The Aspect Of Akatosh wrote:

      Lorkarr wrote: Oblivion is a whole universe of 17 different realms, 16 realms for each deadric princes, 1 realmm for the ideal masters. yes the soul cairn is a part of oblivion. in Elder Scrolls Oblivion that realm of oblivion you go into belongs to the deadric prince Mehrunes Dagon.

      Lorkarr, there are different planes you go to in Oblivion. Take The Shivering Isles for example.
      I know, i was refering to the realm you go into in the main storyline of oblivion, i wasn't including DLC.
      You go into different realms in the main game as well.
      Paradise is not a part of oblivion.
      First off, it is. Second off, I was meaning Peryite's realm, Pretty sure You went to Meridia's as well.

      look i don't know shit about oblivion, all i did was blow through the main storyline. i just started the shivering isles DLC.

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    • I would assume Nord Hell is countless Elves prancing about, and nothing to drink but milk.

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    • Draevan13 wrote:
      I would assume Nord Hell is countless Elves prancing about, and nothing to drink but milk.

      xD

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    • The College of Winterhold?

      No, seriously though. I think Sovngarde is not their all encompassing "heaven" (like Christian heaven, where pretty much everyone ends up, unless you've been really naughty). Sovngarde is for the "creme de la creme" and even there exists another superior goal, namely to best Tsun in battle and be allowed access to Shor's Hall. 

      As for their hell, I suppose it's simply the Void. I think all Nords who haven't done anything heroic are sent to the Void - or so their belief goes. Daedra worshipers will most likely end up on a plane of Oblivion, if the Daedric Prince in question wishes to have him/her there. 

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    • The Nord race in based largely off of Norse culture, with Sovangarde being Valhalla. So find the equivalent to Helheim. Which, I guess would be a realm of Oblivion.

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    • Perhaps the Hell could be the real world/Nirn. Wars plague the lands, famines and diseases.

      I dunno, just a theory.

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    • 5.67.2.211 wrote:
      SU-KP-2711 wrote:
      =If Sovngarde is the nords heaven, what ist the nords hell?=

      Thats christian mythology, Asgard or Valhalla had no equivalent to hell.

      Except, you know, Hel.

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    • Araanim wrote:
      5.67.2.211 wrote:
      SU-KP-2711 wrote:
      =If Sovngarde is the nords heaven, what ist the nords hell?=
       

      Thats christian mythology, Asgard or Valhalla had no equivalent to hell.

      Except, you know, Hel.

      Thank you! Hell comes from Hel, which was the ruled by Hela Lokisdottir in the Germanic Pagan traditions. Because the English were Germanic pagans before Christians, we use Hell instead of Hades. Fun fact: in early Hebrew tradtions, there was only Sheol. We don't really know or understand what the beliefs around Sheol were. But what we do know is that it was not generally thought of as anything like Heaven or Hell. Likely, just a dream sleep. Early Hebrews believed in reincarnation. The soul of the ancestor you named a child after inhabited their body. Hence why in the New Testament it was such a dubious event that Zechariah and Elizabeth named John the Baptist 'John' (Hebrew 'Yochanan'), a name that was not in his family (Luke 1:60-61).

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    • I would say that they wouldn't go anywhere. Their soul will just simply cease to exist, which is what many people are afraid of today. That's just my theory.

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    • If you complete the Dark Brotherhood questline before you get there, it's one of the options you get to demand entrance.  So I think anyone can get in, you just need to be good at what you do, and not be a werewolf.  Honestly, I think the Skyrim version of hell is just the devs deciding that particular charachter had peaked, and not writing anymore story for them.  

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    • Nord hell? They're experiencing it right now, in Fourth Era war-torn Skyrim.

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    • Hircine's Hunting Grounds? Well for any Nords afflicted by Lycanthropy.

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    • 5.67.2.211 wrote:
      SU-KP-2711 wrote:
      =If Sovngarde is the nords heaven, what ist the nords hell?=

      Thats christian mythology, Asgard or Valhalla had no equivalent to hell.

      ...Yes they did.. It's Helheimr. Ruled by the Goddess Hel. Helheimr is the home of the dishonourable dead.

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    • I would say Oblivion or the void. Sithis in the void would be like Lucifer, and I'm not sure if there is an overlord of Oblivion to be like Lucifer.

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    • 95.34.164.185 wrote:
      5.67.2.211 wrote:
      SU-KP-2711 wrote:
      =If Sovngarde is the nords heaven, what ist the nords hell?=
       

      Thats christian mythology, Asgard or Valhalla had no equivalent to hell.

      ...Yes they did.. It's Helheimr. Ruled by the Goddess Hel. Helheimr is the home of the dishonourable dead.

      Yes, but Helheim wasn't particularly hellish. It was just not as awesome as Party Town in Asgard. The real closest thing is Niflheim, where murderers and such ended up in a constant chilly wasteland.

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