- 04:59:22: KINMUNE: Hello there, Qahnaarin1997!
- 04:59:30: Qahnaarin1997: /me punches KINMUNE
- 04:59:32: KINMUNE: Yol Toor Shul!
- 04:59:38: Qahnaarin1997: Hello KINMUNE
- 05:02:04: RenzXVI: Qahnaarin1997, I just realized yesterday that Cable on Deadpool 2 is Josh Brolin. And he's also Thanos lol
- 05:03:14: Qahnaarin1997: Mother of god
- 05:03:19: Qahnaarin1997: It took you that long?
- 05:03:45: RenzXVI: Yeah, I suck with faces. XD
- 05:04:09: RenzXVI: I always knew he was Thanos but I didn't realize he was Cable, only yesterday when I repeated it again and read the credits.
- 05:04:56: Qahnaarin1997: lol
- 05:06:02: RenzXVI: Speaking of Cable, I know nothing about him, he isn't a mutant, right? But he's Cyclop's son, I know.
- 05:06:50: RenzXVI: I also don't know the specifics of his disease, I guess I need to research now. XD
- 05:09:18: RenzXVI: Oh, so he is a mutant, slightly has Jean Grey's power.
- 05:09:34: RenzXVI: I guess that's how his gun follows him around, I thought that was a magnetic device or whatever. Lol
- 05:09:43: RenzXVI: Since he was Mr. Cyborg.
- 05:10:08: RenzXVI: I assumed his floating gun was part of his gender.
- 12:48:12: Nekyn Alb: hi
- 12:51:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi, didn't realise i left this open
- 12:51:45: Nekyn Alb: I hear that pretty often. How do you people do that?
- 12:52:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: by heading off to do something else and forgetting to close chat
- 12:53:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: in this case, i was playing pokemon go
- 12:57:40: Nekyn Alb: what, like, outside and shit?
- 13:01:17: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yes
- 13:02:53: Nekyn Alb: damn
- 13:03:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i know "outside" is a scary place, but i'm brave, so i venture there occasionally
- 13:04:47: Nekyn Alb: r/outside isn't that scary
- 13:04:55: Nekyn Alb: there are some nice people there
- 13:05:01: Nekyn Alb: What did "I killed alduin" do?
- 13:05:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: being underage, spamming
- 13:08:10: Nekyn Alb: What kinda spam tho? I need a topic for tea time with the other grandmas
- 13:09:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: made about 10 nonsense posts in a row
- 13:12:26: Nekyn Alb: Nice
- 13:16:21: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: not nice. gives me lots of work
- 14:00:35: Ottoman Hold: I see you dealt with some shit earlier, Ashley. If it makes you feel any better, I did a few hours before you
- 14:01:20: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yup, that guy was annoying
- 14:01:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: what kind of shit did you deal with?
- 14:01:52: Ottoman Hold: Two guys kept trying to talk to each other.
- 14:02:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah yes, i saw some of that on slack
- 14:02:32: Ottoman Hold: Is there a reason why I killed alduin wasn't blocked?
- 14:02:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: idk. he should be.
- 14:06:12: Ottoman Hold: Yeah, I think Flight said he would, but the block log still has him as active. Let's hope he stays away
- 14:06:15: Nekyn Alb: Goddamn peasants who want to talk
- 14:08:19: Ottoman Hold: XD
- 14:09:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lol
- 14:58:17: Ottoman Hold: Rip chat xd
- 15:18:46: KINMUNE: Hello there, High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia!
- 15:18:55: Ottoman Hold: All hail, the high goddess!
- 15:19:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
- 15:20:24: Ottoman Hold: This reminds me of the days that the whole chat ~10 people would all play wolf. Us two and Bronkiin I think are the only ones left who did that XD
- 15:20:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
- 15:29:10: Nekyn Alb: Hey
- 15:30:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: sup :3
- 15:33:35: Ottoman Hold: So...shall we gossip about something?
- 15:34:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I signed up for German and French
- 15:35:04: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I just ordered my books
- 15:35:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: they should arrive in 3-6 days
- 15:35:15: Ottoman Hold: Deutschland ueber alles!!!
- 15:35:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: and I don't have to pay until 30.9.
- 15:35:48: Ottoman Hold: Be warned that French words are full of letters that are silent
- 15:36:02: Ottoman Hold: And that German causing quite a lot of spitting at times
- 15:36:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
- 15:36:31: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: Germans ruin everything
- 15:36:49: Ottoman Hold: Don't they make good cars and weapons tho
- 15:37:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: tig
- 15:37:43: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ig
- 15:37:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but they ruin media
- 15:37:51: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: and language
- 15:38:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: and food
- 15:38:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: and houses
- 15:38:35: Ottoman Hold: Their food is unhealthy, true
- 15:38:44: Ottoman Hold: But they have the best water
- 15:38:55: Ottoman Hold: Tap water is super smoot
- 15:38:59: Ottoman Hold: h
- 15:40:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: cool
- 15:41:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: it's awesm
- 15:41:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: awesome here too
- 15:41:40: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what if you can't afford a kitchen? do you just live with your parents for the rest of your life?
- 15:42:46: Ottoman Hold: No clue, but they're green, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were close to family and lived with them a lot in order to minimize travel and space.
- 15:44:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ic
- 15:44:28: Nekyn Alb: I see criticism of my Vaterland
- 15:44:31: Nekyn Alb: you need to be gassed
- 15:44:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: xD
- 15:45:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: are Transformers in the vehicle or action toy section?
- 15:45:14: Ottoman Hold: No...I don't want to go to the "showerhouse"...
- 15:45:44: Ottoman Hold: Transformer toys? Probably action
- 15:46:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
- 15:46:38: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: probably
- 15:46:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: hmm there's 4 Transformers in the cars section
- 15:48:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: there's no Transformers in the action sectionm
- 15:48:21: Ottoman Hold: Wut
- 15:48:26: Ottoman Hold: That's wierd
- 15:49:00: Ottoman Hold: I would think that cars would literally be stuff like Hot Wheels and other vehicles that didn't turn into robots
- 15:49:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: wtf they literally have no real Transformers
- 15:49:56: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: only cars
- 15:50:07: Ottoman Hold: Maybe they aren't popular anymore. Are you at a store?
- 15:50:21: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: no, webstore
- 15:50:25: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: and they're popular
- 15:50:33: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I bought one in Helsinki a few months ago
- 15:50:42: Nekyn Alb: but there are so many great new Transformers movies /d
- 15:50:45: Nekyn Alb: */s
- 15:50:48: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
- 15:50:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: this store sucks
- 15:51:28: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but I found another one a while back that has a really large selection and they ship
- 15:52:26: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: when was the last time there was a popular anime in the west
- 15:52:31: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: seems like a long time
- 15:52:38: Ottoman Hold: Is there a reason you need transformers?
- 15:52:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
- 15:52:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I love them
- 15:52:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: my closet is full of them
- 15:52:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: they're love
- 15:53:41: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I spend 80€ on them in Helsinki
- 15:55:30: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I currently own 44 Transformers
- 15:55:30: Ottoman Hold: I suppose everyone has their gimmicks. I, personally, like Legos. I'm not gonna lie; playing doomsday scenarios with a lego city is quite fun
- 15:57:31: Nekyn Alb: Lego is great
- 15:57:48: Nekyn Alb: Lego and Minecraft must have boosted each other so much
- 15:58:13: Ottoman Hold: I would say that, yes
- 15:58:32: Ottoman Hold: Even before the joined sets, they almost went with each other
- 15:58:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I also own 24 lego figures
- 16:00:05: Ottoman Hold: If you saw my collection, you'd probably think I'm insane.
- 16:00:22: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
- 16:00:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: no wait 32
- 16:01:19: Ottoman Hold: Just so you know the scope, I have enough to form a city, as well as enough Star-Wars themes stuff to literally have a Battle of the Five Armies, with space ships and all. Not only that, but a number of other things as well.
- 16:01:30: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: 8 Star Wars buildable figures, 10 Hero Factory and 14 Bionicles
- 16:01:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
- 16:02:06: Ottoman Hold: Yeah, I'm kinda weird.
- 16:03:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I have a story with all my toys that I'm probably gonna make into a book
- 16:03:15: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I've already mapped all the key events
- 16:03:54: Ottoman Hold: I did think about writing down a few things myself, but I was working on some other writing, so I never really did it
- 16:04:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: too bad
- 16:04:21: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: changing all the names is gonna be a pain tho xD
- 16:05:25: Ottoman Hold: The best way is to make each new name relate to the old one in some way, such as having the same letter to start, same syllables, or translating the name more or less into a different language
- 16:05:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: thanks
- 16:09:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lately all I've been doing when I come home from work is lie on my bed watching something on my phone
- 16:10:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't even bother turning on the computer
- 16:10:17: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: in bed 24/7
- 16:10:46: Ottoman Hold: I haven't been doing much either. I could be doing college stuff right now
- 16:11:01: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
- 16:11:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: the only reason I'm here is that I can't read
- 16:11:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I was ordering books and I can't read xD
- 16:12:33: Ottoman Hold: Reading is ok, but I just...don't. Dunno why
- 16:12:38: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I was wondering why the box didn't accept my username so I logged into the computer version on my computer and it said personal number, not username xD
- 16:14:40: Ottoman Hold: Whoops
- 16:17:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I'mma go to the library tomorrow to check if they have the books, incase they don't arrive in time
- 16:17:35: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but they should arrive in 3-6 days
- 16:17:42: Ottoman Hold: Wait...so you ordered books, but you're going to get them from the library anyway?
- 16:17:52: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes xD
- 16:18:15: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: the classes start in 2 weeks
- 16:19:12: Ottoman Hold: Ah, so they're textbooks. That makes more sense.
- 16:19:19: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
- 16:19:26: Ottoman Hold: I don't have a schedule yet, so I don't know what I will need.
- 16:19:28: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: German and French
- 16:20:15: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh you go to university?
- 16:20:32: Ottoman Hold: Just started, yeah
- 16:20:47: Ottoman Hold: First semester, they give the students the schedule rather late
- 16:21:04: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh
- 16:21:25: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I'm just taking courses at the community college for one
- 16:21:32: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: once a week in the evening
- 16:21:45: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: 40€/per course
- 16:22:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: 40€/per book
- 16:22:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: so that's 190€
- 16:22:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: can I count
- 16:22:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: no I can't
- 16:22:53: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: 170€
- 16:23:59: Ottoman Hold: Luckily, my parents are helping me with my payments, or else I'd be ~$50,000 American dollars in debt
- 16:24:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: O_O
- 16:24:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: that's an expensive education
- 16:24:47: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: my brother just started college last week
- 16:24:49: Ottoman Hold: Welcome to the US, where college is no where close to free
- 16:24:59: Ottoman Hold: That's even with a scholarship XD
- 16:25:03: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
- 16:25:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: my brother didn't apply for a scholarship and I think his total is like 9000€
- 16:26:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: my mother is paying for it
- 16:26:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: but that lazy bastard should work to pay for his own college
- 16:26:53: Ottoman Hold: To be honest, I could have applied to more scholarships, myself
- 16:27:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: he's too posh for a scholarship apparently
- 16:27:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh
- 16:30:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: what are you studying?
- 16:31:09: Ottoman Hold: Engineering, altough I cam
- 16:31:18: Ottoman Hold: *can't say what specific yet
- 16:31:22: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: cool
- 16:31:37: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I never went to college
- 16:31:39: Ottoman Hold: Probably more toward mechanical than a computer or something
- 16:32:01: Ottoman Hold: Do you work at McDonald's, then? :P
- 16:32:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: no xD I went to a vocational high school
- 16:32:29: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I'm a media-assistant
- 16:32:32: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: tho unemployed
- 16:35:37: Ottoman Hold: if it makes you feel any better, I'm unemployed too. I had to work on getting a US Driver's License. It's a long story why I haven't gotten it yet.
- 16:35:54: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh ic
- 16:36:00: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I can't afford a license
- 16:36:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: tho I have M and T license
- 16:37:11: Ottoman Hold: I'm gonna go exercise, so I'm afk, o/
- 16:37:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: cya \o
- 16:37:30: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: have fun
- 16:41:17: KINMUNE: Hello there, Werefox99!
- 16:41:22: Werefox99: Hello
- 16:41:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello o/ :3
- 16:41:32: Werefox99: How are you?
- 16:41:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: aight, you?
- 16:42:03: Werefox99: Okay
- 16:42:17: Werefox99: THanks for asking
- 16:57:19: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: np :3
- 17:35:14: Ottoman Hold: /me hugs KINMUNE
- 17:35:15: KINMUNE: Zii-los Dii Du!
- 17:48:53: Ottoman Hold: [[User:Ottoman_Hold|Test]]
- 17:49:10: Ottoman Hold: [https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ottoman_Hold Testing again]
- 17:49:20: Ottoman Hold: What is going on XD
- 17:56:10: Nekyn Alb: That doesn't work in chat
- 17:56:29: Ottoman Hold: It used to. I was trying to see if it was something that was temporary
- 17:56:51: Nekyn Alb: I don't remember that ever working (thinking)
- 17:57:21: Ottoman Hold: I remember that Crusader and I would change the color of words as a joke way back
- 17:57:49: Nekyn Alb: how way back is that?
- 17:58:06: Ottoman Hold: Don't know, back when I was active in chat. Probably around late 2016
- 17:58:35: Nekyn Alb: hmm, they kinda revamped a bit of chat software last year or so I think
- 18:00:21: Ottoman Hold: I remember that that happened, but I don't know if the color was taken away. Personally, it's a silly thing to do intentionally, so it was probably something nobody noticed.
- 18:10:42: Nekyn Alb: It's extra css, so they probably just didn't know about it and no one fixed it yet
- 18:11:01: Ottoman Hold: A sad day. I can't play around anymore.
- 18:36:34: Ottoman Hold: o/
- 18:56:03: KINMUNE: Hello there, Vendratto!
- 18:56:11: Ottoman Hold: Hello
- 18:56:28: Vendratto: hello
- 18:56:49: Ottoman Hold: XD
- 19:34:56: Ottoman Hold: wb
- 19:35:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
- 19:36:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i read that I Killed Alduin has finally been banned
- 19:38:03: Ottoman Hold: That's good. Took long enough
- 19:38:42: Ottoman Hold: At least VOODOO DEVIL wasn't trying to spam; I killed alduin was doing it out of spite, I guess
- 19:39:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't really get why he wasn't banned when i first reported him
- 19:41:44: Ottoman Hold: Conspiracy: you are not a real staff member
- 19:42:10: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i also don't really get why /d mods can't ban people from /d
- 19:42:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: we're supposed to keep order, yet we can't even remove troublemakers
- 19:42:31: Ottoman Hold: I suppose it would give us too much power
- 19:42:44: Ottoman Hold: The Imperial Battlemage would have abused that in 2016
- 19:42:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
- 19:43:06: Ottoman Hold: There has to be some middle ground, tho
- 19:43:18: Ottoman Hold: Maybe a discussions only kind of ban
- 19:43:22: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: but others would have reverted his bans, and he'd be demoted
- 19:43:48: Ottoman Hold: That's also true, but it could have been a problem for others on different communities as well
- 19:44:14: Ottoman Hold: I guess I could think of a few ideas to email wikia about some time. Maybe some like a chat ban but only for discussions
- 19:44:55: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: besides, all staff can ban people from chat, even those with no mandate. that doesn't lead to corruption either
- 19:46:10: Ottoman Hold: It doesn't any more, but back in 2014-15, it was insane. I didn't experience it myself, but I read some archived stuff about it. Perhaps the same could happen to discussions...or perhaps not. One thing's certain: we don't know until it's tried
- 19:46:19: Nekyn Alb: Since a lot of /d users are kids, it could lead to pretty bad results if an admin who doesn't care as much about /d appoints them
- 19:46:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
- 19:47:06: Ottoman Hold: Luckily, we learn from our mistakes. IBM got appointed too fast, so we devised better rules. I don't think it'll be a problem
- 19:49:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: an admin who doesn't care about the /d probably won't pay too much attention to whether his bans are just though
- 19:50:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: so if the admins don't care, the /d is fucked either way
- 19:51:30: Ottoman Hold: Do we even care about the discussions? Not really. Ironically, I stand almost with Shawn: if the discussions never existed, almost nothing would change, besides people like Carlo and Rozty not really joining the wiki
- 19:52:02: Ottoman Hold: Oh course, /d is here to stay, so in time, I'd assume even the most apathetic of admins across wikia would care
- 20:05:58: Ottoman Hold: wb
- 20:21:43: Ottoman Hold: KINMUNE, what am I going to do?
- 20:21:45: KINMUNE: Not even remotely.
- 20:21:54: Ottoman Hold: I knew I could count on you.
- 20:31:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: just realized chat froze on me
- 20:33:28: Ottoman Hold: whoops
- 20:33:44: Ottoman Hold: So, live action Disney movies: yes or no?
- 20:35:56: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: no
- 20:36:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: of the ones i've seen, the original, animated one was always the better one
- 20:36:54: Ottoman Hold: Agreed. Cash grabs at best. The rest of my family doesn't see
- 20:37:33: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: same
- 20:38:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: they insisted that i go watch the new beauty and the beast. i did, and i hated it.
- 20:38:14: Ottoman Hold: They keep talking about how they're so excited. I almost don't want to watch them, but they're mainstream enough that I kinda have to be in-touch with everything
- 20:38:47: Ottoman Hold: I can't say they're terrible, but the Beauty and the Beast one was basically a re-skin. It's the Skyrim Special Edition in all ways xd
- 20:39:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah. i'm supposed to be excited for the upcoming live-action Mulan, but i really don't give a shit
- 20:39:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: beauty and the beast was awful
- 20:39:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: worse in every way
- 20:40:10: Ottoman Hold: It saddens me. Mulan was a near-perfect movie back then. The only way it can improve is by making Shan-Yu (spelling) better, but I don't really see that happening
- 20:40:23: Ottoman Hold: Autotune was absolutely a problem, and will keep being one.
- 20:40:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i heard they're replacing Li Shang with some white dude as Mulan's love interest
- 20:41:12: Ottoman Hold: Too predictable
- 20:41:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: downright stupid if you ask me
- 20:41:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: there were no white folks in china back then
- 20:42:51: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: granted, there were also no fireworks and no great wall when the chinese fought the huns, but adding a white guy is just too much
- 20:43:54: Ottoman Hold: I suppose Disney really is running out of ideas. They canceled several new idea movies in favor of the live-action nonsense.
- 20:44:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: their animated movies are still good
- 20:44:37: Ottoman Hold: Of course, but that's probably because Pixar is involved. Frozen, in my opinion, is sub-par.
- 20:44:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: since the Princess and the Frog, all of their animated clasics have been decent to good
- 20:44:52: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: frozen is decent
- 20:45:05: Ottoman Hold: I know, I have a #unpopular opinion XD
- 20:45:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's by no means a bad movie, but it doesn't deserve as much credit as it gets
- 20:45:42: Ottoman Hold: Most of my dislike probably stems from over-hype, and a negligence of seeing any faults at all.
- 20:46:00: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: yeah, that annoys me too
- 20:46:26: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: the music was among the best disney has ever produced, but the story barely made any sense
- 20:46:44: Ottoman Hold: Certain things are good: Having Elsa not be the villain, Sven not being specifically Anna's companion, more or less the invasion scene on the mountain
- 20:47:19: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true, and i also love how they shat on the concept of love on first sight
- 20:47:53: Ottoman Hold: I agree to that, but not exactly how they did it.
- 20:48:08: Ottoman Hold: they didn't seem to know what they wanted to do with Hans
- 20:48:43: Ottoman Hold: I watched some stuff on it, and it only confirmed my suspicions more: that they had no clue who the antagonist really was. Elsa? The Duke? Hans? Anna?
- 20:49:13: Ottoman Hold: The only thing I found that I liked was a theory about how the trolls might have been the puppet masters
- 20:49:58: Ottoman Hold: They handled the whole thing better in Once Upon a Time's rendition, but that didn't excuse the mistake
- 20:50:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i read somewhere that after writing let it go, they decided that an inspiring song like that couldn't be a villain song and they changed the whole movie around to make elsa a good guy
- 20:51:47: Ottoman Hold: That makes perfect sense, because that's how it felt to me. They started down that path, then made the duke be the big bad, then changed it again to be Hans...but it caused the villain's motives to get worse and worse XD
- 20:52:29: Ottoman Hold: Eventually, there was almost nothing at all. Sure, Hans is low on the heir pole, but doing what he did didn't make sense in the slightest to his character.
- 20:52:48: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i liked the character development all the good guys showed though
- 20:53:25: Ottoman Hold: 'Tis true. Elsa and Christoff were fun to watch. I felt that Anna didn't learn like anything, though...just to respect her sister more.
- 20:53:44: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she did come to understand what true love is
- 20:54:27: Ottoman Hold: Certainly
- 20:54:40: Ottoman Hold: Incest! :P
- 20:54:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: lolwut?
- 20:55:12: Ottoman Hold: Just kidding of course, but she did recognize that "loving" someone after a day isn't a thing
- 20:55:45: Ottoman Hold: And yet, enter Christof. Good guy, but she was basically doing the same thing with him. Although it probably works out, it's still the same fault.
- 20:55:59: Ottoman Hold: I like characters with faults, don't get me wrong
- 20:56:27: Ottoman Hold: But making the same mistakes over and over isn't a quality of a main character; that's reserved more for minor villains or side characters, really
- 20:58:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she bonded with Christoph over time, i wouldn't say that's the same as what happened with Hans
- 20:59:54: Ottoman Hold: It's not...but the quest itself didn't really last that long. It's very similar to a normal movie romance, of course, but I feel that with Anna's past, it feels all too much like a slight improvement rather than a major step forward.
- 21:02:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: btw it's christoph who first sacrificed himself for Anna, not the other way around. so she wasn't wrong in trusting him more than Hans
- 21:05:48: Ottoman Hold: Agreed
- 21:08:04: Ottoman Hold: It's just an odd parallel that doesn't look good for her, regardless of whether or not it's justified
- 21:08:19: Ottoman Hold: I'm just saying that it detracts from her "good" qualities
- 21:11:16: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true. though it was needed for the "love on first sight isn't true love" narrative
- 21:11:32: Ottoman Hold: Yeah, basically.
- 21:12:59: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: and i personally think it's very good that disney finally decisively broke with that "love on first sight" nonsense
- 21:13:27: Ottoman Hold: Personally, I don't think true love is a good plot device. Not only is it always done bad, but it's kinda ridiculous. Sure, they're fairy tales...but it breaks suspension of disbelief
- 21:14:35: Ottoman Hold: Once Upon a Time did it alright, since it was a fact of magical potency rather than a simple factoid, but it was still a little silly at times. I certainly hope that they're "love at first sight," nonsense is over. Curse you, Romeo and Juliet!
- 21:14:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it's ok if love is a big element, but it must be realistic love. not just 2 people looking at each other and thinking "wow, s/he's amazing, i must marry him/her"
- 21:15:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i hated snow and charming's love in once upon a time, but all the other relationships were good
- 21:16:26: Ottoman Hold: Agreed, although it became less important as time went on, so I noticed it less and less.
- 21:17:35: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it became important again when the evil queen put the sleeping curse on their shared heart
- 21:18:11: Ottoman Hold: by that point, it was more of a side quest anyway
- 21:18:16: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
- 21:18:38: Ottoman Hold: It was an interesting concept, though. It almost made fun of the fact that they split the heart in half
- 21:18:39: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it was only really important in season 1 and part of season 2
- 21:22:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: love stories like emma (heart) killian or regina (heart) robin were the real deal though
- 21:22:46: Ottoman Hold: They took a while to actually happen, which is how it should be in a situation.
- 21:22:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: exactly
- 21:23:07: Ottoman Hold: Sure, it was a few select adventures that they bonded on, but it wasn't all at once
- 21:23:31: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: though i should add that i didn't quite buy killian's sudden change to the good side at the end of season 2
- 21:24:08: Ottoman Hold: That was a bit weird for me as well. I would rather he be neutral for a while.
- 21:24:16: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: he was all "fuck rumplestiltskin" one moment, and the next moment, he let rumple come with him on his ship
- 21:25:05: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i'd have preferred it if his turn to good was gradual, like with regina or zelena
- 21:26:53: Ottoman Hold: Agreed, although Hook wasn't as "evil." He was more of a rogue, so the only thing that really needed to change was his revenge story, which ended up killing Cora/wiping Belle, so I guess he realized it was silly. Or, maybe, more importantly, the writers realized it was silly. I dunno. Retconned, I guess
- 21:28:07: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't really remember how cora died tbh. too long ago.
- 21:28:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: but wiping belle certainly wasn't enough revenge for hook
- 21:29:15: Ottoman Hold: >Hook stabs Rumpel outside of world >Rumpel is saved by one of the Charmings for Henry's sake, I think >Cora is killed with the two-wicked candle, which transfers lifeforce
- 21:29:18: Ottoman Hold: Something like that
- 21:29:37: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: ah yes, that
- 21:29:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i temember the candle killing cora, but not how exactly it worked
- 21:30:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: remember*
- 21:31:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i liked how that goody two-shoes Show White darkened her heart in this way
- 21:31:52: Ottoman Hold: I did as well. She was a bit too good until that point with all the "hope speeches,"
- 21:34:14: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i prefer characters with a capacity for both good and evil. characters that are wholly on one side of the spectrum are boring
- 21:34:45: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: that's what made rumpel so interesting. he did the right thing from time to time, but was constantly lured to the dark side
- 21:34:55: Ottoman Hold: And unrealistic. I'm fooling with that concept in a story I'm writing. I forget if I mentioned it earlier.
- 21:35:17: Ottoman Hold: It's why I didn't really like Cora. She was kinda pointlessly bad, although she got better in the underworld
- 21:35:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she was a heartless villain, which was exactly the point
- 21:36:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i like how she ended up that way though
- 21:36:24: Ottoman Hold: Her backstory was nice
- 21:37:05: Ottoman Hold: I just felt that she was a little too nasty at times. Her killing of Regina's dude (forget the name) was alright, but once she got into the real world, and wanted Regina to kill like everyone, it was a bit weird
- 21:37:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
- 21:37:34: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she wouldn't gain anything from that
- 21:37:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it was just stupid
- 21:39:01: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: her discarding Zelena as a baby was kinda weird to me too, as she had a heart back then
- 21:39:36: Ottoman Hold: Yeah I dunno about that, especially since she wanted her daughters to be all-powerful later,
- 21:40:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she wanted Regina to be all-powerful. she never held such desires for Zelena
- 21:42:33: Ottoman Hold: I don't remember, honestly. It's been years since I say that season.
- 21:43:03: Ottoman Hold: I still don't know how she was able to control Hell, though
- 21:43:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: she wasn't?
- 21:43:58: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: Hades was
- 21:44:33: Ottoman Hold: He was, but she was controlling the flames at that one part with Henry Sr.
- 21:44:42: Ottoman Hold: And I think a few others.
- 21:44:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: true
- 21:45:27: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it was also a bit weird to me how in earlier seasons, it was always stressed that there was no way to bring anyone back from the dead, yet when Hook died, it was suddenly possible
- 21:46:08: Ottoman Hold: In the writer's defense, it was because I think Zeus intervened, and it took a season for him to do it.
- 21:46:25: Ottoman Hold: But it was still a retcon
- 21:46:38: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it also took away from the significance of his self-sacrifice
- 21:47:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i hate retcons
- 21:48:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it just feels wrong when they do it
- 21:50:50: Ottoman Hold: Some can be good...although, in this case, it was random. In fact, there was only one mention of Zeus in the whole series until that point, which made it almost worse. It would be better if he had like a plotline in the Underworld, then got out next season from some other way
- 21:55:08: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: Zeus had been mentioned before?
- 21:55:25: Ottoman Hold: Maybe by Hercules or Hades, but in passing, at best
- 21:55:36: Ottoman Hold: I remember someone briefly saying it
- 21:56:42: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it does make sense for Zeus to exist if Hades exists though
- 21:57:36: Ottoman Hold: I was expecting to see him earlier in the season, honestly, so it didn't surprise me that Hook would get something like that, but it was still basically jumping the shark, so it could have been written better
- 21:58:29: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: in my opinion, Hook should have just stayed dead and the series should have moved somewhere other than the underworld
- 21:58:43: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: though i guess we did get to see hades' character develop
- 21:59:59: Ottoman Hold: I enjoyed the season otherwise, though. It didn't have Rumpel hiding his power from Belle anymore, and gave a chance to have some of the dead characters pop in again
- 22:04:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: it did have rumple hiding his power in the beginning (unlike the season before, where he didn't hide his power as he had no power to hide)
- 22:05:05: Ottoman Hold: True, but he was in the underworld for most of it, so I didn't care as much.
- 22:05:41: Ottoman Hold: Poor Hercules, though. He got like one episode
- 22:05:53: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't recall him ever hiding his power, just his lust for more power
- 22:06:51: Ottoman Hold: I suppose that better describes it
- 22:08:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i loved how he always ruined what he had with belle because he wasn't satisfied with the happy ending he got
- 22:09:33: Ottoman Hold: It was potent in I thing S6 when he realized that he always had the happy ending he wanted, but lost it due to his foolishness, and didn't want Gideon to follow down the same path.
- 22:10:54: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i don't get why rumple was always portrayed as "the evil one" though. he was morally grey, but not evil.
- 22:12:44: Ottoman Hold: I think that was the "good" characters not really being realistic. Some of their main faults stemmed from the fact that they actually only liked people that were good. That was one of the conflicts in S5, where they realized that they were being a bit hypocritical about people like Zelena and Rumpel
- 22:14:08: Ottoman Hold: gtg o/
- 22:14:12: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: bye
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