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--Atvelonis (talk) 07:45, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Break[edit source]

Hi, do you have a source for the information to added to the Dragon Break page here? It is very important that you apply references to lore content that you add, especially on important, high-traffic articles such as that one. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 21:46, August 19, 2016 (UTC)

If you do not have a source, I will simply revert your edit, as all lore information must be referenced. So, if you would like it to stay, you should provide something. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 23:00, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
That was the thing about the one with a destroyed Tamriel not being canon, right? Gaggle Zealot (talk) 18:37, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was referring to. —Atvelonis (talk) 22:21, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
Well one would assume that would be the case concerning the fact that no one (in-game) remembers that ending and, in the reports from Oblivion (imperial-library.info/content/warp-west) make the event seem as though they all had happened at the same time (as is the nature of a Dragon Break). None of those accounts have anything close to a memory about being stomped on by a giant stomps robot (Numidium). So, by that reasoning, one would assume that that ending didn't happen, as people usually remember at least some version of how things went down, if not all of them happening at once. Gaggle Zealot (talk) 15:23, August 25, 2016 (UTC)
(Sorry for the late reply, I have been having connection issues lately) That's a reasonable theory, but it's not the type of content we rely on for wiki articles. We can't really work off of implications; we need traceable, factual sources for everything. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:32, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Dawnstar[edit source]

Hi, in reference to your edit here, my understanding is that the creatures encountered in Dawnstar are not necessarily Snow Elves, but simply members of the "Ice Tribes." This is an ambiguous classification and is definitely not enough to go off on for a date. Besides, from what I can tell there seems to be a human Empire at play during the game; no such human empire existed until the First Empire of the Nords in the early First Era. I am going to have to remove the statement you added again if there isn't anything concrete in the game about a time period. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:11, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

In doing a little more research, I have discovered that it seems to take place much, much later than I had originally thought. Like 2nd-3rd era later. When exactly will almost certainly be impossible, but it just keeps getting more and more interesting. Redguard confirms that there are in fact Dwemer ruins present, and Skyrim confirms the same for its province. Additionally, the Ice Tribes are still present in Shadowkey, which takes place around the same time as Arena. Also, the title of Governor, along with the very Imperial-sounding names, leads me to believe that this is after the Empire has been formed and has taken Skyrim. Dawnstar the fortress was destroyed on 2E 283, so by now the Dwemer are long, long gone. This is still quite some time before Skyrim, so there's plenty of time for more devolution. Additionally, I can't find anything regarding what destroyed said fortress, and judging by the overall appearance of Dawnstar in the game, it definitely seems more fortress like than city like.
In conclusion, I was absolutely wrong, but I think I have developed a reasonable and new date for the game.
Also sorry if my explanation seems rambly. I was typing some of it while referencing new sources. Gaggle Zealot (talk) 03:32, May 27, 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for looking into it more. If I happen to find any specific references to the game's time period in the future, I'll let you know. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:36, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

Source Editor[edit source]

Hello again, good work with the Dawnstar pages. Going through your edits on Recent Changes, I noticed that you seem to be using Wikia's proprietary "Visual Editor" to make contributions. This is a good way to get into editing—I used it myself when I first joined—but it causes a lot of formatting issues, such as this, and I don't think it teaches you the fundamentals of editing that well.

I would recommend you go into Special:Preferences, and under the "Editing" tab select "Source Editor" as your default editor, then Save. Source may look a little complicated to use, but it has a lot more features than Visual, and has none of the bugs I mentioned before. I have a guide explaining the syntax here, and you could also join the wiki's Discord server to ask for assistance too. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 16:09, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Shadowkey dialogue[edit source]

Hey Zealot, good work with the Shadowkey character dialogue! I would ask however for you to include the player's dialogue as well, similar to this page, sine it seems that a lot of them are responses to that. If you have any questions about how to further format that, feel free to ask. For a pointer, you can look at how dialogue in some of Skyrim's characters is written, like here. Of course, it doesn't have to be exactly the same in everything, but it's a good in order to get a small picture in regards to how the formatting should be. Thanks, and hope to see you around! —Rozty (talk) 10:22, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Gehenoth[edit source]

No need, I'll take your word for it. I've renamed the images now. It's important that images use the correct filenames, both for SEO purposes and so that people simply don't get confused. In the future if you make a typo in the title of a file, ask a patroller or administrator to rename it (it's no bother). You can also just add the {{Rename}} template to the file summary with the new title as the second variable (e.g. {{Rename|Gehenoth Thriceborn.png}}); the file will be added to a maintenance category that we check periodically. —Atvelonis (talk) 13:47, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I did a reverse image search and it looks like the images you uploaded of Gehenoth are both taken from the UESP's article on the creature. While it is technically legal to use their content if licensed properly, and with full attribution, we have a mutual agreement with the UESP not to use each other's content. What you should do is go to the "File History" tab of each of the Gehenoth images you uploaded here and click "Upload a new version of this file" with images you have taken yourself. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:01, July 15, 2018 (UTC)
On it salute Gaggle Zealot (talk) 14:37, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Dawnstar and Stormhold items[edit source]

Hello there, just letting you know that I created item templates for you to use for Dawnstar and Stormhold. You can see them here and here respectively. Just copy the text you see and fill in anything you need. You also don't have to manually add the item category, the template does that for you. If you feel like anything is missing or something should be removed, let me know and I can adjust it.

Also, I'll create categories for the consumable items for each game later, so we don't have to use the Travels one for both, but before I do that, I wanted to know, is there much of a difference between a consumable item such as the Camp Ward and a usable magic item like the Ailment Ointment? I wanted to know, since if I am to make categories for them, they will have to be named accordingly. Thanks and see ya! —Rozty (talk) 14:19, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

Ah, ok I understand now. There would be too many categories to keep track of and too little pages in each one if we went on with that, true. But since there is that distinction, it would be a good idea to include it in the items' pages, since something being labeled consumable like Camp Ward would normally lead to people thinking it can only be used once. Including a sort sentence either on the lead or as a trivia point would be enough to clarify this.
I'll also be removing the item values and weight wherever necessary, thanks for the info! Hope to see you around more! Rozty (talk) 00:57, February 2, 2019 (UTC)
What do you mean by "image sections"? We typically include images in the infobox, but a gallery is only necessary if you need to show a lot of images on the same article. It would be good for you to take a screenshot of these items (or if there is only one sprite for all of them, just the one) and upload it. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:59, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

Contractions[edit source]

Hi, just a quick formatting thing, but for the same reason that we try to avoid second person in articles, it's best to avoid the use of contractions in a formal setting like the mainspace as you did here. It can be a tough habit to break, but contractions indicate a level of informality that isn't exactly desirable on a wiki page. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:55, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Appearances[edit source]

Yes, that counts as an appearance. It would just have to be noted that it's a "mentioned only" appearance with the template {{Mo}} right after the game. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:04, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

Syntax[edit source]

Hi Gaggle Zealot, good work with the Travels content. I just wanted to inform you of a useful syntax trick you can do with wikitext when you have a situation like this, where you're essentially doubling the length of a link's code while only adding one letter to the final appearance. Instead of using a pipe link [[Overseer|Overseers]], you can simply write [[Overseer]]s. The output is exactly the same, and it's a little bit neater for anyone who comes along in the Source Editor, so it's the preferred format. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:55, January 31, 2019 (UTC)

TeS travels: How to play them?[edit source]

I saw from a news update that you were adding content for the Elder Scrolls Travels games. Are you just datamining them or did you manage to find a way to play them? I found the files a few years ago after a lot of searching but I have no idea how to play them. I heard I could use a Nokia N-Guage memory card. I bought an N-guage to play Shadowkey but I don't have a memory card to test out the other 2 yet. 

HaxAras (talk) 11:47, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Get the .jar files and run them through a Java emulator like J2ME Loader
Gaggle Zealot (talk) 23:30, March 9, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll give it a try. I only found out last night that one version of the game had a special class. Did you manage to find a .jar file that had the class in it? I had a hard enough time finding the games in general. 
HaxAras (talk) 00:45, March 10, 2019 (UTC)
Luckily I have them on my Google Drive.
Stormhold: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1roeQmV2DBAWhf0m3N9PxD39MH9ziKUAC/view?usp=drivesdk
Dawnstar: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wzYinfZXdf4uYHgPxQ0TgkynZK48y7SA/view?usp=drivesdk
Gaggle Zealot (talk) 23:57, March 10, 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm a bit busy editing my own wiki or I'd try to help you document them. Thanks for finally shedding some light on these games!
HaxAras (talk) 00:53, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguations[edit source]

Hi Gaggle Zealot, you've been doing very good work recently, thank you. I had a quick comment: when you create an article with a game suffix, for example Magicka Potion (Dawnstar), you should remember to add a link to it on the appropriate disambiguation page, in this case Magicka Potion, or create one if there is none, linking to both pages with this name on the wiki. You can then add links to the disambig using the {{For}} template, as I've done on the page linked above. This improves navigation for readers and is a standard across the wiki. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:02, June 16, 2019 (UTC)

Re: For Your Consideration: New Ideas Regarding the Placement of Dawnstar on the Timeline[edit source]

That theory sounds reasonable to me, but the problem here is that we need more than guesswork to really put anything on the wiki. If Bethesda releases some piece of content that says, "Dawnstar took place during the Potentate's rule," for example, then it would not exactly be original research to connect the dots and say that, therefore, the attack on Dawnstar in 2E 283 is the same one that is in the game. This would just be a logical conclusion. But until that happens, I'm afraid we can't state our analysis as fact on the encyclopedia. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:48, June 17, 2019 (UTC) Fair enough Gaggle Zealot (talk) 15:17, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

Ledes[edit source]

Hi Gaggle Zealot, nice work with the The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion Mobile content. That's a pretty uncommon game for people to play, much less upload images from, so thank you greatly! A quick piece of feedback: when you create articles like Stefan, you need to put a lede paragraph prior to any headings. This is critical for search engine optimization. For characters, this is usually something like "X is a <race> in <location> who does <activity>" at the bare minimum (the gender is not used in the lede). It can be a sentence or a few. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 20:31, November 21, 2019 (UTC)

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