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  • So as we all know, Vivec achieved CHIM after ascending to godhood as a member of the Tribunal with the use of the Heart of Lorkhan. My question is, what is Vivec able to do with the power he gained with the Heart and CHIM together? I mean, he suspended a meteor on top of his city, but was he able to do that thanks to the Heart or CHIM? What are the powers brought by CHIM except willing for something to happen (Talos destroying jungles) and what powers do the Heart provide? I'm really clueless

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    • He suspended the Ministry of Truth with CHIM. CHIM means royality in Ehlnofex. It can only be used to do things through Love. Vivec loves his people, so he prevented the Ministry from crashing. Talos loved his Red Legions, so he changed Cyrodiil's landscape into a temperate grassland.

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    • As I understand it, when you achieve CHIM, you can basically do whatever you want, you can change everything. The whole universe is at your disposal actually. You are not bound to the Godhead anymore. You know you are fictional character, that you don't actually exist, but you still have your individuality, your "I", like any other mortal or immortal being. That's how I understand CHIM, but there is still a lot we don't know about it.

      As for godhood, you are way less powerful. The Gods and immortal beings cannot even walk on Mundus after the Oblivion Crisis. The Gates of Oblivion are sealed forever. You can still talk and guide through visions your followers, but not much else. I'm only talking about how it seems to mortals. What Gods and other immortal beings can do in their own plane, is unknown.

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    • CHIM allows you to alter Mundus, and sets you above Aedra, and Daedra, as they cannot gain CHIM, For they are not mortal. CHIM allows you to alter everything, and anything.

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    • What if... What if we have achieved CHIM?

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    • Are you saying that if vivec has CHIM he could have erased all of TES universes problems but he didn't? -Goes to grab a nuse-

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    • Prince of Pacts wrote:
      He suspended the Ministry of Truth with CHIM. CHIM means royality in Ehlnofex. It can only be used to do things through Love. Vivec loves his people, so he prevented the Ministry from crashing. Talos loved his Red Legions, so he changed Cyrodiil's landscape into a temperate grassland.

      Not necessarily; Lie Rock fell following the connection to the Heart being severed by the Nerevarine, which makes me think that it has something to do with the abilities granted by a connection to the Heart, rather than CHIM, which Vivec never loses. 

      PLaat Dovahkiin wrote:
      As I understand it, when you achieve CHIM, you can basically do whatever you want, you can change everything. The whole universe is at your disposal actually. You are not bound to the Godhead anymore. You know you are fictional character, that you don't actually exist, but you still have your individuality, your "I", like any other mortal or immortal being. That's how I understand CHIM, but there is still a lot we don't know about it.

      I'm not convinced that CHIM is "do whatever you want", it's "do what thou wilt", in the sense that Crowley used it - that is, do whatever you would do, without thought for the end result. Is it good? Is it bad? Is it nothing at all? Doesn't matter, you would do it anyway. Those things are a person's Will. Crowley also talks about Love, which he defines as actions done while acting in accordance with someone's Will. So while you can (possibly) do anything, you won't actually do anything but what you would do regardless of circumstances, or any outside influence at all.

      Rottendeadite made a fantastic post about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/18gt8w/what_is_love/

      To the OP, the only things I would definitely put down to Vivec's use of CHIM was the rewriting of his own history, so that he was always a god. Another thing that it appears that CHIM cannot do however is provide immortality - Tiber Septim did not become an immortal walking-talking being, so Vivec's immortality on that score was almost certainly the Heart. Anything else is too tangled with both the Heart and CHIM on the table to get a clear answer.

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    • Vivec ceased to hold up the Ministry of Truth because of the rise of the Reclamations and the end of the Worship of the "False Tribunal". The stipulation for Vivec preventing Baar Dau from plummeting to the surface of Nirn was that Vivec would hold it up as long as the Dunmer people loved him, as his action was one of love. 

      CHIM, at its most basic, does technically allow one do anything within the Aurbis, such as prevent a meteor from crashing,  change the landcape of an entire region, or kill a Daedric Prince's manifestation on Nirn, it always carries the risk of waking the Godhead, which is why it is used so sparingly.

      Vivec's ability to rewrite his own history as to have been born a god is due to him taking advantage of the Dragon Break which occured at the Battle of Red Mountain, which surrounds the events of the Disappearance of the Dwemer and the Godhood of the Tribunal. Because a Dragon Break encompasses a period of nonlinear time, any account on the events during a Dragon Break are as valid as another, meaning Vivec's account recorded in the 36 Sermons is as true as what we are led to believe had happened.

      As for CHIM and immortality, the answer isn't really clear. The only Two individuals known to have achieved CHIM both gained a form of immortality, Vivec by using The Heart of Lorkhan, and Tiber Septim by mantling Lorkhan, which could be connected to the fact that Lorkhan was the first being to attempt CHIM, and the only one to have intentionally failed to achieve it.

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    • Volyn Sul wrote:

      CHIM, at its most basic, does technically allow one do anything within the Aurbis, such as prevent a meteor from crashing,  change the landcape of an entire region, or kill a Daedric Prince's manifestation on Nirn, it always carries the risk of waking the Godhead, which is why it is used so sparingly.


      That point depends on exactly how much of Kirkbride's cosmology Bethesda decide to officially adopt. So far, there's no blatant acknowledgement that the Dreamer exists through in-game writings or conversations. It may; it may not.

      The closest we get is a book explaining how Alteration-mages operate from the stance that reality is not real, and is all just a creation of some unknown being or beings. Could be the Divines; could be the Daedra; could be anything. Ultimately, the book states that it really just doesn't matter; the important take away is that reality can be mucked about with.

      That said; yes. CHIM essentially gives an individual power over the whole of creation. If Bethesda chooses to run with the Dreamer concept, then again yes. Abuse of one's CHIM-given powers could destroy all of creation.

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