User:KINMUNE/chatlog/20180407

• 01:28:15: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Supreme Argonian!
• 02:30:11: KINMUNE: Hello there, Crazykhajiitlady!
• 04:51:07: KINMUNE: Hello there, RenzXVI!
• 07:34:38: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Beautiful Princess Ashley!
• 07:34:51: RenzXVI: Hi
• 07:36:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
• 07:37:27: RenzXVI: Damn this, I can't turn off just the music?
• 07:37:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nope
• 07:38:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: emulators don't work like that
• 07:38:27: RenzXVI: Oh well, might as well enjoy fighting with Munna for the first time, with music, XD
• 07:43:37: RenzXVI: Well, that was bad. Munna's Psywave is too random.
• 07:46:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: aye, it's a shitty move
• 07:46:19: RenzXVI: It's the only offensive attack.
• 07:46:23: RenzXVI: As of now.
• 07:46:27: RenzXVI: Yawn seems good though.
• 07:46:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yup
• 07:46:38: RenzXVI: BUt I don't need that for enemies half its level.
• 07:46:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sleep is very useful
• 07:47:47: RenzXVI: How does the low life/paralyzed/asleep thing work with the pokeball capturing chance? Is it 100% if they are asleep or not?
• 07:49:52: RenzXVI: What? A patrat managed to avoid my Psywave while asleep? O_o What sorcery is this?
• 07:53:10: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it raises the chance of capturing. doesn't make it 100% i think
• 08:01:56: RenzXVI: Oh crap, dark pokemon are not affected by psywave? O_o
• 08:02:09: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yup, they're immune to psychic attacks
• 08:02:57: RenzXVI: I am gonna have a lot of trouble with this Munna.
• 08:03:06: RenzXVI: Is it not a good pokemon?
• 08:03:19: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it can be a decent pokemon
• 08:04:28: RenzXVI: Wait, what? Switching to a different pokemon still makes the first one gain exp?
• 08:07:09: RenzXVI: A patrat avoided the psywave again...
• 08:11:12: RenzXVI: Hmmm... If they both earn if I switch, I guess I could just stick to higher level pokemon, start with my low level one then switch immediately to my best,
• 08:12:26: RenzXVI: So I could fight high level enemies with a weak one but switch. XD
• 08:16:22: RenzXVI: Success... It's also weird how the first pokemon gains the most exp even though the second pokemon beat it.
• 08:18:58: RenzXVI: I should do this on the next town. My top pokemon is too high level.
• 08:19:36: RenzXVI: Wait, i still want a second Munna
• 08:19:40: RenzXVI: I guess stay. XD
• 08:20:26: RenzXVI: Are you kidding me? Another Audino.
• 08:20:46: RenzXVI: Level 11 this time, pretty high.
• 08:21:19: RenzXVI: I am not even gonna use a great ball for this thing anymore.
• 08:28:36: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: audino give a lot of experience when beaten. you should kill it.
• 08:28:51: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: unless you want another audino, of course
• 08:28:58: RenzXVI: Oh. Nah, I took it, It was 11 and my Audinos were just 8 and 11.
• 08:29:01: RenzXVI: I mean 8 and 9
• 08:35:02: RenzXVI: Finally, Another Munna
• 08:37:06: RenzXVI: Ashley, a pokemon hit by a status will steal have it after battle if not healed, right? Does the pokemon center remove it?
• 08:37:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
• 08:37:54: RenzXVI: Oh good then. The Munna enemy made my pokemon sleep, I'll just switch to another one instead of using a medicine.
• 08:38:56: RenzXVI: Noooo, I hit a crit and it died...
• 08:39:47: RenzXVI: Wait, what!? O_o Another Munna in a row. Good.
• 08:40:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: why do you want 2 of everything anyway?
• 08:40:18: RenzXVI: I dunno. XD
• 08:40:28: RenzXVI: Just for extras.
• 09:07:30: RenzXVI: I reached a daycare and all these little kids are lining up for me to beat. XD
• 09:07:35: RenzXVI: BUt they only pay 40.
• 09:07:45: RenzXVI: I guess that's their lunch money.
• 09:07:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they're kawaii though
• 09:09:28: RenzXVI: Yeah, they're happy even when they lose.
• 09:10:02: RenzXVI: OOoh, twins.
• 09:10:24: RenzXVI: I haven't done a double battle yet.
• 09:14:15: RenzXVI: Pretty much the same. Beat them easily. And the pokemons I switched out gained experience.
• 09:40:30: RenzXVI: I got a Roggenrola thing and my Lillipup evolved.
• 09:40:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: nice
• 09:43:14: RenzXVI: I am finding Pidoves in the grass now. Time to get some. XD
• 09:43:27: RenzXVI: Well, I now have too many types. I dunno which I want
• 09:44:46: RenzXVI: Oh crap, I forgot, I killed the bird...
• 09:44:57: RenzXVI: Well, whatever. I'll get it again soon. XD
• 09:45:08: RenzXVI: I had to test my evolved Lillipup
• 09:46:53: RenzXVI: Yeah got it again.
• 09:53:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: those things aren't rare. no need to fret if you killed one
• 09:54:01: RenzXVI: Yeah, turns out they aren't.
• 09:56:50: RenzXVI: I like the healing at the day care, it's way faster than the pokemon center
• 09:58:12: RenzXVI: A school kid has a pokemon named Blitzle. XD Reminds me of BLitz
• 09:58:24: RenzXVI: Looks like a unicorn zebra thing.
• 10:09:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's Blitzbear's little sister Blitzzebra
• 10:09:43: RenzXVI: Lol
• 11:08:29: KINMUNE: Hello there, Milliewhite40!
• 11:08:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
• 11:08:49: Milliewhite40: Hoi
• 11:09:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: Hoi? you dutch?
• 11:09:29: Milliewhite40: Um no why
• 11:09:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: bc hoi is ditch for hi
• 11:09:45: Milliewhite40: K
• 11:09:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: dutch*
• 11:14:02: Milliewhite40: Kk
• 11:14:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: anyway, what's up?
• 11:15:08: Milliewhite40: Nothing. U?
• 11:15:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: playing smash bros
• 11:16:25: Milliewhite40: What’s this wiki about?
• 11:16:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: you're on a wiki without knowing what it's about?
• 11:18:23: Milliewhite40: Yeh I mean it eldrscrolls what ever that is
• 11:18:23: RenzXVI: You can read the title.
• 11:18:34: RenzXVI: It's a game series.
• 11:18:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: why are you here if you don't know what the elder scrolls is?
• 11:19:09: RenzXVI: I could've sworn you have asked SKyrim stuff before.
• 11:19:37: RenzXVI: There was a girl here before Zoder came around that was active but she didn't play any TES game.
• 11:19:45: Milliewhite40: Um eldarscrolls
• 11:20:15: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't get why people who don't play TES would come here
• 11:20:31: RenzXVI: THey like me that much.
• 11:20:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
• 11:21:30: Milliewhite40: Yeh I mean I am kinda new
• 12:52:21: Milliewhite40: I will be back a bit later on k
• 13:16:51: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Supreme Argonian!
• 13:16:57: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
• 13:17:03: The Supreme Argonian: Hello.
• 13:24:47: Milliewhite40: Hey
• 13:47:48: Milliewhite40: Bye
• 13:55:42: KINMUNE: Hello there, FalloutElderScrollsFan!
• 13:56:29: FalloutElderScrollsFan: i know im a modding noob but how do i use OBMM
• 14:55:41: Milliewhite40: This chats kinda dead
• 14:56:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: aye
• 16:50:25: KINMUNE: Hello there, Josetrujillo!
• 17:20:43: KINMUNE: Hello there, Nekyn Alb!
• 17:20:46: Nekyn Alb: o/
• 17:48:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
• 18:04:41: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Crusader of Truth!
• 18:04:47: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 18:04:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi crus
• 18:04:56: Nekyn Alb: Hello o/
• 18:06:51: The Crusader of Truth: What's up y'all?
• 18:07:36: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: just played some morrowind
• 18:09:30: Nekyn Alb: SovietWomble streams Morrowind atm
• 18:11:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i prefer playing it myself over watching a stream
• 18:13:29: The Crusader of Truth: SovietWomble is doing Morowind?
• 18:13:32: The Crusader of Truth: *Morrowind
• 18:15:54: Nekyn Alb: yeah
• 18:16:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: why did i find a book about an ashlander myth in a Skaal house?
• 18:18:07: Nekyn Alb: War trophy
• 18:19:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah yes. bc the Skaal would totally go to war with ashlanders.
• 18:47:05: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Great Laggi!
• 18:47:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
• 18:47:15: The Great Laggi: Ready
• 18:48:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ready?
• 18:48:42: The Great Laggi: for the moot
• 18:48:47: The Great Laggi: then yes
• 18:51:16: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah
• 18:51:32: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: forgot there is a moot today
• 18:51:53: The Great Laggi: i almost forgot as well
• 18:52:35: The Great Laggi: due to ice skateing lessons
• 18:53:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'm shitty at ice skating
• 18:53:40: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i always fall
• 18:54:08: The Great Laggi: that actually is still me now
• 18:54:22: The Great Laggi: especially at going backwards
• 18:54:47: The Great Laggi: one moment I am completely stable
• 18:55:13: The Great Laggi: the other, I am on the ground
• 18:56:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't have that "completely stable" moment
• 18:56:53: The Great Laggi: oh
• 18:57:16: The Great Laggi: well I used to use hockey skates
• 18:57:38: The Great Laggi: until we had to constantly use the toe pick
• 18:57:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: toe pick?
• 18:58:03: The Great Laggi: the spikes on the tip of the ice skate
• 18:58:52: The Crusader of Truth: Im doing bot work so if I don't come back in time for the moot, someone ping me plz
• 18:58:58: The Great Laggi: ok
• 18:59:05: The Great Laggi: sounds good
• 19:20:34: KINMUNE: Hello there, Crazykhajiitlady!
• 19:20:57: The Great Laggi: Welcome
• 19:21:13: Crazykhajiitlady: Hi
• 19:21:47: The Great Laggi: you came for the moot, correct?
• 19:22:19: Crazykhajiitlady: Yeah
• 19:22:24: The Great Laggi: same
• 19:22:57: Crazykhajiitlady: Cool
• 19:23:24: The Great Laggi: you thinking of an issue to share at the moot?
• 19:23:39: Crazykhajiitlady: Not in particular
• 19:23:54: The Great Laggi: me neither
• 19:24:33: The Great Laggi: i just feel like there might be lots of articles that are stubs
• 19:25:31: Crazykhajiitlady: Interesting
• 19:26:37: The Great Laggi: i am not to certain though, I do feel like that we could maybe add new info that we have found
• 19:26:55: Crazykhajiitlady: Makes sense
• 19:28:48: The Great Laggi: i don’t know what they have done, I have not been on for a while
• 19:29:51: Crazykhajiitlady: Yeah same here, I’ve been on and off, I’ve never been to the Moot though
• 19:30:19: The Great Laggi: I attended the February moot but missed the March one
• 19:30:42: The Great Laggi: and even then, I was 30 minutes late
• 19:31:00: KINMUNE: Hello there, Atvelonis!
• 19:31:18: Atvelonis: Hi
• 19:31:21: The Great Laggi: hello atvelonis
• 19:31:26: KINMUNE: Hello there, Stygies VIII!
• 19:31:31: Crazykhajiitlady: Hello
• 19:31:36: Stygies VIII: 30 mins to the nerd council
• 19:31:37: Stygies VIII: hello
• 19:31:52: Atvelonis: So far we have only 1 minor topic haha, this may be a short one
• 19:32:02: The Great Laggi: i see
• 19:32:04: Atvelonis: Although there may be a few people that didn't sign up
• 19:32:06: Atvelonis: Happens often
• 19:32:17: The Great Laggi: not surprised
• 19:32:42: Stygies VIII: and they add topics 1 min before the moot?
• 19:33:00: Atvelonis: Yeah sometimes. Or they just don't sign up at all and just present
• 19:33:05: The Great Laggi: has anything important happened while I was gone
• 19:33:10: Atvelonis: How long have you been gone?
• 19:33:18: The Great Laggi: all march
• 19:33:18: Atvelonis: And it depends what you mean by important haha
• 19:33:31: The Great Laggi: so quite a while
• 19:34:27: Atvelonis: Nothing huge. We set up a new system for bot usage though
• 19:34:27: KINMUNE: Hello there, Dumac Dwarfking!
• 19:34:28: Atvelonis: Hi Dumac
• 19:34:34: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1001622
• 19:34:53: The Great Laggi: is kinmune an example of this
• 19:34:53: Atvelonis: So now instead of being an admin-only thing it's open to all staff, or non-staff who are very very qualified
• 19:35:02: Atvelonis: KINMUNE was there before so no. But she is a bot
• 19:35:08: The Great Laggi: ok
• 19:35:11: Atvelonis: The newest two bots are [[User:VuBot]] and [[User:Crusader Bot]]
• 19:35:20: Atvelonis: Operated by Vuh and The Crusader of Truth, respectively
• 19:35:38: The Great Laggi: what are the bot’s purposes anyways
• 19:35:46: The Crusader of Truth: To smash the wiki
• 19:35:52: The Great Laggi: lol
• 19:35:53: The Crusader of Truth: That's my bot's purpose anyway
• 19:35:58: Stygies VIII: lol
• 19:36:17: Atvelonis: KINMUNE logs chat and Discussions (and she can edit). The other bots mostly do maintenance edits
• 19:36:31: The Great Laggi: ok
• 19:36:44: The Great Laggi: and that’s all?
• 19:37:47: Stygies VIII: Crusader, you are my senpai
• 19:37:54: The Great Laggi: Wow
• 19:38:00: The Crusader of Truth: (kappa)
• 19:38:01: The Great Laggi: that was sudden
• 19:38:05: Dumac Dwarfking: please
• 19:38:28: Atvelonis: They make a lot of edits
• 19:38:34: Atvelonis: [[User:AkulakhanBot]] has about 100k
• 19:38:39: Atvelonis: [[User:Wikia]] has more
• 19:38:43: The Crusader of Truth: My bot has an extremely large 200 right now
• 19:38:52: The Crusader of Truth: But that's because I literally just started last night
• 19:39:03: The Great Laggi: oh so it’s a competition now huh?
• 19:39:06: The Great Laggi: lol
• 19:39:38: The Great Laggi: oh
• 19:39:45: The Great Laggi: there he goes
• 19:40:39: The Great Laggi: i am going to ask a random and off topic question now
• 19:40:54: Atvelonis: Ask away
• 19:40:57: The Great Laggi: who has seen ready player one
• 19:41:01: The Crusader of Truth: /me flies towards the ban button
• 19:41:28: Atvelonis: I saw it a week or two ago
• 19:41:29: Crazykhajiitlady: I’ve read the book! I think it’s pretty good
• 19:41:45: The Great Laggi: i liked the movie
• 19:41:55: Atvelonis: I can't exactly say the movie was a masterpiece but it was fun to watch
• 19:42:05: Atvelonis: I can't believe they referenced Buckaroo Banzai
• 19:42:05: The Great Laggi: same
• 19:42:08: Atvelonis: Literally no one has seen that
• 19:42:29: Atvelonis: I've met 2 human beings on this entire planet who have seen that movie and one of them is my mother
• 19:42:38: The Great Laggi: wow
• 19:42:44: The Great Laggi: who is the other
• 19:43:47: Atvelonis: My old English teacher
• 19:44:12: The Great Laggi: i did not expect you to say that
• 19:44:17: The Great Laggi: at all
• 19:44:59: Crazykhajiitlady: Nor did I honestly
• 19:45:49: The Great Laggi: want to know a weird fact about my account
• 19:46:07: Crazykhajiitlady: Sure why not
• 19:46:12: The Great Laggi: the email I used to make it
• 19:46:28: The Great Laggi: was given to me as a birthday present
• 19:46:48: Crazykhajiitlady: Interesting
• 19:47:00: The Great Laggi: that is why I am here today
• 19:47:14: The Great Laggi: preping for the moot
• 19:48:15: Crazykhajiitlady: Speaking of the moot, about how long will it last?
• 19:48:30: The Crusader of Truth: 3 years, unless I break and get coffee
• 19:48:32: Atvelonis: It depends how many topics we have and how contentious they are
• 19:48:36: The Great Laggi: last time I came it was about an hour
• 19:48:39: Atvelonis: Usually about an hour. Sometimes 2 if it's busy
• 19:48:50: The Great Laggi: true
• 19:49:13: Stygies VIII: let's have it last 69 minutes
• 19:49:19: The Crusader of Truth: (kappa)
• 19:49:24: The Great Laggi: lol
• 19:50:27: The Crusader of Truth: Btw Atv I'm going to start tagging the projects I'm working on @your bot page
• 19:50:35: The Crusader of Truth: That way you don't start on something I'm doing by mistake
• 19:50:55: KINMUNE: Hello there, Flightmare!
• 19:50:57: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 19:50:58: The Great Laggi: that has happened before?
• 19:51:03: Flightmare: hi
• 19:51:09: The Great Laggi: hello
• 19:51:10: Atvelonis: hey flight
• 19:51:18: The Crusader of Truth: Nah. Doesn't hurt to be prepared, though. I've done it once or twice with regular editing.
• 19:51:22: Flightmare: Beware of my typing today. I just bought my first Cherry MX
• 19:51:27: The Great Laggi: ah
• 19:51:30: Atvelonis: Nice
• 19:51:40: Flightmare: It's all wonky now. Have to get used to this.
• 19:51:57: The Crusader of Truth: I hate new keyboards
• 19:52:00: Flightmare: I had to press my old G15 nearly twice as hard.
• 19:52:23: The Great Laggi: that is a similar reason on why I had trouble typing at February
• 19:52:48: The Great Laggi: i was using my iPad mini’s tiny as heck screen
• 19:53:29: The Crusader of Truth: uu gh I have to look at all of these pages manually because 1 in 100 of them is from a book and I can't make any mistakes
• 19:53:32: The Crusader of Truth: k i l l m e
• 19:53:36: KINMUNE: Hello there, RhodiumOdi!
• 19:53:43: The Crusader of Truth: Also I love complaining
• 19:53:44: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 19:53:47: The Great Laggi: That must suck
• 19:53:56: RhodiumOdi: O/
• 19:54:01: The Great Laggi: hello
• 19:54:24: The Crusader of Truth: It's lazier work than doing it all by hand, so I can't complain too much
• 19:54:29: Atvelonis: Haha, KINMUNE pings me when you join because "mOd" = "mod"
• 19:54:48: The Crusader of Truth: And here I am with three pings
• 19:54:58: The Crusader of Truth: "Crus" "Fgh" and "Cot"
• 19:55:14: The Great Laggi: I don’t know how to use the gifs and now I am having a miniature crisis
• 19:55:38: The Crusader of Truth: The gifs?
• 19:55:46: The Crusader of Truth: [[Mediawiki:Emoticons]]
• 19:55:51: The Crusader of Truth: You mean these fancy bois?
• 19:55:55: The Great Laggi: yes
• 19:56:02: Atvelonis: (parrot)
• 19:56:10: RhodiumOdi: Fgh?
• 19:56:27: The Crusader of Truth: Fghfghfgh510 was my old username
• 19:56:34: The Crusader of Truth: Most creative username of all time
• 19:57:26: The Crusader of Truth: Two or three users still call me "Fgh" so I keep it as a ping
• 19:57:30: The Crusader of Truth: wb o/
• 19:57:38: The Great Laggi: (Parrot)
• 19:57:45: The Crusader of Truth: (parrot)
• 19:57:50: The Great Laggi: lol
• 19:57:56: The Great Laggi: ok
• 19:58:08: The Great Laggi: (dagoth)
• 19:58:18: Atvelonis: It was a strange choice of username for sure
• 19:58:22: The Great Laggi: dangit
• 19:58:23: RhodiumOdi: My chat is fucked I only send one in every 10 messages
• 19:58:47: The Crusader of Truth: Well, I had a method behind the name that I still somehow remember
• 19:58:48: The Great Laggi: i thought it would be big and take up most the chat
• 19:59:19: RhodiumOdi: That was my biggest fear before I was Staff, everyone had good usernames and mine was trash
• 19:59:31: The Great Laggi: nah
• 19:59:36: The Great Laggi: mine is trash
• 19:59:46: The Crusader of Truth: F, g, and h are all next to each other on the keyboard. Then I just hit it 3 separate times. The F has the little mark, and three letters, three times. I was like 11 when I made the username, and I wanted something I could remember.
• 19:59:57: The Crusader of Truth: So there was a method behind Fghfghfgh510
• 20:00:08: The Great Laggi: makes sense
• 20:00:10: Crazykhajiitlady: Makes sense
• 20:00:14: The Great Laggi: lol
• 20:00:31: The Crusader of Truth: Granted let's be honest
• 20:00:38: The Crusader of Truth: The username was trash lmao
• 20:00:41: The Great Laggi: you guys should totally make a sheogorath emote
• 20:00:46: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Cat Master!
• 20:00:48: Atvelonis: o/
• 20:00:57: The Great Laggi: O.
• 20:01:05: RhodiumOdi: We don’t need one we’ve like 50 sheogorath users lmao
• 20:01:11: The Great Laggi: oh
• 20:01:14: The Crusader of Truth: Psst Atv
• 20:01:17: The Crusader of Truth: "When first entering Jorrvaskr, Athis starts a fist fight with Njada. If listening closely over the din of the battle, [[Skjor]] can be heard remarking, "Are these two at it again?", indicating that Athis has been in brawls with Njada in the past."
• 20:01:21: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 20:01:31: The Crusader of Truth: "Are these two at it again," would be correct right?
• 20:01:55: The Great Laggi: so
• 20:02:02: The Great Laggi: shall we begin?
• 20:02:03: The Crusader of Truth: If I have 1650 more pages to go I might as well make sure they're right
• 20:02:17: RhodiumOdi: Give it 5 I think
• 20:02:18: The Crusader of Truth: Meh not yet, wait a few more minutes for stragglers
• 20:02:24: Atvelonis: Actually it would be "Are these two at it again?,"
• 20:02:30: The Great Laggi: good point
• 20:02:45: Atvelonis: That and etc., always look weird but they're correct iirc
• 20:02:56: The Crusader of Truth: That triggers me
• 20:02:57: The Crusader of Truth: But okay
• 20:03:07: RhodiumOdi: It’s correct
• 20:03:18: RhodiumOdi: I was newspaperman
• 20:03:24: Atvelonis: Does anyone have actual moot topics today? Other than my single minor infobox change
• 20:03:28: The Great Laggi: I like (Kirby)
• 20:03:39: The Crusader of Truth: I have more of a discussion than a moot topic
• 20:03:53: The Great Laggi: yes?
• 20:04:11: The Crusader of Truth: It's no biggie though so I'm not adding it to the list, it can wait
• 20:04:20: The Great Laggi: oh
• 20:04:43: RhodiumOdi: This is how Crus is applying for admin
• 20:04:57: The Crusader of Truth: /It's no biggie though, so it can wait/
• 20:05:00: The Crusader of Truth: Pretty much
• 20:05:00: RhodiumOdi: ”Yeah no biggie whenever you’re ready”
• 20:05:29: The Crusader of Truth: When will I do anything important? Anywhere from 2 seconds to 18 years
• 20:05:46: The Crusader of Truth: You simply never know with me
• 20:06:21: Atvelonis: o/
• 20:06:23: The Supreme Argonian: Am I late?
• 20:06:24: KINMUNE: Hello there, Cörey!
• 20:06:24: The Crusader of Truth: Imma just apply right now
• 20:06:25: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 20:06:26: The Supreme Argonian: ALso hello.
• 20:06:33: The Crusader of Truth: Nah
• 20:06:39: The Great Laggi: O/
• 20:06:46: The Great Laggi: oh
• 20:06:46: The Crusader of Truth: I'll have to ban you because of that avatar, though
• 20:06:51: The Crusader of Truth: Only American flags allowed.
• 20:06:52: The Great Laggi: almost forgot
• 20:06:57: The Supreme Argonian: Oh no
• 20:07:05: The Supreme Argonian: It's a fake flag don't worry
• 20:07:11: The Great Laggi: (sweetroll)
• 20:07:16: The Great Laggi: there
• 20:07:17: The Supreme Argonian: We don't *actually* want the Welsh on it ew
• 20:07:22: The Crusader of Truth: But it's not a m e r i c a n
• 20:07:27: The Great Laggi: now I am ready
• 20:07:33: The Crusader of Truth: It needs more oil
• 20:07:38: The Great Laggi: no
• 20:07:40: RhodiumOdi: Crusader Of Manifesting Destiny
• 20:07:45: The Supreme Argonian: Shut up my wallpaper is American
• 20:07:51: The Supreme Argonian: And my WhatsApp wallpaper
• 20:07:55: The Great Laggi: it needs more (sweetroll)
• 20:07:59: The Supreme Argonian: And my WhatsApp profile picture
• 20:08:15: The Great Laggi: (sweetroll)!
• 20:08:26: The Great Laggi: REEE
• 20:08:32: The Crusader of Truth: When you look at the history textbooks of the lady flying across America representing manifest destiny, you actually look at my last incarnation
• 20:08:41: The Great Laggi: wow
• 20:08:48: The Great Laggi: (kappa)
• 20:09:06: The Crusader of Truth: @Atv Ready to start?
• 20:09:08: The Supreme Argonian: I don't look at the history textbooks of the lady flying across America representing manifest destiny.
• 20:09:13: Atvelonis: One min
• 20:09:17: The Great Laggi: i am ready
• 20:09:29: The Supreme Argonian: Prepare your o v a r i e s
• 20:09:32: The Supreme Argonian: I'm sorry
• 20:09:34: RhodiumOdi: No
• 20:09:43: The Great Laggi: here are free sweetrolls
• 20:09:49: The Crusader of Truth: https://i2.wp.com/mysticpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/American_progress.jpg?resize=800%2C445&ssl=1
• 20:09:51: The Supreme Argonian: Oh okay I'll spare yours Odi
• 20:09:53: The Great Laggi: (sweetroll)
• 20:09:55: The Crusader of Truth: That image is me
• 20:09:58: The Great Laggi: there
• 20:10:00: RhodiumOdi: I miss Qahn
• 20:10:06: The Supreme Argonian: It's LaDy BrItAnNiA
• 20:10:11: RhodiumOdi: Who can I call a fag now
• 20:10:15: The Supreme Argonian: What happened to Qahn?
• 20:10:20: The Supreme Argonian: M e
• 20:10:25: The Great Laggi: might as well take one before we start
• 20:10:33: The Crusader of Truth: Qahn was a threat to my power, so I removed him
• 20:10:42: The Supreme Argonian: Oh okay fair enough
• 20:10:44: The Great Laggi: how
• 20:10:46: The Supreme Argonian: Can I remove you?
• 20:10:51: The Crusader of Truth: No
• 20:10:52: The Supreme Argonian: You're a threat to my power
• 20:10:55: The Supreme Argonian: Oh
• 20:10:56: RhodiumOdi: Atv leggo
• 20:11:00: The Great Laggi: how was he a threat
• 20:11:02: Atvelonis: Ok
• 20:11:05: The Crusader of Truth: Atv is next (kappa)
• 20:11:05: Atvelonis: I'll start us off
• 20:11:11: The Great Laggi: k
• 20:11:21: Atvelonis: So my proposal for today is very minor. If you look at the templates {{Deity}} and {{Daedric prince}}, you'll notice that they each happen to have the variable "gender." These are some of the oldest templates on the wiki and are mostly holdovers from before we knew better.
• 20:11:50: The Crusader of Truth: I'm happy that I already know where this is going.
• 20:11:57: The Great Laggi: ok
• 20:12:04: Flightmare: We're writing history.
• 20:12:06: The Supreme Argonian: Non-binary Daedra
• 20:12:18: Atvelonis: I'd like to suggest that we remove this variable from both templates. I think this gives readers the false impression that these entities do have genders - this is false. Both Aedra and Daedra are genderless, and only choose to manifest as specific genders to mortals (even then it's not always clear-cut (Hermaeus Mora is a giant blob of spaghetti, for instance). Having the variable there is useless. Readers can tell how we perceive them from the pronouns used in the article or the article image.
• 20:12:20: The Great Laggi: THIS IS IMPORTANT PEOPLE
• 20:12:24: The Crusader of Truth: Caps plz
• 20:12:29: KINMUNE: Hello there, Amulet of Kings!
• 20:12:31: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 20:12:32: Atvelonis: Hi
• 20:12:40: The Supreme Argonian: o/
• 20:12:40: Amulet of Kings: o/
• 20:12:40: RhodiumOdi: O/
• 20:12:41: The Great Laggi: i know
• 20:12:47: RhodiumOdi: Henlo fren
• 20:12:55: The Great Laggi: o/
• 20:13:02: The Supreme Argonian: We could put like "gender appearance" or something idk
• 20:13:06: Atvelonis: Right now we sometimes write "Genderless - manifests as female" or something. Even that I think isn't necessary given the article image.
• 20:13:16: The Supreme Argonian: Ah
• 20:13:17: Amulet of Kings: What is the topic?
• 20:13:19: Atvelonis: If they have a gender-specific form that they manifest in, you can tell visually
• 20:13:19: The Great Laggi: true
• 20:13:22: The Crusader of Truth: It would be better to simply remove it, as they have no official gender
• 20:13:31: Atvelonis: Removing gender variable from aedra/daedra infoboxes @amulet
• 20:13:33: The Crusader of Truth: Genders in deity and daedric prince temps.
• 20:13:37: The Crusader of Truth: o h
• 20:13:37: The Great Laggi: i approve
• 20:13:44: The Great Laggi: (+)
• 20:13:44: The Supreme Argonian: Do we vote?
• 20:13:51: The Supreme Argonian: Yet
• 20:14:01: The Crusader of Truth: I don't think anyone has any complaints
• 20:14:04: The Crusader of Truth: It's fairly clear cut
• 20:14:14: Atvelonis: Vote: "Remove the "gender" variable from the {{Deity}} and {{Daedric prince}} infoboxes, as they are not relevant to these entities."
• 20:14:15: The Great Laggi: ok
• 20:14:16: Atvelonis: (+)
• 20:14:17: RhodiumOdi: I think removing it is fine assuming we make it clear why it’s not there. Like, mention in Trivia that Daedra and Andra don’t have genders.
• 20:14:22: The Great Laggi: (+)
• 20:14:23: Flightmare: (+)
• 20:14:24: Atvelonis: 3-0-0
• 20:14:26: The Supreme Argonian: (+)
• 20:14:34: The Crusader of Truth: @Everyone [[Amulet of Kings Atvelonis Cörey Flightmare Away KINMUNE Nekyn Alb Away RhodiumOdi Stygies VIII Away The Cat Master The Great Laggi The Supreme Argoni| ]] Vote
• 20:14:35: The Cat Master: (+)
• 20:14:38: Cörey: (+)
• 20:14:38: The Crusader of Truth: (+)
• 20:14:40: Atvelonis: 7-0-0
• 20:14:46: The Great Laggi: Ok
• 20:14:48: The Supreme Argonian: It's not Discord Crus
• 20:14:59: The Crusader of Truth: No, but I pinged everyone who has pings on
• 20:15:10: RhodiumOdi: (+)
• 20:15:13: The Supreme Argonian: n o t m e
• 20:15:15: Atvelonis: 8-0-0
• 20:15:18: Atvelonis: Turn pings on then
• 20:15:22: The Great Laggi: the desision has been made
• 20:15:22: The Supreme Argonian: They are
• 20:15:28: Amulet of Kings: (-) , not that it will make a difference
• 20:15:34: The Supreme Argonian: Why?
• 20:15:39: Atvelonis: 8-0-1
• 20:15:49: Atvelonis: Any other votes?
• 20:16:08: The Crusader of Truth: [[Amulet of Kings Atvelonis Crazykhajiitlady Cörey Flightmare Away KINMUNE Nekyn Alb Away RhodiumOdi Stygies VIII Away The Cat Master The Great Laggi The Supreme Argonian| ]] Vote heathens (kappa)
• 20:16:15: The Crusader of Truth: (plz)
• 20:16:16: The Supreme Argonian: Why did heathens ping me
• 20:16:24: The Great Laggi: i think khajit has something to say
• 20:16:25: The Supreme Argonian: How did you k n o w
• 20:16:51: The Crusader of Truth: They were here earlier
• 20:16:51: The Great Laggi: she just needs to know what we are talking about
• 20:16:57: The Great Laggi: oh
• 20:17:03: The Supreme Argonian: Is (>) a thing
• 20:17:04: The Supreme Argonian: Ah
• 20:17:20: RhodiumOdi: Atv, we good?
• 20:17:34: The Great Laggi: has the decision been made?
• 20:17:35: The Crusader of Truth: Atvelonis: I think so yeah
• 20:17:47: Atvelonis: Yes
• 20:17:51: The Great Laggi: ok
• 20:17:58: Atvelonis: So moving on: Crusader's "discussion topic"
• 20:18:01: Atvelonis: Whatever that means :)
• 20:18:08: The Great Laggi: (kappa)
• 20:18:09: The Supreme Argonian: This should be good
• 20:18:23: The Great Laggi: definitley
• 20:18:24: The Supreme Argonian: (pacman)
• 20:18:25: The Crusader of Truth: (kappa)
• 20:18:29: The Crusader of Truth: ban discussions k thx bye
• 20:18:30: RhodiumOdi: “Kissing- Is it gay?”
• 20:18:34: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
• 20:18:35: The Crusader of Truth: Okay
• 20:18:38: The Crusader of Truth: Serious face
• 20:18:39: The Supreme Argonian: 100%
• 20:18:54: The Supreme Argonian: Can I have the /d instead
• 20:19:09: RhodiumOdi: No it’s Amulets’
• 20:19:16: Amulet of Kings: Only mine
• 20:19:17: The Crusader of Truth: Okay so, probably only like 2 people here know this but I've been trying to work on a template that automatically does ingredients for Morrowind
• 20:19:28: The Supreme Argonian: It'll always been yours as far as I'm concerned Odi lmao
• 20:19:43: The Great Laggi: go on
• 20:19:55: The Crusader of Truth: (Doesn't go on, leaves and never comes back)
• 20:20:02: The Great Laggi: lol
• 20:20:09: The Great Laggi: :D
• 20:20:10: The Crusader of Truth: The template would require more templates on each of the effects pages (Waterwalking etc)
• 20:20:24: The Crusader of Truth: I mostly just wanted to discuss it for two quick things
• 20:20:49: The Crusader of Truth: 1) This would be a decent amount of work 2) It doesn't hurt to make sure the community knows what's going on for shits and giggles and see if they have any input for it
• 20:21:06: Atvelonis: Context: on Morrowind ingredient pages there are these tables that list the effects https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Anther#Alchemical_effects
• 20:21:20: The Crusader of Truth: While I'm mentioning it, a huge amount of credit goes to [[User:Moviesign|]] for helping put the thing together
• 20:21:30: The Great Laggi: yay
• 20:21:37: Atvelonis: (Crusader's template would centralize this to some extent)
• 20:22:03: The Crusader of Truth: The templates would take the effect pages' data and the infoboxes and create more data
• 20:22:10: KINMUNE: Hello there, TinyClayMan!
• 20:22:17: TinyClayMan: Greetings everyone
• 20:22:20: The Crusader of Truth: Note that this /needs/ the effect templates to work, which would be added too
• 20:22:21: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 20:22:23: The Great Laggi: o/
• 20:22:25: The Supreme Argonian: /o
• 20:22:28: Atvelonis: o/
• 20:22:39: The Supreme Argonian: Of course mine had to be the different one
• 20:22:55: The Supreme Argonian: o\
• 20:23:01: RhodiumOdi: How long have you been working on this ?
• 20:23:01: The Supreme Argonian: Y e s
• 20:23:19: The Crusader of Truth: A few days before my internet went out last week, and then again starting yesterday
• 20:23:31: The Crusader of Truth: So like 4 working days but like 2 weeks time total
• 20:23:31: TinyClayMan: Is there any expert on TESO? Does neutral/friendly npcs' health vary with lvl?
• 20:23:50: Atvelonis: It's apparently constant
• 20:23:52: The Supreme Argonian: So basically you want to add a template to every effects page
• 20:23:58: TinyClayMan: Okay, thanks
• 20:24:02: The Crusader of Truth: Morrowind effects pages
• 20:24:04: The Supreme Argonian: Which has something or other to do with ingredients
• 20:24:04: Stygies VIII: ohhhhh heck I forgot to look here
• 20:24:06: The Supreme Argonian: Yeah
• 20:24:07: Stygies VIII: um hello
• 20:24:09: The Great Laggi: (Kirby)
• 20:24:12: The Supreme Argonian: o\
• 20:24:14: KINMUNE: Hello there, Bronkiin!
• 20:24:15: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 20:24:17: The Supreme Argonian: o\
• 20:24:17: Stygies VIII: hey
• 20:24:20: The Great Laggi: (kirby)
• 20:24:22: Bronkiin: yo
• 20:24:26: RhodiumOdi: o/
• 20:24:28: The Great Laggi: o/
• 20:24:30: The Crusader of Truth: Again, it doesn't hurt to keep you guys in on this because y'all might have ways to make it better
• 20:24:34: Atvelonis: @Crusader: How exactly does the template draw the table data?
• 20:24:36: Atvelonis: hi bron
• 20:24:46: The Crusader of Truth: The data will be put into a template on the effects page
• 20:24:54: The Crusader of Truth: (More dont worry)
• 20:24:59: Atvelonis: Effects ([[]]Morrowind)?
• 20:25:10: The Crusader of Truth: No, individual effects such as Water Walking (Morrowind)
• 20:25:25: The Crusader of Truth: From there, the ingredients page will have a template that will call two things
• 20:25:42: The Crusader of Truth: 1) The effects listed in the infobo
• 20:25:43: The Crusader of Truth: x
• 20:26:04: The Supreme Argonian: I'm confused sorry
• 20:26:06: The Crusader of Truth: 2) Taking those effects listed, the information on the effects page
• 20:26:19: The Great Laggi: (Kirby) (kirby) (kirby) (kirby) (kirby) (kirby) (kirby) (kirby) (kirby) (kirby)
• 20:26:26: The Crusader of Truth: It's a very confusing concept to grasp until you mostly get it, so that's okay
• 20:26:34: The Great Laggi: and the rest did not work
• 20:26:38: The Crusader of Truth: Please stop spamming Kirbys, Laggi
• 20:26:47: The Great Laggi: >:(
• 20:26:49: Flightmare: There's a maximum of 5 per post.
• 20:26:50: The Supreme Argonian: Templates are those box things right? Like {{Stub}} or whatever it is for a stub
• 20:26:52: The Great Laggi: ok
• 20:26:57: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
• 20:27:11: The Great Laggi: i just like kirby
• 20:27:12: The Crusader of Truth: In the simplest way I can put it
• 20:27:16: The Great Laggi: :p
• 20:27:22: The Supreme Argonian: So you want to add one of those to every Morrowind effects page? What will it do?
• 20:27:23: The Crusader of Truth: It's a template going on a page to allow another template to work
• 20:27:28: The Great Laggi: ok
• 20:27:29: The Supreme Argonian: Uhh okay
• 20:27:53: The Supreme Argonian: How will that template allow the ones on the effecs pages to work?
• 20:27:58: The Great Laggi: it acts like a key of sorts to unlock another template
• 20:27:59: The Great Laggi: ?
• 20:28:07: The Crusader of Truth: Sort of
• 20:28:25: The Great Laggi: i got it kinda accurate
• 20:28:27: The Great Laggi: yay
• 20:28:33: The Crusader of Truth: It takes the effects pages, and connects to everything sort of like a web
• 20:28:49: The Great Laggi: ah
• 20:28:50: The Great Laggi: ok
• 20:28:53: The Crusader of Truth: Taking the data from the page, and loading the data required from another
• 20:29:02: The Supreme Argonian: If you've got the time could you explain it on my talkpage? If I can understand it properly I'll try to help
• 20:29:17: The Supreme Argonian: o/
• 20:29:33: Atvelonis: I think I see
• 20:29:40: The Great Laggi: i
• 20:29:43: The Great Laggi: oh
• 20:29:49: The Great Laggi: he left
• 20:29:51: Amulet of Kings: Whops
• 20:29:56: The Crusader of Truth: Everyone down with it, or see any problems with it? (not voting m8s)
• 20:29:58: The Supreme Argonian: o/
• 20:30:07: Atvelonis: So on https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Anther for instance you can see the four "Alchemical effects" in the infobox
• 20:30:07: The Great Laggi: i am good with it
• 20:30:24: The Great Laggi: seems like it would help out a lot
• 20:30:26: Atvelonis: So this template would draw that infobox data, and then place it in the table under the "Alchemical effects" section
• 20:30:27: The Supreme Argonian: I don't understand it tbh so I'll stay neutral
• 20:30:36: The Supreme Argonian: Will it just be a case of adding templates to pages?
• 20:30:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: (-) idk what we're talking about, but i oppose
• 20:30:41: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
• 20:30:41: The Supreme Argonian: Because that I can do
• 20:30:45: Atvelonis: And then the compatible ingredients are listed under that
• 20:30:51: The Crusader of Truth: And I just said not voting y'all shush
• 20:30:51: The Supreme Argonian: Ohhhh
• 20:30:57: The Great Laggi: (+)
• 20:31:09: The Supreme Argonian: So it's a template that has all the ingredients shown?
• 20:31:09: The Crusader of Truth: Yes, and it draws information from the effects pages too
• 20:31:13: Amulet of Kings: But where does the template get the info from?
• 20:31:21: Atvelonis: That's what I'm not clear on
• 20:31:21: The Crusader of Truth: Other templates
• 20:31:29: Atvelonis: How does it get the list of compatible ingredients?
• 20:31:32: The Supreme Argonian: Wait how does it know which ingredients are for what effect
• 20:31:33: The Supreme Argonian: Yeah
• 20:31:33: Atvelonis: To list underneath the 4 big ones
• 20:31:45: Atvelonis: *effects
• 20:31:49: The Crusader of Truth: One second
• 20:31:57: The Crusader of Truth: I completely forgot we have a working example
• 20:32:05: The Crusader of Truth: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Moviesign/Sandbox
• 20:32:08: The Supreme Argonian: (clap)
• 20:32:21: The Supreme Argonian: (very slow clap)
• 20:32:40: The Crusader of Truth: Thank you for the clapping
• 20:32:47: The Great Laggi: yay
• 20:32:59: The Great Laggi: (actual clapping)
• 20:33:00: Atvelonis: I still don't get where it draws the list of other ingredients from
• 20:33:32: The Supreme Argonian: Oh no
• 20:33:46: The Supreme Argonian: Wait what
• 20:33:46: The Supreme Argonian: ^
• 20:33:49: The Supreme Argonian: Now it works
• 20:34:12: The Crusader of Truth: One second
• 20:34:36: The Crusader of Truth: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Moviesign/IngredientsTable
• 20:34:49: Atvelonis: I see vaguely on Moviesign's sandbox how they connect - the GetIngredients page and the GetIngredientsList page
• 20:35:00: Atvelonis: But there seems to be a script involved or something
• 20:35:03: The Supreme Argonian: Just tell me what to type and I'm happy
• 20:35:22: The Great Laggi: That crusader is the best
• 20:35:22: The Crusader of Truth: DPL, which draws the info from the infobox
• 20:35:30: The Great Laggi: type that
• 20:35:34: The Crusader of Truth: And from other templates.
• 20:35:38: Atvelonis: But
• 20:35:42: Atvelonis: uhh
• 20:36:07: The Supreme Argonian: If Atv can't grasp this I don't have the slimmest hope rip
• 20:36:08: Atvelonis: Where are the ingredients lists stored?
• 20:36:20: The Crusader of Truth: The effects pages
• 20:36:28: The Crusader of Truth: That's why it has to be on the effects pages
• 20:36:37: Atvelonis: So it's gathering the data from all the effects pages at once?
• 20:36:40: Atvelonis: The DPL?
• 20:36:49: The Supreme Argonian: What's DPL?
• 20:36:49: The Great Laggi: that is impressive
• 20:36:58: Atvelonis: DynamicPageList
• 20:37:11: The Supreme Argonian: (confused)
• 20:37:31: The Crusader of Truth: Each effect is gathered from the table
• 20:37:33: The Crusader of Truth: So like
• 20:37:36: KINMUNE: Hello there, Starkiller131!
• 20:37:37: The Crusader of Truth: Water walking
• 20:37:45: The Supreme Argonian: o/
• 20:37:51: Amulet of Kings: o/
• 20:37:51: The Crusader of Truth: Red rose has water walking, and the infobox says that
• 20:38:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i have no idea what's going on, so i'll just abstain from this one
• 20:38:10: The Crusader of Truth: The template says "Okay, this has water walking. I'll go to that page, and grab that data, and show it here too."
• 20:38:18: Starkiller131: Oh moot, that explains a lot.
• 20:38:23: Starkiller131: XD
• 20:38:25: The Crusader of Truth: Then it'll move on to the next effect.
• 20:38:28: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 20:38:32: The Supreme Argonian: I'm still confused af
• 20:38:38: The Great Laggi: o/
• 20:38:38: Starkiller131: Consensus cat master
• 20:38:40: Atvelonis: Ohhhhhh
• 20:38:42: Atvelonis: I get it
• 20:38:45: The Supreme Argonian: I feel really stupid rn lmao
• 20:38:48: Atvelonis: I was mixing up my terms
• 20:38:53: The Crusader of Truth: Can I simply ragequit and cry in a corner
• 20:38:54: Amulet of Kings: But do you need to give him all the effects first?
• 20:38:59: Starkiller131: Consensus atvelonis
• 20:39:00: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
• 20:39:01: Atvelonis: Ok so uh
• 20:39:13: Atvelonis: The template first looks at the infobox, and sees what effects an ingredient has
• 20:39:14: The Crusader of Truth: Without all the effects, the list on the ingredients page doesnt work
• 20:39:27: The Great Laggi: a dud
• 20:39:27: Amulet of Kings: I understand it now
• 20:39:28: Atvelonis: It uses this and puts those 4 effects as the headers in a table
• 20:39:42: Atvelonis: And then it goes onto those pages, and looks at their individual ingredient lists
• 20:39:52: Atvelonis: i.e. for each effect, which ingredients can be used to make that effect happen
• 20:39:55: Atvelonis: And then adds those to a table
• 20:39:57: Atvelonis: I like it
• 20:40:00: The Crusader of Truth: Y E S
• 20:40:02: The Great Laggi: me too
• 20:40:03: Atvelonis: We just need to align it vertically
• 20:40:06: Atvelonis: The final table
• 20:40:20: The Crusader of Truth: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Moviesign/Sandbox
• 20:40:25: The Crusader of Truth: Table at the bottom?
• 20:40:28: Atvelonis: Yeah
• 20:40:30: The Supreme Argonian: So does each ingredient have 4 effects? I haven't played much of Morrowind
• 20:40:32: The Crusader of Truth: I thought it looked good to me :/
• 20:40:41: Atvelonis: They should start at the same point vertically
• 20:40:44: The Great Laggi: it is good
• 20:40:48: The Crusader of Truth: No, not all ingredients have 4 effects
• 20:40:48: Atvelonis: Instead of being centered vertically
• 20:40:58: The Crusader of Truth: But the differences (one has 3, for example) are accounted for.
• 20:41:26: The Crusader of Truth: Oh I gotcha Atv I was thinking something /way/ different and was lost
• 20:41:31: The Supreme Argonian: It's very complicated but I think I'm just about grasping it
• 20:41:32: The Great Laggi: lol
• 20:41:41: Atvelonis: |valign="top"|
• 20:41:43: The Supreme Argonian: So can someone tell me exactly what to type please lol
• 20:41:53: The Crusader of Truth: I mean
• 20:42:13: The Supreme Argonian: Is it just what's on that Moviestar page
• 20:42:17: The Crusader of Truth: I'd like to point out to you guys it took me an hour to grasp this concept too (although the convo was way slower)
• 20:42:18: The Crusader of Truth: So
• 20:42:25: The Supreme Argonian: Moviesign*
• 20:42:35: The Crusader of Truth: It's not like you guys are super slow and I'm a genius or anything. It is an extremely insane concept
• 20:42:37: The Great Laggi: it took me a minute
• 20:42:46: Atvelonis: Curious: on https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Anther the table there has an asterisk for ingredients that have "Multiple effects in common"
• 20:42:58: Atvelonis: Will this template keep that data as well? Or no?
• 20:43:14: Atvelonis: It's not necessary to readers' understanding, just curious
• 20:43:31: The Crusader of Truth: I don't believe there is a way to.
• 20:43:46: The Crusader of Truth: I can ask, however. I also didn't have any clue any of this existed before, so it could be possible.
• 20:44:07: The Great Laggi: my reaction to this:
• 20:44:11: The Great Laggi: FUTURE
• 20:44:17: The Supreme Argonian: Someone just tell me what to type please
• 20:44:17: The Great Laggi: FUTURE
• 20:44:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: caps
• 20:44:28: The Supreme Argonian: Stop s p a m m i n g
• 20:44:29: The Great Laggi: repeat 5 times
• 20:44:54: The Crusader of Truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk7IDVzLiQo
• 20:44:56: KINMUNE: Future! (Spongebob)
• 20:45:01: The Supreme Argonian: pLeAsE wHaT dO i TyPe
• 20:45:02: The Great Laggi: yeah
• 20:45:12: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: don't spam
• 20:45:21: The Supreme Argonian: Me?
• 20:45:22: Atvelonis: I was also wondering if there were some way to use <onlyinclude> to make this work but I don't think there is
• 20:45:30: The Crusader of Truth: @Argonian I'd rather have someone more experienced with templates working on this
• 20:45:32: Atvelonis: e.g. https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Daggers_(Skyrim)?action=edit and https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons_(Skyrim)?action=edit
• 20:45:35: The Supreme Argonian: Rip
• 20:45:48: The Great Laggi: i was actually thinking
• 20:45:57: The Supreme Argonian: So I'm guessing it's not just {{}}
• 20:46:05: The Great Laggi: maybe we can use this for other pages
• 20:46:16: The Supreme Argonian: Okie I gtg bye
• 20:46:18: Amulet of Kings: That is for including them on articles
• 20:46:19: The Crusader of Truth: @Atv why would you want onlyinclude?
• 20:46:21: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 20:46:35: The Supreme Argonian: Actually I'll just go AFK
• 20:46:54: Atvelonis: Look at the pages I linked, the content on Daggers (Skyrim) within <onlyinclude> is transcluded on Weapons (Skyrim)
• 20:47:08: Atvelonis: https://i.gyazo.com/f3c2261a544ff62ec20c86a4c2b352b5.png
• 20:47:21: Atvelonis: So the same tables appear on both but the data is stored on Daggers (Skyrim)
• 20:47:22: The Crusader of Truth: Oh I didn't think about the second page, I thought you intended them separate
• 20:47:27: The Crusader of Truth: My bad :D
• 20:47:45: Atvelonis: I think this wouldn't work because you can only do it once per page (?)
• 20:47:45: Flightmare: Includes won't get this done afaik. DPL is quite strong. This wiki makes really good use of it: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Berserker
• 20:47:56: Amulet of Kings: @The Supreme Argonian this is a template page: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Stub?action=edit
• 20:48:14: The Crusader of Truth: There's a very simple way to do this much more efficiently. e.g. Flightmare's link
• 20:48:14: Flightmare: DPL is heavily cached though, otherwise it would be really slow.
• 20:48:34: Flightmare: The second best alternative would be with Lua.
• 20:48:42: The Crusader of Truth: Fallout also uses a system to share data, but I don't remember what
• 20:48:46: Flightmare: But I'm not sure how good Lua is in fetching actual content.
• 20:48:50: Amulet of Kings: Does that mean loading times would increase?
• 20:48:58: The Great Laggi: :O
• 20:49:06: The Great Laggi: i hope not
• 20:49:08: Flightmare: Yes they would. But with good caching rules it won't be bad.
• 20:49:27: Flightmare: The caches do need to be refreshed every once in a while though.
• 20:49:30: Flightmare: And that takes time.
• 20:49:43: The Great Laggi: oh
• 20:50:02: The Great Laggi: *starts internally screaming in agony*
• 20:50:04: The Crusader of Truth: I would guess it would add maybe .1-.2 of a second at most?
• 20:50:06: Atvelonis: I think this is worth whatever negligible performance hit we get because it basically halves the number of ingredient lists we have to maintain
• 20:50:14: The Crusader of Truth: ^
• 20:50:30: The Crusader of Truth: There's also other extremely practical uses for this
• 20:50:34: The Crusader of Truth: Characters pages
• 20:50:41: The Great Laggi: *internal screaming intensifies*
• 20:50:50: Flightmare: The performance hit with DPL is a lot bigger I'm affraid. But as long as you use a strong cache there isn't any issue.
• 20:51:03: The Crusader of Truth: oof
• 20:51:07: Flightmare: Just keep in mind the cache needs to be kicked every now and then
• 20:51:08: The Great Laggi: ded
• 20:51:11: Flightmare: by a user or script.
• 20:51:40: The Crusader of Truth: I've mentioned it in Discord, but if we do character pages like this, all the data would be synced, which basically cuts hours off of work, and allows us to only have to change one variable whereas people forget to update both
• 20:51:46: Flightmare: At least after some changes. Though Morrowind isn't likely to receive any balance patches anytime soon.
• 20:51:53: The Crusader of Truth: I do have one question though for you Flightmare
• 20:52:19: The Crusader of Truth: Is there a way to get DPL to call all of the infoboxes in a category at one time?
• 20:52:36: The Crusader of Truth: Like, for example
• 20:52:37: The Crusader of Truth: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Crusader_of_Truth/Skyrim
• 20:52:40: Flightmare: I've tried this before to make auto-updated list of all weapon overview pages. But I failed.
• 20:52:43: Flightmare: My DPL sucks.
• 20:52:50: Flightmare: Though the GW2 example shows it is possible.
• 20:53:05: Flightmare: That being said they might user a newer version of the DPL plugin.
• 20:53:05: The Crusader of Truth: If it's possible, I'll look into it then.
• 20:53:12: Atvelonis: How would we script the cache kicking?
• 20:53:31: The Crusader of Truth: Wikia should do it automatically, correct?
• 20:53:33: Flightmare: Have some timed HTTP user agent (e.g. browser) load the page
• 20:53:36: Flightmare: every day
• 20:53:38: Flightmare: and then close it.
• 20:53:59: Flightmare: Usually it is some user that invokes the cache reset
• 20:54:11: Atvelonis: Could KINMUNE do it?
• 20:55:11: Flightmare: Probably
• 20:55:14: Flightmare: But the cache isn't our issue now.
• 20:55:22: Flightmare: btw GW2 has DPL3.0, we use 2.3
• 20:55:48: The Crusader of Truth: Yee that is true
• 20:55:56: Flightmare: They're different plugins too.
• 20:56:01: The Great Laggi: then what would the main issue be
• 20:56:04: The Crusader of Truth: Is there a way to get Wikia to update this wiki to update to 3.0 via S:C or would they not allow that?
• 20:56:24: The Crusader of Truth: It would smarter for us to update this stuff /before/ we rely on it for anything, after all
• 20:56:25: Flightmare: No, plugins have extremely low priority.
• 20:56:33: Flightmare: I've requested updates many times before.
• 20:57:00: The Crusader of Truth: Would it have to be site wide for them to update it?
• 20:57:07: The Crusader of Truth: I figured they could simply do it on this wiki
• 20:57:14: Flightmare: It'd be site-wide.
• 20:57:23: The Crusader of Truth: Heck, I see why that's a no then
• 20:57:41: The Crusader of Truth: Alright so basically
• 20:57:51: Flightmare: Wikis run in clusters, so it's multiple per server.
• 20:57:52: The Great Laggi: yes or no
• 20:58:29: The Crusader of Truth: I guess I keep looking to see what I can do about getting a synced DPL Morrowind ingredient table running, and we go from there with KINMUNE refreshing the cache?
• 20:58:45: The Crusader of Truth: Afterwards, we can look into seeing the same syncing process for character pages?
• 20:59:19: The Crusader of Truth: That's basically my plan if anyone doesn't have any better ideas
• 20:59:31: Flightmare: Refreshing the cache won't be needed very often.
• 20:59:48: Flightmare: It's better to just refresh it after any use has made a number of changes.
• 20:59:48: The Crusader of Truth: Yea, once the data gets added it should mostly be good
• 21:00:13: Atvelonis: Ok great
• 21:00:17: The Crusader of Truth: To make sure I have it right, simply opening and null editing the page should force the server to reload the cache right?
• 21:00:20: KINMUNE: Hello there, Emperor Jarjarkine!
• 21:00:23: Atvelonis: Heya Jarjar
• 21:00:24: The Crusader of Truth: o/
• 21:00:28: The Great Laggi: o/
• 21:00:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
• 21:00:32: Atvelonis: We're just finishing up the moot :P
• 21:00:41: Emperor Jarjarkine: Heya daamn so many peeps
• 21:00:45: Emperor Jarjarkine: *peoples !
• 21:02:06: The Great Laggi: a bit of awkward silence later
• 21:02:42: Emperor Jarjarkine: Afk
• 21:03:21: Atvelonis: Well that was all we had planned
• 21:03:29: Atvelonis: Are there any other last-minute topics?
• 21:03:37: Atvelonis: Crus do your @everyone witchcraft
• 21:03:54: The Crusader of Truth: Ska-doosh [[Amulet of Kings Atvelonis Cörey Away Emperor Jarjarkine Flightmare Away KINMUNE Nekyn Alb The Beautiful Princess Ashley The Great Laggi The Supreme Argonian Away| ]]
• 21:04:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i want to propose promoting me to admin and permabanning all other staff
• 21:04:22: The Crusader of Truth: (+)
• 21:04:23: Flightmare: (+)
• 21:04:25: Atvelonis: (+)
• 21:04:28: The Great Laggi: (+)
• 21:04:44: The Crusader of Truth: /me resigns the second before the vote is complete
• 21:04:48: Atvelonis: lol
• 21:04:57: The Great Laggi: hahaha
• 21:05:03: Flightmare: I'll go ahead and close the wiki.
• 21:05:12: The Great Laggi: ok
• 21:05:16: Atvelonis: So if there are no more topics, the moot is over
• 21:05:23: Amulet of Kings: Aren't we going to vote on Crus' topic?
• 21:05:30: The Crusader of Truth: Now, for the more important vote that we do every month, can I be admin (kappa)
• 21:05:32: Atvelonis: Well it was more of a discussion topic since he was already planning on it
• 21:05:40: Amulet of Kings: Ok
• 21:05:40: The Crusader of Truth: ^
• 21:05:42: Atvelonis: Just getting the word out
• 21:05:43: The Great Laggi: wow lo
• 21:05:47: The Great Laggi: l
• 21:06:00: The Crusader of Truth: I'd rather keep everyone informed since it's a semi big thing
• 21:06:10: The Great Laggi: yeah
• 21:06:14: The Crusader of Truth: Bigger than a lot that we've had planned in a while
• 21:06:27: Amulet of Kings: a semi big bang
• 21:06:47: The Crusader of Truth: Not to mention the stuff that might end up springing off of it, this could be big news
• 21:06:47: The Great Laggi: a semi explosion
• 21:07:09: The Great Laggi: true
• 21:07:17: The Crusader of Truth: @Atv Want me to do the update right?
• 21:07:20: The Great Laggi: this could change
• 21:07:26: The Great Laggi: everything
• 21:07:27: The Crusader of Truth: And of course, I got the moot logs @8
• 21:07:33: Atvelonis: Yeah
• 21:07:40: Atvelonis: I'll bot the {{Deity}} stuff
• 21:07:51: The Crusader of Truth: Darn I was gonna call that too
• 21:07:57: The Crusader of Truth: It was your topic tho so fair
• 21:08:19: The Great Laggi: we are done here?
• 21:08:21: The Crusader of Truth: I'll get to work on the update at 7ish, until then, more bot stuff and crusader kings
• 21:08:22: The Crusader of Truth: Yes
• 21:08:32: The Great Laggi: ok
• 21:08:56: The Great Laggi: then I will probably see you next moot
• 21:09:13: The Great Laggi: on may 5th
• 21:09:19: The Great Laggi: bye
• 21:09:42: The Supreme Argonian: o/
• 21:09:57: Amulet of Kings: I need to write a post now, so bye o/
• 21:12:30: The Crusader of Truth: Well, there is no time like the present
• 21:12:38: Atvelonis: I love regex
• 21:12:44: Atvelonis: \|\s*gender\s*=([^\|]*)
• 21:12:50: The Crusader of Truth: So in that case, I'm going to go sacrifice children to satan in Crusader Kings 2
• 21:12:55: The Crusader of Truth: //delete the genders//
• 21:13:52: The Crusader of Truth: Honestly though that is the best regex command ever
• 21:13:59: The Crusader of Truth: And with that, I'm gone o/
• 21:19:50: RenzXVI: Cörey is here!? O_o
• 21:19:59: Atvelonis: He's in the Discord server too
• 21:20:52: RenzXVI: Is there a moot or something?
• 21:22:17: RenzXVI: Yeah, I checked Slack. :p
• 21:22:28: RenzXVI: I thought I'd manage to see it.
• 21:23:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: moot just ended
• 21:24:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
• 21:25:50: RenzXVI: I thought there would be something big because of the video thing, but I guess it's not really TES wiki's fault.
• 21:25:55: KINMUNE: Hello there, Rozty!
• 21:26:03: Rozty: Hey
• 21:26:11: Rozty: I'm guessing the moot ended?
• 21:26:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
• 21:26:27: Rozty: Oof
• 21:26:49: Rozty: It was a short one this time?
• 21:27:47: Rozty: Anyway, since I missed that I'm out now
• 21:27:53: Rozty: Cya
• 21:40:47: KINMUNE: Hello there, Donkong!
• 21:40:58: Donkong: Is it possible to defeat a blood dragon only in simple clothes?
• 21:41:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
• 21:41:10: Donkong: ok
• 21:41:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: simply damage it enough and it'll die
• 21:41:38: Donkong: I just did it
• 21:42:54: Donkong: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1355442256
• 21:43:03: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: good for you
• 21:43:10: Donkong: *bigrin*
• 21:45:47: Donkong: Dawnbreaker's my bow with steel arrows and recovery spells were helpful
• 21:47:04: Donkong: I did not even notice that I was wearing the clothes instead of my heavy armor
• 21:47:11: Donkong: XD
• 21:47:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: why were you wearing clothes?
• 21:49:08: Donkong: From the Daedra Quest in Solitude
• 21:50:06: Donkong: The one with Sheogorath
• 21:50:30: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the mind of madness?
• 21:52:00: Donkong: Yes
• 21:52:06: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah