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  • I was thinking, if Belharza was meant to be the first minotaur, and if all minotaurs are meant to be his descendants, I have a few questions

    1) who did he reproduce with in order to make more minotaurs, just another human?

    2) where are the female minotaurs in Oblivion, maybe in the mountains you can't really reach in game?

    3) is Belharza actually not the first minotaur, but rather he just basically is one due to his parents? 

    4) if they are infact all related to Belharza, they surely must have become atleast slightly less intelligent? they do seem to show atleast some level of intelligence because they can weild weapons, use magic and seem to be found around Alessian ruins alot 

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    • 1) Probably just a human, yeah. Keep in mind that Belharza would have been the grandson of Kynareth (sort of), and further existed at a time when the rules of the world (Earthbones) were more flexible. Some combination of these things must have allowed his children to inherit primarily his features, rather than his partner's.

      2) It's possible all minotaurs look like burly buff dudes, I guess? I got nothing aside from that, apart from "maybe the developers didn't think about it, or maybe didn't want to bake up another creature model." 

      3) I think, technically speaking, Belharza's father Morihaus was the first Minotaur. He's described as being...Pretty much a normal minotaur, with the added bonus of having wings since he was the literal son of Kynareth.

      4) I don't see how that would mean they'd have less intelligence; what little evidence there is suggests Belharza might have actually been abnormally intelligent, and for the first while after the establishment of Alessia's Empire the Minotaurs were the ones who ruled it. This came to an end later on in the First Era when the Alessian Order rose to prominence and, riding a wave of racist nationalism, managed to drive out the minotaur royalty along with the remaining Ayleids. The minotaurs fled into the forests and mountains, and the ayleids went off to Valenwood and integrated with the Bosmer.

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    • 2602:306:CF8D:4F20:99D:E0B2:37E4:8F1F wrote:
      1) Probably just a human, yeah. Keep in mind that Belharza would have been the grandson of Kynareth (sort of), and further existed at a time when the rules of the world (Earthbones) were more flexible. Some combination of these things must have allowed his children to inherit primarily his features, rather than his partner's.

      2) It's possible all minotaurs look like burly buff dudes, I guess? I got nothing aside from that, apart from "maybe the developers didn't think about it, or maybe didn't want to bake up another creature model." 

      3) I think, technically speaking, Belharza's father Morihaus was the first Minotaur. He's described as being...Pretty much a normal minotaur, with the added bonus of having wings since he was the literal son of Kynareth.

      4) I don't see how that would mean they'd have less intelligence; what little evidence there is suggests Belharza might have actually been abnormally intelligent, and for the first while after the establishment of Alessia's Empire the Minotaurs were the ones who ruled it. This came to an end later on in the First Era when the Alessian Order rose to prominence and, riding a wave of racist nationalism, managed to drive out the minotaur royalty along with the remaining Ayleids. The minotaurs fled into the forests and mountains, and the ayleids went off to Valenwood and integrated with the Bosmer.

      Responding to my own post to say that it seems that Bethesda had plans to potentially include female minotaurs within the game; there's a "minotaur female test.nif" file that goes unused, seemingly because of modelling issues. Basically, they're not there because of technical difficulties. This said, they could be...Anywhere. The mountains explanation is as good as any.

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    • That's a very well thoughtout answer, I mean really Belharza being basically the grandson to a god could really sort of fill in any of the blanks there could be with this to be honest hahah 

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    • There are female minotaurs, apparently, but they're rarer. I'll probably end up updating the page with that info sometime. Researching Elder Scrolls lore can be quite tiresome for the mind.

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    • Thanks, that definitely cleared up allot of my questions, it’s always a relief when there’s a knowledgeable person who has your back with Elder Scrolls lore, and as Gobi-Aoi said, you saved my mind from allot of tiring.

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