So I have noticed on all wiki's and on the TESLore Reddit that the lore surrounding Magnus, the god of magic, is relatively small. So I hope this discussion can be used to discuss the lore surrounding Magnus. I know that there isn't much information about Magnus but we can always speculate. This discussion will also include discussion about the lore of the Eye of Magnus.
Eye of Magnus: Here is my belief on the Eye of Magnus. Since Magnus was the architect of Mundus, I believe that the Eye of Magnus is the blueprints of Mundus. That's why when Ancano is using the Eye of Magnus he says "The power to unravel the world at my fingertips! " If the Eye of Magnus were the blueprints of Mundus, then Ancano's line of speech would make a lot of sense.
Also, I personally believe Magnus should be a lot more revered than is. Just because he rarely interacts with Nirn anymore does not mean that he should not mean revered. I mean he did create the blueprints of Mundus and the giant hole he tore in Oblivion to get to Aetherius, the sun of Mundus, is where the Magicka of Aetherius leaks into Mundus, which is how all mage's use magic.
Please continue this if you can cause that would be low-key awesome for my first post. If you are a hater I won't be surprised because I am a newbie. Peace.
Great discussion idea, I think. Magnus isn't touched on enough considering his influence on the beginning of Mundus.
Your Eye of Magnus idea is good, especially given the fact there are diagrams, shapes, and lettering all around it.
I don't agree with Magnus framing Lorkhan simply because of Magnus' need for immediate fleeing. I feel if he framed Lorkhan, an architect of a mortal world would of premeditated the abandonment part far more efficiently.
Lots of people think Magnus and the Magna Ge are responsible for the Elder Scrolls, so Magnus isn't just sitting in Aetherius doing nothing. He's drawing up new plans and observing Mundus even now.
The elves revere Magnus very much. He's more important to them than any number of the "Divines" the races of man worship. The High Elves especially venerate him. It's just that because most of The Elder Scrolls games are set in man-controlled areas and focus upon the Imperial pantheon (with the very noteable exception of Morrowind) Magnus tends to get ignored. Mankind doesn't really care much about him in general, honestly, except to the extent it wants to control his artifacts. The Bretons are the only men who include him in their pantheon.
Unfortunately because Elder Scrolls VI looks to be set in Hammerfell I doubt we're going to get much more information about Magnus. The Redguards traditionally don't even regard him as an entity in their pantheon much less worship him. :p
The mer races other than the Dark Elves are severely underrated, though not as much as the beastfolk. The non-man races are treated even more poorly in most fantasy series (Tokien's works being a noteable exception) because people tend to be frustratingly homocentric and love to have non-humans be bad guys rather than try to see the world through their eyes. So at least elves are treated better in the Elder Scrolls, but since the introduction of the Thalmor good luck trying to convince anyone the High Elves are an interesting civilization worth exploring these days or that they may have the right idea. A lot of people in the fandom even seem oddly racist towards elves, even though they don't even exist in our real world. It does creep me out a lot.
Well the Mnemoli of the Magna-Age are stated to collect the “songs” or “music” of Nirn to write the Elder Scrolls. But as far as Magnus, I think the theory that when he left Mundus so abruptly it destroyed him. The majority of his body became the endless magicka that mages use. However the holes that are the Sun and Stars also releases magicka to Nirn. My theory is that in Dawnguard if you block out the sun, Magic still works and is replenished. Maybe just game mechanics. But if the Sun is how magic comes into Nirn than blocking it, would stop magic right?
But doesn’t the Khajiit under a different name worship Magnus as the Cat’s Eye? But maybe the Eye of Magnus is the last part of him that can produce magicka. It would be godly and unique. It could have been made by the other Et’Ada to contain the last piece of himself. Maybe a plan to recreate Magnus by having a mage absorb so much power from the Eye with the Staff, to undo Nirn and restore the gods? After all Magnus did make the plans to make Nirn, Lorkhan simply have the idea.
As far as why magic still works after the sun is blocked off, it could be because Nirn has already received tons of energy from the sun and the sun doesn't stay blocked out. To analogize Nirn to a solar battery, Nirn may still have plenty of charge even if the sun is blocked by clouds for one day. If the sun stayed blocked out, most kinds of magic would cease to work over time, but it wouldn't necessarily happen immediately.
As for our favorite godly architect, I like to think that Magnus is still alive in Aetherius and designing amazing new projects mortals can hardly conceive of. For example, according to 'Magne-Ge Pantheon', back when Meridia was in Aetherius the Magne-Ge had to struggle against an unknown entity known as the "Chrome Device" that Meridia was crucial in helping to defeat. Was the Chrome Device a rogue invention of Magnus? Maybe. Who's to say that Nirn was even the last plane Magnus helped design? Maybe there's a Mundus 2.0 somewhere up in Aetherius, similar to the Mundus we know but closer to Magnus's ideals. Maybe that's where Magnus resides today.
I did think of a similar comparison to how magic could still work even if the Sun was temporary blocked out. I just thought with how many mages and things that use magic. I would think it would start malfunctioning even in the early stages. But your point about a charge and battery comparison is valid. Also maybe the stars give magicka to Nirn. But I rather like the theory that Magnus himself after being all but destroyed became the endless magicka used on Nirn. It represents how powerful he was as a god, if his remains gave an inexhaustible resource to Nirn.
Never thought of it like that. I just thought that if Magnus was the original source, than he didn’t become an Earthbone. As his power alters the world.
But my theory is a canon one. It’s just the one I like the most. However among Mages it’s more widely believed magicka comes from Aetherius. I just like the canon theory that Magnus himself became magicka the most. As if Magnus was still alive, wouldn’t he have with all his power and knowledge found someway to undo Nirn?
After all he made all the blueprints. So I thought maybe his Eye and Staff are tools left by the Magna-Ge to bring together a large enough amount of Magicka so he can reform and undo his work. Maybe that is also why the Psjic Order took it. They thought it could destroy the world. It would have been a better plot that the Eye is trying to see Nirn undone by Magnus’ last wish. Rather than simply a magic source turned into an unstable magic nuke.
Yeah, I think there is a lot more to the Eye of Magnus than me know. Some think it's Nirn's blue-prints (like VigilantOfMagnus, obviously). Others think it's a "memory container" of some sort, since memory is a crucial aspect of Tamriel, similar to how Sotha Sil "stored" his memories. Maybe it is Magnus is some way, or a piece of him. It is strange that the Khajiit worship "Magrus" as "The Cat's Eye". It's like they believe the Eye of Magnus is Magrus.
Lo and behold, Varieties of Faith in the Empire confirms that what's left of Magnus on Nirn is what allows mortals to feel and control magicka and use magic. Your theory confirmed by an in-game source, you perceptive thinker you! :D
True and that is a canon book in more than one installment of TES. Thanks. But I understand I could be wrong, and the source of magic could be Aetherius itself and Magnus’ rip to Aetherius creating the Sun gives Magicka to Nirn. But at the same time the other theory is that what mortals call magic aka magicka is what is left of Magnus on Nirn. And why it’s not bound as an Earthbone. But I’m glad that my in game theory has evidence to it.
Like both theories are plausible that magicka is either what is left of Magnus or it comes from Aetherius. And are canon in game history like I didn’t make them. I just added some interpretations of how and why. Hell isn’t there another canon game theory. Others explain as being accumulated life-force of dead organisms, which mages tap to convert into magical spells, and so on.
So far we have three theories stated by mages and books in TES.
1. Magicka is what remains of Magnus after he was all but destroyed.
2. Magicka comes from Aetherius via the Sun and Stars created by Magnus and the Magna-Ge.
Honestly, I don't think the answers are mutually exclusive. Magicka is basically a form of energy, and energy exists in our world too (and lots of it comes to Earth from the sun) but we can't use it to bend the laws of nature the way people in 'The Elder Scrolls' universe can. So I think what's left of Magnus on Nirn may be "laws" of magic that allow mortals to bend magicka to their will and overrule less powerful laws of nature (which makes sense since Magnus was one of the most powerful Et'ada), whereas magicka from Aetherius would be the raw fuel that allows people to make use of the powers of magic.
Who mentions magic as being transmuation of dead organisms' life-force? Are you talking about "soul magic"?
I just read another book that implies that magic and Magnus are one and the same. Before the Ages of Man claims that another name for Magnus is 'Magic' (or rather, that another name for the being known as Magic is 'Magnus'). More and more I'm starting to think that there is a subtle difference between "magic" and "magicka", the latter being the fuel/energy that allows for the usage of magic, and the former being the laws/entity allowing for the manipulation of magicka.
It’s where all the theories I got. Each new TES game they revise or add on to the lore of the game and it’s mechanic.
Origin of Magicka
There are many theories as to where magicka comes from. According to a legend, Magicka is what is left of Magnus' power when he was all but destroyed in the creation of the mortal plane. It is likely that Magicka is also made up of the residual power of the other creators of Nirn. Other theories include that when Magnus created Mundus, he unintentionally tore a hole into Aetherius, with his lesser deities opening smaller cracks, which allowed magicka to flow through stars. Others explain as being accumulated life-force of dead organisms, which mages tap to convert into magical spells, and so on.
Very interesting! :) I think the page is (understandably) conflating lots of different things, though (magic, magicka, and souls). That being said, my guess is that souls are an energy-form like magicka, and can be converted into magicka in the same way kinetic energy can be changed into thermal energy, for example.