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  • If Vivec has CHIM, probably one of the most powerful states in the Aurbus, why was he so weak throughout Morrowind? I suppose he was relatively strong, but not as strong as I thought CHIM was.

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    • I always though Vivec had one of the most powerful states of CHIM of the Tribunal, and that it was only after they were unable to access the Heart of Lorkhan that they starting losing their power, hence why Vivec because weaker.

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    • CHIM means Royalty. It can only be achieved if you love yourself enough so you don't zero-sum. Achievers of CHIM can only utilize the ability through Love. See Talos and the Red Legions.

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    • Vivec achived CHIM through his marriage to the Prince of Domination, Molag Bal, not through the Tribunals tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan. The Sotha Sil's tampering with the heart made ALMSIVI into living gods, and is independent of Vivec's CHIM. The lack of access to the Heart of Lorkhan and the Nerevarine's use of Keening has since separated the Tribunal from its power, and thus the Tribunal lost some of their power. 

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    • Legate Tallhart wrote:
      Vivec achived CHIM through his marriage to the Prince of Domination, Molag Bal, not through the Tribunals tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan. The Sotha Sil's tampering with the heart made ALMSIVI into living gods, and is independent of Vivec's CHIM. The lack of access to the Heart of Lorkhan and the Nerevarine's use of Keening has since separated the Tribunal from its power, and thus the Tribunal lost some of their power. 

      When we used Kagrenic Tools on The Heart of Lorkhan, it made the ALMSIVI mortal. . . yet Vivec had CHIM, making him one of the most powerful beings in TES. Wouldn't Vivec's godhood be nothing compared to his CHIM?

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    • In achieving CHIM, you have to stay focused literally 24/7 and, on top of that, he was left to hold up the Ghostfence by himself because Almalexia wanted to plot to kill the Nerevarine instead and Sotha Sil was too invested in his gears. So, he has to use his CHIM to hold up a barrier that holds back a mad god as well as keep focusing on not zero-summing. The Heart was used to give the other two godhood and rewrite history so they were always gods

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    • Vivec is smart, he chooses not to use CHIM too much. CHIM by definition is total manipulation of the aurbis. How do you achieve CHIM? Realizing the aurbis is pointless and you’re simply a figment of imagination in the godhead+having the arrogance to stay individual. Vivec knows the world is pointless, he wouldn’t want to have everything go his way because it would be rather boring. Vivec is the spectator, he watches and is entertained by non-CHIMsters.

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    • so lets say, achiving CHIM is more powerful than a Daedric prince?

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    • I would sya the level of stength flows like this: Mortals> Aedra bound to Mundus> Deadra> Aedra who left without being bound to Mundus> CHIM> and "states beyond CHIM" which Lorkhan is said to be/was attempting to help other spirits achieve.

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    • 128.138.64.252 wrote:
      I would sya the level of stength flows like this: Mortals> Aedra bound to Mundus> Deadra> Aedra who left without being bound to Mundus> CHIM> and "states beyond CHIM" which Lorkhan is said to be/was attempting to help other spirits achieve.

      That's basically right, but Daedra ARE (mostly) et'Ada who left without being bound to Mundus. What you're thinking of are the Magna-Ge who are et'Ada who started giving their power to create Mundus, and then fled back to Aetherius when they felt their power draining. So, the Magna-Ge are stronger than the Aedra, but weaker than Daedra.

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    • As for the issue of Vivec being so weak, I think it was a combination of knowing not to intervene with the Nerevarine, since he knows he'll never be able to beat him, since he can just reload over and over again, since every player character is also CHIM, along with his power being drained by the in-game events.

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    • Wow, use of console cheats is just using CHIM. Time to play Morrowind as an enlightened being?

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    • 87.92.19.124 wrote: Wow, use of console cheats is just using CHIM. Time to play Morrowind as an enlightened being?

      As far as I'm concerned you can't reshape the entire in-game world using console commands.

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    • So Total Chim would be Modding and using Mods.

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    • Absolutely.

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    • Legate Tallhart wrote: Vivec achived CHIM through his marriage to the Prince of Domination, Molag Bal, not through the Tribunals tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan. The Sotha Sil's tampering with the heart made ALMSIVI into living gods, and is independent of Vivec's CHIM. The lack of access to the Heart of Lorkhan and the Nerevarine's use of Keening has since separated the Tribunal from its power, and thus the Tribunal lost some of their power. 

      You can MARRY a Daedric Prince?! And why would Vivec choose Molag Bal? Molag Bal continuously rapes women.

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    • CatholicPrincess15 wrote:

      Legate Tallhart wrote: Vivec achived CHIM through his marriage to the Prince of Domination, Molag Bal, not through the Tribunals tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan. The Sotha Sil's tampering with the heart made ALMSIVI into living gods, and is independent of Vivec's CHIM. The lack of access to the Heart of Lorkhan and the Nerevarine's use of Keening has since separated the Tribunal from its power, and thus the Tribunal lost some of their power. 

      You can MARRY a Daedric Prince?! And why would Vivec choose Molag Bal? Molag Bal continuously rapes women.

      Marriage isn't used in a literal sense. And Vivec chose Molag Bal purely for the knowledge that he would obtain fron their 'marriage'.

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    • So what was this marriage like?

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    • From what I've heard, Molag Bal and Vivec had sex for 80 days and 80 nights and Vivec was headless during the hole ordeal. And apparently they had children, which Vivec slew with his spear, which is also supposed to be his male sexual appendage.

      It sounds ridiculous, I know. I don't even know if his sermons are all factual, or if he just wrote it while high.

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    • Did Molag Bal appear as a woman or something? Because they're both usually portrayed as masculine, and to have biological kids . . .?

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    • Chances are Molag was the man in this relationship, and remember that Vivec was a hermaphrodite, so he prob does exhibit female sex organs.

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    • He was?! I didn't know that!

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    • Also, this is Elder Scrolls which is filled with magic. I'm pretty sure a literal god can mate with anything and make babies, if that was it's intention. Getting hung up on biology or cultural norms in these instances are silly. 

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    • @Catholic Princess15

      That's also why Vivec is inspired by Mephala, because Mephala doesn't like to take on exclusively male or female forms (which is why Mephala is nicknamed the 'Androgyne' according to Varieties of Faith in the Empire).

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