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  • So, after the events of the Shivering Isles, Jyggalag vanishes into Oblivion, and is not heard from again. It is debated that the Hero of Kvatch accepted the Mantle of Sheogorath, becoming the new Daedric Prince. However, we do not hear about Jyggalag in Skyrim. Normally, a Deadric Prince would actively seak worship; to form a cult. However, we don't see any cult or Statues idolizing Jyggalag... 

    Also, at around the same time, the Thalmor went from being a small force, to being a large Military, to literally dropp kicking the Empire in no time at all. I'm thinking that the Thalmor did have backing, and that Jyggalag did have his cult. Do you think it is possible that the Thalmor are backed by Jyggalag? 

    That would explaing their almost flawlessly executed plans, and perfect take-over of Imperial City, and why the Elder Scrolls ran screaming (not literally) from White Gold Tower around that time period.

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    • i have never thought about that before, but i think you are on to something. 

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    • It could be. As we saw in TES: Legends, the Thalmor Lord Naarifin was working with Boethiah and Vaermina, so the Thalmor aren't against working with Daedric Princes. 

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    • Could be, but I thought that Jyggalag could only exist when Sheogorath didn't. If that's true, then Jyggalag wouldn't have had much time, if any, to help the Dominion.

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    • Ottoman Hold wrote:
      Could be, but I thought that Jyggalag could only exist when Sheogorath didn't. If that's true, then Jyggalag wouldn't have had much time, if any, to help the Dominion.

      Well, assuming that the end of the Shivering Isles was correct, then Sheogorath and Jyggalag have been seperated. So, Jyggalag would have plenty of free time on his hands.

      He would also want to stay out of the way of the other Deadric Princes, so they don't go and just curse him again... Which is why everything he has been doing is so low-key. Just my running theory anyway.

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    • That's true. I'd say, if it is canon (which I'm 99% sure Shivering Isles is), then he'd have gotten involved in Tamrielic affairs. I'd say this theory has a decent chance.

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    • That's actually a really good theory but

      1. Altmeris culture makes daedra worship impossible (hence the exile of the chimer, orsimer, ayleids and maormer.Only a select few manage to worship daedra eg Lord Naarfin.

      2. Also all Daedric Princes crave worship but if the majority of Thalmor don't realise they serve Jygallag it might not be as potent.

      3. Jygallag is said to  be weaker than most of Princes, maybe as weak as an aedra. The Thalmor did recieve a suspicious amount of support from the Aldmeri Dominion leading up to the Great War but the Aldmeri Domnion and Thalmor have always had the capacity to defeat the crumbling empire so it isn't that much of a stretch.

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    • @86.171.100.49 correct me if I am wrong as I do not possess a lot of knowledge of Elder scrolls lore but from what I know and believe heres what I can say to this amazing theory.

      1. It is true that Altmer culture would not allow the woship of the Deadra but I do believe that Lord Naarfin does and he could be. As Goldbrand could be a manifestation of Boethiah to him and the idea of "The Culling" could be influence by Vearmina as bringing the ulitimate terror to men. He could be a champion of Jyggalag as he was able to executed a startegy that would let the Aldemeri win the Great War as it would seem that Jyggalag had OCD and taught him to execute the "perfect" strategy that would make victory inevitable for the Aldermeri by teaching him every detail of Cyrodiil and teaching him the mistakes in the battlefield that would make defeat possible. Although he was killed in battle by some guy who wore the Emperor's armor it was said he was take to an unknown location in oblivion as to which I believe that Jyggalag took him.

      2. I can say it is true that it won't be effective as much but Jyggalag is the Deadric Prince of Order and It would seem that the Thalmor are dominant and are now apply order which would mean they are doing his job? which also makes them worshipping him?? Jyggalag seems to acknowledge his mistake from the past so he might be laying low until he has enough guys that seems to match their belief from him. Then Jyggalag would bestow a Champion (possibly Lord Naarifin) that would bring a message to all that he would come again as a Daedric Prince since others does not acknowledge his existence as a Daedric Prince.

      3.  Jyggalag might be weaker now because of the co-existence of him and Sheogorath but lets just say he has normal strength of power as a Deadric Prince. Yes, the Aldmeri always WAS capable of defeating the Empire but saw no provokation to declare war. They challenge the rule of  the Empire and started the Great War. The Aldmeri believe that mer should dominate and rule Tamriel and thus implying Order if they do so.

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    • 112.210.42.185 wrote:
      @86.171.100.49 correct me if I am wrong as I do not possess a lot of knowledge of Elder scrolls lore but from what I know and believe heres what I can say to this amazing theory.

      1. It is true that Altmer culture would not allow the woship of the Deadra but I do believe that Lord Naarfin does and he could be. As Goldbrand could be a manifestation of Boethiah to him and the idea of "The Culling" could be influence by Vearmina as bringing the ulitimate terror to men. He could be a champion of Jyggalag as he was able to executed a startegy that would let the Aldemeri win the Great War as it would seem that Jyggalag had OCD and taught him to execute the "perfect" strategy that would make victory inevitable for the Aldermeri by teaching him every detail of Cyrodiil and teaching him the mistakes in the battlefield that would make defeat possible. Although he was killed in battle by some guy who wore the Emperor's armor it was said he was take to an unknown location in oblivion as to which I believe that Jyggalag took him.

      2. I can say it is true that it won't be effective as much but Jyggalag is the Deadric Prince of Order and It would seem that the Thalmor are dominant and are now apply order which would mean they are doing his job? which also makes them worshipping him?? Jyggalag seems to acknowledge his mistake from the past so he might be laying low until he has enough guys that seems to match their belief from him. Then Jyggalag would bestow a Champion (possibly Lord Naarifin) that would bring a message to all that he would come again as a Daedric Prince since others does not acknowledge his existence as a Daedric Prince.

      3.  Jyggalag might be weaker now because of the co-existence of him and Sheogorath but lets just say he has normal strength of power as a Deadric Prince. Yes, the Aldmeri always WAS capable of defeating the Empire but saw no provokation to declare war. They challenge the rule of  the Empire and started the Great War. The Aldmeri believe that mer should dominate and rule Tamriel and thus implying Order if they do so.

      If Jyggalag was involved in the Great War and he was siding with the Aldmeri Dominion, the Thalmor would've won and the Culling would've occurred... there was completely no traces of Jyggalag or his influence in the Great War.

      There were traces of Boethiah and Vaermina's influences but no hints of his interference at all. Nothing, void, emptiness while there were signs of making deals with those two Daedric Princes.

      I am guessing Sheo and Jyggy are doing their own thing. Former Hero of Kvatch is just chilling in his realm talking to his own hand and shadows while Jyggy maybe exploring Oblivion or not in it anymore.

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    • This might very well be possible, if you consider that the Aldmeri Dominion's attacks on the Empire, as well as the White-Gold Concordat signing, take place during the same general timeframe as when (if it happened) the Hero of Kvatch took on the mantle of Sheogorath. During this period of transition, the powers of Sheogorath would be drastically weakened, allowing Jyggalag more comparative power. After the Concordat was signed, however, the Dominion began facing greater difficulty in their bid for power, particularly when they attempted to take the territory in Hammerfell ceded to them, only to be held back by the Redguard who refused to relinquish part of their home. If Sheogorath and Jyggalag operate off a power balance, then this implies that, as the Redguard managed to press the Dominion to stalemate, the new Sheogorath managed to learn control of his newfound power, restoring the balance.

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    • Daedric princes are very crafty and use powerful illusions to trick others. The Thalmor may be narcissistic arseholes, but they can be fooled rather easily. Jyggalag may just be posing as an Aedra to fool the thalmor.

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    • Jyggalag, if I remember correctly, dominated oblivion through order and that is why all of the other daedra cursed him with madness, which means he should be the strongest daedric prince, as they do vary in power, like peryite being called the weakest prince, which does support that the dominant group is backed by Jyggalag

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    • Perhaps Jyggalag learned from his mistake of dominating Oblivion and flaunting too much power, and told the Thalmor to make a few mistakes here and there, appearing to be of equal power to the Empire but still allowing room for victory in order to cause the events of Skyrim to happen. The Stormcloak rebellion causes a war with Empire that forces them to use even more resources and man power while Thalmor are able to cruise right in and do their "culling" of Talos worshipers legally while also weakening Talos' power at the same time.

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    • There is no way. The thalmor believe that the are aedra which gave up all their by by being tricked by the deadra to create nirn and want to return to to their former aedra self by un making the world. They saw an opportunity to gain control when the empire suffered the loss of their emperor line of dragonborne succession during the Oblivion crisis. The attack on Talis worship is because a mere mortal was able to climb to good hood and would be the greatest threat to their goal. As long as talos has power they can never succeed. As for jiggy he never cared for influence from mortals so why would he help the thalmor? He wouldn't! Jiggy's power may be halved with the creation and separation of himself and sheo but it took all of the deadra to beat him and all they could do was merely curse him. He has given up his relm of Oblivion to sheo and would more than likely be creating a new one. We wouldn't hear of this because he doesn't care about worship he has never needed it so he would have no need to influence mortals. Don't forget that people who align with deadra go to that deadras relm of Oblivion, jiggy would not want mortals in his relm of order and logic for mortals are chaotic and irrational. - Even though you have no use for me my Lord I shall bring order to Nirn in your name and detroy all that resist until none remain. Until my death I will show all the error of their ways.

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    • Could possibly be a connection between the curse on Jyggalag/Sheogorath and the white-gold/adamantine towers, hence why the dominion invaded Cyrodil and showed interest in Hammerfell in the Great War.

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    • Jyggalag os the Prince Of Order. The Thalmor could be worshipping him indirectly through the worship of the concept of order.

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    • Hello I like your theory but you maybe wrong. I read lots of books in Skyrim. And they all are linked. There once we're high Elves that worshipped the daedra. Until a divine was contacted. These elves used to have lots of power over lands and with magic. And then the divines sealed up Oblivion. So these only source of power they could rely on was lorkahn. If he demolished all divines Oblivion would open and they would have power again. And talos demolished lorkahn with the divines. And he was a shard of lorkahn. So I think the thalmor are trying to eliminate all worship of talos to weaken him so they can capture him and remake lorkahn to destroy all divines so they can open Oblivion again for more power.

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    • From Oblivion radiant Dialogue: "Daedra worship is becoming increasingly prevelent in the Summerset Isles."

      It could be very possible.



      And expansion of this theory coudl ve: Banning Talos worship weakens his status as a god, which in turn weakens the barrier between Oblivion and Mundus since Martin only sealed it by using Talos's blood to fulfil the "blood of a Divine" requirement for Cameron's paradise. Once the barriers are weak enough, Jyggalag plans to invade Mundus to secure enough power to challenge the other Princes again.

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    • The Jyggalag will always fail as chaos can never be controlled. With all that juicy knowledge in his library the Jyggalag will have to know that and attempt to control chaos from occurring in all the possible outcomes which would be crazy and would drive someone mad........... hold up Jyggalag is sheagorath right! Then prehaps the pressure of all the knowledge and trying to stop chaos in all forms is the reason he is the alter ego of the mad god

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    • As far as I know Jyggalag seems more like the type of Daedric Prince to focus of remaking a realm instead of toying with mortals.

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    • The Thalmor have used Daedric Princes before to get an advantage aganst the Empire.

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