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  • How are the elves from some small island chain able to overwhelm nearly an entire continent of humans under one Empire?  I don't understand the story and logic.  The Thalmor should have had their clocks cleaned trying to fight Cyrodill (the most populous province), Skyrim, Hammerfal, and High Rock all at once.  

    The Empire would have a 10 to 1 population advantage over them.  Perhaps the Thalmor had better magicians and that played a part but I don't see how they won (or nearly won) the war.

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    • Mede lost on purpose, or fought poorly because he fell for altmer propaganda and got scared

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    • Dominion soldiers are trained in magic, and are expert fighters. In terms of quality, they most likely outshine all human soldiers.

      Elsweyr and Valenwood also fought on the side of the Dominion. Although it's not explicitly stated, I'd assume that during a war, the AD most likely used them in one way or another.

      If I'm completely wrong, then here's the answer that must be right: because the plot demanded it, Bethesda said for it to be, and so it is XD

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    • Size doesn't matter (size of their territories, I mean).

      The Altmer had a stronger army.

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    • The Empire only lost the Great War because the Dominion launched a SURPRISE ATTACK that the Empire never saw coming and was totally unprepared for. The Dominion had been gathering their strength and preparing for the Great War for the better part of an entire century. The Empire never even suspected it. The Dominion were already halting trade, ravaging the countryside, freezing up Imperial infrastructure, and besieging cities before the Imperials could have time to properly react. IF the Empire had prepared properly for the war, Alinor might be an Imperial province.

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    • Shigeru Thalmor Slayer wrote:
      The Empire only lost the Great War because the Dominion launched a SURPRISE ATTACK that the Empire never saw coming and was totally unprepared for. The Dominion had been gathering their strength and preparing for the Great War for the better part of an entire century. The Empire never even suspected it. The Dominion were already halting trade, ravaging the countryside, freezing up Imperial infrastructure, and besieging cities before the Imperials could have time to properly react. IF the Empire had prepared properly for the war, Alinor might be an Imperial province.

      How was it a surprise attack when they told him they would attack if he didn't accept their terms?

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    • 80.216.201.79 wrote:
      Shigeru Thalmor Slayer wrote:
      The Empire only lost the Great War because the Dominion launched a SURPRISE ATTACK that the Empire never saw coming and was totally unprepared for. The Dominion had been gathering their strength and preparing for the Great War for the better part of an entire century. The Empire never even suspected it. The Dominion were already halting trade, ravaging the countryside, freezing up Imperial infrastructure, and besieging cities before the Imperials could have time to properly react. IF the Empire had prepared properly for the war, Alinor might be an Imperial province.
      How was it a surprise attack when they told him they would attack if he didn't accept their terms?


      Madena was the one who said the Dominion launched a surprise attack.

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    • 69.130.158.90 wrote: How are the elves from some small island chain able to overwhelm nearly an entire continent of humans under one Empire?  I don't understand the story and logic.  The Thalmor should have had their clocks cleaned trying to fight Cyrodill (the most populous province), Skyrim, Hammerfal, and High Rock all at once.  

      The Empire would have a 10 to 1 population advantage over them.  Perhaps the Thalmor had better magicians and that played a part but I don't see how they won (or nearly won) the war.

      The Empire did outnumber them but the Thalmor knew where and when to attack, plus they had Valenwood and Elswyre on their side.

      Also their soldiers are superior to the soldiers of the Empire.

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    • 69.130.158.90 wrote:
      How are the elves from some small island chain able to overwhelm nearly an entire continent of humans under one Empire?  I don't understand the story and logic.  The Thalmor should have had their clocks cleaned trying to fight Cyrodill (the most populous province), Skyrim, Hammerfal, and High Rock all at once.  

      The Empire would have a 10 to 1 population advantage over them.  Perhaps the Thalmor had better magicians and that played a part but I don't see how they won (or nearly won) the war.

      Well, size doesn't matter at all as a positive trait, it's quite the opposite. 

      The ES Empire is a parody of the Roman Empire, look what happened in reality: they were bigger, had ridiculously huge territory, were adamant fearsome soldiers, civilized, ruled for generations and had a strong surviving culture. Result? Several tribes, possibly running from the Huns, invaded the Empire, destroyed everything and put an Empire that endured for thousands of years into basically ruins. They were called barbarians, uncivilized, madmen, but they were victorious.

      And why? Well, there are several motives, size is one of them. You can't control at all that many people. Also, religion was another problem. Christianity had shaken the Roman Empire, and their army tradition was bad, they were mad. We can also quote that the Emperors were getting weaker, coups everywhere, and they weren't getting so many slaves to sustain that enormous empire.

      That's the point of the Mede Empire. The Mede rulers weren't as strong as Septim rulers. The Oblivion Crisis had shaken them, and also have given power to the Altmer. The Mede Empire also were very negligent with their own people. Now imagine that a huge force of Altmer, all powerful in magic, are all reunited under an extremist banner and attack this sensitive Empire. That's why they won, they had power, ideals, merpower (lol).

      If you look closely, to see the difficulty of the 3rd Aldmeri Dominion winning the Mede Empire with all those aspects should lead to the difficulty of understanding how the 1st AD battling the other alliances in the 2E as equals (as they did), and also to the very unlikely event that the 2nd AD would be smashed by the army of a single individual that would reunite an entire continent. I know it's all fiction, but most wars in reality are won (and Empires fall) by very particular and special events that sometimes we wouldn't believe, but they do happen.

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    • Yellow Ledbetter wrote:

      69.130.158.90 wrote:
      How are the elves from some small island chain able to overwhelm nearly an entire continent of humans under one Empire?  I don't understand the story and logic.  The Thalmor should have had their clocks cleaned trying to fight Cyrodill (the most populous province), Skyrim, Hammerfal, and High Rock all at once.  

      The Empire would have a 10 to 1 population advantage over them.  Perhaps the Thalmor had better magicians and that played a part but I don't see how they won (or nearly won) the war.

      Well, size doesn't matter at all as a positive trait, it's quite the opposite. 

      The ES Empire is a parody of the Roman Empire, look what happened in reality: they were bigger, had ridiculously huge territory, were adamant fearsome soldiers, civilized, ruled for generations and had a strong surviving culture. Result? Several tribes, possibly running from the Huns, invaded the Empire, destroyed everything and put an Empire that endured for thousands of years into basically ruins. They were called barbarians, uncivilized, madmen, but they were victorious.

      And why? Well, there are several motives, size is one of them. You can't control at all that many people. Also, religion was another problem. Christianity had shaken the Roman Empire, and their army tradition was bad, they were mad. We can also quote that the Emperors were getting weaker, coups everywhere, and they weren't getting so many slaves to sustain that enormous empire.

      That's the point of the Mede Empire. The Mede rulers weren't as strong as Septim rulers. The Oblivion Crisis had shaken them, and also have given power to the Altmer. The Mede Empire also were very negligent with their own people. Now imagine that a huge force of Altmer, all powerful in magic, are all reunited under an extremist banner and attack this sensitive Empire. That's why they won, they had power, ideals, merpower (lol).

      If you look closely, to see the difficulty of the 3rd Aldmeri Dominion winning the Mede Empire with all those aspects should lead to the difficulty of understanding how the 1st AD battling the other alliances in the 2E as equals (as they did), and also to the very unlikely event that the 2nd AD would be smashed by the army of a single individual that would reunite an entire continent. I know it's all fiction, but most wars in reality are won (and Empires fall) by very particular and special events that sometimes we wouldn't believe, but they do happen.

      I'd like to bump in here for a second.

      The Mede Rulers are, arguably, stronger rulers than the Septims, generally speaking. In the ±200 years they've been in charge, the only reasons they've lost territory was either from coups or a peace treaty. They did not suffer any fighting inside their own territory, which was quite the opposite with the Septim rulers. The Oblivion Crisis is also the very thing that brought the Medes to power.

      As someone who has read the Novels, I can tell you that the Medes are good at what they do. When Titus Mede I took the throne, only Skyrim, and 7/9th of Cyrodiil was still part of the Empire, the rest was gone; had abandoned the Empire. The Medes personally reclaimed Hammerfell, High Rock, Leyawiin, Bravil, and Elsweyr, and that's not even counting their losses by the Umbriel Invasion.

      Bethesda seems to be making something quite clear with the history of the Medes we have; they have always been in a bad situation, and they never get a chance to recover, but they are still standing. It's meant to show what the Empire's going through; rough times, but it will keep standing, and one day, recover.

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    • Blademaster Jauffre wrote:

      Yellow Ledbetter wrote:

      69.130.158.90 wrote:
      How are the elves from some small island chain able to overwhelm nearly an entire continent of humans under one Empire?  I don't understand the story and logic.  The Thalmor should have had their clocks cleaned trying to fight Cyrodill (the most populous province), Skyrim, Hammerfal, and High Rock all at once.  

      The Empire would have a 10 to 1 population advantage over them.  Perhaps the Thalmor had better magicians and that played a part but I don't see how they won (or nearly won) the war.

      Well, size doesn't matter at all as a positive trait, it's quite the opposite. 

      The ES Empire is a parody of the Roman Empire, look what happened in reality: they were bigger, had ridiculously huge territory, were adamant fearsome soldiers, civilized, ruled for generations and had a strong surviving culture. Result? Several tribes, possibly running from the Huns, invaded the Empire, destroyed everything and put an Empire that endured for thousands of years into basically ruins. They were called barbarians, uncivilized, madmen, but they were victorious.

      And why? Well, there are several motives, size is one of them. You can't control at all that many people. Also, religion was another problem. Christianity had shaken the Roman Empire, and their army tradition was bad, they were mad. We can also quote that the Emperors were getting weaker, coups everywhere, and they weren't getting so many slaves to sustain that enormous empire.

      That's the point of the Mede Empire. The Mede rulers weren't as strong as Septim rulers. The Oblivion Crisis had shaken them, and also have given power to the Altmer. The Mede Empire also were very negligent with their own people. Now imagine that a huge force of Altmer, all powerful in magic, are all reunited under an extremist banner and attack this sensitive Empire. That's why they won, they had power, ideals, merpower (lol).

      If you look closely, to see the difficulty of the 3rd Aldmeri Dominion winning the Mede Empire with all those aspects should lead to the difficulty of understanding how the 1st AD battling the other alliances in the 2E as equals (as they did), and also to the very unlikely event that the 2nd AD would be smashed by the army of a single individual that would reunite an entire continent. I know it's all fiction, but most wars in reality are won (and Empires fall) by very particular and special events that sometimes we wouldn't believe, but they do happen.

      I'd like to bump in here for a second.

      The Mede Rulers are, arguably, stronger rulers than the Septims, generally speaking. In the ±200 years they've been in charge, the only reasons they've lost territory was either from coups or a peace treaty. They did not suffer any fighting inside their own territory, which was quite the opposite with the Septim rulers. The Oblivion Crisis is also the very thing that brought the Medes to power.

      As someone who has read the Novels, I can tell you that the Medes are good at what they do. When Titus Mede I took the throne, only Skyrim, and 7/9th of Cyrodiil was still part of the Empire, the rest was gone; had abandoned the Empire. The Medes personally reclaimed Hammerfell, High Rock, Leyawiin, Bravil, and Elsweyr, and that's not even counting their losses by the Umbriel Invasion.

      Bethesda seems to be making something quite clear with the history of the Medes we have; they have always been in a bad situation, and they never get a chance to recover, but they are still standing. It's meant to show what the Empire's going through; rough times, but it will keep standing, and one day, recover.


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    • Macedonia was smaller than the Persian army (I am talking the whole population of Macedonia, not the army) and they still conquered from greece to India. The Gree civilization had less people than the persian army, yet they still fought them off due to higher skill. The Romans were not only technologically inferior, but also numerically inferior to the Carthagians, yet they still won the battle against them due to superior military strategies. Hannibal almost conquered Rome (he was a 1 day march from it) with a much smaller force than the Roman defense forces. Again, better leadership and skilled warriors. Human history is littered with instances of smaller forces defeating and in some cases toppling over larger forces. But arguably the closest contrast between ES universe and ours is Japan vs China. Japan took over massive parts of China and they were from a group of islands.



      Size is irrelevant, skill and strategy are what matter in war.

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    • To put it most simply, the entire continent is not human-dominated.

      Only 4 of the 9 provinces are actually home to human races, and 1 of them (Hammerfell) seceded from the Third Empire in the past 20+ years.

      As of right now in 4E201, the Empire consists of only those 3 remaining human provinces [and, possibly, the new Orsinium].

      The [Third] Aldmeri Dominion is the alliance between the *Summerset Isles (renamed to "Alinor"), Valenwood, & *Elsweyr (reorganized into the client-states of Anequina & Pellitine).

      Currently; the 3 provinces of Hammerfell (as mentioned already), Morrowind, & Black Marsh are neutral in the conflict.

      What makes the Dominion a legitimate threat to the Empire [other than the Altmer capability for magic]? Five things:

      1) Their naval aptitude (the Altmer navy blockade is regarded as truly formidable & unmatched); and it's more-than-likely to have been rebuilt in the 4th Era.

      2) Their continent-wide access; as has been seen in the Dragonborn DLC, the Dominion has already established bases & connections as far north as Solstheim.

      3) Their use of spy networks; including the conscription of greedy locals to snoop on the natives.

      4) Their access to the talents of both Bosmer & Khajiit (and likely to the Imga & "Wood Orcs" as well); Just like the days of the First Aldmeri Dominion, having both Valenwood & Elsweyr on their side already means they have access to the potentials of many more gifted individuals (and bodies) than the Summerset Isles would on its own.

      5) Their willingness to both commit purges & 'condition' captives; Never underestimate the mindset of zealots, whether religiously motivated or just to ensure that fear breeds "loyalty", the Thalmor branch of the Dominion is more than ready to both slaughter entire populations & torture their prisoners into giving them whatever they want (which included Ulfric Stormcloak's own mental conditioning after he was captured in the Great War).

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