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Quick tip (If you want it)[edit source]

Hey Louise,

First off wanna say you're either awesome or crazy or both. I have no clue how you can edit so much. But to the point I guess. I can't tell if you're using this since the summary for your page creation doesn't go down long enough, but using {{subst:PAGENAME}} helps out a ton when you make a ton of new pages. It's essentially like {{PAGENAME}}, but the main difference is it actually puts the real pagename when you create the page. If you haven't heard of this before, I recommend you try it out; it's a fairly simple thing, and can save you a ton of time.

Just thought I'd throw that tip by you. If you already knew it, you can easily ignore this message I guess. Thanks for all the editing dude. If you need anything let somebody know, we'd be glad to help The_CrusaderTalkpage07:00:33 January 09, 2017_

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a little bit of both. As for your tip, I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by that. I have some notion of what {{PAGENAME}} but I don't know what {{subst:PAGENAME}} is or does. I just got done doing the Imperials so I'm about to go to bed. If you can explain a little bit more what it is and how I should implement it into my editing, I would appreciate it. And if you say it helps more and saves time, I'm all for it. Thanks again for the kind words and good day/night. || Louise || 07:07, January 9, 2017 (UTC)
Since I'm assuming you're probably going to read this when you wake up, good morning. I don't mind explaining what it does at all. So, as you probably know, {{PAGENAME}} basically takes the pagename of the page the template is on, like Louise 069 for this page's case. That would look like this in the syntax, as I'm sure you already know
'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a character that is stupid and is in Online.
When you add subst: to it, things get a bit more interesting. "Subst" is basically a command that says "Place the actual thing instead of what I'm saying." So, instead of using {{PAGENAME}} in the editor, when you type {{subst:PAGENAME}} and save it'll actually save as the real pagename, which would be Louise 069. If you want to you can check the history of this edit to your TP you can notice how I'm using the template and not just being evil and typing the name.*This doesnt work anymore for some reason
The entire concept is actually relatively new to me (I figured it out on my own) so I don't know none of the really crazy things we can do with it, but I think the subst command doesn't have a lot of practical commands in editing except for page creation and bot work, but you're doing a nice amount of the first one. If you want to see a working example of how this can work in page creation, just check out this. There should be a createbox that can show you how to use it in a page (this thing ). If you want, just type in something like "User:Louise_069/Pagename" and test it out. The majority of the stuff up there isn't really new to you, by far, but the subst thing should kind of explain itself when you make a page with that if you don't know what I mean yet.
If you still don't understand the concept of it's all, that's ok too. A lot of people don't even know how to really edit because they think doing simple stuff like linking is crazy, but this stuff actually is kind of crazy when you get to substs and stuff. But if you do understand what I mean, I'm more than glad that I could help. I'm willing to type out an even longer response if you need it, although I don't think you do - you seem to be a pretty smart person, from what I can tell anyway lol. But until then I'm sleepy and I still have some odd 1900 pages to go over. The_CrusaderTalkpage07:26:16 January 09, 2017_
Alright, I just used it in the new page I created but I don't personally see any differences from what it usually looks like once it's saved. Did I do it right or am I implementing it in a wrong way? Ab'jhad is the page I'm referring to. --|| Louise || 13:31, January 9, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, it looks like you done it right it to me. The whole thing is a little more underwhelming once you learn it lol. The_CrusaderTalkpage03:36:02 January 09, 2017_
Oh, cool. I was expecting... something a little more significant I suppose. Oh well, I will continue to do so and if (and when) it starts wonking out on me, don't hesitate to point it out to me. I can be pretty damn oblivious to that sort of thing.|| Louise || 15:39, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

Captain Jena[edit source]


She didn't disobey orders, it was her Legion, nobody ordered her to stay. She was the one giving the orders.

Oh really? So when a country bombs another one, said country is also filled with war criminals due to the civilians who get killed? No.

Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 23:58, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Captain Jena isn't the almighty leader of the Imperial Legion. Yes, she commanded soldiers, but she had orders to stay and fight at the Imperial City, just like many others. She disobeyed those orders and left out of her own volition. That, makes you a deserter.
For your second point, you can't compare these two at all. War crimes consist of intentionally killing civilians, prisoners and etc. When a country bombs another one, they are generally not doing it with the purpose in mind to blow up civies. It happens most of the time, and I won't condone that, but that's called collateral damage. In Captain Jena's case, she asked for provisions. The mayor and the townsfolk said they needed it badly and couldn't spare any. And what does she do in response to that? She proceeds to slaughter, innocent, unnarmed people for supplies. There's a major difference. || Louise || 00:05, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
Where is it stated that she disobeyed orders? Nowhere, there's nothing stating she did. All she did was take her own Legion and move away. That's no more desertion than General Tullius moving his soldiers to Eastmarch to capture Ulfric at Darkwater Crossing. She isn't a deserter. There's litterally nothing stating that she was ordered to stay and fight.
She doesn't kill just to kill, she killed to get her Legion the supplies it rightfully was allowed to get. The civilians would die either way, she just gave them a quick death rather than starvation. The Legion's allowed to take supplies from cities as they see fit as long as it's under a Legion Commander's command. Look at how General Tullius conscripts men from Solitude and how the coffers are drained, not of the Empire itself, but of the Holds of Skyrim in TES:V.
Really, she isn't a deserter, nor a war criminal, Bravil in fact had no right to disobey the direct order of a Legion Commander.
P.S, next time, go to my talkpage when you respond, otherwise there's no way for me to find out.
Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 10:23, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
Ugh. A captain and a general are two complete different things. General Tullius is the acting commander officer of the Legion forces in the whole of Skyrim, while Captain Jena was just one of the many found in the Imperial City. So he obviously has more authority over things than she ever could have.
And no, it isn't stated anywhere that she "disobeyed orders" but it is to be assumed that, since she is a captain, which is not the highest rank in the legion, she received orders from her higher-ups. And never have I heard cities throwing their supplies at every soldier passing through. That's absurd to say that they disobeyed anything in wanting to preserve themselves.
No matter what you believe, Captain Jena doesn't have a Legion to her name. She is not as important as Septima Tharn, for example, which is leading the Seventh Legion. Now that's a legion. A bunch of troops is a bunch of troops, nothing more.
And finally, no, I will continue to post here on my talk page since you took the time to open the thread here. You just need to check it up once in a while, shouldn't be too hard. || Louise || 14:57, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
And? Captain Jena was also a commander, hence why she had the control over a Legion.
Prove that they were ordered to remain in the city. Jena's Legion was recovering from campaigning. Read The Butcher of Bravil for once, the entire story is explained there.
She owned a full Legion. "My soldiers were enjoying a much-deserved break from battle when chains fell chains for the sky." are you going to claim that she became a deserter there? After all, clearly her troops weren't ordered to take a break. "They didn't have much, but what they did have was desperately needed by me and my legion." keywords: My and Legion, she commanded a Legion. "I sent the bulk of my legion back to rendezvous with the rest of the army outside the Imperial City." Seriously, read the sources for once, you're nearly as frustrating as Sports was. Just stop it, don't place your headcanon as fact, and take what is presented.
Of course I opened the bloody thread here, how else to draw your bloody attention to it? An edit war? Do you know what happened last time that occured? Skyrim Civil War, Markarth, Markarth Incident, Ulfric Stormcloak. Seriously, what kind of a broken argument is that? Read up on what you post, copy-and-pasting from the UESP is something everybody can do, and something which you seem to prefer. Wouldn't surprise me that you invalidate my post based off of what the UESP says, instead of looking at the game.
Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 18:04, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

(←) Yes, I'm sure a lot of soldiers in the Imperial Legion stuck in the Imperial City would enjoy a good long break. And a full Legion isn't a couple dozens soldiers, in case you didn't know.

And I like how you base your argument on a book that she wrote herself. Surely she wouldn't alter a few things to keep face in light of what happened in Bravil, right? No, that would be unheard of...

Anyways, I'm done arguing with an Imperial brick wall. All the sources you've listed here and your previous posts I've seen are always biased in some way. And you resorting to personal attacks tells me everything I need to know about your arguing skills. I'll say it again and I will stand by it. Captain Jena Apinia, by all means and definitions, is a deserter and a war criminal, no matter how hard you try to spin it. || Louise || 18:48, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Except that they weren't stuck, they were on a break in the Imperial City. And she doesn't have a couple of soldiers she sent the bulk of her Legion back to the Imperial City after what happened at Bravil. She commanded a full Legion, not a "couple of soldiers".
And I like how you base your argument off of a Dominion spy and nothing else. Just so you know, that book does happen to be written as a journal from the Captain herself (as I said, read the bloody book). And we have a NPOV policy on the wiki, you can't just remove something because you dislike it, both sides of the story need to be on the wiki, it's part of the rules here.
The only one with bias here would be you. You claim she's a deserter - with no evidence. You claim she's a war criminal - with no evidence. You claim she didn't command a full legion - with no evidence.
She isn't a deserter, because she never disobeyed orders. Her Legion was on a break, and instead of fighting (which she wasn't ordered to do) she simply wanted to retreat and fight another day. By your logic: General Decianus and General Jonna are deserters because they left Hammerfell and Skyrim during the Great War. Great logic right there. (sarcasm) Nowhere is it stated that she had to stay in the IC.
And no, she isn't a war criminal. She demanded supplies for her Legion, and wasn't granted it. By her right as a commander of a Legion, she could simply exterminate all of Bravil or force the supplies. Either way, people would die, this was just the faster way.
Now come with evidence as to why she's a deserter and a war criminal, you can't just say she is without any evidence. Then again, you claim I'm biased, without any evidence. Funny how I'm the one who takes in both accounts, while you dismiss one. Continue down this path and I'm taking Carlo into this, stop with your little personal agenda, and look at the wiki policy.
Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 19:10, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
I said my piece, I'm done here. Interpret that as you will. || Louise || 19:12, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
No, nothing interpet that as you will. You have two options, accepting or denying. If you remain silent, I'll edit the page, and you wont revert it, because we don't want an edit war. If you accept, I'll edit the page. And if you deny, I'll bring Carlo into this. Either follow the NPOV policy or knock it off, if you wish to revert your vandalism, go right ahead.
Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 20:35, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
Vandalism, huh? You've got a pretty broad definition of the term there. Go ahead then, edit out my "vandalism" if it makes you feel any happier. Your veiled threats of bringing admins out do little on me. || Louise || 20:39, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

(←) "Vandalism: Willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property." So yeah, it was vandalism. But glad to see that you came to your senses, I'll return the npov and restore the page to how it's meant to be according to policy. Blademaster Jauffre (talk) 21:10, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Right... came to my senses... Yeah that's it... || Louise || 21:46, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
Most people who disagree with you on content are not vandals. This isn't vandalism, this is a NPOV dispute. Vandalism requires that the perpetrator be actively trying to undermine the integrity of the wiki; Louise doesn't appear to be doing that at all. I'm not going to pick a side, because it seems that you two have settled this already, but I do want to make it clear that this sort of issue should be resolved without any hostilities. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:19, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
After spending 3 years on the Guild Wars 2 wiki, I have a concrete idea of what vandalism really is and my edit was in no way motivated in that regard. After reading some of Jauffre's posts and earlier incidents, I somewhat knew what to expect. I'm all for arguing to come to an agreement but I don't take too kindly to personal attacks and it seriously disencourages me to go any further into an argument. I've read the in-game book The Butcher of Bravil and I still stand by what I said. But I don't want to waste any more of my time into this already tired discussion. Thank you for understanding, Atv. || Louise || 22:47, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit source]

Good to see you back! And by the way, the NDA for ESO: Morrowind lifted this morning; if you have any NPC data from that, feel free to add it as well. :) —Atvelonis (talk) 19:14, May 22, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I figured I could pop back in for a little while since I don't have too much going on at the moment. Don't know if I'll stay for long but atleast I'll continue where I left off while I am here. Concerning Morrowind, I'm not really up to date nor do I even play the game anymore so I don't have really much to add on that side of things. || Louise || 19:19, May 22, 2017 (UTC)

Fishy stick[edit source]

Have a fishy stick!
{{{1}}} has awarded you a Fishy stick! <- Personalized message goes here ->

Here have one, i don't go around "rewarding" this to everyone, so feel blessed! XD Seriously though, congrats on creating an excessive amount of eso pages. Have a nice day/evening. Starkiller131 (talk) 00:57, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

As I've said the last time I was granted one, I'm not really into seafood. But, thanks is thanks, so I appreciate it. Cheers! || Louise || 00:59, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

ESO Morrowind categories[edit source]

Hi Louise,

I figured you might be adding some The Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind articles soon, so I just wanted to let you know we're categorizing ESO Morrowind stuff under Category:ESO Morrowind: thing. So for Seyda Neen Characters, we use Category:ESO Morrowind: Seyda Neen Characters. Thanks!—CarloV3r (talk) 06:35, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'm still doing Nords so I have quite a lot of things left after that. I don't even know if I'll ever come to those things so I won't get too ahead of myself. But if I ever do, I'll keep it in mind. || Louise || 06:39, May 24, 2017 (UTC)
Also, it might be a bit confusing, but for the missing template, we're using {{Missing|Online: Morrowind}}. Same goes for the stub template: {{Stub|Online: Morrowind|Character}}. We might change it later for the sake of consistency, but you can use those for now.—CarloV3r (talk) 08:53, May 24, 2017 (UTC)
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