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RE: Deletions

I received your message about not manually adding articles to the Deletion Candidates List.  Just to ask: why not?  I don't think you explained why and it doesn't seem to make a difference either way. Legoguy451 (talk) 20:06, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Games in lead

Ok Spey, read here Thread:286548, this happened several months before I got to be sysop. We didn't vote but had a discussion about it. It was decided that most infoboxes should be removed of the default lead and the game except the quest articles and a few more if I rememeber correctly, in Oblivion and Skyrim plus DLCs but some was forgotten I think, Tomb run the bot to remove them. If the lead is possible to remove, then it should be. The game is still a default in the infoboxes in Morrowind I think, but in those days not many edited them so we never talked about it. Ghost have removed a couple I think in Dragonborn after this. I'm going home now so if you have more questions ask me and I'll reply later on in the evening. EbonySkyrim Message! 15:58, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Re: edits

Thanks Spey, it was a wonderful feeling to reach the number and I did stop on purpose last night so I could have it for a little while. EbonySkyrim Message! 11:16, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


TheDestroyer111 from now on sees that only official images/tes game screenshots are allowed on articles, but, due to the fact that there are lots of not surely official concept arts on this wiki's articles, TheDestroyer111 has made it properly this time: he has written under the pictures in the article about Kagrenac that they are just pieces of fan art, so TheDestroyer111 hopes that you won't delete them but leave them since TheDestroyer111 has noticed that they are just some fan art. And if there is still something wrong, you can always specify it on TheDestroyer111's message board, so that he knows what to improve. No, TheDestroyer111 doesn't want to fill your wiki with hunks of junk, he has only seen it that articles with no pictures are not interesting at all, and when no official photos are availible, TheDestroyer111 schoarches the internet in search for some nice/colorful fan art.

P.S. TheDestroyer111 is a Khajiit, so don't worry about speaking of himself in 3'rd person. TheDestroyer111 (talk) 12:24, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, i will stop behaving like a Khajiit, but what Tamrielic race would you like me to behave like? TheDestroyer111 (talk) 13:54, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
Destroyer, you can talk in any manner you prefer. While some would consider it annoying, others wouldn't, it's really a matter of personal preference.
Sajuuk, unless there is a rule in the guideline saying this isn't allowed, I see no problem with it. Again, identifying it as trolling is really a personal preference, I see it as a form of roleplaying. ☞ Яǐɱ (Chat with Meh) (Updates) 17:19, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Chat

Have to be later, I'm playing Skyrim at the moment. Just replied to Shock as I saw his reply. EbonySkyrim Message! 21:18, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I went in earlier this evening and I'm not sure you saw me. But I left again. I'll try tomorrow. EbonySkyrim Message! 23:02, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
I'm in chat now. EbonySkyrim Message! 10:39, December 1, 2014 (UTC)


Derp. It's been a long day. Thanks for that SuperSajuuk. --Jorge (profile)•(talk) 00:39, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

re: interlanguage links

What I don't get is, why are there even interwiki links if the character name is the same for example in German. Explanation maybe? --LuminHeavy (talk) 18:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

I get it now, thanks. --LuminHeavy (talk) 19:00, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Linked Angof

Hey Spey, sorry.. I just got online and saw Tim had renamed the page and I added the quest on the page and didn't see his name was linked. But the text is actually from the journal so it shouldn't be changed in my opinion as you did. EbonySkyrim Message! 14:12, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Because the page is so short.. EbonySkyrim Message! 15:12, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Really? Pointless?

Oh? So adding commas where needed is considered "pointless"? Or fixing grammar on pages is "pointless," as well? Leea (talk) 13:37, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Clicking on the icon for "changes made" in Recent Wiki Activity shows exactly what I've been doing. I've been editing at wikis for a very long time; I am not a vandal, and I know what I'm doing: I'm fixing articles, either by grammar, cleanup of other issues, or adding info that wasn't there. Leea (talk) 14:13, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

re: templates

Is it wrong and "damaging" the Wiki if i keep doing {{Template:insert name here}} instead of {{insertnamehere}}? LuminHeavy (talk) 18:57, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: spammer

Thanks Spey, I was away for a few hours and as it's Christmas time some are going away for a few days. I've set the blocking to infinite as it is clearly created for the purpose of vandalism. Btw, thanks for correcting the link in my message to RitualGamer, I never remember how to do it. EbonySkyrim Message! 19:08, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, wishing you the same over the holidays. EbonySkyrim Message! 19:13, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Chat

Alright, later this afternoon I'll come to chat if you are. EbonySkyrim Message! 09:27, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

I'm in chat now Spey. EbonySkyrim Message! 12:52, December 26, 2014 (UTC)


Sorry, I missed that :) {{SUBST:User:Dragonofelder/Sig|11:53,12/26/2014}} 11:53, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Animated pic

Ok, I don't really care about that. It was weird anyway. Thanks! Ned Tp- Contribs 19:39, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

New Templates

Hello SuperSajuuk, I figured that, for once, I'd stop bothering EbonySkyrim and ask someone else for advice for once.

With Elder Scrolls Online supposed to come out (if it hasn't already, I can never keep up) on the PS4 and XBox 1 consoles, I think it is safe to say it will have plenty of bugs. I noticed that there is not template for either of the systems, and even if they wouldn't be used for ESO, I think it is safe to assume that TES 6 will come out on both of said systems, so it'd be nice to have a template ready. I've made ones for both systems on my Sandbox page, as seen here: User:NOTATHALMORSPY/sandbox

Tell me what you think of them. If I should be bothering someone else, I would ask that you kindly point me in said person's direction. Thanks! NOTATHALMORSPY (talk) 07:38, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, but even making these was a stretch for my coding ability. A switch would be nice, as when I was a new user, it took me a while to figure out how to make those things work. Potential Threat (talk) 01:31, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Red: Posts

Yeah, I kind of figured that by now. I guess some people just don't want to see the sense behind it all. Emperor Maximus (talk) 13:02, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Advertising the wiki

A user has just made a thread about if he is allowed to make a FB page that advertises the wiki and use some of our pictures.  Do you know what the protocol is? Zu'u lost daal. Alduin1996 (talk) 14:51, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: pages tagged for deletion

Spey... don't start. You must know that you have tagged many of the 2-disambig for deletion yourself when you did those and at one point it was 175 pages tagged for deletion. I know others have also done this not only you, and it takes a lot of time to go through those and as it is, it's only me and Tomb doing this. And on most of them there are still other pages that are linked to these so we have to go through them. I did 3-4 yesterday. Now it's only 28 ,left out of 175 in a few weeks. EbonySkyrim Message! 20:38, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

I'm surprised that you even ask this question. And I'm pretty sure you know who of us are active too.. and you must have seen that the number have decreased. And I don't look when it was tagged for deletion when I do them to do them in order, I just click on one and do it. That's why some have been there long and it was others that had tagged them. Thanks for that link.. I'll check it out. EbonySkyrim Message! 20:49, January 1, 2015 (UTC)


Garlic is sold by plenty of vendors.  Just because that one IP has yet to encounter one by no means indicates that it is not sold at all, because Arcadia quite often has one in stock.  I'm removing it again. - Erik the Mad (talk) 17:29, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Will do. - Erik the Mad (talk) 17:34, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

RE: hi

And which procedure would that be? DRAEVAN13 21:50, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re: trivia points

Yes I have seen sometimes trivia points like that being removed, not only by Erik, also by others and even admins. I don't know if it's relevant or not to know where the name might have come from but sometimes it seems a little too far.. have you asked Erik about it any time why he removed it? EbonySkyrim Message! 22:25, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that, it was that Bluesonic1 that added this on the Soul Gem page. I also find some things added to the Trivia section should not be there or could be added to the talk page instead. Ok, great. Talk to him tomorrow.. and this is what it's said about Trivia:
*Use this section sparingly. Only important or interesting trivia should be added. If you are concerned about whether your trivia is welcome on the page, talk about it on the article's talk page or consult a staff member on the wiki.
*Names of voice actors.
*Almost all trivia points need to be sourced.
*Do not include workarounds for killing this character here.
*"Note" that "Notes" is not an acceptable replacement header for this. Nor should "Notes' EVER be used on ANY articles anywhere on the wiki. This is lazy and clutters up the page. Instead, consider adding the information under a new header. EbonySkyrim Message! 22:43, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re: blog

I removed the infobox, people don't understand that they shoudn't use the mainspace box for their own characters.. tbh, I can't remember which one to use.. EbonySkyrim Message! 23:57, January 7, 2015 (UTC)


Can we talk on the Chat ASAP? Zippertrain85 (talk) 16:27, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Bump Zippertrain85 (talk) 17:10, January 17, 2015 (UTC).

Re: chat

Normally, I would, but my connection has been cutting in and out for weeks, and I don't need to get accused of join spamming or something.  What's up?  - Erik the Mad (talk) 17:43, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm still trying to wrap my head around  that one.  Can't say I blame them too much, though.  Even on a good day, this place is pretty dramatic, lately.  And, sadly, no Steam for me.  This machine is so old I can barely access the internet half the time, much less run anything more intense than solitaire.... - Erik the Mad (talk) 18:18, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

calm down

I did not know that, however my zuuk page is more completely and has many links to it since it shows up in the Special:Wantedpages. So I will recreate mine and remove the other one, since you are right we do not need two. OnePieceNation (talk) 00:33, January 20, 2015 (UTC)


Hey ! Guess what ! If you become administrator, i'll try to make a special interview for you :) Emperor Jarjarkine Aldmeri Dominion.png The Ragged Flagon - Cistern 03:08, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm tired of this

You didn't get the concept of the summary: I explained that at a certain level you could get daedric arrows, but that they are also a "chance" spawn; it is not certain that you'll keep getting them at a certain level threshold. Thus, I was not "talking to other people," as you claim me to be doing. Frankly, I'm tired of always having to explain myself to you. Leea (talk) 13:19, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

I've been to many wikis, and I've also seen plenty of "useless edit summaries" (a.k.a., putting your edit summary of what you've done in a non-robot manner) from honest users at those wikis, and no one got on anyone's case. Why people have a problem with it here is beyond me. Leea (talk) 13:56, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Source

I know, but I prefer Visual most of the time, despite its flaws.  When it comes to things like that, I usually switch to Source, but every now and then I forget.  This time, I also made the mistake of assuming that the links already went to the correct pages... - Erik the Mad (talk) 20:56, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Page move

Thanks for helping me clear up that mess after I checked the 'whatlinkshere' for the wrong page :), I think I need some sleep now. — Flightmare (talk) 22:48, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Moves

I added a link to each of the three pages, so they now link to the other game they appear in (Oblivion). 1, 2, 3. Must have been an oversight on my part. Also forgot to remove the redirects from the old article after moving, so I'll get to doing that. I'm rather new to this whole wikia thing though, so I'm not sure if they'll have to be deleted or what. — Hypute (talk) 03:37, January 27, 2015 (UTC)


Thanks, I will try to remember it next time I need to archive.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:39, January 30, 2015 (UTC)


Yeah my talk page was a mess thanks for clearing it up and thanks for the encouragement, i'm really not sure if i'm actually back i have left the odd bit of quick bug advice and things recently without signing in but i don't know. Again though thank you. AzuraKnight (talk) 15:38, January 31, 2015 (UTC)


I'm new to your methods. Would you explain your comment on syntax? —This unsigned comment is by Gaminomicon (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Many thanks. :)  I'll switch to the proper editor for the rest. Gaminomicon (talk) 10:40, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you kindly.

Thank you for the help and for the real-time fix of the image fiasco. Now I've a better idea of how that goes. Slowly. :P Gaminomicon (talk) 16:44, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Chat

Sorry but i never have used and never will use a chat anywhere its one of the reasons i turned down being a moderator a long time ago. I really can't think of a good way of explaining it but please don't be offended if you don't get it, it's a personal issue with/for me not with/for other people... see i really can't find a good way of explaining it. AzuraKnight (talk) 11:44, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Ah i think i see, thanks and sorry (again). AzuraKnight (talk) 12:09, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

re: edit

In answer to your question, I'm quite busy currently in real life, I'm still a college student and I'm trying to keep on top of all my work and manage my free time aswell. I'm sorry if I only make one edit a day, atleast I've found time to do it.

Hope I answered your question as best I could --RogueAssassin750 (talk) 14:23, February 5, 2015 (UTC)


Hellow Sajuuky. Do you think you could come in the chat for a sec, i'd like to know if you are able to do a code for me :) Since you said that you were a good coder, i tought mabye i could request this to you ? Emperor Jarjarkine Aldmeri Dominion.png The Ragged Flagon - Cistern 14:15, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Dovahcore Helmet

It is remotely official.

Dovahsebrom (talk) 20:49, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Cited UESP for sake of convenience, I didn't remember the mod name, and I wasn't going to scour the Workshop's awful search engine. I knew it was official to begin with.
Dovahsebrom (talk) 22:34, February 10, 2015 (UTC)


So how do I remove stuffs from my talk page then? Yesh, I said stuffs. Gaminomicon (talk) 11:48, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

What would we do without obscure and straight up odd rules? :P Nuts. Kindly add 20 topics of ridiculousness to my page so I can start monitoring my own talks. :D Going to start uploading my work now. Thanks for the reply. ^_^Gaminomicon (talk) 11:56, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
You're officially going on my favorites list... just as soon as I find it. :P First image I went to replace, someone beat me to it with a good shot even. Going to be a long day.Gaminomicon (talk) 12:37, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Figures. Just uploaded a new image for Albecius Colollius. I forgot what else to say on the image info, about the cat types... stuffs, but the size is right and there's no pointer or HUD hiding in the image. Gaminomicon (talk) 12:55, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

That Spam

Thanks VSTF have just removed the scam threads. AzuraKnight (talk) 21:53, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

ShoddyCast? Why does the wiki hate it?

Sajuuk, my big question i still haven't got answered is: why does the elder scrolls wiki hate ShoddyCast so much? I personally don't believe spreading TES lore is bad (You most probably also believe that giving free and understandable access to TES lore is good). Then, what's so bad about SC? TheDestroyer111 (talk) 09:33, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Userboxes

Thanks for the info, I will add the templates/ask someone to do it. I'm not really the templates person so that's why I was asking :P but fortunately we've got someone who can do this if I fail. Thanks again! Thehornydovahkiin (talk) 22:06, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Disclaimer notice on book pages


The reason those templates are on on books, letters, and things like that is because they are directly copied from Bethesda's works. Unlike articles talking about the items, the books are posted as seen in the game, and are copied word for word. Everything we use should be credited and sourced back to Bethesda, as it is still their work.

It doesn't matter if people "should know", we need to credit everything for legal reasons and protection. It may seem pointless, but I don't really like the idea of risking any problems or stress with Bethesda. I will note your opinion of the issue, and will add searching legal advice on the matter to my to-do list. But for now the disclaimers stay.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 01:33, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

I don't really care how UESP does things, Its not my community, and I have not been tasked with protecting it. Unless they asked me, or I saw something bad going on that I could help them with, I would not intervene with their wiki or its policies at all. I am still looking for a legal expert in copyright laws, as I would rather avoid any problems with Bethesda all together, and am not relying on the idea they are OK with it. Either I hear a expert in copyright laws tell me they are in no way what-so-ever protecting the wiki, or Bethesda themselves tells me they are not needed what-so-ever, before I think there is no need for the template. I thank you for your concern, but for now, the template stays.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 18:21, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Nominated

I did send VSTF after a spammer yesterday after seeing your post on Dovahs talk, if its like you say and i won't have to be available in chat then i'm ok with the nomination i do miss being able to tidy the forum. What is the policy on necroing threads the actual forum policy page seems a little out of date. AzuraKnight (talk) 20:54, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up my talk page. I've been wondering about how to get that crap off.

Madman97 (talk) 21:29, February 24, 2015 (UTC)


hi lad

aaa....please dont delete skuldafn map. i know thats pointless but let just other players know where it is thanks.High King Link (talk) 14:04, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Kolbjorn Barrow

There was no need to change all links linking to Kolbjorn Barrow (Dragonborn) to Kolbjorn Barrow. Every location appearing in two or more games is referred to as such in it's title, that's just part of the wiki. The Bloodmoon version is smaller and in need of improvement, but this does not mean the Dragonborn article gets to keep the base name. The base name should not exist either as it would just become a 2-link disambiguation, just like it was prior to it's renaming/movement. Further examples of this such as Ivarstead and Ivarstead (Online) only exist because we haven't gotten to renaming the Skyrim version's page to it's corresponding game. I can agree with you on character-quest same name pages, where the character gets the base name but the quest must be defined in brackets, but game pages with the same name are all equal because all games are generally in the same category. If you want to implement this as a new guideline, I will disagree because the game title in the article title is there to refer to the game; removing it for one game but keeping it for the other would cause confusion. ☞ Rim < Chat with Me | Updates | Edits > 01:24, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Well then while you're at it I hope you finding every single page that appears in multiple games and choosing one of them to make the base title. Try Raven Rock (Dragonborn) and Raven Rock (Bloodmoon), because I'm sure the Dragonborn article is much more important than the Bloodmoon article. It doesn't work this way, if we start applying this to every page fitting the category it would cause mass confusion and discussion, games are no different. I'll discuss this further with Atvelonis. ☞ Rim < Chat with Me | Updates | Edits > 17:46, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

shrine of malacath

AAAH... man what's your problem with me?

why you deleting all image which i had uploaded?

who said the shrine of malacath is not an actual location???High King Link (talk) 15:41, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Chat crash.

Hey, the Chat stopped working for me.

I will just tell you here. I do prefer the game name in parenthesis at the end. I do like the removal of the 2-link Disambig, but we can't pick one over the other for the parenthesis name at the end. Having the games name at the end, as well as the "for" or "confuse" template on top will prevent confusion, and still help us handle the 2LD problem.

For the sake of peace, I ask you to see if you and Rim can find a middle or agreement to this. I don't want my opinion to cause any source of anger between to two of you. Also, see if Atventis can take a look and offer another voice to the matter.

Also, I want you to know that your contributions are noticed, while the links are not the front of the wiki, they are in many ways the blood flow. The smoother they flow the better. While I do not always agree with you on policy, the links are something I see potential in when it comes to the wiki's improvement.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:07, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

If you want this taken to the community I will be more then willing to highlight it. Just let me know when its up and I will get to it when I can.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 23:24, March 6, 2015 (UTC)


Okay. I would say go ahead and change the links in some cases (e.g. character/quest) but I don't really think it's worth it for the game to game articles. There are so many of them and there are a whole lot of links pointing to them, and it's extremely time-consuming to fix them all. It would be better to just leave them how they are and spend your time doing something more useful. The next game might have those locations too, in which case we'll have to go around and fix all those thousands of links for a second time. So while it is marginally easier to type in [[Kolbjorn Barrow]] rather than [[Kolbjorn Barrow (Dragonborn)]], it's not worth the time and effort to go about switching all the links. If someone creates a 2-link disambig without realizing that it's not needed, we can just remove the page, it only takes a few seconds. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:14, March 7, 2015 (UTC)



Sorry about my inactivity in chat, I left it open last night and forgot to log out. By the time I came back and saw you and the guys talking it was lagging pretty bad. I had a few conversations in it. I was able to read those, but my text bar wasnt responding.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:15, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

It ok, I need to handle some stuff, then I will return and write the weekend update. Although I would make a request, more personal then policy. I know you are not a fan of most of the old admins, and I try to let it slide, but I was friends with a lot of them, and would ask that you try to show a level of respect for them as people. There views and actions aside, they are still editors on the wiki, and we should try to show a level of respect and prevent openly talking bad about others. The same goes for the guy from UESP, but we are more in line of thought on his behavior. We still wont be using their images, but he was acting poorly all things considered.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:37, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Archive template


First, I mistakenly deleted one of your list, my buttons readjust sometimes. I fixed it, but I felt I should let you know why you may get a message about your article being removed.

The reason I was on the list was I was trying to figure out what was up with the archive template you added to all my archives. I do not recall it ever being discussed that this template was needed, or that you could add it to peoples archives without asking, notifying, or explaining to them that you where doing this. You even told Meme99 not to edit archives when he left a message on one of them, I thank you for moving that, but following up on that message with editing the same archive, plus the rest of them, comes off rather strange.

Please do not edit peoples archives. The only exceptions I can think of is repairing redlinks or reverting new edits that shouldn't be made, but even then it is nice to leave a message letting them know. If you really think this template is needed, message the owners and explain to them why, and either have them do it or get their consent to handle it on their behalf.

Thanks, and happy editing-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 08:30, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


Yes, thanks.Gaminomicon (talk) 21:08, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Wikia's VisualEditor

I've never had a problem with it.  I'm considering it vandalism until I see some evidence to the contrary. - Erik the Mad (talk) 15:57, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

why dude why

Dude why did you delete the Riekling lore page I worked hard on it and no one had a problem with it other then spelling and grammar plus I worked hard on it and I made sure that all the info was sourced and right. It's just not cool when you put your time and effort to make something and then when you are looking at the wiki activity page you find out that someone deleted it (Dragon Boy 252 (talk) 17:15, March 22, 2015 (UTC))


Done, I will share my thoughts in the morning after I have read others thoughts on the matter. Until then I will assume you will all play nice until morning (or whatever time it is for others when I return)

Talk soon and happy editing.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 09:16, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Gallery placement

Are the galleries supposed to follow or precede Trivia/bugs. In this article the gallery follows the bugs section. In this article the gallery precedes the trivia section. I have noticed this inconsistency in other articles as well. --Ser Pouce-a-lot (talk) 17:41, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

That cool. I kinda feel the same way, but I don't know if I should delete them unless there is consensus that they be removed. I just would like to try to make the layout of articles be as consistent as possible. Who should I ask for questions about article layout? --Ser Pouce-a-lot (talk) 17:55, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your input. I'm going to leave the images in the articles, even though some of them seem kinda pointless IMO, at least in the mythic dawn robes article. I'll go ahead and put galleries above the trivia sections in articles. --Ser Pouce-a-lot (talk) 18:37, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Shroud Hearth Barrow

Hey Sajuuk. The community decided not to do what you did for Shroud Hearth Barrow, it is supposed to be Shroud Hearth Barrow (Skyrim) and Shroud Hearth Barrow (Online). Do not defy community consensus again. Thank you. —Atvelonis (talk) 12:41, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

I am referring to the consensus you started earlier this month. I apologize for my bluntness, but it was pretty clear that the community agreed with Rim on this. —Atvelonis (talk) 13:04, March 27, 2015 (UTC)


Normally you ask me to delete stuff, this is a new on. Anyway, I restored it, let me know when I can remove it again.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 18:57, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Suggestion

Yeah i was going to just keep an eye on them after leaving the reply with the sand box link but closing them would be easier. AzuraKnight (talk) 17:37, March 29, 2015 (UTC)


For the longest time I've resented you.  You curbed my every attempt to revive threads that I valued.  But after seeing how much effort you put into helping CCC and other staff with the nuts and bolts of the wiki I have decided to put aside my feelings and properly apologize.  You are an invaluable member of this community.  I hope that more of your opponents look beyond your blunt criticism and see your worth like I have.  TheMindOfMadness (talk) 21:43, March 31, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Sajuuk,

You cannot tell people what they cant say on the application. I understand you are upset and feel there is a bias against you, but telling people what they can or cant say will neither help you nor be accepted as an agreed upon term. If people have a problem with you applying for patroller right after the admin application failed, they are going to have a problem with it, and if they can give a good reason as to why that is then they should be-able to say it. People should focus on more recent content, but you can not accuse them of vote fixing either. If people think you should get the rights, you can do so without adding terms like the ones you did.

Also, I spoke with the other admins, we need to keep record's of the applications. Once you applied, you put yourself and the results into public record, and we cannot remove it.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 00:08, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

No, not every actions against you had G0LD involved, you simply can not lay out ground rules to your application because you think people are out to oppose you for the sake of opposing you. You need to stop assuming this, it doesn't help anybody and will only worsen your relationship with him. I know I cant ask you to be friends or talk to each other, but showing some respect would not hurt. The community doesn't have as much bias was you think either, many of these people have spoken or dealt with you, and you left an impact. If none of them had ever heard of you before I would believe a bias if everybody voted no, but they do know you, and how they felt after meeting you, can't be written of just because it upsets you. You kept saying we had problems with the staff taking favorites and only promoting their friends, so the community agreed to the change, and anybody can now apply. That means the community has to be able to open up and say if they like and trust this person. If they don't like the person being given rights they are going to say no and that's it. StevePenguini may not have been the deciding vote (seeing as votes dont mean as much as they used to), but he says some of what people think of you. He wasn't hunted down for a vote, he saw the application and decided to say his part. You can't keep assuming people are against you for no valid reason, that will only create paranoid thinking and will not help you or the community. I didn't speak to you because somebody complained, I didn't even know who voted until I went to see what was said so far and I saw your pre-requisites, and here we are now.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 06:25, April 10, 2015 (UTC)


Hey, why did you tag this blog for deletion? It is definitely not empty, I can read the text just fine. I think what happened was he created the blog, planning to add the text later, and that's what you saw... if that's what happened I understand, but next time perhaps wait a couple of hours before tagging blogs for deletion like that. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:54, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

The Companions

Yeah, I probably should have started with "What Links Here" for that one, hey? Oh well, I'm still really sick :\ Anyways - its confirmed - they are DEFINITELY in this game. TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 12:15, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah - but its usually the VERY first thing I check! Actually, its the fact that Ethan hasn't been letting me rest. Although late nights wouldnt be helping. Anyways - heading off now. TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 12:19, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
Hence the "Timeline" edits ... its something I can do on my phone ;) TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 12:21, April 14, 2015 (UTC)


I find it interesting that you would direct me to a talk page to discussing whether my version of the article remain or your's, when you made the change first, before doing to the same. I have no real desire to discuss the validity of what the Style Guideline says about makes an appropriate lead or change it there. I wrote the policies on leads and most of the Style guideline.

There is much contradiction in what you said to me. For example: "The information under the "background" heading is information that talks about the area in general, and the lead is a quick summary of what the page is about."

What do you propose is the purpose of a lead paragraph? Precisely what you said, in fact. The lead is a paragraph that talks about the area in general. The longer the article, the longer the lead paragraph will be. As a general rule of thumb, the lead discusses the overall information the article is about as well as recapitulates all of the main points of the article. The current lead on the College of Winterhold, merged with the "Background" section makes a perfect lead paragraph. The lead is not necessarily a "quick" summary of what the page is about, but it is a summary. I disagree with your version of the article. The article, as I am proposing it, was this way for a very long time. In fact, I wrote and formatted 90% of the article myself. I have no personal attachment to the article, but I do fail to see why your version is necessary.

All in all, the lead is the "background" of the article. It is a summary of the article as well as vague description of the article's contents. There is no need to have this information split into two sections, simply because you think it is too long. That's not how it works. I feel that you have no argument to support your recommended draft of the article. I plan to change the article back to its original format, unless you come up with a better argument to support your version. --—Deyvid Petteys (bother \ stalk) 08:44, April 15, 2015 (UTC)


Apologies - I didn't realise that one was also part of it. (When it first started, it was just "rollback" - heh. I'm old ;) Anyways - apologies. 'Tis fixed now. TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 10:56, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Of course I would :) Had I realised at the start - would have done it then too. TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 11:07, April 18, 2015 (UTC)


Congrats for Patroller! Pelinal the Whitestrake, the Bloody and Insurgent (talk) 15:17, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Congrats on your promotion to the staff, won't be long until I become one with you. ;) Starkiller131 (talk) 17:25, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah same here. Zippertrain85 (talk) 18:31, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Re: On fire!

Thanks, the other game sections were pretty easy Skyrim has so many (many) threads though it may take a while. Also congratulations on Patroller. AzuraKnight (talk) 15:46, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Windhelm Reply

Hi Sajuuk! The reason why I ask the admins is:

  • Because it's faster in terms of getting a reply- I know for certain that they will know what to do and if they don't then they know who to contact.
  • My past experience of posting in article talk pages resulting in no replies ever.
  • Plus on top of that having personal bad experiences with certain users reverting my edits just because they can so I like to get "admin authorisation" if you will to stop things like that from happening (this is why I always include an edit summary too).
  • Also, I barely edit on here so I'm always cautious of doing something silly so I ask before making big edits like that one I did there or important ones like removing stub templates as contacted CCC about. Those are the only times I contact them- I certainly wouldn't bother them for every little edit I make :) Bluesonic1 (talk) 08:17, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
That's fair enough, and a valid point about using the TPs actually. I'll aim to try and use them more often in the future! And yeah, I should expand myself out to asking other staff for help too, I can be a bit shy when it comes to stuff like that (hence my sparse appearances on the chat haha)- I also just contacted Tim in this case as I happened to see his edit come up on the side and I had been working on that article previously so I checked with him because I wasn't sure if he was still editing that article or had moved on so I could fill in the gaps. But I will take your comments into mind and reach out to others more often in the future, thanks Sajuuk! Bluesonic1 (talk) 08:26, April 19, 2015 (UTC)


Personal preference. Nothing more.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 20:08, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Image renames

Sajuuk, I have been informed you are renaming images that have no reason to be renamed. Game's image names are perfectly fine and have no reason to be altered. They are named how they are based entirely on the location. Unless a change is needed, don't mess with it. -Cheatcodechamp (talk) 21:04, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

I have to agree with CCC on this one - weve both received a complaint about it. While I agree on helping to improve the wiki by renaming badly named image files (such as the one that had the resolution in its name) - the other ones actually serve to hinder helpfulness. searching 'imperial sewers' for example, in image search, brought up that image anyway. Now, however, someone searching for a picture from old mournhold will not be able to do so via logical means, thus making it less effective, and literally for no reason, either. Descriptive image titles are good, as they maximise relevant search potential. Anyways, just letting you know my thoughts. TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 21:21, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
I've also taken notice of this when you renamed File:Elder Scrolls Online Interactive Tamriel Map.png to File:TESO Tamriel Map.png. Sure the name is shorter, but it's now more vague and not at all needed. ☞ Rim < Talk | Updates | Edits > 04:59, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to reply here, instead of all your talkpages. But I think I know who "whined" at the sysops this time about the topic and I'm frankly pissed off by it.
@CCC: I don't like your tone. Telling someone to "stop" doing something "they" feel is necessary is both rude and unhelpful. I was told to contribute to files, now I'm told not to do it?
@Tim: I don't agree, because people aren't going to come here looking for pics. This isn't an image host so people shouldn't be coming here just to stare at pics all day long, pics are only here to enhance the textual aspect of the wiki and are not even the wiki's property: they're licensed under fair use because they belong to Bethesda. If they want to do that, they should go somewhere else.
@Rim: It is not necessary to write out "Elder Scrolls Online" in a file name and expands the file length needlessly. Everyone will know what TESO means, unless they're completely stupid and idiotic. Like I said to Tim, nobody is going to come here just to find and ogle files, that's not what a wiki is for.
For some reason, you all believe this is an image dump where you can dump any random TES pic for archival purposes: I'm sorry, but it is not and text ALWAYS trumps the pictures, especially as all the pics are copyrighted to Bethesda. What happens if Bethesda decide, one day, that you aren't allowed any pics? What are you going to rely on then? The text aspect of this wiki, frankly, sucks, because of messages like I'm receiving here.
I don't like how, every single time I contribute here, someone has to go whine at sysops. I mean seriously, what is everyone's problem with maintenance? It needs to be done and, frankly, these messages now confirm my belief: I refuse to be involved in files. You treat them like they are your own personal property and that "unworthy" users have no right to get involved in something they (stupidly) don't understand.
I think you all need to step back and stop acting like I'm a threat to this wiki, you are doing nothing but detrimenting my ability to contribute here and if I get any more messages about how I contribute to this place (in a negative way), I'm going to leave and never come back, because I'm sick of being bitched at every time someone makes a shitty complaint with no value against me.
Until these stupid ideas that people somehow own the files they upload and are untouchable by the wider community, I will never make an edit in the file namespace again. I will not categorise them, move them or do anything involving them. You all have some misguided belief about them and you act like they are personal property of the uploader and cannot be touched, and you all believe that people would come here to search and stare at pics, which is total bullshit.
Congratulations, I guess. You pushed an editor away from a namespace you all said was an emphasis of being patroller. I mean, very well done for that. I'm starting to wonder if anyone here is really unbiased at all or actually has a clue how to operate a wiki. The evidence I'm seeing is that nearly everyone here doesn't have a clue how a wiki works.
Here's a serious question: did you just promote me for the sake of showcasing to the wiki that I'm a bad user or something? Because it's barely a week since getting the tools and already I'm being bitched at about how I contribute. It really begs the question why I care at all for this place if people are only able to watch every contribution I make just to nitpick and bitch about it and it's quite sad to be honest.
EDIT: I renamed them back. But I'm not going to let this rest, not by a long shot. I'll be discussing this with others and garnering their opinions as well. --Sajuuk talk | contribs | Channel 07:41, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
First, just because you think its a good idea doesn't mean everybody else will be ok with it. The image names didnt need to be changed, That is all I am saying. The other two mentioned the same thing so you can improve. Images that are titles "13435432v" or have the image specs in the name need repaired, not ones that carry the legitimate name. Threatening to leave or not edit parts of the wiki will not make your case any stronger, it doesn't help anything for that matter.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 08:25, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry CCC, but I have every right not to contribute in certain parts of this wiki if I feel threatened or intimidated.
Considering I've only ever played Skyrim, I can't help with files whatsoever and I won't be involved any further with the file namespace, since everyone else is "better" apparently.
The "issue" with poor filenames can easily be sorted with a titleblacklist filter, but I forget that only Flightmare is "worthy" to be a coder sysop.
And no, long names don't make them legitimate, for the reasons I already stated.
Your first sentence confirmed my theory anyway, so thanks for that, I guess. --Sajuuk talk | contribs | Channel 08:28, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
I have never played ESO, yet I have done what I can for that area of the wiki. I would like to think that despite this handicap I have done a decent job. Long image names may not help anything, but I don't see how in the world shortening them helps. All We said was that renaming is not helping and you get angry and accuse us of bias again. This needs to stop. Every time people disagree with you, you say this or say you are leaving and this kind of negativity doesn't help you or this wiki.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 08:53, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
Because shorter file names are easier to maintain and are easier to find. The search system does not work properly for file names.
I'm getting annoyed because, anytime I actually make the effort to improve this place, I'm shot down for no reason.
And wtf? I didn't say I was leaving the wiki, I said I wouldn't get involved in files again. How does that translate to "I'm leaving the wiki"?
I said that if people are just going to continue complaining about every little thing I do to improve this wiki, then I'll leave because I don't need to put up with constant whining.
And me calling out bs when I see it will stop when people stop spouting it. It happens way too often and I have to correct so many people here. I've even had to correct people because their wiki etiquette is completely inappropriate, as well as having to ask you to undo a non-vandalism block, because you were too quick to respond to the VIP page. Sadly, in the latter case, the user never returned to this wiki and that could have been prevented if you weren't so quick to hit the block button.
And I didn't say anything (or anyone) was biased in my text wall, so stop putting words in my mouth.
You can talk about this in chat, or via other private communication mediums like Facebook, if you feel so inclined. Not interested in discussing this further on my talkpage. --Sajuuk talk | contribs | Channel 08:57, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
"if I get any more messages about how I contribute to this place (in a negative way), I'm going to leave and never come back, because I'm sick of being bitched at every time someone makes a shitty complaint with no value against me." That is you saying you will leave if your terms are not met. If you don't like us "whining" you need to figure out for yourself what you are going to do. Because it seems to me you don't agree with much of what is going on on this wiki. I am not going to hunt you down on Facebook to discuss this further. I told you to stop renaming good files, and responded to your comments. If you have any more concerns or complaints you can bring them up here or on my talk page.-Cheatcodechamp (talk) 09:46, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
That is you saying you will leave if your terms are not met.
No, you are twisting it around and making it seem like it's a demand. I said that because I feel like, anytime I contribute, someone breathes down my neck with a complaint.
Because it seems to me you don't agree with much of what is going on on this wiki.
Maybe because this wiki is not perfect and is doing things that aren't in line with how a wiki should be run. You are not immune to criticism, but these kind of comments make it seem like it's a terrible sin to criticise bad decisions. I will continue to criticise bad decision making if it impacting on my ability to contribute to this wiki. You won't get more editors with policies that don't encourage anyone to contribute, simple.
If you don't like us "whining" you need to figure out for yourself what you are going to do.
No, maybe there's a reason I deem all these things to be whining:
  • Maybe it's because some of the current sysops (which does not include Timeoin) spend most of their time deleting files and completely ignoring the list of deletion candidates, which is apparently far less important than the oh-so-important file categorisation edits.
  • Maybe it's because I'm actually trying to improve this place and being pushed back by bogus policies, inappropriate decision making and certain users who don't really understand what they're talking about (no offence).
Maybe you should ask yourselves why you are following the policies like they are law and cannot ever be broken. Times changes, as several policy discussions have showcased: remember that any policy can be changed if the community believes it hinders their ability to contribute. Have you forgotten this? Give it a read.
I think it's for the best that you (Cheatcodechamp) direct your issues about me to Timeoin. From the comments you've been making in the last week or two, it is very clear that you are losing your ability to remain unbiased towards my contributions and that you believe I'm some sort of disruptive user who is harming the wiki. So I think it would be better if you just directed your concerns to Tim, who seems to be able to remain neutral at all times.
And I deem this discussion to be over, before it gets out of hand. If you have an issue, you can direct it towards me in a private message on the chat. --Sajuuk talk | contribs | Channel 09:51, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
I have just got onto computer. Just replying to some of the comments that I've seen here - Noone said that they "own" the images. However, embarking on a major renaming project would probably have been done much better if it went to a CT thread first. That way, people can say whether they thought shorter file names were better. Then, when the community backed it, it would be entirely justifiable, as the community have stated that that's what they wanted to happen. Gamonicon's complaints were because his files were named entirely properly, and were moved for no reason that he could see. (Side note: @Rim - @Rim - I also agree that the "Interactive" part of the map should be there, but TESO or ESO would help shorten file names. Either works, really. - just some random thoughts there).
Ultimately though, like Cheat said - if you decide to stay, or to go, that's your choice. You wont be the first staff member, nor the last, to leave, if you do so. Sadly, some have left because, (rightly or wrongly), they felt like they were harrassed - and some were. Some also weren't, in my opinion, but that's just my personal opinion ;) (That opinion is probably clouded somewhat by the fact that my old boss threatened to kill me, and I still had to turn up to work because I had kids to feed). If you do decide to stay (I'm going by what is probably an older post by now, where you said you were likely to leave), my suggestion would be before embarking on a major project - CT it. If the responses you're getting are all positive - go for it. If they're a bit mixed, maybe wait until more responses roll in, and maybe get more responses and discuss it further. I think you'd be very hard pressed to find someone who'd go up against the community's wishes :) TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 10:21, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
After talking with some people on Community Central, I may start a CT about it. I want to improve the wiki and don't really appreciate being yelled at just for contributing. I don't "want" to leave the wiki either, but I feel "pushed" in that direction from certain comments.
I should point out: if I make a point of saying I want to leave, it's not that I want to. That is simply my way of indicating my disdain and annoyance for a situation being handled badly by users. But I can understand that going in and renaming was bad form and should have been discussed first, so I'll apologise for that. However, I would have appreciated it if Gaminomicon didn't just rush to complain at a sysop, he should have came to me directly on my talkpage and asked me why I did it: this whole talkpage wall of text would have been avoided if I was approached by him directly instead of hearing it from a third party.
I'll make a CT in a few days after gathering some information and letting this issue die down first. But my concern about feeling harassed for every contribution I make is true and that won't change for a while, at least.
Some of the stuff I said previously in my walls of text were indeed unnecessary, for that I apologise. Please note that, just because I say something, you shouldn't take it face value. I say some things just because that's how I feel at the time, it doesn't necessarily mean that I actually mean it in any way --Sajuuk talk | contribs | Channel 10:25, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
As a neutral observer - he probably felt the same way about having the pages moved. Like you said, it was probably bad form. A CT thread would have been the way to go - but that is hindsight talking. As, again, a neutral observer (because I try to be neutral above all else, where I can) - I would suggest that if you feel yourself getting riled by certain things, maybe step away from the computer for a bit, and come back when you're calmer. I mean no disrespect towards you but a lot of the problems probably come from editing whilst angry. People will react to edits that seem rude or offensive (from anyone really). Knowing you've made them is a good start, but its better to not let it get that far. For example, you wouldn't know it on here, but I actually have a really really bad temper sometimes. However, when things annoy me here, I walk away from the computer, and come back when I'm much calmer. A lot of the time, the person who's annoyed me actually has a really good reason for what they've done - and its something that I hadn't even thought of - and the wiki moves forward because by editing later, they're more willing to contribute their ideas as well. Anyways - thats just my usual rambling. Make of it what you will lol. I'm on to go do some editing now, before bed. TimeoinSay G'DayView my work 11:16, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, it's always easier to talk about what "should have" happened after the event. I think, since this is resolved, I'll place it in the archive, so there's still a record of this discussion. --Sajuuk talk | contribs | Channel 11:18, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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