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  • I know that many people will disagree this statement, but I don't think Reymon Ebonarm still has a place in TES official lore. Bethesda had included him in books, among other things in Daggerfall, but after that up through Morrowind Online his name means nothing. No mention in books, none in conversations with Redguards, nothing. It is almost as if Bethesda meant to take this deity and just have us forget him. Maybe he was a rough draft for the Yokuda pantheon, but maybe the theory that Reymon Ebonarm is the Ebony Warrior isn't to far from the truth, that there was some fall from glory that hasn't been fully fleshed out yet, but the point is that I wonder if Reymon Ebonarm still has a place in the Elder Scrolls lore.

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    • no more, he was deleted from history by bethesda so officially not cannon anymore.

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    • I like to think Ebonarm is forgotten. The Miracle of Peace happened and the god of war wasn't needed. It may be that Ebonarm still exists in some guise, such as Ebony Warrior, or it could be that he was replaced or retired.

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    • The Dragon Break could also effect this

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    • It is still Canon. However, since it is very likely he zero-summed, he was likely removed from the timeline. Due to how zero-summing works, it would make no sense for any clue of Ebonarm existing to even be conceived. Basically, he never WAS, so he never WILL be.

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    • maybe he tried to achive CHIM and failed and was Zero summed.

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    • My take on this is: until someone with authority to do so at Bethesda says that Ebonarm is no longer canon, then Ebonarm is still canon.  If they have plans for the character, none of us will know them. L.o.l.

      Speaking in terms of pure speculation, I think that Ebonarm is less a god than a role passed down from one person to the next: probably a hero who prevented wars among Hammerfell, High Rock, Skyrim, and possibly Orsinium who upheld the highest standard of justice and who battled the Daedric Princes.  This is why Ebonarm is described seemingly as a mixture of Redguard, Nordic, and possibly Breton influences.  So according to this theory, different heroes have been Ebonarm throught history, maybe even beginning on Yokuda, and the previous Ebonarm passes the mantle down to a new hero. The book 'The Ebon Arm' describes one such hero (or a legendary composite of them), and the Ebony Warrior in Skyrim is yet another Ebonarm who is retiring.  And there will be yet more Ebonarms to come, because Ebonarm is an ideal transcending different cultures.

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    • Maybe he was retconned by Jyggalag during a Gray March between Daggerfall and Morrowind. After all, the Gray March we experience in The Shivering Isles DLC is supposed to take place at the beginning of the 4th Era, after Martin's death, and we don't know about the events of any other Gray Marches prior to that one.

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    • Webspidrman wrote:
      My take on this is: until someone with authority to do so at Bethesda says that Ebonarm is no longer canon, then Ebonarm is still canon.  If they have plans for the character, none of us will know them. L.o.l.

      Speaking in terms of pure speculation, I think that Ebonarm is less a god than a role passed down from one person to the next: probably a hero who prevented wars among Hammerfell, High Rock, Skyrim, and possibly Orsinium who upheld the highest standard of justice and who battled the Daedric Princes.  This is why Ebonarm is described seemingly as a mixture of Redguard, Nordic, and possibly Breton influences.  So according to this theory, different heroes have been Ebonarm throught history, maybe even beginning on Yokuda, and the previous Ebonarm passes the mantle down to a new hero. The book 'The Ebon Arm' describes one such hero (or a legendary composite of them), and the Ebony Warrior in Skyrim is yet another Ebonarm who is retiring.  And there will be yet more Ebonarms to come, because Ebonarm is an ideal transcending different cultures.

      As far I know Bethseida basicaly said they disliked Ebonarm and found him to edgy which is the reason he hasn't been mentioned since Daggerfall. Onsi seemed to replace Ebonarm as the main Redguard war god. And honestly I don't thnk Ebonarm was ever a Redguard god to begin with. He was worshiped in parts of High rock and aknowledged in parts of morrowind. It seemed more likely redguards adopted his worship after moving to Hammerfell rather tha him being part of the Traditional Pantheon.

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    • @A FANDOM user 71.191.166.87

      I'm glad they added Onsi, but I also like Ebonarm. L.o.l.  Honestly, between those two, Leki, and the avatars of the Hoonding, the Yokudans have more war gods than the Nords do!

      Anyway, I like the phrase "there is no such thing as a bad character".  I hope Ebonarm is included again in the future, when the time is right. :)  We just need a good tome explaining how this god came to be.

      I agree with you that he's probably at least partially adopted from Tamrielic belief:  My personal opinion is that he's a syncretic god: part- Reman Cyrodiil (hence the name "Reymon"), part other Yokudan god (the "Ebonarm" part).  The "Reymon" thing is so on-the-nose especially, it could be intentional.  The question is who was the Yokudan deity Reman was syncronized with?  If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably not Onsi or Leki, so either Ebonarm is Reman as an avatar of the Hoonding or he's Reman syncronized with some other Yokudan god we don't know yet (again, probably one related to ebony since he's so closely associated with it).

      What are your thoughts?

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    • Reymon Ebonarm definitely still is canon to the series unless Bethesda officially states otherwise.

      Plus, if the setting of TES6 is indeed Hammerfell, there's very little doubt that Ebonarm will at least have a place in background lore.

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    • No he's been removed and Bethesdia straight upset they dislike the character. He was a carry over from their old DND compain and they removed him from the lore. Also he was NEVER a redguard god. He was a popular god to the redguards near the illac bay region but there wasnt anything that said his worship origniated in yokuda and Onsi seems to be the main redguard war god

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