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Re: CopyrightEdit

I have absolutely no control over what the rules are; I just work here. UESP is a source that has all work published on their site protected. I can't change that fact, and I empathize with you regarding it being your work. I chose to edit here rather than even think about editing at UESP, because 1, they have a set way of doing things that doesn't cater to outsiders very well, and 2, they "own" all of your work, be it on pages or the forums. It's a form of legal protection for your hard work, true, but I'd rather edit somewhere that doesn't consider to own the observations based on someone else's video game. Mbjones90 (talk) 18:39, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. Their policy does not protect my work if I want my work to be shared, either :) I stand by the rights of my work to be free, not ownership of it.

The disparity between UESP policy and other Wikis is not merely an anomaly, it is also subterfuge via negligence: in lieu of an open declaration that they have such a license, contributors such as myself assume that they have a free license. Not only that, but they have three or four non-working copyright pages (stubs with half-written sentences on them), and no links from the main page or any other that I could find, to their policy page. I had to do an Advanced Search, concentrating only on the Media Wiki part of the site, to find the Copyright page.

Pleased to make your acquaintance. It seems as though working here will work out fine. VvAnarchangelvV (talk) 17:56, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Pages CleanupEdit

You can now find the archive at User_talk:VvAnarchangelvV/Archive TimeoinSay G'DayView my workSkyrim To-Do List 00:35, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
Moved comments relevant now as they were then back onto talk page. Enjoy. VvAnarchangelvV (talk) 05:41, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

EditsEdit

Hi there, you have edited several Oblivion quests and you have put back 2nd person in them. On this wiki we use third person when editing and I had rewritten them to the standard they are supposed to be in. Moving info to trivia that should not be in the walkthrough. You have put this back also in the walkthrough.. Please think before you go through as I will probably have to revert them you have done so far. EbonySkyrim (talk) 23:25, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re:VariousEdit

(Various)

Hi there.. first I will say that english is my second language so sometimes I can have a hard time refrasing sentences. Like in the example you gave from The Potato Snatcher. Maybe it should be like Killing it will reveal it was carrying her Jumbo Potatoes.

But I try my best to follow this wiki's Style and formatting and try not to elaborate too much when writing the walkthrough. Not including info that is not required for the quest to be completed. In the begining it was suggested I was a bit too exact, too detailed so I have toned down over the more than 800 edits on quests I have done. Especially on the Oblivion quests. Maybe I was a bit hasty on the reverts but it's been done now.

The thing is to keep focusing on what one has to do to start, go through and complete the quest. Not what one can do after the quest with found keys, items and other things that might be nice to have as a player for their Hero/Dragonborn... or making it a "short story" instead of "instructions" or a shorter description, if you understand what I mean.

Have you read any of the Policies and guidelines or Style and Formatting? I see you have been a member since 2009 but have come back here now after a 3 year absence.

About the use of the player and writing in third person. It's not what we prefer ourselves, it's what is in the guidelines on this wiki. When Dragonborn came out, Jimee, one of the admins here wrote a blogpost to once again make it clear on the do's and not do's. A brief guide to editing. Not all is in the articles, but maybe he hasn't had time to edit those pages yet.

It is also said we should use The Hero or the Dragonborn as much as we can but using it all the time will be overkill. So as those figures can be either male or female they are they, (if one can't rewrite it so you don't have to use it at all) same with her, it has already been mentioned several times in the Potatoe Snatcher it is S'jirra's potatoes and using her name everytime will also be overkill. As this also is a very short quest with a short walkthrough it will not look good if the names etc, are used everytime. It looks cluttered then.

Which also brings me to the use of the comma. I live in a part of the world where we are tought not to use comma over and over again. It is the same here so overuse of this will also be removed when noticed. :) Then there is also an order in which one add information. You added a bug on the Conjurer article, I moved it above Appearances. If you are unsure read through the linked pages. :) EbonySkyrim (talk) 11:21, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Thank you Edit

No problems mate ;) WFLΛSH (My cave) 17:11, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Characters by Class category Edit

Hi, thank you for the edits as of late, I appreciate your interest in the wiki. It's also nice to see someone who's been around since 2009 poke their head in here again! I just wanted to inform you that a few of the categories you created today centered around classifying NPCs by their class have been deleted from the wiki. This was done in accordance with a Consensus Track decision made in 2015, which stated that categories about NPC classes were not necessary (this was upheld in 2018). Although this information is valuable to document on NPC articles, we have traditionally not considered NPC class significant enough to warrant full categorization. The closest we get is Category:Characters by Service or Category:Online: Characters by Occupation, but neither of these are actually NPC classes in and of themselves. So please be mindful of this in the future. I'm right here if you have any questions, so if you'd like to chat about something, feel free to leave me a message! —Atvelonis (talk) 00:58, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

Tone and edits Edit

Hi Anarchangel, while I appreciate the steadfastness and attention to detail that your recent messages exhibit, I must make a few requests of you. First and foremost, you are not going to get anywhere by adding messages to the staff on your own profile. We are not directly notified of users' profile edits and are unlikely to see them. If we are not aware of an issue about an article, a disagreement about an edit, a problem with categorization, etc., it is not possible for us to fix it. It is also worth noting that the wiki receives edits numbering in the hundreds or sometimes thousands each day; we are occasionally rushed to patrol edits and may make errors as a result. I expect that we will promote an additional patroller or two by year's end, which should diminish this issue, but it will never be completely avoidable.

If you would like to reach out about an edit that you believe was unfairly reverted, please contact the user who reverted it. It is quite possible that, upon further reflection, they may change their mind. If you do not feel comfortable speaking to them directly, you are welcome to message myself or another administrator instead. You can be certain that staff will see messages sent to their talk pages. Some of us maintain a presence on the wiki's Discord server, which you are invited to join at your convenience. You may receive a more speedy answer by pinging us on there. I can guarantee you that you will receive absolutely no admonishment for leaving such messages, as long as they are civil. In my tenure here, I have always encouraged users to provide constructive criticism and feedback and to fairly question decisions that staff make. Our word is not necessarily immutable, and we are certainly not all-knowing. (If you can believe it, we are actually pretty normal people!)

There is no reason to be aggressive on the wiki, which is a tone that a few of your comments appear to hold. TESWiki is fundamentally an encyclopedia; a place of learning and knowledge-sharing. The staff is comprised of volunteers, and it would be impossible to run the place without them. If you can avoid any sort of hostility in edit summaries, profile contents, etc., that would be appreciated. It can be frustrating to have your edits changed/reverted, but as editors become more acclimated to each other's stylistic preferences, this naturally tends to happen less as time goes on. Anyway, I would like to respond to a couple of the pieces of feedback that you left on your profile, while I have a free moment.

  1. Revealing the Unseen (Skyrim) – This is not Rupuzioks' personal opinion; we generally try not to document glitches, particularly complex ones, because they are often difficult to consistently replicate. Similarly, we do not usually provide instructions such as "you can use the console command tcl to access this chest." While that is still an applicable "gameplay preference," it is not really intended behavior, so it would usually only be provided if the chest is otherwise inaccessible. These things both fall under the same general banner of "only if necessary."
  2. Enchanting (Blades) – Links are indeed the lifeblood of the wiki, but we have a policy on overlinking as well. This states that linking to a given article more than once on the same page is excessive, unless it is a relatively long one, in which case additional links are not strictly unnecessary. This is standard practice on most wikis. The link that was removed doesn't have a particular reason to be there, seeing as the Enchanter's Tower is linked in the lede, which is immediately above the table. Any reader who sees the table link would see the link in the lede, so it is redundant to link it twice.
  3. Weapons (Skyrim) – I suspect this edit was reverted because of your use of the {{Skyrim}} template prior to the bolded pagename in the lede, which is not typically done (although this is not codified in policy, I agree that it is stylistically best to keep the bolded pagename as close to the beginning of the lede as possible). I think your sentence is somewhat more fluid than the original one, but I'm sure you can recognize that not everyone would consider the original a "garbage sentence." Rupuzioks evidently thought that your rewording was not an improvement. It is important not to completely invalidate other people's opinions on here, to the extent that this is possible, so please make an effort to be understanding.
  4. Categories – I am uncertain what the issues with Category:Rings and Category:Jewelry are. These are not content articles and as a result do not contain much information about the subject matter itself; that is left to articles in the mainspace such as Rings and Jewelry. Categories primarily exist for organizational purposes. Wikia has recently made some changes to the search engine optimization of the category namespace, and with their new structure, we are encouraged to write more expansive ledes for these pages (my colleague FishTank has an excellent blog on this here). However, because TESWiki already ranks highly in search results, this is not our first priority right now. You are more than welcome to expand these ledes yourself, of course.

Please refrain from referring to users or staff on the wiki as "Rumplestiltskins," "wikifuhrers," "bean counters," or "evildoers." The allusion to Nazi Germany in particular is extremely inappropriate. I have been doing this for too long to take personal offense to simplistic insults, but the community also contains members of the Jewish faith and the German nationality; comments of this nature may make them feel excluded or targeted, which is not desirable. It would be best for you to use more neutral language.

P.S. this wiki has always been called "The Elder Scrolls Wiki," and was not just about Morrowind in the past. I am not actually sure if we have merged with a Morrowind Wiki per se (at least not directly?), although I know that we merged with the OblivioWiki and Skyrim Wiki in 2011, among others. I have more information about the wiki's history documented here, if you are curious.

Please contact me if you have any questions, comments, or concerns. Several methods of doing so are listed on my profile, both public and private. Your input is valued and your communication important. Thank you. —Atvelonis (talk) 00:18, August 27, 2019 (UTC)

I’m going to jump in and say my part. If this seems redundant, my apologies. As Atvelonis pointed out, your interest in this is greatly appreciated. We all understand that it can be frustrating when our edits get reverted or changed. As you know, even contributions by staff may need to be reverted or changed sometimes for one reason or another. We aren’t perfect. You also have to understand, we are very understaffed at the moment. We have two active admins and one active patroller who may have to have look over a large amount of edits on some days, as has been the case lately. We will miss something, make mistakes, and/or may act out of frustration. I can’t say I’m not guilty of any of that. We are human after all. We also have lives outside the wiki as well. We are in need of more knowledgeable and experienced contributors. You obviously have knowledge and years of experience that could be very beneficial to this wiki. Talking trash about us though, will not help anyone. Please take our advice to heart, especially Atvelonis’. He knows this wiki probably better than anyone else, as he is the longest serving staff member. Cheers The Cat Master (talk) 05:07, August 27, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Weapons (Skyrim) Edit

"The paragraph is discussing the array of weapons compared to previous titles as a whole. The addition of crossbows is the ONLY difference. I added this fact, and it has since been removed three times. Take your victory, tag team, but mind this; respect can be earned, but it can also be forever lost. VvAnarchangelvV 00:36, August 27, 2019 (UTC)"

Hi, thanks for the message. Per my edit summary here, the information you added has not in fact been removed. It is still in the lede, just a little farther down. There was already a section there on the page about weapons added with the Dawnguard DLC, but the crossbow was not mentioned. Due to the DLC distinction, I decided that would be a more fitting place to include it than the first sentence, and moved it. I think it would not be necessary to repeat this information in such close proximity.

"There are dozens of different types, ranging from iron at the lowest level and Daedric weapons at the highest. With the addition of The Elder Scrolls V: Dawnguard, dragonbone weapons, which are stronger than Daedric weapons, can be obtained, as can the crossbow."

It is also not really constructive to view wiki editing as a series of victories/losses to tally up. This is not a community where we place much value in such things. Because our purpose here has more to do with expanding and maintaining the encyclopedia than it does building up a reputation for oneself (as in traditional social media), we generally aim to make decisions based on consensus. —Atvelonis (talk) 03:05, August 27, 2019 (UTC)

Apparently Crossbow was in Morrowind, and it wasn't in Skyrim proper either. I thought it had not been in Morrowind, and not in Oblivion, and then appeared in Skyrim. Talking about a wide range of Skyrim's weapons without mentioning them seemed wrong to me. I am not really surprised I didn't remember them in Morrowind, since there are only two. What with that, and not being in Skyrim proper, but only the expansion, I withdraw my argument. VvAnarchangelvV (talk) 03:44, August 27, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Stalking Edit

Hello, your message is not clear to me, though I saw the discussion about the edits on your and other talk pages. I think everything is explained there, as for my answer, I'm following the newest "style and formatting" of the wiki. If there are still some misunderstandings you are welcome to discuss it, or simply propose a change in the Moot. --Rupuzioks (talk) 13:42, August 27, 2019 (UTC)

It should be, I'm sure you did. That is someone else's answer about someone else's edits, and no, you're not, unless the goal of "style and formatting" is to eliminate the community's ideas (Battle of Red Mountain). It wouldn't do any good. VvAnarchangelvV (talk) 19:34, August 27, 2019 (UTC)
VvA, it's not just you, they do that for all non-patrollers/admins (there's a list of all new edits somewhere that they feel they need to sign off on). I can see why you'd be upset, I'm not a fan of it either. There's been a habit of doing that to people, and it pushes contributors away. It's sad, honestly --Shockstorm (talk) 21:32, August 27, 2019 (UTC)
Hello again friends, I really don't have a lot of time right now, but in the context of the edit provided above, I would refer you to the wiki's policies on sourcing and attribution. They state very clearly that the wiki is not a place for fan speculation. We are slightly less uptight about sourcing unlicensed material than, say, the UESP, but generally speaking you should not be adding anything that contains the words "fans" or "opinions."
"TESWiki is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of original thought. The threshold for inclusion in TESWiki is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true. TESWiki is not the place to publish your opinions, experiences, or arguments."
To clarify, by "experiences" it means "anecdotes." The wiki obviously includes records of events that have been recorded by players in-game. This is different from speculation in that it records information that is verifiable and traceable, and is not original. i.e. it is possible to replicate and is as close to "objective" as we can get in a series as ambiguous as The Elder Scrolls.
Anarchangel, we are not "stalking" you, although I recognize why it may feel that way. We manually review each and every edit made to the wiki using a built-in tool called Recent Changes (as with every other wiki out there). Several of your edits were not quite in accordance with the wiki's policies or style guidelines, so they were corrected. It's not personal. If you would like to speak about this in private more candidly, you are welcome to reach out to me on Discord (Atvelonis#9495) or through email (teswikiatvelonis@gmail.com). —Atvelonis (talk) 03:33, August 28, 2019 (UTC)
Hello, there was no point for me to write the same sentences about those earlier edits you asked, as for the speculation one, it is again explained before me. The community ideas, theories, rumors should be and are always welcome on the discussions, forums and blogs. There is even fanon elder scrolls wikia, iirc. But at least this wikia is not a social media, but an encyclopedia. Despite all this, there are always some exceptions which should be discussed with the community first.
Also we have lives IRL and it is top priority, so there will always be some delay to answer the questions. --Rupuzioks (talk) 13:51, August 28, 2019 (UTC)
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