• 13:35:18: RenzXVI: Hey Nekyn. You never ate Shelfish?
  • 13:39:55: RenzXVI: I am watching Venom. If Stan Lee is in here, I'll cry for at least 20 mins.
  • 14:21:30: RenzXVI: Hi
  • 14:23:32: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: ello :3
  • 14:26:39: KINMUNE: Hello there, The Great Laggi!
  • 14:26:47: The Great Laggi: Morning
  • 14:26:50: RenzXVI: hi
  • 14:27:04: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: afternoon :3
  • 14:27:11: RenzXVI: Evening
  • 14:27:15: The Great Laggi: i hope you all have a good Christmas
  • 14:27:25: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: you too :3
  • 14:27:42: The Great Laggi: thanks
  • 14:27:46: RenzXVI: I am not a Christmas person.
  • 14:27:51: RenzXVI: But happy holidays.
  • 14:28:40: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I love christmas
  • 14:28:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: family and food, what's not to love? :3
  • 14:29:03: The Great Laggi: ikr
  • 14:29:09: RenzXVI: All of it.
  • 14:29:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
  • 14:29:17: RenzXVI: Well, except food.
  • 14:29:21: The Great Laggi: and presents from family
  • 14:29:35: RenzXVI: No amount of presents can bribe me to like it.
  • 14:29:42: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: we don't really do presents anymore cuz we all adults
  • 14:30:01: The Great Laggi: i am the sad one exception
  • 14:30:03: RenzXVI: What are you talking about? Adults get the most presents. Tube socks and office supplies.
  • 14:30:10: The Great Laggi: omg lol
  • 14:30:14: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
  • 14:30:42: RenzXVI: I got a towel and some spatulas last year.
  • 14:30:51: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I bought my mom chocolate as a present
  • 14:31:23: The Great Laggi: i got my mom jewelry, she says I have good tastes
  • 14:31:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: cool :3
  • 14:32:06: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: my mom really loves these chocolates, she can never get enough, she told us to collect them
  • 14:32:08: RenzXVI: My mom is like Finelia's mom, she likes chocolate. I guess some families prefer to eat jewelry.
  • 14:32:20: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
  • 14:32:41: The Great Laggi: haha
  • 14:33:12: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't really like these chocolates, they start tasting wonky after a few
  • 14:33:15: RenzXVI: I get lots of chocolate during valentines.
  • 14:33:23: RenzXVI: Well, used to. Lol
  • 14:33:31: RenzXVI: Now I get more chocolates on halloween.
  • 14:33:43: The Great Laggi: I get lots of candy in general
  • 14:33:51: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
  • 14:33:52: RenzXVI: Try different types of chocolates, there are hundreds of variations.
  • 14:34:02: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: we don't celebrate valentines or halloween :P
  • 14:34:10: The Great Laggi: ...
  • 14:34:13: RenzXVI: I loved these chocolate ball things with champagne inside.
  • 14:34:16: The Great Laggi: woe is you
  • 14:34:29: RenzXVI: I didn't know there was a country that didn't celebrate valentines.
  • 14:34:41: The Great Laggi: Same
  • 14:34:52: RenzXVI: Where is the love.
  • 14:35:10: RenzXVI: Maybe they are trying to discourage STDs lol
  • 14:35:24: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
  • 14:35:27: The Great Laggi: lol
  • 14:35:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: well I mean ig if you're in a relationship you celebrate it
  • 14:36:10: RenzXVI: Oh, so you meant just you? :p
  • 14:36:23: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: possibly yes
  • 14:36:32: The Great Laggi: sad
  • 14:36:40: Nekyn Alb: I don't like fish
  • 14:36:58: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I've never had a relationship or friends so no one to celebrate with
  • 14:37:04: RenzXVI: I celebrate it even if I'm single. Like, I talk about chocolate with my hottest female friends and they often get more than they can eat because they are popular so they give me some.
  • 14:37:13: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I don't like fish either
  • 14:37:27: RenzXVI: It's funny because the next day, I'd tell the guys who gave it to them that I liked their chocolates. XD
  • 14:37:40: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: not cooked fish anyway, sushi and salted and cold-smoked are delish :3
  • 14:37:41: The Great Laggi: i hate fish
  • 14:37:43: RenzXVI: Nekyn Alb, Fish isn't the same as shellfish. XD
  • 14:37:45: Nekyn Alb: What are y'all talking about?
  • 14:37:51: Nekyn Alb: It's a fish with shell
  • 14:37:53: RenzXVI: I dislike eating fish but shellfish is awesome.
  • 14:37:55: The Great Laggi: fish and holidays
  • 14:37:56: Nekyn Alb: Like that prehistoric thing
  • 14:38:04: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: fish are good
  • 14:38:36: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: we were talking about christmas -> presents -> valentine's day
  • 14:38:46: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: -> fish
  • 14:38:51: RenzXVI: All meat creatures evolved from the first fish that crawled out of the ocean, so technically, everything is fish!
  • 14:38:59: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: lol
  • 14:39:02: The Great Laggi: I mean, true
  • 14:39:11: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: i haven't gotten any christmas presents since i stopped believing in santa
  • 14:39:20: RenzXVI: What?
  • 14:39:28: The Great Laggi: well, no duh, tbh
  • 14:39:31: Nekyn Alb: lmao, wot
  • 14:39:34: RenzXVI: I thought I've been getting presents from my family and friends because I value them over Santa.
  • 14:40:05: The Great Laggi: that’s nice
  • 14:40:50: RenzXVI: There was one time when I wanted to grill some pork dish but Santa didn't gift me charcoal...
  • 14:41:07: The Great Laggi: lol
  • 14:43:19: RenzXVI: I am watching Venom right now but all I can think about is food.
  • 14:43:24: RenzXVI: Even before we talked about food.
  • 14:43:40: The Great Laggi: lol
  • 14:45:41: The Great Laggi: i made a pillow a few days ago
  • 14:46:10: RenzXVI: Only time I made a pillow was for school, it was a recycled food foil pillow.
  • 14:46:33: The Great Laggi: your humor never ceases to make me laugh
  • 14:46:40: RenzXVI: Well, I've also made a stuffed toy for a girlfriend once, I guess it's similar to a pillow.
  • 14:46:52: RenzXVI: What? I am telling the truth.
  • 14:47:01: The Great Laggi: i know
  • 14:47:17: RenzXVI: You cut up wrappers and put the strands in a plastic bag and then cloth over it.
  • 14:47:29: The Great Laggi: ah
  • 14:47:49: The Great Laggi: we just filled ours with synthetic fibers
  • 14:49:33: RenzXVI: Hard to find a good pic https://i.imgur.com/hBFH7ts.jpg
  • 14:49:56: RenzXVI: yeah, I never used the pillow project I had. I prefer microfiber pillows.
  • 14:50:46: The Great Laggi: Same
  • 14:51:10: The Great Laggi: besides, I only use mine as a decorative pillow
  • 14:52:05: RenzXVI: I've never had a down feather pillow though. I've been looking for one but malls didn't have it. I guess I had to have looked at an actual bedstore. Whatever the stores are called.
  • 14:52:54: The Great Laggi: the down feathers like to poke through the pillow, and it is not fun when they do
  • 14:53:13: RenzXVI: oh. Why are they popular then?
  • 14:53:23: RenzXVI: And often said to be the softest pillow
  • 14:53:51: The Great Laggi: i do not know
  • 14:54:30: RenzXVI: Last time I checked before buying pillows, lists say the best are microfiber and down pillows. I thought down pillows were on top of microfiber.
  • 14:55:17: The Great Laggi: well, I guess ours are still a bit soft
  • 14:56:10: RenzXVI: My Microfiber one still seems like it's new right after I refluff it.
  • 14:56:42: The Great Laggi: that is what I live about those pillows
  • 14:56:53: The Great Laggi: love
  • 14:57:01: RenzXVI: Yeah, me too.
  • 14:57:11: RenzXVI: And it abuses no baby ducks.
  • 14:57:33: The Great Laggi: and baby ducks are cute
  • 14:58:36: RenzXVI: Yeah, they're balls of fluff.
  • 15:07:28: The Great Laggi: I will have to go in a bit, because the ward Christmas breakfast starts in an hour
  • 15:07:38: RenzXVI: Sounds cool
  • 15:07:54: The Great Laggi: it is fun
  • 15:07:56: RenzXVI: Are you in a psych ward? :p
  • 15:08:33: The Great Laggi: no, LDS church ward
  • 15:08:47: RenzXVI: Ok. :p
  • 15:08:54: RenzXVI: I was just joking.
  • 15:09:22: The Great Laggi: oh, thought it was an actual thing lol
  • 15:13:39: The Great Laggi: what brought you to the elder scrolls
  • 15:14:03: RenzXVI: I was looking for a good game to test my new laptop several years ago.
  • 15:14:15: RenzXVI: I played Skyrim to test.
  • 15:15:02: The Great Laggi: and you are here because of it
  • 15:15:32: RenzXVI: Yeah. I'll probably play the next TES game. If it comes out before earth explodes.
  • 15:15:48: The Great Laggi: yeah lol
  • 15:17:07: The Great Laggi: i came here because I had memories of my sister playing bleak falls barrow, and after a small amount of sifting, I began playing.
  • 15:17:24: RenzXVI: Cool
  • 15:18:03: The Great Laggi: wish I could get my hands on eso, it looks like a good game
  • 15:19:26: RenzXVI: A lot of people have mixed feelings about it. It strays out of the story simply because it's an online game. People argue if it's canon or not.
  • 15:19:39: RenzXVI: I think people say it actually changed some stuff, I dunno.
  • 15:19:57: The Great Laggi: is it a good game?
  • 15:20:08: RenzXVI: People who like online games would say so.
  • 15:20:21: The Great Laggi: hmm...
  • 15:20:34: RenzXVI: Maybe people who play single player just isn't used to it.
  • 15:20:49: Nekyn Alb: ESO is great, but it doesn't play like the single player titles
  • 15:20:58: RenzXVI: The story isn't as well told if the game caters to multiple people instead of only the player's story.
  • 15:21:08: The Great Laggi: i see
  • 15:21:12: Nekyn Alb: That doesn't make sense
  • 15:21:19: RenzXVI: What? :p
  • 15:21:24: The Great Laggi: what?
  • 15:21:34: Nekyn Alb: The player is always the hero, not multiple people, just like in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim
  • 15:21:54: RenzXVI: yeah, and that's why it's weird to transition from single to MMO.
  • 15:21:57: Nekyn Alb: unless you do group dungeons/raids where you need more people to beat it
  • 15:22:24: RenzXVI: Players are just gonna be random people. Not the main hero.
  • 15:22:46: Nekyn Alb: Other players are other adventurers to your hero
  • 15:23:28: Nekyn Alb: I'd say it has better writing than Skyrim and Oblivion
  • 15:23:47: The Great Laggi: then I will see if I could get it
  • 15:24:01: RenzXVI: I used to be an adventurer like you. Until my knee started dating arrows.
  • 15:25:15: The Great Laggi: a unique interpretation
  • 15:26:34: The Great Laggi: what a strange conversation, am I right?
  • 15:26:40: RenzXVI: Yeah lol
  • 15:27:29: RenzXVI: Poor arrow, it got kneed in the face but everyone takes pity on the retired adventurer.
  • 15:27:43: The Great Laggi: yeah
  • 15:27:50: RenzXVI: I gotta eat my midnight snack. Be back later.
  • 15:28:39: The Great Laggi: ok
  • 15:49:50: RenzXVI: Back
  • 15:55:39: The Great Laggi: I have to go, I will be back in a bit though
  • 15:55:46: RenzXVI: ok
  • 15:55:48: RenzXVI: Have fun
  • 16:09:15: RenzXVI: HOly shit. Stan Lee is in Venom.. :(
  • 16:21:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (crying)
  • 16:26:57: RenzXVI: I am trying to watch The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon series and the art style is weird to me.
  • 16:27:09: RenzXVI: Maybe I should've stuck to the 90s one.
  • 16:29:09: RenzXVI: I like Spiderman. We have a lot in common. I used to be a spider back in the day, then I got bit by a radioactive human.
  • 18:51:21: The Great Laggi: When does the moot start?
  • 19:45:48: KINMUNE: Hello there, DaBarkspawn!
  • 19:46:11: DaBarkspawn: In 15 minutes
  • 19:55:25: Masidillia: The moot is today, right?
  • 19:55:34: Masidillia: 5 min?
  • 19:56:01: DaBarkspawn: right
  • 19:56:38: Masidillia: ok, never been a part of it before
  • 20:00:30: KINMUNE: Hello there, Poisoned apples!
  • 20:00:40: Poisoned apples: hello
  • 20:00:58: DaBarkspawn: hi
  • 20:02:49: KINMUNE: Hello there, Dwemer35!
  • 20:02:52: Dwemer35: Hi
  • 20:02:56: DaBarkspawn: hi
  • 20:08:09: KINMUNE: Hello there, The-Nord-In-Rags!
  • 20:08:13: Masidillia: Hey
  • 20:08:43: The-Nord-In-Rags: Hello
  • 20:09:03: Dwemer35: Hello
  • 20:09:27: The-Nord-In-Rags: Hello
  • 20:09:35: Masidillia: HI
  • 20:09:40: Poisoned apples: hey
  • 20:10:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
  • 20:11:26: DaBarkspawn: hi
  • 20:19:17: Masidillia: Just wondering, when will the actual Moot start?
  • 20:20:02: DaBarkspawn: When Atv shows up to moderate it.
  • 20:20:15: Masidillia: Alright
  • 20:25:58: The Great Laggi: Back
  • 20:28:15: The Great Laggi: How is everyone?
  • 20:28:27: Masidillia: I'm doing mighty fine
  • 20:28:32: The Great Laggi: Good
  • 20:28:36: Masidillia: How about you?
  • 20:28:38: The-Nord-In-Rags: Pretty good, how are you?
  • 20:28:58: The Great Laggi: good
  • 20:29:08: KINMUNE: Hello there, Super Skrub!
  • 20:29:14: The Great Laggi: hi guys
  • 20:29:23: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
  • 20:29:31: The-Nord-In-Rags: Hi
  • 20:29:32: Super Skrub: hello
  • 20:29:38: DaBarkspawn: hi
  • 20:29:50: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: just figured out my chat froze
  • 20:29:58: DaBarkspawn: \o/
  • 20:30:03: The-Nord-In-Rags: Fun
  • 20:30:18: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: pc's being super crappy today
  • 20:30:36: Masidillia: Kick it, that fixes all electronics
  • 20:30:51: The-Nord-In-Rags: Well im using my phone so you are already better than me
  • 20:31:06: The Great Laggi: i am using my ipad
  • 20:32:13: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: that'll probably only fuck it up further
  • 20:32:35: The-Nord-In-Rags: Nah, kicking it always works
  • 20:32:48: Masidillia: It makes TNR work
  • 20:32:51: Super Skrub: does rebooting it help?
  • 20:32:59: Masidillia: I kick him and he does my bidding
  • 20:33:07: The-Nord-In-Rags: Yea...
  • 20:33:26: The Great Laggi: wut?
  • 20:33:28: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: besides, i'd probably hurt my toe if i did that
  • 20:33:38: Masidillia: use the ball of your foot
  • 20:33:43: The-Nord-In-Rags: Wear shoes
  • 20:33:49: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: then i'd hurt the ball of my foot
  • 20:33:51: Atvelonis: ahhhhhhh
  • 20:33:56: Atvelonis: I'm here
  • 20:34:05: Masidillia: Finally :)
  • 20:34:07: The Great Laggi: ATV!
  • 20:34:12: DaBarkspawn: <fanfare>
  • 20:34:14: The-Nord-In-Rags: DADVE
  • 20:35:12: The Great Laggi: shall we begin?
  • 20:35:41: KINMUNE: Hello there, Pelinal Whitestrake!
  • 20:35:48: Atvelonis: o/
  • 20:35:51: The Great Laggi: hello
  • 20:35:51: Pelinal Whitestrake: Hello
  • 20:35:52: Atvelonis: Yes, let's begin
  • 20:35:55: KINMUNE: Hello there, TheKorraFanatic!
  • 20:36:00: DaBarkspawn: yes, please, would like to get back to editing
  • 20:36:06: The Great Laggi: ok
  • 20:36:10: Atvelonis: I forgot about the time change
  • 20:36:15: Atvelonis: Thought I still had half an hour :P
  • 20:36:18: Masidillia: silly goose
  • 20:36:39: Atvelonis: Anyway: we only have one officially scheduled topic for this week
  • 20:36:50: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh shit :o
  • 20:36:50: Atvelonis: DaBarkspawn's
  • 20:36:55: Atvelonis: You can go ahead when you're ready
  • 20:37:09: The Great Laggi: i like this time of year because my alarm is actually accurate
  • 20:37:24: The Great Laggi: it is normally one hour behind
  • 20:37:29: Atvelonis: (If anyone has other topics, or just random ideas/things they want to mention, also feel free to speak once this topic is over)
  • 20:37:36: DaBarkspawn: In Arena and Daggerfall, mer names are not used in games. The dwarves are not called dwemer, high elves, not altmer, etc. There are no uses of mer names in the manuals for either game. So, I would like to propose for pages that are strictly for those games that the mer names are not used and changed from dwemer to dwarf, etc. as we go.
  • 20:38:07: The Great Laggi: ok
  • 20:38:24: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: sounds reasonable
  • 20:38:38: KINMUNE: Hello there, TinyClayMan!
  • 20:38:41: TinyClayMan: Hello
  • 20:38:42: The Great Laggi: hello!
  • 20:38:52: Atvelonis: So Altmer -> High Elf, Dunmer -> Dark Elf, Bosmer -> Wood Elf?
  • 20:38:53: TinyClayMan: Am I not too late?
  • 20:38:57: Atvelonis: And Dwemer -> Dwarf
  • 20:39:00: Atvelonis: No we started late because I forgot
  • 20:39:01: DaBarkspawn: Atv: right
  • 20:39:05: Dwemer35: Hello
  • 20:39:07: Atvelonis: Any others?
  • 20:39:19: Atvelonis: Orsimer -> Orc? Not sure if we use Orsimer for AR/DF as it is
  • 20:39:25: The Great Laggi: this will be short lol
  • 20:39:34: Masidillia: I guess I have something
  • 20:39:50: Atvelonis: When were the -mer names implemented?
  • 20:39:56: Atvelonis: I'm curious if we should also apply this to Battlespire and Redguard
  • 20:39:57: DaBarkspawn: Yeah, orsimer needs to be Orc
  • 20:40:03: Atvelonis: & travels etc
  • 20:40:07: DaBarkspawn: Oh, good point
  • 20:40:17: DaBarkspawn: Yes, this applies to everything before Morrowind
  • 20:40:29: DaBarkspawn: which is where, AFAICT, they were first used.
  • 20:41:10: Atvelonis: Seems to have been non-mer in Battlespire
  • 20:41:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: all of those sound good
  • 20:41:16: Atvelonis: I'll check Redguard and Travels just to be safe
  • 20:41:21: The Great Laggi: ok
  • 20:42:37: Atvelonis: I think Shadowkey does not use -mer
  • 20:42:49: Atvelonis: 2004
  • 20:42:54: Atvelonis: Which is odd
  • 20:42:58: The Great Laggi: check just to be safe
  • 20:43:10: Atvelonis: Don't have the game, I'm just checking online where I can
  • 20:43:15: DaBarkspawn: Yeah, Morrowind was 2002
  • 20:43:29: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Races_(Shadowkey)
  • 20:43:34: Atvelonis: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Races
  • 20:44:25: Atvelonis: I don't think Dawnstar has races
  • 20:44:29: The Great Laggi: ok
  • 20:44:38: Atvelonis: Nor Stormhold
  • 20:44:48: Atvelonis: So for Shadowkey yes we can use High Elf etc. rather than Altmer
  • 20:44:49: DaBarkspawn: That's slightly MW influenced though, since the Khajiit look like cats and there are Argonians (Lizard Men in Arena)
  • 20:45:28: DaBarkspawn: (that == Shadowkey)
  • 20:45:41: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: aren't argonians called argonians in arena?
  • 20:45:52: DaBarkspawn: Lizard Men
  • 20:45:57: DaBarkspawn: Very D&D
  • 20:46:40: Atvelonis: So are you saying we should use Altmer for Shadowkey anyway?
  • 20:46:48: Atvelonis: Since Morrowind uses those terms
  • 20:46:52: DaBarkspawn: No
  • 20:47:05: Atvelonis: mmm
  • 20:47:05: DaBarkspawn: If the game doesn't, we shouldn't
  • 20:47:34: DaBarkspawn: I think Shadowkey is an aberration in the timeline
  • 20:47:49: Atvelonis: Yeah I would tend to agree
  • 20:47:53: Atvelonis: Travels in general
  • 20:47:59: DaBarkspawn: +1
  • 20:48:28: The Great Laggi: (+)
  • 20:48:52: Atvelonis: So to summarize: this proposal is to change the racial terminology for Mer in some of the older games (Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Shadowkey/Travels). Altmer -> High Elf, Dunmer -> Dark Elf, Bosmer -> Wood Elf, Orsimer -> Orc, Dwemer -> Dwarf.
  • 20:48:58: Atvelonis: Vote
  • 20:48:59: Atvelonis: (+)
  • 20:49:32: Poisoned apples: (+)
  • 20:49:38: DaBarkspawn: {+}
  • 20:49:46: Masidillia: (+)
  • 20:49:50: DaBarkspawn: ( + )
  • 20:50:03: The-Nord-In-Rags: {{+}}
  • 20:50:06: DaBarkspawn: ty
  • 20:50:09: Atvelonis: ([[]]+)
  • 20:50:11: Atvelonis: It's not a template
  • 20:50:15: DaBarkspawn: (+)
  • 20:50:17: DaBarkspawn: thanks
  • 20:50:25: Atvelonis: (will only count votes that are done this way)
  • 20:50:26: Dwemer35: I agree only about the pre-Morrowind
  • 20:50:36: Atvelonis: 4-0-0
  • 20:50:41: The-Nord-In-Rags: (+)
  • 20:50:46: TinyClayMan: (+)
  • 20:51:11: Atvelonis: 6-0-0
  • 20:51:27: DaBarkspawn: By the way, here's an illustration from original D&D of a lizard man (1974) :
  • 20:52:16: Dwemer35: So I guess I'm neutral
  • 20:52:25: DaBarkspawn: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Zc_HCu9XmvE/T-pMhiYW4NI/AAAAAAAAAP8/X3RgeWb25So/s1600/trampier+-+lizardman.jpg
  • 20:52:25: Atvelonis: Neutral vote is ([[]]=)
  • 20:52:31: Dwemer35: (=)
  • 20:52:35: Atvelonis: 6-1-0
  • 20:53:18: Atvelonis: Helllooo lurkers please vote
  • 20:53:22: Super Skrub: (+)
  • 20:53:53: Atvelonis: @Finelia, slug man, Pelinal, Laggi, Korra
  • 20:54:33: Atvelonis: (will give a minute or two more and then we can move on)
  • 20:54:42: Nekyn Alb: Using the name the game uses?
  • 20:54:58: Atvelonis: Yes
  • 20:55:02: Nekyn Alb: (+)
  • 20:55:05: Atvelonis: 7-1-0
  • 20:55:30: TheKorraFanatic: (+)
  • 20:55:59: Atvelonis: 8-1-0
  • 20:56:20: Pelinal Whitestrake: (-)
  • 20:56:28: Atvelonis: 8-1-1
  • 20:56:42: Pelinal Whitestrake: I'd say the naming should be kept uniform across all relevant articles, even if it might not be logical in the sense of the specific game.
  • 20:57:06: KINMUNE: Hello there, Blademaster Jauffre!
  • 20:57:09: Pelinal Whitestrake: If naming is kept uniform, that way confusion can be minimized. In the end, the actual naming of the species in the game can/should be pointed out in the opening of the article.
  • 20:57:12: Atvelonis: Hi Jauffre
  • 20:57:17: Blademaster Jauffre: Is Moot still ongoing?
  • 20:57:20: The Great Laggi: Hi jauffre
  • 20:57:22: The Great Laggi: yes
  • 20:57:23: Atvelonis: Yes we are just finishing up with our first topic
  • 20:57:24: DaBarkspawn: hi
  • 20:57:27: Blademaster Jauffre: Gr8
  • 20:58:10: Atvelonis: This is the only scheduled topic - though I think Masidillia mentioned that he had something
  • 20:58:22: Masidillia: Yeah, I have something
  • 20:58:26: Blademaster Jauffre: I had something in the back of my mind, but can't recall what it was rn
  • 20:58:33: Atvelonis: You can go when you are ready
  • 20:59:03: Nekyn Alb: @Pelinal: It's easier to connect when you're actually playing that game atm and the name will link to the modern names anyway
  • 20:59:57: DaBarkspawn: good point
  • 21:00:12: Pelinal Whitestrake: I'm personally of the opinion that the most up-to-date lore is what matters, rather than what an individual game said in its time
  • 21:00:21: DaBarkspawn: ok
  • 21:00:31: Nekyn Alb: It matters in the context
  • 21:00:39: DaBarkspawn: I agree, Nekyn
  • 21:00:59: DaBarkspawn: I think using the game names has greater utility for the average reader.
  • 21:01:07: The-Nord-In-Rags: I also agree with Nekyn
  • 21:01:12: The Great Laggi: Yes
  • 21:01:17: Blademaster Jauffre: Agree
  • 21:01:44: Masidillia: So on the top of the screen, it has tabs for ESO, Skyrim, and Games. In the games tab there is an other tab, which has some of the mobile games such as ES travels and Legends. I think Blades should be added to the other category thing, because as the time of its release gets closer, more people are going to be wanting to get see information on it. Blades currently isn't on any of the tabs, so I think it should be added to the other part of the games tab.
  • 21:02:06: Masidillia: I probably didn't explain it well
  • 21:02:17: Atvelonis: Do you mean the wiki navigation?
  • 21:02:20: Blademaster Jauffre: Shouldn't Blades content be rather limited until we have confirmation on the options?
  • 21:02:26: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation
  • 21:02:44: Atvelonis: I agree that it should be linked at least once
  • 21:02:55: Atvelonis: In the "Other" section of "Games" probably
  • 21:03:14: Masidillia: I didn't know what it was called, but what Atve is saying is what I meant
  • 21:03:58: Atvelonis: I also agree with Jauffre that we should not link to it elsewhere though, at least not until it is released
  • 21:04:05: Atvelonis: Since we know very little about it - even what we do know could change
  • 21:04:11: DaBarkspawn: Are we done with the first vote?
  • 21:04:31: Nekyn Alb: Yes
  • 21:04:36: DaBarkspawn: ty
  • 21:05:02: Masidillia: But it is likely that people will want the given information easily accessible instead of having to search it
  • 21:05:10: Atvelonis: Yes it passed 8-1-1 @dab
  • 21:05:36: DaBarkspawn: ty
  • 21:06:04: Atvelonis: @Mas: yes, but we mostly only link very big releases outside of the "Games" section
  • 21:06:25: Masidillia: Even in the "others" part?
  • 21:06:33: Atvelonis: No there is room there
  • 21:06:39: Atvelonis: There just isn't room for a first-level link to Blades
  • 21:06:42: Atvelonis: Since there is limited horizontal space we've reserved it for Skyrim and ESO
  • 21:08:10: Atvelonis: Are there any questions about this proposal or are we good to go?
  • 21:08:16: DaBarkspawn: Would the Skyrim space get bumped when the TES VI comes out?
  • 21:08:23: DaBarkspawn: (whenever that is...)
  • 21:08:25: Atvelonis: yeeeess maybe not sure
  • 21:08:31: DaBarkspawn: lol
  • 21:08:38: Atvelonis: I don't actually know how far to the right text is allowed
  • 21:08:53: Atvelonis: There is some whitespace to the right of "Discuss," so I assume we could squeeze in a link to TES VI... but idk
  • 21:09:02: Atvelonis: We'll cross that bridge when we get to it
  • 21:09:06: DaBarkspawn: kk
  • 21:09:14: Masidillia: That's not what I mean. On the Games part to the right of Skyrim and ESO, there's the main games in the series. At the bottom under Lore, there's other, that has Legends and Elder Scrolls travels. In that part of it, should be Blades.
  • 21:09:16: Nekyn Alb: You can't make another tab there
  • 21:09:22: DaBarkspawn: if you used alt-tags, it would be alt-right... ;)
  • 21:09:32: Nekyn Alb: unless you work around wikia's limitations
  • 21:09:35: Atvelonis: @Nekyn: no I know, but that content would be pushed to the right
  • 21:09:42: Atvelonis: @Masidillia: ok
  • 21:09:59: Masidillia: Did that make more sense? I'm bad at explaining stuff like that
  • 21:10:03: Atvelonis: No I understand
  • 21:10:06: Masidillia: Ok
  • 21:10:06: Nekyn Alb: I mean that you can't put it anywhere, the tabs you have are the max amount
  • 21:10:28: Atvelonis: We'll figure it out when it comes out
  • 21:10:32: Atvelonis: We've got like 4 years
  • 21:10:50: Atvelonis: To summarize, before we vote: this proposal would have us add a link to The Elder Scrolls: Blades in the "Other" section of the "Games" tab on MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation
  • 21:10:53: Atvelonis: (+)
  • 21:11:00: Nekyn Alb: (+)
  • 21:11:03: Dwemer35: (+)
  • 21:11:13: The-Nord-In-Rags: (+)
  • 21:11:21: Atvelonis: 4-0-0
  • 21:11:24: DaBarkspawn: (+)
  • 21:11:39: Poisoned apples: (+)
  • 21:11:54: Blademaster Jauffre: {{+}}
  • 21:11:58: Blademaster Jauffre: feck''
  • 21:12:02: Blademaster Jauffre: {{Support}}
  • 21:12:04: Blademaster Jauffre: Feck
  • 21:12:08: Blademaster Jauffre: How do I vote lmaop
  • 21:12:12: Atvelonis: ([[]]+)
  • 21:12:16: Blademaster Jauffre: (+)
  • 21:12:18: Atvelonis: 7-0-0
  • 21:12:26: Atvelonis: Or ([[]]support) I think
  • 21:12:29: Atvelonis: I forget
  • 21:12:55: Blademaster Jauffre: As did I lol
  • 21:13:07: Atvelonis: @Finelia, Pelinal, TinyClayMan
  • 21:13:26: TinyClayMan: (=)
  • 21:14:08: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: oh shit I missed the vote
  • 21:14:27: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
  • 21:14:31: The Great Laggi: (+)
  • 21:14:35: Masidillia: Thanks
  • 21:14:57: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: I would also like to (+) the other one but probably too late
  • 21:15:01: Atvelonis: 9-1-0
  • 21:15:04: Atvelonis: Too late, sorry
  • 21:15:28: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yeh well it passed anyway
  • 21:15:35: DaBarkspawn: AUUUUGH! WHERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU??? :P
  • 21:15:59: Atvelonis: If there are no more votes then we can continue
  • 21:16:42: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: shit happening on Discord :P
  • 21:16:54: The Great Laggi: o my
  • 21:17:26: Blademaster Jauffre: Discord, here I come
  • 21:17:40: Blademaster Jauffre: You lied
  • 21:18:00: DaBarkspawn: (+)
  • 21:18:06: Atvelonis: Does anyone else have anything they would like to discuss?
  • 21:18:22: The Great Laggi: no
  • 21:18:23: Nekyn Alb: Yes
  • 21:18:38: Nekyn Alb: We should put a really big picture of Vivec on the main page
  • 21:18:45: Atvelonis: good idea
  • 21:18:47: Nekyn Alb: (+)
  • 21:18:53: Atvelonis: (+)
  • 21:18:56: Atvelonis: make it fan art too
  • 21:19:05: Atvelonis: closer to the people
  • 21:19:06: Atvelonis: they'll love it
  • 21:19:35: Nekyn Alb: rule34, I gotchu fam
  • 21:19:55: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: not this wiki's Discord xD
  • 21:19:58: Nekyn Alb: The Pomegranate Banquet
  • 21:20:10: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: (+)
  • 21:20:13: Atvelonis: Anyway, I do have something I would like to touch on quickly
  • 21:20:34: Atvelonis: I think most/all of you are aware that we are doing a raffle this month https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1031167
  • 21:20:46: Atvelonis: I just wanted to make it clear that people can still enter mid-month, and their edits will be counted retroactively
  • 21:20:59: Atvelonis: i.e. if they edit on dec 1 but don't enter until dec 2 then their edits on dec 1 will still count
  • 21:21:02: Atvelonis: just to be nice
  • 21:21:43: Atvelonis: And not that I have to worry about this from anyone here, but remember that edits which are reverted or highly modified will not be counted
  • 21:21:51: DaBarkspawn: wfm
  • 21:22:46: Atvelonis: At the end of the month I will tally up the byte sizes of every user and use a similar methodology as last year to choose the winners
  • 21:22:57: Nekyn Alb: So I can modify every edit and make them lose? (kappa)
  • 21:23:01: Atvelonis: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:994161
  • 21:23:03: Atvelonis: lol
  • 21:23:08: Blademaster Jauffre: Lmao
  • 21:23:24: Atvelonis: "The total byte size of all edits made during the contest will be added up for each user. Then, every participant is assigned a unique range of numbers reflecting their total byte size: more bytes results in a larger range. Finally, a script is run to randomly select three winning values within the total range."
  • 21:23:51: Atvelonis: The way I did it last year was writing a spreadsheet that used the cumulative value of the edits per user
  • 21:24:07: Atvelonis: So the ranges I'm referring to were just the user's amount of bytes in the cumulative amount
  • 21:24:25: Atvelonis: And I can generate a random number within that range very easily
  • 21:24:44: DaBarkspawn: For images, is that really the byte count of the image?
  • 21:24:47: Atvelonis: no
  • 21:24:50: Atvelonis: arbitrary value
  • 21:25:04: Atvelonis: I figured that the file description was not really a worthy way to decide the quality of an image
  • 21:25:10: DaBarkspawn: kk
  • 21:25:37: DaBarkspawn: I only ask because then images would dwarf text edits, having a rather larger byte count.
  • 21:25:50: Blademaster Jauffre: Now that we're talking about images, there's something I'm curious about.
  • 21:25:56: DaBarkspawn: /me runs
  • 21:26:12: Blademaster Jauffre: Is there a specific reason why we don't have all the images of the Pocket Guides?
  • 21:26:30: Atvelonis: I chose that value because I decided last year that uploading an image took roughly the same amount of effort as writing a sentence of size 250 bytes
  • 21:26:40: Atvelonis: @Jauffre: yes, there are some legal issues with that unfortunately
  • 21:27:00: Atvelonis: I'm not totally clear on the details, but it's come up before
  • 21:27:08: Blademaster Jauffre: Ah, that's a pity.
  • 21:27:26: Atvelonis: Yes it's most unfortunate
  • 21:28:07: Atvelonis: Re contest: this year, I said that the 3 people with the most absolute number of bytes will get a prize of their choosing (from anywhere, as long as it's TES-related)
  • 21:28:50: TinyClayMan: Checked the Beth Store Are they not selling plush guar/netches anymore?
  • 21:28:54: Nekyn Alb: I want Todd Howard
  • 21:28:59: DaBarkspawn: Is a new gaming computer "TES related" ;)
  • 21:29:09: Atvelonis: I forget exactly how much I budgeted for last year's winners but it was something like $50, $30, $15
  • 21:29:42: Atvelonis: @Dab: yes if you are using it to play TES, but I'm not quite wealthy enough to go around buying entire PCs for people lol
  • 21:30:03: Atvelonis: @Tiny: not sure, but I didn't see them. They might be available on amazon
  • 21:30:07: DaBarkspawn: yeah, j/k
  • 21:30:39: Atvelonis: I think this year I could go a bit higher. Perhaps $100, $50, $30. Though I don't want to get anyone's hopes up
  • 21:30:56: Masidillia: That's pretty nice
  • 21:31:34: Atvelonis: @Dab: a PC part would definitely be possible though
  • 21:32:06: Atvelonis: A custom CPU cooler like whatever that popular cooler master one is tends to be like $20-30
  • 21:32:20: Atvelonis: Motherboard can be more like $50-100
  • 21:32:21: Atvelonis: etc.
  • 21:33:11: Atvelonis: Since I am somewhat lazy I will probably not be done counting everything right by January 1st
  • 21:33:25: Atvelonis: If I can figure out how to write a script in Python to do it automatically, I will definitely do that
  • 21:34:10: Atvelonis: Would have to do a second run manually to check for reverted content but it would speed it up
  • 21:34:16: Atvelonis: @Dab: if you want to do that for me, feel free lmao
  • 21:34:28: Atvelonis: writing the script, that is
  • 21:35:04: Atvelonis: Those are all the clarifications I had... so I think we are done now
  • 21:35:11: Atvelonis: Any other topics before we close up shop?
  • 21:35:37: Nekyn Alb: I'll just upload the Vivec pic, yeah?
  • 21:35:40: DaBarkspawn: It depends... I'd need to see how the data is listed... is it just a spreadsheet?
  • 21:35:50: Dwemer35: Maybe we should wait for a few minutes in case Rozty comes around
  • 21:36:07: DaBarkspawn: Nekyn: be sure to use the one of him chopping bits off Molag Bal
  • 21:36:19: Nekyn Alb: Why yes of course
  • 21:36:25: Nekyn Alb: Are there any other relevant images?
  • 21:36:34: DaBarkspawn: None
  • 21:36:43: Nekyn Alb: Exactly!
  • 21:37:10: Atvelonis: @dab: I have to go to [[Special:Contributions]] for every user and check the byte sizes
  • 21:37:25: Atvelonis: You can go into Inspect Element and find what the elements that have all that stuff are called, I'd bet
  • 21:38:32: Atvelonis: it's an unordered list
  • 21:39:08: TinyClayMan: Atv, do negative bytes count?
  • 21:39:22: TinyClayMan: Do they lower the chances?
  • 21:39:32: DaBarkspawn: ugh, this html is nasty
  • 21:39:38: Atvelonis: WikiaSiteWrapper -> then this https://i.gyazo.com/85b6dff428641088c4b6f303a936bf0d.png
  • 21:39:48: Atvelonis: @Tiny: this year I am doing it based off absolute byte size
  • 21:39:52: Atvelonis: Last year I just ignored negative edits
  • 21:40:00: Atvelonis: But this year they will be added as if they are positive
  • 21:40:20: Atvelonis: Not perfect, since you can change a lot about an article and still have it end up be around the same size, but it's hard to do much else
  • 21:40:32: TinyClayMan: Ah Time to remove unnecessary trivia points from Skyrim articles
  • 21:41:37: Atvelonis: Well if there are no more topics then I think it's safe to end
  • 21:42:03: Atvelonis: By the power vested in me by [[Special:UserRights]] and Jimbo Wales, I hereby declare this moot complete!
  • 21:43:01: DaBarkspawn: BTW, first pass at this would be curl the page, grep for plusminus and then awk out the count and sum that
  • 21:44:49: Atvelonis: sure
  • 21:47:04: Dwemer35: So Nekyn, what's with that slug image you're using as profile picture?
  • 21:47:37: Nekyn Alb: This one in particular or generally?
  • 21:47:47: Dwemer35: Generally
  • 21:48:46: Atvelonis: I am also curious what it is from
  • 21:50:28: Atvelonis: o/
  • 21:50:56: The-Nord-In-Rags: Hello everyone, I have returned. Could someone please fill me in on everything that has happened?
  • 21:51:47: Atvelonis: Nothing significant
  • 21:51:55: Atvelonis: I just clarified some things about the raffle
  • 21:52:07: Atvelonis: KINMUNE will post the chat log in a few hours, you should be able to read through it then if you want
  • 21:52:11: Atvelonis: just check her contribs
  • 21:52:35: The-Nord-In-Rags: Ok, thank you
  • 21:53:10: Nekyn Alb: When I first joined the German wiki chat, I complimented the most active user on his frequent editing, so somebody jokingly called me a "Schleimer", basically someone who sucks up to people. It's also something you could (but wouldn't really) say about a slug, because "Schleim" means slime, a "Schleimer" produces "slime". They then awarded me the "Goldene Nacktschnecke", golden slug
  • 21:53:29: Nekyn Alb: so I drew a golden slug in gimp and have that as my pfp for some years now
  • 21:53:33: KINMUNE: Hello there, Herma-Mora's Champion!
  • 21:54:14: Nekyn Alb: almost 4 years
  • 21:54:48: Atvelonis: nice
  • 21:55:07: Nekyn Alb: I drew it some time after joining though
  • 21:55:19: Dwemer35: Interesting
  • 21:55:25: Nekyn Alb: and I customize it for whatever comes up
  • 21:56:02: Atvelonis: it's nice that you have a story about yours
  • 21:56:09: Atvelonis: I have no idea why I chose this one
  • 21:56:27: Atvelonis: I'm pretty sure I was reading ASOIAF at the time (also why I have a bunch of quotes from it on my profile)
  • 21:56:33: Atvelonis: and just liked ned stark
  • 21:57:13: Atvelonis: Haven't changed it because I would rather create as little confusion as possible for people who disappear and then come back after a long time... being able to see a familiar face in the crowd is nice for them
  • 21:58:01: Poisoned apples: I mean, how do you *not* like ned stark?
  • 21:58:07: KINMUNE: Hello there, Ottoman Hold!
  • 21:58:29: Ottoman Hold: False advertising, poisoned apples you said the moot was December 8th XD
  • 21:59:36: Poisoned apples: oh geez, I did??
  • 21:59:56: Dwemer35: Having a drawing as profile picture is really great, apart from being unique it can also be customized more easily
  • 22:00:32: Dwemer35: Ned dies I guess?
  • 22:01:26: Atvelonis: Well people just comment on the fact that I've never changed it
  • 22:01:43: Atvelonis: Many users have a new avatar every week. I personally think that that is confusing
  • 22:01:53: Atvelonis: I tend to visualize who a person on the wiki is by their avatar
  • 22:02:06: Atvelonis: Like, obviously I know Nekyn is not literally a golden slug, but if I see that image I think Nekyn
  • 22:02:26: Ottoman Hold: Hmm, must have misread it. Sorry about that apples
  • 22:02:32: Nekyn Alb: Yeah, whenever I see that pic of Ned Stark I think of Atvel, which can be kind of weird
  • 22:02:53: Atvelonis: It's weird for me too, every time I see that picture of Ned Stark I think of the wiki
  • 22:03:38: Atvelonis: I'm sure the few people whom I've seriously pissed off now associate game of thrones with some asshole who blocked them on TESWiki 3 years ago or whatever
  • 22:03:53: Nekyn Alb: I like people having consistent pfps too, there are some people on DE who haven't changed theirs for as long as Atvel
  • 22:03:56: Nekyn Alb: lmao
  • 22:04:50: Nekyn Alb: We even got some of them emoticons because they were such fundamental parts of the community back then
  • 22:05:53: Atvelonis: haha
  • 22:06:09: Nekyn Alb: https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User%3ANed1230 this has surely confused a lot of people
  • 22:06:24: Atvelonis: lol, I'm sure
  • 22:06:36: Atvelonis: A couple users here call me Ned which is confusing whenever 1230 is around
  • 22:07:39: Nekyn Alb: Apropos, how did you come up with your name?
  • 22:09:36: Atvelonis: It's related to my real name
  • 22:10:23: Nekyn Alb: Oh, I think we joked about that before
  • 22:10:27: Ottoman Hold: Clearly, his name is Velonis, so when people say it online, it's @Velonis, so he combined them
  • 22:10:40: Atvelonis: lol
  • 22:10:43: Nekyn Alb: AtAtvelonis
  • 22:10:50: Atvelonis: I think I've let enough personal information slip through the cracks on various places on the internet that a clever stalker could figure out who I am pretty easily
  • 22:11:21: Nekyn Alb: Sean Velon Bean
  • 22:12:36: DaBarkspawn: Mine comes from a set of rather obscure Dragon Age references: https://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog#Trivia
  • 22:13:13: Atvelonis: going to go take a shower and get something to eat
  • 22:13:38: Atvelonis: it's party night after a week of grinding
  • 22:13:44: Atvelonis: o/
  • 22:13:53: Dwemer35: Bye
  • 22:14:28: Nekyn Alb: See ya o/
  • 22:14:34: Nekyn Alb: Bork
  • 22:19:43: Dwemer35: Hello
  • 22:19:46: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: hi
  • 22:20:02: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: had to miss the moot due to dinner being ready
  • 22:21:20: DaBarkspawn: Food good
  • 22:23:47: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: test
  • 22:24:44: Nekyn Alb: no u
  • 22:25:04: Ottoman Hold: Test failed. We'll get 'em next time
  • 22:28:57: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: was anything worth mentioning discussed in the moot?
  • 22:29:08: DaBarkspawn: two proposals passed
  • 22:29:30: DaBarkspawn: one to not use mer names if the game doesn't (e.g., Arena, Daggerfall, others)
  • 22:29:43: DaBarkspawn: One to add Blades to the Lore menu drop down
  • 22:29:55: Ottoman Hold: From the summary, it's all design changes
  • 22:30:08: DaBarkspawn: ~one to bring them all and in the darkness bind them~
  • 22:30:13: Ottoman Hold: I would have thought Blades was added already...
  • 22:30:22: DaBarkspawn: *shrug*
  • 22:31:20: Ottoman Hold: Meh, isn't it a bit different
  • 22:31:36: The Beautiful Princess Ashley: laptop's being too crappy for chat atm. i think i'll just leave
  • 22:32:01: Ottoman Hold: bye bye then
  • 22:32:52: Nekyn Alb: o/
  • 22:33:06: Nekyn Alb: Blades is coming out for all platforms in existence
  • 22:33:11: Nekyn Alb: It's a bit complicated
  • 22:34:04: Ottoman Hold: Just looks like it's going to be pc and phones from a google search
  • 22:37:21: KINMUNE: Hello there, Eric Snowmane!
  • 22:38:10: Nekyn Alb: It's definitely planned to come to consoles, VR and mobile devices
  • 22:38:23: DaBarkspawn: What about Amiga?
  • 22:38:28: Nekyn Alb: I understood that they even want it on PS3 and XBox 360
  • 22:54:21: KINMUNE: Hello there, CatholicPrincess15!
  • 22:54:36: CatholicPrincess15: Did I miss the moot?
  • 22:55:43: High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia: yes
  • 23:29:00: CatholicPrincess15: Well, A for effort, I guess.
  • 23:47:31: KINMUNE: Hello there, ItsScorpior!
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