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King Farangel's Ode to Wayrest[edit source]

Hi Thifike, is there any chance you could upload images of the rest of the King Farangel's Ode to Wayrest book? The screenshot you uploaded only covers about a third of the book's content, and typically we like to have photo evidence of all pages in a book so that we can check for typos and whatnot. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 00:57, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Yep, you did it correctly. Thank you for uploading the images, they're greatly appreciated! —Atvelonis (talk) 20:13, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Uploading images[edit source]

Greetings! It's good to see new people contributing to the wiki. There is an aspect that you don't yet know about. When uploading the image it is necessary to add a specific licensing template to the image's page. You can find the appropriate templates on this page. You just simply need to copy the needed one and paste it into the summary box on the Upload photo page. This way you also won't need to choose a specific type of licensing on that page. TinyClayMan (talk) 21:10, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

It seems i did something wrong (vandalism?) so i cannot post anything onto your page, but i just added a new one here. Is this ok now?
Thanks, Thifike (talk) 17:24, July 20, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that is the correct usage. Now your uploads are flawless.
P.S. I am not sure what caused the problem with the talk page. It was probably something temporary. TinyClayMan (talk) 19:08, July 20, 2018 (UTC)
From the way you describe it, the issue probably has something to do with an Abuse Filter. Can you tell me what you were trying to say? If you included a swear word, for example, the filter may have thought you were vandalizing since your account is not autoconfirmed yet. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:23, July 20, 2018 (UTC)
I honestly don't know. Maybe I accidentally entered markup in Visual mode instead of Source mode? I wanted to post roughly the same thing as the second section in this thread onto TinyClayMan's page. Anyway, since my uploads are fine now I guess I won't need to post on Talk pages that often. :) Thanks, Thifike (talk) 19:29, July 20, 2018 (UTC)
I figured it out. So one of the terms that the vandalism filter looks for in an edit is the regular expression ([a-zA-Z]\s){3,}, which catches any repeating letter-space pattern (e.g. "A B C D"), because this is a way people would otherwise avoid the filter. A typo in Cat Master's message (two A's instead of just one) meant that the filter saw that pattern, and saw that an autoconfirmed account was making an edit, and figured it was vandalism. It apparently couldn't tell that the text was already there; I should look into fixing that.
Regardless, I've raised the number of spaces in the filter from three to five, so this shouldn't happen again. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:48, July 20, 2018 (UTC)
Awesome. :) Thank you, Thifike (talk) 19:49, July 20, 2018 (UTC)

Character images[edit source]

Hey Thifike, you're doing a great job with the image uploads so far. However, when uploading character images please keep in mind to crop them in exactly a 3:5 ratio, anything different and they won't show up nicely in the infobox. Moreover, please turn off the auras so that they don't appear around the characters when you are taking a screenshot, or get an add-on that completely hides all UI. You can see more about our image policy here. If you have any questions ask away. —Rozty (talk) 21:09, August 12, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, everything is good now. Thank you and keep it up! —Rozty (talk) 22:33, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
Hi Thifike, one other thing about the character images. In addition to being cropped to a 3:5 aspect ratio they also have to be at least 720 vertical pixels. For example, appropriate sizes would be 432×720, 456×760, 540×900, 648×1080, etc. You can see an overview of these requirements here along with a chart of recommended image sizes.
An image like Cindiri Malas.png is pretty good except for the size requirement, so it would be kept on the wiki, just tagged as needing re-upload eventually. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:07, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
Excellent work, the high-res uploads are greatly appreciated! —Atvelonis (talk) 02:41, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Are edited images allowed?[edit source]

We don't allow fan-made content, but editing an image to remove a name like that is perfectly fine. You just have to make a note in the file summary (under the "filespecs" variable) what edits you've made to it. —Atvelonis (talk) 23:20, August 17, 2018 (UTC)

Source Editor[edit source]

Hey Thifike, I noticed that a lot of your edits have been made using Wikia's Visual Editor, and wanted to let you know that the Source Editor is much preferred on this wiki, even if you're doing something simple. VE causes some formatting issues with articles, and personally I think it doesn't actually teach you the fundamentals of editing that well. You can set Source as your default editor in the "Editing" section of Special:Preferences. If you have any questions about syntax, you can check out my editing guide or of course ask a staff member for help.

P.S. since you're uploading so much, I think you might find the Special:MultipleUpload form useful. This allows regular users to upload up to 10 files at once (total file size should be less than ~50 MB, due to a bug with Wikia's servers, which should be fine since you're doing book images). Using this form speeds up the upload process significantly. —Atvelonis (talk) 17:12, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

Well as far as content addition goes, I've found it easier to use a pure assembly line approach rather than going image-image-image-article; I like to use MultipleUpload to its fullest extent. So I usually gather all my information/pictures in-game, upload all the images from that day, and once they're images are uploaded, add them to articles in one big wave. In my experience this is more efficient than doing a few at a time, since you're focusing on one simple task instead of switching frequently. —Atvelonis (talk) 17:56, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Renaming Category: Vvardenfell Volumes[edit source]

It's actually supposed to be Vvardenfell Vvolumes, as far as I can tell. This is a pun from ZeniMax since Vvardenfell has two V's. So in this particular case it should not be renamed. But yes, in general if you need something to be mass-updated, you can add it to my bot tasklist for an automated or semi-automated fix. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:34, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

Interesting. Hold on for the time being. I'll try to get corroboration of the spelling from some other editors before changing anything else. It's possible that it was changed with an update, or that it was originally misspelled. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:27, September 4, 2018 (UTC)
I've confirmed that the name of the collection has been changed to "Vvardenfell Volumes" (single "V"). I'm not able to edit with AWB right now (Wikia accidentally broke it on HTTPS-enabled wikis the other day), but I've added a note about fixing the links to my bot tasklist, so I should be able to get it done whenever the HTTPS fix goes live. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:56, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Page rename request[edit source]

Looks like Ottoman got to it before me. The Writ of Endorsement page couldn't be renamed to Magister's Writ because the latter actually redirected to the former. There was apparently some confusion as to the proper name of this book last year (I dimly remember being confused about it myself, while checking RC), and it didn't get resolved until now. If you encounter this specific type of situation in the future, you can append ?redirect=no to the end of a redirect URL to go to its actual page (rather than the page it's redirecting you to), and tag it for deletion with {{Delete}}, after which an administrator will be able to move the page to the correct title. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:33, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

Link disambiguation[edit source]

Hi Thifike, one small thing. When you're adding links to topics with multiple articles (e.g. things that appear in multiple games), you should ensure that you are linking to the disambiguated (game-specific) page rather than to the disambiguation/lore page, when appropriate. For example, this article is about ESO, so you would link to the ESO version of the Khartag Point page rather than its lore page. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 21:44, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Book lists[edit source]

Hi Thifike, excellent work on the book images/articles as always. One thing that would make our jobs a bit easier is if, in addition to adding the image and location on the book article itself, you also added it to the relevant location pages. For instance, Sadrith Mora Tax Records has the location on its page as well as on the Saint Delyn Plaza, the Canton of St. Delyn the Wise, and the Vivec City (Online) pages since it appears in the Plaza (which is inside the Canton, which is within the city). The book lists on location pages are useful to readers who like to go from location to location finding all books instead of searching out specific titles, so we like to make things easier for them. Thanks. Let me know if you have any questions! —Atvelonis (talk) 14:26, October 18, 2018 (UTC)

Also, one small thing, please don't remove the Loremaster's Archive/Interactive Map/etc. links on some book pages like this. These are kept as an indication of where the book content has been placed by ZeniMax on the internet. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:42, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I should have specified. We typically stop recording book locations at a certain point when the areas become too broad, like an entire region/province like Cyrodiil. There are categories for that instead: see Category:Online: Cyrodiil Books. Likewise, I recorded book locations on the Vivec City page, but doing so on the Vvardenfell page too would be overkill. So you generally only need to worry about it on the city level and below.
Technically, in the Imperial City DLC, the region is City Isle, and the province in Cyrodiil. In the base game part of Cyrodiil, where you are on the mainland, the region and province are both Cyrodiil. So for something like Minutes of the Elder Council, you should not bother to record "Cyrodiil" as part of the location on the book page, the same way you would not record "Hammerfell" or "Skyrim" in the location description on a book page, but rather the region within the province. But for Cyrodiil books in the base game you would say "Cyrodiil."
Some minor stylistic comments: the correct formatting for headers according to TES:SF is for all words to be de-capitalized, excluding the first word and any proper nouns. So it would be ==Notable items== instead of ==Notable Items==. Since you are listing book titles, they would also be in italics. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:46, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
While it's on my mind, when separating a book title from its location description on a location article, you should use an en dash (–) instead of a hyphen (-). Likewise, en dashes are used to denote number ranges, instead of hyphens, such as on a book article gallery with multiple pages per image.
The en dash is not on a traditional keyboard, but can be found if you click the "more" button on the toolbar at the top of the Source editor (it should not be confused with the slightly larger em dash adjacent to it on that screen, which has its own uses in quotations and sometimes in paragraphs). —Atvelonis (talk) 19:25, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I definitely didn't make that very clear. You may want to check out the Wikipedia page on dashes for a more eloquent explanation on where they're used. Here are the three dashes I mentioned:
Hyphen: -
En dash: –
Em dash: —
The hyphen isn't actually listed on the symbols page I described in my previous comment since it's on most keyboards. Whereas the en and em dashes are not on most keyboards, so we include them on that page for quick access while editing. In this screenshot the en dash is right next to the word "insert," and the em dash is to its right. Does that make things a little clearer? —Atvelonis (talk) 21:28, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
Hey Thifike, I would just like to reiterate the point about the locations here. On something like The Black Fin Comes Home you link Sweet Breeze Overlook as the location, so you should also remember to go to the Sweet Breeze Overlook page and add the book as being nearby. Since the book is a little ways away you would have to make a note about that like I have done. This allows readers to find items more easily and helps fill otherwise short location pages. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:08, December 19, 2018 (UTC)

MOTM[edit source]

Hey there, Thifike! You have been doing an amazing job with the books lately, and because of this I have gone and nominated you for October 2018 Member of the Month! You don't get to vote in this case, so you will just have to wait for the results. If you end up winning, you get a cool title next to your name on your profile as well as a special badge. Good luck! You have clearly shown your devotion here! Rozty (talk) 16:58, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

Member of the Month[edit source]

Have a fishy stick!
Atvelonis has awarded you a Fishy stick! Congratulations on MOTM!

Hi Thifike, you have been awarded the title of "Member of the Month" for October 2018. Congratulations! Your work on the wiki continues to impress the community and staff, and we are very glad to have you around. Enjoy the fishy stick and the bragging rights! —Atvelonis (talk) 02:37, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

ESO book pages[edit source]

Hi Thifike, it seems that you don't know it yet, but recently we put into effect a change that was decided upon in a previous moot. Unfortunately, I can't find the moot in question, but this has been something that was supposed to change quite a while ago and only now has been implemented. In summary, Instead of having the ==Summary== section with locations, author and collection present, we now only have the ==Locations== and ==Quests==, where applicable, sections in order to fit in more with the formatting of book pages from other games.

I'll try to find the summary that probably explains it better than myself, but in the meantime, I hope this makes things clear. See you around! Rozty (talk) 22:18, November 25, 2018 (UTC)

This was decided on August 2018, if you want to check it out. There is also a link to the chat's text from that day if you want to scroll through it in order to make something clear. Rozty (talk) 22:30, November 25, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Request for page modification/deletion[edit source]

Hi Thifike, I've turned it into a redirect now, although I'll note that this is something you can do yourself. To make a page into a redirect you just need to do this to its content:

#REDIRECT [[The actual page]]

There are some subcategories of Category:Redirects that you can use instead, if applicable, but in this case the broad category is fine. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:09, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. I also have some feedback about the book pages, all minor things. For book images that show two pages rather than just one, you should write the caption as Pages 1–2 instead of Page 1-2. The correct formatting is plural, and uses an en dash (–) instead of a hyphen (-) since it is a number range (see here). You can use special characters like that if you click "More" on the editing toolbar; the en (–) and em dashes (—) are on the top-left.
This is also a minor issue, but we have a fairly specific way of writing out book locations to avoid ambiguity. It would be preferred if you wrote "Downstairs in the House of Histories in Riverhold, Northern Elsweyr" instead of "Downstairs in the House of Histories, Riverhold, Elsweyr." The differences are that the region (Northern Elsweyr) is being used instead of the province (Elsweyr), and the only time a comma is being used is right before the region (so that users don't assume it's a list). Example.
Lastly, for poems like The Sixteen Kingdoms where you have to use <br /> a lot, it's easier if you simply used the <poem></poem> HTML tags. This way you can write lines more simply (example). Books like The Thief's Riddle do not need this, of course. Please let me know if you have any questions. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:30, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
I would suggest that you switch your default editor to the Source Editor in the "Editing" tab of Special:Preferences ("Editing experience" -> "Preferred editor" -> "Source editor" -> Save). As easy to use as the Visual Editor is, it is fundamentally limited by its WYSIWYG approach and is very buggy, so it's not recommended. The syntax for Source can be confusing at first, but once you get over the initial learning curve it has a lot more options. I have a syntax guide here, which can be a useful reference. I'd also suggest joining our Discord server, as it's an easier format to ask other editors quick questions. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
I understand the convenience, but VE is a terrible bugfest and causes more formatting errors than it's worth. There is a link suggestion feature for the Source Editor as well. It can be toggled in the "Editing" tab of Special:Preferences (though by default I believe it should be on). —Atvelonis (talk) 15:57, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
Hey Thifike, wonderful work with the ESO content. I'm quite glad to see that you've stuck around, so many people drop off after a few months. And it's nice to see you branching out to locations etc. as well as books. I just wanted to reiterate how much we would like you to not touch the Visual Editor unless your life is on the line or something... in situations like this and this and this, it's all VE that's causing that issue. I appreciate that you cleaned it up, but we also have to check that everything was re-added too, so it's just creating extra work for the patrollers, who are already spread slightly thin. Love the content, VE is just terrible! Until Wikia upgrades to a new version of MediaWiki in like 300 years, we're stuck with this terrible Visual Editor, so it would be really nice if you could accommodate us there. :/ —Atvelonis (talk) 01:29, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

Notable items[edit source]

Hi Thifike, we don't typically use a "notable items" section on region pages like Northern Elsweyr because they're far too large to list every single one on. It's more useful if you create pages for locations that those books are near, and list them on those pages as being close. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:00, June 9, 2019 (UTC)

Stubs are fine. As long as the articles are categorized appropriately, and as long as they have a lede and use all the right templates, etc., we will be able to expand them later on without much difficulty. —Atvelonis (talk) 17:23, June 10, 2019 (UTC)

Online: Elsweyr Locations[edit source]

Hi Thifike, great work as usual. I have one minor comment: for location pages that you create about a place in Northern Elsweyr, you should not be adding the category Category:Online: Elsweyr Locations. This is a hub category for all locations in the province of Elsweyr. Locations specific to the Elsweyr DLC are automatically added to Category:Elsweyr: Locations with the infobox. You should also remember to categorize by the type of location that it is, like Category:Elsweyr: Towns. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:54, June 16, 2019 (UTC)

Bold text[edit source]

Hi Thifike, just a note that the only time you should use bold on an article is when emphasizing the name of the article the first time in the lead, along with other names for that thing in the same paragraph. So on an article like What's Yours is Mine (A Little Larceny), there should be no bold text, because book pages do not have leads. It is fine and in fact encouraged to create redlinks to articles that do not exist yet. These are a way for editors to know what needs to be worked on; bold text is not very helpful since it does not appear on maintenance lists, whereas redlinks do. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 21:22, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

Elsweyr book collection[edit source]

Hey, would you mind checking the PTS to see if the Elsweyr book collection name has changed? Someone mentioned that it seems to be titled "Anequina Archives" on the PTS now, as opposed to "Elsweyr Epistles and Almanacs" (I think) in the regular game. Not sure if this is true or not. —Atvelonis (talk) 20:31, July 9, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow-up. I'm off-wiki for at least the next couple of weeks, but once that PTS patch is released and the name is changed, feel free to update the appropriate pages/categories. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:53, July 17, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Book category completion[edit source]

Great work with both categories! You've really done an incredible job. Category:Online: Book Image Needed is barely populated compared to what it used to be. The 110/116 thing was probably just a caching issue, as they both seem to say 116 now.

Can I also speak to you about something privately on Discord/similar? Whatever medium you prefer. You can join TESWiki's server here and DM me at Atvelonis#9495. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 20:02, August 4, 2019 (UTC)

Redlinks[edit source]

Hey, just a quick note that much of the time, redlinks are a useful way for us to keep track of what pages we still have to create (see Special:WantedPages). So they shouldn't be removed by default; e.g. authors should all redirect to the Authors page if they can't get their own page. Good work with the books though! —Atvelonis (talk) 21:04, August 31, 2019 (UTC)

Well they shouldn't use a section link to Authors, they should be set up as a redirect, which should then link to the appropriate table cell on the authors page. #REDIRECT [[Authors#X]]\n[[Category:Authors Redirects]]. —Atvelonis (talk) 14:14, September 2, 2019 (UTC)

Sweetroll[edit source]

Have a sweetroll!
Atvelonis has awarded you a Sweetroll!
Great work with the Dragonhold images!

Keep it up. :) —Atvelonis (talk) 20:33, November 4, 2019 (UTC)

Pagemoves[edit source]

Hi, just a note that when you're renaming a page because it has multiple names, or its name has changed, it's important to record all of these on the article somewhere, either in the lede (if there is one) or in Trivia (e.g. Note to Sir Marq). Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:09, March 17, 2020 (UTC)

ESO Removed Content[edit source]

Hey Thifike! Regarding the recent ESO books that you have marked for deletion such as A Bound Dremora, since they had been in the game files at some point, it is better that we keep them, even if they ended up being removed and never used, at least for archiving purposes. Instead of marking such pages for deletion, you can add the Category:Online: Removed Content. Those pages also understandably don't have any images that can be added, so I'll adjust the infobox so that the image needed notice won't appear. This should be done by adding a |notice = N/A variable under the image field. Rozty (talk) 15:03, March 18, 2020 (UTC)

Foreman's Complaint[edit source]

Is Foreman's Complaint a former name of Quarry Overseer's Complaint, or does the book have two names (e.g. one in the inventory, another when picking it up)? Or was the name of the former completely erroneous? I suspect that the Foreman's Complaint was an early (2014) version of the Quarry Overseer's Complaint (2016?), per TIL, though they have a bad habit of not describing where they get their book contents from. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:46, March 24, 2020 (UTC)

I asked LadyN about her 2014 archive on The Imperial Library, and she said that it was datamined from the PTS, so the later one was probably an updated version. I think that they are different enough to store both on the wiki. As a rule of thumb it's better to preserve more obscure info like this than less, especially when it's datamined, because hardly anyone else will bother. —Atvelonis (talk) 12:37, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

Graccus' Journal, Volume II[edit source]

FYI you should just leave a message on someone's wall instead of making a blog post like this. We routinely miss them, despite patrolling Recent Changes. Anyway: what quest does this book start? If we're not going to have a book page, that dialogue must be recorded on the quest's article instead. —Atvelonis (talk) 15:10, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

Greymoor[edit source]

Hi Thifike, do you think you'd be able to add book content from Greymoor to the wiki over the next couple of weeks? Let me know. Thanks! —Atvelonis (talk) 23:02, May 27, 2020 (UTC)

Understandable, no worries. Have fun with whatever you decide to try next! —Atvelonis (talk) 16:43, May 30, 2020 (UTC)
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