Welcome[edit source]

Hi there.

  • The septim icon is a template that is pulled with the following text: { { G } } (no spaces) to give: Gold.
  • As for general editing please see Guidance on style and formatting as it will give you an idea of how out pages should be structured.
  • Any question about categories you can ask me, as I'm in the process of restructuring several categories trees and it's ongoing.
  • Remember to never use "you" when writing, for example: "To obtain this weapon you need to complete a quest". Try to word it without, but if you much then use "The Dragonborn".
  • We don't use "Notes" as a header. It's always "Trivia".
  • If editing lore articles please use in-line references - if you need help just ask and leave a message - im almost always on :-) Jimeee (talk) 13:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
Generally, when referring to the player character we use the title of the hero as listed here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Heroes. So Oblivion is Hero of Kvatch and Morrowind is Nerevarine.
As for other work, i'm doing a small project at the moment, but we will be organising some clean up work soon and you can help us out with that if you like Jimeee (talk) 13:40, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Alftand Animonculory[edit source]

Many pages currently link to the Alftand Animonculory page, so I'm going to leave it for now and add a Merge suggestion to the top of the page, so it can be discussed by others if they agree it should be merged. —TombRaiser 00:14, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Templates[edit source]

We have a clothing template for all clothing in Skyrim. Also when making a new page its worth looking at either the style guide or an existing clothing item page to see how it should look.

Categories such as "Items" and "Skyrim: Items" don't belong on a clothing page too. Also try to only use one of the stubs categories. Thanks.

Jimeee (talk) 20:15, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Feedback[edit source]

Hi there. Yes the infobox looks fine. One thing to keep in mind for the body of the article is the correct headings.

An example of an almost perfect Weapons page layout is Chillrend (Skyrim). It has a standard opening lead and very good heading structure. The goal is for every weapon page on the wiki to follow this style. Also another good example is Daedric Sword.

Im currently doing several things right now, but weapons is something im going to focus on very soon. We can work together on this - so for example take a look at Skyrim: Weapons by Type - This is how I have broken down all the Skyrim weapons. I can work on Swords for example you you can pick Daggers and we can work through each page fixing and standardising them. Tell me if you are interested. Jimeee (talk) 10:13, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

If we follow the this guide it will be fine: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki:Style_and_formatting/Weapons.
Physical appearance descriptions are not a must, but are nice to have when we can.
As for the Tone of the Bugs section. Personally, unless the spelling and grammar is terrible or it's a duplicate or been fixed, I don't change these for tone.
Basically the most important headers are:
  • The lead (Daedric Sword is a weapon found in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.)
  • Enchantment (only for enchanted weapons - see Mehrunes' Razor (Skyrim)
  • Acquisition or Locations (never both)
  • Attributes (not every weapon will needs this as it's in the infobox - only for leveled weapons)
  • Smithing (for the weapons in Skyrim: Weapon Sets only)
  • Usefulness (Use very rarely)
  • Trivia
  • Bugs
Jimeee (talk) 14:34, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
I have made this page as a checklist and for discussion: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jimeee/Skyrim_Weapons_Project
As for your questions. Dont worry about adding the figures for leveled stats of weapons. We already have that info.
In general it's better not to use images from UESP - never ever use their written words in copy and paste - even if you do source it. There is nothing against researching for info on the web - but always write your own words and if you are not good at writing then don't write anything. Any UESP plagiarism is removed asap so there is no point on doing it in the first place.
There isn't really a page will the templates like Gold, you kinda pick them up as you go along. For bugs pages you can use { { ALLPLAT } } to give  PC   360   PS3  .
Flightmare did the dragonscript, but falmer script isn't a huge priority right now. I play on 360.
Also I forgot to mention that I edit mostly while at work so I dont have access to facebook or chat, but the project talk page should be ok - or im sometimes on the wiki IRC later.
Jimeee (talk) 13:19, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
It's cool i'm always happy to help. As for the Nightingale Sentinel‎‎ page - yes it is correctly licenced and sourced and it's appreciated that has been done, but the reason we dont like using UESP images is because one of their admins made a huge noise about it (despite it being perfectly allowed). It caused a big drama and it's something we don't want to do again.Secondly, we also don't want to seem as though we are relying on them for images, as we are a big enough site that we should be able to get our own images. Using their stuff makes us look second best - something we don't want.

We have a category called Skyrim: Image Needed that you can use also.

Daedric Mace (Skyrim)‎‎[edit source]

Hi there, me again. Just need to have a quick word about the formatting of this page in regards to standardisation. Please take this as construcitve advice!

There a few changes you have made that were already an agreed standard on other pages. I probably should have told you earlier so i'm sorry for that. Basically a while back all the Skyrim Daedric weapons were standardised and sections like Smithing and Atronach Forge were made almost identical. I see some minor wording changes have been made that we may need to standardise these again.

Secondly we never use the septim icon Gold as a replacement for the word in a sentence. Same for weight and damage icons.

Also, the header "Location" was correct before. "Acquisition" as a header is only used when the item is unique or can only be found in a very specific way.

Furthermore, the locations of weapon found must be as brief as possible which is why "Both enchanted and unenchanted maces can be found in chests at higher levels, albeit rarely." is sufficient. Entries like "console commands" or "found on NPC's" are redundant as can apply to every single weapon. This gets out of control and messy fast.

The apperance section you added is detailed and very impressive, but it is perhaps too detailed for the purposes of the wiki. Emperor's Robes (Skyrim) or Chillrend (Skyrim) are good examples of an Apperance section - most importantly they are brief and to the point.

Don't worry, these are easily fixed - I'll make a quick edit to Daedric Mace page shortly to show you what I mean. Slowly, you will get the style and format that pages need to be in, and it will become second nature to you, so don't be disheartened by any changes I make to the page :)

Jimeee (talk) 12:21, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Weapons category[edit source]

Hey CyberDemiGod. Good job fixing up those Mace pages. Just a little FYI, you don't have to add "Category:Skyrim: Weapons" to pages if the "SkyrimWeapons" template is being used, because that template will automatically add the category for you. Keep up the good work! —TombRaiser 03:58, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Apperances[edit source]

Hey there, just going over some of your work. It's going great - I have tidied up a few things - like disambiguations (no need for a description).

Also, is it possible to keep your Appearance sections a little shorter? They are very long and detailed and although it's nice to have, the focus of the page isn't necessarily what the weapon looks like - thanks :-)

Jimeee (talk) 10:16, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Unsigned message (Unititled)[edit source]

I'd love to take pictures, and if you don't like the ones I send, just delete them. Now, how do you recommend I actually send them, through email?

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Second Message (Untitled)[edit source]

Ok, my email is Brenston123@*.com

Brenston123 (talk) 03:54, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


The Guardian Stones[edit source]

south of the Warrior Stone, Thief Stone, and Mage Stone (the first three Guardian Stones).

This was more accurate, as The Guardian Stones is a generic page about the various stones found throughout Skyrim, rather than the specific "The Guardian Stones" location present on the map.

I do feel that we should have a specific page about the location, i.e. have a disambiguation page and two different pages called 'The Guardian Stones (items)' and 'The Guardian Stones (location)', or something along that line. Thoughts ?


Blade of the Rift[edit source]

There is no actual "Blade of the Rift" or "Blade of Riften". The weapon that is rewarded to the player upon becoming Thane is a generic leveled enchanted weapon. I'm not sure if I would classify this as a bug, or just as the Jarl being cheap... It is Riften after all. —TombRaiser 22:44, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and updated the Thane Weapons images earlier today. I hadn't added an image for Blade of the Rift yet though. I suppose any of the Thane weapon images that I uploaded would be fine to use, since as you said, they are all randomly generated anyways. I guess it's okay to have it for consistency purposes, so we will leave that page up. Thanks for all your hard work on standardizing those pages. —TombRaiser 05:19, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thane weapons[edit source]

I have has a look at the thane weapons. It would have been good to perhaps do standardize one thane weapon page first - then we could have reviewed it and once it was ok then applied it to the other pages.

Just at a glance:

  • The "appearance" header should be before Acquisition as per other pages.
  • The wording is needs adjusted, parts like "go do some quests and then return later and accept it." is not to standard.
  • A full stop/period is missing on several Trivia section paragraphs. This not a big deal, but it could have been avoided if we gave one thane page a review before applying the standard to all pages.
  • The bugs sections don't include  PC   360   PS3  

I suggest we go back and standardize a single page and once it is perfect, we apply the changes to all the other Thane pages.

I will standardize Blade of Haafingar and you can check the changes - if we are happy with it we can apply the standard to thane weapons.

Jimeee (talk) 08:27, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I have had a closer look and have fixed a few things - thane weapons need to be dealt with slightly differently to standard weapons. I really wish you had given me a quick message to check before applying all thane pages as we will need to go back and fix the other pages.
Have a look at Blade of Haafingar. There are many important changes that you should take note of if you are going to be updating other pages. I will help too.
Also, don't worry about having your hard work fixed or even overwritten. It is the nature of a wiki for that to happen. If it's for the greater good then you should not worry about it. Much of my own work gets changed if it can be improved.
Jimeee (talk) 10:19, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Blade of Haafingar[edit source]

Hi again. I have had a look at your changes. Some are useful - but some require tweaking, so i'll explain the changes below:

  1. Properties is ok for this set of pages, as thane weapons are semi-unique in nature. It should not be used anywhere else though.
  2. Removing "Excludes Gold, Silver and Quicksilver." - Weapons can't be crafted from these materials anyway so this is just confusing. Silver weapons are so rare that there is no need to mention them.
  3. Removing "Must be a weapon enchantment. (i.e. Frost Damage)" - This is an obvious fact so it's not needed.
  4. Tweaking the part about glow. "If the enchantment is depleted the glow will fade away and will return once the enchantment has been repleted." - this part is not needed as this applies to all enchanted weapons and we certainly don't mention that on every other other enchanted weapon page.
  5. I liked your idea for Acquisition, but it needed tweaking for clarity and tone so I have bullet-pointed the conditions.
  6. Small tweak to Smithing.

The page is looking good, im happy for this to be applied to all Thane Weapons if you are cool.

Jimeee (talk) 12:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ok that's good to hear. If you would like to go ahead and make the thane updates as im pretty busy with other things.
Just be really strict with the standards - most of the other Thane weapons will be a identical and thus a copy and paste job, the only parts that will need adjustment is the Acquisition section, the weapon class and "This weapon serves as the badge of office for the Thane of Haafingar" etc. Thanks for the help.
Jimeee (talk) 15:18, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Introduction[edit source]

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Thane Weapons[edit source]

Yes, great job on the standardization. I have had a quick glance at them and they seem good. It's good you noticed the new "perk" field in the infobox - that is new and I need to add it to all pages.

Also I have constructed a new standard for enchanted items as seen on Mehrunes' Razor:

The <weapon name> can be upgraded with an <ingot> and the Arcane Blacksmith perk, however it does not benefit from any smithing perks. This means that the weapon cannot be improved past flawless quality without boosting the Smithing skill over 100. This can be achieved by using enchanted apperal or blacksmithing potions to Fortify Smithing.

This paragraph is to be used most for Daedric items that dont have a smithing perk associated with it. Also I consider Elven Sword to be an almost perfect display of each standard for a weapon page so if in doubt, look at that page and see how each section is done.

Also note the class in the infobox - Class: One-Handed, Sword. I'll add all this info in the project talk page, but just letting you know. Keep up the great work!

Jimeee (talk) 11:58, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Windhelm[edit source]

It's not actually a Honey Badger, its a bear, due to The Bear of Markarth.

Jimeee (talk) 17:06, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

RE: query/question[edit source]

Hey CyberDemiGod, just had a look at the Thane Weapons, and it looks great. You did a good job cleaning up the page and standardizing it. Jimeee is a good teacher for these things. :)

As for a list of supportable Fonts on the wiki, I don't know if there is a list, I would assume that all of the basic web-supported fonts would work in signatures. I actually have never experimented with my own signature, someone else made mine for me. I'm also not as good as I once was with HTML, so believe it or not, I still seek out guidance from those that know it better, espcially when it comes to creating and edting templates. But, anyway, your new signature looks good. —TombRaiser 17:09, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Projects[edit source]

Hey there. There is no 'official' way to set up your own projects. You can simply do it how I have by creating a sub page tied to your account and add the content like I have. Hope to see you around!

Jimeee (talk) 08:26, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit source]

Hey there good to have you back. Yeah the weapons project is almost done so thats cool. About:

What what, when I am making the page, do I just enter in the name field "User:CyberDemiGod/Skyrim_Appearance_Description_Project"

Yes, thats right, just create the page and that's it. 1 thing - remember to keep the descriptions brief and not too detailed. The pages are about the stats of the weapon and enchantments, so descriptions are secondary. However one area where nice detailed descriptions are very welcome is location pages - for example I wrote a few of the "interior" sections myself for "The Drunken Huntsman" and "Warmaiden's". More pages could use stuff like that.

Jimeee (talk) 15:06, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

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