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--Atvelonis (talk) 21:43, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Unneeded materials[edit source]

Excuse me, what are you doing to our pages? Before you go and change how we document that on every single page shouldn't we as a community have some kind of discussion about changing the way we document that? Also I feel like you're edit/badge hunting, please stop! ∰ High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia Ω Talk Chat! Ꮻ 11:10, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I was referring to your latest edits where you changed all the zeros to dashes. If most of the pages are done with zeros you shouldn't change it without the consent of the community. But I guess it doesn't matter anymore since they seem to have been changed back. Yes there are edit badges. You should see yours on this page just right of the messages. Oh btw if you're responding to someone I suggest using the original title like "Re:Unneeded materials" to avoid confusion ∰ High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia Ω Talk Chat! Ꮻ 00:06, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
I just noticed this message a little bit ago.
I don't know what you mean. Document what on every single page? And I don't know what you mean by "edit/badge hunting." Are there edit badges on here or something? If so, I'm certainly not looking for them. I'm editing the pages for inaccuracies, incompletions, or ambiguities, mostly.
Also, is there a way I can delete talk posts I put on others' pages? I put one on yours before I figured out how to reply to my messages on here, so I noted that I figured it out, but I don't think I can delete the message.
Vegafeminism (talk) 00:14, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
Deleting messages it against the rules. Please stop. I reverted my user talk back to the original message. You're supposed to reply on other people's user talks so they can get notifications when they have a new message. ∰ High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia Ω Talk Chat! Ꮻ 00:23, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
I've seen what High Goddess Venus-Afrodite-Finelia is talking about when it had happened, it was when you've made edits back in November 14, 2016 where you have replaced all of the "0" with "-" for unneeded materials on tables. It doesn't follow this wiki's Style and Formatting, it wasn't uniform with the rest of the wiki's articles so all of these edits were reverted.
For Talk Page help, it's more customary to reply to someone on their Talk Page so they will get a notification for your reply, they would have no way of knowing you have replied to them if you post the reply on your own Talk Page. You could reply on your own Talk Page but you would need to manually leave a Talkback notice on their talk page so they would get a notification that you have replied to them through your own Talk Page, that would be a little tedious. On another note; Talk Page messages should not be deleted once they've been added. I hope you get used to the policies. :D
RenzXVI // Talk  // Chat // 02:58, Fri 20 January 2017 (UTC) 
I apologise for violating the TOU; I have an undiagnosed reading disability, so I must have missed that when I was trying to figure out what I was supposed to do.
As far as changing the "0" with "-" for unneeded materials on the Homesteading pages, I appreciate you gave me the clarification. The reason that because that's what I saw on most of the pages, so I was actually trying to make them uniform, which is what I assumed was already the consensus. As well, it helps me to see more readily what I need and don't need since having those numbers would make it harder for me to see what is needed and what isn't. In Excel, I would just do a conditional format to hide the 0's, but I can't do that on these pages. I'll figure out another way to do that instead since I guess i muddied up the pages and made it harder for others to get the information, which is NOT what I wanted to do.
OK, I'm going to do what I think is the talkback thing on you two's pages now. If I get it wrong, I apologise.
Vegafeminism (talk) 20:53, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
Don't worry too much about it, it's only a few pages back in November and you were doing it in good faith, your other edits were good and you'll get better at editing eventually. Just ask an Admin next time when you see more non-uniform pages to clarify the correct format, if you are unsure how to edit them. :D
By the way, you didn't violate the Terms of Use, just a few local Style and Formatting stuff. You'll get used to it. :)
RenzXVI // Talk  // Chat // 09:10, Sat 21 January 2017 (UTC) 

Link formatting[edit source]

Good work with the Skill Book (Skyrim) page. Just keep in mind that we don't like to leave disambiguated links open on articles, so if it the link points to, say, [[Jarl's Longhouse (Falkreath)]], then we would close it and make it look like [[Jarl's Longhouse (Falkreath)|Jarl's Longhouse]]. If necessary you can mention which city it's in (for example "the Jarl's Longhouse in Falkreath"), but the pipe link should stay. Let me know if you have any questions. —Atvelonis (talk) 04:54, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

So, I understand what you're referring to here, with your example about Jarl's Longhouse (Falkreath), but I was wondering what it means to leave the links "open." Also, does this mean that if the page is for Skyrim and includes an ambiguous link that could go to Skyrim or other games, would it be inappropriate of me to redirect the page away from the disambiguation page? I know I have in the past, and it seems I can, so I want to make sure if that's OK.
Also, is there a way I can delete talk posts I put on others' pages? I put one on yours before I figured out how to reply to my messages on here, so I noted that I figured it out, but I don't think I can delete the message.
Vegafeminism (talk) 00:12, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
By "closing" the link, I'm referring to when you have the link display something different from the title of the page it points to; for example, if the title is [[Jarl's Longhouse (Falkreath)]] and you make it just say [[Jarl's Longhouse (Skyrim)|Jarl's Longhouse]] to the reader, you are "closing it," a.k.a. "piping" it, because the reader cannot see the suffix without going into the source code. Alternatively, we sometimes leave these links "open," which means readers can see the suffix (which tells you the name of the city, in this case) on the article. We only really do this on things like disambiguation pages, in certain templates, etc.
You are correct to be fixing links that point to disambiguation pages. The only time I would keep the link ambiguous would be in a situation where both of the alternatives are equally useful to the reader. So for example, if I'm talking about Darkwater Crossing in a Skyrim page, I should link to the Skyrim version (with a closed/pipe link, so [[Darkwater Crossing (Skyrim)|Darkwater Crossing]]). However, if it were on a lore page—where it referred to the location in both Skyrim and ESO—I would just leave it ambiguous, because I can't reasonably guess which one the reader is more interested in.
Unless I'm on a break, I see every edit made on the wiki at some point or another (see here), so it doesn't really matter whose talk page you reply on (though not everyone is as diligent). But once you've left a message, you aren't supposed to remove it. Personally, I will always reply on your talk page, so that you get a notification saying that I have replied. But you can do whichever one suits you more. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:59, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
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